| 00:00.07 | JeffM2501 | you can't really read anything about the world tho |
| 00:00.20 | Thumper_ | I don't care what is in it - just if it has an error ot nor |
| 00:00.22 | Thumper_ | or not* |
| 00:00.36 | JeffM2501 | how would the plugin know if there was an error? |
| 00:00.40 | Thumper_ | it won't |
| 00:00.49 | Thumper_ | pluging will do normal shutdown - and only get called if map is okay |
| 00:01.00 | Thumper_ | because bzfs would exit with error status before that if map was bad |
| 00:01.02 | Thumper_ | right? |
| 00:01.21 | JeffM2501 | bzfs would error out, and never call your event |
| 00:01.32 | Thumper_ | right. |
| 00:01.45 | Thumper_ | the whole point of the plugin would be to PREVENT bzfs from running |
| 00:01.48 | Thumper_ | with a good map |
| 00:02.08 | JeffM2501 | I don't understand? |
| 00:02.10 | Thumper_ | ie just check hte map for validity |
| 00:02.14 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 00:02.19 | JeffM2501 | so when would you call shutdown? |
| 00:02.21 | JeffM2501 | in the init? |
| 00:02.21 | Thumper_ | but -cacheout does the same thing |
| 00:02.23 | Thumper_ | yes |
| 00:02.33 | Thumper_ | on plugin load code shutdown the server |
| 00:02.34 | JeffM2501 | the init for plugins is called BEFORE the map is loaded |
| 00:02.39 | Thumper_ | oh :( |
| 00:02.43 | Thumper_ | ok nevermidn then :) |
| 00:02.45 | JeffM2501 | map is loaded after the plugins |
| 00:03.07 | Thumper_ | i'll just use -cacheout :) |
| 00:03.09 | Thumper_ | since that works |
| 00:03.19 | Thumper_ | but creates the cached map file which I don't really need |
| 00:03.34 | JeffM2501 | has to be, because the plugin can do stuff at map load time ( custom objects, or define the world ) |
| 00:03.46 | Thumper_ | ok (didn't know that) |
| 00:03.51 | Thumper_ | are you feeling better today? |
| 00:03.56 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:03.57 | JeffM2501 | thanks :) |
| 00:03.58 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 00:04.00 | JeffM2501 | I can move more :) |
| 00:04.05 | Thumper_ | Yay! |
| 00:04.16 | JeffM2501 | arm still hurts from the gash tho |
| 00:05.19 | Thumper_ | :/ ?gash? you only talked about your back-end yesterday ;) |
| 00:05.31 | JeffM2501 | cut my arm on the way down too |
| 00:05.58 | Thumper_ | you should wake up in the morning before negotiating stairs... |
| 00:06.16 | JeffM2501 | I was fully awake |
| 00:06.20 | JeffM2501 | they are just slipery |
| 00:06.26 | JeffM2501 | and don't have banisters |
| 00:06.35 | Thumper_ | ick |
| 00:07.02 | JeffM2501 | and I had my hands full |
| 00:07.12 | Thumper_ | for a little while... |
| 00:08.46 | Thumper_ | if you hands were full.. doesn't sound like railing would have helped much |
| 00:08.55 | Thumper_ | your* |
| 00:09.25 | Thumper_ | damp steel stairs by any chance? |
| 00:09.38 | JeffM2501 | no wood ones |
| 00:09.41 | JeffM2501 | and I was in socks |
| 00:09.48 | Thumper_ | ah |
| 00:09.57 | JeffM2501 | wood flooring here in most of the house |
| 00:10.06 | Thumper_ | wooly socks on freshly waxed wood floors = bad |
| 00:10.49 | brlcad | it's regex format, at least something familiar .. should probably be more strictly regexified or at least more formally defined somehow |
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| 00:27.54 | trepan | brlcad: yup, it just isn't really suited to that particular task, (2 + (2 * N)) type expressions would be better |
| 00:28.26 | trepan | then again, those objects aren't intended to be written by hand, so it doesn't much matter |
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| 00:37.06 | Ice_Wewe | is there a server out there that wont ban me for a retarted reason? |
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| 00:37.50 | Ice_Wewe | blah |
| 00:37.52 | Ice_Wewe | bad evening |
| 00:39.46 | Ice_Wewe | ok, this is getting annoying |
| 00:39.49 | Ice_Wewe | so much so |
| 00:40.00 | Ice_Wewe | that I am now considering not playing anymore |
| 00:40.03 | Ice_Wewe | at all |
| 00:40.10 | Ice_Wewe | my maps will be closed to the public |
| 00:40.20 | Ice_Wewe | and I will stop existing |
| 00:40.24 | trepan | ok, bye |
| 00:40.27 | Ice_Wewe | infact, lets try it |
| 00:40.28 | Ice_Wewe | bye |
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| 00:41.13 | trepan | oh no, what have i encouraged? the horror |
