| 00:15.04 | JeffM2501 | There is a litle black spot on the sun today. |
| 00:15.12 | JeffM2501 | It's the same old thing as yesterday. |
| 00:20.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (7 files in 2 dirs): little split and cleanup in client main code, just to make it not all nasty phat. |
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| 00:58.19 | orchid | http://criticalmass.sourceforge.net fun game :) |
| 01:15.46 | Aribeth | kinda like the old asteroids game |
| 01:16.29 | orchid | but with techno! |
| 01:16.40 | Aribeth | ya |
| 01:23.18 | wegstar | hm |
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| 01:56.36 | bryjen | hmm |
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| 02:21.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/clientConfig.cxx: need these includes on Linux too |
| 02:24.16 | JeffM2501 | did I miss some? |
| 02:24.35 | bryjen | they were ifdef win32 |
| 02:24.46 | JeffM2501 | I thought I pulled the else case too |
| 02:25.13 | JeffM2501 | sorry bout that |
| 02:25.28 | JeffM2501 | just trying to maintain a slow cleanup |
| 02:25.45 | bryjen | if you were just cut-n-pasting, i donno how it got outta whack |
| 02:25.57 | JeffM2501 | simple, I screwed up :) |
| 02:29.10 | bryjen | yeah, there was an ifdef win32 ; include 1,2,3,4 ; else include 5,6 ; endif. I needed headers 2 and 3 as well, so i moved 'em out of the if |
| 02:29.22 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 02:29.28 | JeffM2501 | I musta pasted wierd then |
| 02:29.36 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 02:30.02 | JeffM2501 | I did have 2 beers and a couple margaritas at lunch |
| 02:30.45 | bryjen | yeah. I saw the singing ;) |
| 02:30.57 | JeffM2501 | ") |
| 02:34.04 | JeffM2501 | time to make the lamest plugin ever |
| 02:34.31 | menotume | /echo ? |
| 02:34.39 | JeffM2501 | nope /kickme |
| 02:34.43 | menotume | lol |
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| 02:37.23 | menotume | JeffM2501: when you did "/score reset", was there a permiss to go along with it ? |
| 02:37.48 | JeffM2501 | no there wasbn't |
| 02:37.53 | JeffM2501 | perms are busted for it |
| 02:37.59 | JeffM2501 | plugins can't do new persm |
| 02:38.00 | menotume | ahh |
| 02:38.08 | menotume | k |
| 02:38.12 | JeffM2501 | and it wasn't /score reset it was /scorereset |
| 02:38.16 | JeffM2501 | no spaces in / commands |
| 02:38.19 | menotume | ok |
| 02:38.34 | JeffM2501 | my entire "is admin"thing is screwed |
| 02:38.38 | menotume | yeah, perms are loaded at startup i guess |
| 02:38.45 | JeffM2501 | they are |
| 02:38.55 | JeffM2501 | I want to add the ability to define custom perms |
| 02:39.02 | menotume | kewl |
| 02:39.15 | JeffM2501 | basicly if somone adds a perm that isn't known to a group or user, it'll be stored as a string |
| 02:39.20 | JeffM2501 | then plugins can test against them |
| 02:40.19 | menotume | ahhh, they're all 'predefined/parsed' now ? |
| 02:40.34 | menotume | oh yeah, nvm - i saw them |
| 02:40.35 | JeffM2501 | they are parsed and turned into an enumeraton |
| 02:40.39 | menotume | right |
| 02:40.53 | JeffM2501 | it's a stupid bool list |
| 02:40.57 | JeffM2501 | don't like how it's done now |
| 02:41.11 | JeffM2501 | could be done with strings and a hash |
| 02:41.16 | JeffM2501 | be automatical |
| 02:41.42 | menotume | yep |
| 02:41.55 | JeffM2501 | maybe one day |
| 02:41.58 | JeffM2501 | after the purge |
| 02:41.58 | menotume | and, no need to add it to the enum, etc. |
