| 00:00.38 | luca_ | I think I found something relevant, let me see |
| 00:01.46 | RPG_ | Race to Seven is out! |
| 00:02.12 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 00:02.45 | DTRemenak | I_Died_Once, for now, remove the blank line at the end of your crontab. I will have a fixed version available in a couple minutes. |
| 00:04.49 | luca_ | Tupone: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/21450 |
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| 00:05.03 | luca_ | Tupone: I don't know if that says anything to you |
| 00:05.45 | Tupone | nope. why not paste all ? |
| 00:08.44 | luca_ | Tupone: is too large and I can't upload the file to the paste bin :S (and because I thought the error was there since is there where it says it can't find gl.h) |
| 00:08.53 | luca_ | Tupone: I'll upload it to my webserver |
| 00:08.58 | Tupone | ok |
| 00:09.30 | luca_ | Tupone: http://www.llucax.hn.org/~luca/config.log |
| 00:10.18 | luca_ | Tupone: ouch! the paste bin has an option to upload a file (it's just a little hidden :S) |
| 00:10.44 | Tupone | no problem. I'm looking to your last url |
| 00:12.30 | Tupone | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL |
| 00:13.49 | Tupone | where is your libGL.* ? |
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| 00:21.21 | Tupone | luca_: libGL? did you find it ? |
| 00:26.28 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o Tupone] by Tupone |
| 00:28.02 | luca_ | Tupone: sorry, let me see |
| 00:28.37 | luca_ | /usr/lib/libGL.la |
| 00:28.40 | luca_ | /usr/lib/libGL.so |
| 00:29.41 | Tupone | it does not seems to find them |
| 00:29.51 | Tupone | libGL.so is a link? |
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| 00:37.35 | blast007 | luca_: cd to /usr/lib and do this: ls -l libGL.* |
| 00:37.50 | blast007 | that will show if they are links, and if so, where the link to |
| 00:37.57 | blast007 | where they* |
| 00:38.13 | durt | blast007, did you get bzflag compiled yet? |
| 00:38.28 | blast007 | haven't tried in a while |
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| 00:46.05 | blast007 | wonder if my autotools are just too old |
| 00:46.36 | Tupone | automake --version ? |
| 00:47.08 | Tupone | should be >= 1.7 |
| 00:47.51 | blast007 | automake (GNU automake) 1.7.7, autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.57 |
| 00:48.07 | Tupone | you also need libtool |
| 00:48.16 | durt | and sdl |
| 00:48.35 | blast007 | ltmain.sh (GNU libtool) 1.4.3 (1.922.2.110 2002/10/23 01:39:54) |
| 00:49.07 | blast007 | well, I had SDL, but I removed it cuz the build wasn't working anyway |
| 00:49.07 | Tupone | you have to clean your tree, depending on the last time you built |
| 00:49.37 | blast007 | running a make, hopefully it won't loop the configure |
| 00:49.57 | durt | try make uninstall, then make again |
| 00:50.01 | blast007 | if I run ./configure, and then make, why does it have to run ./configure again? |
| 00:50.17 | blast007 | durt: it never builds, so make uninistall wouldn't do anything |
| 00:50.55 | Tupone | blast007: is that a clean tree ? Maybe you need to make a clean checkout |
| 00:51.08 | Tupone | what distro ? |
| 00:51.52 | blast007 | clean tree |
| 00:51.57 | blast007 | Slackware 9.1 |
| 00:52.11 | blast007 | and everything takes forever, cuz it's an oooold system |
| 00:52.20 | blast007 | 133MHz, with 32MB RAM ;) |
| 00:52.23 | durt | are you running make in the CVS folder? thats what i did and it worked |
| 00:52.30 | Tupone | try just autoreconf |
| 00:53.08 | Tupone | autoreconf -I m4 ... I forgot all the option |
| 00:53.10 | luca_ | blast007: it was a broken link :S |
| 00:53.20 | blast007 | luca_: ah, okay |
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| 01:00.41 | Tupone | DTRemenak: do you have NOMINMAX defined in os_defines.h ? |
| 01:00.51 | DTRemenak | Tupone, hm? |
| 01:01.19 | Tupone | I got some warning while cross building |
| 01:01.23 | Tupone | NOMINMAX is defined twice |
| 01:01.30 | Tupone | one in our header |
| 01:01.41 | Tupone | one is a c++ header |
| 01:02.00 | DTRemenak | "grep NOMINMAX /usr/include/c++/3.3.4/i486-slackware-linux/bits/os_defines.h" returns nothing |
| 01:02.13 | Tupone | that is linux |
| 01:02.16 | Tupone | ahhh |
| 01:02.20 | Tupone | you are on linux |
| 01:02.21 | DTRemenak | what are you asking about then? |
| 01:02.24 | Tupone | I meant windows |
| 01:02.35 | DTRemenak | in vc, there is no such file |
| 01:02.53 | Tupone | and no NOMINMAX at all in any file? |
| 01:03.12 | DTRemenak | I do get grep NOMINMAX /mnt/win_e/MinGW/include/c++/3.4.2/mingw32/bits/os_defines.h |
| 01:03.13 | DTRemenak | #undef NOMINMAX |
| 01:03.15 | DTRemenak | #define NOMINMAX 1 |
| 01:03.30 | Tupone | yeahm that is MinGW |
| 01:04.26 | Tupone | I'm trying to do the same. I wonder if #undef gives warning if was not previously defined |
| 01:05.06 | DTRemenak | dtremenak@dtremenak:/mnt/win_f/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003/Vc7$ grep -R NOMINMAX * |
| 01:05.08 | DTRemenak | PlatformSDK/Include/WinDef.h:#ifndef NOMINMAX |
| 01:05.09 | DTRemenak | PlatformSDK/Include/WinDef.h:#endif /* NOMINMAX */ |
| 01:05.11 | DTRemenak | PlatformSDK/Include/Windows.h: * NOMINMAX - Macros min(a,b) and max(a,b) |
| 01:05.12 | DTRemenak | PlatformSDK/Include/Windows.h:#define NOMINMAX |
| 01:06.39 | Tupone | eek ... lost .. We define NOMINMAX in include/OSFile.h |
| 01:07.03 | Tupone | on MinGW I got a warning as is already defined |
| 01:07.29 | blast007 | I ran autoreconf, then make, and it started running ./configure again |
| 01:07.53 | Tupone | I 'm trying to subs #define NOMINMAX with #undef NOMINMAX and #define NOMINMAX 1 |
| 01:07.59 | blast007 | /bin/sh ./config.status --recheck |
| 01:07.59 | blast007 | running /bin/sh ./configure --no-create --no-recursion |
| 01:08.48 | Tupone | so your tree was not clean |
| 01:08.53 | blast007 | no, it is |
| 01:08.53 | Tupone | you should have to run ./configure to have Makefile, and you have not now |
| 01:09.01 | luca_ | blast007: well! At last CVS version is working! :D |
| 01:09.13 | blast007 | I ran ./autogen.sh, then ./configure, then make |
| 01:09.18 | Tupone | ahh |
| 01:09.21 | Tupone | ok |
| 01:09.25 | luca_ | blast007: And I can say that CVS version looks real nice too! 8) |
| 01:09.27 | blast007 | then, you said to run autoreconf |
| 01:09.32 | blast007 | so I did that, and ran make again |
| 01:09.37 | luca_ | Tupone: blast007: thanks a lot |
| 01:09.42 | Tupone | yw |
| 01:09.42 | blast007 | luca_: :) |
| 01:11.28 | Tupone | DTRemenak: I'm going to commit that changes. You can revert if windows become mad for it |
| 01:11.36 | DTRemenak | ok :) |
| 01:13.31 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/include/OSFile.h: Compiler warning on NOMINMAX double define |
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| 01:19.52 | Tupone | blast007: I don't know why. Probably it should behave that way :) |
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| 02:26.51 | a_monkey | does bzflag use 16-bit color, or what? |
| 02:27.15 | a_monkey | or does it use the same as the rest of the system |
| 02:27.37 | a_monkey | (e.g. x.org) |
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| 02:35.47 | SilentSwan | greetings |
| 02:36.08 | SilentSwan | can someone possibly tell me what everyone is using to create maps these days? |
| 02:41.50 | blast007 | a_monkey: it will use whatever it is configured to use |
| 02:42.51 | *** part/#bzflag SilentSwan (n=sigh@adsl-65-42-95-63.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 02:42.54 | blast007 | SilentSwan: people are using 3D modelers (like Blender and Wings 3D) along with converter tools, and some use regular text editors |
| 02:42.58 | blast007 | gah |
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| 02:47.47 | bc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.30 | *** join/#bzflag BinarySpike (n=BinarySp@063-099-129-077.plateautel.net) |
| 02:49.47 | BinarySpike | What's the name of color flags for use with -f? |
| 02:52.24 | trepan | http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzfs.6s |
| 02:52.45 | BinarySpike | again, I goto man pages... |
| 02:53.40 | BinarySpike | teamflagRed ? |
| 02:53.48 | BinarySpike | +f {good |bad |team flag-id }[ {count} ] |
| 02:53.53 | trepan | you might try going there first next time ;) |
| 02:54.02 | BinarySpike | I did... I"ve looked twice |
| 02:54.09 | BinarySpike | I don't know the "exact" name... |
| 02:54.20 | BinarySpike | I've tryed redTeam |
