| 00:00.04 | blast007 | but right now there isn't an easier way to add groups |
| 00:00.06 | Gnurdux | i like phpbb anyway |
| 00:00.14 | blast007 | and the list server code is ugly |
| 00:00.31 | blast007 | I won't even try to fix it...I'd rewrite it if anything ;) |
| 00:00.53 | Gnurdux | it would be cool if the list server supported multiple backends |
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| 00:01.15 | purple_cow | why would it need that? |
| 00:01.24 | Gnurdux | for extra list servers lol |
| 00:01.41 | purple_cow | yes, lol, that was funny! |
| 00:02.11 | JeffM2501 | we only need one set of list servers |
| 00:02.17 | JeffM2501 | we don't need 175 of them |
| 00:02.26 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, could one make a plugin that denies unregistered users? |
| 00:02.41 | JeffM2501 | if you wanted to do it the hard way sure |
| 00:02.52 | Gnurdux | does nagware allow that? |
| 00:03.05 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 00:03.20 | JeffM2501 | do I look like I have all the code from every plugin in my head? |
| 00:03.27 | purple_cow | can't you do that with perms? |
| 00:03.32 | JeffM2501 | yes you can |
| 00:03.39 | JeffM2501 | tho techincaly you can't kick them with perms |
| 00:03.41 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: yes damnit! |
| 00:03.45 | JeffM2501 | just make them not able to do anything |
| 00:03.55 | JeffM2501 | so a plugin could clear up the spot |
| 00:04.03 | JeffM2501 | that may be more desirable |
| 00:06.51 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, wait can plugins make it look to someone like they are banned, rather than simply kickiing them when they join? |
| 00:07.27 | JeffM2501 | ummm maybe |
| 00:07.39 | blast007 | Gnurdux: see if there is code that check when they join |
| 00:07.42 | blast007 | in the API |
| 00:07.46 | JeffM2501 | I think there is a hook right before the ban kick |
| 00:07.58 | blast007 | purple_cow: yeah ;) |
| 00:08.09 | JeffM2501 | why? when pestering people to death gets him banned that much faster |
| 00:08.11 | Gnurdux | that would be cool for unregistered users |
| 00:08.33 | purple_cow | ok, time to go hit some ladies |
| 00:08.46 | JeffM2501 | tell them I said Hi |
| 00:08.52 | Gnurdux | bz_ePlayerJoinEvent |
| 00:08.59 | JeffM2501 | that's not it |
| 00:09.01 | Gnurdux | bz_eAllowPlaye |
| 00:09.04 | Gnurdux | thats it |
| 00:09.11 | Gnurdux | i would guess |
| 00:09.39 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 00:09.51 | JeffM2501 | what does the documentation say about it? |
| 00:10.28 | Gnurdux | bz_eAllowPlayer The server is about to allow or disallow a player |
| 00:10.41 | Gnurdux | the bad news for you is that school is off next week |
| 00:10.50 | Gnurdux | and i have nothing to do |
| 00:10.51 | JeffM2501 | why is that bad news? |
| 00:10.55 | Gnurdux | for you, it is |
| 00:10.57 | JeffM2501 | +b still works fine |
| 00:10.58 | guu | JeffM2501: are you 12? |
| 00:11.03 | JeffM2501 | see :) |
| 00:11.35 | JeffM2501 | you haveing more time on your hands is not a reson for you to not follow the rules we set forth |
| 00:11.47 | JeffM2501 | if you become a disruption you will be removed |
| 00:12.10 | JeffM2501 | this channel may be about a game.. but it is not a game. |
| 00:14.56 | Gnurdux | im going to try doing the banUnregistered plugin |
| 00:15.49 | Gnurdux | or maybe i wont, nagware is fine |
| 00:16.27 | Gnurdux | brad2901, would oyu like a plugin that doesnt allow unregistered users to join at all? |
| 00:22.15 | brad2901 | Gnurdux: not really... I think nagware is a good enough way of getting people to register |
| 00:22.24 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 00:22.32 | Gnurdux | maybe thats true |
| 00:28.30 | JeffM2501 | time would be better spent just making the game do the actual registration |
| 00:28.43 | JeffM2501 | then just flat ass banning them |
| 00:28.44 | Gnurdux | you mean register the people on the forums for them? |
| 00:28.51 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:29.03 | JeffM2501 | so the game would help you play it |
| 00:29.04 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, that could be done with a plugin too |
| 00:29.11 | Gnurdux | that, combined with nagware, would be good |
| 00:29.14 | JeffM2501 | hmm no |
| 00:29.19 | JeffM2501 | you need client side input |
| 00:29.23 | Gnurdux | why? |
| 00:29.26 | JeffM2501 | you do NOT want the server to have the password |
| 00:29.30 | Gnurdux | just make a / command |
| 00:29.32 | Gnurdux | hmm true |
| 00:29.36 | JeffM2501 | registration is not a server side thing |
| 00:29.41 | Gnurdux | but people send the server the pass whenever they connect? |
| 00:29.41 | JeffM2501 | it is between the client and us |
| 00:29.44 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:29.47 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 00:29.49 | JeffM2501 | no they don't |
| 00:29.52 | Gnurdux | they just send a token? |
| 00:29.54 | JeffM2501 | the only thing sent is a token |
| 00:29.55 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:29.59 | JeffM2501 | the token is not a password |
| 00:30.00 | Gnurdux | cant tokens be forged, without using a pass? |
| 00:30.03 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:30.12 | JeffM2501 | the client gets a token from the list server |
| 00:30.14 | Gnurdux | and if someone gives me their token, cant i use it? |
| 00:30.16 | JeffM2501 | using his password |
| 00:30.17 | blast007 | no |
| 00:30.19 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:30.22 | Gnurdux | why not? |
| 00:30.22 | blast007 | it compares the IP address |
| 00:30.24 | Gnurdux | ahh |
| 00:30.26 | Gnurdux | cool' |
| 00:30.27 | JeffM2501 | just wait Gnurdux |
| 00:30.33 | JeffM2501 | it's not just IP based |
| 00:30.36 | JeffM2501 | it's more then that |
| 00:30.45 | JeffM2501 | the client sends the token and username to the server |
| 00:30.57 | JeffM2501 | the server asks the list server if this token and username are valid |
