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| 00:05.19 | *** join/#bzflag BenUrban (n=benurban@pool-70-21-68-134.res.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:07.14 | CBG | It's ben urban! :) |
| 00:07.32 | BenUrban | looks like my grandmother's neighbor now has a hotspot |
| 00:07.41 | CBG | o.O |
| 00:08.56 | I_Died_Once | my wireless is encrypted |
| 00:09.00 | I_Died_Once | WEP |
| 00:09.01 | BenUrban | then it's not you |
| 00:09.09 | BenUrban | ;) |
| 00:09.17 | BenUrban | mine isn't encrypted |
| 00:09.25 | I_Died_Once | wireless under linux is a PAIN |
| 00:09.26 | BenUrban | i believe in openness :) |
| 00:09.35 | BenUrban | mine Just Works (TM) |
| 00:09.37 | I_Died_Once | especially dealing with that damn NDISwrapper program |
| 00:09.42 | BenUrban | haha |
| 00:09.56 | BenUrban | <-- prism54 |
| 00:09.58 | BenUrban | :D |
| 00:10.09 | I_Died_Once | but I got it working, even on the dreaded Broadcom one (the one that few can get to work) |
| 00:10.32 | BenUrban | congrats |
| 00:10.51 | I_Died_Once | I almost flew out to Atlanta to beat up a forum mod that was a smartass |
| 00:10.58 | I_Died_Once | on this one forum |
| 00:11.19 | blast007 | lol |
| 00:11.54 | I_Died_Once | one of those read this: (war & peace) |
| 00:12.44 | I_Died_Once | one of those deals |
| 00:12.54 | I_Died_Once | the link provided has ALOT 9of useless) info |
| 00:13.09 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 00:13.17 | I_Died_Once | I'm getting pissed off all over again just thinking about it |
| 00:13.24 | I_Died_Once | next subject |
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| 00:40.42 | I_Died_Once | why would a server all of a sudden stop allowing its players to kill each other? |
| 00:41.24 | blast007 | is the server running on windows? |
| 00:41.30 | I_Died_Once | nope |
| 00:41.34 | blast007 | hmm, k |
| 00:41.42 | I_Died_Once | suse 9.3 |
| 00:41.55 | lan56 | what exactly do you mean by "not kill"? can they shoot? do the bullets go right through tanks? |
| 00:42.07 | I_Died_Once | bullets were going through the tanks |
| 00:42.17 | blast007 | so the bullets are showing up, hmmm |
| 00:42.19 | lan56 | what were the lag times for such tanks? |
| 00:42.25 | I_Died_Once | normal |
| 00:42.33 | I_Died_Once | I dont get it |
| 00:43.04 | I_Died_Once | I used the bzfscron plugin to load a crontab and the crontab schedules stuff for bzfs to carry out.... |
| 00:43.34 | I_Died_Once | and i got mine set up to jack up stuff, but nothing that should cause not being about to kill |
| 00:43.47 | lan56 | the bullets go through the tank and out the other side, or do they stop once they reach a tank? |
| 00:43.58 | I_Died_Once | they go through |
| 00:44.02 | lan56 | ahh |
| 00:44.07 | I_Died_Once | and keep going |
| 00:44.18 | lan56 | I see |
| 00:44.42 | I_Died_Once | hold on, I'll try to duplicate the problem |
| 00:47.26 | blast007 | so lots of /set's are going on? |
| 00:47.47 | I_Died_Once | yeah |
| 00:48.00 | I_Died_Once | but nothing too out there |
| 00:48.05 | blast007 | that might do it...I've seen that happen before, back in 1.10 |
| 00:48.07 | I_Died_Once | mainly shockwave and GM settings |
| 00:48.17 | I_Died_Once | stuff LIKE that |
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| 00:48.30 | lan56 | were these bullets regular bullets or bullets of a certain flag? |
| 00:48.40 | blast007 | anything with tank speed or shot settings? |
| 00:49.16 | I_Died_Once | regular bullets - and only slight changes to tankspeed and shotspeed |
| 00:49.19 | blast007 | might try doing a /reset * when the problem occurs again, and seeing if that fixes it |
| 00:49.30 | I_Died_Once | how do I reset everything again? |
| 00:49.37 | blast007 | /reset * |
| 00:49.57 | I_Died_Once | the "event" is about to happen on mofo is anyone waants to join and see |
| 00:50.12 | lan56 | I'll take a look |
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| 00:51.44 | supertanker13 | yo |
| 00:52.13 | Aribeth | yo ho ho and a bottle of rum |
| 00:52.42 | supertanker13 | :) |
| 00:53.11 | supertanker13 | When you use the . or the , key, arn't you supposed to be able to use the arrows to scroll betwen names? |
| 00:53.27 | Aribeth | yep |
| 00:53.38 | supertanker13 | It doesn't on any of my Windows machines |
| 00:53.56 | Aribeth | might want to look at you key bindings |
| 00:54.24 | Aribeth | under options input settings |
| 00:54.27 | supertanker13 | Okay but first I'm going to get the linux version...I just installed Fedora Core 4 |
| 00:54.41 | supertanker13 | Okay, Thx! Cya guys later |
| 00:56.09 | blast007 | also doesn't work if they're using the keyboard for movement |
| 00:58.30 | Aribeth | ahh |
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| 00:58.43 | Aribeth | true |
| 01:08.36 | I_Died_Once | thanks Lan and blast |
| 01:08.44 | lan56 | no problem |
| 01:08.45 | lan56 | glad to help |
| 01:11.19 | brlcad | w00t w00t! |
| 01:11.51 | brlcad | and a new personal best in bench |
| 01:11.54 | brlcad | t00w |
| 01:12.08 | SilentSwan | wish i did, brlcad |
| 01:12.31 | SilentSwan | care to share? |
| 01:12.37 | brlcad | i'd love to! |
| 01:12.42 | SilentSwan | woohoo! |
| 01:12.46 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 01:13.44 | menotume | sry, i only have wine, vodka and brandy ATM |
| 01:14.04 | SilentSwan | i've given up drinking |
| 01:14.10 | SilentSwan | and smoking too |
| 01:14.15 | SilentSwan | (that stuff, anyway) |
| 01:14.15 | Aribeth | wine is good, wadka is too, but brandy? |
| 01:14.20 | menotume | hehe :) |
| 01:14.37 | menotume | ya, Chistian Brothers brandy |
| 01:14.40 | Aribeth | congrats |
| 01:14.52 | brlcad | but gin is easier on the lining |
| 01:14.52 | SilentSwan | i have a very picky friend keeping an eye on me, too, so i can't cheat :) |
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| 01:15.37 | SilentSwan | i've started to become dependent, and that is not good at all |
| 01:15.41 | Aribeth | tried gin, couldn't get used to it |
| 01:15.53 | Aribeth | nope, never good |
| 01:15.56 | SilentSwan | Legoguy, where are you from? |
| 01:16.06 | Aribeth | good for you SS |
| 01:16.11 | SilentSwan | thanks |
| 01:16.13 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: :) |
| 01:16.14 | Aribeth | :) |
| 01:16.26 | Legoguy | SilentSwan: as in, location, or how did i get into bzflag? |
| 01:16.30 | blast007 | oh, and it did it again after you left |
| 01:16.34 | SilentSwan | from as in location |
| 01:16.38 | I_Died_Once | it did what? |
| 01:16.40 | Legoguy | near chicago |
| 01:16.45 | blast007 | the "can't shoot" thing |
| 01:16.46 | SilentSwan | ah... well, so am i |
| 01:16.52 | I_Died_Once | nwell damn |
| 01:17.04 | SilentSwan | <- downers grove |
| 01:17.07 | Legoguy | gurnee |
| 01:17.27 | SilentSwan | oh, that's quite a way |
| 01:18.14 | SilentSwan | <- stuck at work again... |
| 01:20.14 | brlcad | yay for boatloads of sushi! |
| 01:20.29 | SilentSwan | http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8195&feedId=online-news_rss20 |
| 01:20.31 | SilentSwan | hah |
| 01:22.58 | Aribeth | cant have that in deep space :P |
| 01:23.36 | Aribeth | the problem is NASA will spend billions on studying it |
| 01:23.43 | Aribeth | :) |
| 01:24.07 | I_Died_Once | OK - I removed the event from PLanet MoFo until I cantest what caused the screwup |
| 01:26.13 | brlcad | I_Died_Once: I saw your note, but frankly, what you wrote is fine -- I aint got problems with you telling others what worked for you ;) |
| 01:26.27 | brlcad | I just hope that you strive to learn why it actually worked |
| 01:28.50 | brlcad | jeesh, would you tell I_Died_Once to leave me alone |
| 01:28.53 | brlcad | just kidding of course |
| 01:28.58 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:29.05 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 01:29.13 | brlcad | I_Died_Once: really .. just kidding :) |
| 01:29.18 | brlcad | i'm very "punchy" tonight |
| 01:29.23 | I_Died_Once | s'all good |
| 01:29.25 | brlcad | warnings and disclaimers about |
| 01:29.30 | brlcad | abound too |
| 01:29.46 | I_Died_Once | I'm a scorpio |
| 01:29.56 | Aribeth | ahhh haaaa |
| 01:29.58 | brlcad | Aribeth: no no.. those are way too tiny |
| 01:30.00 | brlcad | think bigger |
| 01:30.10 | Aribeth | heheheeee |
| 01:30.11 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:30.20 | I_Died_Once | if you know what youre doing, they'll swear you're HUGE every time |
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| 01:30.30 | I_Died_Once | shhh, Jeff is back |
| 01:31.13 | Aribeth | oh no, jeff is back :P |
| 01:31.23 | SilentSwan | wish this idiot cow-orker of mine would *LEAVE* |
| 01:31.39 | Aribeth | ROFL |
| 01:31.46 | JeffsBack | found an aba I can drink brlcad |
| 01:31.52 | JeffsBack | the Stone India Pale Ale |
| 01:31.53 | brlcad | SilentSwan: duck tape a fish to the underside of his desk |
| 01:31.55 | JeffsBack | fine brew |
| 01:32.12 | brlcad | ooh, I think I've had that |
| 01:32.17 | brlcad | good stuff |
| 01:32.20 | JeffsBack | then who's hand is on my ass? |
| 01:32.22 | JeffsBack | yeah |
| 01:32.22 | brlcad | pale ale's usually are |
| 01:32.27 | SilentSwan | *eek* |
| 01:32.30 | JeffsBack | the full ABA is a bit harsh for me |
| 01:33.05 | SilentSwan | too many people talking about booze... i'm afk for a bit |
| 01:33.05 | brlcad | JeffsBack: it's a bit harsh for anyone I think if they've got any tastebuds left ;) |
| 01:33.12 | brlcad | but still a good meal in a bottle |
| 01:33.30 | Aribeth | lol |
| 01:33.32 | JeffsBack | the IPA is very nice |
| 01:34.02 | Aribeth | sushi* |
| 01:34.55 | brlcad | Aribeth: ruins the textures! |
| 01:35.03 | JeffsBack | cooked sushi |
| 01:35.10 | JeffsBack | maybe in a seared ahi salad |
| 01:35.15 | Aribeth | i know, but raw fish??? |
| 01:35.24 | JeffsBack | is very good |
| 01:35.25 | Aribeth | ew |
| 01:35.33 | JeffsBack | have you had it |
| 01:35.37 | Aribeth | nope |
| 01:35.37 | JeffsBack | not from a supermarket? |
| 01:35.46 | Aribeth | never had it |
| 01:35.47 | JeffsBack | then don't knock it till you have tried it :) |
| 01:36.06 | JeffsBack | come out here one day and I can show you the good sushi |
| 01:36.24 | Aribeth | :P |
| 01:36.29 | brlcad | Aribeth: unagi? |
| 01:36.30 | JeffsBack | cooked fish is good as well |
| 01:36.42 | Aribeth | ??? |
| 01:36.44 | brlcad | i.e. cooked eel |
| 01:36.53 | Aribeth | never tried it |
| 01:36.56 | I_Died_Once | eew |
| 01:36.57 | brlcad | awwwww |
| 01:36.58 | JeffsBack | it's nasyt |
| 01:37.03 | brlcad | it's one of the best |
| 01:37.06 | brlcad | cooked |
| 01:37.09 | menotume | blackened catfish ! yum. |
| 01:37.11 | JeffsBack | don't like the sauce |
| 01:37.15 | I_Died_Once | nasty ass Vietnamese women eat fried eel |
| 01:37.19 | JeffsBack | it's all about the salmon |
| 01:37.37 | Aribeth | menotume, now that i like, blackened and cajun |
| 01:37.54 | I_Died_Once | OMG - these oriental people i deal with at work - they get duck eggs shipped in |
| 01:37.56 | brlcad | salmon is a staple |
| 01:37.58 | I_Died_Once | they eat them RAW |
| 01:38.02 | JeffsBack | what do you think it tastes like that would make you not like it? |
| 01:38.03 | brlcad | yum |
| 01:38.17 | I_Died_Once | and they're not regular eggs like we cook omlets with - no, they have partially formed embryo's in them |
| 01:38.36 | Aribeth | i just like fish blackened and cajun |
| 01:38.42 | brlcad | I_Died_Once: don't knock it until you try it |
| 01:38.47 | brlcad | should try anything at least once |
| 01:39.17 | Aribeth | now i like flounder saute'd in butter and flour |
| 01:39.19 | JeffsBack | twice if your drunk |
| 01:39.20 | brlcad | mental prejudices be the death of you, or at least a sad life |
| 01:39.22 | I_Died_Once | YOU eat a duck fetus and tell me all about it later |
| 01:39.33 | JeffsBack | flouner is not good sushi |
| 01:39.51 | JeffsBack | not all fish makes the sushi cut |
| 01:40.04 | Aribeth | never said it was :P |
| 01:40.22 | JeffsBack | what makes you think you'd not like it? |
| 01:40.26 | brlcad | I_Died_Once: I have, good stuff |
| 01:40.32 | Aribeth | duno |
| 01:40.37 | Aribeth | just don't |
| 01:40.40 | JeffsBack | it dosn't smell like bad fish |
| 01:40.44 | JeffsBack | many people think it does |
| 01:40.57 | JeffsBack | because they've only ever seen non sushi quality fish |
| 01:40.59 | JeffsBack | and it's old |
| 01:41.18 | brlcad | yeah |
| 01:41.20 | brlcad | gets a bad rap |
| 01:41.24 | Aribeth | i understand that, just dont care for it |
| 01:41.32 | brlcad | sushi quality is hard to come by otherwise |
| 01:41.34 | JeffsBack | how would you know if you never tried it :) |
| 01:41.38 | JeffsBack | and not cheap |
| 01:42.02 | Aribeth | just not into it |
| 01:42.22 | JeffsBack | 3-4 sake bombs and you'd be :) |
| 01:42.51 | Aribeth | snake bombs ?? |
| 01:43.02 | I_Died_Once | You know what they say about sex with oriental women... ??? |
| 01:43.09 | I_Died_Once | Thirty minutes later, you're horny again |
| 01:43.09 | purple_cow | Aribeth: sake is a japanese rice wine |
| 01:43.15 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 01:43.17 | I_Died_Once | sorry, couldnt resist |
| 01:43.38 | JeffsBack | you ballance them over a beer |
| 01:43.42 | JeffsBack | slam the table |
| 01:43.45 | JeffsBack | falls into the beer |
| 01:43.47 | JeffsBack | chug |
| 01:43.58 | Aribeth | ahh a depth charge |
| 01:43.59 | I_Died_Once | I'm a smoker, not a drinker |
| 01:44.00 | purple_cow | JeffsBack: that scares me |
| 01:44.12 | JeffsBack | purple_cow, why? |
| 01:44.14 | JeffsBack | it's not ba |
| 01:44.15 | JeffsBack | bad |
| 01:44.19 | I_Died_Once | I'l be the DD |
| 01:44.20 | JeffsBack | with good beer and sake |
| 01:44.22 | Aribeth | did that once with whisky and beer |
| 01:44.24 | purple_cow | dunno |
| 01:44.36 | purple_cow | some reason those other bomb-type drinks scare me |
| 01:44.45 | brlcad | mmm... sake! |
| 01:45.01 | Aribeth | i had 6 depth charges once |
| 01:45.08 | Aribeth | i was plenty smashed |
| 01:45.11 | JeffsBack | also a viable way |
| 01:45.50 | Aribeth | then i had a slo gin fiz |
| 01:46.00 | Aribeth | then a screwdriver |
| 01:46.13 | Aribeth | i dont remember finishing the screwdriver |
| 01:46.19 | I_Died_Once | all the women i meet my age are freakin alcoholics |
| 01:46.23 | Aribeth | i was out cold for 3 hours |
