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| 00:15.48 | uso_w | does global login need a direct connection to the listserver?? |
| 00:16.20 | meno_lap | as opposed to indirect ? |
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| 00:16.33 | uso_w | http_proxy |
| 00:16.36 | meno_lap | the client needs to hit a url |
| 00:16.38 | meno_lap | ahh |
| 00:16.44 | meno_lap | proxies may be a proble |
| 00:16.54 | uso_w | seems so ;) |
| 00:17.31 | uso_w | so i cannot talk on the gu match servers :( |
| 00:17.42 | meno_lap | eww |
| 00:17.59 | JeffM2501 | proxys arn't happy |
| 00:18.12 | JeffM2501 | what kind of proxy do you have? |
| 00:18.18 | uso_w | squid |
| 00:18.39 | JeffM2501 | is it just a caching thing? |
| 00:18.48 | JeffM2501 | or do you have to set your browsers to use it? |
| 00:18.52 | uso_w | no, application gateway |
| 00:19.03 | JeffM2501 | bz as no direct proxy support |
| 00:19.07 | uso_w | no routing to inet at all |
| 00:19.15 | JeffM2501 | how do you play? |
| 00:19.25 | JeffM2501 | udp thru a proxy has to be nasty |
| 00:19.26 | uso_w | only observer |
| 00:19.32 | uso_w | for the matches |
| 00:19.34 | uso_w | ssh tunnel |
| 00:19.36 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 00:19.40 | JeffM2501 | double eww |
| 00:19.44 | uso_w | :) |
| 00:19.55 | JeffM2501 | yes, global auth is all handled by the list server |
| 00:20.12 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.18 | uso_w | is it only a http connection? |
| 00:20.23 | JeffM2501 | we have it set to run on ports 80 and 81 |
| 00:20.36 | JeffM2501 | 81 usualy gets around most ISP transperant proxy systems |
| 00:20.45 | uso_w | can i configure it to localhost and forward the ports? |
| 00:20.51 | JeffM2501 | but bzflag is a game, it asumes a real connecton |
| 00:20.54 | JeffM2501 | yes it is HTTP |
| 00:21.00 | JeffM2501 | the list server is a web server |
| 00:21.25 | uso_w | but can i configure the server name? |
| 00:21.38 | JeffM2501 | you can set the list server name yes |
| 00:21.41 | JeffM2501 | in your config |
| 00:23.15 | JeffM2501 | set list http://my.BZFlag.org/db/ |
| 00:23.21 | JeffM2501 | in your config |
| 00:23.26 | JeffM2501 | take the # off the front |
| 00:23.33 | JeffM2501 | and then set the URL as you need |
| 00:23.39 | JeffM2501 | most people just change the port to :81 |
| 00:23.42 | JeffM2501 | in that URL |
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| 00:24.30 | uso_w | only needs one port? |
| 00:24.36 | JeffM2501 | it's just http |
| 00:24.38 | JeffM2501 | nothing fancy |
| 00:24.50 | JeffM2501 | default's to 80 |
| 00:25.34 | JeffM2501 | all you do is send in your username and password, and it gives you back a token. |
| 00:25.46 | JeffM2501 | you then send that token and your username to the game server |
| 00:26.06 | JeffM2501 | then the game server asks the list server is your token is good for your name, and what groups you are in. |
| 00:26.17 | JeffM2501 | if they match, then your good to go, and global authed |
| 00:26.27 | JeffM2501 | and the token gets reset |
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| 00:31.39 | uso_w | does not work |
| 00:32.05 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:32.14 | JeffM2501 | like I say, we don't have ANY proxy support in game |
| 00:32.14 | uso_w | i can get the index file through the tunnel via wget but bzflag says can not connect list server socket |
| 00:32.37 | JeffM2501 | bzflag won't know to use the tunnel |
| 00:32.43 | JeffM2501 | it does it's own URL gets |
| 00:32.47 | JeffM2501 | using libCurl |
| 00:33.11 | JeffM2501 | it was not designed to work that way |
| 00:33.17 | uso_w | dont need proxy if it were pure http |
| 00:33.21 | uso_w | i know :) |
| 00:33.27 | JeffM2501 | is is pure HTTP |
| 00:33.34 | JeffM2501 | right thru libCURL |
| 00:33.38 | uso_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.43 | JeffM2501 | it'll do http get or post ( depending on your version ) |
| 00:34.10 | JeffM2501 | abuse? |
| 00:34.42 | uso_w | behind a proxy only to watch matches ;) |
| 00:34.54 | JeffM2501 | it sounds like they don't want you playing games there |
| 00:35.00 | JeffM2501 | since it's so locked down |
| 00:35.05 | uso_w | i do not play :) |
| 00:35.20 | JeffM2501 | it sounds like they don't even want you to do ANYTHING with a game there |
| 00:36.02 | JeffM2501 | hack up your client, have it let you enter the token manualy instead of the password |
| 00:36.11 | uso_w | it's only the kind of firewall, security reasons |
| 00:36.12 | JeffM2501 | then use your wget to send in the URL with paramater to get a token |
| 00:36.30 | JeffM2501 | input that token and have the game send it to the server |
| 00:36.35 | uso_w | i've set up the firewall by myself ;) |
| 00:36.49 | uso_w | but cannot turn it into a routing firewall only for the game ;) |
| 00:37.05 | JeffM2501 | then it sounds like you know your own answer |
| 00:37.26 | uso_w | is the token always the same? probably not, isn't it? |
| 00:37.41 | JeffM2501 | no, the token is only valid for one get/send session |
| 00:37.56 | JeffM2501 | so you get it once, send it to the server, the server checks it, and then the token is invalidated |
| 00:38.05 | JeffM2501 | but then it's good for that entire game |
| 00:38.32 | JeffM2501 | or change your client to call a little shell script when it needs a token |
| 00:38.43 | uso_w | is there any runtime debugging of that process? |
| 00:38.45 | JeffM2501 | instead of calling curl |
| 00:38.51 | JeffM2501 | of what process? |
| 00:38.57 | JeffM2501 | the get from the URL? |
| 00:38.58 | uso_w | authorization |
| 00:39.04 | uso_w | yes |
| 00:39.07 | JeffM2501 | auth happens on the list server |
| 00:39.20 | JeffM2501 | you jsut send your username and password in a URL |
| 00:39.25 | uso_w | the process getting/sending the token |
| 00:39.26 | JeffM2501 | and that is sent via CURL |
| 00:39.48 | JeffM2501 | if you can debug lubCURL you can debug the send |
| 00:39.57 | uso_w | and that is http, not https?? |
| 00:40.04 | JeffM2501 | normal HTTP |
| 00:40.09 | uso_w | oh oh |
| 00:40.22 | JeffM2501 | no need for HTTPS |
| 00:40.30 | JeffM2501 | just more pain on curl's side |
| 00:40.33 | uso_w | it better has no proxy support ;) |
| 00:40.54 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 00:41.07 | JeffM2501 | I think curl has some proxy stuff, we just don't have an iterface to set it |
| 00:41.09 | JeffM2501 | yet |
| 00:41.39 | uso_w | don't want my password logged on a proxy server |
| 00:41.52 | JeffM2501 | then never connect to bzbb |
| 00:42.10 | uso_w | that's what i have tried so far :) |
| 00:42.24 | JeffM2501 | global auth uses the bzbb user database |
| 00:42.32 | JeffM2501 | if you want to global auth you have to conenct to bzbb |
| 00:42.46 | JeffM2501 | it's a game, not a high security system |
| 00:45.24 | uso_w | curl also does work through the port forwarding |
| 00:45.46 | uso_w | do you know how the url is composed? |
| 00:46.10 | JeffM2501 | the URL in the config + ? + the params for username and password |
| 00:46.16 | JeffM2501 | then voop, right thru curl |
| 00:51.18 | uso_w | must be sth different, comes a form page back, no token |
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| 00:51.48 | JeffM2501 | the form is default, if you don't have the right params in, it allways returns the page |
| 00:52.17 | JeffM2501 | you have to send in like?action=LIST&callsign=yourname&password=yourpassword |
| 00:52.21 | JeffM2501 | and stuff like that |
| 00:53.51 | JeffM2501 | how does your port forward thing need it? |
| 00:54.13 | uso_w | i try to get it directly atm |
| 00:54.48 | uso_w | try to find out the correct url |
| 00:55.24 | uso_w | do yu have a hint where it gets composed in the source? |
| 00:55.43 | uso_w | have found only motd so far |
| 00:56.53 | JeffM2501 | oh if you just need a token, I have exactly what you need :) |
| 00:57.09 | JeffM2501 | I made a weblogin that will send a token to a URL, so other sites could use the bzbb logins |
| 00:59.35 | JeffM2501 | or just use this |
| 00:59.36 | JeffM2501 | http://db.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST&version=000000&callsign=YOURNAME&password=YOURPASSWORD |
| 00:59.44 | JeffM2501 | and replace your username and your password with the real ones |
| 00:59.48 | JeffM2501 | URL encoded of course |
