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| 00:14.43 | Mr_Molez | yeh |
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| 00:53.06 | JeffM2501 | any more progress on the php problems? |
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| 01:10.19 | [dmp] | the result returned by listserver seems to be sorted by servername. Woundnt it be better to it by player count - like the client? This might make "find servers" more calm while it loads.. and the popular servers are the first you receive.. |
| 01:11.56 | Mr_Molez | They are trying to fix the lag before they start silly stuff like that |
| 01:12.35 | JeffM2501 | we are trying to move the server before we fix the "lag" |
| 01:12.42 | Mr_Molez | that too |
| 01:13.06 | Mr_Molez | although if you think about it, the two could go together :) |
| 01:13.19 | Mr_Molez | fix "lag"/ server change :) |
| 01:14.04 | blast007 | Mr_Molez: the "lag" wasn't caused by the server |
| 01:14.12 | blast007 | any server would have had similar issues |
| 01:14.40 | Mr_Molez | wasnt caused by the server eh ? |
| 01:14.47 | Mr_Molez | well it aint caused by everyones client :) |
| 01:14.53 | Mr_Molez | duh |
| 01:14.55 | blast007 | actually, it was |
| 01:14.57 | blast007 | :P |
| 01:14.58 | L4m3r | lol |
| 01:14.59 | Mr_Molez | nope |
| 01:15.30 | blast007 | by 'server' I was referring to the list server |
| 01:15.40 | Mr_Molez | yup |
| 01:15.50 | blast007 | the bzfs server was slowing down the list server by keeping a connection open |
| 01:15.57 | Mr_Molez | and you are also talking about it taking 20 seconds to load right ? |
| 01:16.09 | Mr_Molez | that is still the servers problem |
| 01:16.16 | Mr_Molez | no matter how you twist it |
| 01:16.22 | [dmp] | isnt listserver php/mysql based? or is the data not normalized? |
| 01:16.30 | blast007 | it's mysql |
| 01:16.49 | blast007 | Mr_Molez: the problem was how the cURL library was connecting to the list |
| 01:17.20 | Mr_Molez | server problem :) |
| 01:17.25 | Mr_Molez | so u finally figured out what it is ? |
| 01:18.00 | brad2901 | http://my.bzflag.bz/playersearch.php?callsign=brad -- doesn't work |
| 01:18.07 | blast007 | also, we might have fixed the problem slightly by modifing the list server code |
| 01:18.55 | Mr_Molez | so let me get this right, you can alter the server code to fix it, yet it isnt a server problem :) ? |
| 01:19.09 | blast007 | ... |
| 01:19.17 | blast007 | the list server is NOT a server |
| 01:19.21 | blast007 | it is simple a list |
| 01:19.28 | blast007 | simply* |
| 01:19.32 | blast007 | that is run ON a server |
| 01:19.34 | Mr_Molez | anything a client can connect to is a server |
| 01:19.42 | blast007 | so no, it's not a server problem |
| 01:19.47 | blast007 | right, so you're wrong |
| 01:19.51 | blast007 | the list isn't connected to |
| 01:19.53 | Mr_Molez | no your wrong |
| 01:19.54 | blast007 | apache is :) |
| 01:20.02 | Mr_Molez | lol twisting things :) |
| 01:21.17 | blast007 | what I'm saying, is that the computer the list is on isn't the issue |
| 01:21.34 | Mr_Molez | I never said it was |
| 01:21.34 | blast007 | the stray connections were caused by bzflag |
| 01:21.50 | Mr_Molez | yeh i saw people talking about that the other day |
| 01:21.54 | blast007 | 20:13:09 < Mr_Molez> although if you think about it, the two could go together :) |
| 01:21.56 | Mr_Molez | but i still class the server list as a server |
| 01:21.57 | blast007 | 20:13:23 < Mr_Molez> fix "lag"/ server change :) |
| 01:22.14 | blast007 | it's not :) |
| 01:22.18 | blast007 | it's just text that we read |
| 01:22.19 | Mr_Molez | blast007: so your saying if you restart the server it would still be slow ? |
| 01:22.35 | blast007 | when did I say that? |
| 01:22.56 | Mr_Molez | well a new server would mean no stray connections |
| 01:22.59 | Mr_Molez | which means no lag |
| 01:23.02 | blast007 | no |
| 01:23.06 | Mr_Molez | for a short while anyway |
| 01:23.31 | [dmp] | is listserver-code / s.b.o in cvs? |
| 01:23.32 | blast007 | you're saying two different things |
| 01:23.47 | blast007 | [dmp]: yeah, I think it's the 'db' module |
| 01:23.54 | [dmp] | blast007: both of them? |
| 01:24.01 | blast007 | yup |
| 01:31.32 | [dmp] | hurrah for register_globals :) |
| 01:33.26 | blast007 | [dmp]: hehe, the stats code can use some improvments |
| 01:34.08 | [dmp] | blast007: is it possible to get some data to populate the database with? (for testing) |
| 01:34.19 | blast007 | there is an update script in there |
| 01:34.21 | blast007 | in perl |
| 01:34.28 | blast007 | it will query all the servers |
| 01:34.39 | blast007 | just need to configure the script for you database |
| 01:34.48 | blast007 | and I think there is an sql structure dump in there |
| 01:34.57 | [dmp] | there is |
| 01:35.03 | blast007 | k |
| 01:39.47 | blast007 | the code might not be up to date, since anon is out of sync, and there was a commit in the last day or two |
| 01:40.16 | blast007 | several things were not in CVS that were on the server |
| 01:44.07 | im_fine_u | hello |
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| 01:51.05 | Nidhoggr | well, I made enough money to buy a new server. I just need to deal with the broken one first. |
| 01:52.20 | Nidhoggr | any idea when the transition from my box for the services will be done? |
| 01:53.46 | im_fine_u | ;) |
| 01:54.41 | orange | Nidhoggr: what's broken on the first box? |
| 01:55.03 | Nidhoggr | bad motherboard. new one on order, but I can't wait until wednesday to replace it. |
| 01:55.30 | orange | yuck |
| 01:55.45 | Nidhoggr | this kind of pushes the idea that we need redundance |
| 01:55.56 | orange | this is the SP server/list server? |
| 01:56.00 | Nidhoggr | no |
| 01:56.13 | Nidhoggr | I need the sp/list server hardware to repair my main box. |
| 01:56.18 | orange | ah, gotcha |
| 01:56.43 | im_fine_u | ya |
| 01:57.24 | orange | Nidhoggr: gotta do what ya gotta do |
| 01:57.44 | im_fine_u{TEKNET | Telnet |
| 01:57.51 | Nidhoggr | my second main box was starting to have problems as well, but I didn't expect this box to die all of a sudden (bad capacitors) |
| 01:58.02 | orange | wow, how old? |
| 01:58.19 | Nidhoggr | this is a supermicro 1U server P3 1Ghz. |
| 01:58.26 | im_fine_u | BAN :Nidhoggr |
| 01:58.28 | im_fine_u | ya |
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| 01:58.32 | Nidhoggr | about 7 years old. |
| 01:58.43 | Nidhoggr | errr maybe 6 |
| 01:58.46 | orange | that's not old enough to start dying |
| 01:58.53 | orange | unless maybe the data center is too hot or something |
| 01:58.57 | Nidhoggr | the capacitors are the issue. |
| 01:59.13 | Nidhoggr | it was starting to get a bit warmer than usual. I need to complain about it. |
| 01:59.39 | L4m3r | water-cool your caps :D |
| 01:59.48 | blast007 | hehe |
| 01:59.57 | L4m3r | or just use immersive cooling for the whole mess |
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| 02:00.18 | orange | what was all that im fine u stuff about? |
| 02:00.30 | orange | he's the one who was being... uh, not nice, the other day |
| 02:00.30 | Nidhoggr | just someone who needs a boot. |
| 02:00.31 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 02:00.58 | Nidhoggr | I don't have the same access level on the channel that I used to, or I'd have booted him. |
| 02:01.23 | CBG | ditto. |
| 02:03.37 | Nidhoggr | I have to attend to some holiday stuff. I'll be back later. |
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| 02:17.36 | spldart_bzflagin | growl snarl... |
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| 02:26.48 | spldart | Hypothetical situation... You serve bzflag on 5154... your ip finds it and blocks, you change to port 5000, then they block, you play this cat and mouse game for a while and they chase you around ports and block... Then you go through the 'unrealistic' move of serving on port 80.... do they block 80 and eliminate any use of your connection or do they terminate your connection altogether at that point.. Assuming they are more interested |
| 02:27.27 | spldart | And n |
| 02:27.44 | spldart | NO!! I'm not playing this hypothetical game... just a question |
| 02:28.05 | blast007 | spldart: if that was the case, a person should stop after the first port is blocked |
| 02:28.20 | Aribeth | indeed |
| 02:28.24 | spldart | I've always served 1.10.8 on 5152, 2.0.5/6 on 5154 and 2.1.experiment on 5155 |
| 02:28.41 | spldart | Oh.. I understand that..... |
| 02:29.13 | Aribeth | who is blocking the ports on you? |
| 02:29.13 | bryjen | besides, they'd be blocking inbound to destination port 80, which would not stop your outboubd web-browsing packets |
| 02:29.13 | spldart | But assume a greedy provider cashing in on a customer who is paying 120 a month for 2 cable lines into his house |
