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| 00:24.21 | Remginton0 | How long does it take to recieve the varification email from bzbb? |
| 00:25.00 | Remginton0 | er.....hello? |
| 00:25.01 | JeffM2501 | depends on your ISP |
| 00:25.09 | JeffM2501 | usualy it's withing 30 seconds |
| 00:25.16 | JeffM2501 | yahoo and others can take longer |
| 00:25.17 | Remginton0 | what if i have a fast connection |
| 00:25.23 | Remginton0 | I use netscape |
| 00:25.25 | JeffM2501 | it's not your conection, it's your ISP |
| 00:25.30 | JeffM2501 | and there mail server |
| 00:25.34 | JeffM2501 | and how often they distribute |
| 00:25.38 | JeffM2501 | how long has it been? |
| 00:25.44 | Remginton0 | 5 minutes |
| 00:25.53 | JeffM2501 | do you have spam software? |
| 00:25.57 | Remginton0 | no |
| 00:26.06 | JeffM2501 | does your ISP have spam software |
| 00:26.10 | Remginton0 | no idea |
| 00:26.13 | Remginton0 | hold on |
| 00:26.20 | JeffM2501 | what username did you register? |
| 00:26.26 | Remginton0 | Remington0 |
| 00:26.45 | Remginton0 | I can control spam myself, it says |
| 00:26.47 | JeffM2501 | I manualy activated it |
| 00:26.58 | JeffM2501 | often the bzbb e-mail gets grabed as spam |
| 00:26.59 | Remginton0 | activated what? |
| 00:27.02 | JeffM2501 | your account |
| 00:27.13 | Remginton0 | what about it sir? |
| 00:27.21 | orchid | :) hes activated it |
| 00:27.23 | JeffM2501 | I manualy activated it |
| 00:27.33 | orchid | you don't need to wait for the email now |
| 00:27.33 | Remginton0 | activated what? |
| 00:27.36 | JeffM2501 | orchid, it's BEAUTIFULL |
| 00:27.38 | JeffM2501 | your acount |
| 00:27.43 | Remginton0 | oh thnx :) |
| 00:27.44 | JeffM2501 | on bzbb |
| 00:27.47 | JeffM2501 | good lord |
| 00:27.51 | JeffM2501 | who's on first |
| 00:27.51 | orchid | JeffM2501: oh you got one already? |
| 00:27.54 | JeffM2501 | I did |
| 00:27.58 | JeffM2501 | yesterday |
| 00:28.04 | orchid | big eh?! |
| 00:28.23 | JeffM2501 | http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/bzfi0009.png |
| 00:28.47 | orchid | hehe |
| 00:28.51 | orchid | windws? |
| 00:28.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:29.01 | JeffM2501 | need a better video card tho |
| 00:29.09 | JeffM2501 | it chunks on some things at 1920 |
| 00:29.16 | orchid | hmm I should try that with xorg |
| 00:29.19 | Remginton0 | should I ask about something on Sonicwall here or in the General Chat? |
| 00:29.38 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 00:29.45 | JeffM2501 | the firewall people? |
| 00:29.53 | Remginton0 | Sonicwall (yes firewall people) |
| 00:29.57 | JeffM2501 | what about them |
| 00:30.25 | orchid | JeffM2501: will you hook your mac mini to the second port? |
| 00:30.27 | Remginton0 | My school just got it and its screwing everything up, I found a way around it, but I'm sure that the school com. admins. will find it |
| 00:30.33 | JeffM2501 | orchid, allready done |
| 00:30.37 | orchid | :) |
| 00:30.46 | JeffM2501 | Remginton0, there isn't realy a way "around" it |
| 00:30.55 | JeffM2501 | if they are blocking it then your not suposed to play games at school |
| 00:31.07 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to ask them to set it up so you can play |
| 00:31.14 | Remginton0 | My way only works if the website has a "secure" connection |
| 00:31.23 | JeffM2501 | bzflag does not use HTTP |
| 00:31.29 | Remginton0 | I know |
| 00:31.31 | JeffM2501 | so they don't have "secure" connections |
| 00:31.34 | orchid | http://tenser.typepad.com/tenser_said_the_tensor/2004/08/1920_x_1200_wal.html |
| 00:31.48 | orchid | you will need bigger wallpaper now :) |
| 00:31.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah hit that last night orchid have a nice space one |
| 00:31.59 | JeffM2501 | from deviantart |
| 00:32.18 | JeffM2501 | Remginton0, if your firewall is blocking the bzflag ports, then there isn't realy any way around that |
| 00:32.22 | Remginton0 | My friend and I have been bypassing sonicwall for like a month, either the com. admins. are just plain stupid, or they know and they don't care |
