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| 00:06.46 | callofhonor | Hi Jeff. Whoa Tim's on |
| 00:06.59 | callofhonor | hey brad2901: http://brad2901.shorty114.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=269 |
| 00:07.03 | brad2901 | ??? |
| 00:07.36 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 00:07.44 | callofhonor | how are you doing? |
| 00:08.01 | JeffM2501 | I am ok |
| 00:08.05 | callofhonor | that's good |
| 00:08.37 | brad2901 | callofhonor: why not post the map then? |
| 00:08.49 | callofhonor | Hey I'm looking for map hosts. Which, is what the website is for |
| 00:09.09 | callofhonor | brad2901: I'm on a laptop. It doesn't have a floppy disk drive |
| 00:09.09 | brad2901 | I really don't see why you needed to post your address :) |
| 00:09.15 | brad2901 | ? |
| 00:09.24 | callofhonor | nobody's been on since the 12th |
| 00:09.25 | brad2901 | Can you not email it? |
| 00:09.36 | callofhonor | no internet at my mom's. |
| 00:09.51 | JeffM2501 | yet you are on the internet now |
| 00:09.53 | callofhonor | I'm at my dad's |
| 00:09.54 | brad2901 | so how do you expect for people to host a map ? |
| 00:10.17 | JeffM2501 | leprecauns |
| 00:10.17 | callofhonor | When school starts again. I will be able to |
| 00:10.28 | callofhonor | which is in ohhh.... |
| 00:10.41 | callofhonor | 13 days |
| 00:11.14 | brad2901 | right.. |
| 00:11.25 | callofhonor | -_- |
| 00:12.29 | callofhonor | I've been trying to call cedric, but nobody answers. |
| 00:12.40 | brad2901 | Maybe he's on vacation |
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| 00:15.01 | callofhonor | My order of rockets has been delayed.... makes me a little sad |
| 00:15.44 | callofhonor | I was going to blow something up before school.... |
| 00:16.12 | callofhonor | hey brad? |
| 00:16.17 | brad2901 | ? |
| 00:16.24 | callofhonor | what time is it there? |
| 00:16.40 | brad2901 | 1:16am |
| 00:16.46 | callofhonor | lol |
| 00:17.42 | callofhonor | I stayed up till Midnight last night. I was watching Die Another Day (James Bond) |
| 00:18.30 | callofhonor | Hey brad do you play Golf? |
| 00:18.36 | brad2901 | no |
| 00:18.41 | callofhonor | pity.... |
| 00:19.41 | callofhonor | I tried playing on a par 3 course (smaller versions of the big courses) and oh my god did my score suck |
| 00:20.16 | callofhonor | The total par was 54. I got a 98 |
| 00:20.34 | callofhonor | I do better on the bigger courses |
| 00:21.11 | callofhonor | today I almost hit a car driving by and some guys sittin g on a bench on another hole (I was on a Par 3 course) |
| 00:21.29 | PKMOBILE | you hit the ball 2 holes over |
| 00:21.32 | PKMOBILE | :-D |
| 00:21.51 | callofhonor | -_- |
| 00:22.31 | callofhonor | It's crazy, I can hit a golf ball really far even with the weakest clubs.... |
| 00:23.39 | callofhonor | I can use a 9 iron and hit it as far as I do with my 5 wood] |
| 00:24.32 | callofhonor | or you could say I can just as far with a 7 iron as my putter.... |
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| 00:26.52 | callofhonor | oh well, I'm going to go read. Cya |
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| 01:25.23 | jomojo | i have recently been made aware that there is a cheat that allows a person to see stealth or cloaked tanks. Is there a way to prevent this cheat like removing the seer flag? |
| 01:26.04 | trepan | no |
| 01:26.30 | jomojo | well that was short and to the point.. lol |
| 01:26.30 | trepan | not really, although some would claim that you could send less accurate positional updates |
| 01:27.32 | jomojo | well i was told to remove the id flag to avoid a cheat, because that removed a cheat.. was that not correct? |
| 01:27.45 | trepan | yup, that's correct |
| 01:27.56 | jomojo | yup that is correct to remove an id flag? |
| 01:28.08 | blast007 | yeah, then the clients don't know what each flag is |
| 01:28.15 | jomojo | ah |
| 01:28.19 | trepan | all non-team flag types are invisible to the client unless there's an ID flag in the game (afaik) |
| 01:28.40 | trepan | you could probably also keep track of their types by their IDs if you've already picked them up though |
| 01:28.50 | trepan | not sure, have looked into it |
| 01:28.54 | trepan | s/have/haven't |
| 01:29.08 | jomojo | well wait most flags are random no? |
| 01:29.25 | trepan | not really, all flags have fixed ids that go over the wire |
| 01:29.31 | jomojo | only 4 flags are not random on silvercat.. besides team flags |
| 01:30.40 | trepan | which ones are on the field at any particular time may be random |
| 01:30.52 | trepan | but their numberical ids don't change |
| 01:31.00 | trepan | s/al// |
| 01:31.25 | trepan | lotsa s//'s, coffee time |
| 01:33.38 | Tupone | with id flag client need to know the flag type because it should display its type when you go wandering with ID |
| 01:34.14 | Tupone | when no ID flag is available on a world, no need to disclose the type of flag until one get it |
| 01:34.47 | Tupone | but then flag can be known by everyone, until they disappears |
| 01:35.41 | trepan | Tupone: even after it disappears, it'll remain the same type next time around |
| 01:36.04 | trepan | so with enough players picking up flags, you'll probably have a full record within 5 mins |
| 01:36.05 | Tupone | yeah, it that is not random |
| 01:36.19 | Tupone | IIRC |
| 01:37.25 | Tupone | hmm, wonder if we can randomize flag even with fixed one |
| 01:37.59 | Tupone | I mean exchanging numbers |
| 01:38.42 | Tupone | well, better go sleep instead of saying things with no added value |
| 01:38.50 | Tupone | cya all |
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| 02:29.44 | orange | is there a practical limit to the number of users in a group on bzbb? |
| 02:33.29 | orange | And, he asks hopefully, is there some phpbb option that would allow one to pm an entire group at one time? |
| 02:42.54 | JeffM2501 | 1) many |
| 02:42.56 | JeffM2501 | 2) no |
| 02:43.03 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 02:45.00 | orange | well, for 1) I just wanted to make sure our plan to create a group that might have hundreds of users wouldn't be a problem |
| 02:45.22 | orange | and 2) I thought it would be nice to be able to use bzbb to communicate with groups of admins |
| 02:45.27 | JeffM2501 | 100's should not be an issue |
| 02:45.36 | JeffM2501 | tho management of them is a pita |
| 02:45.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's group features are weak |
| 02:45.52 | orange | yeah, management will be a pain |
| 02:45.56 | JeffM2501 | there are probalby mods that could help tho |
| 02:46.01 | orange | but we're thinking of having a shared login for a few users to do it |
| 02:46.03 | JeffM2501 | a mailing list would beter serve you |
| 02:46.23 | orange | yeah, it would, but it's the age-old problem of keeping things synchronized |
| 02:46.49 | orange | add an admin, remember to put them on the list, remove an admin, remove them other places... it is a recipe for desynchronized data |
| 02:46.57 | orange | no biggie though |
| 02:47.05 | orange | #1 was far more important than #2 |
| 02:47.13 | orange | #2 was just a "nice to have" :-) |
| 02:47.39 | JeffM2501 | as far as I know it's just a group ID that's taged to the users |
| 02:47.52 | JeffM2501 | so it's like untill the database runs outa space kinda thing |
| 02:48.08 | orange | yeah, then the only practical limit is the UI, cool |
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| 03:16.48 | lan56 | hello rpg |
| 03:17.25 | RPG_ | hello |
| 03:17.36 | RPG_ | menotume: beta 3 source coming your way |
| 03:18.08 | RPG_ | anyone else have trouble with anon cvs? |
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| 03:25.41 | RPG_ | menotume: you are meacan, right? |
| 03:26.14 | brlcad | eep, he is? |
| 03:26.20 | RPG_ | i think |
| 03:26.24 | RPG_ | i hope |
| 03:27.10 | blast007 | I think meacan == [dmp] |
| 03:27.24 | brlcad | that I'd believe |
| 03:27.33 | blast007 | Aug 03 11:06:33 *[dmp] is now known as meacan |
| 03:27.42 | RPG_ | first it was [dmp], then menotume, then meacan |
| 03:27.48 | RPG_ | that's what i assumed |
| 03:28.13 | brlcad | he'll always be [dmp] to me :) |
| 03:28.48 | brlcad | speaking of such.. I was surprised to see dmp commit too :) |
| 03:29.43 | brlcad | i gather he was recently added (as well as a slew of others apparently) |
| 03:29.57 | brlcad | menotume is != [dmp] |
| 03:30.04 | brlcad | menotume: right? :) |
| 03:30.05 | orange | menotume has nothing to do with meacan or [dmp] |
| 03:30.14 | orange | but meacan = [dmp] |
| 03:30.30 | brlcad | that's what I thought |
| 03:30.56 | brlcad | RPG_: stop starting rumors ;) |
| 03:31.03 | RPG_ | i thought.... |
| 03:31.09 | brlcad | stop thinking :) |
| 03:36.10 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 06:09.48 | RatOHome | ping Pimpinella |
| 06:10.31 | RatOHome | got a cheater by the name "lilo" at viper.pimpi |
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| 06:55.00 | Trucker | Greetings |
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| 08:47.17 | Pimpinella | RatOmeter: what was his cheat? |
