irclog2html for #bzflag on 20060409

`00:00.51`	`trepan`	`think your logic might be messed up, might also want to make the calls static`
`00:01.52`	`JeffM2501`	`what does static do for it?`
`00:02.18`	`trepan`	`you don't need to export those functions`
`00:02.43`	`JeffM2501`	`ah tha'ts right, gcc exports everthing`
`00:03.03`	`trepan`	`not just gcc`
`00:03.03`	`JeffM2501`	`k I'll do that when I'm done testing`
`00:03.15`	`JeffM2501`	`my build dirs are all jacked from moving cvs around so much`
`00:04.10`	`deadman`	`~bzfquery www.manetheran.ath.cx:5155`
`00:05.34`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: might want to use the default value instead of the old value, possibly reset the var for consistent queries :)`
`00:05.49`	`JeffM2501`	`BZDB.getDefault?`
`00:06.15`	`trepan`	`sounds about right`
`00:06.22`	`JeffM2501`	`I was thinking just ignore the /set`
`00:06.28`	`JeffM2501`	`so if you set it to a good`
`00:06.31`	`JeffM2501`	`then a bad`
`00:06.36`	`JeffM2501`	`it stays at the last good`
`00:06.51`	`trepan`	`sounds good, can't be done easily in BZDBCache`
`00:07.07`	`JeffM2501`	`the cache is only updated in 2 places`
`00:07.24`	`trepan`	`it's updated by the hooks for the most part`
`00:07.27`	`JeffM2501`	`so that's why it dosn't set the cached value to the bad one but leaves it at the good`
`00:07.29`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`00:07.34`	`JeffM2501`	`so /set would call the hook`
`00:07.48`	`JeffM2501`	`the update dosn't change the variable if it's not a valid value`
`00:07.53`	`JeffM2501`	`and it basicly stays the sma`
`00:07.55`	`JeffM2501`	`same`
`00:07.58`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not clean`
`00:08.04`	`JeffM2501`	`as it dosn't tell you that you messed up`
`00:08.14`	`JeffM2501`	`that's better served by puting types and limits in bzdb later`
`00:08.21`	`JeffM2501`	`the /set would know what to expect`
`00:08.22`	`trepan`	`BZDB.set() sets the value, then calls the hooks, iirc`
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`00:08.28`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`00:08.33`	`sayphya`	`sepi`
`00:08.34`	`JeffM2501`	`so the value in the db is bad`
`00:08.37`	`sayphya`	`sendiri aku benci`
`00:08.39`	`JeffM2501`	`but the cache is good`
`00:08.50`	`sayphya`	`:(`
`00:08.51`	`JeffM2501`	`like I said it's not clean :)`
`00:09.03`	`trepan`	`exactly, guess you could just use BZDB.setFloat :)`
`00:09.12`	`trepan`	`(with the old value)`
`00:09.18`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`00:09.18`	`JeffM2501`	`fair nuf`
`00:09.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I can do that`
`00:09.31`	`sayphya`	`who are u all?`
`00:09.40`	`JeffM2501`	`we are the developers and players of bzflag`
`00:10.07`	`JeffM2501`	`the game who's website you are using to get into our IRC channel`
`00:10.07`	`deadman`	`~bzfquery www.manetheran.ath.cx:5155`
`00:10.10`	`sayphya`	`what is the channel`
`00:11.07`	`sayphya`	`im not uderstand`
`00:11.17`	`sayphya`	`all of u are people?`
`00:11.19`	`JeffM2501`	`this channel is about the game bzflag`
`00:11.41`	`trepan`	`could also add [gs]etLastValue to BZDB fairly easily; would make it cleaner, and keep "X / 3.1" type exprs intact`
`00:12.03`	`JeffM2501`	`we can do that for 2.1`
`00:12.07`	`JeffM2501`	`and make it good`
`00:12.12`	`JeffM2501`	`I just want a low impact change here`
`00:12.46`	`JeffM2501`	`no feature creep`
`00:12.46`	`trepan`	`either way, watch out for recursion :)`
`00:12.49`	`TD-Linux`	`I think I'm a person`
`00:12.52`	`sayphya`	`what are u talking about?`
`00:13.09`	`JeffM2501`	`sayphya, a game`
`00:13.13`	`TD-Linux`	`this channel is mostly for developing bzflag`
`00:13.17`	`JeffM2501`	`look at the web page you went to get on on here`
`00:13.29`	`TD-Linux`	`if you want to talk about playing bzflag, try #bzchat`
`00:14.32`	`sayphya`	`if i want talk the other topic?`
`00:14.37`	`sayphya`	`what should i do`
`00:15.02`	`JeffM2501`	`the web IRC you used, does not allow that`
`00:15.04`	`brlcad`	`join a different channel`
`00:15.05`	`JeffM2501`	`we use it just for here`
`00:15.13`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, he can't he's on our webchat`
`00:15.20`	`brlcad`	`yeah, I know`
`00:15.25`	`brlcad`	`that's his problem though`
`00:15.37`	`sayphya`	`i try to join in the other chanel`
`00:15.39`	`JeffM2501`	`sayphya, you will have to use a difreent IRC server`
`00:15.39`	`sayphya`	`but i cant`
`00:15.42`	`JeffM2501`	`no you can not`
`00:15.44`	`brlcad`	`exactly`
`00:15.46`	`JeffM2501`	`you are not allowed`
`00:15.51`	`brlcad`	`you can't, you're not special enough`
`00:15.51`	`JeffM2501`	`use a real IRC client`
`00:16.00`	`JeffM2501`	`and people say I'm mean ;)`
`00:16.04`	`brlcad`	`you have to earn the right`
`00:17.20`	`sayphya`	`wait..`
`00:17.28`	`brlcad`	`with questions like "all of u are people?" I get the 'must mess with their heads' syndrome`
`00:17.28`	`sayphya`	`where u all`
`00:17.36`	`brlcad`	`yes, we'll just sit here and wait for you to understand`
`00:17.50`	`brlcad`	`sorry can't answer, I'm still waiting`
`00:18.10`	`sayphya`	`ups...`
`00:18.16`	`JeffM2501`	`sayphya, this is not a general chat channel`
`00:18.22`	`brlcad`	`sayphya: http://irchelp.org .. try a different client, xchat for example`
`00:18.25`	`JeffM2501`	`please use another system`
`00:18.28`	`JeffM2501`	`follow that link`
`00:18.40`	`JeffM2501`	`or we will have to remove you`
`00:19.45`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: you'll also have to include <cmath> for branch`
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`00:19.57`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm windows compiles fine`
`00:20.00`	`JeffM2501`	`but ok`
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`00:21.01`	`trepan`	`linux doesn't compile fine...`
`00:21.56`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`00:21.58`	`JeffM2501`	`I added it`
`00:22.08`	`JeffM2501`	`and am fixing up the functions`
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`00:23.22`	`A_Meteorite`	`Heh, I found a logic bug in BZFlag. :D`
`00:23.30`	`brlcad`	`just one?`
`00:23.35`	`JeffM2501`	`I was just gonna say that`
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`00:23.39`	`A_Meteorite`	`You know how you hear the admin channel sound when you say or hear something?`
`00:23.41`	`JeffM2501`	`stupid psycic link`
`00:23.45`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`00:23.50`	`JeffM2501`	`mmmm beeer`
`00:23.59`	`A_Meteorite`	`Well, you hear one when you hear team speak, but not when you say something on the team channel`
`00:24.17`	`A_Meteorite`	`same with private message`
`00:24.32`	`A_Meteorite`	`so, either the admin channel is out of line or the two other ones are out of line :P`
`00:24.32`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/common/BZDBCache.cxx: make logic not wrong, set the bzdb var to the "good" value if a bad one is input`
`00:24.33`	`brlcad`	`i'm telling you.. it happens freakishly often..`
`00:24.38`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`00:24.50`	`brlcad`	`i just don't say something usually :)`
`00:25.03`	`lan56`	`A_Meteorite, interesting I didn't think about that till now`
`00:25.09`	`A_Meteorite`	`:D`
`00:25.22`	`A_Meteorite`	`I just noticed it today.`
`00:25.27`	`A_Meteorite`	`I was like, "Huh?"`
`00:25.38`	`JeffM2501`	`there that should fix it up for now`
`00:25.40`	`brlcad`	`the other two were intentional`
`00:25.51`	`A_Meteorite`	`They were?`
`00:25.59`	`A_Meteorite`	`Why does the admin channel work that way then?`
`00:26.01`	`brlcad`	`admin is the one making noises when it shouldn't if I understand you correctly`
`00:26.06`	`A_Meteorite`	`Ahh o`
`00:26.08`	`A_Meteorite`	`*ok`
`00:26.13`	`brlcad`	`why should it beep when you send a message.. you know you sent it`
`00:26.20`	`A_Meteorite`	`Personally, I like verifying hearing the sound`
`00:26.35`	`brlcad`	`personally, I find it incredibly annoying :)`
`00:26.38`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh`
`00:26.42`	`brlcad`	`i know it was sent`
`00:26.45`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah cus that feeling in your pinky when you hit enter isn't satisfying enough :)`
`00:26.51`	`brlcad`	`if there was any doubt to that fact, I might care`
`00:26.51`	`A_Meteorite`	`Then maybe it should be taken out`
`00:26.57`	`A_Meteorite`	`lol`
`00:27.13`	`JeffM2501`	`or maybe he had a horible childhood pinky accedent and has lost all feeling in his little finger`
`00:27.16`	`A_Meteorite`	`JeffM2501: same way with me`
`00:27.31`	`JeffM2501`	`if it's a feature it should be an option`
`00:27.33`	`trepan`	`(newVal < 0.0f) => (newVal <= 0.0f) ?`
`00:27.58`	`A_Meteorite`	`yeah, "Sounds on received messages?"`
`00:28.02`	`A_Meteorite`	`or something like that`
`00:28.06`	`JeffM2501`	`just like AIM`
`00:28.09`	`brlcad`	`ahh, the branches of bz..: cd /archive/BZ/bzflag.v[tab][tab]`
`00:28.10`	`brlcad`	`bzflag.v1_10 bzflag.v1_7 bzflag.v1_8 bzflag.v2_0`
`00:28.19`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/common/BZDBCache.cxx: stupid smart people`
`00:28.49`	`A_Meteorite`	`I just thought it would be better off getting that in before 2.0.6 was released`
`00:28.55`	`A_Meteorite`	`;)`
`00:29.01`	`JeffM2501`	`it's kind of minor`
`00:29.09`	`JeffM2501`	`can't realy call it "critical"`
`00:29.13`	`A_Meteorite`	`true`
`00:29.21`	`A_Meteorite`	`but it will take only 10secs won't it? :)`
`00:29.22`	`JeffM2501`	`how long has it done it for?`
`00:29.31`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not a time, it's an impact leve`
`00:29.33`	`JeffM2501`	`level`
`00:29.34`	`A_Meteorite`	`since 2.0.2`
`00:29.37`	`A_Meteorite`	`or so`
`00:29.42`	`JeffM2501`	`then people have lived with it`
`00:29.51`	`A_Meteorite`	`well, I just noticed the difference now`
`00:29.54`	`JeffM2501`	`there is greater chance of breaking something then there is of apeasing people`
`00:29.56`	`JeffM2501`	`exactly`
`00:30.01`	`JeffM2501`	`and it dosn't affect gameplay`
`00:30.02`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh`
`00:30.04`	`JeffM2501`	`so it's not critical`
`00:30.08`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok`
`00:30.09`	`JeffM2501`	`that's how we'd look at it at work`
`00:30.28`	`JeffM2501`	`we are in final release mode here at work`
`00:30.37`	`JeffM2501`	`pushing to get done on time to get the phat cash bonus :)`
`00:30.38`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok`
`00:30.43`	`A_Meteorite`	`:)`
`00:30.45`	`brlcad`	`woot`
`00:30.50`	`brlcad`	`phat cash is good`
`00:31.22`	`brlcad`	`playing.cxx`
`00:31.28`	`JeffM2501`	`1.5% yearly salary + a "contribution factor"`
`00:31.33`	`JeffM2501`	`if we ship by end of may`
`00:31.38`	`brlcad`	`ship it!`
`00:31.39`	`A_Meteorite`	`really?`
`00:31.41`	`A_Meteorite`	`no way!`
`00:31.51`	`brlcad`	`way.`
`00:31.53`	`A_Meteorite`	`Who pays you? O_o`
`00:31.55`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`00:32.03`	`JeffM2501`	`umm the company pays us`
`00:32.08`	`JeffM2501`	`we should make it`
`00:32.11`	`brlcad`	`she pays HIM`
`00:32.12`	`A_Meteorite`	`for BZFlag?`
`00:32.19`	`JeffM2501`	`no no, for my work`
`00:32.27`	`A_Meteorite`	`I see`
`00:32.54`	`JeffM2501`	`personaly I only have 1 more enhancment to build testing posts for, and then I'm down to the "would kinda be nice" bugs`
`00:33.03`	`JeffM2501`	`so I know I'll make it`
`00:33.16`	`brlcad`	`yeah, you better ship.. you know that brl-cad thing might cut into your business if you don't`
`00:33.19`	`brlcad`	`in like 50 years`
`00:33.24`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`00:33.31`	`JeffM2501`	`we'd probably partner with you first`
`00:33.41`	`JeffM2501`	`and just add native read/write`
`00:33.43`	`brlcad`	`probably`
`00:33.51`	`JeffM2501`	`we are doing that with a lot of cad people now`
`00:34.01`	`brlcad`	`nobody cares about cam in our sector`
`00:34.15`	`brlcad`	`heck, not even much about cad.. mostly about analyses`
`00:34.17`	`JeffM2501`	`we have a solid works add-in that basicly puts a button in solid works that launches us, and auto brings in the part`
`00:34.25`	`JeffM2501`	`we arn't big on cad ether`
`00:34.30`	`JeffM2501`	`all about machining`
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`00:34.44`	`JeffM2501`	`they draw it, we make it, you figure out if it's gonna suck or not ;)`
`00:35.02`	`brlcad`	`the geometry is simply the means to our end, so long as it's solid geometry`
`00:35.16`	`JeffM2501`	`same for us`
`00:35.26`	`JeffM2501`	`we just need geo to compute toolpaths from`
`00:35.39`	`JeffM2501`	`and run those wackyass machines`
