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| 00:03.19 | Ethan | im having problems compiling bzflag 2.0.4 on my debian box with an Nvidia video card. |
| 00:03.25 | Ethan | i keep getting this error |
| 00:03.26 | Ethan | configure: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully available (missing gl.h) |
| 00:04.05 | Ethan | if i locate gl.h i get this |
| 00:04.06 | Ethan | ethan@debian:~/bzflag-2.0.4.20050930$ locate gl.h |
| 00:04.06 | Ethan | /usr/include/GL/gl.h |
| 00:04.06 | Ethan | /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/include/GL/gl.h |
| 00:04.06 | Ethan | /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386/include/config/usb/tigl.h |
| 00:04.49 | SilentSwan | i ran into that same issue on solaris and have still not resolved it |
| 00:04.57 | SilentSwan | i ended up hacking up the configure script |
| 00:05.03 | Ethan | hmm |
| 00:05.28 | Ethan | did you have to remove gl support? |
| 00:05.32 | SilentSwan | no |
| 00:05.37 | SilentSwan | i got it to build |
| 00:05.45 | SilentSwan | but |
| 00:05.49 | Ethan | or did you just tell it to look in /usr/include/GL/ |
| 00:06.00 | SilentSwan | it was only a *test* so i never really looked into it any further |
| 00:06.06 | Ethan | oh |
| 00:06.16 | SilentSwan | no, i just basically bypassed the gl test in configure |
| 00:08.51 | SilentSwan | oh this is nice |
| 00:09.00 | SilentSwan | apparently there are some header file "issues" on solaris 10 |
| 00:10.18 | SilentSwan | anyone want an ultra10? makes a great doorstop |
| 00:12.41 | Ethan | ok.. i think i hax my way around the configure file |
| 00:13.33 | SilentSwan | yay |
| 00:14.30 | Ethan | i changed it so that if it didnt find gl.h it would still enable client. |
| 00:15.19 | SilentSwan | hmm.. i thought there were a few other bits and pieces i had to tweak in there, but i forgot now |
| 00:16.10 | Ethan | at the bottem of the config it said it was going to make the client |
| 00:16.47 | SilentSwan | ok |
| 00:21.37 | CBG | Tired |
| 00:21.39 | CBG | ? |
| 00:21.56 | trepan | Ethan: i use this soft link: /usr/X11R6/include/GL -> /usr/include/GL/ |
| 00:22.45 | trepan | looked into your config.log to see exactly what's happening? |
| 00:23.03 | Ethan | no i didnt |
| 00:29.14 | SilentSwan | i always find it amusing that gnu tar is distributed in a tar file |
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| 00:43.47 | I_Died_Once | or to compile gcc you have to run "make" |
| 00:44.11 | I_Died_Once | I got a color question... |
| 00:44.23 | I_Died_Once | anyone ever heard of ROY G BIV |
| 00:44.31 | I_Died_Once | the spectrum... |
| 00:44.48 | I_Died_Once | red orange yellow green blue indigo violet |
| 00:44.50 | SilentSwan | though i think the gas station attendent nearby bears that name |
| 00:45.09 | I_Died_Once | yeah, i learned it in elementary school |
| 00:45.27 | I_Died_Once | I'm trying to think of a more common name for "indigo" |
| 00:45.30 | SilentSwan | huh... in all my playing around with photoshop, i've never seen it |
| 00:45.36 | SilentSwan | turquoise, sort of |
| 00:45.42 | SilentSwan | only more.. purple |
| 00:45.48 | I_Died_Once | no, thats violet |
| 00:46.01 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 00:46.08 | I_Died_Once | I wanna set the sky color a shade between blue and violet |
| 00:46.46 | I_Died_Once | bzflag doesnt take Indigo |
| 00:47.27 | I_Died_Once | for a server test |
| 00:47.31 | SilentSwan | magenta maybe? |
| 00:47.43 | I_Died_Once | brb. |
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| 00:59.37 | Ethan | conftest.c:32:20: GL/glx.h: Too many levels of symbolic links |
| 00:59.39 | Ethan | hmm |
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| 01:07.15 | TD-Linux | my bzflag won't compile - for the sole reason that the HTF plugin's makefile dosen't exist :( |
| 01:08.02 | TD-Linux | I'll just delete the HTF plugin entirely :) |
| 01:09.35 | TD-Linux | wait a minute... I don't have the HTF plugin at all... but I just did a cvs update |
| 01:10.16 | TD-Linux | why does it try to compile a HTF plugin that isn't there? Do I have to do a cvs update 'with vengeance' ? |
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| 01:21.30 | BenUrban | TD-Linux: it's ./configure --with-vengeance |
| 01:22.36 | TD-Linux | BenUrban: wrong, it was a cvs update thingy |
| 01:22.45 | BenUrban | be that way |
| 01:23.04 | TD-Linux | I think the cvs might be messed up... I should have gotten the hold the flag plugin |
| 01:23.17 | TD-Linux | don't know why it insists on compiling it anyway, it dosen't exist |
| 01:23.47 | TD-Linux | was it cvs update -vP? |
| 01:24.26 | TD-Linux | BenUrban: does the latest CVS work for you? |
| 01:24.36 | BenUrban | never tried it |
| 01:30.18 | trepan | TD-Linux: cvs up -d (in case you are missing a new dir) |
| 01:30.37 | TD-Linux | trepan: ty |
| 01:31.27 | trepan | better yet, stick it in your .cvsrc |
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| 02:16.14 | Thumper_ | hmmm it's snowing outside. |
| 02:17.39 | Aribeth | where? |
| 02:17.51 | Thumper_ | North of Toronto |
| 02:17.57 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 02:18.10 | Thumper_ | my grass is white. |
| 02:19.04 | Aribeth | cool |
| 02:19.18 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 02:19.20 | Guu | Aribeth: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 45°F. |
| 02:19.24 | Aribeth | wow |
| 02:19.40 | Aribeth | it was in the 80's just the other day |
| 02:20.00 | Thumper_ | !weather CYYZ |
| 02:20.04 | Guu | Thumper_: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 37°F. |
| 02:20.28 | Aribeth | i think fall just arrived |
| 02:20.53 | Thumper_ | it's been here for a few weeks already. leaves have turned and are dropping |
| 02:21.23 | Aribeth | leaves are dropping here, but its been warm mid 80's |
| 02:21.43 | Aribeth | it just started to cool off here |
| 02:21.46 | BenUrban | so they're burning off |
| 02:21.47 | BenUrban | ? |
| 02:22.14 | Aribeth | hehe, ya they get singed before they hit the ground :P |
| 02:22.20 | Thumper_ | uh... as in changed colours :) |
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| 02:23.00 | Aribeth | havn't really seen a lot of different colors in the leaves yet |
| 02:23.06 | learner | wow! |
| 02:23.27 | mbfg | ;) |
| 02:23.31 | Aribeth | helllllooo mbfg |
| 02:23.32 | learner | prodigal big guy returns |
| 02:23.38 | mbfg | indeedy |
| 02:23.47 | learner | been a lil while :) |
| 02:24.02 | learner | don't worry, you haven't missed anything ;) |
| 02:24.09 | mbfg | it took awhile to remove the rope and cans |
| 02:24.36 | learner | is .. that .. oh my |
| 02:24.39 | learner | could it be?? |
| 02:24.48 | learner | mbfg on broadband! |
| 02:24.53 | mbfg | w00t! |
| 02:24.57 | learner | hehe |
| 02:25.00 | cosmos | hrm |
| 02:25.15 | bryjen | s/guy/pipe/ ? |
| 02:25.42 | mbfg | of course now i've got to change the 50 or so mailing list subscriptions |
| 02:26.02 | learner | yeah, i'm sure it sucks |
| 02:26.06 | learner | should probably just cancel |
| 02:26.30 | learner | oh, and more importantly.. how're the horses? :) |
| 02:26.33 | mbfg | this time at least i'm changing to my own domain, so it won't happen again |
| 02:26.37 | mbfg | horsies are good |
| 02:26.44 | learner | still kickin' |
| 02:26.48 | mbfg | yup |
| 02:26.50 | learner | still poo'in |
| 02:26.52 | mbfg | and poopin |
| 02:26.53 | mbfg | heh |
| 02:26.56 | learner | heh |
| 02:29.46 | mbfg | ...and dusts of Studio |
| 02:31.04 | SilentSwan | *burp* that was tasty |
| 02:31.14 | Aribeth | burp? |
| 02:31.25 | SilentSwan | no, the food that caused it |
| 02:31.33 | Aribeth | ohhh |
| 02:31.39 | Aribeth | zantac time |
| 02:31.47 | SilentSwan | probably |
| 02:31.58 | Aribeth | i take 2 every day |
| 02:32.06 | SilentSwan | i should be taking my prevacid |
| 02:32.16 | Aribeth | i cant aford it |
| 02:32.16 | SilentSwan | but |
| 02:32.22 | SilentSwan | it's just one more thing to spend money on |
| 02:32.28 | Aribeth | yep |
| 02:32.53 | SilentSwan | i'm coming off these other hideous meds, too... it'll take about 2 months to do it |
| 02:33.03 | Aribeth | yep |
| 02:34.08 | Aribeth | eek |
| 02:34.21 | Aribeth | thats a pain |
| 02:34.36 | SilentSwan | i'm bored, so... it keeps my bird-brain busy |
| 02:35.03 | SilentSwan | tried gentoo on this machine... turns out, i couldn't get the creator3d card to work in X |
| 02:35.11 | mbfg | pdcurses from http://pdcurses.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 02:35.15 | Aribeth | wow |
| 02:35.38 | brlcad | mbfg: i believe so |
| 02:35.38 | Aribeth | what machine? |
| 02:35.43 | SilentSwan | ultra10 |
| 02:35.48 | Aribeth | humm |
| 02:35.51 | SilentSwan | sunffb is the driver |
| 02:35.55 | SilentSwan | but it's b0rked |
| 02:35.57 | Aribeth | ya |
| 02:36.07 | Aribeth | worked on my ultra 5 |
| 02:36.09 | SilentSwan | wish suse was available for sparc |
| 02:36.14 | Aribeth | ya |
| 02:36.36 | brlcad | mmm.. an ultra10 |
| 02:36.41 | brlcad | useful compilation machine |
| 02:36.44 | SilentSwan | doorstop |
| 02:36.48 | brlcad | heh, or that |
| 02:37.03 | SilentSwan | where i used to work, we had about 30 of them in use by developers |
| 02:37.13 | brlcad | I'm sorry |
