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00:21.02 | SportChick | JeffM2501: ping |
00:21.08 | SportChick | DTRemenak: ping |
00:21.28 | menotume | DTRemenak: ping |
00:21.36 | SportChick | menotume: I beat you to it :p |
00:21.39 | menotume | :) |
00:22.02 | JeffM2501 | ? |
00:22.15 | SportChick | JeffM2501: in windows, how does -echo know where to write the file? |
00:22.33 | JeffM2501 | it's hardcoded |
00:22.41 | menotume | ahhh |
00:22.52 | JeffM2501 | so the answer is "magic" |
00:22.57 | menotume | we don't rust that windoze users can redirect ? |
00:23.08 | JeffM2501 | it's not a redirect thing |
00:23.08 | menotume | trust |
00:23.16 | JeffM2501 | only stdio is redirected |
00:23.21 | JeffM2501 | NOT stderr |
00:23.24 | JeffM2501 | or vice versa |
00:23.32 | menotume | hmmm |
00:23.38 | JeffM2501 | basilcy windows only has one |
00:23.40 | JeffM2501 | not both |
00:23.51 | JeffM2501 | so the same thing that works on nix would not work on windows |
00:23.57 | JeffM2501 | so I made it dump to a file |
00:24.01 | menotume | k |
00:25.01 | JeffM2501 | it should be trivial to have it look for a file path in the config, and then hardcode it if it dosn't exist |
00:25.25 | menotume | i think what is need is to append i/o overwrite |
00:25.41 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it wipes out the file on launch |
00:25.44 | JeffM2501 | then appends from then on |
00:26.39 | menotume | gotya |
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00:27.38 | JeffM2501 | best would be to have it go out to a generic loging system on any OS |
00:27.52 | menotume | ewww |
00:28.21 | JeffM2501 | then I'm sure it's fine on nix |
00:28.35 | menotume | sure, you can do whatever you want with it |
00:28.43 | menotume | same for win, if you write a batch file i suppose |
00:28.46 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't realy matter for me |
00:29.14 | YOURDEAD | hi jeff |
00:30.02 | JeffM2501 | hello |
00:32.40 | YOURDEAD | who ownes this chat? |
00:32.49 | JeffM2501 | freenode |
00:32.57 | JeffM2501 | and the server owner |
00:33.04 | JeffM2501 | owners |
00:33.07 | JeffM2501 | as it is spaned |
00:34.43 | JeffM2501 | what exactly are you needing to know about it? |
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00:39.52 | YOURDEAD | hi gnurdux |
00:40.22 | YOURDEAD | i jus am wondering |
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01:34.36 | ohgood | i just emerged bzflag-2.0.2.20050318 but game play is sloooooooow. glxgears is working fine. anyone have an idea what can cause this ? |
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01:51.21 | YOURDEAD | hi all |
01:53.18 | CBG | Hey! :) |
01:53.53 | YOURDEAD | HI |
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02:51.49 | trepan | DTRemenak: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/fountain2.jpg , 30000 particles, big FPS hit up close with the overtexturing |
02:52.25 | brlcad | mm.. better blending |
02:52.28 | brlcad | purdy |
02:53.36 | trepan | up close: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/fountain3.jpg |
02:53.38 | brlcad | do the particles collide with each other? |
02:53.51 | trepan | heh, nope |
02:54.14 | brlcad | with the world? :) |
02:54.18 | brlcad | that's nice.. |
02:54.19 | trepan | simple parabolic |
02:55.08 | trepan | (correct gravity though :) |
02:56.10 | brlcad | point based with one of a set of fixed set of render contexts? |
02:56.38 | brlcad | or do they have dimension too? |
02:56.59 | trepan | gl points in a drawInfo (random cylindrical dist.), mod'ed by the vert shader for position and point sprite size |
02:57.24 | trepan | also use the normals for some extra speed controls, and texcoord0 for coloring |
02:58.18 | trepan | can do manual shaping on the flow, waves and what not |
02:58.26 | brlcad | ahh, glpoints |
02:58.43 | trepan | with point sprite ext. |
02:58.44 | brlcad | no wonder framerate takes a hit :) |
02:59.01 | trepan | so it is textured |
02:59.21 | trepan | gl points don't really cause the fps hit |
02:59.26 | trepan | it's the overdraw |
02:59.48 | trepan | if I limit the point size, the fps stays over 1000 |
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03:10.17 | trepan | still haven't done alpha threshold + texture for shadows and preZ pass |
03:10.27 | trepan | purple_cow: which engine? |
03:10.40 | purple_cow | none in particular |
03:10.55 | trepan | what features would make it real? |