`00:36.28`	`brlcad`	`our niche is that nobody comes close to our ray-tracing geometry for analysis purposes performance, at least for large complex models`
`00:37.13`	`brlcad`	`querying all the geometry along a given shotline, reporting intersection details`
`00:38.27`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: "ws"`
`00:40.22`	`brlcad`	`ah, see why it also sends from self`
`00:40.29`	`brlcad`	`the comment is even wrong`
`00:42.19`	`brlcad`	`also don't respect the bzdb var that controls the noise`
`01:00.04`	`lan56`	`bzflag reports an SDL error saying "couldn't open bounce" when bzflag SDL_SetGamma(gamma, gamma, gamma), I searched the entire SDL source and bzflag's too, googled it, and asked in #sdl, and no explanation. would anybody here know what that means?`
`01:00.21`	`lan56`	`*when bzflag calls SDL_SetGamma(gamma, gamma, gamma)`
`01:01.56`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: make the team/private/admin message noises more consistent so that they only play sounds that are not from self or server or from server but disabled.`
`01:02.00`	`lan56`	`huh http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/27057 has this same error, but no explanation :(`
`01:02.02`	`brlcad`	`lan56: bounce sounds like maybe one of our resource files?`
`01:02.46`	`lan56`	`bounce.wav sound file I think`
`01:02.51`	`lan56`	`but its there in the data folder`
`01:03.34`	`brlcad`	`so for whatever reason, something is causing a "couldn't open bounce" message.. maybe something trying to open it as an image or the data dir is borked, or it's completely unrelated, etc`
`01:04.06`	`lan56`	`well only when it calls the SDL_SetGamma function, never other times`
`01:05.56`	`brlcad`	`not sure where setgamma comes into play`
`01:06.02`	`brlcad`	`but from that pastebin`
`01:06.10`	`brlcad`	`it's using the wrong dir`
`01:06.21`	`brlcad`	`on the loading .. /usr/local instead of the data dir`
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`01:19.57`	`lan56`	`well I think I worded that wrong, the full error message I get from bzflag is "Could not set Gamma: Couldn't open bounce."`
`01:21.31`	`brlcad`	`that are possibly two different error messages`
`01:22.54`	`lan56`	`the "Could not set gamma" part comes from bzflag's SDLWindow::setGamma(), the second half comes from SDL_GetError() when SDL_SetGamma() fails`
`01:23.18`	`lan56`	`line 643 in SDLDisplay.cxx`
`01:25.39`	`lan56`	`well I'll figure it out eventually, its probably something with me and not bzflag, plus its a HEAD problem and v2_0branch deserves the bug fixing attention now`
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`01:45.29`	`brlcad`	`and the man of the hour returns`
`01:52.18`	`Tupone`	`brlcad: happy for the topics :)`
`01:52.28`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/.cvsignore: new .cvsignore`
`01:53.21`	`brlcad`	`Tupone: have you tried a clean build, no config?`
`01:53.55`	`Tupone`	`_Manu_ tryed a clean build`
`01:54.10`	`Tupone`	`and main trunk does not have full screen`
`01:54.21`	`Tupone`	`I don't remember branch :/`
`01:54.28`	`brlcad`	`i mean of 2_0branch`
`01:54.36`	`brlcad`	`so we can test to release`
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`01:54.53`	`Sir_Kay_Knight`	`brad2901`
`01:55.10`	`Tupone`	`I see randomly segfault 1/3 for day`
`01:55.18`	`Tupone`	`I mean each any 3 days`
`01:57.14`	`brlcad`	`repeatably so more than usual? :)`
`01:59.48`	`Tupone`	`nope, it has been so in month. well, perhaps less, but it is a probability ...`
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`02:05.11`	`A_Meteorite`	`question`
`02:05.25`	`A_Meteorite`	`is there a way (even by modding the source) to change bzadmin's e-mail string?`
`02:10.44`	`brlcad`	`there's always a way`
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`02:42.40`	`Teppic`	`If I wanted to write the ebuild for 2.0.6, where could I find a dependancy and configure switch list?`
`02:46.52`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/.cvsignore: make it useful`
`02:51.50`	`A_Meteorite`	`brlcad: care to elaborate?`
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`02:52.35`	`brlcad`	`Teppic: the debian config files list similar information (debian or package dir or somesuch)`
`02:52.41`	`A_Meteorite`	`no`
`02:52.50`	`A_Meteorite`	`wrong person :P`
`02:52.56`	`A_Meteorite`	`is there a way (even by modding the source) to change bzadmin's e-mail string?`
`02:53.05`	`brlcad`	`A_Meteorite: not really :) .. just that anything is possible with code`
`02:53.15`	`Teppic`	`brlcad , don't swear in channel de****`
`02:53.26`	`A_Meteorite`	`uhh... do you know how I could then?`
`02:53.30`	`brlcad`	`Teppic: huh?`
`02:53.37`	`Teppic`	`j/k`
`02:53.39`	`brlcad`	`ah`
`02:53.41`	`Teppic`	`Where to find?`
`02:54.00`	`brlcad`	`"(debian or package dir or somesuch)`
`02:54.37`	`Teppic`	`Yeah, if I had debian laying around I'd be busy installing siomething else, where to look online, for a 2.0.4 .deb package or fsomething?`
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`02:55.00`	`brlcad`	`huh? no .. i mean in bz sources, theres a debian or package dir`
`02:55.06`	`brlcad`	`it's in there somewhere, not hard to find`
`02:55.48`	`Teppic`	`Ahh, now I understand, thx....`
`02:55.51`	`brlcad`	`A_Meteorite: how YOU could.. not sure. that depends on a lot`
`02:55.59`	`A_Meteorite`	`umm`
`02:56.05`	`brlcad`	`just that there is a way`
`02:56.06`	`A_Meteorite`	`does bzadmin set it or does bzflag?`
`02:56.22`	`brlcad`	`yes`
`02:56.44`	`A_Meteorite`	`which one?`
`02:57.12`	`brlcad`	`ask an ambiguous question, get an ambiguous answer :P`
`02:58.03`	`A_Meteorite`	`Does bzadmin send it's e-mail string? Or does bzflag know that it's a bzadmin and sets the e-mail string for it?`
`02:58.07`	`brlcad`	`game clients provide their e-mail, think about what that means`
`02:58.10`	`Teppic`	`Can't you just grep through the source looking for the current sting, then change it?`
`02:58.20`	`A_Meteorite`	`well, it's "bzadmin"`
`02:58.24`	`A_Meteorite`	`I would see a lot of stuff`
`02:58.30`	`A_Meteorite`	`...like everything...`
`02:58.41`	`Teppic`	`I doubt as much as you think.`
`03:00.34`	`Teppic`	`8 lines in the bzadmin directory under .ccc files`
`03:00.38`	`Teppic`	`.cxx`
`03:01.11`	`A_Meteorite`	`huh?`
`03:01.46`	`Teppic`	`In the entire bzadmin source folder only 8 lines of code of all the *.cxx files contain the string bzadmin.`
`03:01.50`	`brlcad`	`you've apparently not even tried`
`03:03.51`	`Teppic`	`Is there a know workaround for 'server not found' for 90% of servers tied to connect to?`
`03:03.56`	`Teppic`	`tried*`
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`03:20.57`	`A_Meteorite`	`brlcad: no, I haven't. I figured you someone might of known what line number it's e-mail string is set too`
`03:21.12`	`A_Meteorite`	`*figured someone`
`03:22.33`	`trepan`	`A_Meteorite: no, you figured someone might look it up for you`
`03:22.49`	`A_Meteorite`	`trepan: I'm afraid you're mistaken`
`03:23.08`	`trepan`	`you honesetly thought that someone would remember the line number?`
`03:23.26`	`A_Meteorite`	`If I had known a line number I would of figured the rest out - even a simple "yes, bzadmin sets it's e-mail string" would of helped`
`03:23.40`	`A_Meteorite`	`well, I would think a dev would know`
`03:23.48`	`A_Meteorite`	`or at least know the general place`
`03:23.48`	`trepan`	`then you are daft`
`03:23.50`	`A_Meteorite`	`such the function`
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`03:24.27`	`A_Meteorite`	`even if I knew the general place I would of been happy`
`03:25.05`	`A_Meteorite`	`I don't feel up to looking through thousands of lines of code when I don't even know the variable name`
`03:26.11`	`trepan`	`you read through thousands of lines of code everytime you want to find something?`
`03:26.19`	`A_Meteorite`	`never`
`03:26.25`	`Teppic`	`grep email *.cxx`
`03:26.33`	`Teppic`	`grep bzadmin *.cxx`
`03:26.35`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok`
`03:26.37`	`Teppic`	`grep bzadmin *.`
`03:26.39`	`Teppic`	`grep bzadmin *.h`
`03:27.24`	`Teppic`	`Thats if it IS done client side.`
`03:27.54`	`Teppic`	`oh, grep -n will shoe the line number too.#`
`03:27.58`	`A_Meteorite`	`thanks`
`03:28.15`	`A_Meteorite`	`err`
`03:28.19`	`A_Meteorite`	`it does?`
`03:28.25`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh, I see it`
`03:28.29`	`A_Meteorite`	`after the filename lol`
`03:28.35`	`Teppic`	`grep is your friend, trust me.`
`03:29.45`	`trepan`	`knowing that it's a fixed string, a really crazy person might have used: grep -n \"bzadmin\" .cxx .h`
`03:30.23`	`lan56`	`now who would be rediculous enough to do that?!`
`03:30.48`	`trepan`	`very few in this channel`
`03:31.10`	`Teppic`	`But is " the only accetable c++ string delimiter?`
`03:31.48`	`blast007`	`yeah`
`03:31.53`	`blast007`	`' is for single chars`
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`03:33.08`	`A_Meteorite`	`I don't even know how to modify it now :)`
`03:33.08`	`A_Meteorite`	`hehe`
`03:33.35`	`lan56`	`I give up`
`03:33.37`	`Teppic`	`nano $(grep /"bzadmin/" .cxx .h\|awk {'print $1}')`
`03:33.48`	`A_Meteorite`	`woah`
`03:34.29`	`A_Meteorite`	`lan56: I do not know C++, but I can tell you now if it was a simple variable (such as eMail = bzadmin;) I could of edited it`
`03:35.00`	`A_Meteorite`	`this particularly interests me..`
`03:35.02`	`A_Meteorite`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`03:35.03`	`A_Meteorite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:35.03`	`A_Meteorite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:35.38`	`lan56`	`understandable`
`03:35.48`	`lan56`	`I mean about your comment to me`
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`03:42.26`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh`
`03:42.26`	`A_Meteorite`	`woah`
`03:42.26`	`A_Meteorite`	`I'll see if I can, brb`
`03:42.26`	`Teppic`	`Freenode netsplit, havn't seen one of those for a while.....`
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`14:12.26`	`Gnurdux`	`do you all have a release date at this point?`
`14:12.39`	`Gnurdux`	`if the testing goes well`
`14:13.44`	`CBG`	`Gnurdux: releases are more relaxed than you seem to think.`
`14:13.52`	`Gnurdux`	`ok...`
`14:14.06`	`CBG`	`There's no pressure and it'll be released whenever...`
`14:14.22`	`CBG`	`Its not like "Okay, it HAS to be out by 4PM whether it's ready or not!!"`
`14:14.35`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:14.37`	`CBG`	`It's more like "well, we can go this afternoon if everyone is ready..."`
`14:14.38`	`Gnurdux`	`he put that in`
`14:17.59`	`spldart`	`heh`
`14:18.29`	`Gnurdux`	`that was an important fix that was causing me trouble`
`14:18.51`	`Gnurdux`	`i thought it was a bug in my plugin, then i checked the function closely`
`14:19.19`	`Gnurdux`	`cause i did some debugging and relized that that value always set the wrong one, so i tried to figure out why it might be`
`14:20.26`	`CBG`	`cough`
`14:20.28`	`spldart`	`Your discovery of that bug is legendary methinks.`
`14:20.34`	`Gnurdux`	`sureee`
`14:20.41`	`Gnurdux`	`i was the first plugin to use that function`
`14:20.49`	`Gnurdux`	`thats why it hadnt been found earlier`
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`15:00.54`	`Mr_Molez`	`your a plugin now ?`
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`17:27.42`	`ToughShooter`	`JeffM2501: Is it planned to release builds of 2.0.6 for the 3 major operating systems at the same time?`
`17:27.57`	`JeffM2501`	`that's usualy how we do it, yes`
`17:28.05`	`A_Meteorite`	`And is there a way to get a last-minute patch in?`
`17:28.10`	`JeffM2501`	`what is the patch?`
`17:28.20`	`A_Meteorite`	`well, I'm seeing if I can even do it`
`17:28.26`	`A_Meteorite`	`Teppic challenged me to it`
`17:28.26`	`JeffM2501`	`if it's that iffy`
`17:28.27`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`17:28.33`	`A_Meteorite`	`it adds -email to bzadmin`
`17:28.36`	`A_Meteorite`	`nothing big`
`17:28.38`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`17:28.38`	`A_Meteorite`	`but big for me`
`17:28.41`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok`
`17:28.42`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not critical`
`17:28.50`	`A_Meteorite`	`can it be in for 2.1 then? :)`
`17:28.54`	`JeffM2501`	`sure`
`17:28.57`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok :D`
`17:29.13`	`A_Meteorite`	`I'll get to work on it.. (/me trys to figure it out with his small C++ knowledge)`
`17:29.20`	`crazyme`	`Will 2.1 be the next release, or are we going to do 2.0.7?`
`17:29.33`	`JeffM2501`	`there will be no more 2.0.x rleases after 2.0.6`