| 00:31.05 | JeffM2501 | then the list server invalidates the token |
| 00:31.11 | JeffM2501 | they are only good for one transation |
| 00:31.19 | Gnurdux | aha |
| 00:31.20 | JeffM2501 | you don't get the same token each time |
| 00:31.30 | JeffM2501 | it's all based on trust of the list server |
| 00:31.37 | Gnurdux | yea' |
| 00:31.38 | JeffM2501 | the game server never gets the password |
| 00:31.38 | JeffM2501 | ever |
| 00:31.50 | Gnurdux | well registration could be totally client-side |
| 00:31.58 | JeffM2501 | it HAS to be client side |
| 00:32.06 | Gnurdux | so the server doesnt need to change |
| 00:32.16 | JeffM2501 | it has nothing to do with the server |
| 00:32.27 | JeffM2501 | best would be if the game fired up a browser and took them to a reg page |
| 00:32.28 | Gnurdux | hmm eventually the phpbb should be seperated out |
| 00:32.34 | JeffM2501 | yes it should |
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| 00:32.38 | JeffM2501 | we've said that many times |
| 00:32.52 | Gnurdux | and the client would register and stuff using the list server |
| 00:32.58 | Gnurdux | and even admin groups and things |
| 00:33.22 | JeffM2501 | the game client has nothing to do with group admin |
| 00:33.33 | JeffM2501 | stop trying to make things overly complex |
| 00:33.37 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, how do local registrations work? |
| 00:33.46 | JeffM2501 | just like IRC |
| 00:33.53 | JeffM2501 | they send the password in the / command |
| 00:33.55 | JeffM2501 | they are evil |
| 00:33.56 | Gnurdux | so it sends the password |
| 00:33.59 | JeffM2501 | and should not be used |
| 00:34.00 | JeffM2501 | ever |
| 00:34.01 | Gnurdux | oh, it uses /identify i see |
| 00:34.05 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:34.18 | JeffM2501 | and that reminds me I need to pull /identify and /register out of 2.1 |
| 00:34.37 | Gnurdux | you still have time to pull em out of 2.0.6 |
| 00:34.45 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:34.53 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.6 is compatable with 2.0.0 |
| 00:34.58 | JeffM2501 | and 2.0.0 supports it |
| 00:35.05 | Gnurdux | :( |
| 00:35.13 | JeffM2501 | hence why it's 2.0.x |
| 00:35.23 | JeffM2501 | we don't break things on minor revs |
| 00:35.28 | Gnurdux | i thought its only protocol that needs to stay the same |
| 00:35.41 | JeffM2501 | the commands and stupported features of the server are part of the protocoll |
| 00:35.55 | JeffM2501 | we don't change gameplay ether, even if it's not part of the protocoll |
| 00:36.11 | Gnurdux | changing gameplay would be insance |
| 00:36.14 | Gnurdux | insane |
| 00:36.19 | JeffM2501 | the verisoning mans any X.Y.Z with the same X and Y are 100% compatable |
| 00:36.40 | Gnurdux | but 2.0.0 doesnt support plugins |
| 00:36.46 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 00:36.49 | JeffM2501 | they are not realy a feature |
| 00:36.54 | JeffM2501 | but a way to apply patch typemods |
| 00:37.00 | JeffM2501 | they are an add |
| 00:37.02 | JeffM2501 | not a remove |
| 00:37.02 | Gnurdux | true |
| 00:37.05 | Gnurdux | ahh |
| 00:37.18 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4 supports all things 2.0.0 did and more |
| 00:37.29 | JeffM2501 | so it's still 100% compatable |
| 00:37.53 | JeffM2501 | we don't do forward compatability |
| 00:37.59 | JeffM2501 | we force upgrade for new features |
| 00:38.03 | JeffM2501 | makes sure people get newer code |
| 00:38.12 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 01:06.55 | im_fine_u | hello |
| 01:11.55 | lan56 | is HEAD frozen or locked or whatever? in other words, if I make a commit to HEAD would it work and be fine or no? |
| 01:12.08 | blast007 | HEAD isn't frozen |
| 01:12.14 | blast007 | v2_0branch is |
| 01:12.23 | lan56 | ahh ok |
| 01:12.25 | Gnurdux | v2_0branch is done |
| 01:12.26 | Gnurdux | basically |
| 01:12.29 | blast007 | yeah |
| 01:12.31 | lan56 | k |
| 01:12.40 | blast007 | just testing and finalizing stuff now |
| 01:12.46 | Gnurdux | when is the release date? Saturday? |
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| 01:33.24 | Gnurdux | a graphical; ie GTK frontend to bzadmin would be awesome |
| 01:34.18 | JeffM2501 | isn't there a web based bzadmin? |
| 01:34.29 | Gnurdux | probably |
| 01:34.38 | lan56 | is v2_0branch the one thats going to the release? |
| 01:34.40 | Gnurdux | i wonder how hard it would be to make a gtk frontend |
| 01:34.43 | Gnurdux | or gtkmm |
| 01:34.44 | Gnurdux | lan56, yep |
| 01:34.47 | Gnurdux | thats why it froze |
| 01:35.07 | lan56 | ahh k |
| 01:35.08 | lan56 | thx |
| 01:35.14 | JeffM2501 | it will be 2.0.6 |
| 01:35.26 | JeffM2501 | so we can be done with that branch |
| 01:35.43 | lan56 | froze as in no commits or froze as in no new features? |
| 01:36.46 | JeffM2501 | no new features |
| 01:36.52 | JeffM2501 | fixes for release only |
| 01:37.06 | JeffM2501 | like your devC++ update ;) |
| 01:37.15 | lan56 | hah you know :) |
| 01:37.22 | lan56 | I need to make a slight very tiny fix to bzfs.dev |
| 01:37.28 | lan56 | eency weency |
| 01:37.29 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:37.54 | JeffM2501 | thats why we are waitin till saturday |
| 01:38.04 | lan56 | thats good thinking |
| 01:38.04 | JeffM2501 | for all the little things that need to be commited |
| 01:38.23 | JeffM2501 | If I remember I'll do a b8 tonight |
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| 01:38.46 | JeffM2501 | but now I must go get an AV kit |
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| 02:04.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: -README.DEVC++: libares.dev doesn't exist in v2_0branch + make more user friendly |
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| 02:09.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - remove additive blending |
| 02:09.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: (it looks bad against a light background without the proper mods) |
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| 02:52.08 | menotume | virtually frozen? so like, 33 degrees ? |
