| 00:02.16 | Tupone | yu can join now |
| 00:08.42 | SportChick | weird - I can see silvercat on the serverlist, but whenever I try to join, my client hangs. I've tried it with both 2.0.4 and 2.0.5 |
| 00:09.10 | SportChick | I can connect to other servers |
| 00:09.36 | Tupone | Error Connecting to server :/ |
| 00:09.57 | brad2901 | ~silvercat |
| 00:10.02 | ibot | methinks silvercat is ~bzfquery silvercat.tybox.net |
| 00:10.23 | brad2901 | ~no silvercat is <reply> see bzfquery silvercat.tybox.net |
| 00:10.25 | ibot | brad2901: okay |
| 00:10.29 | brad2901 | ~silvercat |
| 00:12.09 | brad2901 | SportChick: it's only 5154.. the other ports work fine still |
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| 00:24.04 | jomojo | hmm yeah i am having this issue with silvercat 5154 |
| 00:24.17 | jomojo | perhaps someone can suggest a reason why this is happening |
| 00:24.19 | jomojo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.44 | jomojo | is the only error message i get i have shutdown the port and when i bring it back up |
| 00:24.53 | jomojo | still get the same message |
| 00:25.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CmdLineOptions.h bzfs.cxx): fix player counts, limits, and teams in rabbit hunt mode |
| 00:28.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6.in: fix player counts, limits, and teams in rabbit hunt mode |
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| 00:33.51 | callofhonor | hello |
| 00:34.16 | callofhonor | i need help with 'if' commands |
| 00:34.30 | JeffM2501 | in what? |
| 00:35.27 | callofhonor | can you put multiple things inside of the parantesis? or do you have to do every thing seperatly |
| 00:35.33 | JeffM2501 | in what? |
| 00:35.49 | JeffM2501 | are you asking about a programing language? |
| 00:36.06 | callofhonor | if(whatever math goes in here) -can i put multiple problems in the paranthesis |
| 00:36.11 | callofhonor | C |
| 00:36.16 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 00:36.17 | callofhonor | Cpp |
| 00:36.18 | retro | callofhonor, what language are you writing in? It matters |
| 00:36.22 | retro | ah |
| 00:36.34 | JeffM2501 | if ( (x==y) || (x==z) ) |
| 00:36.48 | callofhonor | || is the or command |
| 00:36.51 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:36.57 | JeffM2501 | you can pack up as many of those as you want |
| 00:37.00 | callofhonor | and && is the 'and' command |
| 00:37.02 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:37.03 | retro | You can put multiple expressions in parenthesis. However, you better have a precedence chart on the wall if you get more than 1 or 2 items in there without parens |
| 00:37.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah if they get too big it's confusing |
| 00:37.26 | JeffM2501 | you can nest tests as much as you want |
| 00:37.31 | JeffM2501 | just remember they are all boolean tests |
| 00:37.36 | retro | I have the precedence chart from page 49 of the original K&R book hanging on my wall near my desk. :) |
| 00:37.44 | JeffM2501 | so stuff like if ( X == Y || == Z ) won't cut it |
| 00:38.35 | callofhonor | so say i could do something like, if(lenght>=10)||(width>=10)||(height>=10)? |
| 00:38.38 | retro | but if (x == y == z) should work, right? A bit confusing perhaps... |
| 00:38.53 | JeffM2501 | callofhonor, that is wrong |
| 00:39.01 | JeffM2501 | you need a () around it all |
| 00:39.08 | callofhonor | double parans all around- |
| 00:39.25 | JeffM2501 | if ( (thing) || (thing2) || (thing3) ) |
| 00:39.31 | callofhonor | ok |
| 00:39.35 | JeffM2501 | the if only does the parens next to it |
| 00:39.35 | callofhonor | thank you |
| 00:39.37 | retro | callofhonor, I highly recommend you purchase the Kernihan and Ritchie C book |
| 00:39.46 | JeffM2501 | and read the online tutorials |
| 00:39.56 | callofhonor | I'm using a Gude to Programming in Cpp |
| 00:40.09 | JeffM2501 | and it didn't go over basic ifs? |
| 00:40.18 | retro | The K&R book is what defines the language. it is unambiguous. |
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| 00:40.23 | callofhonor | it did, i just got confused |
| 00:40.36 | JeffM2501 | the KR book is what defines C |
| 00:40.44 | retro | true, not c++, just c |
| 00:40.56 | JeffM2501 | but what you are doing there is just plain c |
| 00:41.01 | retro | ya |
| 00:41.18 | retro | callofhonor, why did you choose the bzflag forum for a C++ question? :-) |
| 00:41.38 | JeffM2501 | because that's all that webchat would let him get to :) |
| 00:41.40 | callofhonor | it's the weekend |
| 00:41.51 | JeffM2501 | still this isn't a C++ help forum |
| 00:42.06 | JeffM2501 | so best keep it to a minimum |
| 00:42.08 | JeffM2501 | or in /msg |
| 00:42.17 | brlcad | or in #c |
| 00:42.24 | callofhonor | i know, but still, at least i got an answer i could understand |
| 00:42.24 | orchid | ugh |
| 00:42.26 | JeffM2501 | that would be best |
| 00:42.31 | orchid | that channel is crap |
| 00:42.32 | retro | Sometimes it's not much of a bzflag help forum either. :-) |
| 00:42.34 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:42.41 | JeffM2501 | callofhonor, you can just /msg me if you want |
| 00:42.46 | JeffM2501 | or IM |
| 00:42.52 | callofhonor | no im |
| 00:42.58 | JeffM2501 | sucks to be you then |
| 00:43.10 | callofhonor | i could email you, but that would take a while |
| 00:43.21 | callofhonor | i can live without IM, actually. |
| 00:43.49 | retro | I have IM on my T-Mobile Sidekick. It really helps me keep in touch with some friends who I'd otherwise never talk to. |
| 00:43.59 | retro | well, hardly ever. |
| 00:44.08 | JeffM2501 | callofhonor, then /msg |
| 00:44.18 | JeffM2501 | the general channel isn't for help on other stuff |
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| 00:59.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (SegmentedShotStrategy.cxx ShockWaveStrategy.cxx playing.cxx): more hunter-team-ness |
| 01:02.29 | DTRemenak | that should be all that's necessary |
| 01:05.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/OSX/osxview.cpp: possibly better depth buffer choice |
| 01:14.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/data/ (4 files): hunter data |
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| 01:54.59 | SilentSwan | hmm...can anyone alive here recommend a decent movie to rent???i need to find something |
| 01:55.02 | orchid | hello SilentSwan |
| 01:55.10 | SilentSwan | h |
| 01:55.12 | SilentSwan | hi |
| 01:55.27 | orchid | what kind of movie are you in the mood for? |
| 01:55.29 | brlcad | SilentSwan: what kind of move |
| 01:55.36 | brlcad | er, yeah :) |
| 01:55.39 | SilentSwan | well, maybe comedy |
| 01:55.41 | SilentSwan | or something creepy |
| 01:56.34 | orchid | scary movie creepy or Ben Affleck creepy? |
| 01:56.40 | orchid | hmm well I don't watch many scary movies |
| 01:56.40 | SilentSwan | hah |
| 01:56.40 | brlcad | hehe |
| 01:57.08 | SilentSwan | i don't watch many movies at all |
| 01:57.14 | SilentSwan | so i'm at a loss |
| 01:57.44 | brlcad | which perhaps explains the comedy or creepy inclination .. many of those really just aren't good movies :) |
| 01:57.52 | SilentSwan | true |
| 01:58.39 | orchid | great soundtrack also |
| 01:58.42 | SilentSwan | oook... i'll look that up |
| 01:59.41 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 01:59.44 | SilentSwan | i dunno about that one |
| 01:59.51 | SilentSwan | ah well, no worries |
| 01:59.54 | SilentSwan | i'll find something |
| 02:00.05 | SilentSwan | thanks |
| 02:00.05 | brlcad | Sin City has got some creepiness to it, decent casting/acting |
| 02:00.35 | brlcad | little bit of mystery and comic-book humor to it as well |
| 02:01.55 | SilentSwan | brb |
| 02:08.15 | SilentSwan | well, my friend gets off work in 2 hours so i've time to think about it :) |
| 02:08.25 | SilentSwan | meanwhile, coffee time |
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| 02:11.07 | JeffM2501 | ahhh such a fine day.....for science! |
| 02:11.49 | SilentSwan | it's blinding, isn't it? |
| 02:12.10 | JeffM2501 | that's only when there is a she involved |
| 02:12.20 | SilentSwan | :) |
| 02:12.21 | JeffM2501 | unless you are doing the blinding, then that is perfectly acceptable |
| 02:13.00 | SilentSwan | i try my best |
| 02:13.48 | SilentSwan | oh... hey... question about wings3d.... |
| 02:13.54 | SilentSwan | and i know i forgot something stupid |
| 02:14.07 | SilentSwan | but... why do my models come out 90degrees on their side? :) |
| 02:14.11 | SilentSwan | in bz |
| 02:14.17 | JeffM2501 | mmmmmmmm.. such a fine day for..... strawberys |
| 02:14.37 | JeffM2501 | the "UP" in wings is the Y axis, the"UP" in bz is the Z axis |
| 02:14.43 | SilentSwan | ohhhhhh |
| 02:14.52 | SilentSwan | i remember now :) someone mentioned that yesterday |
| 02:15.04 | JeffM2501 | you using the exporter or the modeltool to convert? |
