| 00:02.37 | *** join/#bzflag Alex135 (n=8fcf0804@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 00:02.48 | Alex135 | i have a quick question |
| 00:03.21 | Alex135 | is ther a language file that i can download for my filtering or is their like somone who can tell me how to make one |
| 00:03.42 | brlcad | there like is both |
| 00:04.06 | Alex135 | i wold prefer if somone culd gime a link to download |
| 00:04.26 | brlcad | look in the source distribution, in the misc directory |
| 00:04.35 | Alex135 | in what? |
| 00:04.45 | Alex135 | sry im new |
| 00:04.47 | brlcad | there you'll find a short and long version of sample filter files |
| 00:04.59 | brlcad | you downloaded bzflag, yes? |
| 00:05.03 | Alex135 | ya |
| 00:05.05 | brlcad | from somewhere presumably |
| 00:05.15 | brlcad | well, that's a binary distribution |
| 00:05.21 | Alex135 | ya |
| 00:05.22 | brlcad | you need a source distribution |
| 00:05.25 | Alex135 | ok |
| 00:05.30 | brlcad | which are available at the same place |
| 00:05.43 | Alex135 | and u want me to go git one? |
| 00:06.10 | Alex135 | or am i just stupid |
| 00:06.12 | Alex135 | lol |
| 00:06.17 | brlcad | I have no such desire, it sounds like you have that need, though |
| 00:06.38 | Alex135 | lol |
| 00:07.01 | Alex135 | ok i am gooing to go find it where u said thx |
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| 00:07.11 | Alex135 | bye :) |
| 00:07.18 | brlcad | cya |
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| 00:11.34 | Alex134 | ok i guess i wasent so clear on where to find it |
| 00:11.39 | Alex134 | sry |
| 00:11.41 | Alex134 | wops |
| 00:11.43 | Alex134 | rong name |
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| 00:11.50 | Alex134 | hold on |
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| 00:12.11 | Alex135 | ok im back sry |
| 00:12.24 | Alex135 | aneway |
| 00:12.33 | brlcad | you can just type /nick alex135 next time |
| 00:12.39 | Alex135 | io sry |
| 00:13.14 | Alex135 | aneway i am stupid for resons i dont even know and i cant find it |
| 00:13.17 | Alex135 | :p |
| 00:14.01 | brlcad | couldn't have searched for very long |
| 00:14.29 | Alex135 | i do speed and when i was half way done i realised that what i thaught u meant was not what u ment |
| 00:14.34 | Alex135 | i understood rong |
| 00:14.42 | brlcad | try looking for it with a search engine, you'll find it if you look ;) |
| 00:15.05 | Alex135 | but it takes for ever with google becus i git Millions of results |
| 00:15.12 | Alex135 | o well |
| 00:15.28 | Alex135 | thx aneway |
| 00:15.55 | Alex135 | when i have it i am hosting it on my site that way enybody can find it |
| 00:15.59 | Alex135 | lol |
| 00:16.06 | Alex135 | k thx bye |
| 00:16.18 | brlcad | sheesh |
| 00:20.04 | blast007 | wow, can't even use google.. |
| 00:20.26 | blast007 | "yeah, I put in a vague word, and I get way too many results. so I give up" |
| 00:23.56 | brlcad | well, he'll put it on his site, so I'm comforted that it won't be so incredibly difficult for the next kiddie |
| 00:25.21 | trepan | they gonna havta google for his site? |
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| 00:27.33 | brlcad | trepan: I don't know .. but enybody will find it |
| 00:27.45 | brlcad | whoever that is |
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| 00:33.23 | Silent_Swan | someone had put up a player pics site.. does anyone know the URL of this offhand? |
| 00:33.41 | RPG_ | http://pics.bzleague.com/ |
| 00:33.46 | Silent_Swan | ah thank you |
| 00:33.56 | RPG_ | np |
| 00:34.27 | Silent_Swan | ah, so that's what you look like :) |
| 00:35.17 | RPG_ | ehh? |
| 00:35.19 | RPG_ | oh yes |
| 00:38.51 | orchid | ahh the pool shark |
| 00:39.18 | RPG_ | well not really |
| 00:39.25 | RPG_ | and that's not even my house |
| 00:39.38 | Silent_Swan | and what about orchid... are you on there? |
| 00:39.48 | Silent_Swan | never will be :) |
| 00:39.55 | trepan | RPG_: your balabushka though? |
| 00:40.05 | RPG_ | ~balabushka |
| 00:40.10 | RPG_ | ~dict balabushka |
| 00:40.23 | RPG_ | :( |
| 00:40.30 | orchid | Silent_Swan: yes under "bzg" but menotume complained my pic wasnt any good :) |
| 00:40.49 | orchid | ~seen bzg |
| 00:40.57 | ibot | bzg <~orchid@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 419d 1h 58m 14s ago, saying: 'hello'. |
| 00:41.10 | trepan | http://www.discountpoolcues.com/balabushka.htm |
| 00:41.46 | RPG_ | not my pool stick eather |
| 00:41.54 | RPG_ | I was at the neghibor's for the new hear |
| 00:41.54 | Silent_Swan | nice ring, orchid haha |
| 00:41.55 | RPG_ | year |
| 00:42.27 | trepan | nope |
| 00:42.33 | Silent_Swan | aww |
| 00:43.21 | Silent_Swan | because |
| 00:43.47 | blast007 | I will be, when ever I get a picture of myself, and cover my face with an image |
| 00:43.56 | orchid | :) |
| 00:44.00 | Silent_Swan | i had a pic of myself *briefly* on the bzflag forums |
| 00:44.04 | brlcad | heh, Birdie's got tanks nearby -- good idea for a shot |
| 00:44.12 | Silent_Swan | it has now been replaced with a ... well... a silent swan |
| 00:44.20 | RPG_ | Silent_Swan: i bet one time in my life i've seen you |
| 00:44.26 | Silent_Swan | perhaps |
| 00:44.35 | Silent_Swan | one never knows |
| 00:44.41 | RPG_ | are you north or south of the tracks? |
| 00:44.45 | Silent_Swan | north |
| 00:44.51 | RPG_ | ahh by prairie |
| 00:44.54 | Silent_Swan | ogden/fairview area |
| 00:45.04 | Silent_Swan | yeah :( |
| 00:45.23 | trepan | Silent_Swan: what was the caption again ... don't i look happy? |
| 00:45.24 | RPG_ | one of my old friends lived at the ogden/fairview interesection |
| 00:45.30 | Silent_Swan | something like that |
| 00:45.33 | RPG_ | house got deomonished a few yeras ago for a car shop |
| 00:45.43 | Silent_Swan | ahh |
| 00:46.09 | Silent_Swan | i'm rather close to washington park |
| 00:46.24 | Silent_Swan | that's as accurate as i'm going to get :) |
| 00:46.42 | blast007 | just look for a swan ;) |
| 00:46.48 | brlcad | orchid: yes there is, and it's not just my toes :P |
| 00:46.50 | Silent_Swan | yeah |
| 00:47.24 | brlcad | though you get to guess which is me :) |
| 00:47.27 | orchid | oh under learner mebbe |
| 00:47.31 | Silent_Swan | orchid at least i'm not the only one who wears those things hehe... why don't you have a picture of YOU??? :) |
| 00:47.54 | orchid | I'm shy :P |
| 00:47.57 | Silent_Swan | ah |
| 00:48.00 | Silent_Swan | same here |
| 00:48.10 | Silent_Swan | actually, i'm just paranoid |
| 00:48.15 | Silent_Swan | i make enemies too easily haha |
| 00:49.05 | brlcad | ah, cool .. ginku |
| 00:50.07 | RPG_ | my grandparents live right on prairie |
| 00:50.15 | Silent_Swan | ah ok |
| 00:50.24 | Silent_Swan | i'll wave next time i drive by |
| 00:50.32 | Silent_Swan | all the way down the street since i don't know where :) |
| 00:50.33 | RPG_ | 521 or something |
| 00:50.48 | RPG_ | heh |
| 00:50.50 | Silent_Swan | "Who was that strange person and why was she hanging out the window waving and yelling???" |
| 00:51.07 | RPG_ | "And does that Swan have a license?" |
| 00:51.19 | Silent_Swan | *honk* |
| 00:52.06 | brlcad | RPG_: so, are you any good with that stick? |
| 00:52.33 | RPG_ | in pool, average; against other humans, superior |
| 00:52.45 | RPG_ | is that a really good stick? |
| 00:53.00 | RPG_ | I mean, those poeple are a tad rich |
| 00:54.10 | Silent_Swan | <- loads of excitement |
| 00:55.18 | RPG_ | odd, my Apache service seemed to shut itself down |
| 00:56.01 | blast007 | no, I think he's on FC4 |
| 00:56.04 | RPG_ | Windows 3/4 fo the time, FC4_64 1/4 |
| 00:56.07 | blast007 | ah |
| 00:56.13 | Silent_Swan | Windows has detected Apache Web Server running on this machine. It has been automatically replaced with IIS |
| 00:56.18 | RPG_ | FC4_64 is just a tad unstable for my liking |
| 00:56.18 | blast007 | lol |
| 00:56.49 | Silent_Swan | i like the cute lizard, ok??? |
| 00:58.17 | Silent_Swan | http://bgweiz.at/www/pixs/werbung/suse.png <- tell me that little bugger isn't just adorable... |
| 00:58.28 | RPG_ | heh |
| 00:58.37 | RPG_ | looks like it could be a housepet |
| 00:58.42 | Silent_Swan | yeah, see? |
| 01:01.18 | RPG_ | Silent_Swan: rooting for the Sox? |
| 01:01.44 | RPG_ | They're in the World Series! |
| 01:01.52 | RPG_ | The Super bowl of baseball |
| 01:02.16 | Silent_Swan | the whoandwhat? |
| 01:02.42 | RPG_ | White Sox in World Series |
| 01:04.44 | RPG_ | It's a pretty big thing |
| 01:05.04 | Silent_Swan | sorry, not much of a sport fan |
| 01:05.22 | RPG_ | i wasn't really either, until the sox made it to the playoffs |
| 01:05.50 | Silent_Swan | the only thing i notice about baseball is a bunch of guys standing around spitting and scratching various parts i don't care to think about |
| 01:06.21 | Silent_Swan | what, are you a halibut? |
| 01:07.04 | Silent_Swan | trout, perhaps? or herring? |
| 01:07.16 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:07.19 | JeffM2501 | doing them |
| 01:07.27 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm sure the fish hate being in them too |
| 01:07.50 | Silent_Swan | that's why i have birds... worst they do is poop |
| 01:07.52 | JeffM2501 | water is just freaking heavy |
| 01:07.58 | Silent_Swan | change papers, job done |
| 01:08.05 | JeffM2501 | doubt they'd let me have birds at work |
| 01:08.15 | Silent_Swan | wish they would where i work |
| 01:08.26 | JeffM2501 | they let me have these fish |
| 01:08.47 | JeffM2501 | 60gallon and 30gallon |
| 01:08.53 | JeffM2501 | keeps the evil spirits out |
| 01:09.06 | Silent_Swan | brb.. need to fix something. |
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| 01:09.37 | JeffM2501 | I guess I should not complan, techincaly I just got paid to do a water change |
| 01:12.31 | RPG_ | you also just got paid for sending that last message |
| 01:12.47 | brlcad | suse lizard looks like it could be dinner |
| 01:12.50 | JeffM2501 | that I do |
| 01:13.16 | JeffM2501 | but then I get paid the same no mater what I do or for how long |
| 01:13.37 | JeffM2501 | no OT for me |
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| 01:14.31 | SilentSwan | ah much better |
| 01:18.02 | SilentSwan | #bzflag, #bzchat... now we just need #bzXXXchat |
| 01:18.34 | JeffM2501 | so what color tank you in tonight baby? |
| 01:18.51 | JeffM2501 | have you seen my missile launcher? |
| 01:19.01 | SilentSwan | is that a GM in your pocket or...... bah nevermind |
| 01:19.21 | JeffM2501 | well the game does use the term "spawn" |
| 01:19.27 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 01:20.14 | JeffM2501 | ahh jupiter is such a good peice |
| 01:21.04 | SilentSwan | eh? |
| 01:21.13 | JeffM2501 | holst |
| 01:21.16 | JeffM2501 | planets |
| 01:21.17 | SilentSwan | oh oh |
| 01:21.18 | SilentSwan | yes |
| 01:21.20 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 01:21.28 | SilentSwan | i'm all too well familiar with it |
| 01:21.37 | JeffM2501 | makes me think of a very long climb |
| 01:21.44 | SilentSwan | played cello in a local orchestra once and we did that |
| 01:21.48 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 01:21.55 | JeffM2501 | be neat to hear them all live |
| 01:23.16 | SilentSwan | afk a few |
| 01:23.36 | JeffM2501 | is there any GPL music and recordings of said music, so I can replace the iron chief song? |
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| 01:27.21 | SilentSwan | the wha...? |
| 01:27.45 | blast007 | GPL music...hmmm |
| 01:28.20 | purple_cow | hehe, iron chef song |
| 01:28.23 | SilentSwan | i'll have to find alternative music editing/recording software... i've pretty much given up on mac |
| 01:28.24 | JeffM2501 | like a song I can use |
| 01:28.43 | purple_cow | you're probably a lot more likely to find a compatible CC licensed song than GPL |
| 01:28.46 | JeffM2501 | tho I found out the iron chef song isn't from iron chef |
| 01:28.54 | JeffM2501 | it's from backdraft |
| 01:29.31 | RPG_ | SilentSwan: http://audacity.sourceforge.net |
| 01:29.49 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, that is more sound editor |
| 01:29.50 | SilentSwan | i'm afraid that's not going to cut it |
| 01:30.00 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, cakewalk :) |
| 01:30.01 | SilentSwan | i need something comparable to Logic |
| 01:30.06 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 01:30.13 | SilentSwan | it's windows-based |
| 01:30.20 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 01:30.21 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 01:30.24 | SilentSwan | of course, for linux, there isn't a damn thing |
| 01:30.39 | SilentSwan | once i ditch this mac, i'll have to have a windows box sitting around for music stuff and photoshop |
| 01:30.41 | SilentSwan | *sigh* |
| 01:30.42 | JeffM2501 | saw an article recently on sound/music editing on linux and what was out there |
| 01:30.54 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, vmware |
| 01:30.59 | SilentSwan | yeah.. right |
| 01:31.03 | JeffM2501 | why not |
| 01:31.24 | SilentSwan | i don't want to bring a perfectly good computer to a standstill so it can run XP in vmware |
| 01:31.38 | blast007 | http://muse.serverkommune.de/ |
| 01:31.38 | SilentSwan | i'd best just get a cheap box and put it on that |
| 01:31.43 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 01:32.00 | SilentSwan | anyone ever see the movie Office Space? |
| 01:32.21 | JeffM2501 | own it :) |
| 01:32.28 | SilentSwan | remember what they did to the fax machine? |
| 01:32.32 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:32.33 | SilentSwan | i did that to a laptop last night |
| 01:32.38 | SilentSwan | i'll take pics of it |
| 01:32.45 | SilentSwan | quite therapeutic |
| 01:33.30 | SilentSwan | why's everyone looking at me like that? :) |
| 01:33.54 | SilentSwan | trepan i've lived it in 3 different jobs |
| 01:33.59 | SilentSwan | including the current one |
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| 01:36.04 | blast007 | lol |
| 01:36.14 | JeffM2501 | better with a sword :) |
| 01:36.31 | SilentSwan | maybe i'll try that next time |
| 01:36.33 | JeffM2501 | here it was |
| 01:36.34 | JeffM2501 | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/13/1944255&tid=185&tid=141&tid=106 |
| 01:36.50 | JeffM2501 | dono if its what you need, but may get you in the right dir |
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| 01:37.24 | SilentSwan | oh.. no, not really... i need recording/notation software |
| 01:37.31 | SilentSwan | *sigh* ah well |
| 01:37.34 | SilentSwan | and photoshop |
| 01:37.59 | SilentSwan | i think adobe needs to be persuaded to port cs2 to linux |
| 01:38.02 | JeffM2501 | for that you get gimp |
| 01:38.05 | SilentSwan | hahahah |
| 01:38.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah I know |
| 01:38.16 | SilentSwan | pfthahahaha |
| 01:38.20 | JeffM2501 | the kiddies say it's the same, but it's not |
