| 00:19.12 | JeffM2501 | hasn't it been like released for you know, months? |
| 00:20.04 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 00:20.11 | TD-Linux | but beta 2 worked fine, so I didn't want to break it |
| 00:20.26 | JeffM2501 | why would the release version be worse then beta? |
| 00:20.30 | TD-Linux | considering the way Microsoft products work... that isn't a good strategy |
| 00:21.23 | TD-Linux | well... I don't know |
| 00:22.55 | TD-Linux | I've learned something now :) |
| 00:23.02 | TD-Linux | I always thought that after I found out that my TI-84+ beta software was better than the final version |
| 00:41.13 | TD-Linux | wow, the final is a lot nicer :) |
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| 01:01.30 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (7 files in 2 dirs): hooks for flag list to be sent to server side players |
| 01:08.22 | TD-Linux | ahh... perfect compile with the new VC8 I downloaded now :) |
| 01:08.28 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 01:08.33 | TD-Linux | I hate this intellisense thing though |
| 01:08.33 | JeffM2501 | did it get the new files? |
| 01:08.36 | JeffM2501 | and did they work? |
| 01:08.41 | JeffM2501 | you need to get Visual Assist |
| 01:08.47 | JeffM2501 | it roxorz the boxorz |
| 01:09.20 | TD-Linux | does it work with vc8? |
| 01:09.46 | TD-Linux | hmm... I think vc8 has most of those features in it already |
| 01:09.46 | JeffM2501 | there should be versions for all VCs |
| 01:09.57 | JeffM2501 | it does |
| 01:09.59 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: don't need a function that just calls another function. |
| 01:10.02 | JeffM2501 | but VA's don't suck :) |
| 01:10.09 | TD-Linux | I have to pay for it? |
| 01:10.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:10.26 | JeffM2501 | that is how developers eat ya know |
| 01:10.53 | JeffM2501 | oh nm, no express |
| 01:10.56 | JeffM2501 | that sucks |
| 01:11.08 | TD-Linux | yeah |
| 01:11.53 | TD-Linux | yoweee |
| 01:11.56 | TD-Linux | it's expensive |
| 01:12.11 | TD-Linux | about as expensive as visual C++ itself |
| 01:12.37 | JeffM2501 | not the pro versions |
| 01:12.57 | JeffM2501 | we usualy pay about 300$ per dev for vc here |
| 01:13.01 | JeffM2501 | for the ones we need |
| 01:13.08 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 01:13.11 | JeffM2501 | VA is not an amature tool |
| 01:13.20 | TD-Linux | ok, then I don't need it :) |
| 01:13.52 | JeffM2501 | you said you hated intelesense |
| 01:14.27 | TD-Linux | well... not THAT much |
| 01:15.48 | TD-Linux | how do I tell BZFlag that I have GLEW? |
| 01:16.06 | TD-Linux | (in config.h) |
| 01:16.10 | JeffM2501 | it's probably tied to a #define |
| 01:16.19 | JeffM2501 | you would add that #define to your project |
| 01:16.48 | TD-Linux | yes, but I don't know what that #define is |
| 01:16.53 | TD-Linux | trepan told me, but I forgot of course |
| 01:16.56 | JeffM2501 | HAVE_GLEW |
| 01:17.20 | TD-Linux | just to 1, or do I have to specify a path? |
| 01:17.28 | JeffM2501 | bzflag project, properties -> C++ -> preprocessor |
| 01:17.34 | JeffM2501 | add it to the preprocessor defines |
| 01:17.41 | JeffM2501 | the code doesn't care where |
| 01:17.53 | JeffM2501 | you'd add it to the IDE's search paths |
| 01:17.58 | JeffM2501 | or add the files into existing paths |
| 01:18.07 | TD-Linux | ok, it's in existing paths, good |
| 01:18.09 | JeffM2501 | best would be to make a new target |
| 01:18.17 | JeffM2501 | that is GLEW supported |
| 01:18.28 | TD-Linux | it's where the GLEW website told it to be |
| 01:18.34 | TD-Linux | in the GL folder |
| 01:18.35 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 01:18.59 | TD-Linux | that one is already in the existing paths |
| 01:20.06 | TD-Linux | whoa... the Express Edition does support optimization! |
| 01:20.22 | blast007 | does a Dual PIII 1GHz server with 2 to 4GB of RAM (with 16 total slots) sounds like a good deal for $200? |
| 01:20.34 | TD-Linux | wow |
| 01:20.35 | blast007 | think it has dual SCSI channels, and dual IDE channels too |
| 01:20.39 | TD-Linux | wow |
| 01:20.42 | PuMpErNiCkLe | woah |
| 01:20.46 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:20.47 | PuMpErNiCkLe | hellz yeah |
| 01:20.49 | TD-Linux | buy it NOW |
| 01:20.49 | JeffM2501 | if it's in decent working order |
| 01:20.55 | JeffM2501 | how old is the mobo? |
| 01:20.59 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Do they have two? :) |
| 01:20.59 | blast007 | no idea |
| 01:21.06 | JeffM2501 | any drives? |
| 01:21.13 | JeffM2501 | and what kind of case |
| 01:21.14 | TD-Linux | 16 slots of RAM.... |
| 01:21.21 | TD-Linux | *for |
| 01:21.22 | blast007 | but I'd probably have to get a new drive too, since it only has a 10GB 10,000RPM SCSI right now |
| 01:21.36 | JeffM2501 | it's not a bad deal by any long shot |
| 01:21.38 | TD-Linux | isn't 10GB enough, considering the speed? |
| 01:21.49 | JeffM2501 | p3's are decently fast |
| 01:21.54 | JeffM2501 | you'll be on a 133 bus |
| 01:21.57 | JeffM2501 | no DDR or anything |
| 01:22.03 | TD-Linux | what do you want to use it for? |
| 01:22.06 | blast007 | still, better than the P133 I'm using right now :) |
| 01:22.07 | JeffM2501 | if you have a multi CPU appliaciton for it tho |
| 01:22.29 | JeffM2501 | if you just want speed, you can get a cheap semperon for that much what would be faster at single threads |
| 01:22.59 | blast007 | I'm gonna use it as a server, probably do apache and much more, so multi-cpu would be nice |
| 01:23.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:23.09 | JeffM2501 | then it sounds like not a bad deal |
| 01:23.14 | JeffM2501 | it's not a steal |
| 01:23.16 | blast007 | just need to find a place to put it...it's big |
| 01:23.17 | JeffM2501 | but it's a good deal |
| 01:23.22 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:23.30 | TD-Linux | for a server, 10GB should be plenty, imo |
| 01:23.41 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, depends on what your serving |
| 01:23.43 | blast007 | yeah, might not even put X on it |
| 01:23.53 | blast007 | but eventually I could use it for file storage |
| 01:24.04 | JeffM2501 | if it was my file server, 10 gig is no where near enough |
| 01:24.24 | blast007 | right |
| 01:24.32 | blast007 | that would last about 5 minutes for me |
| 01:24.34 | JeffM2501 | you'd sripe up a couple 200's |
| 01:24.47 | JeffM2501 | 250's are problby best bang for buck |
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| 01:46.11 | TD-Linux | how do I tell the VC project to use glew32.lib? |
| 01:49.37 | TD-Linux | figured it out |
| 01:54.07 | TD-Linux | yay! now I have an antisotropic filtering option! :) |
| 01:54.54 | TD-Linux | wow, does antisotropic filtering make bzflag look better |
| 01:55.22 | TD-Linux | I already had it forced on through my videocard driver, though :) |
| 01:59.15 | TD-Linux | my 2.1 version string is quite interesting |
| 01:59.40 | TD-Linux | DEVEL-W32-DevC++-MinGLW32-SDL |
| 01:59.53 | TD-Linux | considering I built in in VC... |
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| 02:03.58 | a-delusion | Just had an idea, don't know if its possible, remember trepans map that had a digital clock? |
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| 02:04.28 | a-delusion | why not a kill counter showing number of kills throughout the day |
| 02:04.43 | a-delusion | he did that by hacking dynamic colors right? |
| 02:04.52 | a-delusion | anyway, it's an idea.. |
| 02:05.12 | TD-Linux | no, the digital clock was not by hacking |
| 02:05.43 | TD-Linux | when he was thinking up that new gameplay style a while ago, he had a dyncolor hack to change the base color, although I never saw it working |
| 02:05.53 | JeffM2501 | the clock was based on timers and textures |
| 02:06.02 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't geting the actual time variable |
| 02:06.05 | trepan | the LCD was based on dynamic colors |
| 02:06.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah colors, that's it |
| 02:06.30 | trepan | it used the actually bz GameTime in 2.0.4+ releases |
| 02:06.39 | trepan | it had nothing to do with the textures |
| 02:06.43 | a-delusion | wll, if we could modify that thru a plugin, to track kills. |
| 02:06.52 | JeffM2501 | a-delusion, you can't |
| 02:06.55 | JeffM2501 | that's the thing |
| 02:06.59 | a-delusion | i know |
| 02:07.00 | JeffM2501 | the server didn't tell it to change |
| 02:07.07 | JeffM2501 | it's not just "modifying" a plugin |
| 02:07.08 | blast007 | you can't change the map after the client has it |
| 02:07.14 | trepan | you could with shaders :) |
| 02:07.15 | JeffM2501 | there is no mesage to tell it to change the map geo |
| 02:07.25 | JeffM2501 | how would you get the data over trepan ? |
| 02:07.32 | JeffM2501 | change the shader all the time? |
| 02:07.32 | trepan | it's already done |
| 02:07.42 | a-delusion | i like that! |
