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| 00:59.13 | cody | ip ozsoft.biz |
| 01:01.19 | cody | ~bzfquery ozsoft.biz:5154 |
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| 01:01.28 | ned_flanders | how do you start a poll to switch maps? |
| 01:02.13 | cody | ~bzfquery ozsoft.biz:5154 |
| 01:02.21 | ned_flanders | ? |
| 01:03.26 | ned_flanders | nvm |
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| 02:33.26 | dizzutch | if anyone was around last night and remembers my problem |
| 02:33.37 | dizzutch | i fisxed it by installing 'xgame' and running bzflag from within it |
| 02:33.44 | dizzutch | i'll post a thread on it tomorrow |
| 02:33.51 | dizzutch | orange, JeffM2501 thanks |
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| 02:35.07 | JeffM2501 | what does xgame do? |
| 02:36.40 | Silent_Swan | http://wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~schooten/software/Xindex.html ? |
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| 02:37.31 | Silent_Swan | or... http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports-bugs/2004-October/044410.html |
| 02:38.04 | JeffM2501 | probably the latter |
| 02:38.06 | JeffM2501 | makes sense |
| 02:38.09 | Silent_Swan | yeah |
| 02:38.09 | JeffM2501 | kills all the other stuff |
| 02:39.33 | Silent_Swan | ah xchat.. spawn of evil |
| 02:39.39 | JeffM2501 | now... do I code or play EQ2?......... |
| 02:40.21 | Silent_Swan | i have some reading i should be doing... but my eyes cross when i try to focus... |
| 02:40.24 | Silent_Swan | wiped out |
| 02:40.29 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 02:40.50 | JeffM2501 | they need a national holiday for catching up on reading |
| 02:41.06 | Silent_Swan | i just have a hard time of it in the evenings now |
| 02:41.34 | Silent_Swan | when i took the train to work every day, it was great reading time.. |
| 02:41.46 | Silent_Swan | i could try reading while driving |
| 02:41.52 | Silent_Swan | doesn't stop anyone else |
| 02:43.05 | Silent_Swan | http://everist.org/special/mw_oven/index.htm |
| 02:43.05 | JeffM2501 | rtue |
| 02:43.42 | bryjen | you'll end up like the folks i saw this morning, upside down, off the side of the road :/ |
| 02:43.48 | Silent_Swan | hah |
| 02:43.53 | Silent_Swan | cell phones |
| 02:43.56 | Silent_Swan | grr |
| 02:44.09 | JeffM2501 | mmmm magnetrons |
| 02:44.32 | bryjen | no, thick fog, and a probly turning from the sideroad onto a state highway |
| 02:44.59 | Silent_Swan | while on the phone |
| 02:45.01 | Silent_Swan | heh |
| 02:47.48 | Silent_Swan | ok.. Pepper the Parrot is requesting my presence... so i must depart |
| 02:47.49 | Silent_Swan | bye |
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| 02:52.40 | Quol_InMemphis | Thanks for waving back Aribeth: I felt a little silly with my hand waving around :) |
| 02:52.51 | Aribeth | :) |
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| 02:58.06 | jomojo | Okay i have a ton of bans done by logfile that i think came from the masterban list |
| 02:58.12 | jomojo | which should not be banned |
| 02:58.18 | orange | I'm not sure jomojo |
| 02:58.27 | orange | it's not clear how they showed up, but they don't have the (m) |
| 02:58.37 | jomojo | well hmm |
| 02:58.47 | jomojo | then how did they get on my server? |
| 02:58.48 | JeffM2501 | the masterbanlist only bans 8 people |
| 02:58.49 | jomojo | grrr |
| 02:58.57 | JeffM2501 | and dosn't ban ANY ranges |
| 02:59.05 | JeffM2501 | and dosn't add to your ban list |
| 03:01.24 | jomojo | orange: how could all of these bans get on the server |
| 03:01.41 | orange | I'd guess manual edit of the bandb |
| 03:02.23 | JeffM2501 | there are only 2 ways to add bans |
| 03:02.26 | JeffM2501 | 1 with the ban command |
| 03:02.33 | JeffM2501 | 2 by editing the file |
| 03:02.42 | JeffM2501 | opps |
| 03:02.43 | JeffM2501 | 3 |
| 03:02.46 | JeffM2501 | polls :) |
| 03:04.00 | JeffM2501 | poor master ban list, everyone blames it for things it didn't do :( |
| 03:06.02 | jomojo | yeah |
| 03:06.14 | jomojo | how does one unban /hostbans? |
| 03:06.24 | jomojo | i tried unban but that doesn't work |
| 03:06.33 | bryjen | unhostban ? |
| 03:06.57 | jomojo | didn't work |
| 03:08.06 | bryjen | hostunban |
| 03:09.06 | JeffM2501 | the source is with you |
| 03:09.42 | bryjen | thru the power of cvs |
| 03:10.18 | JeffM2501 | the power of CVS complels you |
| 03:35.07 | bryjen | hmm. i don't think i like playing without radar :/ |
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| 03:47.59 | bryjen | for the folks whose GL libs are linked with libpthread, is it export LDFLAGS=-lpthread before configure to get it included? |
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| 04:41.40 | Tegan | hey kahcepb[Ru] |
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| 07:10.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/data/flag.png: emphasize the flag tail |
| 07:12.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/geometry/FlagSceneNode.cxx: |
| 07:12.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: use alpha thresholding to render flags (rather then blending) |
| 07:12.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - flags no longer have to be sorted (faster and better looking) |
| 07:12.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - fixes the ghost line on the tail that resulted from wrap-around |
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| 12:03.58 | dizzutch | xgame is a program that runs a game in a new X-session |
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| 14:33.06 | Grumbler | ssssshhhh |
| 14:40.17 | jpa- | grumblgrumbl |
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| 14:50.43 | menotume | ~lart Grumbler for disturbing the peace |
| 14:51.38 | Grumbler | but wait |
| 14:53.13 | Grumbler | steve bartman reaches out and catches grumblers head before it goes out.....fan interference, ibot only gets second base. later on, steve bartman auctions off grumblers head for the save grumbler fund.......and sets a record bid on ebay ....$1.23billion bzdollars |
| 14:53.53 | Grumbler | grumbler gets his head back with several electronic upgrade |
| 14:55.05 | Grumbler | these upgrades allow grumbler to stay up till 3am and wake up at 8 with little or no ill effects |
| 15:36.15 | Aribeth | lol Grumbler |
| 15:42.28 | Aribeth | ~lart jpa- |
| 15:42.35 | Aribeth | eeek |
| 15:42.35 | Grumbler | ouch |
| 15:42.50 | Grumbler | the bots are rebelling |
| 15:42.50 | jpa- | ibot: that cost quite much, no? |
| 15:43.03 | jpa- | the gasoline price has gone up a lot :( |
| 15:43.11 | Grumbler | at least $3/gallon |
| 15:43.24 | Aribeth | @2.95 here |
| 15:43.40 | Grumbler | us gallons that is.....not those euro gallons |
| 15:45.28 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 15:45.48 | Aribeth | Grumbler, did you see the picture? |
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| 15:45.54 | Grumbler | yep |
| 15:45.58 | Grumbler | all three |
| 15:46.02 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 15:46.14 | Aribeth | it works very good too |