`17:29.33`	`A_Meteorite`	`no more 2.0.x releases except for big bugs I heard`
`17:29.39`	`JeffM2501`	`the next release will be 2.2`
`17:29.49`	`JeffM2501`	`and there would have to be a MAJOR bug to make a 2.0.8`
`17:29.51`	`crazyme`	`Okay. Good deal.`
`17:29.56`	`JeffM2501`	`crazyme, we never release odd numbers`
`17:30.00`	`JeffM2501`	`it's allways even`
`17:30.16`	`A_Meteorite`	`for a bugfix wouldn't it be... 2.0.6.2`
`17:30.18`	`A_Meteorite`	`or something?`
`17:30.21`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`17:30.26`	`JeffM2501`	`we don't do 4`
`17:30.29`	`A_Meteorite`	`ahh`
`17:30.32`	`crazyme`	`Yeah, I know. I just wasn't thinking.`
`17:30.35`	`JeffM2501`	`if there was a super ciritcal bug that we had to fix for everyone`
`17:30.37`	`ToughShooter`	`Heh, I found one bug but it is hardly visible, even I forgot what the bug is in 2.x ;)`
`17:30.40`	`JeffM2501`	`it would go out as 2.0.8`
`17:30.50`	`JeffM2501`	`like some large exploit or crash`
`17:30.59`	`DTRemenak`	`which is fairly likely`
`17:31.04`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`17:31.05`	`JeffM2501`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:31.07`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh`
`17:31.20`	`JeffM2501`	`it is one reason we keep pushing it back`
`17:31.24`	`JeffM2501`	`to make sure it's generaly ok`
`17:31.29`	`ToughShooter`	`Or the list server machine dies ;)`
`17:31.35`	`A_Meteorite`	`that's what I thought too`
`17:31.35`	`JeffM2501`	`and didn't release RIGHT when cvs came back`
`17:31.47`	`JeffM2501`	`well we have a little more controll over the list server now`
`17:31.49`	`A_Meteorite`	`I'm downloading the latest CVS`
`17:31.53`	`A_Meteorite`	`I'll play on it a bit`
`17:32.11`	`JeffM2501`	`so we would not have to resort to changing the domain name as quickly as last time`
`17:32.17`	`JeffM2501`	`since Tim dosn't host it anymore`
`17:32.24`	`crazyme`	`What's been up with CVS? I haven't been able to use it since November.`
`17:32.33`	`A_Meteorite`	`I got it now, crazyme`
`17:32.39`	`JeffM2501`	`umm your doing something wrong then`
`17:32.47`	`JeffM2501`	`what cvs client are you using?`
`17:32.52`	`crazyme`	`Maybe it was just the days I was using it...`
`17:33.07`	`crazyme`	`Regular text-based /usr/bin/cvs.`
`17:33.13`	`ToughShooter`	`BTW: What do I need to do to get one list server running at home? PHP, PHPBB and a db engine is very obvious, but what patches for PHPBB?`
`17:33.26`	`DTRemenak`	`should work unpatched`
`17:33.27`	`A_Meteorite`	`ahh, yes, I wanted to do that one time too`
`17:33.33`	`JeffM2501`	`ToughShooter, to just run a list server, a normal phpbb is fine`
`17:33.41`	`DTRemenak`	`the list server reads phpbb's normal tables`
`17:33.51`	`JeffM2501`	`crazyme, make sure your doing it like the cvs access page says to do it`
`17:34.18`	`JeffM2501`	`anyone hear from tupone?`
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`17:34.42`	`crazyme`	`It should just be export CVS_RSH, and cvs update once I've got it local, which I do.`
`17:34.53`	`JeffM2501`	`you use dev CVS?`
`17:35.00`	`crazyme`	`No.`
`17:35.04`	`crazyme`	`I'm not a dev...`
`17:35.05`	`JeffM2501`	`then you don't need the export`
`17:35.13`	`JeffM2501`	`are you trying EXT or pserver?`
`17:35.15`	`A_Meteorite`	`I really wish I had dev access. :)`
`17:35.17`	`crazyme`	`Oh, good point. I'm used to using it anyway.`
`17:35.18`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh`
`17:35.23`	`JeffM2501`	`use pserver`
`17:35.25`	`crazyme`	`pserver.`
`17:35.26`	`A_Meteorite`	`(just for the instant updates)`
`17:35.47`	`ToughShooter`	`Yes, then only the part which gives comfirmation for account (user activation) and the register form itself should need to be patched in PHPBB to enable backup mirrors`
`17:36.44`	`ToughShooter`	`It is just that I asked menotume once and got the reply that he would need a week to set something like this up`
`17:37.05`	`JeffM2501`	`difrent people have difrent amounts of free time`
`17:37.06`	`A_Meteorite`	`ToughShooter: do you mind me asking why you want your own listserver?`
`17:37.18`	`JeffM2501`	`so he can help us make it better :)`
`17:37.25`	`A_Meteorite`	`ahh :)`
`17:37.46`	`ToughShooter`	`I want that there is no catastrophe when one listserver goes down`
`17:37.54`	`A_Meteorite`	`Ah.`
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`17:38.17`	`A_Meteorite`	`"JeffM2501: anyone hear from tupone?" Hehe`
`17:38.27`	`A_Meteorite`	`Hi, Tupone`
`17:38.35`	`JeffM2501`	`being precognisant is fun :)`
`17:38.38`	`ToughShooter`	`Ciao Tupone`
`17:38.39`	`JeffM2501`	`sup tupy`
`17:39.02`	`Tupone`	`sup? nothing ... topic seems good`
`17:39.14`	`JeffM2501`	`are you able to run ok on a clean build?`
`17:39.40`	`Tupone`	`Well, I have not tested. I did just update and is ok`
`17:39.56`	`JeffM2501`	`can you test for a bit? just to be sure?`
`17:40.05`	`JeffM2501`	`I've tested on mac, win, and linux and it seems ok`
`17:40.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I didn't host any servers tho`
`17:40.46`	`A_Meteorite`	`I'm building a full install of anon cvs`
`17:40.53`	`A_Meteorite`	`I can start a server up and see what breaks`
`17:41.03`	`A_Meteorite`	`(Mac)`
`17:41.12`	`ToughShooter`	`A_Meteorite: Anon CVS is outdated!`
`17:41.15`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd like to see a couple good games on a couple of server just to be sure before we release`
`17:41.18`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah anon isn't updated`
`17:41.22`	`A_Meteorite`	`How old?`
`17:41.32`	`JeffM2501`	`probably 1/2 a month`
`17:41.33`	`A_Meteorite`	`Isn't it just a few hours?`
`17:41.34`	`ToughShooter`	`Around 2 weeks`
`17:41.35`	`A_Meteorite`	`...!!!`
`17:41.45`	`A_Meteorite`	`OK... then I can't really do anything for testing.`
`17:41.45`	`JeffM2501`	`it hasn't synced since the outage`
`17:41.51`	`crazyme`	`Any idea when you'll get 2.0.6 out?`
`17:41.52`	`Tupone`	`I tested, and I get randomly fault but not so frequently, and is not from recent changes`
`17:42.02`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm`
`17:42.06`	`JeffM2501`	`it'd be nice to find that fault`
`17:42.08`	`A_Meteorite`	`What about a source tarball of current dev CVS?`
`17:42.16`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite, there isn't one`
`17:42.21`	`crazyme`	`I imagine it all depends on how the testing goes...`
`17:42.22`	`A_Meteorite`	`Can you host one?`
`17:42.27`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`17:42.27`	`A_Meteorite`	`like.. umm`
`17:42.30`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok`
`17:42.30`	`ToughShooter`	`Patience patience, wait till the release :p`
`17:42.39`	`A_Meteorite`	`Well, I just wanted to help... somehow.`
`17:42.41`	`JeffM2501`	`well I'm thinking we do a practice run`
`17:42.49`	`A_Meteorite`	`Not that I was jumping into 2.0.6`
`17:42.56`	`JeffM2501`	`build a set of tarballs, zips, installers, mac, and debian etc..`
`17:42.57`	`JeffM2501`	`and post em`
`17:43.09`	`JeffM2501`	`and let people play with the "release candidate" for a day`
`17:43.13`	`A_Meteorite`	`ahh`
`17:43.15`	`A_Meteorite`	`that sounds awesome`
`17:43.17`	`Tupone`	`JeffM2501, I play enough on the day, and most day is fine, so I have no hints on what is. valgrind is fine too,`
`17:43.21`	`ToughShooter`	`2.0.6 will crash on my ibook, I know ;)`
`17:43.46`	`crazyme`	`2.0.6 might crash me iMac. I hope not though...`
`17:43.46`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, do you want to do one more "beta" release? or say just go to doing the big deal?`
`17:44.12`	`ToughShooter`	`Somewhere in 2.0.3 was a change that made it crashing and freezing all the time on my ibook..it seems to be a hardware issue`
`17:44.35`	`cosmos`	`2.0.4 crashes alot on my emac`
`17:44.48`	`ToughShooter`	`Does it just freeze, too?`
`17:44.59`	`JeffM2501`	`have any of you built your own and tried to debug it to see where it crashes?`
`17:45.02`	`Tupone`	`if dev promise not to change the 2.0.6 and leave the branch only for real fault, I will deliver the 2.0.6 today too`
`17:45.26`	`cosmos`	`jeff: i havnet been home more than 3 hours a day in the last 6 months :)`
`17:45.28`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, ok, then I'll start working on making a good final windows installer`
`17:45.36`	`TD-Linux`	`remember to change the version number too :)`
`17:45.38`	`JeffM2501`	`updating libs etc..`
`17:45.44`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`17:45.44`	`A_Meteorite`	`TD-Linux: Hehe`
`17:45.47`	`ToughShooter`	`When it crashes all goes boom..even the debugger crashes, too`
`17:45.54`	`JeffM2501`	`well we also need brlcad`
`17:46.10`	`JeffM2501`	`ToughShooter, if the debuger crashes, then your probably dying in a driver or something`
`17:47.28`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, I did a compare between CVS and the tree I had on a USB flash drive from the outage. it all looked good`
`17:47.38`	`ToughShooter`	`Whatever, it is no problem in daily use, as I use something with a little bit more power to play nowadays`
`17:49.01`	`cosmos`	`WHEN WILL 2.0.7 BE OUT?? :)`
`17:49.05`	`JeffM2501`	`never`
`17:49.07`	`A_Meteorite`	`There will be none`
`17:49.11`	`A_Meteorite`	`he`
`17:49.13`	`A_Meteorite`	`*heh`
`17:49.17`	`JeffM2501`	`we don't ship odd ones`
`17:49.18`	`ToughShooter`	`sarcasm`
`17:49.24`	`JeffM2501`	`2.0.6 is the last of the line`
`17:49.30`	`cosmos`	`but i want to start begging for the next release now`
`17:49.32`	`crazyme`	`Will 2.0.6 work on my 1998 iBook?`
`17:49.40`	`cosmos`	`maybe 10 forum topics about it too`
`17:49.41`	`JeffM2501`	`cosmos, we are done with 2.0.x`
`17:49.42`	`crazyme`	`It has to be windowed...`
`17:49.47`	`ToughShooter`	`All big letters and a smiley is obvious enough, is it? ;)`
`17:49.48`	`Tupone`	`I still wonder why I don't have full screen on main trunk :/ Have not investigated yet`
`17:49.59`	`JeffM2501`	`cosmos, that's probably a limit on your GL chipset, and will never work right`
`17:50.15`	`crazyme`	`Yeah, that's the emac for you.`
`17:50.25`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, I moved some stuff around in head.. I may have busted it`
`17:50.37`	`cosmos`	`it craps on the mini, powermac g4 too`
`17:50.48`	`A_Meteorite`	`uh oh`
`17:50.48`	`cosmos`	`but its not a big deal, itusually takes quite some time`
`17:51.00`	`JeffM2501`	`I built yesterday and it ran fine on the mac mini`
`17:51.12`	`A_Meteorite`	`G4 or Intel?`
`17:51.16`	`JeffM2501`	`g4`
`17:51.16`	`ToughShooter`	`cosmos: Starts after 30 minutes, for you, too?`
`17:51.26`	`Tupone`	`JeffM2501, if 2.0.6 have some fixes needed after shipping, I 'd ship 2.0.8 in month, but I want there just crash fixes.`
`17:51.30`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd never get an intell mac`
`17:51.33`	`cosmos`	`tough definately after 30 sometmes hours later`
`17:51.44`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, I'd only say if the crashes are common`
`17:51.51`	`Tupone`	`yep, ok`
`17:51.55`	`A_Meteorite`	`JeffM2501: They're the future, though, no way of escaping it.`
`17:51.56`	`JeffM2501`	`but I don't see 2.0.8 having any new features`
`17:52.07`	`cosmos`	`i will build my own version soon as i get some free time`
`17:52.13`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite, I menat a mini`
`17:52.19`	`A_Meteorite`	`Ahh`
`17:52.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't do intel video`
`17:52.26`	`ToughShooter`	`cosmos: Then we are likely to talk about the same bug.`
`17:52.30`	`Tupone`	`yep I had to saying mainly that, no new feature`
`17:52.51`	`Mr_Molez`	`can the windows release be built with glew support ?`
`17:52.59`	`JeffM2501`	`yes that is the default now Mr_Molez`
`17:53.04`	`Mr_Molez`	`good good`
`17:53.08`	`JeffM2501`	`the last beta had glew`
`17:53.11`	`ToughShooter`	`Intel Macs are something to be used in 2009, not sooner ;)`
`17:53.28`	`cosmos`	`what about the apple // ProDos release`
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`17:53.36`	`A_Meteorite`	`Too bad no older cards have glew support. :(`
`17:53.40`	`JeffM2501`	`if they had put an ATI X1800 in the new mini, I'd have goten them`
`17:53.55`	`crazyme`	`I doubt they could have fit it in...`
`17:53.56`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite, it's not "glew" support, glew just tells us what the card does support`
`17:53.57`	`A_Meteorite`	`that would of been a squeeze`
`17:54.12`	`JeffM2501`	`older cards just don't support anisotropic`
`17:54.16`	`A_Meteorite`	`JeffM2501: How about a Radeon 9600 128MB?`