| 02:15.07 | SilentSwan | i guess there's no way to import a bzw file into wings? |
| 02:15.10 | SilentSwan | exporter |
| 02:15.16 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, well.... |
| 02:15.20 | JeffM2501 | with a current client |
| 02:15.31 | JeffM2501 | do a /saveworld -o |
| 02:15.36 | JeffM2501 | and give it a file name |
| 02:15.37 | SilentSwan | ahhh |
| 02:15.40 | SilentSwan | obj file? |
| 02:15.41 | JeffM2501 | that will save the map as an OBJ file |
| 02:15.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:15.43 | SilentSwan | ok |
| 02:15.51 | JeffM2501 | check the exporter |
| 02:15.59 | JeffM2501 | it may have a "flip YZ" option |
| 02:16.07 | JeffM2501 | if so turn that on and it will fix your rotation thing |
| 02:16.23 | JeffM2501 | I added one to the modeltool but I don't know if trepan did wings |
| 02:16.36 | SilentSwan | guess not |
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| 02:31.11 | SilentSwan | ok, i'm looking at a map (one of louman's) in the 2.0.5 client... the "trees" show up like coloured construction paper... MacOS X client |
| 02:31.23 | SilentSwan | i've seen the same map in a windows client and they look like... trees |
| 02:40.55 | JeffM2501 | your mac client didn't download the textures |
| 02:40.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/data/Makefile.am: install 'em too |
| 02:41.01 | JeffM2501 | what OSX version do you have? |
| 02:44.50 | SilentSwan | oh sorry.. it's the current 2.0.5 |
| 02:45.03 | SilentSwan | or is it still 2.0.4? |
| 02:45.50 | SilentSwan | oh, and the OS is 10.3 |
| 02:45.58 | SilentSwan | i know, i've got 3 things going on here |
| 02:46.49 | SilentSwan | make that 4.. brb |
| 02:49.52 | SilentSwan | *grr* ok.. all better now |
| 02:50.07 | SilentSwan | i seem to remember there was a download access control file??? |
| 02:50.16 | DTRemenak | mhm |
| 02:50.34 | SilentSwan | can someone refresh my memory on that one? |
| 02:50.57 | DTRemenak | ~/.bzf/2.0/DownloadAccess.txt probably |
| 02:51.10 | SilentSwan | ok... |
| 02:51.23 | DTRemenak | the first 9/10 of the file describes what the rest does |
| 02:51.34 | brlcad | monty python style |
| 02:51.47 | SilentSwan | good movie :) |
| 02:53.03 | SilentSwan | oh it does that every day |
| 02:53.39 | SilentSwan | well, that didn't work |
| 02:54.37 | SilentSwan | and neither did that |
| 02:54.38 | SilentSwan | ah well |
| 02:54.52 | SilentSwan | i don't care. it's MacOSX - this computer will be history soon enough |
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| 03:02.31 | SilentSwan | ok, problem solved |
| 03:02.42 | SilentSwan | blew away ~/Library/Application Support/BZFlag |
| 03:02.49 | SilentSwan | stupid macs |
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| 03:03.35 | brlcad | heh, that'd have nothing to do with it being a mac :P |
| 03:03.50 | SilentSwan | it would in that the location of the files are non-standard |
| 03:04.00 | SilentSwan | well, standard by Apple standards, i guess |
| 03:04.05 | brlcad | bzflag tells it to put the files there |
| 03:04.16 | SilentSwan | but i've found that apple standards are questionable at best |
| 03:04.17 | brlcad | nothing apple enforced it |
| 03:04.45 | brlcad | questionable to be organized in a logical manner? :) |
| 03:04.56 | SilentSwan | what's wrong with ~/.bzf? |
| 03:05.28 | brlcad | there's many answers to that question |
| 03:12.56 | SilentSwan | i see that if i specify a -directory option, then -solo does not work |
| 03:14.25 | SilentSwan | *sigh* guess i'll rebuild from the xcode package... |
| 03:15.32 | SilentSwan | which immediately crashes without any messages |
| 03:15.35 | SilentSwan | *sigh* |
| 03:15.36 | SilentSwan | anyway |
| 03:15.41 | SilentSwan | i gotta go... have important things to do |
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| 03:36.24 | mbfg | howdy |
| 03:36.27 | JeffM2501 | it's mac :) |
| 03:36.39 | mbfg | yo |
| 03:36.46 | bryjen | i=0@*.caltech.edu ?!? 0 as in.. |
| 03:36.47 | bryjen | ~root |
| 03:36.49 | ibot | hmm... root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. You will probably not be able to speak until change your user account. |
| 03:37.12 | DTRemenak | hrm. |
| 03:37.28 | DTRemenak | why so I am. thanks. |
| 03:38.17 | mbfg | heydee ho |
| 03:38.19 | JeffM2501 | how are the horses? |
| 03:38.23 | mbfg | s'ok |
| 03:39.28 | mbfg | i like the world weapons @ tank death |
| 03:39.47 | mbfg | and server antagonizing |
| 03:42.32 | orchid | come back DTRemenak, you can be root |
| 03:42.40 | brlcad | JeffM2501: there's means to query agl for the various supported bit types and options, like whether 32bit pixels or 24bit are available |
| 03:43.11 | JeffM2501 | ifigured as much |
| 03:43.21 | JeffM2501 | checking the gl samples now |
| 03:43.27 | brlcad | one of the demos goes over filling an array with all the supported context types |
| 03:43.47 | JeffM2501 | xcode works much better now that it has VC key bindings ;) |
| 03:43.51 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:44.14 | brlcad | emacs bindings are default, they know what works best ;) |
| 03:44.28 | JeffM2501 | F7 is the one true compile key |
| 03:45.12 | brlcad | i didn't even know that there was a vc key bindings in xcode :) |
| 03:45.13 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (5 files in 4 dirs): |
| 03:45.13 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: scale the GL context right |
| 03:45.14 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: fix stupid error |
| 03:45.35 | orchid | ~vc |
| 03:45.37 | ibot | the BZFlag development platform of choice. |
| 03:46.57 | JeffM2501 | well one would think that aglChoosePixelFormat would get as close as possible to what you ask for right? |
| 03:47.05 | JeffM2501 | bzflag asks for like 2 things and it works |
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| 04:12.43 | JeffM2501 | aww man |
| 04:13.00 | JeffM2501 | ctrl click allready means something in OSX dosnt' t? |
| 04:21.37 | brlcad | ctrl-click is equivalent to a right-click |
| 04:22.44 | JeffM2501 | on windows I'm using ctrl right drag for pan |
| 04:23.00 | JeffM2501 | guess maybe I could make it command right drag for pan |
| 04:23.17 | JeffM2501 | then it's the same key on each OS thats used for shortcuts |
| 04:40.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (inc/OSX/osxapp.h src/OSX/osxapp.cpp): some mouse draging |
| 04:41.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/Win32/winView.cpp: ws |
| 04:43.19 | TimRiker | where command == alt? |
| 04:43.42 | TimRiker | alt click on many window manager drags the window and does not arrive in the app. |
| 04:43.42 | JeffM2501 | same key pos |
| 04:43.51 | JeffM2501 | this is just OSX |
| 04:43.55 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 04:43.59 | JeffM2501 | sometimes it has to be done |
| 04:49.21 | JeffM2501 | I realy don't think this thing is rebinding it's context |
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| 08:52.40 | Tupone | DTRemenak: I continue to get Team full at time |
| 08:53.06 | Tupone | prolly when you leave you don't reset counter :/ |
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| 10:57.09 | stdoubt | are there cheats out for BZFlag?\ |
| 10:57.16 | stdoubt | yoohoo |
| 10:57.41 | stdoubt | 1st time i played it tonight and my shots semmed to do nothing |
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| 11:05.07 | orchid | ~ABI |
| 11:05.11 | ibot | i heard abi is Application Binary Interface |
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| 11:34.24 | ToughShooter | brlcad: It just crashed again and the changes you made seem to have no effect, did "./configure --enable-debug", too. For the record the output I got is at http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/26994 , in it's comment and an additional report at http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/26995 (the last one was too long for a comment) |
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| 15:11.38 | spldart | was wondering if a linux guru can help me get a test bzfs server running... I have compiled a latest bzflag on my debian macine I need to know what to do next... what directory would bzfs be in and stuff |
| 15:12.02 | RPG_ | if you compile BZFlag adn BZFS, all you have do do is type "bzfs" from the command line |
| 15:12.48 | spldart | I need to know what directory bzfs would install to by default and where I can find the .conf files etc. |
| 15:13.45 | spldart | After finishing my compile I have a 104.6meg file in my home directory |
| 15:14.19 | RPG_ | eemnh |
| 15:14.22 | spldart | How can I check if it's installed and if not how would I go about installing it |
| 15:14.58 | orchid | type 'which bzfs` |
| 15:15.14 | spldart | ie: in /home/user/bzflag I have dir's man, include win32 tools plugins etc etc |