| 15:46.26 | Grumbler | i would tighten yoru nuts......but they broke the wrench when they created you |
| 15:46.37 | Aribeth | lol |
| 15:46.44 | Aribeth | yep that they did |
| 15:48.09 | Grumbler | how old is the gaza map....has a classical feel to it |
| 15:48.15 | jpa- | a moment ago Grumbler had metric bolts, and now he has US gallons.. |
| 15:48.24 | Aribeth | so far i have pulled in Jamaca, CA, British Columbia, the isle of Jerrsy |
| 15:48.33 | Grumbler | jpa-,....and you wonder why i am so screwed |
| 15:48.37 | Aribeth | its pre 2.0.0 |
| 15:49.34 | Aribeth | jpa-, Grumbler was maid in Europe, but lives in the US now :P |
| 15:49.54 | Grumbler | actually a butler, but thats a whole other story |
| 15:50.04 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 15:50.06 | jpa- | do you mean he was "made", or that he was a maid? :) |
| 15:50.12 | Aribeth | made |
| 15:50.22 | jpa- | oh |
| 15:50.29 | jpa- | then i can't tease him about that :/ |
| 15:50.37 | Grumbler | heh |
| 15:50.43 | Aribeth | ~lart jpa- again |
| 15:51.13 | jpa- | why do i get punished when i say something mean? |
| 15:51.20 | Grumbler | someone up'ed the lart levels |
| 15:51.27 | Aribeth | im just teasing you |
| 15:51.33 | Aribeth | ya |
| 15:51.45 | DTRemenak | ~lart jpa- yet again |
| 15:52.15 | Aribeth | hi DTRemenak |
| 15:52.19 | DTRemenak | hi Aribeth |
| 15:52.32 | jpa- | ~make love to DTRemenak |
| 15:52.33 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `love to DTRemenak'. Stop. |
| 15:52.34 | Grumbler | up before noon today....you must have classes |
| 15:52.45 | Aribeth | ROFLOL! |
| 15:52.51 | Grumbler | thats just sad |
| 15:52.54 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: aye |
| 15:54.43 | Aribeth | jpa- gets fries by rf |
| 15:54.50 | Aribeth | fried* |
| 15:54.55 | bryjen | ketchup with those? |
| 15:55.03 | Aribeth | yes please |
| 15:55.12 | jpa- | fries - over - RF? |
| 15:55.20 | bryjen | fries by microwave get soggy |
| 15:55.21 | DTRemenak | Aribeth: bit hot for a mobile transmitter dontcha think? |
| 15:55.22 | Aribeth | fried by rf |
| 15:55.23 | jpa- | wow that is cool |
| 15:55.32 | jpa- | almost like teleportation |
| 15:56.00 | Aribeth | the transceiver can run 100 watts, and the antenna can handle 400 watts |
| 15:56.24 | DTRemenak | ah, but that's not quite enough to fry anyone :) |
| 15:56.39 | Aribeth | and yes you could get rf burns if your too close to the antenna |
| 15:57.14 | Aribeth | ohh yes it can give some nasty burns if you touch it |
| 15:58.03 | Aribeth | thats why i unplug the antnnas when working them |
| 15:58.33 | Aribeth | 2000 watts could do it i beleive |
| 15:58.48 | DTRemenak | yeah, around there |
| 15:59.32 | DTRemenak | I've never seen anyone with a 2kw mobile though. wouldn't be terribly surprised if one existed, but I've not seen it. |
| 15:59.51 | Aribeth | jpa- is not imune to rf at 7 MHz |
| 16:00.08 | jpa- | yes i am |
| 16:00.20 | Grumbler | Aribeth, you forgot he wears a lead suit |
| 16:00.53 | Aribeth | the legal limit on HF is 1.5 KW |
| 16:01.49 | Aribeth | mobile im not sure what most ham's run |
| 16:02.37 | Grumbler | can you do distributed arrays |
| 16:02.47 | Aribeth | there are linear amps for mobile operation |
| 16:03.23 | Aribeth | distributes arrays? antenna arrays? |
| 16:03.52 | Grumbler | yeah, ie, is the wattage a density measurement or is it per antennea |
| 16:04.20 | Aribeth | the larger the antenna, the more the power is amplified |
| 16:04.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/3d/ (inc/fonts.h src/fonts.cpp): 3 alignment modes for font drawing |
| 16:04.53 | Aribeth | but at lower frequencies arrays are hard to build because of their size |
| 16:05.12 | Aribeth | prolly best to use a beam |
| 16:05.32 | Aribeth | ie. a vdiretional antenna |
| 16:06.03 | Grumbler | are you an active ham'er.......ie do you do the whole retreat in the woods part, with no power and the like |
| 16:06.08 | Aribeth | a beam for 7 mhz might be 46 feet by 36 feet |
| 16:06.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/ (inc/menus.h src/client.cpp src/mainMenu.cpp src/menus.cpp): use menu IDs, not list position |
| 16:06.39 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/src/joinMenu.cpp: back button |
| 16:07.12 | Aribeth | i have gone to parks packing all my mobile gear, and i can work off of battery power when needed |
| 16:08.09 | Grumbler | ah, a local ham'er i know here indicated that the locals here take a weekend every year and trek out to the woods......didnt know if it was part of the FCC license or not |
| 16:08.55 | Aribeth | they prolly do it so they are prapared for emergencies, and disasters |
| 16:09.12 | Grumbler | thats how the conversation started |
| 16:09.20 | Grumbler | katrina and all |
| 16:09.30 | DTRemenak | various clubs do different things. the fcc requires only the tests afaik. |
| 16:09.37 | Aribeth | there are many ham's that belong to emergency groups |
| 16:09.57 | Aribeth | yes DTR |
| 16:11.30 | Aribeth | ARES, Amateur Radio Emergency Services |
| 16:12.25 | Grumbler | whats it take to me a professional radio emergency service ;) |
| 16:12.37 | Grumbler | err, be* |
| 16:12.45 | Aribeth | they use nets to relay traffic, and information |
| 16:13.39 | Aribeth | you can take classes, and also you can learn by listening to the nets |
| 16:14.26 | Aribeth | the American Radio Relay League has classes on emergency comunications |
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| 16:23.42 | wizatcomp | are there going to be any more releases of BZflag in the next 6 months or so? |
| 16:25.10 | DTRemenak | wizatcomp: that depends on whether we'll need another one within that time ;) |
| 16:25.29 | wizatcomp | DTRemenak, alright |
| 16:25.42 | wizatcomp | in my programing class, we're considering making a single player version of bzflag |
| 16:26.21 | wizatcomp | so we want to make sure we use the code that is going to be around for at least a few months =) |
| 16:26.49 | DTRemenak | it will be. patches welcome. |
| 16:27.06 | wizatcomp | alright |
| 16:27.59 | DTRemenak | although you might consider basing it on cvs and keeping it up to date. the code is always improving. |
| 16:28.47 | wizatcomp | alright |
| 16:28.55 | wizatcomp | we're just tossing around the idea now |
| 16:29.10 | DTRemenak | good idea to toss around ;) |
| 16:30.14 | wizatcomp | our entire class is "Addicted" to bzflag |
| 16:30.26 | wizatcomp | and when we got the oppertunity to choose out final project |
| 16:30.34 | wizatcomp | we decided we wanted to do something with bzflag |
| 16:35.27 | DTRemenak | hehe |
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| 16:42.55 | JeffM2501 | I left it on last night playing music |
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| 18:28.25 | JeffM2501 | is the mouse wheel bound to anything by default? |
| 18:29.50 | dizzutch | JeffM2501: i fixed the stalling problem |
| 18:30.01 | JeffM2501 | what was it? |
| 18:30.59 | dizzutch | don't know |