`17:54.18`	`A_Meteorite`	`ah`
`17:54.28`	`JeffM2501`	`no a radeon would be a little slower`
`17:54.35`	`ToughShooter`	`The new mini seems to slower for a lot of tasks and the graphics is with OS X's inefficient drivers not really fast`
`17:54.50`	`JeffM2501`	`I think they could have fit a downclocked X800 or 1800 in there`
`17:55.03`	`JeffM2501`	`ToughShooter, that's because the CPU does allmost all the drawing :)`
`17:55.05`	`A_Meteorite`	`I would think it's the sheer size of the PCB`
`17:55.08`	`A_Meteorite`	`the card itself`
`17:55.13`	`crazyme`	`How about a Quadro FX 4500 512mg? ;)`
`17:55.20`	`A_Meteorite`	`crazyme: hehe`
`17:55.20`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite, mini's don't have cards`
`17:55.24`	`JeffM2501`	`they are onboard`
`17:55.32`	`A_Meteorite`	`JeffM2501: I know, but if they did, that would be too big.`
`17:55.37`	`ToughShooter`	`The G4 CPU has cost 48$, now what does the intel one cost?`
`17:55.39`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't think so`
`17:55.54`	`JeffM2501`	`ToughShooter, probably about the same or a little more, but they have 2 cores`
`17:56.37`	`JeffM2501`	`they fit an X1900 in the imac`
`17:56.44`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm sure they could have worked something out`
`17:56.46`	`A_Meteorite`	`woah`
`17:56.50`	`JeffM2501`	`but they went and cut the corners`
`17:56.54`	`crazyme`	`The iMac is 1.5 inches thick.`
`17:57.00`	`ToughShooter`	`The imac is a desktop product`
`17:57.06`	`crazyme`	`And 20" across...`
`17:57.18`	`JeffM2501`	`a lot of that thickness is screen tho`
`17:57.23`	`JeffM2501`	`I think they could have done it`
`17:57.26`	`JeffM2501`	`if they tried`
`17:57.37`	`JeffM2501`	`they could not have it the 600$ price point tho`
`17:57.41`	`crazyme`	`Not too much. Only about .5"`
`17:57.42`	`JeffM2501`	`would have been nice as an option`
`17:57.51`	`crazyme`	`Very true.`
`17:58.13`	`ToughShooter`	`I would get one instantly if there would be some decent graphics thingy (or at least a slot) in the mini`
`17:58.36`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd replace my current mini with one, cus it has a full size drive`
`17:58.43`	`crazyme`	`Just get an iMac. Or even better, a PowerMac. :)`
`17:58.52`	`crazyme`	`Quad G5.`
`17:58.53`	`JeffM2501`	`I have no room for ether of those`
`17:59.05`	`JeffM2501`	`why? when a PC is cheaper and faster`
`17:59.15`	`crazyme`	`Depends on what you're doing.`
`17:59.26`	`JeffM2501`	`playing MP3s :)`
`17:59.34`	`JeffM2501`	`doing the ocasional bzflag build`
`17:59.45`	`crazyme`	`Anything can do that. I'll send you a 200mgz Pentium Pro.`
`17:59.55`	`JeffM2501`	`those take up space`
`18:00.03`	`JeffM2501`	`the mini is nice cus it does that and is smaller then hell`
`18:00.04`	`crazyme`	`Not much.`
`18:00.16`	`crazyme`	`True. True.`
`18:00.17`	`JeffM2501`	`I've allready got 3 cases under the desk`
`18:00.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't want another`
`18:00.31`	`crazyme`	`Only 3? I would have thought more.`
`18:00.32`	`JeffM2501`	`one of the cases is way bigger then a G5`
`18:00.51`	`JeffM2501`	`server, main PC, second PC, mini, laptop`
`18:00.55`	`JeffM2501`	`that's all I have here`
`18:01.05`	`crazyme`	`A G5 was designed to be as small as possible.`
`18:01.14`	`JeffM2501`	`I know all about the G5's`
`18:01.16`	`JeffM2501`	`we have them at work`
`18:01.27`	`crazyme`	`Cool.`
`18:01.37`	`JeffM2501`	`for the things I do, my dual core AMD kicks it's ass`
`18:01.40`	`crazyme`	`I wish I had one. I know just about everything short of actually owning one.`
`18:01.41`	`ToughShooter`	`They are big..and ugly looking but they do their job`
`18:03.01`	`JeffM2501`	`and cost more then a PC that does that same job ;)`
`18:03.32`	`ToughShooter`	`Well, I think that's typical..nothing to extra-mention`
`18:03.39`	`crazyme`	`I do tons of 64bit calculations, so I need that 64 bit base. I'd use AMD, but I really like the G5s. Unfortunatelly, I'm stuck with a P4, which runs like mud on 64bit stuff.`
`18:03.42`	`JeffM2501`	`and they don't do SLI`
`18:04.03`	`JeffM2501`	`if you have specific needs I'm sure specific hardware helps`
`18:04.14`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah many of the P4's kinda suck`
`18:04.18`	`ToughShooter`	`64 bit is not always good, mysql has a nasty bug in 64 bit mode on my box for example`
`18:04.27`	`JeffM2501`	`the core duo chip is the only one with promice`
`18:04.38`	`crazyme`	`Yes, that's true. But then, 32 bit wasn't always good either.`
`18:05.05`	`ToughShooter`	`Graphic cards are actually on 256 bit nowadays`
`18:05.13`	`JeffM2501`	`I mean for 2 grand I can get a kick ass AMD system`
`18:05.14`	`crazyme`	`Don't forget the Xeon. The Duo won't replace it anytime soon.`
`18:05.28`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm talking desktops`
`18:05.35`	`crazyme`	`Okay.`
`18:05.41`	`JeffM2501`	`the opteron may replace the Xeon ;)`
`18:05.53`	`crazyme`	`In that case, either an AMD or a Duo will rule.`
`18:05.55`	`crazyme`	`lol`
`18:06.20`	`JeffM2501`	`it'll be interesting to see what they put in the G5 replacement`
`18:06.46`	`_Manu_`	`VIA cpu? k`
`18:06.54`	`JeffM2501`	`AMD geode`
`18:07.03`	`crazyme`	`Yes it will. I think they'll stay with G5s in the servers for another year or two though.`
`18:07.21`	`ToughShooter`	`Nothing appropriate yet..see, they don't even put the 3GHZ G5s (they are really available now!) into it because "too good"`
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`18:11.20`	`JeffM2501`	`crazyme, actualy they stated full transition this year`
`18:11.23`	`crazyme`	`Well, IBM will continue to make the largest supercomputers in the world, so I doubt that Apple leaving them will have any great effect on the production of the G5.`
`18:11.52`	`crazyme`	`I know, but I never saw them mention the Xserve systems.`
`18:12.12`	`JeffM2501`	`it does them no good to maintain dual compile lines for any longer then they have to`
`18:12.16`	`JeffM2501`	`it's added support cost`
`18:12.25`	`crazyme`	`Believe me, I'm a Mac-o-holic. I watch every single keynote presentation, preferably the day that it comes out.`
`18:12.42`	`JeffM2501`	`give it a year, and you won't remmeber the PPC, just like you've forgoten the 680x0 ;)`
`18:12.53`	`JeffM2501`	`remember that CPU?`
`18:12.58`	`crazyme`	`That's true. But I still wonder if they're going to give up the 64bit architecture.`
`18:13.04`	`JeffM2501`	`apple is good at fast transitions ;)`
`18:13.13`	`crazyme`	`Oh yeah. :)`
`18:13.17`	`crazyme`	`That's true.`
`18:13.25`	`JeffM2501`	`64 buit apps don't do much for your average joe`
`18:13.27`	`ToughShooter`	`They also won't have much sells of xserve's with x86 CPUs..already a lot of combat in that area`
`18:13.59`	`crazyme`	`Your average Joe doesn't buy an Xserve either...`
`18:14.20`	`JeffM2501`	`AMD has found that many 32 bit apps run faster on 64 bit machines, and 32bit OSs, cus the CPU can bundle stuff up and do 2 things at a time, instead of all pointers bing 64bits and wasting space and bandwith`
`18:14.49`	`JeffM2501`	`if your not needing the extra space from 64 bit, it dosn't give you much, and can even slow you down`
`18:15.06`	`ToughShooter`	`EMT64 means also a few architecture cleanups, IIRC ;)`
`18:16.20`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, can you make me another tarball? so I can verify we still build from it?`
`18:16.36`	`Tupone`	`:( not at home actually`
`18:16.38`	`ToughShooter`	`Can AMD CPUs execute both 64bit and 32bit code at the same time (without a reboot or something silimar)?`
`18:16.39`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh ok`
`18:16.51`	`JeffM2501`	`ToughShooter, I belive so`
`18:16.57`	`JeffM2501`	`IIRC they do that in linux all the time`
`18:17.26`	`linuxclub`	`ToughShooter, any task can be 64 or 32 bit, no way to switch IIRC`
`18:17.54`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah you can't swap a thread from 64 to 32`
`18:18.01`	`linuxclub`	`but in the system can be 32 bit tasks and 64 bit tasks`
`18:18.02`	`JeffM2501`	`but you can have 64 and 32's at the same time`
`18:18.09`	`linuxclub`	`gmta`
`18:18.18`	`JeffM2501`	`just in difrent languages ;)`
`18:18.27`	`ToughShooter`	`huh? So is it possible to have one 64 bit app running and same time a 32 bit one?`
`18:18.32`	`JeffM2501`	`sure`
`18:18.35`	`crazyme`	`Of course.`
`18:18.42`	`JeffM2501`	`there is a 32bit set of libs`
`18:18.51`	`JeffM2501`	`that implement the system calls for 32bit apps`
`18:18.57`	`crazyme`	`16 bit apps run on 32bit Windows machines all the time. Same deal with 64/32.`
`18:19.02`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`18:19.18`	`JeffM2501`	`linuxclub, so you have time to help me with a linux problem?`
`18:19.30`	`ToughShooter`	`Good to know :)`
`18:19.37`	`crazyme`	`In fact, there are even 1 or 2 8 bit apps on windows. You just have to look hard. And they may have taken them out of XP.`
`18:19.42`	`linuxclub`	`ToughShooter, to help my desktop, I run my laptop (64 bit) and start a chroot-32 bit where I run distcc :)`
`18:20.40`	`meacan`	`We need an admin to help out at dub, there is a tk, and noone got admin priv`
`18:21.09`	`Mr_Molez`	`whats wrong with a poll :)`
`18:21.32`	`linuxclub`	`JeffM2501, what problem, I can have few minutes`
`18:21.35`	`crazyme`	`Poll may not be working.`
`18:21.47`	`JeffM2501`	`I changed monitors on my main system`
`18:21.51`	`crazyme`	`Or it could be disallowd.`
`18:21.58`	`JeffM2501`	`when I boot to linux X won't let me to to the right res`
`18:22.07`	`JeffM2501`	`it won't go higher then 1280x1024`
`18:22.20`	`linuxclub`	`/etc/X11/xorg.conf`
`18:22.23`	`ToughShooter`	`meacan: I only have privs on viper..at dub no one trusts me`
`18:22.26`	`crazyme`	`Have you set the correct monitor?`
`18:22.38`	`JeffM2501`	`I went into the xorg config and added 1920x1200 but it won't show up in the KDE or Gnome desktop res controlls`
`18:22.50`	`crazyme`	`That's a big deal with X. It doesn't like it when your monitor isn't set properly.`
`18:23.04`	`linuxclub`	`hmm, try X -configure`
`18:23.17`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`18:23.32`	`JeffM2501`	`as soon as I remember what kernel works ;)`
`18:23.44`	`linuxclub`	`it should create a xorg.conf.new in the root home`
`18:23.55`	`JeffM2501`	`ok then I'll just replace it`
`18:24.00`	`JeffM2501`	`thanks`
`18:24.09`	`linuxclub`	`better change the mouse device before`
`18:24.27`	`JeffM2501`	`?`
`18:24.29`	`linuxclub`	`and look at it for other strangeness`
`18:24.40`	`JeffM2501`	`why change the mouse?`
`18:24.41`	`linuxclub`	`mouse is not recognized`
`18:25.00`	`JeffM2501`	`ok so just copy over the display stuff from the new generated config to the old one?`
`18:25.20`	`linuxclub`	`yeah, better see the difference`
`18:25.42`	`linuxclub`	`mouse should be something like /dev/input/mice`
`18:26.14`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`18:29.19`	`JeffM2501`	`how does one kill X?`
`18:29.57`	`crazyme`	`Easiest way is init 3. That knocks you out of text mode. You could also try service x stop`
`18:30.04`	`meacan`	`.. and now a tk'er on valentino.hepcat :(`
`18:30.15`	`bryjen`	`log in to a text virtual console and change the runlevel`
`18:30.30`	`JeffM2501`	`how do I change the runlevel?`
`18:30.37`	`crazyme`	`init <runlevel>`
`18:30.38`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm in a text console`
`18:30.39`	`bryjen`	`telinit #`
`18:30.53`	`bryjen`	`where # is a number, usually 2 or 3`
`18:31.05`	`crazyme`	`Or 5 for graphical.`
`18:32.04`	`JeffM2501`	`3 didn't kill X`
`18:32.13`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh telinit`
`18:32.22`	`crazyme`	`You can also manually kill it, but that's not advised.`
`18:32.44`	`bryjen`	`telinit and init may do the same thing`
`18:33.03`	`crazyme`	`init has more options, but the way you're using it, they're the same.`
`18:33.06`	`JeffM2501`	`it won't let me run X -configure when X is running`
`18:33.14`	`crazyme`	`Are you root?`
`18:33.17`	`JeffM2501`	`sudo`
`18:33.21`	`crazyme`	`No, it never does...`
`18:33.26`	`crazyme`	`You need to be su -`
`18:33.32`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`18:33.42`	`JeffM2501`	`umm ubuntu have a root?`
`18:33.56`	`crazyme`	`Oh, you're on ubuntu.`
`18:34.00`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`18:34.09`	`bryjen`	`disabled by default, iirc. they want you to use sudo`
`18:34.24`	`crazyme`	`Never used ubuntu. I'll have to stick with sudo then.`
`18:34.37`	`JeffM2501`	`how can I manualy kill it?`
`18:34.39`	`crazyme`	`try init 2.`
`18:34.57`	`crazyme`	`That kills your internet, if you're worried about that...`