| 02:42.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:42.17 | JeffM2501 | it's all going thru accessors anyway |
| 02:43.25 | menotume | yeah, hasPerm or something |
| 02:44.02 | JeffM2501 | can easly make each enum into a precomputed hash |
| 02:44.07 | JeffM2501 | for the commonly used one |
| 02:44.41 | menotume | i wouldn't think that it's a speed issue |
| 02:44.47 | menotume | not used that often |
| 02:45.01 | JeffM2501 | no it's not |
| 02:45.14 | JeffM2501 | but "someone(TM)" would complain |
| 02:46.25 | menotume | hehe |
| 02:47.03 | menotume | isn't Tradmark abbreviated TR ? |
| 02:47.31 | menotume | oh, did I say that out loud ? |
| 02:47.57 | JeffM2501 | no it's a TradeMark |
| 02:48.02 | JeffM2501 | your thinking of just R |
| 02:48.06 | JeffM2501 | for registered |
| 02:48.20 | menotume | :) was kidding |
| 02:48.24 | JeffM2501 | but I bet there are many variations |
| 02:50.31 | bryjen | TheMan |
| 02:50.38 | menotume | ahhhh :) |
| 02:57.25 | bryjen | why did you do it? |
| 02:57.31 | JeffM2501 | just it's name |
| 02:58.08 | JeffM2501 | I could not use /killme because bz hits it as /kill first |
| 02:58.25 | JeffM2501 | so it got an explitive |
| 02:58.28 | orange | /suicide |
| 02:58.31 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 02:59.21 | menotume | actually, that can be useful in ctf matches |
| 02:59.43 | bryjen | uhm |
| 02:59.49 | menotume | for a spawn |
| 03:00.00 | bryjen | f? |
| 03:00.16 | JeffM2501 | f |
| 03:00.18 | menotume | many times we shoot ourselves (rico) |
| 03:00.21 | JeffM2501 | f me |
| 03:00.23 | menotume | to spawn elsewhere |
| 03:00.27 | bryjen | is there an option "plenty" ? |
| 03:00.31 | bryjen | ;) |
| 03:00.40 | menotume | /hyperspace |
| 03:00.42 | JeffM2501 | no but it will take -hard |
| 03:04.08 | JeffM2501 | hmm when you /kick somone do they see the reason? or does just everyone else? |
| 03:05.20 | bryjen | it goes to stdout |
| 03:07.09 | bryjen | or maybe not. |
| 03:07.47 | JeffM2501 | it sends a real message first |
| 03:07.55 | JeffM2501 | just to admins |
| 03:07.56 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 03:08.02 | JeffM2501 | the pluigin kick wasn't |
| 03:08.04 | bryjen | the code for the /kick command explictly sends a message first |
| 03:08.05 | JeffM2501 | I'm fixing it |
| 03:08.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:08.14 | JeffM2501 | I'm adding that to plugin |
| 03:08.19 | JeffM2501 | controled by the notify bool |
| 03:09.58 | bryjen | one to the victim, and one to the Admins |
| 03:10.12 | JeffM2501 | ahh so there is a victim message |
| 03:10.15 | JeffM2501 | let me send that too |
| 03:11.00 | bryjen | src/bzfs/commands.cxx:706 i = the player being kicked |
| 03:11.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah the "you have been kicked from the server by..." |
| 03:19.32 | bryjen | ~cia |
| 03:19.32 | ibot | rumour has it, cia is a CVS/Subversion commit notification bot run on #commits among other channels, originally by scanline, http://cia.navi.cx/, or the Central Intelligence Agency, but the bot is more important. ;) |
| 03:22.02 | JeffM2501 | dude you killed it |
| 03:22.58 | bryjen | it's cover was blown |
| 03:23.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
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| 03:24.04 | scanlime | problems with the linode admins again :P |
| 03:24.08 | JeffM2501 | so what do you think bout a plugin forum? |
| 03:24.13 | bryjen | that url hasn't worked the last couple times i tried tonight |