| 01:06.00 | JeffM2501 | can you say drama queen? |
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| 02:14.21 | bz5237 | does anyone know how do do textures in bzw |
| 02:14.53 | bz5237 | ?? |
| 02:18.15 | bz5237 | can anyone help me with bzw related issues |
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| 03:01.45 | learner | trepan, that was sort of related to why I'd lean towards a regex over something more generically familiar because they're not easy to write by hand.. regexes are exactly what I'm having to convert them to for a parser anyways, hence my preference ;) |
| 03:08.20 | trepan | learner: <integer>{0..*} actually works for any of them, incompletes are discarded :) |
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| 03:10.26 | RPG_ | ping JeffM2501 / any BZBB admin |
| 03:11.17 | learner | RPG_, just say it |
| 03:11.26 | RPG_ | can you announce this thread: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=52490 |
| 03:11.54 | RPG_ | jsut says what masterbot's generally about |
| 03:12.31 | learner | done |
| 03:12.35 | RPG_ | thanks |
| 03:12.39 | RPG_ | ~learner++ |
| 03:13.22 | DTRemenak | RPG_: I set you moderator of the Masterbot forum. you may now set your own post flags ;) |
| 03:13.39 | RPG_ | horray |
| 03:13.43 | RPG_ | ~DTRemenak++ |
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| 03:22.15 | RPG_ | hey SGK284 |
| 03:22.18 | RPG_ | long time no see |
| 03:22.50 | sgk284 | hey RPG_ ! |
| 03:22.53 | sgk284 | indeed |
| 03:23.12 | sgk284 | been following the darpa grand challenge? pretty exciting stuff |
| 03:23.17 | sgk284 | i guess, if your a geek :) |
| 03:23.21 | RPG_ | never heard of that |
| 03:24.18 | sgk284 | oh okay heh, its a race that darpa sponsors for autonomous vehicles to race a 135 mile course with no user interaction, pretty neat... last year everyone failed, noone made it apst 7 miles. this year 3 teams finished the whole race |
| 03:24.34 | RPG_ | wow |
| 03:24.35 | RPG_ | i'm reading now |
| 03:25.59 | RPG_ | thats a nice prize |
| 03:26.14 | RPG_ | seeing as you could rig an old pickup with a servo steering wheel and throttle to do it :0 |
| 03:26.52 | trepan | learner: does the mac 2.0.4 pkg use its own libcurl? |
| 03:27.21 | sgk284 | heh |
| 03:27.30 | learner | trepan, it's supposed to, yes |
| 03:27.54 | learner | compiled a version just for it, it's included in the bundle as a framework |
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| 03:35.30 | RPG_ | bug in "/isban": Whenever I type something logical such as "/isban 23.42.52.133", it returns an unknown command message |
| 03:36.36 | bryjen | you mean /checkip ? |
| 03:37.25 | RPG_ | when i type /checkip, it tells me to type "/isban" |
| 03:38.37 | RPG_ | observer works fine, though |
| 03:39.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/BanCommands.cxx: isban -> checkip |
| 03:41.37 | RPG_ | Hmmm. How did my Announcement in the masterbot forum get un-announcitized? |
| 03:41.49 | RPG_ | odd |
| 03:46.48 | JeffM2501 | did the primary buffer panel just fall of my ship? |
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| 03:49.51 | Mayhem | Are there, perchance, debs for 2.0.4 on the way? |
| 03:51.55 | JeffM2501 | tim would be the person to make one and submit it to apt |
| 03:52.09 | Mayhem | yes, that's what I was thinking |
| 03:52.24 | blast007 | you could grab the source tar if you want to compile 2.0.4 |
| 03:53.00 | Mayhem | yes, which leads me to the problem I am having with configure... |
| 03:53.26 | Mayhem | It won't building the client because it complains of a missing gl.h |
| 03:54.12 | JeffM2501 | probalby need the pthreads thing |
| 03:54.48 | Mayhem | looks to be pthread related, by the config.log |
| 03:54.53 | Mayhem | how do I fix? |
| 03:55.13 | learner | woah.. howdy Mayhem :) |
| 03:55.13 | JeffM2501 | there is a thing you put on the config command to do pthreads |
| 03:55.17 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 03:55.39 | learner | someone made a deb earlier today iirc |
| 03:55.43 | JeffM2501 | or that guy may know |
| 03:55.48 | JeffM2501 | learner, where did they put it? |
| 03:55.57 | learner | already looking |
| 03:55.59 | JeffM2501 | I saw somone say they were doing it |
| 03:56.24 | Mayhem | hey learner ;) |