| 08:48.09 | _Manu_ | Pimpinella, morning :) |
| 08:48.18 | Pimpinella | hi _Manu_ :) |
| 08:48.42 | Pimpinella | we make it to miss us lately :/ |
| 08:48.53 | Pimpinella | s/make/made |
| 08:49.09 | _Manu_ | he means the player 'lilo' using endshots |
| 08:49.41 | Pimpinella | he should get removed quickly? |
| 08:49.52 | Pimpinella | after a few usages |
| 08:50.02 | _Manu_ | yes.. but he continues rejoining.. and getting kicked ever and ever.. |
| 08:50.28 | _Manu_ | I banned a full range for this cheater.. but he also uses another ip range |
| 08:50.38 | _Manu_ | and this last is common used for many players |
| 08:51.02 | Pimpinella | stupid...i don't understnd the motivation of those players |
| 08:51.18 | Pimpinella | simply don't get it |
| 08:51.25 | _Manu_ | he uses the endShot only when get hitted.. so is can play a little |
| 08:51.31 | Pimpinella | must be some kind of mental disorder... |
| 08:51.53 | _Manu_ | a bored guy :( |
| 08:52.20 | Pimpinella | breakfast :) |
| 08:52.26 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 08:54.49 | jpa_ | what does endshot do? |
| 08:55.03 | _Manu_ | the word explains it :) |
| 08:55.13 | _Manu_ | finish your bullet |
| 08:55.13 | jpa_ | humm |
| 08:55.37 | _Manu_ | I shoot you.. then when you are going to be killed.. you send endShot message for that bullet.. |
| 08:55.42 | _Manu_ | then the bullet explodes |
| 08:56.05 | jpa_ | but.. hmm, why does the thing exist then, why would i end your shot? |
| 08:56.10 | _Manu_ | and you continue alive := |
| 08:56.44 | _Manu_ | when you get killed.. your client sends the endShot |
| 08:56.50 | jpa_ | ah |
| 08:56.53 | _Manu_ | and when you have shield.. and get hitted too |
| 08:57.00 | _Manu_ | and also when you fire gm |
| 08:57.13 | _Manu_ | your client finish the missiles |
| 08:57.39 | _Manu_ | there is an active anti-cheat for endshots.. but it allows using it two times before getting kicked |
| 08:58.40 | jpa_ | just mod the server to add a 24h ban for using it? :) |
| 08:58.58 | _Manu_ | yes, but he can change his ip |
| 08:59.06 | _Manu_ | because using dynamic |
| 08:59.46 | jpa_ | heh |
| 09:00.44 | jpa_ | i can think of someone getting kicked, resetting adsl, reconnecting, getting kicked ad infinitum :) |
| 09:00.55 | _Manu_ | the cheater can get high scores.. nor can play for long.. just one minute.. but he continues joining.. and getting kicked |
| 09:01.09 | _Manu_ | mean can't.. |
| 09:01.44 | _Manu_ | from your point of see... you fire a player.. and he disconnects.. |
| 09:02.15 | _Manu_ | and from the admin point of see.. get an admin message explaining the kick because endshots |
| 09:03.07 | jpa_ | hmm.. couldn't the server force-kill the client when using endshot without reason? |
| 09:03.35 | _Manu_ | the server actually kicks.. the player using bad endshots |
| 09:03.56 | jpa_ | yeah, but kick is kick, kill would be visible in points |
| 09:04.13 | _Manu_ | the server can't manage collisions.. so he can't |
| 09:04.27 | _Manu_ | he only knows if the endshots are corrects or not |
| 09:04.40 | jpa_ | so, when they are not, just kill the client? |
| 09:05.12 | _Manu_ | the first cheater using endShots was aenox.. he joined a team.. and using endshots for the others teams bullets |
| 09:05.46 | _Manu_ | then.. only he and/or his team can shoot |
| 09:05.55 | _Manu_ | killing him is not usefull |
| 09:06.07 | jpa_ | wouldn't be too bad if the anti-cheat reacts wrong, just get killed once (so no need for the 2 boundary |
| 09:06.21 | jpa_ | why not? you shoot, he dies |
| 09:06.29 | jpa_ | would make him die all the time |
| 09:06.37 | jpa_ | not what cheater wants |
| 09:06.51 | _Manu_ | imagine.. I send endShots for all the bullets except mines.. it's funny.. and if I get killed.. as I'm not playing.. no matter |
| 09:07.01 | _Manu_ | that's the point of see of the cheater |
| 09:07.09 | jpa_ | ah, true |
| 09:07.18 | jpa_ | ignore bad endshots? :) |
| 09:07.21 | _Manu_ | he simply break the gbame |
| 09:07.35 | _Manu_ | as the protocol is can't be done |
| 09:07.47 | _Manu_ | because endshot is a response to a success |
| 09:08.22 | _Manu_ | I implemented endShot anti-cheat as a quick fix only |
| 09:08.43 | brad2901 | ~seen jeffm2501 |
| 09:08.45 | ibot | jeffm2501 <n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 6h 20m 53s ago, saying: 'so it's like untill the database runs outa space kinda thing'. |
| 09:08.48 | _Manu_ | because this endShot cheat got break bzflag :( |
| 09:09.18 | _Manu_ | brad2901, ibot lies... hehe |
| 09:10.17 | ruskie | ? |
| 09:10.20 | brad2901 | :) |
| 09:10.26 | _Manu_ | he can't see... |
| 09:10.35 | brad2901 | isn't she fixed now? |
| 09:10.37 | _Manu_ | the message should be.. was here.. or left... |
| 09:10.46 | ruskie | lol |
| 09:11.00 | _Manu_ | but never using seen.. lol |
| 09:12.24 | brad2901 | ah |
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| 13:03.16 | menotume | learner: ping |
| 13:06.29 | uso | is there any way to get a xy-velocity towards the center of a pyramid if jumping from a pyramid upwards? |
| 13:09.03 | uso | i always seem to loose my xy-velocity if i jump to a pyramid but i've seen people jumping from a pyramid to a platform above it |
| 13:10.22 | menotume | uso: on GU ? |
| 13:10.37 | uso | yes |
| 13:10.43 | menotume | one sec ... |
| 13:11.26 | menotume | there's a trick to it |
| 13:11.34 | menotume | do you use global login ? |
| 13:11.39 | uso | no |
| 13:11.49 | menotume | k, so you can't go to a match server |
| 13:11.57 | menotume | lemme see ... one sec |
| 13:12.01 | uso | only as observer |
| 13:13.13 | menotume | uso: go to bzflag.no-ip.com:5158 |
| 13:14.55 | ToughShooter | ping menotume |
| 13:21.59 | menotume | pong |
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| 13:29.16 | callofhonor | http://brad2901.shorty114.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=270 |
| 13:29.41 | callofhonor | pictures of me finally :) |
| 13:30.53 | callofhonor | !weather 03801 |
| 13:30.55 | TheLastSpartan | callofhonor: The current temperature in Portsmouth, New Hampshire (03801) is 68°F (8:55 AM EDT on August 20, 2005). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 64°F. Pressure: 30.09 in (1019 hPa). Visibility: 7.0 miles (11.3 kilometers). UV: 1 out of 16 |
| 13:49.47 | menotume | not worth it - can't even see him |
| 13:50.00 | menotume | learner - did you get my PM ? |
| 13:50.41 | menotume | oh, i mean... brlcad - did you get my pm ? |
| 13:54.30 | Tupone | hi menotume , brlcad or learner whoever is awake |
| 13:54.50 | menotume | hi |
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| 14:00.57 | Tupone | :) |
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| 14:10.49 | callofhonor | hello. |
| 14:11.23 | callofhonor | I would like to know where I can find JeffM2501 |
| 14:11.41 | callofhonor | now would be nice. |
| 14:11.49 | Birdie | if he is online you will find him here |
| 14:11.54 | learner | his body is in my trunk |
| 14:12.16 | callofhonor | thank u learner. that's comforting news. |
| 14:13.01 | learner | any reason in particular |
| 14:13.17 | callofhonor | i hate his living guts as of now |
| 14:13.52 | learner | that says more negative about you than him already |
| 14:14.14 | learner | what's wrong? |
| 14:14.36 | callofhonor | i am on the master ban list, which means I can't do anything, I'm not even going to try and put up a server without risking being banned from my own server |
| 14:15.12 | learner | well, if you're on masterban list, that generally means you did something to deserve it |
| 14:15.14 | callofhonor | i acted like a jerk. I had a bad day |
| 14:15.55 | callofhonor | i insulted him. won't do anything for me ever again |
| 14:15.56 | learner | you can still run your own server, you will just have to read the documentation to see how the masterban list works for server operators |
| 14:16.25 | callofhonor | i need a host for my map, which is the main problem |
| 14:16.38 | learner | well, that's generally how it goes when you insult people .. no? |
| 14:17.16 | learner | at least where you're insulting people who actually have little tolerance for disruption and wasting time |
| 14:17.17 | callofhonor | most people get over it. It's been a year now and i'm getting tired of it |
| 14:17.47 | learner | doesn't sound like you're rather apologetic |
| 14:17.55 | learner | i'd gather that's why you're still on the list |
| 14:18.13 | callofhonor | i was at one point, now it's at the point where i'm getting annoyed again |
| 14:18.42 | learner | that sounds like a rather unproductive route to go now, doesn't it? |
| 14:18.52 | learner | we regularly remove people from the masterban list |
| 14:19.04 | learner | who give us a hint that they're not going to keep causing trouble |
| 14:19.12 | callofhonor | normally i'm fine, but lately i haven't been doing so well..... |
| 14:19.49 | learner | it takes a lot of time and energy to deal with people that disrupt the game for other players or that attempt to disrupt the network |
| 14:19.55 | learner | it's not a right to play |
| 14:20.17 | callofhonor | everything was going fine with me until last year.... |