| 02:54.47 | trepan | you're making an assumption |
| 02:54.55 | BinarySpike | I just don't know the name of the CTF flags... (for use with -f) |
| 02:55.03 | *** part/#bzflag luca_ (n=luca@OL108-90.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 02:55.18 | BinarySpike | So what do I do if I can't make an assumption? I ask people. |
| 02:55.38 | trepan | you didn't consider trying 'team'? |
| 02:55.42 | BinarySpike | teamRed |
| 02:56.31 | BinarySpike | team1 didn't work either |
| 02:57.18 | trepan | try 'bzfs -help' |
| 02:58.00 | BinarySpike | R* |
| 02:58.02 | BinarySpike | Thx |
| 02:58.33 | BinarySpike | Thanks trepan! |
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| 03:24.50 | EbErT | bah |
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| 03:29.45 | alberto | hi! I just wanted to let you know that I've just checked out the cvs version and when doing autogen.sh under linux it fails because it can't find win32/VC6. I've symlinked VC71 to VC6 and seems to work fine |
| 03:30.45 | brlcad | thx |
| 03:31.11 | alberto | welcome =) |
| 03:31.38 | orchid | alberto: your playing name is "Berto"? |
| 03:31.55 | brlcad | should be fixed in the latest cvs now, if you cvs update in a few hours, you should get the changes |
| 03:31.58 | alberto | orchid: no, sorry |
| 03:32.12 | brlcad | de argentina? |
| 03:32.20 | alberto | brlcad: yes, I'm from Argentina |
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| 03:32.33 | brlcad | cool |
| 03:32.39 | orchid | ahh Berto is Italian |
| 03:32.50 | menotume | great to see you playing, DTRemenak |
| 03:32.57 | alberto | brlcad: but I don't usually play on servers, just occasionally among friends, so I don't think I'm "Berto" =) |
| 03:32.59 | menotume | but, why was your tank blinking ? |
| 03:33.01 | DTRemenak | menotume, great to be playing :) |
| 03:33.14 | DTRemenak | gee, I wonder ;) |
| 03:33.16 | orchid | DTRemenak was playing league style?! |
| 03:33.17 | menotume | hehe |
| 03:33.26 | orchid | ibot: stop the presses |
| 03:33.31 | ibot | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops the presses |
| 03:33.31 | brlcad | egads! |
| 03:33.38 | DTRemenak | orchid, you should certainly know that I play(ed) ducati :) |
| 03:33.57 | DTRemenak | nope, never once hit tab actually |
| 03:33.59 | orchid | DTRemenak: not for ages though ? |
| 03:34.08 | DTRemenak | orchid, maybe not as often as I should :) |
| 03:34.14 | orchid | indeed |
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| 03:35.18 | orchid | hmm I have Starwars "attack of the clones" or a Tom Hanks dvd "lady killers" |
| 03:35.36 | DTRemenak | actually I think this is only the fifth or sixth time I've played real bzflag since 2.0 was released :S |
| 03:36.13 | orchid | aww he still calls it "real bzflag" |
| 03:36.27 | DTRemenak | well that's what it is! :) |
| 03:36.33 | orchid | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 03:38.02 | brlcad | hehe |
| 03:38.13 | PKMOBILE | hey!! |
| 03:38.32 | *** part/#bzflag zoly (n=l@p549DCAB0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:41.35 | menotume | DTR - a couple of weeks left :) |
| 03:41.46 | DTRemenak | really! amazing |
| 03:41.51 | DTRemenak | wonder what my password was :) |
| 03:41.54 | menotume | callsign 'DTR' |
| 03:42.02 | DTRemenak | oh, that's the one you created for me |
| 03:42.10 | menotume | ahhhh |
| 03:42.25 | menotume | you can change the callsign |
| 03:42.38 | DTRemenak | still won't have the bzmail history though :) |
| 03:43.18 | menotume | ahhh, nope |
| 03:45.09 | DTRemenak | menotume, heh, you wanna reset my password? :) |
| 03:45.18 | menotume | sure |
| 03:46.37 | DTRemenak | ~menotume++ |
| 03:46.44 | menotume | awwww |
| 03:46.49 | menotume | shucks :) |
| 03:47.54 | DTRemenak | geez, I only know like three of the active teams anymore :) |
| 03:48.24 | orchid | what team were you on? |
| 03:48.33 | DTRemenak | USD |
| 03:48.43 | DTRemenak | think back in the mists of time |
| 03:48.56 | DTRemenak | TSD before that even |
| 03:49.53 | orchid | darn, I cant remember anything past last week |
| 03:50.06 | orchid | TSD rings a bell though |
| 03:51.05 | DTRemenak | KR, Megachirops, CCZ Cataphract, Ramstien |
| 03:51.15 | DTRemenak | probably a few others I don't remember |
| 03:51.25 | orchid | ahh yes |
| 03:52.06 | DTRemenak | then with the merger with the Untouchables we got Spiff & Co |
| 03:53.28 | orchid | heh, the great bzmerger of 03' |
| 03:53.47 | orchid | sent shockwaves through the league |
| 03:54.09 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 03:54.13 | orchid | spiff was here recently I think |
| 03:54.20 | DTRemenak | 'twas rather unprecidented |
| 03:54.27 | DTRemenak | yeah, he drops in every once in a while |
| 03:54.44 | DTRemenak | haven't seen KR around in a long, long time though |
| 03:56.43 | orchid | ~seen KRR |
| 03:56.49 | ibot | i haven't seen 'krr', orchid |
| 03:56.49 | orchid | ~seen KR |
| 03:56.51 | ibot | kr <~krrt@cae88-34-172.sc.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 185d 55m 22s ago, saying: 'OK, back to playing - c ya'. |
| 03:56.58 | orchid | :( wow |
| 03:57.59 | *** join/#bzflag Sgk284 (n=skrenzel@ACD0962F.ipt.aol.com) |
| 03:58.44 | DTRemenak | heya Sgk284 |
| 03:59.30 | Sgk284 | hey dtremenak! |
| 03:59.42 | DTRemenak | what's new? |
| 04:00.13 | Sgk284 | not too much, my co-op is almost over so i'll finally have some free time again :) you? |
| 04:00.56 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 04:01.00 | DTRemenak | not too much here either. finishing up my SoC project. |
| 04:02.13 | Sgk284 | oh yea, hows that going? |
| 04:03.30 | DTRemenak | pretty well. Have a bit more left to do than I have time left to do it in, but I'm hoping to be able to pull it off. |
| 04:03.54 | Sgk284 | good luck :) |
| 04:03.59 | DTRemenak | thanks :) |
| 04:05.09 | jpa- | sgk2841!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 |
| 04:05.14 | jpa- | <3 |
| 04:05.33 | Sgk284 | jpa-!!!! |
| 04:05.57 | SportChick | SportChick waves to/at DTRemenak |
| 04:06.03 | jpa- | "atto SportChick" == very small SportChick? :) |
| 04:06.19 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 04:06.38 | jpa- | no, not really |
| 04:06.42 | jpa- | what? |
| 04:07.52 | jpa- | with his huge brain capacity, jpa- detects a conspiracy |
| 04:08.29 | jpa- | Sgk284 must be a fake by DTRemenak! no real Sgk284 would have a big 'S' |
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| 04:08.51 | Sgk284 | lol |
| 04:09.15 | SportChick | sometimes Sgk284 feels a little more powerful than sgk284 |
| 04:09.24 | SportChick | and sometimes he feels wimpy |
| 04:09.27 | sgk284 | lol |
| 04:09.47 | Sgk284 | the capital S is powerful |
| 04:09.50 | Sgk284 | :) |
| 04:10.02 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 04:10.26 | Sgk284 | like a capital D, infact DTRemenak is so powerufl he has 3 capitals |
| 04:10.35 | Sgk284 | ;) |
| 04:10.43 | DTRemenak | hehe :) |
| 04:10.55 | Sgk284 | hahaha |
| 04:11.57 | Sgk284 | nice, that screams "Power" |
| 04:12.23 | DTRemenak | that screams "I left my capslock on and can't figure out how to turn it off!" :) |
| 04:12.58 | SPORTCHICK | ~slap DTRemenak |
| 04:13.02 | ibot | ACTION slaps DTRemenak, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 04:13.02 | DTRemenak | ~lameometer SPORTCHICK |
| 04:13.11 | DTRemenak | see? ibot agrees :) |
| 04:13.12 | SPORTCHICK | *GASP* |
| 04:13.22 | SPORTCHICK | ~lameometer SportChick |
| 04:13.30 | SPORTCHICK | sheesh |
| 04:13.34 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 04:13.53 | jpa240 | SPORTCHICK has very nice stealth-mucles |
| 04:14.04 | SportChick | ~lameometer jpa240 |
| 04:14.16 | jpa240 | ~lameometer Sgk284 |
| 04:14.20 | jpa240 | :/ |
| 04:14.26 | SportChick | ~lameometer DTRemenak |
| 04:14.41 | Sgk284 | i'm the least lame! |
| 04:14.48 | Erroneous | ~lameometer Erroneous |
| 04:14.48 | Sgk284 | oh... :( |
| 04:14.50 | SportChick | no, ~I~ am |
| 04:14.52 | Erroneous | :) |
| 04:14.55 | Sgk284 | haha |
| 04:15.09 | SportChick | ~lameometer brlcad |
| 04:15.26 | jpa240 | ~lameometer JeffM2501 |
| 04:15.35 | jpa240 | ha, i'm not the lamest |
| 04:15.36 | SportChick | i.e., caps and shortletter/with numbers names = lame |
| 04:15.50 | Erroneous | punctuation in your name sets it off too |
| 04:16.16 | jpa240 | -> school |
| 04:16.52 | Erroneous | -> so we can write anything we want here, and SportChick can't see it! :) |
| 04:17.27 | SportChick | ~whaleslap ->Erroneous |