| 00:32.25 | JeffM2501 | bzflag needs both TCP and UDP on that part |
| 00:32.49 | JeffM2501 | and it's not our place to help you break rules at your scholl |
| 00:33.00 | Remginton0 | I already did. |
| 00:33.06 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 00:33.19 | JeffM2501 | I mean we don't care, nor will help you |
| 00:33.24 | JeffM2501 | so please don't post about it |
| 00:33.33 | Remginton0 | the sever at my school works by block websites usingnvm |
| 00:33.41 | Remginton0 | thnx though |
| 00:34.06 | JeffM2501 | kids these days |
| 00:34.10 | orchid | hehe |
| 00:34.28 | JeffM2501 | I'm bummed it won't do PIP between the 2 computer inputs |
| 00:34.35 | JeffM2501 | just between the TV and computer |
| 00:34.39 | orchid | yeah that would be really cool |
| 00:34.41 | JeffM2501 | and it looks like crap as a TV |
| 00:34.49 | orchid | but you can watch movies with pip |
| 00:35.03 | JeffM2501 | they look jaggy to me, I'd reather watch the DVD in software |
| 00:35.12 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, the 24's man, the way to go |
| 00:35.29 | purple_cow | naw, i'm looking for two 1600x1200 LCDs |
| 00:35.29 | JeffM2501 | one of them is where variables go |
| 00:35.35 | purple_cow | not enough pixels on the 24 |
| 00:35.39 | JeffM2501 | get 2 :) |
| 00:35.57 | JeffM2501 | actualy IIRC vewsonic made a single 3200x2400 display |
| 00:36.08 | purple_cow | there's no way i can afford 2 |
| 00:36.15 | JeffM2501 | sell blood |
| 00:36.15 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: yeah, that thing is gorgeous |
| 00:36.37 | JeffM2501 | the 24 does look in scale next to my new case tho |
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| 00:42.02 | wizatcomp | in bzfs, where does it look for a plugin when I use /loadplugin? |
| 00:42.32 | I_Died_Once | where ever the plugin is, you have to specify where the plugin is and what plugin to use |
| 00:42.34 | JeffM2501 | where ever you tell it to |
| 00:42.48 | wizatcomp | ok |
| 00:42.49 | JeffM2501 | the default is the current working dir ( usualy the bzfs dir ) |
| 00:43.04 | JeffM2501 | tho IIRC it will search a couple preset paths too |
| 00:43.05 | wizatcomp | hmm... it didn't seem to look there, but i'll try with a full path |
| 00:43.05 | wizatcomp | thanks |
| 00:43.06 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 00:43.11 | wizatcomp | gentoo |
| 00:43.16 | JeffM2501 | so linux |
| 00:43.18 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 00:44.03 | JeffM2501 | first it will try the full path you pass in |
| 00:44.16 | JeffM2501 | then it will try the full path + .dll or .so ( depending on OS ) |
| 00:44.32 | JeffM2501 | then it will check the config dir |
| 00:44.48 | JeffM2501 | then $(prefix)/lib/bzflag/ |
| 00:44.58 | JeffM2501 | if it fails all those it will die |
| 00:45.19 | wizatcomp | $(prefix) would be? |
| 00:45.29 | JeffM2501 | I'm guessing the root |
| 00:45.32 | JeffM2501 | of your drive |
| 00:45.32 | wizatcomp | ok |
| 00:45.43 | JeffM2501 | or maybe home dir |
| 00:45.46 | JeffM2501 | I don't reemmber |
| 00:45.52 | JeffM2501 | I thnk it's the root tho |
| 00:46.01 | wizatcomp | alright, i'll try a few places |
| 00:46.03 | wizatcomp | thanks |
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| 00:46.54 | raytray25 | hi |
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| 00:51.00 | wizatcomp | well, it works when i give it an absolute path, but it doesn't seem to look in the dir that it's running in/from |
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| 00:53.15 | trepan | JeffM2501: "$(prefix)/lib/bzflag/" prolly won't get evaluated the way you're hoping |
| 01:00.33 | wizatcomp | the only time $(prefix) is mentioned is in that one line of code |
| 01:01.19 | brlcad | prefix is meant to be the prefix that you provide to configure |
| 01:01.35 | brlcad | i.e. ./configure --prefix=/path/to/something |
| 01:01.39 | wizatcomp | ah |
| 01:01.40 | wizatcomp | ok |
| 01:01.41 | brlcad | and /path/to/something becomes your prefix |
| 01:01.45 | brlcad | instead of the default |