| 02:07.49 | trepan | i've mentionned it before, uniforms can be set from bzdb vars |
| 02:07.54 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 02:07.56 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 02:08.23 | JeffM2501 | be interesting |
| 02:08.25 | trepan | a better way would be to have the texmats/dyncols/etc... derived from generic exprs (possibly based on bzdb vars) |
| 02:08.28 | JeffM2501 | woudln't work on non moder hadware |
| 02:08.38 | a-delusion | well, i just presented it as an idea, i dont think i have any chance of producing it myself |
| 02:08.51 | JeffM2501 | a better way would be to make the maps just dynamic |
| 02:09.08 | JeffM2501 | and add texture and geo updates during play |
| 02:09.40 | trepan | fully dynamic (add/del every object all the time), is just ridiculous |
| 02:09.55 | JeffM2501 | fully yeah |
| 02:10.07 | JeffM2501 | but telling it to swap out a texture, or change to a difrent LOD isn't bad |
| 02:10.13 | JeffM2501 | or alternate geo |
| 02:10.20 | trepan | so things like dyncols based on bzdb vars would be more suitable for this type of app |
| 02:10.28 | JeffM2501 | have at it then |
| 02:10.41 | trepan | can't change it in 2.0.x |
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| 02:11.08 | a-delusion | i'd be satisfied with a simple door that opened and closed |
| 02:11.33 | a-delusion | or i might ask you another question soon trepan |
| 02:16.23 | TD-Linux | I just got an eeeeevil ide |
| 02:16.24 | TD-Linux | a |
| 02:17.14 | TD-Linux | What if bzfs pointed to a php file for the world cache, which specified randomly slightly different maps? |
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| 02:17.41 | JeffM2501 | cache? |
| 02:17.46 | JeffM2501 | the world comes from the server |
| 02:17.55 | trepan | or http |
| 02:18.00 | bryjen | the binary-format http download thingy |
| 02:18.01 | trepan | the MD5 chksums have to match |
| 02:18.18 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, if everyone had difrent maps, the game wouldn't work |
| 02:18.38 | JeffM2501 | and the map is only loaded on join |
| 02:20.37 | JeffM2501 | and why php? |
| 02:20.49 | TD-Linux | well... server side... |
| 02:20.57 | JeffM2501 | WEB server side |
| 02:20.59 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 02:21.17 | trepan | if have had some spare cpu cycles, you might try to produce an alternate map with the same m5d ;) |
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| 02:21.19 | JeffM2501 | the world cache is CLIENT side |
| 02:21.31 | trepan | although the chances of it being valid are pretty slim |
| 02:22.39 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: that's on purpose, so that the clients would download slightly different maps |
| 02:22.54 | JeffM2501 | you just mean as the map URL? |
| 02:23.00 | JeffM2501 | what woudl that do? |
| 02:23.06 | JeffM2501 | other then make everyone have a difrent game state |
| 02:23.13 | JeffM2501 | and make a completly horible expreience |
| 02:23.26 | TD-Linux | there is only one reason |
| 02:23.28 | trepan | you could also just send diff. md5's, but why? |
| 02:23.37 | JeffM2501 | to be stupid? |
| 02:23.46 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: good guess |
| 02:24.03 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 02:24.05 | TD-Linux | forgot that reason |
| 02:25.33 | blast007 | can the plugin API add stuff to a map specified via -world, or only create maps from scratch? |
| 02:26.09 | JeffM2501 | a little of nether :) |
| 02:26.20 | JeffM2501 | the map can have custom objects |
| 02:26.31 | JeffM2501 | the plugin can get them and do "stuff" based on there data |
| 02:26.35 | blast007 | ah |
| 02:26.44 | JeffM2501 | but as of now, it can't add geometry to that would |
| 02:26.46 | JeffM2501 | world |
| 02:27.11 | JeffM2501 | it can overide the world generation event, and add boxes and simple stuff |
| 02:27.21 | JeffM2501 | but it can't realy mix them |
| 02:27.41 | blast007 | yeah, that's what I was speaking of :) |
| 02:27.44 | a-delusion | trepan, could I have the code for the LCD clock as it currently exists, it's not for me, but for a temporal distraction |
| 02:28.06 | blast007 | but that is a one-time thing then |
| 02:28.10 | blast007 | not per join |
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| 02:29.29 | erik-k | Hmmm... that went faster than last time... |
| 02:29.31 | erik-k | Hi all |
| 02:29.35 | blast007 | hello |
| 02:30.35 | erik-k | Can someone check a web address for me? |
| 02:31.32 | erik-k | Sorry; I just need someone outside my home net to look at something for me |
| 02:31.40 | JeffM2501 | and that would be? |
| 02:32.05 | blast007 | erik-k: you can run the URL through the W3C HTML validator |
| 02:32.14 | erik-k | It's not validating... |
| 02:32.19 | blast007 | right, but if it can't get to it, it will let you know |
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| 02:32.29 | erik-k | Oh! |
| 02:32.34 | erik-k | Ok, thanks! |
| 02:32.41 | erik-k | bye all |
| 02:32.44 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:33.09 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah |
| 02:33.31 | blast007 | I knew his name was familar...asked the same thing a few days ago |
| 02:34.48 | JeffM2501 | yay, slowly the net code gets moved out of bzfs.cxx :) |
| 02:34.53 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): hook for player update to server side bot |
| 02:37.26 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:39.51 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfsMessages.cxx bzfsMessages.h): comonise client query player update code |
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| 02:45.08 | a-delusion | Jeff: about the lcd clock, it appears all the links in this post are dead |
| 02:45.10 | a-delusion | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3740 |
| 02:46.09 | trepan | yes, they are |
| 02:47.03 | bryjen | a moment of silence... |
| 02:47.26 | JeffM2501 | I have no controll over external links man |
| 02:47.31 | JeffM2501 | I can't magicaly make them come back |
| 02:47.53 | a-delusion | well, ill ask trepan for the file directly then. |
| 02:48.02 | a-delusion | Trepan, May I have the file? |
| 02:48.07 | a-delusion | Please |
| 02:48.13 | trepan | a-delusion: are you daft? |
| 02:48.27 | trepan | go to the bottom, i've already replied to your PM |
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| 02:48.36 | bryjen | ~spell retorical |
| 02:48.53 | PuMpErNiCkLe | hmm |
| 02:48.58 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ~spell adn |
| 02:49.56 | PuMpErNiCkLe | better than MS :o |
| 02:49.57 | PuMpErNiCkLe | http://www.bash.org/?80039 |
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| 02:51.21 | a-delusion | Trepan, the PM you sent, referred me to the dead links, there is no file attached to it. |
| 02:52.09 | trepan | a-delusion: best of luck |
| 02:52.14 | a-delusion | ok |
| 02:56.40 | bryjen | hrm |
| 02:57.08 | bryjen | In file included from AutoPilot.cxx:21: Roster.h:42: error: syntax error before `*' token |
| 02:57.29 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): server bot hooks for team updates |
| 03:00.12 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsMessages.h: newline at end of file |
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| 04:15.52 | bryjen | Ahh, RobotPlayer is the name of a class... and _somebody_ used it in an enum.... |
| 04:16.08 | bryjen | ~smite JeffM2501 |
| 04:16.10 | ibot | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves JeffM2501 from crown to sole. |
| 04:17.57 | bryjen | not sure what bzfsAPI.h is doing in the client tho... |
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| 04:28.18 | bryjen | ah, global.h brings in bzfsAPI.h |
| 04:37.51 | bryjen | this explains why those recent changes were making so much stuff rebuild |
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| 05:58.27 | sniperyyd | how could i make a texture material that will make the texture going how i say ( forward , backward ) |
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| 07:12.49 | sniperyyd | how to make an arc but inside the arc to be empty like a-delusion < RIVER BY JPA > Map |
| 07:13.07 | sniperyyd | how to make an arc but inside the arc to be empty. Like a-delusion < RIVER BY JPA > Map |
| 07:21.19 | trepan | use multiple arcs, or go learn a modeller (assuming you mean hollowed arcs) |
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| 07:24.55 | brlcad | bz.brad.bz :) |
| 07:25.19 | lan56 | sounds like thats brad2901's server |
| 07:28.33 | trepan | trademark? |
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| 07:34.26 | *** mode/#bzflag [+ov learner Nidhoggr] by irc.freenode.net |
| 07:34.52 | sniperyyd | wb |
| 07:34.55 | sniperyyd | but how to make drivetrough an arc? |
| 07:35.23 | trepan | sniperyyd: use the drivethrough keyword |
| 07:35.23 | sniperyyd | ok |