| 01:38.26 | SilentSwan | it's not even close |
| 01:38.30 | JeffM2501 | tho CS2 and myself still have to come to grips |
| 01:38.34 | SilentSwan | for a photographer, it's useless |
| 01:38.49 | SilentSwan | some things in cs2 i don't care for (Bridge, anyone?)... |
| 01:38.52 | JeffM2501 | inkscape is nice for a vector app |
| 01:39.01 | JeffM2501 | they did what gimp should have done |
| 01:39.15 | JeffM2501 | and looked at the features people need, not crap they wanted to make |
| 01:39.24 | JeffM2501 | we use the bridge here a lot |
| 01:39.27 | JeffM2501 | for our docs |
| 01:39.44 | SilentSwan | i guess it can be handy, but it's just too slow and bloated |
| 01:40.10 | JeffM2501 | for a dept that dosn't have CMS, and one that uses framemaker for layout, it works well |
| 01:40.13 | trepan | http://linux-sound.org (notation section & players and recorders) |
| 01:40.20 | SilentSwan | it's a shame gimp isn't usable for me... since i use all of 10% of photoshop's functionality for what i do |
| 01:40.26 | SilentSwan | thanks trepan |
| 01:40.30 | trepan | might be worth a look, prolly weak |
| 01:40.52 | JeffM2501 | I think adobe is first going to kill all other software companys |
| 01:40.55 | JeffM2501 | then do a linux port |
| 01:41.08 | SilentSwan | apple wants to do a "photoshop killer" app |
| 01:41.11 | SilentSwan | let them |
| 01:41.16 | SilentSwan | then adobe will lose their market |
| 01:41.19 | JeffM2501 | apple wants to do lots of thing |
| 01:41.22 | SilentSwan | then they'll make it up with linux |
| 01:41.37 | JeffM2501 | I belive adobe sells more windows software then Mac |
| 01:41.38 | RPG_ | adobe is already dying, IMHO |
| 01:41.41 | SilentSwan | personally, i'd like to see apple make a Steve Jobs killer |
| 01:41.45 | RPG_ | every photoshop copy I see is pireated |
| 01:41.53 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, really? is that why they are buying macromedia? |
| 01:41.56 | SilentSwan | RPG_ of course... look at the price!!! |
| 01:42.02 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, of course you do, because your a kid :) |
| 01:42.19 | SilentSwan | nothing pirated here |
| 01:42.19 | JeffM2501 | the pirated copies are not in the hands of people who WOULD buy it |
| 01:42.29 | JeffM2501 | so it's not like they are loosing money |
| 01:42.34 | JeffM2501 | most people that have it jsut play with it |
| 01:42.39 | RPG_ | true |
| 01:42.39 | SilentSwan | to be honest, i will buy software IF... and ONLY IF a) I can afford it, b) it's worth it |
| 01:42.45 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 01:42.56 | RPG_ | everybody I knows also downloads MP3's and pirates anything they can get their hands on |
| 01:42.59 | JeffM2501 | so if you wern't going to buy it anyway ever, priateing it dosn't loose them moeny |
| 01:43.10 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, that is becuse you are again, a kid :) |
| 01:43.14 | RPG_ | yep |
| 01:43.15 | SilentSwan | and if i earned a living from it |
| 01:43.17 | JeffM2501 | everuome you know is 16 :) |
| 01:43.28 | SilentSwan | i'm not a pro photographer, nor a pro musician... so .. i can pirate all i want :) |
| 01:43.37 | JeffM2501 | your under the radar |
| 01:43.38 | SilentSwan | yarrr |
| 01:43.44 | SilentSwan | aye |
| 01:43.48 | JeffM2501 | eyepatches are sexy |
| 01:43.56 | SilentSwan | well, i've got the parrot |
| 01:43.58 | bryjen | uhm.. |
| 01:44.00 | JeffM2501 | people steal our software all the time |
| 01:44.02 | trepan | but the peg leg? |
| 01:44.07 | JeffM2501 | it dosnt' loose us money |
| 01:44.08 | SilentSwan | it can be arranged |
| 01:44.15 | JeffM2501 | cus it's soo freaking speaialised |
| 01:44.36 | RPG_ | What is yoru software? |
| 01:44.39 | SilentSwan | yeah, i used to work for a software company... these people would have us periodically check pirate sites for copies of our stuff |
| 01:44.41 | JeffM2501 | cad/cam |
| 01:44.47 | SilentSwan | guess they nailed quite a few |
| 01:44.48 | JeffM2501 | we do that too |
| 01:44.52 | RPG_ | SilentWsan: and if they found any? |
| 01:44.54 | JeffM2501 | mostly to see how they did it |
| 01:45.01 | SilentSwan | that was up to the legal dep't |
| 01:45.02 | JeffM2501 | can't make it too easy for em, there is some pride :) |
| 01:45.07 | bryjen | this is one of the reasons copyright infringement is _not_ stealing. the copy doesn't deprive someone else of one, they just don't make money on it |
| 01:45.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's a difrent type of "take" |
| 01:45.37 | trepan | bryjen: but haven't you seen the ads before the movies? |
| 01:45.59 | JeffM2501 | stealing movies hurts that guy who brings bagels to the stars man!@!!! |
| 01:46.02 | bryjen | trepan: i had my glasses treated to block out the mind control ;) |
| 01:46.23 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 01:46.40 | SilentSwan | i'm happy to live a mostly ad-free life |
| 01:47.03 | SilentSwan | i have ad-blockers on everything. i don't read newspapers or magazines much. no TV. rarely radio. |
| 01:47.22 | RPG_ | Firefox with AdBolock works well |
| 01:47.31 | SilentSwan | yes |
| 01:47.34 | SilentSwan | and flashblock too |
| 01:47.48 | RPG_ | When I go on other people's computers, I can barely recognize webpages |
| 01:47.56 | SilentSwan | hah |
| 01:48.03 | RPG_ | What is this "Viagra" thing |
| 01:48.09 | RPG_ | j/k |
| 01:48.15 | SilentSwan | when i go on other peoples' computers, i stop and ask why the *(&#$ they aren't running firefox? |
| 01:48.28 | RPG_ | a friend got a virus from IE |
| 01:48.37 | SilentSwan | not hard to do |
| 01:48.39 | bryjen | because I'm using mozilla? |
| 01:48.44 | RPG_ | of course he's the type who's confined to the Xanga's and MySpaces of the web |
| 01:48.58 | SilentSwan | bryjen same deal :) |
| 01:49.31 | SilentSwan | i have a very boring and redundant job, so i've gotten to know many dark corners of the web on long slow days |
| 01:50.04 | JeffM2501 | now what to have for dinner |
| 01:50.20 | RPG_ | cheesecake! |
| 01:50.27 | JeffM2501 | a possibility |
| 01:50.29 | SilentSwan | *drool* |
| 01:51.06 | JeffM2501 | tho spring rolls would be nice from there too |
| 01:51.24 | SilentSwan | ooh.. reminds me... havn't had sushi in a while... |
| 01:51.33 | RPG_ | mennhh |
| 01:51.34 | SilentSwan | no place around here to get it that doesn't cost a fortune |
| 01:51.48 | SilentSwan | when i worked in the city, there was a great place 2 blocks away... |
| 01:52.05 | JeffM2501 | what is a "city"? |
| 01:52.17 | SilentSwan | a nasty dirty place with lots of obnoxious people and no jobs |
| 01:52.25 | JeffM2501 | why would you go there? |
| 01:52.32 | JeffM2501 | we call that "the valley" |
| 01:52.33 | SilentSwan | masochism? |
| 01:52.36 | SilentSwan | hahaha |
| 01:52.38 | JeffM2501 | don't go there unless you have to |
| 01:53.02 | SilentSwan | i've been to the bay area before... i liked it... my father moved there a long time ago and started his own business |
| 01:53.12 | SilentSwan | i got left behind in chicago |
| 01:53.35 | SilentSwan | but i don't think i'd really want to live out your way, JeffM2501 |
| 01:54.34 | JeffM2501 | tis spensive |
| 01:54.41 | RPG_ | Personally, I think Illinois is one of the safest states in teh country |
| 01:54.43 | SilentSwan | yeah. and then there's Arnold |
| 01:54.53 | RPG_ | no huricanes, bad floods, mudslides |
| 01:54.58 | SilentSwan | maybe. i've not been to many states |
| 01:54.58 | RPG_ | only the occasional tornado |
| 01:54.59 | JeffM2501 | he'll be gone shortly |
| 01:55.16 | JeffM2501 | mudslides here are only in malabu |
| 01:55.20 | bryjen | until the corn rises up and devours you all |
| 01:55.22 | JeffM2501 | where the idiots build on the hill |
| 01:55.24 | bryjen | RPG_ |
| 01:55.29 | SilentSwan | he did something recently that infuriated me |
| 01:55.41 | SilentSwan | but didn't surprise me |
| 01:55.53 | SilentSwan | arnold, that is |
| 01:56.17 | RPG_ | bryjen: You're probably consuming that corn |
| 01:56.46 | bryjen | i probly live closer to it than you, as well |
| 01:56.59 | RPG_ | you live in illinois too? |
| 01:57.15 | bryjen | kentucky. |
| 01:57.26 | RPG_ | ahhh you guys get the funky blue grass |
| 01:58.05 | bryjen | not so much. but there is farming within 3 blocks of here. |
| 01:58.40 | trepan | my neighbours have some plants |
| 01:58.41 | RPG_ | one state I hate is tennesee |
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| 01:59.51 | SilentSwan | i'm not especially fond of the other 49 states either |
| 02:00.16 | bryjen | trepan: so that's your story when the police arrive? ;) |
| 02:00.27 | RPG_ | hah |
| 02:00.51 | RPG_ | in illinois, you can find weed plants growing along side the road |
| 02:00.58 | SilentSwan | where?!? |
| 02:01.06 | RPG_ | we actually found some in our backyard |
| 02:01.14 | SilentSwan | right.. i'm on my way |
| 02:01.22 | bryjen | "found" he says |
| 02:01.27 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 02:01.51 | SilentSwan | RPG_ i have actively looked... in well wooded areas... |
| 02:01.55 | SilentSwan | none to be found |
| 02:02.20 | RPG_ | I heard from a lawyer, that there is more wild Marijuana in Illinois than planted Marijuana |
| 02:02.46 | SilentSwan | i'll believe it when i smoke...er... see it |
| 02:04.12 | RPG_ | time to relax the senses with a long game of BZ |
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| 02:05.02 | bryjen | ~country .bz |
| 02:05.04 | ibot | Country codes are at http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/websoft/wwwstat/country-codes.txt |
| 02:05.12 | SilentSwan | bah, too far |
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| 02:12.14 | brlcad | ~bz |
| 02:12.16 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bz is Belize |
| 02:13.33 | trepan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-quinuclidinyl_benzilate |
| 02:14.45 | SilentSwan | *sigh* why is it that my evening can be going along just fine.. then one little thing just blows it all to hell...? |
| 02:15.09 | TimRiker | kids are like that. |
| 02:16.10 | SilentSwan | it's not even what someone *said*.. it's what someone *didn't say*... |
| 02:16.19 | SilentSwan | think i'll go to bed now.. bye |
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| 02:16.56 | trepan | i just called... to say... ah forget it, talk ta ya tomorrow. |
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| 03:04.47 | trepan | JeffM2501: just got asked for a .x to .bzw converter, think it a good use of keystrokes? ;) |
| 03:06.30 | JeffM2501 | it's a simple format |
| 03:06.37 | JeffM2501 | but no real modelers support it |
| 03:07.17 | brlcad | eww |
| 03:07.21 | trepan | twas rhetorical |
| 03:07.24 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 03:07.31 | JeffM2501 | I prefer brlcads version |
| 03:07.43 | JeffM2501 | so munchkin boys' brother couldn't fix it? |
| 03:07.50 | purple_cow | hah, .x |
| 03:07.52 | JeffM2501 | there shuld be some editors that import X |
| 03:08.01 | JeffM2501 | he can use other tools to get to a real format |
| 03:08.06 | trepan | there are converters out there that'll do .x to .obj |
| 03:08.13 | JeffM2501 | then he's fine |
| 03:08.23 | trepan | but their crippled demos, or they'll cost him (from what i've seen so far) |
| 03:08.31 | trepan | s/their/they're |
| 03:08.49 | JeffM2501 | hell his editor is crippled |
| 03:08.53 | JeffM2501 | he should be used to it :) |
| 03:09.11 | trepan | heh, one of them nuked every 5th poly |
| 03:09.24 | brlcad | ouch, that's just mean :) |
| 03:09.24 | JeffM2501 | hah |
| 03:09.31 | trepan | shoulda pointed him straight to the file, see if he noticed :) |
| 03:09.33 | JeffM2501 | his modeler is limited to 600 faces |
| 03:09.55 | trepan | he doesn't seem to think lighting normals or texcoords are all that important... |
| 03:10.10 | JeffM2501 | yet he asks why his object looks like ass |
| 03:11.46 | JeffM2501 | you saw polytrans didn't you? |
| 03:11.47 | trepan | suggested he find himself a converter, or buy the uncrippled version of his prog. |
| 03:12.34 | JeffM2501 | where did he contact you? |
| 03:12.43 | trepan | from the PolyTrans demo page: Exported 3D files will have every 5th polygon removed |
| 03:12.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:12.52 | trepan | bzbb pm |
| 03:12.58 | JeffM2501 | polytrans is actualy a REALY good app |
| 03:13.26 | trepan | looked like milkshape might also be able to do it |
| 03:13.37 | JeffM2501 | I looked, I didn't see import |
| 03:13.39 | JeffM2501 | just export |
| 03:14.09 | trepan | http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=313423 |
| 03:14.12 | trepan | bottom of the page |
| 03:14.33 | trepan | never used milkshape, have to trust they ain't lying |
| 03:15.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah it can |
| 03:15.19 | JeffM2501 | just did it |
| 03:15.24 | JeffM2501 | tho it's not in the normal import |
| 03:15.25 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 03:15.31 | JeffM2501 | the tools menu is for plugins |
| 03:15.41 | JeffM2501 | but import/export is plugins too |
| 03:15.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah 25$ will get him what he wants |
| 03:16.33 | trepan | didn't go so far as to list possible converters for him |
| 03:16.53 | JeffM2501 | dude should just learn blender or wings |
| 03:17.22 | trepan | he hooked on gsL like it was crack |
| 03:17.35 | JeffM2501 | it's a horrible app |
| 03:17.48 | brlcad | the fps counter in bz seems wrong |
| 03:18.15 | trepan | brlcad: you try that 5433 server with a cvs build? |
| 03:18.16 | JeffM2501 | heh, you can use BinarySpikes mac 'iBZedit' |
| 03:18.34 | SilentSwan | bleh |
| 03:18.39 | SilentSwan | apple must die |
| 03:19.00 | JeffM2501 | I built it last night |
| 03:19.46 | JeffM2501 | it is "interesting" |
| 03:19.50 | JeffM2501 | to say the least |
| 03:20.15 | brlcad | trepan: yes! smooth smooth on Ti book, giving around 40fps in debug |
| 03:20.47 | brlcad | still got those four corner issues on fog/lighting, but it's minor |
| 03:21.05 | trepan | brlcad: heh, prolly fixed the fps inadvertently |
| 03:21.09 | brlcad | er 30-100fps |
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| 03:22.25 | brlcad | fps reports a number, but using my own timer, it seemed the dt being used by the playing loop was running faster somehow |
| 03:22.48 | brlcad | completely unrelated to the fog, meshes, etc .. |
| 03:22.53 | brlcad | just something I noticed right now |
| 03:23.52 | trepan | how large a discrepancy? |
| 03:25.48 | brlcad | if I tell it to cap the framerate at 30 fps, for example, it's reporting a cap of 50-60fps on fast maps that might otherwise have a couple hundred fps, yet caps properly to 30 on maps that are more detailed and might only have <100 otherwise |
| 03:27.44 | brlcad | if I tell it to print every Nth (e.g. 30) frame with a framerate cap of M (e.g. 30) .. it ends up printing more than 1/s |