03:11.08 | purple_cow | it's not so much a feature thing as an architecture thing |
03:12.48 | trepan | which arch then? deferred? |
03:13.27 | purple_cow | something less hacky than bzflag |
03:13.59 | trepan | it's hacky, but the core idea is the same, sceneNodes/culling, renderNodes/material management |
03:14.52 | trepan | wouldn't be as much fun to hack on ogre or osg cores when they're already settled |
03:15.32 | purple_cow | heh |
03:15.33 | trepan | and doing the conversion is almost a no brainer, just a bunch of typing :) |
03:16.47 | trepan | (then again, the same description could be used for the additions i've made) |
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03:53.12 | trepan | suckered myself that time, posted a 25 byte example map on bzbb to show that map size != complexity, and locked up my comp for 5 mins. |
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03:56.42 | DtTvBz|Sleep | HeLLo. |
04:11.07 | orange | trepan: lol |
04:22.27 | DtTvBz|Sleep | Who? |
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08:17.35 | LePoulpe303 | Hi all ! |
08:20.29 | DtTvB | Hello. |
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09:15.26 | LePoulpe303 | i was wondering if it would'nt be interesting to make an UI for bzadmin |
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13:44.47 | YOURDEAD | HI ALL |
13:44.54 | DtTvB | HI! |
13:47.56 | DtTvB | Silent... |
13:48.00 | DtTvB | - -+ |
13:48.32 | YOURDEAD | u wana be a op at my bzflag chat? |
13:48.40 | YOURDEAD | type /join YDs |
13:48.44 | DtTvB | OK. |
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14:21.20 | YOURDEAD | hi blast |
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14:34.50 | CBG | Is there any reasonable reason why I can reach the list server from a 2.0.4 clint opened from terminal, but not my old 2.0.5 client which was opened by double-clinking the .app...? |
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14:39.19 | YOURDEAD | oh hi cbg |
14:39.46 | CBG | hi. |
14:40.00 | CBG | My IRC client also won't connect. |
14:40.05 | CBG | This is really odd. |
14:53.02 | DtTvB | http://my.bzflag.org/db - any ideas? |
14:54.02 | DtTvB | All I know that last 26 hex numbers |
14:55.20 | DtTvB | is max players, purple current, purple max, blue current, blue max, green, green max, red, red max, rogue, rogue max, observ, observ max |
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15:00.25 | eXtreme | CBGx2: :o |
15:00.37 | eXtreme | firewall problems? |
15:00.42 | CBGx2 | no icea |
15:00.46 | CBGx2 | idea* |
15:00.56 | CBGx2 | Can't connect to freenode from either of 2 irc clients |
15:01.04 | CBGx2 | but can from CGI:IRC as you can see. |
15:01.09 | eXtreme | try disabling your firewall for a bit |
15:01.21 | CBGx2 | I dont think its on. |
15:01.26 | menotume | CBGx2: 2 words .... NEW ISP |
15:01.35 | CBGx2 | menotume: heh |
15:01.50 | CBGx2 | I was fine at 3AM... now, at 3PM...... |
15:01.51 | eXtreme | yeah, go for AOL |
15:01.58 | YOURDEAD | can some 1 help me? |
15:01.58 | CBGx2 | ~lart AOL |
15:02.09 | eXtreme | YOURDEAD: with what? |
15:02.23 | YOURDEAD | ANY 1 KNOW Alex 135? |
15:02.32 | CBGx2 | I know of him. |
15:02.41 | YOURDEAD | nsome jerk banned me and him from that cheat server for no reason |
15:03.07 | YOURDEAD | cbg wana be a op at my chat? |
15:03.17 | YOURDEAD | ntype /join YDs |
15:03.27 | CBGx2 | YOURDEAD: no thanks |
15:03.45 | eXtreme | YOURDEAD: How can we help? |
15:03.51 | eXtreme | YOURDEAD: contact the server owner. |
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15:04.09 | polytan | hi |
15:04.23 | eXtreme | hello |
15:04.24 | polytan | can we play bzflag alone with bots ? |
15:04.31 | YOURDEAD | the server owner is bzfire hey bzfire u hear?? |
15:04.33 | eXtreme | yes |
15:04.48 | eXtreme | start your client with -solo <number_of_bots> |
15:04.54 | menotume | bzfire has a cheat server ? |
15:04.55 | polytan | only ? |
15:04.59 | eXtreme | bzflag -solo 3 |
15:05.01 | polytan | good ! |
15:05.19 | polytan | and there are intellingence levels ? |
15:05.26 | CBGx2 | Nope. |
15:05.27 | eXtreme | heh, no |
15:05.33 | menotume | yes, one level - dumb |
15:05.35 | polytan | all right |
15:05.38 | eXtreme | :) |
15:05.47 | polytan | what's dumb ,? |
15:05.54 | eXtreme | you can also put your client on autopilot by pressing 9 |
15:06.05 | eXtreme | polytan: the bots are dumb |
15:06.11 | polytan | ok |
15:06.29 | YOURDEAD | nyes menotume he does |