| 04:17.29 | ibot | ACTION slaps ->Erroneous upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 04:17.45 | Sgk284 | -> it's a good thing, i mean who wants to talk to her anyways ;) |
| 04:18.05 | Sgk284 | ~SoprtChick++ |
| 04:18.07 | Sgk284 | oops |
| 04:18.14 | Sgk284 | ~SportChick++ |
| 04:18.15 | Erroneous | ~karma SoprtChick |
| 04:18.15 | ibot | soprtchick has karma of 1 |
| 04:18.21 | Erroneous | ~karma SprotChick |
| 04:18.21 | ibot | sprotchick has karma of 1 |
| 04:18.23 | Sgk284 | lol |
| 04:18.29 | Erroneous | ~karma SportChick |
| 04:18.29 | ibot | sportchick has karma of 103 |
| 04:18.41 | *** part/#bzflag Sgk284 (n=skrenzel@ACD0962F.ipt.aol.com) |
| 04:18.44 | Erroneous | one of those is clearly the preferred spelling |
| 04:18.47 | SportChick | sprotchick and soprtchick get lotsa karma |
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| 04:19.10 | Erroneous | ~karma Erroneous |
| 04:19.10 | ibot | erroneous has karma of 1 |
| 04:19.12 | Erroneous | wow |
| 04:19.30 | Sgk284 | ~Erroneous++ |
| 04:19.38 | Sgk284 | ~karma Sgk284 |
| 04:19.38 | ibot | sgk284 has karma of 45 |
| 04:20.00 | Erroneous | ~karma DTRemenak |
| 04:20.00 | ibot | dtremenak has karma of 122 |
| 04:20.18 | Erroneous | that fella has a lot of karma he doesn't deserve |
| 04:20.23 | Erroneous | ~DTRemenak-- |
| 04:20.45 | Sgk284 | haha |
| 04:20.58 | Sgk284 | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 04:21.07 | Erroneous | aww |
| 04:21.12 | Erroneous | ~sgk284++ |
| 04:21.17 | Sgk284 | :) |
| 04:21.50 | Erroneous | ~karma Patlabor221 |
| 04:21.50 | ibot | patlabor221 has karma of 238 |
| 04:21.53 | Erroneous | heh |
| 04:22.03 | Sgk284 | wow |
| 04:22.05 | Erroneous | someone ran over the target :) |
| 04:22.25 | SportChick | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 04:22.29 | SportChick | ~Erroneous++ |
| 04:22.33 | SportChick | sgk284-- |
| 04:22.35 | Erroneous | aww |
| 04:22.37 | Erroneous | heh |
| 04:23.12 | Erroneous | ~SportChick++ |
| 04:23.22 | Sgk284 | ~SportChick++ |
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| 11:37.02 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || try #bzchat if you just want to talk || paste errors http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
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| 11:38.15 | brad2901 | is anyone else getting spammed with loads of crap via PM? |
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| 12:15.02 | _Manu_ | brad2901, no |
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| 12:37.40 | Tupone | brad2901: /umode +E |
| 12:37.49 | brad2901 | ok |
| 12:37.51 | brad2901 | thanks |
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| 13:54.42 | brlcad | shot up 2 weeks ago and has stayed sustained since.. hrm |
| 13:55.34 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 13:56.22 | menotume | you shot up ? and two week slater is still good? hmm, new govmt experimental drugs ? |
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| 14:04.35 | brlcad | i'm not sure at all |
| 14:04.44 | brlcad | actually very suspicious tcpdump traffic |
| 14:05.19 | brlcad | well, i'm sure it shot up .. just not sure why |
| 14:05.36 | brlcad | still within my bandwidth, but it's a LOT of traffic sustained all of the sudden |
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| 14:10.11 | brlcad | oh my, heh, I think I found the culprit |
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| 14:14.26 | ibunny | SEAN PIE! |
| 14:15.08 | ibunny | brlcad, hey |
| 14:15.11 | ibunny | :P |
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| 14:40.16 | Tupone | DTRemenak: I made some more changes to fix compiler warning. Could you test on windows if you are on linux, or viceversa |
| 14:40.24 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 14:40.28 | DTRemenak | I am in windows now |
| 14:40.35 | Tupone | :) |
| 14:41.26 | Tupone | I just wanted you to switch OS :) |
| 14:41.38 | DTRemenak | bzflag managed to kill my console in linux quite nicely |
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| 14:45.56 | brlcad | ciao tupone |
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| 14:45.56 | Tupone | why you doing that ? |
| 14:45.57 | Tupone | :) |
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| 14:45.57 | brlcad | so he can get some work done, he gets distracted easily |
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| 14:46.13 | Teppic | anyone around? |
| 14:46.38 | Tupone | 44 peoples - some bots |
| 14:47.01 | Tupone | and duplicated peoples |
| 14:47.12 | Teppic | how do you stop a timed server exiting when the last player leaves? |
| 14:47.37 | RatOmeter | . |
| 14:50.58 | brlcad | are any of the .bz servers relatively popular over the past two weeks? |
| 14:51.16 | brlcad | it's still bizzare where all the bandwidth is going |
| 14:51.55 | brlcad | apparently shoveling 1.1TB a month sustained |
| 14:52.00 | Tupone | Teppic: -g |
| 14:52.18 | Tupone | that is to exit |
| 14:52.26 | Teppic | That makes it exit when the game is over, how do you make it not exit untill the time is up? |
| 14:52.54 | Tupone | I guess without it . but I don't know |
| 14:53.04 | Teppic | Just because the last player leaves I don't want it to end untill the timer expires |
| 14:53.38 | brlcad | what's the ibot keyword for the previous bzflist? (not bzflist17) |
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| 15:09.32 | brlcad | ahh |
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| 15:09.33 | Aribeth | heh |
| 15:09.33 | brlcad | only 110G/month |
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| 15:10.11 | Aribeth | Hey sgk284, brlcad |
| 15:10.31 | Sgk284 | hey aribeth, brlcad |
| 15:13.17 | DTRemenak | Tupone: all works well in windows |
| 15:13.22 | DTRemenak | now I reboot again :) |
| 15:13.28 | Tupone | ok :) |
| 15:13.33 | Tupone | ty |
| 15:17.59 | brlcad | howdy |
| 15:22.54 | orange | anybody know what causes the insanely large negative jitter values? |
| 15:23.03 | Tupone | debian and gcc-4 |
| 15:23.26 | orange | interesting... and when I try to ride with that person, it mucks my client up, too |
| 15:23.28 | ToughShooter | It's fixed in CVS-builds, IIRC |
| 15:23.35 | orange | redraw issues |
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| 17:19.00 | JeffM2501 | man does stuff back up when you don't check the boards or your mail for a day :) |
| 17:24.52 | JeffM2501 | backup? |
| 17:26.12 | bryjen | "man does stuff /back up/ when..." |
| 17:26.22 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 17:26.25 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:26.35 | JeffM2501 | just a little |
| 17:26.46 | JeffM2501 | the kidies are geting a bit anoying |
| 17:26.57 | JeffM2501 | but that's normaly, they are sad they have to go back to school |
| 17:27.16 | Birdie | i think some of those "kiddies" are older than you should think |
| 17:27.25 | JeffM2501 | some are |
| 17:27.41 | JeffM2501 | kiddie dosn't allways refer to crono age ;) |
| 17:28.28 | JeffM2501 | the drama queens are usualy young tho |
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| 17:49.52 | RatOmeter | hmm, seems funny to me that bzflag.blah.pl (x.y.pl) is physically located in Texas |
| 17:50.09 | RatOmeter | I was freaking out to think I had 16 ms ping to Poland |
| 17:50.47 | JeffM2501 | just a dns :) |
| 17:51.45 | ToughShooter | Do the LGPL also apply to the textures BZFlag ships with? |
| 17:51.59 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:52.17 | ToughShooter | Ok, I only wanted to make sure. |
| 17:52.20 | JeffM2501 | that's why we can only include a limted set int he base distro |
| 17:52.37 | JeffM2501 | and we download others that are not LGPL |
| 17:53.11 | RatOmeter | so folks have created their own non-LGPL/public domain textures?? |
| 17:53.34 | JeffM2501 | textures exist for many games under many licenses, that can be used with the game |
| 17:54.09 | Tupone | ToughShooter: as far as we know. Who can be sure?. We found some of the sounds was proprietary so we had to remove. |
| 17:54.23 | ToughShooter | When I load the images from another application it'll imply that I've to publish my source, correct? |
| 17:54.27 | JeffM2501 | I got permision to use a set of textures made for a quake 3 mod in bz, they are free for us to use, but they are not GPL |
| 17:54.39 | JeffM2501 | aka, you can't go and modify them |
| 17:54.42 | RatOmeter | I see |
| 17:54.46 | purple_cow | GPL is a really weird license for images :P |
| 17:54.53 | purple_cow | LGPL too |