| 14:20.18 | learner | we love the players and the game, that's why we're here -- improving the game for everyone |
| 14:20.27 | learner | jeff does his best to keep it fun for everyone |
| 14:20.44 | callofhonor | i'm not insulting people anymore. |
| 14:21.00 | learner | when he has to stoop down to petty arguments and dealing with disruptions, it's a huge time sink |
| 14:21.46 | learner | yes, but the damage was done however long ago and you don't "seem" to have any remorse for causing trouble and wasting people's time |
| 14:22.01 | learner | until then, I suspect you'll stay on the list |
| 14:22.18 | learner | I would certainly defer to jeff before unbanning you myself |
| 14:22.19 | callofhonor | This year has been a bad year for me. First I fail English, had to go to summer school. Then my parents divorced. It's all going down hill. I'm banned from the only place I feel comfortable in. |
| 14:22.56 | learner | I'm sorry to hear about your problems at home and school |
| 14:23.27 | learner | your problems on bz are easy resolved if you can resolve to not waste people's time and disrupt the game for others, not cause arguments |
| 14:23.39 | learner | we don't want to ban people in the least |
| 14:24.01 | learner | but it sounds like if you're having trouble at school that you should be focusing some time there too, no? |
| 14:24.11 | Tupone | callofhonor: you could eventually convince some server admin to put an antiban on you |
| 14:24.18 | callofhonor | i did. It was the only subject i failed |
| 14:24.27 | learner | that's good |
| 14:26.10 | callofhonor | only one admin has currently done that for me, Happy Tanker, he knows I had a bad day. Other than that I'm banned from virtually every server |
| 14:26.11 | learner | what do you think would be a fair recourse? |
| 14:26.28 | callofhonor | what does recourse mean? |
| 14:26.33 | learner | ~dict recourse |
| 14:27.32 | learner | what do you think would be a fair resolution to this problem? |
| 14:28.00 | learner | are you willing to keep your cool? |
| 14:28.12 | learner | not waste time of devs and admins? |
| 14:28.22 | learner | if it seems like a silly question, then your answer should be simple |
| 14:28.26 | callofhonor | figure out a way to repay the server admins for what I have done. Admitting that I was a jerk. |
| 14:28.50 | learner | that sounds quite intelligent actually |
| 14:29.03 | learner | is there a server in particular that you think you've offended? |
| 14:30.12 | callofhonor | Viper. That's the only one. The rest of the servers are just a default ban. |
| 14:30.28 | learner | do you know viper's operator? |
| 14:30.41 | callofhonor | Toaster. Manu. Viper himself |
| 14:31.09 | learner | I'd suggest having a talk with one or two of them |
| 14:31.27 | learner | admit your case, apologize if you feel necessary |
| 14:31.37 | learner | ask them to talk to jeff or myself |
| 14:31.43 | callofhonor | i can't. Well, Viper I did see on a server a few months ago. He said he still hates me |
| 14:32.28 | learner | it would really help you to get someone to vouche for you, someone well known -- an admin/operator/developer/etc |
| 14:32.35 | callofhonor | what do u do learner? |
| 14:32.46 | learner | if they're still bitter, I can only imagine what you did :) |
| 14:32.57 | callofhonor | Happy Tanker might help me, but i'm not sure |
| 14:33.07 | learner | I'm the channel therapist |
| 14:33.13 | callofhonor | ? |
| 14:33.17 | learner | j/k :) |
| 14:33.32 | learner | i'm one of the devs |
| 14:33.43 | callofhonor | g2g |
| 14:33.54 | learner | heavy fist enforcer when need be as well, keeper of the peace |
| 14:33.59 | learner | oh well |
| 14:34.38 | learner | shame he barely hinted at remorse.. I only vaguely recall him causing trouble |
| 14:34.58 | learner | _Manu_, what'd he do? (what did he NOT do?) :) |
| 14:35.47 | Tupone | channel therapist :) |
| 14:36.16 | learner | the kid shouldn't be playing games it sounds |
| 14:37.05 | Tupone | the kids should play. |
| 14:37.11 | menotume | you should see 'his' boat |
| 14:37.13 | learner | should be hitting the library, staying late at school, play with friends |
| 14:37.30 | Tupone | not this game ... |
| 14:38.32 | learner | menotume, boat? |
| 14:38.50 | menotume | http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=buckiesburittos0170qw.jpg |
| 14:38.59 | menotume | toughshooter says: "THis is my boat" |
| 14:39.14 | learner | daddy's boat, got it |
| 14:39.19 | learner | daddy has a nice boat |
| 14:39.23 | menotume | right :) |
| 14:39.53 | menotume | "Here'e my and my dad" : http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cimg09979yx.jpg |
| 14:40.21 | Tupone | ToughShooter ? I think we were talking about callof honor :/ |
| 14:40.36 | menotume | ohhh |
| 14:40.39 | Aribeth | theropy for everyone :P |
| 14:40.41 | menotume | sry :)( |
| 14:40.48 | learner | ahh, so that's TS |
| 14:41.00 | menotume | yes |
| 14:41.11 | learner | Aribeth, heh |
| 14:41.21 | menotume | i need less tasks |
| 14:41.33 | menotume | multitasker says: stack overflow |
| 14:42.19 | Tupone | learner: can I? |
| 14:42.25 | learner | heh |
| 14:42.27 | learner | no. :) |
| 14:42.32 | Tupone | lol |
| 14:43.13 | Tupone | I thought the problem was not love (i refuse for) but stack overflow |
| 14:43.52 | Aribeth | get too much love, and you will have a stack overflow :P |
| 14:44.11 | Tupone | that is true :) |
| 14:44.32 | learner | this machine is fscked. stack overflows, buffer overruns, thrashing, too many context switches, out of memory |
| 14:45.01 | DTRemenak | time for an upgrade ;) |
| 14:45.08 | Tupone | eheh, need some true rest . A journey to Italy ? |
| 14:45.18 | learner | hehe |
| 14:46.15 | learner | that'd just equate to turning off an e-mail server.. all the work is just backing up into a queue and waiting for you to finally return back on-line |
| 14:46.28 | learner | DTRemenak, or throw in another processor in this instance ;) |
| 14:46.39 | Aribeth | i want to go to France some day |
| 14:46.45 | DTRemenak | aw, you don't wanna go the transplant route? |
| 14:47.12 | Tupone | well, you can put an antispam, and badly configure it. |
| 14:47.16 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 14:55.04 | ToughShooter | menotume: I didn't said anything about a boat! :o |
| 14:55.27 | menotume | eeeeep |
| 14:55.36 | menotume | NOT TS: CallOfHonor ! |
| 14:55.38 | menotume | lol |
| 14:55.40 | menotume | sry |
| 14:55.49 | menotume | ok, i need a break |
| 15:03.20 | *** join/#bzflag koalabear (n=koala@203-49-186-183.dsl.dodo.com.au) |
| 15:03.24 | koalabear | hiya all |
| 15:04.35 | DTRemenak | hi |
| 15:04.53 | koalabear | I love the new trent map |
| 15:04.56 | learner | hola |
| 15:04.58 | koalabear | say on your server. |
| 15:05.10 | koalabear | say really nice lots of fun |
| 15:05.17 | koalabear | whoops darn say |
| 15:05.19 | DTRemenak | trent? |
| 15:05.55 | koalabear | gosh its close to that |
| 15:05.59 | koalabear | maybe |
| 15:06.29 | DTRemenak | hm...perhaps one of tread's maps? |
| 15:06.39 | DTRemenak | there are two running right now though |
| 15:06.42 | koalabear | yes that's it |
| 15:06.52 | koalabear | no radar maps |
| 15:07.08 | koalabear | one is hills and the other I'm not sure what you call it,but its is AWESOME |
| 15:07.31 | koalabear | lots of action |
| 15:07.55 | DTRemenak | ~bzflist |
| 15:08.13 | DTRemenak | ah, 6005 is Emerald Mosque iirc |
| 15:08.21 | koalabear | yes |
| 15:08.23 | koalabear | that rocks |
| 15:09.03 | DTRemenak | thanks :) tell Tread Baron that if you see him on, too |
| 15:09.12 | koalabear | well thought out, and lots of fun to play, he was saying that there are a few little bugs to workout, but I've been on for hours, and there have been plenty of players enjoying it. |
| 15:09.26 | koalabear | I have he was there playing. |
| 15:09.53 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 15:09.59 | koalabear | say if I voted for a best map, thats it. |
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| 15:11.09 | koalabear | anyway back to the action, I'm hooked :) |
| 15:11.54 | DTRemenak | heh, have fun |
| 15:11.58 | koalabear | my score like was something like 100-189, but it doesn't matter its really enjoyable |
| 15:12.11 | *** join/#bzflag ep (n=ep@ip68-97-122-98.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 15:12.47 | koalabear | say might, I told him at least 4 times when I was playing how much it rocks :) |
| 15:13.27 | koalabear | take care off I go I need my fix :) |
| 15:13.46 | koalabear | Oh yeah, and DTR servers rock! ^_~ |
| 15:14.23 | Birdie | slime slime |
| 15:24.22 | learner | DTR servers rock! |
| 15:24.25 | learner | *ahem* |
| 15:24.31 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 15:25.24 | Birdie | the server might rock, the map...:) |
| 15:26.07 | learner | i have several machines that rock.. they just sit there in the corner, don't move, don't do a darn thing ;) |
| 15:26.55 | menotume | surf's up, dud |
| 15:26.58 | menotume | dude |
