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| 00:02.32 | Anomymous | on BZFlag the colors are wrong on linux but are fine on windows |
| 00:34.15 | Chestal | someone familair with the NaN changes? |
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| 00:44.20 | trepan | Chestal: prob? |
| 00:44.49 | Chestal | there are some more cases where a==a is performed to check for NaN |
| 00:45.10 | Chestal | does the std::isnan work everywhere when cmath is included? |
| 00:45.14 | trepan | i have changes that i can't yet commit |
| 00:45.26 | trepan | playing.cxx for example |
| 00:45.39 | Chestal | current CVS fails to draw anythgn for me because of the NaN check in SceneRenderer for _distCulling |
| 00:46.08 | trepan | ah, another spot for std::isnan() then |
| 00:46.16 | Chestal | the check does not work, so CullDistance is set to NaN |
| 00:46.23 | Chestal | yes, and one in playing.cxx, the fpsLimit |
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| 00:47.01 | trepan | they're both in playing.cxx here ;) |
| 00:47.15 | Chestal | so, shall I commit or wait for you? |
| 00:47.34 | Chestal | with those change(s) I can again see buildings :-) |
| 00:47.50 | trepan | might as well wait, i've moved the far plane culling over to playing.cxx so that the clip frustum is actually adjusted |
| 00:47.52 | Chestal | I guess it is -ffast-math which breaks the a==a NaN check |
| 00:48.26 | Chestal | I guess someone has tried the isnan on Windows? |
| 00:52.49 | JeffM2501 | "The _isnan function tests a given double-precision floating-point value x, returning a nonzero value if x is a not a number (NAN). A NAN is generated when the result of a floating-point operation cannot be represented in Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) format. For information about how a NAN is represented for output, see printf. |
| 00:52.50 | JeffM2501 | " |
| 00:52.52 | JeffM2501 | from msdn |
| 00:53.22 | trepan | std::isnan() |
| 00:53.38 | Chestal | JeffM2501: have you tried current v2_0branch? does it compile? |
| 00:53.55 | JeffM2501 | let me see |
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| 00:55.47 | CBG | SportChick: ping? |
| 00:59.05 | CBG | Is _anyone_ here? :) |
| 00:59.05 | JeffM2501 | any place it would have horked at ? |
| 00:59.15 | CBG | hmm, thats my answer. |
| 00:59.21 | JeffM2501 | it's up to client |
| 00:59.34 | JeffM2501 | and whump there it is |
| 00:59.42 | JeffM2501 | using ::log10f; using ::modff; using ::powf; |
| 00:59.46 | JeffM2501 | c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003\Vc7\include\cmath(31) : error C2589: '(' : illegal token on right side of '::' |
| 01:00.21 | trepan | heh, we've killed <cmath>? =) |
| 01:00.21 | JeffM2501 | also a syntax error on it |
| 01:00.37 | CBG | JeffM2501: Did SC suggest "multiple client configs" to you? |
| 01:00.46 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:00.53 | JeffM2501 | why would somone need them? |
| 01:01.20 | CBG | Then I will, The idea is that you can set up your conf/options how you like, then save, then do it all again so you have more than one set and you can swicth between them |
| 01:01.20 | trepan | CBG: bzflag -config and -configdir |
| 01:01.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:01.31 | CBG | ntrapan: without running the command line., |
| 01:01.32 | JeffM2501 | and you can do it with those options right now |
| 01:01.42 | JeffM2501 | CBG, put them in difrent shortcuts |
| 01:01.50 | CBG | The average user doesn't know what a command line is. |
| 01:01.57 | JeffM2501 | why would anyone ever want to swap between them? |
| 01:02.03 | JeffM2501 | if you like them keep them |
| 01:02.05 | CBG | For different game styles |
| 01:02.11 | CBG | Ducati vs GU, for example. |
| 01:02.27 | JeffM2501 | use the shortcut method then |
| 01:02.30 | JeffM2501 | I don't think many will do that |
| 01:02.38 | CBG | Trepans methon? |
| 01:02.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:02.42 | CBG | method* |
| 01:02.51 | JeffM2501 | put the command line stuff in a shortcut target |
| 01:03.01 | JeffM2501 | then you have an ckicly thing for each one |
| 01:03.02 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03chestal 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/GUIOptionsMenu.cxx: fix underline color menu option |
| 01:03.02 | CBG | Ok, I think *I* will, but if others want to do it... |
| 01:03.16 | JeffM2501 | CBG, you are on a mac, you don't have shortcuts :) |
| 01:03.26 | CBG | It would also be cool to have it as an in-game option so you dont need to quit and restart bzflag. |
| 01:03.44 | CBG | Ok, I think *I* will use trepans method. |
| 01:03.45 | JeffM2501 | it would also be nice if there was a key to order chinnese food in game |
| 01:03.55 | CBG | JeffM2501: Just a suggestion... :) |
| 01:04.12 | JeffM2501 | you are telling me people redo all there settings for difrent game types? |
| 01:04.15 | JeffM2501 | what do they change? |
| 01:04.20 | CBG | They don't. |
| 01:04.21 | JeffM2501 | it's not like there are that many controlls |
| 01:04.26 | JeffM2501 | why would they want to? |
| 01:04.29 | JeffM2501 | what would they change |
| 01:04.37 | JeffM2501 | if they change stuff then that means there is a problem |
| 01:04.47 | CBG | But i believe the serious gamers would like to be able to do it without losing their old settings completely and with minimum hassle. |
| 01:04.58 | JeffM2501 | again,WHAT do they change? |
| 01:05.00 | JeffM2501 | key mapings? |
| 01:05.05 | JeffM2501 | graphic settins? |
| 01:05.13 | CBG | key settings |
| 01:05.17 | CBG | gui stuff, etc. |
| 01:05.29 | JeffM2501 | so that means our settup isn' t good engouh for all games |
| 01:05.39 | JeffM2501 | I'd be more interested in finding out why it dosn't work for all game types |
| 01:05.43 | CBG | for example, I find the shot counter often gets in the way, but I need it if the server has 4 or more shots. |
| 01:05.44 | JeffM2501 | and redoing the keys/interface then |
| 01:05.55 | CBG | so I would turn it off for ducati and gu but on for mofo and secretplace. |
| 01:06.12 | JeffM2501 | the shot counter is lame |
| 01:06.17 | JeffM2501 | it needs a redux |
| 01:06.21 | JeffM2501 | it's a great idea |
| 01:06.27 | blast007 | ah, yeah, many games have user profiles |
| 01:06.28 | JeffM2501 | just not good graphincaly |
| 01:06.32 | CBG | I would also like it to have a slider for shit-counter transparency... :P |
| 01:06.34 | JeffM2501 | for keys yes |
| 01:06.43 | blast007 | er, helps if I scroll down before replying to something ;D |
| 01:06.48 | JeffM2501 | and that is often to get around difrent users |
| 01:07.02 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather make them use a multi user OS :) |
| 01:07.20 | JeffM2501 | CBG, rather then just add the feature, it's better to find out what the exact problem is |
| 01:07.24 | CBG | It would basically be like trepan said with the command line change, but it would be possibe IN-game where you can choose a conf out of a conf dir. |
| 01:07.26 | JeffM2501 | and then make sure it's the best solution for it |
| 01:07.48 | JeffM2501 | CBG, the config is tied into bzdb, it would NOT be clean on the back end |
| 01:07.49 | CBG | Ok. |
| 01:08.11 | JeffM2501 | the user interface of a feature is such a very small part of a feature |
| 01:08.23 | CBG | Exactly what I thought. |
| 01:08.36 | CBG | It is already possible, just not "in-game"... |
| 01:08.48 | JeffM2501 | then why did you say it would be just like trepaans sugestion "ust in game" when that is just the interface part of it, not the guts |
| 01:09.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah the "in game part" is the hard part |
| 01:09.04 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it's a good way to do it |
| 01:09.09 | CBG | Ok, fine. |
| 01:09.10 | JeffM2501 | some settings you DON'T want to change |
| 01:09.14 | JeffM2501 | like res |
| 01:09.16 | JeffM2501 | graphics |
| 01:09.16 | CBG | Like I said: just a suggestion. |
| 01:09.26 | JeffM2501 | and I'm just discussing your sugestion |
| 01:09.48 | CBG | sounds like you don't want to hear it. :) |
| 01:09.54 | JeffM2501 | did I ever say that? |
| 01:10.08 | CBG | did I say you said it? |
| 01:10.10 | JeffM2501 | any idea has to be strong enough to stand up to criticism |
| 01:10.19 | JeffM2501 | yes, you did "CBG sounds like you don't want to hear it. :)" |
| 01:10.27 | CBG | I didnt say you said it. |
| 01:10.31 | CBG | I said it sounded like... |
| 01:10.33 | JeffM2501 | you infered |
| 01:10.36 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 01:10.43 | CBG | Subtle difference. |
| 01:10.48 | JeffM2501 | don't go down the semantec line |
| 01:10.57 | JeffM2501 | or then I realy won't want to hear anything you say |
| 01:10.58 | CBG | ~dict semantec |
| 01:11.04 | JeffM2501 | and there ya go |
| 01:11.18 | CBG | I'm just wondering what it meant... |
| 01:11.27 | JeffM2501 | figure it out |
| 01:11.32 | CBG | Otherwise I don't know which lines to not go down. |
| 01:11.44 | JeffM2501 | what word in the english language SOUNDS like that |
| 01:11.58 | JeffM2501 | that would be pertertenant to our coversation |
| 01:12.04 | CBG | No idea. English was never my strong point. |
| 01:12.27 | JeffM2501 | semantics |
| 01:12.46 | CBG | "is the study of meaning" |
| 01:12.50 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:12.57 | JeffM2501 | als when people nit pick the words |
| 01:12.58 | CBG | Okies. |
| 01:13.02 | JeffM2501 | and don't focus on the meaning |
| 01:13.12 | JeffM2501 | because they just want to be mean to people |
| 01:13.17 | CBG | So, it was SC idea. |
| 01:13.22 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 01:13.25 | CBG | I'm not a good person to ask really. |
| 01:13.27 | JeffM2501 | you seem to be a propoent of it |
| 01:13.33 | JeffM2501 | so I was just discussing it with you |
| 01:13.37 | JeffM2501 | and asking for your input |
| 01:13.51 | CBG | I wouldn't change much. |
| 01:13.59 | JeffM2501 | I'd think you'd not want every setting to change, like your display settings |
| 01:14.07 | JeffM2501 | and if you realy did swap out the entire config |
| 01:14.07 | CBG | Yeah. |
| 01:14.16 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to make config changes to more then one file |
| 01:14.21 | JeffM2501 | and that's lame |
| 01:14.31 | CBG | why? |
| 01:14.45 | JeffM2501 | lets say you change your res because you get a new display |
| 01:14.50 | JeffM2501 | or change your username |
| 01:14.53 | JeffM2501 | or password |
| 01:14.58 | JeffM2501 | then you forget you have a CTF config |
| 01:15.01 | CBG | okay... |
| 01:15.04 | JeffM2501 | then you swap one day to CTF |
| 01:15.09 | JeffM2501 | and have to do all that stuff over again |
| 01:15.22 | JeffM2501 | when all you wanted was a new key binding |
| 01:15.43 | CBG | How about one conf for the stuff that should always be the same (pass, etc) and then the other files only have the gui, key, etc stuff in them...? |
| 01:15.44 | JeffM2501 | better would be to have a single config have groups |
| 01:15.55 | JeffM2501 | then you could set a group for each setting you want active |
| 01:16.03 | JeffM2501 | then have the global settings in a global group that dosn't change |
| 01:16.09 | CBG | yeah. |
| 01:16.18 | JeffM2501 | don't think about the phisical storeage of it |
| 01:16.27 | JeffM2501 | if it all works in game via a menu, you don't care how it's stored |
| 01:16.34 | JeffM2501 | we could keep it all in the same file |
| 01:16.46 | JeffM2501 | so it comes down to knowing what people change |
| 01:17.01 | JeffM2501 | the shot thing for high shot servers is a good thing to bring up |
| 01:17.12 | JeffM2501 | it shows how the interface item dosn't work for all cases |
| 01:17.20 | CBG | lemme look at the options |
| 01:17.21 | JeffM2501 | we could make a config limit for when to turn it off |
| 01:17.29 | JeffM2501 | that would sove that problem |
| 01:17.37 | JeffM2501 | with out requireing a new config |
| 01:17.55 | JeffM2501 | we could make it maybe shift to a smaller mode with numbers over some limt even |
| 01:18.29 | JeffM2501 | CBG, I don't think it's anyting you can come up with a "list" right now, but something that would require a research project with players |
| 01:18.35 | JeffM2501 | and then come up with a list of problems |
| 01:18.43 | JeffM2501 | then we could discuss solutions to those problems |
| 01:18.45 | CBG | you dont want my list? |
| 01:18.52 | JeffM2501 | list of what? |
| 01:18.58 | JeffM2501 | settings you'd think you'd change? |
| 01:19.03 | CBG | Yeah. |
| 01:19.04 | JeffM2501 | with each one I'd like to know WHY you change it |
| 01:19.13 | CBG | Okay. |
| 01:21.04 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, it dosn't build |
| 01:24.08 | Chestal | std::isnan stuff? |
| 01:24.34 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 01:24.44 | JeffM2501 | says that the line |
| 01:24.44 | JeffM2501 | using ::log10f; using ::modff; using ::powf; |
| 01:24.51 | JeffM2501 | c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003\Vc7\include\cmath(31) : error C2589: '(' : illegal token on right side of '::' |
| 01:25.22 | JeffM2501 | when it was doing CommandsImplementations.cxx |
| 01:25.25 | Chestal | hmm, maybe math.h and cmath is included both or something |
| 01:25.51 | SportChick | who said my name? |
| 01:25.52 | trepan | as previously mentionned, we may have killed <cmath> |
| 01:25.54 | CBG | JeffM2501: http://pastebin.ca/29170 stuff on GUI menu. |
| 01:25.59 | CBG | I did SportChick. |
| 01:26.01 | trepan | prolly the defines in common.h |
| 01:26.11 | JeffM2501 | if I take out include <cmath> then it tells me that isnan isn't a member of std:: |
| 01:26.19 | trepan | example: # define hypotf (float)hypot |
| 01:26.30 | JeffM2501 | CBG, this is probably something that needs to be biger then just an IRC discussion |
| 01:26.51 | JeffM2501 | trepan, probably |
| 01:26.52 | CBG | Ok JeffM2501, :) |
| 01:27.05 | CBG | SportChick: We were discussing your idea for multi-confs... |
| 01:27.13 | SportChick | oh, that |
| 01:27.14 | SportChick | ok |
| 01:27.23 | SportChick | CBG: summarize? |
| 01:27.33 | CBG | See the last thing Jeff said: |
| 01:27.40 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it's a good idea sport |
| 01:27.42 | Chestal | well, I have to go to bed. Good night |
| 01:27.45 | JeffM2501 | and you can kind of do it now |
| 01:27.46 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03chestal 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/GUIOptionsMenu.cxx: somewhat less complicated underline color option code |
| 01:27.49 | JeffM2501 | with command line options |
