| 00:00.05 | spldart | noper... my bad... getting 1.9 now |
| 00:00.41 | JeffM2501 | also apt-get install libtool |
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| 00:00.55 | spldart | ok.. autogen working |
| 00:00.55 | Webstrand | hi i'm back! |
| 00:01.04 | spldart | crap |
| 00:01.08 | spldart | need libtool |
| 00:01.41 | Webstrand | how to get registered on this chat? |
| 00:01.58 | spldart | any particular package of libtool or just install 'libtool'? |
| 00:02.00 | JeffM2501 | Webstrand, /msg nickserv help |
| 00:02.06 | Webstrand | thx |
| 00:02.08 | JeffM2501 | spldart, just libtool |
| 00:03.24 | spldart | several failures |
| 00:03.32 | JeffM2501 | on the apt? |
| 00:03.37 | JeffM2501 | or on he autogen? |
| 00:04.04 | Webstrand | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.28 | spldart | cannot touch install permmissionm denied, cano5 create regular file misc/copying/backujp, warning reconf failed etc etc etc |
| 00:04.40 | spldart | autogen |
| 00:04.57 | Webstrand | thx i'm registered now :-D |
| 00:05.05 | JeffM2501 | what user are you doing this all as? |
| 00:05.16 | blast007 | did you checkout as root, and then run autogeh.sh as the regular user? |
| 00:05.30 | Webstrand | n/msg |
| 00:06.17 | spldart | aptgetting was as su... autogen was as user |
| 00:06.34 | spldart | some of the apt getting should have been as user I assume |
| 00:06.55 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:07.01 | JeffM2501 | apt get is NEVER user |
| 00:07.18 | JeffM2501 | did you cvs as user or su? |
| 00:07.30 | spldart | su |
| 00:07.44 | spldart | all apt get was as su and at the # not the $ |
| 00:07.51 | JeffM2501 | that is your problem |
| 00:07.59 | JeffM2501 | you should have CVSed as your regular user |
| 00:08.22 | blast007 | spldart: the 'apt-get install cvs' was as su, but was the cvs checkout as su? |
| 00:08.27 | JeffM2501 | as su, chown -R ./bzflag/ YOURUSERNAME |
| 00:08.46 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 00:08.51 | JeffM2501 | reverse dir and username :) |
| 00:09.10 | spldart | i thought you said as root or sudo.. doen'st matter :( |
| 00:09.27 | spldart | ok... I'lll chown it's butt :) |
| 00:09.33 | JeffM2501 | root, sudo, and su are all the same thing |
| 00:09.41 | JeffM2501 | they all make you root |
| 00:10.02 | JeffM2501 | apt-get has to be done as some sort of root user |
| 00:10.19 | JeffM2501 | ether via loging in as root, using SUDO to do the command as root, or SU to change user to root |
| 00:10.27 | JeffM2501 | in the end it gets you to root |
| 00:10.37 | JeffM2501 | the only things here you should be doing as root, are the apt stuff |
| 00:10.42 | JeffM2501 | all other things are as your user |
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| 00:11.51 | spldart | well crap |
| 00:12.07 | spldart | my user is not valid... yet it's right there at the prompt before I changed to su |
| 00:12.09 | spldart | geez |
| 00:12.27 | JeffM2501 | make sure you have the caps right |
| 00:13.39 | blast007 | if you're in su, just type exit to return to the regular user |
| 00:15.41 | spldart | i know.. |
| 00:15.45 | spldart | I have a user |
| 00:16.07 | spldart | spelled correctly and everything.. |
| 00:16.11 | spldart | I can see it at the prompt |
| 00:16.17 | spldart | but chown says it doesn't exist. |
| 00:16.19 | spldart | grr |
| 00:16.34 | JeffM2501 | how are you typing it? |
| 00:17.28 | spldart | ok... |
| 00:17.58 | spldart | bzuser@debianserver:~/home$ |
| 00:18.01 | spldart | su then password |
| 00:18.22 | JeffM2501 | how are you doing the chown |
| 00:18.32 | spldart | debianserver:/home/bzuser# |
| 00:19.27 | spldart | then chown -R ./bzflag/ bzuser |
| 00:19.34 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:19.37 | spldart | invalid user |
| 00:19.38 | JeffM2501 | reverse the user and the dir |
| 00:19.46 | JeffM2501 | I did it wrong the first time |
| 00:19.49 | spldart | oh |
| 00:19.52 | spldart | :( |
| 00:19.52 | JeffM2501 | you didn't see me when I said reverse it :) |
| 00:19.59 | spldart | my bad |
| 00:20.03 | JeffM2501 | it's command options user dir |
| 00:22.06 | spldart | now bzflag is not a valid directory when typing chown -R bzuser /bzflag/ |
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| 00:22.15 | spldart | I asssume I need the whole path |
| 00:22.24 | Tupone | spldart: you miss a . |
| 00:23.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:23.08 | JeffM2501 | ./ |
| 00:23.14 | JeffM2501 | ./bzflag |
| 00:23.20 | spldart | 8-O |
| 00:23.32 | JeffM2501 | /bzflag would be off the root |
| 00:24.56 | spldart | okies |
| 00:26.24 | spldart | ok... I'm dense.... an d trying autogen again |
| 00:26.27 | spldart | and wolfing down dinner |
| 00:27.41 | uso | is there any description available how you got to the recommended acceleration limits in 2.0.4? |
| 00:27.43 | spldart | wow... automatically preparing build....... takes forever and no hd activity |
| 00:27.44 | spldart | lol |
| 00:28.17 | JeffM2501 | uso, somone guessed |
| 00:28.26 | uso | thought so :) |
| 00:28.55 | uso | they are somewhat low and affect players with standard settings :( |
| 00:29.22 | uso | a simple calculation would have been useful ... |
| 00:29.23 | Tupone | what is standard setting? keyboard? |
| 00:29.30 | uso | mouse |
| 00:30.02 | uso | simple example, correct me when i'm wrong |
| 00:30.09 | uso | mouse 400 dpi |
| 00:30.29 | uso | (available now up to 2000 dpi) |
| 00:30.32 | Tupone | a simple calculation showed that the value recomended is 6 times the maximum allowable to have a correct DR |
| 00:30.55 | uso | what is DR? |
| 00:31.01 | Tupone | Dead Reckoning |
| 00:31.18 | uso | wow, than it's a gameplay problem ;) |
| 00:31.30 | uso | every player reaches higher values |
| 00:31.49 | uso | calculate it |
| 00:32.22 | spldart | how long does autogen take ona 500 mhz machine? |
| 00:32.25 | uso | mouse movement 1 m/s = 40 inches/s = 16000 pixel/s |
| 00:32.32 | JeffM2501 | spldart, it can take a while |
| 00:32.55 | Tupone | uso: how much do you take to move a real tank? |
| 00:33.07 | uso | mousebox 160 pixel (mouseboxsize 0 = medium setting, 800x600) |
| 00:33.16 | uso | lol, it's a game |
| 00:33.30 | uso | that gives 5 ms from 0 to max speed |
| 00:33.31 | Tupone | 0 is not a medium setting ... 6 is |
| 00:33.40 | SportChick | I've got a couple of stupid questions. |
| 00:33.50 | uso | no, it's from -11 to 11, 0 is medium |
| 00:34.01 | spldart | shall I ./configure? |
| 00:34.29 | SportChick | In order for someone to use a "group" that has been set up through bzbb, do they have to use global reg? (I assume so). Secondly, what is the command to add to the config file to set a specific group as an "admin" group with admin privileges? |
| 00:34.39 | blast007 | spldart: I'll race you with my P133 ;) |
| 00:34.45 | uso | 5 ms gives an acceleration of about 150 for angular and 5000 for linear, corrected by the factor 20 for the -a option it's 250 |
| 00:34.51 | uso | anything wrong there? |
| 00:34.57 | Tupone | niet, is 0 to 11, I moved to -11 just in the 2.0.4 to avoid configuring with hurting value for bzflag and I wanted to avoid discussion for people putting there -5 |
| 00:35.50 | uso | ok, take it to a higher value, we are still notedly above your values |
| 00:36.05 | spldart | lol |
| 00:36.24 | spldart | I'll guess I'll get started with.configure as user |
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| 00:36.38 | uso | and if i observe players all players get higher maximum acceleration as the recommended values |
| 00:36.55 | Tupone | uso, mainly ME players, or keyboard players |
| 00:37.04 | uso | not only the ME people |
| 00:37.28 | uso | and strangely the highest peaks i have seen from non ME people with windows versions |
| 00:37.33 | uso | peaks above 1000 |
| 00:37.44 | Tupone | 1000 / 20 is 50 |
| 00:38.03 | Tupone | those value are scaled by 20 |
| 00:38.04 | uso | angular and corrected linear values ;) |
| 00:38.32 | spldart | knew it... need a libcurl |
| 00:38.43 | spldart | apt get install which libcurl???? |
| 00:38.44 | uso | happens on jumps in the landing phase as far as i can see |
| 00:38.52 | spldart | libcurl3-dev>? |
| 00:38.56 | Tupone | spldart: libcurl3-dev |
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| 00:39.59 | Tupone | uso those -a values does not limit the acceleration given by the physic of the world. Only the acceleration player can force with input device |
| 00:40.45 | uso | hmm, what else accelerates my tank if not my velocity control? |
| 00:40.52 | spldart | installed libcurl3 |
| 00:41.06 | Tupone | hitting a building |