`18:35.11`	`JeffM2501`	`no X is still running`
`18:35.21`	`crazyme`	`to manually kill it, you do a pgrep X`
`18:35.26`	`bryjen`	`not necessarily, what's in what runlevels is distro specific`
`18:35.37`	`crazyme`	`Then kill whatever pid it comes up with.`
`18:36.39`	`crazyme`	`If it doesn't go, try kill -9 and the PID>`
`18:37.55`	`JeffM2501`	`it tells me that it's missing output drivers and configure failed`
`18:38.14`	`crazyme`	`Ooh, that's odd. Let me google it real quick.`
`18:38.41`	`JeffM2501`	`wonder if I can force apt to reconfigure it`
`18:39.45`	`crazyme`	`Possible.`
`18:40.35`	`JeffM2501`	`if orchid was here she could just tell me what the settings are ;)`
`18:40.40`	`bryjen`	`sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
`18:41.04`	`JeffM2501`	`says it's not installed`
`18:42.52`	`JeffM2501`	`oh nm I'm retarded`
`18:43.24`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm into it`
`18:44.05`	`crazyme`	`Google says that if that the no output driver error happens when your x.conf can't be read(i.e. You don't have one)`
`18:45.27`	`JeffM2501`	`is it GLCore or GLX that you remove from the config for nvidias?`
`18:46.27`	`bryjen`	`my config still lists glx, so not that`
`18:46.56`	`crazyme`	`Beats me. The only machine that I have that has an NVidia is too old to update the drivers, and FC set up X for me.`
`18:47.15`	`crazyme`	`The machine isn't too old, it's the card...`
`18:47.34`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah it was glCore`
`18:48.52`	`JeffM2501`	`wonder if there is any KDE or gnome configs that limit the res too`
`18:49.17`	`crazyme`	`They run seperate resolution setting.`
`18:49.26`	`JeffM2501`	`where are they set?`
`18:49.46`	`crazyme`	`I'm not sure. I think it's in ~/.KDE`
`18:50.39`	`JeffM2501`	`now I'm down to 1024x768 :(`
`18:51.05`	`crazyme`	`That's better than 600x450. :)`
`18:51.14`	`crazyme`	`Or 20 line text mode.`
`18:51.15`	`JeffM2501`	`I was at 1280x900 before`
`18:51.26`	`bryjen`	`i don't think the DE's do anything to the res`
`18:51.27`	`JeffM2501`	`and at least that hit my aspect`
`18:51.54`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe it's time to just reinstall`
`18:51.58`	`Chestal`	`KDE and gnome can both use Xrand to switch res on the fly`
`18:51.59`	`bryjen`	`pastebin your x config file?`
`18:52.06`	`Chestal`	`but only between the pre-configured res I guess`
`18:52.07`	`JeffM2501`	`I do have a bunch of bad kernels`
`18:52.13`	`crazyme`	`Is that Xrand?`
`18:52.31`	`Chestal`	`there is also xrand command lin eutility to do that, but I never used it`
`18:53.00`	`crazyme`	`No, the desktops must be something else. I can go higher with the desktop than I can with the X Server. Don't know how...`
`18:53.10`	`crazyme`	`It's all GUI stuff.`
`18:53.57`	`JeffM2501`	`www.pastebin.com/649961`
`18:56.18`	`bryjen`	`that looks ok`
`18:56.44`	`JeffM2501`	`but gnome and kde only go up to 1024`
`18:56.50`	`bryjen`	`unless it needs a specific mode entry that defines all the timing details`
`18:57.02`	`JeffM2501`	`it's DVI, why would it need timing?`
`18:58.29`	`crazyme`	`I've got to go. Good luck with that X server.`
`18:59.08`	`crazyme`	`And could you please get 2.0.6 out today or tomorrow? Pretty please? ;)`
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`19:05.52`	`bryjen`	`JeffM2501: you've got the same monitor as orchid?`
`19:05.59`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`19:06.08`	`JeffM2501`	`the dell 24 inch`
`19:06.20`	`bryjen`	`http://bzgirl.bakadigital.com/archives/2005/06/2005/06/#e2005-06-04T21_14_53.txt`
`19:06.34`	`JeffM2501`	`404`
`19:06.47`	`bryjen`	`bah`
`19:06.53`	`bryjen`	`http://bzgirl.bakadigital.com/archives/2005/06/`
`19:07.02`	`bryjen`	`June 04`
`19:07.24`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh a modeline`
`19:07.33`	`JeffM2501`	`heh she freaking bloged it :)`
`19:07.56`	`JeffM2501`	`thanks`
`19:08.06`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll give that a try as soon as I have breakfast :)`
`19:08.40`	`JeffM2501`	`I had been searching for X11 1920x1200 in google, and the mostly said "find the mode for your display"`
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`20:27.29`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi src/date/buildDate.cxx): set version to 2.0.6 release candidate while instealler and build testing happens.`
`20:29.09`	`JeffM2501`	`instealler!? wtf`
`20:29.20`	`JeffM2501`	`man I should probably eat something`
`20:29.32`	`_Manu_`	`heh`
`20:32.35`	`JeffM2501`	`you bastage.... I was saving that raw fish for weeks`
`20:33.00`	`DTRemenak`	`hehehe`
`20:33.02`	`JeffM2501`	`you linuxed or windows?`
`20:34.00`	`DTRemenak`	`windows`
`20:34.08`	`DTRemenak`	`at the moment`
`20:34.23`	`JeffM2501`	`feel like linuxing? ;)`
`20:34.27`	`JeffM2501`	`I need a tarball`
`20:34.51`	`DTRemenak`	`what kind of tarball?`
`20:35.09`	`DTRemenak`	`and don't you have a linux box?`
`20:35.11`	`DTRemenak`	`or mac?`
`20:35.25`	`JeffM2501`	`I HAD a linux box till about an hour ago :)`
`20:35.32`	`JeffM2501`	`and I don't trust the tosh`
`20:35.33`	`DTRemenak`	`hahaha`
`20:35.44`	`CBG`	`he instealled something and poof`
`20:35.45`	`DTRemenak`	`what do you need a tarball of?`
`20:35.48`	`CBG`	`no more linux box.`
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`20:36.02`	`JeffM2501`	`a bzflag dist tarball of branch source`
`20:36.20`	`DTRemenak`	`ok, updating now`
`20:36.24`	`JeffM2501`	`I was trying to get X to work with the big ass display`
`20:36.34`	`JeffM2501`	`but it got all unstable`
`20:36.40`	`JeffM2501`	`and I had removed some kernels`
`20:36.43`	`JeffM2501`	`I think I jacked something up`
`20:36.47`	`JeffM2501`	`so I'll just redo it`
`20:37.01`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, server hdd is making some mighty strange noises`
`20:37.20`	`DTRemenak`	`don't sound like dying noises though`
`20:37.39`	`DTRemenak`	`k, make dist is running`
`20:37.57`	`JeffM2501`	`thanks`
`20:38.34`	`JeffM2501`	`gouing to post an "RC" tarball, zip, and win binary to let people test`
`20:38.47`	`JeffM2501`	`till brlcad shows up and he says the tosh is ready`
`20:43.36`	`DTRemenak`	`always found it funny that that bsd running on that server at 550mhz does make dist in about half the time of mingw on my 1700...`
`20:43.46`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`20:44.32`	`DTRemenak`	`make: don't know how to make installer_2.0.nsi. Stop`
`20:44.37`	`JeffM2501`	`I was playing on windows build for like half an hour on various servers with various settings, ran fine, no crashes.. s`
`20:44.42`	`JeffM2501`	`why would it try that`
`20:44.47`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, you ready for a release?`
`20:44.51`	`brlcad`	`sure`
`20:45.05`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak's trying a make dist now`
`20:45.12`	`brlcad`	`already have a build going to test`
`20:45.15`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`20:45.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I posted an "RC1"`
`20:45.31`	`brlcad`	`had to mod the build system for the isnan stuff`
`20:45.38`	`brlcad`	`forgot that was all head`
`20:45.48`	`JeffM2501`	`ok, so you'll want to commit that before the final`
`20:45.58`	`JeffM2501`	`tupone said he seemed "ok"`
`20:46.09`	`JeffM2501`	`and that cvs was not corupted`
`20:46.10`	`brlcad`	`yeah`
`20:46.32`	`JeffM2501`	`have I told you how much I love my iPod doc thingy with remote?`
`20:49.02`	`Mr_Molez`	`I think mode +o Mr_Molez would be a good way of celebrating your ipod doc thingy :)`
`20:49.24`	`CBG`	`As would /mode +b Mr_Molez ;)`
`20:49.44`	`brlcad`	`actually you hadn't`
`20:49.54`	`JeffM2501`	`it's so very cool`
`20:50.10`	`JeffM2501`	`the downloaded TV shows look prety darn nice for 100 meg files`
`20:50.30`	`Mr_Molez`	`JeffM2501: you paid royalties right :) ?`
`20:50.36`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`20:50.42`	`JeffM2501`	`got them off iTunes`
`20:50.43`	`brlcad`	`yeah, I've been really close to considering cancelling the cable line and just buying shows ala carte`
`20:50.53`	`JeffM2501`	`they need just a few more shows`
`20:51.01`	`JeffM2501`	`like stargate and mythbusters ;)`
`20:51.06`	`brlcad`	`for how much tv I watch, I'd actually save money`
`20:51.20`	`JeffM2501`	`Mr_Molez, got a full season of "the office" for 12$`
`20:51.27`	`brlcad`	`yeah seriously.. if they had stargate and maybe a couple other sf shows, I'd do it`
`20:51.35`	`CBG`	`mythbusters rocks :D`
`20:51.45`	`JeffM2501`	`they have some SF channel shows now, I'm sure they'll add more`
`20:51.54`	`CBG`	`British "the office" or american?`
`20:51.58`	`JeffM2501`	`american`
`20:52.02`	`JeffM2501`	`I have the british on DVD`
`20:52.05`	`Mr_Molez`	`JeffM2501: whats best, the american version or the british version of the office`
`20:52.06`	`JeffM2501`	`since last year`
`20:52.09`	`CBG`	`'cause the british series sucked VERY badly :/`
`20:52.21`	`Mr_Molez`	`CBG: wasn't that bad`
`20:52.25`	`JeffM2501`	`Mr_Molez, so far I prefer the british one, but I hear the american one comes into it's own in season 2`
`20:52.34`	`CBG`	`well, certainly wasn't very good.`
`20:52.36`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a difrent type of humor, I found it halarious`
`20:52.44`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, you've never worked in an office :)`
`20:52.57`	`JeffM2501`	`you kind of have to to get it`
`20:53.01`	`CBG`	`bleh`
`20:53.35`	`JeffM2501`	`mostly it was a cheap season that I had been pondering geting on DVD, and it was a lot cheaper`
`20:53.38`	`JeffM2501`	`so its' my test show`
`20:53.41`	`JeffM2501`	`to try on the iPod`
`20:54.15`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, I did accedentaly grab my dead iPod shuffle instead of the new apple remote a couple times`
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`20:56.42`	`brlcad`	`heh`
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`21:18.08`	`BinarySpike`	`Who created spiralzone?`
`21:19.11`	`CBG`	`BinarySpike: hey, I don't think you can ask that...`
`21:19.19`	`BinarySpike`	`why?`
`21:19.32`	`CBG`	`Well, it depends why you are asking.`
`21:19.50`	`BinarySpike`	`cause it's part of the bzcontest and I have no idea`
`21:19.59`	`CBG`	`Then, no. Don't cheat.`
`21:20.04`	`BinarySpike`	`it's not cheating`
`21:20.09`	`a_temp_dist`	`sure it us`
`21:20.10`	`a_temp_dist`	`is`
`21:20.11`	`CBG`	`It is.`
`21:20.11`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/Makefile.am: bzfs.sln no longer exists`
`21:20.12`	`DTRemenak`	`...`
`21:25.20`	`brlcad`	`BinarySpike: JBdiGriz did`
`21:25.32`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: where do you want these tarballs?`
`21:25.34`	`brlcad`	`oh wait, i'm not supposed to say that, never mind`
`21:25.44`	`BinarySpike`	`brlcad, thanks but I'm gonna go google it to make sure`
`21:26.07`	`Mr_Molez`	`heh`
`21:26.17`	`DTRemenak`	`why bother asking then?`
`21:26.22`	`CBG`	`sigh`
`21:26.30`	`BinarySpike`	`cause I didn't know I could google it`
`21:30.37`	`BinarySpike`	`I can't find anything about spiral zone`
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`21:30.51`	`CBG`	`so use the answer you got by cheating. whatever.`
`21:30.57`	`BinarySpike`	`isn't there a website?`
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`21:34.26`	`brlcad`	`jb is a map making king, his maps rock`
`21:34.43`	`BinarySpike`	`I hate spiral zone... no offense but it's just to big`
`21:34.46`	`brlcad`	`though he'd never take credit, he hates being in the spotlight`
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`21:35.51`	`BinarySpike`	`rofl`
`21:35.57`	`BinarySpike`	`I had problems with that on 2.0.4`
`21:36.07`	`Gnurdux`	`whats the point of std::isnan?`
`21:36.08`	`BinarySpike`	`don't remember how I fixed it... think I upgradded Gcc or something`
`21:36.29`	`Gnurdux`	`why not just use ==?`
`21:37.17`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/common/BZDBCache.cxx: should be isnan, not std::isnan for compatibility`
`21:37.47`	`BinarySpike`	`I can't find anything about JBdiGriz or Spiral zone`
`21:37.56`	`BinarySpike`	`neither on the forum or google`
`21:38.21`	`brlcad`	`why would you?`
`21:38.28`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/m4/ (isnan.m4 mkdirp.m4 Makefile.am): merge from HEAD, isnan and mkdirp m4 macro tests`
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`21:39.23`	`BinarySpike`	`well... you can find all kinds of stuff out about viper or hepcat... or silvercat... and BinarySpike and... well just about any person on the forum... looks like he's never posted ont the forum or isn't a member`