| 01:28.24 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, if you make a shortcut that has -confg and -configdir it can use a difrent config |
| 01:28.31 | JeffM2501 | so you could make a shortcut for each config you want to run |
| 01:29.10 | JeffM2501 | but I don't think we should swap in game, because there are many settings we don't want to change |
| 01:29.14 | JeffM2501 | like display stuff |
| 01:29.33 | JeffM2501 | basicly if there is any thing that people change, it means there is a flaw in that feature, and it shoudl be evaluated. |
| 01:29.59 | CBG | How? |
| 01:30.02 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, I think I have to just add some more stuff to my config.h |
| 01:30.12 | CBG | Maybe people just like different settings for different playing styles? |
| 01:30.16 | JeffM2501 | CBG, by listing them out, polling peoiple |
| 01:30.23 | JeffM2501 | finding out why they change them |
| 01:30.25 | JeffM2501 | etc... |
| 01:30.39 | JeffM2501 | CBG, if that is the case, then maybe we need per game type prefs for those features |
| 01:31.00 | CBG | You said "if people want to change..... there must be a flaw..." |
| 01:31.05 | CBG | It's not a flaw. |
| 01:31.14 | JeffM2501 | it means that our defaults arn't good enough for all games |
| 01:31.32 | JeffM2501 | and the flaw is in our system for not letting you pick one that is used for that game automaticly |
| 01:31.41 | JeffM2501 | or maybe the feature should be redesigned to be smarter |
| 01:31.44 | CBG | Many people dont use the defaults anyway. |
| 01:31.45 | JeffM2501 | like your shot counter |
| 01:31.48 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 01:31.53 | JeffM2501 | but I meant our system of defaults |
| 01:31.56 | JeffM2501 | not the exact keys |
| 01:32.05 | JeffM2501 | but then that means our defaults may be wrong too :) |
| 01:32.10 | CBG | :) |
| 01:32.56 | JeffM2501 | it may be that the best solution is to increase our default system to let people swap between multiple groups |
| 01:32.58 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/config.h: windows does indeed HAVE_LOG10F |
| 01:33.02 | JeffM2501 | but I don't think we can know that with out reserach |
| 01:33.03 | SportChick | JeffM2501: so, if I have a short cut set up, what exactly do I change to make it ref a diff config file? (Remember you're talking to a computer-blonde) |
| 01:33.15 | JeffM2501 | -confg |
| 01:33.22 | JeffM2501 | then the path to the new config |
| 01:33.27 | JeffM2501 | and it's name |
| 01:34.11 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, works now |
| 01:35.11 | trepan | JeffM2501: added all the HAVE_POWF type stuff? |
| 01:35.25 | JeffM2501 | it was allready in there |
| 01:35.30 | JeffM2501 | the only one missing was log10f |
| 01:35.59 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/config.h: windows does indeed HAVE_LOG10F |
| 01:36.15 | JeffM2501 | should be good to go now |
| 01:38.00 | JeffM2501 | CBG, on the score sort thing, I think you should be able to bind that kinda stuff to a key :) |
| 01:38.04 | JeffM2501 | so you can togle thru |
| 01:38.14 | JeffM2501 | you may want to see multiple views right after another |
| 01:38.17 | CBG | Hmm, I can see that :) |
| 01:38.20 | JeffM2501 | specialy if you are a ref |
| 01:38.39 | JeffM2501 | the radar comment just means we have to fix radar to make it not suck |
| 01:39.19 | CBG | Thats true :) |
| 01:39.20 | JeffM2501 | many of those thigns could be fixed by us adding more bindable ckeays |
| 01:39.22 | JeffM2501 | keys |
| 01:39.27 | JeffM2501 | as options |
| 01:39.35 | JeffM2501 | then you could change them in game with out hitting a menu |
| 01:39.38 | CBG | But that means more keys to remember and press... |
| 01:39.55 | JeffM2501 | same as you'd have to remember on all your configs :) |
| 01:40.02 | CBG | Might be easier to just go to the options and change one thing than pressing many buttons |
| 01:40.03 | JeffM2501 | but somethign like hud settings groups would not be bad |
| 01:40.15 | JeffM2501 | save off the UI settings and let you swap between presets |
| 01:40.37 | CBG | "same as you'd have to remember on all your configs" But thats the point... |
| 01:40.46 | JeffM2501 | I think it would be nice to have each menu be able to save it's settings and then you be able to load them |
| 01:40.50 | JeffM2501 | like a settings group |
| 01:40.55 | CBG | we want the game to save the configes so we cont have to remember them |
| 01:41.05 | JeffM2501 | no you want the settings saved |
| 01:41.08 | JeffM2501 | not the config |
| 01:41.16 | JeffM2501 | you just think of the config as JUST the settings |
| 01:41.19 | JeffM2501 | but it's much more |
| 01:41.25 | CBG | k |
| 01:41.51 | JeffM2501 | I can see a use for a way to "stamp" all the stuff in your menu settings into a group, then be able to reload those settings up and swap between them |
| 01:42.00 | JeffM2501 | what I can't see is reloading the entire config |
| 01:42.24 | JeffM2501 | to me that's just a brute force hack to get the real feature you want |
| 01:42.30 | CBG | How it actually works is up to you guys. |
| 01:42.37 | CBG | I was just passing SC's idea on to you. |
| 01:42.46 | JeffM2501 | but you did much more |
| 01:42.48 | JeffM2501 | you argued for it |
| 01:42.52 | JeffM2501 | and that is good |
| 01:42.57 | CBG | did I have a choice? |
| 01:42.58 | JeffM2501 | makes people think about it |
| 01:43.03 | JeffM2501 | yes you could have given up |
| 01:43.05 | JeffM2501 | but you did not |
| 01:43.11 | CBG | Given up and do what? |
| 01:43.19 | JeffM2501 | you could have said "whatever, ask her" |
| 01:43.19 | CBG | Sit in silence doing nothing? |
| 01:43.39 | CBG | Its 1:45AM, theres not a lot to do... |
| 01:43.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:43.45 | JeffM2501 | that' is allways a choice |
| 01:43.50 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:44.03 | CBG | :) |
| 01:44.54 | CBG | Anyone here want to advise me on the UK stock market, by any chance? |
| 01:45.13 | Aribeth | buy low, sell high :P |
| 01:45.18 | CBG | I'm in a competition for 14-19 year olds where the group thta makes the most profit by march will get to go to New York. |
| 01:45.24 | CBG | Aribeth, I know that much ;) |
| 01:45.29 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 01:45.34 | Aribeth | ;) |
| 01:45.45 | JeffM2501 | why would you want to go to new york? |
| 01:46.08 | CBG | Why not? |
| 01:46.18 | JeffM2501 | cus it's a nasty city that smells funny |
| 01:46.32 | CBG | Biggest city in the world.. |
| 01:46.37 | Aribeth | don't grink the water ;) |
| 01:46.48 | SportChick | Aribeth: grink? |
| 01:46.48 | JeffM2501 | or look anyone in the eye |
| 01:46.49 | CBG | Ok Aribeth, but can I drink it? |
| 01:47.01 | JeffM2501 | only the bottles you pay 6$ for |
| 01:47.15 | CBG | Geez, you guys are not fond of New York, New York! |
| 01:47.19 | CBG | :P |
| 01:47.24 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, shouldn't it be you know like...near x-mas for that? |
| 01:47.35 | JeffM2501 | CBG, if you go there, you'll see why |
| 01:47.54 | Aribeth | they can be nasty there |
| 01:48.02 | CBG | Heh... anyway, I still want to do well in the competition... |
| 01:48.11 | CBG | I have little chance of winning anyway. |
| 01:48.17 | JeffM2501 | how do you like downtown londo CBG ? |
| 01:48.20 | JeffM2501 | london sorry |
| 01:48.26 | CBG | Wouldn't know... |
| 01:48.42 | JeffM2501 | why havne't you ever gone |
| 01:48.47 | CBG | I live 3+ hours away from London.\ |
| 01:48.47 | JeffM2501 | it's suposed to be WONDERFULL |
| 01:49.05 | CBG | I've been a few times, but not nescerrally to downtown. |
| 01:49.06 | JeffM2501 | I live on 5000 miles away from NYX |
| 01:49.09 | JeffM2501 | NYC |
| 01:49.34 | CBG | You've also been on the planet a lot longer than me. :) |
| 01:49.49 | JeffM2501 | tink of it as london, more dense, no history, and way more bums |
| 01:50.27 | JeffM2501 | and it smells like pee |
| 01:50.38 | Aribeth | do something wrong in traffic and they will get in your face |
| 01:50.58 | JeffM2501 | if you dare drive there |
| 01:51.03 | Aribeth | ya |
| 01:51.27 | JeffM2501 | LA may smell like pee too, but we have better parking |
| 01:51.27 | Aribeth | and dont leave your car out |
| 01:51.48 | CBG | You guys miss the point. |
| 01:51.48 | Aribeth | it just might get stripped |
| 01:52.02 | Aribeth | looking at the facts CBG |
| 01:52.03 | CBG | For me, NY is just one of those places that you HAVE to see, even if it's just once. |
| 01:52.17 | JeffM2501 | and we are telling you.. no you don't |
| 01:52.22 | JeffM2501 | there are many better places |
| 01:52.27 | JeffM2501 | it's not all it's cracked up to be |
| 01:52.34 | JeffM2501 | trust me |
| 01:52.36 | JeffM2501 | been there |
| 01:52.37 | Aribeth | thats for sure |
| 01:52.40 | JeffM2501 | more then once |
| 01:53.01 | Aribeth | i havn't been there, and i don't wana go there. |
| 01:53.02 | CBG | You won't change my mind.. |
| 01:53.21 | CBG | I was just looking for someone who can offer advice on the UK stock markets, but, whatever. :) |
| 01:54.04 | Aribeth | can't help you there |
| 01:54.14 | SportChick | JeffM2501: well, when you work at a church, its best to have your staff party early before things get crazy |
| 01:54.57 | Aribeth | its party time :P |
| 01:55.03 | CBG | hehe SportChick :) |
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| 01:58.17 | JeffM2501 | just seems REALY early :) |
| 01:58.23 | JeffM2501 | next year it'll be in july |
| 01:58.44 | JeffM2501 | poor thankgsivinb |
| 01:59.06 | JeffM2501 | its becoming the "pre-christamass warmup" holiday |
| 01:59.26 | Aribeth | yep |
| 01:59.53 | JeffM2501 | and we should celebrate our first lies to the native americans proper! |
| 01:59.57 | JeffM2501 | by geting fatter |
| 02:00.20 | Aribeth | im confused now. do i celebrate my b'day on thankgiving, or should it be pre-xmas? |
| 02:00.47 | JeffM2501 | make it a new holday |
| 02:00.49 | JeffM2501 | aribethday |
| 02:00.55 | Aribeth | heheeeeee |
| 02:00.55 | JeffM2501 | or aribethween |
| 02:01.05 | JeffM2501 | decemberween |
| 02:01.17 | Aribeth | thanksmas |
| 02:01.21 | trepan | heh, 1 explosion was eating all 8 GL lights |
| 02:01.35 | trepan | (well, 8 here...) |
| 02:01.37 | JeffM2501 | lightmaps man |
| 02:01.39 | JeffM2501 | lightmaps |
| 02:01.41 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 02:01.46 | JeffM2501 | or can allways swap to directX |
| 02:02.15 | trepan | frag shaders, shaders man |
| 02:02.19 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 02:02.21 | CBG | bbs |
| 02:02.27 | trepan | lightmaps don't be doing no specular |
| 02:02.52 | JeffM2501 | well then you'd have to make the explosion be a good particle system then too |
| 02:03.00 | trepan | this multi-pass ground light rendering looks fairly decent |
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| 02:37.34 | CBG | uh oh. |
| 02:37.51 | I_Died_Once | I get that everywhere I go |
| 02:38.01 | CBG | That's no suprise. |
| 02:38.06 | CBG | How are you keeping, boss? |
| 02:38.31 | I_Died_Once | How they hangin' ? |
| 02:38.53 | CBG | I'm good, thanks. |
| 02:39.47 | I_Died_Once | who here uses ubuntu? |
| 02:42.07 | I_Died_Once | I managed to screw up my install of suse somewhat - I'm considering trying kubuntu, and I'm wondering if they have a updating machanism like yast is.... |
| 02:42.26 | CBG | #ubuntu ? :P |
| 02:42.33 | I_Died_Once | and if they have an easay interface to install software, something like yast |
| 02:43.00 | CBG | Sounds like you are wanting something thats not linux... ;) |
| 02:43.10 | CBG | interface?? |
| 02:43.30 | I_Died_Once | I got it now on linux, I'm just wondering if any ubuntu has something like the same |
| 02:44.07 | CBG | I was reading on "How to become a Hacker" in a ICT class yesterday. :) |
| 02:44.21 | CBG | Seemed hypocritical... |
| 02:44.39 | CBG | Was saying to install a unix-based OS to learn on because hacking Windows is a no-no. |
| 02:44.45 | trepan | ubuntu is debian based, so it'll have the apt pkg tools |
| 02:44.56 | CBG | Then later went on to tell us how flawes windows security is and so-on. |
| 02:45.13 | CBG | flawed* |
| 02:45.23 | I_Died_Once | trepan: is that a command line prog or does it havea a gui ??? |
| 02:45.35 | I_Died_Once | **have a gui ? |
| 02:45.45 | trepan | dselect, apt-get (and friends), aptitude, synaptic |
| 02:46.19 | I_Died_Once | ok, you lost me with that last line... |
| 02:47.14 | trepan | i just listed some pkg mgmt cmds, also, google for ubuntu package management |
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| 02:47.37 | CBG | hey wizart :) |
| 02:49.17 | I_Died_Once | "no" would have suficed, but thanks |
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| 02:50.32 | trepan | I_Died_Once: having a slow day? prone to logical fallacies? |
| 02:51.53 | CBG | now now, ladies... |
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| 02:53.55 | bz5319 | is there anyone here knowledgeable of meshes |
| 02:54.17 | bz5319 | i have tried everything and can't figure out how to make a hole in an object |
| 02:54.21 | CBG | Hi bz5319! |
| 02:54.22 | bz5319 | a mesh object |
| 02:54.29 | CBG | WHat modellor are you using? |
| 02:54.31 | bz5319 | is there a specific order |
| 02:54.43 | bz5319 | i am writting some code myself to gin the mesh |
| 02:54.48 | bz5319 | i can do it in a modeler |
| 02:54.54 | CBG | Hmm, Ok. |
| 02:55.17 | CBG | What are you getting? |
| 02:55.36 | I_Died_Once | head |
| 02:55.42 | bz5319 | i get a box (hole) where i want it, but of cource.... |
| 02:55.48 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.57 | CBG | bz5319: but...? |
| 02:55.58 | I_Died_Once | nice follow to that, too |
| 02:56.04 | bz5319 | it is not passable since the outer mesh overides |
| 02:56.05 | I_Died_Once | **follow up |
| 02:56.19 | bz5319 | also it should show up should be hole |
| 02:56.23 | CBG | outermesh? |
| 02:56.32 | CBG | outer mesh*? |
| 02:56.34 | bz5319 | no |
| 02:56.37 | bz5319 | i try that |
| 02:56.41 | bz5319 | ok hang on |
| 02:56.46 | CBG | try what? |
| 02:56.51 | CBG | what is the outer mesh? |
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| 02:57.03 | CBG | The outer sides of the object? |
| 02:57.09 | CBG | hey bryjen :) |
| 02:57.17 | bryjen | 'lo |
| 02:57.29 | bz5319 | what |
| 02:57.47 | bz5319 | i tried using the 'outside' paramenter for my outer vertexes, but then nothing shows up |
| 02:57.53 | CBG | You said "the outer mesh overides". |
| 02:57.55 | bz5319 | vertices sp* |
| 02:58.05 | CBG | What do you mean by the outer mesh? |
| 02:58.27 | bz5319 | the outer most limits of the mesh |
| 02:58.32 | CBG | Ok. |
| 02:58.47 | trepan | bz5319: try this: arc \n divisions 4 \n ratio 0.5 \n end |