| 03:56.28 | Mayhem | long time no see ;) |
| 03:56.48 | learner | Mayhem: http://balin.pimpi.org/bzflag/bzflag_2.0.5.20051008-1_i386.deb |
| 03:57.20 | Mayhem | Is this a debian-specific problem? |
| 03:57.44 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 03:57.55 | JeffM2501 | the config error is misleading |
| 03:58.05 | JeffM2501 | it's not that it can't find the gl.h |
| 03:58.13 | JeffM2501 | it's that it can't run the test program |
| 03:58.17 | Mayhem | yes |
| 03:58.24 | JeffM2501 | usualy beacuse your gl lib was built with pthreads |
| 03:58.30 | JeffM2501 | so you have to tell config to use it |
| 03:58.36 | Mayhem | ah, I see |
| 03:58.42 | JeffM2501 | it's mostly just a problem with our config :) |
| 03:58.50 | learner | it is sorta debian specific .. the X11 debs or the nvidia install ends up installing a misconfigured library iirc |
| 03:59.06 | JeffM2501 | i've seen it happen in others |
| 03:59.18 | JeffM2501 | debian is probalby just the most popular one with it |
| 03:59.22 | learner | others that install the nvidia drivers ;) |
| 03:59.32 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 03:59.34 | learner | probably |
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| 04:29.02 | Mayhem | automake etc. are such a mystery |
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| 04:31.12 | Topplesquat | hello? |
| 04:31.35 | Mayhem | hi Topplesquat |
| 04:31.35 | Topplesquat | anyone around? |
| 04:31.49 | Topplesquat | can you help me with the bzflag game? |
| 04:32.08 | Mayhem | what kind of help do you need? |
| 04:32.44 | Topplesquat | I have it installed. But whenever I type in BZFLAG, it says Can't open display. Exiting. |
| 04:33.24 | Mayhem | where are you typing 'bzflag'? in an xterminal? |
| 04:33.30 | Topplesquat | its driving me nuts |
| 04:33.34 | Topplesquat | yes |
| 04:33.43 | Mayhem | type 'echo $DISPLAY' and tell me what it shows |
| 04:34.05 | JeffM2501 | pobably no GL |
| 04:34.06 | Topplesquat | it shows nothing |
| 04:34.16 | JeffM2501 | what video card do you have? |
| 04:34.30 | Topplesquat | hmm its a laptop |
| 04:34.34 | Topplesquat | Im unsure |
| 04:34.36 | JeffM2501 | what cipset? |
| 04:34.40 | Topplesquat | It was givin to me |
| 04:34.40 | JeffM2501 | ether get mesa |
| 04:34.44 | Mayhem | it should have a DISPLAY var set though... |
| 04:34.46 | Topplesquat | Pentium III |
| 04:34.55 | JeffM2501 | Mayhem, not if he dosnt' have any GL |
| 04:35.07 | JeffM2501 | ether find the chipset and install the drivers for it |
| 04:35.10 | JeffM2501 | or install mesa |
| 04:35.12 | JeffM2501 | software GL |
| 04:35.17 | Topplesquat | display: unable to open X server `'. |
| 04:35.20 | Mayhem | yes, every X app needs the dislay |
| 04:35.24 | Mayhem | Topplesquat, type 'xclock' |
| 04:35.31 | Mayhem | does that work? |
| 04:35.43 | Topplesquat | no. cant open display |
| 04:35.55 | Mayhem | type 'export DISPLAY:0.0' |
| 04:36.00 | Mayhem | then xclock |
| 04:36.11 | Mayhem | oops |
| 04:36.19 | Mayhem | type 'export DISPLAY=:0.0' |
| 04:36.43 | Topplesquat | still cant open display |
| 04:37.18 | Mayhem | is this a normal user terminal? not logged in as root? |
| 04:37.30 | Topplesquat | yea |
| 04:37.39 | Topplesquat | no wait. It is a root console |
| 04:37.44 | Mayhem | ! |
| 04:38.03 | BenUrban | why are you playing bzflag as root? |
| 04:38.11 | Mayhem | you need to run it as the same user who is logged into X |
| 04:38.53 | Topplesquat | ohh man. Thats all? It worked. heh |
| 04:38.58 | Mayhem | :) |
| 04:39.01 | Topplesquat | thanks yo |
| 04:39.07 | BenUrban | why would you change to root to start bzflag anyway? |
| 04:39.24 | Topplesquat | its from the same window I compiled it in |
| 04:39.26 | Mayhem | to get super-root-ownage powers |
| 04:39.29 | Topplesquat | I didnt even thing about that |
| 04:39.30 | BenUrban | ... |
| 04:39.34 | BenUrban | You Idiot (TM) |
| 04:39.45 | BenUrban | you don't need to compile as root wither |
| 04:39.46 | Mayhem | you don't need to be root to compile it either... |
| 04:39.47 | BenUrban | *either |
| 04:39.48 | Topplesquat | yes I reach |
| 04:39.51 | Mayhem | JINX |
| 04:39.59 | BenUrban | i misspelled it :D |
| 04:40.05 | Topplesquat | well it wont let me make anything unless im root |
| 04:40.09 | BenUrban | ... |
| 04:40.11 | BenUrban | yes it will |