`21:40.13`	`DTRemenak`	`brlcad: you done yet? :)`
`21:40.20`	`brlcad`	`it is, just not by you BinarySpike`
`21:40.22`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/configure.ac: check for isnan via BZ_FUNC_ISNAN (merge from head)`
`21:40.28`	`brlcad`	`DTRemenak: almost`
`21:40.49`	`DTRemenak`	`I do love how you started committing right AFTER I finished building tarballs :)`
`21:41.37`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`and right after I finally fixed my cvs config to get the latest beta :o`
`21:41.40`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`21:41.40`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/include/common.h: merge/overwrite with version from HEAD`
`21:41.53`	`brlcad`	`okay, I think that does it.. though it's still build-testing here`
`21:42.01`	`trepan`	`brlcad: is it to be isnan() or std::isnan(), isn't consistent in the branch`
`21:42.13`	`brlcad`	`just isnan()`
`21:42.25`	`BinarySpike`	`Met says wiz and BZDoug did spiralz and spiral zone`
`21:42.40`	`brlcad`	`just commited all the stuff that's on head, so it should be setting a macro in common`
`21:42.47`	`blast007`	`brlcad: but there was code written for win32 to add support for std::isnan, so is that just useless?`
`21:42.49`	`brlcad`	`win32 might need to merge their thing from head too`
`21:43.00`	`BinarySpike`	`JB diGriz *`
`21:43.53`	`brlcad`	`BinarySpike: you can get all sorts of wrong information on-line, believe whatever you like`
`21:44.16`	`BinarySpike`	`it's not what I like it's what Satu likes ;-)`
`21:44.48`	`brlcad`	`blast007: pretty much`
`21:44.54`	`BinarySpike`	`nobody cares what I think, even me... I'm just doing the contest like all the other days...`
`21:45.00`	`blast007`	`brlcad: k`
`21:45.04`	`brlcad`	`though it could still be used -- just need something`
`21:45.30`	`brlcad`	`common defines isnan macro if one doesn't already exist that does the right thing`
`21:45.35`	`blast007`	`I was just wondering what is the 'right' way to do the checks in BZ`
`21:45.38`	`brlcad`	`at least that's the portable intent`
`21:45.44`	`blast007`	`yeah`
`21:46.07`	`brlcad`	`gcc3 no like std::isnan at all on 10.3, on 10.4 gcc4 takes over where they caved in to the peer pressure`
`21:46.31`	`brlcad`	`whatever head does it what should probably get merged`
`21:46.36`	`blast007`	`k`
`21:46.36`	`brlcad`	`it's the one that's been tested more`
`21:47.07`	`brlcad`	`should get someone to test on 10.4.. my 10.4 system is not here right now`
`21:47.16`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: you have 10.4 to test on?`
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`21:47.39`	`brlcad`	`(just to test whether it compiles)`
`21:47.51`	`bz96`	`hello i was wondering how to uninstall windows 2000`
`21:47.58`	`bz96`	`i installed win xp over it`
`21:48.16`	`bz96`	`i am on win xp right now.`
`21:48.19`	`brlcad`	`bz96: you're in the wrong channel for that sort of question`
`21:48.40`	`bz96`	`well i can't play bzflag i lag to much`
`21:48.53`	`bz96`	`only way i can possibly lower lag is by uninstalling win 2000`
`21:49.05`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`21:49.15`	`bz96`	`brlcad: what channel should i go to then?`
`21:49.21`	`spldart`	`I would suggest doing xp from scratch and not bothering #bzflag with a win install query`
`21:49.22`	`brlcad`	`i'm sorry, i'm not even going to touch that one`
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`21:49.45`	`brlcad`	`that's not a bad idea, install from scratch`
`21:49.50`	`brlcad`	`format your hard disk`
`21:50.36`	`spldart`	`right`
`21:50.49`	`DTRemenak`	`probably what he needs is a video driver`
`21:50.59`	`a_temp_dist`	`brlcad: i have 10.4 on`
`21:51.12`	`a_temp_dist`	`but only anon access`
`21:51.36`	`BinarySpike`	`DTR, windows XP is laggy`
`21:51.52`	`DTRemenak`	`xp's net stack is faster than 2k's, BinarySpike`
`21:52.18`	`spldart`	`For the sake of smooth BZFlag gameplay is your Computer properties/ hardware/ device manager/ display adapter showing your video card and no ? or !`
`21:52.48`	`DTRemenak`	`spldart: bz96 has left :)`
`21:52.52`	`spldart`	`ooops`
`21:52.57`	`DTRemenak`	`hehe`
`21:53.06`	`spldart`	`I'm loading my file server... that's my excuse`
`21:53.15`	`spldart`	`And I'm sticking to it ;)`
`21:53.27`	`BinarySpike`	`DTR, my friend has XP and it has many changes... and with the way bzflag makes the context I'm not supprised he's having trouble`
`21:54.31`	`BinarySpike`	`but don't comment on the context part ;-P Jeff already flamed me`
`21:56.07`	`DTRemenak`	`I'm not commenting on any of it, it's not worth it. You think you know everything, why bother convincing you otherwise.`
`21:56.41`	`BinarySpike`	`I don't know everything!?!? gasp I only know almost everything!`
`21:57.10`	`BinarySpike`	`like I have no idea why klien bottles are so amazing... they are just inside out...`
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`21:57.35`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, yeah I do`
`21:57.48`	`DTRemenak`	`klien bottles are amazing because they're non-euclidian shapes, and are therefore nonintuitive`
`21:57.51`	`crazyme`	`Get that machine working?`
`21:58.06`	`crazyme`	`Really?`
`21:58.34`	`JeffM2501`	`crazyme, the machine is now worse`
`21:58.35`	`DTRemenak`	`Teppic: I had one built, but brlcad went and made it obsolete :)`
`21:58.59`	`JeffM2501`	`do I need to test cvs on 10.4?`
`21:59.33`	`brlcad`	`ack, there's another`
`21:59.49`	`crazyme`	`Jeff: Oh dear. Time to reinstall.`
`21:59.50`	`BinarySpike`	`wait... is std::isnan used in 2.0.4? or just 2.0.5?`
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`22:00.21`	`JeffM2501`	`crazyme, yeah A lot of hardware has changed on the machine. so a reinstall may be the best`
`22:00.28`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/CommandsImplementation.cxx: another std::isnan -> isnan`
`22:00.32`	`JeffM2501`	`I was downloading a new iso when I fell asleep :)`
`22:00.49`	`Gnurdux`	`JeffM2501, just a suggestion`
`22:00.51`	`crazyme`	`Which one?`
`22:00.53`	`brlcad`	`DTRemenak: grepping to make sure there are no more :)`
`22:00.54`	`Gnurdux`	`why dont you use sed or somehting`
`22:00.59`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, what?`
`22:01.02`	`Gnurdux`	`and replace ALL std::isnan with isnan`
`22:01.08`	`DTRemenak`	`brlcad: 'tis ok :)`
`22:01.42`	`Gnurdux`	`or even just grep`
`22:01.48`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, what?`
`22:01.59`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, I'm rebuilding windows to make sure it compiles ok`
`22:02.03`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: yep, one more isnan`
`22:02.07`	`Gnurdux`	`replace ALL std::isnan in all files with just isnan, using sed or something`
`22:02.07`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: vc8 does`
`22:02.09`	`JeffM2501`	`damnit :)`
`22:02.15`	`DTRemenak`	`hehe`
`22:02.15`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, checking vc71`
`22:02.29`	`brlcad`	`that's it`
`22:02.29`	`Gnurdux`	`i find 5 uses of std::isnan in my anoncvs from before the down`
`22:02.43`	`Gnurdux`	`2 in playing.cxx`
`22:02.47`	`brlcad`	`Gnurdux: you really are adding to the "noise" in the channel again`
`22:02.51`	`Gnurdux`	`1 in CommandsImplementation.cxx`
`22:02.52`	`trepan`	`Gnurdux: you are not being helpful, hush`
`22:02.58`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, why do I care about isnan?`
`22:03.04`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o DTRemenak] by ChanServ`
`22:03.08`	`Gnurdux`	`a bunch of people were making commits about it`
`22:03.59`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, so you just deceded that we don't know how to do our jobs and decided to tell me I was doing it wrong, when I didn't do ANYthing about it?`
`22:04.00`	`brlcad`	`so you make a suggestion to the one guy not working on it, that helps`
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`22:04.35`	`JeffM2501`	`I was working on it in my sleep :)`
`22:04.39`	`brlcad`	`the 'a bunch of people' is just one person too`
`22:04.52`	`Gnurdux`	`well a bunch of commits anyway`
`22:05.12`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, freaking read and think before you speak`
`22:05.14`	`JeffM2501`	`for the last time`
`22:05.35`	`JeffM2501`	`all you are doing is slowing us down`
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`22:05.56`	`JeffM2501`	`and making me want to put in if (callsign == "gnardux") i/0;`
`22:06.18`	`crazyme`	`lol`
`22:07.23`	`crazyme`	`Or even better, if (callsign == gnurdux) {for(;;){ code to write large quantities of trash to disk}`
`22:07.25`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, so you want me to test on 10.4?`
`22:08.03`	`Gnurdux`	`crazyme, you cant really directly access the hard disk on most operating systems, unless your an administrator`
`22:08.12`	`Gnurdux`	`you could trash all of the files in my home directory`
`22:08.15`	`crazyme`	`Yeah, I know. But it's a thought.`
`22:08.31`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, for the last time, shuddap`
`22:08.39`	`crazyme`	`You don't need to directly write though. I'm just thinking about filling up the HD.`
`22:08.56`	`JeffM2501`	`it's all moot so who cares`
`22:09.10`	`lan56`	`btw I found a bug playing last night that made the jitter on a one person go nuts, it said something like -23451 (note the negative)`
`22:09.13`	`lan56`	`I have a photo`
`22:09.21`	`lan56`	`is this a known issue?`
`22:09.24`	`JeffM2501`	`can you dupe it?`
`22:09.45`	`lan56`	`no I haven't even seen it before, I suppose I could take a look around`
`22:09.58`	`JeffM2501`	`there are allways posiblitys for wierd stuff with network`
`22:10.05`	`lan56`	`just wondering if SC's jitter thing was this a while back`
`22:10.05`	`lan56`	`true`
`22:10.09`	`JeffM2501`	`if it's not common nor duplicateable it dosn't realy matter now`
`22:10.14`	`lan56`	`ok`
`22:10.24`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd just wait and see if you see it again`
`22:10.34`	`lan56`	`ok I'll keep my eyes out`
`22:10.54`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, builds in 7.1 too`
`22:11.09`	`DTRemenak`	`not surprising`
`22:11.18`	`DTRemenak`	`but nice nonetheless`
`22:11.19`	`JeffM2501`	`lan you should try a build with current CVS to make sure your compiler works with the nan stuff`
`22:11.31`	`lan56`	`on v2_0branch?`
`22:11.32`	`DTRemenak`	`on branch`
`22:11.33`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, well they do change stuff sometimes`
`22:11.37`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah branch`
`22:11.38`	`lan56`	`k`
`22:11.55`	`JeffM2501`	`what is it cvs update -d to get it to do all dirs?`
`22:12.04`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: yeah, but all brlcad did was copy code that was working on head onto the branch...and the fact that it compiled in 8 meant he probably didn't screw up :)`
`22:12.31`	`JeffM2501`	`ok good :)`
`22:12.42`	`JeffM2501`	`can't hurt to double check devC++ tho`
`22:12.47`	`JeffM2501`	`as we don't know if it worked in head`
`22:12.53`	`DTRemenak`	`if it was new code, I'd be much more concerned :)`
`22:13.15`	`brlcad`	`muahaha suckers`
`22:13.22`	`JeffM2501`	`tho with vc8 support I don't know how important devC++ is`
`22:13.26`	`JeffM2501`	`you did NOT find another`
`22:13.35`	`DTRemenak`	`as the person in question has a history of breaking windows builds :)`
`22:13.43`	`JeffM2501`	`that he does`
`22:13.54`	`brlcad`	`hey, I did warn.. I didn't merge over the windows stuff from head`
`22:14.11`	`JeffM2501`	`so one more?`
`22:14.21`	`brlcad`	`if it compiles for you, there's no need`
`22:14.25`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah it built`
`22:14.26`	`DTRemenak`	`it seems to work`
`22:14.30`	`lan56`	`bzflag build for devc++ works good, let me try bzfs & bzadmin`
`22:14.31`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm testing mac now`
`22:14.47`	`brlcad`	`it probably works for you for the same reason it works on 10.3`
`22:15.06`	`JeffM2501`	`cus my mac kicks ass? ;)`
`22:15.09`	`brlcad`	`default is no std::isnan, so it makes it's own isnan`
`22:15.18`	`CBG`	`All macs kick ass. Duh.`
`22:15.28`	`DTRemenak`	`we have _isnan iirc`
`22:15.34`	`brlcad`	`heh, 10.4 is a different boat, there the check succeeds and it just uses it`
`22:16.24`	`lan56`	`ok everything works good for dev-c++`
`22:16.37`	`JeffM2501`	`cool thanks for checkin`
`22:16.58`	`DTRemenak`	`~lan56++`
`22:17.05`	`lan56`	`np I didn't do a fresh build tho, I just cvs updated and it rebuilt all the modded files, if that matters`