| 02:58.48 | bz5319 | should i post this in forum so you can see code and respond or something or is this simple (somewhat) |
| 02:58.52 | trepan | replace \n with newlines |
| 02:59.05 | bz5319 | i know about that, i need a mesh |
| 02:59.11 | trepan | forget inside/outside points until you have a firm grasp on the rest of the syntax |
| 02:59.12 | Guu | I've never heard of inside/outside points until you have a firm grasp on the rest of the syntax, trepan! |
| 02:59.12 | CBG | So, if you made just, 8 faces that made a box with 2 sides missing, could you not drive through that? |
| 02:59.13 | bz5319 | multiple holes and one solid face |
| 02:59.41 | CBG | lol guu |
| 02:59.57 | bz5319 | i need a mesh |
| 03:00.11 | bz5319 | if a modeler can output it then i should be able to as well |
| 03:00.15 | bz5319 | i just need syntax |
| 03:00.22 | bz5319 | order of vertices w/e |
| 03:00.23 | CBG | Well, I can't get my head around why the outermost faces of the mesh are blocking up the "holes" so I can't help you. |
| 03:00.38 | trepan | use a modeller, make your shape, use 'modeltool' to generate a bzw, look at the syntax |
| 03:00.52 | bz5319 | i know i am righting code to gin one so modeler is USELESSS |
| 03:01.04 | bz5319 | CBG: i will post this in forum so u can see the code |
| 03:01.18 | CBG | Hmm, I never was good at meshes. |
| 03:01.30 | CBG | If you just want the syntax, look at the man pages. |
| 03:02.16 | CBG | Try http://my.bzflag.org/cgi-bin/man/man2html?5+bzw |
| 03:02.30 | CBG | syntax is: |
| 03:02.31 | bz5319 | not going to work |
| 03:02.34 | bz5319 | i looked at that |
| 03:02.43 | bz5319 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=59295 |
| 03:02.47 | bz5319 | check it out |
| 03:03.13 | CBG | mesh \n vertex 0 0 0 \n face \n vertices 0 0 0 \n endface \n end |
| 03:04.09 | bz5319 | ? |
| 03:04.13 | bz5319 | did u look at my post |
| 03:04.19 | bz5319 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=59295 |
| 03:04.19 | CBG | That code on your post will only produce 2 faces. |
| 03:04.27 | bz5319 | thats what i want |
| 03:04.32 | CBG | :/ |
| 03:04.37 | bz5319 | like a wall with holes |
| 03:04.48 | bz5319 | swiss cheese |
| 03:04.53 | Ice_Wewe | me raises an eyebrow |
| 03:04.57 | Ice_Wewe | Doh! |
| 03:04.57 | CBG | a *2D* object with holes? |
| 03:04.59 | bz5319 | lol |
| 03:05.00 | CBG | or 3D ? |
| 03:05.03 | bz5319 | yes! |
| 03:05.06 | bz5319 | 3d |
| 03:05.11 | bz5319 | 3d if it has to be |
| 03:05.17 | bz5319 | 2d is better |
| 03:05.18 | bz5319 | simpler |
| 03:05.29 | Ice_Wewe | bz5319: as far as I know, everything in BZFlag is 3D |
| 03:05.30 | CBG | picture it in your mind, is it 2 or 3 dimensions? |
| 03:05.39 | bz5319 | 2 |
| 03:05.42 | Ice_Wewe | CBG: can you even have a 2D wall?! |
| 03:05.49 | bz5319 | yes jezz |
| 03:05.54 | CBG | Ice_wewe, a mesh face is 2D... or am I being stupid? |
| 03:05.55 | bz5319 | with meshes |
| 03:06.01 | bz5319 | i think it is |
| 03:06.07 | bz5319 | yah a face is |
| 03:06.11 | bz5319 | like on a box |
| 03:06.21 | Ice_Wewe | CBG: I don't know, I'm kinda confused, considering I'm kinda only awake due to sugar |
| 03:06.31 | CBG | Well, with the 2 faces you have defined, you have a solid wall from 2 sides, you cant then take holes out of that. |
| 03:06.38 | CBG | Okay Ice_Wewe :) |
| 03:06.40 | bz5319 | Ice_Wewe: don't worry about it not your problem |
| 03:06.44 | Ice_Wewe | CBG: well said |
| 03:06.52 | CBG | bz5319: you have to not put anything where the holes are. |
| 03:07.04 | bz5319 | meaning? lol |
| 03:07.19 | CBG | meaning, you have defined 2 solid faces. |
| 03:07.27 | bz5319 | right |
| 03:07.38 | bz5319 | so like oh i know |
| 03:07.39 | bz5319 | i get it |
| 03:07.42 | CBG | *solid* |
| 03:07.43 | bz5319 | isee what you mean TYTYTYTYYTYTYTYT |
| 03:07.50 | bz5319 | thank you so much |
| 03:07.57 | bz5319 | i try that out and report back |
| 03:08.15 | CBG | sorry I can't explain any better... :/ |
| 03:08.34 | CBG | You need to make a face that is like a letter O for example. |
| 03:08.34 | Ice_Wewe | hmm, bound and gaged prisoners, about to be shot, yep, this is where I parked my car... |
| 03:08.51 | CBG | Not make a solid circle then somehow hope to take away a smaller circle from the big one... |
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| 03:11.42 | JeffM2501 | sup |
| 03:11.47 | CBG | ~frag Ice_Wewe |
| 03:11.49 | ibot | ACTION readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at Ice_Wewe |
| 03:12.05 | Ice_Wewe | ~bzfrag CBG |
| 03:12.07 | ibot | ACTION makes CBG feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 03:12.17 | CBG | Mmm, fried flash! |
| 03:12.27 | *** join/#bzflag SilentSwan (n=cygnus@unaffiliated/silentswan) |
| 03:12.28 | Ice_Wewe | Mind if I join you? |
| 03:12.33 | CBG | Hey SilentSwan :D |
| 03:12.36 | SilentSwan | hi |
| 03:12.47 | CBG | This place is bangin' at 3:12AM. ;) |
| 03:12.48 | Ice_Wewe | In the words on JeffM2501 "sup" |
| 03:13.05 | CBG | What, physically copying it? By hand? :) |
| 03:13.07 | SilentSwan | this is gonna take some time |
| 03:13.11 | SilentSwan | yeah, with pencil :) |
| 03:13.24 | CBG | :D |
| 03:13.38 | Ice_Wewe | Multi-Language friendly! |
| 03:13.42 | Ice_Wewe | ;) |
| 03:13.48 | CBG | heh |
| 03:13.56 | Ice_Wewe | No drivers needed... |
| 03:14.08 | SilentSwan | Ice_Wewe - just curious, but what are the origins of your nick? |
| 03:14.27 | I_Died_Once | NASA spent millions of dollars designing an ink pen that'll write in zero gravity... |
| 03:14.31 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: just curious, but why do you want to know? |
| 03:14.34 | I_Died_Once | the Russians used a pencil |
| 03:14.38 | SilentSwan | just curious :) |
| 03:14.40 | Ice_Wewe | I_Died_Once: and the Russians went up and used Pencil |
| 03:14.55 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: I don't rightly know... I could make up a reason. |
| 03:15.00 | SilentSwan | ah ok |
| 03:15.01 | SilentSwan | heh |
| 03:15.05 | Ice_Wewe | Quote from CAD: FedEx overnight-super-express-rocketing-through- |
| 03:15.05 | Ice_Wewe | the-atmosphere-gets-to-my-doorstep-as-soon-as-humanly-possible-to-quell-my- |
| 03:15.05 | Ice_Wewe | anticipation-service. |
| 03:15.12 | CBG | Wow... O.oOver £17,000,000 has been raised for Children in Need! |
| 03:15.21 | CBG | O.o Over* |
| 03:15.39 | SilentSwan | wonder how much of that they'll actually see |
| 03:15.48 | Ice_Wewe | £17,000,000 (hmm, perhaps I may need to install the 'geek' font?) |
| 03:15.54 | SilentSwan | if it's anything like the red cross, probably not much |
| 03:16.10 | CBG | ~frag I_Died_Once |
| 03:16.12 | ibot | ACTION readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at I_Died_Once |
| 03:16.19 | Ice_Wewe | ~whaleslap CBG |
| 03:16.20 | ibot | I'll just grab a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh and slap CBG over the head with it..... |
| 03:16.23 | CBG | SilentSwan: I imagine a lot of it, if not all. |
| 03:16.28 | SilentSwan | hope so |
| 03:16.34 | I_Died_Once | ~donkeypunch CBG |
| 03:16.38 | SilentSwan | ok, this box now has half a terabyte :) |
| 03:16.47 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, watchit |
| 03:17.06 | Ice_Wewe | the-atmosphere-gets-to-my-doorstep-as-soon-as-humanly-possible-to-quell-my- |
| 03:17.06 | Ice_Wewe | anticipation-service to get to the Children in Need place |
| 03:17.13 | I_Died_Once | Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, someone knew what that meant! |
| 03:17.28 | CBG | It must have been rude to warrant a warning, which suggests I am naive. :) |
| 03:17.34 | JeffM2501 | it's not like it's a new term |
| 03:17.46 | SilentSwan | as usual |
| 03:17.49 | JeffM2501 | don't ask |
| 03:17.54 | JeffM2501 | you won't like it |
| 03:18.03 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: wow, and I'm running this thing on 160GB! (just the thought is making me hungry for sleep (hungry for sleep?)) |
| 03:18.09 | I_Died_Once | & then there's Tony Danza |
| 03:18.48 | Ice_Wewe | <Address to all> Well, I'd better be going soon, have to work tomorrow. |
| 03:18.54 | CBG | SilentSwan: you do NOT want to know. |
| 03:19.01 | SilentSwan | i always want to know :) |
| 03:19.08 | CBG | SilentSwan: How was your day today? |
| 03:19.09 | Ice_Wewe | CBG: We do NOT want to know ;) |
| 03:19.11 | I_Died_Once | its novel, I tell ya |
| 03:19.19 | SilentSwan | heeh |
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| 03:20.54 | SilentSwan | oh dear... |
| 03:21.03 | Ice_Wewe | Do you think that maybe rain should effect your tank vision? |
| 03:21.06 | SilentSwan | but.. at least i learned something new |
| 03:21.12 | JeffM2501 | told you :) |
| 03:21.15 | SilentSwan | heh |
| 03:21.18 | CBG | do you see why we said you do NOT want to know? |
| 03:21.30 | SilentSwan | yeah, but i still learned something :P |
| 03:21.46 | I_Died_Once | Swan, have YOU ever... |
| 03:21.47 | I_Died_Once | nm |
| 03:21.54 | SilentSwan | uhhh.. no |
| 03:22.42 | CBG | Well done, Ice_Wewe :) |
| 03:22.48 | CBG | Try, bbc.co.uk/pudsey |
| 03:23.22 | Ice_Wewe | CBG: being that that is the first hit, I am already there |
| 03:23.29 | CBG | Good :) |
| 03:23.32 | SilentSwan | *** 'The Silent Swan' joined the game as Blue Team from 68.3.145.116. |
| 03:23.32 | SilentSwan | *** 'The Silent Swan' left the game. |
| 03:23.35 | SilentSwan | hmmm |
| 03:23.39 | Ice_Wewe | CBG: but I don't see the "You DON'T want to know link" |
| 03:23.45 | SilentSwan | that little bugger's got nerve coming on MY server |
| 03:23.52 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 03:24.33 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: I've had people do that |
| 03:24.55 | SilentSwan | 116.145.3.68.in-addr.arpa name = ip68-3-145-116.ph.ph.cox.net. |
| 03:25.00 | SilentSwan | sound familiar, anyone? |
| 03:25.02 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: Mainly Win Xp, he joins as me on his server, and tries to sour my rep... there have also been more random people attempting to be me |
| 03:25.14 | SilentSwan | i'm not sure this is the same person |
| 03:25.25 | I_Died_Once | I've been cloned too |
| 03:25.26 | SilentSwan | this one's been running around as "The Silent Swan" for a few months |
| 03:25.26 | Ice_Wewe | Cox Communications Inc. COX-ATLANTA (NET-68-0-0-0-1) |
| 03:25.27 | Ice_Wewe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.30 | CBG | Im out, nice shooting folks. |
| 03:25.31 | I_Died_Once | as has Delusion |
| 03:25.32 | SilentSwan | but apparently has caused no trouble |
| 03:25.35 | Ice_Wewe | Atlanta |
| 03:25.35 | CBG | Catch ya'll soon. |
| 03:25.40 | Ice_Wewe | bye CBG |
| 03:25.53 | SilentSwan | bye |
| 03:25.54 | JeffM2501 | you'd be suprised how many "InsertOneOfJeff'sNamesHere-is gay" players there were/are :) |
| 03:25.59 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 03:26.11 | CBG | JeffM2501: sign of flattery, no? :P |
| 03:26.14 | SilentSwan | like i said, i don't care, as long as people don't think it's me if he DOES cause trouble hehe |
| 03:26.25 | JeffM2501 | I guess so |
| 03:27.10 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: ohh, Roger's cable customer, must be a cable modem guy |
| 03:27.12 | I_Died_Once | someoone went to delusions as me - not my Vader name, but as I_Died_Once - and "came out of the closet" |
| 03:27.15 | JeffM2501 | like bigger then your head? |
| 03:27.30 | SilentSwan | not quite that big |
| 03:27.30 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: 24th hop |
| 03:28.02 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: 24th hop, hit a firewall... jeeze, this new fad is disturbing, people running firewalls right and left! |
| 03:28.19 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 03:28.25 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: got to here: ip68-2-7-210.ph.ph.cox.net (68.2.7.210) |
| 03:28.48 | SilentSwan | so? |
| 03:28.51 | Ice_Wewe | and for some reason this system only lets me run traceroute as root, it's darn annoying |
| 03:29.17 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: again, Atlanta. Cox Communications Inc. COX-ATLANTA (NET-68-0-0-0-1) |
| 03:29.22 | SilentSwan | traceroute is typically suid root |
| 03:29.48 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: hmmm, then I guess Fedora guys need to rethink system security, I could run it as uid 502 (me) on Fedora |
| 03:29.48 | SilentSwan | cygnus@discworld ~ $ ls -l `which traceroute` |
| 03:29.49 | SilentSwan | -rws--x--- 1 root wheel 20960 Nov 6 00:34 /usr/sbin/traceroute* |
| 03:30.07 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: discworld? You a DJ? |
| 03:30.13 | SilentSwan | no |
| 03:30.28 | SilentSwan | discworld is a fictional world in a series of books by Terry Pratchett |
| 03:30.37 | Ice_Wewe | I see |
| 03:30.42 | Ice_Wewe | well, I'm checking out for the night |
| 03:30.49 | SilentSwan | cheers |
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| 04:12.27 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: ping |
| 04:13.28 | JeffM2501 | whack |
| 04:13.35 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 04:13.50 | Thumper_ | bz_ePlayerJoinEvent and bz_ePlayerPartEvent |
| 04:13.52 | Thumper_ | for plugins |
| 04:14.00 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 04:14.10 | Thumper_ | the Part event _isn't_ called if the team is eNoTeam |
| 04:14.15 | Thumper_ | but the join event doesn't have this check |
| 04:14.19 | JeffM2501 | add it |
| 04:14.23 | Thumper_ | was that missed or is there a real reason for that? |
| 04:14.28 | Thumper_ | I think it was missed |
| 04:14.30 | JeffM2501 | pobablymissed |
| 04:14.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:14.31 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 04:14.37 | JeffM2501 | I concur my good man |
| 04:14.44 | Thumper_ | I got CVS commit access today :) so I can actually change it |
| 04:14.58 | Thumper_ | I have a couple of other things I want to add |
| 04:15.12 | JeffM2501 | whooohoo, turtle droped a chest :) |
| 04:15.16 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 04:15.18 | JeffM2501 | congrats |
| 04:15.19 | Thumper_ | bz_eSlashCommandEvent fires anytime a /anything is entered |
| 04:15.20 | Thumper_ | to the server |
| 04:15.28 | JeffM2501 | ahh cool |
| 04:15.33 | Thumper_ | so I can trap things like reports, and other user commands |
| 04:15.45 | Thumper_ | but I want to trap this before it's processed (and before it's even |
| 04:15.49 | Thumper_ | checked to be a valid thing to enter) |
| 04:15.54 | Thumper_ | is that okay with you? |
| 04:16.02 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 04:16.05 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 04:16.09 | Thumper_ | also a bz_eAuthEvent |