| 18:31.09 | dizzutch | but if i run bzflag from xgame it works fine |
| 18:31.09 | Tupone | mouse wheel is bound |
| 18:31.27 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, looks like scroll the text up and down, right? |
| 18:31.32 | Tupone | yep |
| 18:31.42 | JeffM2501 | dizzutch, sounds like your x has other crap in it that was geting in the way |
| 18:31.59 | Tupone | you can see Button4/5 binding |
| 18:32.09 | JeffM2501 | windows didn't trap it |
| 18:32.10 | dizzutch | yeah, that's what i figured, just can't seem to pin-point what exactly |
| 18:32.14 | JeffM2501 | the butoon thing is for sdl only |
| 18:33.17 | JeffM2501 | I'm trying to fix it now |
| 18:33.20 | JeffM2501 | so we trap the event |
| 18:33.48 | bryjen | i think X actually sees the wheel as two buttons as well |
| 18:33.55 | JeffM2501 | probalby does |
| 18:33.58 | JeffM2501 | I can emulate it |
| 18:34.00 | JeffM2501 | it's no biggie |
| 18:34.10 | JeffM2501 | we actualy get a +- value |
| 18:35.13 | Tupone | bind "Shift+Wheel Up" down "radarZoom in" |
| 18:35.13 | Tupone | bind "Ctrl+Wheel Up" down "viewZoom in" |
| 18:35.13 | Tupone | bind "Wheel Down" down "scrollpanel down" |
| 18:35.13 | Tupone | bind "Shift+Wheel Down" down "radarZoom out" |
| 18:35.13 | Tupone | bind "Ctrl+Wheel Down" down "viewZoom out" |
| 18:35.57 | Tupone | bind "Wheel Up" down "scrollpanel up" |
| 18:36.14 | Tupone | those are the default binding on linux |
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| 19:05.58 | iceeey | hi |
| 19:06.43 | Tupone | hi |
| 19:07.04 | iceeey | can anyone explain why BZFlag switched to LGPL license 2 years ago? |
| 19:07.56 | Tupone | Tim changed the license, you have to ask him, but he is not here |
| 19:08.32 | iceeey | thanks, do you know when he is usually on? |
| 19:09.03 | Tupone | randomly ... at any time |
| 19:09.11 | lan56 | you could try PMing him |
| 19:09.19 | lan56 | on BZBB or leaving him a memo on IRC here |
| 19:09.44 | Tupone | why are you so interested? making a research for some agency ? |
| 19:10.07 | iceeey | nope, just curious about what license to make my game |
| 19:11.32 | Tupone | that depend if you want someone else, doing proprietary software, use your game library (?) for their non free product and actually improving yours |
| 19:12.28 | iceeey | is most of bzflag in library form? |
| 19:12.34 | lan56 | iceey: should you still desire to contact him, his BZBB username is "Tim Riker" and his name on here is "TimRiker" if you want to leave a memo |
| 19:12.58 | Tupone | yeah but still not so easyly decoupled |
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| 19:17.07 | Tupone | iceeey ... |
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| 20:02.16 | bryjen | did one of the rubber bands snap? |
| 20:02.59 | dizzutch | is it free WiFi? |
| 20:03.09 | dizzutch | every airport i've been at recently charges 7.95/hr |
| 20:09.23 | brlcad | bryjen: something like that |
| 20:09.46 | brlcad | pilot slammed on the brakes about 2 seconds after we were full thrusting down the runway |
| 20:11.46 | bryjen | hmm, "Yuma Int'l Airport" becomes "Us Marine Corps Air Station" when you zoom in some more at maps.google |
| 20:13.33 | brlcad | bryjen: yeah, they share with the marines |
| 20:14.24 | brlcad | yay, flight was cancelled out of yuma .... |
| 20:14.50 | JeffM2501 | do we we still need to make our binarys support windows 95? |
| 20:15.09 | Grumbler | yuma, dang, the runways are bigger than the town |
| 20:15.20 | dizzutch | yuma, AZ i've been there |
| 20:15.24 | dizzutch | wasn;t much to do |
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| 20:15.42 | Grumbler | heh, they are a burgers and beer restuarant |
| 20:15.49 | dizzutch | and crossings to MX |
| 20:15.49 | dizzutch | :)\ |
| 20:15.54 | brlcad | be back in a bit, they're kicking me out |
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| 20:17.52 | Grumbler | wow, they have a live feed.......theres brlcad.......hold on, whats that gesture..... |
| 20:23.24 | JeffM2501 | can any one who can debug on linux test somethign for me? |
| 20:23.58 | JeffM2501 | when you do a mouse wheel event, does it send a button down with the wheel, then a button up with the wheel message? |
| 20:24.08 | JeffM2501 | or just a button down? |
| 20:24.24 | Tupone | JeffM2501: do you remember the bind I showed you ? |
| 20:24.31 | JeffM2501 | no I don't |
| 20:24.38 | JeffM2501 | what do we bind to? |
| 20:24.40 | JeffM2501 | up or down? |
| 20:24.51 | JeffM2501 | on windows I only get one event |
| 20:25.00 | Tupone | we bind down |
| 20:25.05 | JeffM2501 | ok good |
| 20:25.15 | JeffM2501 | the SDL code supports events for both up and down |
| 20:25.25 | JeffM2501 | tho I don't see how that can happen |
| 20:25.28 | JeffM2501 | since it's not a real button |
| 20:25.33 | JeffM2501 | and you can't hold it down |
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| 20:30.01 | uso | JeffM2501: on X i get two events, a ButtonPress and a ButtonRelease for the mouse wheel, if this matters |
| 20:32.48 | JeffM2501 | is that for each "tick" of the wheel? |
| 20:33.00 | JeffM2501 | or one down when you start moving and one end when you stop? |
| 20:33.55 | uso | for each tick |
| 20:34.14 | JeffM2501 | so down up down up down up? |
| 20:34.23 | JeffM2501 | as you move the wheel |
| 20:34.23 | uso | yes |
| 20:34.28 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:34.29 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 20:34.39 | RatOmeter | mmm, how's direction determined? |
| 20:34.51 | JeffM2501 | one button for up |
| 20:34.57 | RatOmeter | ah |
| 20:34.59 | JeffM2501 | or "forward" on the weel |
| 20:34.59 | uso | X handles the wheel as buttons, button 4 and 5 |
| 20:35.01 | JeffM2501 | one for "back" |
| 20:35.08 | RatOmeter | I see, thanks |
| 20:35.16 | JeffM2501 | windows gives you a value + for up - for down |
| 20:35.28 | JeffM2501 | in case the wheel has more granularity then a "tick" |
| 20:35.40 | JeffM2501 | the tick wheels use 120 units per tick |
| 20:36.04 | RatOmeter | interesting. carry on. |
| 20:39.48 | JeffM2501 | tupone freaking lied to me |
| 20:39.50 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.03 | JeffM2501 | or maybe not |
| 20:40.20 | Tupone | nope :) |
| 20:40.26 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:40.29 | Tupone | I don't |
| 20:40.37 | Tupone | I pasted the content of config.cfg |
| 20:40.41 | JeffM2501 | if I just send a down, it's not geting it |
| 20:40.49 | JeffM2501 | think it needs a down then up event? |
| 20:41.12 | Tupone | you have those event bound? |
| 20:41.23 | JeffM2501 | that is from the default bind code |
| 20:41.28 | JeffM2501 | in actionbinding.cxx |
| 20:41.32 | JeffM2501 | and I hit it |
| 20:41.34 | Tupone | I'd look at config.cfg |
| 20:41.40 | JeffM2501 | so yes I think I would have it |
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| 20:43.12 | JeffM2501 | let me make sure I'm not picking up an old config |
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| 20:44.22 | JeffM2501 | old config was screwing me up |