| 17:54.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:55.03 | RatOmeter | sounds too, I'd imagine |
| 17:55.09 | Tupone | CC could be appropriate |
| 17:55.14 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, you should not publish anything you don't have rights to. if you do, you are liable |
| 17:55.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah the "source" for the image, is the image itself |
| 17:55.43 | Tupone | s/be/be more/ |
| 17:56.11 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, what do you want to do? |
| 17:56.16 | purple_cow | ianal, but it should be OK to use the images in a closed source application so long as you keep the images out of the binary and note their license |
| 17:56.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:56.59 | JeffM2501 | same thing we do to get the closed images into bz, and still ahve it cool on debian |
| 17:57.15 | JeffM2501 | don't ship em with the the GPL code, and note there difrent licenses |
| 17:58.01 | JeffM2501 | cus if we put closed things in there, debian would get mad, and mikeeusa would get us "shut down" |
| 17:58.04 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 17:58.23 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 17:58.37 | JeffM2501 | he's got that kinda power man |
| 17:58.50 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure he's jsut around the corner waiting to murder me with his bow |
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| 17:59.57 | geoffrey | hi |
| 18:00.00 | geoffrey | UGM 'ere |
| 18:00.15 | geoffrey | what would happen if you banned 127.0.0.1? |
| 18:02.18 | purple_cow | connections from localhost would be banned |
| 18:02.31 | geoffrey | but who's localhost? |
| 18:02.33 | geoffrey | the server's? |
| 18:02.37 | purple_cow | yes |
| 18:03.25 | purple_cow | and even then, it's only if the connection goes over the loopback device. a client running on the same machine as the server could still use the public IP and just bounce off the switch |
| 18:07.56 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, but that could overload the main reactor!!!!! |
| 18:08.00 | JeffM2501 | the ship can't take it!!! |
| 18:08.27 | purple_cow | OH NO! |
| 18:08.45 | JeffM2501 | you'll cause a temporal cascade |
| 18:08.59 | JeffM2501 | maybe if we route it thru the main deflector dish |
| 18:09.28 | geoffrey | eh!? |
| 18:09.44 | JeffM2501 | why does it allway go thru the deflector dish? |
| 18:09.47 | bryjen | you can't do that right now, i'm using it to warm up lunch ;) |
| 18:10.13 | JeffM2501 | mmmmmmm deflector hot pocket |
| 18:10.44 | JeffM2501 | say isn't your shirt red ensign Jennings? |
| 18:11.08 | bryjen | holy carp! |
| 18:11.14 | JeffM2501 | run dude run |
| 18:11.29 | brlcad | mm.. carp |
| 18:11.31 | bryjen | why, it's already too late... |
| 18:11.42 | JeffM2501 | well that depends |
| 18:11.48 | JeffM2501 | can you run a transporter |
| 18:11.57 | JeffM2501 | the red shirt that runs the 'porter never dies |
| 18:12.06 | JeffM2501 | he gets pushed to a spinoff |
| 18:12.15 | bryjen | he doesn't leave the ship |
| 18:13.21 | JeffM2501 | heh just as you say that, the music swaped to a song titled "stop that ship" |
| 18:14.57 | JeffM2501 | it has been said I have mild psycic and precognitive abilitys |
| 18:15.23 | bryjen | it has also been said that you're full of it :P |
| 18:15.35 | JeffM2501 | ohh I am full of something |
| 18:16.50 | brlcad | and it ain't carp |
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| 18:21.07 | Tupone | no CIA :( |
| 18:22.57 | purple_cow | huh, that's odd |
| 18:23.01 | Tupone | CIA did not join after the thousand irc restart |
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| 18:32.27 | brlcad | purple_cow: you know that SportyGal has been looking for you |
| 18:32.36 | SportyGal | I have? |
| 18:32.39 | brlcad | er, menotume |
| 18:32.41 | brlcad | sorry :) |
| 18:32.55 | Aribeth | hi SportyGal |
| 18:33.01 | SportyGal | hi ari |
| 18:33.33 | Tupone | SportyGal: were you looking for me then ? |
| 18:33.57 | SportyGal | Tupone: I didn't think I was looking for ANYONE |
| 18:34.02 | Tupone | :( |
| 18:34.09 | SportyGal | but perhpas brlcad knows something I don't know |
| 18:34.17 | brlcad | impossible |
| 18:34.21 | SportyGal | of course, tupone, I always like to SEE you |
| 18:34.27 | Tupone | :* |
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| 18:35.19 | Birdie | pics pics pics |
| 18:35.45 | ToughShooter | lol |
| 18:36.38 | brlcad | sort of like a google invite |
| 18:36.51 | Aribeth | lol |
| 18:37.14 | Birdie | good idea brlcad:) |
| 18:37.20 | Birdie | only who gives a pic is able to see them |
| 18:37.22 | Birdie | should * |
| 18:37.31 | Aribeth | and require gpg as well |
| 18:38.12 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: Why not allowing Momentum with Inertia. They have different parameters |
| 18:39.49 | ToughShooter | OMG, I already spent one hour to fight OpenGL scene to draw inside whole window and it doesn't stop :/ |
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| 18:49.00 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: inertiaGameStyle bit is redundant. Set it always now just for compatibility |
| 19:05.12 | DTRemenak | Tupone, that bit is what makes the list server say "this server has inertia". imho it should either be always off, or fixed to mean something. |
| 19:05.29 | Tupone | it is always on |
| 19:05.32 | DTRemenak | if it is always off it can be removed easily at protocol break |
| 19:05.42 | DTRemenak | always on will make server descriptions change |
| 19:06.01 | Tupone | always off break protocol |
| 19:06.08 | DTRemenak | why? |
| 19:06.15 | DTRemenak | how was it set before then? |
| 19:06.42 | Tupone | old client reset the linear/angular acce to 0 when inertia is off |
| 19:07.17 | DTRemenak | so why does on/off matter now, other than the "Has Inertia" marker on the server list? |
| 19:08.03 | Tupone | if that is off the linear/angular acceleration are zeroed by old client, if on they are as passed by bzfs |
| 19:08.10 | Tupone | so better on IMHO |
| 19:08.13 | DTRemenak | what is "old client"? 1.10? |
| 19:08.17 | Tupone | 2.0.2 |
| 19:08.32 | DTRemenak | so why always on instead of sometimes on? |
| 19:08.56 | *** join/#bzflag TD-Linux (n=TD-Linux@24-159-197-101.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 19:09.02 | Tupone | I'm preparing for that to be passed as bzdb |
| 19:09.31 | *** join/#bzflag tavla (n=spreker@ip51cfa1ef.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 19:09.51 | DTRemenak | hmm. ok. suppose the list server marking must be wrong then :( |
| 19:10.13 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6.in: Better -a command line parameter explanation |
| 19:10.16 | Tupone | However I don't see any marker? Where is it ? |
| 19:10.48 | DTRemenak | server list in client. highlight a server, at the top where it says "Jumping" "Ricochet" "3 shots" etc it also says "Inertia" if it is on |
| 19:11.22 | Tupone | I tried with my change and I don't see it :/ |
| 19:14.38 | Tupone | I guess someone remove it :/ |
| 19:15.25 | Tupone | DTRemenak: get voice please :) |
| 19:15.35 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 19:15.38 | Tupone | :) |
| 19:16.48 | Tupone | It was removed on 2004-11-08 |
| 19:18.01 | Tupone | I have the cvs2pl output. It is great to find things |
| 19:18.13 | DTRemenak | ah, it was clobbered by handicap |
| 19:18.28 | DTRemenak | do you have a test server running? |
| 19:18.39 | Tupone | I can .. wait |
| 19:18.46 | DTRemenak | I'm curious if the third-party tools read it also |
| 19:19.29 | Tupone | alfredo.tupone.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 19:20.15 | DTRemenak | yes, they do. like http://stats.bzflag.org/serverinfo.php?server=alfredo.tupone.dyndns.org%3A5154 |
| 19:21.03 | _Manu_ | Tupone, inertia? :) |
| 19:22.05 | Tupone | well, ok. I guess this tool shoulds read linearAcceleration and angularAcceleration. Even before they were the driving parameters for inertia |
| 19:22.53 | DTRemenak | if it was broken before then it is no big deal to be broken differently now :) |
| 19:23.12 | DTRemenak | the client does not show it, that is good enough for me |
| 19:23.16 | Tupone | you could have inertia set and those parameter set to 0. World is withouut inertia even if that is show |
| 19:23.37 | Tupone | :) |
| 19:23.46 | DTRemenak | that would be silly :) like having jumping on and setting gravity to -100000000 |
| 19:23.58 | DTRemenak | you can't really jump at all |