| 02:37.16 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 02:37.18 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 02:37.26 | SilentSwan | developers and QA testers |
| 02:38.28 | brlcad | mbfg: so how long ago was the last build? 2.0.0 release? |
| 02:38.53 | mbfg | prolly like february |
| 02:39.03 | brlcad | mmm |
| 02:39.29 | brlcad | just a few changes then.. |
| 02:39.33 | mbfg | heh |
| 02:41.03 | mbfg | uncle sam still keeping you busy? |
| 02:41.19 | brlcad | quite |
| 02:41.38 | brlcad | I've not been around a whole lot myself since 2.0.0 until just recently |
| 02:41.59 | brlcad | enough to keep tabs on what's going on, the occasional fixes, release builds, etc |
| 02:42.49 | brlcad | work on brl-cad has been taking up most of my time |
| 02:43.43 | cosmos | they looked at it and exclaimed "oh it has lame graphics what a pathetic game" |
| 02:46.25 | bryjen | then they'd just *love* BZFlag ;) |
| 02:47.08 | brlcad | yeah, but we got tanks |
| 02:47.12 | brlcad | that shoot stuff |
| 02:47.36 | bryjen | and jump |
| 02:47.47 | brlcad | that's a bug |
| 02:49.22 | bryjen | ~jump brlcad |
| 02:49.24 | ibot | ACTION scrambles up the nearest tree, screams, then leaps feet first on top of brlcad |
| 02:49.34 | brlcad | heh |
| 02:49.39 | bryjen | that's tamer than i expected |
| 02:52.10 | cosmos | yeah |
| 02:52.51 | cosmos | these are the same developers who stated the original star wars movies were shameful and the worst special effects ever |
| 02:53.02 | cosmos | i love the youth |
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| 03:04.18 | orchid | ~8ball tea or pepsi |
| 03:04.20 | ibot | Are you smoking crack? |
| 03:04.50 | brlcad | hehe |
| 03:07.05 | bryjen | drink the pepsi and smoke the tea? ;) |
| 03:09.11 | orchid | no more smoking for me :) |
| 03:10.50 | SilentSwan | is everyone giving up their naughty habits? :) |
| 03:14.19 | brlcad | SilentSwan: I wouldn't .. but then smoking isn't one of mine :) |
| 03:14.26 | bryjen | naughty is OK, it's /the cancer/ that is to be avoided |
| 03:14.43 | orchid | yep :-| |
| 03:14.49 | SilentSwan | i've given up a) alcohol, b) weed (and this one hurts) |
| 03:14.59 | SilentSwan | there are some other naughty habits i will not be giving up :) |
| 03:15.25 | SilentSwan | like... um... coffee... yeah |
| 03:16.07 | SilentSwan | hehe |
| 03:16.19 | SilentSwan | what? |
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| 03:36.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/ (SDLMain.h SDLMain.m): update to new SDLMain, sdl 1.2.9, that fixes several issues including the ability to add -window and still receive key events |
| 03:37.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/README.MacOSX: sdl bz on mac can't be run with -window on the command line due to loss of key events. run fullscreen and switch to windowed via f1 |
| 03:37.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: Reverting a changes. dunno why, it causes a crash to MacOSX |
| 03:37.30 | mbfg | nice smoke rings, (land, shoot, spawn) etc |
| 03:37.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/geometry/FlagSceneNode.cxx: speedup/touchup |
| 03:37.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (BUGS ChangeLog): Support for -window on Mac command line executions is fixed |
| 03:37.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/autogen.sh: |
| 03:37.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: update to latest. adds support for a libtool restart check on automake (in case |
| 03:37.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: an autoconf sans -f worked), a non-forced automake check, as well as support for |
| 03:37.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: detecting unsupported macros (which indicates your autogen.sh versions are |
| 03:37.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: wrong) |
| 03:37.58 | learner | hey, look who decided to wake up finally.. |
| 03:43.18 | cosmos | earthquake |
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| 03:55.24 | learner | hi Tegan |
| 03:55.32 | Tegan | hi learner |
| 03:55.52 | learner | would you mind testing something for me? |
| 03:55.58 | Tegan | what's that? |
| 03:56.00 | learner | autogen.sh in the latest cvs |
| 03:56.07 | Tegan | ok |
| 03:56.17 | learner | should be fixed to do what you manually did last night |
| 03:56.21 | learner | but I wanted to make sure |
| 03:56.35 | Tegan | so first remove acinclude.m4 |
| 03:56.36 | Tegan | ? |
| 03:57.46 | learner | yeah |
| 03:57.59 | learner | and cvs update autogen.sh, then cvs status autogen.sh |
| 03:58.08 | learner | should say 2.12 |
| 03:58.13 | Tegan | oh |
| 03:58.44 | learner | or I can upload it if you don't have a checkout |
| 03:59.35 | learner | it should give a warning about probably wanting to set ln -s as root and maybe a restart |
| 03:59.44 | learner | but ultimately complete |
| 04:00.00 | learner | successfully |
| 04:00.09 | Tegan | yeah, still on "Preparing build..." |
| 04:00.25 | Tegan | there it goes. |
| 04:00.26 | Tegan | good |
| 04:00.39 | Tegan | returns 0 |
| 04:01.00 | learner | can you paste the output to pastebin? |
| 04:01.04 | Tegan | generated acinclude.m4 okay |
| 04:01.15 | Tegan | want I should run it with -v first? |
| 04:01.24 | Tegan | remove acinclude.m4 and run it again? |
| 04:01.26 | learner | nah, what you have should be good |
| 04:01.29 | Tegan | ok |
| 04:04.29 | Tegan | http://pastebin.com/402591 |
| 04:06.18 | learner | Tegan, perfect -- thanks! |
| 04:06.26 | Tegan | no, thank you |
| 04:07.26 | learner | it is true about those symlinks, ports folk expect you to create them yourself :) |
| 04:08.31 | SilentSwan | what about bsd? i've spent way too much time working with it... |
| 04:08.32 | learner | that's why it dumps out the instruction, just in case ;) |
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| 04:10.53 | Tegan | what is it? |
| 04:11.02 | SilentSwan | solaris packages |
| 04:11.24 | SilentSwan | presently installing the entire kde distribution |
| 04:11.52 | learner | you mean you don't love cde? |
| 04:12.22 | SilentSwan | :) |
| 04:12.23 | SilentSwan | actually |
| 04:12.29 | SilentSwan | cde is good enough for a lot of things |
| 04:12.41 | SilentSwan | it's the Java Desktop *hack* that i cannot tolerate |
| 04:13.10 | learner | good enough being the key words |
| 04:13.16 | SilentSwan | yep |
| 04:13.19 | learner | so is pen and paper most of the time ;) |
| 04:13.56 | SilentSwan | considering 99% of what this machine does is run a) DNS server, b) test web server, c) compilers... |
| 04:13.58 | learner | this isn't on your sparc10 is it? |
| 04:14.02 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 04:14.09 | learner | ah |
| 04:14.18 | learner | sunwspro? |
| 04:14.19 | SilentSwan | and most often, it provides a nice place i can ssh to from work |
| 04:14.33 | SilentSwan | no, i'm not using the sun compiler at the moment |
| 04:14.38 | SilentSwan | may install later on |
| 04:14.44 | SilentSwan | if i can find the media |
| 04:15.01 | learner | one of the few compilers to actually compile worse code for their own patform than gcc ... |
| 04:15.07 | SilentSwan | yea |
| 04:15.43 | SilentSwan | i've been spending my evening building/rebuilding all sorts of things with ultrasparc optimizations, etc... |
| 04:15.59 | SilentSwan | and sort of gnu-ifying solaris |
| 04:17.24 | learner | reasonable price, just a smidgen more than the music by itself and the video was pretty cool |
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| 04:17.49 | learner | NIN video "Only" |
| 04:18.55 | SilentSwan | ugh... getting cold here... have to put on the fuzzy socks |
| 04:19.17 | SilentSwan | !weather 60515 |
| 04:19.20 | Guu | SilentSwan: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 33°F. |
| 04:19.27 | SilentSwan | nonsense |
| 04:19.31 | SilentSwan | !weather 60126 |
| 04:19.34 | Guu | SilentSwan: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 39°F. |
| 04:20.11 | learner | ~weather kbwi |
| 04:20.23 | SilentSwan | 41F... close... |
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| 04:20.54 | learner | hmm.. i have the windows wide open, sure don't feel like 50 |
| 04:22.03 | Tegan | hi SportChick |
| 04:22.31 | SilentSwan | anyway... think i'll be running along now... bye |
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| 04:35.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/README.MacOSX: whadaya know, -window works now that I've updated sdlmain |
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| 05:35.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.ac: cannot want ansi and still expect to be able to compile objective-c/c++ files with gcc 4 |
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| 06:30.47 | Tegan | Shhhhhhhhhhhhwan |
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| 07:17.32 | Tegan | Shhhhhhhhhhhhwan |
| 07:17.42 | SilentSwan | hey |
| 07:18.11 | SilentSwan | how's things? |
| 07:18.25 | Tegan | how do I know? |
| 07:18.36 | SilentSwan | good question |
| 07:19.19 | SilentSwan | <- quit drinking, quit weed. feeling it. |
| 07:19.59 | Tegan | didn't quit bz, though, eh? |
| 07:20.05 | SilentSwan | that too |
| 07:20.13 | SilentSwan | havn't played in near a month actually |
| 07:20.16 | ToughShooter | Morning Tegan |