| 01:01.40 | uso_w | at least the form page isn't coming anymore :) |
| 01:01.50 | uso_w | but now i get an empty page |
| 01:02.42 | JeffM2501 | did you put in your real username and password? |
| 01:02.49 | JeffM2501 | and did you URL encode your password? |
| 01:03.00 | uso_w | is it the same login i can use on my.bzflag.org or do i need another registration? |
| 01:03.10 | JeffM2501 | it's your forum registration |
| 01:03.26 | JeffM2501 | and of you have special characters in your name or password you must URL encode them |
| 01:03.32 | uso_w | url encode? |
| 01:03.42 | uso_w | no, no special chars |
| 01:03.42 | JeffM2501 | like a space is %20 |
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| 01:05.51 | uso_w | wow, it's callsign, not username |
| 01:06.01 | uso_w | now i got a token |
| 01:06.10 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 01:06.17 | uso_w | should have red the form page earlier :) |
| 01:06.34 | JeffM2501 | now hack your game client to send that token instead of the one it gets |
| 01:06.52 | uso_w | and i also get it with curl through the port forwarding |
| 01:07.00 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 01:07.06 | uso_w | only bzflag is to dumb to get it :) |
| 01:07.12 | JeffM2501 | bzflag uses libcurl |
| 01:07.22 | JeffM2501 | how did you tell curl to use the port forwarding? |
| 01:07.36 | uso_w | yes, thats's why i used curl |
| 01:07.38 | uso_w | to test |
| 01:08.08 | uso_w | i don't tell curl the port forwarding, i only chande the host in the url |
| 01:08.17 | uso_w | change |
| 01:08.18 | JeffM2501 | how did you change the host? |
| 01:08.24 | JeffM2501 | what URL did you pass thru curl? |
| 01:08.35 | uso_w | http://localhost:8100/db/?action=LIST&version=000000&callsign=... |
| 01:08.53 | uso_w | that's what i also wrote to the config |
| 01:08.58 | JeffM2501 | did you take out the # |
| 01:09.14 | JeffM2501 | on that set line? |
| 01:09.17 | uso_w | yes :) |
| 01:09.44 | JeffM2501 | so you line was set list http://localhost:8100/db |
| 01:09.46 | JeffM2501 | right? |
| 01:10.17 | uso_w | had a slash at the end too |
| 01:10.22 | JeffM2501 | ok that shoudl be fine |
| 01:10.29 | JeffM2501 | that will tell our internal curl to use that URL |
| 01:10.40 | JeffM2501 | now what version of bz do you hae? |
| 01:10.41 | JeffM2501 | have? |
| 01:11.21 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.2 or something newer from cvs? |
| 01:12.02 | uso_w | oh damn, i should have closed bzflag before changing the config file ;) |
| 01:12.07 | uso_w | that hurts |
| 01:12.16 | uso_w | works now |
| 01:12.19 | JeffM2501 | yes, bz will update it on exit |
| 01:12.20 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 01:12.21 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 01:12.38 | uso_w | and it had worked from the beginning :)) |
| 01:13.30 | uso_w | thanks a lot |
| 01:13.33 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 01:13.37 | JeffM2501 | glad it worked out |
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| 02:08.24 | menotume | nice quit msg ! |
| 02:10.08 | brlcad | o.O |
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| 02:22.43 | a_monkey | when i try to compile the hiddenAdmin plugin, i get this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/EAKj8285.html |
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| 02:30.46 | JeffM2501 | no plugins on the mac yet |
| 02:30.58 | JeffM2501 | untill that brlcad guy finishes :) |
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| 03:27.04 | a_monkey | do teamkillers die on traditional ducati? |
| 03:45.38 | orchid | no |
| 03:52.16 | a_monkey | also, what's the building density on traditional ducati? |
| 03:56.06 | a_monkey | hmm if nobody knows that, lemme ask one more: can i use something like #00FFFF for the _mirror var? |
| 03:56.32 | trepan | no |
| 03:58.29 | jpa_ | use bzflag colors |
| 03:58.42 | jpa_ | like 0 1 1 0.5 |
| 03:59.37 | purple_cow | hah |
| 03:59.39 | purple_cow | "bzflag colors" ? |
| 03:59.52 | jpa_ | :P |
| 04:00.06 | trepan | purple_cow: yup, quotes required |
| 04:00.26 | jpa_ | (maybe some gl-colorstyle that is? ,) |
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| 04:40.22 | orchid | a_monkey: ducatui uses the default building density I believe |
| 05:02.36 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 05:02.38 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: The current temperature in Cumming, Georgia (30040) is 69°F (12:15 AM EDT on August 23, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 69°F. UV: 0 out of 16 |
| 05:03.52 | orange | !weather 85001 |
| 05:03.54 | TheLastSpartan | orange: The current temperature in Phoenix, Arizona (85001) is 95°F (9:51 PM MST on August 22, 2005). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 57°F. Pressure: 29.71 in (1006 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 16 |
| 05:04.02 | orange | heh, I win :-) |
| 05:04.19 | Aribeth | what are you doing there? |
| 05:04.25 | orange | quickie business trip |
| 05:04.32 | Aribeth | heh |
| 05:04.47 | Aribeth | or a quick sauna trip |
| 05:05.13 | orange | but it is dry... I can tell because when I walk outside my shirt isn't instantly wet |
| 05:05.19 | orange | like it is in GA |
| 05:05.30 | Aribeth | .lol. ya |
| 05:06.14 | Aribeth | i worked on my car for a 1/2 hour today and had to dry off after |
| 05:06.55 | orange | that'll teach you... air condition your garage. Your car will thank you :-) |
| 05:07.11 | Aribeth | i have thought about it |
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| 07:01.49 | Pimpi | orchid: ducati -density is 4 |
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| 07:22.17 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking |
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| 08:14.13 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/BanCommands.cxx: set the help message for the new commands stuff |
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| 09:55.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: set the help message for the new commands stuff in commands.cxx |
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| 11:01.52 | CBG | although its hilarious, it is also spam and Jeff would NOT be best pleased with it... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3604 |
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| 11:34.47 | downie | hi |
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| 11:38.19 | downwater | i've searched a little through the Web, but haven't found anything relevant about it : some servers doesn't accept me, cause "i'm not using udp". Is this a ISP-specific problem ? I'm not behind a firewall... |
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| 11:42.11 | DTRemenak | it's usually an itermittant problem. if you try again it may work. |
| 11:42.37 | DTRemenak | if you get that error a lot you may have a high dropped packet rate which could adversely affect your gameplay |
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| 11:54.19 | downwater | okay |
| 11:54.34 | downwater | so it doesn't mean I haven't udp |
| 11:54.38 | downwater | thank you |
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| 12:20.48 | Tupone | downwater: it just means the server have not received the confirmation about client using UDP. Could be too late or a missing packet. I wonder if that is TCP or UDP |
| 12:20.58 | Tupone | could be a bug also :) |
| 12:21.07 | downwater | okay :) |
| 12:21.22 | Tupone | are you wireless ? |
| 12:21.27 | downwater | yes |
| 12:21.35 | downwater | you mean it is that ? |
| 12:21.36 | Tupone | that could be .. missing packet |
| 12:22.02 | Tupone | wireless tend to miss packet a lot. Play where you have good signal |
| 12:22.04 | downwater | but i didn't have a bad rate when i ping |
| 12:22.10 | downwater | okay |
| 12:22.22 | downwater | some servers kick me, but other not |
| 12:22.38 | Tupone | Some are configured udp only, some not |
| 12:22.49 | Tupone | and sometime you don't miss that packet |
| 12:22.58 | downwater | ping shows 0% loss rate |
| 12:23.07 | downwater | ok |
| 12:24.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: line help for /date* /time* |
| 12:25.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/JoinMenu.cxx: invalidating token, when you change either callsign or password |