| 15:16.06 | orchid | your username is 'user' ? |
| 15:16.06 | spldart | excellent.... which bzfs found bzfs and bzadmin in a heartbeat :) |
| 15:16.20 | spldart | now I have to find my .conf files and get a map and test this sucker out |
| 15:16.35 | spldart | thank you orchid and rpg |
| 15:17.36 | spldart | crap.. I was on www.ss64.com/bash looking for commands that 'find' and didn't think to search for a command that 'locate's |
| 15:17.37 | spldart | doh |
| 15:21.05 | BearPerson | locate == grep on a database created periodically by cronjob + find |
| 15:21.31 | BearPerson | locate doesn't help you when the file was created a Short Time (tm) ago |
| 15:23.03 | ruskie | I so love the configure messages looking for artificail inteligence for bzfs robots... not found |
| 15:23.37 | RPG_ | BZFS robots, eh? |
| 15:23.57 | ruskie | checking for artificial intelligence for bz's robots... not found |
| 15:24.05 | RPG_ | ahh |
| 15:24.11 | RPG_ | BZFS robots would be an innovation |
| 15:24.20 | ruskie | typoed |
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| 15:26.37 | gsnedders | is there anyway to disable the flag effects win 2.0.5 without reverting to a patch? |
| 15:26.52 | RPG_ | please elaboratye |
| 15:26.58 | RPG_ | i don't follow |
| 15:27.27 | ruskie | :) |
| 15:27.35 | ruskie | same here... that's why I'm updating the cvs to see |
| 15:27.54 | RPG_ | you mean like if you grab wings, make it so you won't fly? |
| 15:28.00 | ruskie | lol |
| 15:28.08 | ruskie | I think he means eyecandy type effects |
| 15:28.08 | gsnedders | RPG_: no |
| 15:28.12 | RPG_ | or if you grab high speed, make it so you can't go fast? |
| 15:28.14 | gsnedders | ruskie: yeah |
| 15:28.16 | RPG_ | ahhh |
| 15:28.20 | gsnedders | in 2.0.5 CVS |
| 15:28.24 | gsnedders | and 2.1 |
| 15:28.30 | RPG_ | there's flag effects? |
| 15:28.35 | BearPerson | aren't those supposed to be turn-off'able in the effects menu? |
| 15:28.40 | RPG_ | oh sweet! |
| 15:28.58 | ruskie | good thing I already have it cvs updated :) |
| 15:29.00 | gsnedders | BearPerson: couldn't find any options that did it |
| 15:30.12 | JeffM2501 | there is an effects menu |
| 15:30.22 | JeffM2501 | you can turn off fancy effects |
| 15:30.31 | gsnedders | but just the flags? |
| 15:30.41 | ruskie | lol |
| 15:30.47 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean by "flag effects" |
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| 15:30.53 | JeffM2501 | you want to not draw flags at all? |
| 15:31.04 | ruskie | that's possible iirc |
| 15:31.06 | gsnedders | no: you know how they now sort of blow |
| 15:31.13 | gsnedders | in fake wind |
| 15:31.13 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 15:31.17 | ruskie | oh |
| 15:31.18 | ruskie | those |
| 15:31.20 | ruskie | I like that |
| 15:31.21 | JeffM2501 | no, that is a base feature |
| 15:31.25 | gsnedders | :( |
| 15:31.59 | ToughShooter | it's only in experimental quality, IIRC |
| 15:32.26 | gsnedders | sometime in the last 2 weeks of october |
| 15:32.32 | gsnedders | that's recent for me :P |
| 15:32.33 | JeffM2501 | no they wave in all of them |
| 15:32.48 | JeffM2501 | experimental just increases the flag segments |
| 15:33.15 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, try difrent quality modes |
| 15:33.29 | JeffM2501 | that will lower the segmentation |
| 15:34.34 | gsnedders | oh well... |
| 15:34.42 | gsnedders | i guess i'll just have to live... |
| 15:36.01 | ruskie | hmmm protocol change in latest cvs... :( |
| 15:36.09 | ruskie | ahhh I grabbed 2.1 :( |
| 15:37.28 | ToughShooter | you may want to use -r v2_0branch ;) |
| 15:37.47 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 15:37.55 | ruskie | how soon till 2.1 is semi-stable to be used on servers? |
| 15:38.09 | JeffM2501 | umm it was just started |
| 15:38.22 | JeffM2501 | it's as "Stable" as 2.0.x |
| 15:38.29 | ruskie | ahh |
| 15:38.31 | JeffM2501 | it just has new features that broke protocoll |
| 15:38.37 | ruskie | like? |
| 15:38.43 | JeffM2501 | score is server side |
| 15:38.49 | JeffM2501 | stuff for bzadmin |
| 15:39.01 | JeffM2501 | acceleration is server side |
| 15:39.09 | JeffM2501 | check the changelog |
| 15:39.16 | JeffM2501 | it's going to change more as people add to it |
| 15:39.26 | JeffM2501 | so it's proto will break a lot more before 2.2.0 |
| 15:40.21 | RPG_ | Just curious, will there be a 3.0.0, or will it revert to 4.0.0 because of the odd-numbered devel versions? |
| 15:40.39 | JeffM2501 | the odd number is only for the minor |
| 15:40.51 | JeffM2501 | we had 1.10.x remember |
| 15:40.56 | JeffM2501 | that has an odd major |
| 15:41.18 | ruskie | :) |
| 15:41.28 | gsnedders | brb |
| 15:41.44 | JeffM2501 | basicly it's even minors for release, odd minors for dev, on any release version it's , even revisions for an update, odd revisions for dev testing of fixes |
| 15:42.00 | JeffM2501 | the major can change when we want it |
| 15:42.06 | JeffM2501 | usualy when somethign BIG is added |
| 15:42.12 | JeffM2501 | we went to 2.0 because of meshes |
| 15:42.13 | ruskie | or when you run out of numbers |
| 15:42.21 | RPG_ | hee |
| 15:42.28 | JeffM2501 | I don't think that will ever happen |
| 15:42.43 | JeffM2501 | untill meshes were added, 1.11.x was going to be shiped as 1.12 |
| 15:43.48 | BearPerson | hmmm |
| 15:43.53 | ruskie | or areas :) |
| 15:43.57 | BearPerson | yup |
| 15:44.05 | BearPerson | you can only spawn in the areas you hold |
| 15:44.06 | ruskie | would be fun to play imho |
| 15:44.15 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 15:44.15 | ruskie | yup |
| 15:44.27 | ruskie | along with if you lose an area team score drops |
| 15:44.35 | ruskie | the firs team to hold all the areas on the map wins |
| 15:44.39 | BearPerson | how would you take over an area? destroy some central structure? |
| 15:44.40 | ruskie | then both teams reset |
| 15:44.48 | BearPerson | be there for a while? |
| 15:44.50 | ruskie | more thinking of a tank in it |
| 15:44.50 | ToughShooter | Has the FPS stuff in energy server being changed to have 50FPS? I still get 29 |
| 15:44.54 | BearPerson | (unpaused) |
| 15:45.02 | ruskie | like for certain amount of time |
| 15:45.17 | BearPerson | ToughShooter, I think it's customizable somewhere |
| 15:45.24 | BearPerson | maybe only manually in .conf though |
| 15:46.12 | ToughShooter | I can't stop thinking of my HD when CPUs are at around 90C :( |
| 15:46.15 | ruskie | well the only two areas that aren't capturable would be team bases |
| 15:46.35 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 15:46.39 | ruskie | s/two// |
| 15:47.35 | BearPerson | otoh, when everything is capturable, you'll get some considerable resistance at the last area because the team keeps spawning there |
| 15:47.36 | ruskie | area would be defined as <x1,y1,z1><x2,y2,z2><x3,y3,z3> triangles |
| 15:47.45 | RPG_ | triangles? |
| 15:47.48 | ruskie | or easy kills |
| 15:47.48 | RPG_ | why not boxes? |
| 15:48.08 | ruskie | you can create a box out of triangles... but not a triangle out of box |
| 15:48.14 | BearPerson | meshes. :-) |
| 15:48.24 | ruskie | or that... |
| 15:48.48 | ruskie | I'd prefer triangles though... |
| 15:48.51 | ruskie | easier to work with... |
| 15:49.42 | BearPerson | maybe not as easy to code though |
| 15:55.38 | BearPerson | ToughShooter, set fpsLimit 30 |
| 15:56.24 | ruskie | time for some chaos on viper... or I might pay a visit to the bzflag olympics map... /me drools... |
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| 16:03.31 | JeffM2501 | who the hell keeps putting common in the freaking API!!!!! |
| 16:04.37 | ToughShooter | BearPerson: doh, I thought no UI means only on or off in prefs |
| 16:05.19 | BearPerson | yeah, I think they ought to put it in the UI too |
| 16:09.25 | BearPerson | probably because that meant implementing a cursor ;-) |
| 16:12.03 | ToughShooter | it's also a bit annoying to see that players with >2 seconds lag are not automatically defined as nr |
| 16:12.18 | RPG_ | hell, >1 second |
| 16:13.02 | brlcad | hell is a measure of time? interesting |
| 16:13.52 | BearPerson | huh? they pyrwall.png I get from CVS appears to be corrupted |
| 16:13.56 | JeffM2501 | hell is bzflag core headers in api.h |
| 16:14.12 | BearPerson | s/they/the/ |
| 16:14.15 | BearPerson | anon CVS that is |
| 16:15.20 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Seen my error logs from today? I wonder what I can do to stop it from crashing (without changing windowing modes) :/ |
| 16:15.33 | JeffM2501 | so.... brlcad how you do ing to day :) |
| 16:16.11 | BearPerson | nm, my cvs must have gotten confused |
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| 16:31.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 2 dirs): cleanups are nice and all, but there can NOT be any bzflag core headers included in bzAPI.h. Plugins may not have access to the full source and are often built seperate. The api is to be abstracted from bzflag. |