| 07:20.26 | Tegan | hey ToughShooter |
| 07:21.34 | ToughShooter | Still up so late? ;) |
| 07:21.53 | Tegan | sort of |
| 07:21.56 | SilentSwan | hmm... anyway, was hoping to see someone here, but said person is not present. bye. |
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| 07:22.24 | ToughShooter | Well, I t |
| 07:22.38 | ToughShooter | bah, I hate my dumb fingers |
| 07:23.05 | Tegan | shh they might be listening |
| 07:23.14 | ToughShooter | I think I can go on testing something for Tupone |
| 07:23.28 | Tegan | you don't want to get your fingers mad at you |
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| 08:27.45 | ToughShooter | ibot, botmail for Tupone: The client runs fine with newest CVS now |
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| 08:37.12 | ToughShooter | Tupone: heh, that was pretty close |
| 08:37.18 | Tupone | :) |
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| 08:38.11 | Tegan | hi Birdie |
| 08:38.24 | Birdie | hello tegan |
| 08:38.27 | Tupone | ToughShooter: you have tried brlcad changes too |
| 08:38.28 | Birdie | nice to see you |
| 08:38.34 | Tupone | hi Tegan |
| 08:38.49 | Tupone | see? you have a webcam ? |
| 08:39.13 | ToughShooter | Tupone: yeah |
| 08:39.42 | ToughShooter | Now I have a running gdb session with BZFlag dying due to SDL and now brlcad or learner :/ |
| 08:39.53 | ToughShooter | *now no |
| 08:40.01 | ToughShooter | Morning Birdie |
| 08:40.07 | Birdie | hey TS |
| 08:40.41 | Tupone | ToughShooter: so yours still dieing? The -window things? |
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| 08:41.42 | ToughShooter | Tupone: started without -window |
| 08:42.02 | Tupone | hmm, you said it was ok :/ |
| 08:42.42 | ToughShooter | It didn't crashed yesterday |
| 08:42.55 | ToughShooter | and it worked hours today without problems |
| 08:43.22 | ToughShooter | then suddently it crashed and I ran it in gdb and switch it got boom: http://pastebin.com/402725 |
| 08:44.15 | Tupone | can you compile sdl with debug symbols ? |
| 08:44.40 | Tupone | and without stripping either sdl and bzflag |
| 08:45.40 | ToughShooter | bzflag isn't stripped |
| 08:45.54 | Tupone | SDL ? |
| 08:46.01 | ToughShooter | but lemme look what I can do with SDL |
| 08:46.14 | ToughShooter | I don't know whether SDL is stripped |
| 08:46.36 | Tupone | I think is builded without debug information |
| 08:47.04 | ToughShooter | all I remember is that I did ./autogen.sh; ./configure; make; sudo make install |
| 08:47.15 | ToughShooter | with sdl source of 1.2.9 |
| 08:47.19 | Tupone | for SDL too? |
| 08:47.31 | Tupone | how did you build SDL? |
| 08:47.50 | ToughShooter | that have been the instructions for SDL |
| 08:48.08 | ToughShooter | (and I built BZFlag with same commands) |
| 08:48.27 | Tupone | if you have still the SDL tree, try ./configure --help |
| 08:48.40 | Tupone | and see if you have a way to build with debug |
| 08:49.14 | ToughShooter | That's why I said let me look ;) I want to do a RTFM now |
| 08:49.36 | Tupone | aww, I just skipped that sentence |
| 08:50.33 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.55 | ToughShooter | so it's built with debug by default I assume |
| 08:51.19 | ToughShooter | Now there's a framework with SDL in my system, too |
| 08:51.20 | Tupone | :/ I don't see the line for SDL. Lemme look at the tree |
| 08:55.13 | ToughShooter | It doesn't use /Library/Frameworks/SDL.framework |
| 08:55.42 | ToughShooter | So it only utilizes my build SDL |
| 08:56.35 | ToughShooter | (I have installed the one in /Library because I had used Xcode for a clean 2.0.4 binary before an official was out) |
| 08:56.45 | Tupone | ToughShooter: do you have ldd in MacOSX |
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| 08:57.08 | ToughShooter | not installed via default |
| 08:57.24 | ToughShooter | I could look for it it port if you want |
| 08:57.44 | Tupone | no command like ldd, to know what library you load? |
| 08:58.00 | ToughShooter | I have fs_usuage |
| 08:58.12 | ToughShooter | if that is of interest |
| 08:58.54 | Tupone | dunno what is :/ |
| 08:59.07 | ToughShooter | neither fink nor darwinports have ldd |
| 08:59.41 | Tupone | should be into the system :/ It says what shared library a program will load if started |
| 09:00.09 | ToughShooter | how about otool -L ? |
| 09:00.45 | ToughShooter | (from http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2071.html) |
| 09:01.28 | Tupone | try that, on bzflag |
| 09:01.34 | ToughShooter | that would print the used shared libraries |
| 09:02.44 | ToughShooter | Tupone: http://pastebin.com/402732 |
| 09:02.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (7 files): Removing includes from World.h |
| 09:03.19 | Tupone | @executable_path/../Frameworks/SDL.framework/Versions/A/SDL ? |
| 09:03.48 | Tupone | Is that what you want? |
| 09:04.26 | ToughShooter | There is no framwork at that location |
| 09:06.12 | Tupone | well, is the first time I read this command, but it seems you get both libcurl and SDL from a framework :/ |
| 09:06.15 | ToughShooter | I mean the executable is in "MacOS/", one dir down is "Contents", http://pastebin.com/402735 |
| 09:07.07 | Tupone | that says executable_path, could be whatever is in your $PATH |
| 09:07.23 | ToughShooter | I'm stupid |
| 09:07.36 | ToughShooter | I used otool on the stable binary :x |
| 09:07.44 | Tupone | hehe :) |
| 09:08.47 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I think this is the right one: http://pastebin.com/402738 |
| 09:09.17 | Tupone | still SDL is wrong |
| 09:09.35 | Tupone | while curl is now ok |
| 09:09.42 | ToughShooter | yeah, but it's the right binary |
| 09:12.29 | ToughShooter | Anyway, by looking back I found out that gdb was recording the 2.0.4 stable crash |
| 09:13.47 | ToughShooter | And BZFlag 2.0.4 ships with a stripped SDL |
| 09:14.10 | Tupone | good, at least we found coherence |
| 09:15.52 | ToughShooter | also gdb complains a lot about the missing framework with devel app |
| 09:16.25 | ToughShooter | might be my costum installation stuff |
| 09:17.14 | ToughShooter | as I want a doubleclickable bundle, no app somewhere in the file system I don't know it's location |
| 09:20.34 | Tupone | Better see how you can get the new version of SDL |
| 09:22.36 | ToughShooter | I have the SDL.framework with version 1.2.9 installed, my source installation is also 1.2.9 |
| 09:22.39 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (BackgroundRenderer.cxx BackgroundRenderer.h): moving effectRenderer include from spec to body |
| 09:22.48 | Tupone | ahh |
| 09:23.03 | ToughShooter | but the framework was precompiled |
| 09:23.22 | ToughShooter | I have to find out how to create one with debug informations |
| 09:23.41 | Tegan | Flemish and Waloon are languages? |
| 09:23.51 | Tupone | yep |
| 09:23.54 | Tegan | oops, wrong channel |
| 09:23.56 | Tupone | belgique |
| 09:24.15 | Birdie | apperently she is talking to me:) |
| 09:24.17 | Tegan | :) |
| 09:25.06 | ToughShooter | How can I find out whether a framework is stripped? |
| 09:25.27 | Tupone | ToughShooter: --enable-debug still have -O2, CXXFLAGS="-g -O0" ./configure do not |
| 09:26.07 | Tupone | don't know ;(, on linux you can strip a library. If the size is still the same, it was stripped |
| 09:27.43 | teh_conquerer | for those about to rock... |
| 09:27.45 | ToughShooter | I'll switch over compilation process to Xcode and then use the one installed by me |
| 09:27.47 | teh_conquerer | I salute you |
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| 09:46.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (13 files): moving include in the HUD objects |
| 09:58.41 | ToughShooter | menotume: ping |
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| 11:02.14 | CBG | bb admins: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5610&highlight= |
| 11:21.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (15 files in 4 dirs): |
| 11:21.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: save boxes, pyramids, bases, and teleporters into OBJ files |
| 11:21.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - texture coords need work |
| 11:21.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - materials are slightly tinted (in case the textures are not available) |
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| 12:29.10 | tavla | hi all |
| 12:29.36 | tavla | i've got a question about http://bzflag.org/wiki/WideBullet |
| 12:29.47 | tavla | how is that possible? |
| 12:30.20 | tavla | when it is the one being shot that determines whether he's been hit or not |
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| 14:45.28 | bz7308 | oy |
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| 15:20.20 | RPG_ | has anyone had apache just suddenly stop on windows XP? |
| 15:21.04 | blast007 | only when I do "net stop apache2" ;) |
| 15:21.22 | RPG_ | a few days ago, apache just stopped, and wouldn't start up again |
| 15:21.29 | blast007 | does it give an error when you try to start it up? |
| 15:21.40 | RPG_ | I repaired, uninstalled/reinstalled, stull doesn't work |
| 15:21.46 | RPG_ | yes, it does |
| 15:21.50 | RPG_ | but it's a Windows error |
| 15:21.53 | RPG_ | rather general |