| 12:33.33 | menotume | ~Tupone++ Thanks. That was a bugger when i was testing the -advertise option :) |
| 12:34.37 | Tupone | ehh, I think we have more of that. Better it was to ask the token everytime before joining, instead of getting with the list server. But that is ok |
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| 12:52.17 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (BanCommands.cxx ServerCommand.cxx commands.cxx): fix again /date and /time |
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| 13:34.10 | Grumbler | dmp, god dag ;) |
| 13:35.10 | learner | the dmp dawg is in da haus |
| 13:35.45 | Tupone | hi learner & Grumbler |
| 13:36.16 | Grumbler | morning Tupone |
| 13:38.06 | meacan | God dag, Grumbler :) |
| 13:38.24 | meacan | ~dict dawg |
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| 13:39.03 | meacan | And hello learner |
| 13:39.45 | Grumbler | !dict dawg |
| 13:39.47 | TheLastSpartan | Grumbler: No definition for 'dawg' could be found. |
| 13:42.36 | Grumbler | http://www.thesource4ym.com/teenlingo/index.asp?Letter=D |
| 13:44.44 | meacan | ah |
| 13:45.36 | Grumbler | it was either that or "dumb a** white girl" but i dont think learner was being that cruel |
| 13:46.20 | meacan | I found some suggestions like, a day alone with god, or design and analysis working group :) |
| 13:47.15 | Grumbler | heh |
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| 15:11.30 | brlcad | Grumbler: heh, funny dictionary |
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| 15:53.47 | a_monkey | i always used to be able to host servers |
| 15:53.53 | a_monkey | and now that i'm under a router |
| 15:53.58 | a_monkey | i can't anymore |
| 15:54.00 | a_monkey | for some reason |
| 15:54.04 | RPG_ | set up port forwarding |
| 15:54.07 | RPG_ | www.portforward.com |
| 15:54.08 | a_monkey | it's a router/firewall |
| 15:54.11 | a_monkey | huh? |
| 15:54.19 | RPG_ | router = port forwarding |
| 15:54.26 | RPG_ | firewall = open up the BZFS port |
| 15:54.36 | a_monkey | hmm |
| 15:54.36 | RPG_ | what port will you be running your server oN? |
| 15:54.40 | a_monkey | 5156 |
| 15:54.50 | RPG_ | what firewall do you have on your comptuer? |
| 15:54.59 | RPG_ | not the router firewall, but the PC firewall |
| 15:55.06 | a_monkey | well i dunno if i have any |
| 15:55.13 | a_monkey | i'm on mac os x 10.4.2 |
| 15:55.22 | a_monkey | (tiger) |
| 15:55.25 | RPG_ | ok. do you know how to log into your router? |
| 15:55.39 | RPG_ | http://192.168.1.1/ should do |
| 15:55.44 | a_monkey | well, if i type in "192.168.0.1" i get a router config |
| 15:55.49 | RPG_ | good |
| 15:55.51 | RPG_ | you want that |
| 15:55.54 | a_monkey | ok |
| 15:55.59 | RPG_ | now, what brand of router do you ahve? |
| 15:56.18 | a_monkey | D-link |
| 15:56.30 | RPG_ | is there an "advanced" button you can click on? |
| 15:56.49 | a_monkey | yes |
| 15:56.52 | RPG_ | click it |
| 15:56.55 | a_monkey | ok |
| 15:57.07 | RPG_ | now, is there a "forwarding" link? |
| 15:57.09 | RPG_ | if so, click on it |
| 15:57.26 | a_monkey | no |
| 15:57.43 | RPG_ | hmmmm |
| 15:57.48 | RPG_ | what are your link choisces? |
| 15:57.58 | a_monkey | "virtual server", "applications", "filters", "firewall", and "dmz" |
| 15:58.23 | RPG_ | try applications |
| 15:58.27 | a_monkey | ok |
| 15:58.44 | RPG_ | is there a list where you can enter ports? |
| 15:58.55 | a_monkey | if you want i can show you a screenshot of the applications part |
| 15:58.59 | RPG_ | ok |
| 15:59.02 | a_monkey | brb |
| 15:59.06 | RPG_ | what model number do you have on your router? |
| 15:59.18 | a_monkey | i don't know |
| 15:59.28 | RPG_ | it probably says it on the router |
| 16:00.29 | a_monkey | oh gosh |
| 16:00.39 | a_monkey | my router is almost impossible to get at |
| 16:00.43 | RPG_ | ok, then focus on the screenshot |
| 16:01.42 | a_monkey | http://tinypic.com/az9h1z.png |
| 16:02.17 | RPG_ | oh wow, that's now what i thought it woudl look like |
| 16:02.44 | a_monkey | cool |
| 16:02.45 | a_monkey | :) |
| 16:02.48 | RPG_ | go to "virtual server" and take a screenie there |
| 16:03.17 | a_monkey | ok |
| 16:05.05 | a_monkey | http://tinypic.com/az9jk5.png |
| 16:06.01 | RPG_ | this page looks like the right one |
| 16:06.08 | RPG_ | for Name, type "BZFS" |
| 16:06.23 | RPG_ | for Private Port, type 5156 |
| 16:06.30 | RPG_ | for Public Port, type 5156 |
| 16:06.35 | RPG_ | for Schedule, click always |
| 16:06.56 | RPG_ | protocol type should be TCP |
| 16:07.04 | a_monkey | ok |
| 16:07.07 | RPG_ | then you'lll make another entry with it set to UDP |
| 16:07.12 | RPG_ | but private IP... |
| 16:07.17 | RPG_ | do you know how to get your LAN IP? |
| 16:07.32 | RPG_ | in windows it's "ipconfig" |
| 16:07.53 | a_monkey | let me see if i can type "ipconfig" |
| 16:07.54 | a_monkey | brb |
| 16:08.02 | RPG_ | Oh, don't forget to click on "Enabled" in the router screen |
| 16:08.48 | a_monkey | ok |
| 16:09.03 | a_monkey | "usage: ipconfig <command> <args>; where <command> is one of waitall, getifaddr, ifcount, getoption, getpacket, set, setverbose" |
| 16:09.23 | RPG_ | ipconfig getifaddr |
| 16:09.24 | RPG_ | try that |
| 16:09.27 | a_monkey | ok |
| 16:09.40 | RPG_ | 192.168.1. |
| 16:09.44 | a_monkey | usage: getifaddr <interface name> |
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| 16:09.45 | RPG_ | you sholud get something like that |
| 16:09.48 | a_monkey | oh |
| 16:09.55 | RPG_ | awwwww |
| 16:09.56 | a_monkey | i have 192.168.0.101 |
| 16:10.00 | RPG_ | you knew that? |
| 16:10.01 | RPG_ | lol |
| 16:10.03 | a_monkey | i knew that |
| 16:10.03 | a_monkey | yea |
| 16:10.04 | a_monkey | lol |
| 16:10.11 | RPG_ | type that into Private IP |
| 16:10.15 | a_monkey | ok |
| 16:10.22 | RPG_ | then "Apply" |
| 16:10.27 | a_monkey | ok |
| 16:10.33 | RPG_ | then do the same thing, except for UDP |
| 16:10.42 | RPG_ | and make sure "enable" is clicked |
| 16:11.04 | a_monkey | and the name can be the same? BZFS |
| 16:11.26 | RPG_ | make it bzfs udp |
| 16:11.51 | a_monkey | ok |
| 16:11.58 | RPG_ | "BZFS UDP" |
| 16:12.11 | a_monkey | ok i did it |
| 16:12.31 | a_monkey | should it work now? |
| 16:12.38 | RPG_ | almost |
| 16:12.44 | RPG_ | what's your WAN IP? |
| 16:13.16 | RPG_ | ~dns user-0can33s.cable.mindspring.com |
| 16:13.27 | RPG_ | does 24.171.140.124 sound right? |
| 16:13.33 | a_monkey | yes |
| 16:13.39 | RPG_ | now run your BZFLag server |
| 16:13.49 | a_monkey | ok |
| 16:13.50 | a_monkey | brb |
| 16:13.54 | RPG_ | ~bzfquery 24.171.140.124:5156 |
| 16:14.11 | a_monkey | wait |
| 16:14.15 | a_monkey | it's not running yet |
| 16:14.24 | a_monkey | ok now |
| 16:14.29 | RPG_ | ~bzfquery 24.171.140.124:5156 |
| 16:14.35 | RPG_ | HORRAY! |
| 16:14.37 | RPG_ | she's up! |
| 16:14.37 | a_monkey | yay |
| 16:14.40 | a_monkey | oh boy |
| 16:14.44 | RPG_ | feel the jouy |
| 16:14.45 | RPG_ | joy |
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| 16:14.56 | RPG_ | i'll come on there |
| 16:15.27 | RPG_ | ~bzfquery 24.171.140.124:5156 |
| 16:16.05 | a_monkey | yea come on with me |
| 16:16.10 | RPG_ | i am |
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| 16:26.12 | JeffM2501 | brlcad / learner what section of the carbon docs would I look up for info on functions that give me info about a windowRef? like how to get it's rect and stuff? |
| 16:37.51 | a_monkey | i don't think so JeffM2501 |
| 16:39.16 | JeffM2501 | how do you know |
| 16:39.34 | a_monkey | i don't know |
| 16:39.37 | a_monkey | i'm pretty sure |
| 16:39.46 | JeffM2501 | you are prety sure you don't know? |
| 16:40.54 | a_monkey | i'm pretty sure of what i think |
| 16:41.06 | JeffM2501 | what makes you prety sure? |
| 16:41.20 | a_monkey | hmm i dunno |
| 16:41.22 | a_monkey | lol |
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| 16:41.59 | a_monkey | well actually quickdraw is an old old thing. i knew that as a factoid |
| 16:42.10 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 16:42.17 | JeffM2501 | but that dosn't mean they could not update it |
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| 16:42.24 | JeffM2501 | it is still in the carbon API |
| 16:44.01 | a_monkey | iirc quickdraw was replaced with quartz |
| 16:45.31 | JeffM2501 | that's to draw stuff |
| 16:45.38 | JeffM2501 | I want the window dealies |
