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| 00:03.21 | NoGutsNoGlory | my group db still wont work |
| 00:03.27 | NoGutsNoGlory | when i put it in |
| 00:03.38 | NoGutsNoGlory | the server wont start |
| 00:03.49 | blast007 | any error? |
| 00:03.59 | NoGutsNoGlory | can i show it too you |
| 00:04.14 | NoGutsNoGlory | OMNIPOTENT:ALL |
| 00:04.14 | blast007 | i mean, does bzfs give any error message? |
| 00:04.48 | NoGutsNoGlory | hmmm |
| 00:05.02 | NoGutsNoGlory | its says that the application requested a timeout |
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| 01:45.53 | RPG_ | http://www.nata2.info/humor/pictures/americans.gif |
| 01:47.00 | BenUrban | still funny |
| 01:47.02 | BenUrban | lol |
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| 01:53.42 | TheRedBaron | brlcad Ping |
| 01:54.31 | orange | TheRedBaron: how's it going? |
| 01:54.42 | orange | with your server and all? |
| 01:57.32 | TheRedBaron | Orange: its still running :) |
| 01:57.43 | TheRedBaron | i'm just asking learner what ports i can use :) |
| 01:58.00 | orange | ah |
| 01:58.45 | TheRedBaron | and what I should do with the old 1.10 servers still running. |
| 02:01.29 | orange | you have 1.10 servers running? |
| 02:01.43 | TheRedBaron | dutchrai's old shellshock servers. |
| 02:01.58 | orange | oh, someone else does |
| 02:02.04 | orange | no need to stop them, is there? |
| 02:04.23 | TheRedBaron | orange: well they are using up ports, if thats of any consequence... |
| 02:04.41 | TheRedBaron | and I don't know if brlcad expects that of me, |
| 02:04.54 | orange | I can't speak for brlcad, but generally speaking ports are a dime a dozen |
| 02:05.43 | TheRedBaron | errr - I'm "taking over/maintaining" in dutchrai's place. I guess its just me, but I figured to "keep the place clean" |
| 02:06.10 | orange | well, yeah, maybe... some people still playing on 1.10 might miss them :-) |
| 02:07.27 | TheRedBaron | maybe :) |
| 02:15.27 | TheRedBaron | orange: what do I use to check which ports are in use? |
| 02:15.54 | TheRedBaron | err what command? |
| 02:17.59 | orange | netstat -an | grep LISTEN |
| 02:18.11 | orange | it's rough, but should give you an idea |
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| 02:19.16 | TheRedBaron | thankee |
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| 02:20.25 | AlliedArmour | ih |
| 02:20.27 | AlliedArmour | hi |
| 02:20.38 | AlliedArmour | jeff? |
| 02:20.52 | AlliedArmour | how many of you knew my problem? |
| 02:21.01 | TheRedBaron | orange: how is that different from netstat -la |
| 02:21.18 | TheRedBaron | just out of curiousity, so i can understand and learn |
| 02:21.29 | TheRedBaron | no, menotume didn't teach me that one :-P |
| 02:21.51 | AlliedArmour | is that the windows netstat you're talking about? |
| 02:22.03 | TheRedBaron | alliedArmour: nope BSD |
| 02:22.13 | AlliedArmour | hehe, k |
| 02:22.41 | AlliedArmour | does any of you have BSD? |
| 02:22.49 | orange | TheRedBaron: I have no idea what -l does |
| 02:23.11 | TheRedBaron | it brings back way more info that grep LISTEN does |
| 02:23.12 | orange | but -n says 'do not convert numbers to names' |
| 02:23.13 | trepan | 'man netstat' |
| 02:23.26 | orange | trepan, search in the man page didn't how it |
| 02:23.29 | orange | *show |
| 02:23.31 | TheRedBaron | ah -la brings back names |
| 02:23.50 | AlliedArmour | what's the diff between linux and bsd? |
| 02:25.05 | trepan | orange: odd. i prefer to stick to gnu tools |
| 02:25.32 | orange | trepan: well, yeah, except for the whole info thing |
| 02:25.51 | trepan | tried pinfo? |
| 02:25.59 | orange | no... command line? |
| 02:26.11 | trepan | pinfo - curses based lynx-style info browser |
| 02:26.18 | orange | oh glory be |
| 02:26.25 | orange | no emacs hell for me! |
| 02:26.37 | orange | it's a beautiful sight to see |
| 02:26.50 | orange | more karma for trepan, whee! |
| 02:26.53 | orange | ~trepan++ |
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| 02:28.00 | AlliedArmour | trepan, do you know what causes some meshes to allow OO free control/shooting inside them? |
| 02:28.24 | trepan | yes |
| 02:28.29 | AlliedArmour | ahh, what? |
| 02:28.34 | TheRedBaron | it will cost you ;) |
| 02:28.43 | AlliedArmour | it wwwwill?? *shudder* |
| 02:29.11 | AlliedArmour | cost me $$ or polys? |
| 02:30.50 | AlliedArmour | is it a fixable problem? |
| 02:31.15 | trepan | yes, but i don't deem it worth the energy to type out the possible solutions |
| 02:31.31 | AlliedArmour | oh, could you explain it maybe? |
| 02:31.41 | Thumper_ | AlliedArmour: that would be the typing part... |
| 02:31.44 | trepan | it can be remedied during the next protocol breakage (assuming the meshes are closed) |
| 02:31.54 | AlliedArmour | ah... |
| 02:32.08 | AlliedArmour | is it a BZbug or mesh bug? |
| 02:32.24 | trepan | neither |
| 02:32.43 | AlliedArmour | hmm, what then? |
| 02:33.25 | AlliedArmour | oh |
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| 02:34.41 | TheRedBaron | Orange: is it possible to FTP files from my machine to my dir with putty? |
| 02:34.42 | TheRedBaron | i got a FTP prompt |
| 02:35.36 | TheRedBaron | forget it. google... |
| 02:35.36 | Guu | I've never heard of it. google, TheRedBaron! |