| 04:40.25 | BenUrban | unless you screwed up your system |
| 04:40.32 | Mayhem | it just won't let you install it to /usr/whatever unless you are root |
| 04:40.34 | Topplesquat | which is possible |
| 04:40.39 | BenUrban | in which case you probably sholdn't have root access |
| 04:40.45 | BenUrban | ;) |
| 04:41.01 | Mayhem | root = ability to root everything up |
| 04:41.22 | Topplesquat | well crap |
| 04:41.40 | BenUrban | what distro are you using? |
| 04:41.46 | Topplesquat | MEPPIS |
| 04:41.52 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 04:41.54 | BenUrban | never heard of it |
| 04:41.58 | Topplesquat | my other computer has gentoo |
| 04:42.04 | BenUrban | ... |
| 04:42.05 | Mayhem | is that debian based? |
| 04:42.08 | BenUrban | and you admin that computer? |
| 04:42.08 | Topplesquat | yes |
| 04:42.12 | BenUrban | gentoo is not |
| 04:42.16 | BenUrban | lol |
| 04:42.21 | Mayhem | I mean Mepis |
| 04:42.22 | Topplesquat | well it uses the same packages |
| 04:42.24 | BenUrban | ah |
| 04:42.28 | Mayhem | ok |
| 04:42.44 | Mayhem | thanks to linux, every man and his dog can now be root :) |
| 04:42.59 | Mayhem | well, they could before, but they didn't know they wanted to |
| 04:43.01 | BenUrban | so every man starts rooting his dog |
| 04:43.11 | BenUrban | sounds like a bad thing :P |
| 04:43.14 | Topplesquat | Im no master linx user. I've officaly wrote off every microsoft product forever |
| 04:43.20 | Topplesquat | SO I just started |
| 04:43.21 | Mayhem | such filthy language :O |
| 04:43.25 | BenUrban | lol |
| 04:43.36 | BenUrban | it's spelled "lynx" or "links" |
| 04:43.38 | BenUrban | ;) |
| 04:43.42 | Topplesquat | I worked for them for awhile, they can all die |
| 04:43.46 | BenUrban | sorry couldn't resist |
| 04:43.51 | Topplesquat | its ok |
| 04:43.56 | BenUrban | anyway |
| 04:43.58 | Topplesquat | its part of being a N00b or whatever |
| 04:44.12 | BenUrban | first thing you need to know about any unix-like system |
| 04:44.24 | BenUrban | never be root unless you absolutely have to |
| 04:44.43 | Topplesquat | good to know. Thanks |
| 04:44.59 | BenUrban | second thing you need to know is that changing users to run an x app is quirky at best |
| 04:45.13 | BenUrban | though there are programs that make it simple |
| 04:45.20 | BenUrban | gksu, kdesu, etc |
| 04:45.25 | Mayhem | thats what 'xhost +' is for ;) |
| 04:45.32 | BenUrban | i said quirky |
| 04:45.41 | BenUrban | never got it to work without gksu |
| 04:45.58 | BenUrban | never was inclined to try more than maybe once |
| 04:46.09 | BenUrban | lol |
| 04:46.21 | BenUrban | hey gimme some of that |
| 04:46.25 | BenUrban | pass the joint around |
| 04:46.26 | BenUrban | ;) |
| 04:46.31 | BenUrban | heh |
| 04:46.50 | Mayhem | there is a Bzflag CGI irc setup? |
| 04:47.07 | BenUrban | yes there is |
| 04:47.31 | bryjen | hmm, maybe with the -goat option... |
| 04:47.34 | Mayhem | wow, we have all the mod-cons now :) |
| 04:50.26 | bryjen | it's somewhat like leaving your front door open. convenient, but all kinds of things wander in ;) |
| 04:50.59 | Mayhem | hah. |
| 04:51.21 | Mayhem | lets you interact with the whole of society |
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| 05:52.26 | gsnedders | which is sounds better/more grammatically correct: Not-Versioned, or Non-Versioned? |
| 06:04.52 | brlcad | gsnedders: not versioned or non-versioned, but not not-versioned |
| 06:05.52 | gsnedders | brlcad: gone for non-versioned |
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| 06:23.56 | trepan | ~spell versioned |
| 06:27.17 | WonderMop | we have a spellbot? |
| 06:27.51 | brlcad | ~lart WonderMop |
| 06:28.19 | WonderMop | hey! |
| 06:28.36 | WonderMop | i'm not that short... or that ugly... i hope. |
| 06:29.26 | WonderMop | ~lart brlcad |
| 06:29.43 | WonderMop | evil spellbot :) |
| 06:30.20 | brlcad | ~ibot |
| 06:30.24 | ibot | it has been said that ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
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| 12:00.05 | teh_conqerer | uugh.. soo tired |
| 12:00.12 | teh_conqerer | just endured a 12 hour non-stop counter strike LAN |
| 12:02.06 | defcon8 | 12 hour |
| 12:02.08 | defcon8 | lol |
| 12:02.12 | defcon8 | what version? |
| 12:10.07 | teh_conqerer | 1.5 |