| 00:41.12 | uso | no maps with physics drivers, simple box/pyramid maps |
| 00:41.23 | spldart | trying to configure again |
| 00:41.28 | uso | like gu, silvercat, viper |
| 00:41.53 | Tupone | whn you hit a building you get speed form max to 0, so is an acceleration |
| 00:42.41 | uso | ok, i look at this, may affect the peaks |
| 00:43.13 | uso | but beside this most players get max. acceleration values above 100 with normal driving |
| 00:44.21 | spldart | failed again... still needs libcurl :( |
| 00:44.22 | Tupone | I don't think so. those value are the normal driving values. |
| 00:44.30 | Tupone | spldart: libcurl3-dev |
| 00:45.09 | uso | is there any "official" patch to measure accelerations? |
| 00:45.29 | mbfg | i take it you can't see the member list for sf's File-Release mailing list |
| 00:45.29 | Tupone | no |
| 00:45.30 | mbfg | ? |
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| 00:47.49 | uso | so the discussion about ME further will be determined by emotional arguments and not facts :( |
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| 00:48.37 | Tupone | uso, do you think that if the market give us a mouse 1MpointxInch we need to change acceleration setting ? |
| 00:49.47 | Tupone | spldart[A]: no auto-away message please |
| 00:49.48 | uso | no, i only think the new introduced limits should not affect players with "normal" settings ;) |
| 00:50.17 | Tupone | so, don't bring me counts based on mouse capability |
| 00:50.38 | uso | a 400 dpi mouse is standard afaik, haven't seen a recent mouse with less |
| 00:51.02 | uso | i have not calculated with 2000 dpi if you look above |
| 00:51.04 | spldart[A] | ok .... auto away is manually banished |
| 00:51.42 | spldart[A] | make'ing |
| 00:54.07 | uso | and there's anather issue with the settings, the limitation is assymetric, it limits the linear acceleration more than the angular |
| 00:54.32 | uso | the ratio should be 1.6 to 1 for the -a values to get symmetrical limits |
| 00:54.56 | Tupone | well, on this you can be right, we didn't do so much testing on angular acceleration |
| 00:55.05 | Tupone | as for the linear |
| 00:57.19 | Tupone | I was more worried about linear, as it gives more advantage for shots (speed boost) and more easier to avoid kill |
| 00:57.33 | uso | i'm not sure if i understand it all right, better double check it ;) |
| 00:57.51 | uso | accel gives a speed boost for shots? |
| 00:58.01 | uso | isn't it only the tank velocity? |
| 00:58.15 | Tupone | yep, but you can reach max tank speed in a while |
| 00:58.34 | uso | so if you shot while you are in acceleration phase your shots get faster? |
| 00:58.49 | uso | ah, ok |
| 01:01.45 | uso | time jumped back, we won an hour :) |
| 01:03.52 | uso | enough theory, time for a game ... |
| 01:14.45 | SilentSwan | hmm... the life of the swan has suddenly got a bit more interesting |
| 01:14.49 | SilentSwan | woohoo! |
| 01:17.02 | blast007 | bigger pond? :) |
| 01:17.11 | SilentSwan | ah, i wish |
| 01:17.18 | blast007 | hehe |
| 01:33.43 | DTRemenak | moldy bread? |
| 01:39.43 | spldart | gonna reboot and try to salvage some files from the debian install that was on this machine... make setting up the other machine much faster |
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| 01:58.35 | spldart | salvaged my .conf and .bzw files.... how do I install my freshly make'ed bz? |
| 02:00.10 | Tupone | spldart: make install |
| 02:00.20 | Tupone | you have to su before |
| 02:00.46 | spldart | I can't make install as regular user? |
| 02:00.54 | Tupone | nope |
| 02:01.01 | spldart | ic |
| 02:01.03 | spldart | done |
| 02:01.19 | Tupone | you can play inside the directory, without installing |
| 02:01.25 | spldart | how can I check my machines lan IP in terminal real quick? |
| 02:01.39 | Tupone | now do a type bzflag |
| 02:01.52 | Tupone | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 02:02.05 | spldart | type bzflag? |
| 02:02.29 | Tupone | that is not for the IP, is just to see if that is installed and where |
| 02:03.56 | spldart | which bzfs says /usr/local/bin/bzfs |
| 02:04.16 | Tupone | ok, the same should give type :) |
| 02:04.23 | Tupone | seems installed |
| 02:04.39 | spldart | methinks... I'm going to try to push it into service...\ |
| 02:05.24 | spldart | How do you get it to dump terminal text into a logfile? >/home/logfile.txt after the executable and conf in terminal? |
| 02:06.57 | spldart | 1 ? :) ? |
| 02:08.28 | orchid | for bzfs? |
| 02:08.58 | spldart | works for all appy's running in a terminal... so you can see what has happened long after is scrolls off the screen |
| 02:09.28 | orchid | bzfs -d >> ~/logfile.txt, use >> to append or > to overwrite each time with a new file |
| 02:09.57 | spldart | hrm... doesn't look familiar :confused: |
| 02:10.22 | spldart | How can I look at a directory that is to large to fit the screen? |
| 02:10.28 | spldart | make it into pages that pause |
| 02:11.52 | orchid | in a terminal? ls -lh | less |
| 02:18.46 | spldart | must....remember.... arguments...... cp -r to get the whole direcotry |
| 02:19.15 | orchid | cp -ir |
| 02:19.55 | orchid | use -i with all your cp, mv, and rm commands, it will ask before overwiting something |
| 02:21.12 | spldart | okies |
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| 02:40.12 | spldart | how can i shutdown bzfs from the client? |
| 02:42.38 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.33 | teh_conquerer | yay for me ripping off america |
| 02:46.54 | teh_conquerer | I got a free army hat with absolutely no intention of joining the army |
| 02:54.02 | spldart | OK...I'm running with the new debian install and brand new compile. I'm running my old conf a bit simplified and the legoland map I was last using before I went offline... I now see mself in the server list and even on the server list in bzflag client |
| 02:54.09 | spldart | But when I try to connect I error out |
| 02:54.11 | spldart | 67.10.221.4:5154 |
| 02:54.21 | spldart | any ideas? |
| 02:55.51 | spldart | ibot isn't responding to my /bzfquery |
| 02:56.30 | spldart | woah... trepan... how did you get in? |
| 02:56.56 | trepan | joined |
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| 02:58.18 | bryjen | is that the actual address on the machine's network card, or the outside of your router/modem ? |
| 02:59.33 | spldart | my outside addy |
| 02:59.41 | spldart | the machine is 192.168.0.103 |
| 03:00.15 | bryjen | are you running the client on the same machine? (use 127.0.0.1) or another machine? (try the 192.168....) |
| 03:00.24 | spldart | another machine |
| 03:00.33 | spldart | ummm |
| 03:00.38 | spldart | I'll try the machine addy |
| 03:09.50 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 03:10.26 | spldart | so I cannot connect from the server list onto my machine but I can using the local addy? |
| 03:13.50 | spldart | hrm... bzadmin wont connect from to either addy :( |
| 03:14.59 | spldart | nope... none of the bzadmin's will connect :confused: |
| 03:25.33 | spldart | any input on bzadmin not working at all? |
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| 03:29.42 | orchid | spldart: not sure, I can connect with bzadmin or a client |
| 03:30.15 | spldart | hrm.... clien will only connect using the local ip of the machine... bzadmin will not connect at all :( |
| 03:30.38 | spldart | things seem to be alot different from when I used to host a server |
| 03:32.10 | spldart | I cannot connect with a browser either... you know .the usual bz0028 or whateva message |
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| 03:51.54 | perso | hey |
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| 03:54.01 | BigCheese | hi |
| 03:54.07 | person1 | hey big cheese |
| 03:54.35 | person1 | Jeff how do i log in to this with my real username? |
| 03:54.42 | person1 | so i can Private Message someone |
| 03:55.16 | person1 | anyone know |
| 03:55.22 | orchid | go to the forum and login there |
| 03:55.33 | orchid | then goto the chat page |
| 03:55.35 | person1 | then i will be logged into this |
| 03:55.36 | person1 | k |
| 03:55.42 | person1 | BIG CHEESE DO THAT |
| 03:55.43 | person1 | ok? |
| 03:55.54 | person1 | ty |
| 03:55.56 | spldart | Is JeffM in teh hizzouse? |
| 04:01.01 | mbfg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:02.54 | spldart | ~ksgr |
| 04:03.08 | spldart | ~weather ksgr |
| 04:03.20 | spldart | grr |
| 04:03.48 | spldart | ~bzfquery 67.10.221.4 |
| 04:04.02 | spldart | am I doing something wrong? |
| 04:05.32 | spldart | ~bzfquery 67.10.221.4:5154 |
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| 05:25.23 | I_Died_Once | DT - are you alive and active at this moment? |