| 02:35.48 | AlliedArmour | lol! |
| 02:36.05 | AlliedArmour | google = the answer to almost anything |
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| 03:06.41 | meacan | TheRedBaron: look at winscp :) |
| 03:11.26 | orange | hiya meacan :-) |
| 03:21.06 | TheRedBaron | thanks for the tip meacan :) |
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| 03:44.15 | Mr_Molez | bzflag has support to work with 2 monitors right ? |
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| 05:03.04 | SilentSwan | *sigh* i think my car stereo may be at least partially fried |
| 05:03.10 | A_Meteorite | hehe! |
| 05:03.24 | SilentSwan | stupid audi decided a good place for a cup holder was directly above the stereo |
| 05:03.28 | SilentSwan | well |
| 05:03.32 | A_Meteorite | oh... |
| 05:03.43 | SilentSwan | i had something in there... and i'd left it overnight... it froze, and when i heated up the car, it leaked |
| 05:03.50 | SilentSwan | now it skips all over the place |
| 05:03.50 | A_Meteorite | electronics + liquids = bad, very very bad |
| 05:03.55 | SilentSwan | indeed |
| 05:04.01 | SilentSwan | and of course, it's out of warranty |
| 05:04.17 | SilentSwan | hopefully it's ok, but i have a feeling i'll end up having it replaced |
| 05:04.20 | A_Meteorite | have you tried cleansing the lense? |
| 05:04.30 | A_Meteorite | *cleaning the lens |
| 05:04.30 | SilentSwan | not just the cd, the whole thing |
| 05:04.35 | A_Meteorite | yeah |
| 05:04.49 | SilentSwan | there's a "skip" button on the front panel that seems to have taken the most liquid |
| 05:04.51 | A_Meteorite | maybe there's something on the laser lens (or whatever they call them) |
| 05:04.53 | SilentSwan | and it sure skips |
| 05:05.05 | SilentSwan | no, it affects the radio, too... it won't stay on a station |
| 05:05.10 | A_Meteorite | lol!! |
| 05:05.17 | SilentSwan | unreal |
| 05:05.21 | A_Meteorite | then your radio is really fried ;) |
| 05:05.40 | A_Meteorite | you can pick up $100 radios... but then it's still the idea |
| 05:05.41 | SilentSwan | probably cost me about $500 to have it replaced |
| 05:05.45 | Mr_Molez | lesson learnt, never buy an audi :P |
| 05:05.45 | A_Meteorite | woah |
| 05:06.00 | SilentSwan | Mr_Molez you know, i complained about that stupid cup holder when i bought the car |
| 05:06.05 | SilentSwan | the new ones no longer have it there |
| 05:06.17 | SilentSwan | ah well |
| 05:06.20 | A_Meteorite | me to business rep.: "Why don't you make all your electronics waterproof?" |
| 05:06.36 | A_Meteorite | rep. to me: "So you have to replace them and pay us $$$." |
| 05:06.40 | A_Meteorite | ;) |
| 05:06.44 | SilentSwan | best i can do is not turn on the radio and hope it dries out. but it was coffee, and it's become rather sticky. |
| 05:06.57 | A_Meteorite | ewww |
| 05:06.58 | SilentSwan | not only that, but due to the bitter cold, it'll just freeze, then thaw again every time i get in the car |
| 05:07.18 | A_Meteorite | you can get a wipie and wipe all the controls off |
| 05:07.25 | SilentSwan | i'm going to try that in daylight |
| 05:07.31 | A_Meteorite | will get rid of the stickiness (or the majority of it) :) |
| 05:08.00 | SilentSwan | maybe i can blot out most of it and get lucky |
| 05:08.06 | A_Meteorite | yeah |
| 05:08.55 | SilentSwan | all i can say is "Dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit" |
| 05:08.56 | A_Meteorite | if your player is definitely messed up and your warranty is gone, you can try opening it up and clean the lens :) |
| 05:09.06 | SilentSwan | it doesn't look like it got to the cd player part |
| 05:09.14 | SilentSwan | just the buttons down the right side of it |
| 05:09.15 | A_Meteorite | but if the actual chips got fried, you're hopeless |
| 05:09.20 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 05:09.50 | SilentSwan | cannot imagine driving without music... nooooooooooo |
| 05:09.52 | A_Meteorite | well, if radio skips then some of the electronics are probably bad |
| 05:10.11 | A_Meteorite | you have cassette? |
| 05:10.13 | SilentSwan | no |
| 05:10.14 | SilentSwan | oh |
| 05:10.15 | SilentSwan | yes |
| 05:10.18 | SilentSwan | but i never use it |
| 05:10.23 | A_Meteorite | I would try it. :) |
| 05:10.27 | A_Meteorite | just for kicks |
| 05:10.37 | A_Meteorite | might narrow the problem down |
| 05:10.58 | SilentSwan | my guess is, the switch for the "skip" button has shorted out with liquid. so it keeps "skipping" |
| 05:11.10 | A_Meteorite | ahh |
| 05:11.28 | A_Meteorite | either that it's sticking because of the stickiness? |
| 05:11.30 | SilentSwan | i'll just try to clean it tomorrow and see if it'll dry out |
| 05:11.37 | SilentSwan | the button itself isn't stuck |
| 05:11.39 | A_Meteorite | like when your keyboard gets full of junk in it |
| 05:11.43 | A_Meteorite | ah |
| 05:12.12 | A_Meteorite | One Word: Radioshack |
| 05:12.17 | SilentSwan | baaahahaha |
| 05:12.19 | SilentSwan | right |
| 05:12.31 | A_Meteorite | if it's a sorta "standard" button you can get a replacement |
| 05:12.41 | SilentSwan | no, this thing isn't going to be standard anything |
| 05:12.44 | A_Meteorite | if it's not it will look out of place :P |
| 05:12.47 | A_Meteorite | hehe |