15:06.34 | polytan | i've just a low internet connections, so i play alone :/ |
15:06.40 | YOURDEAD | hey menetume wana be a @ at my chat? |
15:06.41 | DtTvB | http://my.bzflag.org/db - Are there the structure of it for each line? |
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15:07.27 | eXtreme | DtTvB: have you looked at bzflist.php ? |
15:07.30 | eXtreme | might help you |
15:07.37 | eXtreme | it's in CVS |
15:07.46 | eXtreme | in the misc/ dir |
15:07.46 | YOURDEAD | menotume u hear? |
15:07.54 | menotume | i heard, adnd not hx |
15:07.58 | polytan | good bye, |
15:07.59 | menotume | (no thx) |
15:08.01 | polytan | see you later ! |
15:08.06 | eXtreme | cya |
15:08.13 | YOURDEAD | okey dokey |
15:08.13 | YOURDEAD | nbye |
15:08.13 | polytan | ++ |
15:08.14 | Guu` | polytan: WTF mate? |
15:08.15 | menotume | and, its ... /join #Yds (note the #) :) |
15:08.33 | eXtreme | menotume: don't need the # in cgi:irc :S |
15:08.34 | YOURDEAD | nnoits /join YDS |
15:08.40 | YOURDEAD | YDs |
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15:08.42 | menotume | oh |
15:08.50 | menotume | who uses that ? |
15:08.51 | menotume | :P |
15:08.52 | CBGx2 | Yes! |
15:08.53 | YOURDEAD | U CAN BE A @ ANY TIME U WANT |
15:08.55 | *** part/#bzflag CBGx2 (n=3eff0004@yossman.net) |
15:08.56 | DtTvB | Noope. |
15:08.57 | eXtreme | him I guess :) |
15:09.05 | YOURDEAD | nits my chat |
15:09.14 | DtTvB | Which file ing... |
15:09.23 | DtTvB | the source that shows it? |
15:09.33 | YOURDEAD | who wones this chat??? |
15:09.44 | DtTvB | I know from Packet Filterer |
15:09.50 | eXtreme | YOURDEAD: TimRiker is the channel owner. |
15:09.59 | DtTvB | that it connects by the post method to |
15:10.03 | menotume | DtTvB: I think you want bzfquery.php |
15:10.04 | eXtreme | if you menats "owns" :) |
15:10.06 | DtTvB | my.bzflag,irg/ |
15:10.10 | eXtreme | meanst |
15:10.11 | CBG | I had manually set my network card to always use 192.168.1.2. I reset it to DCHP and now it works. |
15:10.13 | DtTvB | How? |
15:10.13 | eXtreme | meant |
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15:26.40 | DtTvBv2 | YOURDEAD: |
15:26.47 | DtTvBv2 | <PROTECTED> |
15:26.55 | YOURDEAD | yes? |
15:26.59 | DtTvBv2 | <PROTECTED> |
15:27.04 | YOURDEAD | YDs |
15:27.08 | DtTvBv2 | OK |
15:27.09 | YOURDEAD | ntype /join YDs |
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16:30.46 | pianoboy3333 | What would I have to do to start a LAN game with bzfs, I know how to use bzfs, but it resolves to 127.0.0.1 which is localhost, how do I use that for a LAN game, I think I'm confused...... HELP! |
16:33.37 | pianoboy3333 | please.... :-) |
16:51.21 | pianoboy3333 | Can anyone tell me how to start a LAN game with bzfs? |
16:51.52 | menotume | have the other users on the LAN do a 'find server' |
16:52.46 | pianoboy3333 | menotume: and I can use localhost for the IP addr to host? |
16:53.12 | menotume | yes, for the machine that is running bzfs |
16:53.21 | pianoboy3333 | menotume: kk, thx |
16:54.06 | menotume | i bet he'll be back :P |
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17:16.00 | findlay | ~seen TimRiker |
17:16.08 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #classiccmp, 1d 12h 20m 23s ago, saying: 'nite'. |
17:21.42 | BenUrban|work | ~seen BenUrban|work |
17:21.46 | ibot | benurban|work is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 4s, last said: '~seen BenUrban|work'. |
17:21.56 | CBG | heh... |
17:22.00 | BenUrban|work | well... |
17:22.05 | BenUrban|work | he didn't lie about that... |
17:22.14 | BenUrban|work | !seen BenUrban|work |
17:22.34 | BenUrban|work | what happened to guu? |
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17:22.58 | findlay | sure ibot isn't a she? |
17:23.13 | BenUrban|work | ~gender |
17:23.14 | ibot | I'm not sure |
17:23.20 | BenUrban|work | no, i'm not sure |
17:23.27 | BenUrban|work | :D |
17:23.58 | CBG | hah |
17:24.05 | CBG | BenUrban|work: Get back to work! |
17:24.15 | BenUrban|work | windows takes a long time to reinstall |
17:24.25 | CBG | heh |
17:24.46 | BenUrban|work | * BenUrban|work is at work <-- redundancy |
17:25.33 | BenUrban|work | <BenUrban|work> * BenUrban|work is at work <-- redundancy <-- more redundancy |
17:25.36 | BenUrban|work | ...sorry |
17:26.18 | BenUrban|work | hmm this install is running much faster than some |
17:26.23 | BenUrban|work | it's already rebooting |
17:26.33 | BenUrban|work | yay, less waiting for me |