| 02:29.29 | spldart | I'm not getting blocked.. it's hypothetical |
| 02:29.34 | Aribeth | oh |
| 02:29.52 | bryjen | your hypothesis is flawed |
| 02:30.10 | spldart | I thought so.. but my understanding is limited on this... thus the query |
| 02:30.37 | spldart | so they could keep me from serving on 80 but still allow me to surf on 80? |
| 02:30.52 | blast007 | if the ISP is doing that, it means they don't allow hosting servers (or at least game-servers), and it would be a violation of the user agreement, and they would have the right to either temporarily disable the account, or cancel the account altogether |
| 02:31.00 | Aribeth | a dedicated server would be cheaper |
| 02:31.32 | bryjen | yes. they could already be blocking port 80 to keep you from running a web server which is probably also outside thier AUP |
| 02:31.50 | spldart | No... I understand that Blast...:) But assume a greedy company who doesn't want to lose bux... Say 1400 a month... so they didn't want to have to discontinue service |
| 02:31.58 | spldart | Do they have another option? |
| 02:32.24 | blast007 | $1400 a month? |
| 02:32.26 | spldart | ok... |
| 02:32.39 | blast007 | like a T3 or something? |
| 02:32.40 | bryjen | if greed is their motive, they'd want to charge you more for the priveledge of hosting |
| 02:33.03 | spldart | Well... Assume.. customer is basic cable, digital cable, phone cable, high speed cable.. has two dedicated lines to a singe residence |
| 02:33.05 | spldart | :) |
| 02:33.32 | blast007 | then why would that be $1400 a month? |
| 02:33.43 | spldart | I'm part of the hypothetical situation... but no... they are not blocking me no have they ever |
| 02:33.47 | spldart | 1400 a year |
| 02:33.51 | spldart | sorry if I wasn't clear |
| 02:33.54 | blast007 | I'm just not sure where you are going with this |
| 02:34.21 | blast007 | if it was against the rules, and they are wasting bandwidth, it would be more cost effective for them to cancel the account |
| 02:34.30 | blast007 | bandwidth isn't free |
| 02:35.01 | spldart | Just curious if it's more likely they would kiss the money good-bye if some customer were to go that far... assuming they are greedy... or chase me around (assumming that was the case) |
| 02:35.06 | blast007 | the bandwidth is shared with other customers, so if it is abused, it can reduce the performance of other customers, which could cause a loss of sales |
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| 02:35.16 | spldart | No.. Bandwidth isn't free.. obviously |
| 02:35.40 | blast007 | really, if they don't allow servers, don't run them...that's the bottom line :) |
| 02:35.41 | spldart | And like I said.... this isn't me |
| 02:35.56 | blast007 | if you don't run them, you have nothing to worry about in this situation |
| 02:36.20 | spldart | And I recently paid to upgrade bandwidth but that's outside the hypothetical situation |
| 02:36.29 | RPG_ | can somebody check out my makefile for racetoseven? |
| 02:37.08 | bryjen | and telecoms companies are often a geographicaly monopoly. they're used to saying "our way or nothing" |
| 02:37.33 | spldart | Anywho... sorry.... It was just a hypothetical situation query for anyone who had any experience with such a thing... |
| 02:37.44 | spldart | We have 3 altern's here for high speed |
| 02:38.02 | spldart | so there is some competition.. not total monopoly |
| 02:38.16 | bryjen | it is getting better, but that's where they're coming from |
| 02:38.56 | L4m3r | generally it's a monopoly even if there are multiple companies, because one giant owns all the lines. ;) |
| 02:39.06 | blast007 | yup :) |
| 02:39.15 | spldart | Well....Kiss would be they can block 80 serve and you can still browse high speed right? |
| 02:39.30 | spldart | ah |
| 02:39.31 | spldart | well |
| 02:39.34 | blast007 | depends if they even want to deal with it |
| 02:39.53 | blast007 | hard to say what they would do in that situation |
| 02:39.56 | bryjen | yes, the can block the inbound and outbound seperately |
| 02:40.10 | blast007 | each has their own policies, and some would just disable the whole account if it was abused |
| 02:40.26 | spldart | Well... Time Warner Road Runner owns cable, Alltel/City owns are tele and then the dish high speed are all availabe |
| 02:40.34 | blast007 | ick, dish |
| 02:40.41 | spldart | In my hypothetical situation |
| 02:40.49 | blast007 | they're not really competition ;) |
| 02:41.08 | spldart | But this is SWIM ;-) |
| 02:42.19 | spldart | Anywho... Thanks for the feedback on a truly hypothetical situation. I have not been blocked nor violated rules in my particular service :) |
| 02:43.35 | RPG_ | at http://garrettp.homeip.net:81/WTF/racetoseven.zip , there is a defective makefile. I'm sure it would like to be cleaned up, fixed by some willing helper. Without help, it will just sit in the web server and rot. Please help the makefile. |
| 02:44.08 | spldart | Hrm... Can of worms if the decided to disable ports to block all of one or more types of P2P clients 8-0 |
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| 02:46.37 | RPG_ | Hey, JeffM2501, can you help my makefile? |
| 02:47.13 | JeffM2501 | huhwhat? |
| 02:47.22 | blast007 | throw a rope it, the makefile is drowning! |
| 02:47.24 | blast007 | in* |
| 02:47.34 | RPG_ | at http://garrettp.homeip.net:81/WTF/racetoseven.zip , there is a |
| 02:47.34 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.34 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.34 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.57 | JeffM2501 | just make it like the other plugin makefiles |
| 02:47.57 | RPG_ | here's the error: |
| 02:47.59 | RPG_ | /bzfs/versions/2.0.6/bin/bzfs: symbol lookup error: |
| 02:47.59 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.00 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.09 | RPG_ | it works great on windows |
| 02:48.18 | JeffM2501 | did you include your own verison of tokenize? |
| 02:48.23 | RPG_ | yes |
| 02:48.27 | JeffM2501 | is it named the same? |
| 02:49.04 | RPG_ | the function name is and it takes the same paramets, but the guts of toenize are no longer in TextUtils.cpp, i made tokenize.cpp in the racetoseven directory with only the tokenize function. |
| 02:49.43 | JeffM2501 | is it the same name? |
| 02:49.43 | spldart | nighty night |
| 02:49.46 | JeffM2501 | that's all that maters |
| 02:49.57 | JeffM2501 | yes or no? |
| 02:49.59 | RPG_ | yes |
| 02:50.05 | JeffM2501 | that is your problem |
| 02:50.06 | JeffM2501 | rename it |
| 02:50.14 | RPG_ | ok |
| 02:50.16 | JeffM2501 | it's conficting with the one in BZ |
| 02:50.22 | JeffM2501 | cus they have the same name and same params |
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| 03:06.04 | I_Died_Once | is there a .deb of 2.0.6 availabel somewhere? |
| 03:07.36 | trepan | prolly not |
| 03:08.01 | RPG_ | i compiled BZ on ubuntu with default packages, I_Died_Once , you shouldn't have a problem |
| 03:08.14 | blast007 | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/bzflag |
| 03:11.08 | a-delusionbz | Uh Oh there an i386 build there |
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| 03:21.02 | a-delusionbz | Thanks for the help on racetoseven, jeff, I know your busy right now. |
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| 05:17.33 | JeffM2501 | busy? |
| 05:17.39 | JeffM2501 | I'm reading comic books :) |
| 05:18.01 | menotume | important stuff |
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| 13:31.24 | menotume | Happy Halloween everyone ! |
| 13:31.59 | menotume | oh wait, that's not right ... Happy Thanksgiving ! |
| 13:39.39 | a_temp_dist | http://www.peepresearch.org/solubility.html |
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| 13:57.52 | CBG | menotume: merry christmas dude. |
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| 16:20.30 | Nidhoggr | hi bryjen |
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| 16:21.35 | bryjen | hello |
| 16:21.46 | JeffM2501 | sup |
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| 16:29.50 | Mr_Molez | :P |
| 16:32.23 | Nidhoggr | hi JeffM2501 |
| 16:32.40 | Nidhoggr | we almost have enough money to get a whole new server for bzflag. |
| 16:32.52 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 16:33.09 | JeffM2501 | I've still got no word back from Tim |
| 16:33.18 | JeffM2501 | do we still need to move? |
| 16:33.25 | JeffM2501 | and how close are you? |
| 16:34.29 | Nidhoggr | let me look at the math. what I am looking for is http://www.colomachine.com/Product/1U%20Colocation%20Servers/CM56C/CM56C-1U.htm |
| 16:34.53 | JeffM2501 | it's no biggie for us to move |
| 16:35.17 | Nidhoggr | it's 699 plus 25 for rear rack mounts and about 30 for shipping. |