| 15:21.57 | RPG_ | hold on |
| 15:22.37 | RPG_ | "The apache service on Local Comptuer started then stopped. SOme services stop automatically if they have no work do to, for example, the Performance Logs and Alerts servic. |
| 15:23.05 | blast007 | okay, so try launching it manually, via the command line |
| 15:23.19 | RPG_ | ehhh what's the command for that? |
| 15:23.22 | blast007 | see what command it uses in the service to launch it, and duplicate it |
| 15:23.32 | blast007 | "apache" ;) |
| 15:24.12 | RPG_ | "I:\Program Files\Apache Group\Apache\Apache.exe" --ntservice |
| 15:24.39 | blast007 | k, you could probably try that from the command line, but without --ntservice |
| 15:24.54 | RPG_ | bah |
| 15:24.57 | RPG_ | it's running now |
| 15:25.07 | RPG_ | yept |
| 15:25.10 | RPG_ | there it goes |
| 15:25.14 | RPG_ | thanks blast007 |
| 15:25.18 | RPG_ | ~blast007 ++ |
| 15:25.26 | RPG_ | ~blast007++ |
| 15:25.29 | blast007 | strange that the service didn't work though |
| 15:26.37 | RPG_ | hmm, it won't let me edit the startup options in the Windows Serivices |
| 15:26.48 | RPG_ | it's EVIL |
| 15:27.20 | blast007 | kill it, and try using the --ntservice |
| 15:27.26 | blast007 | see if _that_ give any clues |
| 15:27.43 | RPG_ | [Sun Oct 23 10:24:22 2005] [error] (1063)The service process could not connect t |
| 15:27.43 | RPG_ | o the service controller: Error starting service control dispatcher |
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| 16:16.14 | yummy | is that the server otr client that compute the lagstats values ? |
| 16:16.44 | ToughShooter | server |
| 16:16.57 | yummy | damn it :) |
| 16:17.12 | ToughShooter | ? |
| 16:17.43 | yummy | cuz i still have a lagstat Pb ... that shows huge values which isn't the case |
| 16:17.45 | blast007 | hehe, so no, you can't change it ;) |
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| 16:18.41 | blast007 | also, in regards to your traceroute problem, my ISP blocks traceroutes from working... |
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| 16:19.09 | blast007 | dies at the third hop for me |
| 16:19.09 | yummy | i guess i have the same .. someone at 1 point blocking traceroute |
| 16:20.10 | yummy | i made a 1v1 ... i had a lag over 1000ms while a ping on console shows 65ms and my mate said i wasn't laggy at all |
| 16:20.13 | blast007 | ah, you might be able to use ping to simulate a traceroute |
| 16:20.28 | blast007 | you can increase the TTL by 1 each time, and it will get 1 hop further |
| 16:20.48 | blast007 | so you could basically skip the ones that block the "ttl expired" message |
| 16:21.43 | blast007 | ex on windows, for 6 hops to google.com: ping -i 6 google.com |
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| 16:22.08 | blast007 | you'll get a reply like this: Reply from 12.123.6.6: TTL expired in transit. |
| 16:22.18 | blast007 | then you can ping that IP, and see if that is your source of lag |
| 16:22.45 | ToughShooter | Will post data show up in server logs? |
| 16:25.09 | ToughShooter | In case it does don't wonder why login stuff was send to http://my.bzflag.com/bb/ and not to the file login.php because it was me who has set the wrong path for a script and spend hours to find out that the location the info was sent to was wrong. |
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| 16:30.47 | yummy | anyone has an explanation to my lag pb ? : ping in a console shows 65ms while lagstats shows 300 up to 1500ms .. and from others playing guys it sounds to really be 65ms |
| 16:32.42 | ToughShooter | yummy, the 1vs1 server is behind a firewall that will filter out traceroutes |
| 16:33.46 | yummy | it was actually on dub on port 59998 |
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| 16:34.33 | ToughShooter | dub, viper and 1vs1 are the same server, AFAIR |
| 16:35.23 | yummy | ToughShooter: k ... but traceroute isn't really a/my Pb that i want to find the cause |
| 16:35.51 | jpa- | hmm.. i just came from helping my sister with physics homework.. does that look like a (t,v)-graph for constantly accelerating movement? http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/pix/kuvaaja.png |
| 16:35.55 | jpa- | ,) |
| 16:38.06 | cosmol | doesn't v=m/s , not m/s^2 |
| 16:38.36 | jpa- | humm yeah :D |
| 16:38.41 | jpa- | a little bug there |
| 16:39.21 | cosmol | otherwise I think it's right :D |
| 16:40.51 | uso | jpa-: the line yes, the points no ;) |
| 16:42.35 | ToughShooter | if you ignore the first point the rest looks like constantly getting lower |
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| 16:44.18 | jpa- | uso: yup, the line is just drawn "somewhere there" because the points were so strange :) |
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| 16:45.39 | Jo-W | kewl i just had that chapter :) |
| 16:48.10 | jpa- | you can guess how fun it was to write the "Examinating errors and probable causes for them" part :) |
| 16:50.27 | Jo-W | btw.. a is in m/s/s and v is in m/s |
| 16:50.54 | jpa- | yes, i already noticed that bug |
| 16:51.03 | jpa- | i just made the picture quite fast |
| 16:54.27 | Jo-W | what does alakatsomot mean? |
| 16:54.49 | RPG_ | ~dict alakatsomot |
| 16:54.57 | RPG_ | ~spell alakatsomot |
| 16:55.22 | Jo-W | its finnish |
| 16:55.37 | jpa- | Jo-W: lower viewing stands |
| 16:55.46 | Jo-W | cant find any translators online |
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| 16:55.48 | Jo-W | oh |
| 16:55.52 | jpa- | not many for finnish |
| 16:55.59 | jpa- | jpa- is one of the few |
| 16:56.04 | jpa- | ,) |
| 16:56.07 | Jo-W | yeh i know :P |
| 16:56.12 | Jo-W | and vilk? |
| 16:56.51 | jpa- | vilk is not a word.. |
| 16:57.03 | Jo-W | oh.. |
| 16:57.11 | Jo-W | is it a name or something? |
| 16:57.22 | jpa- | no, not really |
| 16:58.17 | Jo-W | its the name of a mp3 |
| 16:58.24 | jpa- | sounds like mistyping for "vilkku" as in blinking light, commonly used in cars to show they are going to turn.. (dunno the word in english) |
| 16:58.40 | jpa- | hmm.. just "vilk.mp3"? |
| 16:58.45 | Jo-W | yeh |
| 16:58.50 | jpa- | no idea |
| 16:58.59 | Jo-W | its on ur server lol |
| 16:59.37 | Jo-W | direction indicator or something |
| 16:59.39 | jpa- | ahhh |
| 16:59.51 | Jo-W | http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/vilk.mp3 |
| 16:59.54 | jpa- | well i don't usually give very descriptive names for things |
| 16:59.54 | Jo-W | ^^ |
| 17:00.04 | jpa- | it is a soundtrack for one wild-demo |
| 17:00.14 | jpa- | i think |
| 17:00.42 | jpa- | browsing one's www-dir is not very nice >:( |
| 17:01.50 | Jo-W | i did it on mistake :P |
| 17:02.18 | Jo-W | my backspace key was stuck |
| 17:02.40 | Jo-W | and pix/kuvaaja.png was removed from the url |
| 17:02.58 | Jo-W | when i jammed my backspace key back i hit my enter key |
| 17:03.17 | jpa- | yes yes |
| 17:03.19 | jpa- | excuses |
| 17:03.38 | jpa- | that shall not save thou from my anger! |
| 17:03.53 | Jo-W | oh ok |
| 17:03.57 | Jo-W | :p |
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| 17:19.22 | JeffM2501 | how do I find out if a linux install is SMB or not? |
| 17:19.29 | JeffM2501 | SMP sorry |
| 17:20.05 | jpa- | uname -a? |
| 17:20.14 | jpa- | Linux lakka.kapsi.fi 2.4.31-ow1-lakka #1 SMP Thu Jul 21 10:46:59 EEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:20.34 | JeffM2501 | hmmm mine didn't say it |
| 17:20.44 | jpa- | so it is probably not SMP.. |
| 17:20.46 | JeffM2501 | when you install do you have to tell it to use the multi CPU kernel? |
| 17:20.56 | jpa- | depends on distro |
| 17:21.02 | JeffM2501 | ubantu |
| 17:21.22 | jpa- | i would think so.. ubuntu is much like debian and for debian you have to |
| 17:21.36 | JeffM2501 | do you do that when you first boot? |
| 17:21.37 | jpa- | in first boot menu, behind F4 or so, it says to type smp |
| 17:21.42 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:21.57 | JeffM2501 | I would think I 'd want smp for a dual core right? |
| 17:23.35 | jpa- | yes |
| 17:23.49 | jpa- | while |
| 17:23.49 | jpa- | hmm |
| 17:24.24 | jpa- | i'm not exactly sure it _always_ is noted in uname -a if you have a SMP kernel.. |
| 17:25.01 | JeffM2501 | not seeing an option for smb |
| 17:25.11 | JeffM2501 | at the first boot menu |
| 17:26.12 | jpa- | hmm |
| 17:26.28 | jpa- | maybe dmesg|less, and find for CPU? |
| 17:26.50 | jpa- | Initializing CPU#0 |
| 17:26.57 | JeffM2501 | gunna see if it will let me pick a kernel on install |
| 17:27.10 | jpa- | yeah.. and one can change it later on anyway |
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| 17:59.39 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak || learner if I have the choice for what version of automake what should i pick? |
| 17:59.46 | JeffM2501 | then newest? |
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| 18:03.11 | ares_home | hi |
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| 18:09.17 | JeffM2501 | now this is funny |
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| 18:09.22 | JeffM2501 | it sends text mode to one card |
| 18:09.32 | A_Meteorite | hiya |
| 18:09.33 | JeffM2501 | and graphic mode to the other card :) |
| 18:10.04 | ToughShooter | ..interesting |
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| 18:29.13 | cosmos | those 3 point earthquakes are a nasty tease |