| 16:46.07 | a_monkey | hmm well don't ask me any more stuff. beyond knowing that quickdraw is old i don't know anything. :P |
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| 16:48.09 | brlcad | JeffM2501: heh, no not quickdraw |
| 16:48.34 | a_monkey | hmm |
| 16:48.46 | brlcad | there are several windowing interfaces |
| 16:48.49 | brlcad | CoreGraphics |
| 16:49.13 | a_monkey | ppl can only connect to my server via entering in my ip addr |
| 16:49.25 | a_monkey | not the actual public address |
| 16:49.34 | a_monkey | and my server doesn't appear in the server list. |
| 16:49.38 | a_monkey | what does this mean?> |
| 16:51.16 | JeffM2501 | what is your public address? |
| 16:52.07 | a_monkey | ducationice.kicks-ass.net |
| 16:52.10 | a_monkey | port 5156 |
| 16:52.16 | JeffM2501 | and what is your ip address? |
| 16:52.22 | a_monkey | 24.171.140.124:5156 |
| 16:52.30 | JeffM2501 | ibot nslookup ducationice.kicks-ass.net |
| 16:52.31 | a_monkey | oops |
| 16:52.38 | JeffM2501 | fix it |
| 16:52.45 | a_monkey | huh? |
| 16:52.46 | a_monkey | fix it/ |
| 16:52.46 | JeffM2501 | you set the domain to your LAN Ip |
| 16:52.53 | JeffM2501 | set the domain to your WAN Ip |
| 16:53.00 | JeffM2501 | you use dynadns? |
| 16:53.04 | a_monkey | yes |
| 16:53.07 | JeffM2501 | login to them |
| 16:53.10 | a_monkey | brb |
| 16:53.13 | JeffM2501 | and set the domain to the correct IP |
| 16:53.23 | JeffM2501 | your LAN ip will do players no good |
| 16:53.35 | Grumbler | heh |
| 16:54.18 | brlcad | JeffM2501: the carbon graphics interface is CGL |
| 16:54.20 | brlcad | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/GraphicsImaging/Reference/CGL_OpenGL/index.html |
| 16:54.45 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, not the GL stuff |
| 16:54.50 | JeffM2501 | I want info on the actual window |
| 16:54.53 | brlcad | you might be interested in http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Carbon/Conceptual/QuickDrawToQuartz2D/index.html |
| 16:54.58 | JeffM2501 | I have an AGL context working |
| 16:55.06 | JeffM2501 | but I want to know like how big the window is and stuff |
| 16:55.34 | gina | pffffff |
| 16:55.49 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I'm into the regular old event and window stuff now :) |
| 16:56.10 | gina | why am i experimenting with ipv8 |
| 16:56.11 | gina | :( |
| 16:56.17 | JeffM2501 | v8? |
| 16:56.20 | gina | yeah |
| 16:56.22 | JeffM2501 | that's a lot of Vs |
| 16:56.38 | gina | developing ipv8 for the year 3000 |
| 16:57.13 | gina | in octadecimal format ;) |
| 16:57.25 | JeffM2501 | sounds uber |
| 16:57.31 | gina | is uber |
| 16:58.18 | trepan | hehe, ate my 1G mem and 1G swap, spun-out for a while, and came back kickin' |
| 16:58.54 | JeffM2501 | that's prety damned uber |
| 16:59.04 | JeffM2501 | what tld? |
| 16:59.09 | gina | .gina |
| 16:59.43 | brlcad | JeffM2501: ahh, misunderstood then |
| 16:59.47 | JeffM2501 | what does one do with the TLD |
| 16:59.52 | brlcad | that'd be the Window Manager API calls |
| 16:59.55 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, understandable, I've only ever talked about GL :) |
| 16:59.56 | gina | conquer the world |
| 17:00.03 | brlcad | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Carbon/Reference/Window_Manager/index.html |
| 17:00.09 | brlcad | GetWindowBounds() |
| 17:00.32 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:00.44 | JeffM2501 | trying to figure out how to get menu events too |
| 17:00.59 | JeffM2501 | the "porting from win to OSX" doc sucks |
| 17:01.17 | brlcad | Menu Manager ;) |
| 17:01.20 | brlcad | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Carbon/Reference/Menu_Manager/index.html |
| 17:01.26 | a_monkey | i think i know what's wrong |
| 17:01.38 | brlcad | you can register callbacks |
| 17:01.45 | JeffM2501 | that's what I had a feeling |
| 17:01.57 | JeffM2501 | register callbacks for various event types, is the basic idea? |
| 17:01.58 | a_monkey | my dyndns updater app keeps updating to the LAN ip |
| 17:02.04 | a_monkey | i don't know why |
| 17:02.07 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, then your updateder is wrong |
| 17:02.08 | brlcad | JeffM2501: in Carbon, yes |
| 17:02.14 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, ok |
| 17:02.18 | gina | lol, you opened your lan to the internet JeffM2501 |
| 17:02.22 | brlcad | Cocoa's a whole different ball of goo |
| 17:02.28 | JeffM2501 | no cocoa |
| 17:02.32 | JeffM2501 | just carbon |
| 17:02.38 | JeffM2501 | it fits will with the windows way |
| 17:02.44 | JeffM2501 | and this app is cross plat |
| 17:02.54 | gina | mmm |
| 17:02.58 | gina | lol, you opened your lan to the internet a_monkey |
| 17:03.08 | JeffM2501 | quick haxorz him |
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| 17:38.50 | brlcad | mm... purdy |
| 17:38.51 | brlcad | http://www.dpreview.com/news/0508/05082209canoneos5d.asp |
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| 17:41.16 | Grumbler | brlcad, heh....what are you going to do with 12.5Megapixels.......print something for your wall :) |
| 17:46.08 | Grumbler | well that and i hope there will be something similar with CF compatibility.......too much invested there |
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| 17:53.03 | riksha | nonii |
| 17:53.07 | riksha | hi |
| 17:53.59 | brlcad | Grumbler: 12 is about a 5' square image at 600dpi printing |
| 17:54.32 | brlcad | most photo-quality printers cap out around 300 dpi, so 10-12 becomes perfect for 8x10 printing |
| 17:55.13 | brlcad | (even the "4800dpi" HP inkers are about 250 effective) |
| 17:56.30 | Grumbler | hence, my why 12?.......unless you have access to some industrial stuff |
| 17:56.38 | brlcad | fuji makes a great photo printer |
| 17:56.40 | Grumbler | ah, answered |
| 17:56.50 | brlcad | but it costs around 100k |
| 17:57.08 | Grumbler | you could pick that up at a day at the track |
| 17:57.22 | Grumbler | :) |
| 17:57.32 | brlcad | pimlico here I come |
| 17:57.44 | brlcad | preakness is soon, isn't it |
| 17:58.00 | Grumbler | yeah, soon ,next year |
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| 17:58.32 | Grumbler | never been, but the description of the center yard party sounds a little much for me |
| 17:59.37 | Grumbler | a friend of mine lost her.....cough, cough....undies..........never did get out of her why |
| 18:00.39 | Grumbler | another friend was thrown up on.........its one step closer to hedenism |
| 18:00.47 | Grumbler | ~spell hedenism |
| 18:01.05 | brlcad | hehe |
| 18:01.22 | brlcad | hmm.. :) |
| 18:01.39 | Grumbler | hey, just post pictures |
| 18:01.43 | Grumbler | :) |
| 18:02.12 | brlcad | =) |
| 18:02.40 | Grumbler | i wonder if that 12M has noise problems....or if it is so large that you dont notice for standard pics |
| 18:11.02 | SportyGal | !weather 90277 |
| 18:11.05 | TheLastSpartan | SportyGal: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 72°F (10:50 AM PDT on August 23, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 63°F. Pressure: 29.88 in (1012 hPa). Visibility: 4.0 miles (6.4 kilometers). UV: 5 out of 16 |
| 18:14.27 | ToughShooter | I tried to use OpenGL from within python (purpose bzw editor) but py-opengl doesn't work. Installing of it just fails |
| 18:16.52 | blast007 | swing, as in Java? or is there a Python thing called that too? |
| 18:16.55 | brlcad | ToughShooter: try pygame |
| 18:17.13 | brlcad | that includes opengl contexts |
| 18:17.18 | brlcad | that's what pybzedit used |
| 18:17.28 | brlcad | or just fix pybzedit :P |
| 18:18.18 | ToughShooter | Hmm, but pybzedit lists py-opengl as requirement (which doesn't compile for me with gcc4 and gcc3.3 on Mac OS X version 10.4) |
| 18:18.27 | brlcad | huh? |
| 18:18.33 | brlcad | it's a double-click installer on os x |
| 18:18.50 | brlcad | i ran it in 10.2 days |
| 18:19.02 | brlcad | no compiling required |
| 18:19.24 | ToughShooter | Refering to what? py-opengl? |
| 18:19.58 | ToughShooter | py-opengl worked for me until I had 10.4 |
| 18:20.01 | brlcad | install the pygame package, and it'll install all the subpackages you need too |
| 18:20.56 | ToughShooter | via darwinports or by hand? |
| 18:21.16 | JeffM2501 | it's just a thing you download and double click |
| 18:21.19 | brlcad | it's an _Installer_ package |
| 18:21.29 | brlcad | google for it |
| 18:22.19 | JeffM2501 | damn G3's are heavy |