| 12:10.21 | teh_conqerer | i cant close my eyes |
| 12:10.30 | teh_conqerer | too much redbull |
| 12:10.58 | teh_conqerer | time to try to sleep now |
| 12:11.01 | teh_conqerer | talk to you later |
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| 12:54.59 | orchid | !weather cyyz |
| 12:55.01 | TheLastSpartan | orchid: The current temperature in Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario is 39°F. |
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| 12:57.11 | florolf | hello |
| 12:58.19 | florolf | hum.. can i somehow tell the floorheight to the server? |
| 13:02.09 | jpa- | ? |
| 13:02.16 | jpa- | floorheight? |
| 13:05.41 | florolf | well, i want to clone a server for playing in lan, but the whole map is "above" the floor |
| 13:08.08 | jpa- | so? |
| 13:08.19 | jpa- | it shouldn't make any problems |
| 13:08.23 | jpa- | just copy the map |
| 13:08.39 | florolf | yes |
| 13:08.50 | florolf | hum |
| 13:09.09 | florolf | difficult to describe this |
| 13:09.43 | florolf | florolf.is-a-geek.net:4789 |
| 13:09.44 | florolf | see there |
| 13:14.26 | florolf | jpa-, works perfect, thanks |
| 13:14.52 | jpa- | np |
| 13:15.30 | Birdie | he helped you while he is blond?:P |
| 13:17.12 | jpa- | Birdie didn't help you while he has feathers? |
| 13:21.00 | Birdie | the difference is that you are really blond, but i dont have feathers |
| 13:22.04 | jpa- | nah, i spend a lot of time in this summer |
| 13:22.08 | jpa- | i'm not blond now |
| 13:22.18 | jpa- | *spent |
| 13:46.09 | brlcad | old file format question.. what would a number after "box" mean? e.g. box 600 ... end |
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| 16:10.42 | JeffM2501 | why do the kiddies keep wanting to steal my sig? |
| 16:22.56 | Birdie | they want to be like you? |
| 16:23.20 | jpa- | because people respect you "ohhhh, JeffM2501" :) |
| 16:23.34 | JeffM2501 | riiiiiiiggggghhhhhhtttttttttt :) |
| 16:26.51 | blast007 | ..cuz they're too lazy to make their own? :) |
| 16:27.57 | Birdie | i think blasty has the reaction with the most trueth in:) |
| 16:29.04 | JeffM2501 | must be |
| 16:29.09 | JeffM2501 | my current one sucks hard |
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| 16:43.46 | JeffM2501 | heh, scanner |
| 16:43.59 | JeffM2501 | if I couuld remember the login, I'd go kill it :) |
| 16:44.27 | ToughShooter | How can you forget? :o |
| 16:45.21 | JeffM2501 | it's a login system that was wierd |
| 16:45.25 | JeffM2501 | nid set it up for m |
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| 18:35.34 | Segora | Hi. Yesterday, bzflag 2.0.4 ran just fine (i.e. without the jumpy network problems I had w/ 2.0.2), today the stutter problem is back. Is Bug #1232512 back? Debian/sid w/ gcc 4. |
| 18:36.18 | Segora | I also noted servers identify as 2.0.3something, though I don't remember if they told 2.0.4 yesterday. |
| 18:39.45 | JeffM2501 | you sure your not running 2.0.2 by accedent? |
| 18:41.58 | Segora | ii bzflag 2.0.4.20050930 a 3D first person tank battle game |
| 18:42.01 | Segora | self-compiled |
| 18:43.02 | Segora | (with pbuilder in a clean sid chroot, updated yesterday) |
| 18:43.36 | JeffM2501 | well |
| 18:43.42 | JeffM2501 | software dosn't change itself |
| 18:43.53 | JeffM2501 | bugs just can't maigcaly reapear |
| 18:44.00 | JeffM2501 | it is probably something else |
| 18:44.50 | Segora | I suspected that the servers I tried may have downgraded for some reason. That's why I asked here, to find out if it's a well-known problem. |
| 18:44.58 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 18:45.03 | JeffM2501 | the problem wasn't on the server |
| 18:45.16 | JeffM2501 | many people were running cvs when 2.0.4 came out |
| 18:45.20 | JeffM2501 | so they are runing an RC |
| 18:45.29 | JeffM2501 | so it's it's marked as 2.0.3.xxxxxx |
| 18:45.30 | Segora | ah |
| 18:45.40 | JeffM2501 | the bug was fixed way long ago in 2.0.3 |
| 18:45.45 | JeffM2501 | for GCC4 |
| 18:46.58 | Segora | hmm. I just noticed todays update of my workstation brought in yet another gcc version. I'll try a fresh compile w/ 4.0.2. |
| 18:48.07 | Segora | Could it be possible that changes in libgcc from 4.0.1 to 4.0.2 could cause that effect? |
| 18:48.27 | JeffM2501 | if it updated the run time libs and there is an incompatability, sure |