| 18:29.19 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: newer is better |
| 18:29.32 | cosmos | we really need an 8 pointer here. i need affordable house prices again |
| 18:29.51 | BenUrban | ... |
| 18:29.54 | BenUrban | lmao |
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| 18:30.32 | cosmos | they have 3 room single story houses selling for 1.2 million in my area |
| 18:30.38 | cosmos | thats with a whole 6 feet of lawn too |
| 18:30.58 | DTRemenak | sounds to me like it's time to pick a different area |
| 18:31.14 | cosmos | well i could move with the white supremacists 3 hours out of the city |
| 18:31.16 | JeffM2501 | I did 1.7, they had automake 1.9 |
| 18:31.27 | JeffM2501 | trying to figure out my X problem now |
| 18:31.41 | cosmos | or the same house is an affordable 850,000 in the valley |
| 18:31.44 | cosmos | ugg |
| 18:31.53 | DTRemenak | try a different state :) |
| 18:32.27 | cosmos | well i still have all my teeth so i cant move to missouri, arkansas, or mississippi |
| 18:32.38 | A_Meteorite | lol! |
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| 18:33.09 | DTRemenak | sure you can, you just might not have them any more after being there for a bit :) |
| 18:33.12 | cosmos | but trust me i would move in a heartbeat if i found a job elsewhere |
| 18:33.19 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, wana hear my wierd problem? |
| 18:33.20 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 18:33.22 | cosmos | id like to go back home to chicago |
| 18:33.31 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I like weird problems :) |
| 18:33.40 | JeffM2501 | got linux installed on the beast |
| 18:33.45 | JeffM2501 | all things are cool |
| 18:33.46 | DTRemenak | yeah, cause everyone knows houses are cheap in chicago... |
| 18:33.47 | cosmos | oh linux is weird... |
| 18:33.48 | JeffM2501 | except |
| 18:33.54 | JeffM2501 | text mode uses 1 card |
| 18:34.00 | JeffM2501 | graphic mode uses another |
| 18:34.03 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:34.09 | JeffM2501 | aka, X comes up on card 2 |
| 18:34.25 | DTRemenak | you should be able to swap them in your x config |
| 18:34.29 | cosmos | you must first pray to Tux before every install |
| 18:34.39 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, it's not that bad |
| 18:34.47 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, any idea where to look? |
| 18:34.48 | cosmos | not if you pray it isnt |
| 18:35.07 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, this isn't your typical machine |
| 18:35.07 | learner | JeffM2501, yes the newest |
| 18:35.12 | cosmos | did it state the card during Xconfig in the install |
| 18:35.19 | JeffM2501 | techincaly I should turn of SLI, but I don't want to |
| 18:35.32 | DTRemenak | urgh, you have sli on? |
| 18:35.34 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, yeah it knows the cards |
| 18:35.37 | JeffM2501 | totaly :) |
| 18:35.42 | JeffM2501 | and I don't want to change it |
| 18:35.47 | cosmos | heh |
| 18:35.52 | JeffM2501 | in windows the driver can just not enable it |
| 18:35.59 | DTRemenak | then you get to deal with your own problems :P |
| 18:36.00 | A_Meteorite | So you have two monitors? |
| 18:36.09 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, no |
| 18:36.20 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I think I can make it work |
| 18:36.32 | DTRemenak | if your bios has a primary/secondary switch you could swap it there, so your text would come up on 2 also |
| 18:36.47 | JeffM2501 | I think text is on2 |
| 18:36.51 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 18:37.10 | JeffM2501 | I'll check the xorg thing in a bit |
| 18:37.13 | JeffM2501 | it's updateing |
| 18:37.17 | JeffM2501 | kde and all that |
| 18:37.29 | JeffM2501 | even got the smp kernel going :) |
| 18:37.39 | cosmos | i think we have a similar setup i recall someone having this prob at work too. /me goes to look |
| 18:40.46 | cosmos | oh looks like we disabled sli |
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| 18:48.02 | cosmos | heya sporty |
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| 18:53.46 | Alex135 | i have a nother question lol |
| 18:54.28 | Alex135 | how do i monitor and record activity on my server like the server mesiges and the chating that people do? |
| 18:54.51 | A_Meteorite | When you start bzfs do this: |
| 18:55.10 | A_Meteorite | bzfs -allMyOptionsHere > /path/to/log/file.txt |
| 18:55.26 | A_Meteorite | You can also do the same with bzadmin |
| 18:55.33 | Alex135 | ok thx |
| 18:55.37 | JeffM2501 | there we go |
| 18:55.39 | A_Meteorite | but |
| 18:55.45 | A_Meteorite | bzfs logs everything |
| 18:55.48 | JeffM2501 | all I had to do was change the PCI bus from 4 to 5 |
| 18:55.52 | A_Meteorite | inclusing private chat |
| 18:56.17 | Alex135 | that is axactly what i need thx |
| 18:59.13 | A_Meteorite | (brb in about 5 min) |
| 19:02.54 | JeffM2501 | ok this synaptic package manager thing, it's pretty damned cool |
| 19:03.08 | A_Meteorite | what distro? |
| 19:03.15 | JeffM2501 | ubuntu |
| 19:03.22 | A_Meteorite | ah |
| 19:03.30 | A_Meteorite | That is one wonderful distor |
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| 19:09.42 | silverfox | Is there a way to get ibot to tell me the "public" message for a given server? |
| 19:10.13 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:10.33 | silverfox | ibot, I'm disappointed. I thought you could do anything. |
| 19:14.26 | jpa- | silverfox: depending on what you want it for, one could probably get it from the url where the server list is.. |
| 19:14.31 | jpa- | (can't remember it :( |
| 19:14.41 | A_Meteorite | my.bzflag.org |
| 19:14.48 | A_Meteorite | the server tab |
| 19:15.21 | jpa- | http://my.bzflag.org:81/db/ |
| 19:15.22 | ToughShooter | A PHP script could grab it for example |
| 19:15.39 | A_Meteorite | Why do you need to go on port 81? |
| 19:15.56 | JeffM2501 | he's probably proxyed |
| 19:15.58 | jpa- | well 80 would work too |
| 19:16.00 | ToughShooter | Just like the script I've done to print out the group members of a given group |
| 19:16.03 | jpa- | i pasted that from my config |
| 19:17.46 | blast007 | if he's proxied, then his browser should use the proxy :) |
| 19:18.37 | JeffM2501 | he probably just copied it from his config |
| 19:18.39 | jpa- | i just think the :81 is cuter, ok? |
| 19:18.51 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 19:18.59 | jpa- | JeffM2501: yes, very good guess if i say "< jpa-> i pasted that from my config" :D |
| 19:19.08 | A_Meteorite | definitely looks more "technincal" |
| 19:19.10 | A_Meteorite | ;) |
| 19:19.20 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:19.24 | JeffM2501 | didn't even read it |
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| 19:55.56 | JeffM2501 | is there anyway to have the makefile compile more then one file at a time? |
| 19:57.18 | BenUrban | make -j |
| 19:57.34 | JeffM2501 | it will do more then one? |
| 19:57.41 | JeffM2501 | how do I tell it how many? |
| 19:58.45 | BenUrban | make -j3 |
| 19:58.46 | BenUrban | make -j2 |
| 19:58.52 | JeffM2501 | ahh cool |
| 19:58.53 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 19:59.05 | JeffM2501 | got the 2 cores, may as well put em to use right :) |
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| 20:04.42 | cosmos | try gmake -j2000 |
| 20:05.11 | JeffM2501 | 2000? |
| 20:05.19 | cosmos | ;) |
| 20:05.47 | BenUrban | JeffM2501: the recommended value is one more than the number of cpus |
| 20:06.00 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:06.10 | BenUrban | not sure why |
| 20:06.18 | BenUrban | but that's what they recommend at gentoo |
| 20:06.34 | JeffM2501 | maybe modern CPUs can hyperthread better with that |
| 20:06.40 | JeffM2501 | or pipeline or osmtheing |
| 20:06.56 | BenUrban | or maybe the idea is to keep the cpus busy for as long as possible |
| 20:06.59 | JeffM2501 | or maybe so it's never waiting |
| 20:07.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:08.14 | devster | mmm pipelining |
| 20:09.15 | ToughShooter | Hmm, but all halfway decent CPUs have pipelines |
| 20:09.24 | ToughShooter | even the p4 |
| 20:10.22 | JeffM2501 | that's probably why they recomend it then |
| 20:10.34 | ToughShooter | heh |
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| 20:11.02 | Alex135 | i have a nother question... agin |
| 20:11.16 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 20:11.17 | ToughShooter | I only wondered because devster wrote it as if pipeling would be something special |
| 20:11.25 | A_Meteorite | (what is it?) |
| 20:11.40 | Alex135 | what is the best program to make grate looking maps |
| 20:11.51 | cosmos | gratemaps.exe |
| 20:11.51 | ToughShooter | vim SNCR |
| 20:11.53 | A_Meteorite | If you're on Windows... |
| 20:11.58 | A_Meteorite | BZEdit |
| 20:12.05 | JeffM2501 | depends on what kind of map you want to make |
| 20:12.12 | cosmos | alex, define a grate map |
| 20:12.16 | JeffM2501 | the best maps are made with more then one tool |
| 20:12.19 | ToughShooter | vim is best for all ;) |
| 20:12.29 | A_Meteorite | If you want modeler you could use Wings |