| 01:01.49 | brlcad | which is usually /usr/local |
| 01:01.57 | brlcad | though it can be overridden |
| 01:23.17 | JeffM2501 | trepan, I didn't write it |
| 01:23.23 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the cow did |
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| 02:29.48 | spldart | Is [all recursive] error1 in chathistory.lo and plugins normal, @ this time, for the 2.1.6 proto 0036 |
| 02:30.02 | SportChick | orchid: pingaling |
| 02:30.36 | bryjen | "all recursive" not the error, look a few lines higher |
| 02:31.03 | bryjen | s/not/is not/ |
| 02:33.08 | SeaSharp | woo |
| 02:33.32 | SeaSharp | another day in paradise |
| 02:33.37 | SeaSharp | snowing like mad |
| 02:34.59 | SeaSharp | THE HEAVIEST ACCUMULATIONS ARE EXPECTED |
| 02:35.01 | SeaSharp | ACROSS NORTH CENTRAL NEBRASKA AND THE CENTRAL SANDHILLS WHERE 8 TO |
| 02:35.01 | SeaSharp | 16 INCHES ARE LIKELY. |
| 02:35.02 | SeaSharp | ack |
| 02:36.43 | devster | i wish i had snow |
| 02:36.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/plugins/ (chathistory/chathistory.cpp logDetail/logDetail.cpp): update to new api chat event types |
| 02:43.59 | spldart | OH ic... some undececlared event stuff thingamadiddilies |
| 02:44.03 | spldart | hehe |
| 02:44.42 | learner | heh, louman's new space test server is pretty amazing/creative |
| 02:44.52 | learner | different |
| 02:47.05 | spldart | Ah. finally got cvs punched through :)..... |
| 02:47.12 | spldart | Louman? |
| 02:54.41 | spldart | SWEET |
| 02:57.33 | learner | his other tree map is pretty nifty too |
| 02:57.56 | spldart | oH??? |
| 02:58.27 | purple_cow | wow |
| 02:58.30 | purple_cow | that's cool and difficult |
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| 03:04.49 | spldart | Makes me wish I could have pursued map making more... Hopefully now that I've gotten some craziness out of my life I can get back into it... Would like ot have finished my air-hockey table map :( |
| 03:18.39 | SportChick | orchid: come to bzg, please |
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| 03:43.57 | bryjen | locate elvis |
| 03:44.03 | bryjen | ~ww |
| 03:44.06 | ibot | Wrong Window. |
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| 03:45.03 | Digital_Pioneer | I am the harbinger of the bot! |
| 03:45.04 | Digital_Pioneer | ;-) |
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| 03:45.38 | Digital_Pioneer | just checking. |
| 03:45.42 | fajita | Well, stop it. It makes me paranoid. |
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| 03:47.02 | spldart | bzzt |
| 03:47.36 | I_Died_Once | http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/5073/413acbfa000277vb9vt.jpg |
| 03:50.01 | spldart | lol |
| 03:57.34 | SeaSharp | evening |
| 03:58.27 | menotume | bryjen: he has left the building |
| 04:09.36 | bryjen | but he's not dead. he just went home. |
| 04:10.16 | menotume | :) |
| 04:10.33 | menotume | Men in Black ? |
| 04:10.43 | bryjen | yeah |
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| 04:17.42 | Digital_Pioneer | Hello? |
| 04:17.45 | fajita | is there anybody out there |
| 04:18.02 | Digital_Pioneer | just checking... |
| 04:18.06 | fajita | Well, stop it. It makes me paranoid. |
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| 12:29.09 | I_Died_Once | That should be a part of the rules: If you ask for help, and find your answer elsewhere, you must post your resolution regardless. |
| 12:31.06 | LePoulpe303 | anyone needs points in 1vs1 tourny and want to play against me ? |
| 12:31.23 | I_Died_Once | I'm not in a tourny but I'll throw down |
| 12:31.32 | LePoulpe303 | 5155 ? |
| 12:31.37 | I_Died_Once | what server? |
| 12:31.42 | LePoulpe303 | 1vs1 |
| 12:32.03 | I_Died_Once | I'm not familair with the 1 vs 1 world, youhave to spell it out |
| 12:32.10 | I_Died_Once | I'm from Planet MoFo |
| 12:32.12 | I_Died_Once | dammit |
| 12:32.14 | LePoulpe303 | 1vs1.pimpi.org |
| 12:32.19 | I_Died_Once | ok gimme a quick sec |
| 12:33.14 | LePoulpe303 | k |
| 12:39.01 | I_Died_Once | yay LePoulpe won, but ti was close |