| 03:27.51 | trepan | using some sort of frame rate limited in bz? |
| 03:28.33 | brlcad | yeah, adding the framerate limiter "energy saver" option for laptops |
| 03:28.59 | trepan | you're probably just rolling under the last little bit of the set period |
| 03:31.00 | brlcad | perhaps |
| 03:37.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add a fps limit var that might eventually want to get pushed to clients. set it to a default of 30. |
| 03:45.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/DisplayMenu.cxx: add a new 'Energy Saver' menu item for laptops that run hot. presently only enables fps limiting to save cpu utilization. could do more. (modified version of sf patch 1193413 from bearperson) |
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| 03:49.16 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: add optional framerate limiting in order to save cpu utilization (helps laptops run cooler) based on the Energy Saver setting and fps limit. (modified refactored version of sf patch 1193413 from bearperson) |
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| 03:59.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: no sense for the debug block if both are the same |
| 04:02.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: whoops, don't commit testing func |
| 04:07.41 | SilentSwan | d'oh |
| 04:08.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: FPS limit energy saver option for laptops (sf patch 1193413) |
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| 04:15.55 | trepan | brlcad: really think it should be limited server side? |
| 04:16.39 | brlcad | probably not, but it leaves the option open |
| 04:17.25 | brlcad | maybe also interesting for servers that want to force it on/off if it gives any sort of difference to play |
| 04:17.54 | trepan | prolly should limit min in that case, not max :) |
| 04:18.10 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:18.23 | brlcad | well, that'd be yet another perhaps |
| 04:18.54 | trepan | but as it is right now, the client user is stuck at 30fps |
| 04:19.16 | trepan | (or whatever ridiculous value lap-top hating server op decides) |
| 04:19.49 | trepan | s/lap/the lap |
| 04:20.01 | brlcad | yep |
| 04:20.18 | brlcad | it could be made client-side only, i'm not tied to it being that way |
| 04:20.38 | brlcad | or have both and allow server to override |
| 04:21.20 | trepan | ah, so basically add in a new variable later for server-side control? |
| 04:21.34 | brlcad | right, that was the idea |
| 04:22.07 | trepan | might as well make it client side only until then |
| 04:22.16 | trepan | make the server-side a separate control |
| 04:36.56 | uso | strange ideas ;) |
| 04:38.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx: add fpsLimit and saveEnergy client-side variables |
| 04:40.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: use the new clientside var instead of a serverside var |
| 04:41.04 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): bye bye server-side fps limit var |
| 04:42.49 | uso | :) |
| 04:45.52 | brlcad | give that a spin, see what I just broke ;) |
| 04:56.24 | trepan | brlcad: thx for making it client-side, server-side tasted foul |
| 04:56.56 | trepan | p.s. setting it low enough makes it possible to pass through buildings horizontally |
| 05:00.59 | brlcad | that sounds like a problem that should get fixed elsewhere in the code since it's a fairly close approximation of very slow machines regardless in that situation |
| 05:01.37 | trepan | yup |
| 05:04.59 | trepan | heh, where did maxFPS come from? (sitting there right underneath lodScale =) |
| 05:05.13 | trepan | s/underneath/above |
| 05:05.20 | brlcad | dunno, saw that :) |
| 05:05.35 | brlcad | probably from you :) |
| 05:05.58 | trepan | right in the middle of at leat 6 vars that i've added... heh |
| 05:06.25 | trepan | also left the MsgPortalxxx junk dangling too |
| 05:09.06 | trepan | brlcad: wish i had kept my version, fps is off heer |
| 05:09.12 | trepan | here |
| 05:09.48 | brlcad | is it approx 50-60? |
| 05:11.36 | brlcad | though it's not so important that it's any exact framerate, just so long as it's >=30 and significantly reduced to minimize cpu ;) |
| 05:14.05 | brlcad | still, I'm suspicious of the fps .. it "should" be correct or near close to 2x if it's simply overshooting a dt timeframe |
| 05:15.31 | trepan | my hit the frame rate pretty much dead on... |
| 05:15.41 | trepan | it's currently 41-42 |
| 05:15.55 | Pimpinella | TimRiker: does bzflag still depend on libadns1-dev? |
| 05:16.01 | trepan | s/my/mine... can't type at all this evening |
| 05:16.21 | Pimpinella | thought adns was replaced conpletely |
| 05:16.23 | brlcad | how do you mean it hit it dead on? you timed the loop with your own counter? |
| 05:16.47 | brlcad | or something external? |
| 05:16.48 | trepan | think i used a static Tk |
| 05:17.31 | trepan | and a while loop to avoid timer undercuts |
| 05:18.12 | trepan | (which explains my previous tip :) |
| 05:18.29 | brlcad | only thing that comes to mind is that the playing loop is using ticks, and then we sleep based on real-clock time |
| 05:19.09 | trepan | wow, 30 fps is beaucoup choppy over here |
| 05:19.35 | trepan | nvidia on linux might have issues when going under the vsync rate for double-buffered |
| 05:20.22 | brlcad | remember the primary intent is for laptops |
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| 05:22.32 | Tupone | TimRiker: adns is no more used |
| 05:23.40 | trepan | cool, forgotten that i'd created a diffs/ dir for junk i hadn't intended to commit |
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| 05:38.35 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: hmm. you could be right and I just have not removed it from the debian file. |
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| 05:42.23 | TimRiker | I suppose I'll add bc to the build depends just for completeness. |
| 05:47.47 | Tupone | TimRiker: you noticed in the debian spec there is adns ? |
| 05:48.41 | brlcad | hmm, looks like the curl checks use bc to do a hex->int conversion |
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| 05:50.22 | brlcad | that could be decoupled easily enough, though everyone should install bc and use it religiously regardless ;) |
| 05:50.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/configure.ac: "if [ ] " is perfectly ok, but sadly, '[' does mess m4 |
| 05:52.44 | TimRiker | Tupone: yeah, Pimpinella mentioned it. testing without now, then I'll commit. |
| 05:52.54 | Tupone | ahh ok, I miss that |
| 05:52.59 | TimRiker | brlcad: I added bc as a build depend. easy enough. |
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| 06:10.28 | TimRiker | cacaxine is a riot. |
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| 07:20.09 | Tupone | http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/BZFlag.shtml |
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| 07:30.01 | _Manu_ | screenshots are really nice (irony) :/ |
| 07:30.36 | jpa- | lol |
| 07:31.38 | jpa- | why'd bzflag default to lowest quality? |
| 07:32.05 | _Manu_ | for ruinning the game? |
| 07:32.22 | jpa- | IMHO it might be better to default to 1024x768 and a bit better quality, if the machine is not fast enough for high quality in the original resolution |
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| 08:03.56 | Pimpinella | we should send them better screenies |
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| 08:19.10 | trepan | heh, those are pathetic (even for bz gfx) |
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| 08:57.15 | jpa- | they probably believe that is how bzflag looks like :) |
| 09:08.19 | Pimpinella | i tried to help coincoin with a listserver problem, but i don't really what might be wong with it, he could always connect with 2.0.2 client (and still can) but he couldn't with 2.0.4 |
| 09:08.47 | Pimpinella | if he launches 2.0.2 first and then 2.0.4 it works too |
| 09:10.04 | Pimpinella | i made a cvs deb for him and that cient didn't even work with starting 2.0.2 previously |
| 09:10.12 | jpa- | maybe try the traditional port 81-trick? |
| 09:10.26 | Pimpinella | he uses :81 already |
| 09:13.20 | Pimpinella | i just don't understand why 202 works but 204 doesn't... |
| 09:14.45 | jpa- | somebody broke something? :) |
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| 10:32.48 | Ice_Wewe | is it possible to make a map where a black mirror is set when the server's clock is at night, and no mirror is set during the day (as in a script) |
| 10:33.04 | Ice_Wewe | or plugin |
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| 10:34.19 | jpa- | humm.. with the new dynamic color stuff it might be, and atleast with server plugin/crontab script using bzadmin it is |
| 10:34.27 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 10:34.34 | jpa- | if your server is on a linux system the crontab way might be the easies |
| 10:34.36 | jpa- | t |
| 10:34.47 | Ice_Wewe | yes, it is linux |
| 10:35.35 | Ice_Wewe | so would it be possible to have the plugin like fade the fog when its mid morning, and then have it thicken near dusk? |
| 10:36.02 | Ice_Wewe | then set a black mirror, and completely fade the fog for night |
| 10:36.13 | Ice_Wewe | cause if so, that would be sooo cool! |
| 10:36.25 | jpa- | i'm not familiar with fog.. if it is a map feature probably not, but if it is a /set variable it is |
| 10:36.36 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 10:36.55 | Ice_Wewe | jpa- well I included some things as map features, and you can turn them off if your the server admin |
| 10:37.47 | jpa- | well yeah, you can have /set variables in the options section in the map file |
| 10:38.04 | Ice_Wewe | jpa- no I mean that you can overide them |
| 10:38.06 | Pimpi | Ice_Wewe: you can set it using cron and bzadmin |
| 10:38.14 | Ice_Wewe | Pimpi: seriously? |
| 10:38.25 | jpa- | but for example waterLevel can't be modified like that, because it is a map object |
| 10:38.51 | Ice_Wewe | jpa- right, got it |
| 10:39.12 | Pimpi | you can have a cronjob, that starts bzadmin at specified times and let it change settings using the /set command |
| 10:39.21 | Ice_Wewe | jpa- that would be kinda cool though, if you ran a server 24/7, you could have it flood in spring, and dry up in summer |
| 10:39.37 | Ice_Wewe | Pimpi: ok, doesn't sound to hard yet, drop a bomb shell on it |
| 10:40.05 | jpa- | Ice_Wewe: you'll probably want _syncTime and _syncLocation too |
| 10:40.07 | Pimpi | you can also make a plugin to change the settings |
| 10:40.51 | jpa- | plugin might be better if you want smooth or almost-smooth transitions.. otherwise you'll have the bzadmin client either reconnect all the time or stay around |
| 10:41.06 | Pimpi | ack |
| 10:41.07 | Ice_Wewe | jpa- ok. is there a plugin that will do that? |
| 10:41.19 | Pimpi | no, you'll have to write it |
| 10:41.35 | Ice_Wewe | Pimpi: ahhh, there is the problem, I don't program in the least |
| 10:41.42 | Pimpi | ok |
| 10:42.05 | jpa- | learn to :) |
| 10:42.16 | Ice_Wewe | jpa- awww, do I have to? |
| 10:42.27 | jpa- | you'll have to atleast write some shell script |
| 10:42.37 | Ice_Wewe | jpa- python ok? |
| 10:43.01 | Pimpi | there's a python wrapper plugin |
| 10:43.10 | Pimpi | not sure if it's up to date though |
| 10:43.57 | Pimpi | it's cappy's things, and he tends to start a lot and finish few |
| 10:44.05 | jpa- | python would do for the shell script part atleast, if one doesn't want to use sh / wants some more complicated calculations like sunrise/sunset that bzflag uses |
| 10:44.10 | Ice_Wewe | well I g2g, talk to you in about 8 hours |
| 10:44.12 | Ice_Wewe | ta! |
| 10:44.12 | Pimpi | (sry cappy) |
| 10:46.36 | Birdie | ~logs |
| 10:46.37 | ibot | rumour has it, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 10:46.59 | Birdie | links for the log is not working:( |
| 10:47.04 | Birdie | only the stats one |
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| 11:20.19 | orchid | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ works for me Birdie |
| 11:21.17 | Birdie | hmm now it does |
| 11:21.22 | Birdie | i can assure you it didnt 15 min ago |
| 11:21.23 | ToughShooter | yeah, ibot places a ',' at the end of the link, making the link invalid |
| 11:21.55 | ToughShooter | or rather point to a wrong point |
| 11:23.04 | Birdie | oh |
| 11:23.06 | Birdie | i didnt saw that |
| 11:23.13 | Birdie | sorry |
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| 12:02.21 | BearPerson | brlcad, I usually play @ 50 fps, but I've got some heavy iron here too |
| 12:04.51 | jpa- | heavy iron == Fe isotope 56? :) |
| 12:05.14 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 12:09.53 | Birdie | meacan: cause grumbler is/was one of the big "yes people" for remoing player scores in ctf servers |
| 12:11.11 | meacan | Birdie: oh. ok. This have been discussed before? |
| 12:11.36 | Birdie | hmm once on irc |
| 12:11.39 | Birdie | but months ago |
| 12:11.43 | Birdie | i think |
| 12:11.53 | Birdie | when meno was planning to change the score lay out |
| 12:12.15 | meacan | i think people are too stubborn to even look at my arguments :) So it will never happen |
| 12:12.38 | Birdie | i do look at them |
| 12:12.53 | Birdie | but removing playerscores on ctf servers i'm totally against |
| 12:13.12 | meacan | but do you think it solves the problem? |
| 12:13.43 | Birdie | removing them? |
| 12:13.45 | Birdie | hmm |
| 12:13.46 | Birdie | i dont know |
| 12:14.03 | meacan | i think thats a more interesting for now |
| 12:14.22 | meacan | solutions need to solve the problem, otherwise they arent worth much |
| 12:14.31 | Birdie | true |
| 12:14.39 | Birdie | is why we need other ideas, like i gave one:) |
| 12:14.53 | meacan | which i argued wouldnt solve it |
| 12:15.18 | Birdie | hmm i dont know |
| 12:15.29 | meacan | if the solution is to remove player scores and its the only solution (likes just think so for a min).. and you think its a too high price to pay. Then the question is, is ffa a part of ctf. |
| 12:15.32 | Birdie | both ideas (this and the removing player scores) can help but we dont know |
| 12:15.47 | Birdie | ffa will always be a part of ctf |
| 12:15.57 | meacan | I dont belive it have to be |
| 12:16.12 | meacan | but you can argue for and against ideas without trying it |
| 12:16.56 | Birdie | i _think_ removing playerscores will get much rumour and people against it |
| 12:17.07 | Birdie | another counting system, people will like more |
| 12:17.36 | meacan | people are used to that feature (playerscores). People dont like having taken away features |
| 12:17.50 | Birdie | indeed |
| 12:17.52 | meacan | but still, would it solve the problem? what is the problem with it, gameplay wise? |
| 12:18.07 | meacan | and people always is against such changes, sometimes they just need to get used to it |