17:26.44 | CBG | ... Spam!! :P |
17:28.08 | BenUrban|work | it then cooks it, and i eat it |
17:28.25 | BenUrban|work | the ink tends to cause problems thogh |
17:29.13 | CBG | :/ |
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17:34.34 | romfis | test |
17:35.06 | CBG | hey romfis :) |
17:35.17 | romfis | hi |
17:35.19 | romfis | lol |
17:35.32 | romfis | i testing trillian :) |
17:35.39 | CBG | cool ;) |
17:35.47 | CBG | seems to work ;) |
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18:32.19 | Birdie | gu is down, |
18:32.21 | Birdie | ? |
18:32.22 | Birdie | (bot) |
18:32.52 | findlay | ~bzfrag gu |
18:33.03 | ToughShooter | Birdie: huh? |
18:34.21 | CBG | ~gu5154 |
18:34.45 | CBG | Seems fine Birdie :) |
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18:40.22 | Birdie | hmm |
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19:02.36 | me1 | is it possible to make it so a team flag doesn't spawn at the base, but only in the flag zones i set? |
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19:03.56 | Gnurdux | i still need help with my problem |
19:04.03 | Gnurdux | bzflag looks really crappy when run in a window |
19:04.21 | JeffM2501 | what driver? |
19:04.50 | Gnurdux | thats not my main problem |
19:05.04 | Gnurdux | the problem is causing me to have to run it in a window |
19:05.09 | JeffM2501 | what driver? |
19:05.11 | JeffM2501 | :) |
19:05.19 | Gnurdux | the problem is that, during full screen mode, only one quartile of the screen shows up |
19:05.20 | JeffM2501 | and OS |
19:05.32 | JeffM2501 | it allways comes down to the driver |
19:05.37 | Grumbler | ah, i have seen that before |
19:05.39 | Gnurdux | and thtis wasnt happening until a couple days ago when i dbooted the cop up after a week, upgraded debian, and restarted |
19:06.01 | Gnurdux | i have an integrated Intel video card |
19:06.07 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
19:06.19 | Gnurdux | debian GNU/Linux testing, etch |
19:06.22 | JeffM2501 | oh you upgraded debian |
19:06.24 | Gnurdux | it uses Xorg |
19:06.29 | JeffM2501 | you probalby lost your drivers |
19:06.31 | Gnurdux | no |
19:06.39 | Grumbler | i my case the defualt desktop resolution was different than my bzflag playing resolution...always have to go back and change the bzflag resolution, then change it back....pita |
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19:06.44 | Gnurdux | i did a standard apt-get dist-upgrade |
19:06.49 | JeffM2501 | I'd see if there are any updated drivers |
19:06.50 | Gnurdux | and glxgears works |
19:06.57 | Gnurdux | it didnt work right after the upgrade |
19:06.59 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not glxgears |
19:07.07 | Gnurdux | bzflag ran really slow and direct renderring didnt work |
19:07.15 | Gnurdux | so i rebooted and it was fine |
19:07.15 | Grumbler | althought it did stay at a holiday inn last night |
19:07.31 | Gnurdux | can glxgears be run full screen? |
19:07.35 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, do you even KNOW what drivers you are using? or do you just keep rebooting |
19:07.41 | JeffM2501 | glxgears is NOT bzflag |
19:07.43 | Gnurdux | i only rebooted one |
19:07.46 | JeffM2501 | it works using difrents tuff |
19:07.52 | JeffM2501 | what driver are you using? |
19:07.53 | Gnurdux | let me check the driver |
19:08.17 | TimRiker | glxinfo | grep renderer |
19:08.28 | Gnurdux | Mikey:/home/gnurdux# glxinfo | grep renderer |
19:08.28 | Gnurdux | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 865G 20050225 x86/MMX/SSE2 |
19:08.36 | JeffM2501 | IIRC intel has a 3rd party driver for linux |
19:08.37 | Gnurdux | thnx TimRiker |
19:08.41 | TimRiker | np |
19:08.43 | JeffM2501 | your using mesa |
19:09.01 | Gnurdux | TimRiker, have you ever heard of only the bottom left-had quartile showing buildings? |
19:09.11 | Gnurdux | the rest just showing grass |
19:09.12 | TimRiker | Gnurdux: not till now. |
19:09.13 | JeffM2501 | it happens when the stencel buffer is wrong |
19:09.17 | JeffM2501 | I've seen it |
19:09.21 | JeffM2501 | on non compliant drivers |
19:09.23 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, you have? |
19:09.26 | JeffM2501 | yes |
19:09.27 | Gnurdux | stencil buffer? |
19:09.31 | Gnurdux | whats that? |
19:09.32 | JeffM2501 | yes |
19:09.39 | Gnurdux | and how do i fix :( |
19:09.41 | JeffM2501 | part of what we use to clip out stuff for the hud |
19:09.44 | JeffM2501 | you get a good drier |