| 18:49.24 | Segora | *sigh* big fun with complex systems... thank you for your input. Let's see if a recompile fixes the problem. |
| 18:49.33 | JeffM2501 | good luck |
| 18:49.36 | Segora | thank you |
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| 19:07.40 | bryjen | hehe. all the munchies what to be like jeff |
| 19:08.10 | JeffM2501 | I guess so |
| 19:25.32 | Segora | hmm. recompiling w/ 4.0.2 didn't fix the problem, unfortunately. :/ |
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| 20:02.33 | JeffM2501 | what else did you upgrade? |
| 20:07.25 | Segora | quite a lot... |
| 20:11.12 | JeffM2501 | your video drivers maybe? |
| 20:11.55 | Segora | hmm. Let me see when I changed from XFree86 to X.org... |
| 20:12.17 | JeffM2501 | what video card do you have? |
| 20:12.47 | Segora | nVidia Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x] (rev a1) |
| 20:13.21 | JeffM2501 | did you get the nvida drivers from the nvidia website? or are you using what debian ships with? |
| 20:13.33 | JeffM2501 | basicly does your x config say "nv" or "nvidia" for it's drivers |
| 20:13.48 | Segora | "nvidia" |
| 20:14.07 | JeffM2501 | that would be the real nvidia ones |
| 20:14.11 | JeffM2501 | you may want to upgrade those |
| 20:14.17 | JeffM2501 | from the nvidia website |
| 20:14.23 | JeffM2501 | they are not in a default debian package |
| 20:14.28 | JeffM2501 | so they probably didn't get updated for you |
| 20:14.34 | JeffM2501 | since they are closed source |
| 20:14.38 | Segora | let me check... |
| 20:15.20 | Pimpinella | i'd recommend using the debin packages |
| 20:15.27 | Segora | NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0-7174 Tue Mar 22 06:44:39 PST 2005 |
| 20:15.35 | Segora | (from /proc/driver/nvidia) |
| 20:15.39 | JeffM2501 | they link with some of the runtimes |
| 20:15.48 | JeffM2501 | you may want to reinsall them so they link with your updated libs etc... |
| 20:15.55 | Segora | ok. will try. |
| 20:16.03 | JeffM2501 | that's the only thing I can think f |
| 20:16.21 | Pimpinella | debian unstable will usually be quite up to date |
| 20:16.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah it will, but since the nvidias aren't fully "open" the drivers arn't in a package |
| 20:17.05 | JeffM2501 | so they may still be linked with his old stuff |
| 20:17.27 | Pimpinella | no, but they arn't linked |
| 20:17.46 | Pimpinella | the kernel module is linked against the kernel headers |
| 20:17.57 | JeffM2501 | there is a part that is open source, the interface and that is linked into something |
| 20:18.10 | JeffM2501 | I dono, I'm just thinking what it could be |
| 20:18.24 | JeffM2501 | ether that or it's some new problem in the latest GCC that screws us up AGAIN |
| 20:18.54 | Pimpinella | and X won't start up if the module isn't build against exactly the kernel version used |
| 20:19.01 | Pimpinella | maybe, yeah |
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| 20:21.17 | Segora | ok. reinstalled nvidia-glx, recompiled kernel module. will reboot since unloading the nvidia kernel module sometimes fscks up the system in creative ways. |
| 20:21.18 | Segora | brb |
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| 20:25.36 | bz8056 | connect as bot |
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| 20:26.02 | YveDeLarc | <- Segora.. re |
| 20:26.14 | YveDeLarc | let's try... |
| 20:26.55 | bz8056 | how do you test server with bots |
| 20:27.12 | bz8056 | from here |
| 20:27.19 | JeffM2501 | run the client with -solo ## |
| 20:27.26 | JeffM2501 | where ## is the number of bots you want |
| 20:27.40 | JeffM2501 | bots are client side, not server, they will join what ever server you join |
| 20:28.10 | bz8056 | i can do that but wiki said you can have bots tested from this link to see if it is public |
| 20:28.24 | JeffM2501 | ohh |
| 20:28.28 | JeffM2501 | the ibot thing |
| 20:28.34 | JeffM2501 | what is your server address and port? |
| 20:29.06 | bz8056 | armyofone.game-host 6564 |
| 20:29.32 | YveDeLarc | the behaviour hasn't changed noticably. When testing against a local server, I noticed that everything is smooth as long as I don't shoot. When I shoot, the client hangs for a few seconds. |
| 20:29.42 | JeffM2501 | that isnt' a complete URL |
| 20:29.45 | JeffM2501 | is it game-host.com |