| 18:22.43 | Grumbler | scary that the word "search" is getting replaced with "google" |
| 18:23.08 | ToughShooter | I searched for pygame but there was no dmg |
| 18:24.20 | JeffM2501 | thre is one for python 2.4.1 |
| 18:24.49 | JeffM2501 | ooo framework builds even, nice |
| 18:24.54 | brlcad | Grumbler: yeah, I read a nice article about that recently |
| 18:27.33 | brlcad | well, i'm telling you it's out there -- i"ve used it ;) |
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| 18:28.57 | ToughShooter | I only found stuff for 10.2...not what I was searching for |
| 18:29.08 | JeffM2501 | then you arn't searching right |
| 18:29.16 | JeffM2501 | the info is out there |
| 18:29.22 | JeffM2501 | use the power that is given you |
| 18:30.12 | ToughShooter | Ok, I stop whining and search more |
| 18:31.08 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/8Mtris.jpg (radar and shadows @ ~190fps on GF3) |
| 18:32.46 | brlcad | how the heck you get 8M at 200FPS? |
| 18:32.48 | brlcad | lod? |
| 18:33.08 | JeffM2501 | you do it right :) |
| 18:33.10 | trepan | yup, lod + tristripping + display lists |
| 18:33.27 | trepan | vbos hooked in to, dl's faster for me |
| 18:33.32 | trepan | s/to/too |
| 18:33.36 | brlcad | view indep. progressive or roam? |
| 18:34.16 | trepan | roam? |
| 18:34.26 | JeffM2501 | roam is a terrain thing |
| 18:34.38 | trepan | precomputed |
| 18:34.49 | JeffM2501 | that's how quake3 did it |
| 18:34.54 | trepan | heh, worst then that, stuck into the bzw... raw |
| 18:34.59 | trepan | bzw format that is |
| 18:35.07 | JeffM2501 | couple of LOD levels in the mesh |
| 18:35.12 | JeffM2501 | worke dout well |
| 18:35.18 | trepan | you can even pick the gl draw mode, tristrip, points, lineloop, quads, etc... |
| 18:35.20 | JeffM2501 | make files larger, but ran well on most systems |
| 18:35.23 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:35.26 | brlcad | ROAM is the author's name for the technique, traditional view-indep level of detail |
| 18:35.37 | trepan | and no precalcs client side, fast loads |
| 18:35.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:35.49 | trepan | brlcad: heh, shoulda remembered, read it once |
| 18:35.50 | JeffM2501 | some meshes just don't need LOD ether |
| 18:36.37 | trepan | all configurable, transition distances, use of dlist per lod per material, etc... |
| 18:37.20 | trepan | was gonna add a dynamic matrix rotation for kicks, inspired by some crappy WoW stuff I've seen |
| 18:38.47 | brlcad | it is view independent, yes? |
| 18:39.12 | JeffM2501 | when did you start playing WoW? |
| 18:39.25 | trepan | JeffM2501: played it once, watched it twice |
| 18:39.29 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:39.32 | brlcad | that's pretty cool :) |
| 18:39.34 | trepan | was surprised by the amount of popping i saw |
| 18:39.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's anoying |
| 18:39.52 | trepan | brlcad: view independent? |
| 18:39.53 | Tupone | brlcad: run in 10.2 days? Pretty slow then |
| 18:39.55 | JeffM2501 | there are controlls for it |
| 18:40.05 | brlcad | Tupone: it was actually quite fine |
| 18:40.20 | brlcad | trepan: the levels of detail aren't computed based on a viewpoint, but are fixed |
| 18:40.22 | Tupone | 10.2 days per frame? |
| 18:40.34 | brlcad | ahh, heh |
| 18:40.59 | trepan | the lods are static, and selected based on the distance from the eye (or radar scale, or skewed for shadows) |
| 18:41.02 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:41.07 | brlcad | hmm |
| 18:41.09 | blast007 | just a note..the cURL link in README.DEVC++ is dead |
| 18:41.12 | brlcad | i shoud render bz's code |
| 18:42.26 | Tupone | blast007: why you don't update that ? |
| 18:43.32 | blast007 | I'm not a dev |
| 18:43.46 | brlcad | but you have commit access :) |
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| 18:43.55 | blast007 | do I? |
| 18:44.01 | brlcad | con't you? |
| 18:44.05 | brlcad | s/c/d/ |
| 18:44.08 | blast007 | not that I'm aware of |
| 18:46.12 | brlcad | TimRiker: *ping* |
| 18:47.20 | brlcad | if it were only that easy every time |
| 18:47.32 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:47.33 | blast007 | lol |
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| 18:58.45 | ToughShooter | Wow, now the pybzedit mysteriously works |
| 19:00.03 | blast007 | ToughShooter: probably those darn technology gremlins ;) |
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| 19:01.28 | Grumbler | its probably not a good thing that cygwin took my makefile and went out to lunch |
| 19:01.58 | Grumbler | ToughShooter, get rid of the smoke trails....that kills off a few gremlins |
| 19:02.32 | Grumbler | SLRs are the only digital that make it worthwhile |
| 19:02.39 | blast007 | yeah |
| 19:03.05 | blast007 | I recall trying to take pictures of our dogs with a regular digital... |
| 19:03.19 | blast007 | by the time it takes it, they have moved from where they were :) |
| 19:03.57 | Grumbler | yep, my problem as well |
| 19:04.15 | Grumbler | hence my eye'ing of the D50... |
| 19:04.29 | Grumbler | she is fast |
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| 19:15.43 | ToughShooter | Grumbler: nope |
| 19:16.37 | Grumbler | bummer, that "had" made things faster for me in the past |
| 19:17.26 | ToughShooter | I already have deactivated the smoke effect for GM, still same drop from 67 to 60FPS in average (I get drops from 89 to 70 usually without anyflag when I simply change viewing direction without having any jitter) |
| 19:18.10 | ToughShooter | computers, brrr |
| 19:19.34 | Grumbler | and i assume you have tried turning off shadows |
| 19:20.22 | Grumbler | as well as playing with all the other settings.......... |
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| 19:26.05 | ToughShooter | nyes |
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| 19:48.33 | uso_w | hi |
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| 19:48.38 | CBG | hi |
| 19:50.22 | uso_w | the compare operators for the zTank position in RadarRenderer::colorScale should be ">" instead of ">=" and "<" instead of "<=" |
| 19:50.54 | uso_w | as these functions are probably called often this may give a minimal speedup |
| 19:51.05 | uso_w | same in transScale |
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| 19:53.18 | uso_w | if anybody with cvs access could change this, is not worth a patch |
| 19:53.27 | RPG_ | what? |
| 19:53.31 | RPG_ | it could be patch-worthy |
| 19:53.56 | uso_w | the compare operators for the zTank position in RadarRenderer::colorScale should be ">" instead of ">=" and "<" instead of "<=" |
| 19:54.15 | JeffM2501 | what is the effect of the problem? |
| 19:54.51 | uso_w | dont change behaviour but safe some calculations |
| 19:55.00 | JeffM2501 | safe? |
| 19:56.14 | uso_w | need not run through the if case in case of equal values |
| 19:56.26 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 19:56.30 | JeffM2501 | save |
| 19:56.41 | uso_w | as the result woul;d either be 1.0 |
| 19:56.41 | JeffM2501 | file and lines? |
| 19:56.48 | uso_w | RadarRenderer.cxx |
| 19:56.58 | uso_w | function RadarRenderer::colorScale |
| 19:57.13 | uso_w | zTank >= (z + h) |
| 19:57.35 | uso_w | same just below in transScale |
| 19:57.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus it would hit the else |
| 19:57.57 | uso_w | yup |
| 19:58.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/RadarRenderer.cxx: don't compute it if you don't need it. |
| 19:58.49 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 19:58.51 | uso_w | fast :) |
| 19:59.00 | JeffM2501 | it's not rocket science, it's just cvs |
| 20:02.55 | uso_w | do you have also replaced the "<=" in: if (zTank <= z) ? |
| 20:03.03 | uso_w | have to wait for cvs to check it ;) |
| 20:03.11 | uso_w | anon cvs |
| 20:04.17 | JeffM2501 | I did it in 2 places |
| 20:04.36 | JeffM2501 | the 2 ifs that used zTank in that mentod |
| 20:04.56 | JeffM2501 | it can take up to 5 hours for dev cvs to sync to anon cvs |
| 20:05.22 | uso_w | ok, and 2 places also in transScale |
| 20:05.38 | uso_w | i know, anaon cvs sync slow |
| 20:05.41 | uso_w | *is |
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| 20:06.23 | RPG1 | read error |
| 20:06.35 | JeffM2501 | write error |