| 15:36.42 | ep | Quake 3 Arena source code was open sourced: http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/20/1329236 |
| 15:37.11 | Birdie | quake is not free right? |
| 15:37.22 | ep | it is now:) |
| 15:37.28 | Birdie | yay |
| 15:37.33 | Birdie | i should concider to play it than |
| 15:40.35 | meacan | i dont think the content (Graphics, levels) is free? |
| 15:41.47 | blast007 | right, I think you need the original CD for that |
| 15:46.16 | ep | well the point being, they are open sourcing a graphics engine (albeit old) to make room for cheap games based on that engine. Giving back to the community. |
| 15:52.21 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust130.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 15:52.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (ServerCommand.h commands.cxx): Executing abbreviated commands |
| 15:54.20 | menotume | exec abbr cmds ? |
| 15:54.31 | Tupone | exc abb cs |
| 15:54.49 | menotume | :) |
| 15:54.51 | Tupone | well you need a * after the command |
| 15:57.23 | learner | eac =) |
| 15:59.23 | menotume | alias e='eac' |
| 16:00.01 | blast007 | hmm...Windows Vista will have a crippled OpenGL implementation |
| 16:00.03 | blast007 | http://tinyurl.com/b6bj3 |
| 16:00.28 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 16:00.28 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 16:00.42 | orchid | hi JeffM2501 |
| 16:01.12 | blast007 | hey JeffM2501 :) Did you see the quake3 source is out? |
| 16:03.12 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 16:03.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:03.18 | JeffM2501 | yesterday |
| 16:04.01 | JeffM2501 | tis not some prety code |
| 16:06.34 | learner | JeffM2501, you missed an appearance by callofhonor |
| 16:06.48 | learner | he was almost apologetic, hoping to get unbanned |
| 16:06.49 | JeffM2501 | he was here yesterday too |
| 16:07.20 | JeffM2501 | I told him how to get unbaned |
| 16:07.42 | learner | same here |
| 16:07.51 | learner | had a nice long talk with him |
| 16:08.07 | JeffM2501 | he gonna do it? |
| 16:08.16 | learner | he sounded like he was going to try |
| 16:08.26 | JeffM2501 | good for him if he does |
| 16:08.30 | learner | he was apparently shut down by viper already :) |
| 16:08.42 | learner | but that's at least a start |
| 16:09.40 | learner | i had him basically talking to the folks he's pissed off and wasted time of, behave, make his case, etc -- do his best to convince those people that's he's willing to behave |
| 16:09.56 | learner | and if he can do that, to have those ops come vouche for him for an unbanning |
| 16:10.09 | JeffM2501 | and send us 100$ |
| 16:10.18 | learner | sounds like he'll have quite a feat though |
| 16:10.26 | JeffM2501 | re stocking fee |
| 16:10.28 | learner | and that he probably shouldn't be on-line in the first place |
| 16:11.47 | learner | (serious school/family/personal problems that he really should deal with instead of trying to disappear into a game) |
| 16:12.57 | learner | not that we're his parents, of course |
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| 16:16.21 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, just so you know, if IDiedOnce is still using scoreReset, his stack can be smashed |
| 16:20.20 | DTRemenak | can it? that seems like a Bad Thing |
| 16:20.38 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 16:20.45 | DTRemenak | it should probably be Fixed |
| 16:20.49 | JeffM2501 | the API for seting the score is HORKED |
| 16:20.57 | JeffM2501 | well there are client side problems with it |
| 16:21.00 | JeffM2501 | I have been working on it |
| 16:21.13 | DTRemenak | the client should not make the server crash dude ;) |
| 16:21.22 | JeffM2501 | I know it should not |
| 16:21.27 | JeffM2501 | but I've watched it happen |
| 16:21.44 | JeffM2501 | hence why i'm having a pain time tracking it down |
| 16:21.46 | DTRemenak | what does it do? |
| 16:22.22 | JeffM2501 | if you've used score reset and a client leaves, the server will blow over some memory |
| 16:22.30 | JeffM2501 | later in a message function |
| 16:22.52 | JeffM2501 | it's probably not really related to the client |
| 16:23.04 | *** join/#bzflag callofhonor (n=183ddb61@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 16:23.07 | JeffM2501 | but I also made changes to my client, so I'm having to seperate them out |
| 16:23.07 | DTRemenak | interesting |
| 16:23.17 | JeffM2501 | supid client dosn't know it got it's own score set |
| 16:23.28 | DTRemenak | yeah, that one's true enough |
| 16:23.35 | callofhonor | i almost killed myself a few minutes ago |
| 16:23.56 | menotume | almost ? |
| 16:23.59 | JeffM2501 | so I may just pull out the score set API |
| 16:24.13 | menotume | there's a fix :) |
| 16:24.32 | JeffM2501 | no mater what it won't work on old client right |
| 16:24.39 | DTRemenak | heh, or just change it to use /superkill :) |
| 16:24.41 | callofhonor | i got my dad this horribly hot habenaro hot sauce, it said to use know more than a half a drop, and I used 3 drops on a chip |
| 16:24.44 | JeffM2501 | so maybe it's valid to have it wait |
| 16:25.14 | JeffM2501 | untill 2.1 |
| 16:25.21 | learner | callofhonor, heh |
| 16:25.47 | learner | that can be dangerous stuff actually |
| 16:25.48 | callofhonor | nothing happened for about 10 seconds, then i couldn't breathe for 5 seconds, my throat and tongue are currently still burning, and it hurts to swallow |
| 16:25.49 | ToughShooter | drinking won't help but a banana does |
| 16:25.54 | learner | you know the scoville units? |
| 16:26.10 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 16:26.11 | callofhonor | yes i do know about scoville units |
| 16:26.32 | learner | no, I mean what that sauce's rating is |
| 16:26.40 | learner | not what the units are in general |
| 16:26.54 | callofhonor | a jalapeno pepper is 5,000 units, a habenaro is about 5,000,000 |
| 16:27.03 | *** join/#bzflag bz8681 (n=0cd8e5a3@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 16:27.14 | bz8681 | how do you start a game of bzflag from the command line? |
| 16:27.14 | callofhonor | or is it 500,000 hold on |
| 16:27.41 | learner | a habaanero isn't usually that hot -- especially fresh -- it's extract could be, though |
| 16:28.01 | learner | so.. you don't know for that particular bottle |
| 16:28.40 | orchid | !debian version bzflag |
| 16:28.41 | callofhonor | brb |
| 16:28.42 | TheLastSpartan | orchid: 8 matches found: bzflag (oldstable: 1.7e4); bzflag (stable: 2.0.2.20050318); bzflag (testing: 2.0.2.20050318); bzflag (unstable: 2.0.2.20050318-0.1, 2.0.2.20050318); bzflag-server (oldstable: 1.7e4); bzflag-server (stable: 2.0.2.20050318); bzflag-server (testing: 2.0.2.20050318); bzflag-server (unstable: 2.0.2.20050318-0.1, 2.0.2.20050318) |
| 16:29.05 | callofhonor | g2g because of my stupid SISTER! |
| 16:29.32 | bz8681 | how do you start a game of bzflag from the command line? |
| 16:29.36 | JeffM2501 | ohh the dramma |
| 16:29.40 | JeffM2501 | bz8681, what OS? |
| 16:30.25 | bz8681 | gentoo linux |
| 16:30.37 | JeffM2501 | you want to start a client or a server? |
| 16:30.42 | bz8681 | cli |
| 16:30.49 | JeffM2501 | then it's just bzflag |
| 16:30.52 | JeffM2501 | if it's in your path |
| 16:31.18 | bz8681 | hm, I installed bzflag but I've no executable by that name |
| 16:31.50 | JeffM2501 | how did you install it? |
| 16:32.28 | bz8681 | emerge bzflag |
| 16:34.53 | orchid | JeffM2501: does the "nv" do accelartion or only the "nvida" |
| 16:35.18 | JeffM2501 | nv does deceleration on the nvidia |
| 16:35.27 | JeffM2501 | but yes it is a nvidia only driver |
| 16:35.35 | JeffM2501 | it sadly is not accelerated |
| 16:35.52 | JeffM2501 | bz8681, it should have put it somehwere, our execuatble is called bzflag |
| 16:36.03 | JeffM2501 | usualy they put it in like /usr/share/games/ or something |
| 16:38.48 | bz8681 | i figured it out, gentoo is building server-only because the 'dedicated' USE flag was set |
| 16:39.01 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 16:39.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah our sever is it's own app |
| 16:40.14 | bz8681 | was there a commercial bzflag variant a long time ago, maybe 1996 or so? |
| 16:40.28 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:40.45 | bz8681 | must have been a knock-off then |
| 16:40.45 | JeffM2501 | back then it wasn't open source |
| 16:40.50 | JeffM2501 | but it also wasn't comercial |
| 16:41.05 | bz8681 | i remember buying a similar game |
| 16:41.13 | JeffM2501 | are you thinking of "battlezone" ? |
| 16:41.16 | JeffM2501 | or "tanarus" |
| 16:41.18 | bz8681 | nope |
| 16:41.28 | JeffM2501 | what computer was it for? |
| 16:41.53 | bz8681 | neither... for PC, might have starete with a 'V', but noot sure |
| 16:42.10 | JeffM2501 | there have been many tank games over the ages |
| 16:42.16 | JeffM2501 | battlezone inspired many |
| 16:43.28 | bz8681 | is bzflag a direct battlezone descendant? |
| 16:43.30 | bz8681 | or a clone |
| 16:44.21 | JeffM2501 | inspired by |
| 16:48.02 | *** join/#bzflag kunphuzil (n=Jason@ip-69-10-125-20.cableaz.net) |