| 05:13.04 | SilentSwan | it's a damned expensive overpriced "sound system" (pft) ... Bose |
| 05:13.24 | SilentSwan | ok, anyone here using "xmms"? |
| 05:13.29 | A_Meteorite | no |
| 05:13.46 | Mr_Molez | ive used it b4 |
| 05:13.51 | orange | SilentSwan: I do sometimes |
| 05:13.59 | SilentSwan | trying to figure out why the playlist doesn't play things in order |
| 05:14.14 | SilentSwan | or rather, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't... |
| 05:14.47 | Mr_Molez | there should be options to play in different orders / random etc ? |
| 05:15.13 | SilentSwan | well, i perhaps stupidly interpreted that as a "shuffle" since it changes the position of the songs in the list, but they're stil in a numerical order |
| 05:15.25 | SilentSwan | so logic (haha) would have it that it would play from 1 sequentially |
| 05:15.39 | SilentSwan | but evidently the programmer wasn't using logic |
| 05:16.06 | Mr_Molez | xmms is so old and buggy etc,, xmms2 is in development :D |
| 05:16.23 | Mr_Molez | total rewrite from scratch cuz xmms is soo bad :P |
| 05:16.28 | SilentSwan | hmmm... in development... in other words, new and buggy? |
| 05:16.55 | SilentSwan | software is the best example of entropy - it never gets *fixed*, it just gets filled up with more crap :) |
| 05:16.59 | Mr_Molez | well, hopefully it wont be when its released |
| 05:17.04 | orange | I guess I don't have that version, mine always works as expected |
| 05:17.18 | SilentSwan | this is 1.2.10 |
| 05:18.50 | SilentSwan | well, any better music players? |
| 05:19.03 | Mr_Molez | yup |
| 05:19.07 | SilentSwan | such as? |
| 05:19.19 | Mr_Molez | xine with kaffeine gui.. or mplayer (gmplayer) :P |
| 05:19.26 | SilentSwan | hmmm |
| 05:19.30 | brlcad | itunes |
| 05:19.33 | SilentSwan | never thought of those as music players |
| 05:19.40 | A_Meteorite | going to get going, all, nice talking |
| 05:19.41 | Mr_Molez | i love kaffeine, well, not the latest version, its took bookmarks feature out, i hate it now |
| 05:19.45 | SilentSwan | brlcad i like itunes, but i doubt apple's going to port it to linux |
| 05:19.49 | Mr_Molez | A_Meteorite: cu :) |
| 05:19.51 | A_Meteorite | cya, and good luck SilentSwan :) |
| 05:19.51 | SilentSwan | bye A_Meteorite |
| 05:19.55 | SilentSwan | thanks |
| 05:20.28 | Mr_Molez | Kaffeine has a video visualisation thingy aswell for playing music, like xmp, i like that :P |
| 05:20.39 | Mr_Molez | *wmp |
| 05:21.16 | brlcad | http://www.petitiononline.com/itmslin/petition.html |
| 05:21.34 | SilentSwan | ah sweet... doubt it'll do any good though |
| 05:21.56 | brlcad | can't hurt to add your voice |
| 05:22.05 | SilentSwan | just did |
| 05:22.33 | SilentSwan | only 1888 signatures so far ;( |
| 05:22.42 | brlcad | http://www.gnome.org/projects/rhythmbox/ |
| 05:22.54 | SilentSwan | ugh |
| 05:22.55 | SilentSwan | gnome |
| 05:23.52 | brlcad | jeez, does nothing make you happy? |
| 05:23.58 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 05:25.35 | SilentSwan | i guess not. |
| 05:25.56 | SilentSwan | i'm a perfectionist.... not much i can do about that i guess |
| 05:26.14 | Mr_Molez | http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Main_Page |
| 05:26.22 | Mr_Molez | xmms2 if u like to live on the edge :) |
| 05:27.15 | brlcad | i wouldn't call it perfectionism myself |
| 05:27.31 | SilentSwan | hm |
| 05:27.35 | SilentSwan | and what would you call it? |
| 05:27.39 | SilentSwan | dare i ask.. |
| 05:27.54 | brlcad | more like a 'my cup is clearly more than half empty, the liquid isn't what I wanted, and the glass is scratched' |
| 05:28.48 | trepan | pessimism? |
| 05:28.48 | Mr_Molez | haha |
| 05:29.26 | brlcad | trepan: too subtle? |
| 05:29.36 | SilentSwan | no no, don't be so subtle, just say it |
| 05:29.56 | SilentSwan | i get the feeling you're dying to, so just get it overwith |
| 05:30.45 | trepan | brlcad: i almost missed it :) |
| 05:33.54 | SilentSwan | do you know what borderline personality disorder is? One of the major characteristics of that "disorder" is that one has a tendency to make everything in life as miserable as possible, and it becomes a big vicious circle. |
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| 05:34.34 | NelsonK | Hey anyone in here |
| 05:34.38 | Mr_Molez | yup |
| 05:34.41 | brlcad | nope |
| 05:34.46 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 05:34.52 | Mr_Molez | well, maybe |
| 05:34.56 | NelsonK | hey anyone know anything about omap |
| 05:35.06 | brlcad | nope |
| 05:35.12 | SilentSwan | anyway, since i do not even play this game anymore, i guess it's safe to say i don't belong here. probably never did to begin with, so... bye. |
| 05:35.22 | brlcad | such drama |
| 05:35.40 | Mr_Molez | oh my, was she upset, or ? |
| 05:35.51 | trepan | no more so then usual |
| 05:36.21 | NelsonK | ha haha |
| 05:36.42 | NelsonK | so do you know anything about the 330 |
| 05:37.34 | brlcad | there's enough things to be legitimately pissed off about in the world without needing to be disgruntled by every possible damnned thing around you too |
| 05:38.23 | brlcad | NelsonK: stop beating around the bush, please just ask your question or don't |
| 05:38.27 | NelsonK | its a omap processor |