| 20:06.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/RadarRenderer.cxx: don't compute it if you don't need it. |
| 20:06.55 | JeffM2501 | usoit's not slow, it just only syncs every 5 hours, it's just what it does. |
| 20:08.48 | RPG_ | when the client is downloading textures, does it ever know how many textures it must download, or does it just keep downloading until it can't find any more? |
| 20:12.39 | JeffM2501 | the map tells it what files to download |
| 20:12.47 | JeffM2501 | or he could quit |
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| 20:13.43 | JeffM2501 | the map tells it what files to download |
| 20:14.01 | JeffM2501 | then for each file the cache manager sees if it has it |
| 20:14.04 | JeffM2501 | if it does not |
| 20:14.06 | JeffM2501 | it downolads it |
| 20:14.43 | RPG_ | just thought of adding a "Downloading texture (%i of %i)" |
| 20:14.53 | JeffM2501 | you could |
| 20:14.58 | JeffM2501 | tho it may skip thru some fast |
| 20:15.01 | JeffM2501 | as they are cached |
| 20:19.08 | uso_w | and it may not be very useful as a measure to predict how long download will take |
| 20:20.06 | RPG_ | I changed "texture Downloading : bytes" to "Texture Downloading : kilobytes", and right now, it jumps from 1 KB to 2 KB back to 1 KB then to 2 KB, it's really downloading 2 textures, but it looks like it's just possessed |
| 20:20.06 | uso_w | maybe "Downloading texture <url>" would be more informative |
| 20:20.14 | RPG_ | it already sayd that in the console |
| 20:20.34 | uso_w | never looked at it :) |
| 20:20.57 | uso_w | although i seldom log into such servers |
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| 20:21.41 | JeffM2501 | is there a problem with the current system? |
| 20:22.24 | RPG_ | it just tells you how many bytes of each texture it donloaded |
| 20:22.32 | RPG_ | KB's are more useful to put into perspective |
| 20:22.50 | JeffM2501 | and is it a problem that people see it in bytes? |
| 20:22.53 | JeffM2501 | K is easy |
| 20:22.58 | JeffM2501 | div by 1024 |
| 20:23.02 | RPG_ | just divide by 10224 |
| 20:26.06 | uso_w | is there a reason why my shots and world weapon shots are always drawn dependend on the z distance to my tank but shots of other tanks only if coloredradarhots is true? |
| 20:28.37 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, because somone did it that way |
| 20:29.01 | uso_w | clearly :) |
| 20:29.33 | uso_w | but i was looking for a non obviuos reason ;) |
| 20:30.19 | JeffM2501 | because they wanted it that way |
| 20:30.47 | JeffM2501 | there isn't any sort of logical design doc that will answer your question. |
| 20:30.54 | JeffM2501 | so all you will get is the obvious |
| 20:35.22 | uso_w | the complete coloring of the shots isn't that obvious ;) |
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| 20:36.41 | uso_w | does a tank have hit zones or does it's full size count? |
| 20:37.21 | Chestal | the hityone is circular |
| 20:37.29 | Chestal | in 2D that is, I am not concerned with 3rd dimension :-) |
| 20:38.31 | Chestal | e.g. http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/files/fanta.png |
| 20:39.32 | uso_w | z direction would be interesting, as ground to muzzleheight is greater than tankheight to muzzleheight |
| 20:40.04 | uso_w | which conformes to my experience in mostly loose if jumping from below |
| 20:40.18 | uso_w | but this also may have very dirrerent reasons ;)) |
| 20:40.30 | uso_w | different |
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| 20:42.49 | uso_w | Chestal: oh, what's this? is it dynamic for replay analysis or server side checks? |
| 20:43.25 | Chestal | it's a small utility I wrote (converted from an existing app of mine) I wrote to display a very simple log file for a posteriori analysis |
| 20:43.40 | uso_w | nice |
| 20:44.33 | Chestal | guess I could polish it a bit one day and put it up in the patches section or somewhere |
| 20:44.58 | uso_w | yeah, would be great |
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| 20:46.26 | uso_w | so the 2D hit zone is the _tankRadius ? |
| 20:47.07 | I_Died_Once | woot |
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| 20:47.45 | I_Died_Once | OMFG LOL WTF!!11!one11!!1 |
| 20:48.50 | RPG_ | gotcha |
| 20:49.14 | I_Died_Once | Sorry, I saw that elsewhere and it was funny |
| 20:49.24 | JeffM2501 | sure it was |
| 20:49.28 | I_Died_Once | its the !!11!one11!! |
| 20:49.39 | RPG_ | righto |
| 20:49.39 | _Manu_ | hi you died once :) |
| 20:49.41 | JeffM2501 | uhhhh huhh |
| 20:49.53 | I_Died_Once | Wassup people |
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| 20:50.11 | RPG_ | i_died_once, when the raceto7 pugin crashes, are any other plugins running? |
| 20:50.23 | RPG_ | 'cause i got rid of the bz_resetPlayerScore lines |
| 20:50.25 | Chestal | uso_w: yes, tankRadius |
| 20:50.27 | RPG_ | the ones i thought were crashing it |
| 20:50.48 | brad2901 | RPG_: Your plugin doesn't work with b16 |
| 20:51.00 | RPG_ | i now |
| 20:51.04 | RPG_ | grab a beta 4 from the BZBB |
| 20:51.05 | brad2901 | oh.. ok :) |
| 20:51.07 | I_Died_Once | ~bzfquery 69.136.41.111:4200 |
| 20:51.09 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, just so you know, we probably won't be able to reset player scores |
| 20:51.11 | brad2901 | I already have beta 4 |
| 20:51.15 | brad2901 | you sent it to me |
| 20:51.18 | RPG_ | JeffM2501: not even in the future? |
| 20:51.24 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 20:51.28 | JeffM2501 | just not for this release |
| 20:51.30 | I_Died_Once | Yeah, are my core dumps doing anyhting good? |
| 20:51.33 | RPG_ | brad: that was an earlier 4 |
| 20:51.37 | brad2901 | heh |
| 20:51.37 | brad2901 | ok |
| 20:51.42 | RPG_ | it only had 1/2 of the features the real 4 hsa |
| 20:51.43 | JeffM2501 | the client just dosn't know what to do with it |
| 20:52.01 | I_Died_Once | I'll TELL it what it can do with it, alright... |
| 20:52.06 | JeffM2501 | at the best only 2.0.4 clients would get reset |
| 20:52.19 | I_Died_Once | That'd be doable |
| 20:52.31 | I_Died_Once | Servers owners should be able to reset scores |
| 20:52.43 | RPG_ | does scorereset come to mind? |
| 20:52.46 | I_Died_Once | nbut only all acores, and no option of choosing which scores to reset |
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| 20:52.56 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, what? |
| 20:53.00 | RPG_ | I_Died_Once: scorereset.so |
| 20:53.03 | JeffM2501 | scorereset will mostly likely be pulled |
| 20:53.06 | JeffM2501 | it is BAD |
| 20:53.07 | RPG_ | awwwww |
| 20:53.12 | I_Died_Once | noooo Jeff |
| 20:53.13 | JeffM2501 | it crashes things |
| 20:53.19 | I_Died_Once | It needs spit shining |
| 20:53.21 | JeffM2501 | and the client dosn't actualy get it's score reset |
| 20:53.24 | RPG_ | heh |
| 20:53.34 | I_Died_Once | it needs revamping |
| 20:53.37 | I_Died_Once | how about... |
| 20:53.38 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, no amount of shine can change code that is allrady out int eh field |
| 20:53.42 | I_Died_Once | in the spirit of open source |
| 20:53.44 | JeffM2501 | the client needs to be redone |
| 20:53.54 | JeffM2501 | I can't change the past |
| 20:54.05 | I_Died_Once | post the sode itself and see if someone else wants to take over the project? |
| 20:54.18 | RPG_ | JeffM2501: you can, BRANCH |
| 20:54.18 | JeffM2501 | currently clietns will not reset there own score if they get a score set message |
| 20:54.27 | I_Died_Once | Look, I almost spell as bad as Jaff does |
| 20:54.33 | I_Died_Once | **Jeff |
| 20:54.36 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, IT'S NOT THE CODE FPR THE PLUGIN, DO YOU EVER FREAKING READ! |
| 20:54.50 | JeffM2501 | I mean damn |
| 20:55.08 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, a branch still dosn't solve it, I need all the clients to get new code |
| 20:55.16 | JeffM2501 | it is the client that is wrong |
| 20:55.18 | RPG_ | it was a slight joke |
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| 20:56.07 | JeffM2501 | at best I can make the 2.0.4 clients set there own scores, but if anyone is using a older one |
| 20:56.13 | JeffM2501 | badgerking, dude use /msg.. ok |
| 20:56.33 | RPG_ | is bz_resetPlayerScore the function that causes the stack to collapse? |
| 20:56.34 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, so I am thinking what is the point in adding a feature that dosn't work for everyone? |