| 16:34.29 | JeffM2501 | there we go, now they work again :0 |
| 16:34.49 | JeffM2501 | until tupy hits them again |
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| 16:44.05 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Could this be from Tupone's changes, too? http://pastebin.com/410074 |
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| 16:46.01 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:46.21 | JeffM2501 | he had included some bzfs headers in bzAPI.h |
| 16:46.22 | linuxclub | SportChick, hi |
| 16:46.31 | JeffM2501 | so they were geting into the plugins |
| 16:47.29 | ruskie | can't play with such a team |
| 16:52.30 | SportChick | tupone/linuxclub: hi |
| 16:52.44 | SportChick | linuxclub: did you see your lag? |
| 16:53.04 | linuxclub | SportChick, trying to fix ... it is ubuntu |
| 16:53.15 | SportChick | linuxclub: ewwwwww |
| 16:53.31 | SportChick | linuxclub: so now it's not the "debian bug", it's the "ubuntu bug"? |
| 16:53.49 | linuxclub | SportChick, ubuntu is a debian derivative |
| 16:53.59 | SportChick | linuxclub: ahhh, ok |
| 16:54.06 | SportChick | linuxclub: well, it is still buggy |
| 16:54.21 | cosmos | linuxclub, is that as in a group of linux peeps or are you a tux fan who carries a big club? |
| 16:54.40 | SportChick | cosmol: hehe, you know him very well |
| 16:54.50 | SportChick | cosmos, even |
| 16:54.59 | cosmos | heh |
| 16:55.02 | linuxclub | is a club, actually with music, drink, and chicks :) |
| 16:55.11 | cosmos | yeah i believe that |
| 16:55.12 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 16:55.14 | Guu | SportChick: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 63°F. |
| 16:55.22 | SportChick | eek! cold! |
| 16:55.33 | SportChick | linuxclub: chicks, or SPORTchicks? |
| 16:55.34 | cosmos | sporty, ive noticed alot less troublemakers running a ffa server vs ctf |
| 16:55.59 | SportChick | cosmol: really? maybe secretplace should send some of their troublemakers over for you to enjoy |
| 16:56.02 | SportChick | grrrr |
| 16:56.06 | SportChick | cosmoS |
| 16:56.10 | linuxclub | SportChick, when are you coming here ? |
| 16:56.31 | SportChick | linuxclub: alas, no time soon. We ARE going to Hawaii tho |
| 16:56.42 | linuxclub | your next world round trip could stop here :) |
| 16:56.43 | cosmos | im sure they will come heh |
| 16:57.12 | SportChick | linuxclub: on our NEXT one, I'm sure we'd try - tho European prices are not conducive to spending much time when you're on a year-long budget |
| 17:12.29 | SportChick | time to go riding |
| 17:12.36 | SportChick | cya later |
| 17:12.40 | linuxclub | cya |
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| 17:19.25 | JeffM2501 | linuxclub, just so you know, I had to make some changes to get plugins to work |
| 17:19.45 | linuxclub | on 2.1 or 2.0 ? |
| 17:20.57 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 |
| 17:21.38 | linuxclub | well, that is ok. 2.1 is not just mine and DTRemenak :) |
| 17:21.49 | JeffM2501 | heh ok |
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| 17:21.58 | JeffM2501 | well you had asked me to build that one day to check |
| 17:22.02 | JeffM2501 | but I didn't build any plugins |
| 17:22.18 | linuxclub | hmm, 2.1 ? I don't remember |
| 17:22.21 | JeffM2501 | just so you know, bzAPI.h should not have any includes directly in it |
| 17:22.27 | linuxclub | Perhaps aI asked for 2.0.5 |
| 17:22.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah after you did your first big reorg of externs |
| 17:22.59 | JeffM2501 | maybe it was 2.0.5 |
| 17:23.03 | JeffM2501 | it was head at the time |
| 17:23.11 | linuxclub | yep, before branch |
| 17:23.16 | linuxclub | just |
| 17:23.54 | linuxclub | I see I put a bug in 2.0.4 that bots cannot join anymore a public server :( |
| 17:24.42 | linuxclub | Perhaps is a feature :) |
| 17:25.20 | JeffM2501 | heh' |
| 17:26.15 | linuxclub | trepan helped that too with the game time message. any message received before joining stop bots from joining |
| 17:26.34 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:27.02 | JeffM2501 | I'm just concerned about API purity |
| 17:27.17 | JeffM2501 | and I realy should fix the event stuff in 2.1 |
| 17:27.21 | JeffM2501 | they should not use the API |
| 17:28.11 | linuxclub | I wonder if you are thinking about the rewriting a la C. |
| 17:28.54 | linuxclub | DTRemenak, you get my message ? |
| 17:28.59 | JeffM2501 | no that would break plugins |
| 17:29.12 | JeffM2501 | and I'm not THAT concerned about it |
| 17:29.32 | linuxclub | current plugins you mean |
| 17:29.37 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:29.42 | JeffM2501 | and I don't think it adds much |
| 17:29.54 | JeffM2501 | other then the ability to link direclty to another language |
| 17:29.58 | JeffM2501 | and I don't think that is a good idea |
| 17:30.20 | linuxclub | well, basically it facilitate the integration with script languages |
| 17:30.26 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 17:30.32 | JeffM2501 | but a plugin could be made that does that |
| 17:30.44 | JeffM2501 | I don't think other langauges should clutter up the core of bzflag |
| 17:31.22 | JeffM2501 | but that's just my opinion |
| 17:31.25 | linuxclub | I don't think the current architecture is very reactive , but that is just my idea, without looking at the code |
| 17:31.28 | JeffM2501 | we'll see where it ends up |
| 17:32.36 | JeffM2501 | just difrent ways of doing it |
| 17:32.44 | JeffM2501 | I think they are both equaly valid |
| 17:32.48 | JeffM2501 | just difrent :) |
| 17:33.01 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways to skin a yac |
| 17:34.13 | JeffM2501 | god I love dual core, compiling AND burning A CD :) |
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| 17:37.50 | ibunny | :D tada! |
| 17:37.54 | linuxclub | hola ibunny |
| 17:37.57 | ibunny | :O |
| 17:38.08 | ibunny | hola linuxclub , q hay? |
| 17:38.32 | linuxclub | linuxclub abla no espanol :( |
| 17:38.34 | linuxclub | no abla |
| 17:38.49 | ibunny | ah cappice |
| 17:38.53 | ibunny | tupito bello |
| 17:39.10 | Tupone | ibunny, you are |
| 17:39.18 | ibunny | i wish. |
| 17:40.11 | JeffM2501 | how the hell does this compile for anyone? |
| 17:40.35 | JeffM2501 | void getClientVersionNumbers ( int&major, int& major, int* rev ); |
| 17:40.52 | ibunny | Good evening Mr myers |
| 17:40.59 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 17:41.00 | ibunny | Tupone, icarrot or igrapes |
| 17:41.01 | JeffM2501 | how are you? |
| 17:41.30 | Tupone | ibunny get icarrots only, for what I know |
| 17:41.32 | ibunny | thanks for your greetings, Im ok. |
| 17:42.28 | Tupone | JeffM2501, why it should not? |
| 17:42.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/include/PlayerInfo.h: don't those "other" compilers look at the prototypes? |
| 17:42.38 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, redefinition of major |
| 17:42.45 | Tupone | ahh |
| 17:42.50 | JeffM2501 | do icarrots come in blue? |
| 17:43.01 | ibunny | iblue |
| 17:43.24 | JeffM2501 | yup API is busted in 2.0 too |
| 17:43.31 | ibunny | O_o |
| 17:53.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h include/global.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): can't have bzflag internal headers in the API header, or plugins get them too |
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| 18:02.09 | RPG_ | http://science.howstuffworks.com/rail-gun.htm |
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| 18:02.47 | JeffM2501 | they arn't really efective as combat weapons |
| 18:02.53 | JeffM2501 | coilguns are better |
| 18:03.07 | RPG_ | I always thought they were just a ploy of videogames |
| 18:03.11 | spldart | wow.... new machine... new compile of bz and same failing to connect problem :( |
| 18:03.37 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:03.42 | JeffM2501 | they work |
| 18:03.51 | JeffM2501 | and can get ferics up to very high speeds |
| 18:04.02 | JeffM2501 | but the rails get mared after repeated fireings |
| 18:04.03 | spldart | Got line: "<br />"Got line: "<b>Warning</b>: fsockopen(): unable to connect to 67.10.221.4:5154 in <b>/var/www/bzfls.php</b> on line <b>538</b><br />"Got line: "failed to connect: Connection refused" |
| 18:04.36 | JeffM2501 | in a coilgun the projectile is suspended in the field |
| 18:04.46 | spldart | RAILGUN TALK?!?!?! |
| 18:04.49 | JeffM2501 | takes more power for less speed but it is not a destructive process |
| 18:05.15 | spldart | I've been wanting to make a magnetic gun that shoots 1cm ball bearings for quite a while now :) |
| 18:05.45 | JeffM2501 | coilguns are not hard to make |
| 18:06.06 | spldart | I was planning on using numerous high powered coils that trigger off of photo-interupters positioned for maximum excelration down the length |