| 02:53.35 | menotume | are there any TODOs? I don't see any in 'TODO' |
| 02:59.04 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/TODO: update TODO |
| 02:59.07 | menotume | i just had to do *something* :P |
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| 03:44.42 | JeffM2501 | blast007, how do I know if bzadmin was built with curses? |
| 03:44.46 | JeffM2501 | I want to test my build here |
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| 03:46.25 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: run it :) |
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| 03:46.35 | JeffM2501 | so it starts in curses by default? |
| 03:46.43 | DTRemenak | yes, iirc |
| 03:46.51 | JeffM2501 | k, then mine isn't set up right |
| 03:47.04 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 03:47.17 | DTRemenak | unless there's something strange for windows |
| 03:47.24 | JeffM2501 | that's what I wasn't aware of |
| 03:48.03 | DTRemenak | btw, the reason I wasn't doing curses builds was that there was a nasty crash bug in pdcurses that we somehow trigger and I haven't looked into very much |
| 03:48.15 | DTRemenak | hit f2 when it starts, if it doesn't crash then it's all good |
| 03:48.19 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 03:48.22 | DTRemenak | should give you a menu |
| 03:48.31 | JeffM2501 | I'm using blast's pdcurses |
| 03:48.41 | JeffM2501 | he went back a couple of versions |
| 03:49.00 | DTRemenak | yeah. I didn't look into doing that either |
| 03:49.09 | DTRemenak | just saw that it crashed and decided I didn't have time |
| 03:49.29 | JeffM2501 | it would be nice if we could do curses for them this time |
| 03:50.12 | DTRemenak | yeah, definately. it works with an all-mingw build |
| 03:50.25 | DTRemenak | so there's potential |
| 03:52.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/ (bzfs/bzfs.cxx game/MsgStrings.cxx): unused vars |
| 03:53.08 | JeffM2501 | well if we can't get it to work in vc, then maybe just let bzadmin be made via mingw for the binary |
| 03:54.12 | DTRemenak | I did that for one of those builds a long time ago |
| 03:54.30 | JeffM2501 | I'm doing a full build now with his lib. see what happens |
| 03:54.41 | DTRemenak | hopefully it'll all "just work" :) |
| 03:55.10 | blast007 | JeffM2501: pdcurses build works for me in VC |
| 03:55.17 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 03:55.20 | blast007 | it won't be color until you join a server |
| 03:55.23 | DTRemenak | blast007: including the menu? |
| 03:55.33 | blast007 | DTRemenak: let me check |
| 03:56.44 | blast007 | weee, crashy crashy |
| 03:56.50 | DTRemenak | although, I suppose it's probably better than stdio even without the menu :P |
| 03:57.02 | DTRemenak | ah, thought so :) |
| 03:57.20 | JeffM2501 | can't have it crash |
| 03:57.26 | JeffM2501 | blast007, you want to look into why it crashes? |
| 03:57.38 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: could just #ifdef out the menu... :P |
| 03:57.43 | blast007 | :) |
| 03:57.53 | JeffM2501 | if it works in mingw I'd rather just use it |
| 03:57.54 | blast007 | I'll build debug |
| 03:57.59 | JeffM2501 | for the binary |
| 03:58.06 | DTRemenak | yeah, good point |
| 03:58.13 | JeffM2501 | or just get it fixed ;) |
| 03:58.16 | DTRemenak | best would be get it all working in vc :) |
| 03:58.19 | DTRemenak | yeah :) |
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| 04:11.08 | blast007 | it's dying at wclear(mainWin); in CursesUI::updateMainWinFromBuffer of CursesUI.cxx |
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| 15:17.44 | Mr_Molez | ~CBG-- |
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| 16:43.58 | blast007 | JeffM2501: did your bzadmin build with PDCurses properly? |
| 16:48.00 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 16:48.04 | JeffM2501 | I fell asleep :) |
| 16:48.12 | JeffM2501 | and Kinda didn't care once you said it crashed |
| 16:49.45 | JeffM2501 | did you figure out the crash? |
| 16:50.00 | blast007 | PDCurses deletes a pointer, and then we use it later ;) |
| 16:50.11 | JeffM2501 | can it be fixed? |
| 16:50.25 | blast007 | well, I'm not the best with pointers |
| 16:51.01 | blast007 | the resize_window function of PDCurses returns a new pointer if it changes the window apparently |
| 16:51.05 | blast007 | but we don't use that |
| 16:51.54 | JeffM2501 | well why don't we just use that :) |
| 16:52.57 | blast007 | yeah, didn't have time to really do much with it |
| 16:53.22 | blast007 | I got it to show the menu once, but then it wouldn't go away, and on the third press of F2 it crashed ;) |
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| 17:06.06 | bz18 | hi I am new user to bzflag |
| 17:06.22 | bz18 | and the application is not connecting to the server |
| 17:06.33 | bz18 | could anyone plese help |
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| 17:07.17 | Tupone | bz18: you tried list server? |
| 17:08.07 | bz18 | no |
| 17:08.23 | Tupone | try that, from inside the game |
| 17:08.32 | bz18 | I am using all the defualt configuration and just pressing start server |
| 17:08.47 | bz18 | how do I choose list server ? |
| 17:08.49 | Tupone | aww, so you are just connecting to your own server |
| 17:09.00 | bz18 | oh! |
| 17:09.15 | Tupone | Join Game -> Find Server |
| 17:09.39 | blast007 | yeah, Start Server is really just for playing a game on your own network, not with people online |
| 17:10.44 | bz18 | ok .. I tried list server. |
| 17:10.51 | bz18 | it gives cant find list server |
| 17:11.06 | bz18 | it gives 'searching' |
| 17:11.22 | bz18 | and then gives a message that it cannt find the server |
| 17:11.25 | Tupone | bz where are you, behins a firewall |
| 17:11.37 | bz18 | yes. |
| 17:13.28 | Tupone | can you get to http://my.BZFlag.org/db/ |
| 17:13.39 | Tupone | from a browser |
| 17:13.46 | bz18 | yes |
| 17:14.00 | Tupone | your browser is using a proxy? |
| 17:14.17 | bz18 | yes |