19:09.46 | TimRiker | I've seen just the left half of the screen. similar driver issue. |
19:09.47 | JeffM2501 | your using DRI |
19:09.54 | JeffM2501 | let me find you a real driver |
19:09.55 | JeffM2501 | one sec |
19:10.00 | JeffM2501 | DRI blows |
19:10.02 | JeffM2501 | and blows hard |
19:10.14 | Gnurdux | i never had any problem until 2 days ago |
19:10.27 | JeffM2501 | when you upgraded and changed your driver |
19:10.43 | JeffM2501 | is this a laptop or desktop? |
19:10.47 | Gnurdux | you think the upgrade installed a new driver? |
19:10.49 | Gnurdux | desktop |
19:11.05 | JeffM2501 | I know the upgrade installed a new driver |
19:11.08 | JeffM2501 | since it upgraded X |
19:11.16 | Gnurdux | how do you know it upgraded X? |
19:11.39 | JeffM2501 | because that's what dist upgrade does :) |
19:11.46 | Gnurdux | not always |
19:11.51 | Gnurdux | i dist-upgrade every time |
19:11.53 | JeffM2501 | often L( |
19:11.55 | JeffM2501 | :) |
19:11.59 | Gnurdux | once a week or so |
19:12.01 | JeffM2501 | and if you have problems now, it has to have |
19:12.07 | Gnurdux | ok |
19:12.40 | JeffM2501 | basicly you need to do what this page says |
19:12.41 | JeffM2501 | http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/linux/ |
19:12.45 | JeffM2501 | or get a real video card |
19:12.49 | JeffM2501 | that uses real drivers |
19:12.54 | Gnurdux | do i wanna run a closed source driver? |
19:13.19 | JeffM2501 | the usualy are the best |
19:13.40 | Gnurdux | what is wrong with my current driver? |
19:13.41 | JeffM2501 | since they are made by people who know the hardware, not people guesing |
19:13.45 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't work forbzflag |
19:13.48 | Gnurdux | the problem is restricted to bzflag |
19:13.48 | JeffM2501 | as you have shown |
19:13.58 | JeffM2501 | glxgears dosn't use a stencel buffer |
19:13.59 | JeffM2501 | we do |
19:14.06 | JeffM2501 | your driver is not open GL compliant |
19:14.45 | Gnurdux | but it used to be |
19:14.54 | JeffM2501 | then ether you used to use another driver |
19:15.00 | JeffM2501 | or they broke something |
19:15.05 | JeffM2501 | what driver were you using before? |
19:15.10 | Gnurdux | same driver |
19:15.14 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, one thing |
19:15.23 | JeffM2501 | same exact version? |
19:15.27 | JeffM2501 | and same version of mesa? |
19:15.34 | Gnurdux | Linux* and many other operating systems use a standard display method called an X Server. This driver is an X Server, actually a popular version called XFree86*, which many Linux distributions support today. This driver is based on XFree86 3.3.6 and should only be used on systems with XFree86 3.3.6 installed. Although this driver was tested on Red Hat* Linux* 6.2 distribution, it can be adapted for use with most other operating sys |
19:15.34 | Gnurdux | tems. |
19:15.39 | Gnurdux | that seems a bit old |
19:15.48 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, it prolly got upgraded |
19:15.59 | JeffM2501 | it's an old message |
19:16.14 | Gnurdux | it also says they opened to soruce |
19:16.18 | JeffM2501 | ok |
19:16.21 | Gnurdux | so where would i get another driver |
19:16.27 | Gnurdux | one that workso n xorg |
19:16.28 | JeffM2501 | I don't know |
19:17.03 | JeffM2501 | it's your system |
19:17.22 | JeffM2501 | personaly I'd check and see if there are any driver packages for your chipset |
19:17.28 | JeffM2501 | in your distro |
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19:17.35 | JeffM2501 | if not then see if there is new dri |
19:17.45 | JeffM2501 | but then I'd also never run that video |
19:18.39 | Gnurdux | http://pastebin.ca/42264 |
19:19.26 | JeffM2501 | umm ok, what is that suposed to do? |
19:19.49 | JeffM2501 | at some point your going to have to do the research yourself |
19:19.51 | Gnurdux | returns all packages with the word xorg in their descriptions |
19:19.51 | JeffM2501 | it's YOUR system |
19:20.07 | JeffM2501 | the same drivers work for xorg as for xfree |
19:20.23 | Gnurdux | that intel driver looked a bit old |
19:20.29 | JeffM2501 | if you say so |
19:22.11 | JeffM2501 | basicly you need a driver that works, how you choose to get it is up to you. I've given you what I think is where you have to go |
19:22.14 | JeffM2501 | what you do is up to you |
19:22.53 | Gnurdux | so the stencil buffer in this driver is borked |
19:22.56 | Gnurdux | one thing |
19:23.04 | Gnurdux | whats another prog that uses a stencil buffer |