| 18:06.50 | spldart | any idea why terminal dumps that last 4 lines when I try to start bzfs? |
| 18:06.50 | JeffM2501 | use a small microcontroller |
| 18:06.50 | JeffM2501 | to do the timings |
| 18:06.51 | JeffM2501 | spldart, because your connection was refused |
| 18:06.53 | spldart | that adds alot to the complexity of the build |
| 18:07.07 | spldart | What would cause connection refusal though? |
| 18:07.19 | JeffM2501 | remote host has no route |
| 18:07.22 | JeffM2501 | or is full |
| 18:07.24 | *** part/#bzflag ibunny (n=alex@pdpc/supporter/active/jolie) |
| 18:07.25 | JeffM2501 | or socket is busy |
| 18:07.53 | spldart | where would I start looking? I've been fighting this on and off for months on multi machines |
| 18:08.05 | spldart | hrm |
| 18:08.06 | JeffM2501 | the refulsal isn't on your side |
| 18:08.16 | JeffM2501 | it's on the remote host |
| 18:08.26 | spldart | ummm |
| 18:08.40 | ToughShooter | any gamesunited admins here? |
| 18:08.48 | spldart | is the problem with bz list server or maybe my provider blocked them or something? |
| 18:09.02 | JeffM2501 | ibot nslookup my.bzflag.org |
| 18:09.18 | ToughShooter | birdie: ping |
| 18:09.25 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 18:09.31 | JeffM2501 | that's the list server geting back to you |
| 18:09.43 | JeffM2501 | you are refusing a the list servers connection |
| 18:09.54 | JeffM2501 | when it trys to pingback your server |
| 18:09.56 | spldart | so the problem is on my side? |
| 18:10.03 | spldart | ping block.... |
| 18:10.12 | spldart | lemme recheck my router.... |
| 18:10.18 | JeffM2501 | it's not a real ping |
| 18:10.23 | spldart | or my provider blocked something |
| 18:10.29 | spldart | oh... not icmp |
| 18:10.36 | JeffM2501 | if they did, then noone could conenct extrnaly |
| 18:10.40 | JeffM2501 | to your machine |
| 18:10.46 | JeffM2501 | it's a game protcoll ping thing |
| 18:11.21 | JeffM2501 | a simple TCP connection |
| 18:11.24 | spldart | I just can't figure out what changed that prevents me from connecting from any of my machines |
| 18:11.39 | JeffM2501 | you get this in the client or server? |
| 18:12.08 | spldart | bzfs |
| 18:12.19 | spldart | I've been trying to host again for months... |
| 18:12.27 | JeffM2501 | your router set to route TCP and UDP? |
| 18:12.29 | spldart | every time I try I get connection problems |
| 18:12.36 | spldart | It was set to route all |
| 18:12.42 | JeffM2501 | what ISP? |
| 18:12.46 | spldart | on 5154 and 5123 |
| 18:12.52 | spldart | roadrunner time warner |
| 18:13.03 | JeffM2501 | they may have blocked listens or something |
| 18:13.24 | spldart | is there an option around that? |
| 18:13.28 | spldart | sorry |
| 18:13.29 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 18:13.36 | JeffM2501 | not if it's ISP side |
| 18:13.38 | spldart | so they have effectively taken me offline |
| 18:13.44 | JeffM2501 | for hosting |
| 18:13.49 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to check |
| 18:13.51 | spldart | How can I confirm it was them or not? |
| 18:13.55 | JeffM2501 | some ISPs do |
| 18:13.57 | JeffM2501 | call them and ask |
| 18:14.00 | spldart | sorry for taking over the chat. |
| 18:14.23 | JeffM2501 | basicly see if there is any way for you to get from outside in to your systems |
| 18:14.24 | spldart | oh... is that the only way or is there a sneaky way to bounce packets in and out to see if some don't make it |
| 18:14.26 | JeffM2501 | on any port |
| 18:14.38 | spldart | ah |
| 18:14.40 | JeffM2501 | no, ther eis no sneaky way |
| 18:14.52 | spldart | set apache back up and see if I can browse it from work |
| 18:14.55 | JeffM2501 | they simply don't route packets to you, that arn't on connections you didn't start |
| 18:14.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:15.20 | spldart | crapenzee dutch |
| 18:19.19 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (n=Birdie__@d54C34DE9.access.telenet.be) |
| 18:20.41 | ToughShooter | birdie: ping |
| 18:21.04 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Molez (n=admin@ACCA2FB0.ipt.aol.com) |
| 18:21.20 | Birdie | yes? |
| 18:22.22 | ToughShooter | there was a player with callsign "German" at gu and teamkilled his red mates on purpose, then he came back with my callsign but one more 'o' and teamkilled me on purpose |
| 18:23.02 | ToughShooter | Birdie: That was around 15 minutes ago |
| 18:24.10 | ToughShooter | Birdie: Can you ban? |
| 18:24.17 | Birdie | if he isnt there anymore, i cant |
| 18:24.22 | Birdie | no log acces |
| 18:24.27 | ToughShooter | Aww |
| 18:25.06 | spldart | grr installing xpdf-reader |
| 18:27.46 | ToughShooter | Birdie: Seems like the only advantage of having an '@' showing up is that you can do something against what you don't want. :/ |
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| 18:37.09 | spldart | gotta take daughter to birthday party then reset my router later and reconfigure just to be sure |
| 18:37.12 | spldart | cyah and thanks |
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| 19:04.15 | I_Died_Once | touchy touchy |
| 19:05.22 | arachnist | touch /mnt/girlfriend ;) |
| 19:06.21 | I_Died_Once | del .panties |
| 19:06.34 | arachnist | ;> |
| 19:08.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: more playercount fixes |
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| 19:20.56 | arachnist | I_Died_Once: del? not rm ? |
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| 20:17.15 | Mr_Molez | is it possible to wave loudly ? |
| 20:22.07 | Mr_Molez | i guess it is |
| 20:22.28 | SilentSwan | see? |
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| 20:29.54 | brad2901 | C:\Dev-Cpp\Bin\..\lib\gcc\mingw32\3.4.2\..\..\..\..\mingw32\bin\ld.exe: cannot find -lregex |
| 20:29.54 | brad2901 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 20:29.54 | brad2901 | make.exe: *** [../src/bzadmin/bzadmin.exe] Error 1 |
| 20:29.58 | brad2901 | any ideas how to fix that? |
| 20:30.10 | I_Died_Once | install regex |
| 20:30.36 | brad2901 | where do I download it? :\ |
| 20:30.39 | I_Died_Once | (thats just a guess) |
| 20:30.42 | brad2901 | k |
| 20:31.27 | SilentSwan | oooooh... pumpkin pie |
| 20:32.10 | SilentSwan | on the windows side, does it run "configure" the same as on other OS's? Shouldn't it have picked up regex wasn't there? |
| 20:32.18 | I_Died_Once | nah |
| 20:32.26 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 20:32.29 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.42 | I_Died_Once | runs a simple installer |
| 20:33.00 | SilentSwan | but he's building from source |
| 20:33.28 | I_Died_Once | oh, is THAT what brad is up to? |
| 20:33.35 | SilentSwan | :) |
| 20:33.39 | brad2901 | yes.. heh |
| 20:33.40 | SilentSwan | sure looks that |
| 20:33.41 | SilentSwan | way |
| 20:34.03 | I_Died_Once | I abandoned win32 for personal use about a year ago |
| 20:34.19 | SilentSwan | i *never* used it for personal use |
| 20:34.29 | SilentSwan | well, i had it on a laptop for testing, etc... |
| 20:34.37 | I_Died_Once | my first computer came with windows ME - my first real computer experience |
| 20:34.49 | I_Died_Once | cut my teeth on it |
| 20:35.02 | DTRemenak | brad2901: the dev-cpp project is broken more often than not |
| 20:35.24 | DTRemenak | I_Died_Once: any computer running ME is not a real computer :) |
| 20:35.28 | brad2901 | DTRemenak: that's good to know :) |
| 20:35.47 | I_Died_Once | I remember SEVERAL times after a fresh install, I would do the initial boot, and it would blue screen |
| 20:35.55 | SilentSwan | ooh, that pie was just a little *too* rich *burp* |
| 20:35.56 | DTRemenak | yup indeedy |
| 20:36.35 | DTRemenak | I_Died_Once: that's what I mean. Computers are normally deterministic, winme is not :) |
| 20:36.39 | SilentSwan | unfortunately, my new computer will be dual-boot linux and XP (maybe triple boot for another version of linux)... |
| 20:36.46 | SilentSwan | i need XP for photoshop and music editing stuff :( |
| 20:36.52 | ToughShooter | Can someone make a plugin that checks lag of new players 10 seconds after they joined and kick them in case they have more than 2 seconds lag? |
| 20:37.09 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: -lagwarn/-lagkick not working? |
| 20:37.10 | SilentSwan | ToughShooter the lagwarn on the server isn't working? |
| 20:37.39 | DTRemenak | SilentSwan: photoshop runs in wine. not sure about your music editing stuff. |
| 20:37.47 | SilentSwan | yeah, i may try that |
| 20:37.58 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: well, that is good for people who have something like 500-1000ms lag when 300ms lag is allowed |
| 20:38.21 | I_Died_Once | heh - I make money on the side installing windows 200, updateing it, and adding a bunch of norton, plus some freebies - for $50 a pop |
| 20:38.30 | I_Died_Once | **win2K |