| 20:56.41 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, it does many things |
| 20:56.49 | JeffM2501 | it screws up clietns and servers |
| 20:57.19 | JeffM2501 | untill I can be sure that the clients wont' send back bad data, I don't know if I can keep the feature there |
| 20:58.40 | JeffM2501 | I've banged on it for days |
| 21:02.31 | JeffM2501 | I am going to try some more when I get time tho |
| 21:03.06 | JeffM2501 | may convert it to a new message that only new clients understand |
| 21:03.15 | JeffM2501 | that way it dosn't go thru the old buggy code. |
| 21:03.29 | JeffM2501 | on the old clients |
| 21:03.42 | JeffM2501 | but then it still has limited usefullness, since it dosn't work for everyone |
| 21:08.34 | I_Died_Once | ... |
| 21:08.40 | I_Died_Once | I Like bacon |
| 21:10.15 | I_Died_Once | Well, I say don't give up on the plugin. Shelf it until there is a forced upgrade, but go ahead and note the needed change in the code |
| 21:10.36 | I_Died_Once | Blah |
| 21:13.36 | JeffM2501 | problem is if I include it, people will use it |
| 21:13.41 | JeffM2501 | and it will cause them problems |
| 21:13.44 | JeffM2501 | people don't read |
| 21:13.55 | JeffM2501 | the plugin part of it is butt simple |
| 21:14.36 | JeffM2501 | I just need to get 2 functioning test systems |
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| 21:14.46 | JeffM2501 | 3 would be best |
| 21:14.56 | JeffM2501 | wonder if I can set up the lapy tonight |
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| 21:26.43 | bone_idol | hi.. i'm trying to compile bzflag on SuSE 9.3 and get |
| 21:27.00 | bone_idol | /usr/lib/libSDL.a(SDL_alsa_audio.o)(.text+0x194): In function `ALSA_CloseAudio': |
| 21:27.01 | bone_idol | SDL_alsa_audio.c: undefined reference to `snd_pcm_drain' |
| 21:27.24 | bone_idol | and then lots more errors |
| 21:27.33 | bone_idol | of a similar type |
| 21:28.16 | bone_idol | anybody got any clue to throw this way ;-) ? |
| 21:28.57 | bone_idol | PS it worked fine on SuSe 9.2 |
| 21:29.04 | JeffM2501 | your sdl is not right |
| 21:29.15 | JeffM2501 | did you upgrade or rebuild your sdl when you ugraded suse? |
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| 21:39.10 | bone_idol | .. er......the upgrade should have done that.. but it did have some problems |
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| 21:40.22 | bone_idol | JeffM2501: I'll reinstall the SDL -devel rpms and take it from there |
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| 21:54.29 | RPG_ | Opa1 |
| 21:54.37 | RPG_ | patch completed |
| 21:56.59 | JeffM2501 | patch? |
| 21:57.04 | RPG_ | yes |
| 21:57.21 | RPG_ | the one that shows how many textures need to be downloaded, and how many are downloaded, and the texture size in KB |
| 21:57.32 | JeffM2501 | how many lines? |
| 21:57.55 | RPG_ | +14 -1 |
| 21:58.11 | JeffM2501 | mail me the changes and I'll apply it |
| 21:58.15 | RPG_ | not SF? |
| 21:58.17 | JeffM2501 | I don't have the ability to do patches |
| 21:58.26 | JeffM2501 | why SF when I'm just gonna do it |
| 21:58.43 | RPG_ | heh |
| 21:59.16 | RPG_ | then do you want the official .patch file, or should i just give you the function before and after i edited it? |
| 21:59.36 | JeffM2501 | before and after is fine, if it's one func |
| 22:03.11 | RPG_ | it's off |
| 22:18.35 | JeffM2501 | whoa there skip |
| 22:18.37 | JeffM2501 | globals? |
| 22:18.48 | RPG_ | me? |
| 22:18.57 | JeffM2501 | int totalTex; |
| 22:18.57 | JeffM2501 | int currentTex; |
| 22:18.57 | JeffM2501 | int runs = 0; |
| 22:19.01 | JeffM2501 | outside the method |
| 22:19.19 | RPG_ | if i put them in the function, each time it ran, wouldn't it redefine the variables? |
| 22:19.26 | RPG_ | 'cause it runs more than once |
| 22:19.29 | JeffM2501 | put them in the class |
| 22:19.34 | JeffM2501 | that is NOT a function |
| 22:19.38 | JeffM2501 | that is a method in a class |
| 22:19.38 | RPG_ | oh |
| 22:19.43 | JeffM2501 | there could be more then one of them |
| 22:20.02 | JeffM2501 | oh it's a namespace |
| 22:20.03 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 22:20.18 | RPG_ | can you move them? |
| 22:20.22 | JeffM2501 | you want them static |
| 22:20.26 | JeffM2501 | I'll fix it |
| 22:25.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (ChangeLog src/bzflag/Downloads.cxx): more download info patch from Garrett Padera |
| 22:25.40 | JeffM2501 | what is a server that has many texutures? |
| 22:25.49 | RPG_ | Louman's metropolis |
| 22:25.55 | RPG_ | on about page 3 of the list server |
| 22:26.26 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (n=wizart@dsl-084-058-141-199.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:26.51 | Pimpi | does it have that many textures? |
| 22:27.05 | Pimpi | some, but used many times |
| 22:27.36 | RPG_ | 8 |
| 22:27.40 | JeffM2501 | can't connect anywhere, get errors |
| 22:27.44 | JeffM2501 | they are working on firewall |
| 22:27.47 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to test it |
| 22:27.49 | RPG_ | mine runs fine |
| 22:27.51 | RPG_ | yep |
| 22:28.23 | JeffM2501 | oh that's right all the 51xx's are blocked now |
| 22:28.33 | RPG_ | heh, 'cause of you? |
| 22:28.37 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 22:28.45 | JeffM2501 | we blocked all ports execpt the ones we know |
| 22:28.50 | RPG_ | oh |
| 22:28.58 | JeffM2501 | because of a VP with a P2P addiction problem |
| 22:29.36 | RPG_ | i'll take a screenie |
| 22:30.34 | JeffM2501 | the point was to test my implementation of the code |
| 22:30.37 | JeffM2501 | not your code |
| 22:30.41 | JeffM2501 | they vary slightly |
| 22:31.30 | brad2901 | "bzfscron: crontab nonexistant or invalid" |
| 22:31.41 | brad2901 | how do I fix that?:) |
| 22:31.43 | RPG_ | for everyone else, here's what it looks like: |
| 22:31.43 | RPG_ | http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bzfi00010hj.png |
| 22:31.48 | RPG_ | you bug DTR |
| 22:32.02 | RPG_ | or you have an invalid crontab |
| 22:32.03 | brad2901 | it works on port 5155, but not 5154 |
| 22:32.14 | brad2901 | can 2 be running at the same time? |
| 22:32.55 | brad2901 | that link timed out |
| 22:33.06 | RPG_ | it's a plblic image host |
| 22:33.09 | RPG_ | try again |
| 22:33.12 | brad2901 | I have |
| 22:33.16 | brad2901 | still no |
| 22:33.22 | RPG_ | mnnh, worked for me |
| 22:33.35 | RPG_ | http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3267/bzfi00010hj.png |
| 22:33.36 | brad2901 | imageshack.us works fine |
| 22:33.43 | JeffM2501 | imageshack sucks |
| 22:33.51 | RPG_ | i agree |
| 22:33.53 | RPG_ | but it's free |
| 22:34.05 | JeffM2501 | free is not allways good |
| 22:34.21 | RPG_ | but when I need a plublic image host, it's there |
| 22:34.36 | JeffM2501 | not allways |
| 22:34.39 | JeffM2501 | and there are other ways |
| 22:34.44 | JeffM2501 | you just have to be smart about it :) |
| 22:37.43 | RPG_ | JeffM2501: you can delete the BZBB group "RPG.COPS" as it will no longer be used |
| 22:40.20 | RPG_ | also, Lady K talked to me on secretlpace last night, and somehow she got into the MoFo.STFU group |
| 22:40.33 | RPG_ | and she really doesn't want to be in there |
| 22:44.15 | *** join/#bzflag tango_ (n=nome@host-84-220-48-30.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 22:47.37 | JeffM2501 | anyone can remove themselves from there group |
| 22:47.43 | JeffM2501 | but I can do it too |
| 22:47.50 | JeffM2501 | what is her full bzbb name |
| 22:48.22 | JeffM2501 | I'm about feed up with the mofos too |
| 22:49.31 | JeffM2501 | done and done |
| 22:51.00 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:51.22 | JeffM2501 | just to shut em up |
| 22:52.17 | JeffM2501 | is libtool still the question? |
| 22:52.29 | JeffM2501 | or it it the answer |
| 22:52.30 | learner | no, I'd/I'll just do it |
| 22:53.05 | learner | it's more of a "I know if will take X hours" and then getting that X |
| 22:53.38 | learner | where in this case X is probably like 2 |
| 22:54.01 | JeffM2501 | I know the feeling |
| 22:54.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/scorereset/ (5 files): byebye score reset, it was nice knowing you. Maybe we will see you later when you work again |
| 22:54.30 | learner | actually more like in front of it, I suppose |