| 12:39.14 | LePoulpe303 | yeah great match ;) |
| 12:39.28 | I_Died_Once | I'll challenge for a rematch later when i wake up, that was my first game of the morning |
| 12:39.32 | LePoulpe303 | are u in a ducati or gu team ? |
| 12:39.36 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 12:39.37 | I_Died_Once | no |
| 12:39.43 | LePoulpe303 | it's lunch break here |
| 12:40.25 | I_Died_Once | Nah, I come from one of the lowly "multi-shot servers with FLAGS!!!" so I'm not supposed to play worth a damn |
| 12:41.00 | LePoulpe303 | hmm different tactic |
| 12:41.15 | LePoulpe303 | luck has more place with (super)flags |
| 12:41.16 | I_Died_Once | great game though, I do wanna try that again |
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| 15:54.55 | |zongo| | hey all, im trying to compile latest cvs version under macosx 10.4.4 |
| 15:55.02 | |zongo| | i get the following error |
| 15:55.04 | |zongo| | cd .. && /bin/sh ./config.status plugins/Makefile |
| 15:55.04 | |zongo| | config.status: error: invalid argument: plugins/Makefile |
| 15:55.04 | |zongo| | make[1]: *** [Makefile] Error 1 |
| 15:55.04 | |zongo| | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 15:55.18 | |zongo| | can someone help me? |
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| 16:22.00 | |zongo| | :( |
| 16:23.05 | ToughShooter | |zongo|: From what I've seen until now everyone gets that in CVS HEAD |
| 16:23.27 | |zongo| | ToughShooter, thx :) |
| 16:24.23 | ToughShooter | The error means the plugins won't get built |
| 16:25.00 | |zongo| | i figured that out, but thought it was some problem with me |
| 16:25.33 | |zongo| | thx for the info ToughShooter, at least im not the only one :) |
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| 17:45.21 | menotume | trepan: pingy |
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| 17:47.49 | menotume | ciao Tupone |
| 17:48.00 | Tupone | ciao menotume |
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| 17:53.00 | menotume | ~seen trepan |
| 17:53.06 | ibot | trepan is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 34 messages. Is idling for 16h 59m 51s, last said: 'JeffM2501: "$(prefix)/lib/bzflag/" prolly won't get evaluated the way you're hoping'. |
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| 19:31.27 | TD-Linux | where can I go for hardware help? |
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| 19:51.17 | CBG | TD-Linux: perhaps #hardware? |
| 19:51.31 | TD-Linux | already there :) |
| 19:51.39 | CBG | it exists? :P |
| 19:51.59 | menotume | ~lart CBG |
| 19:52.11 | CBG | thanks menotume |
| 19:52.15 | menotume | np :) |
| 19:52.45 | CBG | menotume: still cant access bzleague |
| 19:52.53 | menotume | egads |
| 19:53.04 | CBG | I turned router off for like, 10 hours or something, and still have the same IP |
| 19:53.17 | CBG | and it is not *my* router, so I can't do anymore there. |
| 19:53.22 | menotume | i dunno if changing IP will do anything for you anyway |
| 19:53.26 | CBG | and I have NO idea what else it will be. |
| 19:53.31 | CBG | I tried clearing cache, etc. |
| 19:53.35 | CBG | tried all my browsers. |
| 19:53.42 | menotume | how about lynx ? |
| 19:53.46 | blast007 | have you tried a proxy? |
| 19:53.46 | menotume | just for grins |
| 19:53.54 | CBG | menotume: lynx? |
| 19:54.02 | CBG | blast007: a proxy site thing works |
| 19:54.06 | blast007 | hmm |
| 19:54.18 | menotume | winblows ? |
| 19:54.19 | CBG | so that is why I thought could be my IP |
| 19:54.30 | CBG | perhaps mine is blocked for some unknown reason..? |
| 19:54.35 | CBG | menotume: OS X |
| 19:54.45 | menotume | lynx 1vs1.bzleague.com |
| 19:55.14 | CBG | in terminal? |
| 19:55.19 | menotume | yes :) |
| 19:55.42 | menotume | it's a 'text-browser' |
| 19:56.07 | CBG | okies |
| 19:56.22 | CBG | w00t. -bash: lynx: command not found |
| 19:56.27 | orange | try links |
| 19:56.42 | menotume | orange lurker |
| 19:56.48 | CBG | ... -bash: links: command not found |
| 19:56.54 | menotume | hehe |
| 19:56.56 | menotume | locate lynx |