| 17:14.23 | Tupone | no luck then |
| 17:14.43 | Tupone | you should manage your firewall to get to play |
| 17:14.57 | bz18 | ok .. |
| 17:15.12 | bz18 | if its not in a firewall then its very easy to connect is it ? |
| 17:15.20 | Tupone | yep |
| 17:15.28 | bz18 | ok.thx |
| 17:15.41 | bz18 | will try |
| 17:15.45 | Tupone | well, I don't mean something like a personal firewall. I mean a company one |
| 17:15.46 | ToughShooter | The server list is sent via http on port 80, proxis caching the data cause much problems |
| 17:15.49 | bz18 | thansk a lot :) |
| 17:16.16 | Tupone | if there is a firewall on, probably they block udp too I guess |
| 17:16.20 | bz18 | yes I am behind a company firewall right now |
| 17:17.34 | Tupone | bz18: if you start playing, just don't leave because lot of people kill you :/ need some time or other noob to fight against |
| 17:17.50 | JeffM2501 | they probably don't want you playing games at work ;) |
| 17:18.38 | Tupone | bz18: and don't try to tunnel the connection, game with lagged a lot and admin will kick you |
| 17:19.23 | ToughShooter | It is a lot of fun once you are good enough to fight the opponents the first day this won't be the case |
| 17:41.01 | learner | heh, behind a company firewall getting support from an irc channel |
| 17:41.07 | learner | someone doesn't like their job :) |
| 17:41.14 | learner | or their job is to review games :) |
| 17:47.40 | learner | time to install a new hd |
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| 18:08.51 | shwetha | hi, Can I play bzflag locally, without connecting to any server ? |
| 18:09.16 | JeffM2501 | you can run a server localy |
| 18:09.19 | JeffM2501 | and connect to that |
| 18:09.31 | shwetha | how do I do that ? |
| 18:09.36 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you on? |
| 18:09.43 | shwetha | Win XP |
| 18:10.00 | JeffM2501 | there should be a "start server" in game menu that will let you start a little local server |
| 18:10.16 | shwetha | ok.let me see |
| 18:12.53 | shwetha | I am first tiime user. I choosed Join Server -> Start Server |
| 18:13.06 | shwetha | and there is nothing I see to change to local host |
| 18:16.06 | JeffM2501 | you just put in your computers name |
| 18:16.10 | JeffM2501 | or 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:18.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (11 files in 6 dirs): |
| 18:18.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: remove local auth stuff that sends the password over the line. |
| 18:18.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: TODO: replace local reg with something that uses like encryption and the in game password... if we want to do local reg at all. |
| 18:21.25 | shwetha | thanks a lot JeffM :) |
| 18:26.31 | JeffM2501 | wow.. SF lost CVS data |
| 18:28.13 | CBG | O_O |
| 19:15.21 | ruskie | JeffM2501!!???? |
| 19:15.55 | blast007 | read the status page on SF |
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| 19:59.55 | Tupone | 2.1 seems now to never go to full screen. Hope is not SF loosing CVS data :/ |
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| 20:03.20 | JeffM2501 | I love how they "recomend" that we back up our data |
| 20:03.37 | Gnurdux | who does? |
| 20:03.42 | JeffM2501 | maybe it's time to look into a backup VCS |
| 20:03.46 | Gnurdux | SF? |
| 20:03.54 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, yes |
| 20:03.54 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, ya that would be a good idea |
| 20:03.59 | Gnurdux | they are easy to host and setup |
| 20:04.14 | JeffM2501 | I'd not want one hosted "on somone's machine" |
| 20:04.23 | JeffM2501 | but one part of a managed vcs system |
| 20:04.30 | JeffM2501 | something with reliability |
| 20:05.43 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 20:05.48 | Gnurdux | SF is the best bet for that thougj |
| 20:05.55 | Gnurdux | actually |
| 20:05.58 | JeffM2501 | I'm not so sure about that |
| 20:05.59 | Gnurdux | host one on the list server machine |
| 20:06.23 | Gnurdux | you could ditch SF entirely |
| 20:06.25 | JeffM2501 | no, I'd rather it be on another Open source system |
| 20:06.26 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:06.33 | JeffM2501 | I don't see a reason to dictch them |
| 20:06.38 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, it doesnt have to be reliable though |
| 20:06.38 | JeffM2501 | there is no reason we can not have more then one |
| 20:06.42 | Gnurdux | the point is, its backup |
| 20:06.48 | JeffM2501 | yes, backups HAVE to be relyable |
| 20:06.53 | JeffM2501 | or they won't be there when you need them |
| 20:06.54 | Gnurdux | so you could host one |
| 20:06.56 | Gnurdux | hmm true |
| 20:07.21 | JeffM2501 | you've never done a large scale project, so I'm not sure you understand the issues |
| 20:07.28 | Gnurdux | no, i probably don't |
| 20:07.33 | JeffM2501 | data relyability is #1 |
| 20:07.42 | JeffM2501 | if something can fail, it will |
| 20:07.46 | JeffM2501 | as SF found out |
| 20:08.09 | JeffM2501 | lets say SF lost our data. what would we do? |
| 20:08.16 | Gnurdux | im going to try to start a big project at some point, the problem is its hard to do something like that with only 1 or 2 people and im not going to be able to do anything anyone would want |
| 20:08.17 | JeffM2501 | what would our recovery plan be? |
| 20:08.20 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 20:08.30 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, a lot of people save it on their comps dont they? |
| 20:08.37 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, yes |
| 20:08.40 | JeffM2501 | but who has the most current |
| 20:08.44 | JeffM2501 | there would be a lot of sorting |
| 20:08.49 | Gnurdux | hmm true |
| 20:08.51 | JeffM2501 | if we had an automated tarball system |
| 20:08.54 | Gnurdux | you can check modify dates |
| 20:08.58 | JeffM2501 | or a backup VCS then it would be better |
| 20:09.00 | Gnurdux | set one up |
| 20:09.08 | JeffM2501 | that's why I'm talking about it |