| 01:46.35 | orchid | the "prairie fire" is a good shooter, tequila and tabasco :-) |
| 01:46.41 | brlcad | ooo |
| 01:46.42 | Aribeth | used to be, not now |
| 01:47.01 | Aribeth | that will do the job |
| 01:47.05 | menotume | ahh, we used to call them 'hot shots' |
| 01:47.23 | Aribeth | ever tried a mexican missle? |
| 01:47.54 | Aribeth | half slo gin half tequila |
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| 01:50.51 | Aribeth | ohmy fav is a black russian |
| 01:52.00 | orchid | theyre yummy |
| 01:52.06 | Aribeth | :) |
| 01:52.14 | orchid | not that I drink :) |
| 01:52.27 | Aribeth | good for sipping |
| 01:52.44 | menotume | orchid doesn't drink any more |
| 01:52.50 | menotume | she doesn't drink any less either |
| 01:52.57 | Aribeth | lol |
| 01:53.01 | orchid | heh |
| 01:54.17 | Aribeth | Harvey wall bangers are good |
| 01:54.28 | menotume | hmm, like "slow comfortable screw against a wall" ? |
| 01:54.38 | Aribeth | ahhhh |
| 01:54.41 | menotume | yes, Harvey wallbangers ! |
| 01:55.00 | menotume | screwdriver + galliano |
| 01:55.05 | Aribeth | yep |
| 01:55.15 | menotume | i made sooo many of them in college |
| 01:55.37 | Aribeth | add southern comfort and slo gin to make "slow comfortable screw against a wall" |
| 01:55.55 | brlcad | menotume: exactly! |
| 01:56.22 | Aribeth | great party drink |
| 01:56.25 | Aribeth | :P |
| 01:56.29 | menotume | hehe |
| 01:56.55 | Aribeth | or spiked punch |
| 01:57.25 | menotume | ahhh, jungle punch (with dry ice) |
| 01:57.32 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 01:57.56 | menotume | our recipe for jungle punch : one bottle of everything we could find |
| 01:58.12 | Aribeth | na, just any booz that was around |
| 01:58.18 | Aribeth | yep |
| 01:58.24 | menotume | and a little hawiian punch |
| 01:58.29 | Aribeth | yep |
| 01:58.34 | Aribeth | same here |
| 01:58.39 | menotume | hehe |
| 01:58.55 | menotume | ahhhh, college days |
| 01:58.57 | Aribeth | it did have a punch :P |
| 02:02.24 | menotume | time to break out the brandy, and be a couch potato - l8r all |
| 02:02.28 | Aribeth | ahh when we were young |
| 02:02.36 | Aribeth | cya |
| 02:10.52 | brlcad | cheers unotmeu! |
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| 02:14.02 | Aribeth | cheers |
| 02:15.01 | brlcad | cheers! |
| 02:16.25 | Aribeth | :) |
| 02:34.50 | brlcad | oooh |
| 02:34.57 | brlcad | too.. much .. sushi .. yum .. oof |
| 02:35.08 | Aribeth | hehe |
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| 02:37.34 | cosmos | anyone else missing a makefile.in in /misc with the current cvs build |
| 02:38.03 | Aribeth | hey cosmos! |
| 02:38.07 | cosmos | hola aribeth |
| 02:38.09 | cosmos | ltns |
| 02:38.37 | cosmos | i went to build the current bzflag from cvs it bjorks in the misc folder heh |
| 02:38.50 | Aribeth | ahh, duno |
| 02:39.04 | brlcad | with a fresh checkout or an update? |
| 02:39.12 | cosmos | fresh checkout on a new machine |
| 02:39.13 | brlcad | try fresh or make distclean |
| 02:39.20 | brlcad | wierd |
| 02:39.29 | cosmos | yeah thats what i thought |
| 02:39.36 | cosmos | im going to blow it away and tray again later |
| 02:39.51 | cosmos | oh..forums...someone else got death threats from players too. lame |
| 02:41.55 | Aribeth | ya, really lame |
| 02:44.58 | I_Died_Once | Ha! |
| 02:45.03 | I_Died_Once | It was _shotSpeed |
| 02:45.24 | I_Died_Once | FOr some reason, changing the _shotSpeed made bullets go through tanks |
| 02:45.30 | cosmos | yes |
| 02:45.31 | I_Died_Once | and I only upped it by 10 |
| 02:45.34 | cosmos | it will mess up your server |
| 02:45.45 | cosmos | i had to b-slap some admins once for playing with it |
| 02:45.46 | I_Died_Once | yeah, thats what I am telling you |
| 02:45.58 | JeffsBack | if the shot is going too fast |
| 02:46.10 | JeffsBack | the update sample is not fast enough to detect a hit |
| 02:46.13 | I_Died_Once | well default is 100, i made mine 110 and it funked it all up |
| 02:46.17 | cosmos | what you really need is _tankSpeed 250 |
| 02:46.19 | JeffsBack | basicly if it moves more then a tank size per update |
| 02:46.23 | I_Died_Once | no, i dont think so |
| 02:46.26 | cosmos | or _shockOutRadius 1000 |
| 02:46.26 | blast007 | JeffsBack: no no, the bullets weren't even show up on the screen |
| 02:46.33 | I_Died_Once | I know what that does as well |
| 02:46.38 | blast007 | it was as if the server wasn't sending them |
| 02:46.38 | JeffsBack | how fast did you set it? |
| 02:46.45 | I_Died_Once | 110 |
| 02:46.45 | JeffsBack | blast007, it probalby wasn't |
| 02:46.52 | JeffsBack | we filter shots if they are too fast |
| 02:47.11 | I_Died_Once | well chaning mine to 110 effectively killed shots on my server |
| 02:47.16 | blast007 | another reason why the server should decide all that stuff... |
| 02:47.16 | I_Died_Once | thats all that was wrong, blast |
| 02:47.21 | JeffsBack | yes |
| 02:47.38 | I_Died_Once | well when I get done, my crontab is going to be bitchin |
| 02:48.16 | I_Died_Once | server side *B*L*I*N*G* *B*L*I*N*G* |
| 02:49.11 | I_Died_Once | we need a method or a script or a plugin to make the sky flash colors, or slowly fade through the specturm |
| 02:49.46 | I_Died_Once | or to make a tye-dyed sky |
| 02:49.53 | cosmos | im still working on a plugin to cause a tk'rs monitor to explode |
| 02:49.56 | I_Died_Once | like the greatful dead |
| 02:50.21 | I_Died_Once | thanks again blast - it was _shotSpeed |
| 02:50.30 | I_Died_Once | "woot" |
| 02:51.24 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.28 | I_Died_Once | I need more ideas for my event |
| 02:53.00 | I_Died_Once | I'll draw up a crontab that'll automate the start and end of matches |
| 02:53.28 | I_Died_Once | for the racetoseven as well as HTF games |
| 02:53.42 | I_Died_Once | and make the event happen as the match winds down |
| 02:53.51 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 02:53.54 | I_Died_Once | work work work |
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| 03:40.29 | Tegan | Is --enable-plugins all it takes to get the hiddenAdmin plugin functionality? |
| 03:41.46 | Tegan | or has anyone here tried it? |
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| 03:42.13 | Tegan | hey RPG_ |
| 03:42.29 | RPG_ | hi Tegan |
| 03:42.58 | Tegan | RPG_ would you know? |
| 03:43.18 | RPG_ | Well, you'd have to load that certian plugin |
| 03:43.29 | Tegan | ok thanks |
| 03:43.32 | RPG_ | i'm not 100% positive on anything I say regarding linux/mac |
| 03:43.41 | Tegan | that made sense though |
| 03:43.45 | RPG_ | but you must load the plugin, via the command "/loadplugin <path/to/plugin" |
| 03:44.02 | RPG_ | such as "/loadplugin C:\Plugins\racetoseven.so" |
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| 03:44.15 | Tegan | thanks |
| 03:44.19 | RPG_ | Or, if the plugin is in the BZFS directory, you can omit the file path, and type just the name |
| 03:44.21 | RPG_ | np |
| 03:44.40 | Tegan | I'm rereading the plugin doc now to see how I missed that |
| 03:44.47 | RPG_ | heh |
| 03:44.50 | RPG_ | Linux or mac? |
| 03:44.55 | Tegan | linux |
| 03:45.11 | RPG_ | quite frankly, plugins on linux and mac confuzzle me |
| 03:46.38 | Tegan | aha, there doesn't seem to be any note about /loadplugin anything in the plugins/doc directory. |
| 03:46.47 | Tegan | Good, thought I was just being blind again. |
| 03:47.01 | RPG_ | heh |
| 03:47.09 | RPG_ | also, you can do -loadplugin as a command line argument |
| 03:47.11 | Tegan | grep would see it |
| 03:47.14 | RPG_ | such as -loadplugin racetoseven |
| 03:48.21 | Tegan | it's not in the bzfs manpage either |
| 03:48.41 | RPG_ | i don't think those are ever updated |
| 03:48.43 | Tegan | if it isn't in a manpage it doesn't exist |
| 03:48.55 | RPG_ | -loadplugin is a valid command line option |
| 03:49.00 | RPG_ | as it /loadplugin is a valid command |
| 03:52.01 | Tegan | ok I missed the memo too, thanks again |
| 03:52.09 | RPG_ | np |
| 03:52.10 | Tegan | ~RPG_++ |
| 03:52.15 | RPG_ | horray |
| 03:52.19 | RPG_ | ~karma RPG |
| 03:52.19 | ibot | rpg has karma of 12 |
| 03:52.21 | RPG_ | ~karma RPG_ |
| 03:52.21 | ibot | rpg_ has karma of 2 |
| 03:52.26 | RPG_ | that makes it 13 |
| 03:52.28 | RPG_ | *14 |
| 03:52.47 | RPG | cool |
| 03:52.50 | RPG | usually RPG is taken |
| 03:53.03 | RPG | i bet pretty soon i'll get ghossted off |
| 04:00.17 | RPG | JeffsBack: could you make messages that the server says trigger eChatEvent? |
| 04:00.30 | RPG | for Masterbot, of cousr |
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| 04:03.11 | cosmos | config.status: error: cannot find input file: misc/Makefile.in |
| 04:03.18 | cosmos | fresh cvs update |
| 04:03.25 | cosmos | ran autogen.sh |
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| 04:04.16 | Tegan | if it helps at all, I just ran a fresh cvs and didn't have that problem (linux) |
| 04:05.30 | Tegan | anon cvs, cosmos? |
| 04:05.30 | cosmos | beats me, this is freebsd shouldnt be a big lick of difference |
| 04:05.35 | cosmos | yep |
| 04:05.37 | Tegan | yeah me too |
| 04:06.16 | Tegan | you've done this before on bsd right? |
| 04:06.16 | cosmos | brb |
| 04:06.23 | cosmos | yeah countless times |
| 04:06.27 | cosmos | and irix and solaris and... |
| 04:06.31 | Tegan | yeah |
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| 04:12.00 | RPG | 'night |
| 04:12.17 | Tegan | night RPG |
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| 04:13.30 | Tegan | ah, it's on the Forum, whodathunkit? |
| 04:15.03 | Tegan | :) |
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| 04:25.42 | Tegan | hi kahcepb[RU] |
| 04:26.08 | kahcepb[RU] | hi Tegan |
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| 04:54.14 | Tegan | Schwann |
| 04:54.17 | SilentSwan | so much for my plans this evening |
| 04:54.25 | SilentSwan | *sigh* |
| 04:54.27 | SilentSwan | hi Tegan |
| 04:56.02 | SilentSwan | blah, i'm going to bed. |
| 05:21.25 | Tegan | cool, it works |
| 05:22.46 | Tegan | on linux it works, but suddenly autogen.sh on BSD doesn't love me anymore |
| 05:26.14 | brlcad | Tegan: how dso? |
| 05:26.58 | Tegan | I don't know much about it yet, but apparently my system is lacking something, so I get a bunch of LIBTOOL warnings, and then automake fails |
| 05:27.07 | Tegan | then I get the same missing thing that cosmos had |
| 05:27.40 | brlcad | ./autogen.sh -v |
| 05:29.41 | Tegan | ok |
| 05:31.48 | Tegan | same result, will try without plugins |
| 05:31.57 | Tegan | no I'm wrong |
| 05:32.06 | Tegan | didn't get as far as with or without plugins |
| 05:32.12 | brlcad | it's going to be the same result.. it's a verbose run though to figure out what's going wrong :) |
| 05:32.30 | Tegan | right |
| 05:32.35 | brlcad | autogen.sh is separate/before plugins .. |
| 05:32.41 | Tegan | yes |
| 05:33.02 | Tegan | I realized after saying it |
| 05:33.06 | unotmeu | does --enable-plugins DO anything ? |
| 05:33.06 | brlcad | pastebin? |
| 05:33.12 | Tegan | ok |
| 05:33.18 | unotmeu | it's enabled by default, i think |
| 05:33.39 | brlcad | unotmeu: there's not a valid configure if autogen.sh fails ;) |
| 05:34.06 | unotmeu | ya |
| 05:37.25 | brlcad | Tegan: something else to check, if you have an acinclude.m4, delete it before running autogen.sh just to check (it'll restore it if it thinks it needs it) |
| 05:37.32 | Tegan | ok... http://pastebin.com/401651 |
| 05:38.13 | Tegan | aclocal.m4 only |
| 05:38.19 | unotmeu | heh, no libtoolize ? |
| 05:38.46 | Tegan | apparently |
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| 05:42.26 | unotmeu | ahh, create a symlink to libtoolize15 ? |
| 05:43.53 | brlcad | Tegan: it stopped after the ERROR: automake failed line? |
| 05:44.16 | Tegan | I just ran autogen in the previous version of bzflag directory and it works fine |
| 05:44.26 | brlcad | the libtoolize symlink shouldn't be the problem |
| 05:44.30 | Tegan | brlcad: it stopped at that point yes |
| 05:44.35 | Tegan | exit code 2 |
| 05:44.36 | brlcad | wierd |
| 05:44.44 | brlcad | it should have attempted to use the libtool.m4 |
| 05:45.03 | Tegan | it complained about the libtoolize thing before, but not those LIBTOOL errors |
| 05:45.05 | brlcad | cp misc/libtool.m4 acinclude.m4 and autogen.sh again |
| 05:45.15 | Tegan | ok |
| 05:47.11 | Tegan | ok that seems to have helped |
| 05:48.27 | brlcad | yep |
| 05:49.36 | brlcad | freebsdism for the most part |
| 05:50.37 | Tegan | guess I should look into it someday |
| 05:50.52 | brlcad | ports has updated to libtool 1.9, which gets rid of AC_PROG_LIBTOOL which halts the prep |
| 05:51.30 | brlcad | the libtool.m4 file in misc includes the AC_PROG_LIBTOOL so just moving that into place makes everyone happy |
| 05:52.09 | brlcad | why the gnu build system folks can't put a decent deprecation/obsolecence system in place is beyond me |
| 05:52.14 | Tegan | cosmos does that make you happy too? |
| 05:52.54 | brlcad | autogen.sh is supposed to copy the file for you and restart automatically .. but for whatever reason it decided it was stuck |
| 05:53.11 | brlcad | perhaps related to the previous errors on sudo or something else, I don't know .. have to look at it |
| 05:53.38 | brlcad | picks it up automatically for me ;) |
| 05:55.40 | unotmeu | here's the meno stupid question of the day ... |
| 05:55.51 | unotmeu | just what does libtool do anyway ? |
| 05:56.05 | unotmeu | and why is it so complex ? |
| 05:56.59 | brlcad | it's so complex because it has to deal with one of the most complex aspects of cross-platform complication, linking stuff into objects, libraries, apps, etc |
| 05:57.32 | brlcad | and that's what it does.. provides the logic for consistent cross-platform linking |
| 05:57.57 | unotmeu | hmmm, one would think that a SIMPLE script (one for each platform) could be used |
| 05:58.00 | brlcad | making a shared library on linux vs aix vs windows vs mac vs hpux vs ... etc |
| 05:58.08 | unotmeu | right |
| 05:58.56 | unotmeu | ie: makelib -shared <list of objs> <same of lib> |
| 05:59.01 | unotmeu | same syntac for all |
| 05:59.09 | unotmeu | syntax |
| 05:59.30 | unotmeu | oversimplifying, i'm sure |
| 05:59.34 | brlcad | not quite that simple ;) |
| 05:59.49 | Tegan | especially at 2am |
| 06:00.24 | unotmeu | well, at some point, there has to be a common set of functionality that can be done on eacj platform |