| 20:12.43 | A_Meteorite | More opinion than anything |
| 20:12.43 | JeffM2501 | usualy you use a modeler and a text editor |
| 20:12.44 | Alex135 | say if i wanted to make ones like tadds |
| 20:12.46 | A_Meteorite | there are other ones |
| 20:12.57 | cosmos | oh then you mean great not grate.... |
| 20:13.03 | A_Meteorite | :| |
| 20:13.06 | JeffM2501 | if it's made out of boxes and pyrmaids with no 2.0 features then bzedit will work fine |
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| 20:13.21 | A_Meteorite | If not then you handcode, right? |
| 20:13.28 | trepan | but it won't look "great" ;) |
| 20:13.29 | A_Meteorite | Or Wings? |
| 20:13.32 | JeffM2501 | if you wish to use 2.0 features you will have to ether do them by hand in a text editor, or merge them from a modeler |
| 20:13.38 | Alex135 | how do i use wings aneway |
| 20:13.43 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, wings is only for meshes |
| 20:13.46 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 20:13.48 | Alex135 | o |
| 20:13.50 | JeffM2501 | and meshes are only part of a map |
| 20:13.56 | A_Meteorite | So, what's a modeler?! |
| 20:13.57 | ToughShooter | it's a 3d modeller out of many |
| 20:13.58 | A_Meteorite | where? |
| 20:14.04 | A_Meteorite | one for mac? |
| 20:14.07 | A_Meteorite | *sigh* |
| 20:14.08 | JeffM2501 | a modeler makes meshes |
| 20:14.20 | JeffM2501 | wings is a modeler |
| 20:14.23 | A_Meteorite | oh... |
| 20:14.52 | A_Meteorite | you started to confise me! |
| 20:14.59 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, basicly you often use 3 tools, a bzeditor ( if there is one for your OS ), a modeler for your meshes, and a text editor for all the stuff that the other 2 don't support |
| 20:15.02 | Alex135 | i am already confused |
| 20:15.04 | JeffM2501 | and to merge it all together |
| 20:15.09 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, it's not a trivial task |
| 20:15.15 | JeffM2501 | you have to know the map format |
| 20:15.27 | JeffM2501 | there isn't a single tool that just lets you make maps with all features |
| 20:15.32 | A_Meteorite | But if you learn it well you *can* handcode... |
| 20:15.42 | A_Meteorite | that's what I did for Battlefield: Chaos |
| 20:15.43 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, what OS are you on? |
| 20:17.39 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 20:17.41 | JeffM2501 | compiler? |
| 20:18.17 | silverfox | yes, the x3000 silverfox compiler which whizzes, bangs and poof! A bzw spits out for bzfs to read. |
| 20:18.49 | ToughShooter | I haven't looked at the source yet but as they are getting compressed and the content is changed it seems possible |
| 20:19.06 | JeffM2501 | they are not "compiled" |
| 20:19.21 | JeffM2501 | they are parsed by the server and turned into a binary format that is sent to the client |
| 20:19.29 | JeffM2501 | the parser is only in the client |
| 20:19.39 | JeffM2501 | but it's not like it's "compiled" |
| 20:19.45 | silverfox | the binary parser? |
| 20:19.58 | JeffM2501 | sorry parser is only in the server |
| 20:20.05 | JeffM2501 | we turn them into data structures |
| 20:20.09 | JeffM2501 | and send that data over the wire |
| 20:20.12 | JeffM2501 | it's a lot smaller |
| 20:20.25 | JeffM2501 | and has to be done at some point, may as only do it once |
| 20:20.28 | silverfox | makes sense. Probably less duplicated work for the client too. |
| 20:20.28 | Alex135 | i have kinda an advanced question also.. it is non server related |
| 20:20.40 | Alex135 | how do i edit the sorce of bzflag |
| 20:20.42 | JeffM2501 | but it's not like the maps are turned into opcodes or something |
| 20:20.49 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, you get it, edit it and compiler it |
| 20:20.58 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to get a compiler and know C++ |
| 20:20.59 | silverfox | Alex135, with a editor presumably. |
| 20:21.04 | A_Meteorite | You can also check out CVS |
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| 20:21.14 | A_Meteorite | if you want the bleeding edge code... |
| 20:21.26 | JeffM2501 | windows does not come with a compiler |
| 20:22.07 | Alex135 | o |
| 20:22.15 | silverfox | I'm gonna have to make a irc alias for /clientquery |
| 20:24.27 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: My understanding from a compiler is: scanner -> parser -> semantical analysis -> between code generation (don't know the correct word) -> optimization -> end code generation |
| 20:25.12 | ToughShooter | As I said, it could be. Never said it is like that for sure. |
| 20:26.25 | JeffM2501 | there is no "code generaton" for maps |
| 20:26.33 | JeffM2501 | the data is just red into memory and prepared for use |
| 20:26.38 | JeffM2501 | same as a text editor reads a file |
| 20:26.43 | JeffM2501 | or an image editor reads a picture |
| 20:26.55 | JeffM2501 | often the in memory format is very difrent from the on disk format |
| 20:27.08 | JeffM2501 | but we don't say that vim "compiles" text files |
| 20:27.25 | JeffM2501 | there is also no real "optimisation" |
| 20:27.28 | ToughShooter | I meant bzw -> bwt |
| 20:27.29 | JeffM2501 | the map is just read |
| 20:27.40 | trepan | has a map "compiler" that "optimizes" |
| 20:28.23 | trepan | heck, that could even be said about bzmapper with its box merging |
| 20:28.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:29.35 | JeffM2501 | but saying the maps are compiled by bzfs is somewhat misleading |
| 20:29.57 | JeffM2501 | it's just data |
| 20:30.01 | ToughShooter | :( |
| 20:30.14 | JeffM2501 | now something like a quake map is compiled |
| 20:30.43 | JeffM2501 | as it is converted from a universal text format to a specific optimised binary format before it can even be used |
| 20:30.59 | JeffM2501 | as it has had computations performed on it |
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| 20:31.46 | trepan | semantics, bzfs can triangulate now too, altering geo so that they can be used |
| 20:32.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:32.32 | JeffM2501 | it's going to do more and more |
| 20:32.42 | trepan | and it does "compile" them for its own use, group gen, octrees, etc... |
| 20:32.49 | JeffM2501 | specialy once it makes lods |
| 20:33.02 | JeffM2501 | be cool if you couldmake bzfs read the binary verison |
| 20:33.06 | JeffM2501 | that is saved in cache |
| 20:33.07 | trepan | na, lods gen and stripping is better done offline :) |
| 20:34.12 | JeffM2501 | probably |
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| 20:41.48 | lala | n/join #bz-inc |
| 20:42.30 | BenUrban | ~n |
| 20:42.33 | ibot | hmm... n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much |
| 20:42.41 | SilentSwan | nyep :) |
| 20:43.05 | A_Meteorite | ~n |
| 20:43.06 | ibot | n is probably the disease bzflag players get when they play too much |
| 20:43.09 | A_Meteorite | hehe |
| 20:43.24 | A_Meteorite | these bots are pretty cool 8) |
| 20:43.34 | SilentSwan | ~spank ibot |
| 20:43.35 | ibot | ACTION bends ibot over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on ibot's pasty white buttocks. |
| 20:43.35 | BenUrban | ~lart A_Meteorite |
| 20:43.42 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 20:43.45 | BenUrban | wow |
| 20:43.47 | BenUrban | how appropriate |
| 20:43.49 | A_Meteorite | hehe |
| 20:43.51 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 20:43.59 | SilentSwan | i discovered the "spank" option by accident last night :) |
| 20:44.02 | BenUrban | haha |
| 20:44.17 | A_Meteorite | "accident"? |
| 20:44.28 | CBG | SilentSwan: "accident" eh? :) |
| 20:44.30 | SilentSwan | well, i started to enjoy it after a while :) |
| 20:44.34 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 20:44.39 | CBG | Some of us didnt. |
| 20:44.41 | teh_conquerer | lol |
| 20:44.42 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 20:44.48 | A_Meteorite | ~spank SilentSwan |
| 20:44.49 | ibot | ACTION bends SilentSwan over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on SilentSwan's pasty white buttocks. |
| 20:44.52 | CBG | We dont like the image of Jeffs pasty white ass just before we go to bed. |
| 20:44.52 | SilentSwan | *eek* |
| 20:45.03 | BenUrban | haha |
| 20:45.05 | CBG | omg.... |
| 20:45.09 | teh_conquerer | word |
| 20:45.25 | SilentSwan | i'm sicker than all of you |
| 20:45.34 | CBG | Yeah... |
| 20:45.39 | BenUrban | that seems obvious |
| 20:45.41 | CBG | You got that rught. |
| 20:45.42 | teh_conquerer | we know |
| 20:45.42 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 20:45.44 | CBG | right* |
| 20:46.06 | SilentSwan | well, since we're all in agreement... :) |
| 20:46.24 | CBG | Anyone heard of TeamSpeak for Mac OSX? |
| 20:46.34 | SilentSwan | sounds familiar |
| 20:46.42 | CBG | for Mac? |
| 20:46.46 | teh_conquerer | no |
| 20:46.56 | teh_conquerer | emulate the windows or linux version |
| 20:47.16 | SilentSwan | Unofficial Teamspeex Mac Client in Beta |
| 20:47.25 | SilentSwan | http://www.goteamspeak.com/news.php |
| 20:47.54 | CBG | bah, I just found that a seconds befor you posted |
| 20:48.02 | SilentSwan | hehe |
| 20:48.03 | CBG | pardon my ignorance, and thanks SilentSwan |
| 20:48.07 | SilentSwan | sure |
| 20:49.21 | teh_conquerer | wow |