| 20:30.01 | JeffM2501 | YveDeLarc, ewww, dono man |
| 20:30.19 | JeffM2501 | ibot bzfsquery armyofone.game-host.com:6464 |
| 20:30.23 | YveDeLarc | JeffM2501: thanks for helping anyway |
| 20:30.34 | blast007 | ~bzfquery armyofone.game-host.com:6564 |
| 20:30.40 | bz8056 | sorry armyofone.game-host.org 6564 |
| 20:31.00 | JeffM2501 | ibot bzfquery armyofone.game-host.org:6464 |
| 20:31.18 | JeffM2501 | ibot bzfquery armyofone.game-host.org:6564 |
| 20:31.23 | JeffM2501 | would help if I could type today |
| 20:31.29 | JeffM2501 | dosn't look like it's responding tho |
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| 20:32.06 | blast007 | ~bzfquery armyofone.game-host.org:6564 |
| 20:32.07 | bz8056 | my server is up on pub list and people can join why not ibot do you think |
| 20:32.55 | JeffM2501 | ibot kinda sucks :) |
| 20:33.22 | bz8056 | oh ok no prob-just was curious on how to do that |
| 20:33.36 | blast007 | is your server running right now? nmap says 6564 is filtered |
| 20:33.49 | YveDeLarc | hmm. What are the possible options for the audio driver string? |
| 20:34.03 | bz8056 | yes it is |
| 20:34.25 | bz8056 | port is 6564 |
| 20:35.01 | bz8056 | if you go to pub list like when you play its there and you can join |
| 20:35.35 | JeffM2501 | YveDeLarc, depends on what your SDL was built with |
| 20:35.55 | JeffM2501 | the sdl docs have all the environ vars that SDL will take, and that's all those fields do, is set those vars |
| 20:36.22 | blast007 | bz8056: k, telnet shows it is working, so ibot is indeed just stupid right now :) |
| 20:36.31 | YveDeLarc | JeffM2501: ah... thanks, will read the docs now. |
| 20:36.40 | blast007 | ~bzfquery armyofone.game-host.org:6545 |
| 20:38.27 | bz8056 | thanks for the help |
| 20:40.59 | blast007 | ah, I see what we were doing wrong...he gave us the wrong port :P |
| 20:41.10 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:41.14 | blast007 | wasn't until I copied it from the list that it worked |
| 20:49.12 | YveDeLarc | well... changing the audio driver to alsa didn't help. |
| 20:49.40 | YveDeLarc | Does building with --enable-debug only add symbols or does it also enable extra checks (assertions e.g.) |
| 20:55.27 | JeffM2501 | it may cause it to do some more checks and rending options, but mostly it builds symbols for like GDB |
| 20:56.52 | florolf | nacht |
| 20:58.54 | YveDeLarc | hmm. I wonder how to debug this... The only thing I can think of so far is going down from the toploop, adding timeout alarms to every block (assuming there is a single toploop). Any suggestion where to look for it? |
| 20:59.45 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 20:59.49 | JeffM2501 | have you checked your settings |
| 21:00.01 | JeffM2501 | see if any graphical settings help it out? |
| 21:00.05 | JeffM2501 | or have you tried CVS? |
| 21:00.12 | YveDeLarc | not yet |
| 21:00.21 | YveDeLarc | ok, will try video settings first. |
| 21:00.28 | JeffM2501 | I'd start there before you dig into profiling the thing :) |
| 21:01.33 | YveDeLarc | well, lowest quality video settings didn't help |
| 21:01.46 | YveDeLarc | next try: cvs... |
| 21:16.15 | TD-Linux | if it takes several seconds for notepad to proccess a line return, does that mean my bzw is too big? ;) |
| 21:17.01 | YveDeLarc | no, it means you should install Emacs *duck* *run* :) |
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| 21:18.27 | TD-Linux | emacs is awesome! can I get it for windows? |
| 21:18.33 | YveDeLarc | sure |
| 21:18.45 | TD-Linux | I use xemacs, but never thought I could get it on the windows machine |
| 21:19.16 | TD-Linux | SW is utterly useless on my map, so I made 20 of them :P |
| 21:19.17 | YveDeLarc | http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html |
| 21:19.42 | TD-Linux | hmmm.... |
| 21:19.50 | TD-Linux | +f US{100} |
| 21:27.04 | YveDeLarc | ok... the problem is still present in today's cvs |
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| 21:29.48 | TD-Linux | my server isn't working |
| 21:30.25 | TD-Linux | it uses a big map |
| 21:30.39 | TD-Linux | it gets to where it generates a md5, then stops |
| 21:30.52 | TD-Linux | 100% cpu usage |
| 21:30.57 | TD-Linux | but nothing happens |
| 21:31.01 | TD-Linux | it's a very big map |
| 21:31.18 | TD-Linux | 1.5 mb |