| 06:00.38 | brlcad | some platforms require suffix, some require prefix, some allow version numbers either in the middle or at the end, so even the naming isn't quite as clean as one would hope |
| 06:01.08 | brlcad | not to mention differences between compilers, not everyone uses gcc ;) |
| 06:01.16 | Tegan | *gasp* |
| 06:01.18 | unotmeu | well, 'makelib' would know abut prefix, and suffix |
| 06:01.29 | unotmeu | 'makelib' would know what to invoke |
| 06:01.36 | brlcad | sure, and it does .. 'makelib' is called 'libtool' |
| 06:01.58 | brlcad | and the syntax is very close to what you gave |
| 06:02.03 | unotmeu | in other words, instead of 'libtool' figuring out what to do on every link ... libtool makes the SIMPLE makelib |
| 06:02.05 | unotmeu | once |
| 06:02.26 | unotmeu | or, a system configuration, or even a distro would have it |
| 06:02.42 | unotmeu | of course, no one would agree on a 'standard' for the script |
| 06:02.51 | brlcad | that's not exactly a performance bottleneck |
| 06:03.05 | unotmeu | no, it's a PITA bottleneck |
| 06:03.06 | brlcad | the script may be long, but they are massive if and case blocks |
| 06:03.21 | brlcad | what's the pain though really? |
| 06:03.24 | unotmeu | and, yo can't mix sattic and shared easily |
| 06:03.50 | unotmeu | libtoolize / libtool / ltmain / ltconfig / etc, etc. |
| 06:04.05 | unotmeu | a simple uniform interface ... |
| 06:04.16 | unotmeu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.40 | unotmeu | you want static? say -static i/o shared |
| 06:04.49 | unotmeu | what is 'makelib' on most systems ? |
| 06:04.52 | brlcad | heh, the tools are broken out for the similar reason of why you want it broken out even more to make a makelib :) |
| 06:04.54 | unotmeu | a 1 liner ? |
| 06:05.46 | unotmeu | ok, just not the way I would go about things, i guess |
| 06:05.56 | purple_cow | another consideration is that if the buildsystem does something unusual, it will make life quite a bit harder for packagers |
| 06:05.57 | unotmeu | but then, i am stuck in a linux world |
| 06:06.09 | brlcad | it's not great, I'll give you that -- there are better things out there, but they all have their limitations |
| 06:06.30 | unotmeu | purple_cow: i was thinking it would be a LOT easier for packagers |
| 06:07.03 | unotmeu | ie: there is no libtool, ac_this and ac_that |
| 06:07.17 | purple_cow | generally, packagers know the ins and outs of the standard autotools way of doing things. if there's a strange step, they have to learn how it works before they can package it |
| 06:07.21 | unotmeu | nothing to be done in autogen, for each project |
| 06:08.04 | brlcad | unotmeu: strictly following the autotools philosophy, autogen.sh is completely unnecessary |
| 06:08.24 | unotmeu | ok,ok i mean configure too |
| 06:08.34 | brlcad | you force all your developers to install exactly the same version of the gnu build system tools |
| 06:08.38 | unotmeu | ie: there is ONE 'makelib' on a system |
| 06:08.53 | unotmeu | it's input parameters is the same on each system |
| 06:09.26 | brlcad | okay, so far that's libtool |
| 06:09.32 | unotmeu | no no |
| 06:10.04 | brlcad | there is one libtool script that knows how to build on this system |
| 06:10.45 | brlcad | i vaguely recall instructions on even installing that system-wide i believe |
| 06:11.03 | unotmeu | what script is that ? |
| 06:11.13 | brlcad | libtool |
| 06:12.27 | brlcad | it includes more systems in the script in alternate case/if blocks for the same reason configure does this, so the script can be shipped with distributions and just work |
| 06:12.31 | unotmeu | it's 222000 bytes ! |
| 06:12.52 | unotmeu | but, it doesn't always 'just work' :) |
| 06:13.06 | unotmeu | what i propose means nothing to ship with distros |
| 06:13.09 | brlcad | otherwise what? require everyone that downloads the source install some build tool along with their compiler suite? |
| 06:13.19 | unotmeu | arg, no |
| 06:13.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (15 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 06:13.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - made the flags more sensitive to aerodynamics in experimental mode |
| 06:13.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: (ain't no vertex shader, definitely stiff around the collar) |
| 06:13.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - added wind for the flags (with a really stupid pattern) |
| 06:13.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - OpenGLGState now takes a straight float[16] matrix instead of a |
| 06:13.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: TextureMatrix identifier (faster and more flexible) |
| 06:13.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - added the 'f2bsort' front-to-back sorting for the octree |
| 06:14.08 | unotmeu | a system has one script .... makelib -shared <list of objs> <name of lib> <versionnum> <whatever> |
| 06:14.22 | unotmeu | makefiles, whatever use that script |
| 06:14.32 | brlcad | where is it supposed to get that script from? |
| 06:14.37 | unotmeu | projects assume that the script exists and works as advertized |
| 06:14.42 | unotmeu | ahha |
| 06:14.50 | unotmeu | where does it get autotools from ? |
| 06:14.59 | brlcad | external users don't |
| 06:15.04 | unotmeu | you get them for your system |
| 06:15.06 | brlcad | only internal devs do |
| 06:15.23 | unotmeu | ok, ok, where do you get your compiler from > |
| 06:15.25 | unotmeu | ? |
| 06:15.43 | brlcad | when we push out a source tarball, they don't have to have anything but a shell and functioning compiler |
| 06:16.06 | unotmeu | i'm just talking about a layer on top of ar, or whatever linker your system uses, to make things 'standard' |
| 06:16.30 | brlcad | so now you're proposing to convince gnu, ibm, hp, sgi, ... to all include this tool in their compiler suite? :) |
| 06:16.46 | purple_cow | and backport it to all the previous versions of their OSes? |
| 06:16.48 | brlcad | even things like 'ar' aren't exactly standard |
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| 06:16.59 | unotmeu | right, they aren't |
| 06:17.05 | Tegan | ar mateys! |
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| 06:17.26 | unotmeu | so, you have a make-makelib |
| 06:17.49 | unotmeu | just everyone has to get this lib or that devpackage at least once |
| 06:17.53 | brlcad | which generates a 222000 byte shell script :) |
| 06:18.05 | unotmeu | NO ! |
| 06:18.14 | unotmeu | it generates a one-liner in some cases |
| 06:18.19 | brlcad | otherwise you're forcing them all to "go get something" |
| 06:18.32 | unotmeu | it doesn't need to generate a script that works for every system, just your system |
| 06:18.57 | unotmeu | so what ? |
| 06:19.03 | unotmeu | you want bzflag? |
| 06:19.09 | purple_cow | wait, what was the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 06:19.12 | unotmeu | go get libsdl, libcurl, etc. |
| 06:19.22 | unotmeu | something simple !! |
| 06:19.50 | unotmeu | and more flexible, even though it is simpler |
| 06:19.51 | brlcad | unotmeu: it's only recently that we've required people to even "go get" those .. and even that is avoidable |
| 06:20.11 | unotmeu | ie: libtool |
| 06:20.16 | brlcad | libtool is pretty simple, i'd say far simpler than that particular alternative |
| 06:20.24 | unotmeu | libtool is restrictive, requires a freakin degree to understand it |
| 06:20.26 | brlcad | the only system really better is probably scons |
| 06:20.36 | brlcad | and it's limited by python and familiarity |
| 06:20.41 | unotmeu | oh my |
| 06:20.44 | purple_cow | scons lacks a lot of targets right now |
| 06:21.15 | purple_cow | so unless you're using it for C or C++, you'll probably have to write some code |
| 06:21.38 | Tegan | mmmm scones |
| 06:21.45 | unotmeu | libtool requires everything goes in .libs dir, makes scripts to replace your executables, etc. |
| 06:21.46 | brlcad | hrm, i thought they were farther along than that |
| 06:21.56 | unotmeu | oh, nvm |
| 06:22.09 | brlcad | unotmeu: that's all for very important cross-platform building reasons |
| 06:22.11 | purple_cow | brlcad: yeah, i'm just being a bit hyperbole |
| 06:22.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/geometry/FlagSceneNode.cxx: only if required |
| 06:22.53 | brlcad | unotmeu: there are systems where the binary i just built in dir X will actually not run until I install it |
| 06:22.58 | brlcad | the script makes it work |
| 06:23.12 | brlcad | similar issues with relocation and usage of libraries |
| 06:23.18 | unotmeu | i guess what i'm getting at is ... why does each platform have to be so different, why can't there be some kind of standard 'API' |
| 06:23.45 | unotmeu | they can do whatever they want internally, but why does a process a cimple as making a library have to be so sonvuluted |
| 06:23.56 | brlcad | because you can never get everyone to agree on one way of doing something, there's always someone complaining about something ;) |
| 06:24.03 | unotmeu | yes |
| 06:24.21 | brlcad | not to be obvious, but they are different platforms because they are different ;) |
| 06:24.37 | unotmeu | but, when it comes down to it, libtool must have some common set of functionalities ... |
| 06:24.47 | brlcad | it does |
| 06:24.48 | unotmeu | otherwise a project couldn't be made cross-platform |
| 06:25.02 | brlcad | and when you put the core minimum together, you end up with .. oh, about 220k ;) |
| 06:25.09 | unotmeu | i was just proposing butting that common set at another level |
| 06:25.24 | unotmeu | when it is done there, yes |
| 06:26.41 | brlcad | the unfortunate reality is that the only commonality in systems is a shell, and not even a consist one with even vaguely consistent tools, much less compilation facilities and consistent run-time behavior |
| 06:26.46 | unotmeu | case in point: why is it so hard for us to get static libs in the main project, but dynamic in the plugins ? |
| 06:27.03 | unotmeu | yes, but 'makelib' is that common set |
| 06:27.04 | brlcad | unotmeu: because there was someone complaining about it compiling twice |
| 06:27.24 | brlcad | which is required strictly speaking for proper full cross-platform support |
| 06:27.25 | unotmeu | i understand why you changes the libs to static, and i agree |
| 06:27.38 | brlcad | it's not compiling twice for the heck of it ;) |
| 06:27.57 | unotmeu | but, with 'makelib' you don't have to run thru all those circles |
| 06:28.07 | unotmeu | yes, i know |
| 06:28.09 | unotmeu | -pic |
| 06:28.48 | purple_cow | unotmeu: you should look at scons :P |
| 06:28.58 | unotmeu | no thx |
| 06:29.08 | unotmeu | i think it's all the wrong approach |
| 06:29.10 | unotmeu | :) |
| 06:29.14 | brlcad | heh, it's closer to what you're thinking |
| 06:29.20 | brlcad | scons is a completely different approach |
| 06:30.01 | unotmeu | doesn't matter, they'll end up overcomplicating it, 'they' always do :) |
| 06:30.22 | brlcad | effectively "write a program in python to build your program" requiring nothing but python but fortunately using a convenient "build stuff" python api |
| 06:31.36 | unotmeu | i c |
| 06:33.30 | unotmeu | a bit closer to ideal |
| 06:33.58 | brlcad | which is akin to replacing m4 with the python api and replacing sh with python, similar moderately familiar setup otherwise |
| 06:35.36 | brlcad | s/m4/the m4 macros/ |
| 06:35.46 | unotmeu | okies, bedtime for this old man |
| 06:35.56 | unotmeu | right-o, whatever m4 is |
| 06:36.05 | unotmeu | another piece of the complex puzzle :) |
| 06:36.07 | brlcad | :) it's the foundation of autoconf ;) |
| 06:36.19 | brlcad | standard macro processor |
| 06:37.20 | brlcad | that's quickly a pita for cross-platform projects |
| 06:37.25 | unotmeu | one system only, of course :) |
| 06:37.29 | brlcad | yeah |
| 06:37.54 | brlcad | still best for small local stuff |
| 06:38.04 | unotmeu | yes |
| 06:39.02 | unotmeu | g'nite all , thx for the chat, and for giving Tupola something to read when he comes back :P |
| 06:39.18 | Tegan | night unotmeu |
| 06:40.51 | Tegan | ~brlcad++ |
| 06:43.02 | brlcad | :) |
| 06:43.07 | brlcad | poor tupola .. ;) |
| 06:44.33 | purple_cow | *shrug* |
| 06:44.41 | purple_cow | that's a battle that everyone has to fight sometime or another |
| 06:45.01 | brlcad | what? when to jump ship to scons? :) |
| 06:45.14 | purple_cow | i've yet to see a programmer who didn't encounter autotools/libtool/etc and say "why can't we replace this mess with something simple and easy to use?" |
| 06:45.36 | purple_cow | and then eventually give up and realize that there are good reasons for the status quo, and that it's virtually impossible to replace them universally |
| 06:45.44 | brlcad | yeah |
| 06:50.03 | brlcad | at least until the day that all the really old systems are dead, the corporations have all bought each other out and become part of the googleverse, and there exists at least one tool other than sh on everyone's system |
| 06:52.53 | JeffsBack | there we go, quake 4 all done |
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| 06:55.08 | brlcad | called a looking glass to some |
| 06:56.34 | brlcad | shatters? |
| 06:58.51 | purple_cow | i'm doing the senior project thing, and our particular project is sponsored by the looking glass people at sun |
| 06:59.00 | brlcad | ahh, heh |
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| 07:59.28 | [BrianH] | looking for players on server 12.221.113.241 |
| 07:59.54 | jpa- | ~bzfquery 12.221.113.241 |
| 08:00.17 | jpa- | haha, you lose :) |
| 08:00.21 | teh_conquerer | make sure to piss off guru while youre there :-P |
| 08:00.37 | [BrianH] | yeah |
| 08:00.39 | [BrianH] | I suck |
| 08:00.42 | [BrianH] | guru is good |
| 08:00.55 | teh_conquerer | hes also hosting the server :-D |
| 08:00.58 | [BrianH] | he's been wopping everyone for a while now |
| 08:01.07 | teh_conquerer | DoD: source time!!1111 |
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| 10:55.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (19 files): - include + static |
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| 12:36.47 | ToughShooter | menotume: ping |
| 12:36.54 | menotume | pongo |
| 12:37.23 | Tupone | menotume: you missed an m |
| 12:37.49 | menotume | ? |
| 12:38.00 | menotume | u-not-me-u ? |
| 12:38.02 | Tupone | and you got one u instead of an e :) |