| 04:16.17 | Thumper_ | for when authentication status for a player changes |
| 04:16.28 | Thumper_ | (for global auth or /identify etc) |
| 04:17.35 | Thumper_ | okay? |
| 04:17.45 | JeffM2501 | makes sense |
| 04:18.08 | Thumper_ | anyone else I should talk to before I go 'breaking' the code? ;) |
| 04:18.33 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 04:18.39 | JeffM2501 | just be carefull |
| 04:18.43 | Thumper_ | the first patch for bz_eSlashCommandEvent is basically ready if you |
| 04:18.43 | JeffM2501 | and we can allways revert |
| 04:18.46 | Thumper_ | want to take a peek at it |
| 04:18.51 | JeffM2501 | I trust you |
| 04:18.52 | Thumper_ | before I commit it |
| 04:18.55 | Thumper_ | ok good enough :) |
| 04:18.58 | JeffM2501 | the API isn't mine, I just started it :) |
| 04:19.01 | Thumper_ | thanks |
| 04:19.24 | Thumper_ | I have some plugins that'll use this stuff |
| 04:19.46 | Thumper_ | not sure if I should they should be added or not at this point |
| 04:19.48 | Thumper_ | so I'll leave them out |
| 04:20.17 | Thumper_ | and just build the hooks for them for now. |
| 04:20.56 | Thumper_ | last question - I should commit to both v2_0branch and head until further notice? |
| 04:23.01 | JeffM2501 | well it's up to you |
| 04:23.05 | JeffM2501 | for now I'd say yeah |
| 04:23.15 | Thumper_ | well I want it in v2_0branch :) |
| 04:23.15 | JeffM2501 | I'm guesing there will be a 2.0.6 |
| 04:23.24 | Thumper_ | so I need it in head so it doesn't get lost later |
| 04:23.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah if you want 2.0, I'd do both |
| 04:23.36 | JeffM2501 | well dtr does merges back up |
| 04:23.43 | JeffM2501 | but doing it in both places will help him out |
| 04:23.54 | Thumper_ | ok that's fairly simple |
| 04:26.07 | trepan | committing to both places shouldn't really help dtr, it'll just add more warnings |
| 04:26.24 | trepan | "patch previously committed" type stuff |
| 04:26.29 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 04:26.41 | Thumper_ | so what do you suggest? just commit on v2_0branch only? |
| 04:26.45 | trepan | yup |
| 04:26.50 | Thumper_ | ok willdo |
| 04:27.06 | Thumper_ | is dtr merging most things back and forth? |
| 04:27.20 | trepan | it's mostly upstream |
| 04:27.21 | Thumper_ | whatever is compatible |
| 04:27.45 | Thumper_ | he merged the public server bot fix today to v2_0branch I think |
| 04:28.33 | trepan | by volume, it's pretty much all upstream ;) |
| 04:29.31 | trepan | (and that was tupone with the bots in the branch) |
| 04:31.57 | Thumper_ | well time to start ... with a simple one-liner :-P |
| 04:41.05 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03bthansen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Don't generate a bz_ePlayerJoinEvent if we don't have a real player slot |
| 04:41.14 | Thumper_ | eek |
| 04:41.20 | JeffM2501 | whooot |
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| 04:44.36 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: no plugin events should just be added before bz_eLastEvent right? (instead of inserting in the middle of the list somewhere) |
| 04:44.45 | Thumper_ | s/no/new/ |
| 04:46.44 | trepan | wouldn't it'd matter, you have to break the api version anyways |
| 04:48.05 | JeffM2501 | no you don't have to break |
| 04:48.09 | JeffM2501 | if you put them at the end |
| 04:48.15 | JeffM2501 | right before the "last" one |
| 04:48.27 | JeffM2501 | you only have to break if oyu change a struct |
| 04:48.33 | JeffM2501 | or the params to an existing function |
| 04:48.34 | Thumper_ | yeah I want to add this new event after all the existing ones |
| 04:48.43 | Thumper_ | so can I commit that to v2_0branch too? |
| 04:48.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's how you do it :) |
| 04:48.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:48.49 | trepan | how will plugins know the new ones are available? |
| 04:49.04 | Thumper_ | old plugins won't |
| 04:49.17 | Thumper_ | but if you compile new ones with v2_0branch source they'll see the new |
| 04:49.17 | JeffM2501 | they will have no code that uses them |
| 04:49.19 | Thumper_ | one as well |
| 04:49.20 | JeffM2501 | so they won't care |
| 04:51.00 | trepan | what if they kack on the new events? |
| 04:51.12 | JeffM2501 | they will never install a handler for them |
| 04:51.15 | JeffM2501 | so they will never get them |
| 04:51.19 | Thumper_ | they don't get the event if they don't install a handler for it |
| 04:51.19 | JeffM2501 | so they won't Kack |
| 04:51.30 | trepan | ah, good enough |
| 04:51.37 | Thumper_ | and if they don't know about it... it's hard to install a handler for it |
| 04:51.48 | Thumper_ | ;) |
| 04:51.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah it works out decently well |
| 04:52.22 | Thumper_ | ok so I'll toss this into v2_0branch too then |
| 04:52.35 | Thumper_ | after I check the docs etc one last time |
| 04:58.57 | trepan | JeffM2501: what happens when older bzfs with the right api version uses a plugin with the smae version, but new events? |
| 04:59.17 | JeffM2501 | the old plugin never reged a handler for the new evetns |
| 04:59.20 | JeffM2501 | so it never gets them |
| 04:59.24 | JeffM2501 | and works as it used to |
| 04:59.37 | Thumper_ | um ... old server, new plugin |
| 04:59.55 | Thumper_ | old server code won't generate the event |
| 04:59.56 | JeffM2501 | ohh |
| 05:00.03 | JeffM2501 | it will fail on the register |
| 05:00.07 | JeffM2501 | return an error code |
| 05:00.12 | JeffM2501 | and never reg the events |
| 05:00.17 | JeffM2501 | and they will never be called |
| 05:00.26 | JeffM2501 | if it uses new functions that arn't in the old bzfs it just won't load |
| 05:00.32 | JeffM2501 | but it should not crash anything |
| 05:00.44 | Thumper_ | I've never actually tried that... |
| 05:00.51 | JeffM2501 | I have |
| 05:00.54 | JeffM2501 | you see a link error |
| 05:01.19 | JeffM2501 | basicly load library fails |
| 05:01.55 | trepan | JeffM2501: what new functions need it use to register a new event handler? |
| 05:02.27 | trepan | looks like you can just cast into (bz_EventHandler*) |
| 05:02.31 | JeffM2501 | they don't to register |
| 05:02.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah reging isn't where it fails |
| 05:02.53 | JeffM2501 | but if you say add a new API function ( non reg ) |
| 05:02.58 | JeffM2501 | that will fail |
| 05:03.21 | trepan | my guess is that the events aren't generated, and the plugin malfunctions (unless you have a check against the event type during registration) |
| 05:05.00 | JeffM2501 | the old bzfs would never have a trigger for the event ID |
| 05:05.00 | JeffM2501 | and would just never call it |
| 05:05.15 | trepan | so silently broken plugin? |
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| 05:09.43 | JeffM2501 | well yes they will not work as intended |
| 05:09.43 | JeffM2501 | that is why we do break the api version for major changes |
| 05:09.43 | JeffM2501 | like we can do for proto |
| 05:09.43 | JeffM2501 | to "version" it |
| 05:09.44 | JeffM2501 | it's basicly a judgement call each time |
| 05:10.49 | trepan | the common case for distributed binary plugins, old server, new plugin |
| 05:11.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:11.30 | JeffM2501 | hasn't been a problem so much yet |
| 05:11.45 | Thumper_ | so where should I commit this new plugin event? |
| 05:12.46 | Thumper_ | the new plugins just won't load on the old server (right?) |
| 05:13.25 | trepan | they'll load, but not work |
| 05:13.34 | trepan | (if they're using new event types) |
| 05:13.46 | Thumper_ | can they register for an event that doesn't exist in the server they are loading/registering on? |
| 05:14.04 | trepan | sounds like that's the case |
| 05:14.29 | Thumper_ | so the plugin will look broken |
| 05:14.36 | Thumper_ | by being non-functional |
| 05:15.02 | trepan | yup |
| 05:15.15 | Thumper_ | that's not great.. but it's better than crashing the server |
| 05:16.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's not best |
| 05:16.34 | JeffM2501 | we do return an error IIRC |
| 05:16.34 | JeffM2501 | so they "should" check for it |
| 05:17.19 | JeffM2501 | I mean we could throw an error then |
| 05:17.22 | JeffM2501 | and unload the plugin |
| 05:17.25 | JeffM2501 | on the bad register |
| 05:17.35 | Thumper_ | that would probably be better |
| 05:17.47 | Thumper_ | then it won't look like it's loaded |
| 05:17.53 | Thumper_ | (and working) |
| 05:17.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:17.58 | JeffM2501 | well somone will get an error |
| 05:18.15 | Thumper_ | I've also noticed that if you /loadplugin someincorrectfilename |
| 05:18.19 | Thumper_ | it'll show as loaded |
| 05:18.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah the error reporing tthere is weak |
| 05:18.44 | Thumper_ | somethign else for me to work on ;) |
| 05:20.54 | Thumper_ | so when 2.0.6 comes out is that coming from v2_0branch and 2.2 is coming from HEAD (eventually) |
| 05:20.57 | Thumper_ | ? |
| 05:21.07 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 05:21.08 | JeffM2501 | basicly |
| 05:22.58 | Thumper_ | ok this new plugin event patch is ready but I can sit on it if there are any compatibility concerns... |
| 05:23.06 | Thumper_ | I'm the only one likely to use it anytime soon |
| 05:24.29 | Thumper_ | I'd like to commit it though... and do the bz_eAuthEvent too |
| 05:25.21 | Thumper_ | if it doesn't go in v2_0branch the only other option is HEAD basically and wait for the 2.2 release |
| 05:25.44 | JeffM2501 | we've added other events to 2.05 |
| 05:25.48 | JeffM2501 | so don' woory bout it |
| 05:25.51 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 05:26.08 | JeffM2501 | most plugins are done via source |
| 05:26.21 | JeffM2501 | since most servers are nix |
| 05:26.24 | Thumper_ | mine included |
| 05:26.39 | Thumper_ | ok thx guys |
| 05:29.16 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03bthansen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add plugin event bz_eSlashCommandEvent |
| 05:44.07 | Thumper_ | Enough fun for one day... night all (and thx trepan and JeffM2501) |
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| 10:02.47 | LePoulpe303 | hi all |
| 10:03.10 | LePoulpe303 | Ice_Wewe: ping ? |
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| 10:04.37 | LePoulpe303 | i need help http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5845 |
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| 12:19.39 | Ice_Wewe | LePoulpe303: ping |
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| 12:25.35 | _Manu_ | LePoulpe303, I'm running ubuntu breezy in this box and no delay |
| 12:26.25 | Tupone | I wonder if gpm is active |
| 12:26.44 | _Manu_ | gpm? |
| 12:26.55 | Tupone | mouse for character mode terminal |
| 12:27.04 | _Manu_ | ah.. heh |
| 12:27.08 | Tupone | it is a mouse relay |
| 12:27.19 | Tupone | and is in user mode IIRC |
| 12:27.26 | _Manu_ | I don't use it |
| 12:27.32 | Tupone | so, it could delay things |
| 12:27.46 | _Manu_ | yes, sure |
| 12:27.56 | Tupone | expecially with a big loaded CPU |
| 12:28.02 | _Manu_ | sometimes can cause conflicts |
| 12:28.22 | _Manu_ | but ubuntu doesn't use gpm default |
| 12:28.54 | Tupone | if you go in test mode and youmove the mouse you don' get nothing? |
| 12:29.00 | _Manu_ | and as he points it's the mouse, it can be his problem |
| 12:29.03 | Tupone | text |
| 12:29.08 | _Manu_ | yes.. |
| 12:29.30 | _Manu_ | Tupone, I'm not running gpm |
| 12:29.47 | Tupone | ok, you could start it :) and play delayed |
| 12:30.00 | _Manu_ | yes but I wont :) |
| 12:30.06 | Tupone | just to give chance to other tank to kill you |
| 12:30.08 | _Manu_ | better he must remove it |
| 12:30.15 | _Manu_ | hehe |
| 12:30.39 | _Manu_ | hmmm what bug? |
| 12:30.46 | ToughShooter | floating point stuff |
| 12:31.00 | ToughShooter | it causes status to be set falling |
| 12:31.56 | _Manu_ | you mean cvs head? |
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| 12:32.48 | _Manu_ | no.. you mean v2_0branch |
| 12:33.29 | ToughShooter | yeah, v2_0branch |
| 12:34.15 | _Manu_ | I know.. :) |
| 12:34.30 | ToughShooter | and the new pos before might also be involved in making invalid hits |
| 12:35.11 | _Manu_ | but my v2_0branch is not updated :/ |
| 12:37.12 | Ice_Wewe | ToughShooter: if you want, I might have a 2.0.5 version of that file that doesn't contain the bug, you could insert that and remake |
| 12:43.51 | ToughShooter | nah, I'm gonna investigating it further before |
| 12:51.35 | Birdie | changing stuff in your config file about shot size is only for your radar and doesnt give influence on the game itself? |
| 12:58.47 | ToughShooter | Hmm, building errors in CVS HEAD inside MacOSX dir...makefile seems to reference a wrong dir :/ |
| 12:59.43 | ToughShooter | Tupone: ping |
| 13:02.02 | Tupone | pong |
| 13:02.28 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, when you don't get problems? ;) |
| 13:02.51 | ToughShooter | At http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am?r1=2.2&r2=2.3 the last change seems to be causing a little bug: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/29203 |
| 13:03.30 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: I am the problem, I'm going to think. :/ |
| 13:03.35 | Tupone | I miss an X :( should be CONF_CXXFLAGS |
| 13:04.13 | Tupone | but also, I don't know why they are not converted to "" |
| 13:04.26 | Tupone | are you using autoconf/automake ? |
| 13:04.59 | ToughShooter | yes |
| 13:06.18 | Tupone | try that, and also re autogen it again |
| 13:07.07 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am: type: CONF_CXFLAGS -> CONF_CXXFLAGS |
| 13:13.57 | Ice_Wewe | now wait 5 hours... lol |
| 13:14.17 | Ice_Wewe | !weather cyow |
| 13:14.19 | Guu | Ice_Wewe: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 28°F. |
| 13:14.25 | Ice_Wewe | brrr |
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| 14:45.33 | ToughShooter | missing @ in makefile.in inside regex dir |
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| 15:10.42 | ToughShooter | tupone missing @ in Makefile.am inside regex dir |
| 15:11.21 | ToughShooter | with that change, too it'll compile fine |
| 15:11.38 | ToughShooter | in CVS HEAD |
| 15:12.55 | Tupone | ok, I will fix that. Please remind me again when I'm home :) |
| 15:13.12 | Tupone | but why you build with regex? |
| 15:13.27 | Tupone | I think you have regex in your system |
| 15:13.37 | Tupone | try configuring --without-regex |
| 15:13.51 | ToughShooter | I just did ./autogen.sh; ./configure --enable-debug |