| 05:38.52 | NelsonK | I was looking for any info on it because I am trying to build a linux port to the ixi ogo handheld |
| 05:40.11 | brlcad | a linux port of bz to the handheld? |
| 05:41.07 | brlcad | you'll have more issues working out the keybinding expectations from just a simple ui perspective, I'd imagine |
| 05:41.55 | orange | maybe some kind of tilting interface |
| 05:41.57 | orange | could be nice |
| 05:43.56 | brlcad | still, not technically a question yet either |
| 05:44.49 | brlcad | if it's "where can I find any info?" then of course google for the right terms :) |
| 05:44.52 | NelsonK | I was thinking of using opie environment but I am getting ahead of myself first I need to find some info on the 330 it is also the same porcessor used in the mpx220 |
| 05:45.17 | brlcad | the processor by itself isn't practical |
| 05:45.27 | brlcad | you would be porting to "some device" |
| 05:45.41 | brlcad | if even some embedded dev platform |
| 05:45.47 | brlcad | and most of those have dev kits |
| 05:46.37 | brlcad | worry about just the processor, unless you plan on making your own dev kit for any possible configuration or something, just isn't practical |
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| 05:53.58 | NelsonK | yeah but the problem I cant find any info on it anywhere |
| 05:54.30 | NelsonK | what I do know is it is currently running a nucleus based system |
| 06:02.22 | NelsonK | has anyone seen timriker?? |
| 06:03.21 | NelsonK | he was the one who actually pointed out to me that the 330 is similar the the 1710 |
| 06:04.00 | orange | ~seen timriker |
| 06:04.03 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 1d 5h 6m 3s ago, saying: 'same issue arise from time to time in hardware implementations.'. |
| 06:11.11 | bryjen | oh bother. |
| 06:12.42 | bryjen | thank you. |
| 06:12.50 | bryjen | and ewwwww, anyway |
| 06:13.14 | brlcad | :) |
| 06:14.52 | NelsonK | ha ha ha |
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| 12:40.15 | Birdie | hey grumblerrr |
| 12:41.11 | Grumbler | morn'in Birdie |
| 12:50.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (configure.ac src/bzflag/Makefile.am): |
| 12:50.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - added a ./configure check for the GLEW library |
| 12:50.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: (and added GLEWLIBS to the client build) |
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| 12:58.39 | yukon | Can anyone help me, my server will not show up on my lan anymore and if I use the start server it starts and shows in the list but says server not found if you try to connect |
| 13:01.27 | eXtreme | are you using the hostname? |
| 13:01.31 | eXtreme | :( |
| 13:02.02 | EbErT | to people who don't know about the stumble toolbar for firefox, you will really like it: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=138&application=firefox |
| 13:02.37 | EbErT | all u do is pick your favorite topics (lots of em) press stumble! and find them |
| 13:02.58 | brad2901 | or you could use google..? |
| 13:03.09 | EbErT | can find your own and add it to their website |
| 13:03.17 | EbErT | its random tho |
| 13:03.37 | EbErT | ya, u could use google, might not find the good ones like this page lets u |
| 13:04.04 | brad2901 | google usually returns the best results anyway |
| 13:04.53 | EbErT | try it brad :) |
| 13:05.10 | eXtreme | when I get home maybe |
| 13:05.18 | eXtreme | meacan: yes |
| 13:06.04 | EbErT | just a suggestion, don't need to diss it. Thought people were curious nowadays gosh |
| 13:06.25 | eXtreme | sorry, just don't personally like it |
| 13:06.52 | EbErT | its more for entertainment than finding something specific |
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| 14:10.42 | Grumbler | grumble, grumble, wireless routers.....grumble, grumble |
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| 16:40.40 | Thumper_ | trepan: ping |
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| 16:43.17 | Thumper_ | trepan: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGLEW |
| 16:44.20 | Thumper_ | maybe needs a check for the libglew library autogen/configure ? |
| 17:08.38 | Chestal | http://openwengo.com/ |
| 17:08.39 | Chestal | oopsa |
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| 17:45.17 | orange | would be nice to have a shift-f5 panel called custom that you could define with your own list of things to see |
| 17:48.23 | orange | or replace misc with it, but let the default be the same as misc |
| 17:57.48 | orange | referee? |
| 17:59.46 | Pimpinella | he asks brlcad regulary about the loggin framework... |
| 18:04.39 | Pimpinella | what was the key to call that stats screen? |
| 18:05.17 | orange | in-game? |
| 18:05.22 | Pimpinella | yeah |
| 18:05.25 | orange | home I think |
| 18:05.38 | orange | but it only has stats since you joined |
| 18:06.08 | Pimpinella | yep, was home |
| 18:06.11 | Pimpinella | sure |
| 18:06.38 | orange | with a better logging framework we could generate such things easily in web pages |
| 18:07.19 | Pimpinella | hmm, i remember someone was working on a logging framework... |
| 18:07.28 | Pimpinella | can't remember who... |