| 12:38.20 | Tupone | eek :) |
| 12:38.29 | menotume | hehe ... me-not-u-me .... u-not-me-u :D |
| 12:38.43 | Tupone | I just though it was an anagram :) |
| 12:39.49 | Tupone | menotume: still able to compile after my hundred of unuseful commit ? |
| 12:40.45 | menotume | ohhh, you did the static thingy ? |
| 12:40.55 | Tupone | well, just some :) |
| 12:41.05 | menotume | ahhh, i will try shortly |
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| 13:00.04 | menotume | Tupone: but, why don't we make the person who broke it, fix it ? :D |
| 13:00.26 | Tupone | what is broken ? |
| 13:00.35 | Tupone | all bzflag ? |
| 13:02.02 | menotume | no no, nothing broken |
| 13:02.14 | menotume | it's just that plugins won't build bu default |
| 13:02.23 | Tupone | ohh great :) |
| 13:02.26 | menotume | you have to './configure --enable-shared' to get plugins |
| 13:04.11 | Tupone | menotume: well, I don't think waht I'm doing will fix that. Just reduce the number of things exported |
| 13:04.44 | menotume | ohhhh, THAT static :) |
| 13:04.51 | menotume | sorry :) |
| 13:04.54 | Tupone | lol |
| 13:04.58 | menotume | i thught you meant static libs |
| 13:05.12 | menotume | building now |
| 13:07.56 | Tupone | no compilation problem ? |
| 13:08.38 | menotume | not yet |
| 13:10.57 | menotume | just a warning so far ... playing.cxx:4214: warning: 'oldestTime' might be used uninitialized in this function |
| 13:11.15 | Tupone | what compiler? |
| 13:11.28 | menotume | ahh, there are othe simlar warnings |
| 13:11.42 | menotume | gcc (GCC) 3.4.3 |
| 13:11.59 | Tupone | hmm, compiled with --disable-debug ? |
| 13:12.07 | menotume | nope |
| 13:12.13 | Tupone | and how? |
| 13:12.17 | menotume | just ./configure (no options) |
| 13:12.27 | Tupone | so is like --disable-debug :) |
| 13:12.44 | menotume | ok, yes, i guess so :) |
| 13:13.04 | Tupone | can you check if the warning is real or just a fake one |
| 13:13.21 | menotume | huh ? |
| 13:13.29 | Tupone | well, look at the code :) |
| 13:13.38 | Tupone | use the source luke |
| 13:13.45 | menotume | pfffff |
| 13:15.35 | menotume | lokos real to me |
| 13:19.46 | menotume | Tupone: build completed, but i don't know how many warnings there were |
| 13:20.01 | Tupone | hmm :/ |
| 13:20.59 | menotume | shall i make again, and get a list ? |
| 13:21.10 | Tupone | well, that will be helpfull |
| 13:21.36 | Tupone | make 2>&1 > list4tup |
| 13:22.03 | menotume | yep |
| 13:25.32 | jpa- | is +-25ms jitter bad? |
| 13:25.41 | Tupone | very bad |
| 13:25.56 | jpa- | lag is just 45ms though |
| 13:25.57 | Tupone | p2p ? |
| 13:26.11 | jpa- | yes, i'm testing packet prioritizing in kernel |
| 13:26.22 | jpa- | while upstream is nearly saturated |
| 13:26.50 | Tupone | jpa, you have to drop tcp packet randomly to avoid daturation |
| 13:27.00 | Tupone | saturation |
| 13:27.28 | jpa- | hmm, i'm following this http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Packet_Shaping |
| 13:27.47 | Chestal | I am using HTB |
| 13:27.56 | Chestal | to shape upstream only |
| 13:28.25 | Chestal | it's much better than without any shaping, but there#s only so much you can achieve in my experience |
| 13:28.36 | Chestal | but you can fiddle with it for months :-) |
| 13:28.57 | jpa- | yes, it is way better than without :) |
| 13:29.01 | Tupone | You have to limit tcp in :/, and that you can do only dropping, or delay tcp answer |
| 13:29.28 | jpa- | normally i would get 300ms lag to that server with just 50% of maximum upstream |
| 13:29.44 | jpa- | umm no, it is not the downstream that is saturating |
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| 13:31.18 | jpa- | should i somehow prioritize bzflag's TCP packets too, or is lagless UDP enough? |
| 13:31.44 | Tupone | UDP is enough IMHO |
| 13:36.03 | menotume | Tupone: 2>&1 gets all excpet the warnings :) |
| 13:36.13 | Tupone | lol |
| 13:36.26 | Chestal | I put all of bzflag packets into my ssh/bzflag class |
| 13:36.28 | Tupone | well, I can manage to get those by myself |
| 13:37.28 | menotume | http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/list4tup |
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| 13:51.34 | Grumbler | there are days i read the forums, and I am glad I am not jeff |
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| 15:24.53 | Tupone | menotume: ? |
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| 15:38.11 | Grumbler | Roaming.cxx:87: warning: `int j' might be used uninitialized in this function |
| 15:38.18 | Grumbler | SegmentedShotStrategy.cxx:493: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported |
| 15:38.30 | Grumbler | i am going to do a full clean compile see if anything changes |
| 15:46.06 | blast007 | Grumbler: yup, there are some more that menotume found too ( http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/list4tup ) |
| 15:46.41 | Tupone | hmm flags are very strange :/ |
| 15:47.51 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I'm pretty sure you caused BZFlag to crash on Mac OS X: http://pastebin.com/401968 |
| 15:48.17 | ToughShooter | It ran without problems with anon checkout from 7 hours ago |
| 15:50.46 | ToughShooter | as I already had the flag changes in the build |
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| 15:52.09 | Tupone | I did commit in chunks. Do you know when I did that ? |
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| 15:54.39 | ToughShooter | I think it was the "include + static" commit, but I'm doing a fresh recompile with standard compiler options now to make sure it's not just coincidence |
| 15:55.11 | Tupone | ok. I can revert those :/ |
| 15:57.13 | Tupone | if you know what fails |
| 15:57.50 | ToughShooter | It crashed somewhere very low in starting process |
| 15:58.01 | _Manu_ | no crash for me :/ |
| 15:58.36 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: You don't have equal processes to start BZFlag ;) |
| 15:58.56 | _Manu_ | sure |
| 15:59.09 | ToughShooter | It's somewhere in general app launching code |
| 15:59.41 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, what I know is your server always hangs ;-p |
| 15:59.48 | _Manu_ | mean your client.. |
| 16:00.44 | ToughShooter | Well, it didn't hang, it never came up |
| 16:01.20 | _Manu_ | heh :) |
| 16:01.29 | _Manu_ | errrr... :( |
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| 16:18.37 | ToughShooter | Full recompiled copy crashes, too |
| 16:21.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (SegmentedShotStrategy.cxx ShotPath.cxx World.cxx bzflag.cxx): put back needed include |
| 16:21.34 | ToughShooter | gdb output: http://pastebin.com/402003 |
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| 17:01.57 | Tupone | ToughShooter: can you go back one commit at time to the cvs status where your system work. |
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| 17:11.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/autogen.sh: bring in updates from cad, search for libtoolize14, make sure that we can pinpoint the alternate libtoolize's location via which/dirname in order to print instructions correctly. fix typo on glti |
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| 17:16.30 | supertanker13 | Hey how do I compile BZFlag on Fedora Core 4? It won't even let me do the 'sh autoconfig.sh' or whatever it is |
| 17:16.51 | RPG_ | supertanker13: come to #masterbot |
| 17:16.52 | brlcad | from a source distribution or from a cvs checkout? |
| 17:17.51 | RPG_ | supertanker13: Go into the directory that the BZFS source is in, and right cilck, and choose "actions", and choose "Open Terminal Here" |
| 17:17.55 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Yes but I don't know an easy way how to revert individual files |
| 17:18.00 | supertanker13 | Source distro (Just a min RPG) |
| 17:18.31 | supertanker13 | I already have the terminal open. |
| 17:18.42 | RPG_ | type ./configure |
| 17:19.03 | supertanker13 | Crap thats probably why |
| 17:19.09 | supertanker13 | I'm trying to use the files on my old HD |
| 17:19.15 | supertanker13 | and its read-only |
| 17:19.33 | supertanker13 | Okay I have to go dl the new source then. |
| 17:19.38 | trepan | ToughShooter: cvs up -r<rev> file |
| 17:19.43 | trepan | but that would be painful |
| 17:19.44 | supertanker13 | cya |
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| 17:21.10 | ToughShooter | trepan: Painful in case some changes have to happen at same time to work or is there something else I miss? |
| 17:21.22 | trepan | it'd be better to update to a date, cvs up -D <date> (and do it for the whole tree) |
| 17:24.37 | trepan | http://web.mit.edu/macdev/Development/Documentation/www/CVS%20Documentation/Working%20with%20CVS.html#Date_specifications |
| 17:25.33 | trepan | heh, "a fortnight ago" |
| 17:27.55 | ToughShooter | I'll do this first: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag checkout -D "22 Oct 2005 10:50" -P bzflag |
| 17:29.05 | Grumbler | brlcad the accesscontrollist warnings are very old |
| 17:29.25 | brlcad | Grumbler: I know not of this madness you speak of |
| 17:30.05 | Grumbler | i have seen those at least since the discussion on shadows with 2.0.0 |
| 17:30.19 | Grumbler | i was instructed to ignore them |
| 17:30.22 | brlcad | no really, I don't know what you're talking about |
| 17:30.26 | brlcad | a little reference please :) |
| 17:30.40 | Grumbler | whoops, not you |
| 17:30.58 | brlcad | ahh, that would make more sense then :) |
| 17:31.01 | Grumbler | blast007, you confuser of autocompeletes......see above |
| 17:32.07 | Grumbler | ...but cvs is a little funky now......i might actually have to work at getting it to compile :) |
| 17:32.30 | trepan | Grumbler: i know of that which you speak, it only happens in non-DEBUG mode iirc |
| 17:32.56 | Grumbler | well, easy way to check that..... |
| 17:33.18 | ToughShooter | there are lots of warnings on macs with gcc-4 |
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| 17:33.40 | trepan | (that may also be system dependant) |
| 17:34.14 | ToughShooter | last time I have looked at them, I had the impression 20% of output would be warnings |
| 17:35.35 | ToughShooter | I've tried days to get bzflag building on my lappy, too |
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| 17:37.18 | ToughShooter | It somehow hates SDL, apps compile where not able to run, but SDL is installed was the nice reason from configure |
| 17:37.41 | ToughShooter | Finally I gave up. :/ |
| 17:40.53 | Tupone | what ? |
| 17:43.52 | Tupone | ToughShooter: well, I was playing, did not get it :( |
| 17:46.02 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I'm now trying to make sure http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag/.message/6125450 is not the reason for crash |
| 17:46.18 | ToughShooter | then I want to update individual files until it crashes again |
| 17:47.03 | Tupone | Well, I meant you go with the same step I did, like unchecking out just before the time I committed, 'cause I did in bunch |
| 17:47.48 | Tupone | well, that is a good starting point |
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| 17:48.03 | Tupone | you can update with -D |
| 17:48.18 | Tupone | not really do one-by-one |
| 17:48.54 | ToughShooter | Tupone: If you scroll back you'll see trepan told me that, too |
| 17:49.14 | Tupone | ahh ok |
| 17:51.28 | ToughShooter | I can confirm now that it was http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag/.message/6128405 |
| 17:52.02 | ToughShooter | Tupone: What are you suggesting to do then instead of trying to update individual files? |
| 17:52.28 | brlcad | update using a date, the -D option |
| 17:52.37 | brlcad | cvs -q update -D "10 hours ago" for example |
| 17:53.07 | Tupone | lemme see what .. you have the same time has mine ? |
| 17:53.25 | brlcad | keep going back in time until you find one that works, narrow it down to the exact commit that stopped working |
| 17:53.28 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Where's the difference to the method I posted above? ;) |
| 17:53.50 | Tupone | posted where ? |
| 17:54.01 | ToughShooter | I have lag (as I use anon cvs) |
| 17:54.21 | brlcad | the -D will still work |
| 17:54.32 | ToughShooter | Should I re-quote that line? :o |
| 17:54.40 | brlcad | the checkout line? |
| 17:54.49 | ToughShooter | yeah |
| 17:54.52 | brlcad | it's faster to update that the keep checking out |
| 17:55.04 | brlcad | you can update an existing checkout |
| 17:55.40 | brlcad | just do a "make distclean" or at least a "make clean" after every update |
| 17:55.41 | ToughShooter | It updates |
| 17:55.50 | brlcad | er, before updating |
| 17:56.14 | Tupone | no need to make clean :/ at least I don't |
| 17:56.45 | ToughShooter | Well, I do as I'm paranoid |
| 17:57.06 | ToughShooter | At least it helped zongo :) |
| 17:57.14 | brlcad | if the tools are okay on your system you don't need to, but some don't do the .deps right sometimes |
| 17:58.05 | trepan | brlcad: that -window problem always existed? |
| 17:58.14 | brlcad | Tupone: that's cause you're a dev and understand what's going on or at least how it should be behaving.. ;) others, just to be safe/consistent |
| 17:58.54 | brlcad | trepan: no, only since the way I shoehorned in an SDLMain run-loop for 2.0 |
| 18:00.10 | trepan | put a warning on the option? |
| 18:00.14 | brlcad | it's not a code problem, it's an SDLmain issue just on Macs related to how SDLmain plays with the Cocoa run loop |
| 18:01.16 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Do you get crashes when switching windowing modes while playing, too? I've looked a bit into it and it seems to crash when the 4th bzflag window opens |
| 18:01.17 | brlcad | one could, but it's not much extra work to just fix it too .. just wanted to make a note of it _somewhere_ in case someone noticed |
| 18:01.37 | brlcad | you generally don't run it on the command line from a Mac distro so I'm not too worried |
| 18:02.18 | brlcad | ToughShooter: I haven't attempted to change modes |
| 18:02.30 | brlcad | unless you mean from full-screen to window? |
| 18:02.36 | ToughShooter | Yeah and back |
| 18:02.47 | brlcad | nah, no problems there for me |
| 18:02.53 | brlcad | I do that regularly |
| 18:02.56 | ToughShooter | done twice while being connected to a game server crashes for me |