| 19:57.13 | orange | telnet 1vs1.bzleague.com 80 |
| 19:57.17 | orange | wait for connection |
| 19:57.22 | orange | GET / HTTP/1.0 |
| 19:57.25 | CBG | menotume: locate: no database file /var/db/locate.database. |
| 19:57.27 | orange | Host: 1vs1.bzleague.com |
| 19:57.31 | menotume | heh |
| 19:57.32 | orange | then hit enter again |
| 19:58.01 | orange | (so a blank line after Host: line) |
| 19:58.02 | CBG | orange: doesnt seem to do anything |
| 19:58.09 | CBG | oh, ok |
| 19:58.18 | CBG | still nothing |
| 19:58.23 | orange | did it connect? |
| 19:58.27 | CBG | yeah |
| 19:58.33 | menotume | ah ha |
| 19:58.36 | CBG | then I did GET.... and enter. |
| 19:58.43 | CBG | then Host:... and enter twice |
| 19:58.57 | orange | it should return a page and then drop the connection |
| 19:58.58 | orange | mine did |
| 19:59.03 | CBG | hmm |
| 19:59.10 | orange | if yours didn't, then we have eliminated browser issues |
| 19:59.12 | CBG | well, I *am* having problems... so... |
| 19:59.16 | menotume | mine doesn't |
| 19:59.27 | CBG | orange: well, I already tried 4 browsers. none worked |
| 19:59.39 | menotume | oh ya, mine does |
| 19:59.46 | CBG | finally: "Connection closed by foreign host." |
| 19:59.49 | menotume | but you connected to port 80 |
| 19:59.57 | CBG | nothing between Host:... and Connection Closed. |
| 20:00.13 | CBG | So, what else could it be? I can only think of IP. |
| 20:00.19 | menotume | try: wget bzleague.com |
| 20:00.33 | CBG | k |
| 20:00.40 | menotume | or ... wget 67.43.4.208 |
| 20:00.43 | CBG | -bash: wget: command not found |
| 20:00.54 | menotume | try:: locate " a real o/s" |
| 20:00.54 | CBG | heh... seems I have NOTHING installed. ;) |
| 20:00.59 | CBG | :/ |
| 20:01.15 | CBG | harhar :P |
| 20:01.21 | meacan | menotume: locate: command not found ? :) |
| 20:01.33 | menotume | locate locate |
| 20:01.34 | blast007 | dang, my 80MB linux install even had wget :) |
| 20:01.41 | blast007 | and links |
| 20:01.46 | CBG | blast007: pff. shush :P |
| 20:02.00 | blast007 | hehe |
| 20:02.02 | CBG | any other ideas? |
| 20:02.13 | orange | cbg, my point is, if you can't reach it with telnet, then there is no point in even trying web browsers |
| 20:02.13 | Tupone | find / -name lynx |
| 20:02.22 | CBG | orange: yeah, ok. |
| 20:02.28 | menotume | ya, but it connects |
| 20:02.38 | orange | probably some goofy proxy between |
| 20:02.40 | menotume | so, he's not sending the GET ? |
| 20:02.47 | orange | can you confirm the IP connects, menotume? |
| 20:02.51 | orange | his IP, I mean |
| 20:02.58 | orange | and what is in the log for it when he does that? |
| 20:02.59 | menotume | hmmm |
| 20:03.05 | orange | if not, it's proxy-hell |
| 20:03.07 | menotume | dunno |
| 20:03.53 | CBG | find: /.Trashes: Permission denied |
| 20:03.56 | CBG | shall I sudo? |
| 20:04.25 | Tupone | CBG: curl http://1vs1.bzleague.com/ |
| 20:04.26 | menotume | eeek - being called to a match |
| 20:04.32 | blast007 | CBG: can you get to ftp://1vs1.bzleague.com/ ? |
| 20:04.37 | CBG | ok, no worries menotume |
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| 20:05.06 | CBG | blast007: in browser? |
| 20:05.12 | blast007 | or an ftp client |
| 20:05.17 | blast007 | but either should work |
| 20:05.28 | menotume | ftp.bzleague.com |
| 20:05.34 | CBG | ok |
| 20:05.51 | Tupone | curl ftp://1vs1.bzleague.com |
| 20:06.00 | CBG | ftp works |
| 20:06.31 | CBG | when I curled http://1vs1... I got: curl: (52) Empty reply from server |
| 20:06.33 | orange | proxy hell |
| 20:06.46 | orange | tell your stupid ISP to turn off their stupid proxy |
| 20:06.55 | CBG | when I curl ftp://1vs1.... I get some files... |
| 20:07.01 | orange | well, ask nicely if perhaps they might be proxying your requests :-) |
| 20:07.02 | CBG | orange: heh |
| 20:07.31 | Tupone | or ask meno to answer to 81 too (?) |
| 20:07.38 | CBG | I have always been behind a cahcing proxy as I had to edit my config to allow me to use global login. |
| 20:07.57 | CBG | But, the bzleague site worked fine for many months, then one day stopped. |