| 16:35.32 | JeffM2501 | we just need tim to.. you know... show up.... |
| 16:35.34 | Nidhoggr | well, I think the problem is going to be getting Tim to make the changes. |
| 16:35.45 | Nidhoggr | he is always resistant even in the best of times. |
| 16:35.52 | JeffM2501 | he'll do it as soon as he shows up |
| 16:36.02 | JeffM2501 | I think he'll be fine with moving |
| 16:36.10 | JeffM2501 | we had talked about it before and he was fine |
| 16:36.21 | Nidhoggr | the new bz machine will be twice as fast with twice the RAM. |
| 16:36.38 | JeffM2501 | he was even "suposed" to be around for us to move images.bzflag.org this weekend, before you had the prolem |
| 16:36.44 | Mr_Molez | I thought you found out why the lag was being caused why not fix that instead of wasting tim and money no a new server ? |
| 16:36.44 | Nidhoggr | but I'd rather use it for backup type stuff. |
| 16:36.53 | Mr_Molez | time* |
| 16:37.01 | Nidhoggr | Mr_Molez: this has nothing to do with the lag. |
| 16:37.08 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, yeah |
| 16:37.09 | Mr_Molez | oh |
| 16:37.19 | JeffM2501 | the move is cus nid needs the server for other stuff |
| 16:37.20 | Nidhoggr | it has to do with a server that I was making money on died. I have to use my bzflag server hardware to replace it. |
| 16:37.45 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, I'm not sure what brlcads machine is, but I think it's decent |
| 16:37.53 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure he'll be happy to host it |
| 16:38.06 | JeffM2501 | then you can use the money to keep your other servers up |
| 16:38.08 | Nidhoggr | we also need to fix the bug that makes stuff not close correctly. |
| 16:38.18 | JeffM2501 | tim did some stuff on that and it's helping |
| 16:38.19 | JeffM2501 | a lot |
| 16:38.25 | JeffM2501 | he made apache close stuff it'self |
| 16:38.29 | Nidhoggr | well, it's not helping the load on the server much. |
| 16:38.42 | JeffM2501 | and we have fixed the bug in game, we just have to release |
| 16:38.48 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 16:39.01 | JeffM2501 | brlcad has his server set up to restart apache every hour |
| 16:39.11 | Nidhoggr | heh |
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| 16:41.00 | Nidhoggr | yeah... to get the new server, I'd need to raise about another $200. |
| 16:41.11 | JeffM2501 | it'd be cool to have a server just for it, but I don't think we need to throw money at it, or you over exetnd yourself |
| 16:41.14 | Nidhoggr | which I should be able to do |
| 16:41.41 | Nidhoggr | well, I've decided that the current server hardware is lame. |
| 16:42.05 | Nidhoggr | so I am going to eventually make that hardware my primary nameserver, and use the new incoming server to do bzflag. |
| 16:43.42 | JeffM2501 | how much do you pay per rack unit? |
| 16:43.57 | Nidhoggr | I don't pay by rack unit. I charge by rack unit. |
| 16:44.06 | Nidhoggr | I pay for the whole 1/3 rack |
| 16:44.08 | JeffM2501 | they give you free slots? |
| 16:44.10 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 16:44.15 | Nidhoggr | it's cheaper. |
| 16:44.17 | JeffM2501 | how many empties do you have? |
| 16:44.33 | Nidhoggr | I think I have 3 or 4 unclaimed slots. |
| 16:44.49 | JeffM2501 | decent chunk of unused income there |
| 16:44.53 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:45.02 | Nidhoggr | I am getting a new customer next month. |
| 16:45.18 | Nidhoggr | which will completely pay my monthly bill. |
| 16:45.26 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 16:45.32 | Mr_Molez | Nidhoggr: you rent out servers ? |
| 16:46.52 | Nidhoggr | I rent out server space. |
| 16:47.06 | Mr_Molez | oh |
| 16:47.22 | Nidhoggr | people send me a server, and I put it in my rack in a very fast datacenter. |
| 16:47.36 | Mr_Molez | how much ? |
| 16:48.49 | Nidhoggr | $60 for the rack space and $40/300GB transfer/mo so it runs $100 for a 1RU server a month minimum. |
| 16:49.02 | Nidhoggr | it's $60 per rack unit. |
| 16:49.06 | Mr_Molez | wow |
| 16:49.21 | JeffM2501 | that is rather comptetitive |
| 16:49.32 | Nidhoggr | it's one of the better prices around, really. |
| 16:49.42 | Mr_Molez | i pay less than half of that for my server |
| 16:49.50 | JeffM2501 | we pay 150 for 2 RUs, and I think 100 for 500megs transfter |
| 16:49.58 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, are you shared hosting? |
| 16:50.05 | Mr_Molez | no deddy |
| 16:50.12 | JeffM2501 | your hardware? |
| 16:50.18 | Mr_Molez | p 4 1.6 512ram |
| 16:50.30 | Mr_Molez | 20gb hdd |
| 16:50.42 | Nidhoggr | we don't rent hardware at all. |
| 16:51.07 | JeffM2501 | did you do the install of the OS and stuff or was it all set up? |
| 16:51.09 | Nidhoggr | we rent space and support. |
| 16:51.15 | Mr_Molez | i had to do the install |
| 16:51.30 | JeffM2501 | then your probably getting a realy good deal |
| 16:51.38 | Mr_Molez | 1000gb tansfer per month |
| 16:51.46 | Mr_Molez | on a 5gb port |
| 16:52.41 | Nidhoggr | I know cheaper places, but I happen to know what they stick a lot of machines on a single 1gb connection. |
| 16:53.05 | Nidhoggr | one of them exists in the same datacenter I am in. |
| 16:54.26 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 16:56.23 | Nidhoggr | up until recently, they were putting over 200 servers on a single 100mbps connection. |
| 16:56.44 | Mr_Molez | wow |
| 16:56.49 | Mr_Molez | what have they limited it to now ? |
| 16:57.22 | Nidhoggr | okie. JeffM2501 can you email me when things get switched over. I still have my Order address working. frcameron@sacredcup.org |
| 16:57.26 | Nidhoggr | 1gb |
| 16:57.47 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 16:57.51 | Nidhoggr | we'll wait a few hours then go switch the drives. |
| 16:58.08 | Nidhoggr | thanks a bunch. I need to get ready for our Easter stuff. |
| 16:58.19 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 16:58.33 | JeffM2501 | I hope tim gets his ass here soon |
| 16:59.04 | Mr_Molez | bet he wont :) |
| 16:59.18 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 17:01.40 | Deepa | umm... |
| 17:01.55 | Deepa | JeffM2501: what are you going to do with his ass as soon as it comes here? |
| 17:01.57 | Deepa | or wait |
| 17:01.59 | Deepa | i dont want to know |
| 17:02.13 | JeffM2501 | make it move DNS records :) |
| 17:02.22 | JeffM2501 | I do't know why but that's how he does em |
| 17:11.23 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/README: inital bracnh |
| 17:13.32 | Deepa | o0 |
| 17:14.15 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/README: wrong tag :) |
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| 17:18.42 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/README: try this again. |
| 17:18.47 | JeffM2501 | there we go |
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| 17:24.52 | Deepa | so what does CIA-6 do? |
| 17:25.02 | JeffM2501 | announces commits |
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| 17:25.16 | Deepa | oic |
| 17:25.28 | Deepa | how does one get one? |
| 17:25.33 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (788 files in 24 dirs): get crazy with the cheese whiz |
| 17:25.39 | Deepa | XD |
| 17:25.48 | JeffM2501 | http://cia.navi.cx/ |
| 17:26.25 | Deepa | addint projects i guess |
| 17:26.48 | Deepa | adding* |
| 17:26.50 | JeffM2501 | there are a number of thigns you have to do to set it up |
| 17:26.59 | Deepa | yea i guess :P |
| 17:27.00 | JeffM2501 | there are readmes and stuff |
| 17:27.31 | JeffM2501 | what project did you want to add it for? |
| 17:27.43 | Deepa | my own linux distro :> |
| 17:27.49 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 17:28.29 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (49 files in 18 dirs): get crazy with the cheese whiz part two |
| 17:28.41 | JeffM2501 | DAMNIT |
| 17:28.50 | JeffM2501 | why does it keep puting it in freaking HEAD |
| 17:29.57 | Deepa | no ide a:P |
| 17:29.58 | Deepa | idea* |
| 17:30.50 | JeffM2501 | screw it. it's going in it's own repo |
| 17:33.17 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/date/buildDate.cxx: put the candle back... |
| 17:35.17 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (775 files in 19 dirs): put the candle back... |
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| 17:36.15 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (51 files in 20 dirs): put the candle back... |
| 17:36.42 | bryjen | eep |
| 17:36.53 | JeffM2501 | god I hope I got all those files back right |
| 17:36.57 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/config.h: put the candle back... |
| 17:37.22 | JeffM2501 | that was one of my more monsrorus screwups |
| 17:38.01 | bryjen | isn't there a way to tell it to roll-back a commit? |