| 05:25.51 | JeffM2501 | what if he's active but not alive :) |
| 05:26.39 | I_Died_Once | eek he had told me that plugins were fixed in current CVS but i wasnt able to update as i was about to leave |
| 05:26.50 | I_Died_Once | was wondering if that had changed or not since then |
| 05:27.00 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.04 | JeffM2501 | I made some changes to make plugins work in both branches today |
| 05:27.19 | JeffM2501 | I was able to use plugins in 2.1 just fine |
| 05:29.14 | I_Died_Once | I'm gonna be one of the first "major" servers to be on 2.2 when it releases |
| 05:29.32 | I_Died_Once | i remember it took damn near forever to get everyone migrated to 2.0 |
| 05:31.48 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 05:31.53 | DTRemenak | I_Died_Once: JeffM2501 was the one who did the fixing, ask him. |
| 05:31.59 | JeffM2501 | be ready to update hourly during dev then |
| 05:32.07 | DTRemenak | and I've already moved my servers to 2.1 |
| 05:32.59 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, unless you plan on folling the commits, you are going to run into many incomatability issues |
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| 07:47.20 | Mr_Bones_ | is the person responsible for the autotool stuff for bzflag around? |
| 07:48.01 | Mr_Bones_ | it would be great if configure didn't hardcode CXXFLAGS |
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| 08:54.47 | ruskie | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 08:59.46 | gsnedders | hi ruskie |
| 08:59.56 | gsnedders | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 09:03.32 | *** part/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 09:04.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (ServerLink.cxx ServerLink.h playing.cxx): Putting messages on the same output frame, if possible |
| 09:21.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/LocalPlayer.cxx: Always precede a Shot with an update in the tank position |
| 09:30.20 | ToughShooter | yay, I found out what makes SDL crashing :) |
| 09:31.12 | ToughShooter | it happens when you switch users and then go back and try to make bzflag using fullscreen |
| 09:32.36 | Tupone | what you mean switching user? su ? |
| 09:33.34 | Tupone | could be is related to device permission ? |
| 09:33.54 | ToughShooter | fast user switching |
| 09:34.04 | ToughShooter | "the cube effect" on Mac OS X |
| 09:34.38 | Tupone | don't know what are you talking about :( |
| 09:35.04 | SilentSwan | eye candy |
| 09:35.20 | SilentSwan | which is about all OSX is good for :P |
| 09:35.22 | ToughShooter | http://www.apple.com/macosx/theater/fastuserswitching.html |
| 09:35.56 | ToughShooter | this requires QT to view, AFAIK |
| 09:36.28 | Tupone | you need to make shure the accounts all have the same moniter setings (i.e. same resolution colors and Hz). |
| 09:36.43 | Tupone | well taking a sentence from the forum |
| 09:36.58 | ToughShooter | All use 1680*1050 with 0HZ |
| 09:37.22 | ToughShooter | 0HZ because I use an LCD ;) |
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| 09:37.37 | redarrow | 'lo all |
| 09:38.27 | redarrow | can anyone tell me if I can find "diff" patches between the various bzflag source releases somewhere? |
| 09:39.30 | Tupone | on SF under commit-list |
| 09:40.05 | redarrow | ok.. I'll check it out.. thanks |
| 09:40.37 | ToughShooter | and then http://pastebin.com/410754 comes up :( |
| 09:41.35 | ToughShooter | but that would not be in BZFlag's code if I'm correct |
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| 09:42.15 | Tupone | SDL_VideoModeOK should be in SDL |
| 09:42.44 | Tupone | can you build a debug version of SDL and use it? |
| 09:43.05 | ToughShooter | I don't know how to produce a framework |
| 09:43.52 | ToughShooter | if someone would enlighten me I would like to do |
| 09:44.11 | Tupone | hehe, not the right person here |
| 09:45.50 | ToughShooter | I mean ./configure -help at SDL source says nothing :/ |
| 09:46.03 | ToughShooter | at least nothing related to frameworks |
| 09:49.26 | redarrow | Tupone: That seems to be for the CVS version .. with _hundreds_ of patches - I actually meant between released versions? |
| 09:52.14 | redarrow | like from 2.0.0 ==> 2.0.2 ==> 2.0.4 |
| 09:54.40 | ToughShooter | Tupone: At least I have now steps how to reproduce...I have searched months trying to find out what causes it |
| 09:56.52 | Tupone | redarrow: all is there, and you can see the CVS for what is marked as release |
| 09:58.45 | gsnedders | can any one point me to the patch for the flag change? |
| 09:58.53 | gsnedders | so I can get it back to the not windy flags? |
| 09:59.37 | Tupone | gsnedders: if you changed quality to not experimental you get that |
| 10:01.36 | gsnedders | Tupone: i mean flat. completely flat. |
| 10:01.46 | redarrow | ah well.. I guess it'll be easier just to download 2.0.4 .. ;-) thanks Tupone! |
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| 10:02.41 | Tupone | gsnedders: I think you get the previous model just setting the quality to high |
| 10:03.12 | gsnedders | no: it's still waving slightly |
| 10:03.58 | Tupone | but that was unchanged from 1.7 at least, flags was always waving |
| 10:04.07 | gsnedders | were they? |
| 10:04.12 | Tupone | yep |
| 10:04.18 | gsnedders | for over a year i never noticed. |
| 10:04.19 | gsnedders | wow. |
| 10:05.57 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I think I am building an SDL framework with debugging now. What should I do with it after it's build? Trying to reproduce the crash? |
| 10:06.10 | Tupone | yep |
| 10:06.40 | ToughShooter | whatever is "Standard Package (Upgraded)" ;) |
| 10:30.33 | ToughShooter | ~bzpastebin |
| 10:30.37 | ibot | i heard bzpastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 10:31.05 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Now I get this: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/27051 |
| 10:31.41 | Tupone | what version of SDL ? |
| 10:32.13 | Tupone | 1.2.9 ? |
| 10:32.14 | ToughShooter | 1.2.9 |
| 10:33.31 | ToughShooter | Now what to do? :o |
| 10:35.43 | Tupone | looking |
| 10:36.18 | ToughShooter | Meaning looking at source code of SDL and fixing it? :/ |
| 10:41.21 | ToughShooter | BTW: I was wrong, BZFlag 2.0.2 crashes, too. After 2.0.2 I've splitted the game part into a seperate useraccount and left x-chat aqua in the main account. |
| 10:41.51 | ToughShooter | So that's the reason why 2.0.2 never crashed |
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| 10:58.30 | Tupone | ToughShooter: you still have the SDL tree unfolded ? |
| 10:58.48 | ToughShooter | Tupone: ? |
| 10:59.03 | ToughShooter | What do you mean with "unfolded"? |
| 10:59.04 | Tupone | I want you to modify one SDL source |
| 10:59.13 | ToughShooter | ok |
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| 10:59.26 | Tupone | go to src/video/quarts |
| 10:59.28 | ToughShooter | ..not that I would understand the changes :/ |
| 10:59.33 | ToughShooter | done |
| 10:59.35 | Tupone | neither I |
| 10:59.41 | ToughShooter | heh |
| 11:00.04 | Tupone | open with an editor SDL_QuartzVideo.m |
| 11:01.01 | ToughShooter | well, that's what I did a while ago, trying to figure out what's wrong ;) |
| 11:01.23 | Tupone | you can do that now? |
| 11:01.36 | ToughShooter | I already have it open |
| 11:01.42 | Tupone | line 221 |
| 11:01.45 | ToughShooter | ok |
| 11:02.04 | Tupone | initialize num_modes with 0 |
| 11:02.17 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.52 | Tupone | I would try to compile that before going on. I'm nt sure about the .m syntax |
| 11:03.58 | Tupone | then go to line 242, open a line just before that and write: |
| 11:04.04 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.14 | Tupone | that should fix, if is an SDL bug |
| 11:05.38 | ToughShooter | compiled |
| 11:06.10 | ToughShooter | Do I need to run make distclean on BZFlag source? |
| 11:06.31 | Tupone | no |
| 11:06.38 | Tupone | I don't think so |
| 11:07.15 | Tupone | try to remove the bzflag executable and then relink it |
| 11:10.01 | Tupone | hmm ? nothing ? |
| 11:10.12 | ToughShooter | That's why it lasted so long before, I wiped out everything generated from autogen and configure |
| 11:10.22 | ToughShooter | I am still building |
| 11:11.43 | ToughShooter | Tupone: http://pastebin.com/410819 |
| 11:12.22 | ToughShooter | Still crashes just a line later because of the inserted line |
| 11:13.02 | ToughShooter | also I should use less long passwords as it lasts long to type them correct :( |