| 20:08.06 | orange | the proxy's cache is probably corrupt |
| 20:08.07 | CBG | and has not worked for me since. |
| 20:08.23 | menotume | i don't see your IP in the access log |
| 20:08.24 | CBG | bah |
| 20:08.45 | menotume | Tupone: i can't :( |
| 20:08.49 | Tupone | :( |
| 20:08.56 | CBG | So, I can only contact my ISP? Nothing else? |
| 20:09.06 | blast007 | pretty much |
| 20:09.11 | blast007 | seems to be on their end |
| 20:09.11 | CBG | bummer |
| 20:09.12 | orange | yeah, tell them you can't get to a website, and it is their fault for having a busted proxy |
| 20:09.13 | meacan | or change isp :) |
| 20:10.48 | CBG | "You &^$*$*£ morons have %£^&*$ something up! I can't get to half the @^&$($ sites I want to and it is all your @^$*£( fault. You &@*$*@ £*$*£s..." |
| 20:10.48 | CBG | Will that do? |
| 20:10.54 | blast007 | haha, they'll likely ignore that ;) |
| 20:11.02 | CBG | Heh.. |
| 20:11.32 | blast007 | just let them know that for a while this site has worked, and explain that using a proxy works as well |
| 20:11.37 | meacan | yet another proof that their proxy dosnt forward the request, i guess :) |
| 20:11.55 | blast007 | also mention that you are considering switching ISPs if the issue is not resolved in a timely manner |
| 20:12.49 | CBG | heh.. |
| 20:16.32 | ToughShooter | ISPs don't often react to requests from their own users. A lot of ISPs are pretty ignorant. |
| 20:18.03 | CBG | Well, I can ask. |
| 20:20.19 | ToughShooter | I remember when I asked my ISP whether they can fix the peering point to EWE they didn't even respond. Later I found out it was EWE's fault but they could at least have responded as I pay extra money for lower ping times..so I'm still totally laggy at GU since mid December :x |
| 20:20.24 | CBG | oh man, why can't NTL just have a 'support@ntl.com' email address? |
| 20:20.42 | menotume | meacan - can you match ? |
| 20:20.52 | menotume | 3v3 @ DUB:59998 |
| 20:21.00 | CBG | They say I have to phone or go through a stupid, irrelavant tutorial... >:( |
| 20:21.02 | meacan | menotume: in about 5megabytes (downloading) |
| 20:21.24 | meacan | menotume: in 2-5 mins :) |
| 20:21.54 | ToughShooter | CBG: Be happy you won't have to call a German hotline.. |
| 20:22.06 | CBG | ToughShooter: heh, ok. |
| 20:22.24 | menotume | meacan: kewl |
| 20:23.12 | CBG | Hmm, They have a feedback type form, with many levels... |
| 20:23.24 | CBG | They ask if I use a NTL service --> yes. |
| 20:23.31 | CBG | Then later, what is my account number? Bah! |
| 20:23.44 | CBG | I am not the account holder. Can I only contact them through my father? Pff! |
| 20:24.07 | CBG | Hah! They accept 12345 as an account number. W00t! |
| 20:24.27 | trepan | menotume: pong |
| 20:24.47 | CBG | blast007: bah |
| 20:24.54 | CBG | no other way for *ME* to contact them. |
| 20:24.57 | blast007 | CBG: if you provide a fake account number, they might just filter it out |
| 20:25.02 | CBG | might. |
| 20:25.06 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:25.15 | CBG | but, if you put none, they dont accept the form. |
| 20:25.20 | ToughShooter | I'm sure they will, that's why they ask for the number ;) |
| 20:25.37 | CBG | I would think that they would not accept a fake one at all - rather than accept it then filter it out. |
| 20:25.52 | blast007 | nice, their only validation is through javascript |
| 20:25.59 | blast007 | so you turn that off, and you can submit the form |
| 20:29.18 | CBG | heh |
| 20:46.43 | Chestal | ToughShooter: because it is based on MsgPlayerUpdate packets |
| 20:47.52 | ToughShooter | Chestal: Umm, that means because of bad code and not intentionally, correct? |
| 20:48.08 | Chestal | well, not really |
| 20:48.43 | Chestal | what would you propose? |
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| 20:49.47 | ToughShooter | hmpf, where is ibot when I need him/her/it to translate |
| 20:50.17 | Chestal | retranslate my German thoughts back to German? :-) |
| 20:50.35 | ToughShooter | Yes, but wait, there's jbot :) |
| 20:51.06 | ToughShooter | Ah, I think it should compute lag, jitter and loss the same way for obs and actual players |