| 07:36.02 | trepan | whether or not that will achieve the effect you desire remains to be seen |
| 07:40.32 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03bzgirl 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/TextChunkManager.cxx: allow for longer help files (50 lines) |
| 07:44.35 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03bzgirl * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/TextChunkManager.cxx: merge branch to head; allow for longer help files (50 lines) |
| 07:45.21 | trepan | orchid: some folks run with smaller console, and expecting folks to know how to use PageUp/PageDown may be a bit of a stretch =) |
| 07:46.09 | brlcad | her help says, use pageup/pagedown keys to scroll at the bottom ;) |
| 07:46.40 | orchid | hmm, 20 lines can be seen whatever screen res you run at? |
| 07:47.23 | trepan | nope |
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| 07:54.43 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03bzgirl 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (NEWS ChangeLog): news for default help file size increase |
| 07:54.49 | LePoulpe303 | hi all |
| 07:55.12 | orchid | hello LePoulpe303 |
| 07:55.33 | LePoulpe303 | hi :) |
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| 07:57.33 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 08:06.22 | LePoulpe303 | damn is there someone else than jefm2501 that manage bzflag forum ? |
| 08:07.06 | orchid | I think menotume and dt |
| 08:10.49 | brlcad | LePoulpe303: what's the problem? |
| 08:12.20 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad : just i'm waiting to see jeffm here since 1 week to have a discussion with him but it seems that we don't connect on same hours |
| 08:12.37 | silverfox | what do you want done? |
| 08:12.40 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad : i would like to add a topic for my software on bzflag site |
| 08:13.03 | silverfox | your "software" ? |
| 08:13.14 | brlcad | if it's related to bzflag, just post ;) |
| 08:13.20 | LePoulpe303 | silverfox : http://bzmanager.blogspot.com |
| 08:13.25 | orchid | his bzflag manager |
| 08:13.45 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad : would like to know where |
| 08:14.26 | brlcad | LePoulpe303: i'd say if you wanted to announce it to people, it belongs under the news/announcements section ;) |
| 08:14.35 | Birdie | american should be in bed now?:) |
| 08:14.47 | brlcad | silly Birdie |
| 08:14.52 | orchid | the early Birdie gets the worm |
| 08:15.04 | Birdie | hehe, it counts for canadian people to;) |
| 08:15.29 | orchid | it's winter in Canada. no one sleeps |
| 08:15.48 | brlcad | this has been a horrible winter here |
| 08:15.52 | Birdie | orchid: you have snow lucker |
| 08:15.57 | brlcad | warmest on record |
| 08:16.06 | orchid | it's been great here, mild and no snow |
| 08:16.09 | Birdie | where are you situated brlcad? |
| 08:16.27 | brlcad | Birdie: maryland, u.s. |
| 08:16.29 | brlcad | east coast |
| 08:16.50 | orchid | near East Virginia |
| 08:16.57 | brlcad | chesapeake, crabs, seafood, ... |
| 08:17.00 | brlcad | heh |
| 08:17.07 | brlcad | east virginia.. |
| 08:17.27 | brlcad | close to DC, could bike there if I really wanted |
| 08:17.39 | Birdie | "if i really wanted":) |
| 08:17.56 | brlcad | might risk getting shot, but it's close enough :) |
| 08:18.21 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad : i would like to post for recruit too |
| 08:18.21 | Birdie | its so safe over there:) |
| 08:18.33 | brlcad | would entail driving through both downtown baltimore through some bad suburbs and same through DC |
| 08:18.55 | brlcad | LePoulpe303: "for recruit" means what? |
| 08:19.10 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad : means i speak bad english :D |
| 08:19.10 | brlcad | get people to join the project? that'd go under news/announcements too still |
| 08:19.13 | brlcad | heh |
| 08:19.33 | LePoulpe303 | "to recruit " would have been better |
| 08:19.40 | LePoulpe303 | excuse my french |
| 08:21.18 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad : thanks , i'll post to new then :) |
| 08:22.16 | brlcad | LePoulpe303: what would you say the official name of your project is? |
| 08:22.55 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (ControlPanel.cxx ControlPanel.h): clientCommands.cxx |
| 08:22.57 | brlcad | "BZ Manager", "BZManager", "BZFlag Manager"? |
| 08:22.58 | trepan | oops |
| 08:23.00 | LePoulpe303 | BZManager |
| 08:23.09 | LePoulpe303 | ./bzmgr |
| 08:23.12 | LePoulpe303 | BZManager.exe |
| 08:23.14 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 08:23.36 | LePoulpe303 | BZManager sounds good , no ? ;) |
| 08:23.57 | orchid | it does |
| 08:25.24 | brlcad | LePoulpe303: you have your own forum section now too |
| 08:25.26 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/clientCommands.cxx: |
| 08:25.26 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: - add new scrollpanel binding targets (up_page, down_page, top, bottom) |
| 08:25.26 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: - optional count value for scrollpanel actions (ex: scrollpanel up 4) |
| 08:25.29 | brlcad | under development |
| 08:25.43 | brlcad | so you can refer to that in your announcement |
| 08:25.47 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad : woooow |
| 08:25.58 | orchid | ty trepan |
| 08:25.59 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad :thanks a lot :) |
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| 08:26.41 | brlcad | and as soon as I can remember how to make you the moderator.. |
| 08:29.16 | brlcad | there, done |
| 08:29.16 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ActionBinding.cxx: add default bindings for the new scrollpanel actions |
| 08:29.16 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad : you're great |
| 08:30.16 | Birdie | LePoulpe: dont say that out loud:) |
| 08:31.06 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 08:34.52 | LePoulpe303 | ok all done |
| 08:55.01 | LePoulpe303 | wow i'm a cadet now |
| 08:56.43 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ActionBinding.cxx: better bindings |
| 08:58.36 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/KeyboardMapMenu.cxx: |
| 08:58.36 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: - add the 'scrollpanel bottom' keybinding to the menu |
| 08:58.36 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: - configure the up_page and down_page instead of the up and down bindings |
| 09:09.23 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (ActionBinding.cxx HelpMenu.cxx): minor improvements |
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| 09:41.09 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/CommandsImplementation.cxx: added the client-side /bind command |
| 09:46.28 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/CommandsImplementation.cxx: help format |
| 09:57.49 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/CommandsImplementation.cxx: unbind any old bindings to the event/press pair |
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| 10:43.10 | LePoulpe303 | anyone can access to sourceforge web site ? |
| 10:53.44 | meacan | yep |
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| 12:12.25 | TreadBaron | hey peeps |
| 12:13.14 | TreadBaron | any soulz in here wanna aid and abet me in helping me to remember something? |
| 12:13.46 | TreadBaron | I have completely forgotten how to load a saved map??? |
| 12:15.02 | *** join/#bzflag tread (n=507e2ce5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 12:15.12 | tread | hmm strange |
| 12:15.23 | tread | anyhoo anybody in here??? |
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| 12:15.32 | tread | help |
| 12:15.45 | tread | hey bluey maybe you know |
| 12:16.03 | tread | I have forgotten how to load a saved map |
| 12:16.13 | tread | D'oh |
| 12:16.29 | tread | anybody??? |
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| 12:43.39 | tread | hey tough |
| 12:43.48 | tread | nmaybe you know |
| 12:44.49 | tread | I have forgotten how to load a saved map |
| 12:45.16 | tread | grumble |
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| 12:59.35 | tread | I have forgotten how to load a saved map |
| 12:59.41 | tread | anybody??? |
| 13:00.57 | trepan | ~bzfs |
| 13:00.59 | ibot | bzfs is, like, the BZflag server, you need: -publicaddr server.name.com:5154 *and* -public " come play here" must be set in your bzfs.conf, *also* open the port (5154 in this case) in your firewall/router *also* see http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer, or see http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 13:01.26 | tread | hey trepan |
| 13:02.02 | tread | i seem to remember that there was a very simple way of loading a map just to check it out |
| 13:02.58 | tread | it was in options or another part of the menu?? |
| 13:03.59 | tread | i just need to get in and take a look around again |