| 17:38.09 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 17:38.15 | JeffM2501 | but I don't know it :) |
| 17:38.23 | bryjen | instead of re-committing the old over the bad new |
| 17:38.25 | JeffM2501 | if I did it wrong, then we can just roll back to before |
| 17:38.52 | JeffM2501 | if you know how to do it, have at it :) |
| 17:39.03 | Deepa | JeffM2501: whats openwombat? |
| 17:39.05 | Deepa | combat* |
| 17:39.13 | JeffM2501 | mortal wombat!!! |
| 17:39.14 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 17:39.17 | JeffM2501 | it was a thing |
| 17:39.20 | bryjen | nope. and i'm not sure i'd touch it if i did ;) |
| 17:39.42 | JeffM2501 | hopefully that amount of CVS activitiy will summon the riker tho :) |
| 17:39.45 | Deepa | so what is opencombat? |
| 17:39.52 | JeffM2501 | was ! is |
| 17:40.21 | Deepa | so what was the is in opencombat? |
| 17:40.29 | JeffM2501 | a dead thing |
| 17:40.31 | JeffM2501 | an idead |
| 17:40.34 | JeffM2501 | idea |
| 17:40.37 | Deepa | ouch |
| 17:40.41 | Deepa | those tend to be dangerous |
| 17:40.47 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.50 | Deepa | yea |
| 17:40.54 | JeffM2501 | hardly |
| 17:40.56 | Deepa | they can kill you if you arent careful |
| 17:41.33 | JeffM2501 | anything can kil you if you arn't carefull |
| 17:41.38 | JeffM2501 | even apathy |
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| 17:42.26 | JeffM2501 | well there is one person who would know how to rollback :) |
| 17:46.10 | brlcad | JeffM2501: been upgrading services on .bz so it'll be more responsive (and so the hourly reset can be halted) |
| 17:46.35 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, cool |
| 17:46.41 | JeffM2501 | still no word from tim |
| 17:47.37 | JeffM2501 | I've been screwing up CVS :) |
| 17:48.12 | JeffM2501 | I think I'm geting way better at it |
| 17:48.37 | brlcad | i noticed.. |
| 17:48.44 | brlcad | that's a lot of cheese in my inbox |
| 17:48.59 | JeffM2501 | maybe it'll help summon tim |
| 17:49.04 | JeffM2501 | I was trying to put stuff into a bracnh |
| 17:49.09 | JeffM2501 | but it keept doing head |
| 17:49.48 | brlcad | tagging a branch doesn't make local a branch |
| 17:50.07 | JeffM2501 | it worked for one file |
| 17:50.20 | brlcad | have to update to branch, then make edit |
| 17:50.26 | JeffM2501 | I did that |
| 17:50.32 | JeffM2501 | I made the tag |
| 17:50.35 | JeffM2501 | checked out the tag |
| 17:50.50 | JeffM2501 | copied all my src and inc files over to that new dir |
| 17:50.52 | JeffM2501 | and commited |
| 17:51.22 | JeffM2501 | when I did just the readme it worked |
| 17:51.29 | brlcad | as well as your CVS dirs? :) |
| 17:51.33 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:51.41 | JeffM2501 | the changes were from an export |
| 17:51.51 | JeffM2501 | I had searched for cvs and killed all folders |
| 17:52.08 | JeffM2501 | proibably just wieredness in my cvs client |
| 17:52.15 | JeffM2501 | since it is all clicky |
| 17:52.20 | brlcad | odd, somewhere in there were cvs instructions to do head |
| 17:52.23 | brlcad | yeah prolly |
| 17:55.14 | brlcad | you actually like that style better?? :) |
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| 17:57.41 | brlcad | the tool added all those (silly) ---- comment 'blocks' before method impls I presume .. is that configurable? |
| 17:58.36 | brlcad | if something was going to add comment blocks, one would think they'd add real 'blocks' and provide something like doxygen comment templates |
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| 18:18.02 | bryjen | some quick-and-dirty shell scripting shows around 20 unique hostnames each for public bzfs-es versions 2.0.4, .5 and .6 |
| 18:18.49 | bryjen | plus 15 for .2, 5 for .3, and 3 for .0 |
| 18:19.38 | QuantumBeep | Does that take into account the ungodly number of IP aliases? |
| 18:19.51 | QuantumBeep | I'm hosting like 10 of them myself |
| 18:19.59 | JeffM2501 | so really there are are only like 2 real servers? |
| 18:20.06 | L4m3r | lol |
| 18:20.13 | JeffM2501 | or does that merge like all the no-ip.com ones together? |
| 18:20.46 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to know how many unique IPs |
| 18:20.52 | JeffM2501 | thats how many real servers there are |
| 18:21.23 | bryjen | unique by the whatever shows in the listserver. full hostname or IP address |
| 18:21.37 | QuantumBeep | No, we've been really creative about it. Watch for billclinton.ultimateloveguide.com, quantumbeep.viciousduck.com, and be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be.be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be.be |
| 18:21.50 | QuantumBeep | All pointing to 216.55.160.43 |
| 18:22.12 | QuantumBeep | We don't want to spam the listserv the way Norang does |
| 18:22.33 | JeffM2501 | it's not spam |
| 18:22.35 | L4m3r | well, it's nothing to be worried about. the three (or two?) huge servers all use recent versions of bzfs. |
| 18:22.40 | JeffM2501 | it's poor client side managment |
| 18:22.57 | L4m3r | Jeff: having about twice as many servers per page would help a lot :P |
| 18:23.13 | JeffM2501 | having it sort them into tabs would help |
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| 18:23.20 | L4m3r | possibly. |
| 18:23.28 | JeffM2501 | a flat list isn't well suited for the data |
| 18:23.37 | QuantumBeep | Just having the list not show more than 3 empty games per host would be nice |
| 18:23.39 | JeffM2501 | from a report type view |
| 18:23.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah it should be done as a tree |
| 18:23.54 | JeffM2501 | and tabed |
| 18:24.06 | JeffM2501 | so you can go by size, age, game type, etc.. |
| 18:24.14 | L4m3r | perhaps an "icon" system could be used, and then it could be laid out in a table format |
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| 18:24.26 | JeffM2501 | a table is a fancy list :) |
| 18:24.32 | L4m3r | hover for details, open for a sub-table |
| 18:24.47 | JeffM2501 | the problem is we don't USE the mouse for menus |
| 18:24.55 | JeffM2501 | so that limits what we can do |
| 18:24.59 | L4m3r | yeah, I just realized that. :\ |
| 18:25.04 | JeffM2501 | bzflag has no concept of focus |
| 18:25.15 | JeffM2501 | personaly I want to redo the entire menu system |
| 18:25.19 | bryjen | what's the point in doing multiple dns aliases? you can differentiate the instances with the public description line. |
| 18:25.30 | JeffM2501 | and do a pause on the tank when you go into menu |
| 18:25.32 | L4m3r | I've always wondered... why no mouse in the menu? is it just an OS issue? |
| 18:25.47 | JeffM2501 | no it's just a lot easyer to code using the keys |
| 18:25.48 | L4m3r | Jeff: that would allow insta-pause :P |
| 18:25.50 | QuantumBeep | Because of simply applie psychology. Having the same hostname over and over makes users skip duplicates |
| 18:25.50 | JeffM2501 | it's just lazyness |
| 18:25.56 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, no start a pause |
| 18:26.00 | L4m3r | oh |
| 18:26.01 | JeffM2501 | same countdown |
| 18:26.50 | bryjen | having 100+ empty servers in one long list makes users skip most of them ;) |
| 18:27.17 | QuantumBeep | Yeah... |
| 18:27.27 | L4m3r | I think having some ability to give more info could help, also |
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| 18:27.43 | JeffM2501 | like I say, it all needs to be redone |
| 18:27.43 | QuantumBeep | I'm trying to get all of my users to agree that lots of empty servers is a bad thing, but one or two of us are independent thinkers in that regard |
| 18:27.47 | L4m3r | say, having a blurb up in the top when you hover over the server entry |
| 18:27.52 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10playground/README: inital commit |
| 18:28.03 | bryjen | head again, JeffM2501 |
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| 18:28.17 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, look clooser :) |
| 18:28.43 | JeffM2501 | it may be head, but not head of what you think :) |
| 18:28.50 | JeffM2501 | since I can't get the tag to work right |
| 18:28.58 | JeffM2501 | you count * as a word? |
| 18:29.00 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 18:29.43 | bryjen | i was just manipulating space-seperated data for the server stats.... word, field, whateva |
| 18:29.53 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:31.16 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, that is where we will be testing said new server list and menus :0 |
| 18:32.47 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10playground/ (27 files): inital commit |
| 18:35.46 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10playground/ (91 files in 9 dirs): inital commit |
| 18:40.30 | QuantumBeep | Jeff, what's the disparity between donations and operating cost? |