| 20:09.12 | Gnurdux | you could use SVN |
| 20:09.14 | Gnurdux | and CVS |
| 20:09.19 | JeffM2501 | no I would not want to mix them |
| 20:09.31 | JeffM2501 | you want something that you can easaly repopulate the other with |
| 20:09.32 | Gnurdux | alot of people like SVN |
| 20:09.33 | JeffM2501 | a real back up |
| 20:09.35 | JeffM2501 | I know they do |
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| 20:10.18 | Gnurdux | Tupone, why should they not update? |
| 20:10.20 | JeffM2501 | here at work I updated all of them |
| 20:10.25 | blast007 | Gnurdux: because it might be corrupt |
| 20:10.26 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, check out anon CVS head |
| 20:10.27 | Tupone | update can be broken |
| 20:10.32 | Gnurdux | blast007, why would it be corrupt? |
| 20:10.33 | JeffM2501 | they haven't synced |
| 20:10.37 | JeffM2501 | and it's on another system |
| 20:10.45 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, becuase SF may have lost data |
| 20:10.48 | blast007 | Gnurdux: because SF had some corruption |
| 20:10.49 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, thats something I hate about SF |
| 20:11.04 | Gnurdux | that anon isnt up to date |
| 20:11.06 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, can you please just let us talk and not butt in all the time |
| 20:11.08 | Gnurdux | do you know why they do it? |
| 20:11.18 | JeffM2501 | yes I do |
| 20:11.21 | JeffM2501 | for trafic |
| 20:11.23 | JeffM2501 | now hush |
| 20:11.24 | Gnurdux | ahh |
| 20:11.31 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, get latest from anon |
| 20:11.39 | JeffM2501 | that would be the last copy before dev went down |
| 20:11.40 | Tupone | yep, just remembering how :) |
| 20:11.49 | blast007 | ~bzcvs |
| 20:11.51 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 20:11.59 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:12.06 | JeffM2501 | maybe we should set up a weekly auto tarball to bzflag.bz |
| 20:12.11 | JeffM2501 | just for offline storage |
| 20:12.15 | Gnurdux | that wouldn't be hard |
| 20:12.25 | Gnurdux | that could even serve as a temporary backup |
| 20:12.32 | JeffM2501 | that was the POINT Gnurdux |
| 20:12.40 | JeffM2501 | thank you capt. obvious |
| 20:12.58 | Gnurdux | you could just do a cron task |
| 20:13.19 | blast007 | .... |
| 20:13.48 | blast007 | let's see...weekly auto tarball...yep, that implies some form of cron |
| 20:14.15 | Tupone | :) |
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| 20:17.35 | JeffM2501 | I know some have thought of dailys but I don't think our code changes that fast |
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| 20:21.32 | Gnurdux | it should :) |
| 20:22.27 | CBG | All set for release? |
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| 20:37.25 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I have a full backup of the cvsroot from about a week ago |
| 20:39.03 | Mr_Molez | the code that was lost, is it gone for good ? |
| 20:39.31 | brlcad | Mr_Molez: unlikely |
| 20:41.05 | brlcad | ~50 / 117000 |
| 20:41.06 | ibot | 0.000427350427 |
| 20:41.32 | brlcad | so there's a 0.04% chance that any given project is actually corrupted |
| 20:41.58 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:43.14 | Gnurdux | We anticipate that the sync's along with tarball generation will be re-enabled on Friday. |
| 20:43.21 | brlcad | i have the cvsroot and project data being automatically being backed up daily for another project, I'll just add bz to the list |
| 20:43.24 | Gnurdux | thats what it says |
| 20:43.45 | blast007 | Gnurdux: right |
| 20:43.58 | Gnurdux | so SF supports autogenerating tarballs |
| 20:44.08 | blast007 | for now, they want to allow us to compare the dev to anon |
| 20:44.13 | blast007 | to see if anything was lost |
| 20:44.17 | brlcad | among many other features they suport |
| 20:45.02 | brlcad | wd |
| 20:45.40 | brlcad | and I believe the tarball generation they're talking about is for the cvsroot |
| 20:45.43 | brlcad | not daily snapshots |
| 20:45.45 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 20:45.58 | brlcad | which is limited access |
| 20:47.27 | brlcad | http://www.area51newmexico.com/disturbing_universe/funny/shoplifters.jpg |
| 20:48.00 | blast007 | hehe |
| 20:52.27 | Gnurdux | does the server only allocate say 3 shots per person on a three-shot server? |
| 20:54.09 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:54.14 | blast007 | same with the clients iirc |
| 20:54.54 | Gnurdux | what happens if explodeTime < reloadTime |
| 20:54.59 | blast007 | actually, I can't say for sure...I haven't plaing with that stuff since 1.7 |
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| 21:09.16 | Gnurdux | hi A_Meteorite |
| 21:10.36 | A_Meteorite | hello? |
| 21:10.41 | A_Meteorite | woah, it just updated |
| 21:10.51 | A_Meteorite | hi |
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| 21:32.09 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, cool |
| 21:32.26 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, what do you think about dooing weeky tarballs onto .bz ? |
| 21:36.34 | brlcad | you mean snapshots of a checkout or of the root? |
| 21:36.42 | brlcad | i'm adding the root to my scripts now |
| 21:36.50 | brlcad | but that's just a backup |
| 21:36.53 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking snapshots of the root |
| 21:36.59 | JeffM2501 | sorry snapshots of a checkout |
| 21:37.01 | brlcad | i'm fine with either/boot |
| 21:37.05 | brlcad | s/boot/both/ |
| 21:37.05 | JeffM2501 | like a weekly tarball |
| 21:37.09 | brlcad | sure |
| 21:37.16 | brlcad | make it hourly if you want ;) |
| 21:37.18 | JeffM2501 | cus that may just help people who want source too |
| 21:37.26 | JeffM2501 | I don't think our code changes that fast :) |
| 21:37.37 | JeffM2501 | nor do I think we need a tarball for each change |
| 21:37.49 | JeffM2501 | it's extra stuff that would never be used |
| 21:37.53 | brlcad | could have it check every hour, and if there was a diff, make a new tarball |