| 12:18.37 | Birdie | you want to make the game as attractive as possible, cause a game stands or falls with much people playing it or not. If you remove playerscores, many people wont play on those servers in my vieuw |
| 12:19.47 | meacan | well, they might be playing too much ffa on ctf servers then. IF they really leave. I dont think that many will leave, some might, but alot will complain. |
| 12:20.03 | Birdie | indeed and i doubt we want so much complaining |
| 12:20.24 | meacan | not if it would improve gameplay for ctf server in the long run? |
| 12:20.44 | Birdie | you cant know that |
| 12:20.54 | Birdie | most people always want to see "how they are doing" |
| 12:20.57 | Birdie | => player scores |
| 12:21.00 | meacan | no |
| 12:21.01 | meacan | team score |
| 12:21.05 | meacan | its ctf |
| 12:21.08 | Birdie | ehm..no |
| 12:21.11 | Birdie | well it SHOULD be like that |
| 12:21.15 | Birdie | but how many look at that |
| 12:21.17 | meacan | a teamsport. Nobody forbids you to play ffa |
| 12:21.18 | Birdie | 5% of the players? |
| 12:21.36 | Birdie | many play for score and will grab a flag or cover when they are around |
| 12:21.52 | Birdie | i dont have problems to admit i'm like that to (mostly, somethimes i try to play mostly ctf) |
| 12:22.13 | meacan | why not then play more ffa, its what is there for? |
| 12:22.25 | meacan | different game modes, for different goals |
| 12:22.51 | Birdie | cause i like the maps is one |
| 12:22.59 | Birdie | cause ffa is mostly more than 2 or 3 shots |
| 12:23.31 | meacan | thats not a good argument, imho. If more people feel like that, they would appear |
| 12:23.31 | Birdie | and cause i DO play teamplay, but maybe not as much as i should (like propably so many players) |
| 12:23.54 | Birdie | can you name some good ffa servers with 3 shots? |
| 12:24.20 | meacan | no, but i didnt say they exists - you can (ab)use ctf servers |
| 12:24.35 | meacan | but they would appear if there is a need for it, im sure |
| 12:25.20 | Birdie | many people use ctf servers for ffa |
| 12:25.27 | Birdie | but not many wouldnt shoot at the guy with their flag |
| 12:25.33 | Birdie | if they are around |
| 12:25.33 | meacan | which is the problem people are trying to solve.. |
| 12:25.41 | Birdie | so most people do a "bit" teamplay always |
| 12:26.26 | meacan | so what you are really saying, that there is no problem. |
| 12:26.40 | Birdie | i am not saying that |
| 12:26.48 | Birdie | although it might have looked like it:) |
| 12:27.10 | meacan | anyway, this is too much about feelings and too little about arguments. :( |
| 12:27.17 | Birdie | there should be more ctf play on ctf servers where the giving points for grabbing flags and capturing flags is a good idea for |
| 12:27.42 | Birdie | well somethimes you have to trust your feelings about it, and using practical experience |
| 12:28.16 | meacan | saying "i dont like that idea" isnt something that will change my mind to see that my idea is poor |
| 12:28.30 | meacan | telling me situations that it is a bad solution for, will however |
| 12:29.20 | Birdie | i'll edit my post than.. |
| 12:29.24 | meacan | nono |
| 12:29.27 | meacan | dont do that :) |
| 12:30.11 | meacan | we are not solving the same problem |
| 12:30.30 | meacan | which basically is where we dont agree. |
| 12:30.53 | Birdie | we both want to change the ctf on ctf servers, but we both have different ideas how |
| 12:31.02 | Birdie | the ctf game play* |
| 12:31.20 | meacan | You're trying to changin athe about of ffa on ctf. Im trying to eliminate ffa on ctf. |
| 12:31.35 | meacan | Comparing solutions for two different problems isnt useful :) |
| 12:34.35 | meacan | i see two possibilities .. A "team-matters-only" and a "i-matter-only". The latter would be ffa with only rogues. CTF would be the closest that we got to "team-matter-only". Now, What the threads is about is where ctf should be located in btween the two. And we clearly dosnt put them at the same point :) |
| 12:36.55 | Birdie | you would get waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much complainings if you put all ctf server without playerscores |
| 12:37.05 | Birdie | and we all want to make the game as attractive as possible |
| 12:37.51 | Birdie | what you say _can_ be the best solution |
| 12:37.59 | Birdie | IF you want ctf servers with only ctf |
| 12:38.10 | Birdie | but you would get to much complainings, and upset people |
| 12:42.20 | meacan | as i said, i want CTF to be CTF, FFA to be FFA. Rabbit to be rabbit-style. If you follow my line from before, CTF would be "team-matters-only" and rabbit would be "players-matter-only". FFA would be in between. You like make/keep CTF to be a variant of FFA. |
| 12:43.00 | meacan | Thats were we differ, and thats why we're solving to different problems. imho |
| 12:43.53 | meacan | anyway, i know im outnumbered. i just wanted to make a suggestion _I_ think would work. |
| 12:45.13 | Birdie | same here |
| 12:45.21 | Birdie | i'm not saying my suggestion is the best |
| 12:45.29 | Birdie | i can be completely wrong |
| 12:45.33 | Birdie | i can only say what i think |
| 12:45.35 | Pimpi | meacan: i see also a "teams play for score" mode |
| 12:45.51 | Birdie | so people can choose? |
| 12:45.58 | Birdie | player scores or teamscores? |
| 12:46.01 | Pimpi | no ctf |
| 12:46.10 | Pimpi | teamscores |
| 12:46.48 | meacan | Pimpi: dont ruin my line :-) |
| 12:47.03 | Pimpi | but ppl _want_ to play for personal score on ctf maps, so whats wrong about it? |
| 12:47.37 | Birdie | just give the people who like to play for ctf, points for capturing? so they are happy their sweat is not for nothing? |
| 12:47.37 | jpa- | if the other team decides not to care about invidual scores and to capture, the other has to start CTF:n soon too :) |
| 12:48.00 | meacan | people feel that doing teamplay isnt rewarded, compared to just ffa'ing away |
| 12:49.09 | Pimpi | it'd be easy to make the soreboard show no personal score and replacing personal score in the upper left by team (ctf) score |
| 12:49.17 | blast007 | CTF is about supporting your team, and taking risks in order to save your flag, not about personal score (at least, that's how I play it) |
| 12:49.44 | Birdie | blast: thats how it SHOULD be played |
| 12:49.46 | blast007 | what good is a player with 50 points, whose team score is at -90? |
| 12:49.58 | Pimpi | so you could make servers that don't fit for personal score hunters |
| 12:50.08 | jpa- | should be some way to score inviduals for benefits made for the team :) |
| 12:50.19 | Chestal | well, the team score is mostly useless because the history usually contains extended periods of time where the teams have been very uneven |
| 12:50.35 | Chestal | I never look on the team score on DUB for example |
| 12:50.50 | meacan | thats why i suggested that ctf should be timed games :) |
| 12:51.06 | Pimpi | captures could "expire" |
| 12:51.06 | Chestal | I treasure every single capture, though, at least if it is a challenge |
| 12:51.29 | Pimpi | so only the captures of the last 30 minutes could be shown |
| 12:52.41 | meacan | or the score is reset every 30/60 mins - giving both teams a fresh start |
| 12:53.07 | Pimpi | i'd prefer the expire version |
| 12:53.25 | meacan | fyi: this was the thread this originated from (this time) http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=55661 |
| 12:53.28 | Chestal | I still like the idea of that good old ELO-like ladder system, but it also has some problems |
| 12:53.31 | Birdie | thats always better than seeing a 124-455 for ctf score:) |
| 12:54.44 | meacan | either way works for me. :) |
| 12:55.20 | Pimpi | http://balin.pimpi.org/newzelo.txt <== i suggested this one as modification to the 1vs1 ZELO system |
| 12:55.34 | brlcad | BearPerson: understood, the value can be adjusted -- I'm just more inclined to find a single generally useful value that providing a slider of values since there really is just two primary uses (constant fps and minimized fps for laptops) |
| 12:55.53 | BearPerson | well, I use it as constant 50 fps here |
| 12:55.57 | Pimpi | bbl |
| 12:56.04 | BearPerson | gets bzflag running very nicely even on a loaded system |
| 12:56.04 | brlcad | both of which should be attainable, I think, with one value |
| 12:56.12 | brlcad | is this a laptop? |
| 12:56.29 | BearPerson | while it had something analoguous to 8x10 frames before |
| 12:56.33 | BearPerson | a regular desk box |
| 12:56.46 | meacan | isnt the "worse" problem of elo-related rating, that people doesnt understand how they work? (compared to eg the current score) |
| 12:56.51 | BearPerson | meaning you have the impression of 8 fps, but it says it's rendering 80 |
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| 12:57.13 | BearPerson | so it's rendering 10, sleeping for a bit per command of scheduler, rendering 10 more... |
| 12:57.47 | BearPerson | while it sleeping by itself gets it running more smoothly, and free up more CPU for the compile at the same time |
| 12:58.08 | BearPerson | http://pastebin.ca/25831 <<this is the function I used in the end, note the sanity-checking comparison |
| 12:58.27 | Chestal | meacan: and as is, ELO is really only useful for a persistent rating. We'd need something derived for a current score |
| 12:58.32 | BearPerson | without it, after some slow frames, it might run at top fps for half a minute trying to "catch up" |
| 12:58.51 | brlcad | BearPerson: I initially used that idleSleep but it had a couple issues |
| 12:59.00 | BearPerson | such as? |
| 12:59.19 | BearPerson | it worked really beautifully here (maybe after some adjustments that never made it to sf, sorry about that) |
| 12:59.21 | brlcad | aside from the 2 magic values, it didn't maintain the fps at a requested rate |
| 12:59.38 | BearPerson | the -1, 1, 0.5 being magic values? |
| 12:59.46 | BearPerson | they shouldn't get used on a sane system anyway |
| 12:59.59 | brlcad | the 0.5 was the concerning one |
| 13:00.01 | BearPerson | they only get used when things get seriously off |
| 13:00.21 | BearPerson | the actual tunable is the parameter it gets called with |
| 13:00.40 | brlcad | right, but it wasn't working :) |
| 13:00.52 | brlcad | some maps it would work, others it wouldn't |
| 13:00.55 | BearPerson | it was here... what may have caused it to stop working? |
| 13:01.59 | brlcad | plus the custom modification to TimeKeeper isn't the best approach as that is game logic and timekeeper is generic -- the behavior of the function changes the more frequently I call it too |
| 13:02.19 | BearPerson | okay, you can rip out the code and put it in playing.cxx |
| 13:02.23 | brlcad | that can all be resolved by just pulling it out and making it use a static TimeKeeper, but it's the same end result |
| 13:02.38 | BearPerson | it's supposed to be called once per frame |
| 13:03.16 | brlcad | i know - but that just means timekeeper isn't where it probably belongs |
| 13:03.17 | BearPerson | every frame, it advances the time-should-be counter by the time the last frame ought to have taken, and sleeps the surplus time |
| 13:03.25 | BearPerson | yeah, that's true |
| 13:03.51 | BearPerson | I guess I'll have to wait for the patch to go into anon CVS before I can say much more about your implementation |
| 13:04.43 | brlcad | it does basically the same sleeping the dtime, except it uses the dt already computed for this frame instead of recomputing another timekeeper |
| 13:05.07 | BearPerson | so ShouldTakeTime - dt? |
| 13:05.21 | BearPerson | that won't work, sorry :-) |
| 13:05.26 | brlcad | it doesn't try to play "catch up" and only sleep periodically |
| 13:05.52 | BearPerson | periodically == every 10th frame? ;-) |
| 13:06.02 | brlcad | sure |
| 13:06.17 | BearPerson | heh, you really really don't want to do that |
| 13:06.39 | BearPerson | consider the extreme-high-speed machine that takes virtually no time for a frame |
| 13:06.40 | brlcad | stalling the loop inconsistently sound like it's just asking for undesireable secondary effects |
| 13:06.51 | BearPerson | and let it run at 30 fps with that code |
| 13:07.11 | BearPerson | it'll render 10 frames like lightning, sleep for 0.333 seconds, render 10 frames again, ... |
| 13:07.19 | BearPerson | I wonder how that looks |
| 13:07.29 | BearPerson | without vsync |
| 13:09.15 | BearPerson | note that dt is influenced by the time you sleep too |
| 13:09.21 | brlcad | even if the machine's got 6000 fps and we cap it at 60 fps, it's a matter of sleeping consistently 60 times versus 60 times in pulsing spikes |
| 13:09.25 | BearPerson | so you probably end up sleeping every other frame now |
| 13:09.58 | BearPerson | well, I wouldn't call my method as generating "pulsing spikes" |
| 13:10.04 | BearPerson | we could average some more, okay |
| 13:10.13 | brlcad | there's a debug timer in there that tells how long it sleeps - it's pretty smooth on all the servers I tested |
| 13:10.30 | brlcad | until the framerate dropped below the minimum, where it didn't sleep at all |
| 13:10.57 | brlcad | sleeping every frame is amortizing/averaging the cost fully |
| 13:11.13 | BearPerson | well, try making it show the sleeping time every FPS_LIMIT-1'th frame |
| 13:11.29 | BearPerson | oh, it doesn't log when the delay is <0.0001 |
| 13:11.47 | BearPerson | as I said, your sleeping will influence your dt |
| 13:11.54 | brlcad | another idea I considered was sleeping in N places in the playing loop instead of at just one point, to slow the entire loop down instead of just once |
| 13:12.20 | BearPerson | I don't think that'll help much... it rushes through >=30 times a second anyway |
| 13:13.12 | brlcad | sure sleeping will influence the dt -- that's the point |
| 13:13.13 | BearPerson | my main current criticism is direct usage of dt, which is last frame's calculation time + slept time |
| 13:13.30 | BearPerson | it sleeps every other frame |
| 13:13.48 | BearPerson | on a sufficiently fast machine, setting it to 30 fps looks like 15 |
| 13:14.32 | BearPerson | one frame, it'll sleep perfectly the time it should, next frame, it notices the last frame took exactly the time it should and doesn't sleep at all |
| 13:14.55 | BearPerson | so you'll land somewhere vaguely between 30 and 60 fps |
| 13:14.57 | brlcad | i'll have to crank up the debug to test that |
| 13:15.09 | BearPerson | move it out of the if loop, that'll work |
| 13:15.23 | BearPerson | and don't log exactly every FPS_LIMIT frames |
| 13:16.28 | BearPerson | my suggestion would be to at least note the amount it slept last frame and sleep by "dt+last_slept - should_sleep" where last_slept is the time it slept last time and should_sleep is the time it should sleep |
| 13:17.01 | brlcad | that sounds reasonable |
| 13:17.43 | BearPerson | it would end up being effectively the same as my method, with less math ;-) |