| 18:40.48 | JeffM2501 | I'd say 100% |
| 18:41.06 | QuantumBeep | So donations aren't really even taking a bite out of it... |
| 18:41.13 | JeffM2501 | what donations |
| 18:41.19 | QuantumBeep | I get the idea. |
| 18:41.33 | JeffM2501 | every public service you see is run bu somone who basicly just likes the game |
| 18:41.35 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: didnt u donate $100 a few days ago ? |
| 18:41.39 | JeffM2501 | I did |
| 18:41.45 | JeffM2501 | 200$ actualy |
| 18:41.48 | Mr_Molez | ah |
| 18:41.49 | JeffM2501 | but not to "the project" |
| 18:41.54 | JeffM2501 | that was diectly to nid |
| 18:42.01 | JeffM2501 | to get him a new mobo |
| 18:42.04 | QuantumBeep | I'm paying monthly to host games, but that's not really important. |
| 18:42.12 | Mr_Molez | i would never donate |
| 18:42.13 | JeffM2501 | SF donations go to tim |
| 18:42.19 | CBG | Mr_Molez: why not? |
| 18:42.31 | Mr_Molez | CBG: because the money is going to the wrong person / people |
| 18:42.32 | JeffM2501 | I think he pays his cable bill with em, cus that hosts the DNS |
| 18:42.36 | CBG | you'd prefer not to give back to the community you tried to destroy? |
| 18:42.50 | QuantumBeep | Aha, so SF donations aren't really the way to go... |
| 18:43.00 | QuantumBeep | Does Nid pay much to host what he hosts? |
| 18:43.02 | JeffM2501 | depends what you want the money to do |
| 18:43.09 | JeffM2501 | he gets a REALY good deal |
| 18:43.18 | JeffM2501 | but it's not a trivial cost |
| 18:43.30 | QuantumBeep | I see. |
| 18:43.33 | JeffM2501 | specialy since he's now self emploied |
| 18:43.55 | CBG | so, Nid wouldn't get anything donated through SF? |
| 18:44.07 | JeffM2501 | Tim said he'd send him some |
| 18:44.10 | JeffM2501 | dono what he did |
| 18:44.15 | CBG | Ok. |
| 18:44.20 | JeffM2501 | if you want to help nid out, its' beeter to give right to him |
| 18:44.20 | QuantumBeep | We're hosting DNS on a cable connection? |
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| 18:44.35 | JeffM2501 | now even tho nid says he wants to get a server just for us, we are gonna try to disuade him |
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| 18:44.45 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't need to streess his finances for us |
| 18:44.56 | CBG | I've given to the project and to Nid, so I have both bases covered. |
| 18:45.07 | JeffM2501 | then I'm sure Tim's cable bill thanks you |
| 18:45.13 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 18:45.26 | QuantumBeep | I've asked if Nid wants to offload to us, but he doesn't want to do that I guess. |
| 18:45.28 | CBG | If I had anything left to spare, some server owners like QuantumBeep here would be next. |
| 18:45.39 | JeffM2501 | he REALY likes helping the project |
| 18:45.48 | JeffM2501 | and feels bad that he has to have us move |
| 18:45.53 | JeffM2501 | but we have others hosts to go to |
| 18:45.58 | QuantumBeep | So who is our new host? |
| 18:45.59 | JeffM2501 | many others |
| 18:46.03 | JeffM2501 | bzflag.bz |
| 18:46.06 | JeffM2501 | aka brlcad |
| 18:46.10 | QuantumBeep | Aha. |
| 18:46.25 | JeffM2501 | even after that I've had about 10 offers of hosting in the past couple weeks |
| 18:47.10 | JeffM2501 | so we are gonna tell nid to not worry about us, we'll be fine.. he can get him self more stable, and do something later if he wants |
| 18:47.42 | Mr_Molez | winxp can host it !!!! for the first few weeks of the month till he gets his monthly limit renewed:) |
| 18:47.49 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, be nice |
| 18:47.57 | QuantumBeep | WinXP is hosting through me... |
| 18:48.04 | QuantumBeep | I like him |
| 18:48.16 | JeffM2501 | he's ok |
| 18:48.21 | JeffM2501 | he just gets excitable sometimes |
| 18:48.23 | Mr_Molez | suer is :P |
| 18:48.26 | Mr_Molez | *sure |
| 18:48.30 | QuantumBeep | He's got a long way to go, but he has potential |
| 18:48.49 | JeffM2501 | like many kiddos he just needs to learn when to NOT say things :) |
| 18:48.57 | TD-Linux | me! |
| 18:49.08 | QuantumBeep | Heh. I never learned that... but then, I should still be in school. |
| 18:49.40 | QuantumBeep | #hepcat |
| 18:49.43 | QuantumBeep | No |
| 18:49.46 | QuantumBeep | wrong button |
| 18:50.26 | JeffM2501 | I consider anyone who dosn't pay rent or a morgage a kiddo :) |
| 18:50.27 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10playground/ (700 files in 55 dirs): inital commit |
| 18:51.08 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 18:51.35 | QuantumBeep | Heh, that's me. Unless you count me spending pizza delivery tips so I can say "I have a server TOO!" |
| 18:52.49 | JeffM2501 | host for your own reasons :) |
| 18:56.10 | JeffM2501 | yes but where will you find rubber pants your size? |
| 18:56.59 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10playground/src/ (683 files in 26 dirs): inital commit |
| 18:58.37 | CBG | They have shops in Ireland... |
| 18:58.47 | JeffM2501 | and how do you know that? |
| 18:58.59 | QuantumBeep | It cannot be proven conclusively, CBG |
| 18:59.18 | QuantumBeep | Don't make dogmatic assertions about spiritual matters. |
| 18:59.46 | CBG | JeffM2501: maybe I know someone who has been to Ireland? ;) |
| 19:00.09 | QuantumBeep | Unthinkable! |
| 19:00.11 | JeffM2501 | riiigghhhhttttt ;) |
| 19:00.24 | CBG | llleeeeeffffffffttttttt :) |
| 19:00.28 | JeffM2501 | and they came back and told you about rubber pant shops |
| 19:00.53 | QuantumBeep | If you wear rubber pants, you can put a trained rodent inside and nobody can tell. |
| 19:01.39 | DTRemenak | is it just me, or is the conversation here even stranger than usual? |
| 19:01.45 | CBG | Grand. |
| 19:02.04 | JeffM2501 | it's just you ;) |
| 19:02.14 | DTRemenak | figures |
| 19:02.17 | CBG | We're just acting the maggot, DTRemenak. |
| 19:02.18 | JeffM2501 | pick up anything at frys? |
| 19:02.27 | DTRemenak | dvd burner |
| 19:02.36 | DTRemenak | nothing major though |
| 19:02.48 | CBG | Did you not have one before? |
| 19:02.59 | CBG | Or maybe you did but it was banjaxed? |
| 19:03.17 | DTRemenak | the one I had was slow and the tray mechanism only sometimes worked |
| 19:03.27 | CBG | Banjaxed. |
| 19:03.31 | DTRemenak | and it recognized the pack of 100 16x dvds that I got as 2x |
| 19:03.41 | CBG | o.O |
| 19:03.45 | JeffM2501 | not gonna do the dual core thing? |
| 19:04.10 | DTRemenak | in a bit |
| 19:04.21 | DTRemenak | don't have the money right now |
| 19:04.25 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 19:04.52 | bryjen | 100 dvd's? backing up the pr0n before the hosting moves? ;) |
| 19:04.58 | JeffM2501 | can your mobo do 166mhz core bus? |
| 19:05.15 | cosmos | frys is a nightmare. saw some asian guy stab someone in the leg fighting over cpus on sale |
| 19:05.21 | DTRemenak | nope. it's an ancient ECS thingy. had a t-bird in it when I got it |
| 19:05.28 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 19:05.44 | JeffM2501 | cus I think I have a semperon 2400 I don't use |
| 19:05.48 | JeffM2501 | but the mobo is flakey |
| 19:06.10 | DTRemenak | that'd just make me put off the Big Upgrade even longer :P |
| 19:06.22 | JeffM2501 | then it could be a bigger upgrade :) |
| 19:06.26 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:07.31 | CBG | pff :) |
| 19:07.38 | JeffM2501 | I may run out there in a big to get some ram |
| 19:07.44 | JeffM2501 | 2 1 gig dimms for 140 |
| 19:07.54 | DTRemenak | mm, that sounds appealing |
| 19:09.29 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 19:09.40 | TD-Linux | can't think of a good metaphor |
| 19:10.19 | CBG | like an angry tractor? |
| 19:11.13 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 19:11.14 | TD-Linux | no |
| 19:11.34 | TD-Linux | my fans are on rubber o-rings |
| 19:11.42 | TD-Linux | so most of the noise is wind noise |
| 19:12.49 | CBG | The worst is this failing hard drive of mine... |
| 19:13.00 | CBG | It makes mighty funny noises, and often very loud. |
| 19:13.13 | CBG | Which is a bummer when I stay up to 4AM and my family are sleeping :/ |
| 19:13.25 | QuantumBeep | CBG, you haven't gotten that fixed yet? |
| 19:13.38 | QuantumBeep | I will have no pity on you if it fails and you lose data. |
| 19:13.59 | QuantumBeep | Consider yourself invited to use the server for backing up documents |
| 19:14.15 | CBG | I backed up when it first started making noises... |
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| 19:14.23 | QuantumBeep | TD-Linux, I thought I was the only one who aregued with my dad about RAID |
| 19:14.31 | QuantumBeep | Meteorite! |
| 19:14.34 | CBG | But nothing has changed since then, and it has been making LESS noises too. |