| 21:37.59 | brlcad | s/hour/whatever/ |
| 21:38.00 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, you could save all of the changes in the backup CVS |
| 21:38.11 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, we don't have a backup CVS |
| 21:38.19 | Gnurdux | s/the/a |
| 21:38.23 | brlcad | JeffM2501: there is a bzflag user iirc for that sort of thing on .bz |
| 21:38.29 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:38.45 | JeffM2501 | if we did another vcs I'd kinda want it to be the main, and SF to be the backup |
| 21:38.49 | JeffM2501 | to handle /.ings |
| 21:39.17 | JeffM2501 | in all likelyhood SF will be better after this |
| 21:39.21 | JeffM2501 | as they learn there weak points |
| 21:39.29 | brlcad | in all likelihood .. yeah |
| 21:39.40 | brlcad | i'm sure theyre getting major heat for it |
| 21:39.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:39.55 | JeffM2501 | they are probably growing faster then they can handle |
| 21:40.03 | JeffM2501 | I just hope they have the finances to handle it |
| 21:40.04 | Gnurdux | how does SF make money? |
| 21:40.08 | JeffM2501 | donations |
| 21:40.14 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 21:40.14 | JeffM2501 | and sales of it's software IIRC |
| 21:40.18 | brlcad | selling SourceForge |
| 21:40.20 | Gnurdux | i thought they were a profit company |
| 21:40.21 | A_Meteorite | don't they got adds too? |
| 21:40.23 | A_Meteorite | *ads |
| 21:40.26 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, they are |
| 21:40.32 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mean they are profitable |
| 21:40.36 | Gnurdux | why donate to stockholders? |
| 21:40.42 | JeffM2501 | stockholders? |
| 21:40.43 | brlcad | they make most of their money selling sourceoforge enterprise iirc |
| 21:40.44 | A_Meteorite | (I don't see how they can make money with all that bandwidth they need) |
| 21:40.49 | brlcad | it's not a cheap piece of software |
| 21:40.50 | Gnurdux | thats where the money goes |
| 21:40.51 | JeffM2501 | not all for profit companys are public |
| 21:40.57 | Gnurdux | whats sourceforge enterprise? |
| 21:41.06 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, you have a lot to learn about companies |
| 21:41.19 | brlcad | Gnurdux: why don't you research it instead of asking me |
| 21:41.24 | A_Meteorite | hehe |
| 21:41.44 | Gnurdux | why do they host OSS products? |
| 21:41.50 | brlcad | dammit |
| 21:41.52 | JeffM2501 | techicnaly OSTG makes money from think geek too |
| 21:41.53 | A_Meteorite | http://www.vasoftware.com/sourceforge/index.php |
| 21:41.57 | Gnurdux | for publicity? |
| 21:42.05 | JeffM2501 | that's probably there best cash cow |
| 21:42.08 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, i just found that on google |
| 21:42.12 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, because they belive in OSS |
| 21:42.12 | A_Meteorite | I know |
| 21:42.20 | blast007 | next up, "< Gnurdux> why is the sky blue? do frogs sleep? how do I tie my shoes?" |
| 21:42.22 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, yes but it loses their money |
| 21:42.37 | brlcad | can you prove that? |
| 21:42.43 | A_Meteorite | they got ads too |
| 21:42.44 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, not really, as they get free development out of it |
| 21:42.45 | A_Meteorite | that makes money |
| 21:43.02 | Gnurdux | and publicity i guess |
| 21:43.07 | Gnurdux | ive HEARD of sourceforge |
| 21:43.09 | brlcad | free development, userbase testing, advertising, publicity, its a "good thing" |
| 21:43.19 | JeffM2501 | thinkgeek is probably the constant income that keeps em going |
| 21:43.26 | JeffM2501 | the others give them bosts I'd think |
| 21:43.46 | brlcad | JeffM2501: we had a couple sf guys on-site whilst evaluating enterprise.. they make a LOT off of it |
| 21:43.58 | JeffM2501 | well that's good |
| 21:44.04 | brlcad | they're #1 in the market and they know it |
| 21:44.08 | JeffM2501 | probalby put a lot of it back into dev tho |
| 21:44.09 | brlcad | and they charge like they know it |
| 21:44.27 | JeffM2501 | does any of that profit go back into running SF? |
| 21:44.30 | JeffM2501 | probably some |
| 21:44.32 | A_Meteorite | heh, I guess charging more makes everyone feel they are "pros"? |
| 21:44.34 | brlcad | yeah, most |
| 21:44.38 | JeffM2501 | well tha'ts good |
| 21:44.47 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, you get service out of it |
| 21:45.00 | brlcad | it's really steep pricing -- per-user based, not fixed pricing |
| 21:45.02 | JeffM2501 | we looked at SF, but it was more then we needed |
| 21:45.09 | JeffM2501 | we went with test track pro |
| 21:45.12 | Gnurdux | well SF is an example of a how companies can really help the open source world |
| 21:45.21 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, who's "we"? |
| 21:45.32 | brlcad | e.g. if you wanted enterprised installed at your office, you'll looking atou about a grand per person |
| 21:45.34 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, IIRC SF is an example how the open source world helps compaies :) |
| 21:45.40 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, my company |
| 21:45.44 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 21:45.54 | A_Meteorite | A grand per person?!?!?! |
| 21:46.00 | A_Meteorite | wow.. |
| 21:46.03 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, well they can help each other |
| 21:46.04 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, we are at about 600 per pop for test track pro |
| 21:46.15 | Gnurdux | but M$ style companies will either catch on or lose out |
| 21:46.18 | brlcad | yep |
| 21:46.24 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, open source helps MS too |
| 21:46.28 | Gnurdux | how? |
| 21:46.35 | JeffM2501 | by peple developing apps for windows |
| 21:46.39 | Gnurdux | true |
| 21:46.41 | JeffM2501 | makes people need more windows |
| 21:46.46 | Gnurdux | but they publicly denounce it |