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| 18:08.36 | orange | hehe, stealthy move |
| 18:08.42 | orange | hi TimRiker |
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| 18:37.37 | brlcad | orange: seriously, the framework is perfectly geared towards filtering the various chat channels in-game |
| 18:37.58 | orange | yes, true |
| 18:38.42 | brlcad | now that I think about it, that was also another one of the reasons for having the ability to customize the formatting atoms on a per-message basis |
| 18:39.55 | brlcad | and since both are basically the same operation, filtering messages |
| 18:40.20 | brlcad | but you certainly/probably want more info in your logs that you want going to the in-game consoles |
| 18:40.32 | brlcad | e.g. seeing the timestamps in the game would be annoying ;) |
| 18:41.07 | brlcad | (to me at least) |
| 18:41.16 | orange | hmmm, to me that might be nice :-) |
| 18:41.33 | brlcad | Pimpinella: it is rising on the stack lately |
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| 18:43.02 | ToughShooter | http://bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress is also very outdated |
| 18:48.35 | trepan | Thumper_: guess the current ./configure GLEW check isn't working as I thought :) |
| 18:49.10 | brlcad | trepan: it was a good stab, though :) |
| 18:49.42 | brlcad | even if you followed suit with the other bz tests and don't actuallly perform a proper check for the header or the lib before trying the functionality test ;) |
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| 18:50.29 | trepan | the functionality test seems to be failing to check for the lib |
| 18:50.56 | trepan | AC_COMPILE_IFELSE instead? (i know not the silliness of ./configure macros) |
| 19:01.23 | trepan | heh, think it's something simpler ;) |
| 19:03.43 | Grumbler | have to agree with orange on that one brlcad ....timestamps, even just a relative time, is helpful |
| 19:04.45 | orange | Grumbler: that's the beauty of the logging framework brlcad is writing even as we speak... configurability for all :-) |
| 19:05.21 | Grumbler | yeah but you know that brlcad guy, you have to repeat your request like a hundred times before he actually does anything :) |
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| 19:06.26 | orange | in case anyone is thinking of getting married, here is the perfect wedding band: http://www.e-weddingbands.com/store/lordofrings.html |
| 19:07.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/configure.ac: show me the $ |
| 19:08.03 | Thumper_ | orange: is that a copyright symbol on the inside ? |
| 19:08.18 | orange | hehe, yes |
| 19:08.24 | orange | and the ring is wrong, to top it all off |
| 19:08.41 | Thumper_ | blech. |
| 19:08.44 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 19:09.22 | orange | "I love you so much, dear, here is a replica ring representing everything evil in the world" |
| 19:11.20 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:21.31 | trepan | brlcad: that should fix it? =) |
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| 20:03.54 | brlcad | Grumbler: no no.. |
| 20:04.06 | brlcad | only 128 times |
| 20:04.21 | brlcad | unless i'm feeling unsigned |
| 20:05.40 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 20:05.58 | brlcad | trepan: very likely ;) |
| 20:07.27 | brlcad | though portability scripting dictates prevention of syntax errors if glew_check were unset by adding content (since sh doesn't understand "" .. it's equivalent to nothing) |
| 20:07.41 | brlcad | but hey, if it works it works |
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| 20:23.42 | Grumbler | ah, brlcad must be paged |
| 20:24.03 | brlcad | layers like parfait |
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| 20:38.11 | Ice_Wewe | quesiton |
| 20:39.07 | Ice_Wewe | what would I have to do, if I wanted to write a script to make my BZFlag get its self, and make its self... how would you handle the password that CVS needs? Also, what would the code be to have it output a message when it fails to retrieve....... |
| 20:45.07 | Grumbler | learn a language |
| 20:45.20 | Tupone | expect |
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| 20:52.42 | brlcad | careful shell scripting |
| 20:55.16 | orange | ugh |
| 20:56.16 | SilverFox | heh.. the funny thing is, they work great. |
| 20:56.22 | SilverFox | Just a pain for anyone else to work on them. |
| 20:56.28 | ToughShooter | funny thing is not all OS have a shell (though BZFlag needs one, AFAIK) ;) |
| 20:57.03 | SilverFox | speaking of no shell... What ever happened to the bzflag console project? |
| 20:57.40 | ToughShooter | it seems like it never got really started |
| 20:59.19 | SilverFox | thats too bad. |
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| 20:59.50 | SilverFox | Should probably be third-partied out to make it a commercial product (and therefor more viable) |
| 20:59.57 | blast007 | that was their plan |
| 21:00.04 | blast007 | but the problem was getting licensed |
| 21:00.08 | SilverFox | who is "they" |
| 21:00.43 | blast007 | I can't see it being sold, since what happens when a new protocol is released? they can't play anymore? |
| 21:01.03 | Workaphobia | uh, wasn't that an april fool's joke? |