| 19:14.34 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 19:14.39 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, that hot? |
| 19:14.40 | A_Meteorite | Hi. |
| 19:14.41 | JeffM2501 | wow |
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| 19:15.10 | TD-Linux | We have an external USB disk drive which we use for backing up. I use it for more, as the OS I'm on right now is running off it. |
| 19:16.01 | QuantumBeep | You're booting from USB? Ow. |
| 19:16.08 | TD-Linux | yup |
| 19:16.11 | JeffM2501 | that can't be fast |
| 19:16.20 | JeffM2501 | slow and hot, not a good combo |
| 19:16.40 | QuantumBeep | Plus USB drives never, ever spin down, so they don't last very long |
| 19:16.42 | TD-Linux | it's quite fast, for USB at least |
| 19:16.53 | QuantumBeep | 20 MBPS is about the mas you're going to get |
| 19:16.55 | JeffM2501 | "for usb" |
| 19:16.59 | TD-Linux | the external drive gets quite hot if I leave it on all day |
| 19:17.08 | JeffM2501 | like your CPU :) |
| 19:17.20 | JeffM2501 | also the USB driver uses CPU for many things |
| 19:17.29 | JeffM2501 | so disk access means CPU usage |
| 19:17.46 | TD-Linux | like my CPU _until_ I got a new hsf for it (zalman cnps7700alcu) |
| 19:17.57 | JeffM2501 | 45 is hot |
| 19:18.25 | TD-Linux | it boots the same speed as windows does off the same machine. Windows is on two raid 1 hitachi 250gig deathstars on sata. |
| 19:18.44 | TD-Linux | it used to run at 65~70C while playing BZFlag with the stock cooler on high. |
| 19:18.53 | L4m3r | I love my AMD64, it runs so cool :) |
| 19:18.55 | JeffM2501 | good lord, what CPU? |
| 19:19.07 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, yeah I'm at like 32 |
| 19:19.12 | JeffM2501 | overclocked |
| 19:19.15 | L4m3r | stock cooling? |
| 19:19.21 | TD-Linux | Pentium 4 550 (3.4ghz HyperThreaded) |
| 19:19.25 | Mr_Molez | my celeron use to run at 60oC idle :P |
| 19:19.32 | JeffM2501 | ahh there's your problem |
| 19:19.38 | L4m3r | that's what you get for using a celeron :P |
| 19:19.47 | JeffM2501 | all the intels run a lot hoter |
| 19:19.52 | TD-Linux | yup |
| 19:20.05 | JeffM2501 | your poor electric bill |
| 19:20.05 | QuantumBeep | Er... full P4s run hotter than Cellys |
| 19:20.09 | TD-Linux | it lowers our heating bills in the winter |
| 19:20.21 | L4m3r | my server's chip sucks... Athlon XP 2000+ |
| 19:20.21 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 19:20.31 | JeffM2501 | for a server that's often fine |
| 19:20.38 | L4m3r | that thing literally kept my room warm through a couple winters, we had no heater |
| 19:20.45 | QuantumBeep | I'm on a Turion64 lappy... slow as hell |
| 19:20.52 | TD-Linux | we have electric heat... so our electric bill probably dosen't notice :) |
| 19:20.55 | Mr_Molez | L4m3r: same here lol |
| 19:20.58 | L4m3r | oh, it works fine... well, now that it's stable anyway |
| 19:21.06 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, a computer as efficent as a heater :) |
| 19:21.22 | JeffM2501 | isn't as even |
| 19:21.40 | L4m3r | after some duct-tape cooling mods and a new PSU from H0ley, my server runs about 100x better |
| 19:21.44 | TD-Linux | a computer is slightly less efficent because some energy is used to spin the disks, fans, light the pretty blue LEDs... |
| 19:21.47 | L4m3r | in fact, I don't think it's crashed yet |
| 19:22.11 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, and all that used by the you know.. computations :) |
| 19:22.21 | L4m3r | lol |
| 19:22.34 | TD-Linux | which in the end result in heat |
| 19:22.43 | JeffM2501 | let me guess it has a ATI Xsomething in it too? |
| 19:22.49 | TD-Linux | X700Pro |
| 19:22.55 | JeffM2501 | another heat pig :) |
| 19:23.05 | JeffM2501 | how big a PS? |
| 19:23.05 | TD-Linux | it's got a very tiny cooler on it |
| 19:23.12 | TD-Linux | 380W |
| 19:23.13 | L4m3r | it turns out that a Smart Fan II at 7V with an adapter cools better than the 60mm stock fan at 12V :P |
| 19:23.29 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, it's all about 120's |
| 19:23.30 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 19:23.34 | L4m3r | heh |
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| 19:23.50 | TD-Linux | my case has a 120 in the front, 120 in the back, 80 on the PSU, and a 120 on the CPU |
| 19:24.03 | L4m3r | not for that CPU... with another adapter to 120 I wouldn't be able to put the side panel back on |
| 19:24.26 | JeffM2501 | mine has 1 on top, 1 on front, 2 in back, and 4 on the left side |
| 19:24.44 | L4m3r | those smart fans are sweet. I think it could damn near take a finger off at full speed. |
| 19:24.51 | L4m3r | sounds like a dustbuster, too |
| 19:25.06 | JeffM2501 | that is why it's all about the 120s :) |
| 19:25.08 | L4m3r | lol |
| 19:25.17 | QuantumBeep | 120mm fans are five times as efficient for the power as 80mm |
| 19:25.21 | L4m3r | too bad they don't make a 120mm Vantec Tornado |
| 19:25.24 | QuantumBeep | And much quieter |
| 19:25.27 | JeffM2501 | and hella quiet |
| 19:25.33 | JeffM2501 | I have them set to the lowest speed |
| 19:25.53 | QuantumBeep | Vantec Tornados are special. I love the way they sound. It's like giving your computer big genitals. |
| 19:25.57 | L4m3r | my fans are all at roughly 7V |
| 19:26.04 | TD-Linux | here's the cooler I have on the CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118114 |
| 19:26.06 | L4m3r | beep: lol |
| 19:26.09 | JeffM2501 | I just turned the dial down to "low" |
| 19:26.14 | JeffM2501 | on the controll pannel thingy |
| 19:26.25 | TD-Linux | you have a fanbus? |
| 19:26.27 | QuantumBeep | L4m3r, you do the 12v-to-5v trick? |
| 19:26.37 | L4m3r | I've got resistors and switches in my keyboard that control the fans |
| 19:26.41 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, sad that your stock coolers arn't good enough |
| 19:26.51 | TD-Linux | quite sad, yes |
| 19:27.03 | TD-Linux | I'm going to use the old cooler to see how far I can overclock a PIC clone :) |
| 19:27.04 | JeffM2501 | my PS came with a 5.25 bay thing to controll the power and the fans |
| 19:27.07 | L4m3r | but I use the 12-5 for other things... like the LEDs in my grill |
| 19:27.29 | QuantumBeep | You run LEDS are 7v? And they don't pop like firecrackers? |
| 19:27.31 | L4m3r | 7V in series pairs = 3.5V per LED, no resistance necessary |
| 19:27.37 | QuantumBeep | Ah |
| 19:27.44 | TD-Linux | I got a SX microcontroller going at 85 MHz with just a small heatsink |
| 19:28.05 | TD-Linux | those are the microcontrollers you use to control microwaves and such :) |
| 19:28.25 | QuantumBeep | Those microcontrollers don't really get hotter when you run them hard. They're pretty predictable |
| 19:28.30 | L4m3r | also, from overload, one of the resistors in my keyboard popped in half so I had to hardwire some of my fans to 7V :P |
| 19:28.38 | TD-Linux | QuantumBeep: you've used SX'es? |
| 19:28.55 | QuantumBeep | "used", no, but I understand the type of hardware |
| 19:28.58 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 19:29.03 | menotume | ~seen TimsAss |
| 19:29.17 | ibot | i haven't seen 'timsass', menotume |
| 19:29.18 | TD-Linux | LEDs are current driven, not voltaga |
| 19:29.18 | brlcad | "acting the maggot", there's a phrase I haven't heard before |
| 19:29.18 | TD-Linux | *voltage |
| 19:29.23 | menotume | ibot: lucky you |
| 19:29.32 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:29.37 | L4m3r | they don't take much... |
| 19:29.53 | TD-Linux | blue LED's need at least about 4V |
| 19:30.09 | JeffM2501 | you can have all my LEDs |
| 19:30.10 | L4m3r | I've got a flashlight made from a toilet paper roll... 12 ultra-bright blue LEDs, powered by 7 AAs that my camera has gone through |
| 19:30.10 | TD-Linux | red ones can run at 0.5V |
| 19:30.12 | JeffM2501 | I wish them removed |
| 19:30.29 | L4m3r | running at 3.5V each |
| 19:30.30 | TD-Linux | most of the high brightness ones need to be current-limited to less than 20mA |
| 19:31.19 | L4m3r | Jeff: I take it you're not a fan of all the cray, glowy, bright crap? :P |
| 19:31.19 | QuantumBeep | I remember blowing out 7 LEDS at once using a benchtop breadboard PS when I was six. I didn't know they needed resistors. |
| 19:31.39 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:31.49 | JeffM2501 | I got my case cus it DOSN'T have a window :) |
| 19:31.52 | L4m3r | lol, you'd hate my case then :P |
| 19:31.58 | JeffM2501 | I've sen it |
| 19:32.02 | JeffM2501 | it's just wasted power |
| 19:32.11 | JeffM2501 | it's like puting a wing on a honda civic :) |
| 19:32.13 | L4m3r | well, I don't pay for it anyway :P |
| 19:32.22 | JeffM2501 | your computer is a ricer :) |
| 19:32.28 | JeffM2501 | the LEDs make it go faster :) |
| 19:32.30 | DTRemenak | hahaha - so true |