| 18:03.13 | ToughShooter | but no crash when not connected to a server |
| 18:03.20 | brlcad | wierd |
| 18:03.22 | brlcad | got a trace? |
| 18:03.26 | ToughShooter | somewhere inside libsdl |
| 18:03.49 | ToughShooter | The error is different when using the SDL framework |
| 18:04.02 | brlcad | ah, you've built your own |
| 18:04.11 | brlcad | do you see that problem on the 2.0.4 binary? |
| 18:04.15 | ToughShooter | Yes |
| 18:06.33 | ToughShooter | but it wasn't in 2.0.2 |
| 18:06.49 | brlcad | different version of SDL |
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| 18:08.35 | Grumbler | trepan, yeah, with debug no compile issues |
| 18:09.52 | ToughShooter | brlcad: What SDL-version does BZFlag 2.0.2 use? |
| 18:10.38 | brlcad | ToughShooter: I don't recall, would have to download it and look in the Frameworks dir |
| 18:11.52 | ToughShooter | I looked inside and it sayed 1.2.8 |
| 18:12.16 | brlcad | and 2.0.4? |
| 18:12.37 | ToughShooter | my own builds which have been build using source of SDL 1.2.8 have crashed, too |
| 18:12.48 | ToughShooter | but not before 2.0.2 |
| 18:13.46 | brlcad | without more information, that's unfortunately just an interesting coincidence -- need full debug stack traces, better yet reproducibility and a gdb session |
| 18:14.03 | ToughShooter | Well, BZFlag 2.0.4 has 1.2.8 in info.plist inside SDL.framework, too |
| 18:15.57 | brlcad | so it's likely nothing related to sdl then if they are indeed the same versions |
| 18:16.06 | brlcad | even if it's crashing deep inside sdl |
| 18:16.30 | Tupone | ToughShooter: are you testing with : cvs update -D "22-oct-2005 8:25" or near |
| 18:17.35 | ToughShooter | Tupone: http://pastebin.com/402130 |
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| 18:19.08 | Tupone | what is yours? localtime or UTC ? |
| 18:19.22 | ToughShooter | localtime, IIRC |
| 18:20.17 | ToughShooter | tupone: there is also lag from anon cvs |
| 18:20.52 | Tupone | ahh :( well, I suppose the file are backed up, so no change on the log |
| 18:21.54 | ToughShooter | the second update had changed no files |
| 18:22.02 | ToughShooter | that's why it still worked |
| 18:22.19 | ToughShooter | 3rd one has delivered your change |
| 18:27.56 | *** join/#bzflag Meteorite (n=Meteorit@69.111.244.110) |
| 18:28.03 | Meteorite | hi all |
| 18:29.24 | blast007 | hi Meteorite |
| 18:29.46 | Meteorite | hey |
| 18:32.59 | ToughShooter | Tupone: What to do now? |
| 18:33.00 | Meteorite | *zoooooom* |
| 18:33.09 | Tupone | I'm reverting changes |
| 18:33.10 | Meteorite | *headed towards Earth* |
| 18:33.23 | Tupone | I still think is an heisenbug :/ |
| 18:33.51 | ToughShooter | it happens inside my gdb, too |
| 18:34.18 | ToughShooter | but it crashes even before the app is launched |
| 18:37.55 | *** part/#bzflag Meteorite (n=Meteorit@69.111.244.110) |
| 18:45.54 | *** join/#bzflag Molez (n=acd6911c@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:50.23 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Looks like I can't reproduce when bzflag runs within gdb |
| 18:50.32 | *** join/#bzflag yummy (n=yummy@82.253.220.130) |
| 18:50.57 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust130.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:52.07 | I_Died_Once | Hi TwinkleToes |
| 18:52.22 | CBG | Hey sweetypie |
| 18:52.29 | Tupone | ToughShooter: have you tried with SDL-1.2.9 |
| 18:53.53 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.06 | Tupone | dunno if that is appropriate |
| 18:55.57 | *** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (n=jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:57.00 | CBG | I propose a fast-scroll for the chat window, where it jumps up (or down) a page size at a time when using a different key-combo. |
| 18:57.46 | I_Died_Once | You know - now ther is SOOO much you can do with a server, the hardest part is just coming up with ideas as to how to use everything at your disposal |
| 18:58.13 | CBG | thats nice. :) |
| 18:58.35 | CBG | But, as a user, the interface stillhas some to be desired... |
| 18:59.05 | I_Died_Once | you can make custom powerups now with the new powerup plugin |
| 18:59.19 | CBG | you can do anything with plugins |
| 18:59.33 | I_Died_Once | I think everyone else is missing out |
| 18:59.47 | CBG | be back later.... |
| 18:59.50 | yummy | i have a huge lag Pb on bzflag with osx ... don't know if it's bz related or from my isp .. what tools i can use to investigate (can't have ethereal to work) |
| 19:00.02 | Tupone | ping |
| 19:00.15 | Tupone | and tracepath |
| 19:00.24 | yummy | ping is fine ... but lagstats shows huge values |
| 19:00.46 | jpa- | on multiple servers? |
| 19:00.55 | yummy | yep |
| 19:00.57 | jpa- | and you are comparing to the ping to the server in question, right? |
| 19:01.06 | Tupone | yummy: no file sharing ? |
| 19:01.14 | yummy | i can't play anymore .. i'm kicked all the time |
| 19:01.27 | brlcad | ToughShooter: try 1.2.9 |
| 19:01.43 | yummy | ping running in parallel of playing bz ... ping fine ... while i have lag warns |
| 19:01.58 | Tupone | yummy: what hardware? |
| 19:02.00 | jpa- | yummy: try to kill all traffic on your internet connection first, like p2p, downloads |
| 19:02.03 | yummy | no file sharing .... only adium and xchat running |
| 19:02.10 | Tupone | brlcad: I said it before :) |
| 19:02.25 | yummy | nothing else running than bz , xchat and adium |
| 19:02.35 | jpa- | what is adium? |
| 19:02.40 | I_Died_Once | yummy: are you on dial up? |
| 19:02.43 | yummy | a chat client |
| 19:02.46 | yummy | DSL |
| 19:02.54 | I_Died_Once | the cheap kind? |
| 19:03.01 | brlcad | Tupone: you only asked ;) |
| 19:03.11 | Tupone | :) |
| 19:03.35 | jpa- | yummy: do you know, do the others complain you are laggy, or is it just the numbers? |
| 19:04.01 | yummy | hmm ... i can test this before im kicked |
| 19:04.41 | BenUrban | adium = osx port of gaim iirc |
| 19:05.14 | yummy | yep .. adiumX is a multiprotocol chat client |
| 19:05.50 | yummy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.40 | jpa- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.45 | *** join/#bzflag A_Meteorite (n=A_Meteor@69.111.244.110) |
| 19:09.02 | jpa- | but yes, generally it is a ping through UDP IIRC |
| 19:10.04 | *** part/#bzflag A_Meteorite (n=A_Meteor@69.111.244.110) |
| 19:11.18 | Tupone | yummy: how many frame you do per second? |
| 19:13.17 | jpa- | (press 'T' to see the number above the targetbox/mousebox) |
| 19:14.19 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/falling.jpg |
| 19:14.22 | teh_conquerer | i get close to 200 |
| 19:15.24 | yummy | sry back ..... just tested .. and asked someone .. seems from eye looking that my lag is ok .. seems lagstats report is wrong which lead to lag warn and kick |
| 19:16.49 | yummy | fps is between 100-130 |
| 19:18.31 | ToughShooter | Tupone: 1.2.9 changed nothing |
| 19:18.39 | Tupone | :/ |
| 19:19.12 | brlcad | trepan: purdy |
| 19:19.15 | ToughShooter | Hey, now I know all I have to do is to run BZFlag inside gdb |
| 19:19.49 | brlcad | our textures suck |
| 19:19.49 | Tupone | ToughShooter: can you go to the source that worked and apply something for me ? |
| 19:20.05 | *** join/#bzflag supertanker13 (n=supertan@ACC64A18.ipt.aol.com) |
| 19:20.15 | ToughShooter | I never used patch before, did all by hand |
| 19:20.43 | Tupone | Yeah, something by hand, so I know what goes |
| 19:20.51 | ToughShooter | but I can go back if you want |
| 19:21.01 | Tupone | yep |
| 19:21.25 | trepan | brlcad: flags now need normals :) |
| 19:21.33 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/slantrain.jpg |
| 19:21.38 | yummy | about my lag ..... be back after a reboot ... trying my last in mind hint |
| 19:23.04 | trepan | brlcad: ya, the texture gets filtered pretty hard |
| 19:24.38 | trepan | (oops, was refering to the flag texture on pic #2, the peril of back-reading) |
| 19:25.06 | Tupone | flags are aligned with tank now? |
| 19:25.26 | trepan | only in experimental mode |
| 19:25.32 | trepan | and they follow a wind pattern |
| 19:25.33 | Tupone | or just follow the wind? |
| 19:25.37 | Tupone | ahh |
| 19:25.46 | Tupone | what about an N tank? |
| 19:25.50 | trepan | the same |
| 19:25.52 | *** join/#bzflag yummy (n=yummy@82.253.220.130) |
| 19:25.56 | trepan | ... as it was |
| 19:26.07 | Tupone | ahm ok |
| 19:26.24 | trepan | although it could be tilted if nothing else |
| 19:27.54 | yummy | :( no improvments |
| 19:28.20 | Tupone | yummy: how much is your lag? |
| 19:29.03 | yummy | Tupone: normally it should be around 60ms ... now im fluctuating between 300 to 1000 |
| 19:29.17 | yummy | on european server i mean |
| 19:29.36 | Tupone | and you are from ? |
| 19:29.40 | yummy | France |
| 19:29.44 | Tupone | ah |
| 19:29.57 | cosmos | hrm |
| 19:30.02 | yummy | and i usually play on dub.bzflag.org ...... i guess it's in Germany |
| 19:30.16 | Tupone | have you tried with other computer from home ? |
| 19:30.25 | ToughShooter | dub is at DE-CIX |
| 19:30.27 | yummy | can't .. only that 1 |
| 19:30.40 | ToughShooter | so it's Germany |
| 19:31.45 | yummy | what is weird is that ping in a console is fine .... im not laggy from eye looking ... seems only lagstats is weird |
| 19:32.32 | cosmos | heh, a developer saw me playing bz yesterday, his response "dude those are the worst graphics and gameplay ever you should be playing a real game" |
| 19:32.46 | ToughShooter | lagstats can be different (although I only know that from GM and from caching efffects) |
| 19:33.23 | jpa- | hmm.. this might be very far from your problem, but with software rendering, my computer got so loaded that it affected ping. decrasing bzflag's priority with nice helped.. |
| 19:33.54 | ToughShooter | 100-130 FPS doesn't sound like software rendering |
| 19:34.38 | cosmos | you need a new $2,500 graphics card ;) |
| 19:34.40 | jpa- | ToughShooter: definitely no :) |
| 19:35.09 | jpa- | ToughShooter: i didn't say he was using software rendering :) but bzflag eats all CPU atleast on my computer anyway :) |
| 19:35.35 | yummy | bz uses all the remaining cpu cycles available |
| 19:35.52 | ToughShooter | should be ok... |
| 19:36.43 | yummy | but with my config i ran bz without any Pb for months .... i only face that lag Pb for 3 days now |
| 19:37.05 | jpa- | maybe it is some UDP problem.. |
| 19:37.06 | ToughShooter | jpa-: One time I had debugged the graphics bzflag have drawn, I've disabled hardware acceleration and let all equal updates flash red with blurring. I got a screen update every two seconds... ;) |
| 19:37.09 | jpa- | wait a moment |
| 19:37.58 | ToughShooter | ping uses ICMP, traceroute UDP, IIRC |
| 19:38.22 | yummy | traceroute never gets till my destination |
| 19:38.30 | ToughShooter | Maybe a traceroute from within shell would help |
| 19:38.44 | ToughShooter | sounds like someone is filtering packets then :( |
| 19:40.26 | cosmos | freebsd not liking the current cvs |
| 19:40.27 | jpa- | hmm |
| 19:40.27 | jpa- | new bzfs doesn't support -noudp anymore? |
| 19:40.27 | yummy | this is where traceroute stops : fragw2.gatewayrouter.net (217.20.117.9) 61.584 ms 62.057 ms 62.489 ms |
| 19:44.31 | Tupone | cosmos: server or client ? |
| 19:47.42 | ToughShooter | Hmm, Mac OS X shares some things with FreeBSD... |
| 19:52.38 | Tupone | I think some problem are from includes, but if that compiles without warning should not a problem of those. I only moved or removed |
| 19:53.11 | Tupone | ToughShooter: still building ? |
| 19:54.11 | ToughShooter | Tupone: no |
| 19:54.27 | Tupone | so, you have the version that works now? |
| 19:54.35 | ToughShooter | Tupone: This is not my lappy ;) |
| 19:54.38 | ToughShooter | yes |
| 19:55.26 | Tupone | hmm, could you just cvs update -A TargetingUtils.cxx in src/bzflag |
| 19:55.39 | Tupone | well .h not .cxx |
| 19:56.31 | Tupone | same with TrackMark.h and Weapon.h |
| 19:56.36 | Tupone | no need to make clean |
| 19:56.39 | Tupone | just make |
| 19:57.47 | cosmos | on freebsd it bombs on configure |
| 19:57.51 | cosmos | with a fresh cvs |
| 19:57.59 | cosmos | config.status: error: cannot find input file: misc/Makefile.in |
| 19:58.40 | Tupone | cosmos: when was the last time you updated with CVS? |
| 19:59.00 | ToughShooter | Tupone: http://pastebin.com/402229 :/ |
| 19:59.06 | Tupone | it seems you miss autogen.sh |
| 20:00.02 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.27 | cosmos | about 5 mins ago tupone |
| 20:00.40 | cosmos | i ran autogen.sh as well |
| 20:00.57 | cosmos | under misc it refuses to generate the .in |
| 20:01.05 | Tupone | cosmos: I mean the previous time, to know what is the last version it worked |
| 20:01.17 | cosmos | oh heh about 8 months ago |
| 20:01.21 | cosmos | i just got back into bz |
| 20:01.24 | Tupone | ToughShooter: you are in src/bzflag |
| 20:01.41 | Tupone | cosmos: better checkout in a fresh directory then :/ |
| 20:01.42 | cosmos | but this is a new server and brand new cvs, i didnt update an old tree |
| 20:01.49 | Tupone | ahh |
| 20:01.55 | Tupone | sh autogen.sh worked> |
| 20:01.56 | Tupone | ? |
| 20:02.00 | cosmos | yep |
| 20:02.04 | cosmos | but just not in /misc |
| 20:02.15 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I'm in ~/ and bzflag is in ~/bzflag/ |
| 20:02.29 | Tupone | go in ~/bzflag/src/bzflag |
| 20:02.42 | cosmos | how do you manually create a .in from the .am |
| 20:02.47 | cosmos | maybe i shoudl try that |
| 20:03.11 | Tupone | cosmos: you need libtool, automake and autoconf. You have all ? |
| 20:03.15 | *** join/#bzflag dcat (n=none@pdpc/supporter/active/dcat) |
| 20:03.20 | Tupone | libtool is a new entry |
| 20:03.36 | cosmos | yep |
| 20:04.07 | Tupone | ToughShooter: then -> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag update -A TargetingUtils.h |
| 20:04.18 | ToughShooter | http://pastebin.com/402234 |
| 20:04.35 | ToughShooter | (I might add my brain doesn't work best at this daytime) |
| 20:04.44 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:04.59 | Tupone | delete everything after in :) |
| 20:05.22 | Tupone | in included |
| 20:05.35 | *** join/#bzflag Inferno285 (n=beaulieu@206.8.175.121) |
| 20:05.57 | Inferno285 | Jeff is gone :) |
| 20:05.58 | Tupone | cosmos: try autoreconf instead of autogen |
| 20:06.23 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Ok, I'm doing a full recompile |