| 20:38.52 | SilentSwan | give 'em that |
| 20:38.54 | SilentSwan | :) |
| 20:39.05 | DTRemenak | seeing as how that's what he runs |
| 20:39.10 | SilentSwan | ah hehe |
| 20:39.13 | SilentSwan | good |
| 20:39.56 | I_Died_Once | Yeah |
| 20:40.04 | SilentSwan | hmm |
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| 20:40.09 | I_Died_Once | I'm a suse user. |
| 20:40.16 | SilentSwan | greetings trepan |
| 20:40.29 | I_Died_Once | but I have mastered the ways of win2k optimization, usage, and stuff |
| 20:40.33 | SilentSwan | suse is great, but i'm starting to develop a liking for gentoo |
| 20:40.54 | I_Died_Once | the main difference anymore is KDE vs gnome |
| 20:40.57 | I_Died_Once | or IceBox |
| 20:40.58 | DTRemenak | slackware is where it's at |
| 20:41.07 | SilentSwan | i used to use slackware a looooooooooooong time ago |
| 20:41.13 | SilentSwan | like mid '90's or so |
| 20:41.16 | DTRemenak | I_Died_Once: some of us spend so little time in X that the DE doesn't matter ;) |
| 20:41.35 | I_Died_Once | I tried slack once and couldnt get the damn thing to install |
| 20:41.37 | SilentSwan | i prefer KDE, but the most used application on my system is the command shell :) |
| 20:41.44 | I_Died_Once | but they said that was one of the tricks to it |
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| 20:41.53 | I_Died_Once | but i was brand spanking new to it then too |
| 20:41.58 | I_Died_Once | I could do it now I'm nsure |
| 20:42.04 | trepan | salut swan |
| 20:42.07 | SilentSwan | ah, i had downloaded a copy of slackware off a BBS... floppy disk images |
| 20:42.11 | DTRemenak | I_Died_Once: the installer is nonlinear, it's a bit wierd unless you change your thinking a bit |
| 20:42.17 | SilentSwan | hah... it was painful, but i learned a LOT |
| 20:42.34 | I_Died_Once | my first linux was suse 9.1 PERSONAL |
| 20:42.44 | I_Died_Once | that sucker didnt even come with a compiler |
| 20:42.53 | I_Died_Once | I was all kinds of screwed up |
| 20:42.58 | SilentSwan | and then there's FreeBSD... I absolutely love it, but it sadly just doesn't cut it for desktop use since commercial vendors ignore it :( |
| 20:43.06 | DTRemenak | SilentSwan: yeah, I grabbed the floppies for slack 3 a long time ago too. bought a box of 200 floppies just for that. |
| 20:43.09 | SilentSwan | but whenever i build a server at work, it's usually got BSD on it |
| 20:43.19 | I_Died_Once | I built it up about hal way prog by prog until someone tipped me off exactly how to use yast |
| 20:43.31 | SilentSwan | *eek* hehe |
| 20:44.01 | DTRemenak | SilentSwan: I've switched to DragonFly recently. FBSD5 sucked badly enough at the beginning to make me look for another option. |
| 20:44.17 | SilentSwan | i have a friend who used to work for BSDi... so i've got all this BSD-related *stuff* around here.. |
| 20:44.25 | SilentSwan | presently sipping coffee from a BSDi coffee mug :) |
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| 20:44.32 | I_Died_Once | ooohhh |
| 20:44.40 | I_Died_Once | I want a BSD install disc, swan |
| 20:44.43 | SilentSwan | DTRemenak yeah, there are some things in the 5.x that bugged me |
| 20:44.50 | SilentSwan | so go download one |
| 20:44.52 | SilentSwan | www.freebsd.org |
| 20:44.58 | DTRemenak | www.dragonflybsd.org |
| 20:45.05 | I_Died_Once | I mean... |
| 20:45.14 | spldart | well... I'm in the server list now... but I can't connect :( |
| 20:45.14 | *** join/#bzflag eXtreme (n=foo@unaffiliated/brad2901) |
| 20:45.17 | spldart | http://stats.bzflag.org/serverinfo.php?server=67.10.221.4%3A5154 |
| 20:45.36 | spldart | bzfquery 67.10.221.4:5154 |
| 20:45.41 | I_Died_Once | ( d'uh) - I want to get a real, non-downloaded... with a label... linux disc of any sorts |
| 20:45.55 | SilentSwan | www.freebsd.org <- i'm sure you can order one from there |
| 20:45.56 | DTRemenak | what difference does a label make? |
| 20:46.00 | SilentSwan | why, i don't know, but you can |
| 20:46.09 | ToughShooter | bzfquery 67.10.221.4:5154 |
| 20:46.13 | ToughShooter | ~bzfquery 67.10.221.4:5154 |
| 20:46.16 | ToughShooter | doh |
| 20:46.21 | SilentSwan | uh oh |
| 20:46.23 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:46.25 | I_Died_Once | cause I'm one of three people in the begrudgeon city that even knows linux exists |
| 20:46.46 | I_Died_Once | and i just wanna have one |
| 20:46.57 | I_Died_Once | i'm ecclectic like that |
| 20:47.05 | SilentSwan | i think i've still got some old BSD 3.x "official" CDs around here hehe |
| 20:47.14 | SilentSwan | along with a copy of Applixware |
| 20:47.27 | ToughShooter | I installed debian on an ibook g3 @ 300mhz... |
| 20:47.31 | spldart | so... ibot says incompatible version bzfs0028 and I got an econnreset in my logfile from timrikers.org |
| 20:47.36 | spldart | what could be the problem? |
| 20:47.49 | I_Died_Once | are you running CVS, spldart? |
| 20:47.52 | spldart | yes |
| 20:47.55 | I_Died_Once | ah ha |
| 20:48.00 | spldart | or had run |
| 20:48.01 | ToughShooter | you're using CVS HEAD, not vs2_0branch |
| 20:48.02 | SilentSwan | -rv2_0branch |
| 20:48.11 | SilentSwan | i ran into the same problem the other night |
| 20:48.20 | spldart | How would I fix this? |
| 20:48.21 | I_Died_Once | he's running 2.1 |
| 20:48.30 | SilentSwan | brb |
| 20:48.38 | I_Died_Once | that reminds me |
| 20:48.42 | I_Died_Once | bbl |
| 20:48.43 | ToughShooter | spldart: http://web.mit.edu/macdev/Development/Documentation/www/CVS%20Documentation/Working%20with%20CVS.html |
| 20:49.15 | DTRemenak | spldart: whats the matter, you don't like 2.1? :) |
| 20:49.18 | ToughShooter | spldart: I'll compile a client and look whether I can connect |
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| 20:50.24 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: current cvs is BZFS0030 |
| 20:50.43 | DTRemenak | have to step back a couple days to connect to 0028 |
| 20:51.35 | spldart | so ... did I get the wrong cvs? or did I use it incorrectly? |
| 20:51.43 | spldart | I'm only a novice at this compile stuff :( |
| 20:52.14 | DTRemenak | spldart: cvs has branched. there is a 2.0 branch (v2_0branch) that is compatible with current clients & servers (& ibot) and a 2.1 branch (HEAD) that is under development. |
| 20:52.16 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: Ok, thanks for the warning |
| 20:52.35 | spldart | ah crap... bleeding edge got me again :( |
| 20:52.45 | spldart | recompile possibly? |
| 20:53.13 | DTRemenak | spldart: "cvs update -dP -rv2_0branch" should drop you back on the 2.0 branch |
| 20:53.18 | spldart | after possible apt-get uninstall cvs2.1 and apt-get install whateva is compatilbe with bz |
| 20:53.18 | SilentSwan | well, that was lovely - Pepper the parrot decided to leave a little present for me on the floor... which i unknowing stepped on |
| 20:53.27 | spldart | lemme try.. |
| 20:53.36 | spldart | su or user |
| 20:53.40 | orchid | ~((-1 / 2 + 8)) |
| 20:53.44 | ibot | 7.5 |
| 20:53.52 | DTRemenak | whoever the user was that did cvs co |
| 20:53.58 | I_Died_Once | ok - so, # CVS --help does not give me any info regarding checking out a certain dates's CVS version |
| 20:54.21 | I_Died_Once | or --help-commands |
| 20:54.27 | ToughShooter | spldart: I use this to checkout: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/27024 |
| 20:54.32 | I_Died_Once | or --help-synonyms |
| 20:54.34 | SilentSwan | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -rv2_0branch -P bzflag |
| 20:54.48 | trepan | (specify -H followed by a command name for command-specific help) |
| 20:54.54 | trepan | ex: cvs -H up |
| 20:54.57 | I_Died_Once | I got that part swan, but I need the one from a couple of days ago |
| 20:55.02 | SilentSwan | oh |
| 20:55.24 | ToughShooter | spldart: Also see the the link I gave you |
| 20:55.28 | spldart | i'm overwhelmed |
| 20:56.06 | I_Died_Once | spldart - use the cvs command swan just posted in here |
| 20:56.32 | ToughShooter | I_Died_Once: Posted or pastebinned? ;) |
| 20:56.48 | I_Died_Once | the one right above what trepan just said |
| 20:57.02 | I_Died_Once | smaarty pants |
| 20:57.29 | DTRemenak | I_Died_Once: tried cvs update -D "2 days ago"? |
| 20:57.36 | spldart | ah hell |
| 20:57.48 | spldart | swan's line has me scrolling jibberish... |
| 20:57.53 | I_Died_Once | ahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:57.57 | spldart | and my speaker is beeping like mad |
| 20:58.01 | I_Died_Once | now, one last question: |
| 20:58.15 | I_Died_Once | what day did y'all split the source into two trees???? |
| 20:58.28 | DTRemenak | oh, a couple days ago. why? |
| 20:58.35 | DTRemenak | maybe a week |
| 20:58.49 | I_Died_Once | I need the source right before things went broke |
| 20:58.53 | DTRemenak | both branches are being developed |
| 20:58.58 | I_Died_Once | three days ago |
| 20:59.05 | DTRemenak | why do you want the sources from then? |