| 20:44.33 | JeffM2501 | and I was confused at the "up" part of the bind :) |
| 20:47.58 | JeffM2501 | got it to work, thanks Tupone :) |
| 20:48.04 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:49.10 | JeffM2501 | even did the ctrl + and shift + thing, so you can use the wheel to zoom in game :) |
| 20:49.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/platform/WinDisplay.cxx: support mouse wheel events so windows native can scroll and zoom too :) |
| 20:50.58 | JeffM2501 | seems I was pulling a config from 1.10 still |
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| 21:01.12 | ToughShooter | Anyone saw LouMan's new map? |
| 21:01.43 | ToughShooter | Finally something playable and realistic :D |
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| 21:08.55 | Ashesive | hello |
| 21:09.20 | Tupone | hello Ashesive |
| 21:09.59 | Ashesive | whats new in bzflag |
| 21:10.00 | Ashesive | ? |
| 21:10.14 | Tupone | where you stopped at ? |
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| 21:10.23 | Ashesive | 2003 |
| 21:10.42 | Tupone | so it was 1.7g2 ? |
| 21:10.53 | Ashesive | think so |
| 21:11.07 | ToughShooter | Wow, much has changed then I suppose ;) |
| 21:11.33 | Ashesive | oh really ;) |
| 21:12.07 | Tupone | new graphics, basically. A new kind of game. We had CTF and FFA. Now we also have Rabbit hunt |
| 21:12.08 | ToughShooter | With 2.0 you can use meshes, so maps can contain costum elements |
| 21:12.44 | Ashesive | for the buildings, and collision detection is done on facet level ? |
| 21:12.45 | Tupone | some flags, like THIEF, Agility and the ated wings |
| 21:13.00 | ToughShooter | in the later 2.0.x releases there came graphic optimizations, costum textures, fog |
| 21:13.13 | Ashesive | nice stuff |
| 21:13.23 | ToughShooter | err, wait fog isn't in a "stable" release |
| 21:13.28 | Tupone | you can see screenshot at SF |
| 21:13.29 | trepan | minimal "physics drivers", icy floors, trampolines, etc... |
| 21:13.51 | Ashesive | ah :) |
| 21:13.52 | ToughShooter | it can rain, snow etc |
| 21:14.03 | Tupone | and frog |
| 21:14.21 | trepan | anything you want now, custom rain textures are possible ;) |
| 21:14.28 | Ashesive | i take a look at the screenshots |
| 21:14.47 | Ashesive | cool, blood rain ;) |
| 21:15.00 | ToughShooter | drawinfo optimizations for non-mac platforms |
| 21:15.12 | Tupone | well, the biggest change is the devs and players, you can see at pics.bzleague.com |
| 21:15.13 | JeffM2501 | blood rain isn't hard |
| 21:15.22 | ToughShooter | (I know it shouldn't be compiler or platform dependent) |
| 21:15.49 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, the draw info optimisaitons are there for mac, it jsut sucks on a mac IIRC :) |
| 21:16.05 | ToughShooter | costum grounds, world weapons fired by events, server side plug-ins |
| 21:16.39 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I don't notice any optimization regarding that :p |
| 21:16.50 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, that is the part where they suck |
| 21:17.10 | JeffM2501 | the code is there for em, it just dosn't do what its suposed to |
| 21:17.16 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: That's a very serious description |
| 21:17.30 | JeffM2501 | you make it sound like it's a build option that isn't on |
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| 21:17.48 | JeffM2501 | when in fact it's the APPLE side that isn't doing what it should be doing |
| 21:17.58 | ToughShooter | if it doesn't optimize then I don't say it's optimized :p |
| 21:18.11 | JeffM2501 | your treating the word optimise wrong |
| 21:18.33 | JeffM2501 | the changes were to do LODs and more GPU objects |
| 21:18.40 | JeffM2501 | those changes are being done still on the mac |
| 21:18.45 | JeffM2501 | they just arn't any faster |
| 21:19.19 | trepan | the LODs don't play into the 'unoptimized' state |
| 21:19.20 | ToughShooter | well, 0 FPS on the demo server are not that showing good :( |
| 21:19.26 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 21:19.40 | trepan | it's most likely the display lists or the increased use of modelview matrices |
| 21:19.58 | JeffM2501 | and how the apple GL handles it |
| 21:20.25 | ToughShooter | The graphics cards have different firmware, too |
| 21:20.29 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, no it's not good, but it's not because the "optimisations" arnt' there, the problem is because they are not doing what they are supsosed to |
| 21:20.36 | JeffM2501 | that they do |
| 21:21.03 | JeffM2501 | the map he gets 0 on is a LOD map |
| 21:21.20 | ToughShooter | I meant you don't notice the optimizations on the mac, peace? |
| 21:21.23 | trepan | ati gl drvs are notoriously bad, and mac gl drvs are slow on the uptake ;) |
| 21:21.30 | JeffM2501 | so bz is still doing LODs on that map, so it is doing your new optimisation tech, it's just there are other problems that are making it slow |
| 21:21.33 | JeffM2501 | that is my point |
| 21:21.45 | JeffM2501 | did anyone ever try it with nvidia on a mac? |
| 21:21.53 | trepan | nafaik |
| 21:22.05 | ToughShooter | trepan: My driver is around one month old, I got it directly from ATI |
| 21:22.22 | trepan | ToughShooter: great, not the point |
| 21:22.57 | ToughShooter | ATI has recently changed to deliver drivers for built-in cards, too |
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| 21:23.32 | Ashesive | nice pics |
| 21:23.58 | JeffM2501 | you can get drivers directly from ATI for them |
| 21:24.23 | JeffM2501 | all I ever saw was firmware upgrades and driver updates for way old OSs |
| 21:24.59 | shitinsect | lo |
| 21:25.36 | ToughShooter | Apple itself is very slow on giving graphics drivers updaters to the masses :( |
| 21:25.52 | JeffM2501 | shitinsect, please change your name to not contain a curse word |
| 21:26.03 | shitinsect | sorry :) |
| 21:26.06 | shitinsect | my fault |
| 21:26.10 | JeffM2501 | yes it is |
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| 21:26.43 | PerfectBell | done :) |
| 21:26.47 | JeffM2501 | thank you |
| 21:27.00 | JeffM2501 | back to your old ways? |
| 21:27.04 | PerfectBell | nope |
| 21:27.10 | JeffM2501 | riiighht |
| 21:27.14 | PerfectBell | i hope the game is cheat free |
| 21:27.20 | PerfectBell | anyway now ,) |
| 21:27.36 | menotume | yes, cheats are generally free |
| 21:27.45 | PerfectBell | yes |
| 21:27.48 | PerfectBell | that is right |
| 21:28.27 | JeffM2501 | the number of cheats has been lowered |
| 21:28.30 | JeffM2501 | more is moved to the server |
| 21:28.44 | JeffM2501 | can't ever stop 100% of them |
| 21:29.10 | JeffM2501 | and we have more options to controll those who cheat |
| 21:29.18 | JeffM2501 | global registraion, masterban, etc.. |
| 21:29.25 | JeffM2501 | hostmast band with per user exceptions |
| 21:29.34 | PerfectBell | ok, there are now cool meshes like the tree i saw on SF. Is collision detection made on a per poly level now or is there a bounding box (hirarchy) maybe ? |