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| 11:28.32 | Tupone | ToughShooter: can you define an env var SDL_DEBUG and then run the application |
| 11:28.38 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I just noticed there is #sdl on freenode |
| 11:28.52 | Tupone | ah ok :) |
| 11:29.21 | ToughShooter | besides I wouldn't know what to put into SDL_DEBUG ;) |
| 11:29.55 | Tupone | I guess a 1 is ok |
| 11:30.47 | ToughShooter | I'll try and if there is no change I'll go and ask at the other channel |
| 11:32.23 | Tupone | ok |
| 11:33.12 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I get that: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/27057 |
| 11:33.43 | ToughShooter | The bus error is what happens after switching back to the playing account and try to switch to fullscreen |
| 11:34.57 | Tupone | Better ask there :( |
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| 11:52.53 | ToughShooter | http://pastebin.com/410844 |
| 11:54.42 | Tupone | p mode_list |
| 11:55.07 | Tupone | before do a |
| 11:55.08 | Tupone | f |
| 11:55.10 | Tupone | f 1 |
| 11:55.22 | ToughShooter | huh? |
| 11:55.32 | Tupone | you are in the debugger ? |
| 11:55.35 | ToughShooter | i might add I use F13 |
| 11:55.56 | Tupone | what is F13 ? |
| 11:55.59 | ToughShooter | yes, at the point I pasted |
| 11:56.09 | Tupone | so do a "f 1" |
| 11:56.16 | ToughShooter | ah, you are refering to frame |
| 11:56.17 | Tupone | or "frame 1" |
| 11:56.34 | Tupone | then do a "print mode_list" |
| 11:56.40 | ToughShooter | I had bind F13 for windowing mode switching |
| 11:58.07 | Tupone | what you get for mode_list? |
| 11:58.52 | ToughShooter | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/27060 |
| 12:00.19 | Tupone | this->mode_list ? |
| 12:01.04 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:01.54 | ToughShooter | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/27061 |
| 12:02.17 | Tupone | have you tried with hidden ? |
| 12:02.43 | ToughShooter | yeah, that's its comment |
| 12:03.50 | Tupone | *(this->hidden->mode_list) ? |
| 12:04.18 | Tupone | gdb will not know the type I guess |
| 12:04.59 | ToughShooter | incomplete type |
| 12:05.20 | ToughShooter | but ) print this->hidden->mode_list leaded to $1 = 0x62ba50 |
| 12:06.19 | Tupone | cya |
| 12:15.27 | brad2901 | what's the key to put bzflag in a window as apposed to full screen? |
| 12:16.37 | brad2901 | F1 makes a window full screen but doesn't reverse it. |
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| 12:49.07 | Tupone | brad2901: linux does it |
| 13:00.13 | ToughShooter | Tupone: ping |
| 13:00.18 | Tupone | pong |
| 13:00.47 | Tupone | you're back, or you find some cause? |
| 13:00.49 | ToughShooter | Now that I'm back do you have any idea how to fix? Should I rather wait for brlcad? |
| 13:01.31 | Tupone | what I'd do if I got these errors is just making a simple program that call what bzflag calls |
| 13:01.39 | Tupone | and see if that happen again |
| 13:02.17 | ToughShooter | My programming knowledge in C, C++, Obj-C... is very limited :( |
| 13:02.32 | Tupone | it is just copy and paste |
| 13:04.24 | Tupone | so you have to make a program that call SDL_Init first. look at PlatformFactory.cxx |
| 13:04.46 | ToughShooter | the bus error makes me a bit astonished, I'll try to reproduce on my other hardware first |
| 13:05.01 | Tupone | ok |
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| 13:58.19 | Ice_Wewe | there is a bot bug in 2.1.2 |
| 13:58.50 | Ice_Wewe | client crashes when trying to execute -solo 5 (it could be any number) |
| 13:58.52 | Tupone | actual 2.1.2 is broken, however, what bug is |
| 13:59.13 | Tupone | hmm where ? |
| 14:01.38 | Ice_Wewe | client crashes when trying to connect to server |
| 14:01.48 | Tupone | what lines? |
| 14:01.52 | Ice_Wewe | must kill with -9, -15 no effect |
| 14:02.03 | Ice_Wewe | Tupone: as I am not a programmer, I can not tell you |
| 14:02.15 | Tupone | so .. no crashes, just freezed |
| 14:02.22 | Ice_Wewe | Tupone: yes |
| 14:02.32 | Ice_Wewe | Tupone: using 100% CPU time (ugg) |
| 14:02.52 | Tupone | yep, I know where, bad things happen |
| 14:09.53 | ToughShooter | Tupone: On my ibook it crashes, too but at a completly other place :/ |
| 14:10.15 | Tupone | ok, you wanna go with that little program ? |
| 14:10.28 | Tupone | or perhaps wait on brlcad |
| 14:10.35 | Tupone | ~wake brlcad |
| 14:10.38 | ibot | brlcad: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 14:10.42 | ToughShooter | I would rather wait |
| 14:10.55 | Tupone | ~wake learner |
| 14:10.56 | ibot | learner: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 14:11.04 | ToughShooter | as I'm not good enough and have limited time :( |
| 14:11.23 | Tupone | is not rocket-science |
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| 14:13.06 | ToughShooter | if you never worked with it but only used it from within an app you hadn't written it's not so easy especially when you have to write an app in a language you never really used before |
| 14:14.35 | Tupone | ok, I'm quite busy now to re-fix 2.1 . If/when I finish I can try to write those 20 lines that need to crash MacOSX |
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| 14:22.38 | Tupone | hi SportChick |
| 14:23.29 | SportChick | good morning, tupone - or afternoon for you |
| 14:24.45 | Tupone | afternoon here, an UGT morning to you, wherever you are. As you are a world traveller :) |
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| 14:39.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (include/NetHandler.h src/game/NetHandler.cxx): extract single messages from the incoming datagram |
| 14:40.43 | Tupone | Ice_Wewe: you have a 2.1 client there ? |
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| 14:57.45 | bz6829 | #s |
| 14:57.49 | bz6829 | #cs-vw |
| 14:57.51 | bz6829 | #cs-bw |
| 14:58.04 | bz6829 | connect #cs-bw |
| 14:58.14 | ToughShooter | lol |
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| 15:07.12 | SportChick | DTRemenak: ping |
| 15:07.15 | SportChick | jeffm: ping |
| 15:13.28 | Tupone | ToughShooter: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/27068 |
| 15:16.17 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Hmm, what should I do with that? :o |
| 15:16.44 | Tupone | Is not the piece of code that make bzflag crash, but I think it should do the same |
| 15:16.55 | Tupone | take that, put in a .c file |
| 15:17.02 | Tupone | compile /link and run |
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| 15:22.08 | ToughShooter | Tupone: It doesn't compile, see comment |
| 15:24.19 | Tupone | .... int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { .... modify the int main line with that |
| 15:25.42 | Tupone | ~wake DTRemenak |
| 15:25.45 | ibot | DTRemenak: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 15:27.03 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I think something is wrong with the includes: http://pastebin.com/410965 :( |
| 15:27.43 | Tupone | gcc /Users/spiele/Desktop/test.c -lSDL |
| 15:28.28 | Tupone | sdl-config --libs shoud give the library you need |
| 15:28.34 | Tupone | try that |
| 15:28.47 | ToughShooter | now only _main is undefined |
| 15:29.26 | Tupone | sdl-config --libs ?? |
| 15:29.50 | ToughShooter | no, before with -lSDL |
| 15:29.54 | ToughShooter | I am slow |
| 15:31.04 | Tupone | if you play bzflag at this speed you are dead in a while :) |
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| 15:32.31 | ToughShooter | I have to switch over 3 user accounts and my mouse battery ran out of power |
| 15:32.48 | ToughShooter | I am steering the mouse with arrow keys right now |
| 15:33.23 | S1gn | what happened to servers? only 9/9 without players |
| 15:33.33 | ToughShooter | Ok, it compiled and I got a file called "a.out" in ~/ which is a MachO executable ppc |
| 15:33.50 | ToughShooter | but when I run it nothing visible happens |
| 15:34.06 | ToughShooter | it just starts and quits when called from terminal |
| 15:34.25 | Tupone | ok, lemme do a couple line changes |
| 15:35.25 | Tupone | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/27071 |
| 15:35.50 | Tupone | you say the error come onut when you switch to full screen or you start at full screen |
| 15:36.04 | ToughShooter | I suppose I should switch the main line again |
| 15:36.21 | Tupone | eek, nope |
| 15:36.32 | Tupone | I changed the description :( |
| 15:36.36 | ToughShooter | you can't switch user accounts when bzflag runs in fullscreen mode ;) |
| 15:36.39 | Tupone | look at the description |
| 15:36.52 | Tupone | I put the code there :( |
| 15:36.55 | blast007 | S1gn: you are using CVS? |