| 21:46.48 | JeffM2501 | why do you think they are giving away VC now |
| 21:46.51 | brlcad | slightly different targets |
| 21:46.53 | JeffM2501 | they minimise it |
| 21:46.55 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, most OSS software workds on linux |
| 21:46.59 | brlcad | ttp is more for testing iirc |
| 21:47.05 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, not allways, your generalising |
| 21:47.15 | JeffM2501 | not every OSS app is linux or cross platform |
| 21:47.17 | Gnurdux | i said MOST |
| 21:47.24 | RPG_ | Gnurdux: do they teach you ANYTHING in school? |
| 21:47.24 | JeffM2501 | I'm not even sure tha'ts true |
| 21:47.30 | Gnurdux | RPG_, no |
| 21:47.34 | Gnurdux | im in middle school |
| 21:47.34 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, research before you open your mouth |
| 21:47.38 | RPG_ | bingo. |
| 21:47.43 | blast007 | there is a lot of open-source software that is Windows only |
| 21:47.55 | JeffM2501 | he's just a *nix biggot |
| 21:48.00 | Gnurdux | theres quire a bit of linux-only stuff too |
| 21:48.02 | brlcad | enterprise is geared towards groups wanting a one-stop configuration management product |
| 21:48.06 | A_Meteorite | only I would not put my trust in Windows for a server |
| 21:48.06 | brlcad | like rational rose and the sort |
| 21:48.07 | A_Meteorite | that's just me though |
| 21:48.16 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, i would trust it |
| 21:48.18 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, we got there project managment thingy |
| 21:48.19 | A_Meteorite | like, stuff that is mission-critical |
| 21:48.22 | Gnurdux | if it didnt cost as much as it did |
| 21:48.26 | JeffM2501 | bug, enhancment, tracking |
| 21:48.27 | JeffM2501 | all that |
| 21:48.32 | brlcad | from sf? |
| 21:48.37 | blast007 | I wouldn't trust IIS, but the rest of it is okay |
| 21:48.38 | JeffM2501 | no from Test track pro |
| 21:48.42 | JeffM2501 | they make more then testers :) |
| 21:49.00 | JeffM2501 | it is our project management |
| 21:49.03 | Gnurdux | how many people buy SF? |
| 21:49.03 | brlcad | yeah, I know -- there are probably a dozen "big boys" in that market |
| 21:49.04 | JeffM2501 | now it's more for small groups |
| 21:49.14 | JeffM2501 | SF was too much for us |
| 21:49.14 | brlcad | all charging 500-2000 per person |
| 21:49.33 | Gnurdux | what does your company do again? |
| 21:49.36 | JeffM2501 | I'd just like us to move away from SourceSafe |
| 21:49.40 | JeffM2501 | makes software Gnurdux |
| 21:49.45 | Gnurdux | obviously |
| 21:49.49 | Gnurdux | but what type of software? |
| 21:49.55 | JeffM2501 | CAD/CAM |
| 21:49.58 | brlcad | is ttp web based or windows tools? |
| 21:50.07 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, ether or |
| 21:50.07 | Gnurdux | thats architecture stuff right JeffM2501 ? |
| 21:50.12 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, no |
| 21:50.28 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, we run on a windows server ( had linux as an option ) and use a windows client |
| 21:50.29 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 21:50.35 | JeffM2501 | but have a couple of floating web licenses |
| 21:50.50 | Gnurdux | Delcam provides cad/cam solutions for 3D machining, toolmaking, 3D designing, modeling, mold making, inspection, reverse engineering. |
| 21:51.02 | JeffM2501 | 95% of our use is interneal so the windows client is fastest |
| 21:51.15 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, I'm very happy for delcam |
| 21:51.19 | JeffM2501 | whoever they are |
| 21:51.20 | Gnurdux | is it a good program? |
| 21:51.26 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 21:51.32 | JeffM2501 | it's not one of the big 3 |
| 21:51.33 | brlcad | sf.net will also host and manage enterprise for you on dedicated servers -- i wish they could let you "purchase" some of those features for the open source side too |
| 21:51.40 | trepan | wasn't there a "questions per hour" limit? |
| 21:51.42 | Gnurdux | what are the big three |
| 21:51.48 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, SHUT THE HELL UP |
| 21:51.54 | JeffM2501 | good lord man |
| 21:51.55 | RPG_ | yay |
| 21:51.56 | bryjen | wow |
| 21:52.01 | JeffM2501 | you want another ban? |
| 21:52.02 | A_Meteorite | woah |
| 21:52.09 | A_Meteorite | didn't think I would see that coming from Jeff O_o |
| 21:52.10 | JeffM2501 | use /msg |
| 21:52.24 | JeffM2501 | I gets on your nevers after a while ya know |
| 21:52.26 | blast007 | it was only a matter of time...one can only stand so much Gnurdux |
| 21:52.29 | CBG | A_Meteorite: even Jeff has some limits. |
| 21:52.30 | JeffM2501 | your as bad as my friends 3 year old |
| 21:52.36 | brlcad | it got on my nerves by the "dammit" |
| 21:52.47 | blast007 | brlcad: hehe |
| 21:52.59 | RPG_ | trepan: lol |
| 21:53.30 | CBG | over 10 mins ago. heh |
| 21:53.33 | JeffM2501 | I think we also looked at bugzilla but managment wanted to pay for it to have service on the other end |
| 21:53.44 | JeffM2501 | and I can understand that to some degree |
| 21:53.49 | brlcad | yeah, we did too |
| 21:53.53 | JeffM2501 | since the project manager CAN'T fail |
| 21:54.05 | JeffM2501 | Sourcesafe is bugging me tho lately tho |
| 21:54.09 | Gnurdux | that makes sense. isnt that the main reason people buy things like RH Enterprise Linux> |
| 21:54.30 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, your over your daily question limit |
| 21:54.33 | JeffM2501 | just read |
| 21:54.39 | JeffM2501 | don't try to push yourself into the convos |
| 21:55.25 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, well if you wanted to set up automated tarballs I don't think anyone would complain |
| 21:55.29 | JeffM2501 | I don't think we lost any code |
| 21:55.40 | JeffM2501 | other then what tupone mentioned, but that's probably just a bug |
| 21:55.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah she's been away a while? |
| 21:55.51 | A_Meteorite | RH Enterprise? Why not build it yourself! :D |