| 21:29.52 | JeffM2501 | meshes do per face checks if they need to |
| 21:30.05 | JeffM2501 | most of the scenegraph has been redone into an octree |
| 21:30.09 | JeffM2501 | it's a lot faster |
| 21:30.23 | PerfectBell | oh nice |
| 21:30.25 | JeffM2501 | did you ever finish your C# one? |
| 21:30.52 | JeffM2501 | trepan, probably |
| 21:30.56 | ToughShooter | Hmm, I only learned the bounding box model in analysis :( |
| 21:31.14 | PerfectBell | no, i managed to get a work asn an asp.net programmer, i am currently even technical project manager, so i have so little time for my own project, sadly |
| 21:31.15 | JeffM2501 | trepan, but I'm having a good day |
| 21:31.16 | Tupone | well, the guys was PerfectCell |
| 21:31.23 | Tupone | this is Bell |
| 21:31.42 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, if you belive that..... |
| 21:31.45 | trepan | ah, time heals all wounds, most excellent |
| 21:31.48 | Tupone | lol :) |
| 21:32.09 | JeffM2501 | PerfectBell, welcome to the real world |
| 21:32.17 | PerfectBell | yeah it sux |
| 21:32.28 | JeffM2501 | it is what you make of it |
| 21:32.31 | PerfectBell | no time to make cheats |
| 21:32.31 | Chestal | hurrah, Gesinde hat nen Kampf gewonnen |
| 21:32.33 | Chestal | oops |
| 21:33.10 | JeffM2501 | many server are reg only now, so cheating is only good once |
| 21:33.29 | PerfectBell | ok |
| 21:34.02 | JeffM2501 | and most of your old cheat scheems will just get the user autokicked now |
| 21:34.22 | PerfectBell | the mesh mesh colision and response, is it coded into bzflag or is a lib used like ode ? |
| 21:35.02 | JeffM2501 | no lib |
| 21:35.13 | PerfectBell | ok |
| 21:35.21 | PerfectBell | impressed |
| 21:35.36 | JeffM2501 | it's the same code that was there before, just reworked |
| 21:36.01 | PerfectBell | and the face subdivision still there ? |
| 21:36.01 | trepan | on an all mesh world, it almost all new code |
| 21:36.07 | JeffM2501 | for lighting |
| 21:36.17 | PerfectBell | yes |
| 21:36.19 | JeffM2501 | and lod |
| 21:36.20 | trepan | no tesselation for mesh faces |
| 21:36.27 | JeffM2501 | go look at the code |
| 21:36.27 | PerfectBell | ah ok |
| 21:36.31 | trepan | (for lighting) |
| 21:36.40 | trepan | the next step would be per-pixel, not that tess. junk |
| 21:36.49 | JeffM2501 | for meshes I don't think tess is a good thing |
| 21:36.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah, should be shaders |
| 21:37.14 | PerfectBell | yeah i love shaders |
| 21:37.35 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure you do |
| 21:38.04 | ToughShooter | Shaders would have do be done via extensions, correct? |
| 21:38.12 | PerfectBell | in opengl yes |
| 21:38.22 | JeffM2501 | depends what version of GL you target |
| 21:38.25 | JeffM2501 | and how you do it |
| 21:38.25 | PerfectBell | in direct x its build in |
| 21:38.37 | JeffM2501 | depends on what version of directX you target :) |
| 21:38.38 | PerfectBell | i suspect |
| 21:39.07 | JeffM2501 | there is a GL shader langauge in later revs |
| 21:39.11 | trepan | GL 2.0 doesn't need exts, iirc |
| 21:39.20 | JeffM2501 | but in practice, yes you would use some extenstions |
| 21:39.28 | JeffM2501 | no it dosn't |
| 21:39.36 | JeffM2501 | what card? |
| 21:40.05 | ToughShooter | Still a Radeon 9600 |
| 21:40.14 | PerfectBell | i have a gefore 4 |
| 21:40.29 | JeffM2501 | that should support at least gen 1 maybe gen 2 programable shaders |
| 21:40.54 | PerfectBell | my does not support 2.0 |
| 21:41.00 | PerfectBell | and 1.4 i donno |
| 21:41.05 | JeffM2501 | I wasn't talking about yours |
| 21:41.11 | PerfectBell | i know :) |
| 21:41.15 | JeffM2501 | yours supports cg2.0 |
| 21:41.24 | JeffM2501 | that was one of the main reasons for the 4 series |
| 21:41.30 | JeffM2501 | unless it's a MX |
| 21:41.35 | PerfectBell | no its not |
| 21:41.36 | JeffM2501 | then it's a joke |
| 21:41.50 | PerfectBell | oh tthan i am happy it supports 2.0 |
| 21:41.50 | JeffM2501 | a full Ti supports shader2 |
| 21:41.59 | JeffM2501 | that does not mean openGL 2.0 |
| 21:42.03 | JeffM2501 | that just means nvShader 2.0 |
| 21:42.05 | PerfectBell | ok |
| 21:42.30 | JeffM2501 | all the good shaders started with 3rd gen, FX series |
| 21:43.13 | PerfectBell | what i hate with shaders that you have to write some fallback ahder code for worser cards |
| 21:43.36 | JeffM2501 | or just not support them |
| 21:43.40 | Chestal | heh, shader code can be done in software, too :-) |
| 21:43.48 | PerfectBell | yeah but than it looks ugly |
| 21:43.48 | JeffM2501 | it can |
| 21:43.49 | Chestal | on main CPU |
| 21:43.51 | JeffM2501 | it won't be fast |
| 21:43.57 | RPG_ | 4FPS |
| 21:43.58 | Chestal | it will good very nice |
| 21:44.04 | JeffM2501 | PerfectBell, it if you code it right, it will look EXCATLY the same |
| 21:44.06 | Chestal | but give you 0.001 fps or so :-) |
| 21:44.09 | RPG_ | 4 FPS for CPU rdndering |
| 21:44.12 | JeffM2501 | or just desuport those pople |
| 21:44.21 | RPG_ | on a 1.8ghx |
| 21:44.22 | JeffM2501 | it's happened before |
| 21:44.23 | RPG_ | ghZ |
| 21:44.36 | Tupone | I prefer no shader to desupporting people |
| 21:44.41 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, you have writen software shader code |
| 21:44.47 | RPG_ | no, i used BZFlag |
| 21:44.50 | ToughShooter | My card misses "GL_ARB_draw_buffers", "GL_ARB_shading_language_100" and "GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two" according to http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/17087 |
| 21:44.51 | RPG_ | without a video card driver |
| 21:45.01 | JeffM2501 | bzflag does not use shaders |
| 21:45.28 | trepan | nvidia provides s/w emulation in their linux drivers (ex: "NvEmulate" "30") |
| 21:45.39 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, your card probably dosn't support the openGL shading language, but you can send it ATI lang stuff |
| 21:45.40 | ToughShooter | that's the extensions missing for 2.0 and the GL 2.0 test fails :( |
| 21:45.52 | JeffM2501 | trepan, how bad does it suck? |
| 21:46.02 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, those are ARB extension |
| 21:46.10 | JeffM2501 | you'd go venter specific for that card |
| 21:46.12 | trepan | s/w emu for shaders... that says it all :) |
| 21:46.20 | JeffM2501 | so a lot :0 |
| 21:46.28 | trepan | suck++ |
| 21:46.29 | PerfectBell | i can do skeletal animation with a vertex shader and stuff like cloths but that is nothing new |
| 21:46.32 | JeffM2501 | mehh, make em get an fx |
| 21:47.09 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, if shaders ever went int the current bzflag project, yes I'd think they would have an "off" feature for those who didn't support it |
| 21:47.30 | JeffM2501 | unless some big battles were won |
| 21:47.33 | PerfectBell | i could also do that in code using cpu instead gpu, but hm to lock the vertex buffer would be not so cool |
| 21:47.53 | PerfectBell | though i put it in agp mem |
| 21:48.04 | JeffM2501 | agp is soo last year |
| 21:48.20 | PerfectBell | whats the do now? |