| 20:59.20 | ToughShooter | trepan: Is it planned to fix the bug that you can look through the meshes when you're driving very near them? |
| 20:59.26 | I_Died_Once | 'cause - current v2 branch plugins are broke |
| 20:59.35 | I_Died_Once | and stable 2.0.4 - the HTF plugin down work |
| 20:59.47 | I_Died_Once | and i got people begging me for more HTF action |
| 21:00.00 | spldart | I think I'm fubared just now |
| 21:00.01 | DTRemenak | *current* v2_0branch plugins do work |
| 21:00.08 | DTRemenak | yesterday's don't |
| 21:00.10 | I_Died_Once | as of when? |
| 21:00.20 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 21:00.26 | DTRemenak | about four hours ago |
| 21:00.37 | I_Died_Once | I'll try current before I try a couple days ago |
| 21:00.39 | DTRemenak | anoncvs may or may not have synched |
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| 21:00.58 | *** part/#bzflag brlcad (n=brlcad@pdpc/supporter/silver/brlcad) |
| 21:01.14 | ToughShooter | spldart: I guess I can stop compiling a special client then ;) |
| 21:01.15 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 21:01.20 | trepan | ToughShooter: that isn't mesh specific, N near a box has the same effect |
| 21:01.40 | DTRemenak | N has always done that |
| 21:01.56 | spldart | what was swan's line suppossed to do? |
| 21:01.58 | ToughShooter | trepan: I have seen it with meshes and I don't want to say it in general, maybe it would be wrong then. |
| 21:02.09 | spldart | and how can I avoid this in the future |
| 21:02.09 | I_Died_Once | cvs |
| 21:02.17 | I_Died_Once | sticking to stable!!!! |
| 21:02.30 | ToughShooter | but I wonder if it is planned to be fixed |
| 21:02.32 | DTRemenak | spldart: swan's line was supposed to check out a new copy of bzflag with the correct branch tag |
| 21:02.50 | DTRemenak | if you're still wherever you ran it, you should be able to cd bzflag and build |
| 21:02.50 | spldart | cuz I'm going to have to switch to another machine now... terminals come up garbage now |
| 21:02.57 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:04.34 | spldart | terminal comes up with all garbage text. I can't read anymore :( |
| 21:05.00 | spldart | which version of cvs can I install and avoid this problem in the first place? |
| 21:05.24 | spldart | cuz I may be reinstalling this machine now.... I'm not good enough at linux to fix stuff readily :( |
| 21:06.52 | ToughShooter | if you don't want the stuff that came after 2.0.4 it maybe better to stick with this version :/ |
| 21:08.30 | spldart | but this version doesn't compile right (using the directions I got last time I compiled) and when I tried to correct with swan's line I just humped terminal |
| 21:12.32 | spldart | apt-get install libcurl3-dev then libtool then cvs then cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag login then cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 21:12.32 | spldart | cd bzflag then automake1.9 then ./autogen.sh then ./configure then make |
| 21:12.53 | I_Died_Once | Idea for bzfscron: rip off the Vaxorcist and use a constants.h file to set the bot's name and password before compile |
| 21:17.55 | spldart | how do I set my cvsroot environment variable? |
| 21:18.03 | spldart | it asks when I enter dtr's likne |
| 21:18.05 | spldart | line |
| 21:19.05 | spldart | cvs update -dP -rv2_0branch |
| 21:20.07 | spldart | do I have any options? |
| 21:26.19 | orchid | spldart: in the CVS/Root file |
| 21:26.37 | orchid | oh the env variable, you can export it |
| 21:26.59 | Thumper__ | what about the 2401 port part? |
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| 21:27.11 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
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| 21:27.35 | orchid | ciao Tupone |
| 21:27.38 | Thumper__ | :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/bzflag |
| 21:27.51 | Tupone | :) welcome |
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| 21:31.11 | I_Died_Once | ~bzquery 69.136.41.111 |
| 21:31.22 | I_Died_Once | ~bzquery 69.136.41.111:4200 |
| 21:31.34 | bryjen | ~bzfquery 69.136.41.111:4200 |
| 21:32.12 | I_Died_Once | I need to restart & I got people all up on the server |
| 21:33.16 | I_Died_Once | any other time it'd be deserted |
| 21:33.38 | Thumper_ | I_Died_Once: well you could just smack it and kiss our players goodbye ;) |
| 21:34.55 | Thumper_ | s/our/your/ |
| 21:35.08 | I_Died_Once | I try to give warnings first |
| 21:35.18 | Thumper_ | if it doesn't matter when it resets... |
| 21:35.20 | Thumper_ | just run with -g |
| 21:35.27 | Thumper_ | and it'll reset when the game ends |
| 21:35.32 | I_Died_Once | refresh me on what that does |
| 21:35.46 | Thumper_ | server exits when last player leaves |
| 21:35.57 | I_Died_Once | I just updated my CVS and i need ot start with that version |
| 21:36.02 | I_Died_Once | its no big deal |
| 21:36.04 | Thumper_ | if you have a server loop starting it ... it just comes back again |
| 21:36.16 | I_Died_Once | nah, I dont use that |
| 21:36.24 | I_Died_Once | I use the cron to automate my tasks |
| 21:36.42 | Thumper_ | I have a server loop that looks for bzfs.new each time around and overwrites the bzfs exectuable if it finds one |
| 21:36.48 | Thumper_ | each time it restarts the server |
| 21:36.58 | Thumper_ | so I just copy the new code to bzfs.new and wait |
| 21:37.03 | Thumper_ | somtime later it'll switch |
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| 21:50.52 | Mr_Molez | are there any circumstances where the bzflag client can connect to a server. but u cant see what people are typing, and other people cant see that you have joined ? |
| 21:52.55 | spldart | ok... did complete recompile with the vs2_0branch |
| 21:53.02 | spldart | same problem though :( |
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| 22:49.40 | JeffM2501 | this look like hix? http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/hixish.PNG |
| 23:10.14 | orchid | it does |
| 23:10.47 | JeffM2501 | yay |
| 23:10.54 | JeffM2501 | tho it may be just a bit too pink :) |
| 23:11.22 | orchid | pink is good |
| 23:12.05 | JeffM2501 | it is, but I have a feeling people would like to see the textures they set |
| 23:12.48 | orchid | meh, textures are a privledge not a right |
| 23:13.24 | orchid | this is a new bzedit? |
| 23:14.13 | Birdie | its to pink:) |
| 23:15.35 | JeffM2501 | then normals and lighting are all jacked |
| 23:15.56 | Birdie | i put grey for buildings anyway, and black for on top, so lucky we can change that pink:) |
| 23:16.30 | Birdie | (btw ciao bella orchid) |
| 23:16.52 | JeffM2501 | just trying to get all the features needed for one object before I go work on GTK |
| 23:17.13 | JeffM2501 | I think I'll need the help of a brlcad/learner to get OSX working |
| 23:18.36 | orchid | hi Birdie |
| 23:20.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (inc/world.h src/world.cpp): let the world store some per object draw info for the rendering system |
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| 23:22.32 | spldart | I'm installing debian brand fresh new again.... Last install got HUMPED trying to compile a usable bzfs :( |
| 23:22.36 | spldart | Any advice? |
| 23:22.52 | spldart | IB give it up n00b 8-o |
| 23:22.58 | JeffM2501 | it should not be that hard |
| 23:23.06 | JeffM2501 | just apt some packages and your done |
| 23:23.24 | orchid | spldart: you have to reinstall cos of bzfs? |
| 23:23.36 | JeffM2501 | that makes no sense |
| 23:23.55 | spldart | I had looked up your directions from 9/11/05 and tried to compile again but no worky |
| 23:24.12 | JeffM2501 | what did it do? |
| 23:24.19 | spldart | Swan gave me a line to run in terminal to make my cvs default compile different branch |
| 23:24.29 | JeffM2501 | -r |
| 23:24.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:24.31 | spldart | that line ended up causing terminal to lock and display garbage |
| 23:24.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (inc/worldRender.h src/worldRender.cpp): if we don't have draw info, add it |
| 23:24.34 | JeffM2501 | you need that but tha'ts all |
| 23:24.42 | spldart | terminal no worky after that |
| 23:24.48 | spldart | I imagine I humped cvs somehow |
| 23:24.49 | orchid | spldart: what terminal do you use? |
| 23:25.18 | spldart | on that install I had deb netinst xwin and a minimal gnome |
| 23:25.32 | JeffM2501 | you can't REALY do that |
| 23:25.34 | spldart | this time I'm going to try everything from a fresh netinst |
| 23:25.47 | JeffM2501 | even if you did jack your profile |
| 23:25.52 | JeffM2501 | make a new user and try it |
| 23:26.04 | orchid | apt-get install rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 23:26.10 | spldart | I'm not savy enough with linux to repair a funked install |
| 23:26.22 | JeffM2501 | spldart, it is not windows |
| 23:26.27 | orchid | theres likely nothing wrong with your install |