`22:17.17`	`JeffM2501`	`then it should be fine`
`22:17.20`	`lan56`	`k`
`22:17.29`	`brlcad`	`yeah`
`22:17.42`	`brlcad`	`dev-c++ doesn't run configure right?`
`22:17.46`	`lan56`	`no`
`22:17.53`	`brlcad`	`then it's fine`
`22:18.00`	`lan56`	`ok`
`22:18.05`	`JeffM2501`	`but it has a config`
`22:18.14`	`JeffM2501`	`so it had to make sure it had it's stuff hardcoded right`
`22:18.42`	`lan56`	`I am unsure, it just rebuilds the changed files`
`22:18.47`	`lan56`	`it does use config.h but no configure`
`22:18.59`	`lan56`	`I know little more`
`22:19.00`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah configure builds a config.h for nix`
`22:19.12`	`JeffM2501`	`devC++ and VC use there one premade ones`
`22:19.20`	`lan56`	`right`
`22:19.23`	`JeffM2501`	`since we know what our compilers support`
`22:19.25`	`brlcad`	`for those mods, it was the isnan sections in common.h that make/break the cake`
`22:19.37`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`22:19.41`	`JeffM2501`	`well tosh is building now`
`22:19.44`	`JeffM2501`	`win seems fine`
`22:19.45`	`brlcad`	`coupled with the #defines coming form configure`
`22:19.48`	`JeffM2501`	`can't test nix`
`22:20.05`	`DTRemenak`	`on branch, windows doesn't define any HAVE*ISNAN, so it falls back to (f!=f)`
`22:20.22`	`brlcad`	`figured that was what was going on`
`22:20.46`	`brlcad`	`actually, the templatized version`
`22:20.52`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah`
`22:21.11`	`DTRemenak`	`"correct" behavior is what we have on HEAD, defining HAVE__ISNAN and using _isnan(). not that it makes a difference.`
`22:21.17`	`brlcad`	`only ares and one of the mac obj-c files gets compiled with gcc`
`22:21.36`	`brlcad`	`oh, and regex`
`22:22.07`	`brlcad`	`yeah, should probably add that to the configure testing mix so that it'll just work on cygwin too`
`22:22.12`	`lan56`	`bbl, 5-6 hours later`
`22:22.38`	`DTRemenak`	`cygwin and mingw both use gcc's c++ headers`
`22:22.43`	`DTRemenak`	`so the current checks are fine`
`22:23.16`	`brlcad`	`no pref to use _isnan?`
`22:23.47`	`DTRemenak`	`don't even know if they support _isnan. have to see whether it's defined in math.h or windows.h`
`22:24.43`	`DTRemenak`	`nope, float.h`
`22:24.54`	`DTRemenak`	`so it's vc, not windows`
`22:25.01`	`brlcad`	`ah`
`22:25.22`	`DTRemenak`	`it's grouped with the "/* IEEE recommended functions */"`
`22:25.50`	`brlcad`	`makes sense`
`22:26.09`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: where do you want the tarballs?`
`22:26.22`	`brlcad`	`are these supposedly final?`
`22:26.28`	`DTRemenak`	`heh - zip:No such file or directory`
`22:26.31`	`brlcad`	`the version is wrong for a final`
`22:26.36`	`DTRemenak`	`no, RC1`
`22:26.37`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, I was calling it "RC1"`
`22:26.39`	`DTRemenak`	`or something`
`22:26.49`	`JeffM2501`	`unless we ready for final?`
`22:26.50`	`brlcad`	`that being my point`
`22:27.05`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`22:27.13`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm asking`
`22:27.19`	`JeffM2501`	`if tosh is cool`
`22:27.21`	`JeffM2501`	`I think nix is cool`
`22:27.24`	`JeffM2501`	`and windows is cool`
`22:27.32`	`JeffM2501`	`RC1 was just till you got here :)`
`22:27.37`	`DTRemenak`	`windows is cool. dunno about nix.`
`22:27.43`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`22:28.15`	`brlcad`	`well, I suppose I can let this build finish as rc1 and give it a quick testing first`
`22:28.25`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`22:28.30`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, you have access to bzflag.bz ?`
`22:28.43`	`DTRemenak`	`brlcad: do I have an account on bzflag.bz?`
`22:29.00`	`brlcad`	`oh wow`
`22:29.05`	`brlcad`	`you don't!`
`22:29.12`	`JeffM2501`	`wow`
`22:29.14`	`JeffM2501`	`can he have one?`
`22:29.16`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`22:29.20`	`brlcad`	`oh that's right.. "that's okay, I don't need it yet"`
`22:29.26`	`DTRemenak`	`I didn't :)`
`22:30.23`	`JeffM2501`	`now you do`
`22:30.25`	`JeffM2501`	`:)`
`22:30.31`	`JeffM2501`	`beta.bzflag.bz has a builds dir`
`22:30.35`	`JeffM2501`	`that's where it should go`
`22:30.51`	`DTRemenak`	`k`
`22:34.12`	`crazyme`	`The builds index.html needs to be updated.`
`22:34.21`	`crazyme`	`I think...`
`22:34.30`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`22:34.34`	`JeffM2501`	`the index is crap`
`22:34.39`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm gonna pull it`
`22:34.53`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm just using it for storage now cus it's faster then my.b.o`
`22:34.56`	`crazyme`	`Thanks.`
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`22:41.07`	`brlcad`	`shouldn't affect your build`
`22:41.11`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/include/common.h: I knew there was a reason cmath wasn't included.. breaks on c compiler. use __cplusplus protection`
`22:42.11`	`JeffM2501`	`mine just finished`
`22:42.13`	`JeffM2501`	`testing now`
`22:42.47`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/common.h: merge from v2_0branch, __cplusplus protection around cmath header`
`22:44.37`	`JeffM2501`	`wow fancy effects slow down that mac don't they`
`22:47.27`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, yeah seems to run fine in 10.4`
`22:47.29`	`JeffM2501`	`wana tag?`
`22:47.57`	`DTRemenak`	`still building on solaris`
`22:48.18`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh ok`
`22:50.05`	`brlcad`	`still building on 10.3`
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`22:50.50`	`brlcad`	`hmm.. did i update head or branch with all the mipspro fixes?`
`22:51.04`	`brlcad`	`could make a mips release :)`
`22:51.18`	`brlcad`	`for the two dozen left`
`22:52.37`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: can you set beta.bzflag.bz/builds to group-writable? for now, the tarballs are in the beta. root`
`22:53.02`	`JeffM2501`	`what do I set it too?`
`22:53.04`	`JeffM2501`	`774?`
`22:53.13`	`DTRemenak`	`g+w`
`22:53.33`	`brlcad`	`664`
`22:53.47`	`brlcad`	`or what he said :)`
`22:53.55`	`JeffM2501`	`that do it?`
`22:54.12`	`A_Meteorite`	`Solaris? You're kidding.`
`22:54.15`	`DTRemenak`	`nope`
`22:54.24`	`A_Meteorite`	`How many of them are out there?`
`22:54.24`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: seems to be the same still`
`22:54.30`	`DTRemenak`	`enough`
`22:54.57`	`JeffM2501`	`try that`
`22:55.40`	`DTRemenak`	`probably need 775, not 664 - a directory without x isn't terribly useful :)`
`22:55.55`	`JeffM2501`	`done`
`22:55.56`	`DTRemenak`	`it is writable now, but I can't see the contents`
`22:56.07`	`DTRemenak`	`ah, that's better`
`22:56.10`	`DTRemenak`	`thx :)`
`22:56.23`	`brlcad`	`oh, a dir.. i read a file`
`22:57.36`	`Gnurdux`	`can one attach a phydrv to an ordinary box?`
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`22:59.34`	`DTRemenak`	`thanks :)`
`23:02.34`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: I updated the bb post also`
`23:02.46`	`JeffM2501`	`cool thanks`
`23:04.14`	`spldart`	`I believe it has to be a 'mesh' box gnurdux.`
`23:05.00`	`JeffM2501`	`old boxes have no other new features`
`23:05.06`	`JeffM2501`	`meshboxes replace them`
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`23:05.24`	`Gnurdux`	`spldart, would it have 4 divisions, to be like an ordinary box?`
`23:05.35`	`JeffM2501`	`it's the same as box`
`23:05.40`	`JeffM2501`	`you can just apply stuff to it`
`23:05.45`	`JeffM2501`	`like materials and drivers`
`23:06.12`	`spldart`	`^ :)`
`23:08.43`	`CBG`	`Pardon my ignorance, but a source tarball is basically what I would _normally_ get from CVS (compressed) - and if I decompress it I can run autogen, configure and make - like normal?`
`23:09.04`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`23:09.12`	`CBG`	`Ok, goodie.`
`23:09.46`	`blast007`	`and for tarballs, iirc, you don't need to run autogen`
`23:10.16`	`blast007`	`since they should already have been run with autogen when you get them`
`23:10.51`	`CBG`	`Ok - and does it matter whether I download the tar.bz2 or the tar.gz (Mac OS 10.3.9)`
`23:11.06`	`bryjen`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:11.18`	`blast007`	`bz2 is usually smaller`
`23:11.19`	`bryjen`	`oops`
`23:11.24`	`JeffM2501`	`it dosnt' hurt to rerun it`
`23:11.27`	`CBG`	`blast007: cheers.`
`23:11.33`	`CBG`	`Ok. :)`
`23:11.52`	`bryjen`	`~bryjen4`
`23:15.00`	`DTRemenak`	`solaris checks out`
`23:15.23`	`JeffM2501`	`good to go?`
`23:15.29`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`23:16.04`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): mark it as 2.0.6`
`23:16.24`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: mark it as 2.0.6`
`23:18.16`	`JeffM2501`	`taging`
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`23:19.08`	`A_Meteorite`	`Hi, TimRiker`
`23:19.34`	`JeffM2501`	`heh.. right on time timmy ;)`
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`23:20.50`	`Teppic`	`* libtool.m4 and ltmain.sh have a version mismatch! *`
`23:20.50`	`Teppic`	`#`
`23:21.04`	`Teppic`	`Better to re-run autogen or libtoolize?`
`23:21.14`	`A_Meteorite`	`I'm compiling 2.0.6 RC1 source now...`
`23:21.17`	`JeffM2501`	`that from the tarball?`
`23:21.22`	`Teppic`	`Yep`
`23:21.25`	`A_Meteorite`	`eek`
`23:21.30`	`CBG`	`me too...`
`23:21.36`	`JeffM2501`	`if you rerun autogen does it work?`
`23:21.38`	`A_Meteorite`	`I haven't got there yet :)`
`23:21.46`	`CBG`	`autogen.sh worked`
`23:21.53`	`Teppic`	`I duuno, i ran libtoolize first`
`23:22.04`	`A_Meteorite`	`Oh, I didn't run autogen`
`23:22.17`	`JeffM2501`	`you don't realy have to run that I thought.. just configure then make from the tarball`
`23:22.26`	`CBG`	`A_Meteorite: don't think you _need_ to..`
`23:22.29`	`Teppic`	`OK, will retry fresh with autogen.....`
`23:23.00`	`A_Meteorite`	`I never got this error before:`
`23:23.10`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501: for what OS? and free?`
`23:23.17`	`JeffM2501`	`for mine. and yes`
`23:23.23`	`JeffM2501`	`guess I could use IE`
`23:23.25`	`JeffM2501`	`blegh`
`23:23.28`	`JeffM2501`	`I must have one`
`23:23.30`	`A_Meteorite`	`http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/48797`
`23:23.30`	`Gnurdux`	`or just windows explorer`
`23:23.32`	`JeffM2501`	`I've done this part before`
`23:23.37`	`blast007`	`Gnurdux: same thing :P`
`23:23.38`	`Teppic`	`smartFTP`
`23:23.41`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, that IS ie`
`23:23.45`	`Gnurdux`	`true`
`23:23.45`	`blast007`	`yeah, I use SmartFTP`
`23:23.47`	`CBG`	`The only remotely decent free FTP client for Mac that I have found is RBRowser (lite).`
`23:23.49`	`Gnurdux`	`M$ integrates them`
`23:23.51`	`blast007`	`though FileZilla works too`
`23:23.57`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm suposed to own wsftp`
`23:24.08`	`Gnurdux`	`what does supposed to mean here?`
`23:24.17`	`JeffM2501`	`I should have it somewhere`
`23:24.26`	`Teppic`	`It means he paid for it, but doesn't have it.`
`23:24.33`	`JeffM2501`	`well I didn't pay for it`
`23:24.36`	`JeffM2501`	`but I own it`
`23:24.44`	`Gnurdux`	`your co paid for it?`
`23:24.54`	`JeffM2501`	`ether that or isp`
`23:24.56`	`JeffM2501`	`can't remember`
`23:25.14`	`A_Meteorite`	`well, that error must be meaningless that I posted, because it's compiling now`
`23:25.31`	`Gnurdux`	`either that, or it affects a different part of the source`
`23:25.33`	`Gnurdux`	`or the linking`
`23:25.49`	`A_Meteorite`	`Gnurudux: did you even read my pastebin?`
`23:26.01`	`Teppic`	`re running autogen seems to work better....`
`23:26.01`	`Gnurdux`	`yes`
`23:26.04`	`Gnurdux`	`it sounds meaningless`
`23:26.18`	`Gnurdux`	`unless you modified those files`
`23:26.18`	`A_Meteorite`	`must be because I'm now make'ing`
`23:26.50`	`Gnurdux`	`aclocal is part of autoconf`
`23:26.58`	`Gnurdux`	`its used to generate the configure script`
`23:28.17`	`A_Meteorite`	`well, the reason I was concerned is because I never got that ever before :)`
`23:28.30`	`Gnurdux`	`i wouldnt worry about it`
`23:28.41`	`A_Meteorite`	`you make me feel better`
`23:28.51`	`Gnurdux`	`its probably from something with the dates`
`23:28.55`	`Gnurdux`	`where do I get the tarball`
`23:29.12`	`A_Meteorite`	`brb`
`23:30.57`	`A_Meteorite`	`back`
`23:32.15`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, you wana do the final tarball?`
`23:32.36`	`DTRemenak`	`sure, if you want me to`
`23:32.41`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't see why not`
`23:32.47`	`A_Meteorite`	`you haven't even tested it yet, have you?`