| 03:29.07 | scanlime | heh. this was my secondary nick for a while. I guess I forgot to change back, and it stuck |
| 03:30.33 | blast007 | JeffM2501: maybe one forum for plugin releases, and one for plugin help/compiling/development? |
| 03:30.59 | JeffM2501 | did just one now |
| 03:31.07 | JeffM2501 | we can make a release one when more are made |
| 03:31.13 | blast007 | k |
| 03:35.29 | JeffM2501 | and it even has posts in it :) |
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| 03:59.58 | RPG_ | i b back |
| 04:00.15 | blast007 | :) |
| 04:00.25 | RPG_ | ~RPG |
| 04:00.26 | ibot | Role Playing Game |
| 04:00.32 | RPG_ | ~karma RPG |
| 04:00.32 | ibot | rpg has karma of 10 |
| 04:03.15 | JeffM2501 | your bug is fixed |
| 04:03.20 | RPG_ | i saw, thx |
| 04:03.30 | RPG_ | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 04:06.22 | RPG_ | hehe, a sample plugin |
| 04:06.43 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 04:06.53 | RPG_ | in CVS, the SAMPLE_PLUGIN |
| 04:06.56 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 04:07.00 | JeffM2501 | it's very important |
| 04:07.02 | JeffM2501 | read the docs |
| 04:07.14 | RPG_ | i never knew .sln and .vcproj were ASCII |
| 04:07.26 | JeffM2501 | XML |
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| 04:11.17 | RPG_ | say I type "/match reset". Would "bzApiString _command" contain "match" or "match reset"? |
| 04:11.17 | RPG_ | RaceToSeven::handle ( int playerID, bzApiString _command, bzApiString _message ) |
| 04:11.59 | JeffM2501 | reset |
| 04:12.21 | RPG_ | you mean it'd match the second argument |
| 04:12.33 | JeffM2501 | if you did /match reset your mom |
| 04:12.38 | JeffM2501 | it woudl contain |
| 04:12.41 | JeffM2501 | reset your mom |
| 04:12.56 | RPG_ | then what does bzApiString _message contain? |
| 04:13.16 | JeffM2501 | the part after the commaind |
| 04:13.17 | JeffM2501 | I think |
| 04:13.30 | JeffM2501 | can't look now |
| 04:13.34 | RPG_ | ok |
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| 04:59.13 | uso | ~bzfquery |
| 04:59.24 | uso | ~bzfstats |
| 04:59.32 | uso | ~bzfstat |
| 05:00.00 | uso | oops, what was the command to show the server summary? |
| 05:00.08 | uso | ~bzflist |
| 05:00.16 | uso | :) |
| 05:01.17 | uso | does this also count observer? |
| 05:01.42 | uso | i get only 79/12 |
| 05:02.24 | uso | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 05:04.23 | uso | ~bzflist |
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| 05:59.40 | silverfx | if one wanted to learn to use diff to compare various things, where would one start? |
| 05:59.57 | silverfx | Today I want to compare two router configs |
| 06:03.43 | uso | using it :) |
| 06:03.56 | uso | there's not really much to learn with diff |
| 06:03.58 | purple_cow | the man page is good, but it's pretty self explanatory |
| 06:04.53 | uso | there are a few usefull options e.g. to handle spaces in different formatting, but that's mostly all |
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| 07:11.53 | Pimpinella | purple_cow: ping |
| 07:14.44 | Pimpinella | DTRemenak: you around? |
| 07:15.11 | DTRemenak | whoa, someone's asking for me |
| 07:15.12 | DTRemenak | crazy |
| 07:15.18 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 07:15.50 | DTRemenak | yeah, I'm around |
| 07:15.53 | DTRemenak | what do you need? |
| 07:16.18 | Pimpinella | using -loadplugin syntay is "-loadplugin pluginName,pluginArgs" correct? |
| 07:16.44 | DTRemenak | no idea |
| 07:16.47 | DTRemenak | ask jeff :) |
| 07:17.18 | Pimpinella | hm, thought you might know, i saw you doing stuff on bzfsAPI... |