| 20:49.25 | CBG | only 400k. :) |
| 20:49.30 | teh_conquerer | teamspeez is kinda pretty |
| 20:49.42 | teh_conquerer | speex |
| 20:50.03 | CBG | Not one built in? |
| 20:50.05 | SilentSwan | no |
| 20:50.10 | BenUrban | mac mini? |
| 20:50.13 | SilentSwan | nope |
| 20:50.16 | SilentSwan | G4 tower |
| 20:50.31 | silverfox | is teamspeak full duplex, or is it push to talk? |
| 20:50.39 | CBG | It may have low specs, but it atleast has some of everything :P |
| 20:50.39 | SilentSwan | i've firmly decided i will not likely be purchasing any more apple products |
| 20:50.52 | SilentSwan | silverfox sounds like PTT from what it describes |
| 20:50.53 | silverfox | wow. Thats an unusual attitude. |
| 20:50.57 | CBG | silverfox: you gotta pusha button to talk i think |
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| 20:51.12 | SilentSwan | i only skimmed over it |
| 20:51.14 | CBG | SilentSwan: WHY?? o.O |
| 20:51.16 | silverfox | why not SilentSwan? |
| 20:51.17 | SilentSwan | hello Legoguy |
| 20:51.33 | SilentSwan | their decision to switch to intel (among many other minor annoyances) |
| 20:51.46 | silverfox | they're going CISC? |
| 20:51.46 | BenUrban | so you'd rather by an intel pc? |
| 20:51.46 | CBG | Why is that bad, in your opinion? |
| 20:51.52 | BenUrban | *buy |
| 20:51.57 | SilentSwan | BenUrban no, i'm building an AMD one |
| 20:52.02 | BenUrban | ah |
| 20:52.10 | silverfox | besides being an inferior technology, nothing. |
| 20:52.13 | *** join/#bzflag ep (n=ep@ip68-228-169-106.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 20:52.13 | SilentSwan | why should i pay apples insane prices to run on the same hardware i can make for 1/2 the price? |
| 20:52.24 | silverfox | SilentSwan, I agree. |
| 20:52.29 | BenUrban | because it Just Works (tm) |
| 20:52.33 | A_Meteorite | 'cause you don't get the beauty of Mac OS X |
| 20:52.37 | CBG | Well, will you put Mac OS on your "PC" if/when that is possible? |
| 20:52.49 | CBG | (Apple say it wont, but it's already been hacked, afaik) |
| 20:52.57 | SilentSwan | only trouble with this is a) no photoshop on linux, b) no music editing apps (Finale/Logic/etc) on linux |
| 20:53.06 | SilentSwan | CBG it has and i've seen it done |
| 20:53.16 | silverfox | SilentSwan, WINE works nicely. |
| 20:53.17 | CBG | So, any plans to do that, if it becomes legal? |
| 20:53.25 | SilentSwan | wine's a possibility |
| 20:53.26 | CBG | lol BenUrban |
| 20:53.28 | A_Meteorite | Yes, I want to hack it to work on a PC I'm building |
| 20:53.31 | silverfox | SilentSwan, CrossOffice works even better. |
| 20:53.32 | A_Meteorite | a dual boot |
| 20:53.34 | SilentSwan | gimp? hahahaha |
| 20:53.37 | BenUrban | yeah i know |
| 20:53.43 | SilentSwan | <- photographer |
| 20:53.49 | SilentSwan | to a photographer, gimp is useleess |
| 20:53.53 | BenUrban | heh |
| 20:53.53 | SilentSwan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.55 | silverfox | You think so? |
| 20:53.58 | SilentSwan | quite |
| 20:54.09 | silverfox | I don't like gimp, but I always presumed that's because I can't understand how to use it. |
| 20:54.16 | CBG | Run Photoshop on your existing (superior) Apple product? |
| 20:54.24 | silverfox | SilentSwan, take a look at http://www.shannon-photography.com/ |
| 20:54.36 | SilentSwan | my existing apple product is inferior.. 800MHz g4 |
| 20:54.43 | CBG | ooh. |
| 20:54.49 | CBG | even my ibook beats that :( |
| 20:54.51 | SilentSwan | it needs to go |
| 20:55.32 | *** join/#bzflag googelen (n=spreker@ip51cfa1ef.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 20:55.41 | CBG | silverfox: why paste the link? is that stuff done on gimp? |
| 20:55.55 | silverfox | It has user level logins that allow customers to preview and select the pictures they'd like to order. |
| 20:56.10 | SilentSwan | uhh... i see |
| 20:56.15 | CBG | o.O |
| 20:56.26 | silverfox | The photographer uploads all the photos and manages the user accounts from the webpage. |
| 20:57.04 | CBG | i dont see the relevance... :( |
| 20:57.08 | cosmos | gimp is appropriately named |
| 20:57.11 | cosmos | its gimpy |
| 20:57.12 | silverfox | She's a photographer. |
| 20:57.14 | SilentSwan | indeed |
| 20:57.29 | CBG | hehe cosmos |
| 20:57.31 | silverfox | CBG, I created that website. |
| 20:57.40 | silverfox | Doesn't that make it relevant? |
| 20:57.43 | CBG | silverfox: oh. :) ok... but, still... |
| 20:57.47 | SilentSwan | you didn't say that :) |
| 20:57.47 | silverfox | by about 3 degrees. |
| 20:57.57 | silverfox | I was waiting for you to be impressed. ;) |
| 20:58.02 | SilentSwan | hehe |
| 20:58.04 | CBG | its awesome :) |
| 20:58.05 | *** join/#bzflag blast007` (i=blast007@24-196-92-143.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) |
| 20:58.12 | SilentSwan | nice clean interface |
| 20:58.12 | SilentSwan | there |
| 20:58.13 | SilentSwan | :) |
| 20:58.13 | CBG | its awesome :) |
| 20:58.19 | CBG | its very awesome :) |
| 20:58.20 | silverfox | thanks. ;) |
| 20:58.25 | SilentSwan | and i *like* nice clean interfaces... |
| 20:58.30 | SilentSwan | they are sadly not used often enough |
| 20:58.52 | CBG | agreed, SilentSwan |
| 21:06.50 | bryjen | ~weather kowb |
| 21:07.30 | CBG | Can anyone here help me connect to a sever with teamspeak? |
| 21:07.40 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 21:07.40 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 21:09.57 | CBG | Have I been muted on the whole of freenode? :( |
| 21:10.06 | A_Meteorite | no |
| 21:10.18 | A_Meteorite | I don't know how to do that, though. :( |
| 21:10.18 | CBG | and Nobody here can help me with TeamSpeak?\ |
| 21:10.28 | A_Meteorite | never used it |
| 21:10.37 | bryjen | is this #teamspeak ? |
| 21:10.54 | CBG | bryjen: ... |
| 21:11.22 | CBG | Go there, bryjen. I dare ya. |
| 21:13.36 | bryjen | i don't even know if that's a channel. just pointing out that _this_ channel is not the best place |
| 21:14.04 | CBG | bryjen: I don't know anywhere better. I know many bzflaggers us teamspeak, I thought one might be here.... |
| 21:14.49 | bryjen | fair 'nuff |
| 21:14.55 | CBG | :) |
| 21:15.38 | silverfox | CBG, may have better luck in #bzleague |
| 21:15.59 | CBG | I have asked there, silverfox. It's dead. |
| 21:17.08 | Tupone | CBG: I cannot say the name, but I can point you the highest who have voice here |
| 21:17.26 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (n=SportChi@ca-redbch-cuda1-c3b-a-40.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 21:17.38 | CBG | Tupone: why can't you say it? |
| 21:17.53 | Tupone | I'm not a spy |
| 21:18.00 | CBG | :/ |
| 21:18.35 | CBG | What does that mean? :( |
| 21:18.50 | Tupone | CBG: you are very slow :/ |
| 21:18.57 | CBG | :( |
| 21:19.08 | CBG | Im fat and have little legs... I cant run fast... |
| 21:19.08 | Tupone | read between the line |
| 21:19.32 | CBG | well, between the lines, it is just SC joining and me talking. |
| 21:19.47 | Tupone | who have just voice here ? |
| 21:20.05 | CBG | I know who you mean, but not why you cant say it. |
| 21:20.12 | Tupone | j/k :) |
| 21:20.19 | CBG | o.O |
| 21:20.28 | CBG | DTRemenak, ping? |
| 21:20.31 | bryjen | "<Tupone> I'm not a spy" is exactly what a spy would say... ;) |
| 21:20.40 | CBG | indeed, bryjen |
| 21:20.53 | Tupone | bryjen: :) |
| 21:21.49 | Tupone | however I prefer a real phone to team speak |
| 21:22.13 | CBG | Like thats gonna work with dozens of others while playing bzflag :P |
| 21:22.25 | bryjen | conference call |
| 21:22.46 | Tupone | I think callcentric.com works. Have to check |
| 21:23.00 | CBG | geez, how much do you guys earn an hour? :) |
| 21:23.10 | Tupone | CBG: VoIP |
| 21:23.20 | CBG | Thats what TS is...? |
| 21:23.21 | Tupone | SoftPhone |
| 21:23.38 | SilentSwan | mmm... food |
| 21:24.29 | Tupone | Software Phone :) |
| 21:25.12 | SilentSwan | mmm... soft fuzzy phone |
| 21:26.06 | SilentSwan | i have concluded that no phone made in the last 10 years can be comfortably held against the ear for long periods of time |
| 21:26.19 | SilentSwan | and i'm the sort that does 4 hour phone calls |
| 21:26.32 | CBG | oh no. |
| 21:28.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (Plan.h clientConfig.h commands.h effectsRenderer.h): include |
| 21:32.33 | SilentSwan | hmm.. i'm kinda curious.. is there a way to find out how many "active" bzflag players there are? (by active, i mean played in the last 30 days) |
| 21:32.44 | A_Meteorite | uhh |
| 21:32.48 | A_Meteorite | not that I know of |
| 21:33.03 | SilentSwan | ah ok... didn't see anything on the stats page really |
| 21:33.51 | bryjen | maybe by poking at the registration database. iirc there's a field for last logon |
| 21:33.56 | SilentSwan | hah, i havn't played since Fri Sep 30 23:19:48 MST 2005 |
| 21:34.04 | CBG | o.O |
| 21:34.05 | SilentSwan | bryjen ahhh |
| 21:34.12 | CBG | play now, SilentSwan :P |
| 21:34.18 | SilentSwan | was just idle curiosity |
| 21:34.21 | SilentSwan | CBG nah |
| 21:34.27 | SilentSwan | this computer has been getting flaky |
| 21:34.45 | SilentSwan | besides, i don't have the time anymore really to play much |
| 21:34.54 | CBG | :( |
| 21:35.01 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 21:35.11 | SilentSwan | but... what i'm doing with my time is a little more fun :) |