| 15:37.21 | blast007 | if so, then you got 2.1, which is incompatible with 2.0.x |
| 15:38.19 | blast007 | grab revision v2_0branch for a compatible version :) |
| 15:38.22 | Tupone | ToughShooter: you get the changes ? |
| 15:39.29 | ToughShooter | Tupone: That opens, changes to fullscreen and goes back to windowed |
| 15:39.35 | Tupone | ToughShooter: so you start bzflag in windowed mode, you change user, and after that you go full screen ? |
| 15:40.09 | ToughShooter | that works perfect as I can't switch the user accounts while it is running and then try to switch to fullscreen |
| 15:40.32 | Tupone | so you switch while is running |
| 15:40.33 | meacan | bzbbadmins: spam at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=57105#57105 |
| 15:41.14 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I start BZFlag in fullscreen or windowed. if fullscreen -> windowed. then change to another user. change back to user where bzflag is running. try to make bzflag use fullscreen |
| 15:41.30 | Tupone | ToughShooter: if I put there a 10 seconds sleep is ok? |
| 15:41.42 | ToughShooter | 20 ;) |
| 15:41.50 | Tupone | ok go for 30 then |
| 15:42.12 | ToughShooter | it should sleep while being windowed before going to fullscreen |
| 15:42.26 | ToughShooter | but I wonder if it crashes then ;) |
| 15:44.21 | Tupone | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/27073 |
| 15:44.48 | S1gn | blast007: ah.. yep, cvs... thought so already, thanks |
| 15:45.45 | S1gn | blast007: got "incompatible server version" msg |
| 15:46.49 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Well, that works |
| 15:46.57 | Tupone | so .. no crash :( |
| 15:47.14 | ToughShooter | I don't see the usual black background from a drawable when it is windowed |
| 15:47.41 | ToughShooter | only spinning disk cursor (for app is not responding) |
| 15:50.12 | ToughShooter | What would also help would some other Mac user who could try to reproduce the effect |
| 15:56.43 | ToughShooter | Tupone: It crashes when the user account it is running under is not the frontmost user account when switching from windowed to fullscreen |
| 15:57.23 | Tupone | so, we have something now |
| 15:57.44 | ToughShooter | Yeah, but not the situation that makes bzflag crash |
| 15:57.52 | Tupone | you could bug the SDL gut now :) |
| 15:57.57 | Tupone | guy |
| 15:58.15 | BearPerson | apropos windowed and fullscreen... my fonts look funny after switching between them |
| 15:58.40 | Tupone | the resolution is not the one you had, you can put yours |
| 15:58.56 | BearPerson | when I start a game in fullscreen and go to windowed, the big letters (driving with ...) have like a semi-transparent white block background |
| 15:59.36 | ToughShooter | ATI card? |
| 15:59.43 | BearPerson | yup |
| 15:59.56 | ToughShooter | I remember I have heard something from that.. |
| 16:00.05 | ToughShooter | but I dunno remember what :( |
| 16:00.30 | ToughShooter | Tupone: heh, lets bug him >:) |
| 16:07.26 | ToughShooter | Tupone: looks like he is gone :/ |
| 16:07.44 | Tupone | ok, mail them |
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| 16:08.12 | ToughShooter | hehe |
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| 16:23.08 | WinXp | hello |
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| 16:23.46 | ncurses | hi WinXp |
| 16:24.41 | WinXp | I hope I am now in the right channel |
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| 16:43.29 | ToughShooter | Tupone: heh, he's there again and blames CFArrayGetCount () |
| 16:43.44 | Tupone | hehe :) |
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| 16:45.48 | Tupone | bzflag 2.0.4.20050930 is in portage :) |
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| 16:52.30 | teh_conquerer | ok, who wants to buy this for me for christmas: |
| 16:52.31 | teh_conquerer | http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80097-08 |
| 16:55.10 | I_Died_Once | I like big butts and I cannot lie... |
| 16:55.13 | I_Died_Once | oops, wrong window |
| 16:55.25 | JeffM2501 | of course you do |
| 16:55.55 | I_Died_Once | yeah? |
| 16:56.03 | I_Died_Once | I doubt you other brothers can deny... |
| 16:56.20 | JeffM2501 | I get sprung |
| 16:57.11 | teh_conquerer | wtfpancakes? |
| 16:58.15 | I_Died_Once | I had pancakes on the Shoney's breakfast bar this morning |
| 16:58.32 | I_Died_Once | I took off of work today to go to a party last night and I drank too much |
| 16:59.28 | I_Died_Once | I do that about twice a year to remind myself why I dont drink regulary, and why I'd rather burn one |
| 16:59.59 | JeffM2501 | you had to work today? |
| 17:00.03 | JeffM2501 | on a weekend? |
| 17:00.11 | I_Died_Once | I normally have to work on SUnday mornings, yeah |
| 17:00.16 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 17:00.25 | I_Died_Once | I'm off on Monday and Tuesday |
| 17:00.51 | I_Died_Once | I'm luck to have a job anymore |
| 17:00.53 | JeffM2501 | must make it hard to schedule stuff with other people |
| 17:01.04 | I_Died_Once | yeah, my social life suffers because of it |
| 17:01.27 | I_Died_Once | but its a job, I get to do cool stuff like load dead bodies and ship cats and dogs |
| 17:01.31 | I_Died_Once | and fly for free |
| 17:20.49 | teh_conquerer | time to shoot people in the head |
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| 17:54.25 | spldart | finally got the last of the bzfs issues sorted out LATE last night.... |
| 17:54.36 | spldart | ~bzfquery 67.10.221.4 |
| 17:54.49 | spldart | apache up and running too |
| 17:55.03 | spldart | http://67.10.221.4:91/ |
| 17:55.26 | spldart | wanna do samba next but something STUPID is holding me up.... |
| 17:55.44 | spldart | I can't get my second hd to mount... esp automount |
| 17:56.27 | spldart | It's hdb.. 1.7 gig... I can see and delete/make partitions with fdisk...but I can't seem to format it or mount it for that matter :( |
| 17:56.30 | Tupone | why automount? is an hard-disk connected ever |
| 17:57.09 | spldart | maybe automount is the wrong term... but I would like it to be available in my home user directory all the time right after boot up |
| 17:57.10 | Tupone | how many partition you want to put there? |
| 17:57.15 | spldart | just 1 |
| 17:57.39 | Tupone | you have already created a partition with fdisk? |
| 17:57.48 | spldart | yeah... lemme get the infor for yah |
| 17:58.27 | spldart | well... |
| 17:58.36 | spldart | never mind.. fdisk says it's messed up. |
| 17:58.53 | spldart | what is the best fdisk option for a debian second drive for serving files out of? |
| 17:59.10 | spldart | no partion defined now... |
| 17:59.22 | Tupone | you are root? fdisk /dev/hdb |
| 17:59.26 | spldart | yes |
| 17:59.43 | Tupone | then o |
| 18:00.03 | Tupone | to clear all the old data |
| 18:00.18 | Tupone | then n to create a new partition |
| 18:00.26 | spldart | Warning: Invalid flag 0x0000 of partion table 4 will be corrected by write |
| 18:00.32 | Tupone | and give all default |
| 18:00.41 | Tupone | have you pressed o |
| 18:00.55 | spldart | o gave me that warning message |
| 18:01.13 | Tupone | ok, then continue createing the 1st and only partition |
| 18:01.24 | Tupone | with all the default value |
| 18:01.34 | spldart | extended or primary... I assme primary with 1 |
| 18:01.45 | spldart | ok done |
| 18:01.56 | Tupone | p to write the content |
| 18:02.10 | spldart | k |
| 18:02.16 | Tupone | then w to write |
| 18:02.23 | spldart | done |
| 18:02.40 | Tupone | so you are now out of fdisk |
| 18:02.58 | Tupone | mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1 |
| 18:04.24 | spldart | hrm... I had doine mkfs -c /dev etc etc and was getting bad superblocks.... guess I went about it wrong |
| 18:04.41 | spldart | ok done |
| 18:04.50 | spldart | is it time to edit fstab? |
| 18:05.03 | Tupone | you have to make a dir on where you want to mount |
| 18:05.16 | spldart | ok... making now |
| 18:05.38 | Tupone | then: mount /dev/hdb1 /your/dir/name |
| 18:06.30 | spldart | I must specify the filesystem type ? |
| 18:06.38 | Tupone | you should not |
| 18:07.32 | spldart | ok got it... one to many / |
| 18:08.06 | spldart | now... will it auto remake this connection or do I have to remount each reboot?> |
| 18:08.07 | Tupone | nope, you have to edit /etc/fstab |
| 18:08.23 | spldart | how would I make fstab place that drive in the folder of my choosing? |
| 18:08.45 | Tupone | hmm, I think you have instruction on fstab |
| 18:08.59 | Tupone | or just copy a line that does similar things |
| 18:09.12 | spldart | ah |
| 18:09.15 | spldart | thanks much :) |
| 18:09.38 | spldart | *copying instructions he just recieved for next time he humps the linux system to death |