| 21:01.12 | blast007 | that the SF project |
| 21:01.13 | ToughShooter | I wish there would be a console out running an open source OS and allowing everyone to make a game easily |
| 21:01.16 | blast007 | not the* |
| 21:01.24 | SilverFox | well, it'd have to be a fork, and protocol wouldn't change until a new major was released (and sold) |
| 21:01.51 | blast007 | supposedly the PS3 will be able to run linux natively, so maybe then we can get a console version |
| 21:02.05 | SilverFox | I'd like to see a "linux" console that would allow you to easily select game packages online to download and play. |
| 21:02.12 | SilverFox | that'd be cool. |
| 21:02.34 | blast007 | well, does the XBox 360 have a GL implementation? |
| 21:03.01 | blast007 | I haven't even checked what all it can do |
| 21:03.07 | ToughShooter | blast007: the question is whether linux is installed by default or whether the users have to do stuff like on the original xbox |
| 21:03.07 | blast007 | ..besides overheat ;) |
| 21:03.40 | blast007 | it won't be default with the PS3, in fact the hard drive isn't even supposed to be default |
| 21:05.08 | blast007 | http://ps3.ign.com/articles/624/624046p1.html |
| 21:06.19 | brlcad | ToughShooter: I'm not sure there's an OS out there that BZ actually supports that doesn't have a shell.. you have one in mind? |
| 21:06.34 | blast007 | http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2004Jul/bga20040728026203.htm |
| 21:06.48 | brlcad | only one I can think of is old Mac, pre OS X -- but that's specifically not supported |
| 21:07.20 | brlcad | or various embedded OS and custom hardware |
| 21:07.27 | ToughShooter | brlcad: To cite myself: "though BZFlag needs one, AFAIK", which was related to having shell |
| 21:08.18 | brlcad | i know, i'm just wonder which OS you had in mind |
| 21:08.49 | ToughShooter | I thought about Mac OS, which sucked compared to Mac OS X |
| 21:09.42 | brlcad | that it did, though even on old Mac, we could run bzfs and get reasonable behavior -- at least through an MPW build |
| 21:09.54 | brlcad | dumps out stdout and stderr files, humorously |
| 21:10.09 | ToughShooter | Wow |
| 21:11.01 | brlcad | just wouldn't be able to run bzadmin, without some sort of pdcurses/terminal/console since it really does rely on interactive console |
| 21:12.23 | gsnedders | what about the client itself? |
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| 21:12.41 | brlcad | runs just fine, no reliance on console at all |
| 21:12.55 | DTRemenak | windows does not have a real shell |
| 21:12.56 | brlcad | even on Mac OS X, you don't drop to console to run it, you just double-clicky |
| 21:13.18 | brlcad | hey, don't pick on the little guy ;) |
| 21:13.23 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 21:13.30 | gsnedders | well, unless you want command line options when starting it :) |
| 21:13.54 | ToughShooter | Interesting that it actually worked. I never understood MPW, I even had probs to get some BZFlag Version around 2.0.2 compiling with gcc-4 and I only had to remove some ';''s. |
| 21:14.03 | brlcad | pretty much all options can be set in-game now |
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| 21:14.43 | gsnedders | -echo and things can't |
| 21:15.08 | gsnedders | what does -anonymous do? |
| 21:15.13 | brlcad | ah, true, echo is still an issue |
| 21:15.19 | ToughShooter | I know one who has a little ibook with a 30MHZ PPC750 and a ATI Rage with 4MB RAM, could a BZFlag built actually run on it? :o |
| 21:15.29 | DTRemenak | iirc echo doesn't work on windows either... |
| 21:15.32 | brlcad | though that's inherintly a console option of sorts |
| 21:16.06 | brlcad | ToughShooter: that'd be fairly tough -- maybe with all the settings turned down |
| 21:16.13 | JeffM2501 | we could make bzflag bring up a console |
| 21:16.14 | DTRemenak | 320x200 |
| 21:16.20 | JeffM2501 | there is a way IIRC |
| 21:16.24 | brlcad | yeah, and a smaller resolution |
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| 21:16.32 | gsnedders | i couldn't get it running on a 600mhz g4/ ati rage 128 16mb |
| 21:16.56 | brlcad | the 4mb texture loading will be the bigger issue, and the old ati rage |
| 21:17.02 | DTRemenak | gsnedders, other people have on effectively the same hardware |
| 21:17.08 | brlcad | default options ask for opengl options that sucker doesn't support |
| 21:17.35 | brlcad | gsnedders|bz: I've run it on said hardware before, no problems |
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| 21:32.11 | blast007 | DTRemenak: -echo works only if you redirect to a file |
| 21:32.22 | DTRemenak | blast007, I consider that not working ;) |
| 21:32.26 | blast007 | ;) |
| 21:32.50 | blast007 | it goes right back to a prompt after the client loads |
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| 22:14.09 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/shadowmap.jpg , still pretty rough |
| 22:15.12 | JeffM2501 | nice |
| 22:15.26 | JeffM2501 | shaders? or multi pass stencel? |
| 22:15.37 | trepan | shadowmap |
| 22:15.44 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:15.50 | JeffM2501 | how often is it updated? |
| 22:15.59 | trepan | everyframe |
| 22:16.09 | JeffM2501 | so no a lightmap |