| 13:17.58 | BearPerson | and less points of failure / chaos |
| 13:18.02 | brlcad | and without inconsistent sleeping :) |
| 13:18.09 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 13:18.32 | BearPerson | I think the main bug in the old code was that I didn't have the catching_up comparision in fully |
| 13:20.13 | brlcad | i would have said modification of timekeeper directly |
| 13:21.37 | brlcad | it's not really an issue (to me) whether it can maintain an exact fps -- i mean it could be set to 100 after all, even if it ends up being 50 or 100 or 200 under some circumstances. it still would be sleeping in a constant manner and saving battery life on the laptops by not running full cycle. |
| 13:22.28 | brlcad | anyhow, I'll add the should_sleep and test some more this evening |
| 13:22.57 | BearPerson | lol |
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| 14:07.14 | Birdie | redbaron2: you can learn something from her..a real client:) |
| 14:09.17 | RedBaron2 | lol |
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| 15:09.54 | TheRedBaron | Trepan: at my work computer i have an INTEL 82810E vidcard |
| 15:10.13 | TheRedBaron | if your still interested by the scissor problem |
| 15:10.31 | TheRedBaron | and i'm running win2k |
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| 15:14.53 | SportChick | Birdie: hi |
| 15:18.23 | ToughShooter | Hi SC |
| 15:21.04 | SportChick | ToughShooter: hiya |
| 15:25.30 | jpa- | hi SC and TS and TRB |
| 15:25.36 | jpa- | and DT too |
| 15:26.15 | TheRedBaron | mornin jpa-, nice to see you being civil today :) |
| 15:26.23 | jpa- | civil? |
| 15:26.26 | Aribeth | hi jpa-, SportChick, TS, and anyone I missed :) |
| 15:26.44 | brlcad | aww.. you missed me, that's sweeet :) |
| 15:26.45 | TheRedBaron | !dict civil |
| 15:26.47 | TheLastSpartan | TheRedBaron: wn, bouvier, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: civil adj 1: applying to ordinary citizens; "civil law"; "civil authorities" 2: not rude; marked by satisfactory (or especially minimal) adherence to social usages and sufficient but not noteworthy consideration for others; "even if he didn't like them he should have been civil"- W.S. Maugham [syn: {polite}] [ant: (15 more messages) |
| 15:26.52 | SportChick | Aribeth: hiya |
| 15:27.10 | SportChick | hi brlcad, jpa, dtremenak, etc. etc. etc. |
| 15:27.12 | jpa- | hi A!! |
| 15:27.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: ws |
| 15:27.36 | TheRedBaron | Mornin brlcad! |
| 15:27.46 | jpa- | hmm.. |
| 15:28.13 | Aribeth | hummm...I didn't get a hurumph out him :P |
| 15:28.50 | SportChick | orange: ping |
| 15:28.53 | SportChick | jomojo: ping |
| 15:28.54 | brlcad | howdy howdy |
| 15:28.57 | orange | SportChick: pong |
| 15:29.16 | Aribeth | good morrow brlcad |
| 15:29.23 | jpa- | 7000ms lag.. now calculate the jitter |
| 15:29.33 | brlcad | good morrow to thee fair lady |
| 15:30.00 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 15:30.04 | TheLastSpartan | SportChick: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 59°F. |
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| 15:30.15 | Aribeth | hummm...my brain can't valculate anything this mornin. still half asleep |
| 15:30.27 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 15:30.31 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 52°F. |
| 15:30.49 | Aribeth | mornin SS |
| 15:30.52 | SilentSwan | hi |
| 15:31.13 | Aribeth | mornin orange |
| 15:31.16 | trepan | ~dict falculate |
| 15:31.23 | orange | hello Aribeth |
| 15:31.28 | Aribeth | and mornin trepan |
| 15:31.52 | trepan | salut Ari |
| 15:32.13 | Aribeth | and i cant type yet :P |
| 15:33.26 | SilentSwan | <- barely awake and had a pretty rough night |
| 15:41.42 | Aribeth | .me responds to her ebay auction questions |
| 15:42.17 | TheRedBaron | aribeth: will you ship to my nigerian agent? ;) |
| 15:42.33 | Aribeth | lol |
| 15:42.58 | Aribeth | i get questions like will you ship to france |
| 15:43.58 | SilentSwan | TheRedBaron oh you're in on that deal too? :) |
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| 15:46.10 | TheRedBaron | SilentSwan: you won't belive the profits that come rolling in :) |
| 15:46.55 | SilentSwan | oh yeah... that Alan Ralsky guy told me all about it :) |
| 15:55.31 | SilentSwan | oh look... no job leads in my mail today *cry* |
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| 16:08.20 | Birdie | JeffM2501: can i ask you for thelastspartan in a channel? |
| 16:37.25 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, what channel? |
| 16:43.40 | JeffM2501 | TheLastSpartan, nick Guu |
| 16:43.50 | JeffM2501 | guu flush |
| 16:43.51 | Guu | JeffM2501: okay |
| 16:48.14 | JeffM2501 | time to upgrade the old girl |
| 16:51.38 | JeffM2501 | guu version |
| 16:51.41 | Guu | JeffM2501: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.80.0pre2. The newest version available online is 0.83.1. |
| 16:51.58 | JeffM2501 | damn she's old |
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| 17:12.24 | Ponnyplutt | I need help to compile bz to use my nvidia driver and not Mesa under Suse 10.0! Someone place help... |
| 17:13.07 | jomojo | sportchick: what? |
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| 17:15.09 | jomojo | sportchick: it is usually better to reach me at #silvercat anyway |
| 17:15.29 | ToughShooter | Hi Aribeth + jomojo |
| 17:15.53 | jomojo | hi toughshooter |
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| 17:23.23 | Ponnyplutt | Hello! I have some problems with bz and nvidia driver. Is there anyone here who can help me? |
| 17:24.30 | ToughShooter | If you say what's the problem is then someone may answer |
| 17:25.26 | Ponnyplutt | It is running under Mesa and not under nvidia. I am running Suse 10.0 64 bit. |
| 17:27.25 | JeffM2501 | unisntall mesa |
| 17:27.32 | JeffM2501 | install the nvidia drivers |
| 17:27.36 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to reuibld |
| 17:27.39 | JeffM2501 | rebuild |
| 17:29.21 | Ponnyplutt | I will try, but I don't think it will work. I have installed everything with Yast2 and it says I need Mesa to install SDL-devel. I have installed my nvidia drivers. |
| 17:29.49 | JeffM2501 | once sdl dev is installed, remove mesa |
| 17:30.06 | JeffM2501 | in your X config does it say you are using the "nv" driver or the "nvidia" driver? |
| 17:31.05 | orange | JeffM2501: is there any way you know of to automatically retrieve a list of group members for a particular bzbb group, other than trying to use a web client? |
| 17:31.13 | Ponnyplutt | It says "nvidia" and I got "Load glx" (which nvidia says I must have) |
| 17:31.37 | JeffM2501 | orange, not with out being an admin |
| 17:31.52 | JeffM2501 | Ponnyplutt, does your config still load DRI? |
| 17:31.55 | orange | I should have said a group of which I am a member |
| 17:32.06 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 17:32.14 | JeffM2501 | umm under usergroups it shoudl list all the groups you are in |
| 17:32.18 | JeffM2501 | and I think all there members |
| 17:32.24 | JeffM2501 | unless the group is hidden |
| 17:32.43 | orange | yeah, but no other interface to pull it out, kinda like the (awesome) login interface you can use for other sites? |
| 17:32.49 | orange | (which works great :-) |
| 17:33.12 | JeffM2501 | orange, no |
| 17:33.16 | orange | ok, thanks |
| 17:33.20 | orange | screen-scraping it is, then |
| 17:33.40 | Ponnyplutt | No LOad DRI is not there |
| 17:37.55 | Ponnyplutt | Everything in the configure run goes fine except 1 catastrofic thing: configure: WARNING: Client build has been requ ested, but GL is not fully available (missing gl.h) |
| 17:37.55 | Ponnyplutt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.29 | Tupone | Ponnyplutt: do a "glxinfo" |
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| 17:38.45 | Ponnyplutt | glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:39.02 | Tupone | You have problem :) |
| 17:39.09 | Ponnyplutt | lol! |
| 17:39.21 | Tupone | glxinfo does not come from bzflag :) |
| 17:39.31 | Tupone | what distribution? |
| 17:39.36 | Ponnyplutt | Shall I install the nvidia driver from nvidia and not from Yast? |
| 17:39.47 | Ponnyplutt | Suse 10.0 64bit |
| 17:39.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah that mesa isprobalby screwing you up |
| 17:40.10 | Tupone | Seems you are missing libGLU :) |
| 17:40.11 | JeffM2501 | ethe that or it's not linked with the right stuff |
| 17:40.16 | Ponnyplutt | I have uninstalled it (had to ignore some dependencies |
| 17:40.46 | Tupone | type glxinfo |
| 17:40.59 | Tupone | type type glxinfo |
| 17:41.19 | Ponnyplutt | Then I got the wonderful error: glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:41.42 | Tupone | type: type glxinfo |
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| 17:42.35 | Ponnyplutt | I can't (it asks me if I am meaning for mtype glxinfo) |
| 17:42.49 | Tupone | which glxinfo |
| 17:43.13 | Tupone | type: which glxinfo |
| 17:43.22 | Ponnyplutt | glxinfo is /usr/bin/X11/glxinfo |
| 17:43.29 | Ponnyplutt | I ran it as root now :) |
| 17:43.31 | Tupone | ldd /usr/bin/X11/glxinfo |
| 17:43.53 | Ponnyplutt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.53 | Ponnyplutt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.53 | Ponnyplutt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.53 | Ponnyplutt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.53 | Ponnyplutt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.54 | Ponnyplutt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.56 | Ponnyplutt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.58 | Ponnyplutt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.00 | Ponnyplutt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.01 | Tupone | you should have some library, libke libGL stop |
| 17:44.07 | Tupone | stop |
| 17:44.09 | Tupone | :) |
| 17:44.35 | Ponnyplutt | I cut an pasted. It is the first time I use IRC :) |
| 17:44.52 | Tupone | you are missing both libGL and libGLU. |
| 17:44.56 | Alex135 | ok it seems i am kinda a n00b at this but i have a realy stupid quiestion that i cant figur out lol what do i put into the conf file to limit the number of people per team? |
| 17:45.06 | Tupone | The first time I did it, I was kicked off the channel :) |
| 17:45.19 | trepan | Alex135: -mp |
| 17:45.45 | Tupone | Ponnyplutt: install the nvidia drivers |
| 17:45.46 | Ponnyplutt | I don't know...I ran locate libGLU.so.1 and got /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1, but I am running updatedb to be sure |
| 17:46.10 | Tupone | find / -name libGL.so\* |
| 17:46.19 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, how many people do you want on what teams? |
| 17:46.22 | Ponnyplutt | I have (after uninstalling the Mesa things) updated the nvidia drivers through Yast. |
| 17:46.44 | Ponnyplutt | Yeah...I am missing libGLU |
| 17:47.00 | Ponnyplutt | I think I run the nvidia drivers (and not those handy from Yast2) |
| 17:47.42 | Tupone | are you missing libGL also ? |
| 17:48.09 | Ponnyplutt | Thank you for helping me! I hope I can make it now (otherwise I return :) |
| 17:48.15 | Ponnyplutt | Yes I am missing libGL too |
| 17:48.40 | Tupone | ok, come back when you need |
| 17:48.53 | Ponnyplutt | Thanks once again, but to install the nvidia drivers from nvidia I must exit Xorg. I be back! |
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| 17:56.27 | Ponnyplutt | I am back :( |
| 17:56.52 | Ponnyplutt | I now got libGL and gl.h but the same thing... |
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| 18:01.48 | Tupone | Ponnyplutt: glxinfo ? |
| 18:02.17 | Tupone | works? |
| 18:02.30 | Ponnyplutt | No: glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:02.40 | Tupone | do you have libGLU ? |
| 18:02.50 | Ponnyplutt | If I run ldd ...glxinfo I go: libGLU.so.1 => not found |
| 18:03.03 | Tupone | while you find libGL ? |
| 18:03.07 | Ponnyplutt | I can't find it either and nvidia doesn't install it |
| 18:03.26 | Ponnyplutt | Both in /usr/lib64 and /usr/lib |
| 18:03.29 | Tupone | find / -name libGL.so\* |
| 18:05.21 | Ponnyplutt | I got /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.7676, /usr/lib/libGL.so.1, /usr/lib/libGL.so + the same in /usr/lib64 + some in my debian dist |
| 18:06.00 | Tupone | find / -name libGLU.so\* |
| 18:06.33 | Ponnyplutt | The strange thing in this error (configure: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully available (missing gl.h)) is that I got gl.h in /usr/include/GL/gl.h |
| 18:06.54 | Tupone | :) bad warning. sorry |
| 18:07.14 | Ponnyplutt | It is :) |
| 18:08.12 | Ponnyplutt | When I run a bzflag from an rpm installation (I think 2.0.2) it complians on this libGLU (missing). |
| 18:08.48 | Ponnyplutt | What provides this libGLU? Don't say Mesa or I will start cry :) |
| 18:08.52 | Tupone | find / -name libGLU.so\* ? |
| 18:09.14 | Tupone | you have to reinstall glu from package |
| 18:09.56 | Ponnyplutt | I cn only find libGLU from my debian dist, not in Suse. I will try to reinstall GLU. |
| 18:10.33 | Tupone | as your problem is a very popular problem, you can google for it, citing nvidia, and Suse amd64. I think you'll find better info |
| 18:10.50 | Tupone | when glxinfo work with direct rendering you can come back here :) |
| 18:10.55 | orange | JeffM2501: if someone were to create a version of the group list program that kept the original code to do authentication/authorization, but stripped out all the navs, html, and pagination, and just listed out the member names, would you be willing to consider installing that on the bzbb server? |
| 18:11.15 | Ponnyplutt | Okey! Thanks for your help. |
| 18:11.35 | Alex135 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.42 | Alex135 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.49 | JeffM2501 | what do you need group listing for? |
| 18:12.11 | orange | as with other sites, we like to keep a list of admins on our website (silvercat) and in /help files in-game |
| 18:12.19 | orange | they're *always* wrong, almost by definition |
| 18:12.26 | JeffM2501 | and you don't want to use the login thing? |
| 18:12.29 | orange | bzbb is the authoritative source now, and it's darned inconvenient to get the info |
| 18:12.42 | JeffM2501 | orange, tell me about it :) |
| 18:13.00 | orange | the login thing works great for authenticating users to get to things... I use it to allow certain groups access to a web-based log searcher |
| 18:13.01 | JeffM2501 | we don't want people scanning the userdb to find out what group everyone is in tho |
| 18:13.03 | orange | it's awesome |
| 18:13.09 | orange | absolutely not... |
| 18:13.13 | JeffM2501 | woudl help people find the best usernames to target |
| 18:13.23 | orange | the base would be the groupcp.php file that is there now |