| 19:32.40 | TD-Linux | L4m3r: you need some of these: http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/item/LED-112/340500/1_WATT_BLUE_ULTRA-ULTRA_BRIGHT_LED_.html |
| 19:32.49 | L4m3r | no, the AMD64 makes it go faster... I wouldn't do it with say, my old box :P |
| 19:32.55 | QuantumBeep | You know, case windows let out a whole lot of EMI. Bad for other devices |
| 19:33.03 | L4m3r | :TD-Linux: whoa |
| 19:33.09 | JeffM2501 | bet he runs gentoo as well :) |
| 19:33.37 | TD-Linux | allelectronics is a good surplus site... I like their parallel LCDs |
| 19:34.10 | L4m3r | I got a bag of 100 of those blue LEDs for $10 from some hong-kong based site... |
| 19:34.17 | L4m3r | shipped for free |
| 19:34.24 | TD-Linux | 1-watt ones??? |
| 19:34.29 | L4m3r | and I still haven't gone through the whole bag yet |
| 19:34.37 | L4m3r | no, the ones I mentioned earlier loll |
| 19:34.41 | TD-Linux | oh :) |
| 19:34.43 | TD-Linux | where? |
| 19:34.48 | L4m3r | http://ledshoppe.com |
| 19:34.56 | L4m3r | lots of great, cheap crap |
| 19:35.10 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, it won't be long before they start puting wings on cases |
| 19:35.15 | trepan | we should each make our own playground, good for the SF activity rating |
| 19:35.25 | L4m3r | I bought the IDE->USB adapter too, it works alright |
| 19:35.31 | JeffM2501 | trepan, exactly |
| 19:35.34 | JeffM2501 | and CIA |
| 19:35.56 | L4m3r | not really reliable, but great for file transfer when the flash drive isn't big enough :D |
| 19:36.14 | L4m3r | and jeff: someone has already put chrome tailpipes on a case... |
| 19:36.28 | TD-Linux | I lost my flash drive again |
| 19:36.36 | TD-Linux | in my house |
| 19:36.53 | L4m3r | I've put mine through the wash twice, I think, and it keeps on rockin' |
| 19:37.08 | L4m3r | only 128MB, though :\ meh, it's like two years old |
| 19:37.09 | TD-Linux | mine is cheap junk, and it works for me :) |
| 19:37.30 | TD-Linux | then again, it gets its pocket devoted to itself |
| 19:38.18 | TD-Linux | ooh... $20 for 500 6000mcd blue LEDs... |
| 19:38.31 | JeffM2501 | it's a case |
| 19:38.35 | JeffM2501 | for a tool |
| 19:39.08 | L4m3r | TD, if you order from there, be prepared to wait. shipping is free, but it took three weeks |
| 19:40.23 | L4m3r | I ordered those LEDs, the adapter, and a LED headlight, and they shipped it in an envelope :| |
| 19:40.36 | TD-Linux | uhhh |
| 19:40.43 | L4m3r | lol |
| 19:40.54 | TD-Linux | oh well... LEDs are strong :) |
| 19:40.54 | L4m3r | but it did all get here in one piece, eventually. |
| 19:41.10 | TD-Linux | ooh... UV LEDs |
| 19:41.14 | TD-Linux | those are fun to stare ta |
| 19:41.15 | L4m3r | yup |
| 19:41.40 | L4m3r | I use Cathodes for UV lights, LEDs don't work as well |
| 19:41.43 | TD-Linux | I used one once to prove to someone that their million-dollar bill was fake |
| 19:42.18 | L4m3r | LEDs spotlight more, while the CCFLs give a nice, even light to make everything glow :P |
| 19:42.57 | TD-Linux | I've always wondered: where do you get those four-lead, tri-color LEDs? |
| 19:43.02 | TD-Linux | without the controller chip inside? |
| 19:43.10 | L4m3r | good question. |
| 19:43.38 | TD-Linux | suppose hot glue over 3 3mm LEDs would work too |
| 19:44.08 | L4m3r | only for highlighting, but not if you want to give off any light |
| 19:44.16 | L4m3r | hot glue diffuses it too much |
| 19:44.27 | TD-Linux | I find it hard to believe that they have 18000mcd white LEDs there... |
| 19:44.33 | L4m3r | works great for, say, your keyboard lights though... |
| 19:45.12 | TD-Linux | ooh, I found one at that web site |
| 19:45.30 | L4m3r | well, I can't vouch for the specs... but I will say the 3mm blue ones are very very bright. :P |
| 19:45.39 | TD-Linux | http://ledshoppe.com/Product/led/LE1011.htm |
| 19:45.56 | TD-Linux | I NEED those |
| 19:46.39 | L4m3r | 20 for $12... |
| 19:46.48 | L4m3r | just a matter of waiting for them to arrive |
| 19:46.55 | TD-Linux | I can wait... |
| 19:47.04 | TD-Linux | right now I'm working on playing music through my TI-84+SE |
| 19:47.12 | L4m3r | lolwtf |
| 19:47.14 | QuantumBeep | Speaking of things I really NEED: |
| 19:47.17 | QuantumBeep | http://www.unitednuclear.com/traser.htm |
| 19:47.37 | QuantumBeep | TI-83PSE 's were so much easier to play music from.. |
| 19:48.39 | L4m3r | dude, now they have an IDE->SATA converter... wow |
| 19:48.46 | TD-Linux | QuantumBeep: why? |
| 19:50.12 | TD-Linux | the sunken-in I/O connector isn't a problem, as my adapter uses a jack and I use the an official TI I/O cable to attach them together |
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| 19:59.58 | L4m3r | Wow, I feel like an idiot now |
| 20:00.32 | L4m3r | all this time I've manually done find/replace to start a new plugin from the sample, when VS can do a whole folder automatically. >_< |
| 20:01.04 | QuantumBeep | Oh... 84 has a serial output? |
| 20:02.00 | TD-Linux | it's not really serial.. but yes |
| 20:02.05 | TD-Linux | there are two ports on top |
| 20:02.09 | TD-Linux | USB and I/O |
| 20:02.25 | TD-Linux | the I/O port protocol is really weird |
| 20:02.41 | QuantumBeep | But can you drive I/O in an audioish way? |
| 20:02.45 | TD-Linux | sure! |
| 20:02.51 | TD-Linux | just like the 83+'es |
| 20:02.59 | TD-Linux | want proof? |
| 20:03.18 | JeffM2501 | perhaps /msg is better for you 2 hardware lovebirds? |
| 20:03.26 | QuantumBeep | No, I'll take your word for it |
| 20:03.59 | TD-Linux | http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/13/136/136239.html |
| 20:04.11 | JeffM2501 | again I say |
| 20:04.14 | JeffM2501 | perhaps /msg is better for you 2 hardware lovebirds? |
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| 20:04.21 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: find in files/folders is one of the nicest features of vs |
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| 20:08.09 | spldart | >Dev's is there an advanced map maker planned or perhaps something in the works beside the old bz editors? |
| 20:08.25 | JeffM2501 | blender |
| 20:08.26 | JeffM2501 | it's done |
| 20:08.28 | JeffM2501 | use it |
| 20:08.30 | JeffM2501 | love it |
| 20:08.31 | JeffM2501 | live it |
| 20:08.36 | spldart | blender with a bz plugin? |
| 20:08.42 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:08.45 | spldart | sweetness |
| 20:08.46 | spldart | thanks |
| 20:08.52 | JeffM2501 | plugin is in the forums |
| 20:08.53 | spldart | I'll go make love to it now |
| 20:09.24 | TD-Linux | please don't |
| 20:09.37 | TD-Linux | Blender isn't that kind of person |
| 20:09.38 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 20:09.38 | spldart | to late |
| 20:09.48 | spldart | It's inflatable |
| 20:10.25 | brlcad | brl-cad conveniently already works too |
| 20:10.33 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 20:10.45 | brlcad | sans plugin, but requires modeltool conversion |
| 20:11.07 | spldart | hrm got modeltool and have used it... is brl-cad easier to use than blender? |
| 20:11.13 | JeffM2501 | but no, there are no plans to make any more editors, when there are good 3rd party ones out there that can work |
| 20:11.33 | JeffM2501 | the blender plugin is a full maping solution, even supports the bz specific stuff |
| 20:12.04 | spldart | ah.. Still hunting the bb :) |
| 20:12.11 | JeffM2501 | map editors |
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| 20:12.15 | JeffM2501 | it's not hard to find :) |
| 20:12.47 | mbfg | wowsers |
| 20:12.54 | mbfg | outlook express just caught fire |
| 20:13.12 | mbfg | yo! |
| 20:13.41 | mbfg | what's the big man up to this time? |
| 20:14.09 | brlcad | oooh, woot |
| 20:14.12 | brlcad | howdy mbfg |
| 20:14.20 | mbfg | yo! |
| 20:14.28 | brlcad | happy easter egg |
| 20:14.31 | mbfg | hehe |
| 20:14.33 | mbfg | i guess |
| 20:15.30 | brlcad | FYI to all, I plan on upgrading the kernel to 5.4 here shortly if all goes well |
| 20:16.22 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 20:16.43 | brlcad | then maybe to 6 current later, but figured should update to the last 5.x first |
| 20:16.50 | DTRemenak | always fun to catch up to a year ago :) |
| 20:17.12 | brlcad | yep :) |
| 20:17.46 | brlcad | i'm surprised an issue didn't crop up before the http connection thing to motivate a kernel update |
| 20:18.15 | DTRemenak | me too. seems to me early 5's had many problems |
| 20:18.42 | brlcad | yeah, they did |
| 20:18.52 | brlcad | 5.2.1 was a sweet spot for this hardware apparently |
| 20:18.58 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 20:19.16 | brlcad | had i not upgraded apache, would have likely never noticed |
| 20:21.20 | brlcad | er, it likely would have never been a problem for that matter either |
| 20:23.04 | DTRemenak | hehe |
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| 20:24.54 | Nidhoggr | mbfg? |