| 07:17.32 | Pimpinella | so i'm looking for it myself ;) |
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| 07:45.13 | purple_cow | Pimpinella: pong |
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| 07:58.03 | quantumdot | hello, i need a bzbb admin .... plz |
| 08:03.55 | quantumdot | I changed my bzbb profile to update my email address and i clicked the link to re-activate my account "quantum dot" but i cant login in again. Passwd was not changed, just my email. Can any admin help plz? |
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| 08:49.41 | Pimpinella | purple_cow: the loadplugin syntax seems to be like "-loadplugin pluginName,pluginArg" if i want more args like "-loadplugin pluginName,pluginArg1,Arg2,Arg3" only Arg1 seems to pe passsed to the plugin. dou you know if there's a reason for this? if not i'd call tokenize with maxTokens = 2 instead |
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| 09:14.24 | purple_cow | Pimpinella: i dunno, ask jeff ;) |
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| 09:41.45 | Pimpinella | argh |
| 09:42.29 | Pimpinella | was worth the try, you at least used that feature |
| 09:45.40 | purple_cow | used to |
| 09:45.42 | purple_cow | don't anymore |
| 09:46.01 | purple_cow | and never with more than one argument |
| 09:52.22 | Pimpinella | don't anymore? |
| 09:52.36 | Pimpinella | thought for the python plugin? |
| 09:55.35 | purple_cow | that uses the new extension stuff now |
| 09:55.45 | purple_cow | so you -loadplugin python.so -loadplugin test.py |
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| 10:07.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: allow a comma separated list of arguments instead of only allowing one argument to be passed to plugins |
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| 10:54.00 | menotume | quantumdot: pingy |
| 10:54.15 | Tupone | menotume: pongy |
| 10:54.20 | Tupone | bad address :( |
| 10:54.24 | menotume | lol |
| 10:56.27 | _Manu_ | CIA.. talk |
| 10:56.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Added playername to messages logs |
| 10:56.41 | _Manu_ | CIA-3, thanks :) |
| 11:26.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: bzfsAPI events for /hostban /kick and /kill |
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| 11:27.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: bzfsAPI events for /hostban /kick and /kill |
| 11:39.28 | menotume | now, here's an example of a well-admined server: http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/needadmin.png |
| 11:43.05 | _Manu_ | meacan, wow -5 ;-p |
| 11:43.15 | _Manu_ | menotume, wow -5 ;-p |
| 11:43.17 | menotume | lol |
| 11:43.26 | _Manu_ | meacan, forgot it :) |
| 11:43.55 | menotume | the olllllld m-e-tab trick |
| 11:44.22 | _Manu_ | all the players shows one ear :) |
| 11:44.30 | menotume | hehe |
| 11:44.34 | _Manu_ | ear -> @ |
| 11:45.20 | _Manu_ | what were you doing, waiting for a cheater? hehe |
| 11:45.32 | menotume | :) |
| 11:45.56 | menotume | we kicked all the non-admins to get the screenshot :D |
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| 12:37.08 | RatOmeter_ | space shuttle is down safe |
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| 13:23.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: make /kill use any data changed by a plugin |
| 13:31.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (11 files in 4 dirs): our regex.h conflict with system wide. Renaming |