| 20:51.33 | Aribeth | :) |
| 20:51.46 | JeffM2501 | observers don't send updates |
| 20:51.57 | JeffM2501 | and there lag dosn't affect the game |
| 20:51.59 | Chestal | ToughShooter: but Observers do not send any packets except for chat messages and replies to lag ping messages (which are used for the displayed latency in lagstats) |
| 20:52.45 | Chestal | theoretically, these ping messages could be used to calc loss+jitter, too, but they are so infrequently sent that it would not be very useful |
| 20:53.10 | JeffM2501 | how would observer jitter be a usefull stat at all? |
| 20:53.25 | Chestal | one other option would be to calc these values on the receiving end in the client then, but that would require modified or additional timestamps and after all not be very useful as JeffM said |
| 20:53.40 | ToughShooter | Well, it could help for understanding whether it's me or the players on field that behave strange |
| 20:53.55 | Chestal | we had a version which would not even display latency value for observers, but it was changed so that Obs get a lag estimate |
| 20:54.18 | Thumper_ | trepan: ping |
| 20:54.24 | Chestal | the client could display a per-player jitter value from its point of view |
| 20:54.30 | ToughShooter | Hmm, there was a version that showed loss for bzadmin clients, IIRC |
| 20:55.13 | blast007 | it was actually a bug in bzadmin iirc |
| 20:55.24 | blast007 | it showed 100% loss |
| 20:55.48 | Chestal | I'm not sure, maybe bzfs can display loss for observer vlients, would have to look at code. Lost lag pign reply packets maybe |
| 20:56.00 | Chestal | but there's only one such packet every 10s |
| 20:57.00 | ToughShooter | The point would be that then I would not have to join at GU and steal a player slot when checking whether my lag is acceptable to play |
| 20:57.27 | blast007 | but you wouldn't know anyway |
| 20:57.41 | blast007 | a lot more traffic is send when you are a real player |
| 20:58.23 | Chestal | actually, the jitter value in /lagstats only covers jitter on the client's upstream |
| 20:58.44 | Chestal | if your jitter is assymetrical, you might not even see it in stats |
| 20:59.04 | ToughShooter | Yes, but loss like I have sometimes on GU is sometimes around 12% nowadays |
| 20:59.10 | Chestal | the upstream jitter is the one which is more important to the other players, though |
| 20:59.43 | Chestal | that's extremely high, sounds like severe network congestion |
| 21:00.01 | ToughShooter | It is a broken peering point |
| 21:00.54 | Chestal | the lag stats could be improved, no question. But there will always be a difference for players and obs |
| 21:01.05 | Chestal | there is less data available for obs |
| 21:01.25 | Chestal | unless you make them send useless messages, that is :-) |
| 21:01.54 | ToughShooter | If it works okay I have 28 +-1ms with 0% loss, otherwise 160-340 +- 1ms and 4-12% loss..interestingly the lag is only shown as 31ms when being obs and the point has malfunction |
| 21:04.10 | ToughShooter | Yes, it's an efficiency question, I just asked because the same data could be available for both actual players and obs, as it's a matter of implementation |
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| 21:17.37 | Thumper_ | brlcad: ping |
| 21:19.08 | awelux__ | you can always add an option to send lagstats packets as obs |
| 21:19.29 | awelux__ | wwould that put additional stress on the servers? |
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| 21:51.40 | menotume | trepan: re-ping :) |
| 21:54.30 | menotume | err, 4-byte probably |
| 21:55.46 | Chestal | hmm, dub has issues tonight |
| 21:57.58 | menotume | yes |
| 21:58.06 | menotume | it was not nice to USA players |
| 21:59.18 | menotume | ~dub |
| 22:03.27 | Tupone | menotume: I'd follow the RTP practice |
| 22:03.42 | menotume | ? |
| 22:03.44 | menotume | ~RTP |
| 22:03.46 | ibot | [rtp] The Internet-standard protocol for the transport of real-time data, including audio and video. RTP is used in virtually all voice-over-IP architectures, for videoconferencing, media-on-demand, and other applications. A thin protocol, it supports content identification, timing reconstruction, and detection of lost packets. |