| 15:13.58 | Tupone | add that |
| 15:14.21 | ToughShooter | but then I won't see errors in the regex dir ;) |
| 15:14.45 | Tupone | I wonder who need regex. Perhaps the poor windows guys |
| 15:15.56 | ToughShooter | for the record, here's the match crash output http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/29226 |
| 15:17.20 | Tupone | so you now have symbols :) |
| 15:18.40 | ToughShooter | yeah, I have changed the xcode script |
| 15:19.02 | ToughShooter | now it always builds with symbols for me |
| 15:19.21 | ToughShooter | oh and the bug was in v2_0branch |
| 15:24.43 | Tupone | are you able to put a break there to see what value flagIndex had |
| 15:24.59 | Chestal | Tupone: I made some small changes to 2.0 yesterday. What's the current procedure to keep the branches in sync? |
| 15:25.45 | Tupone | well, DTR is doing some merge some time. I think he use to flag the branch with some release tag |
| 15:26.43 | Tupone | I suppose that if changes are just some lines, we could forget to merge and just apply to both , branch and head |
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| 16:22.29 | ToughShooter | hmm, how can I look the value? |
| 16:22.52 | ToughShooter | I have a gdb session where it stopped at playing.cxx:2269 |
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| 16:31.44 | ToughShooter | Tupone: pin |
| 16:31.45 | ToughShooter | g |
| 16:31.58 | CBG | Is there likely to be some sort of crash log if my 2.0.5 just randomly crashed? |
| 16:32.59 | Tupone | ToughShooter, pong |
| 16:33.02 | CBG | Or are you not interested in a possible bug in the 2.0.5 Jeff put up for download on the bb? |
| 16:33.10 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I have a gdb session where it stopped at playing.cxx:2269 now my prob is that I don't know how to inspect the value |
| 16:33.20 | Tupone | p is for print |
| 16:33.23 | ToughShooter | gdb help is not very helpful |
| 16:33.35 | Tupone | print <variable name> |
| 16:33.37 | ToughShooter | it maybe only happens with purple |
| 16:34.22 | ToughShooter | print flagIndex: $1 = 3 |
| 16:34.37 | Tupone | I think you can run with the debugger without putting any break, windowed and with confine mouse off |
| 16:34.50 | Tupone | then play until you get the crash |
| 16:35.11 | ToughShooter | I have it being stopped in 2269 |
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| 16:35.19 | ToughShooter | if it continues it'll crash |
| 16:35.25 | Tupone | but is not crashing |
| 16:35.30 | Tupone | are you sure? |
| 16:35.35 | ToughShooter | so I should let it now, ok? |
| 16:35.48 | Tupone | press go |
| 16:36.13 | Tupone | s/press/type/ |
| 16:36.24 | ToughShooter | Tupone: there is no go |
| 16:36.29 | ToughShooter | only continue, AFAIK |
| 16:36.37 | ToughShooter | it doesn't know go ;) |
| 16:36.38 | Tupone | ok |
| 16:36.44 | Tupone | press c |
| 16:39.23 | ToughShooter | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/29260 |
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| 16:39.50 | Tupone | now prinf flagIndex |
| 16:40.01 | ToughShooter | prinf? |
| 16:40.05 | Tupone | print |
| 16:40.33 | ToughShooter | $2 = 3 |
| 16:40.42 | ToughShooter | trying again gave $3 = 3 |
| 16:40.47 | Tupone | p world->getFlag(int(flagIndex)) |
| 16:40.59 | ToughShooter | thanks for having so much patience |
| 16:42.08 | ToughShooter | parse error |
| 16:42.30 | Tupone | p world->getFlag(3) |
| 16:43.09 | ToughShooter | too few arguments :/ |
| 16:43.30 | Tupone | how many flag do you have ? |
| 16:43.43 | ToughShooter | 2 |
| 16:43.55 | ToughShooter | one red and one purple, I'm in the purple team |
| 16:43.55 | Tupone | so seems 3 is wrong |
| 16:44.19 | Tupone | are you wanting me to ssh and debug it ? |
| 16:44.24 | ToughShooter | I don't remember it crashes with any other team than purple |
| 16:44.32 | ToughShooter | umm, ok |
| 16:44.36 | Tupone | do you have screen there |
| 16:44.52 | ToughShooter | screen? |
| 16:45.20 | Tupone | an utility to share a screen |
| 16:45.36 | Chestal | screen is essential |
| 16:45.46 | ToughShooter | not that I know |
| 16:45.50 | ToughShooter | :( |
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| 16:54.08 | Tupone | http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/ |
| 16:55.35 | ToughShooter | ok, I try that |
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| 18:23.31 | ToughShooter | okay, it doesn't happen in red team. they get a laughter (spelling?) when the match has started |
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| 18:32.20 | spldart | Just banned a 24.15.179.85 for using my tankname.... Look out for him guys and don't think it's me |
| 18:32.50 | RPG_ | IP: 24.15.179.85 |
| 18:32.50 | RPG_ | Country: United States |
| 18:32.50 | RPG_ | City: Downers Grove, Illinois |
| 18:32.57 | RPG_ | this guy's been around a few times |
| 18:33.19 | spldart | IC.. |
| 18:33.21 | Tupone | hmm how do we know him is him and not you, and not you being him? |
| 18:33.35 | spldart | You saw me log in didn't you ? ;) |
| 18:33.50 | spldart | me = houston.res.rr.com |
| 18:34.07 | ruskie | erm tankname eve :) |
| 18:34.08 | ToughShooter | you have a +, correct? |
| 18:34.08 | RPG_ | ~dns 24.15.87.171 |
| 18:34.18 | spldart | I'm always spldart |
| 18:34.24 | RPG_ | ~dns 24.15.179.85 |
| 18:34.37 | RPG_ | first one was me, second one was the cheater |
| 18:34.45 | RPG_ | this guy lives like 3 miles away from me! |
| 18:34.47 | ToughShooter | then the opponent has either - or no +|@ |
| 18:35.10 | spldart | ~dns 67.10.221.4 |
| 18:36.14 | ToughShooter | there is no real way you can know that it's me other than using in-game authentication signs :/ |
| 18:36.25 | spldart | I'm global... with teh + :D |
| 18:37.23 | spldart | I'm logged in my server under bzadmin as splbot administrator... He came in as Spldart... i'm usually spldart+ |
| 18:37.43 | spldart | anywho... just giving a heads up that he's being a butthead.... the impersonator |
| 18:38.59 | ToughShooter | I remember I choosed this callsign, then a few weeks later another player with the callsign "Sharpshooter" came |
| 18:40.11 | RPG_ | sharpshooter is an 11 year old |
| 18:40.18 | spldart | I've never had a problem with someone else having chosen my username by chance... It's unique |
| 18:40.45 | ToughShooter | RPG_: ? |
| 18:41.00 | ToughShooter | 11 year old nick or 11 year old human |
| 18:41.04 | RPG_ | 11 year old human |
| 18:41.15 | spldart | 11 year old feregei |
| 18:41.20 | spldart | ferengie |
| 18:41.25 | ToughShooter | yeah, he acts like this ;) |
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| 18:43.39 | spldart | What's everybodies favorite linux movie/avi/mpg/dvd player? I'm using totem on two machines and xine on one |
| 18:44.33 | ToughShooter | I wonder why there is no attibute like CTFonly for maps. I've seen quite a few version for FFA etc and an extra one for CTF.. |
| 18:45.28 | ToughShooter | if objects inside could be marked there would be no need for that extra stuff :/ |
| 18:51.01 | ruskie | spldart, mplayer :) |
| 18:52.17 | spldart | I didn't notice mplayer in the apt-cache... Is it more of a manual install thing? |
| 18:52.28 | ruskie | doubt it |
| 18:52.33 | spldart | ic |
| 18:52.37 | ruskie | but then I don't use debian and derivates |
| 18:52.59 | spldart | was thinking of doing rip's with linux too.. seen alot of places prefer mplayer that are associated with that activity |
| 18:53.08 | ruskie | mplayer and mencoder |
| 18:53.16 | spldart | mencoder? |
| 18:53.22 | ruskie | basicaly if mplayer can't play it you're hard to find something else that will |
| 18:53.24 | ruskie | yup |
| 18:53.28 | ruskie | mplayer's encoder |
| 18:53.37 | spldart | hrm |
| 18:53.43 | spldart | I'll look into that |
| 18:53.52 | ruskie | http://www.mplayerhq.hu |
| 18:54.05 | spldart | I'm encoding mpeg 1 and mpeg 2 into avi using divx 3.11 and 5.xx |
| 18:54.16 | spldart | I was looking at that site the other day |
| 18:54.25 | Ice_Wewe | problem with 2.1 source... |
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| 18:55.20 | Ice_Wewe | 3rd line (or so) of src/regex/Makefile.am is @CONF_CPPFLAG, needs to be @CONF_CPPFLAGS@ |
| 18:55.40 | Ice_Wewe | will not compile without this change |
| 18:55.50 | spldart | Hi Jeff |
| 18:55.58 | spldart | Thanks ruskie |
| 18:56.12 | spldart | I'll look into mplayer and the encoder |
| 18:56.24 | Ice_Wewe | nuts that tupone isn't here, JeffM2501, maybe you could update the file? |
| 18:56.27 | spldart | gotta braze my old hot rod's radiator now :) |
| 18:56.32 | spldart | sprung a leak |
| 18:56.44 | Ice_Wewe | spldart: good luck |
| 18:56.45 | JeffM2501 | what file? |
| 18:56.53 | Ice_Wewe | 3rd line (or so) of src/regex/Makefile.am is @CONF_CPPFLAG, needs to be @CONF_CPPFLAGS@ |
| 18:57.01 | Ice_Wewe | problem with 2.1 source... |
| 18:57.04 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 or 2.1 ? |
| 18:57.07 | JeffM2501 | only 2.1 ? |
| 18:57.09 | Ice_Wewe | yes |
| 18:57.24 | Ice_Wewe | only 2.1 |
| 18:57.39 | Ice_Wewe | ohh, another error! |
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| 18:57.45 | Ice_Wewe | buildDate.cxx:27:1: warning: "BZ_PROTO_VERSION" redefined |
| 18:57.45 | Ice_Wewe | buildDate.cxx:25:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition |
| 18:57.45 | Ice_Wewe | buildDate.cxx:24: error: expected unqualified-id before '<<' token |
| 18:57.46 | JeffM2501 | so it nees a @ at the end? |
| 18:57.52 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: correct |
| 18:57.55 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:58.03 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I knew how to fix that one, but I'm stuck on this build date thing |
| 18:58.05 | Tupone | Ice_Wewe, probably a merge loclly |
| 18:58.27 | Tupone | Ice_Wewe, you changed it, and I too |
| 18:58.31 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/regex/Makefile.am: apeantly it needs a @ at the end |
| 18:58.36 | Ice_Wewe | Cool, thanks |
| 18:58.40 | JeffM2501 | I don't use the makefiles, so I just need to be told what to do :) |
| 18:58.50 | Ice_Wewe | Tupone, JeffM2501 perhaps you could help me with this date bug |
| 18:59.09 | Tupone | Ice_Wewe, remove it and update again |
| 18:59.09 | JeffM2501 | well the best thing is to start of with a nice resurant |
| 18:59.15 | JeffM2501 | then tell her you like her eyes |
| 18:59.23 | JeffM2501 | don't look at her chest all the time ether |
| 18:59.37 | JeffM2501 | it's also good to ask what her name means |
| 18:59.46 | Ice_Wewe | nevermind |
| 18:59.59 | JeffM2501 | if it's makefile date stuff I will be of little help |
| 19:00.01 | SportChick | ahem |
| 19:00.09 | Ice_Wewe | it failed because somone updated the buildDate.cxx that I modified... |
| 19:00.09 | SportChick | don't look at her chest AT ALL |
| 19:00.23 | Ice_Wewe | hehe |
| 19:00.24 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, to not look at all is an insult |
| 19:00.32 | JeffM2501 | all things in moderation |
| 19:00.38 | SportChick | JeffM2501: it completely depends |
| 19:00.52 | SportChick | JeffM2501: 9/10 times it is a complete insult to look |
| 19:00.56 | JeffM2501 | there is a reason that people wear nice clothes |
| 19:00.57 | Ice_Wewe | SportChick: you get insulted if he stares at it, if he just glaces at it once in a while, I think that'd be fine |
| 19:01.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah staring is allways bad |
| 19:01.11 | JeffM2501 | talking to them is worse |
| 19:01.12 | SportChick | Ice_Wewe: you are obviously not a girl |
| 19:01.23 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: lol, so that's why I got slapped! |
| 19:01.26 | JeffM2501 | so you don't like it when we apricate your form? |
| 19:01.37 | Ice_Wewe | SportChick: yes, but if I was, I wouldn't mind my chest ornaments |
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| 19:01.48 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, yes you would |
| 19:01.52 | JeffM2501 | and they are not onraments |
| 19:01.57 | JeffM2501 | I see why you get slaped now |
| 19:02.09 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, did mozul go get a nep mobo and CPU? |
| 19:02.23 | SportChick | JeffM2501: not yet. I think he's still deciding what he wants to do |
| 19:02.28 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 19:02.33 | JeffM2501 | the fry's deal is very good |
| 19:02.39 | JeffM2501 | if it's within your budget |
| 19:02.43 | SportChick | JeffM2501: we are strapped for cash at the moment, so I think he's seriously considering the $25 sound card option |
| 19:03.14 | JeffM2501 | well the new mobos and stuff will only get cheaper :) |
| 19:03.26 | JeffM2501 | and you can probably get a sound card for under 10$ |
| 19:03.37 | Ice_Wewe | buildDate.cxx:24: error: expected unqualified-id before '<<' token |
| 19:03.40 | menotume | hmmm, $1500 for a bike, $25 for a soundcard - Where are your priorities !?!?!? |
| 19:03.43 | SportChick | JeffM2501: yeah, I'm sure. It's just that we had to put a deposit on something we expected to hve been reimbursed for by now and we weren't. and with the holidays coming.. |
| 19:03.57 | SportChick | menotume: hehe, well the bike was a birthday present |
| 19:04.01 | menotume | :) |
| 19:04.06 | JeffM2501 | what did he get for his birthday? |
| 19:04.08 | menotume | j/k ! |
| 19:04.12 | SportChick | he got a bike too :) |
| 19:04.14 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 19:04.15 | Ice_Wewe | Tupone: buildDate.cxx:24: error: expected unqualified-id before '<<' token (and this is caused by?) |
| 19:04.18 | SportChick | (but his birthday isn't until December) |
| 19:04.22 | SportChick | we just got ours at the same time |
| 19:04.25 | SportChick | he was jealous of mine |
| 19:04.28 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, asking multiple times won't get you an aswer |
| 19:04.36 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: but asking the right people should |
| 19:04.38 | Tupone | Ice_Wewe, due to merge |
| 19:04.54 | Ice_Wewe | Tupone: erase and start over? |
| 19:04.55 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, yes but ask once, not multiple times, wait for somone to actualy LOOK at it |
| 19:05.01 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: ok |
| 19:05.01 | Tupone | Ice_Wewe, remove the whole file and update again |
| 19:05.07 | Ice_Wewe | Tupone: got it |
| 19:05.29 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, tell him there are some sound cards that are $5 |
| 19:05.35 | SportChick | JeffM2501: hehe |
| 19:05.56 | SportChick | JeffM2501: well, I think he figures if he DOES get a soundcard, he'd want something that at least is worth keeping :) |