| 13:31.35 | Tupone | DTRemenak: would you mind updating windows project files ? |
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| 14:34.30 | Birdie | hey sportchick |
| 14:35.17 | SportChick | hi birdie |
| 14:35.31 | SportChick | will you check something for me? see if you can get to http://www.kirkanddonna.com/ |
| 14:35.37 | Grumbler | hi SportChick , hi Birdie :) |
| 14:35.38 | SportChick | it's timing out for me |
| 14:35.41 | SportChick | hi grumbler |
| 14:35.56 | Birdie | pull! |
| 14:36.03 | Birdie | (checking the site) |
| 14:36.09 | RedBaron2 | hey SC |
| 14:36.12 | Grumbler | no need to worry Birdie, SportChick took all my skeet equipment |
| 14:36.25 | SportChick | hi redbaron2 |
| 14:36.27 | Birdie | cant go to the site |
| 14:36.34 | SportChick | okay, I'll email our provider |
| 14:36.36 | Birdie | ~sporthick++ |
| 14:36.38 | SportChick | ty birdie |
| 14:36.48 | SportChick | SportHick? |
| 14:36.49 | orange | interesting typo |
| 14:36.50 | SportChick | hehe |
| 14:36.50 | Birdie | to take all grumblers skeet equipment |
| 14:36.54 | Birdie | oh sorry |
| 14:36.55 | SportChick | ~Birdie++ |
| 14:36.59 | RedBaron2 | ol |
| 14:37.00 | Birdie | ~sportchick++ |
| 14:37.03 | Grumbler | yep its dead |
| 14:37.04 | Birdie | thats better:) |
| 14:37.12 | RedBaron2 | yea, i got the same thing |
| 14:38.47 | Birdie | the typing mistake was really an accident |
| 14:39.31 | Birdie | au you make me look evil now:) |
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| 14:40.13 | Grumbler | .....must be hard to find enough roadkill in LA to server dinner |
| 14:40.20 | RedBaron2 | lol |
| 14:40.25 | TD-Linux | ? |
| 14:40.33 | TD-Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.46 | TD-Linux | dosen't work yet, don't know when they will fix it |
| 14:40.57 | TD-Linux | :P |
| 14:41.00 | SportChick | !lart Grumbler |
| 14:41.11 | Birdie | ~kill grumbler |
| 14:41.11 | ibot | ACTION shoots a excited electron gun at grumbler |
| 14:41.14 | Birdie | yay |
| 14:41.47 | Grumbler | you could just buy some chicken in the store and drive over a few times.......i hear it brings out the true flavour of firestone |
| 14:42.05 | SportChick | ~castrate grumbler |
| 14:42.06 | ibot | grumbler: say AAAAAAAAAAAARRGGH! |
| 14:42.14 | Grumbler | ouch |
| 14:42.23 | Birdie | lol! |
| 14:42.26 | RedBaron2 | lmao.. |
| 14:42.43 | SportChick | hehe, didn't know if it would do that :) |
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| 14:43.14 | Grumbler | sure, you say that now.........evil, just evil |
| 14:43.56 | SportChick | hrm...the dry-fried shredded beef...or maybe...no, I just made chicken cordon bleu recently... |
| 14:44.14 | Grumbler | shredded beef |
| 14:44.54 | RedBaron2 | chicken cordon bleu |
| 14:44.58 | Grumbler | cordon bleu seems heavy for summer |
| 14:45.00 | RedBaron2 | mmmm |
| 14:45.00 | SportChick | let's see...I've made her the chicken scallopini before...and the pecan-crusted salmon too.. don't have enough time to make chicken lab... |
| 14:45.44 | Grumbler | i guess mac truck shredded possuum is not on the list :) |
| 14:45.52 | SportChick | stroganoff is her daughter's recipe, so I won't make that.. empanadas take forever... |
| 14:46.03 | Grumbler | fondue ! |
| 14:46.38 | SportChick | no, they serve fondue exclusively on christmas eve - it's a tradition |
| 14:46.41 | orange | homemade lobster ravioli |
| 14:47.00 | SportChick | london broil is a possibility... ravioli takes too long - I gotta work today |
| 14:47.13 | orange | man I almost suggested london broil when you first asked... |