| 16:51.28 | kunphuzil | Are there any Scrapyard Hustlers in here? |
| 16:51.54 | orchid | I hope thats a bzflag team name |
| 16:52.09 | kunphuzil | Yes |
| 16:52.15 | kunphuzil | Of Adrenaline League |
| 16:52.32 | orchid | Adrenilane leauge, hmm not heard of that |
| 16:52.53 | kunphuzil | http://adrenaline.willempen.org |
| 16:53.09 | orchid | ahh |
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| 16:57.29 | kunphuzil | [brad]: hey, you are in Scrapyard Hustlers ? |
| 16:57.41 | [brad] | yes |
| 16:57.47 | kunphuzil | want to play a match? |
| 16:57.49 | kunphuzil | i am too |
| 16:57.52 | kunphuzil | another team wants to face us |
| 16:57.56 | [brad] | I can't right now.. |
| 16:58.05 | [brad] | I don't have bz on this comp |
| 16:58.20 | [brad] | If you can wait 30 mins I can play |
| 16:58.44 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: On a local server my lag got up from 60 +-1ms to 160 +-20ms |
| 16:58.52 | kunphuzil | hrm |
| 16:58.56 | kunphuzil | i can not see him anymore |
| 16:59.19 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, sounds about the same change |
| 17:01.08 | *** join/#bzflag hacim (i=micah@micha.hampshire.edu) |
| 17:01.47 | hacim | heyall, I've got a nvidia card, and just switched to xorg, everything is slooow now and am wondering what I'm missing |
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| 17:02.03 | trepan | reinstall your nvidia drivers |
| 17:02.05 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: yes |
| 17:02.18 | *** part/#bzflag Pinchiukas (i=dievuliz@85.206.112.28) |
| 17:02.45 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, then it sounds like that's just what you are going to get with the current GM sysatem |
| 17:02.46 | hacim | trepan: I'm using the xorg "nv" driver, and bzflag gives me: Mesa GLX indirect |
| 17:02.57 | JeffM2501 | hacim, and that is your problem |
| 17:02.59 | hacim | trepan: is it necessary to have the upstream nvidia drivers instead? |
| 17:02.59 | trepan | yup, that's the sucky one |
| 17:03.03 | JeffM2501 | you want the nvidia ones |
| 17:03.04 | hacim | bah |
| 17:03.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah update |
| 17:03.15 | JeffM2501 | nv does not hardware acceleration |
| 17:03.18 | JeffM2501 | and will suck |
| 17:03.18 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Well, I want to find out what is causing it and do something against it |
| 17:03.20 | JeffM2501 | and suck hard |
| 17:03.46 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, we need to move shot strat to the server, so you don't send out more updates with GM |
| 17:03.58 | JeffM2501 | that ain't gonna happen in 2.0.x |
| 17:04.11 | hacim | nvidia 7676 looks like is the latest |
| 17:04.12 | ToughShooter | Is there some unix command to find out how much upstream is used by my system? |
| 17:04.33 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, you can track your bandwiht, there are many utilitys that will do that |
| 17:04.57 | JeffM2501 | the thing to do is try older versions and see if they were any better or worse |
| 17:05.47 | menotume | ToughShooter: have you tries with a VERY local server ? |
| 17:05.58 | menotume | like LAN, or same machine even |
| 17:06.10 | JeffM2501 | that would be a good test |
| 17:06.16 | JeffM2501 | it could be frame related |
| 17:06.17 | ToughShooter | Same machine is a very bad test |
| 17:06.23 | menotume | yes |
| 17:06.27 | orchid | hacim: the drivers you had installed with apt were probbaly right |
| 17:06.29 | menotume | client interference |
| 17:06.30 | ToughShooter | A frame drop from 67 to 60 |
| 17:06.34 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, by itself, yes it is, but in comparison, no it so not |
| 17:06.39 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, check the lag localy |
| 17:07.01 | ToughShooter | my local lag uses to be 3 +-11ms |
| 17:07.03 | JeffM2501 | the frame counter is averaged a bit |
| 17:07.11 | JeffM2501 | so is the lag counter |
| 17:07.35 | ToughShooter | Game stuff needs to be moved away from Frame stuff |
| 17:07.49 | ToughShooter | Meaning graphics should be independend |
| 17:07.50 | menotume | heh |
| 17:07.53 | Chestal | GM shouldnt cause many messages |
| 17:08.09 | ToughShooter | Is 128Kb enough upstream? |
| 17:08.15 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, manything need to be done |
| 17:08.16 | Chestal | unless there are a lot of players and you frantically click your right mouse butto |
| 17:08.52 | ToughShooter | That's what I usually do |
| 17:09.06 | Chestal | your client will send an update message for any change in GM target |
| 17:09.16 | menotume | ahhh, operator error, then |
| 17:09.19 | Chestal | i.e. when you get a different lock |
| 17:09.31 | Chestal | 11ms of jitter when playing on local server? |
| 17:09.37 | ToughShooter | Yes |
| 17:09.40 | JeffM2501 | then maybe it's frame lag that's giving you fake jitter |
| 17:09.46 | Chestal | that should not be |
| 17:09.50 | Chestal | maybe a scheduling problem |
| 17:09.53 | JeffM2501 | local shold be like 0 |
| 17:10.03 | Chestal | can you limit your fps? vsync? |
| 17:10.04 | ToughShooter | When I make bzfs less nice it gets down to 1ms |
| 17:10.27 | ToughShooter | Switching resolutions don't change the jitter, IIRC |
| 17:10.49 | Chestal | you'll just get more/less fpsd when switching rsolutions |
| 17:10.53 | ToughShooter | Chestal: ? |
| 17:11.06 | Chestal | can you activate sync on vblank? |
| 17:11.10 | ToughShooter | Yes, I get 320 FPS at 1024*768 |
| 17:11.18 | Chestal | best way to not let the gl rendering eat up 100% CPU |
| 17:11.25 | ToughShooter | I don't know how |
| 17:13.21 | ToughShooter | No good network traffic monitor tools found |
| 17:13.52 | Chestal | which operating system? |
| 17:14.06 | ToughShooter | Mac OS X version 10.4.2 |
| 17:14.18 | Chestal | ah, have no clue then |
| 17:15.05 | Chestal | to test limitign fps, you could also use a simple patch which just tries to keep a constant frame time by adding a short sleep |
| 17:16.12 | jpa_ | at some point i thought the patch was already included in CVS |
| 17:17.05 | ToughShooter | Maybe there's a point of having 500FPS |
| 17:17.13 | trepan | hacim: ya, your client was completely whacked |
| 17:17.19 | learner | ToughShooter, the Apple Activity Monitor application will report upload and download in real-time |
| 17:17.30 | trepan | you had the jitter = -21xxxxxxxx problem |
| 17:17.37 | hacim | trepan: what is that problem? |
| 17:17.58 | trepan | beats me, but your tank was like a cat in a room full of rocking chairs |
| 17:18.00 | hacim | I'm running 2.0.2.20050318-0.1 from debian unstable |
| 17:18.24 | Chestal | maybe debian guy recompiled 2.02 with g++-4.0 |
| 17:18.37 | Chestal | a bug was fixed after 2.02 |
| 17:18.40 | ToughShooter | learner: You can't scroll back in traffic, can you? |
| 17:18.42 | Chestal | 2.02 does _not_ work with g++4.0 |
| 17:18.52 | hacim | yes, debian is migrating to gcc4.0 |
| 17:19.02 | learner | scroll back? ehh.. it keeps a running history window so .. sorta |
| 17:20.00 | ToughShooter | I don't see there's a way to have network activity in a huge window with some more overview over the past |
| 17:20.01 | learner | maybe 20-30 seconds history |
| 17:20.15 | JeffM2501 | now do you have a REAL 128 up? |
| 17:20.19 | JeffM2501 | or is it some sorta split DSL thing? |
| 17:20.23 | hacim | Chestal: most current is 2.02 |
| 17:20.34 | Chestal | hacim: yes, 2.02 is latest release |
| 17:20.36 | learner | ToughShooter, run bz windowed |
| 17:20.41 | Chestal | Tim himself is the maintainer for Debian, right? |
| 17:20.42 | hacim | Chestal: but you said that a bug was fixed after 2.02? |
| 17:20.47 | hacim | Chestal: yeah he is |
| 17:20.48 | Chestal | should do a backport of the fix then |
| 17:20.53 | ToughShooter | What should be "sorta spilt DSL thing"? |
| 17:21.49 | hacim | Chestal: thanks, submitted a bug report |
| 17:22.16 | hacim | just when I got the nvidia stuff sorted out :P |
| 17:22.34 | learner | ToughShooter, its _very_ unlikely you're upload limited on bandwidth |
| 17:22.43 | learner | unless you're on a phone line |
| 17:23.01 | trepan | hacim: you could compile yourself a CVS version ;) |
| 17:23.02 | learner | or a _really_ crappy dsl line |
| 17:23.03 | blast007 | hacim: you could always get the latest CVS code, and compile |
| 17:23.07 | hacim | hehe |
| 17:23.09 | ToughShooter | I am not on a phone line |
| 17:23.21 | blast007 | trepan: heh, beat me to it :) |
| 17:23.22 | hacim | I'll wait a little bit, its better if I dont have bzflag available for my productivity |
| 17:23.39 | learner | ToughShooter, run windowed and just watch the bandwidth in the activity monitor window |
| 17:23.50 | learner | you should be able to see if it spikes or peaks |
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| 17:24.20 | Chestal | I don't think the lag issue is network related |
| 17:24.27 | Chestal | sounds like a GL/scheduling problem to me |
| 17:24.36 | Chestal | but better to check it, of course |
| 17:25.03 | learner | with that high a frame rate.. hrm |