| 19:24.23 | Tupone | you'll jump very high when you die |
| 19:24.43 | DTRemenak | no, negative is normal gravity direction |
| 19:24.50 | DTRemenak | you will just always be on the ground |
| 19:25.02 | DTRemenak | even if you try to jump. ok, so you jump a little :) |
| 19:25.10 | Tupone | I remember with high gravity, whe you died you died strange :) |
| 19:25.22 | DTRemenak | oh? |
| 19:25.50 | DTRemenak | http://fortix.bzflag.org/list.php?server=alfredo.tupone.dyndns.org%3A5154 |
| 19:25.55 | DTRemenak | also shows inertia |
| 19:26.14 | bryjen | does it compute a velocity for a fixed X second death explosion/jump ? |
| 19:26.35 | DTRemenak | but that is ok with me, if you think it is |
| 19:26.51 | Tupone | yeah, but then I put a check to not go outside the world, IIRC |
| 19:27.12 | Tupone | For me it is fine |
| 19:27.27 | DTRemenak | the client itself was my big concern. I look at those variables before joining any server. Of course nobody uses inertia anyway :) |
| 19:28.22 | Tupone | some site uses it. I remember yours was set to low value (high inertia). Perhaps not :/ |
| 19:28.49 | DTRemenak | I did have one long ago. I think I was runing ApathyWorld with inertia |
| 19:28.56 | DTRemenak | nobody played there though |
| 19:30.03 | brlcad | the feature is certainly nice to have |
| 19:30.04 | Tupone | yeah, could be that. I remember chestal's one where tanks were in a fixed position, could just rotate |
| 19:30.18 | brlcad | regardless of whether it's got it's own mode and is on the menu |
| 19:32.12 | brlcad | nice to see it |
| 19:35.59 | *** join/#bzflag nici_ (n=459d7a06@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:43.17 | Tupone | brlcad: so your traffic is the texture? |
| 19:45.24 | DTRemenak | brlcad, that's what we get for shipping 2.0.2 with broken texture caching on windows ;) |
| 19:46.41 | Tupone | 2.0.2 has not my changes for curl, I think |
| 19:47.50 | brlcad | Tupone: no, it's not the textures.. they are just noticable in the logs |
| 19:48.09 | Tupone | ahh, still investigating then |
| 19:48.23 | brlcad | it looks like a misconfigured router to me, or I have a new neighbor in the rack receiving a lot of broadcast udp |
| 19:48.43 | brlcad | I'm receiving _lots_ of udp that's not destined for my machine |
| 19:49.21 | Tupone | source routing? |
| 19:49.55 | brlcad | DTRemenak: it could easily be two orders more texture traffic and still not be cause for concern |
| 19:50.25 | ToughShooter | I know it's not really on topic but I trying to have a map preview with OpenGL (or bettter AGL-Framework) and I can't get it to work without overdrawing everything else on that window. Any ideas? |
| 19:50.54 | DTRemenak | brlcad, I figured that, you mentioned it was not worrying earlier. Just thought I'd point out that most of those accesses are redundant. |
| 19:51.07 | brlcad | yeah, i noticed |
| 19:51.12 | brlcad | they all seem to download twice too |
| 19:51.19 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:51.31 | brlcad | or I'm just seeing the download in two different logs |
| 19:51.47 | brlcad | prolly the latter |
| 19:52.11 | TD-Linux | if the former, bzflag texture load time could be greatly improved ;) |
| 19:53.07 | *** join/#bzflag TheLastSpartan (i=guu@myth.gibbscam.com) |
| 19:53.48 | brlcad | now that I think of it, I believe one of the logs is an aggregate |
| 19:54.20 | Tupone | brlcad: previous method was getting 2 transfer, 1st only headerm then check time, then real transfer |
| 19:54.22 | brlcad | all the non-porn requests |
| 19:54.55 | Tupone | curl now do it within 1 connection only |
| 19:55.22 | DTRemenak | brlcad, you should stick some stuff on those urls :) |
| 19:55.44 | brlcad | hehe, I really thought about it |
| 19:55.51 | brlcad | i should |
| 19:55.53 | brlcad | maybe the bzkitty |
| 19:56.04 | Tupone | great idea |
| 19:56.06 | Tupone | :) |
| 19:56.09 | DTRemenak | heh, or redirect them to make a paypal payment, see how many fall for it :) |
| 19:56.15 | brlcad | pictures of tanks |
| 19:56.19 | brlcad | ooh, good one |
| 19:56.20 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, ask ibunny for the worst link ever, and use that |
| 19:56.26 | brlcad | no way :) |
| 19:56.39 | JeffM2501 | it burned my eyes |
| 19:56.53 | TD-Linux | my eyes can't stand that stuff either |
| 19:56.54 | brlcad | i'm not even going to ask |
| 19:57.00 | JeffM2501 | it was bad |
| 19:57.03 | JeffM2501 | REALY bad |
| 19:57.11 | TD-Linux | don't tell me! |
| 19:57.42 | TD-Linux | When I go to the library, there are of course some naughty surfers on the back row of computers |
| 19:57.54 | TD-Linux | especially our school 'media center' |
| 19:58.16 | TD-Linux | our public library's filtering is quite tough, our school filter is quite bad and lets lots of stuff through |
| 19:58.41 | TD-Linux | What's worse, have you seen how IE renders PNG files? |
| 19:59.11 | TD-Linux | I once thought that PNG was an abbreviation for you-know-what |
| 19:59.19 | DTRemenak | heh, we finally got sick of it and set up an external proxy server to get around our highschool's filter |
| 19:59.37 | TD-Linux | naughty you, what were you looking at? :P |
| 19:59.58 | DTRemenak | dude, that filter blocked pages that we were assigned to go to even |
| 20:00.20 | DTRemenak | and of course it totally failed to block half the porn sites out there |
| 20:00.21 | TD-Linux | Ours blocked a MIDI file for 'swimsuits/lingerie' |
| 20:00.42 | TD-Linux | a MIDI file, no words at all, it was a classical music piece |
| 20:00.45 | TD-Linux | I can't remember what |
| 20:01.46 | TD-Linux | Our filter at least has a doggie that greets us when we get blocked :) |
| 20:02.08 | DTRemenak | I think what finally convinced us not to waste our time was when we were blocked from downloading a bios update from asus for "hate speech" while a dude a couple computers down was surfing porn |
| 20:02.22 | TD-Linux | ? |
| 20:02.36 | DTRemenak | so we just set up the proxy and did all our stuff through that |
| 20:02.47 | TD-Linux | 'hate speech' ??? Can't you just turn on the news channel to hear that? |
| 20:03.28 | DTRemenak | the whole concept of censorship on a purposefully open network is ludicrous |
| 20:03.56 | TD-Linux | unless the filter actually worked, for those people a few computers down |
| 20:04.17 | TD-Linux | On our school, all computers have a special program in it |
| 20:04.34 | TD-Linux | It lets the administrators watch your screen and remotely control it |
| 20:04.39 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:04.42 | DTRemenak | ours was a transparent proxy firewall set up just behind the router |
| 20:04.47 | ruskie | yeah they tried doing at our school as well |
| 20:04.56 | DTRemenak | oh we had one of those too. it was fun to play with people :) |
| 20:05.01 | ruskie | to bad it was a computer sciences school :) |
| 20:05.02 | TD-Linux | so when you surf to naughty sites, they get to induldge too, that's the joke with it |
| 20:05.27 | ruskie | and we were forced to use nt4... uggghhhh |
| 20:05.31 | TD-Linux | You can't get that stuff disabled, you can't delete ANYTHING, or even open the task manager :? |
| 20:05.33 | TD-Linux | :/ |
| 20:05.43 | ruskie | naahhh |
| 20:05.48 | TD-Linux | we use 2000 |
| 20:05.56 | ruskie | we cracked the boxen in a few weeks has admin pass |
| 20:06.03 | TD-Linux | can you tell me how>? |
| 20:06.13 | DTRemenak | just about got suspended for typing "Lord Jason Is Watching You" into some the url bar of a girl I knew's computer in the library, from my math class |
| 20:06.31 | ruskie | I wouldn't know... I didn't bother with cracking |
| 20:06.31 | TD-Linux | :P |
| 20:06.48 | ruskie | I just installed an X client on my box and connected to the only linux box in the class |
| 20:06.51 | TD-Linux | Hmm... it's Windows 2000, how sercure is that??? |
| 20:07.02 | TD-Linux | we don't use linux at all :( |
| 20:07.09 | TD-Linux | all Windows 2000 and a few XP |
| 20:07.11 | DTRemenak | usually the easy way is to find something that is not protected at all, that gives you more information |
| 20:07.28 | TD-Linux | EVERYTHING is protected |
| 20:07.30 | ruskie | the fun thing with linux was that they could never disable the internet for it :) |
| 20:07.35 | ruskie | we had root for that one :) |
| 20:07.40 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 20:07.44 | DTRemenak | bs. you can't protect everything :) |
| 20:07.56 | ruskie | and of course we played 0verkill on it as well :) |
| 20:08.06 | TD-Linux | Well, the cool thing is: The entire hard drive is viewable on those computers |