| 18:13.36 | orange | which already determines whether or not the logged in user is allowed to see the list of names for a given group |
| 18:13.36 | JeffM2501 | the login thing can check groups when it verifiys the token |
| 18:13.48 | ToughShooter | how would it be when you have to pass a username and password to the interface? |
| 18:14.07 | orange | yes, but I want it in reverse... I want to publish a list of members of silvercat.admin via a cron job |
| 18:14.16 | ToughShooter | So only if you know the correct member's password you would get any output |
| 18:14.27 | orange | that list would go into a help file for in-game use, and also on a web page |
| 18:15.16 | orange | right, the script to parse the data would have to log in first as a user who is already allowed to get that list via groupcp.php |
| 18:15.58 | JeffM2501 | what would be cool would be a thing that would take a login, and list the members of a group only if that login was the maintainer of the group |
| 18:16.06 | JeffM2501 | but really that is all Tim's stuff |
| 18:16.12 | orange | yes... that's exactly what I'm proposing |
| 18:16.16 | JeffM2501 | so what ever he wants to do |
| 18:16.29 | orange | Tim admins the software side of bzbb? |
| 18:16.53 | JeffM2501 | tim did all the global login stuff |
| 18:16.59 | ToughShooter | Hmm, Nid is hosting it, IIRC |
| 18:17.00 | JeffM2501 | and the database and list server work |
| 18:17.05 | JeffM2501 | yes nid is hosting it |
| 18:17.14 | JeffM2501 | but if it comes down to access to the data, that is Tim's call |
| 18:17.25 | orange | who would decide whether or not to install a new php file? Also Tim? |
| 18:17.31 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:17.40 | JeffM2501 | Nid basicly just donates the hosting to us |
| 18:17.47 | JeffM2501 | Tim is responsible for the machine |
| 18:17.56 | orange | ok, thanks |
| 18:18.01 | JeffM2501 | I just do much of the day to day stuff |
| 18:18.13 | orange | board admin, not machine admin |
| 18:18.19 | JeffM2501 | I am also a machine admin |
| 18:18.27 | JeffM2501 | so if he approved the idea I could help you install it |
| 18:18.33 | orange | gotcha, thanks |
| 18:26.23 | Ponnyplutt | Tupone: I want to thank you very much for helping me! I reinstalled Mesa (since a page said that some dists wants Mesa to provide libGLU) and I ran a bzflag from rpm. It was saying Geforce .... and not Mesa ....! I think it will work and I am building bzflag now from source! Thanks once more :-D |
| 18:26.34 | Tupone | np, yw |
| 18:26.59 | Ponnyplutt | Now it is just sound left, but I take that another day, I must play some bz! Have a nice evening! |
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| 18:42.40 | ToughShooter | Is it possible move players away (put them to a new standard spawn point with old flag) rather than killing them with world weapon when a ctf happens? |
| 18:47.52 | ToughShooter | I mean from within a plugin |
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| 18:49.46 | Alex135 | i have a question |
| 18:49.59 | Alex135 | where can i find a baned user file? |
| 18:50.33 | jpa- | can you be more specific? |
| 18:50.34 | Alex135 | i dont want to half to manulay enter in all the baned users that have ben baned for other things on other servers |
| 18:50.57 | jpa- | there is a global bans file somewhere, your server should use it automatically |
| 18:50.58 | ToughShooter | ~spell baned |
| 18:51.14 | jpa- | but not many abusers get to that one |
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| 18:51.41 | Alex135 | well i dont think my server automaticly uses i |
| 18:51.53 | Alex135 | it* |
| 18:52.00 | jpa- | why not? nothing on /banlist? |
| 18:52.10 | Alex135 | ya nothing |
| 18:52.37 | jpa- | put -masterBanURL http://bzflag.org/master-bans.txt in the server config |
| 18:52.54 | Alex135 | thx |
| 18:53.02 | Thumper_ | jpa-: hi |
| 18:53.20 | jpa- | Thumper_: hi |
| 18:53.54 | jpa- | Thumper_: yeah, i used your server to check if the /banlist command exists :) |
| 18:54.02 | Thumper_ | ? |
| 18:54.08 | Thumper_ | does it? |
| 18:55.17 | jpa- | yes |
| 18:55.33 | Thumper_ | jpa-: trepan's suggestions fixes my bzflag client with ATI drivers |
| 18:55.45 | Thumper_ | in case you missed it |
| 18:56.18 | jpa- | oki |
| 18:56.35 | jpa- | that comp constantly crashes with ATI drivers anyway |
| 18:59.56 | Alex135 | is their a example groups file that somone has so i can set up my groups on my server? |
| 19:02.02 | Alex135 | ??? |
| 19:02.54 | Alex135 | hello? |
| 19:03.26 | Alex135 | hmmm |
| 19:04.14 | jpa- | bah |
| 19:04.21 | jpa- | just about to paste a link |
| 19:04.28 | Ice_Wewe | I PMed him |
| 19:04.31 | Ice_Wewe | but he doesn't replay |
| 19:04.33 | Ice_Wewe | reply* |
| 19:05.33 | jpa- | i heard replay is still a bit experiemental ,) |
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| 19:07.11 | Thumper_ | replay works fine for me |
| 19:08.26 | jpa- | j/k :) |
| 19:21.24 | Thumper_ | Grumbler: your tv comes with a bar ??!! Where do I get one of those! :D |
| 19:22.29 | Grumbler | not sure, it was just here one day.....but it can even make american tv entertaining |
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| 19:23.41 | jpa- | Thumper_: does that mean i have to move out of your basement? |
| 19:24.03 | Thumper_ | I know there is lots of junk down there... |
| 19:24.09 | Thumper_ | didn't think you were down there |
| 19:24.15 | Thumper_ | *get out!* |
| 19:24.34 | Thumper_ | but leave your pc - I'll need it for the bzflag playing station by the bar |
| 19:24.38 | jpa- | ever wondered all this DoS coming from 192.168.6.66? |
| 19:24.57 | jpa- | my PC has TNT2.. a lot of junk you said.. |
| 19:25.23 | Thumper_ | hey at least it has a video card... |
| 19:25.53 | Grumbler | Thumper_, i wouldnt throw jpa- out.........he may be the only one wow understands the old stuff.........besides, every bar needs a barfly |
| 19:26.11 | Grumbler | err, wow->who |
| 19:26.13 | jpa- | can you call 7fps video? |
| 19:26.17 | Thumper_ | ok... he can drink the pop in my fridge... the beer is mine! |
| 19:26.32 | Thumper_ | well some of the servers down there have no video at all |
| 19:26.47 | jpa- | but i'm not allowed to go into bars yet.. Thumper_ will get some trouble for this |
| 19:26.59 | Thumper_ | not if you were there first |
| 19:27.00 | Grumbler | pop.....pop......where are you from buffalo.......its soda, or coke....or pepsi......not pop......who calls it pop........ok, i;m done |
| 19:27.02 | Thumper_ | you never went into the bar |
| 19:27.06 | Thumper_ | you're just still there |
| 19:27.12 | Thumper_ | after building completed |
| 19:27.14 | jpa- | ooh! |
| 19:27.23 | Thumper_ | pop. canada. eh! |
| 19:27.28 | Thumper_ | soda is for 'merican's |
| 19:27.42 | jpa- | pepsi <3 |
| 19:27.47 | Grumbler | dang buffalo influence |
| 19:27.54 | Thumper_ | I am from CANADA. Spelled C eh? N eh? D eh? |
| 19:28.01 | Aribeth | Coke Cola :) |
| 19:28.20 | Thumper_ | Aribeth: no.. it's either Coke, or Coca Cola |
| 19:28.35 | Aribeth | it used to have coke in it |
| 19:28.37 | jpa- | Aribeth: aw.. kilobug would say Coca Cola company is evil |
| 19:28.37 | Thumper_ | and yes there is some of that down there |
| 19:28.48 | Grumbler | ever notice that americans say they are from say....maryland or new york......but canadians say they are from canada....whats with that....how big is that place anyway |
| 19:29.08 | Thumper_ | it's a small inhabitable part of our country |
| 19:29.08 | Aribeth | lol |
| 19:29.11 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/tmp/SodaPop.gif |
| 19:29.20 | Thumper_ | that is about 50 miles wide and runs the width of the Canada-US border |
| 19:29.29 | Thumper_ | everthing north of that is frozen |
| 19:29.48 | jpa- | and no-one cares where from canada anyway.. |
| 19:29.52 | Thumper_ | nope |
| 19:30.02 | Thumper_ | ok maybe 100 miles |
| 19:30.04 | Thumper_ | 160km |
| 19:30.05 | Aribeth | ahh, see, i did say it right :P |
| 19:30.07 | Thumper_ | for trepan ;) |
| 19:30.23 | Thumper_ | but it's October... shivering is normal |
| 19:30.24 | jpa- | you people wouldn't know where i was from if i said "pöytyä".. and finland is much more important place than canada anyway.. |
| 19:30.29 | Grumbler | you all could have a lan party.....just run some CAT5 between the apartment buildings.........hey you must know trepan, he's canadian.....probably drink at the same bar.... |
| 19:30.32 | brlcad | notice most metropolitan areas call it 'soda' |
| 19:31.41 | Aribeth | lol |
| 19:31.48 | Aribeth | moonshiner :P |
| 19:31.59 | Aribeth | er...ridgerunner :P |
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| 19:32.19 | jpa- | Aribeth: nana, you don't know where we are from, just where we are now |
| 19:32.37 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 19:33.16 | jpa- | i think Thumper_ is subclassed from type.EvilType |
| 19:33.23 | Thumper_ | :E |
| 19:33.53 | Thumper_ | trepan: lol |
| 19:34.06 | jpa- | class Thumper (evil.EvilType) : repr = lambda 666 |
| 19:34.06 | Thumper_ | Aribeth: you can't do that! |
| 19:34.11 | Aribeth | lol |
| 19:34.20 | jpa- | ack, s/repr/__repr__/ |
| 19:34.29 | jpa- | Aribeth: :/ |
| 19:34.30 | Aribeth | jpa- lol |
| 19:34.53 | jpa- | False |
| 19:35.13 | mozul | are there any developers here now? |
| 19:35.30 | jpa- | :O |
| 19:35.33 | Thumper_ | no trepan just went to starbucks on this snowshoes |
| 19:35.37 | Aribeth | just us geeks |
| 19:35.39 | jpa- | now that is very very evil logic |
| 19:36.07 | Thumper_ | to get his iced coffee no doubt |
| 19:36.09 | mozul | do any geeks know if there are plans for BZ to support Multiple Monitors? |
| 19:36.20 | Aribeth | duno |
| 19:36.22 | brlcad | howdy mozul |
| 19:36.32 | mozul | howdy brlcad |
| 19:36.39 | JeffM2501 | mozul, it can now, depending on your card setup |
| 19:36.59 | jpa- | JeffM2501 was going to steal Aribeth's monitor and buy one 19" more.. he'll have to add multimonitor support to benefit from it :) |
| 19:37.04 | trepan | Thumper_: sacrilege |
| 19:37.20 | mozul | I have multiple monitors, but BZ only comes up on my primary. How can I adjust it to use both or use just the secondary? |
| 19:37.28 | JeffM2501 | you on nvidia? |
| 19:37.36 | brlcad | mozul, there's some options you can pass bzflag for different display setups now -- but for proper placement/alignment support that isn't in yet |
| 19:38.01 | JeffM2501 | the windows driver offers many options to it ( at least on nvidia ) |
| 19:38.11 | Thumper_ | trepan: I agree... but they can't keep it warm up here for any length of time |
| 19:38.11 | JeffM2501 | you can have it use one, or both |
| 19:38.17 | JeffM2501 | it's easy to set up |
| 19:38.28 | mozul | Jeffm2501 Im on ATI Mobility Radeon X300 |
| 19:38.40 | JeffM2501 | hmm dono how ati handles it then |
| 19:39.15 | JeffM2501 | the fullscreeen code dosn't use the newer multimon calls to pick the display |
| 19:39.26 | JeffM2501 | it didn't exist when I made the first stuff |
| 19:39.28 | Aribeth | ~lart jpa- |
| 19:39.45 | JeffM2501 | mozul, simplest thing for you is probably to run in a very big window |
| 19:39.47 | brlcad | that's if you simply want large desktop displays still (i.e. bz just treats it as one honking display) |
| 19:39.50 | JeffM2501 | and just trag it over |
| 19:39.56 | jpa- | ~spell dib |
| 19:39.56 | Tupone | hi Aribeth, mozul && SC |
| 19:40.04 | Aribeth | hi Tupone |
| 19:40.19 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, dib = device independent bitmap |
| 19:40.24 | JeffM2501 | and you don't want one :) |
| 19:40.54 | mozul | It would be nice if the extra monitors gave you more viewing angle. |
| 19:40.56 | JeffM2501 | mozul, what you probably want to look for is a way in the ATI settings to tell it what display is 'orimary" |
| 19:41.05 | JeffM2501 | mozul, you can do that by setting the FOV |
| 19:41.14 | JeffM2501 | once you get the context to span |
| 19:41.19 | jpa- | JeffM2501: why not? |
| 19:41.19 | Aribeth | jpa- has one now :P |
| 19:41.26 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, because they are nasy |
| 19:41.43 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, you use windows? |
| 19:41.45 | Aribeth | and fails |
| 19:41.56 | mozul | ya but i have to play windowed. and since my displays are offset and different sizes I wouldnt see everything onthe rectangular window. |
| 19:42.13 | JeffM2501 | basicly check your driver, see if there is a way to make it show as one big display |
| 19:42.21 | JeffM2501 | then you can set the fov |
| 19:42.27 | jpa- | JeffM2501: no, never |
| 19:42.28 | JeffM2501 | it's not pefect but it's all we can do now |
| 19:42.33 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, then you don't have a dib :) |
| 19:42.45 | jpa- | but i just got one from ibot |
| 19:42.48 | JeffM2501 | we really should make a context per display |
| 19:42.51 | mozul | the main annoyance now is that if my mouse drifts to the other window and I click to shoot, I get dumped out of BZ and usually someone else kills me in the meantime |
| 19:42.54 | JeffM2501 | and map that to an in game view |
| 19:43.02 | JeffM2501 | mozul, tell me about it :) |
| 19:43.03 | Thumper_ | he does now... ibot just slapped one on him |
| 19:43.13 | jpa- | mozul: set it to confine mouse? |
| 19:43.26 | JeffM2501 | I'm prety sure that a SDL only option |
| 19:43.36 | mozul | jpa- can I do that in the GUI? |
| 19:43.47 | Grumbler | heh, i have the same problem running synergy, have to shut it down |
| 19:43.51 | jpa- | mozul: i think so, options -> input |
| 19:43.57 | JeffM2501 | mozul, there is an option for it in input settings, but I thnk it only works for SDL ( read non windows ) builds |
| 19:43.59 | Aribeth | mozel, its under GUI settings |
| 19:44.08 | JeffM2501 | so it may not do anything |
| 19:44.12 | JeffM2501 | but it may be worth a try |
| 19:45.06 | mozul | I had confine mouse turned on. Apparently when in Fullscreen mode, it DOESNT confine the mouse to the primary display. |
| 19:45.29 | JeffM2501 | like I said, I think it's only for SDL |
| 19:45.32 | Tupone | mozul: that is a no-op on windows |
| 19:45.36 | JeffM2501 | it does not work in windows builds |
| 19:45.53 | JeffM2501 | I could make it work |
| 19:45.58 | Tupone | unless you want an SDL enabled bzflag :) |
| 19:46.00 | JeffM2501 | it's just some fugly code :) |
| 19:46.12 | Grumbler | and how many tiki-s would it take to do that |
| 19:46.15 | JeffM2501 | then you lose forcefeedback and the ability to set a refresh |
| 19:46.30 | Tupone | JeffM2501: you could build both . |
| 19:46.31 | Grumbler | forcefeedback is glitz |
| 19:46.47 | JeffM2501 | mozul, yeah, we need a system that lets you define a view per display |
| 19:47.00 | Tupone | I mean an SDL and a native windows version |
| 19:47.02 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, or I could just fix the thing to work on windows :) |
| 19:47.12 | JeffM2501 | if SDL can do it, so can I |