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| 17:26.28 | ToughShooter | I play at 70FPS using 1680*1050 usually |
| 17:28.36 | ToughShooter | ~bzfquery dub.bzflag.org:5157 |
| 17:29.09 | ToughShooter | My own bots would affect performance I suppose |
| 17:31.24 | ToughShooter | When I connect to a local server using 127.0.0.1 and shoot around with GM all other players get high lag + jitter |
| 17:32.06 | ToughShooter | That would rather point to a not upstream related problem, correct? |
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| 17:35.14 | JeffM2501 | does it get better if you turn of the GM trails? |
| 17:38.20 | ToughShooter | ~dict trail |
| 17:38.22 | learner | ToughShooter, it also matters how many bots -- y ou're still going through the loopback interface |
| 17:39.00 | ToughShooter | Hrm |
| 17:39.47 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Do you mean the smoke rings etc? |
| 17:39.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:40.04 | ToughShooter | It gets less high without the effects |
| 17:40.29 | JeffM2501 | what video card? |
| 17:40.46 | ToughShooter | Without effects I usually only reach 350ms lag, with them I can get up to 467 |
| 17:41.01 | ToughShooter | ATI Radeon 9600 128MB SD DDR RAM |
| 17:42.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh good old ATI |
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| 17:45.38 | JeffM2501 | ohh the hardware is fine |
| 17:45.43 | JeffM2501 | state of the art, no way |
| 17:46.07 | jpa_ | compared to my TNT2 atleast :) |
| 17:46.14 | ToughShooter | heh |
| 17:46.43 | JeffM2501 | state of the art is compared to now |
| 17:46.51 | JeffM2501 | the ATI drivers are not the best |
| 17:46.54 | JeffM2501 | what drivers do you have? |
| 17:47.06 | ToughShooter | The ones built in the OS |
| 17:47.31 | JeffM2501 | DRI? |
| 17:47.33 | ToughShooter | There are no drivers for my OS on ATI website, they're already in the OS |
| 17:47.44 | JeffM2501 | ohh your on a mac |
| 17:47.45 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 17:47.50 | JeffM2501 | they are not built in |
| 17:47.56 | JeffM2501 | they are just shiped with and updated with |
| 17:48.03 | JeffM2501 | you can replace drivers if you had to |
| 17:48.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah speed on the mac is "fun" |
| 17:48.29 | ToughShooter | "fun"? |
| 17:49.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:49.34 | JeffM2501 | as in not fun |
| 17:50.58 | blast007 | hmm...there are drivers for OS X on ATI's website.. |
| 17:51.36 | ToughShooter | For cards directly sold by ATI to Costumers |
| 17:51.44 | blast007 | oh |
| 17:52.33 | trepan | those sartorial weirdos |
| 17:52.59 | JeffM2501 | yes I was being funny |
| 17:53.26 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Well, where's the point of your so called joke |
| 17:53.27 | JeffM2501 | time to market for drivers for the mac is a bit longer then other OSs due to the fact that it has to go thru the apple upgrade channel |
| 17:53.44 | JeffM2501 | on the pluss side, they do ensure the highest quality |
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| 17:54.01 | JeffM2501 | but bug fixes and enhancements take forever |
| 17:59.58 | uso | menotume: do you have admin rights on gu? or anybody else? seem to be a cheater there |
| 18:01.35 | meacan | uso: #bzleague is talking about it. No admins seems to be available |
| 18:01.59 | uso | and no poll :( |
| 18:02.56 | Birdie | www.gamesunited.de |
| 18:03.03 | Birdie | complain that he should update the server |
| 18:03.10 | Birdie | and than you can poll |
| 18:03.14 | Birdie | wich we did allready weeks:( |
| 18:04.38 | uso | i have red the thread |
| 18:04.58 | CBG | I am complainign now. |
| 18:05.04 | Birdie | good:) |
| 18:05.06 | uso | if the 5 arguments are not enough ... |
| 18:05.06 | CBG | wait till I post, then just say that you agree., :) |
| 18:05.23 | Birdie | uso: you play under another nick? |
| 18:05.28 | uso | yes |
| 18:05.33 | uso | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.01 | Birdie | ooh |
| 18:06.11 | uso | why ooh? |
| 18:06.58 | Birdie | ooh = i didnt knew, i know now:) |
| 18:07.07 | uso | :) |
| 18:07.10 | meacan | ohh = brain updated. :) |
| 18:08.06 | uso | maybe i should sync this sometimes :) |
| 18:09.55 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: No way to fix it? |
| 18:10.45 | JeffM2501 | ask apple |
| 18:10.56 | learner | heya meacan |
| 18:11.02 | learner | didn't know that was "you" |
| 18:11.10 | learner | missed the name change :) |
| 18:11.30 | meacan | hi learner |
| 18:11.45 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I wasn't asking about the driver situation, I mean the lag thingy |
| 18:11.51 | meacan | how did you figure it was "me" ? Saw a post of mine? |
| 18:11.58 | CBG | learner: you have been away for some months? :P |
| 18:12.04 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 18:12.06 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: The current temperature in Cumming, Georgia (30040) is 101°F (2:10 PM EDT on August 20, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 77°F. UV: 12 out of 16 |
| 18:12.52 | learner | meacan, oh, cvs commits, innuindo (sp), rumors, lies, damn lies, and benchmarks told me |
| 18:20.26 | meacan | ~dict innuindo |
| 18:20.36 | meacan | ~spell innuindo |
| 18:20.46 | meacan | ~dict innuendo |
| 18:28.25 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, it's somehting on our system |
| 18:28.37 | JeffM2501 | if it gets less with out effects, then it's something GM does |
| 18:28.43 | JeffM2501 | probably graphics related |
| 18:33.15 | JeffM2501 | do you have another comptuer to try? |
| 18:49.27 | brlcad | CBG: learner's never away |
| 18:49.49 | brlcad | he's just wierd like that |
| 18:50.00 | CBG | brlcad: well, even I managed to notice meacan.... :P |
| 18:51.01 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:51.57 | CBG | meacan meacan meacan :) |
| 18:53.08 | brlcad | that name reminds me of meat, bacon, and peacans |
| 18:53.18 | CBG | hagh! |
| 18:54.37 | meacan | so what is better, bacan or the dump? |
| 18:54.38 | meacan | :) |
| 18:55.28 | Grumbler | dmp forever |
| 18:55.30 | brlcad | CBG: no you're not, I promise :) |
| 18:55.36 | brlcad | at least not here |
| 18:55.39 | CBG | brlcad: I can /msg :) |
| 18:57.23 | brlcad | meacan: phonetics? how do you pronouce that? |
| 18:57.56 | brlcad | 2 syllables or 3? |
| 18:58.26 | CBG | I think 2... me-can... |
| 18:58.41 | CBG | but more like cun than can :) |
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| 19:02.17 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: On my ibook I get the same sympoms |
| 19:03.43 | ToughShooter | but the ibook only has a Radeon 7500 Mobility (with 32 MB RAM), a 800MHZ PPC750FX and a much slower FSB |
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| 19:12.46 | sussi | hi |
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| 19:41.03 | orchid | JeffM2501: is there a virtual desktop for winxp? one that acts like linux's? (4 desktops) |
| 19:42.46 | JeffM2501 | orchid, what video driver do you have? |
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| 19:43.28 | orchid | hmm shes got an nvidia something, it plays 3d games np |
| 19:43.38 | orchid | cant remember, 5200 or better |
| 19:43.46 | JeffM2501 | if it's nvidia, the current nview in the drivers have virtual desktop |
| 19:43.53 | JeffM2501 | you can tell it how many you want |
| 19:43.53 | orchid | oh |
| 19:43.57 | JeffM2501 | and how to swap between them |
| 19:43.58 | orchid | cool |
| 19:43.59 | brad2901 | You can get a powertoy from microsoft aswell |
| 19:44.01 | JeffM2501 | it works very well |
| 19:44.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:44.09 | brad2901 | I have it |
| 19:44.11 | JeffM2501 | the nvidia one works much better |
| 19:44.20 | JeffM2501 | lots of nice controlls |
| 19:44.20 | orchid | brad is it free? |
| 19:44.24 | brad2901 | yes |
| 19:44.26 | JeffM2501 | they both are |
| 19:44.41 | orchid | ok lemme try the nview |
| 19:44.41 | JeffM2501 | the nvidia one has ways to send a window to any other desktop |
| 19:44.43 | JeffM2501 | or display |
| 19:47.02 | ToughShooter | Aww, I've found a bug: http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bzfi00000cl.jpg |
| 19:47.56 | ToughShooter | My folders on desktop are shining throught the bzflag app in fullscreen mode |
| 19:50.03 | ToughShooter | It's really cruel |
| 19:50.35 | ToughShooter | When I open that picture in any app my things on desktop are shining through it |
| 19:51.02 | orchid | nviews pretty good thanks JeffM2501 |
| 19:51.15 | ToughShooter | the folders reside on the same absolute position when moving the picture but it has to be in the area of water |
| 19:51.23 | blast007 | ToughShooter: hmm...I think I've seen similar things on Windows |
| 19:51.50 | blast007 | one time I PrintScreen'ed Windows Media Player, and the box where the video was did that same thing |
| 19:51.56 | blast007 | I could see right through MS Paint ;) |
| 19:53.10 | ToughShooter | If anyone would be willing to confirm: the map is online at 84.176.45.99:5154 |