| 21:56.01 | brlcad | yeah, few days |
| 21:56.08 | JeffM2501 | probably vacation |
| 21:56.15 | Tupone | I got a segfault with last version :/ |
| 21:56.27 | Tupone | 2.0 |
| 21:56.27 | brlcad | nah, .. :) |
| 21:56.27 | JeffM2501 | how old? |
| 21:56.37 | JeffM2501 | I had some bugs before cvs came back |
| 21:56.39 | brlcad | as for the repo, I checked mine |
| 21:56.43 | JeffM2501 | they have been fixed |
| 21:56.43 | Tupone | 30 minutes ago? |
| 21:56.46 | brlcad | no corruption to be seen |
| 21:56.46 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 21:56.47 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 21:56.51 | JeffM2501 | then not me :) |
| 21:57.00 | JeffM2501 | unless I didn't get all the effects |
| 21:57.08 | Tupone | I always have... some any 2/3 days |
| 21:57.09 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, where did it die? |
| 21:57.28 | Tupone | it died here :) |
| 21:57.31 | Tupone | I don't know |
| 21:57.34 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:57.38 | Tupone | just get segfault |
| 21:57.48 | JeffM2501 | oh tha'ts run you all don't do debug by default |
| 21:58.00 | Tupone | when I did with debugger, it did not crash |
| 21:58.06 | JeffM2501 | I hate those |
| 21:58.25 | Tupone | even if I did without, just sometime crash |
| 21:58.31 | brlcad | Tupone: sounds like time for a valgrinding |
| 21:58.35 | JeffM2501 | valgind time! |
| 21:58.37 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:58.49 | brlcad | gmta |
| 21:58.57 | JeffM2501 | exactlt |
| 21:59.04 | brlcad | scary how many times |
| 21:59.13 | JeffM2501 | I just wish that great minds had writen this plugin |
| 21:59.22 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:59.33 | JeffM2501 | if I could show you this code, you'd see a horible coding style |
| 21:59.40 | JeffM2501 | if (thing) dothing(): |
| 21:59.47 | JeffM2501 | else dootherthing(); |
| 22:00.05 | RPG_ | lol, a coding syle with syntax errors |
| 22:00.08 | JeffM2501 | with about 7 tabs between the end of the if and the start of the function |
| 22:00.32 | JeffM2501 | and the variable names are in french |
| 22:00.40 | blast007 | lol |
| 22:01.41 | brlcad | crazy french coders |
| 22:01.52 | brlcad | almost as bad as those italian coders |
| 22:02.14 | bryjen | speghetti code! |
| 22:02.17 | bryjen | ;) |
| 22:02.19 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:04.14 | Tupone | code from anonymous does not even compile :/ at least with debug enabled |
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| 22:08.48 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, did you kill userpassdbs? |
| 22:09.03 | JeffM2501 | read the commit logs |
| 22:09.51 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.51 | Gnurdux | TODO: replace local reg with something that uses like encryption and the in game password... if we want to do local reg at all. |
| 22:09.51 | Gnurdux | # |
| 22:10.02 | blast007 | he said read it, not paste it |
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| 22:21.17 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 22:35.04 | brlcad | Tupone: i wouldn't worry about anonymous, it's out of sync by a couple weeks now |
| 22:35.14 | A_Meteorite | A couple WEEKS? |
| 22:35.18 | Tupone | ahh ok |
| 22:35.19 | brlcad | it'll fix itself |
| 22:35.45 | brlcad | well, more than a week, less than 2 |
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| 22:36.03 | Tupone | so ... could you compare main trunk with your backup ? |
| 22:36.48 | brlcad | yeah |
| 22:36.50 | brlcad | looked fine |
| 22:37.09 | Tupone | ok, so I should just check who broken full screen |
| 22:37.19 | Tupone | broke :) |
| 22:37.23 | brlcad | yeah |
| 22:37.47 | brlcad | maybe the sdl_image stuff is related |
| 22:38.02 | brlcad | png warnings.. that was disabled |
| 22:38.36 | Tupone | in both branch and main? |
| 22:39.02 | brlcad | don't remember |
| 22:39.10 | brlcad | maybe it was the authors file :) |
| 22:39.37 | Tupone | hmm I should check... that is broken, does not even compile |
| 22:51.44 | menotume | it was the line I added to TODO, my fault |
| 22:52.50 | JeffM2501 | didn't trepan disable sdlImage? |
| 22:53.56 | menotume | right, his fault |
| 22:56.27 | menotume | Tupone: I get segfaults from time to time too |
| 22:56.34 | Tupone | that is |
| 22:56.45 | Tupone | time to time being? |
| 22:56.50 | menotume | it seems to have something to do with joining multiple servers quickly |
| 22:57.05 | menotume | like, maybe if you join another server while auth is still happening for the last one |
| 22:57.15 | menotume | has happened for me for several months :) |
| 22:57.40 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.01 | Tupone | line 9 of what? |
| 22:58.29 | menotume | dunno, doesn't say |
| 22:58.41 | brlcad | line 9 of his shell script |
| 22:58.42 | menotume | lemme enable coredumps and see if i can reproduce it |
| 22:58.47 | menotume | ahh, yes |
| 22:58.51 | menotume | correct :) |
| 22:58.55 | brlcad | process id 9571 |
| 22:59.02 | menotume | oh, useless |
| 22:59.04 | menotume | :) |
| 22:59.38 | brlcad | for this particular situation.. yep :) |
| 23:03.12 | Tupone | what should be the default for panelOpacity ? |
| 23:03.52 | brlcad | not opaque is all I recall |
| 23:04.32 | Tupone | 0.300000 is the value I get in config.cfg. Hope is good |
| 23:05.42 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.06 | Tupone | ok, I got an error from valgrind that I'm fixing |
| 23:06.35 | brlcad | i love this pictre: { "panelopacity", "0.3", true, StateDatabase::ReadWrite, NULL }, |
| 23:06.38 | brlcad | er.. |
| 23:06.44 | brlcad | this one: http://brandnew.pbwiki.com/f/0000ckza.gif :) |
| 23:07.04 | brlcad | cracks me up.. been there too many times |
| 23:14.08 | JeffM2501 | yay boobies! |
| 23:14.29 | purple_cow | so true... |
| 23:16.41 | JeffM2501 | sadly most people who need to see that, wouldn't get it |
| 23:17.30 | L4m3r | <PROTECTED> |
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