| 20:08.09 | TD-Linux | OOH: |
| 20:08.16 | DTRemenak | you've got physical access to the boxen right? they're not protected. you've got network access, right? it's not protected. |
| 20:08.16 | TD-Linux | Knoppix Live CD! |
| 20:08.35 | ruskie | not sure |
| 20:08.39 | ruskie | the bios could be passcoded |
| 20:08.44 | DTRemenak | a packet sniffer on a laptop is your friend |
| 20:08.45 | ruskie | like it was there |
| 20:08.46 | ruskie | :) |
| 20:08.52 | ruskie | if they allow you to hook it up |
| 20:08.52 | orange | bzfscron... heh, that's awesome |
| 20:08.53 | TD-Linux | hmm... so, how do I get the admin password? |
| 20:08.54 | DTRemenak | bios passwords can be reset |
| 20:09.13 | TD-Linux | Think they will let me rip open one of their comptuers to reset the password? |
| 20:09.18 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:09.26 | DTRemenak | do it when they aren't watching, moron :) |
| 20:09.27 | ruskie | there are generic passwords for a lot of bioses |
| 20:09.29 | TD-Linux | I could steal the 2.4GHZ pentium 4, if I felt like it |
| 20:09.39 | ruskie | yeah our cs teacher was funny |
| 20:09.40 | DTRemenak | and actually with ours we didn't have to open them up |
| 20:09.51 | TD-Linux | so, how did you hack them? |
| 20:09.56 | TD-Linux | Linux live CD? |
| 20:09.59 | DTRemenak | just pull the power cord, lay it on its side, and THWACK, and the battery would pop out into the case |
| 20:10.01 | ruskie | he like came in said here's the url with your assignments I'll be back in 5 minutes |
| 20:10.08 | ruskie | and he was gone for the whole time of the class |
| 20:10.13 | *** join/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (n=Blue_Eye@host2-207.pool8254.interbusiness.it) |
| 20:10.22 | DTRemenak | orange, thanks :) |
| 20:10.39 | TD-Linux | hehe, it's fun switching around all the mouse cables on the back of the computers |
| 20:10.49 | DTRemenak | that's just juvenile |
| 20:10.58 | TD-Linux | I know, but it's easy |
| 20:11.06 | DTRemenak | look for the challenge |
| 20:11.07 | TD-Linux | a KVM is better |
| 20:11.13 | brlcad | more fun to beat them with the mice |
| 20:11.19 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:11.28 | TD-Linux | hook up a KVM, switch keyboards so they login to your computer, then switch back |
| 20:11.38 | TD-Linux | >:-) |
| 20:11.52 | DTRemenak | the key is, once you get a little bit of access, first ensure you can always keep it, then try to expand it |
| 20:12.13 | TD-Linux | They refuse to give me any special access at all |
| 20:12.17 | DTRemenak | unauthorized keyloggers are a felony in most states, just as a warning |
| 20:12.50 | DTRemenak | umm, since when is "once you get" equal to "once they give you"? :) |
| 20:12.51 | TD-Linux | I was about to get special admin priveleges for doing hard-drive reimaging on the computers, but then they decided it was a security risk, and as you all know by now, it was ;) |
| 20:13.35 | TD-Linux | OK, I have read-access to the entire hard drive, what do I do now? |
| 20:13.43 | DTRemenak | look at stuff |
| 20:13.47 | DTRemenak | figure out what's useful |
| 20:14.05 | TD-Linux | I also have access to a partition of the server hard drive, accessible by all computers, only used for some old programs |
| 20:14.17 | TD-Linux | I found their spy software |
| 20:14.28 | TD-Linux | I tried to modify it, first by changing the 'lock' image |
| 20:14.33 | TD-Linux | the directory is read-only |
| 20:15.33 | TD-Linux | I'm going to the website of the district |
| 20:15.42 | Tupone | DTRemenak: a new c-ares release is out just now. If we are not going to release in days, I will put that in |
| 20:16.06 | DTRemenak | it's all about thinking and experimentation. if you fail to do 1000 things, you know 1000 things that don't work. and you probably learned something in the process. |
| 20:16.39 | TD-Linux | what could this be: Login |
| 20:16.41 | ruskie | new sdl is out |
| 20:16.45 | DTRemenak | Tupone, go ahead, if trepan is not ready |
| 20:16.52 | TD-Linux | Welcome to WebConnect |
| 20:16.57 | Tupone | trepan is ready, he said |
| 20:17.02 | DTRemenak | oh? |
| 20:17.12 | ruskie | I wonder if anything breaks with the new sdl |
| 20:17.20 | DTRemenak | well I'm not :) at least sept 2 before I have time to work on releasing |
| 20:17.30 | DTRemenak | so go ahead |
| 20:17.32 | TD-Linux | Oh, I love this |
| 20:17.39 | TD-Linux | I came to an admin login page |
| 20:17.44 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:17.45 | TD-Linux | looking at the source... |
| 20:17.51 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:17.57 | TD-Linux | it uses JS to check the password! |
| 20:18.07 | bryjen | a-hem |
| 20:18.10 | ruskie | rotfl |
| 20:18.20 | Tupone | ok |
| 20:18.21 | ruskie | I don't think that should be TO hard to break through |
| 20:18.24 | ToughShooter | nice ;) |
| 20:18.26 | TD-Linux | it's encoded, but that's easy to hack |
| 20:18.27 | ruskie | I did such stuff at cs for fun :) |
| 20:18.45 | ruskie | of course on one of the many hack challenages around the net though |
| 20:18.56 | trepan | DTRemenak: yup, don't really _need_ to commit anything =) |
| 20:19.03 | DTRemenak | trepan, heh :) |
| 20:19.23 | TD-Linux | oh no! it uses ASP to check the password! |
| 20:19.37 | TD-Linux | now, how would I view the ASP source? :) |
| 20:19.43 | TD-Linux | brb |
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| 20:20.09 | ToughShooter | Reminds me on a musuem about computers...there were computers for visitors with XP, after 10 minutes I had put Linux on the box I was using >:) |
| 20:20.33 | RPG_ | hello |
| 20:20.54 | RPG_ | TS: you're bad :) |
| 20:21.20 | ToughShooter | It was a much stripped down version .. no x11 etc |
| 20:21.29 | TD-Linux | live CD?: |
| 20:21.34 | ruskie | TD-Linux, figure out where it's hidden |
| 20:21.51 | TD-Linux | the password checker is actually in a separate ASP page |
| 20:21.58 | TD-Linux | ../login/loginpage.asp |
| 20:22.10 | ToughShooter | No, they've tried to lock the computer and let the visitors only use IE... |
| 20:22.29 | TD-Linux | aww... Directory Listing Denied |
| 20:23.19 | TD-Linux | this is too secure for me |
| 20:23.44 | DTRemenak | nothing is too secure for someone with enough time and energy |
| 20:23.56 | ruskie | esepecialy energy |
| 20:24.11 | TD-Linux | so, how should I get into this next? |
| 20:24.16 | DTRemenak | 'course, our webserver ran some variety of commercial unix. I never did figure out how to get access to it. Didn't spend much time trying either, there was no real point. |
| 20:24.33 | TD-Linux | this one runs Microsoft Server |
| 20:24.48 | ruskie | TD-Linux, google+iis+exploit |
| 20:24.56 | ruskie | might turn up something :) |
| 20:25.04 | ruskie | if nothing else you could drop the whole thing :) |
| 20:25.11 | ruskie | prolly easier than to hack it :) |
| 20:25.15 | DTRemenak | tsk, dos is in bad form |
| 20:25.16 | RPG_ | is anyone hree admin on the GU league site? |
| 20:25.37 | TD-Linux | Think Masterbot should have support for IE? |
| 20:25.45 | TD-Linux | does it's support have to display pretty? |
| 20:25.52 | RPG_ | design it for FF, it'll turn out somehow in IE |
| 20:25.56 | TD-Linux | IE renders PNG horrible |
| 20:25.58 | ruskie | yup |
| 20:26.04 | ruskie | so don't bother with IE |
| 20:26.07 | ruskie | IE is evil |
| 20:26.17 | TD-Linux | it dosent work with :hover right either |
| 20:26.41 | ruskie | it's called M$ IE for a reason |
| 20:26.46 | ruskie | non-standards compliant |
| 20:26.57 | TD-Linux | Google IE |
| 20:27.07 | TD-Linux | anti IE, I mean |
| 20:27.09 | DTRemenak | only time we did that was accidentally when we found that the psshutdown command was non-restricted and accidentally powered down the app server |
| 20:27.28 | TD-Linux | naughty |
| 20:27.36 | DTRemenak | apparently they figured that locking us out of the commandline was good enough |
| 20:27.47 | TD-Linux | you got in the cmmmandline anyway? |
| 20:27.55 | DTRemenak | naturally |
| 20:27.56 | ruskie | DTRemenak, lol |
| 20:27.58 | TD-Linux | how? |
| 20:27.59 | ruskie | DTRemenak, evil |
| 20:28.09 | TD-Linux | on our windows boxes, the command-line is loked out |
| 20:28.33 | DTRemenak | don't remember. batch file that triggered an error and dropped to a shell, I think |
| 20:28.53 | ruskie | we needed commandlline |
| 20:28.57 | ruskie | we did pascal coding :) |
| 20:30.18 | TD-Linux | we USED to have commandline, for java |