| 20:06.53 | Tupone | full :( I hope you did not make clean |
| 20:06.56 | cosmos | tupone: it says "Please install Windows for better luck" |
| 20:07.02 | Tupone | lol |
| 20:07.37 | Inferno285 | can someone tell me what my external IP address is? |
| 20:07.40 | Tupone | so you typed autoreconf . And what after |
| 20:08.00 | cosmos | it spit out pages and pages of errors |
| 20:08.06 | cosmos | about redefined libtool stuff |
| 20:08.17 | Tupone | could you paste at bzflag.pasetbin.ca ? |
| 20:08.18 | cosmos | im going to do another clean cvs in a sec |
| 20:08.22 | Tupone | pastebin |
| 20:08.27 | brlcad | cosmos: I commited a fix that should handle that a couple hours ago |
| 20:08.41 | cosmos | brlcad maybe it hasnt propogated? |
| 20:08.47 | brlcad | but in the meantime, cp misc/libtool.m4 acinclude.m4 |
| 20:08.54 | Tupone | Inferno285: 206.8.175.121 |
| 20:08.55 | cosmos | let me redo the cvs |
| 20:09.04 | Inferno285 | Tupone, thank you |
| 20:09.05 | brlcad | rerun autogen.sh or autoreconf .. it should succeed |
| 20:09.09 | cosmos | ok |
| 20:09.28 | brlcad | start with a fresh checkout just to be clean |
| 20:09.38 | cosmos | yep doing that now |
| 20:11.56 | brlcad | if autogen.sh fails, do autogen.sh -v and pastebin the result |
| 20:13.01 | ToughShooter | Tupone: That didn't stopped the binary from launching |
| 20:13.13 | Tupone | so .. it works? |
| 20:13.45 | ToughShooter | well, I was able to launch, saw menus, MOTD etc |
| 20:14.04 | cosmos | brlcad gets a gold star! |
| 20:14.10 | Tupone | you just updated those 3 files? |
| 20:14.27 | cosmos | i did a fresh cvs, ran that cp and autogen.sh works now |
| 20:14.29 | cosmos | thanks |
| 20:15.00 | brlcad | finally.. got the new SDLMain.m from 1.2.9 working |
| 20:15.20 | Tupone | great Sean :) |
| 20:15.21 | brlcad | cosmos: good to hear it -- the autogen.sh in cvs would have done the cp for you too |
| 20:15.35 | ToughShooter | yeah, the evil CFLAGS can cause errors :/ |
| 20:15.58 | brlcad | actually it's our cppflags |
| 20:16.05 | Inferno285 | "Sean" ? |
| 20:16.16 | brlcad | you can't compile an objective-C file with -ansi -pedantic ;) |
| 20:16.19 | ToughShooter | hmm, I had probs with -fast |
| 20:16.30 | brlcad | Inferno285: que pasa? |
| 20:17.06 | brlcad | -fast is an entirely different ball of wax, we don't use that by default |
| 20:17.21 | *** part/#bzflag Inferno285 (n=beaulieu@206.8.175.121) |
| 20:17.34 | ToughShooter | most users wouldn't be happy with it |
| 20:17.35 | brlcad | not sure if bz has any aliasing going on, -fast won't work with aliasing |
| 20:18.01 | cosmos | brlcad so when will you have the playstation 2 release? ;) |
| 20:18.39 | Tupone | ToughShooter: you just updated those 3 files? |
| 20:19.00 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Oh, that was directed to me? :o |
| 20:19.02 | brlcad | cosmos: bug these guys http://sourceforge.net/projects/bzflag-console/ ;) |
| 20:19.05 | Tupone | yep |
| 20:19.19 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I pasted what you've written |
| 20:19.31 | Tupone | only for TargetingUtils.h ? |
| 20:19.34 | ToughShooter | yeah |
| 20:20.06 | ToughShooter | bah, I can not read :( |
| 20:20.40 | Tupone | 2 others file need that : Weapon.h and TrackMarks.h |
| 20:20.45 | Tupone | and do not clean |
| 20:20.48 | Tupone | just make |
| 20:24.45 | ToughShooter | works |
| 20:25.19 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Molez (n=acd6911c@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:30.19 | uso | on a server with default settings the max tank speed is 25 for forward and 12.5 for backward, so there should never happen a velocity change of more than 37.5, right? |
| 20:30.23 | uso | without any flag |
| 20:31.42 | uso | but i get velocity changes up to 50 |
| 20:31.51 | uso | any hint where i am wrong? |
| 20:32.06 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I'm curious why I only should update these |
| 20:32.26 | Tupone | I'm trying to see what is causing it |
| 20:32.31 | ToughShooter | use: There can happen a lot |
| 20:32.48 | uso | but how? ;) |
| 20:32.56 | Tupone | it works, sorry I did not hear the beep :) |
| 20:32.57 | ToughShooter | Like moving cursor and switching windowing modes |
| 20:33.19 | uso | should not occur for my understanding, so i'm searching where i'm wrong |
| 20:33.24 | ToughShooter | You can drive into buildings that way for example, too |
| 20:34.21 | *** join/#bzflag bz9721 (n=456b9c6b@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:34.27 | bz9721 | hi |
| 20:34.33 | uso | as far as i can see it mostly happens on landing after a jump |
| 20:34.57 | bz9721 | i have a query regarding bzflag |
| 20:35.08 | Tupone | ToughShooter: clientCommands.cxx & command.h thanks :) |
| 20:35.48 | bz9721 | my laptop reboots after abt 10 min of game |
| 20:35.54 | bz9721 | can anyone suggests why |
| 20:36.04 | bz9721 | cPU usage during this period is 100% |
| 20:36.19 | brlcad | bz9721: it probably gets too hot and shuts itself off |
| 20:36.38 | bz9721 | it was not that before, |
| 20:36.49 | bz9721 | it starts to happen now since last 2 weeks |
| 20:36.52 | Tupone | bz9721: what OS? |
| 20:36.52 | brlcad | there's a patch in cvs that lets laptops run cooler |
| 20:36.57 | bz9721 | does thos game takes that much resource |
| 20:37.03 | ToughShooter | Tupone: You mean commands.h, I assume ;) |
| 20:37.09 | Tupone | yep |
| 20:37.13 | uso | it takes all it can get :) |
| 20:37.13 | bz9721 | pentium 1.7Ghz, 512 MB ram |
| 20:37.27 | bz9721 | win20K |
| 20:37.30 | bz9721 | win 2K |
| 20:38.03 | Tupone | ToughShooter: trying the things I can separate easily, random change does not compile |
| 20:38.25 | uso | blame your vendor, probably saved a few bucks for cooling ;) |
| 20:38.50 | bz9721 | where can i get that patch |
| 20:38.56 | brlcad | bz9721: if you can get ahold of one of the most recent 2.0.5 builds, there's an Energy Saver option on the Display Options menu, turn it on and give that a try |
| 20:39.00 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Still works |
| 20:39.08 | Tupone | ok ... lemme see |
| 20:40.10 | bz9721 | i have tried 2.0.4, is 2.0.5 available |
| 20:40.22 | bz9721 | do one need to play this game on desktops |
| 20:40.34 | Tupone | callback.cxx and callback.h (I hope those compile) |
| 20:40.49 | Tupone | callbacks |
| 20:43.04 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Seem to compile and work |
| 20:43.46 | *** join/#bzflag SilentSwan (n=silent@unaffiliated/silentswan) |
| 20:44.00 | Tupone | TargetingUtils.cxx |
| 20:44.30 | uso | bz9721: try to decrease your cpu or gpu speed, if your bios supports it, this may help a bit |
| 20:45.20 | trepan | bz9721: recent CVS has a frame limiter, specifically added for laptops |
| 20:46.02 | trepan | also (although probably doesn't really apply), does your lappy support vsync? |
| 20:46.07 | uso | are there that many crappy laptops out there getting overheated at full load?? |
| 20:46.27 | bz9721 | i have ibm thinkpad |
| 20:46.52 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Still working as it should |
| 20:47.02 | Tupone | TrackMark.cxx |
| 20:47.21 | ToughShooter | I wonder if it will still work when we've updated all files |
| 20:48.02 | Tupone | you can save the status of the dir and try again, or make another tree |
| 20:48.12 | cosmos | we had a thinkpad burn a salesguys lap |
| 20:48.17 | cosmos | it was hilarious |
| 20:48.19 | Tupone | but I suppose is better to continue |
| 20:48.46 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Works |
| 20:49.02 | bz9721 | what is vsync |
| 20:49.24 | ToughShooter | It's an option of graphics drivers |
| 20:49.40 | Tupone | Weapon.cxx WeatherRenderer.h |
| 20:50.15 | I_Died_Once | Oh yeah? Well, I FAKED EVERY ORGASM! |
| 20:50.18 | ToughShooter | it syncronizes 3d context with refresh rate |
| 20:50.22 | I_Died_Once | oops, wrong window |
| 20:50.43 | SilentSwan | what other window are you in? :) |
| 20:51.23 | bz9721 | does this game uses 100% CPU in desktop also ? |
| 20:51.42 | Tupone | bz9721: mostly |
| 20:51.56 | bz9721 | so they have better cooling |
| 20:55.15 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 20:55.15 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 20:55.18 | bz9721 | how can i decrease the CPU speed |
| 20:56.01 | PrezKennedy | time to change nick from I_Died_Once to I_Died_Twice :-P |
| 20:56.54 | brlcad | SilentSwan: :) |
| 20:56.56 | *** join/#bzflag ToughShooter_ (n=ts@p54B0374D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:57.10 | SilentSwan | huh? wha? who? |
| 20:57.14 | SilentSwan | oh hi :) |
| 20:57.16 | ToughShooter_ | Tupone: This wasn't launching and my OS had a deadlock |
| 20:57.43 | Tupone | what you mean by a DeadLock ? |
| 20:58.06 | ToughShooter_ | it stopped reacting to my actions |
| 20:58.39 | ToughShooter_ | apps have stopped continuing to work but still have been able to be killed |
| 20:59.03 | ToughShooter_ | but user switching and logging out of that account didn't work |
| 20:59.04 | Tupone | hmmm, better going back for a file, but bzflag really should not block the OS |
| 20:59.20 | ToughShooter_ | I'll try again to be sure it was bzflag |
| 21:00.23 | ToughShooter_ | Looks like the binary works and something else has caused the problem :/ |
| 21:00.42 | Tupone | so this binary still works |
| 21:00.48 | ToughShooter_ | yeah |
| 21:01.41 | Tupone | WeatherRenderer.cxx |
| 21:03.35 | ToughShooter_ | Tupone: Still fine |
| 21:04.27 | Tupone | World.cxx |
| 21:04.48 | Tupone | still 4 with that |
| 21:05.41 | ToughShooter_ | Tupone: works |
| 21:06.21 | Tupone | are you sure the file changed ? |
| 21:06.50 | Tupone | it compiles some .. Yes ? |
| 21:07.11 | Tupone | WorldPlayer.cxx |
| 21:07.59 | ToughShooter_ | Tupone: I would interpret this as being changed: http://pastebin.com/402309 |
| 21:08.24 | Tupone | yep |
| 21:09.28 | ToughShooter_ | sigh, still works |
| 21:09.41 | Tupone | WorldBuilder.cxx |
| 21:09.58 | Tupone | I left for the last the one with greater probability |
| 21:11.13 | ToughShooter_ | Tupone: What's next? It still works perfect |
| 21:11.23 | Tupone | bzflag.cxx |
| 21:11.31 | Tupone | is the last |
| 21:13.08 | ToughShooter_ | Tupone: bzflag.cxx make it going boom |
| 21:13.12 | SilentSwan | *sigh* back to reloading solaris 10.... |
| 21:13.14 | Tupone | hehe :) |
| 21:13.17 | ToughShooter_ | s/make/makes |
| 21:13.55 | Tupone | could you cvs update -A from the bzflag directory, and then only change bzflag.cxx |
| 21:14.20 | Tupone | I mean the ~/bzflag |
| 21:14.51 | ToughShooter_ | Tupone: I've consumed a bit Coca Cola, that would make me thinking better |
| 21:15.04 | Tupone | lol |
| 21:15.32 | Tupone | I want you get the last version of everything, then I (you) change bzflag.cxx |
| 21:17.01 | ToughShooter_ | It's only a matter of how much I'm awake ;) |
| 21:17.14 | Tupone | you need instruction? |
| 21:17.19 | Tupone | cd ~/bzflag |
| 21:17.23 | ToughShooter_ | I want the changes |
| 21:17.24 | Tupone | cvs update -dPA |
| 21:17.37 | Tupone | cd src/bzflag |
| 21:17.51 | Tupone | cvs update -r2.59 bzflag.cxx |
| 21:18.10 | Tupone | if works I put that back for now |
| 21:19.32 | *** join/#bzflag icy (n=icy@G6534.g.pppool.de) |
| 21:19.34 | icy | hy |
| 21:20.05 | ToughShooter_ | Tupone: works |
| 21:20.13 | icy | is somebody her able to help me with a problem? Bzflag crashes after a while playing sudenly. |
| 21:20.19 | icy | I don't know why... |
| 21:20.31 | icy | im using freebsd |
| 21:20.32 | Tupone | ok, you have to redo cvs update -dPA, in about 5 hours |
| 21:20.56 | icy | I? |
| 21:21.07 | ToughShooter | icy, Tupone meant me |
| 21:21.13 | icy | oh |
| 21:21.32 | icy | i have a core file, but I dont know what to do with it |
| 21:21.41 | brlcad | icy: excellent |
| 21:21.49 | brlcad | gdb -c corefile |
| 21:22.03 | brlcad | then "bt" |
| 21:23.04 | icy | just "??"s |
| 21:23.39 | icy | maybe "gdb /usr/local/bin/bzflag corefile? |
| 21:23.43 | brlcad | ahh, then you have a non-debug build, or at least with symbols stripped |
| 21:24.00 | brlcad | you built from ports? |
| 21:24.27 | icy | yes, but i think i enabled debug. I were here in the IRC once before... |
| 21:24.53 | icy | with my way "gdb /usr/local/bin/bzflag corefile" there are some other informations |
| 21:25.23 | Tupone | ToughShooter: I commited the change, should be up in a bunch. We could go over and over to see what damned instruction caused that, but I know you are bored :) |
| 21:26.03 | ToughShooter | Tupone: At monday I've got to wake up at 6AM... |
| 21:26.15 | DTRemenak | icy: what are the top couple lines of backtrace? |
| 21:26.30 | ToughShooter | so no good for going further and further so late ;) |
| 21:26.32 | icy | with or without the binary path? |
| 21:26.37 | Tupone | :) |
| 21:26.52 | DTRemenak | fwiw, gdb -c corefile, then file bzflag, then bt, will work. dunno about mashing it all on the commandline. |
| 21:27.11 | DTRemenak | if it works for you then great |
| 21:29.01 | *** join/#bzflag MostlyHarmless (n=3fc8373e@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:29.09 | DTRemenak | if bt gives you reasonable information then it's good enough. what are the first couple lines? |
| 21:29.12 | DTRemenak | ~bzpastebin |
| 21:29.14 | ibot | [bzpastebin] a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 21:29.46 | icy | #0 0x287aa31b in pthread_testcancel () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 |
| 21:29.46 | icy | #1 0x2879b145 in sigaction () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 |
| 21:29.46 | icy | #2 0x287951dd in pthread_kill () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 |
| 21:29.46 | icy | #3 0x28794bac in raise () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 |
| 21:29.46 | icy | #4 0x28865c62 in abort () from /lib/libc.so.5 |
| 21:29.48 | icy | #5 0x288095b9 in ldexp () from /lib/libc.so.5 |
| 21:29.51 | icy | #6 0x288095fd in ldexp () from /lib/libc.so.5 |
| 21:29.53 | icy | #7 0x2880a4f1 in ldexp () from /lib/libc.so.5 |
| 21:29.56 | icy | #8 0x2880a743 in ldexp () from /lib/libc.so.5 |
| 21:29.58 | icy | #9 0x2880a874 in free () from /lib/libc.so.5 |
| 21:30.01 | icy | #10 0x28748fc3 in operator delete () from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.4 |
| 21:30.14 | icy | #11 0x08217ed1 in std::fpos<__mbstate_t>::fpos () |