| 19:47.38 | Tupone | yeah, but the problem of focus are in bzflag from ages, and nobody solved :/ |
| 19:47.56 | JeffM2501 | if we build windows with SDL, I'd like it to be just SDL, not 2 builds, but I'm not ready to do that yet |
| 19:48.05 | trepan | why isn't windows using SDL again? |
| 19:48.19 | JeffM2501 | trepan, it looses 2 features if it does |
| 19:48.26 | trepan | which are? |
| 19:48.33 | Tupone | refresh and joystick |
| 19:48.36 | JeffM2501 | the ability to set a refresh ( SDL often gets it wrong ) |
| 19:48.37 | trepan | refresh? |
| 19:48.42 | JeffM2501 | and joystick |
| 19:49.02 | Tupone | screen resolution and refresh rate |
| 19:49.05 | trepan | possible to workaround and still use SDL? |
| 19:49.10 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 19:49.24 | JeffM2501 | well there are probable ways |
| 19:49.34 | JeffM2501 | it is just going to take time to make sure it's all cool |
| 19:49.52 | JeffM2501 | that's why I don't want to waste time on 2 builds, if it's gonan use SDL, just make it work right |
| 19:50.12 | JeffM2501 | have to see what SDL offers for multi-display detection |
| 19:50.15 | JeffM2501 | and stuff like that |
| 19:50.23 | JeffM2501 | the windows platform workes fine |
| 19:50.32 | JeffM2501 | except for the features that were added to SDL but never added to windows |
| 19:50.40 | JeffM2501 | like the wheel and the constrain |
| 19:50.56 | Tupone | and the focus |
| 19:51.00 | JeffM2501 | sadly the bzplatform isn't set up to mix and match native and SDL |
| 19:51.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (BZWReader.cxx SpawnPosition.cxx WorldGenerators.cxx bzfs.h): Removing extern from SpawnPosition.cxx |
| 19:51.18 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, we don't really have foucus issues on windows |
| 19:51.27 | JeffM2501 | we minimise when we loose focus |
| 19:51.32 | JeffM2501 | and max when we come back |
| 19:51.34 | JeffM2501 | so it's cool |
| 19:51.38 | JeffM2501 | only really linux had that |
| 19:51.44 | JeffM2501 | so SDL was a fix for that |
| 19:52.07 | ToughShooter | SDL is funny, when I debug my interface I see that the count of bzflags windows get higher per windowing mode switch |
| 19:52.12 | trepan | i see calls to SDL_INIT_JOYSTICK, is it broken? |
| 19:52.31 | Tupone | force feedback is not implemented |
| 19:52.32 | JeffM2501 | it just dosn't support the same level of stuff that native does |
| 19:52.37 | Tupone | but joystick works |
| 19:52.47 | JeffM2501 | force feedback, axis labels, and more buttonts/hats etc... |
| 19:53.03 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see it where platform was split into major subsyustems |
| 19:53.03 | Tupone | JeffM2501: only force feedback |
| 19:53.12 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, SDL has axis labels now? |
| 19:53.13 | Tupone | the other are in SDL too |
| 19:53.29 | trepan | so just force feedback, no 'all joysticks' don't work |
| 19:53.30 | Tupone | Well, dont know what they are :/ |
| 19:53.33 | trepan | s/no/not |
| 19:53.39 | JeffM2501 | no it's never been all sicks don't work |
| 19:53.42 | JeffM2501 | we could swap |
| 19:53.53 | Tupone | well, that is easy to do :) |
| 19:53.54 | JeffM2501 | I would just like to see a little more work done on it first |
| 19:53.58 | trepan | JeffM2501: you should be more explicit :) |
| 19:54.09 | JeffM2501 | I don't like tupones current implemenation |
| 19:54.24 | JeffM2501 | I think it needs to be tweaked, and limits some things that windows people take for granted. |
| 19:54.28 | JeffM2501 | and I think it needs more testing |
| 19:55.00 | Tupone | JeffM2501: it was meant for a temporary patch to let all platform use SDL, and then reworked. |
| 19:55.10 | JeffM2501 | temorary patch for what? |
| 19:55.15 | JeffM2501 | for the limit? |
| 19:55.17 | Tupone | I wanted to use ONLY SDL |
| 19:55.26 | JeffM2501 | I know you do |
| 19:55.41 | Tupone | so, when all platform were gone, we could work on rewriting |
| 19:55.53 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 19:56.13 | JeffM2501 | that's why I said I'd like to see plat split up |
| 19:56.23 | Tupone | so, if you don't like, I hope is just because is undone. Or propbably you don't like anyhting I do |
| 19:56.39 | JeffM2501 | no no, puting in SDL was a good thing |
| 19:56.48 | JeffM2501 | I would have just liked to see you take it further |
| 19:57.01 | JeffM2501 | and removed some of the stupid ways current plat does it |
| 19:57.05 | JeffM2501 | but I know why you did what you did |
| 19:57.15 | Tupone | To change the caller, have to unsupport the other platform |
| 19:57.27 | JeffM2501 | basicly I don't want to have to do 2 builds, I'd rather just wait till it was remade then just use SDL |
| 19:57.41 | JeffM2501 | so go ahead and rewrite |
| 19:57.43 | JeffM2501 | with just SDL |
| 19:57.53 | trepan | but you'll lose refresh and joystick |
| 19:57.54 | JeffM2501 | then once it all works we'll just use that |
| 19:58.28 | JeffM2501 | then those features can be worked around in the rewrite |
| 19:58.39 | Tupone | if force-feedback and refresh is a must, someone has to provide patch to the SDL team |
| 19:58.42 | JeffM2501 | if the rewrite is done right :) |
| 19:58.59 | JeffM2501 | the SDL system dosn't have a concept of refresh |
| 19:59.14 | JeffM2501 | the problem is, the display configs in some windows are just bad |
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| 19:59.31 | Tupone | we could add. I like our work to contribute to other projects, magically |
| 19:59.37 | DTRemenak | joystick is independent and swappable. see LinuxPlatformFactory, which uses SDL for all but joystick if Evdev is enabled. |
| 20:00.13 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, sure |
| 20:00.15 | DTRemenak | it's possible to set up windows to use the dx joystick and sdl or native everything else. |
| 20:00.26 | JeffM2501 | I'd prefer each system to be indepndent |
| 20:00.36 | DTRemenak | big problem is the resolution stupidity |
| 20:00.41 | JeffM2501 | so you could say use SDL for video, native for stick, and something like fmod for sound |
| 20:00.57 | Tupone | indipendent? I don't think we can, with windows. I remember some link between the system |
| 20:01.03 | JeffM2501 | but then that is more of my "manager" style |
| 20:01.13 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, there are ways to do it smart |
| 20:01.15 | DTRemenak | sound should be able to be busted off fairly easily |
| 20:01.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah it should be |
| 20:01.34 | trepan | JeffM2501: you've got to realize that some systems are interconnected at a lower level too |
| 20:01.39 | trepan | sound not being one of them |
| 20:01.43 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, no mater what API you use on windows, it all comes down to windows calls at some point, so you can get the window handle and give it to who needs it |
| 20:01.46 | DTRemenak | keyboard/mouse/window management/video is all kinda jumbled together by both windows and x |
| 20:02.03 | JeffM2501 | yes, sadly events and windows are often interconected |
| 20:02.25 | DTRemenak | joystick is already independent and sound is probably not far off |
| 20:02.54 | JeffM2501 | I think all we need are subssystems for Core (video and events), Joystic, and Sound |
| 20:03.28 | JeffM2501 | and I if we can do an SDL extnesion to enumerate refrehses, then core can allways be SDL |
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| 20:03.41 | JeffM2501 | sound can get the core window handle from SDL and be cool |
| 20:03.52 | JeffM2501 | how does SDL handle multiple displays? |
| 20:03.53 | Tupone | why not contributing joystick functionality to SDL? |
| 20:04.11 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, you could do that as well if you wished |
| 20:04.32 | JeffM2501 | and make it use SDL by defautl as well |
| 20:04.51 | JeffM2501 | but keeping it seperate also lets peope hook into there own custom input systems if they ever need too |
| 20:04.56 | JeffM2501 | like datagloves |
| 20:05.05 | JeffM2501 | or things SDL may not be able to do |
| 20:05.33 | DTRemenak | I've looked at that. sdl uses a very different architecture. I could probably write something up that would work for them for cross-platform FF but I have neither the motivation nor the time |
| 20:05.53 | JeffM2501 | or maybe something better then SDL will come along later for input |
| 20:05.59 | JeffM2501 | best not to tie all things to it |
| 20:06.08 | JeffM2501 | just like you didn't want me to tie things to the API |
| 20:06.31 | DTRemenak | and now I go to class :) |
| 20:07.05 | Tupone | audio is a things that should not be used from SDL ... probably openAL, or something similar |
| 20:07.20 | JeffM2501 | each platform has an API that would be best for it |
| 20:07.33 | JeffM2501 | windows has a core API that can take care of hardware sound |
| 20:07.35 | JeffM2501 | I think we should use that |
| 20:07.44 | JeffM2501 | so we can get surround sound |
| 20:07.47 | JeffM2501 | and stuff like that |
| 20:08.11 | Tupone | if we don't use portable library we have to do the work for each platform :( |
| 20:08.28 | trepan | na, just everyone else, and windows |
| 20:08.28 | JeffM2501 | I don't belive there is a single lib that supports all features on all OSs |
| 20:08.48 | JeffM2501 | it seems hardware support for audio on linux is "limited" |
| 20:09.12 | JeffM2501 | like openAL dosn't seem to do EAX on all systems |
| 20:09.27 | trepan | given up on fmod already? |
| 20:09.35 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:09.38 | JeffM2501 | I love fmod |
| 20:09.42 | JeffM2501 | the new one kicks ass |
| 20:09.52 | JeffM2501 | but fmod would not be a good choce for a default lib |
| 20:10.07 | JeffM2501 | it would not work for the debian inclusion |
| 20:10.24 | JeffM2501 | this is why I think we need the audio systems to be pluginable |
| 20:10.46 | Tupone | eek, please don't force us to use patended or non free things :) |
| 20:10.55 | JeffM2501 | that is why I want them pluginable |
| 20:11.01 | JeffM2501 | so you are not forced to use anything |
| 20:11.06 | JeffM2501 | default be SDL |
| 20:11.11 | JeffM2501 | or openAL |
| 20:11.34 | JeffM2501 | but then on windows, where it's ok to ship an enhanced audio system that can use hardware to ship a bin that uses something like fmod |
| 20:12.25 | JeffM2501 | some OSs are just not going to be able to supprot all the same audio features |
| 20:12.29 | JeffM2501 | and it's unfeasable to emulate them |
| 20:12.31 | trepan | don't need plugins for that, but the extra work might be warranted |
| 20:12.40 | JeffM2501 | I didn't mean a runtime plugin |
| 20:12.46 | JeffM2501 | but a system that is modular |
| 20:12.55 | JeffM2501 | that alows for difrent systems to be built in |
| 20:13.05 | JeffM2501 | like our current "plat" stuff |
| 20:13.08 | JeffM2501 | but not as sucky :) |
| 20:13.29 | JeffM2501 | somone may make a native EAX one for linux that works only on creative cards... |
| 20:13.31 | JeffM2501 | who knows |
| 20:13.53 | trepan | so very little difference really |
| 20:14.12 | trepan | just add more underneath the Bzf platform layer |
| 20:14.15 | JeffM2501 | as dtr said, very close to what we have now, just cleaned up |
| 20:14.27 | JeffM2501 | I've allmost done it a couple times now |
| 20:14.59 | Tupone | I don't exactly like this choise. I did MingW32 porting to enable building without proprietary tool on windows. Now you want to provide special things to people that buy some non free things :/ |
| 20:15.15 | JeffM2501 | no no no tupone, you don't get it |
| 20:15.20 | JeffM2501 | you'd be able to fully use SDL |
| 20:15.23 | JeffM2501 | for mingq |
| 20:15.30 | JeffM2501 | that woudl be the default |
| 20:15.35 | Tupone | I understand. |
| 20:15.42 | JeffM2501 | you would not require anything special |
| 20:15.57 | Tupone | you would use some special software for special build on windows |
| 20:16.03 | JeffM2501 | I could |
| 20:16.06 | JeffM2501 | if I wanted to |
| 20:16.19 | JeffM2501 | to get features that SDL and openAL do not provide |
| 20:16.26 | Tupone | and people will try to get thsi special tools to see the special effects, all with special thanks from the seller |
| 20:16.44 | JeffM2501 | they would have the option of geeting the free lib and building |
| 20:16.52 | JeffM2501 | if they chose not to, they could use the SDL sound system |
| 20:17.00 | DTRemenak | what does not work iwth openal? |
| 20:17.17 | JeffM2501 | dosn't seem to do the eax and suround sound stuff in hardware |
| 20:17.26 | JeffM2501 | that I can see |
| 20:17.40 | JeffM2501 | I'm just using it as an example tho |
| 20:17.48 | DTRemenak | erm. then why does creative push it so much? |
| 20:18.01 | Tupone | I had preferred bzflag to remain GPL :( |
| 20:18.01 | JeffM2501 | more then just creative supports EAX |
| 20:18.13 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, bzflag would stay GPL |
| 20:18.14 | DTRemenak | in hardware? |
| 20:18.19 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, yeah |
| 20:18.20 | Tupone | it is LGPL |
| 20:18.22 | DTRemenak | who? |
| 20:18.29 | JeffM2501 | my nforce4 seems to |
| 20:18.31 | Tupone | otherwise you cannot do that |
| 20:18.34 | DTRemenak | all I know are software impls |
| 20:18.36 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, it would stay that way |
| 20:18.47 | JeffM2501 | I've seen softwares too |
| 20:18.50 | Tupone | I know. :( |
| 20:19.56 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, this would jsut be an optional build system that uses a difrent lib, the soruces would still be l(GPL) and free and open and all that, other Os would just ignore the interface to the closed source shareware lib |
| 20:20.12 | JeffM2501 | that is all within the licenses of it all |
| 20:20.25 | JeffM2501 | I don't see what your problem with it is |
| 20:20.37 | JeffM2501 | people would be able to build on any platform with free libs and tools |
| 20:20.40 | Tupone | I'm very familiar with the license, and I know what you want to do, and what you are allowed to do |
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| 20:20.58 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: nforce4 sound is NOT soundstorm, it's a software-based solution. |
| 20:21.06 | JeffM2501 | ah ok |
| 20:21.25 | JeffM2501 | but I'm just using it as an exmaple |
| 20:21.28 | JeffM2501 | sorry I even mentioned it |
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| 20:21.35 | JeffM2501 | I'll go crawl into my evil hole now |
| 20:22.00 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 20:22.48 | JeffM2501 | but if somone is serious about a console port, then somone is going to have to shove in another audio system sometime |
| 20:23.02 | JeffM2501 | for a platform SDL or openAL does not support |