| 18:10.56 | I_Died_Once | ~bzfquery 69.136.41.111:4200 |
| 18:15.52 | spldart | ah... figured fstab mount placement out :P) |
| 18:16.13 | spldart | now to reconfigure apache and install and configure samba |
| 18:23.36 | I_Died_Once | I never got apache to work for me |
| 18:23.44 | I_Died_Once | i might tap on that tomorrow |
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| 18:36.37 | DTRemenak | SportyGal: pong |
| 18:38.52 | Tupone | DTRemenak: ready for some shooting on my server ? |
| 18:39.03 | DTRemenak | Tupone: sure |
| 18:39.09 | Tupone | or yours if you updated |
| 18:39.28 | DTRemenak | not recently |
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| 18:46.42 | ToughShooter | ~Tupone++ |
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| 18:48.37 | Tupone | bryjen: I want to shoot someone :/ |
| 18:48.52 | Tupone | got a bug where shoot where ignored by server |
| 18:49.10 | Tupone | I think I fixed, but I need to test whatever is still wrong |
| 18:49.19 | Tupone | I hope nothing |
| 18:49.39 | Tupone | s/shoot/shot/ |
| 18:50.08 | bryjen | it's compiling now |
| 18:50.17 | spldart | c'mon samba *fingers crossed* |
| 18:50.27 | Tupone | server ? |
| 18:50.42 | ToughShooter | brlcad: ping |
| 18:50.55 | spldart | yeah |
| 18:52.20 | brlcad | ToughShooter: pong |
| 18:52.28 | Tupone | hi brlcad |
| 18:53.03 | ToughShooter | brlcad: can you run bzflag and switch user accounts and when being back at the account the bzflag app runs try to make it using fullscreen? |
| 18:53.08 | brlcad | Tupone: ciao |
| 18:54.07 | spldart | craptastic... fstab set to automount data drive to home/user... but that seems to delete everything in /home/bzuser at every boot |
| 18:54.32 | ToughShooter | I think it should crash, otherwise my boxes are messed up somewhat (as they give me different crash reasons) |
| 18:56.33 | brlcad | ToughShooter: "switch user accounts"? |
| 18:56.56 | brlcad | you mean use a different callsign? |
| 18:57.03 | DTRemenak | Tupone: my bzflag has decided to switch to gdi generic rendering, and I can't figure out why :( |
| 18:57.22 | Tupone | ok :( |
| 18:57.25 | ToughShooter | like opening bzflag under account name 1, fast user switching to acount 2. then switch back to account 1 and try to make bzflag go fullscreen |
| 18:57.48 | brlcad | oh, mac user account switching |
| 18:58.14 | brlcad | i can imagine that would cause problems ;) |
| 18:58.15 | bryjen | "fast user switching" ? Isn't that the MS name for that feature? |
| 18:58.54 | ToughShooter | brlcad: no different callsign. I use another user account for x-chat aqua and bzflag for example. that's why it has crashed. I looked for chat when playing a longer time |
| 18:58.56 | brlcad | bryjen: same name, mac feature first |
| 18:59.38 | bryjen | ah |
| 19:00.24 | ToughShooter | brlcad: I had older builds <2.0.3 running within the same account so I thought it wouldn't crash but it does, too for me. |
| 19:00.39 | bryjen | eep I seem to have two bzfs-es |
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| 19:04.53 | Alex135 | ummm i have a question agin lol |
| 19:05.36 | Alex135 | is their a windows compiler that i can use to compile bzflag sorce |
| 19:05.48 | Alex135 | if so where can i git it |
| 19:07.10 | brlcad | Alex135: you can buy visual studio |
| 19:07.16 | brlcad | or try your hand at dev-c++ |
| 19:07.23 | brlcad | google is your friend |
| 19:07.24 | SilentSwan | http://www.bloodshed.net/devcpp.html |
| 19:07.39 | brlcad | or SilentSwan |
| 19:07.44 | Alex135 | thx |
| 19:07.46 | Alex135 | :) |
| 19:08.20 | SilentSwan | hehe |
| 19:08.22 | Alex135 | bye :) thx agin |
| 19:08.23 | SilentSwan | np |
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| 19:10.01 | ToughShooter | brlcad: It would be nice if you tell me the result after it has crashed. my desktop gets this error: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/27051 |
| 19:10.17 | ToughShooter | or if it doesn't crash at all for you |
| 19:14.43 | I_Died_Once | anyone of you guys ever had some Brunswick Stew? |
| 19:15.21 | brlcad | ToughShooter: I would expect any of them to crash, and not because of using the same or different accounts |
| 19:16.17 | ToughShooter | huh? |
| 19:20.48 | ToughShooter | brlcad: When I ran 2.0.2 it was the same account as x-chat aqua runs on. So I never used the "fast user switching". That came after 2.0.3 (as I seperated game and x-chat data and therefore used "fast user switching"). You said you had never noticed it so I am only wishing confirmation. |
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| 19:22.29 | ToughShooter | brlcad: that means it doesn't matter which account is used, only whether fast user switching has been used |
| 19:22.51 | brlcad | right |
| 19:23.04 | brlcad | when you switch users, the graphics contexts are destroyed |
| 19:23.19 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Tupone and I found out that calling SDL_SetVideoMode when the account is not in foreground it lets SDL apps crash but this is a different case |
| 19:23.21 | brlcad | so when you return, you're at an invalid context trying to manipulate it |
| 19:23.49 | brlcad | hence a crash |
| 19:24.29 | spldart | woohoo... Debian netinst, bzcompiled and server up and running, apache installed and up and running, samba installed and up and running and no crutches.. ie: gnome, xwin, or other gui like appies. |
| 19:24.36 | Tupone | brlcad: MacOSX invalidates the context? |
| 19:24.37 | ToughShooter | so a new drawable and context would have to be created? |
| 19:24.38 | spldart | Just you fine peeps help |
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| 19:25.12 | brlcad | Tupone: yes, the context is invalidated on any "resize" or "save/restore" operation |
| 19:25.24 | brlcad | and fast user switching is a massive save/restore ;) |
| 19:25.28 | Tupone | linux does not :) |
| 19:25.29 | ToughShooter | eek |
| 19:25.34 | brlcad | linux is the only that doesn't |
| 19:25.37 | brlcad | the spec allows it |
| 19:25.49 | Tupone | all the unix, GLX specify it |
| 19:25.56 | Tupone | well, wronf |
| 19:25.58 | Tupone | g |
| 19:25.59 | brlcad | right, glx/mesa |
| 19:26.06 | Tupone | all the GLX implementation |
| 19:26.19 | brlcad | win and mac invalidate iirc |
| 19:26.31 | Tupone | win I know for sure :/ |
| 19:26.42 | ToughShooter | So is an error of BZFlag or SDL? |
| 19:26.54 | brlcad | regardless, it's a behavior that the spec allows so it shouldn't be presumed to be preserved regardless |
| 19:27.09 | brlcad | hmm, one too many regardlesses ;) |
| 19:27.54 | brlcad | ToughShooter: probably "yes" -- both, the problem could be fixed in either bz or sdl |
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| 19:28.02 | brlcad | sdl probably leaves it up to the app developers |
| 19:28.34 | Alex135 | it isnt working when i try to compile it has a whol bunch of error's |
| 19:28.35 | brlcad | the macs send the apps a notification when the context is destroyed for cocoa/carbon apps, i'm not sure where in the event loop we'd be able to catch that event |
| 19:28.53 | ToughShooter | all I know maximizing the client window does not make the client crashing |
| 19:28.56 | brlcad | the crash itself is inside sdl, so that's something they're not supporting (which I'd call an sdl bug) |
| 19:29.12 | brlcad | ToughShooter: of course, we specifically added support for that |
| 19:29.22 | brlcad | the context is destroyed and recontructed fully on a resize |
| 19:29.37 | brlcad | but has no knowledge that it's destroyed when you switch users while playing |
| 19:29.45 | Alex135 | i am using Dev-C to compile but when i try to compile the sorce it has a bunch of error's |
| 19:29.59 | ToughShooter | well, itunes has mystically |
| 19:30.04 | brlcad | in general, i'd say switching users while playing is strictly NOT supported as that's not a gaming behavior |
| 19:30.18 | ToughShooter | :(( |
| 19:30.20 | brlcad | ToughShooter: i didn't say all apps |
| 19:30.42 | brlcad | cocoa/carbon apps get a context change notification and can respond to it |
| 19:30.46 | brlcad | not that itunes in an opengl app :P |
| 19:30.58 | brlcad | this is specific in regards to opengl context |
| 19:31.17 | ToughShooter | heh, with code injection it may could |
| 19:31.44 | ToughShooter | but this is another topic.. |
| 19:31.55 | Tupone | SDL could take care of it , and give the application an event like context recreated |
| 19:32.33 | brlcad | yeah, in the ideal case, sdl should be the ones handling the reconstruction -- not bz |
| 19:32.45 | brlcad | it's just messy platform-specific detection code |