| 22:16.42 | JeffM2501 | what is the shadow map stored in? |
| 22:17.21 | trepan | render from light's view into a depth texture, the check distance vs. mapped point from normal view |
| 22:18.02 | brlcad | i.e. more ways to burn up texture memory to make things look purdy ;) |
| 22:18.11 | trepan | after seeing the result, i'm tempted go with shadow volumes again |
| 22:18.25 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, lightmaps could do that to |
| 22:18.32 | JeffM2501 | tho they are more static |
| 22:18.41 | brlcad | yep |
| 22:18.53 | JeffM2501 | but you can do radiosity prepas on em :) |
| 22:18.58 | JeffM2501 | then it'd look wicked purdy |
| 22:19.50 | trepan | normap/height maps for parallax/relief mapping, those are purdy :) |
| 22:19.52 | brlcad | shadowmaps are nice since they are an image-based technique, no clipping or edge detecting |
| 22:20.13 | JeffM2501 | volumes get tricky when you get in side one |
| 22:20.33 | trepan | there's a way around that |
| 22:20.51 | brlcad | basically rendering the projection of any geometry to the texture and using it as a blending filter |
| 22:21.37 | brlcad | trepan: how much memory did you gobble up for that pic? |
| 22:21.39 | trepan | all kinds of aliasing/granularity probs though |
| 22:21.49 | brlcad | that's why i'm wondering ;) |
| 22:22.24 | brlcad | could maybe jitter the projection slightly |
| 22:22.39 | brlcad | for aliasing at least |
| 22:23.03 | trepan | brlcad: polygon offset |
| 22:24.59 | trepan | the lightspace mapping is also key, more detail close up, etc... |
| 22:28.11 | orange | anybody ever considered or written a patch for bzfs to allow m4 config files? |
| 22:28.44 | brlcad | ack |
| 22:28.50 | brlcad | what crazy talk are you blathering? |
| 22:28.54 | brlcad | m4?? |
| 22:29.17 | orange | m4 is nice for config files |
| 22:29.34 | brlcad | i'd take bloated xml over m4 |
| 22:29.50 | orange | xml doesn't allow you to create macros with parameters though |
| 22:29.53 | brlcad | and i'm not too fond of xml for that stuff either :) |
| 22:29.56 | JeffM2501 | what's wrong with the current format? |
| 22:30.14 | orange | JeffM2501: unless I'm mistaken, the current format doesn't allow you to include other files/macros |
| 22:30.24 | JeffM2501 | what config are you talking about |
| 22:30.29 | JeffM2501 | client or server? |
| 22:30.31 | orange | server |
| 22:30.34 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 22:30.42 | JeffM2501 | all that does is shove things into the command line parser |
| 22:30.47 | JeffM2501 | so it's just a list |
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| 22:30.56 | JeffM2501 | the command line parser dosn't support much else |
| 22:31.11 | orange | but it can read from a file |
| 22:31.12 | JeffM2501 | how much macro support do you need in there? |
| 22:31.26 | orange | if you're running multiple servers with lots of common stuff, m4 makes a lot of sense |
| 22:31.27 | brlcad | if macros are what's needed |
| 22:31.31 | brlcad | i'd say go with cpp |
| 22:31.35 | JeffM2501 | why not just make a python script that does what you want then calls bzflag |
| 22:31.40 | brlcad | that's easy to embed or even reimplement |
| 22:31.50 | blast007 | can you include multiple config files with one bzfs statement? |
| 22:31.51 | brlcad | so then you can #include #define, #ifdef, etc |
| 22:32.00 | orange | cpp allows macros with parameters? |
| 22:32.03 | orange | oh |
| 22:32.04 | brlcad | sure |
| 22:32.04 | JeffM2501 | by the time it gets to the command parser it has to be a list anyways |
| 22:32.10 | JeffM2501 | why not do it external |
| 22:32.29 | orange | JeffM2501: several programs just allow an option to parse the incoming config file with m4... I was just asking :-) |
| 22:32.47 | JeffM2501 | and I'm just responding :) |
| 22:33.16 | orange | well, technically nobody answered my first question? :-) |
| 22:33.18 | JeffM2501 | seems to me, this is what scripting languages in the shell are designed for |
| 22:33.37 | JeffM2501 | I don't think anyone has considered it |
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| 23:02.47 | Tupone | ToughShooter: ping |
| 23:03.17 | ToughShooter | Tupone: pong |
| 23:03.41 | Tupone | I pinged my server and gives 97 msec |
| 23:03.51 | Tupone | I measure lagstat and give me 100 |
| 23:04.00 | ToughShooter | hmm |
| 23:04.03 | Tupone | I don't think there is appreciable lag |
| 23:04.10 | ToughShooter | different to my setup |
| 23:04.24 | Tupone | would you mind trying my server |
| 23:04.29 | ToughShooter | it's really more than I got before |
| 23:05.06 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Umm, I wanted to go to bed but I think I can stay up half an hour more |
| 23:05.10 | ToughShooter | so ok |
| 23:05.12 | Tupone | lol |
| 23:05.15 | Tupone | yep |
| 23:05.21 | Tupone | linuxclub.dyndns.org |
| 23:05.36 | ToughShooter | my eyes are going to close, I'll use matches for that |
| 23:06.19 | Tupone | hehe |
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| 23:19.00 | Tupone | ToughShooter: I don't see any changes in my lag :/ |
| 23:19.38 | Tupone | have you strange MTU for the network interfaces (strange -> a bit low sized) |