| 21:30.14 | icy | #12 0x0813239b in std::operator!=<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > () |
| 21:30.17 | icy | #13 0x081323c7 in std::operator!=<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > () |
| 21:30.20 | icy | #14 0x08130f9c in std::operator!=<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > () |
| 21:30.23 | icy | #15 0x08130f63 in std::operator!=<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > () |
| 21:30.24 | JeffM2501 | ohy |
| 21:30.26 | icy | #16 0x0810bafd in std::operator!=<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > () |
| 21:30.29 | icy | #17 0x08088425 in __gnu_cxx::new_allocator<char>::new_allocator () |
| 21:30.42 | icy | #18 0x288671a5 in __cxa_finalize () from /lib/libc.so.5 |
| 21:30.42 | icy | #19 0x28866ec6 in exit () from /lib/libc.so.5 |
| 21:30.42 | icy | #20 0x282db9df in SDL_Parachute () from /usr/local/lib/libSDL-1.1.so.7 |
| 21:30.42 | icy | #21 0x28799e26 in sigaction () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 |
| 21:30.42 | icy | #22 0x28799cab in sigaction () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 |
| 21:30.44 | icy | #23 0x2879a86c in sigaction () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 |
| 21:30.47 | icy | #24 0x287a3094 in pthread_mutexattr_init () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 |
| 21:30.49 | icy | #25 0x287a2f88 in pthread_mutexattr_init () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 |
| 21:30.52 | icy | #26 0x28851253 in _ctx_start () from /lib/libc.so.5 |
| 21:30.54 | icy | #27 0x00000000 in ?? () |
| 21:30.57 | icy | #28 0xbfbfb7b0 in ?? () |
| 21:30.59 | icy | #29 0xbfbfb4f0 in ?? () |
| 21:31.02 | icy | #30 0x00000000 in ?? () |
| 21:31.04 | icy | #31 0x287a2f24 in pthread_mutexattr_init () from /usr/lib/libpthread.so.1 |
| 21:31.07 | icy | Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) |
| 21:31.10 | icy | thats all |
| 21:31.12 | JeffM2501 | dude |
| 21:31.16 | JeffM2501 | pastebin!!! |
| 21:31.17 | blast007 | gah |
| 21:31.50 | icy | OHH, sorry @^-^@ |
| 21:32.05 | DTRemenak | you've got a smashed stack, the backtrace is pretty much useless. that is, if those symbols are correct. |
| 21:32.29 | icy | so what can I do in my position? |
| 21:32.40 | DTRemenak | hmm |
| 21:33.27 | MostlyHarmless | ~bzfquery 63.200.55.62.5145 |
| 21:33.29 | brlcad | icy: before you wandered off yesterday, you were supposed to have been compiling a debug version in ports |
| 21:33.55 | icy | i think i did it... is there a way to test it? |
| 21:34.12 | brlcad | run it |
| 21:34.16 | icy | i mean, to test if i have a debug-version |
| 21:34.21 | brlcad | install it first |
| 21:34.32 | icy | and then? after running it? |
| 21:34.33 | brlcad | cd /usr/ports/games/work && sudo make install |
| 21:34.41 | brlcad | get it to crash again ;) |
| 21:34.46 | icy | its already isntalled |
| 21:34.48 | DTRemenak | does -version tell if it's debug or not on nixish boxen? |
| 21:35.13 | brlcad | icy: the point is to install the debug version if you haven't -- but sure that you did |
| 21:35.41 | brlcad | can't hurt to cd there and install "again" even if you did |
| 21:36.19 | brlcad | remember to set your ulimit to allow corefiles |
| 21:36.27 | icy | its pretty hard to do a ./configure Option. And although i would do it again... it takes a couple of hours... |
| 21:36.42 | brlcad | i didn't say configure.. |
| 21:36.45 | DTRemenak | brlcad: he has a corefile anyway... |
| 21:36.49 | brlcad | just sudo make install |
| 21:36.54 | DTRemenak | so it must be set to allow them |
| 21:36.55 | icy | the corefile thing is alright... |
| 21:36.58 | brlcad | DTRemenak: symbolless |
| 21:37.10 | brlcad | he made that the other day |
| 21:37.18 | icy | no i didnt |
| 21:37.33 | brlcad | ah, you got another? good enough then |
| 21:37.37 | icy | hmm... ok i will make a reinstall |
| 21:38.05 | brlcad | icy: notice I did not say to cd to /usr/ports/games/bzflag .. go to /usr/ports/games/bzflag/work and sudo make install from there |
| 21:38.53 | icy | ok it makes an install |
| 21:39.11 | icy | ohh, it finsihed |
| 21:39.31 | brlcad | run bzflag -version |
| 21:39.36 | brlcad | what's it say? |
| 21:39.59 | icy | BZFlag client 2.0.4.20051021-STABLE-freebsd5.4-SDL (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 21:40.02 | icy | Copyright (c) 1993 - 2005 Tim Riker |
| 21:40.27 | brlcad | k, go ahead and run and crash now ;) |
| 21:40.40 | icy | brb |
| 21:42.23 | icy | ok |
| 21:42.41 | brlcad | this time, use pastebin please |
| 21:42.50 | DTRemenak | gdb -c corefile, file bzflag, bt, dump it in pastebin |
| 21:43.00 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:43.27 | icy | (gdb) file bzflag |
| 21:43.27 | icy | Reading symbols from bzflag...(no debugging symbols found)...done. |
| 21:43.40 | icy | is that correct? |
| 21:43.45 | DTRemenak | no, that's not good |
| 21:44.08 | brlcad | woo hoo.. sdl update fixes the -window behavior bug |
| 21:44.09 | icy | so i do it from the commandline, okay? |
| 21:44.18 | DTRemenak | still won't work :) |
| 21:44.28 | DTRemenak | you can try file <path to>/bzflag |
| 21:44.31 | brlcad | file /usr/local/bin/bzflag |
| 21:46.12 | icy | (gdb) file /usr/local/bin/bzflag |
| 21:46.16 | icy | Reading symbols from /usr/local/bin/bzflag...(no debugging symbols found)...done |
| 21:46.38 | icy | bt |
| 21:46.40 | DTRemenak | you need symbols |
| 21:46.50 | icy | where do i get them? |
| 21:46.58 | DTRemenak | building with --enable-debug |
| 21:46.59 | brlcad | sounds like it didn't rebuild |
| 21:47.07 | icy | k |
| 21:47.09 | brlcad | icy: cd /usr/ports/games/work |
| 21:47.13 | brlcad | make clean |
| 21:47.24 | brlcad | ./configure --enable-debug |
| 21:48.26 | CIA-3 | ow |
| 21:49.22 | icy | @brlcad: i can't do ./configure, when i understood everything right... I asked in a bsd channel and ./configure must be executed by make install, but i can edit the configure file |
| 21:50.01 | brlcad | BS |
| 21:50.14 | brlcad | it's just a matter of getting the options it wants |
| 21:50.23 | brlcad | head config.log |
| 21:50.23 | icy | what means BT? |
| 21:51.08 | brlcad | it's french, means they're lying |
| 21:51.19 | brlcad | or being overly simplistic |
| 21:52.02 | icy | ok, then i will make now my "./configure --enable-debug", okay? |
| 21:52.11 | brlcad | see what it does at least |
| 21:52.13 | DTRemenak | with pkgsrc it is mostly true. anything you supply to ./configure will be trampled by bmake, you need to edit the package-makefile. |
| 21:54.01 | icy | sorry, but my english is very bad. I have to edit the makefile??? but there is no "debug" Option which i may see |
| 21:54.24 | brlcad | ports leaves well enough along and just runs our build with a handful of -I -L flag options |
| 21:54.34 | brlcad | s/build/configure/ |
| 21:55.12 | brlcad | icy: did you run ./configure yet? |
| 21:55.17 | icy | no |
| 21:55.31 | brlcad | run ./configure --enable-debug |
| 21:55.41 | icy | i think, i changed it, so i want first to get the package without any changes |
| 21:55.56 | brlcad | at worst it might not find SDL and require some more paths |
| 21:56.19 | icy | it won't find SDL ;-) |
| 21:57.39 | icy | but even the configure done by portinstall can't find it. It does anything after configure, i think |
| 21:57.55 | icy | BZFlag-2.0.4.20051022 with the following: |
| 21:57.55 | icy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.55 | icy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.55 | icy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.55 | icy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.24 | icy | should I do make isntall anyway? |
| 21:58.40 | brlcad | no, not yet |
| 21:59.03 | brlcad | cd /usr/ports/games/bzflag && make .. wait for configure to complete and compile to begin, then ctrl-c |
| 21:59.16 | icy | configure looks in SDL/SDL.h but it is in SDL11/SDL.h |
| 21:59.55 | icy | and what is that for? |
| 22:00.08 | DTRemenak | sdl is used for window-management and so on |
| 22:00.13 | DTRemenak | it's nice to have |
| 22:00.33 | DTRemenak | brlcad: pkgsrc tries to be smart and build all in one step. runs configure &ct for you. you can run bmake install CONFIGURE_ARGS=--enable-debug to insert options. |
| 22:00.37 | icy | no, i mean whats the ctrl-c after the configure for? |
| 22:00.38 | brlcad | icy: if you run the steps above, it will provide the correct configure line |
| 22:00.46 | icy | k |
| 22:01.51 | brlcad | DTRemenak: I know, but without looking at how the ports makefile was set up I was taking a trusted route |
| 22:01.59 | icy | the CONFIG_ARGS thing runs |
| 22:02.04 | icy | works |
| 22:02.11 | DTRemenak | icy: was talking to brlcad not you :) |
| 22:02.16 | DTRemenak | and about pkgsrc not ports |
| 22:02.35 | brlcad | ports does that too actually ;) |
| 22:02.41 | icy | but in bsd there is also something... |
| 22:02.44 | DTRemenak | see, that is what I do not know :) |
| 22:02.56 | icy | but i didnt know about the CONFIG_ARGS Variable |
| 22:03.02 | icy | ^^ |
| 22:03.13 | DTRemenak | icy: pkgsrc is usually bsd. I use it on Dragonfly. |
| 22:03.51 | icy | whats better at Dragonfly than FreeBSD? |
| 22:04.09 | DTRemenak | at the moment, not much |
| 22:04.25 | icy | and in the future? |
| 22:04.29 | DTRemenak | they have some interesting scalability plans |
| 22:04.34 | brlcad | icy: there are probably a half dozen ways to get this debug thing going -- you really just have to pick one of them |
| 22:04.49 | brlcad | the important step is that configure eventually runs with --enable-debug |
| 22:05.18 | icy | I will let it compile... If it doesn't work i try it another way |
| 22:05.39 | brlcad | don't guess, just look at the log -- it says whether it's debug or not |
| 22:06.04 | icy | i will take a look... |
| 22:06.07 | brlcad | head /usr/ports/games/bzflag/work/config.log .. |
| 22:07.52 | icy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.56 | icy | ^^ |
| 22:08.04 | I_Died_Once | --enable-shared |
| 22:08.07 | icy | I'm a noob, thats all ;-) |
| 22:08.20 | brlcad | so it does say enable-debug, great |
| 22:08.28 | brlcad | you did run "make clean" first, yes? :) |
| 22:08.40 | icy | while I'm compiling: how bad is my english? |
| 22:08.45 | I_Died_Once | --prefix=/path/to/where/you/want/it/to/go/ |
| 22:08.49 | icy | yes |
| 22:09.15 | brlcad | your english is just fine |
| 22:09.31 | I_Died_Once | Note to self: "make this work" is invalid syntax |
| 22:09.42 | brlcad | wouldn't have even noticed, other than you mentioning it ;) |
| 22:09.43 | teh_conquerer | lol |
| 22:09.52 | brlcad | CIA-3: reset |
| 22:10.18 | brlcad | Tupone: works fine for me here without updating |
| 22:10.33 | Tupone | yeah, I know it should |
| 22:10.33 | DTRemenak | I noticed, but it is not bad at all. better than some bzflag developers :) |
| 22:10.35 | icy | oh, really? but I have still problems... don't send your children to a german school... -_- |
| 22:10.48 | I_Died_Once | Never eat yellow snow |
| 22:11.08 | icy | except bavaria |
| 22:11.30 | icy | its the best German state |
| 22:11.31 | Tupone | brlcad: you see my commit? just a couple change, harmless |
| 22:11.42 | brlcad | yes |
| 22:11.57 | icy | how long does a compilation of bzflag lasts? |
| 22:11.59 | Tupone | ToughShooter machine is bad at something |
| 22:12.05 | ToughShooter | icy: You need to learn a bit more...it's certainly not the best... |
| 22:12.06 | I_Died_Once | about three to five minutes for m e |
| 22:12.11 | DTRemenak | icy: the things I notice are little things, like no native english speaker says "what means X?", they say "what does X mean?" |
| 22:12.12 | teh_conquerer | burrito... too... hot... |
| 22:12.33 | brlcad | DTRemenak: what means X? |
| 22:12.37 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 22:12.54 | icy | feel free to correct me^^ |
| 22:12.59 | brlcad | I'm like ol' faithful |
| 22:13.06 | I_Died_Once | or, if they are from 'da hood, they say "yo man, where is be 'da X n' shih yo" |
| 22:13.11 | teh_conquerer | icy, its alright, you just sound like youre drunk.... :-) |
| 22:13.28 | brlcad | mm.. drunk |
| 22:13.28 | icy | ^^ |
| 22:13.28 | teh_conquerer | which reminds me... |
| 22:13.49 | icy | satarday evening, drunken sound... who knows ;-) |
| 22:13.54 | icy | saturday |
| 22:14.06 | I_Died_Once | day of satur |
| 22:14.54 | I_Died_Once | Hey - are there apps to sync my local system clock to the atomic clock in linux??? |
| 22:15.13 | I_Died_Once | my damn clokc is off by about eight minutes |
| 22:15.14 | icy | ok, i have an AMD 1800+ with 1533mhz and i wanna go sleep. What do you think will the compilation takes? |
| 22:15.21 | DTRemenak | I_Died_Once: ntpd or xntpd |
| 22:15.33 | DTRemenak | read the manuals, they have to be configured first |
| 22:15.37 | I_Died_Once | is that command line? |
| 22:15.37 | icy | how long, not what ;-) |
| 22:15.47 | Tupone | I_Died_Once: what distribution? |
| 22:15.51 | I_Died_Once | Suse |
| 22:15.53 | DTRemenak | they're daemons, they will run in the background and make sure your clock is always right |
| 22:16.00 | brlcad | icy: probably 15 minutes or so |
| 22:16.24 | I_Died_Once | demons running loose in my computer - who'd have thunk it? |
| 22:16.32 | DTRemenak | ntpupdate is for "do it once" |
| 22:16.33 | icy | but it already compiles 15mins... i think the last time it takes a couple of hours... |
| 22:16.51 | DTRemenak | xntpd has some mode that makes it run once |
| 22:17.04 | DTRemenak | there's a third ntp client that I don't remember anything about |
| 22:17.37 | icy | i go and eat something. When it doesn't finish while that, I will let the Computer run and go sleep |
| 22:17.53 | I_Died_Once | nothing you said has worked in command line DT |
| 22:18.09 | I_Died_Once | got a link? |
| 22:18.49 | DTRemenak | http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp/ntpfaq/NTP-s-config.htm |
| 22:18.50 | Tupone | I_Died_Once: try ntpdate |
| 22:19.43 | icy | ohh... by the way: Does anyone of you know a mp3-flasplayer for less than 100Euros or Dollars which has an ionen-akku except the ipod shuffel? |
| 22:21.20 | brlcad | nope |
| 22:22.02 | JeffM2501 | not that has 512k |
| 22:22.14 | DTRemenak | heh, 512k |
| 22:22.20 | JeffM2501 | meg |
| 22:22.21 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:22.50 | JeffM2501 | the shuffle was the best price for storage |