| 14:47.18 | orange | but I didn't know if you might be vegetarian :-) |
| 14:47.23 | SportChick | don't have the ribs for korean ribs, so that's out.. lasagna...errr too heavy |
| 14:47.26 | Grumbler | still sounds heavy for summer |
| 14:47.26 | orange | london broil is awesome |
| 14:47.43 | orange | with asparagus |
| 14:47.44 | SportChick | could do ..no, I've made the shrimp cakes before.. |
| 14:47.45 | SportChick | grrr |
| 14:47.54 | SportChick | we just had wienerschnitzel so that's out |
| 14:48.22 | Grumbler | sauerkraut and brauts |
| 14:48.30 | SportChick | that leaves me with dry fried shredded beef, szechuan chicken, three-pepper beef tenderloin or veggie enchiladas |
| 14:48.50 | RedBaron2 | hmmm veggie enchiladas? |
| 14:50.24 | SportChick | orange: hubby hates asparagus, though I serve it sometimes anyway |
| 14:50.36 | SportChick | it's great marinated in olive oil & lemon and then grilled |
| 14:50.50 | Aribeth | New York strip is good |
| 14:50.55 | Grumbler | lightly steamed green beans |
| 14:51.07 | SportChick | Aribeth: we're not RICH here! ;) |
| 14:51.08 | Aribeth | yummm |
| 14:51.10 | orange | sportchick... yes, try adding a little soy sauce to your marinade for the asparagus |
| 14:51.26 | SportChick | orange: ooo that sounds good |
| 14:51.27 | orange | before grilling |
| 14:51.29 | orange | mmmm |
| 14:51.39 | Grumbler | beer nuts |
| 14:51.42 | SportChick | I think I'm gonna go with the dry-fried beef |
| 14:52.01 | RedBaron2 | that sounds like a good choice |
| 14:52.03 | Grumbler | three pepper salad |
| 14:52.05 | SportChick | tho the prep time for that is huge cuz you have to cut the beef into matchstick sized pieces |
| 14:52.34 | Aribeth | red wine, balsamic vinigar, a little cajun spice, 1 teaspoon of mustard makes a good marinade |
| 14:52.49 | SportChick | Grumbler: that was three-pepper beef tenderlion, not salad (using black, white & cayenne pepper) |
| 14:53.36 | Aribeth | and it dosnt take a long time to marinade the meat |
| 14:53.46 | Grumbler | three pepper salad - red/green/yellow bell peppers, one nasty hot vietmanese pepper, <1/2 cup sugar, white vinegar, pineapple, soak for an hour.....remove vie.pepper before serving |
| 14:53.49 | SportChick | sounds yummy arti -w hat's that for? |
| 14:53.55 | SportChick | hrm |
| 14:54.02 | SportChick | Grumbler: that sounds good too |
| 14:54.10 | Aribeth | any kind of meat, beef, chicken, etc |
| 14:54.20 | SportChick | but I think I don't want my mom-in-law running out of the house screaming |
| 14:55.02 | Grumbler | you could sub a jalapeno, or a habanero, but you control the heat with how long you soak it |
| 14:55.35 | Grumbler | the viet peppers are amazing in the way they distribute their heat to other things |
| 15:01.18 | TheRedBaron | toddles? |
| 15:01.33 | TheRedBaron | kinda like waddles? but...? |
| 15:01.42 | SportChick | !dict toddle |
| 15:01.43 | TheLastSpartan | SportChick: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Toddle \Tod"dle\, n. A toddling walk. --Trollope. [1913 Webster]; wn: toddle v : walk unsteadily; "small children toddle" [syn: {coggle}, {totter}, {dodder}, {paddle}, {waddle}]; gcide: Toddle \Tod"dle\, v. i. [imp. & p. p. {Toddled}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Toddling}.] [Akin to tottle, totter.] To walk with short, tottering steps, (3 more messages) |
| 15:01.54 | SportChick | !more |