| 19:32.50 | brlcad | and sdl is supposed to be that for us |
| 19:33.23 | Tupone | but that is platform dependent so is their business |
| 19:33.37 | brlcad | yep |
| 19:33.53 | brlcad | i think they'll eventually do it, or we could patch them up ;) |
| 19:34.21 | Tupone | brlcad: I need brain-storming on shots . |
| 19:34.48 | Tupone | I want to remove cinematic info from shot and derive from the shooting tank |
| 19:35.07 | brlcad | cinematic? |
| 19:35.19 | Tupone | I already added a tank update *MsgPlayerUpdate) before the begin shot |
| 19:35.24 | Tupone | speed, position |
| 19:36.08 | Chestal | hmm, for optimization? |
| 19:36.10 | Tupone | ~spell cinematic |
| 19:36.32 | Tupone | Chestal: sometime I get shot starting from a position the tank is not more |
| 19:36.49 | Tupone | like when falling |
| 19:36.54 | Tupone | lag |
| 19:37.32 | Tupone | and I want to remove cheat code for shot, and leave only for tanks |
| 19:37.46 | ToughShooter | but when the context is destroyed why does bzflag still update its window in windowed mode before crashing at attempt to switch to fullscreen |
| 19:38.41 | brlcad | why not modify shot packet to include tank position and speed |
| 19:38.54 | brlcad | then there won't be ordering problems |
| 19:39.08 | Tupone | I did quite the same, adding the msgplayerupdate in the same IP packet |
| 19:39.16 | brlcad | or multiple packets when both are effectively needed |
| 19:40.50 | Tupone | I did 2 things, packing every udp message in the same frame, if we can send udp message in the same rendering loop, and adding a playerupdate just before a beginshot |
| 19:41.17 | brlcad | still, why not combine them if it's needed or always useful with the shot? |
| 19:41.23 | Chestal | the server already tried to pack several msgs into one UDP packet? |
| 19:41.29 | Tupone | yep |
| 19:41.38 | Tupone | Chestal: yes, but not the client |
| 19:41.45 | Tupone | the client is doing it now |
| 19:42.19 | Tupone | If that works, I come with the problem for weapon shot :/ |
| 19:43.03 | Tupone | mean world shot |
| 19:43.28 | Tupone | I can introduce something like a world tank |
| 19:43.41 | Chestal | I don't knwo much about world weapons |
| 19:43.46 | Chestal | there are WorldPlayers |
| 19:43.59 | Tupone | It seems they can tilt shot too :/ |
| 19:45.08 | Tupone | brlcad: I'm not combining those, explicitly, as I want to share the same code in the client for the DR |
| 19:46.01 | brlcad | not following |
| 19:46.21 | brlcad | the client wouldn't have to use it if it didn't want to (making it just like existing shot updates) |
| 19:46.31 | ToughShooter | brlcad: What will be done about the problem? Will you file a report? |
| 19:46.32 | Tupone | the player update message I'm receiving, I want to use that for the DR. Even when attached to a shot |
| 19:46.58 | brlcad | sure, that doesn't change though if they're combined.. |
| 19:47.38 | brlcad | there will be player updates streaming, and shot updates which happen to have the exact relevant velocity/position at shot time |
| 19:47.41 | Tupone | the cheat code make it bad to combine |
| 19:47.59 | brlcad | i don't follow |
| 19:48.14 | brlcad | the actual dr should be in the server |
| 19:48.16 | Tupone | yeah, I'm doing that now. Only they are 2 message |
| 19:48.22 | brlcad | actual deaths should be caused by server |
| 19:48.42 | Tupone | that is after . One things at time :) |
| 19:48.47 | brlcad | i know .. that's my point though -- if they are always useful together, why not combine them :) |
| 19:49.28 | Tupone | playerupdatemessage can be useful even without shot |
| 19:49.36 | brlcad | sure |
| 19:49.44 | brlcad | i'm not saying take that away |
| 19:49.56 | Tupone | so I have to share the code for both |
| 19:49.58 | brlcad | it just wouldn't need to get packed separate |
| 19:50.07 | Tupone | code is not very well proc'ed |
| 19:50.28 | brlcad | the shot code would just call the routine for the position update, yet still have the position update info for exact dr right there |
| 19:50.29 | Tupone | same IP packet now |
| 19:50.57 | brlcad | same ip packet is not the same as making them them same bz packet or you wouldn't be arguing :) |
| 19:51.28 | Tupone | for timing is the same |
| 19:51.54 | Tupone | and I need correct sync between them |
| 19:52.08 | Chestal | maybe it's best to look at world weapons issue first |
| 19:52.57 | brlcad | well, I've spoken my thoughts -- if you don't agree that's fine -- but it really just doesn't make sense of why not to combine the position info with the shot to me as it's always useful, and you're guaranteed that you know exactly where the shots came from |
| 19:53.03 | Chestal | i.e. if player has all the info for world weapons, too, without coordinates in BeginShot |
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| 19:53.40 | Tupone | brlcad: I was starting that way, then I stopped because of the code :/ |
| 19:53.46 | brlcad | there's always the case that someone will remove the separate position update and repack it differently down the road and it doesn't affect protocol so it could happen at any time (and then you'd lose the position info) |
| 19:54.26 | brlcad | the alternative of combining means you can't separate or have position updates confused without specifically breaking protocol |
| 19:54.47 | Tupone | brlcad: I'm open to that, but I can do later |
| 19:55.00 | Tupone | now is just easier to do |
| 19:55.08 | brlcad | fair enough :) |
| 19:55.15 | Alex135 | i need help with dev-C |
| 19:55.29 | Alex135 | and compileing bzflag with it |
| 19:55.38 | Alex135 | :-( |
| 19:55.41 | Chestal | did I mention that we really need an up-to-date network protocol description? :-) |
| 19:55.50 | Tupone | lol :) |
| 19:55.58 | Chestal | with every change its gettign more and more out of sync |
| 19:56.14 | brlcad | Chestal: yep |
| 19:56.41 | Chestal | maybe write a tool to create one automatically by scanning the code? ;-) |
| 19:56.47 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:57.03 | brlcad | i was just thinking what could be done to always keep them in sync |
| 19:57.14 | Tupone | Alex135: README.MINGW is thebest document to look for compiling bzflag. you need MingW for that |
| 19:58.07 | Tupone | Perhaps need to get a new packet for world weapon? or remove the tilt? or add the tilt to the shot |
| 19:58.16 | Tupone | to evry shot |
| 19:58.54 | Chestal | can one world weapon shoot in different directions? Or even change position? |
| 19:59.39 | Tupone | hmm, we could have a world tank that move before shooting, in every place |
| 19:59.42 | brlcad | maybe some text id tied to protocol pack types that both client/server use and just feed values in to a packet factory of some sort |
| 20:00.09 | Tupone | brlcad: we need the semanthic and sequence |
| 20:00.19 | Tupone | ~spell semanthic |
| 20:00.31 | Tupone | 1st one |
| 20:01.12 | brlcad | Tupone: I know, I'm thinking the packet factory would be like a lexer/parser where it would expect tokens/packets/values in certain types of valid sequences |
| 20:01.26 | brlcad | heck it could even be lex/yacc under the hood |
| 20:01.47 | brlcad | that would be pretty sweet -- you'd have a BNF of the protocol in-code |
| 20:01.57 | Tupone | recently you fal in love with lex/yacc :) |
| 20:02.11 | brlcad | i'm a convert, pretty cool stuff |
| 20:03.03 | Chestal | or use boost::spirit to do it all in C++ :_) |
| 20:03.41 | Chestal | http://www.boost.org/libs/spirit/index.html |
| 20:03.59 | Chestal | I don't really know anything about it though |
| 20:04.05 | brlcad | spirit.sf.net too |
| 20:04.13 | brlcad | cool |
| 20:05.22 | Tupone | does the shot trajectory travel on the net, for each segment ? |
| 20:05.39 | Tupone | or is computed by each client? |
| 20:07.03 | Tupone | I quick blink that site |
| 20:08.04 | Chestal | segment? for ricochet shots? |
| 20:08.32 | Chestal | there's only a MsgShotBegin, nothing more |
| 20:08.44 | Chestal | well, except for GMs when the target changes |
| 20:09.13 | Tupone | I should look at the format of MsgShotBegin |
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| 20:09.31 | Tupone | I hope no array there |
| 20:09.37 | Chestal | nah |
| 20:09.47 | Chestal | segmented shot is done by each client |
| 20:10.11 | Chestal | hmm |
| 20:10.22 | Chestal | I wonder what is with the rotatign objects I have seen? |
| 20:10.41 | Chestal | can they interact with shots and tanks? |
| 20:10.53 | Tupone | only visual |
| 20:11.00 | Tupone | color |
| 20:11.05 | Chestal | ok, so full shot path is still deterministic |
| 20:11.13 | Chestal | unless it hits a tank |
| 20:11.25 | Tupone | and get an end shot |