| 13:19.38 | Chestal | tread: you can start a local bzfs server from within the client. Maybe you can specify a map there, too |
| 13:19.51 | tread | hey response thanx |
| 13:20.08 | tread | i have tried loading bzfs but get an error |
| 13:20.57 | tread | "bad comand line please specify a valid world" but I know this one is valid?? |
| 13:21.33 | tread | "or do not add any command line options" |
| 13:21.53 | tread | i seem to remember that it was pretty simple to load up a world |
| 13:23.55 | tread | ndang dang dang |
| 13:24.39 | *** join/#bzflag user15 (n=d0f73102@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 13:24.44 | user15 | hello |
| 13:24.54 | tread | hmm is there a new version of bzfs?? |
| 13:25.02 | tread | hi user |
| 13:25.07 | user15 | hioh |
| 13:25.11 | Chestal | tread: if you start bzfs manually (not from within the client), I guess it's just bzfs -world /path/to/my/worldfile |
| 13:25.17 | user15 | no |
| 13:25.20 | user15 | hey |
| 13:25.53 | tread | you mean not from within bzflag itself?? |
| 13:26.30 | tread | is it possible to start it from within the options menu or such?? |
| 13:26.57 | Chestal | join game -> start server |
| 13:27.10 | user15 | so how would you upload |
| 13:27.14 | Chestal | only meant for local playing and testing, though. I don't know how well it works |
| 13:27.38 | tread | ah start server, riiiight |
| 13:27.45 | user15 | yah |
| 13:27.47 | user15 | then |
| 13:27.52 | user15 | what |
| 13:28.57 | user15 | I have the map I want to use but after I am done with bzfs I get stuck |
| 13:28.59 | tread | ok it says server started |
| 13:29.17 | user15 | well i want my map to play on |
| 13:29.43 | tread | hmm then i go to connect and it says server not found |
| 13:29.54 | blast007 | what are you connecting to for a server? |
| 13:30.07 | user15 | hu? |
| 13:30.15 | tread | explain blast plz |
| 13:30.28 | tread | here is what i am doing: |
| 13:30.32 | user15 | ok |
| 13:30.34 | blast007 | tread: you'll want localhost for the server, and 5154 for the port |
| 13:30.48 | user15 | ok |
| 13:30.49 | user15 | ok] |
| 13:31.11 | tread | i start bzflag, go into start server, set world map and then it says server started |
| 13:31.31 | tread | yeah localhost and port 5154 set |
| 13:31.39 | user15 | how do i set the world map |
| 13:31.54 | user15 | it won't let me do anything there |
| 13:32.07 | tread | then do i connect or find server or what? |
| 13:32.08 | blast007 | user15: if the map is in the place it expects, and with the right extension, it will let you pick it in the Start Server menu |
| 13:32.19 | blast007 | but the menu is not the best way to run a server |
| 13:32.26 | blast007 | most of the options are not available |
| 13:32.39 | user15 | yah bzfs is mean to me |
| 13:32.46 | tread | ah but that isnt important to me blast |
| 13:33.00 | user15 | where does it expect the map to be and what ext |
| 13:33.12 | blast007 | if you can't get it working in the menu, then yes, it IS important to you |
| 13:33.13 | tread | all i want is to be ble to look around nd get some screen shots |
| 13:33.30 | blast007 | the command line one would show any errors during the load process, etc |
| 13:33.39 | user15 | I just need to school my buddies on our maps |
| 13:33.41 | tread | yeah but i have the "server started" green light already |
| 13:34.00 | blast007 | then you should be able to connect to localhost on port 5154 |
| 13:34.10 | user15 | it never lets me do anything in the command promt |
| 13:34.21 | tread | but connect gives server not found?? |
| 13:34.27 | blast007 | sigh... |
| 13:34.38 | tread | patience is a virtue |
| 13:35.05 | tread | so how can the server be loaded and not be foud?? |
| 13:35.30 | tread | er started and not found?? |
| 13:35.51 | blast007 | because you are starting it from inside the client... |
| 13:36.07 | blast007 | you can't be sure there isn't an error it is generating |
| 13:36.11 | tread | but where should i start it from then? |
| 13:36.27 | blast007 | from the command line |
| 13:36.43 | tread | the command line in do? |
| 13:36.49 | tread | dos? |
| 13:37.06 | blast007 | cd \program files\Bzflag2.0.4\ |
| 13:37.40 | blast007 | bzfs -j -ddd -world c:\path\to\your\map.bzw |
| 13:37.40 | tread | ok ill try that brb |
| 13:41.58 | tread | hmm got lots of stuff |
| 13:42.14 | blast007 | now try to connect to localhost on port 5154 |
| 13:42.31 | tread | warnings, coldet octree md5 genertion... |
| 13:42.38 | tread | ok |
| 13:43.42 | tread | still get server not found |
| 13:43.51 | tread | ndouble dang |
| 13:44.17 | tread | hmm but i get the basic idea |
| 13:44.38 | tread | you start the server w bzfs and then u log into it |
| 13:44.46 | tread | right? |
| 13:45.12 | tread | or bzfs acts like the server |
| 13:45.20 | blast007 | bzfs IS the server |
| 13:45.33 | tread | right.. er um thats what i meant |
| 13:45.44 | blast007 | that's what the client launches when you do "start server" |
| 13:45.58 | blast007 | just try: bzfs -ddd |
| 13:46.05 | tread | k |
| 13:46.09 | blast007 | then leave it there, and try again in the client |
| 13:46.24 | tread | do i have to unload the other server first? |
| 13:46.30 | blast007 | yeah |
| 13:46.35 | blast007 | ctrl + c on the window |
| 13:49.21 | tread | grumble still get server not found |
| 13:50.00 | blast007 | tried port 5155? |
| 13:50.20 | tread | but the mesh warnings arent there |
| 13:50.29 | tread | k will try that |
| 13:51.19 | tread | hmm with bzfs -ddd i didnt set a map??? |
| 13:51.26 | blast007 | right |
| 13:51.32 | blast007 | just to see if we can connect at all |
| 13:51.40 | tread | yeah thought so |
| 13:52.03 | tread | bummer |
| 13:52.23 | tread | any more ideas? |
| 13:52.38 | blast007 | not really |
| 13:52.43 | tread | jeez i remember that it was pretty simple and problem free |
| 13:53.02 | tread | maybe that was w version 2.0.2 |
| 13:53.08 | blast007 | could try 127.0.0.1 for the server |
| 13:53.13 | blast007 | then 5154 for the port again |
| 13:53.40 | tread | bnhehe that did it |
| 13:53.50 | tread | gaaawd |
| 13:54.00 | tread | so now to load my own map |
| 13:54.10 | tread | can i do that in the client then?? |
| 13:54.14 | blast007 | localhost is supposed to point to 127.0.0.1, so normally it works ;) |
| 13:54.15 | blast007 | yeah |
| 13:55.41 | tread | hmmm |
| 14:11.51 | tread | right after some searching thats got it |
| 14:12.01 | tread | thanx muchly blast |
| 14:12.33 | tread | anyway to get wings while im in? |
| 14:13.31 | blast007 | you could always use Observer |
| 14:13.40 | blast007 | if you want a screenshot |
| 14:14.34 | tread | right what are the controls for observer again? |
| 14:15.10 | tread | i mean to fly around etc |
| 14:15.55 | blast007 | experiment with combinations of holding down one of Shift, Ctrl, or Alt, and using the arrow keys |
| 14:16.27 | blast007 | also F6 to F11 should be helpful |
| 14:16.32 | blast007 | and F5 for a screenshot |
| 14:16.52 | blast007 | you can also turn off the radar and console, then type /localset noGUI 1 |
| 14:17.01 | tread | is there a fly in the air mode? |
| 14:17.03 | blast007 | that will turn off all of the user interface items |
| 14:17.11 | blast007 | yeah |
| 14:17.20 | blast007 | use F8 to switch to Roaming |
| 14:17.42 | tread | yeah im in roaming but how do i go up? |
| 14:18.01 | blast007 | Shift + Down (don't ask, cuz it doesn't make sense to me either) ;) |
| 14:18.30 | tread | hmm not working?? |
| 14:18.42 | blast007 | yes, it should |
| 14:19.13 | blast007 | works for me |
| 14:19.19 | tread | well im not getting ny higher off the ground?? |
| 14:19.31 | tread | is there a commnd for a creenshot as well? |
| 14:19.38 | tread | screenshot |
| 14:19.42 | blast007 | you're holding down shift while pressing the down arrow? |
| 14:19.50 | blast007 | F5 is screenshot |
| 14:20.03 | tread | yep hold shif down arrow |
| 14:20.28 | blast007 | then you're either a) not roaming or b) not observer ;) |
| 14:20.36 | tread | cool |
| 14:20.52 | blast007 | did you join as observer? |
| 14:20.56 | tread | well it says roming at top of screen and i started as observer |
| 14:21.01 | blast007 | hrm |
| 14:21.16 | tread | could be the strangeness of my meshy world |
| 14:21.23 | blast007 | nah |
| 14:22.07 | tread | does a screenshot include all the text? |
| 14:22.18 | blast007 | it includes what's on the screen |
| 14:22.25 | tread | ah i c |
| 14:22.38 | blast007 | but if you do what I said above, you can turn it off |
| 14:22.58 | tread | yeah i did |
| 14:23.13 | tread | would like to get in the air though |
| 14:23.30 | blast007 | Shift is the height one |
| 14:24.25 | tread | hmmm |
| 14:25.05 | tread | funny cause down arrow doesnt make me go backwards?? |
| 14:25.11 | tread | either |
| 14:25.38 | blast007 | did you change your key mapping then? |
| 14:25.46 | blast007 | check the movement keys |
| 14:25.52 | tread | oh maybe that is it?? |
| 14:27.05 | tread | hehe that was it\ |
| 14:27.14 | tread | for some reason it wasnt mapped |