| 20:30.33 | TD-Linux | no longer, after I found the commandline was good for other thing |
| 20:30.35 | DTRemenak | twas nicely ironic because it gave us the "you do not have permission to run cmd.exe" error, and then dumped us right out on a command prompt |
| 20:31.17 | TD-Linux | sounds like ours, so all I have to do is write a messed-up batch file? |
| 20:31.35 | DTRemenak | see, that is something you should not do. don't let them know you have access, and definately do not abuse it |
| 20:31.53 | DTRemenak | just because you can do something does not mean you should |
| 20:31.56 | TD-Linux | I didn't abuse it |
| 20:32.08 | TD-Linux | it was a joke |
| 20:32.14 | TD-Linux | I did find I had access |
| 20:32.21 | TD-Linux | I did need to enter a command once |
| 20:32.24 | DTRemenak | jokes are abuse, from the perspective of the administration |
| 20:32.32 | RPG_ | so true |
| 20:32.32 | TD-Linux | no, I mean a joke to #bzflag |
| 20:32.38 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 20:32.44 | DTRemenak | it's true anyway :) |
| 20:32.48 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 20:33.16 | TD-Linux | met is slow :( |
| 20:33.29 | TD-Linux | he was supposed to have a frame laid out already :/ |
| 20:33.48 | TD-Linux | I'll do it myself, I guess |
| 20:33.58 | TD-Linux | whoops, wrong channel |
| 20:34.48 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:38.20 | TD-Linux | ~lart myself |
| 20:38.50 | TD-Linux | ~kill myself |
| 20:38.51 | ibot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized neutron gun at myself |
| 20:39.02 | TD-Linux | ~die |
| 20:39.03 | ibot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 20:40.29 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 20:40.32 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: The current temperature in Cumming, Georgia (30040) is 87°F (3:54 PM EDT on August 29, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 71°F. UV: 4 out of 16 |
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| 21:09.45 | RatOmeter | anyone care to comment on the quality of this custom laser sound? |
| 21:09.46 | RatOmeter | http://139.78.95.188/bz_laser.wav |
| 21:11.06 | JeffM2501 | rather short |
| 21:11.11 | RatOmeter | yeah |
| 21:11.17 | RatOmeter | could be made longer |
| 21:11.35 | JeffM2501 | what is the default laser lifetime? |
| 21:11.56 | trepan | rather short |
| 21:12.14 | JeffM2501 | I'd match the sound to that time |
| 21:12.17 | JeffM2501 | the default one |
| 21:12.21 | JeffM2501 | if they match it's fine |
| 21:12.33 | JeffM2501 | tho have to kinda see it in action to know for sure :) |
| 21:13.07 | RatOmeter | 230 ms for the original sound, looks like |
| 21:13.17 | RatOmeter | oddly, mine is 500 ms ;) |
| 21:13.33 | RatOmeter | (but fades rapidly |
| 21:13.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah a lot of dead at the end of yours |
| 21:14.01 | JeffM2501 | the origonal sound, I never liked |
| 21:14.25 | JeffM2501 | it's not a bad sound, maybe just have it not drop so fast |
| 21:14.33 | JeffM2501 | sound very 80's game tho :) |
| 21:14.38 | RatOmeter | yeah, sound of the others bug me too. the SW and teleporter are really grating |
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| 21:15.07 | JeffM2501 | what do you expect for 1994 |
| 21:15.21 | RatOmeter | I was looking for more bass, but overdid it (trails down to a pretty low freq) |
| 21:15.57 | RatOmeter | s/sound/some (above) |
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| 22:07.17 | Gnurdux | i get that from bzadmin when i try using a password |
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| 22:56.34 | DTRemenak | whee |
| 22:56.35 | Tupone | :( |
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| 22:58.59 | Tupone | DTRemenak: I don't update c-ares. Too much change on configure.ac that I have to understand. SO i give up for now. I even don't use it. I use c-ares in the OS, system wide. bigger changes are support for ipv6 + our fix for windows. I will update only my windows Cross-build |
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| 22:59.17 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 23:00.01 | Tupone | don't think an update is necessary for your build, too |
| 23:00.12 | Tupone | we have no open point |
| 23:01.01 | Pimpinella | so you'll leae it as is or update later? |
| 23:01.09 | Pimpinella | *leave |
| 23:01.31 | Tupone | I'll leave as it is for now. |
| 23:01.49 | Tupone | if someone want to update Is free to do it :) |
| 23:01.55 | Pimpinella | nah |
| 23:02.49 | Tupone | For windows, I can try to build a dll for c-ares. |
| 23:03.06 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: Is the jitter bug for debian and gcc4 fixed? |
| 23:03.12 | Tupone | yeah |
| 23:03.24 | Tupone | the strange number bug |
| 23:03.48 | Tupone | CVS, not still in debian |
| 23:03.49 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter, cvs works and the older 2.0.2 works |
| 23:04.00 | DTRemenak | should release 2.0.4 to replace debain package |
| 23:04.05 | ToughShooter | So either revert to a previous version of bzflag or update to latest CVS? |
| 23:04.34 | Tupone | ToughShooter: need a previous version of debian, from what I know |
| 23:04.42 | Tupone | or just the stable |
| 23:05.01 | ToughShooter | 2.0.2 STABLE or debian stable? |
| 23:05.33 | Tupone | debian stable is 1 option. Other option is bzflag CVS head |
| 23:05.34 | TimRiker | debian stable is ok, debian unstable is a NMU that's broken. |
| 23:06.04 | TimRiker | a 2.0.4 might be a Good Idea |
| 23:06.29 | JeffM2501 | whoot 192 computer minutes to copy all my must :) |
| 23:06.41 | TimRiker | "all my must" ? |
| 23:06.48 | ToughShooter | thanx for clarification |
| 23:06.53 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, dtr has been pusing for a 2.0.4 he's geting the last people to make ther echanges |
| 23:06.55 | JeffM2501 | music |
| 23:06.57 | JeffM2501 | I can't type |
| 23:07.04 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, trepan says go |
| 23:07.26 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, then the only other thing is your crash |
| 23:07.31 | DTRemenak | my crash? |
| 23:07.32 | JeffM2501 | and a couple installer bugs |
| 23:07.34 | ToughShooter | heh, I even got the mac plugins compiling ...but wrong linked of course ;) |
| 23:07.36 | JeffM2501 | the stack thing |
| 23:07.41 | DTRemenak | ah, fixed that |
| 23:07.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh cool |
| 23:07.49 | JeffM2501 | are plugins a go on the mac? |
| 23:07.59 | DTRemenak | you made a bad assumption in roguegenocide - player id's can be noncontiguous :) |
| 23:08.06 | ToughShooter | No, there's some other problem with linking as I said |
| 23:08.09 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I did? |
| 23:08.15 | TimRiker | are plugins required? or still optional add on features? |
| 23:08.17 | JeffM2501 | I was iterating thru a playerList |
| 23:08.25 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, they are optional, but highly desired |
| 23:08.30 | DTRemenak | no, you used the iterator var, not the list :) |
| 23:08.38 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I am dumb |
| 23:08.46 | JeffM2501 | not the first time I've done that |
| 23:08.59 | DTRemenak | you did for (i=0; i<size; i++) getPlayerByIndex(i); |
| 23:09.06 | JeffM2501 | bahh |
| 23:09.15 | JeffM2501 | wait< I thought I had fixed that bug |
| 23:09.19 | DTRemenak | instead of getPlayerByIndex((*playerList)[i]) |
| 23:09.20 | JeffM2501 | maybe I didn't commit |
| 23:09.28 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:09.34 | JeffM2501 | well at least it got fixed |
| 23:09.37 | DTRemenak | well I fixed it yesterday so it's all good now |
| 23:10.01 | DTRemenak | hm, but I have been having client crashes recently |
| 23:10.01 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, the libtool stuff learner did shoudl have it all set for any OS, I just need a verifaction that he's done |
| 23:10.13 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: cool. |
| 23:10.15 | DTRemenak | only with servers using vocaliser. memory gets clobbered in sound.cxx |
| 23:10.25 | JeffM2501 | we've been pusing for a release for like the last monght |
| 23:10.27 | JeffM2501 | month |
| 23:10.33 | DTRemenak | and I can't figure out heads or tails of our silly mixer system |
| 23:10.40 | JeffM2501 | mixer is wierd |
| 23:11.13 | JeffM2501 | our dopler and stuff isn't even right |