| 20:01.29 | orchid | !dict wuss |
| 20:01.30 | TheLastSpartan | orchid: wn: wuss n : a person who is physically weak and ineffectual [syn: {weakling}, {doormat}] |
| 20:02.11 | orchid | ~punch learner |
| 20:02.11 | ibot | ACTION hits learner like the hot kiss and the end of a wet fist |
| 20:02.52 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:04.02 | ToughShooter | Hmm, now the transparency shows the background of other user accounts as well |
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| 20:13.47 | ToughShooter | Eww, it survived a reboot and a clean boot, was even visible while the system was booting. I guess the problem is not bzflag related. :/ |
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| 21:20.10 | RPG_ | howdy CBG |
| 21:20.30 | CBG | Over here we say hi, but it's all good. :) |
| 21:21.39 | CBG | how is raceto7 coming now, RPG_ ? |
| 21:21.52 | RPG_ | read the boards laterly? |
| 21:22.00 | RPG_ | i'm on beta 4 |
| 21:22.13 | RPG_ | any feature suggestionss? |
| 21:22.16 | RPG_ | i'm working on it nwo |
| 21:23.07 | CBG | Beta 4 now? |
| 21:23.46 | CBG | In the other leagues, players often substitute during matches... |
| 21:24.03 | RPG_ | really? |
| 21:24.03 | CBG | Your plugin blocks out any players that were not on red or blue at the start... |
| 21:24.06 | CBG | yes... |
| 21:24.21 | CBG | There needs to be *some* way to allow other players to join... |
| 21:24.26 | CBG | but not willy-nilly.... ;) |
| 21:24.29 | RPG_ | people with the MATCHCONFIG perm can do |
| 21:24.29 | RPG_ | /match config set _allowPlayersDuringMatch true |
| 21:24.39 | RPG_ | that will let them in |
| 21:24.40 | CBG | Keep out the ignorant, but allow other teammembers to substitute... |
| 21:24.56 | CBG | Then every league player needs that perm. |
| 21:25.28 | RPG_ | but with that perm, they can also do |
| 21:25.28 | RPG_ | /match config set _capNum 4 |
| 21:25.31 | CBG | But then we get the problem of the 10yr old league players joining in the middle of a match because the plugin doesnt stop them and they don't know any better... |
| 21:25.47 | CBG | Then make more/separet perms... |
| 21:25.49 | RPG_ | post a feature request on the forum |
| 21:25.52 | CBG | *separate. |
| 21:25.55 | RPG_ | for /match substuite |
| 21:25.57 | CBG | Do I have to? |
| 21:26.01 | RPG_ | yes you do |
| 21:26.02 | CBG | I just told you here. :) |
| 21:26.03 | RPG_ | otherwise i forget |
| 21:26.11 | CBG | ibot logs. :) |
| 21:26.17 | RPG_ | i don't read them |
| 21:26.20 | RPG_ | i'm a busy man! |
| 21:26.35 | CBG | I'll post on the forum: read ibot's log. :) ok? |
| 21:26.52 | RPG_ | nahhh |
| 21:26.56 | RPG_ | to much work |
| 21:26.57 | CBG | since when did 14 == man ? |
| 21:27.06 | RPG_ | boy sound too young |
| 21:27.09 | RPG_ | i'm a busy boy! |
| 21:27.12 | RPG_ | yuck |
| 21:27.20 | RPG_ | boy ends at 10, for all i care |
| 21:27.29 | CBG | hah!! |
| 21:27.33 | CBG | Sounds dodgy. ;) |
| 21:27.57 | CBG | I should post in the Beta3 topic? |
| 21:28.01 | RPG_ | sure |
| 21:28.03 | RPG_ | anywhere i'll see it |
| 21:29.27 | CBG | Done. ;) |
| 21:29.57 | RPG_ | cool |
| 21:30.04 | RPG_ | already there's 3 entries in the beta 4 changelot |
| 21:30.09 | RPG_ | and i've only been workign for 30min. |
| 21:30.28 | CBG | :) |
| 21:30.38 | CBG | SOunds like Beta3 sucked. :) |
| 21:30.45 | RPG_ | not really |
| 21:30.48 | RPG_ | just a ubnch of features |
| 21:31.00 | RPG_ | i've had very few bugs |
| 21:31.03 | RPG_ | and no major bugs |
| 21:31.11 | RPG_ | nothing that makes it crash |
| 21:32.34 | RPG_ | ~dict corfu |
| 21:32.43 | CBG | Greek island.... |
| 21:32.49 | RPG_ | naah |
| 21:32.49 | CBG | wow!! thanks ibot! |
| 21:32.52 | RPG_ | aah |
| 21:33.02 | RPG_ | its in the US though |
| 21:33.05 | RPG_ | says ibot |
| 21:33.07 | RPG_ | near NY |
| 21:33.10 | CBG | ibot is wrong. |
| 21:33.15 | RPG_ | ~dict corfu 2 |
| 21:33.21 | CBG | Or there are 2 corfus :) |
| 21:33.23 | RPG_ | ~dict corfu |
| 21:33.31 | CBG | ~dict 2 corfu |
| 21:33.36 | RPG_ | aah |
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| 22:37.55 | menotume | ~seen bryjen |
| 22:37.56 | ibot | bryjen <n=bryjen@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3d 19h 23m 44s ago, saying: 'in the playHistoryTracker plugin'. |
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| 22:53.26 | geoffrey | hi |
| 22:53.29 | CBG | hi |
| 22:53.31 | RPG_ | howdy |
| 22:53.54 | geoffrey | UGM 'ere |
| 22:54.36 | brad2901 | hi UGM |
| 22:55.40 | meacan | Unknown Geometric Meshes? |
| 22:56.09 | geoffrey | (Un)Guided Missile |
| 22:56.35 | meacan | Flag isnt my style :) |
| 22:57.16 | Birdie | its 1am, meacan comes allive |
| 22:57.35 | CBG | only midnight here :P |
| 22:57.40 | meacan | Its the damn heat |
| 22:57.44 | RPG_ | dude, 6:00 PM |
| 22:57.50 | meacan | im all sticky |
| 22:57.54 | RPG_ | A/C? |
| 22:57.58 | wegstar | huh? 4:00 PM :P |
| 22:58.02 | geoffrey | mienight as well :P: |
| 22:58.07 | meacan | isnt common in dk, RPG |
| 22:58.09 | CBG | meacan, sticky? |
| 22:58.16 | CBG | too much info!! :( |
| 22:58.19 | RPG_ | lol |
| 22:58.44 | CBG | UK the same... |
| 22:58.52 | CBG | We just have fans. :& |
| 22:58.54 | RPG_ | every house has an A/C here |
| 22:58.59 | RPG_ | every single one |
| 22:59.03 | RPG_ | even ones make back in 1950 |
| 22:59.15 | CBG | I dont know anyone who has a/c. :) |
| 22:59.16 | meacan | I dont know anyone who got A/C |
| 22:59.21 | RPG_ | we have 2 |
| 22:59.23 | CBG | ^ snap meacan. |
| 22:59.23 | RPG_ | one for each floor |
| 22:59.26 | CBG | lol |
| 22:59.27 | meacan | only large companies, hotels and stuff got a/c |
| 22:59.31 | CBG | yes... |
| 22:59.31 | geoffrey | mac os x widget... saying who's online on each server :P |
| 22:59.32 | RPG_ | sos |
| 22:59.41 | wegstar | um |
| 22:59.42 | geoffrey | on a specified server :P |
| 22:59.45 | CBG | geoffrey! wow. you made that? |
| 22:59.48 | geoffrey | nah |
| 22:59.56 | geoffrey | i'll have a shot, though |
| 23:00.02 | CBG | Cool! :) |
| 23:00.03 | geoffrey | only just had the idea |
| 23:00.11 | CBG | Would be awesome. ;) |
| 23:00.22 | meacan | I think someone did that awhile ago |
| 23:00.28 | geoffrey | problem: how do i get the server data? |
| 23:00.29 | CBG | really? |
| 23:00.45 | meacan | geoffrey: the same way as all the stats site do it - ask it :) |
| 23:01.00 | meacan | CBG: yeah. But its probably not updated to 2.x version. |
| 23:01.10 | CBG | SHould be... |
| 23:01.15 | meacan | i wish i could remember who it was... |
| 23:01.18 | CBG | widgets only came out for 10.4 |
| 23:01.31 | CBG | after 2.x methinks... |
| 23:01.36 | geoffrey | and that was 29th apr |
| 23:01.42 | geoffrey | 2.0.0 was jan |
| 23:01.43 | meacan | vesion 2.0 of bzflag |
| 23:01.48 | CBG | Yes. :) |
| 23:01.49 | meacan | it was cross platformtoo |
| 23:01.55 | meacan | stupid memory |
| 23:01.58 | CBG | :) |
| 23:03.28 | geoffrey | problem: /me not know perl, so BZflag::Info == Useless to me :( |
| 23:04.49 | meacan | RPG_: you're never seen subs in league matches? |
| 23:05.06 | CBG | he doesnt play any leagues. |
| 23:05.30 | geoffrey | bzflist.php? |
| 23:05.36 | wegstar | yes |
| 23:05.42 | geoffrey | mind linking me? |
| 23:05.47 | geoffrey | or pointing me somewhere? :P |
| 23:05.48 | wegstar | misc |
| 23:05.56 | geoffrey | where? |
| 23:05.56 | wegstar | folder |
| 23:06.02 | wegstar | under bzflag module |
| 23:06.03 | geoffrey | ah |
| 23:06.15 | geoffrey | thanks |
| 23:06.22 | wegstar | :) |
| 23:07.51 | geoffrey | what's the BZflag list server? |
| 23:08.28 | *** join/#bzflag TD-Linux (n=TD-Linux@24-159-197-101.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 23:08.32 | wegstar | it's the "list" of all public bzflag servers... |
| 23:09.07 | TD-Linux | Did you see my post in the 2.0.3b15 thread? |
| 23:09.33 | geoffrey | i know, but what's the URL? |
| 23:09.46 | TD-Linux | my.bzflag.org/servers |
| 23:09.46 | geoffrey | the one in bzlist.php is out of date |
| 23:09.57 | TD-Linux | nvm |
| 23:10.08 | geoffrey | ergh |
| 23:10.15 | geoffrey | tim riker used shorttags |
| 23:10.24 | geoffrey | and I've got shorttags disabled on localhost |
| 23:11.00 | meacan | use .htaccess to enable them :) |
| 23:11.14 | geoffrey | no, I'll improve the coding :) |
| 23:11.25 | geoffrey | and it now fails under E_ALL |
| 23:11.47 | meacan | uhhhhh, im not the only one using error-reporting :) yay |
| 23:12.21 | TD-Linux | where is the code you are talking about? |
| 23:13.01 | geoffrey | Notice: Undefined variable: description in /Library/WebServer/Documents/bzlist.php on line 203 |
| 23:13.07 | geoffrey | serveral hundred times... |
| 23:13.18 | TD-Linux | well... then define it |
| 23:13.19 | geoffrey | TD-Linux: bzflag/misc/bzlist.php |
| 23:13.26 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 23:13.30 | geoffrey | I know I know |
| 23:13.35 | geoffrey | just so many errors to fix :) |
| 23:14.02 | TD-Linux | ...and one global definiton would fix them all ;) |
| 23:14.16 | geoffrey | oh christ |
| 23:14.20 | geoffrey | now more errors |