| 14:27.48 | tread | hmm what is back down?? |
| 14:28.03 | tread | duh up of course |
| 14:28.27 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 14:30.01 | tread | man i miss having a host server |
| 14:30.13 | tread | it is very cool to see my worlds again |
| 14:30.39 | tread | did u ever see them? |
| 14:32.01 | blast007 | probably |
| 14:32.28 | tread | youd remember cuz im the one who made curves and flying the norm |
| 14:36.07 | trepan | heh |
| 14:36.31 | tread | oh and endless bullets |
| 14:41.53 | tread | really blast thanx a lot |
| 14:42.03 | blast007 | :) |
| 14:42.30 | tread | now if i can find all the incarnations of all my maps |
| 14:43.05 | tread | maybe i should try hosting |
| 14:43.25 | tread | how hard can it be to get a server up and running??? eeek |
| 14:43.56 | tread | is it possible to server from a comp tht is not an actual server? |
| 14:44.15 | tread | i mean is it workable? |
| 14:44.16 | BearPerson | depends |
| 14:44.25 | tread | on? |
| 14:44.30 | BearPerson | any network-capable computer can work as a server, I think |
| 14:44.43 | tread | 3.2 GHz w 2 gigs ram |
| 14:44.50 | BearPerson | but windows XP (probably others) are especially inept at serving for multiple users |
| 14:45.06 | tread | 700kbytes dl 300 up |
| 14:45.14 | BearPerson | I think XP home can only have 5 incoming TCP connections active at the same time |
| 14:45.19 | BearPerson | 10 for XP pro |
| 14:45.23 | tread | ah thank u b gates |
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| 14:46.13 | blast007 | I run a server on a 133MHz system ;) |
| 14:46.31 | blast007 | linux |
| 14:46.32 | tread | i c and running another server os under ms probably isnt a real option either is it? |
| 14:46.47 | Chestal | tread: you can try, in general I would not recommend to run a public server on a desktop machine. Other applications, in particular games, are likely to affect the server, so it's less capable of serving the requests in real-time |
| 14:47.00 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerStartMenu.cxx: kill the old server before starting the new one *nix OSes) |
| 14:47.14 | tread | eeek u are spelling L A G?? |
| 14:47.43 | sniperyyd | could someone give me a shell account with permissions of bzflag server? :) :D |
| 14:47.46 | blast007 | windows isn't good as servering things in general |
| 14:47.49 | blast007 | at* |
| 14:48.01 | sniperyyd | b gates sux ;) |
| 14:48.11 | blast007 | yes he does |
| 14:48.15 | blast007 | and so will vista |
| 14:48.20 | *** join/#bzflag Bladerunner (n=c24851e2@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 14:48.22 | sniperyyd | yep |
| 14:48.32 | blast007 | I'm expecting a jump in Mac sales ;) |
| 14:48.34 | tread | vista?? is that longhorns w a new name? |
| 14:48.37 | blast007 | yeah |
| 14:48.46 | sniperyyd | i just seen the vista beta 1 and SUCKS!!! Really SUCKS ;) |
| 14:48.49 | sniperyyd | yeah |
| 14:48.49 | blast007 | it will require you to buy a new monitor |
| 14:48.53 | sniperyyd | vista codename longhorn |
| 14:48.56 | tread | ack big brother is at the gates |
| 14:49.10 | blast007 | with a DRM chip (Digital Rights Management) |
| 14:49.17 | tread | forget that |
| 14:49.18 | Guu` | Okay! |
| 14:49.29 | blast007 | so any monitor you buy today, will not work with Vista, from what I've heard :) |
| 14:49.45 | trepan | can't see the bzfs -pf option being all that useful... |
| 14:49.48 | sniperyyd | will work with a black*white one ??? :)) |
| 14:50.22 | *** part/#bzflag Bladerunner (n=c24851e2@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 14:50.23 | Chestal | trepan: pidfile? |
| 14:50.24 | blast007 | actually, I think the other monitors will work, but any video you play will be fuzzy |
| 14:50.33 | tread | anybody seen hide or hair of dtr? |
| 14:50.46 | sniperyyd | nopez |
| 14:51.01 | trepan | Chestal: use a system spec'ed port |
| 14:51.17 | Chestal | uhm, is that a new option? |
| 14:51.20 | blast007 | ~een DTRemenak |
| 14:51.22 | trepan | no, old |
| 14:51.22 | sniperyyd | could someone give me a shell account with permissions of bzflag server? :) :D |
| 14:51.22 | blast007 | er |
| 14:51.26 | trepan | just not doc'ed |
| 14:51.26 | blast007 | ~seen DTRemenak |
| 14:51.29 | ibot | dtremenak <n=DTRemena@DHCP-170-143.caltech.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3d 17h 41m 16s ago, saying: 'oops'. |
| 14:51.38 | Chestal | ah. strange |
| 14:51.48 | trepan | it's used for the client started servers, to avoid collisions |
| 14:52.04 | Chestal | but -pidfile doesn't soudn very useful either to me |
| 14:52.04 | sniperyyd | someone answer my question: |
| 14:52.06 | trepan | but that's just dumb, as you couldn't find the server easily anyway ;) |
| 14:52.06 | sniperyyd | could someone give me a shell account with permissions of bzflag server? :) :D |
| 14:52.44 | Chestal | trepan: yes, it woudl at least require some feedback so one would know the chosen port |
| 14:53.13 | trepan | there are shell scripting tricks to avoid the need for -pidfile, dunno if it was mostly for the winny folks |
| 14:53.31 | Chestal | I wouldn't call that 'tricks' :-) |
| 14:53.45 | sniperyyd | plz question: could someone give me a shell account with permissions of bzflag server????? |
| 14:53.46 | Chestal | I cannot imagine a palce where you start a process where you cannot easily get hold of the pid |
| 14:53.51 | trepan | techniques; we all happy with the wording now? |
| 14:53.52 | Chestal | whatever, it doesn't hurt either |
| 14:54.24 | blast007 | sniperyyd: dude, chill out, I can't imagine anyone giving you access |
| 14:54.48 | sniperyyd | blast007: heh ^_^ |
| 14:54.50 | blast007 | especially when you ask every 2 minutes, and use ??????? |
| 14:54.53 | trepan | sniperyyd: your two ?'s over my limit, sorry |
| 14:55.27 | sniperyyd | im apologizing for that... I am a lil lost :( |
| 14:57.38 | tread | is that dtr's new email add? cuz he didnt respond to my last email but i know he's busy |
| 14:58.37 | blast007 | that's his hostmask |
| 14:58.57 | blast007 | just like you are: 507e2ce5@webchat.bzflag.bz |
| 14:59.16 | tread | ah so is his old email add the only one i can use? |
| 14:59.26 | tread | right |
| 15:03.59 | sniperyyd | trepan: I am apologizing... But I seen anyone doesnt respond to my question... |
| 15:04.20 | trepan | sniperyyd: assume that that means no one is willing to give you access |
| 15:05.01 | sniperyyd | well, yep, i assume |
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| 15:13.31 | Chestal | the bz list server listens at ports 80 and 81, yes? Any others? |
| 15:16.21 | tread | ok kids im out, thanks again blast, u made my day |
| 15:17.06 | tread | now if i could only get someone to explain the intricacies of flash to me... hehe |
| 15:17.57 | tread | later all |
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| 16:08.46 | brlcad | happy friday JBdiGriz |
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| 16:21.30 | JBdiGriz | Friday? |
| 16:29.29 | SportChick | ~seen menotume |
| 16:29.47 | ibot | menotume is currently on #bzflag (1d 15h 33m 51s) #kierra (1d 15h 33m 51s) #bzleague (1d 15h 33m 51s) #dub (1d 15h 33m 51s) #silvercat (1d 15h 33m 51s) #bz-inc (1d 15h 33m 51s). Has said a total of 284 messages. Is idling for 21h 53m 48s, last said: 'or, who can shoot themselves quiker'. |
| 16:41.26 | *** join/#bzflag Ares (n=user@80.148.20.223) |
| 16:42.24 | *** join/#bzflag Thio (n=Thio@nanpc422.in2p3.fr) |
| 16:42.26 | Thio | hi ! |
| 16:42.52 | Thio | may I ask a question to somebody alive ? |
| 16:43.10 | Ares | what's your question |
| 16:43.22 | Thio | I have written a BzFlagLog |
| 16:43.25 | brlcad | howdy Ares |
| 16:43.30 | Ares | hi |
| 16:43.36 | brlcad | is it really "Ares"? |
| 16:43.39 | *** join/#bzflag catay_ (n=smertens@85-158-210-47.powered-by.benesol.be) |
| 16:43.44 | Thio | to identify players I am using the ips of their computers |
| 16:43.55 | Ares | yes, really me |
| 16:44.01 | brlcad | been a while.. ;) |
| 16:44.01 | Thio | but in case of connection with a ssh tunnel, they seem to have the same IP |
| 16:44.02 | Ares | why? has someone been here before impersonating me? |
| 16:44.12 | brlcad | nah, just been a while |
| 16:44.23 | Thio | is there any place in the source code where I can differentiate the players with their actual IP ? |
| 16:45.16 | brlcad | Thio: not through a tunnel |
| 16:45.17 | Ares | hmmm. don't know enough about ssh tunneling. |
| 16:45.26 | Thio | so I'm done :( |
| 16:45.32 | brlcad | they might as well have come from the same machine |
| 16:45.41 | Thio | I have to differentiate them through their callsign |
| 16:45.44 | brlcad | tunneling can't perform very well i'd imagine |
| 16:45.45 | brlcad | for lag |
| 16:46.01 | Ares | yeah. ssh tunneling would add quite a bit of lag |
| 16:46.07 | Thio | but this allow the player to disconnect and to come back but with a score equal to 0 |
| 16:46.18 | Thio | ssh tunneling is ok, we have a fast network |