| 22:22.57 | brlcad | Tupone: updated cvs so macs should be happy now |
| 22:23.04 | JeffM2501 | and built in usb conenctor helps |
| 22:23.04 | brlcad | with 1.2.9 |
| 22:23.10 | brlcad | and gcc 4 |
| 22:24.18 | Tupone | brlcad: hmm, I should look at mail .. |
| 22:24.37 | I_Died_Once | how many minutes is 616 seconds |
| 22:24.48 | Tupone | 10 minutes |
| 22:24.48 | DTRemenak | ~616/60 |
| 22:24.50 | ibot | 10.266666666667 |
| 22:25.01 | I_Died_Once | woot |
| 22:25.01 | I_Died_Once | brb |
| 22:26.07 | Tupone | brlcad: so we should require 1.2.9 for Mac |
| 22:33.58 | brlcad | not necessarily -- didn't confirm that 1.2.8 fails |
| 22:34.05 | brlcad | the client certainly works |
| 22:34.14 | Tupone | ok :) |
| 22:34.21 | brlcad | it's just required if they want to run from the command line with -window |
| 22:34.34 | brlcad | and even then, maybe not |
| 22:35.38 | Tupone | I wonder why is so difficult to debug Mac crash. Perhaps having SDL compiled with debug and sources help |
| 22:35.56 | Tupone | and having the machine here :) |
| 22:36.09 | brlcad | difficult as debug symbols are stripped |
| 22:36.24 | Tupone | who strip those? |
| 22:36.24 | brlcad | to not strip results in an > 2x increase in size |
| 22:37.06 | brlcad | 14M stripped |
| 22:37.16 | brlcad | > 28M unstripped |
| 22:37.34 | brlcad | pulling in SDL makes for a lot of frameworks and symbols getting pulled in |
| 22:37.41 | Tupone | mine is 72037209 |
| 22:38.11 | brlcad | sure, but then you build that, it's not what's shipped ;) |
| 22:38.22 | Tupone | lol |
| 22:38.37 | brlcad | when I build, it's big and there's no trouble debugging |
| 22:38.56 | brlcad | -rwxr-xr-x 1 morrison morrison 48021692 Oct 22 18:25 bzflag |
| 22:39.02 | Tupone | 3034716 stripped |
| 22:39.45 | cosmos | yeah |
| 22:39.49 | brlcad | 4087252 stripped here |
| 22:40.20 | Tupone | I don't have inside the regex, and my wish is to remove zlib too. but I'll wait for that |
| 22:40.24 | brlcad | (all of the distribution is > 28M compressed) |
| 22:40.45 | brlcad | remove zlib? why? |
| 22:40.58 | Tupone | to use the system one, if exist |
| 22:41.00 | brlcad | the point of including it is to have it available when it's not available |
| 22:41.12 | brlcad | sure, it should be doing that already |
| 22:41.22 | Tupone | Are you sure? |
| 22:41.28 | brlcad | i said it "should" |
| 22:41.33 | Tupone | hmm, have to check :) |
| 22:41.47 | brlcad | whether it does or not |
| 22:41.48 | Tupone | and I like the regex to be included only on request |
| 22:42.09 | Tupone | I have to do --disable-regex to get the system one |
| 22:42.18 | brlcad | regex should also only get build if a system regex doesn't work/exist |
| 22:42.32 | Tupone | is not so, at least when I tested it |
| 22:42.50 | brlcad | reason for that iirc is because of some debian issue |
| 22:44.24 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.05 | brlcad | it builds, it was a run-time issue where it'd crash inside system regex |
| 22:45.06 | Tupone | Nothing is build under zlib |
| 22:45.19 | Tupone | to me :) |
| 22:46.08 | Tupone | brlcad: it crashed even here, but I changed the include, and now is ok, at least here |
| 22:47.19 | brlcad | what include? |
| 22:47.26 | Tupone | the regex one |
| 22:47.41 | brlcad | huh? |
| 22:47.46 | Tupone | if you see the code now, I renamed our |
| 22:47.55 | Tupone | so I can choose between the 2 |
| 22:48.08 | Tupone | with the same name, it used to get our |
| 22:48.22 | brlcad | you mean the header |
| 22:48.26 | Tupone | yep |
| 22:48.44 | Tupone | and probably some structure get sized differently |
| 22:49.47 | brlcad | hmm, perhaps .. should investigate why debian is different and why it was picking up our header |
| 22:49.48 | Tupone | #include <xxx> is not enough to get system header from /usr/include |
| 22:50.21 | Tupone | if you specify -I during compilation , the -I is used before |
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| 22:56.01 | brlcad | Tupone: yes, but whether there's anything useful that can be done about it in a general fashion |
| 22:56.10 | brlcad | something like the -I- option perhaps |
| 22:56.48 | Tupone | I did not come to any sort of compromise :(. The only things I could do is renaming the header |
| 22:58.57 | trepan | gcc-4 lists -I- as having been deprecated |
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| 22:59.21 | brlcad | yeah, it is -- but there are other options too |
| 22:59.38 | icy | ok i compiled bzflag with "--enable-debug" and for somehow it runs |
| 22:59.42 | trepan | probably wouldn't be consider deprecated otherwise |
| 22:59.52 | brlcad | -iquote |
| 22:59.52 | icy | good night and sweet dreams... |
| 23:05.03 | *** join/#bzflag bz7523 (n=450edd23@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:05.56 | bz7523 | hello |
| 23:06.30 | brlcad | goodbye |
| 23:06.39 | SilentSwan | hah |
| 23:08.56 | *** join/#bzflag bz3282 (n=dcf68677@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:09.09 | bz3282 | hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 23:09.17 | SilentSwan | hmm... solaris 10 makes me push more confirmation buttons than previous releases. how annoying. |
| 23:11.04 | CBG | bz3282 == bz7523 == ??? |
| 23:11.29 | brad2901` | no |
| 23:12.43 | CBG | ~slap brad2901` |
| 23:12.44 | ibot | ACTION slaps brad2901`, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 23:24.27 | SilentSwan | ~spank |
| 23:24.29 | ibot | ACTION gets out the Spanking Paddle |
| 23:24.34 | SilentSwan | ~spank SilentSwan |
| 23:24.36 | ibot | ACTION bends SilentSwan over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on SilentSwan's pasty white buttocks. |
| 23:24.44 | SilentSwan | oh my god |
| 23:24.56 | SilentSwan | hahahaha |
| 23:25.06 | SilentSwan | i wasn't expecting there to really be a spank function |
| 23:25.48 | CBG | :) |
| 23:26.38 | CBG | I can help! : |
| 23:26.43 | CBG | :) * |
| 23:26.44 | SilentSwan | i'm sure hehe |
| 23:26.44 | I_Died_Once | is it me or did I see the words "pasty white buttocks" roll across my screen? |
| 23:26.49 | SilentSwan | hahahaha |
| 23:27.02 | CBG | No, you were just having a wishful dream, I_Died_Once |
| 23:27.19 | Aribeth | yep, you saw it, you defently did, thats for sure and certin :P |
| 23:27.22 | SilentSwan | I_Died_Once wait a minute.. what was that about "faking" something earlier??? *grin* |
| 23:27.24 | I_Died_Once | Yeah, I was just wishing |
| 23:27.31 | *** join/#bzflag SC (n=SportChi@ca-redbch-cuda1-c3b-a-40.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 23:27.33 | I_Died_Once | Haaa |
| 23:27.36 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 23:27.37 | CBG | Hey SC! :) |
| 23:27.41 | Aribeth | hi SportChick |
| 23:28.09 | CBG | ~greet SC |
| 23:28.10 | ibot | ACTION says Hello to SC with a donkey |
| 23:28.15 | CBG | o.O |
| 23:28.25 | SC | hiya cbg |
| 23:28.30 | SC | hi aribeth |
| 23:28.39 | CBG | ~greet SC |
| 23:28.41 | ibot | ACTION says Greetings to SC with a smirk |
| 23:28.51 | CBG | that makes more sense.... |
| 23:29.05 | CBG | who the heck greets someone "with a donkey" ? |
| 23:29.19 | SportChick | yeah, that was pretty weird |
| 23:29.43 | CBG | So was the spaking... |
| 23:29.54 | SportChick | spaking? |
| 23:29.54 | SilentSwan | yeah really |
| 23:29.59 | I_Died_Once | I was, but I'm back now |
| 23:30.04 | CBG | stanking* |
| 23:30.09 | CBG | spanking** |
| 23:30.10 | SilentSwan | wiener, not weiner |
| 23:30.15 | CBG | :) I got there in the end. |
| 23:30.20 | SportChick | yeah, typo |
| 23:30.29 | CBG | rofl I_Died_Once |
| 23:30.56 | I_Died_Once | scheizer |
| 23:31.10 | CBG | ibot's starting to freak me out. |
| 23:31.20 | SilentSwan | i'm staying *away* from that bot |
| 23:31.26 | CBG | me too! |
| 23:31.28 | I_Died_Once | I missed something |
| 23:31.36 | I_Died_Once | evidentally |
| 23:31.40 | CBG | I_Died_Once: be glad! |
| 23:31.47 | I_Died_Once | Hey SpotyChick Spice |
| 23:31.59 | CBG | o.O |
| 23:32.00 | I_Died_Once | **SportyChick |
| 23:32.30 | SportChick | tho, technically, it's schweinefleisheschnitzel (ick, that sounds horrid) |
| 23:32.49 | CBG | Sorry, I have to.... |
| 23:32.52 | CBG | ~x de en schweinefleisheschnitzel |
| 23:32.58 | I_Died_Once | I could never learn german |
| 23:33.05 | CBG | bah... what use is this bot anyway? |
| 23:33.15 | cosmos | weinerschnitzel heh |
| 23:33.27 | cosmos | id be afraid to see who supplies that chain |
| 23:33.28 | SilentSwan | mmm... schweinefleisch |
| 23:33.39 | CBG | hi cosmos! :) |
| 23:33.47 | CBG | Im glad to see hepcat back. |
| 23:33.54 | cosmos | i had one of their hotdogs once in santa monica, it had a cockroach in it |
| 23:33.59 | I_Died_Once | I heard that when germans take an eyes exam, they see all the letters and claim to know the guy |
| 23:34.03 | SportChick | cbg, it's pork instead of veal |
| 23:34.07 | cosmos | well its got the dust on it still, not totally back yet |
| 23:34.10 | SilentSwan | hahah |
| 23:34.13 | CBG | SportChick: o.O |
| 23:34.14 | SportChick | cosmos! hiya!! you have been missed |
| 23:34.19 | CBG | lol cosmos |
| 23:34.23 | cosmos | :) |
| 23:34.27 | cosmos | heya sc |
| 23:35.01 | cosmos | when jeffm makes my new user/admin groups i can get pillbox going strong again |
| 23:35.22 | cosmos | hrm brb |
| 23:35.26 | JeffM2501 | you need a new group? |
| 23:35.30 | CBG | You could use the silvercat gouprs in the meantime? ;) |
| 23:35.39 | CBG | 'ello JeffM2501. Lurking again? :P |
| 23:35.43 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:35.49 | SilentSwan | ~spank JeffM2501 |
| 23:35.51 | ibot | ACTION bends JeffM2501 over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on JeffM2501's pasty white buttocks. |
| 23:35.57 | JeffM2501 | watching GunslingerGirl |
| 23:35.59 | SilentSwan | that's better |
| 23:36.02 | SportChick | cosmos: hehe |
| 23:36.05 | I_Died_Once | I think there ought to be a group - alcoholics.anonymous |
| 23:36.08 | JeffM2501 | well it probbly is pasty white |
| 23:36.21 | CBG | SilentSwan: Argh!!!! Do not EVER do that again! |
| 23:36.25 | SilentSwan | hahaha |
| 23:36.31 | SilentSwan | better him than me |
| 23:36.34 | CBG | Not an image I wanted to see at 12:36 AM. |
| 23:36.38 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 23:37.09 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, groups are done |
| 23:37.37 | I_Died_Once | go white boy |
| 23:37.42 | CBG | shakes WHAT now? |
| 23:37.52 | JeffM2501 | my pasty white buttox |
| 23:37.58 | JeffM2501 | just one tho |
| 23:38.00 | CBG | aw man... |
| 23:38.03 | JeffM2501 | you have to pay for both |
| 23:38.17 | JeffM2501 | at least dinner |
| 23:38.18 | CBG | You trying to metally scar me? :) |
| 23:38.26 | CBG | mentally* even. |
| 23:38.41 | SilentSwan | oh no, i'm having a laughing fit again |
| 23:39.09 | CBG | Im feeling sick..... |
| 23:40.03 | SilentSwan | i appreciate it, but i gave that up |
| 23:40.16 | I_Died_Once | did you graduate? |
| 23:40.30 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 23:40.37 | SilentSwan | if i cheat, i WILL get a spanking |
| 23:41.13 | I_Died_Once | I never graduated on |
| 23:41.14 | CBG | Does anyone here like to stay up to 2 or 3AM with music blaring though headphones, talking to random people in other timezones (or other people like thyself...)? |
| 23:41.24 | SilentSwan | yep |
| 23:41.36 | CBG | So, i'm not mad? |
| 23:41.43 | I_Died_Once | I like to stay up that late blaring music through my big loud speakers |
| 23:41.44 | SilentSwan | no more than the rest of us |
| 23:41.47 | CBG | SilentSwan> considers cheating == considers getting spanked...? |
| 23:41.48 | JeffM2501 | spankings can be fun |
| 23:42.12 | JeffM2501 | if done right |
| 23:42.12 | CBG | We dont want to know about your... life, JeffM2501. |
| 23:42.28 | CBG | I_Died_Once: Any specific type of music? |
| 23:42.29 | I_Died_Once | call it that? |
| 23:42.58 | JeffM2501 | hey the kiddes seem to want to tell every thought that goes thru there head, why can't I? |
| 23:44.11 | teh_conquerer | i should pick my nospe |
| 23:44.14 | teh_conquerer | no, dont do that |
| 23:44.20 | teh_conquerer | people are staring at you |
| 23:44.28 | teh_conquerer | oh well, screw them... its my nose |
| 23:44.35 | CBG | yeah. YOUR nose. |
| 23:45.04 | CBG | Okay. I think we went to far... |
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| 23:45.12 | CBG | How can we get Tupone back now? |
| 23:45.34 | simple7 | hi, good place for BZflage newbie? |
| 23:45.45 | CBG | simple7: That depends... :) |
| 23:45.56 | blast007 | either here, or #bzchat (depends on what you want to talk about) |
| 23:46.10 | SilentSwan | no one ever talks on bzchat |
| 23:46.15 | teh_conquerer | bye, cabbage |
| 23:46.26 | simple7 | hehe... just want to know best place to ask about using BZflag during game play.... |
| 23:46.42 | teh_conquerer | the manual :-D |
| 23:46.58 | blast007 | there is the official forum at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 23:47.03 | CBG | bye teh_conquerer |
| 23:47.07 | simple7 | yes, read it... more on ettiquet... |
| 23:47.28 | I_Died_Once | I hate spam emails |
| 23:47.43 | simple7 | thanks, I'll check out the bb... |
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| 23:48.08 | *** part/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust130.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 23:48.13 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust130.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 23:48.16 | *** part/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust130.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 23:48.26 | I_Died_Once | I wonder how many people patronize the business they push in spam emails |
| 23:48.34 | SilentSwan | too many |
| 23:48.46 | SilentSwan | uh |
| 23:49.05 | I_Died_Once | when you finish beating your meat, sportchick... |
| 23:49.25 | JeffM2501 | there is seriously a butcher company here with the slogan "you can't beat our meat" on there truck |
| 23:49.27 | I_Died_Once | beat it again |
| 23:49.36 | I_Died_Once | they say it'll make you go blind though |
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| 23:49.40 | I_Died_Once | so be careful |
| 23:50.00 | SportChick | I_Died_Once: no, I've got it to the right thickness (1/4). Now to assemble the rest of the ingredients for the schnitzel |
| 23:51.16 | CBG | o_o |
| 23:58.41 | I_Died_Once | bbl |