| 20:23.07 | DTRemenak | I know what you mean about making things swappable, though. openal wasn't around or even really concievable ten years ago. |
| 20:23.14 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 20:23.18 | DTRemenak | who knows what will be here ten years from now. |
| 20:23.25 | JeffM2501 | openAL suports a lot of good things |
| 20:23.36 | JeffM2501 | and I think it would make a creat default |
| 20:24.23 | JeffM2501 | but then it is another dependecny |
| 20:25.25 | JeffM2501 | ahh openAL does support EAX via extensions |
| 20:26.02 | JeffM2501 | there are also some linux specific extensions for suround sound |
| 20:26.13 | JeffM2501 | so even in the single openAL system there may be variants |
| 20:26.22 | JeffM2501 | so modularity would be helpfull there |
| 20:27.05 | JeffM2501 | at least it does hardware 3d sound mixing |
| 20:27.08 | JeffM2501 | that's more then SDL does |
| 20:27.26 | JeffM2501 | no PS2 ports tho :( |
| 20:32.36 | Grumbler | its a great thing that we have an unarmed police force in this country, its perhaps an even greater thing, that a force that is unarmed is able to shoot so many people |
| 20:33.16 | wizatcomputer | but how can it defend against armed people? |
| 20:34.17 | Grumbler | dont know, the song doesnt indicate that ;) |
| 20:34.40 | wizatcomputer | i thought you were trying to start a debate =) |
| 20:35.22 | Grumbler | nope, just an interesting line, in an interesting song......one of those things that make you go "hmmmmm" |
| 20:35.41 | wizatcomputer | yup |
| 20:35.42 | Tupone | like tibetan monks ? |
| 20:35.59 | brlcad | cans of whoop*ss |
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| 20:38.35 | Grumbler | i dont think tibetan monks open cans of whoop.ss |
| 20:39.36 | trepan | Anger Management tells us otherwise |
| 20:39.41 | brlcad | they're sneaky quiet guys .. never know |
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| 20:43.00 | Grumbler | have to beware of those quiet ones |
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| 20:50.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (362 files in 53 dirs): move to a more appropriate repoitory |
| 20:51.01 | Tupone | eek, should expect lot of spam ? |
| 20:51.19 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:51.26 | Tupone | ahh :) |
| 20:51.35 | JeffM2501 | that was a cvs remove |
| 20:52.31 | purple_cow | oww, my inbox |
| 20:52.36 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 20:52.55 | JeffM2501 | remove shouldn't do too much text shoudl it? |
| 20:53.23 | Tupone | nope, about 5 lines for files |
| 20:53.29 | purple_cow | 52 emails |
| 20:53.41 | JeffM2501 | one per dir? |
| 20:53.48 | purple_cow | yep |
| 20:53.50 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 20:53.56 | JeffM2501 | that sucks |
| 20:55.16 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CmdLineOptions.cxx bzfs.h): no more extern on CmdLineOptions |
| 20:56.53 | JeffM2501 | why would it just not bundle them? |
| 20:56.58 | JeffM2501 | or is it just cus CVS sucks? |
| 20:57.41 | brlcad | the commit script "could" bundle them but doesn't -- it'd have to do some sort of time window thing |
| 20:57.48 | brlcad | like how CIA handles them |
| 20:57.51 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:57.58 | brlcad | otherwise, cvs is just per dif |
| 20:58.03 | brlcad | s/dif/dir/ |
| 20:58.09 | JeffM2501 | is there a way to totaly remove a repository? |
| 20:58.19 | JeffM2501 | well a project in it? |
| 20:58.24 | Tupone | JeffM2501: normally you could not in SF |
| 20:58.30 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:58.39 | Tupone | unless there is a legal problem |
| 20:58.41 | JeffM2501 | have to have direct acces? |
| 20:59.03 | Tupone | the Openness of Sourceforge does not provide that |
| 20:59.28 | Tupone | it is part of the agreement .. at least I remember so |
| 20:59.59 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: once code is posted to SF it cannot be removed. the idea is that no source code should ever be destroyed, it should always be available. |
| 21:00.05 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 21:00.09 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 21:00.26 | brlcad | you can via a manual request |
| 21:00.32 | JeffM2501 | tho all it's doing is going from one sf repository to another :) |
| 21:00.38 | Tupone | unless it violate patent or copyright |
| 21:00.56 | JeffM2501 | no biggie, it'll just hang in history till somone gets sick of it :) |
| 21:01.35 | Tupone | JeffM2501: probably, if you explain this to the SF staff, they will for you |
| 21:01.46 | JeffM2501 | do you think it's that important? |
| 21:01.47 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: if you wanted it moved from one project to another you should have filed a support request :) they can move complete with history, and clean up afterwards. |
| 21:02.01 | JeffM2501 | mehh, history wasn't a concern really |
| 21:02.03 | DTRemenak | simple mv on the filesystem |
| 21:02.41 | JeffM2501 | would have been iffy, with me nt being a project admin on bzflag and all :) |
| 21:04.40 | brlcad | they would have done it :) |
| 21:05.06 | JeffM2501 | probalby |
| 21:05.13 | JeffM2501 | it's done now tho |
| 21:05.26 | JeffM2501 | if anyone wants to have them kill the old one, feel free |
| 21:05.43 | JeffM2501 | considering it's not even G3d anymore |
| 21:06.45 | Tupone | what is now ? |
| 21:06.55 | JeffM2501 | mehh |
| 21:07.08 | Tupone | ehh :) |
| 21:07.14 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (ListServerConnection.cxx bzfs.h): extern gonoe from ListServerConnection |
| 21:07.34 | JeffM2501 | something that ain't based on G3d |
| 21:08.27 | Tupone | so is not based on any public library for graphic, except openGL |
| 21:09.11 | JeffM2501 | so far yes |
| 21:09.12 | brlcad | the cvs module could have also been renamed with a simple mv ;) |
| 21:09.24 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, true |
| 21:09.28 | JeffM2501 | can't change the past tho |
| 21:09.33 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:09.39 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, may use osg |
| 21:09.47 | JeffM2501 | for the scenegraph |
| 21:09.51 | Tupone | aww, great choice |
| 21:10.03 | trepan | meh |
| 21:10.03 | Tupone | I like it, and I like to learn it :) |
| 21:10.19 | JeffM2501 | parts of it can be used simpler then ogre |
| 21:10.36 | JeffM2501 | allit realy is now is just a silly menu :0 |
| 21:10.56 | trepan | first impressions make the diff ;) |
| 21:11.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah, aperantly everyone is drooling for it on bzbb now |
| 21:11.52 | trepan | heh, a whole legion of idiots kiddies |
| 21:11.54 | brlcad | hehe |
| 21:12.39 | trepan | pied piper mean anything to yaz? |
| 21:12.40 | JeffM2501 | tis naught but a toy |
| 21:12.56 | JeffM2501 | but it's such a long walk to the sea |
| 21:15.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/GameKeeper.cxx: extern lastState[] ?? Not used! |
| 21:19.52 | devster | is there a way of checking when people connect to a bzflag server? |
| 21:21.06 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean? |
| 21:22.13 | devster | like an external log type program |
| 21:22.36 | Tupone | bzadmin? |
| 21:22.48 | JeffM2501 | bzadmin |
| 21:22.51 | JeffM2501 | or a plugin |
| 21:22.56 | trepan | you can also watch bzfs's output if you have a couple of -d's |
| 21:23.00 | devster | how do you do plugins? |
| 21:23.15 | trepan | devster: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 21:23.27 | JeffM2501 | plugins are often last resort |
| 21:23.42 | brlcad | bzfs will log already, just point it's output to a file |
| 21:24.01 | devster | make a bzflag server report players connecting/leaving to an irc channel |
| 21:24.07 | JeffM2501 | plugin |
| 21:24.12 | JeffM2501 | there is an IRC plugin allready |
| 21:24.20 | devster | link? |
| 21:24.29 | JeffM2501 | my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 21:24.45 | JeffM2501 | ether that or a wicked cool log parser -> pipe thingy |
| 21:25.51 | devster | hmm only windows dll unless theres another one |
| 21:26.39 | trepan | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5426 |
| 21:27.21 | JeffM2501 | thar be tars there |
| 21:27.33 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfs.h bzfsAPI.cxx commands.h): bzfsAPI.cxx no more have extern |
| 21:27.47 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, got rid of all of them? |
| 21:27.53 | Tupone | yeah |
| 21:28.00 | Tupone | put on other .h :) |
| 21:28.12 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:28.14 | Tupone | mainly in bzfs.h |
| 21:28.18 | JeffM2501 | allways hated them in there |
| 21:28.40 | Tupone | I'm trying to remove all of there. But for tonight, I'm done :/ Too sleepy |
| 21:29.47 | JeffM2501 | have a good night |
| 21:30.48 | devster | JeffM2501 - either i'm blind or i can't see a link to download it :/ |
| 21:31.18 | JeffM2501 | it's in the link that trepan posted |
| 21:31.21 | JeffM2501 | 3rd atachment |
| 21:31.25 | JeffM2501 | Relay-0.82.tar.gz |
| 21:31.39 | JeffM2501 | even says " *nix source, Makefile, and config.txt |
| 21:31.40 | JeffM2501 | " in the comment |
| 21:31.52 | devster | need to register? |
| 21:32.08 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:32.13 | JeffM2501 | shouldn't |
| 21:32.27 | JeffM2501 | unless perms are jacked |
| 21:32.38 | JeffM2501 | tho every bzflag player should be registered |
| 21:32.47 | JeffM2501 | for global auth |
| 21:33.41 | JeffM2501 | ahh does look like download is reg only for that forum |
| 21:33.42 | JeffM2501 | let me fix it |
| 21:34.16 | devster | i just registered |
| 21:34.52 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:35.58 | trepan | plugin build looks busted for linux, static/dynamic thing again? |
| 21:36.22 | trepan | or am i simply missing where the .so goes? |
| 21:37.52 | brlcad | trepan: it's disabled via the configure.ac -- have to remove/comment out the AC_DISABLE_SHARED line |
| 21:38.45 | Tupone | brlcad: have to add --enable-shared to the configure I understand |
| 21:38.46 | trepan | wills that cause doubles for the .o compilations? |
| 21:38.53 | Tupone | no need to change the cnfigure.ac |
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| 21:39.10 | brlcad | or that, sure |
| 21:39.27 | brlcad | trepan: yes, it will rehaunt the double-compile ;) |
| 21:40.10 | trepan | heh, my own little script it is then ;) |
| 21:41.44 | trepan | devster: fyi, that relay0.82 plugin is causing segv over here, as soon as it's loaded |
| 21:42.01 | JeffM2501 | beta software is fun :) |
| 21:43.22 | trepan | ah, do not rename Relay.so to relay.so =) |
| 21:43.47 | JeffM2501 | don't even bother with that plugin under linux |
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| 21:43.58 | JeffM2501 | unless he made a nix specifc verison |
| 21:44.04 | JeffM2501 | the code I see is winsock specific |
| 21:44.57 | trepan | someone used the file name rather then a standard entry proc name |
| 21:45.11 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!*n=c1068a*@*.bzflag.bz] by JeffM2501 |
| 21:46.47 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 21:46.56 | JeffM2501 | he has difrent source files for each OS |
| 21:49.45 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 21:50.36 | JeffM2501 | he'd have to find a way to parse out the joins and exits |
| 21:50.40 | JeffM2501 | that is another way |
| 21:50.44 | orchid | hi Aribeth |
| 21:50.46 | JeffM2501 | big old login pipe chaing :) |
| 21:50.52 | Aribeth | hi orchid |
| 21:51.08 | orchid | I saw one of those big fat planes flying around here today |
| 21:51.18 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 21:51.38 | orchid | but it had a little bubble on the nose, not the same as the one in your pic |
| 21:51.51 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 21:51.56 | JeffM2501 | if they have a lot of greasy fuel, they get blemishes |
| 21:52.03 | Aribeth | might have been a guppy version |
| 21:52.24 | Aribeth | ohhh, might be a sub hunter |
| 21:52.34 | Aribeth | radar bubble |
| 21:52.59 | Aribeth | jeffM2501, lol |
| 21:53.58 | Aribeth | you wouln't beleive how many people think that picture is reall :) |
| 21:54.19 | JeffM2501 | you'd never get that thing outa there if you beached it |
| 21:54.24 | JeffM2501 | and it'd be ALLL jacked up |
| 21:54.30 | Aribeth | yep |
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| 22:13.40 | Meteorite | anyone see TD-Linux? |
| 22:14.03 | Meteorite | ok.. |
| 22:14.08 | Meteorite | anyone see anyone at all? ;) |
| 22:14.57 | Meteorite | better get going seeing no one is here :| |
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| 22:16.21 | trepan | works for me |
| 22:17.10 | Aribeth | i am not seeing no one here. |
| 22:18.11 | Aribeth | who is this person and whay are you looking for him :P |
| 22:18.37 | JeffM2501 | a child, and he's the "leader" of there little project ;) |
| 22:18.45 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 22:38.23 | SilentSwan | *yawn* |
| 22:48.36 | SilentSwan | why? |
| 22:48.46 | Aribeth | i sold the ultra 80 today |
| 22:48.56 | SilentSwan | ah congrats |
| 22:49.01 | Aribeth | :) |
| 22:49.03 | SilentSwan | hope you got what you wanted for it |
| 22:49.09 | Aribeth | yup |
| 22:53.50 | SilentSwan | You and your $336 have been eaten |
| 22:53.50 | SilentSwan | You made 965 moves. |
| 22:54.25 | Aribeth | huhhh? |
| 22:54.52 | SilentSwan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.05 | Aribeth | ohhhh |
| 22:57.01 | SilentSwan | this is my life |
| 22:58.11 | Aribeth | :) |
| 22:59.45 | SilentSwan | *sigh* all the key maps are different now |
| 23:00.39 | Aribeth | eek |
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| 23:05.10 | SilentSwan | ah well.. maybe they had to dumb it down for the linux version |
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| 23:08.06 | SilentSwan | *sigh* i can go home soon. not sure what for, but i can go home. |
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| 23:24.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (29 files in 8 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 23:24.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - removed visual extents from collision manager |
| 23:24.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - inverted the default state of GL client arrays |
| 23:24.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - added getColorAverages() for textures for use with fake ground lights |
| 23:24.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - added new SphereLodSceneNode and associated Shockwave effect |
| 23:24.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: (only used in Enhanced mode) |
| 23:24.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - added Off/Fast/Nice selection for fog mode |
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