`23:32.48`	`A_Meteorite`	`:)`
`23:32.49`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm uping win and zip now`
`23:32.56`	`JeffM2501`	`I've been testing all afternoon`
`23:33.02`	`DTRemenak`	`has anyone checked that the rc tarballs actually work?`
`23:33.13`	`JeffM2501`	`I build a windows from them :)`
`23:33.13`	`A_Meteorite`	`I'm compiling now, DTRemenak.`
`23:33.23`	`Teppic`	`Me 2 ^^`
`23:33.29`	`JeffM2501`	`ok we'll see how they go`
`23:33.38`	`A_Meteorite`	`Mac OS X 10.4.6, latest Xcode`
`23:33.46`	`DTRemenak`	`cool`
`23:34.14`	`Teppic`	`Worked, all compiled, just need to test binaries.`
`23:35.10`	`A_Meteorite`	`At BoxBuilding.cxx...`
`23:35.17`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh`
`23:35.24`	`Teppic`	`Distcc rocks.`
`23:35.36`	`A_Meteorite`	`Distcc is..?`
`23:35.55`	`Teppic`	`Distributed C compiler (spreads the build over 4 machines here)`
`23:35.56`	`A_Meteorite`	`aha`
`23:35.56`	`A_Meteorite`	`distcc is a program to distribute builds of C, C++, Objective C or Objective C++ code across several machines on a network.`
`23:35.57`	`Gnurdux`	`ill try building one if someone gives me a URL`
`23:36.15`	`A_Meteorite`	`Gnurdux: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7612`
`23:36.15`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, use your noggin, where would we post info about a release candidate`
`23:36.37`	`A_Meteorite`	`OpenGlState.cxx...`
`23:36.46`	`Gnurdux`	`forum`
`23:36.52`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, BINGO`
`23:37.26`	`A_Meteorite`	`Also, I'm not using Xcode to build it, I'm using make.`
`23:37.36`	`A_Meteorite`	`so presumably if it works here Xcode should work`
`23:37.40`	`JeffM2501`	`xcode calls make`
`23:37.47`	`Teppic`	`Works fine, are those sources permanent?`
`23:37.54`	`A_Meteorite`	`now installing`
`23:38.09`	`A_Meteorite`	`OK, I error out`
`23:38.10`	`A_Meteorite`	`big time`
`23:38.19`	`Gnurdux`	`ouch`
`23:38.48`	`JeffM2501`	`I just uploaded win, let me try the tarball on my tosh`
`23:38.54`	`Gnurdux`	`so should i just build or also test?`
`23:39.02`	`JeffM2501`	`what ever you want little dude`
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`23:39.14`	`A_Meteorite`	`see this: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/48798`
`23:39.14`	`JeffM2501`	`just don't tell us every step`
`23:39.36`	`Gnurdux`	`wow A_Meteorite`
`23:39.37`	`JeffM2501`	`what OS verison?`
`23:39.42`	`A_Meteorite`	`OS X 10.4.6`
`23:40.05`	`A_Meteorite`	`I compiled anon CVS today`
`23:40.07`	`JeffM2501`	`let me try current cvs`
`23:40.13`	`A_Meteorite`	`so something happened between now and then`
`23:40.15`	`JeffM2501`	`anon dosn't have any of brlcads last changes`
`23:40.20`	`A_Meteorite`	`k`
`23:40.33`	`Gnurdux`	`A_Meteorite, thats a wierd error`
`23:40.36`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh`
`23:40.39`	`Gnurdux`	`but it doesnt seem to be bzflag's fault`
`23:40.52`	`A_Meteorite`	`no, but I compiled two week old CVS today`
`23:40.52`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, it is`
`23:40.53`	`Gnurdux`	`looks more like it's SDL thats screwing ya up`
`23:40.54`	`A_Meteorite`	`so it's not me`
`23:41.09`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, you don't know what your talking about, please again don't add in stuff that you don't know`
`23:41.16`	`JeffM2501`	`the problem is cmath`
`23:41.20`	`JeffM2501`	`in common.hb`
`23:41.22`	`Gnurdux`	`oh`
`23:41.25`	`JeffM2501`	`that IS in our code`
`23:41.36`	`JeffM2501`	`and it's an isnan problem`
`23:41.41`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite, did you run autogen?`
`23:41.44`	`A_Meteorite`	`no`
`23:41.50`	`JeffM2501`	`do a make clean`
`23:41.53`	`JeffM2501`	`then run autogen`
`23:41.55`	`JeffM2501`	`then config`
`23:41.57`	`Gnurdux`	`ah lol thats why he had to fix isnan`
`23:41.58`	`JeffM2501`	`then make again`
`23:42.02`	`A_Meteorite`	`k`
`23:42.03`	`Gnurdux`	`he doesnt have autotools though`
`23:42.04`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux......`
`23:42.10`	`A_Meteorite`	`this could take awile`
`23:42.16`	`JeffM2501`	`do you want to stay here Gnurdux ?`
`23:42.21`	`JeffM2501`	`seriously?`
`23:42.25`	`Gnurdux`	`yes`
`23:42.28`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`23:42.40`	`JeffM2501`	`then please don't add comments that don't add anything`
`23:42.45`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`23:42.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I am very very tired of having to ask you`
`23:43.07`	`JeffM2501`	`do you understand?`
`23:43.07`	`A_Meteorite`	`just fyi, ./configure --enable-shared --enable-plugins --prefix=/Users/daniel/usr`
`23:43.07`	`brlcad`	`ahh, finally`
`23:43.15`	`A_Meteorite`	`now re-compiling`
`23:43.16`	`brlcad`	`got bzflag built on 10.3`
`23:43.24`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, do you need any changes?`
`23:43.37`	`brlcad`	`no`
`23:43.37`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`23:43.38`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`23:43.48`	`A_Meteorite`	`What's so broken?`
`23:44.17`	`Nidhoggr`	`I installed newer autotools versions on my cobalt but I'm getting an error with ./autogen.sh`
`23:44.25`	`Gnurdux`	`Nidhoggr, what error?`
`23:44.27`	`brlcad`	`the 7.0.4 quicktime update was apparently built with gcc 4 so when you install it, you suddenly can't link anything that links against qt (like sdl)`
`23:44.39`	`A_Meteorite`	`brlcad: ouch`
`23:44.45`	`Nidhoggr`	`[root@hafiz bzflag]# ./autogen.sh`
`23:44.45`	`Nidhoggr`	`Found GNU Autoconf version 2.53`
`23:44.45`	`Nidhoggr`	`Found GNU Automake version 1.6.3`
`23:44.45`	`Nidhoggr`	`Found GNU Libtool version 1.4.2`
`23:44.45`	`Nidhoggr`	`Automatically preparing build ... Warning: autoreconf failed`
`23:44.47`	`Nidhoggr`	`Attempting to run the configuration steps individually`
`23:44.50`	`Nidhoggr`	`Preparing build ... ERROR: aclocal failed`
`23:44.53`	`A_Meteorite`	`if it's 10.3.x shouldn't they be using GCC3.3?`
`23:45.04`	`brlcad`	`there is an apple-provided "revert" to 7.0.2 for that very reason`
`23:45.07`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/include/common.h: no // comments if being used by C compilers`
`23:45.13`	`brlcad`	`Nidhoggr: pastebin an ./autogen.sh -v ?`
`23:45.29`	`Nidhoggr`	`how do I do a pastebin again?`
`23:45.34`	`brlcad`	`~pastebin`
`23:45.36`	`ibot`	`hmm... pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste`
`23:45.43`	`brlcad`	`any one of those`
`23:45.52`	`A_Meteorite`	`or even bzflag.pastebin.ca :)`
`23:45.57`	`brlcad`	`or even that`
`23:45.59`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh`
`23:46.08`	`CBG`	`didn't compile for me... :( http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/48801`
`23:46.11`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah... cus what we NEED is 4 pastebins that work exacytly the same`
`23:46.30`	`brlcad`	`trepan: curiously it doesn't complain about those, probably because of c99`
`23:46.37`	`A_Meteorite`	`that looks similar, CBG...`
`23:46.40`	`brlcad`	`or was it 2001`
`23:46.48`	`A_Meteorite`	`too similar`
`23:46.55`	`CBG`	`to what?`
`23:46.57`	`A_Meteorite`	`mine`
`23:47.06`	`CBG`	`it failed for you too?`
`23:47.09`	`A_Meteorite`	`yup`
`23:47.21`	`CBG`	`:(`
`23:47.34`	`trepan`	`brlcad: better safe then wrong ;)`
`23:47.41`	`Nidhoggr`	`http://pastebin.com/650428`
`23:47.52`	`brlcad`	`ahh.. that error I fixed`
`23:47.57`	`brlcad`	`the error was about cmath header`
`23:48.06`	`JeffM2501`	`after he made the tarball`
`23:48.09`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh`
`23:48.12`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`23:48.14`	`A_Meteorite`	`I surely hope so`
`23:48.16`	`brlcad`	`right, didn't make that test tar`
`23:48.22`	`JeffM2501`	`so the macs need a new tarball`
`23:48.31`	`JeffM2501`	`or does everyone?`
`23:48.31`	`CBG`	`:)`
`23:48.32`	`Gnurdux`	`IT COMPILED`
`23:48.50`	`A_Meteorite`	`Us maccers are a pain, eh? ;)`
`23:48.57`	`Gnurdux`	`nice ,it now has Save settings`
`23:49.04`	`JeffM2501`	`gnardux...`
`23:49.06`	`A_Meteorite`	`Gnurdux: that's been there`
`23:49.10`	`brlcad`	`Nidhoggr: looks like you have a version mismatch`
`23:49.12`	`CBG`	`2.0.5 didn't? o.O`
`23:49.18`	`Gnurdux`	`i never ran 2.0.5`
`23:49.25`	`A_Meteorite`	`that's why :P`
`23:49.30`	`brlcad`	`Nidhoggr: aclocal looks like it is autoconf 2.13`
`23:49.35`	`Nidhoggr`	`hrm.`
`23:49.38`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, have you ever been told about #bzchat?`
`23:49.41`	`brlcad`	`so does autoreconf`
`23:49.56`	`Nidhoggr`	`is there a way to tell autogen to use /usr/local/ instead of /usr for autotools?`
`23:50.02`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: only if you want them to test it`
`23:50.12`	`brlcad`	`otherwise it'll be fixed when we do "final"`
`23:50.15`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`23:50.15`	`Teppic`	`Right, my build works fine, is there anything else I can do to help?`
`23:50.19`	`JeffM2501`	`cvs builds for me`
`23:50.23`	`A_Meteorite`	`I was hoping to test it out`
`23:50.27`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd just make sure nid is cool`
`23:50.30`	`A_Meteorite`	`like play 5mins and see if it crashes or anything`
`23:50.33`	`brlcad`	`Nidhoggr: setting your path?`
`23:50.40`	`Nidhoggr`	`true.`
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`23:51.10`	`A_Meteorite`	`brlcad: what's the fix? I could add it in myself... (just to test it)`
`23:51.10`	`brlcad`	`if it's a sarge system, the debian wrapper scripts are just wrong`
`23:51.23`	`brlcad`	`A_Meteorite: remove the cmath line from include/common.h`
`23:51.24`	`A_Meteorite`	`wait... there's CIA :)`
`23:51.26`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok`
`23:51.32`	`*** join/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone)`
`23:51.33`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ`
`23:51.38`	`brlcad`	`ciao tupone`
`23:51.38`	`Gnurdux`	`JeffM2501, it compiles and runs here`
`23:51.49`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, we KNOW you said so`
`23:51.59`	`Tupone`	`CIAo brlcad :)`
`23:52.28`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, what is the format for quiet?`
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`23:52.59`	`JeffM2501`	`and that's not just a warning. I am prety sure we are all sick of him`
`23:53.08`	`JeffM2501`	`and have real work to do`
`23:54.09`	`Mr_Molez`	`I believe menotume put in code for the cvs to not let long names cover lagstats, did that get destroyed or was it just not added in 2.0.6 ?`
`23:54.19`	`JeffM2501`	`it should be in there`
`23:54.23`	`JeffM2501`	`I saw it during my compare`
`23:54.35`	`JeffM2501`	`I think it's hooked to a menu option tho`
`23:54.54`	`A_Meteorite`	`Is the Mac binary Jaguar compatible?`
`23:54.58`	`Nidhoggr`	`make sure I'm cool about what?`
`23:55.02`	`Mr_Molez`	`yes i saw e-mail string. Maybe I was just expecting it to do something else :)`
`23:55.08`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+b %!Gnurdux@] by JeffM2501`
`23:55.15`	`JeffM2501`	`there`
`23:55.20`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh`
`23:55.37`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-o trepan] by trepan`
`23:55.45`	`CBG`	`That has no effect until he leaves.`
`23:56.05`	`A_Meteorite`	`CBG: /me thinks a kick would enforce that`
`23:56.07`	`A_Meteorite`	`:)`
`23:56.15`	`CBG`	`Well, yeah. :)`
`23:56.16`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, wanna bet :)`
`23:56.24`	`JeffM2501`	`notice the %`
`23:56.33`	`CBG`	`ahh, I see.`
`23:56.47`	`CBG`	`I read too fast.`
`23:57.05`	`A_Meteorite`	`OK, getting close to that error.. once I get there I'll make the edit in include/common.h`
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`23:57.35`	`Scorch`	`hi all`
`23:57.51`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, looks like it built cept for the mac people, you want to do the tarball?`
`23:58.11`	`Scorch`	`is there something like an idlestats command here?`
`23:58.47`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: if mac doesn't build, shouldn't we wait? surely some mac person will want to build from the tarball...`
`23:59.05`	`Scorch`	`i am building from it at this very moment if thats any help`
`23:59.27`	`A_Meteorite`	`removing #include <cmath> made it contine`
`23:59.29`	`Scorch`	`but i don't know how to make a double-clickable app-package`
`23:59.52`	`A_Meteorite`	`Xcode`
`23:59.58`	`Scorch`	`oops.`
`23:59.59`	`Nidhoggr`	`before I was configuring with.....`

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