| 23:14.42 | TD-Linux | try enabling shorttags in case you messed up something in the conversion, or maybe missed something |
| 23:14.59 | geoffrey | Tim, if you read this, can you please check your PHP under E_ALL and shorttags next time? |
| 23:15.17 | geoffrey | nah, all shorttags are converted |
| 23:15.39 | geoffrey | and with registered globals turned off... |
| 23:15.46 | menotume | bzlist.php ? |
| 23:15.52 | menotume | that is not the currnet list server |
| 23:16.15 | TD-Linux | I'm trying bzlist.php on my private web server for myself... |
| 23:16.29 | menotume | the current list server is bzfls.php |
| 23:16.43 | TD-Linux | bzlist.php works perfect on my server |
| 23:16.47 | menotume | did you just rename it ? |
| 23:16.49 | TD-Linux | running it gives me a list of servers |
| 23:17.08 | meacan | TD-Linux: did you set error-reporting to E_ALL ? |
| 23:17.11 | menotume | k |
| 23:17.11 | geoffrey | Notice: Undefined index: style in /Library/WebServer/Documents/bzlist.php on line 111 |
| 23:17.19 | geoffrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.21 | geoffrey | umm? |
| 23:17.35 | geoffrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.35 | geoffrey | ? |
| 23:17.38 | TD-Linux | can you revert to the original version? |
| 23:17.42 | TD-Linux | it works fine for me |
| 23:17.52 | TD-Linux | unless you are using modified code... |
| 23:17.57 | geoffrey | means changing the php settings :P |
| 23:18.05 | meacan | geoffrey: Dont do that, it would break the code :) |
| 23:18.10 | geoffrey | I've got E_ALL on, and shorttags disabled |
| 23:18.22 | TD-Linux | so...demanding...to...enable...shorttags... |
| 23:18.28 | meacan | geoffrey: if( isset($server['style']) && $server['style'] & 0x0001) would be better |
| 23:18.38 | geoffrey | thanks |
| 23:19.14 | geoffrey | TD-Linux: well coded PHP should work how my server is set up though ;) |
| 23:19.33 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 23:19.40 | meacan | geoffrey: remember safemode too :) |
| 23:19.45 | TD-Linux | bzlist.php dosen't seem to sort entries in any specific order... |
| 23:20.58 | geoffrey | echo "maxPlayers: " . $server['maxPlayers'] . "\n"; |
| 23:21.02 | geoffrey | Notice: Undefined index: maxPlayers in /Library/WebServer/Documents/bzlist.php on line 121 |
| 23:21.06 | geoffrey | help? |
| 23:21.23 | TD-Linux | hmmm... |
| 23:21.35 | TD-Linux | sounds familiar to the 'style' problem |
| 23:21.40 | TD-Linux | try the isset() thing |
| 23:22.30 | TD-Linux | isset($server['maxPlayers] && $server['maxPlayers'] might work |
| 23:22.47 | TD-Linux | however, it sounds like your code isn't talking with the list server? |
| 23:23.05 | geoffrey | it is |
| 23:23.10 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 23:23.13 | geoffrey | sort of |
| 23:23.19 | geoffrey | it's buggy, meaning it isn't :) |
| 23:23.28 | TD-Linux | strange that those variables aren't being set, then |
| 23:23.47 | geoffrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.47 | geoffrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.47 | geoffrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.47 | geoffrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.47 | geoffrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.50 | geoffrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.52 | geoffrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.55 | geoffrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.57 | geoffrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.00 | geoffrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.02 | geoffrey | neither of those cases are being met |
| 23:24.41 | TD-Linux | gg2g |
| 23:24.58 | CBG | bye TD. :) |
| 23:25.05 | geoffrey | bye |
| 23:25.08 | geoffrey | I give up :P |
| 23:25.11 | geoffrey | too badly coded. |
| 23:25.15 | *** join/#bzflag BenUrban (n=benurban@68.50.155.230) |
| 23:25.28 | CBG | Hey BennyBoy! |
| 23:25.29 | geoffrey | + I should be working on a custom CMS :P |
| 23:30.43 | geoffrey | sigh... |
| 23:30.48 | geoffrey | making a custom CMS is so fun |
| 23:31.16 | CBG | :D |
| 23:32.02 | geoffrey | it's even more depressing having to look at the original version, showing yourself how badly you coded 6 months ago |
| 23:33.22 | CBG | lol |
| 23:33.53 | meacan | is it depressing knowing that you got better? :) |
| 23:34.13 | geoffrey | no, but just looking at the horrid code depress me |
| 23:34.38 | geoffrey | it's not that it doesn't run on E_ALL, or require shorttags or register_globals |
| 23:34.44 | geoffrey | it's how messy it is |
| 23:34.51 | geoffrey | no identing |
| 23:34.56 | geoffrey | *indenting |
| 23:35.03 | meacan | i got 5 years old php code i still maintain. (was my first php project).. I would do it in another way now, but im too lazy to change it. It works :) |
| 23:36.04 | meacan | or rather, im too impatience to rewrite it |
| 23:36.12 | meacan | i'd rather go with some existing system |
| 23:36.14 | geoffrey | i started to redo my first ever PHP script (1 and a half years old), and couldn't be bothered |
| 23:36.22 | geoffrey | but I needed to redo it to keep the site up |
| 23:36.28 | geoffrey | so I just threw it in the bin :P |
| 23:36.36 | meacan | :) |
| 23:36.45 | meacan | My code uses all the new wonders of php3 :) |
| 23:36.49 | wegstar | :) |
| 23:37.16 | geoffrey | my code uses variables stored in various files instead of a database :P |
| 23:37.23 | meacan | eik |
| 23:37.31 | geoffrey | code by a 11 year old kid, not bad, eh? :P |
| 23:37.38 | BenUrban | heh |
| 23:37.44 | geoffrey | now that I'm 13 it's a bit better :P |
| 23:37.46 | meacan | Nah, guess not. |
| 23:37.47 | meacan | hehe |
| 23:37.50 | geoffrey | like, actually using a database :P |
| 23:38.05 | geoffrey | like, knowing WTF MySQL is :P |
| 23:39.17 | geoffrey | i've only got a cut lip |
| 23:39.19 | *** join/#bzflag thonuz (n=45b4d07a@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:39.28 | meacan | One of the reasons that my code is still alive, is that i seperated layout and code. Almost everywhere. Unfortunaly i didnt throw errorcodes and small messages in the layout-part so my speration isnt as clean as i would like. |
| 23:39.32 | thonuz | hi. i got a problem. |
| 23:39.36 | wegstar | yes? |
| 23:39.41 | thonuz | All my shots go through |
| 23:40.01 | wegstar | through where? |
| 23:40.13 | thonuz | through other tanks |
| 23:40.13 | geoffrey | my body |
| 23:40.29 | wegstar | oh |
| 23:40.31 | thonuz | i can shoot myself or others can shoot me |
| 23:40.41 | thonuz | im in linux debian |
| 23:40.44 | wegstar | but. .you can't kill them? |
| 23:40.50 | thonuz | correct |
| 23:40.59 | wegstar | have you been messing with the code? ;) |
| 23:41.05 | thonuz | im installing it on windows partition to see |
| 23:41.08 | thonuz | nothing |
| 23:41.13 | wegstar | ok... |
| 23:41.15 | geoffrey | meacan: http://pastebin.com/341920 - my version of a database :) |
| 23:41.16 | thonuz | im on comcast cable |
| 23:41.31 | thonuz | wireless notebook |
| 23:41.48 | meacan | geoffrey: its not that bad :) I've seen worse :) |
| 23:42.18 | wegstar | :P |
| 23:42.28 | geoffrey | meacan: I dunno why I started everything with $str :P |
| 23:42.55 | wegstar | thonuz: dunno.. compile it again? |
| 23:42.59 | geoffrey | meacan: using the database: http://pastebin.com/341922 |
| 23:43.44 | meacan | hehee |
| 23:44.01 | geoffrey | now, moving on to late '04 |
| 23:44.07 | geoffrey | when I"m now 12 |
| 23:44.19 | geoffrey | and am regretting choosing to do that |
| 23:44.24 | geoffrey | wishing I did a database |
| 23:44.26 | thonuz | works in windows so its not comcast |
| 23:44.33 | thonuz | ill try reinstalling |
| 23:44.35 | geoffrey | so, parsing a excel XML file |
| 23:44.39 | thonuz | compiling |
| 23:44.53 | geoffrey | http://pastebin.com/341924 |
| 23:45.45 | meacan | "// Annoying Code (a.k.a. DON'T TOUCH)" :) |
| 23:45.48 | geoffrey | :) |
| 23:46.14 | meacan | what wonders a loop can do for you :) |
| 23:46.21 | geoffrey | hehe |
| 23:46.34 | geoffrey | easier ways to parse Excel exported data than that :) |
| 23:47.22 | meacan | yup |
| 23:47.35 | geoffrey | now, one last thing: http://blog.geoffers.uni.cc/ |
| 23:47.40 | geoffrey | Age 13 |
| 23:49.13 | CBG | You made the theme/skin? |
| 23:49.20 | meacan | mostly wordpress |
| 23:52.05 | *** join/#bzflag SiriusB (n=SiriusB@35.Red-81-33-243.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:52.49 | geoffrey | i made the theme, yes |
| 23:53.07 | CBG | :) Nice, clean... I like.:) |
| 23:53.17 | geoffrey | thanks :) |
| 23:53.18 | CBG | I want to make my own for www.cannonballguy.com. :) |
| 23:53.22 | CBG | perhaps you can help |
| 23:53.36 | geoffrey | prehaps, but not now |
| 23:53.44 | geoffrey | I need to get on with my CMS |
| 23:53.56 | CBG | Sure. ;) I am off now anyway. |
| 23:54.07 | geoffrey | anybody else with perms on viper's here? |
| 23:54.37 | CBG | I am a VIP there |
| 23:54.45 | geoffrey | VIP? |
| 23:54.47 | geoffrey | like trusted? |
| 23:54.52 | CBG | yeah. |
| 23:55.08 | geoffrey | you mind going on for a short bit |
| 23:55.11 | geoffrey | say 5 min? |
| 23:55.24 | CBG | Ok. |
| 23:55.27 | wegstar | :) |