19:23.08 | JeffM2501 | that is what it apears to be based on your description |
19:23.12 | JeffM2501 | I don't know |
19:23.20 | JeffM2501 | but it could just be the way we use it |
19:23.24 | JeffM2501 | or the order we do things in |
19:23.27 | Gnurdux | but glxgears doesnt? |
19:23.29 | JeffM2501 | trying other apps won't get you fixed |
19:23.52 | JeffM2501 | stencels are not used that much, mostly in HUD stuff, and shadows |
19:23.53 | Gnurdux | i know |
19:24.03 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, but the shadows show up |
19:24.07 | JeffM2501 | ok |
19:24.09 | Gnurdux | on the missing side of the screen |
19:24.12 | JeffM2501 | ok |
19:24.17 | Gnurdux | its only the buildings that dont |
19:24.24 | Gnurdux | and it works fine in windowed mode |
19:24.29 | JeffM2501 | the stencels job is to block out parts of the scene |
19:24.50 | JeffM2501 | to me it sounds like your chipset dosn't have enough video ram to make all the full screen buffers |
19:24.57 | JeffM2501 | how much do you have and what res do you run? |
19:25.13 | Gnurdux | why would that change? |
19:25.14 | blast007 | he said it worked before he upgraded his system, iirc |
19:25.19 | Gnurdux | 8mb, 1024x768 |
19:25.24 | blast007 | s/system/os/ |
19:25.26 | JeffM2501 | then his driver is dealing with ram difrently after the upgrade |
19:25.30 | JeffM2501 | wow that's not much |
19:25.33 | JeffM2501 | but it shoudl work |
19:25.37 | Gnurdux | its integrated |
19:25.44 | blast007 | i865 |
19:25.55 | JeffM2501 | the only other thing I can tell you is to talk to your driver deveoper |
19:26.01 | blast007 | my i855 on 'doze doesn't have any issues like that, even at the same res |
19:26.04 | JeffM2501 | there isn't anything in bzflag that can be done to "fix" it |
19:26.19 | JeffM2501 | blast007, because your using a real intel driver, not DRI :) |
19:26.25 | blast007 | yeah ;) |
19:26.31 | JeffM2501 | it's all the driver |
19:26.45 | blast007 | but I don't like the intel driver either |
19:26.52 | JeffM2501 | they do suck |
19:27.25 | blast007 | it keeps switching to the external display when I use RDP, so when I go back to the laptop, I have to blindly type my username/password |
19:28.00 | blast007 | my Savage IX was better in that regard :) |
19:28.09 | Gnurdux | maybe i ought to ask in #xorg |
19:31.40 | ToughShooter | blast007: This reminds me a bit on my laptop, when it starts it needs around 45 seconds to even display something on the screen. When I've turned off sound I often shut the OS down while booting because I think it doesn't start. :) |
19:32.31 | blast007 | hehe |
19:33.43 | ToughShooter | Overall performance is really good (except the old graphics card that doesn't deliver very much FPS in bz), including startup, just the screen stays black a long time |
19:39.48 | JeffM2501 | the intel video solution just isn't that good |
19:40.00 | JeffM2501 | a 20$ nvidia card beats it in every way |
19:42.51 | blast007 | yeah |
19:44.06 | bryjen | i think the xfree-to-xorg fork may have destabilized something in the intel drivers. i've got a i810 machine that would play bz with xfree, but after moving to xorg, i get crashes |
19:46.03 | bryjen | it does draw ok, albiet slowly, right up to the crash ;) |
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21:32.46 | Grumbler | g'day JBdiGriz |
21:33.14 | Birdie | grrrrrrrrrrrrumbler! |
21:33.26 | Grumbler | hey birdie |
21:33.31 | Birdie | how is you? |
21:33.50 | Grumbler | not bad, a bit busy, but, i have new toys |
21:34.03 | Birdie | toys like? |
21:34.09 | Birdie | new kinds of beer you discovered?:) |
21:34.18 | Grumbler | nah |
21:34.39 | CBG | heh |
21:34.40 | Grumbler | i usually forget the beer i drink, so every bottle is a new experience |
21:35.05 | Grumbler | a couple new processing units.....mac based |
21:35.20 | CBG | yay for mac |
21:35.21 | Birdie | oh your a mac boy? |
21:35.39 | CBG | boy? :P |
21:35.42 | Grumbler | heh, i am person of all OSs now |
21:35.54 | Birdie | even windows:) |
21:36.07 | Grumbler | yeah, although that one is turned off right now |
21:36.17 | Birdie | hehe i wonder why:D |
21:36.29 | Grumbler | it was loud :) |
21:36.57 | Grumbler | the iMac and the powerbook are much, much quieter |
21:37.15 | Birdie | at least you HEAR windows working so your sure he does work:) |
21:37.15 | CBG | Birdie: You are one of the few windows users that knows there are *OTHER* Operating Systems! *Gasp*! |