| 21:31.34 | Tupone | what OS ? :) |
| 21:31.50 | TD-Linux | have a guess |
| 21:32.01 | TD-Linux | it's a few weeks old cvs |
| 21:32.10 | TD-Linux | it works on other maps |
| 21:32.18 | Tupone | have you tried to -cacheout ? |
| 21:32.18 | TD-Linux | this one is 1.5 megabytes, and it fails :( |
| 21:32.23 | TD-Linux | ok... I try that |
| 21:33.00 | TD-Linux | what file extension for caches? |
| 21:33.18 | Tupone | choose one |
| 21:33.22 | Tupone | .bzc ? |
| 21:33.25 | TD-Linux | bzc ? |
| 21:33.33 | TD-Linux | you type faster :P |
| 21:33.34 | Tupone | dunno, noone care about |
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| 21:34.34 | TD-Linux | same problem I get |
| 21:35.01 | TD-Linux | Compression: 0.971 seconds |
| 21:35.01 | TD-Linux | MD5 generation: 0.003 seconds |
| 21:35.01 | TD-Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.11 | bz3340 | can someone help me get the python bzflag map edittor |
| 21:35.12 | Tupone | and then ? |
| 21:35.26 | TD-Linux | nothing, it just sits and cosumes cpu |
| 21:35.42 | TD-Linux | 100% of all 600mhz |
| 21:35.45 | Tupone | can you post that map somewehre? |
| 21:35.54 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 21:36.00 | TD-Linux | it's the chess map.... |
| 21:36.14 | TD-Linux | where can I post a 1.5mb file? |
| 21:36.24 | TD-Linux | oh, I know! |
| 21:36.56 | Tupone | I want just to donwload and try by myself |
| 21:38.28 | bryjen | maps should zip nicely |
| 21:38.34 | TD-Linux | ok... it will take a while to upload |
| 21:38.39 | TD-Linux | oh, forgot about zip :P |
| 21:38.42 | TD-Linux | or bzip2 |
| 21:38.44 | TD-Linux | or gzip |
| 21:39.54 | TD-Linux | I finished uploading.... invalid filename???? I hate geocities |
| 21:40.32 | wegstar | geocities.... bleh.. :P |
| 21:41.04 | TD-Linux | hope you like bz2 |
| 21:41.16 | TD-Linux | it hates bz2 too????? |
| 21:41.24 | Tupone | like is not the best term. I tolerate it |
| 21:41.24 | TD-Linux | growl |
| 21:41.44 | TD-Linux | time for gz |
| 21:42.17 | TD-Linux | gz actually zipped it smaller |
| 21:42.24 | TD-Linux | half the size of bz2 :) |
| 21:42.40 | Tupone | so .. where is ? |
| 21:43.40 | TD-Linux | http://www.geocities.com/TD_Linux/chess.bzw.gz |
| 21:45.10 | TD-Linux | the map might look screwed up, as I haven't tested it yet for a very obvious reason :( |
| 21:46.53 | TD-Linux | Tupone: Cedric ran an earlier version of this map on his private server |
| 21:47.31 | Tupone | I don't want to look at the quality, just want to see where bzfs spent his time |
| 21:47.51 | TD-Linux | did your bzfs finish? |
| 21:48.06 | Tupone | nope |
| 21:48.25 | TD-Linux | I will try it without super flags... |
| 21:49.25 | TD-Linux | oh... I took out super flags and it worked just fine |
| 21:49.32 | TD-Linux | fifty useless flags must crash it |
| 21:50.44 | TD-Linux | US = useless, right? |
| 21:51.09 | bryjen | yes |
| 21:51.28 | TD-Linux | when I comment out the superflags, it works perfect.. hmm |
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| 21:53.19 | TD-Linux | so... it crashes except when I have no superflags at all |
| 21:53.22 | TD-Linux | wait... I know why |
| 21:53.29 | TD-Linux | no place to put the superflags |
| 21:53.35 | TD-Linux | I forgot to specify spawn on buildings |
| 21:53.45 | bryjen | -fb = flag on buildings |
| 21:54.38 | TD-Linux | hehe... it generated random locations forever for each flag and never found a place to put them :P |
| 21:55.29 | TD-Linux | maybe some error checking for that should be put in? like a timeout? |
| 21:55.30 | Tupone | resetFlag at bzfs.cxx:1751 has no limit on CPU |
| 21:55.53 | Tupone | it can run forever |
| 21:56.14 | TD-Linux | wow... never realized the scale of this map until I play it :P |
| 21:59.12 | TD-Linux | the map is fun because you spawn underneath the board |
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| 21:59.23 | TD-Linux | you get to 'pick' where you spawn by driving around and jumping to get onto the board |
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| 22:35.45 | YveDeLarc | hmm. 86% of the time in Xorg, inside of that 36% libc and 55% in the kernel. Strange. |
| 22:56.59 | JeffM2501 | you may want to see if there is a new SDL as well |
| 22:57.01 | JeffM2501 | that links to X |
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