| 21:48.24 | Tupone | well, that is good, I don't want our rubbish dumps (?) full of video board |
| 21:48.35 | RPG_ | I still think "Accelerated graphics port" sounds better than "PCI Express" |
| 21:48.50 | JeffM2501 | pci-e is a more general bus |
| 21:48.51 | trepan | Tupone: most likely, those without shaders simply wouldn't get the cool effects |
| 21:48.57 | JeffM2501 | it can be used fore more then graphics |
| 21:49.23 | PerfectBell | agp not? |
| 21:49.31 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: ? Google showed that ARB stands for "OpenGL Architectural Review Board" so is it a bad thing they are missing? |
| 21:49.31 | JeffM2501 | AGP was an interesting idea, but too narow minded in scope I feel |
| 21:49.55 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, not all implemenations can support all ARB extenstions |
| 21:50.00 | JeffM2501 | that's why they are extenstions |
| 21:50.07 | JeffM2501 | it's understandable why they didn't support it |
| 21:50.18 | JeffM2501 | it's not realy "bad" but it's it not good |
| 21:50.19 | PerfectBell | does bzflag put all meshes into video mem if possible? |
| 21:50.47 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Thanks for explaining |
| 21:51.14 | JeffM2501 | arb just means it's not vendor specific, and it's something the board has approved |
| 21:51.30 | JeffM2501 | usualy arb extensions get rolled into real features in later revs of GL |
| 21:51.52 | JeffM2501 | hence the ARB shader extensions became the full support for the openGL shader language |
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| 22:09.31 | Tupone | hmmm PerfectCell came here, and just few minutes before a cheater was at viper :/ |
| 22:10.23 | JeffM2501 | makes sense |
| 22:10.24 | JeffM2501 | sadly it dosn't look like he's changed much at all |
| 22:10.26 | RPG_ | how did he cheat? |
| 22:10.40 | Tupone | capturing flag going [nr] |
| 22:10.50 | JeffM2501 | he's the incredeble varialble IP man |
| 22:11.07 | JeffM2501 | he's the reason we baned most of germany and did eceptions for a while |
| 22:11.16 | JeffM2501 | dude's been klined by the server ops before |
| 22:12.05 | ToughShooter | banned most of germany? was that back in 2003? |
| 22:12.24 | JeffM2501 | is ISP is germanys largest |
| 22:12.38 | JeffM2501 | this was probably more in 2002 |
| 22:12.46 | JeffM2501 | 2001 -> 2002 |
| 22:12.46 | ToughShooter | ah, T-Online aka *.dip.t-dialin.net |
| 22:12.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:13.11 | ToughShooter | When did 1.10.2 came out? |
| 22:13.26 | JeffM2501 | what is the date on the file? |
| 22:13.34 | ToughShooter | doh |
| 22:13.34 | JeffM2501 | he's from older then 1.10 tho |
| 22:13.54 | Tupone | I came when 1.7g2 went out |
| 22:13.55 | JeffM2501 | old school 1.9Gx |
| 22:14.10 | JeffM2501 | that is old school man :) |
| 22:14.24 | JeffM2501 | sorry I meant 1.7gx was when Cel what here |
| 22:14.29 | JeffM2501 | don't recall him before |
| 22:14.32 | ToughShooter | 1.10.2 is when I started playing |
| 22:14.58 | JeffM2501 | 1.10 was the big "new" version |
| 22:15.01 | JeffM2501 | at one point |
| 22:15.14 | JeffM2501 | after the 1.8 debacle |
| 22:15.30 | ToughShooter | My ibook G3 800 came with Mac OS X 10.2.3 |
| 22:15.57 | JeffM2501 | I did my first work on BZ, on a P1 133 |
| 22:16.02 | JeffM2501 | with a trident card |
| 22:16.04 | ToughShooter | a month later I saw the game at macupdate and I played the whole holidays |
| 22:16.06 | JeffM2501 | that was painfull |
| 22:16.21 | JeffM2501 | I was so happy to get a P2 233 with a permidia2 card |
| 22:16.24 | JeffM2501 | with hardware GL |
| 22:17.04 | JeffM2501 | that let me run with textures |
| 22:17.09 | JeffM2501 | I was uber ;) |
| 22:17.20 | ToughShooter | ~spell uber |
| 22:19.15 | DTRemenak | tuber cuber! |
| 22:19.23 | DTRemenak | sounds like a french fry machine |
| 22:19.33 | ToughShooter | My first PC was a 300MHZ ibook G3 |
| 22:19.51 | DTRemenak | even better, the uber tuber cuber could be a souped-up french fry machine |
| 22:20.40 | ToughShooter | it had around 4MB graphics memory and had run Bugdom 3 only accepable in Rage 3 mode (reduced details) |
| 22:21.35 | ToughShooter | a lot of fog and very little displayed area but I had textures and mono sound ;) |
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| 22:35.48 | JeffM2501 | you had a rage 128 |
| 22:35.55 | JeffM2501 | or at most a rage pro |
| 22:36.02 | JeffM2501 | 3d decellerator |
| 22:36.12 | JeffM2501 | renders about as fast a a ppro |
| 22:36.32 | JeffM2501 | the permidia 2 kicked butt, was from 3d labs |
| 22:36.38 | JeffM2501 | THE name in 3d at the time |
| 22:36.51 | JeffM2501 | was way better then my old NV1 |
| 22:37.12 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, that wildcat still workin? |
| 22:38.07 | JeffM2501 | oh no it was an oxygen VX1 |
| 22:38.10 | JeffM2501 | not the wildcat |
| 22:41.07 | ToughShooter | I had a Rage Pro and it was really painful but best was the ibook had CD drive (no writing to disks), USB1, Ethernet and modem port, so no backups :( |
| 22:42.29 | JeffM2501 | dude, my first mac laptop was a powerbook 160 :) |
| 22:42.43 | JeffM2501 | 33mhz of 030 goodness |
| 22:42.56 | ToughShooter | Mac OS 9 was soo unstable |
| 22:42.56 | JeffM2501 | CDs were external |
| 22:43.01 | JeffM2501 | 9 |
| 22:43.03 | JeffM2501 | try 7.1 |
| 22:43.12 | BenUrban | 7.1? wow |
| 22:43.26 | BenUrban | my dad's first laptop was a 140 |
| 22:43.26 | ToughShooter | Okay, 7.x is worse |
| 22:43.27 | JeffM2501 | cus 7.0 sucked bad |
| 22:43.29 | BenUrban | it came with 7.0 |
| 22:43.43 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, how old are you? |
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| 22:44.23 | ToughShooter | Umm, I'm too old :/ |
| 22:45.10 | JeffM2501 | that's not to old :) |
| 22:45.29 | JeffM2501 | 800mhz was a dream at one point |
| 22:45.36 | JeffM2501 | man 1980 |
| 22:45.37 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 22:45.48 | BenUrban | 1980: manual page not found |
| 22:45.58 | BenUrban | sorry |
| 22:46.00 | BenUrban | i had to |
| 22:46.22 | ToughShooter | I still don't fully understand TTL |
| 22:46.23 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, what did you do in 1980? |
| 22:46.31 | BenUrban | i was born in 83 |
| 22:46.37 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 22:46.38 | BenUrban | so nothing much |
| 22:46.46 | BenUrban | afaik |
| 22:46.49 | BenUrban | :P |
| 22:47.25 | BenUrban | heh |
| 22:47.35 | JeffM2501 | so basicly you were learning how to say the alphabet when I graduated :) |
| 22:47.41 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 22:47.44 | BenUrban | what year was that? |
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| 22:47.55 | JeffM2501 | 1990 |
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| 22:48.10 | BenUrban | i learned to say the alphabet somewhere around age 2 or 3 |
| 22:48.15 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 22:48.40 | BenUrban | not that i'd remember |