| 19:06.04 | JeffM2501 | no, not really |
| 19:06.11 | JeffM2501 | the new motherboard when he gets one |
| 19:06.15 | JeffM2501 | will have good onboard sound |
| 19:06.20 | JeffM2501 | they all do |
| 19:06.24 | JeffM2501 | so just cheap out |
| 19:06.37 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I thought there was a 5 hour delay in updating CVS, I just grabbed it again, and your file fix was in it... |
| 19:06.40 | Tupone | hmm ... I think a good sound card is not so cheap |
| 19:06.49 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, it's not a 5 hour delay, it's every 5 hours |
| 19:06.52 | JeffM2501 | big dif :) |
| 19:07.04 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: ahh, I see |
| 19:07.07 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, for linux, no it's not, for windows, it can be |
| 19:07.21 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, he's just geting one that's a holdover till he replaces the system |
| 19:07.31 | Tupone | JeffM2501, are you sure, a sound card with low noise jack? |
| 19:07.34 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, I think you are going to have more problems with that mobo till it's replaced |
| 19:07.38 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: don't 99.9% of motherboards have built-in sound these days? I know mine does, even my P3 has it! |
| 19:07.43 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I'm sure we will |
| 19:07.46 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, sblives are cheap |
| 19:08.02 | Tupone | but they are not good for a club ... to make real music |
| 19:08.09 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I'm actually trying to encourage him to go that route right now, but I really want it to be his decision. He worries more about finances than I do |
| 19:08.18 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, well... since they are at a HOUSE I think they will be fine :) |
| 19:08.24 | Ice_Wewe | Tupone: so you'd want something with SPDIF? My motherboard was only $80, and it has it! |
| 19:08.43 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, understandable, the mobo took a shock, it can't be good, more will fail |
| 19:08.51 | JeffM2501 | the 3500 is a very good processor |
| 19:08.53 | Ice_Wewe | menotume, and SportChick, married? |
| 19:08.55 | Tupone | I need a sound card to get sound from a mixer, and forward it |
| 19:09.06 | JeffM2501 | we got one for a friend and it's great |
| 19:09.40 | Tupone | SPDIF is not a standard mixer output I guess |
| 19:09.54 | Tupone | at least the models we have |
| 19:10.00 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: how come AMD has names like 3200, and 3800, the price is different, yet the clock speed is the same... |
| 19:10.03 | SportChick | Ice_Wewe: don't start spreading rumors |
| 19:10.04 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, ther are some recoding level cards that do that, they have good breakout boxes, with XLR connectors |
| 19:10.15 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, becuse the guts are difrent |
| 19:10.21 | JeffM2501 | clock speed != performance |
| 19:10.25 | Tupone | JeffM2501, any url ? |
| 19:10.35 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: so does that mean that a 3800 will actually do more work than a 3200? |
| 19:10.46 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I can find out for you, my friend is a musican and has one, it's wired into his rack |
| 19:10.46 | Ice_Wewe | SportChick: well if it's true, then what is to rumor? |
| 19:10.59 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, yeah in general |
| 19:11.28 | Ice_Wewe | SportChick: then why did JeffM2501 say you lived in the same house? |
| 19:11.34 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, it's the same reason the PentiumD's don't have clock speed anymore :) |
| 19:11.41 | SportChick | Ice_Wewe: I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 19:11.43 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, I didn't I said mozul |
| 19:11.53 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: oh. my bad |
| 19:11.59 | Tupone | don't buy pentium-D please :( |
| 19:12.01 | Ice_Wewe | SportChick: sorry, mizunderstanding |
| 19:12.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah they suck |
| 19:12.07 | JeffM2501 | and suck hard |
| 19:12.15 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, you read the article on hyperthreading? |
| 19:12.18 | Ice_Wewe | Tupone: don't worry, as soon as I have a dough, I'm ditch intel and going to AMD64 |
| 19:12.27 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: can I have the link, I'd like to read it |
| 19:12.33 | Tupone | nope, I am more concerned on Trusted computing :( |
| 19:12.36 | JeffM2501 | it was a slashdot |
| 19:12.44 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, yeah that too |
| 19:12.51 | JeffM2501 | intel is in a big bind |
| 19:13.04 | JeffM2501 | basicly the hyperthreading actualy slows DOWN on lots of threads |
| 19:13.12 | JeffM2501 | many server mfgs are recomending it be turned off |
| 19:14.36 | Tupone | I have followed the Sony rootkit story. Very interesting on how the security company protect us from malware :/ |
| 19:14.44 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: so that means that I might get more power out of my CPU if I turned it off? |
| 19:14.55 | Ice_Wewe | Is AMD the same way? with HyperTransport. |
| 19:15.03 | _Manu_ | Tupone, I also followed it.. bad thing |
| 19:15.06 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, not more power, it bogs down less |
| 19:15.31 | JeffM2501 | and hyper transport is memory bus and pipelingin stuff, so no it dosn't seem to show the same problems |
| 19:15.48 | JeffM2501 | hyperthreading shows up as a second CPU, and screws up stuff in the OS it seems |
| 19:16.01 | JeffM2501 | since the OS thinks its a full CPU |
| 19:16.09 | _Manu_ | Tupone, and no legal at Spain |
| 19:16.24 | JeffM2501 | basicly AMD is kicking Intels butt all over the performnace map |
| 19:16.37 | JeffM2501 | and with EMT64, all over the compatability map |
| 19:17.22 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: if I wanted to download a 64bit system, would it be x86_64, or something else? |
| 19:17.42 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, depends on what distro you run |
| 19:17.53 | JeffM2501 | I installed the AMD64 ubuntu with out problem |
| 19:18.07 | JeffM2501 | each distro seems to name it difrent :) |
| 19:18.37 | RPG_ | all I know is that FC4 doesn't do it very well |
| 19:18.48 | JeffM2501 | it's probable |
| 19:18.56 | JeffM2501 | the older distros are worse |
| 19:19.00 | JeffM2501 | old ubuntu had issues |
| 19:19.06 | JeffM2501 | I think FC5 will be good |
| 19:19.30 | RPG_ | hope so |
| 19:19.33 | JeffM2501 | ubuntu is a nice easy install tho |
| 19:19.40 | JeffM2501 | what do you need that is only in FC? |
| 19:19.54 | RPG_ | nothing |
| 19:20.00 | RPG_ | i just installed FC4 as a first-timer |
| 19:20.01 | JeffM2501 | then why stick with it? |
| 19:20.11 | JeffM2501 | swap to ubuntu |
| 19:20.12 | JeffM2501 | it's easy |
| 19:20.15 | RPG_ | i've had people tell me all different distros |
| 19:20.19 | RPG_ | it got so confusing |
| 19:20.21 | JeffM2501 | I've installed both |
| 19:20.26 | JeffM2501 | they are both easy to install |
| 19:20.32 | JeffM2501 | FC is more grahical |
| 19:20.38 | JeffM2501 | but Ubuntu is prety simple |
| 19:20.56 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: so would this suit an AMD64? Mandriva-Linux-Free-2006-CD1.x86_64.iso |
| 19:21.13 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, dono, you'd have to read the docs |
| 19:21.21 | JeffM2501 | there are 2 types of 64 bit "x68" |
| 19:21.33 | JeffM2501 | the AMD64 and the Itanium 64 stuff |
| 19:21.36 | JeffM2501 | they are not the same |
| 19:21.41 | Ice_Wewe | got it |
| 19:21.58 | JeffM2501 | basicly see what they recomend for the AMDs and New Pentium/Zenons |
| 19:22.08 | JeffM2501 | EMT64 is compatable toi AMD64 |
| 19:22.20 | JeffM2501 | and that's whats in the non itanium stuff form intel |
| 19:22.24 | JeffM2501 | tho it's flakey |
| 19:22.34 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: ok |
| 19:22.37 | RPG_ | has AMD come out with a TC compliant model yet? |
| 19:22.43 | JeffM2501 | bestTC? |
| 19:22.47 | JeffM2501 | tC? |
| 19:22.56 | Ice_Wewe | after hearing about the HT in intel, I'm going running to AMD as fast as my legs can carry me |
| 19:22.59 | RPG_ | trusted computing |
| 19:23.07 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, I don't think so |
| 19:23.14 | JeffM2501 | not sure if they are big on it |
| 19:23.28 | JeffM2501 | they are rooling in the cash from the dual cores |
| 19:23.31 | JeffM2501 | and the opterons |
| 19:23.52 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, the best bang/buck right now seems to be the 3500+ |
| 19:24.03 | JeffM2501 | everyone is dumping them to make room for the X2s |
| 19:24.13 | RPG_ | i'm going for the dual core one when the 3000+ burns out |
| 19:24.25 | JeffM2501 | you can get a 3500+ with a mobo that does AGP and PCI-E for 200$ |
| 19:24.40 | RPG_ | AGP AND PCI-E? |
| 19:24.45 | JeffM2501 | yah |
| 19:24.52 | RPG_ | are PCI and PCI-E the same type of connection? |
| 19:24.52 | JeffM2501 | there are a couple chipsets that can do it |
| 19:24.56 | JeffM2501 | for ease of upgrade |
| 19:25.00 | RPG_ | i.e. can a PCI card fit into a PCI-E slot |
| 19:25.00 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, no |
| 19:25.12 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: well here a 3200 or a 3000 seem to be the best bang for the buck |
| 19:25.14 | JeffM2501 | depends on the PCI=e slot |
| 19:25.26 | Ice_Wewe | a 3000+ is $150, and a 3200+ is $190 |
| 19:25.37 | JeffM2501 | a PCI-E 1x slot is too small for an old PCI32 card |
| 19:25.52 | JeffM2501 | I think the 4x slots will take them |
| 19:25.56 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: way to small, there is no way it'd fit, you can tell just by looking |
| 19:25.58 | JeffM2501 | dono about the 16x ones |
| 19:26.14 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: 16x wont, that is mainly for graphics cards |
| 19:26.16 | JeffM2501 | the 16x ones are the big ones that video cards go in |
| 19:26.23 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I don't even think they can take anything but a video card |
| 19:26.25 | RPG_ | JeffM2501: doyou have a link for that 3500+ and mobo for $200 offer? |
| 19:26.28 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, some big slots take smaller cards |
| 19:26.34 | JeffM2501 | frys |
| 19:26.37 | RPG_ | ahh |
| 19:26.47 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, its online at outpost for 219 |
| 19:27.43 | RPG_ | is the mobo good though? |
| 19:27.53 | JeffM2501 | it's not the best mobo in the world |
| 19:27.58 | JeffM2501 | expect to replace it at some point |
| 19:28.02 | JeffM2501 | but it gets you in the door |
| 19:28.20 | JeffM2501 | basicly there are other chipsts that are faster, but then you'd also have to get a new video card |
| 19:28.38 | JeffM2501 | if you are geting a new video card ANYway, get a Nforce 3 or 4 mobo |
| 19:28.50 | JeffM2501 | but if you want to upgrade incrementaly, it's not a bad way |
| 19:28.55 | RPG_ | i want to make the switch to PCI-E, without a big hit to the budget |
| 19:29.23 | JeffM2501 | figure you are going to spend 200$ on a good PCI-E gaming card |
| 19:29.52 | Ice_Wewe | I'm going with AMD64 with AGP at first, then later I dump the cheap mobo, and AGP videocard, and go PCI-E |
| 19:30.04 | JeffM2501 | that is a common upgrade path these days |
| 19:30.06 | RPG_ | Ice_Wewe: i'd start straight wiht PCI-E |
| 19:30.12 | ruskie | 30529 songs Total playtime: 729:30:16 <-- mmmm a months worth of music in my playlist :) |
| 19:30.21 | JeffM2501 | the CPU is a big chunk of the cost of the computer |
| 19:30.27 | JeffM2501 | going RIGHT to PCI-E can double the cost |
| 19:30.43 | JeffM2501 | so it depends on your budget |
| 19:30.47 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_: its all $$$ |
| 19:30.47 | JeffM2501 | going up increment isn't bad |
| 19:31.02 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_: and unless I sell my P4, and go PCless for a few weeks, I wont be able to do that |
| 19:31.13 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_: not even sure if selling my P4 would get me enough money |
| 19:31.39 | JeffM2501 | as long as you are ok with spending another 80ish$ when you get your new video card, increment upgrade isn't bad |
| 19:31.52 | Ice_Wewe | what is AGP Express? |
| 19:31.53 | JeffM2501 | everyt step gets you at least some speed boost |
| 19:32.01 | JeffM2501 | deoends who's saying it |
| 19:32.16 | JeffM2501 | 1 type of AGP express is an AGP slot that is tied into a PCI-E slot |
| 19:32.18 | Ice_Wewe | If I had one of those piggyback cards, I could use my AGP card |
| 19:32.36 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, those have bad compatability problems |
| 19:32.43 | Ice_Wewe | Albatron makes an AGP to PCI-E card for people who wanna do what I'm doing, the only problem is, I don't have a half-height card |
| 19:32.45 | JeffM2501 | the actual pigyback ones |
| 19:32.54 | RPG_ | I was planning to buy a PCI-E mobo for around $150, using the 3000+ from my old mobo, and getting a $100ish video card |
| 19:32.56 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: ok, another reason not to get it |
| 19:33.04 | JeffM2501 | it works best whent he bios makes it show as a real AGP slot to the OS |
| 19:33.11 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, what card? |
| 19:33.16 | RPG_ | havn't decided |
| 19:33.21 | RPG_ | the one closest to $100 |
| 19:33.25 | RPG_ | nVidia, hopefully |
| 19:33.27 | JeffM2501 | 6600 then |
| 19:33.28 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_: I would go with something from XFX or PNY |
| 19:33.32 | JeffM2501 | don't waste your money |
| 19:33.34 | RPG_ | i hear they have good linux drivers |
| 19:33.43 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_: Oh they do! |
| 19:33.53 | RPG_ | ATI's linux drivers were borderline on OK |
| 19:33.54 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_: 30 seconds and you're done |
| 19:33.56 | JeffM2501 | spend 200 on a 6800 |
| 19:34.01 | JeffM2501 | it's a big dif |
| 19:34.07 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, what card do you have now? |
| 19:34.12 | RPG_ | Radeon 9250 |
| 19:34.12 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_: ATi doesn't have 64 bit drivers last I heard |
| 19:34.19 | RPG_ | Ice_Wewe: they don't |