| 23:20.02 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I think later today I can show you my difference on my server |
| 23:20.24 | ToughShooter | MTU is the maximum size for PPPoE |
| 23:20.35 | Tupone | 1500 ? |
| 23:20.50 | Tupone | tracepatch should say the value |
| 23:21.08 | ToughShooter | I have no tracepatch or tracepath |
| 23:21.55 | Tupone | :( how can you know what route can make a packet? |
| 23:22.10 | ToughShooter | traceroute |
| 23:22.32 | Tupone | and traceroute does not says the time and mtu? |
| 23:23.00 | ToughShooter | it says time and packet size by default |
| 23:23.11 | Tupone | and packetsize is ? |
| 23:23.33 | ToughShooter | 40 bytes |
| 23:23.55 | Tupone | that should be the ICMP packet size |
| 23:24.31 | ToughShooter | I should do fragmentation tests |
| 23:24.34 | Tupone | well, I'm just asking ... if the bzfs packaet size exceed the MTU of the path, the packet will be fragmented |
| 23:24.45 | Tupone | and you get some lag |
| 23:24.48 | ToughShooter | but I think it was around 1492 |
| 23:25.20 | Tupone | if it is near those value there is no problem I guess |
| 23:26.00 | Tupone | you could go sleep :) |
| 23:26.03 | ToughShooter | I should re-test to make sure I'm not imagining this |
| 23:27.27 | Tupone | I remember some weeks ago I made buffering in bzflag, so if your problem is of 1 month or 2 could be |
| 23:27.36 | Tupone | s/of/from/ |
| 23:30.37 | ToughShooter | You're not knowing all the problems I have when running bzfs on my box locally and access it via adress localhost. One point is that I'm always jittery on my installations, regardless of machine power |
| 23:31.10 | ToughShooter | I've always to renice some processes to eliminate the jitter |
| 23:31.32 | Tupone | hmm, both application are fighting for the CPU |
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| 23:32.12 | Tupone | bzfs should be given priority |
| 23:32.31 | ToughShooter | nothing is given priority, it's a dogfight |
| 23:32.51 | Tupone | but you could nice bzflag in favor of bzfs |
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| 23:33.04 | ToughShooter | that doesn't work |
| 23:33.17 | Tupone | or negative nice bzfs |
| 23:33.19 | ToughShooter | I have to reduce the nice value of bzfs |
| 23:33.39 | ToughShooter | and I don't make bzfs too mean because then the jitter comes back again |
| 23:33.50 | brlcad | bzfs shouldn't be using much/any cpu, but is undoubtedly being starved by bzflag |
| 23:34.23 | Tupone | ToughShooter: did you configure without plugin I hope |
| 23:34.36 | ToughShooter | Tupone: sure, I don't need them |
| 23:34.49 | brlcad | ToughShooter: turning on the energy saver option should help |
| 23:34.59 | brlcad | the frame limiting should make there be more than enough cpu for both |
| 23:35.02 | ToughShooter | brlcad: it gets too jittery then |
| 23:35.14 | ToughShooter | well, not jittery in lagstats but in HUD and radar |
| 23:35.34 | Tupone | what is your FPS without any limiter ? |
| 23:35.57 | brlcad | what's the framerate default limit currently set to too? |
| 23:36.03 | ToughShooter | at native resolution between 91 and 200 depending on map |
| 23:36.25 | brlcad | should be 50 |
| 23:36.36 | ToughShooter | with vysnc on my driver limits to 60FPS and that looks jittery |
| 23:36.36 | brlcad | 50fps should not really be jumpy |
| 23:36.40 | Tupone | buy a dual processor :) |
| 23:37.19 | ToughShooter | and fpsLimit at that value looks equally jittery |
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| 23:37.56 | ToughShooter | but my eyelids are about to brake the matches :/ |
| 23:38.13 | bz7981 | HI |
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| 23:38.35 | Tupone | nite :) |
| 23:38.36 | brlcad | i wonder if it was visually jittery or whether input was jittery |
| 23:38.57 | brlcad | it "shouldn't" be visually jittery at that rate |
| 23:39.29 | Tupone | I think it is not continuous |
| 23:39.43 | brlcad | but with inputs getting throttled slightly, at least compared to non-throttled framerate frequencies, I could imagine it "feeling" jittery to some small extent |
| 23:40.04 | Tupone | so sometime he take 18 msec and sometime 22 :/ |
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| 23:55.40 | Rounin | Hi... Is there any way to get bzflag to save the option to disable UDP? |
| 23:55.51 | Rounin | It's turned off in the client and in the config file, but it's ignored on every restart |
| 23:56.26 | Rounin | And I suspect the UDP traffic might have gotten me temporarily banned from my university network earlier today |
| 23:57.23 | blast007 | and turning off UDP will increase laggyness |
| 23:57.37 | Rounin | Well, I got an email from them saying "My PC was infected by some kind of botnet" |
| 23:57.45 | Rounin | Their support personnel told me it could work on both Windows and Linux |
| 23:57.46 | blast007 | heh |
| 23:57.53 | Rounin | Just to give you an idea of the level of expertise |
| 23:58.31 | Rounin | Perhaps I should put it off until I get a reply from them |
| 23:58.45 | Rounin | I could have had some sort of weird Linux trojan I suppose |
| 23:58.47 | blast007 | is playing games allowed on their network? |
| 23:58.51 | Rounin | Oh yes |
| 23:59.01 | Rounin | Though it's not encouraged as such |