| 22:54.57 | JeffM2501 | that why you came home early? |
| 22:56.28 | learner | why.. of .. course .. |
| 23:01.02 | learner | wasn't being as productive as I liked, so why hang around there |
| 23:01.18 | learner | TimRiker: *ping* |
| 23:11.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h plugins/doc/functions.html): remove exposure of API for seting player scores because it's buggy as HELL |
| 23:11.54 | JeffM2501 | blast007, did XL die? |
| 23:13.13 | RPG_ | sounded like a good concept, too |
| 23:14.05 | JeffM2501 | the name was probably cursed |
| 23:14.08 | JeffM2501 | the first XL died too |
| 23:14.23 | RPG_ | there was more than 1? |
| 23:14.30 | JeffM2501 | there was |
| 23:14.55 | blast007 | yeah, I stopped with XL |
| 23:15.53 | JeffM2501 | how far did you get with it? |
| 23:15.58 | JeffM2501 | just the view and hud stuff? |
| 23:16.05 | JeffM2501 | at least yours was compatatable |
| 23:17.19 | JeffM2501 | tho mine was not by design |
| 23:17.24 | blast007 | I had your GM model patch in there too |
| 23:17.26 | JeffM2501 | too bad the poop mines never worked |
| 23:17.27 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:17.28 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:17.36 | JeffM2501 | ahh the good old GM missle |
| 23:17.41 | blast007 | fixed a few thing with the textures on it too |
| 23:17.51 | JeffM2501 | that was one crapy model |
| 23:17.56 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:18.14 | blast007 | the happy face on the texture was cool though |
| 23:18.29 | blast007 | last thing you saw, before your death, was a smile ;) |
| 23:18.33 | JeffM2501 | I wanted it to say stuff like "open wide" on the side and stuff |
| 23:18.40 | blast007 | hehe |
| 23:19.46 | JeffM2501 | like the grenades in halo that said "I refute thee" |
| 23:24.50 | JeffM2501 | wonder how many little bzflag side versions there have been in the past |
| 23:26.30 | blast007 | somewhere I saved a copy of the old XL site...just hope it wasn't on that drive that died :/ |
| 23:28.55 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:29.02 | JeffM2501 | I don't have my old XL site anywhere I don't think |
| 23:29.06 | JeffM2501 | or the BZA site |
| 23:29.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh the clouds |
| 23:29.49 | RPG_ | ~BZA |
| 23:29.56 | RPG_ | it's that old? |
| 23:30.02 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:30.02 | RPG_ | not even ibot can remember it? |
| 23:30.10 | JeffM2501 | BZFlag Arena |
| 23:30.15 | JeffM2501 | ibot know not much |
| 23:30.19 | JeffM2501 | ibot firestarter? |
| 23:30.21 | ibot | I am the firestarter!, or http://firestarter.sourceforge.net/, or http://navi.cs.colorado.edu/svn/misc/trunk/firestarter/, or http://bzflag.org/firestarter |
| 23:30.37 | RPG_ | ~BZA is BZFlag Arena, put to death quite a few years ago |
| 23:30.39 | ibot | RPG_: okay |
| 23:30.46 | JeffM2501 | ibot bzflag extreem |
| 23:30.55 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, it's not dead, I ahve the code right here |
| 23:31.13 | RPG_ | ~BZA is BZFlag Arena, and JEFF HAS THE CODE! |
| 23:31.14 | ibot | ...but bza is already something else... |
| 23:31.19 | RPG_ | ~forget BZA |
| 23:31.19 | ibot | i forgot bza, RPG_ |
| 23:32.40 | blast007 | wow, the bzflagxl.tk domain still exists... |
| 23:32.47 | JeffM2501 | http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/clouds2.jpg |
| 23:33.38 | RPG_ | that's a nice HUD |
| 23:33.53 | JeffM2501 | the first person view made it round |
| 23:35.33 | JeffM2501 | and the wicked old screamers pod |
| 23:35.34 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 23:36.46 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
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| 23:49.41 | bz4152 | can someone help me with Server setup |
| 23:50.21 | bz4152 | my server cannot find the config file |
| 23:50.28 | bz4152 | can anyone help me |
| 23:50.35 | JeffM2501 | where did you tell it the config was? |
| 23:50.51 | bz4152 | hold on |
| 23:51.11 | bz4152 | "C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.2\bzfs.exe" -conf "E:\Home\jimmy\bzfs-conf.bz" |
| 23:51.29 | bz4152 | "C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.2\bzfs.exe" -conf "E:\Home\jimmy\bzfs-conf.txt" (also) |
| 23:51.35 | JeffM2501 | and is there a file called bzfs-conf.bz in that at folder ? |
| 23:51.36 | bz4152 | both real file names |
| 23:51.40 | bz4152 | yes |
| 23:51.51 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 23:51.52 | blast007 | is it hiding the file extension? |
| 23:51.58 | bz4152 | i am a knowledgable person in both Windows and Linux |
| 23:52.01 | bz4152 | I am on WIndows |
| 23:52.13 | bz4152 | caz can't compile on Linux for the time being |
| 23:52.15 | JeffM2501 | what version of windows? and are you hiding the file extenstions of known files |
| 23:52.19 | JeffM2501 | what version of windows? |
| 23:52.22 | bz4152 | XP pro |
| 23:52.25 | JeffM2501 | ok there we go |
| 23:52.37 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:52.41 | bz4152 | yes? |
| 23:52.45 | JeffM2501 | if you hit properties on the file |
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| 23:52.48 | bz4152 | it will pick up world files |
| 23:52.54 | bz4152 | nono i know how to do that |
| 23:52.57 | bz1395 | is there a linux version out for bflag |
| 23:53.13 | bz4152 | ya but don't feel like compiling |
| 23:53.15 | JeffM2501 | whoa 2 of you |
| 23:53.24 | bz4152 | ?? |
| 23:53.32 | JeffM2501 | bz4152 2 lazy CGI users :) |
| 23:53.47 | JeffM2501 | basiclymake sure the file really is named what you think, and that you are not hiding known file extensions |
| 23:54.06 | bz4152 | i compy the location out fo the address bar |
| 23:54.21 | JeffM2501 | if your XP is set to hide the extensions it may not show it in the addy bar |
| 23:54.21 | bz4152 | it will pick up worlds if i type "-world "[location"" |
| 23:54.33 | JeffM2501 | the file may be really named bzflag-conf.bz.txt |
| 23:54.47 | JeffM2501 | you tell it where the files are in the world option |
| 23:54.49 | JeffM2501 | full path |
| 23:54.51 | bz4152 | i will check hang on |
| 23:55.10 | bz4152 | bzfs-conf.txt |
| 23:55.14 | bz4152 | not extra |
| 23:55.19 | bz4152 | i had file extention on show |
| 23:55.22 | bz4152 | i just don't get it |
| 23:55.30 | bz4152 | i tried it on another box and same thing |
| 23:55.35 | bz4152 | but i can run a VAR file |
| 23:55.38 | bz4152 | with the same name |
| 23:55.43 | bz4152 | EXACT and same location |
| 23:55.54 | bz4152 | i was wondering i need to set something else up |
| 23:55.57 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 23:56.02 | bz4152 | hmmm |
| 23:56.04 | JeffM2501 | the command line tells it where to look |
| 23:56.07 | JeffM2501 | and we just try to open it |
| 23:56.16 | bz4152 | makes sense |
| 23:56.17 | JeffM2501 | if it fails for any reason it'll say it can't find it |
| 23:56.23 | JeffM2501 | is the file still open in an editor? |
| 23:56.27 | bz4152 | does it work on linux better |
| 23:56.29 | bz4152 | no! |
| 23:56.38 | bz4152 | i restarted |
| 23:57.08 | bz4152 | ... |
| 23:57.15 | bz4152 | u still ther? |
| 23:57.17 | JeffM2501 | server wise linux is a better server platform |
| 23:57.22 | bz4152 | ya |
| 23:57.24 | JeffM2501 | for many things |
| 23:57.28 | bz4152 | i run Apache server for my web dev |
| 23:57.49 | bz4152 | Linux is better than windows in my opinion |
| 23:58.01 | bz4152 | i just don't want to figure out how to compile newset version |
| 23:58.14 | blast007 | open the file in Notepad, then do a "save as" to the same directory, but put double quotes around the filename |
| 23:58.23 | blast007 | that will make sure it's not appending anything |
| 23:58.23 | bz4152 | ok |
| 23:58.41 | bz4152 | replaced |
| 23:58.46 | JeffM2501 | what linux do you use? |
| 23:58.48 | blast007 | if it still doesn't work, try with a very basic config, with just a few lines |
| 23:59.08 | bz4152 | i have 1 line |
| 23:59.12 | bz4152 | "-ms 10" |
| 23:59.23 | bz4152 | i am confused |
| 23:59.25 | bz4152 | should work |
| 23:59.38 | blast007 | try adding a blank line at the end of the file |
| 23:59.40 | JeffM2501 | what is the exact error? |
| 23:59.48 | bz4152 | i tryed runnign from "cmd" |
| 23:59.48 | bz4152 | but no dif |
| 23:59.49 | bz4152 | i have been running it out of shortcut |
| 23:59.53 | bz4152 | hang on |