21:37.24 | Birdie | heh |
21:37.28 | CBG | Grumbler: of course they are. :) |
21:38.02 | Grumbler | heh, yeah, the windows box is still my gaming system.....but these macs are pretty swanky |
21:38.19 | Grumbler | and openoffice rocks the boat |
21:38.28 | CBG | I don't understand people who have windows for gaming...: |
21:38.31 | Birdie | lol openoffice, worked with that last week |
21:38.39 | CBG | 1. BZFlag works on MANY other Operating Systems |
21:38.53 | Birdie | i had something cool made in office xp (word), nice layout etc, i copied it to openoffice cause my friend uses that and..au |
21:38.58 | CBG | 2. If you *really* need other games, get a PlayStation or GameCube. |
21:39.00 | Grumbler | i have only found one bug so far...but it seems pretty much a free microsoft office |
21:40.20 | Grumbler | i have had that problem with just going between different versions of office, so, i expect it.....office always seems to tick me off. |
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21:40.50 | blast007 | the paperclip is back! *rocks back and forth in his chair, glazed over eyes* |
21:41.13 | CBG | Oh, dont get me started on Microsoft Office. ... |
21:41.52 | schani | anybody able to help me with bzflag on macos (10.4)? it comes up with a black screen, the config file it generates sets a much too high resolution, and if i change it, it changes it back. any idea? |
21:43.20 | blast007 | what does the current "set resolution" line in the config say? |
21:43.42 | schani | set resolution "2304x1728 " |
21:44.01 | schani | it always goes back to this, no matter whether i change it, or whether i delete the file |
21:44.02 | blast007 | ah, let's see, try running this from a terminam: bzflag -window |
21:44.15 | blast007 | not sure if Mac needs to cd to the right directory |
21:44.26 | blast007 | but then when that loads, hit F1 |
21:44.32 | blast007 | see if that fixes it |
21:44.36 | schani | then it comes up in a window, with graphics intact, but keybindings don't work (go to the terminal) |
21:44.47 | blast007 | ick |
21:45.54 | blast007 | but changing that line in the config doesn't help? |
21:46.21 | schani | no, it just overwrites the file again |
21:46.30 | blast007 | strange |
21:46.41 | schani | yeah |
21:48.15 | menotume | schani: did you exit the client before changing the config ? |
21:48.27 | schani | yes |
21:48.35 | menotume | (when the client exits, it rewrites the file) |
21:48.38 | menotume | nokies |
21:48.52 | schani | i only change the config file when the client doesn't run |
21:48.54 | Grumbler | nokies? |
21:49.00 | menotume | mokies |
21:49.52 | schani | what's the oldest version that still plays with current servers? |
21:50.21 | menotume | 2.0.0 i guess |
21:51.58 | JeffM2501 | no guess about it |
21:52.13 | JeffM2501 | by definition it's allways the 0 version of the current even minor |
21:52.30 | JeffM2501 | we bump proto when we make it the release master |
21:56.23 | schani | hmmm, when i start in full screen and switch to window, at least the keybindings work, so i can play, sort of (window's too small though, and the mouse wraps around vertically...) |
21:57.06 | blast007 | if you can get it to a window, you can go to Options > Display Options > Change Video Format |
21:57.13 | blast007 | then set the resolution |
21:59.43 | schani | that worked! thanks! |
21:59.50 | blast007 | cool :) |
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22:33.32 | RPG_ | how would i configure BZFlag to get it to run on one of my two monitors, connected in dual-head mode ? |
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22:41.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (include/md5.h src/common/md5.cxx): md5 code hacked, needs passwd testing |
22:41.47 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, what OS? |
22:41.53 | JeffM2501 | and what card? |
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22:44.28 | RPG_ | nvm just got it working |
22:44.35 | RPG_ | Win XP, GeForce 6600 GT |
22:44.39 | RPG_ | i put it to -view three |
22:45.10 | JeffM2501 | I guess tha'ts one way |
22:45.25 | JeffM2501 | or just run in multi display mode and let windows do the dual head |
22:45.54 | RPG_ | what would that provide though? |
22:46.33 | JeffM2501 | then it woudl tell BZ only about the main display when it asks for all the posible reses |
22:46.38 | JeffM2501 | and know not to span |
22:46.46 | RPG_ | oh |