| 19:34.29 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_: another reason why I use nVidia |
| 19:34.35 | JeffM2501 | the 6600s will be faster then that |
| 19:34.39 | JeffM2501 | but not by a huge amount |
| 19:34.47 | RPG_ | i just want somethign that will play BF2 |
| 19:34.55 | JeffM2501 | then use your existing card |
| 19:35.27 | RPG_ | it won't do it |
| 19:35.39 | RPG_ | they say they suport Radeon 8500 and up |
| 19:35.46 | JeffM2501 | you won't be happy with a 6600 |
| 19:35.49 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: GeForce 6600GT PCI-E SLi |
| 19:35.51 | RPG_ | but in reality, it's 8500 and up *except* for the 9250 |
| 19:36.09 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: you could probably get 2 of the 6600GTs for the price of one 6800GT |
| 19:36.09 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, SLI needs a special mobo, costs about 100$ more |
| 19:36.20 | JeffM2501 | and no SLI support in linux |
| 19:36.21 | JeffM2501 | yet |
| 19:36.26 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: does Linux have support for SLi? Last I heard they didn't |
| 19:36.29 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:36.29 | Ice_Wewe | nuts |
| 19:36.32 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't |
| 19:36.34 | JeffM2501 | and even when it does |
| 19:36.45 | JeffM2501 | it's not the same as having a single faster card |
| 19:36.47 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: so if there isn't SLi support in linux, then what happens if you have SLi? |
| 19:36.47 | JeffM2501 | I have SLI now |
| 19:36.53 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, it dosn't use it |
| 19:36.59 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: so it only uses one card? |
| 19:37.00 | JeffM2501 | it just uses one GPU |
| 19:37.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:37.17 | JeffM2501 | even when you have SLI, you have to turn on difrent SLI profiles for each game |
| 19:37.18 | Ice_Wewe | wow, that *sucks* |
| 19:37.22 | JeffM2501 | it is NOT a general solution |
| 19:37.30 | JeffM2501 | that's why I say get a 6800GS |
| 19:37.35 | JeffM2501 | it's a lot better |
| 19:37.46 | JeffM2501 | and the card is only 200$ |
| 19:37.58 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.00 | JeffM2501 | take the cash you save on the non SLI mobo and spend it on a better card |
| 19:38.10 | JeffM2501 | it's a realy good card |
| 19:38.15 | JeffM2501 | they over clock well |
| 19:38.35 | JeffM2501 | I'll be soon geting 2 to replace my 6600 GTXs |
| 19:38.39 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: should I wait and get a 3200+ or save $50 and get a 3000+? |
| 19:38.59 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, dono, never used ether of those |
| 19:39.04 | JeffM2501 | read and see how well they OC |
| 19:39.25 | JeffM2501 | my 3800X2 overclocks to high hell |
| 19:39.46 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: aren't AMDs known for being able to overclock through the roof? |
| 19:39.54 | RPG_ | heh, not my AMD |
| 19:40.01 | JeffM2501 | depends |
| 19:40.04 | JeffM2501 | some better then others |
| 19:40.05 | RPG_ | i overclocked just a tiny bit, and it corrupted WIndows |
| 19:40.14 | JeffM2501 | the FX line is the best OC system |
| 19:40.17 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_: and it wasn't corrupted to begin with? |
| 19:40.20 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, what do you have now? |
| 19:40.28 | RPG_ | i'm running it at stock |
| 19:40.37 | JeffM2501 | it's a 30064? |
| 19:40.37 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: why? is it a different core design? |
| 19:40.45 | RPG_ | 3000+ 64 |
| 19:40.46 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, unlocked multipyers |
| 19:40.51 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, how old? |
| 19:40.55 | RPG_ | feburary |
| 19:41.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah older one |
| 19:41.11 | JeffM2501 | the older ones with the old die don't OC that well |
| 19:41.12 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: hehe, sweet |
| 19:41.14 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.14 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.37 | JeffM2501 | the 3500 is basicly a 3800 X2 just with a single core |
| 19:42.05 | RPG_ | so in theory, the X2 is double the power of the 2500? |
| 19:42.07 | RPG_ | *3500 |
| 19:42.09 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:42.13 | JeffM2501 | dosnt' work like that |
| 19:42.16 | JeffM2501 | it just has 2 cores |
| 19:42.24 | JeffM2501 | so it can do 2 things at the same time |
| 19:42.28 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_: an X2 is 2 processors on one chip, each with their own cache... |
| 19:42.56 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_: its like 2 CPUs (acutal processors) in one socket |
| 19:42.59 | JeffM2501 | an X2 dosn't take a piece of code and just automaticly make it run 2x faster |
| 19:43.23 | JeffM2501 | but it can do multi threaded / multi task stuff a lot better |
| 19:43.31 | JeffM2501 | a dual core system "feels" a lot faster |
| 19:43.45 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: does an X2 have HT? does that mean it shows up as 4 CPUs? |
| 19:43.49 | RPG_ | i konw, but say you have 100 threads waiting to be processed, with a 3500 let's say that'll take 100ms. If you did it with an X2, you ahve two 3500's working at once, which could get it done in 50ms. |
| 19:43.50 | JeffM2501 | since stuff like copying a file dosn't slow down other tasks |
| 19:44.01 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, hyperthreading is an intel thing |
| 19:44.04 | JeffM2501 | not an AMD thing |
| 19:44.25 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: AMD is HyperTransport, which uses the same 2 letters to identify itself |
| 19:44.30 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, there is a bit of overhad, both cores share the same ram bus |
| 19:44.33 | JeffM2501 | so it's not a full 2x |
| 19:44.37 | JeffM2501 | but its faster then 1x |
| 19:44.38 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: so HT applies to both AMD and intel |
| 19:44.54 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I thought X2 was actually 2 processors on one chip, is it not? |
| 19:44.55 | JeffM2501 | but hyper transport is NOT the same thing |
| 19:44.59 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, it's 2 cores |
| 19:45.08 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: that is what I thought |
| 19:45.11 | JeffM2501 | hyper transport dosn't show as another CPU |
| 19:45.15 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: ahh, ok |
| 19:45.35 | JeffM2501 | hyper transport is basicly the onboard memory controller and a mehtod to make sure the pipeline is optimised |
| 19:45.43 | JeffM2501 | so it helps with a context swap |
| 19:46.21 | JeffM2501 | now the dual core intel systems that do have hyper threading, do show as 4 cpus |
| 19:46.21 | JeffM2501 | and that seems to have ,more problems |
| 19:46.41 | JeffM2501 | each core on the X2 do share a number of the common services on the chip |
| 19:46.50 | JeffM2501 | like the memory controller, IO paths, and stuff like that |
| 19:46.59 | JeffM2501 | so it's not the same as 2 real CPUs |
| 19:47.06 | JeffM2501 | where each has it's own bus |
| 19:47.12 | JeffM2501 | but it is a lot cheaper |
| 19:53.02 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, what speed ram do you have now? |
| 19:53.23 | RPG_ | 2 512 sticks, i get DDR out of it |
| 19:53.38 | JeffM2501 | what speed? |
| 19:53.43 | JeffM2501 | and it's dual channel |
| 19:53.46 | JeffM2501 | not DDR |
| 19:53.52 | JeffM2501 | since each stick itself is DDR :) |
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| 19:54.21 | RPG_ | don't know the speed |
| 19:54.26 | JeffM2501 | you should find out |
| 19:54.32 | JeffM2501 | newer CPUs want 3200 |
| 19:54.52 | RPG_ | 200MhZ? |
| 19:54.59 | JeffM2501 | then it's 3200 |
| 19:55.00 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 19:55.07 | RPG_ | how do you figure that? |
| 19:55.23 | JeffM2501 | because PC3200 is the only stuff that runs at 200mhz :) |
| 19:55.27 | RPG_ | anyone here know javascript? |
| 19:55.38 | blast007 | RPG_: I do |
| 19:56.04 | ToughShooter | Hmm, my mem identifies itself as "PC3200U-30330" |
| 19:56.32 | JeffM2501 | yup normal dual channel stuff |
| 19:56.44 | JeffM2501 | it's the common ram in todays CPUs |
| 19:56.49 | ToughShooter | What does the U stand for? |
| 19:57.00 | JeffM2501 | un buffered probably |
| 19:57.29 | JeffM2501 | dual channel is so comon that most places sell em in pairs now |
| 19:57.49 | ToughShooter | I don't use dual channel |
| 19:58.04 | JeffM2501 | you have more then one dimm? |
| 19:58.07 | ToughShooter | 1*512 + 1*1024 |
| 19:58.10 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 19:58.13 | JeffM2501 | dude I'm sorry |
| 19:58.27 | JeffM2501 | if your mobo was capable of it, then it would speed it up a fair amount |
| 19:59.09 | menotume | SportChick: I want a divorce !! |
| 19:59.31 | JeffM2501 | menotume, is she not treating you in the manner in wich you are acussomed too? |
| 19:59.39 | menotume | :) |
| 19:59.41 | ToughShooter | menotume: You would need to marry first ;) |
| 20:00.06 | menotume | It was a shotgun marriage |
| 20:00.27 | menotume | didn't even see it coming |
| 20:01.06 | ToughShooter | ~es en las vegas |
| 20:01.24 | ToughShooter | ~x es en las vegas |
| 20:01.54 | ToughShooter | Ah, married in the fertile valleys? :o |
| 20:02.09 | JeffM2501 | reno is a better place |
| 20:02.13 | JeffM2501 | the river is nice |
| 20:03.29 | ToughShooter | in germany marrying needs months, regardless of where inside the country, AFAIK |
| 20:04.01 | JeffM2501 | probably cuts down on starter marages |
| 20:05.17 | ToughShooter | we have a lot of bureaucracy |
| 20:06.47 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.52 | JeffM2501 | Swoony my self with the smolder looks, Parsing that gaze for the right intention |
| 20:07.35 | Chestal | hmm, someone knows how vsync is supposed to work tigerther with gl application? |
| 20:08.06 | Chestal | I have to add glxWaitGL or glFinish to get useful results |
| 20:08.06 | JeffM2501 | IIRC when it's on, the swap call blocks till it's done |
| 20:08.12 | Chestal | but both seem to do busy waiting :-( |
| 20:08.35 | Chestal | so, CPU is still up at 100%, but at least it's smooth |
| 20:08.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah basicly |
| 20:08.54 | JeffM2501 | it just means it dosnt' shear |
| 20:08.55 | Chestal | since latest kernel/gl drievrs update, the simpel sleep based fps limiting gives no smooth results naymore |
| 20:09.09 | Chestal | and without fps limit, it#s almost smooth, but not as good as before |
| 20:09.14 | JeffM2501 | you'd want to move GL to it's own thread to do vsync and free up time |
| 20:09.33 | Chestal | just wondering why the gl wait calls have to do polling, that just seems wrong |
| 20:09.58 | Chestal | and without the call I added, it gives bogus results here |
| 20:10.13 | JeffM2501 | may depend on your implemenation |
| 20:10.18 | Chestal | i.e. fps is limited, but bzflag draws frames faster, and every now and then, framres are skipped to catch up |
| 20:11.07 | ToughShooter | I always get one frame per second less than the current fps limit is |
| 20:11.18 | Chestal | which fps limit? the soft one in bz? |
| 20:11.24 | ToughShooter | yeah |
| 20:11.27 | JeffM2501 | shrodengers fps |
| 20:11.30 | Chestal | I get totally different fps |
| 20:11.33 | JeffM2501 | you can't test for the FPS with out affecting it :) |
| 20:11.41 | ToughShooter | spell shrodengers |
| 20:11.42 | Chestal | with odl kernel/driver I got 150 (limited to 100), now I get about 75 |
| 20:11.43 | ToughShooter | ~spell shrodengers |
| 20:11.56 | Chestal | I was happy with the old behvaior, though, it was smooth |
| 20:12.02 | ToughShooter | ~spell schrödingers |
| 20:12.07 | Chestal | now it isn't, and I am not sure what the cause is |
| 20:12.18 | JeffM2501 | the dude with the cat |
| 20:12.20 | Chestal | new Linux kernel runs at a higher HZ rate now, maybe that is related |
| 20:12.22 | JeffM2501 | how ever you spell it |
| 20:12.23 | ToughShooter | :) |
| 20:12.30 | Chestal | trying out different kernels sucks, though |
| 20:13.12 | Chestal | mostly wondering about vsync and how app is synched with GL, how to do it the right way |
| 20:13.41 | Chestal | glx+ATI at least seems to require one of the gl(x) sync calls |
| 20:13.45 | JeffM2501 | check the nvidia site, I bet they have a developer tech note or a simple |
| 20:13.53 | JeffM2501 | they have lots of good stuff |
| 20:14.11 | Chestal | it should be independent on the GL implementation |
| 20:14.16 | Chestal | theoretically |
| 20:14.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:14.22 | JeffM2501 | how often does THAT happen |
| 20:14.29 | JeffM2501 | nvidia often says how it works on many cards |
| 20:14.39 | JeffM2501 | they just have lots of GL samples |
| 20:14.42 | JeffM2501 | they are nice people |
| 20:14.57 | Chestal | have other people here tried vsync with bz? |
| 20:15.09 | JeffM2501 | people turn it on and off |
| 20:15.15 | JeffM2501 | we should make it application controlled |
| 20:15.22 | Chestal | we should make it work first :-) |
| 20:15.37 | JeffM2501 | usualy it depends on the persons card |
| 20:15.42 | JeffM2501 | some work better with and with out |
| 20:15.43 | Chestal | I think LepPulpes 'delayed mouse# is also vsync problem |
| 20:15.45 | JeffM2501 | depending on the frame rate |
| 20:15.56 | JeffM2501 | if the rate is lower then refresh vsync can help |
| 20:16.01 | JeffM2501 | if its' above it may not do a damn thing |
| 20:17.04 | Chestal | IMHO it makes sense that the gl app must explicitly wait for gl to finish |
| 20:17.47 | Chestal | hmm, I coudl strace it, maybe I'll see why it eats up CPU |
| 20:20.13 | JeffM2501 | http://www.d-silence.com/feature.php?id=255 |
| 20:20.20 | JeffM2501 | read the section 2 |
| 20:23.04 | Chestal | yeah, that's rougly how I thought it would work, I am missing some basic knowledge of GL and in this case glx, though to really understand it in-depth. |
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| 20:24.34 | Chestal | hmm, it's only an ioctl |
| 20:24.39 | JeffM2501 | the swap is handled by the OS, so it may vary based on implemenation |
| 20:25.24 | SportChick | menotume: I don't believe in divorce! so it's a good thing we never married! :p |
| 20:33.48 | Chestal | JeffM2501: we swap with SDL here. I can make it work nicely for me, if I just add glFinish() right before that swap call. Still 100% CPU, though |