| 20:24.59 | Nidhoggr | oh |
| 20:25.06 | Nidhoggr | mybigfatguy |
| 20:25.08 | brlcad | :) |
| 20:25.14 | Nidhoggr | err mebigfatguy |
| 20:25.21 | Nidhoggr | can't type lately. |
| 20:33.28 | Nidhoggr | any sign of tim to change the DNS? |
| 20:39.53 | brlcad | not yet |
| 20:40.05 | brlcad | not too surprising given it is easter |
| 20:40.21 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 20:40.31 | brlcad | him being relatively rather religious iirc |
| 20:40.36 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 20:40.42 | brlcad | er, you know what i mean :) |
| 20:48.21 | SportChick | wow, mbfg?! |
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| 21:08.05 | L4m3r | Just finished a bot kicker plugin... boots robot tanks so you can still allow autopilot :) |
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| 21:17.45 | L4m3r | is there a way to set brightness back to normal? |
| 21:18.01 | L4m3r | whenever the client crashes my screen is all pale until I reboot |
| 21:18.33 | L4m3r | (Windoze XP SP2, 6600GT) |
| 21:19.04 | JeffM2501 | wheeeee... going fast is fun :) |
| 21:19.17 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, yeah it's how MS does gamma, it happens in any game |
| 21:19.23 | L4m3r | :| |
| 21:19.39 | L4m3r | Jeff, so you have any other cars? |
| 21:19.42 | L4m3r | do* |
| 21:19.58 | JeffM2501 | I have a truck |
| 21:20.06 | L4m3r | yeah, that I've seen |
| 21:20.08 | L4m3r | :P |
| 21:20.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:20.22 | JeffM2501 | why would I need more then one car/truck? |
| 21:20.36 | L4m3r | doesn't seem like an ideal "go out and drive like a nutcase" sort of car, that's all |
| 21:20.41 | L4m3r | :P |
| 21:20.46 | JeffM2501 | I wasn't in the truck |
| 21:20.51 | JeffM2501 | I was on the motorcyle |
| 21:20.57 | JeffM2501 | it goes fast |
| 21:21.01 | L4m3r | ah. See, that's what I was getting at. ;) |
| 21:22.05 | JeffM2501 | I'm trying to get it to run right, so it's allways little adjustments then a ride to get it all burned in |
| 21:22.08 | L4m3r | never ridden one myself. crotch-rockets have always looked like a lot of fun, lol |
| 21:22.10 | JeffM2501 | and run more cleaner thru it |
| 21:22.19 | JeffM2501 | they can be |
| 21:22.23 | JeffM2501 | they arn't easy to ride tho |
| 21:22.30 | JeffM2501 | lot of little things you have to do |
| 21:22.33 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 21:22.41 | JeffM2501 | and it's easy to get going REALY fast, REALY quicky |
| 21:22.48 | L4m3r | but you have to start, to learn, right? :P |
| 21:22.51 | JeffM2501 | like I can get to 100 just on an onramp |
| 21:23.09 | L4m3r | yeah, I've heard policemen complain on TV |
| 21:23.17 | JeffM2501 | crusers or stree/trail hybrids are easy to learn |
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| 21:23.34 | L4m3r | "fast cars suck, but motorcycles are the worst, they'll lose you around a corner" |
| 21:23.49 | JeffM2501 | acceleration is there bigest strong point |
| 21:23.55 | L4m3r | ya, definitely |
| 21:24.05 | JeffM2501 | there is also the temptation to weave in and out of traffic |
| 21:24.13 | JeffM2501 | that's what kills ya |
| 21:24.17 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 21:24.27 | L4m3r | and showing off... |
| 21:24.34 | JeffM2501 | this only a 750 |
| 21:24.43 | JeffM2501 | so it's not like i can get up on one wheel |
| 21:25.01 | L4m3r | down at the docks someone crashed doing like 80, went skidding along the asphalt, ripped all his clothes off... he didn't make it |
| 21:25.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:25.19 | JeffM2501 | probably just being dumb |
| 21:25.31 | L4m3r | yeah, I think so |
| 21:26.43 | L4m3r | back home there's a nice set of switchbacks that the bikers like: http://chriswible.com/images/gallery/pv/41.jpg |
| 21:26.46 | JeffM2501 | I gotta get a tank bag soon |
| 21:26.54 | JeffM2501 | and some sadle bags |
| 21:27.10 | JeffM2501 | my bike don't turn so well :) |
| 21:27.14 | JeffM2501 | it's made to go straight |
| 21:27.18 | L4m3r | someone cut the corner too tight coming up and hit a car head-on |
| 21:27.50 | JeffM2501 | again being stupid :) |
| 21:28.00 | L4m3r | not to mention it's risky there, since there's a turnout at the top from which a cop can see the whole thing |
| 21:33.01 | CBG | hmm, if I have 2 clients open (same level of brightness) and shut one with F12, my screen goes slightly dimmer. I have to then change the brightness of the remaining client (I just change it one notch down, then put it back up one notch, or vice versa.) and it resets. But it's mighty annoying... |
| 21:33.34 | JeffM2501 | we "reset" the gamma back to what it was when you launced when we close |
| 21:33.45 | JeffM2501 | it's not realy made for more then one client |
| 21:34.28 | CBG | The screen doesn't lighten when I open the first or the second client. :/ |
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| 22:39.15 | brad2901 | are emails in the scoreboard limited in length with 2.0.6? |
| 22:39.30 | menotume | you can set the length displayed |
| 22:39.35 | menotume | look in gui options |
| 22:39.38 | brad2901 | oh |
| 22:39.42 | brad2901 | thanks |
| 22:39.56 | menotume | yeppers |
| 22:40.06 | menotume | i think it defaults to 32 or something or other |
| 22:42.09 | brad2901 | ah |
| 22:42.45 | CBG | wow, I just found that :) I set it so it doesn't quite block the team scores. |
| 22:43.02 | menotume | yep :) |
| 22:43.17 | menotume | all all depends on font size and resolution as to how many chars |
| 22:44.04 | CBG | it's the number of chars? so someone with iiiiii... etc would only get half way across my screen with my currect setting |
| 22:44.22 | CBG | and someone with _____... etc would probably go off the screen? |
| 22:44.55 | L4m3r | I'm pretty sure the client uses a monospace font |
| 22:45.16 | CBG | that means all chars are equal width? |
| 22:45.21 | L4m3r | yup |
| 22:45.22 | menotume | yes |
| 22:45.25 | menotume | fixed-width |
| 22:45.31 | CBG | ok, thanks |
| 22:45.50 | menotume | CBG: set a long email string and try it |
| 22:51.11 | CBG | Hmm, maybe I miscounted, but it seems close, if not exactly the same. |
| 22:51.26 | CBG | I probably did miscount the 20+ "i"s... |
| 22:51.39 | CBG | 40+* |
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| 22:58.23 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: May I mind asking what playground is for? :) |
| 22:59.02 | JeffM2501 | playing in |
| 22:59.24 | blast007 | :) |
| 22:59.28 | L4m3r | the CVS equivalent of the wiki sandbox? |
| 22:59.43 | JeffM2501 | I know not what that is |
| 22:59.50 | blast007 | just another module that was set up in CVS |
| 23:00.00 | blast007 | not anythink like the wiki sandbox |
| 23:01.08 | blast007 | anything* |
| 23:01.27 | trepan | s/module/subdir/ |
| 23:01.49 | JeffM2501 | thingy |
| 23:01.56 | menotume | <ibot> blast007 meant just another subdir that was set up in CVS |
| 23:02.36 | blast007 | no, Module ;) |
| 23:02.45 | blast007 | that's what it's called in Tortoise CVS anyway |
| 23:02.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah he is right |
| 23:03.04 | JeffM2501 | they do call it that |
| 23:04.00 | L4m3r | ok, but it's generally just for expirimentation, right? |
| 23:04.56 | blast007 | new modules can be called anything, and used for anything |
| 23:05.14 | blast007 | for instance, we have the stats website in the 'db' module |
| 23:05.15 | JeffM2501 | I dono I just made it today :) |
| 23:05.37 | L4m3r | lol |
| 23:07.10 | JeffM2501 | have to go to fry's in a bit tho |
| 23:07.14 | JeffM2501 | they are open today right? |
| 23:07.23 | L4m3r | yes... but... lol |
| 23:07.44 | L4m3r | oh, wait, it's easter too isn't it? |
| 23:07.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:07.56 | JeffM2501 | not all things are closed |
| 23:08.21 | L4m3r | I guess you should call ahead :\ |
| 23:08.36 | JeffM2501 | pffft.. call? that's what the interweb is for :) |
| 23:08.50 | L4m3r | Fry's website doesn't seem to be that current :P |
| 23:09.45 | L4m3r | not to mention, if you're going to fry's on a sunday you might as well go to the beach too... it's gonna be packed :P |
| 23:10.03 | JeffM2501 | naw, gotta to to dinner at my friends parents house |
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| 23:47.07 | swine | Hi folks! can someone tell me the server setting for controlling the wings flag? Setting amount of flaps.. |
| 23:47.36 | L4m3r | set the variable _wingsJumpCount |
| 23:48.13 | swine | thanks! |
| 23:48.14 | L4m3r | there's also a list of server variables in the wiki that's handy as a reference ;) |
| 23:48.41 | swine | i'll check it out. Thanks again! |
| 23:48.53 | menotume | and, do /set to see them |