| 16:46.19 | brlcad | that happens regardless of tunneling |
| 16:46.31 | brlcad | disconnect, rejoin, zero score |
| 16:46.38 | Thio | yes and this is bad :) |
| 16:46.45 | Ares | maybe on your end, but the distant end may not be a high powered server. that would add lag too. |
| 16:46.51 | brlcad | could increase the rejoin time limit |
| 16:46.57 | brlcad | make it really painful to rejoin |
| 16:47.23 | Thio | no please forget these considerations of lags, we are a small group of players on a very fast network so that my problem is not here |
| 16:47.30 | Ares | why would you want to tunnel bzflag traffic? |
| 16:47.44 | Ares | ah, local hosting? |
| 16:47.50 | Thio | because we are playing from different places protected by firewall |
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| 16:48.14 | Ares | you don't have control of the firewall, i assume? |
| 16:48.21 | Thio | you assume well |
| 16:48.29 | Thio | impossible to have 5154 opened |
| 16:48.30 | Ares | ah, i see |
| 16:48.44 | Thio | 5154 and others by the way |
| 16:48.52 | Thio | only port 22 |
| 16:49.42 | Ares | could be any port, just forwarded. but i assume that it's not a project that is entirely blessed by the company? |
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| 16:49.55 | brlcad | Thio: could run bzfs on port 80? |
| 16:49.57 | Thio | exactlu ares :) |
| 16:50.01 | Ares | lol |
| 16:50.05 | Thio | I have only the port 22 |
| 16:50.14 | Chestal | stop sshd, run bz at port 22 :-) |
| 16:50.16 | brlcad | i could imagine some lower ports that you could run bzfs on that someone would have to be crazy to block |
| 16:50.18 | Ares | lol |
| 16:50.19 | brlcad | yeah |
| 16:50.23 | Thio | and, right, 80 but used by the web |
| 16:50.36 | Thio | lol Chestal |
| 16:50.45 | Thio | but I don't want to play with bots |
| 16:52.01 | Thio | and I really want to have these bzlogs work because it is very pretty (with gnuplot etc !) |
| 16:54.08 | Thio | so this is hopeless ? |
| 16:55.37 | brlcad | Thio: shouldn't be hopeless |
| 16:55.48 | brlcad | if you take tunneling out of the picture |
| 16:56.03 | Thio | ok but how players can connect without tunneling ? |
| 16:56.07 | brlcad | like I said, i'm sure there's a port I bet you can find and get working that won't be blocked |
| 16:56.27 | Ares | nmap |
| 16:56.31 | Thio | ok maybe I can try to find one but people in my lab are crazy about security checks |
| 16:56.33 | brlcad | port 22 actually isn't a bad idea either |
| 16:56.52 | Thio | ok but people have to be able to connect on port 22 for WORK :) |
| 16:57.03 | brlcad | so you're running bzfs on some server? |
| 16:57.08 | brlcad | instead of on a client? |
| 16:57.14 | Thio | yes on my own server, private one |
| 16:57.20 | Ares | even with port 22, wouldn't they have to have port forward setup on the firewall? |
| 16:57.21 | Thio | and my friends join me |
| 16:57.26 | brlcad | and people log in to you |
| 16:57.35 | Thio | yes brlcad |
| 16:57.53 | Thio | I did not understand Ares |
| 16:58.05 | brlcad | Ares: yeah, but presumably that is already done because ssh works |
| 16:58.14 | brlcad | same goes for a variety of other ports |
| 16:58.25 | brlcad | there are probably at least a dozen that would likely work |
| 16:58.45 | brlcad | you have root? just try various low ports |
| 16:58.52 | brlcad | even non-22 |
| 16:58.52 | Ares | if you guys are behind a firewall and someone outside the firewall wants to connect to a bzflag server inside the firewall, there would need to be a port forward rule on the firewall for the bzfs server |
| 16:58.55 | Thio | yes I have root |
| 16:59.05 | orange | 443 |
| 16:59.28 | brlcad | port 8000 is another good one usually |
| 16:59.32 | brlcad | X11 |
| 16:59.41 | brlcad | er, 6000 |
| 16:59.45 | Thio | I don't think there is a forward rule on the firewall ares |
| 16:59.49 | Thio | I am not sure |
| 16:59.56 | Ares | brlcad: ssh works for outgoing traffic, but what about incoming traffic? |
| 17:00.06 | Ares | connections, i mean |
| 17:00.07 | brlcad | he's got people sshing in |
| 17:00.15 | orange | 21, 23, 25, 42 -- all commonly open |
| 17:00.17 | Thio | I juste use from outside |
| 17:00.38 | orange | but maybe you don't use those ports for their intended services, so you could use them for this |
| 17:00.55 | Thio | ssh -N -L 5154:bzserver.bar.foo:5154 sshaccess.bar.foo |
| 17:01.08 | brlcad | so you ssh in, run bzfs on port 6000 |
| 17:01.16 | Ares | Thio: when you ssh in - say from home - does it go to a particular server? if that is the server that you use to run the bzfs on then it's completely feasible if you shutdown ssh for the time being |
| 17:01.42 | brlcad | Ares: he'd said it's all local net traffic when they play, otherwise tunneling _would_ be hell |
| 17:01.53 | Thio | yes but many people should log in on this computer |
| 17:02.00 | Thio | either for a bz game or for work |
| 17:02.37 | brlcad | out of curiosity, is the entire motivation to prevent people from rejoining to reset their score? |
| 17:02.56 | brlcad | how is having unique IPs going to prevent that? :) |
| 17:02.56 | Ares | i don't understand what the issue is then. if it's all local, then just the hosting computer has to shutdown ssh on port 22. |
| 17:03.32 | Ares | it's probably easier to track ip's since people can change their nicks easily |
| 17:03.51 | brlcad | yeah, but we're talking about coworkers |
| 17:03.52 | Thio | brlcad: because my bzlog program knows that each player has his own computer |
| 17:03.57 | Ares | so, when someone logs out and back in, then their score remains the same |
| 17:03.57 | brlcad | you walk over and smack them in the head |
| 17:04.09 | Ares | lol |
| 17:04.10 | Thio | lol brlcad |
| 17:04.45 | brlcad | seriously, done that at work sometimes :) |
| 17:04.56 | Ares | lol |
| 17:05.04 | brlcad | you got a problem with someone, a stapler will usually take care of any problem |
| 17:05.18 | Ares | lmao, dang mafia tatics |
| 17:05.51 | brlcad | quite effective |
| 17:06.31 | trepan | bzbb has been douchb'ed, persistent fools |
| 17:06.39 | JBdiGriz | Is someone trying to use technology to solve social issues again? |
| 17:06.40 | brlcad | alright, so you're wanting to log player performance -- there's incentive for them to stick to a single callsign for logging if they're any good |
| 17:06.48 | brlcad | if they're changing, they either dont' care or suck :) |
| 17:07.35 | brlcad | and even if you did run bzfs on a different port, like 6000, they could still ssh tunnel to another machine and screw up ip-based stats |
| 17:07.35 | Thio | ok brlcad |
| 17:07.56 | Thio | yes right |
| 17:08.21 | Thio | unless if there were a way to trace the first IP which would be the actual IP of the player |
| 17:08.25 | brlcad | if you modified the client, you might be able to detect a tunnel |
| 17:08.28 | Thio | this was in fact my actual question |
| 17:08.31 | brlcad | by testing some environment variables |
| 17:08.41 | brlcad | but that's not fullproof |
| 17:08.59 | brlcad | or foolproof even |
| 17:09.03 | Thio | yes but it starts to be complicated because I would have to ask my players to get my version of the client and so on |
| 17:09.11 | brlcad | yep |
| 17:09.51 | brlcad | and again, it still wouldn't probably work very well in practice |
| 17:10.28 | Thio | ok so in the NetHandler class of bz there no way to trace back the actual IP or a unique information on the player independently of a tunnel or not ? |
| 17:16.30 | brlcad | nothing trivial comes to mind |
| 17:16.54 | trepan | mandatory local registration + callsign might be easiest in your case, esp. if you disable /register and do it via emails to avoid multi-nicks |
| 17:16.56 | brlcad | and there's nothing there about the "actual ip", because to bzfs that is their actual ip |
| 17:18.19 | brlcad | running bzfs on port 6000 or some other availble port and turning off port-forwarding on the server's sshd would also probably help |
| 17:19.05 | Thio | ok.... |
| 17:19.14 | Thio | thanks all :) |
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| 17:41.59 | gsnedders | such a rubbish lot of people on viper's... |
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| 18:35.07 | JeffM2501 | thanks for the 'e' bryjen :) |
| 18:35.38 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:35.38 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: constructor for server side players (may the gods have mercy on me ) |
| 18:35.39 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: they are incomplete, so shoudl not be used for anythign real. |
| 18:35.39 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: consoldate more bzfs code into common functions ( game on check, player creation, etc.. ) |
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| 18:46.57 | CBG | JeffM2501: ping. |
| 18:47.00 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 18:47.20 | CBG | Can you clear all the crap out of http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3798 please? |