| 20:34.01 | JeffM2501 | SDL just calls the OS |
| 20:34.19 | JeffM2501 | IIRC GLFinish will just block till it's all done |
| 20:34.32 | Chestal | yes, but it's a black box for me, what exactly SDL does there, probabl yonly clal glXSwapBuffers |
| 20:34.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:34.46 | JeffM2501 | SDL does little with GL |
| 20:34.48 | Chestal | yes, but I don't see why glFInish should do a busy looping block |
| 20:34.51 | JeffM2501 | it mostly just sets up the window |
| 20:34.57 | JeffM2501 | and bastracts the OS calls |
| 20:35.21 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, because it has the OPenGL Implemenation bust it's ass to finish |
| 20:35.27 | JeffM2501 | and I think it just dumb loops |
| 20:35.29 | JeffM2501 | till it's done |
| 20:35.35 | Chestal | which is crap |
| 20:35.50 | JeffM2501 | it's the best way to geive max CPU to the GL to finish :) |
| 20:36.02 | JeffM2501 | GL itself does nothing with threads or sleep |
| 20:36.13 | JeffM2501 | since it's a GL, not a GLX call, it dosn't know your OS |
| 20:36.14 | Chestal | I think the main GL work is done in other process, in X |
| 20:36.17 | Chestal | not 100% sure, though |
| 20:36.31 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, depends on the implemenation |
| 20:36.36 | JeffM2501 | and if you are hardware or software |
| 20:36.38 | Chestal | anyway, using sleep to limit fps manually, the CPU is mostly idle |
| 20:36.45 | Chestal | its silyl that with vsync, it isn't |
| 20:36.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah but sleep is an OS call |
| 20:36.53 | JeffM2501 | GL will not call that internaly |
| 20:37.05 | Chestal | it#s a quality of implementation issdue |
| 20:37.11 | Chestal | it obviously has bad quality as it is |
| 20:37.22 | Chestal | it's jsut strange, when I trace it |
| 20:37.23 | JeffM2501 | hell, the GL may be running on another system :) |
| 20:37.33 | Chestal | the time seems to be spent in an ioctl, but I am not quite sure |
| 20:37.52 | Chestal | it accounts for user, not system time, though |
| 20:38.13 | JeffM2501 | well you could mod your GL implementation :) |
| 20:38.18 | Chestal | as it is now, I'd rather go back to sleep limiting, but tha tisn#t smooth enough anymore since my update |
| 20:38.41 | JeffM2501 | I"m sure somone has had this problem in the past |
| 20:38.48 | JeffM2501 | there must be info on it |
| 20:38.54 | Chestal | I am sure, vsync does not work as is for a lot of people in bz |
| 20:39.07 | JeffM2501 | other games use it |
| 20:39.09 | Chestal | other games have vsync problems, too, doom3 obviosly |
| 20:39.10 | JeffM2501 | other open source games |
| 20:39.14 | Chestal | no, quake3 |
| 20:39.25 | JeffM2501 | well you could see what they do :) |
| 20:39.27 | Chestal | all games which do not call glFinish probably |
| 20:39.40 | Chestal | I am just not sure whether it's the bug in the game or in the gl |
| 20:39.42 | JeffM2501 | maybe they run it in another thread |
| 20:39.44 | JeffM2501 | till it's done |
| 20:40.25 | Chestal | maybe with nividia gl, the swapbuffers call blocks |
| 20:40.30 | Chestal | and with ATI it doesn't |
| 20:41.50 | Chestal | maybe I should've installed the module which allows kernel hotplugging... |
| 20:51.20 | ToughShooter | menotume: ping |
| 20:54.41 | SilentSwan | mmm... lunch |
| 21:10.28 | *** join/#bzflag Water_Wewe (n=Water_We@ppp-216-106-101-47.storm.ca) |
| 21:10.59 | Water_Wewe | !ibot 10.1.1.1:5154 |
| 21:11.00 | Guu | Water_Wewe: Huwwwwat!!?!?! |
| 21:11.04 | Water_Wewe | oops |
| 21:11.09 | Water_Wewe | ~ibot 10.1.1.1:5154 |
| 21:11.19 | RPG_ | ibot logs |
| 21:11.21 | ibot | logs is, like, http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 21:11.43 | Water_Wewe | nevermind |
| 21:11.45 | *** part/#bzflag Water_Wewe (n=Water_We@ppp-216-106-101-47.storm.ca) |
| 21:11.57 | RPG_ | ~bzfquery 10.1.1.1 |
| 21:12.32 | SilentSwan | ~bzfquery 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:12.52 | RPG_ | ~secretplace |
| 21:13.02 | RPG_ | ibot hepcat |
| 21:13.29 | RPG_ | ibot silvercat |
| 21:13.50 | RPG_ | ibot stfu |
| 21:13.51 | ibot | [stfu] Shut the F*** Up!, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/stfu-noob.jpg |
| 21:14.01 | RPG_ | ok |
| 21:17.19 | SilentSwan | ~bzfquery shattered.bzflag.bz:2982 |
| 21:17.31 | RPG_ | ibot shattered |
| 21:17.32 | SilentSwan | whee |
| 21:17.41 | *** join/#bzflag gsnedders (n=geoffrey@host86-139-127-22.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) |
| 21:17.57 | gsnedders | "You tell em UGM, just suck it up and go right thru with barrel blazin:-)" - Moto Unit :D |
| 21:18.57 | SilentSwan | sounds good to me |
| 21:19.03 | gsnedders | :P |
| 21:19.21 | gsnedders | this room is freakin' freezin' |
| 21:19.47 | gsnedders | dual G5, gas fire... what else do i need to keep a warm room? |
| 21:19.49 | gsnedders | :P |
| 21:19.54 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 21:20.01 | SilentSwan | good lord, my computer room is always HOT |
| 21:20.10 | SilentSwan | have to keep fans running in here |
| 21:20.12 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 21:20.16 | ruskie | mine is just cozy... |
| 21:20.21 | ToughShooter | gsnedders: dual dual core G5's? ;) |
| 21:20.30 | ruskie | gsnedders, my reply to that is BANZAI!!!! |
| 21:20.31 | ruskie | :) |
| 21:20.42 | gsnedders | ToughShooter: just dual single cores |
| 21:20.45 | gsnedders | 2.5GHz |
| 21:20.51 | gsnedders | ruskie: i saw ;) |
| 21:21.16 | ToughShooter | ~x de en netzteil |
| 21:21.39 | ToughShooter | the quad power mac comes with a 1000W power pack :o |
| 21:21.45 | gsnedders | :o |
| 21:21.45 | ruskie | whoaaa |
| 21:22.02 | ToughShooter | read the specs ;) |
| 21:22.06 | gsnedders | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.22 | ToughShooter | 700W |
| 21:25.28 | gsnedders | found an electric fire... I am frozen no more! |
| 21:27.00 | ToughShooter | I need no heater in my room, I have my computer ;) |
| 21:27.07 | ruskie | lol |
| 21:27.12 | ruskie | I have 3 boxen running |
| 21:27.18 | ruskie | but they don't keep the room warm |
| 21:27.21 | gsnedders | and is your room 20x10 meters? |
| 21:27.27 | ruskie | my room is 5x5m :) |
| 21:27.33 | ruskie | by 2.8m in height |
| 21:27.41 | ruskie | huge space to heat :) |
| 21:27.50 | gsnedders | i've had a gas fire on for hours |
| 21:27.59 | ToughShooter | umm, I've never looked at how big the room exactly is |
| 21:28.00 | gsnedders | but at the other end of the room |
| 21:28.10 | gsnedders | electric fire beside me!!! |
| 21:28.11 | gsnedders | w00t |
| 21:28.25 | gsnedders | my hands are frozen... so i better stop typing and put them on the fire ;) |
| 21:29.25 | gsnedders | don't say it has gone and fucking broke... |
| 21:29.28 | gsnedders | please don't... |
| 21:29.37 | ruskie | what happened? |
| 21:29.41 | gsnedders | it just broke. |
| 21:29.57 | ruskie | what broke? |
| 21:30.08 | gsnedders | the flippin' fire!!! |
| 21:30.21 | SilentSwan | 24.15.179.85, RPG_ |
| 21:30.24 | gsnedders | i am frozen once again |
| 21:30.38 | SilentSwan | eek, sorry rpg |
| 21:30.43 | RPG_ | oh |
| 21:30.51 | SilentSwan | i'll be keeping an eye |
| 21:30.59 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.00 | SilentSwan | is he the one that starts harassing server owners? |
| 21:31.05 | RPG_ | think so |
| 21:31.07 | Thumper_ | Lithium 2 |
| 21:31.09 | SilentSwan | k |
| 21:31.13 | SilentSwan | thanks for the tip |
| 21:31.20 | SilentSwan | are we SURE he's in downers grove? |
| 21:31.25 | RPG_ | http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/city.ch?ip=24.15.179.85 |
| 21:32.11 | SilentSwan | my IP comes back as chicago |
| 21:32.21 | RPG_ | mine comes back as naperville |
| 21:32.36 | ToughShooter | Mine comes as unknown |
| 21:32.39 | RPG_ | he's in the DG area |
| 21:32.44 | SilentSwan | hmmm ok |
| 21:33.00 | RPG_ | ~hi-lite |
| 21:33.38 | SilentSwan | what's that? |
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| 21:34.27 | SilentSwan | now he's bugging me |
| 21:34.46 | ToughShooter | he should go to "Win Xp" |
| 21:35.02 | gsnedders | found another electric fire :D |
| 21:35.08 | ToughShooter | that one has all the good admins like the_sun, killer_1, Dvn etc |
| 21:35.18 | Thumper_ | SilentSwan: he's got 2 IP's - want the other one? |
| 21:35.24 | SilentSwan | please :) |
| 21:35.40 | Thumper_ | 24.15.58.183 |
| 21:35.45 | SilentSwan | thanks |
| 21:35.50 | SilentSwan | i'm assuming he's got dynamic IP |
| 21:35.59 | RPG_ | comcast |
| 21:36.04 | SilentSwan | yep |
| 21:36.06 | Thumper_ | he's only every connected from those 2 ips on my servers |
| 21:36.08 | RPG_ | he can change it when he wants, otherwise, it's set |
| 21:36.13 | SilentSwan | ok |
| 21:36.23 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.25 | SilentSwan | ah, he left |
| 21:36.30 | RPG_ | hmm, naperville, my district |
| 21:36.31 | ruskie | is it always from the same net though? |
| 21:36.34 | RPG_ | yes |
| 21:36.43 | RPG_ | so he lives somewhere between me and SS |
| 21:37.08 | RPG_ | i'll probably meet him someday :P |
| 21:37.29 | SilentSwan | hope i meet him in a dark alley :P |
| 21:37.32 | gsnedders | :P |
| 21:39.49 | RPG_ | i'm guessing he's either at glenbard south, downers grove north, or downers grove south |
| 21:40.04 | RPG_ | muwhahahaha |
| 21:41.51 | SilentSwan | he's probably in the Special Ed. program at any of those |
| 21:42.02 | RPG_ | tee hee hee |
| 21:45.24 | RPG_ | "Students may not wear clothing that damages school property" |
| 21:46.09 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 21:46.15 | gsnedders | lol |
| 21:46.37 | RPG_ | im at a loss of words for that one |
| 21:46.47 | SilentSwan | "What happened to the walls???" "Oh, I'm sorry, it was my new shirt" |
| 21:46.58 | SilentSwan | just went right through |
| 21:47.07 | RPG_ | lol |
| 21:47.20 | SilentSwan | oh lithium's back |
| 21:47.26 | RPG_ | i'm blogging this! |
| 21:49.34 | SilentSwan | he's not even doing anything, just sitting on a platform parked |
| 21:49.43 | RPG_ | oh he's doing something |
| 21:49.54 | RPG_ | probably contemplating on ways to CHEAT |
| 21:49.57 | SilentSwan | you know, the ones that show his private conversations :) |
| 21:50.06 | RPG_ | ahh |
| 21:50.08 | RPG_ | he having any? |
| 21:50.25 | gsnedders | :) |
| 21:50.50 | SilentSwan | not at the moment |
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| 21:51.50 | SilentSwan | i feel kinda dirty doing that :P |
| 21:52.03 | RPG_ | you feel dirty? how must he feel theN? |
| 21:52.09 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 21:52.32 | SilentSwan | i don't like watching other people's private conversations.. makes me feel like George w. or something. |
| 21:52.42 | SilentSwan | even though he's not saying anything :) |
| 21:53.15 | SilentSwan | n/lagstats |
| 21:53.19 | SilentSwan | oops |
| 21:53.21 | SilentSwan | heh |
| 21:53.25 | gsnedders | lol |
| 21:53.41 | gsnedders | a couple of days ago i did kagstats |
| 21:53.49 | SilentSwan | did you find any kags? |
| 21:53.58 | gsnedders | well, of course not |
| 21:54.04 | SilentSwan | ok. just checking |
| 21:54.07 | gsnedders | because there was no / preceeding it |
| 21:54.10 | gsnedders | :) |
| 21:54.13 | SilentSwan | ahhh |
| 21:54.27 | gsnedders | /kagstats just got me a command not found erro :( |
| 21:54.29 | RPG_ | ~rofl |
| 21:54.31 | ibot | well, rofl is Roll Over Fat Lesbian. rolling on the floor laughing. Or see rocl. |
| 21:54.37 | SilentSwan | omg |
| 21:54.38 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 21:54.43 | gsnedders | ~ rocl |
| 21:54.49 | RPG_ | ~rocl |
| 21:54.59 | SilentSwan | brb |
| 22:00.35 | SilentSwan | ok... i used to have a list of questionable callsigns and IPs... but it appears i blew it away... anyone have any they care to contribute (besides lith)? |
| 22:00.50 | brad2901 | 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:01.02 | SilentSwan | :P |
| 22:01.04 | brad2901 | always keeps the troublemakers away.. |
| 22:01.06 | SilentSwan | that one is questionable hehe |
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| 22:02.00 | brad2901 | you don't even know my IP ;) |
| 22:02.09 | SilentSwan | you're right... |
| 22:04.56 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 22:04.56 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 22:05.13 | gsnedders | lol |
| 22:05.21 | gsnedders | (yes, i only just read that) |
| 22:06.30 | RPG_ | when did Jeff leave? |
| 22:06.42 | RPG_ | ~seen RPG_ |
| 22:06.46 | ibot | rpg_ is currently on #bzflag (4h 58m 4s). Has said a total of 93 messages. Is idling for 4s |
| 22:06.56 | RPG_ | 5 hours |
| 22:06.58 | gsnedders | ~seen gsnedders |
| 22:06.59 | ibot | gsnedders is currently on #bzflag (49m 18s). Has said a total of 37 messages. Is idling for 1s |
| 22:07.24 | RPG_ | mmm... dinner |
| 22:07.38 | SilentSwan | thanks, RPG_ - i'd love some :) |
| 22:08.15 | RPG_ | oh, a second too late, i just sucked up the last strand of spaghetti |
| 22:08.16 | SilentSwan | actually, i really should get some |
| 22:08.22 | SilentSwan | dinner, that is :) |
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| 22:08.37 | SilentSwan | bbl - feeding time |
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| 22:42.15 | spldart | ~seen spldart |
| 22:42.20 | ibot | spldart is currently on #bzflag (4h 11m 33s). Has said a total of 27 messages. Is idling for 5s |
| 22:42.40 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v tupone] by ChanServ |
| 22:42.51 | RPG_ | ibot help |
| 22:43.15 | spldart | ibot ibot was it a left at this intersection or a right? |
| 22:43.44 | RPG_ | ~8ball was it a left or a right? |
| 22:43.45 | ibot | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 22:45.17 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
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| 23:00.57 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v orchid] by ChanServ |
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| 23:06.04 | meacan | bzbb admins - spam at: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=59353#59353 |
| 23:08.09 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (n=bzgirl@unaffiliated/orchid) |
| 23:08.09 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v orchid] by ChanServ |
| 23:21.05 | SilentSwan | *burp* well, that was tasty |
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| 23:55.31 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 23:55.34 | Guu | Aribeth: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 30°F. |
| 23:56.25 | Aribeth | heh, still reporting the dew point |
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