| 21:35.14 | SilentSwan | anyway, brb |
| 21:35.39 | googelen | a little question about http://bzflag.org/wiki/WideBullet -- how is that possible, when it is the one being shot that determines whether he's been hit or not? |
| 21:38.24 | purple_cow | googelen: i don't think it is possible... |
| 21:38.43 | googelen | that's what i was thinking, purple_cow |
| 21:38.57 | googelen | it's a mistake in the wiki, no? |
| 21:39.41 | brlcad | only way that could be possible would be if the remote client send a position update for that shot in flight that made it reposition in front of the tank in question (giving the perception of a wide shot) |
| 21:39.58 | brlcad | and even that is a bit dubious as to whether the protocol would allow it |
| 21:42.04 | googelen | hmm, but shots, once they are fired, then their trajectory is calculated/checked by the server, no? |
| 21:42.27 | Tupone | server no! |
| 21:43.28 | bryjen | each client calculate the path from the shot begin message. only GM updates in flight |
| 21:43.45 | A_Meteorite | I'll bbl - much later. cya |
| 21:44.03 | CBG | bye :) |
| 21:44.08 | *** part/#bzflag A_Meteorite (n=A_Meteor@69.111.244.110) |
| 21:44.16 | googelen | so the client can 'bend' its own shots, bryjen ? |
| 21:44.54 | googelen | if it has been modified, that is? |
| 21:45.48 | bryjen | only in it's own perception of reality. the server doesn't care, and the other clients have already calculated the path and /should not/ accept updates, except for GM |
| 21:46.54 | googelen | ah, okay, so "wide bullets" aren't possible |
| 21:48.24 | DTRemenak | CBG: pong |
| 21:48.45 | CBG | DTRemenak: Can you help me with TeamSpeak or more specifically TeamSpeex? |
| 21:49.12 | DTRemenak | possibly with teamspeak. certainly not with any xes :) |
| 21:49.27 | CBG | I just cant connect to anything... |
| 21:49.37 | DTRemenak | works for me |
| 21:49.46 | CBG | Can you give me the details for an active server? |
| 21:50.56 | DTRemenak | erm...no :) |
| 21:51.29 | CBG | Hmm, someone else just did,and it seems my client is broke. |
| 21:51.47 | DTRemenak | sounds likely |
| 21:51.48 | CBG | Which is odd since I just downloaded it and opened it... |
| 21:52.20 | *** join/#bzflag eXtreme (n=foo@unaffiliated/brad2901) |
| 21:53.33 | bryjen | "unofficial, 3rd party Macintosh client" First news item at http://www.goteamspeak.com/news.php |
| 21:53.44 | CBG | bryjen: yeah. :) |
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| 22:13.34 | *** join/#bzflag Alex135 (n=8fcf0804@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
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| 22:29.25 | Alex135 | great just perfect i forgot how to log activity becus just after i was toled my little brother kiked me off the computer can somone tell me how agin |
| 22:29.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (10 files): include ... last one |
| 22:29.57 | *** part/#bzflag googelen (n=spreker@ip51cfa1ef.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 22:31.59 | Alex135 | can somone tell me how to monitor activity on my server? |
| 22:32.13 | Alex135 | and log it |
| 22:33.08 | Alex135 | ??? is anyone here? |
| 22:33.31 | brlcad | irc ettiquitte is to ask and just wait quietly |
| 22:34.00 | Alex135 | o ok |
| 22:34.04 | brlcad | we don't all sit around waiting for you to ask questions |
| 22:34.10 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust130.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 22:34.54 | brlcad | bzfs will log automatically, just add some -d -d -d command line options and redirect the output to a file |
| 22:35.14 | Alex135 | o ok |
| 22:35.16 | Alex135 | thx |
| 22:37.43 | brlcad | you could also attach with bzadmin if you don't want/need to save it to a file |
| 22:59.55 | cosmos | alex if you donate $150 via paypal im sure we could help |
| 23:01.00 | cosmos | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5616 |
| 23:01.02 | cosmos | ?? |
| 23:03.00 | blast007 | sigh...more spam :/ |
| 23:04.13 | silverfx | time to disable guest posting. |
| 23:04.40 | silverfx | If you post the IP of that poster, I'll ban it from our webserver to avoid the same thing. |
| 23:08.06 | blast007 | the guest posting is needed on the board where registration issues are posted |
| 23:08.15 | blast007 | cuz...they are having problems registering :) |
| 23:14.24 | cosmos | nice |
| 23:26.45 | silverfx | maybe a feedback form with an email address or something. |
| 23:27.16 | silverfx | I bed it wouldn't be hard to get a small group of users willing to handle unregistered "support requests" via a mailing list. |
| 23:27.34 | blast007 | it's not that big of a deal though, we can just delete the spam |
| 23:27.51 | blast007 | the way it is set up, anyone can post help to new users |
| 23:31.51 | *** join/#bzflag triclops (n=triclops@203-158-46-13.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:36.07 | cosmos | until you get 30 spams per minute |
| 23:36.58 | bryjen | thankfully, our little corner of the web doesn't attract that much attention |
| 23:38.37 | cosmos | [Admin] KILLER_1: hi need any admin i have always wanted to be one can i ple |
| 23:38.37 | cosmos | ase |
| 23:39.12 | cosmos | after i say no he threatens to hack the server. i forgot why i loved this game |
| 23:40.30 | bryjen | you seem to attract them somehow :( i've had a few ask, but no threats. then again, my box has less traffic... |
| 23:41.11 | SilentSwan | in the approximately 5 days i'd actually had a bz server running, i was pestered at least twice per day |
| 23:42.31 | SilentSwan | so i made a rule that said something like "admin-begging results in ban"... :) |
| 23:42.39 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar (n=foo@allegro/user/wegstar) |
| 23:42.43 | cosmos | i dont have much traffic right now |
| 23:42.57 | cosmos | but they see a new server and they come running to beg |
| 23:43.03 | SilentSwan | exactly |
| 23:43.15 | SilentSwan | it probably settles after the svr has been up a while |
| 23:43.26 | cosmos | too bad they dont realize cosmos bans first and ask questions later |
| 23:43.28 | SilentSwan | wouldn't know, i killed mine pretty quick |
| 23:43.43 | brlcad | you did |
| 23:43.45 | wegstar | yay! it's cosmos :) |
| 23:44.29 | cosmos | hey wegstr |
| 23:44.29 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust130.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 23:44.30 | cosmos | this guy is persistant though |
| 23:44.51 | SilentSwan | trouble is, sometimes you ban too fast, they try to retaliate... most don't succeed, but many do |
| 23:44.55 | SilentSwan | same thing with IRC |
| 23:45.36 | cosmos | well if he rejoins again with his crap his whole isp will earn the ban |
| 23:45.59 | SilentSwan | hmm... i wonder if my impostor is still running around.. |
| 23:46.52 | SilentSwan | yep |
| 23:47.03 | SilentSwan | http://stats.bzflag.org/playerinfo.php?callsign=The+Silent+Swan |
| 23:47.08 | SilentSwan | not a very good player, either |
| 23:48.17 | CBG | SO, not so flatttering, then? |
| 23:48.32 | CBG | flattering* |
| 23:48.42 | SilentSwan | oh i don't know that this person is doing anything malicious... it is possible they just came upon the same name |
| 23:48.52 | SilentSwan | but i questioned them about it one night and got no reply |
| 23:49.02 | CBG | Also proved nothing. |
| 23:49.06 | SilentSwan | yep |
| 23:49.14 | CBG | Many people do not use the chat facilities at all. |
| 23:49.17 | SilentSwan | doesn't matter to me, as long as people don't think it's me |
| 23:49.23 | CBG | :) |
| 23:49.29 | CBG | How could we ever? ;) |
| 23:49.30 | SilentSwan | esp. if they're being naughty |
| 23:49.34 | SilentSwan | er.. wait |
| 23:49.38 | SilentSwan | is that the other way around? |
| 23:49.44 | CBG | heh :) |
| 23:49.49 | SilentSwan | if they're NOT being naughty, it is not me |
| 23:49.54 | CBG | we just gotta see their reaction to being spanked. |
| 23:49.59 | bryjen | by the ibot tattoo ;) |
| 23:50.03 | CBG | thats a sure-fire way :) |
| 23:50.06 | SilentSwan | hah |
| 23:51.24 | SilentSwan | ah, nothing like building X.org from source... |
| 23:51.29 | SilentSwan | an a 400MHz ultra10 |
| 23:52.21 | bryjen | if that's not a sign of masochism... |
| 23:52.26 | SilentSwan | hahaha |
| 23:53.33 | SilentSwan | behold - the dungeon of ancient computers |
| 23:53.54 | bryjen | what's that smell? |
| 23:53.56 | SilentSwan | see that sun 3/50 over there? with the spider webs? |
| 23:54.57 | cosmos | i still run sunos 4.1.4 here |
| 23:55.05 | SilentSwan | *eek* |
| 23:55.13 | SilentSwan | whatever for? |
| 23:55.28 | cosmos | it powers our $15k per day porno batch processing |
| 23:55.35 | SilentSwan | oh sweet :) |
| 23:56.37 | bryjen | if it ain't broke, noone touches it, and it gets old and crusty |
| 23:56.38 | bryjen | ;) |
| 23:57.03 | blast007 | "if it still runs, you ain't trying hard enough" |
| 23:57.06 | SilentSwan | i still had a sparcstation 4 running solaris 7 just before i moved here.. now it's just sitting in my basement with all the other junk |
| 23:57.30 | *** join/#bzflag Greasy_Peanut (n=Greasy_P@200.122.157.50) |
| 23:59.36 | SilentSwan | uh oh |
| 23:59.38 | SilentSwan | ~spank |
| 23:59.39 | ibot | ACTION gets out the Spanking Paddle |