| 18:47.39 | JeffM2501 | how did it get filled with crap? |
| 18:47.40 | CBG | If people need help with stuff, they need to make their own topics. My post should just be a resource of links, imho. |
| 18:47.58 | CBG | Maybe crap was a bad choice of word(s?). |
| 18:50.05 | JeffM2501 | perhaps if your thread was named a more accurate name |
| 18:50.14 | CBG | JeffM2501: besides, most of the stuff there is old and resolved. I don't think we need to keep those posts in there, do we? |
| 18:50.24 | JeffM2501 | "we" |
| 18:50.26 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 18:50.53 | CBG | Yes, as a community... |
| 18:51.26 | CBG | But, whatever, I just think it would be better to remove all the replies and have people start new posts for their queries. |
| 18:52.05 | JeffM2501 | your post is not instructions on HOW to do anything |
| 18:52.12 | JeffM2501 | it is a list of links to other works |
| 18:52.28 | CBG | Yes... A general list of links. |
| 18:52.41 | JeffM2501 | I can see why people would post more info in the thread |
| 18:52.46 | JeffM2501 | since it said it was help |
| 18:52.50 | CBG | So *I* think its innappropriate for folks to post their specific problems at that topic. |
| 18:52.57 | JeffM2501 | no it wasn't |
| 18:53.01 | JeffM2501 | since the thread was about help |
| 18:53.04 | JeffM2501 | and they had questions |
| 18:53.07 | JeffM2501 | but it has been fixed |
| 18:53.13 | CBG | Thank you. :) |
| 18:53.29 | JeffM2501 | please try to name your threads better in the future |
| 18:53.41 | CBG | Heh, ok. |
| 18:55.39 | sniperyyd | hey CBG |
| 18:55.40 | sniperyyd | :) |
| 18:55.53 | CBG | Hello again... |
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| 18:57.03 | CBG | eww |
| 18:57.23 | sniperyyd | eww what? |
| 18:57.41 | sniperyyd | ;-) |
| 18:57.44 | CBG | brad2901... need I saw more? |
| 18:57.51 | JeffM2501 | be nice |
| 18:58.11 | sniperyyd | JeffM2501: to who are you talking? me or CBG ? |
| 18:58.23 | JeffM2501 | CBG |
| 18:58.29 | JeffM2501 | why have you done something wrong? |
| 18:58.41 | CBG | I'm _always_ nice. :P |
| 18:59.13 | sniperyyd | _I can see_ :P |
| 18:59.21 | CBG | ~lart sniperyyd |
| 18:59.56 | CBG | See? I'm _always_ nice. :P |
| 18:59.57 | sniperyyd | hey CBG . play with bots on #botpark ;) |
| 19:00.13 | CBG | Ja ja. |
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| 19:06.05 | JeffM2501 | probalby not the best day for CBG , just an FYI |
| 19:06.21 | CBG | o.O |
| 19:07.29 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:07.38 | JeffM2501 | should have been "best day for it, CBG |
| 19:07.48 | JeffM2501 | reads very difrent |
| 19:07.49 | CBG | I see. |
| 19:08.02 | JeffM2501 | what a difrence an it makes |
| 19:10.06 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, if I DON'T want a pllugin in the plugins dir to be made on each build, do I have to do anything special? |
| 19:11.31 | brlcad | don't add it to the SUBDIRS rule, add it to a DIST_SUBDIRS instead |
| 19:11.42 | brlcad | in the Makefile.am |
| 19:11.43 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 19:11.48 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 19:12.05 | brlcad | otherwise the same |
| 19:12.15 | JeffM2501 | don't want server side bots to be built right now |
| 19:12.16 | brlcad | and you could still cd to the plugin dir and make too |
| 19:12.24 | JeffM2501 | since they crash like nothing else |
| 19:21.41 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/ (7 files in 2 dirs): start of a server side bot plugin |
| 19:30.59 | ToughShooter | What means "autoreconf failed" from autogen.sh? Is that a bad thing? |
| 19:33.11 | ToughShooter | Also I get "configure: WARNING: no configuration information is in plugins" from configure |
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| 19:48.19 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/serverSideBotSample/README.txt: some notes about the bot |
| 19:48.23 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): it helps to actualy EXPORT the functions you want to use in a plugin |
| 19:59.37 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Is it still possible to built CVS HEAD on Mac OS X version 10.4.4 via switching into the checked-out dir from CVS and then doing "./autogen.sh;./configure --enable-debug;make"? I get no rule for target all in plug-ins dir. :/ |
| 20:06.11 | orange | found an interesting bug that can crash the client of everyone connected, if you have set privs |
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| 21:24.27 | TD-Linux | hmm... my 2.0 bzflag worked, but now it's broken again |
| 21:27.13 | TD-Linux | grr... broken again |
| 21:37.57 | brlcad | it happens |
| 21:38.27 | Tupone | brlcad: hi |
| 21:38.41 | brlcad | ciao |
| 21:38.47 | TD-Linux | argh.... a windows sdk header file has syntax errors :( |
| 21:39.09 | Tupone | TD-Linux: change nick :) |
| 21:39.33 | Tupone | ->TD-Windows |
| 21:39.36 | TD-Linux | Tupone: I did a long time ago, but switched it back... see if you can guess why ;) |
| 21:39.45 | TD-Linux | I do use Linux |
| 21:39.48 | TD-Linux | I prefer it over Windows |
| 21:40.09 | TD-Linux | problem is, my newest and capable-to-run-BZFlag computer's optical drive isn't supported by Linux |
| 21:40.14 | Tupone | I kicked out windows from my home |
| 21:40.29 | Tupone | what distro? |
| 21:40.31 | TD-Linux | it's 9 months old, so it's too cutting-edge to be supported by the kernel ;) |
| 21:41.09 | TD-Linux | I tried the latest kubuntu at the time |
| 21:41.22 | TD-Linux | Dapper Drake Flight CD 2 |
| 21:41.29 | TD-Linux | I also tried an older Knoppix |
| 21:41.34 | TD-Linux | (both live CDs) |
| 21:41.46 | Tupone | hmm, I wonder if gentoo works. you can try burning the minimal image and see if that works |
| 21:41.53 | TD-Linux | the BIOS is perfectly fine, it works up until the kernel tries to take over |
| 21:42.05 | TD-Linux | I looked... Gentoo dosen't have the newest kernel yet |
| 21:42.15 | Tupone | 2005.1 ? |
| 21:42.21 | TD-Linux | nope |
| 21:42.48 | Tupone | you need a custom installation disk then :/ |
| 21:42.59 | TD-Linux | the only one with any hope for me is 2.6.15 |
| 21:43.57 | TD-Linux | 2.6.16 will probably be needed, support for SATA ADAPI in 2.6.15 is supposed to be there, although I read that it dosen't work on some mailing list |
| 21:55.09 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B02562.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:07.28 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 22:07.28 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: local server player don't need DNS lookups and network kicks. |
| 22:07.29 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: add callback for newly added server players. |
| 22:12.26 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10admin/master-bans.txt: Public server abuse, teamkilling, language (teamkiller) |
| 22:28.50 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust130.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 22:32.29 | brlcad | heh, yay |
| 22:32.52 | TD-Linux | I can't seem to build 2.1 anymore, I get errors in winnt.h of the directx sdk |
| 22:34.18 | TD-Linux | 2.0 compiles fine, but dosen't run fine.... |
| 22:37.33 | *** join/#bzflag bz34 (n=51b29a6a@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:37.58 | Tupone | I wonder when indent rules will be respected in bzflag :/ |
| 22:40.01 | blast007 | Tupone: never? :) |
| 22:40.16 | Tupone | :( |
| 22:40.18 | Tupone | lol |
| 22:41.23 | TD-Linux | argh... now both 2.0 and 2.1 hate winnt.h |
| 22:41.29 | TD-Linux | must have gotten corrupted somehow |
| 22:45.14 | TD-Linux | talk about a streamlined PSDK installer, I tell it to reinstall and absoultuely no feedback till it is done 20 minutes later |
| 22:46.56 | *** join/#bzflag BeerPerson (i=karsten@sourcemage/wizard/pdpc.sustaining.BearPerson) |
| 22:51.35 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfsMessages.cxx): Flags hiding (from cheat) works even with identify flag now. |
| 22:55.35 | TD-Linux | Tupone: must you always ruin the fun? :P |
| 22:55.51 | Tupone | aww sorry |
| 22:55.52 | Tupone | :) |
| 22:56.03 | JeffM2501 | you like to cheat TD-Linux ? |
| 22:56.39 | TD-Linux | no, I was kidding |
| 22:57.08 | JeffM2501 | I see |
| 22:57.49 | TD-Linux | I don't know how the flag cheat works at all....' |
| 22:57.49 | JeffM2501 | yay only 450 more places to change :\ |
| 22:58.39 | TD-Linux | I'll admit that once when there was a cheat server running a while ago I did manage to get infinite flaps |
| 23:02.00 | JeffM2501 | did you now |
| 23:03.01 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/NEWS: Adding my changes (and t-s too) |
| 23:03.02 | TD-Linux | yup.... altough I never used it, because at that time I could only get compilation to work on Linux and this Linux computer is dreadfully slow |
| 23:03.34 | JeffM2501 | at least Tupone's changes don't make bzfs crash :) |