| 20:11.56 | Chestal | if shot path was sent over net, it would allow for some funny cheats |
| 20:12.05 | Chestal | shots which change direction in open space :-) |
| 20:13.34 | Tupone | only pos[3] and speed[3]. |
| 20:14.19 | Tupone | we have the vertical speed for tank even, so we could give that to a world tank |
| 20:17.18 | Chestal | for tilted shots? (btw. tilt = shots not parallel to ground?) |
| 20:18.27 | Tupone | I guess so |
| 20:18.46 | Tupone | dunno for sure. Never configured |
| 20:19.08 | Chestal | do you know which information is sent to clients for world weapons when they join? |
| 20:19.24 | Tupone | :( no |
| 20:19.37 | Chestal | Player class probably has no real means to represent tilted player |
| 20:20.14 | Chestal | it _has_ a full forward vector, hmm |
| 20:20.47 | Tupone | I think is just a shot |
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| 21:01.57 | SaintBlue | hi any help available? |
| 21:07.28 | Tupone | SaintBlue: help on what? |
| 21:07.43 | SaintBlue | got prob with 2.0.4 |
| 21:07.58 | Tupone | can you be more specific ? |
| 21:08.27 | SaintBlue | yes sure ;) error message:world cache files disappeared |
| 21:08.37 | SaintBlue | on W2K |
| 21:09.44 | Tupone | Need support from a windows guy then |
| 21:09.56 | SaintBlue | why is that? |
| 21:10.03 | Tupone | DTRemenak |
| 21:10.09 | SaintBlue | ok |
| 21:10.12 | SaintBlue | thx |
| 21:10.35 | Tupone | or jeffM but is not here. blast007 could help probably |
| 21:10.58 | SaintBlue | blast007 you there? |
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| 21:11.44 | SaintBlue | I'll try later cu |
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| 21:30.47 | brlcad | SaintBlue: the client caches the world files, that error is saying that they disappeared unexpectedly |
| 21:30.55 | brlcad | like if you delete the files while playing the game |
| 21:31.34 | ToughShooter | or probably hit connect two times while it is about to download the files |
| 21:31.40 | brlcad | it shouldn't be a "problem" -- just don't remove the files until you quit the game ;) |
| 21:31.47 | brlcad | if you didn't remove the files, something else did |
| 21:31.59 | brlcad | regardless, it's not a "fatal error" .. just try connecting again |
| 21:32.07 | brlcad | or restart bz in the worst case |
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| 21:53.13 | bz9319 | can some one help me set up and groupd/user file |
| 21:53.56 | bz9319 | ?? anyone |
| 21:54.32 | bz9319 | so far i have "JRADMIN: playerlist ban kick"; |
| 21:54.37 | uso | Tupone: there's also a server option can be set so that shots from tanks keep the vertical velocity of the tank firing it (_shotsKeepVerticalVelocity) |
| 21:54.38 | bz9319 | anyone help me?? |
| 21:55.02 | Tupone | uso: I know, basically I did it |
| 21:55.16 | bz9319 | so anyone answer my question? |
| 21:55.22 | uso | ok :) |
| 21:55.43 | bz9319 | ...? |
| 21:57.21 | bz9319 | lol |
| 21:58.53 | uso | you know even the smallest beat of a wing of a butterfly is able to change global weather ;) |
| 21:59.14 | SilentSwan | good thing i didn't sneeze, too |
| 21:59.20 | arachnist | "the butterfly effect" |
| 21:59.24 | arachnist | ;> |
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| 23:03.07 | spldart | spldart waits for the alcohol to kick in |
| 23:04.13 | spldart | switching to linux..... |
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| 23:23.32 | Webstrand | how to compile bzedit? |
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| 23:27.00 | bz8752 | can anyone help me setup a user group file? |
| 23:27.21 | bz8752 | anyone?? |
| 23:27.21 | I_Died_Once | yeah, that relatively easy once you know how |
| 23:27.25 | bz8752 | k |
| 23:27.28 | bz8752 | so far i have.. |
| 23:27.31 | I_Died_Once | what operating system are you on? |
| 23:27.37 | bz8752 | JRADMIN: ban kick |
| 23:27.42 | bz8752 | WIN XP |
| 23:27.50 | bz8752 | so how do i set a person to that group |
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| 23:27.59 | I_Died_Once | is that a global group? |
| 23:28.05 | bz8752 | ? |
| 23:28.20 | I_Died_Once | did you request that group from Jeff on the bzflag forums? |
| 23:28.27 | bz8752 | i put it in the group file that is accessed through my config file |
| 23:28.29 | bz8752 | no |
| 23:28.32 | bz8752 | i just typed it |
| 23:28.37 | bz8752 | as i wrote above |
| 23:28.38 | I_Died_Once | aHHHHH |
| 23:28.41 | bz8752 | ? |
| 23:28.56 | bz8752 | am i being dumb? |
| 23:28.57 | Alex135 | join #bzchat |
| 23:28.59 | Alex135 | wops |
| 23:29.01 | Alex135 | sry |
| 23:29.09 | I_Died_Once | you need to go to the forums at bzflag.org - find the "request a group" thread and request a group |
| 23:29.18 | bz8752 | why |
| 23:29.26 | I_Died_Once | for global recognition |
| 23:29.29 | bz8752 | i want to add this on "MY" server |
| 23:29.42 | bz8752 | it needs to be global?? |
| 23:29.46 | I_Died_Once | yeah |
| 23:29.49 | bz8752 | why |
| 23:29.52 | bz8752 | and alright |
| 23:29.55 | I_Died_Once | its WORLDS easier |
| 23:29.59 | bz8752 | i will do it |
| 23:30.04 | I_Died_Once | anyway |
| 23:30.07 | bz8752 | ok sure |
| 23:30.34 | I_Died_Once | request the group JRADMIN... use the usergroup panel on the forums to add and remove people from the group |
| 23:30.49 | bz8752 | but isn't that on all servers |
| 23:30.58 | I_Died_Once | create a file, and it should contain JRADMIN:KICK BAN |
| 23:31.08 | bz8752 | i did |
| 23:31.22 | I_Died_Once | link that file in your conf with -groupdb /path/to/groups.txt |
| 23:31.31 | bz8752 | and i wrote the following in my config file "-groupdb [location of file]" |
| 23:31.38 | bz8752 | did that |
| 23:31.51 | bz8752 | but how do i add people to it |
| 23:31.55 | bz8752 | thats all i need to know |
| 23:31.56 | I_Died_Once | then when your server loads, its see the group "JRADMIN" as called upon in your setup, and members of that group will have whatever permissions you give |
| 23:32.00 | I_Died_Once | oh |
| 23:32.12 | I_Died_Once | in the forum, there is a "usergroups" tab |
| 23:32.15 | bz8752 | caz i read all the info on that |
| 23:32.18 | bz8752 | k |
| 23:32.22 | I_Died_Once | click it, select your group in the dropdown list... |
| 23:32.33 | I_Died_Once | then you'll see where you can add people |
| 23:32.39 | I_Died_Once | you can search for names and everythin g |
| 23:33.24 | bz8752 | but i can't just do it in my file |
| 23:33.27 | bz8752 | on my server |
| 23:33.30 | bz8752 | just curious |
| 23:33.43 | bz8752 | i understand what u said and have the page open now in another window |
| 23:35.17 | bz8752 | u ther? |
| 23:37.17 | bz8752 | ok ty for help |
| 23:39.45 | bz8752 | ok well can anyone else help |
| 23:39.53 | bz8752 | caz i looked at forum and that is not what i want |
| 23:40.02 | bz8752 | i want a group on MY SERVER! |
| 23:40.10 | bz8752 | my server nothing else |
| 23:40.21 | bz8752 | 04and add people to it |
| 23:40.57 | bryjen | then you need a userdb file and people will have to /register at your server. that is no longer the recommended way. |
| 23:41.20 | bz8752 | so if i make one on the forum |
| 23:41.49 | bz8752 | then if i add people will they automatically login with those permissions on my server? |
| 23:42.02 | bryjen | if you get a group made on the forum, you can use the forum to add anyone already registered at the forum |
| 23:42.14 | brlcad | bz8752: no color please unless there's strictly some useful purpose (which there never is) |
| 23:42.59 | bz8752 | ok i'm sry i never knew there were such strick rules, I won't do it again |
| 23:43.27 | bz8752 | then it will pick them up when they are on my server? |
| 23:43.57 | bz8752 | if so then how do i tell my server where to look? |
| 23:44.21 | bryjen | yes, you associate the group name with the permissions you want to give at your server |
| 23:44.44 | bryjen | in the groupdb file |
| 23:45.10 | bz8752 | so like give me an example of what i write in the groupdb file relating to the forum |
| 23:46.19 | bryjen | so far they've all been like ServerName.GroupName: Perm1 Perm2 Perm3 |
| 23:46.21 | bz8752 | ... |
| 23:46.29 | bz8752 | k |
| 23:46.48 | bz8752 | that matches what i put in the forum? |
| 23:47.20 | bryjen | yeah, the names is what it matches on |
| 23:47.30 | bz8752 | ah final someone explains it |
| 23:47.33 | bz8752 | ty very much |
| 23:48.07 | bz8752 | can i like write some documentation for others like myself? Many things I have had to ask because the documentation on "www.bzflag.org" is insuficient |
| 23:48.36 | bz8752 | and thank you again so much |
| 23:51.33 | bz8752 | ok n/m bye all |
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