| 23:26.30 | JeffM2501 | you can't realy FUNK an install by building an app |
| 23:26.35 | spldart | I destroyed a deb install trying to make it work with an all in wonder too :eek: |
| 23:26.40 | spldart | It never booted again |
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| 23:26.59 | orchid | making a new user is a good idea |
| 23:27.03 | spldart | dunno what to say... it scrolled a bunch of garbage then went TU |
| 23:27.09 | JeffM2501 | that will start you with a new profile |
| 23:27.15 | spldart | I had user and root |
| 23:27.19 | JeffM2501 | tho of late I have been liking ubuntu a lot |
| 23:27.24 | JeffM2501 | spldart, make a ne user |
| 23:27.38 | JeffM2501 | synamptic rocks my world |
| 23:27.40 | spldart | that install had user 'james' and the root |
| 23:27.59 | JeffM2501 | make a new one |
| 23:28.02 | blast007 | doesn't matter what it had... |
| 23:28.03 | JeffM2501 | like user2 |
| 23:28.08 | blast007 | or bob |
| 23:28.18 | spldart | this new install is on a old box.... just to see if it still happens there |
| 23:28.28 | spldart | it will have user bzuser and root seperate |
| 23:28.44 | spldart | old install is gone.... no boot |
| 23:28.54 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 23:29.02 | JeffM2501 | what happens when you try? |
| 23:29.06 | spldart | it's the third deb install I've done that too :( |
| 23:29.16 | spldart | locks right after grub |
| 23:29.24 | JeffM2501 | and ya think that just maybe you may have hardware or drive issues, if they keep eatint themselves? |
| 23:29.32 | spldart | to many different machines |
| 23:29.36 | spldart | it's the user 'doh' |
| 23:29.41 | JeffM2501 | dude what do you do? |
| 23:29.51 | spldart | alot of crack I guess |
| 23:29.54 | spldart | lol |
| 23:29.57 | blast007 | rm -rf / ;) |
| 23:30.06 | JeffM2501 | hell the dog turned on off last night mid write, fsck failed, and I was able to get it back very easlay |
| 23:30.11 | orchid | I did that once blast007 |
| 23:30.21 | blast007 | orchid: hehe |
| 23:30.23 | JeffM2501 | untless you try hard it's hard to bork them |
| 23:30.24 | orchid | she system bogs down a tad |
| 23:30.37 | orchid | /s/she/the |
| 23:30.37 | JeffM2501 | spldart, maaybe you should try ubuntu |
| 23:30.39 | JeffM2501 | it's all clicky |
| 23:31.00 | JeffM2501 | even has a clicky package manager |
| 23:31.08 | orchid | :-) |
| 23:31.09 | spldart | tell yah what.... first question... should I try compiling bz from terminal with no xwin installed at all? |
| 23:31.10 | JeffM2501 | and it's based on debian |
| 23:31.11 | spldart | I'd like too |
| 23:31.21 | blast007 | I'm still trying to figure out why my slackware 10.2 box (this one) keeps looping the ./configure when I run make :( |
| 23:31.27 | JeffM2501 | x does not mater on build |
| 23:31.40 | spldart | I'm trying to learn to get closer to terminal not more gui |
| 23:31.58 | orchid | use a terminal emulater, like rxvt-unicode |
| 23:32.09 | JeffM2501 | bash should work just fine |
| 23:32.11 | spldart | I can install debian in 30 minutes flat on a fast machine and be talking to people and browsing the web so that's not a problem |
| 23:32.12 | orchid | ~spell emulater |
| 23:32.17 | mbfg | i find it hard to read the screen when i;m real close to the terminal |
| 23:32.24 | orchid | ~emulate stewie |
| 23:32.27 | ibot | Yes, I rather like this God fellow. He's very theatrical, you know, a pestilence here, a plague there. Omnipotence. Gotta get me some of that. |
| 23:32.45 | blast007 | lol |
| 23:33.06 | spldart | well... let me go over my directions... see if you see a problem :) |
| 23:33.23 | spldart | apt-get install libcurl3-dev |
| 23:33.33 | spldart | apt-get install libtool |
| 23:33.46 | spldart | apt-get install cvs... sound good so far? |
| 23:34.03 | JeffM2501 | asuming your base install didn't do that |
| 23:34.04 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:34.13 | JeffM2501 | do it one step at a time |
| 23:34.14 | spldart | is there a particular painless cvs package to grab? |
| 23:34.20 | JeffM2501 | cvs |
| 23:34.23 | JeffM2501 | there is only one |
| 23:34.27 | spldart | leave root repostiories /var/lib/cvs/ in config of cvs |
| 23:34.33 | mbfg | tortoisecvs :) |
| 23:34.41 | JeffM2501 | no tort on linux sadly |
| 23:34.49 | JeffM2501 | OSX is geting one for SVN tho :) |
| 23:34.53 | mbfg | nifty |
| 23:34.59 | spldart | cvs update -dP -rv2_0branch ala swan recomendation? |
| 23:35.03 | JeffM2501 | spldart, you should not have to modify cvs configs at all |
| 23:35.05 | Tupone | spldart: you could make a first try with the SF tar ball, so no need of libtool and cvs |
| 23:35.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:35.14 | JeffM2501 | start simple |
| 23:35.19 | JeffM2501 | get your OS installed then come back |
| 23:35.21 | blast007 | you can't update if you don't have the initial checkout |
| 23:35.33 | orchid | spldart: apt-get build-dep -s bzflag-server should tell you whats needed to build |
| 23:35.34 | spldart | tar ball eh'? |
| 23:35.43 | JeffM2501 | get debian set up |
| 23:35.45 | Tupone | tar.gz |
| 23:35.47 | spldart | k |
| 23:35.52 | JeffM2501 | then we'll walk you thru the rest |
| 23:35.53 | spldart | minimal debian |
| 23:36.12 | spldart | slow machine |
| 23:37.17 | orchid | spldart: I always blank that cvs line that debconf asks the /var/lib/cvs thing |
| 23:37.33 | JeffM2501 | that's only for a server |
| 23:37.36 | spldart | really |
| 23:37.40 | spldart | hrm |
| 23:37.50 | JeffM2501 | it won't affect check outs |
| 23:37.53 | orchid | yep, its to store repositories, which you don't need |
| 23:38.50 | spldart | almost ready for bash prompt |
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| 23:42.31 | spldart | dual barton @ ungodly speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k6-2 500 :( |
| 23:46.40 | spldart | Ok... just finished my debian netinst with no extra software packages optioned in. #bash$ |
| 23:46.59 | JeffM2501 | apt-get install cvs |
| 23:47.10 | spldart | before the other packages? |
| 23:47.17 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:47.32 | JeffM2501 | it'll get anything else you need as a dependency |
| 23:47.37 | spldart | as su or root? |
| 23:47.44 | JeffM2501 | sudo |
| 23:47.47 | JeffM2501 | if you have it installed |
| 23:47.50 | JeffM2501 | or root |
| 23:47.51 | JeffM2501 | your call |
| 23:47.55 | JeffM2501 | dosn't really matter |
| 23:48.11 | spldart | oopsy... |
| 23:48.22 | spldart | I just did su and my password |
| 23:48.33 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:48.34 | JeffM2501 | that's fine |
| 23:48.37 | spldart | kew |
| 23:48.39 | JeffM2501 | that makes you root |
| 23:48.42 | JeffM2501 | like I say |
| 23:48.44 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't really mater |
| 23:48.52 | spldart | ok... configure /var/libs/cvs? |
| 23:49.00 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:49.03 | JeffM2501 | your not hosting |
| 23:49.06 | JeffM2501 | just use the defaults |
| 23:49.13 | JeffM2501 | so it dosnt' really matter |
| 23:50.02 | spldart | cvs pserver = no? |
| 23:50.17 | JeffM2501 | what ever the default is |
| 23:50.20 | JeffM2501 | your not hosting |
| 23:50.23 | spldart | ok |
| 23:50.23 | spldart | done |
| 23:50.24 | JeffM2501 | so it dosnt' matter |
| 23:50.27 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.32 | spldart | back at user# |
| 23:51.08 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.12 | JeffM2501 | in that order |
| 23:53.28 | spldart | downloading |
| 23:53.56 | spldart | done |
| 23:54.08 | spldart | @user# |
| 23:54.32 | spldart | or should I say @/home/user# |
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| 23:55.03 | spldart | ./autogen.sh ? |
| 23:55.12 | spldart | if so as root or user |
| 23:55.19 | orchid | as user |
| 23:55.21 | JeffM2501 | as your user |
| 23:55.25 | JeffM2501 | it will give you errors |
| 23:55.29 | JeffM2501 | just tell us what they are |
| 23:56.10 | JeffM2501 | and only the first error |
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| 23:56.27 | spldart | unable to locate gnu autoconf |
| 23:56.31 | spldart | apt-get? |
| 23:56.35 | JeffM2501 | 1 sec |
| 23:56.38 | spldart | autoconf 1.9? |
| 23:56.40 | orchid | apt-get search |
| 23:56.40 | spldart | k |
| 23:57.06 | JeffM2501 | autoconf isn't versioned |
| 23:57.12 | JeffM2501 | so just apt-get install autoconf |
| 23:57.20 | JeffM2501 | then apt-get install automake1.9 |
| 23:57.40 | JeffM2501 | guu is faster then apt-search :) |
| 23:58.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah synaptic makes it REALY easy |
| 23:58.06 | spldart | well crap |
| 23:58.41 | spldart | it still says unable to locate gnu automake |
| 23:58.52 | spldart | apt-get? |
| 23:58.53 | JeffM2501 | did you do both those things? |
| 23:59.05 | JeffM2501 | the 2 apt-gets I said to do? |