| 22:48.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus it gets all fuzzy when your as old as you are ;) |
| 22:49.05 | BenUrban | hehe |
| 22:49.13 | BenUrban | it's been fuzzy al my life |
| 22:49.21 | ToughShooter | I was swimming in the local river at that age one time when I ran away from my mom, I was told by her |
| 22:49.23 | JeffM2501 | I mean how do you get your walker into the car? |
| 22:49.33 | BenUrban | i fold it up first |
| 22:49.34 | BenUrban | of course |
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| 22:49.39 | BenUrban | oh, wait... |
| 22:49.43 | JeffM2501 | I strap mine to the hood |
| 22:49.44 | BenUrban | _my_ walker? |
| 22:49.53 | BenUrban | ;) |
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| 22:53.49 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I've searched for new battlestar galactica stuff and I found out that the female starbuck will show up in october next year in germany |
| 22:53.59 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 22:54.13 | JeffM2501 | you are a fan of Ms. Sackoff's work? |
| 22:54.39 | ToughShooter | I don't even know who this person is :/ |
| 22:54.53 | JeffM2501 | that is the accresses' name |
| 22:55.03 | JeffM2501 | Kattie Sackoff |
| 22:55.14 | JeffM2501 | I think tha'ts how it's spelled |
| 22:55.39 | JeffM2501 | Katee Sackhoff |
| 22:55.42 | ToughShooter | ah, with 1 t |
| 22:55.52 | ToughShooter | "Katie" |
| 22:55.53 | JeffM2501 | and 2 e's :) |
| 22:56.07 | JeffM2501 | and an h |
| 22:56.13 | JeffM2501 | she plays a good part in that show |
| 22:57.09 | ToughShooter | I like scifi but I can't get the so called scifi channel here. Other channels are broadcasting stuff very late |
| 22:57.21 | JeffM2501 | Tivo |
| 22:57.25 | JeffM2501 | it's all about the tivo |
| 22:57.46 | ToughShooter | ~dict tivo |
| 22:58.07 | JeffM2501 | oh wow |
| 22:58.11 | JeffM2501 | it's a product |
| 22:58.13 | JeffM2501 | not a word |
| 22:58.18 | RPG_ | ~tivo |
| 22:58.23 | ibot | i guess tivo is a personal video recorder. It rules insanely, and it's homepage is at http://www.tivo.com/ or a PowerPC-based Linux machine |
| 22:58.42 | JeffM2501 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivo |
| 22:59.35 | ToughShooter | Never heard of that |
| 23:00.00 | JeffM2501 | have you lived under a rock for the past 3 years? |
| 23:00.30 | JeffM2501 | how can you know now about DVRs |
| 23:00.59 | JeffM2501 | heck apple will probably turn the mini into a DVR at some point |
| 23:01.16 | ToughShooter | ~dict DVR |
| 23:01.27 | JeffM2501 | Digital Video Recorder |
| 23:01.32 | JeffM2501 | Dict dosn't have all things |
| 23:01.43 | JeffM2501 | !dict tivo |
| 23:01.44 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: No definition for 'tivo' could be found. |
| 23:01.53 | JeffM2501 | !wikipedia |
| 23:01.54 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: Buy me dinner first. |
| 23:01.57 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:02.10 | ToughShooter | The old stuff worked good enough so I didn't really cared but now it has changed |
| 23:02.39 | Aribeth | TheLastSpartan must be hungry |
| 23:02.40 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: Huh? |
| 23:02.59 | ToughShooter | TheLastSpartan: botsnack |
| 23:03.00 | TheLastSpartan | No thanks |
| 23:03.10 | Aribeth | TheLastSpartan are you hungry? |
| 23:03.11 | TheLastSpartan | Wish I knew. |
| 23:03.16 | Aribeth | lol |
| 23:03.21 | ToughShooter | Either he doesn't like me or he isn't hungry |
| 23:03.22 | JeffM2501 | naw she just like to make people work for her favors |
| 23:03.33 | Aribeth | yep |
| 23:03.55 | JeffM2501 | momma allways told her "don't give it up for free, make em work" |
| 23:04.15 | Aribeth | :) |
| 23:04.22 | ToughShooter | heh |
| 23:05.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/common/src/prefs.cpp: move config out of my docs dir, and into the proper 'application data" dir |
| 23:05.48 | ToughShooter | bah, tivo needs a phone line |
| 23:05.56 | JeffM2501 | depends what one you get |
| 23:06.11 | JeffM2501 | many can use a USB networking thing and use the net |
| 23:07.37 | JeffM2501 | other people make DVRs too |
| 23:07.57 | JeffM2501 | heck, you can turn your PC into one with freevo |
| 23:08.35 | ToughShooter | Only Macs here... |
| 23:08.40 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 23:08.48 | JeffM2501 | a mac is also a personal computer is it not? |
| 23:09.12 | JeffM2501 | freevo is not tied to intell hardware |
| 23:09.22 | ToughShooter | Many argue the way against |
| 23:09.39 | JeffM2501 | oh yeah sorry, the mac is a way of life |
| 23:09.50 | JeffM2501 | you don't own it, it owns you :) |
| 23:10.08 | JeffM2501 | freevo is open source, it should be ported/portable to many things |
| 23:10.16 | bryjen | in soviet russia... ? |
| 23:10.34 | JeffM2501 | I think in soviet russia, you own a mac :) |
| 23:11.33 | ToughShooter | Well, I can't connect the cable directly to my computer so I need hardware |
| 23:11.38 | JeffM2501 | the mini with a firewire tuner would make a good one |
| 23:11.48 | JeffM2501 | one mouse button is good for working with a remote |
| 23:12.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah you get USB/PCI/FIREWIRE tuners |
| 23:12.03 | JeffM2501 | they exist |
| 23:12.07 | wizatmac | for mac? |
| 23:12.14 | wizatmac | i've been looking for one for a while |
| 23:12.22 | JeffM2501 | the mac does not support standard USB? |
| 23:12.30 | wizatmac | it does |
| 23:12.37 | wizatmac | just most companies don't offer drivers |
| 23:12.43 | JeffM2501 | then the hardware dosn't have to be "for the mac" |
| 23:13.03 | wizatmac | the software does though |
| 23:13.03 | JeffM2501 | http://daystartechnology.com/Apple_Mac_Products/XLR8_Macintosh_Products/Mac_USB_Video_Capture_OSX_PS.html |
| 23:13.19 | JeffM2501 | it's like people can't do a simple google search these days |
| 23:13.28 | JeffM2501 | guess you didn't look very hard :) |
| 23:13.59 | wizatmac | JeffM2501: i already have something to do that |
| 23:14.03 | wizatmac | i just want a tuner |
| 23:14.51 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: The connector cable I have is missing on that picture... |
| 23:14.58 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.58 | JeffM2501 | Hauppauge MyTV TV-Tuner USB |
| 23:15.15 | JeffM2501 | you need tuners |
| 23:15.17 | JeffM2501 | there are many |
| 23:16.18 | wizatmac | well |
| 23:16.20 | wizatmac | i was wrong |
| 23:16.26 | ToughShooter | I should ask one relative, he owns a computer company and is likely to be competent |
| 23:16.32 | wizatmac | thanks for pointing out that mac tuner cards exist =) |
| 23:16.37 | JeffM2501 | many of them seem to support both windows and OSX |
| 23:16.49 | JeffM2501 | there are probably also linux drivers for many of them |
| 23:17.06 | JeffM2501 | for a proper freevo you want the system to just do the recording |
| 23:17.22 | JeffM2501 | install linux, let it go to town :) |
| 23:17.22 | ToughShooter | In my case it's no good because I don't even know how my connector cable is called |