22:46.56 | JeffM2501 | puting the nvida driver in dual head mode tells the OS it's one big ass monitor |
22:47.02 | JeffM2501 | so that's all the OS knows about |
22:47.08 | RPG_ | and it is :) |
22:47.16 | JeffM2501 | mostly it's for OS that don't dual multi head |
22:47.20 | JeffM2501 | no it's not, it's 2 displays |
22:47.31 | JeffM2501 | windows can handle 7 displays it's self |
22:47.36 | JeffM2501 | you don't need the driver to do it for you |
22:47.40 | RPG_ | ooh |
22:47.43 | JeffM2501 | you can even mix and match cards |
22:48.04 | RPG_ | display properties? |
22:48.19 | JeffM2501 | dualhead works for some custom display sistems, like ones made out of 2 LCDs, and when you want the taskbar to span |
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22:50.51 | JeffM2501 | at home I'm runing 2 displays off my 7800gtx and bz allways only shows me the reses for my main 24inch display |
22:50.56 | JeffM2501 | never for the 19 on the side |
22:51.11 | JeffM2501 | if I want to swap them I can go into the driver and tell it the side one is the main |
22:51.18 | JeffM2501 | but then that woudl be dumb :) |
22:51.50 | purple_cow | bzflag does seem to have gone stupid wrt xinerama/twinview on linux |
22:52.54 | JeffM2501 | I had it working just fine |
22:53.03 | JeffM2501 | had to define a "meta" display for just my main tho |
22:53.09 | JeffM2501 | to get it on one screen |
22:53.14 | purple_cow | yeah, i've got that |
22:53.31 | purple_cow | it just positions the window in the middle of my display and turns off the other monitor |
22:53.34 | purple_cow | so i see half the screen |
22:53.34 | JeffM2501 | then it just showed me both the big double one and the single |
22:53.42 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
22:54.06 | JeffM2501 | I have to redo my driver for leenox now |
22:54.12 | JeffM2501 | card changed 2 times |
22:55.24 | JeffM2501 | under windows I only get 560 fps in bz on the new card :( |
22:55.42 | TimRiker | I removed the RSA md5 code and replaced it with public domain code. seems to work fine. |
22:56.08 | JeffM2501 | so it's no longer "tainted" |
22:56.10 | JeffM2501 | ? |
22:56.51 | TimRiker | testing on HEAD now. |
22:57.52 | Birdie | "only 560 fps", lol i only have 40 |
22:58.50 | TimRiker | like you can see more than 70 anyway. |
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22:59.37 | RPG_ | in Windows dual-head mode, when bzflag is running on one screen, whenever I click on ap rogram in the other screen, BZFlag minimizes |
22:59.51 | TimRiker | hehe |
23:00.18 | TimRiker | you mean that's not what you wanted? ;-) |
23:00.24 | RPG_ | nope :-/ |
23:00.51 | RPG_ | my setup looks a tad strange right now with a CRt and an LCD :) |
23:01.02 | RPG_ | just testing to see how it works to see if i should buy another LCD and go true dual-head |
23:01.34 | RPG_ | http://garrettp.homeip.net/2screens.jpg |
23:02.42 | purple_cow | dual-head with two of the same model screen is beautiful |
23:02.48 | JeffM2501 | it is |
23:02.54 | RPG_ | i bet |
23:03.13 | JeffM2501 | tho that'd be dam spensive for me :) |
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23:03.38 | jcape | Yo, any viper.pimpi.org admins around? |
23:03.46 | Birdie | what do you want? |
23:03.59 | jcape | There's a cheater, Jimmy the Cricket |
23:04.02 | Birdie | k |
23:04.25 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
23:04.25 | TimRiker | g++: @CONF_CPPFLAGS: No such file or directory |
23:04.36 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, I'm using the 24 and a 19, it's working out quite well |
23:05.32 | JeffM2501 | and it lets me run games in silly aspect ratios :) |
23:05.33 | JeffM2501 | http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/bzfi0009.png |
23:08.42 | jcape | TimRiker: It's missing the trailing '@' |
23:09.19 | TimRiker | jcape: yeah, but I don't see why. |
23:09.50 | jcape | TimRiker: Is this CVS? |
23:09.59 | TimRiker | yes. cvs head. |
23:10.26 | jcape | k |
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23:11.08 | TimRiker | jcape: rebuilding the world now... |
23:15.25 | TimRiker | jcape: rebuild fixed it. |
23:15.40 | jcape | Yeah, co just finished :-) |
23:30.39 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ~bzcvs |
23:30.40 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
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23:49.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (include/md5.h src/common/md5.cxx): untaint md5, needs passwd testing |