| 23:11.29 | DTRemenak | I have had no problems on servers not running vocaliser. Those that do, I get crashes about 1 in 2 connects. |
| 23:11.36 | DTRemenak | always at the first kill |
| 23:11.42 | JeffM2501 | pull vocaliser |
| 23:11.56 | DTRemenak | or is it vocaliser. one of those |
| 23:12.04 | DTRemenak | which one sends sounds when someone gets killed? |
| 23:12.05 | JeffM2501 | play history tracker maybe |
| 23:12.10 | JeffM2501 | pht |
| 23:12.12 | DTRemenak | yeah, that could be |
| 23:12.24 | DTRemenak | I'd say disable the sounds. text seems to work ok. |
| 23:12.25 | JeffM2501 | all that does is add a new sound |
| 23:12.29 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:12.31 | JeffM2501 | easy enough to do |
| 23:12.58 | DTRemenak | yeah, it adds a new sound, and then bzflag crashes :) |
| 23:13.00 | brad2901 | could you also disable the sounds with the shock wave death plugin? |
| 23:13.11 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 23:13.12 | brad2901 | it gets v. annoying |
| 23:13.18 | DTRemenak | that sends sounds? |
| 23:13.21 | brad2901 | yup |
| 23:13.26 | JeffM2501 | I think the only reason I added it was to test the sound API |
| 23:13.29 | JeffM2501 | it's not suposed to have em |
| 23:13.29 | brad2901 | the flag capture sound |
| 23:13.49 | DTRemenak | maybe it's the two firing at once then. I ought to do some testing with one plugin at a time. |
| 23:14.01 | JeffM2501 | it is just a message that calls soundlocal |
| 23:14.16 | JeffM2501 | same thing as what happens when bz has 2 things happen at once |
| 23:14.21 | JeffM2501 | it's probably a bug in my custom sound loader |
| 23:14.31 | JeffM2501 | since any API sound dosn't come from the ID list |
| 23:14.49 | DTRemenak | that could be. do you reference sounds which are not in cvs? |
| 23:15.09 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/shockwaveDeath/shockwaveDeath.cpp: remove sounds on death, as it's lame |
| 23:15.11 | DTRemenak | one of your old installers had more sounds in it than cvs does |
| 23:15.20 | DTRemenak | and I haven't tried any of your newer ones |
| 23:15.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah I don't use that dir anymore |
| 23:15.40 | JeffM2501 | that's why I make builds form a "clean" dir I keep around |
| 23:15.44 | JeffM2501 | no new sounds or data |
| 23:15.50 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 23:15.56 | JeffM2501 | once I packaged up the entire UT male 2 sounds |
| 23:16.02 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 23:16.28 | JeffM2501 | vocaliser isn't part of the default set of windows plugins, so I'm not woried abou it |
| 23:16.34 | JeffM2501 | just like python |
| 23:18.09 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/playHistoryTracker/playHistoryTracker.cpp: remove sound playing as it "may" be bugy |
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| 23:20.56 | JeffM2501 | I don't think I can do anything with the seting of player scores untill proto break |
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| 23:27.35 | a_monkey | can i have an installation of sdl in a certain prefix full of symlinks to another installation? |
| 23:29.55 | Tupone | have you tried using ./configure --prefix=/... |
| 23:30.08 | purple_cow | a_monkey: you *could*, but why? |
| 23:30.48 | a_monkey | for a certain complicated reason that i don't feel like explaining. :P |
| 23:34.37 | JeffM2501 | allow me to translate for you |
| 23:34.39 | JeffM2501 | he's saying |
| 23:34.45 | JeffM2501 | " becaus I don't know what I'm doing" |
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| 23:39.20 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: thank you |
| 23:41.33 | JeffM2501 | my pleasure :) |
| 23:42.56 | TD-Linux | How do you like this image: |
| 23:43.06 | TD-Linux | https://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=144370 |
| 23:43.55 | JeffM2501 | kde tank? |
| 23:43.58 | TD-Linux | Don't get a hard drive based MP3 player, why waste your money on 20GB of space if you can't listen to that much music in a day? |
| 23:44.05 | TD-Linux | Well, inspired by KDE |
| 23:44.07 | TD-Linux | I guess |
| 23:44.16 | TD-Linux | It's the Masterbot logo |
| 23:44.39 | JeffM2501 | so I guessed :) |
| 23:45.13 | TD-Linux | It took me FOREVER to get those reflections right, with time forever.minutes = 30; |
| 23:47.55 | purple_cow | TD-Linux: not everyone wants to have to change what's on their player every day |
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| 23:50.17 | TD-Linux | purple_cow, huh? |
| 23:51.09 | purple_cow | your comment about hard disk players |
| 23:51.53 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 23:52.00 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, people use them in difrent ways |
| 23:52.07 | JeffM2501 | many like to have a library of songs around wiht them |
| 23:52.11 | JeffM2501 | that they change at will |
| 23:52.28 | JeffM2501 | not everyone syncs to a PC every day |
| 23:52.31 | JeffM2501 | I do |
| 23:52.34 | JeffM2501 | so a flash will do for me |
| 23:52.43 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: what happened to your mini? |
| 23:52.43 | JeffM2501 | probably just get another shuffle |
| 23:52.48 | JeffM2501 | I had a suffle |
| 23:52.50 | JeffM2501 | I lost it |
| 23:52.53 | purple_cow | aw |
| 23:52.59 | JeffM2501 | I think I ate it by accedent |
| 23:53.00 | TD-Linux | on purpose? |
| 23:53.03 | JeffM2501 | no |
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| 23:53.12 | JeffM2501 | like they day before I went to hawaii |
| 23:53.13 | JeffM2501 | pissed me off |
| 23:53.33 | JeffM2501 | only 129$ to replace |
| 23:53.40 | JeffM2501 | so no bigie |
| 23:53.48 | TD-Linux | 8-O |
| 23:54.00 | TD-Linux | I don't spend that much in a year |
| 23:54.22 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 23:54.25 | JeffM2501 | I do |
| 23:54.31 | JeffM2501 | I could spend that on a good dinner :) |
| 23:54.36 | TD-Linux | well, my parents buy me clothes and food |
| 23:54.41 | JeffM2501 | must be nice |
| 23:54.50 | JeffM2501 | how old are oyu? |
| 23:54.59 | TD-Linux | I am cheap; my most expensive microcontroller proto board was $10 |
| 23:55.03 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: sorry to hear that, I bought a broken iPod off my friend, managed to fix it (I still don't know how), and it gave up on me last Friday in the middle of a work day! |
| 23:55.16 | TD-Linux | the micro on it was $7 |
| 23:55.24 | TD-Linux | the programmer/debugger was $20 |
| 23:55.28 | JeffM2501 | lunch is more then $7 |
| 23:55.34 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: So I took it apart, took pictures, and am planning on putting them on the web on how to dis-assemble an iPod |
| 23:55.39 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:55.48 | Ice_Wewe | Now if you'll excuse me, my CPU is overheating |
| 23:55.49 | JeffM2501 | I don't care how they work really, just that they do |
| 23:55.55 | JeffM2501 | apple just has the pricepoint right for a gig player |
| 23:56.01 | JeffM2501 | 129$ is damn good |
| 23:56.17 | JeffM2501 | specialy since it dosn't need a cable to hook into the PC |
| 23:56.28 | TD-Linux | I even burned out some traces on the $10 board (the $10 includes the $7 uC) and I was too cheap to buy a new one and soldered some jumper wires over it instead |
| 23:56.55 | JeffM2501 | you will when you get your real job |
| 23:57.01 | JeffM2501 | how much longer are you there for? |
| 23:57.12 | TD-Linux | with a $80 soldering station that my dad bought me ;) |
| 23:57.29 | Ice_Wewe | bbl (need to conserve CPU time, I don't want a busted P4 :0) |
| 23:57.37 | JeffM2501 | max |
| 23:58.37 | TD-Linux | how old am I? let's see, I'll make a very, very fancy equation that only people with brains larger than a pea (or people without brains but with a calculator) can solve: sin(90degrees) * 13 |
| 23:58.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:58.56 | JeffM2501 | lame |
| 23:59.03 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: 9 months at a minimum, but it's looking like it'll be another year or two after that |
| 23:59.12 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, why so long |
| 23:59.27 | JeffM2501 | any good job prospects? |
| 23:59.29 | purple_cow | pretty much decided to do an MS :P |
| 23:59.38 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:59.44 | purple_cow | i could probably land a job over at vmware with scanlime pretty easily |
| 23:59.45 | JeffM2501 | well those do come in handy |
| 23:59.53 | JeffM2501 | that could be fun |