| 23:17.36 | JeffM2501 | is it threaded? |
| 23:17.43 | JeffM2501 | little thing that spins? |
| 23:17.54 | JeffM2501 | and a pointy wire in the middle? |
| 23:18.00 | ToughShooter | one thing in the middle and round outside |
| 23:18.04 | JeffM2501 | goes into a plug that looks like a bolt? |
| 23:18.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's coax |
| 23:18.14 | JeffM2501 | all tuners will have that in |
| 23:18.18 | JeffM2501 | it's not special |
| 23:18.21 | JeffM2501 | normal cable stuff |
| 23:18.26 | JeffM2501 | unless your on satalite |
| 23:18.48 | JeffM2501 | you have a dish on your roof? |
| 23:19.06 | ToughShooter | We have a sat system, too but I wanna use an terrestrial antenna |
| 23:19.11 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 23:19.14 | JeffM2501 | old school RF |
| 23:19.16 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 23:19.21 | JeffM2501 | non digital signal |
| 23:19.39 | bryjen | he said DVB |
| 23:19.39 | ToughShooter | We've existing hardware I don't want to break |
| 23:19.47 | ToughShooter | DVB-T |
| 23:20.13 | JeffM2501 | ahh that stuff |
| 23:20.21 | JeffM2501 | I prefer my direct TV |
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| 23:20.33 | JeffM2501 | and 50$ tivo |
| 23:20.38 | bryjen | digital TV from broadcast towers |
| 23:20.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:20.51 | JeffM2501 | how many channels are doing that? |
| 23:21.08 | bryjen | eventually, all of them ;) |
| 23:21.18 | JeffM2501 | so all 13 of them? |
| 23:21.25 | ToughShooter | In germany terrestrial signals are _only_ digital |
| 23:21.29 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:21.31 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 23:21.37 | JeffM2501 | how many channels? |
| 23:21.39 | ToughShooter | at least in most parts of it |
| 23:22.05 | ToughShooter | around 40 but our antenna isn't big enough for all of them |
| 23:22.08 | JeffM2501 | and does it send program data over too? or just the stream? |
| 23:23.09 | ToughShooter | What do you mean with program data? In the receiver theirs a menu showing content of all stations |
| 23:23.24 | ToughShooter | s/theirs/there is |
| 23:23.33 | ep | After a clean 5.10 kubuntu install, glxgears appears to run slower than it did on 5.04 (a lot slower). For some reason fps is not being reported and i get this err msg: |
| 23:23.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah, start/end times, what is on for 2 weeks, info about the show |
| 23:23.42 | JeffM2501 | data that is not audio or video |
| 23:23.43 | ep | X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown) |
| 23:23.56 | JeffM2501 | ep, install your video drivers |
| 23:24.03 | ToughShooter | That's there, IIRC |
| 23:24.03 | JeffM2501 | default distros don't include them |
| 23:24.08 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, cool |
| 23:24.29 | JeffM2501 | I like the album and artist info on the digigial music channels |
| 23:24.32 | ep | I just did that, glx gears wouldn't run at all without em, no? |
| 23:24.41 | JeffM2501 | and the program info during adds for other shows |
| 23:24.44 | JeffM2501 | makes it realy easy |
| 23:24.52 | JeffM2501 | ep, what card do you have? |
| 23:25.00 | JeffM2501 | and yes it would run with out them in software mesa |
| 23:25.05 | ep | Nvidia 5200 fx |
| 23:25.07 | JeffM2501 | or using DRI |
| 23:25.11 | JeffM2501 | where did you get your drivers? |
| 23:25.40 | JeffM2501 | in your x config, does it say your driver is "nv" or "nvidia" |
| 23:26.17 | ep | ubuntu has a package apt-get. Its the same think i did on the previous kubuntu install (earlier version) and in that case everything worked |
| 23:26.37 | JeffM2501 | check your x config |
| 23:26.37 | ep | xorg.cong says "nvidia" |
| 23:26.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah then you shoudl be running it |
| 23:26.54 | JeffM2501 | you may have diferent optiosn set then |
| 23:27.02 | ep | plus I got the nvidia splash screen |
| 23:27.10 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:27.15 | JeffM2501 | that does help prove it :) |
| 23:27.24 | JeffM2501 | how much slower is it? |
| 23:28.12 | Tupone | ep: glxinfo ? |
| 23:28.13 | ep | A heck of a lot slower and after i exit gxgears i get the above error message |
| 23:28.59 | ep | Plus glxgears used to report fps now its not doing that |
| 23:29.10 | JeffM2501 | what error do you get? |
| 23:29.25 | ep | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.28 | Tupone | ep: if you want cam past xorg.conf, xorg.log, glxinfo on bzflag.pastebin.org |
| 23:29.51 | ep | ok give me a few |
| 23:34.31 | ep | that pastbin is under construction or something. I can't use it |
| 23:34.43 | Tupone | ~bzpastebin |
| 23:34.45 | ibot | i heard bzpastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 23:35.03 | Tupone | sry :/ |
| 23:36.10 | ep | ok i pasted xorg.conf, you want me to do more on a single paste? |
| 23:37.00 | Tupone | do you mind pasting here the url of your pasting? |
| 23:39.08 | ep | ok this is xorg.cong and the glxinfo output: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/25521 |
| 23:39.31 | ep | I dont know where xorg.log is |
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| 23:42.49 | ep | I read that Renderaccell has a bug/memory leak. but i wasn't sure if i needed to add a line to xorg.conf or not |
| 23:43.44 | Tupone | /var/log/X11 |
| 23:44.28 | Tupone | remove dri from xorg.conf |
| 23:44.33 | ep | ok i'll paste that -- have the amdk7 kernel btw |
| 23:44.52 | Tupone | and glcore |
| 23:45.33 | JeffM2501 | dri is evil |
| 23:45.37 | Tupone | ep, don't paste nothing until you have fixed those |
| 23:45.39 | JeffM2501 | it burns and it stings |
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| 23:46.28 | Tupone | if you actually read NVIDIA readme, it says what you have to do. Those are one of the things you missed |
| 23:46.50 | JeffM2501 | the ubantu package often misses it |
| 23:47.01 | JeffM2501 | I had to remove it on one install manualy |
| 23:47.37 | ep | Ok i remove dri and glcore, see how it goes and report back. Anything else? |
| 23:47.45 | Tupone | nope for now |
| 23:47.51 | JeffM2501 | that usualy gets it good |
| 23:48.35 | ep | Do i need Option "RenderAccel" "false" ? Something about this on kubuntu help page |
| 23:48.53 | Tupone | better have false |
| 23:49.08 | JeffM2501 | you shuld not need any settings by default IIRC |
| 23:49.29 | ep | right now theres nothing, no line in xorg.conf. Is the default false? |
| 23:49.43 | Tupone | leave as it is |
| 23:49.55 | JeffM2501 | just restartX and see how it goes |
| 23:49.56 | ep | ok thanks guys. I 'll let ya know |
| 23:55.55 | ep | First on Dri, I just remove the single line "load dri" in the Module section? There is also a DRI section. Do i leave this? |
| 23:56.48 | Tupone | section and line |
| 23:56.57 | Tupone | remove everything |
| 23:57.38 | JeffM2501 | well once you get rid of the module, the section won't be used, but it's good to remove it |