| 22:04.01 | Tupone | yep |
| 22:04.32 | menotume | lol, a fancy name for: ID, time, SEQNUM ? |
| 22:06.22 | menotume | ID and SEQNUM have been around for decades, i would just add some kind of timestamp - keep it short, full time is not required |
| 22:07.03 | menotume | could go the other way too (server->client). client could periodically report results |
| 22:07.04 | Tupone | I don't care the name. See what travel. |
| 22:07.10 | menotume | :) |
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| 22:09.26 | menotume | dont' ask mw how to sync :) maybe sync packet once a second |
| 22:10.02 | Tupone | there is an algo to compute the jitter, and one to sync |
| 22:11.17 | menotume | gotya |
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| 22:29.51 | BzFire | . |
| 22:39.41 | Tupone | any reasone why instead of a simple strncpy there is an if len > max then strncpy else strcpy ? a windows bug ? |
| 22:41.31 | trepan | it helps to have context, file/line |
| 22:42.07 | Tupone | hehe :) src/game/PlayerInfo |
| 22:43.02 | Tupone | lot of place with that structure there |
| 22:46.03 | trepan | Tupone: that does seem odd, esp. with the memset()'s |
| 22:46.46 | Tupone | perhaps strncpy is not in the windows api, and we have a macro? I don't know :/ |
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| 22:47.15 | DTRemenak | not a windows thing. we a strncpy set up in win32.h or config.h. |
| 22:47.40 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.05 | exp[x] | I have a problem with my client: my tank's shots pass right through other tanks but other tanks can shoot me |
| 22:48.12 | Tupone | hmm, strncpy does this already |
| 22:48.17 | exp[x] | they hit walls, though |
| 22:48.21 | blast007 | exp[x]: what version of the game, and what operating system? |
| 22:48.25 | DTRemenak | strncpy is always null terminated |
| 22:48.36 | exp[x] | 2.04 Ubuntu amd64 |
| 22:48.49 | trepan | strncpy isn't always null terminated |
| 22:48.54 | blast007 | exp[x]: try building from the source code |
| 22:48.56 | exp[x] | err, 2.0.4 |
| 22:48.59 | exp[x] | I did |
| 22:49.02 | blast007 | hmm |
| 22:49.03 | trepan | but it would be in this case, with the memset, and the length limiting |
| 22:49.15 | DTRemenak | e.g. with string "abc", n = 3, strcpy would do "abc", strncpy would do "ab\0", right? |
| 22:49.24 | trepan | DTRemenak: nope |
| 22:49.33 | DTRemenak | k, I'm not looking at the code :S |
| 22:49.49 | trepan | that's not a matter of the code, it's the def. for strncpy |
| 22:50.00 | exp[x] | the only change I made to the source code was flipping the y axis for joysticks |
| 22:52.40 | trepan | because strncpy will also pad the remainder with nulls, strncpy(dst,src,buflen-1) followed by buf[buflen-1]==0 should do the same thing |
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| 22:53.37 | trepan | s/buf[/dst[ ;) |
| 23:03.47 | trepan | hehe, s/==/=, good thing i'm not making any changes these days |
| 23:04.20 | Tupone | :) |
| 23:05.12 | BzFire | trepan: did menotume talk to you ? |
| 23:05.48 | trepan | BzFire: yup, the ahod stuff is unavailable |
| 23:06.03 | BzFire | ok |
| 23:10.47 | BzFire | trepan: can i ask why ? did you lose it ? |
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| 23:24.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfsPlayerStateVerify.cxx bzfsPlayerStateVerify.h): Missing new line at end |
| 23:27.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): Unused vars, shadowed var and bad indent :( |
| 23:30.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Unused var, shadowed var, bad indent, and signed/unsigned compare :_( |
| 23:34.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Region.cxx: Comparing signed/unsigned |
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| 23:35.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/RobotPlayer.cxx: Unused var |
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