| 23:03.45 | blast007 | ;) |
| 23:03.54 | TD-Linux | the anti-cheat stuff is getting quite good |
| 23:03.55 | blast007 | but server-side bots will be awesome |
| 23:04.04 | JeffM2501 | if they work out right |
| 23:04.12 | JeffM2501 | and it's going to be a LOT of work |
| 23:04.17 | JeffM2501 | even more then just the hooks I fear |
| 23:04.28 | blast007 | right |
| 23:04.34 | TD-Linux | what about obstacle detection? |
| 23:04.40 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking there will be a library that plugins will use that includes the "game" stuff |
| 23:04.46 | JeffM2501 | that's what the lib will have to do |
| 23:04.53 | JeffM2501 | we have some detection with the API |
| 23:04.58 | JeffM2501 | like from the spawn code |
| 23:05.15 | JeffM2501 | but there is nothing on the server that reads the final world |
| 23:05.31 | JeffM2501 | unless I add an api for that as well |
| 23:05.47 | JeffM2501 | right now I just want the thing to login and not crash |
| 23:07.40 | TD-Linux | hmmm... reinstalled the psdk, but i still get all these winnt.h errors now |
| 23:08.24 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/serverSideBotSample/serverSideBotSample.cpp: warning on load that the plugin is like death warmed over |
| 23:10.23 | TD-Linux | I suppose you could use a bot tank as a trigger for a plugin event... someone shoots in a special spot, hits the bot tank, and triggers a bunch of sw's somewhere else |
| 23:10.31 | JeffM2501 | geting around the ban/kick/lookup code has been "fun" |
| 23:10.48 | JeffM2501 | tecincaly ye |
| 23:10.50 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:10.57 | JeffM2501 | the server side bots look just like players tho |
| 23:11.03 | JeffM2501 | you can't make them apear difrent |
| 23:11.13 | JeffM2501 | to the server they arn't even "robot" players |
| 23:11.24 | TD-Linux | I could stick a tele there and float the bot tank high in the sky next to a matching teleporter |
| 23:11.40 | JeffM2501 | you can't Float the bot tank |
| 23:11.48 | JeffM2501 | it foloows the same rules as a client |
| 23:11.56 | JeffM2501 | to the server it IS a client |
| 23:12.00 | JeffM2501 | just one with out a network socket |
| 23:15.52 | TD-Linux | why couldn't it float in the sky? I suppose it could sit on a box in the sky |
| 23:16.03 | JeffM2501 | hmm is it right that the message sent back when a player is rejected for a bad call sign is "Player has been banned" ? |
| 23:16.17 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, because it's a freaking palyer |
| 23:16.25 | JeffM2501 | can your player tank float in the sky? |
| 23:16.47 | JeffM2501 | the server side bot will hit the same cheat checks that a player does |
| 23:16.58 | JeffM2501 | the server can kick any bot |
| 23:17.03 | JeffM2501 | it just can't ban them |
| 23:17.28 | JeffM2501 | since if they didn't want it on the server, they shoudln't have loaded the plugin :0 |
| 23:17.30 | TD-Linux | will the bot send position and rotation info, or velocity? |
| 23:17.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:17.36 | JeffM2501 | it IS a player |
| 23:17.46 | JeffM2501 | it has to respond just like a client |
| 23:17.58 | JeffM2501 | they can even be idle kicked |
| 23:18.04 | TD-Linux | ok, so all the dead reckoning stuff? |
| 23:18.20 | JeffM2501 | how else would it work? |
| 23:18.21 | JeffM2501 | magic? |
| 23:19.18 | TD-Linux | ok.... I have it figured out now |
| 23:43.16 | TD-Linux | is this winnt.h problem with BZFlag? |
| 23:46.52 | JeffM2501 | and the error you get is? |
| 23:47.17 | TD-Linux | for every single source file, I get five errors: |
| 23:47.48 | TD-Linux | syntax error : missing ';' before identifier 'PVOID64' |
| 23:48.14 | TD-Linux | missing type specifier - int assumed. Note: C++ does not support default-int |
| 23:48.15 | JeffM2501 | you didn't get the windows 64 bit SDK did you? |
| 23:48.27 | TD-Linux | it worked up until today suddenly |
| 23:48.33 | JeffM2501 | what did you change? |
| 23:48.37 | TD-Linux | actually, a couple hours ago today |
| 23:48.40 | TD-Linux | I didn't change anything' |
| 23:48.45 | TD-Linux | just a cvs update to bzflag |
| 23:48.47 | JeffM2501 | software dosn't change itself |
| 23:48.49 | JeffM2501 | what version? |
| 23:48.54 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 or 2.1? |
| 23:48.57 | TD-Linux | both |
| 23:49.15 | JeffM2501 | roll back your cvs |
| 23:49.27 | TD-Linux | and I added the path to the directx sdk because it suddlenly couldn't find dinput.h and dsound.h |
| 23:49.47 | JeffM2501 | so you did change something |
| 23:49.50 | JeffM2501 | you changed a path |
| 23:49.54 | TD-Linux | but I reverted that and it still had the same problem |
| 23:50.01 | JeffM2501 | then you broke something else |
| 23:50.20 | *** join/#bzflag bz36 (n=502ab0d8@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:50.35 | TD-Linux | I reinstalled the psdk |
| 23:50.54 | TD-Linux | I did the 'normal' reinstall |
| 23:51.00 | TD-Linux | might try the complete one |
| 23:51.04 | JeffM2501 | then what you broke wasn't in the things you installed |
| 23:51.12 | JeffM2501 | it was probably a user seting |
| 23:51.19 | JeffM2501 | that isn't removed on reinstall |
| 23:51.28 | JeffM2501 | know your problem before you reinstall |
| 23:51.40 | bz36 | may i ask a question about the mac version of bzflag plz? |
| 23:51.45 | JeffM2501 | use a simpler app, see what you busted |
| 23:51.48 | JeffM2501 | bz36, sure |
| 23:52.07 | bz36 | firstly, is it self-contained or will it be installing files here and there and everywhere? |
| 23:52.22 | bz36 | i'd like to know how easy it will be to uninstall if necessar |
| 23:53.23 | JeffM2501 | there is no installer |
| 23:53.26 | JeffM2501 | it's all in the package |
| 23:53.27 | bz36 | in short: can i make sure everything goes under one deletable directory? |
| 23:53.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:53.41 | JeffM2501 | if you want to remove it, just throw away the .app |
| 23:53.52 | JeffM2501 | it reads all it's data from there |
| 23:53.54 | bz36 | the dmg file says drag this icon to the app folder |
| 23:53.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:54.04 | JeffM2501 | it's just a copy |
| 23:54.06 | JeffM2501 | no install |
| 23:54.11 | bz36 | oh.. |
| 23:54.11 | JeffM2501 | dosn't put anything into the system |
| 23:54.16 | bz36 | nice |
| 23:54.16 | TD-Linux | I tried GPx01 and exact same 5 errors |
| 23:54.33 | JeffM2501 | the only other files it will make will be a config file with your user settings |
| 23:54.39 | JeffM2501 | it'll do that in your application setings folder |
| 23:54.48 | JeffM2501 | in a bzflag folder |
| 23:54.55 | JeffM2501 | any personal data files it makes will be put there |
| 23:54.57 | bz36 | there will be a directory ~/.bzf also, as in linux? |
| 23:55.02 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, I meant like hello world |
| 23:55.14 | JeffM2501 | bz36, it won't be just like that |
| 23:55.21 | bz36 | ok. sounds good |
| 23:55.32 | JeffM2501 | but basicly it makes a folder in your app settings dir, for your user |
| 23:55.39 | JeffM2501 | it does it in the "apple way" |
| 23:55.59 | JeffM2501 | it's prety easy to clean up and remove |
| 23:56.03 | bz36 | ok. final question: does it require SDL or any extras off the OS X Tiger disks? |
| 23:56.05 | JeffM2501 | just the .app and that profile dir |
| 23:56.12 | JeffM2501 | it will need SDL |
| 23:56.16 | JeffM2501 | but I think it has it built in |
| 23:56.41 | bz36 | Sounds good again. You've been very helpful, thank you |
| 23:56.45 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 23:57.01 | bz36 | i bought my mac yesterday, so still learning how to do simple things |
| 23:57.18 | JeffM2501 | they are prety simple |
| 23:57.29 | JeffM2501 | what mac did you get? |
| 23:57.45 | bz36 | an intel imac |
| 23:57.48 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 23:57.56 | JeffM2501 | you using the DMG from the main website? |
| 23:58.02 | JeffM2501 | cus that's not a univeral app |
| 23:58.04 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: printf ("Hello World"); worked... /me looks for a simple windows app |
| 23:58.11 | bz36 | it'll run through rosetta fine? |
| 23:58.14 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:58.17 | JeffM2501 | it will probably crash |
| 23:58.21 | bz36 | oh.. |
| 23:58.24 | JeffM2501 | others have reported it dosnt' work |
| 23:58.33 | JeffM2501 | on the froums is an intell build |
| 23:58.36 | JeffM2501 | let me find the link |
| 23:59.11 | bz36 | i try compiling myself. i've done that under linux before, so hopefully not too taxing |
| 23:59.18 | bz36 | *i might try |
| 23:59.20 | JeffM2501 | it's "fun" under the mac |
| 23:59.35 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5405&start=50 |
| 23:59.43 | bz36 | thanks again |
| 23:59.46 | JeffM2501 | that has the post where somone posted there intel build |