| 15:01.54 | TheLastSpartan | SportChick: as a child. [1913 Webster]; moby-thes: 100 Moby Thesaurus words for "toddle": amble, barge, bowl along, bundle, claudicate, clump, crawl, creep, dogtrot, drag, drag along, drag out, droop, flounce, foot, footslog, gait, gallop, go dead slow, go slow, halt, hippety-hop, hitch, hobble, hop, idle, inch, inch along, jog, jog-trot, jolt, jump, laze, limp, lock step, lumber, lunge, (2 more messages) |
| 15:02.01 | RedBaron2 | don't bump her..she might fall over.. |
| 15:02.07 | SportChick | cya from work |
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| 15:15.03 | TD-Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.07 | TD-Linux | nope, still not fixed |
| 15:15.21 | TD-Linux | ;) |
| 15:15.37 | Tupone | no space in front ... |
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| 15:15.42 | Tupone | /op TD-Linux |
| 15:15.52 | TD-Linux | I know |
| 15:16.01 | TD-Linux | but it's supposed to make me op |
| 15:16.01 | Tupone | :/ |
| 15:16.05 | TD-Linux | ;) |
| 15:16.13 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 15:16.15 | ibunny | YOUR LOVELY GIRL has arrive! |
| 15:16.21 | TD-Linux | that's nice |
| 15:16.37 | TD-Linux | #masterbot is boring |
| 15:16.49 | ibunny | tupo!!! |
| 15:16.54 | Tupone | hola ibunny |
| 15:16.57 | ibunny | op me !! |
| 15:16.58 | ibunny | :D |
| 15:17.07 | Tupone | I wish I could |
| 15:17.14 | TD-Linux | If you ask, you don't get it |
| 15:17.25 | TD-Linux | Only people with the chanserv password can permenantly op you |
| 15:17.28 | ibunny | haha trust me i have got it |
| 15:17.50 | TD-Linux | Yes, I have asked for the server password at some servers and got it ;) |
| 15:17.56 | ibunny | u can op if u have ops |
| 15:17.57 | ibunny | anyhow.. |
| 15:18.06 | Tupone | /op TD-Linux |
| 15:18.08 | ibunny | but not permanently |
| 15:18.14 | Tupone | /op ibunny |
| 15:18.15 | TD-Linux | how do you make it show up like that? |
| 15:18.18 | Tupone | does not work |
| 15:18.18 | ibunny | no its /cs op #bzflag nick |
| 15:18.25 | TD-Linux | how do you make it appear? |
| 15:18.31 | Tupone | :) |
| 15:18.34 | ibunny | well well depends the client |
| 15:18.36 | ibunny | anyhow. |
| 15:18.40 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o Tupone] by Tupone |
| 15:18.41 | TD-Linux | X-Chat? |
| 15:18.45 | TD-Linux | phhh |
| 15:18.46 | ibunny | yeah |
| 15:18.49 | TD-Linux | why did you di that? |
| 15:18.54 | ibunny | its /cs op #bzflag nick |
| 15:20.14 | Tupone | ibunny, ibunny |
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| 15:55.39 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: |
| 15:55.39 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: use a plugin's mods in /kick too |
| 15:55.39 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: /ban and /hostban are still to follow |
| 15:57.33 | Pimpinella | no log e-mails from sf anymore :/ |
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| 15:58.55 | SportyGal | Aribeth: http://www.kirkanddonna.com/donna/Cooking.htm |
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| 16:30.00 | orchid | anyone else getting cvs update error: connect to host cvs.sf.net port 22: Connection refused? |
| 16:30.36 | orchid | SportyGal: looks good, I might try the salmon one, except with bass |
| 16:30.44 | Birdie | hey orchid, nice to see you |
| 16:30.50 | orchid | hi Birdie |
| 16:30.53 | menotume | you cn see her ? |
| 16:31.21 | menotume | orchid: yes, i get the same error |
| 16:31.34 | orchid | not anymore he cant |
| 16:31.39 | menotume | :) |
| 16:31.42 | JeffM2501 | orchid, yeah |
| 16:32.03 | orchid | ok, I thought id been banned from sf :) |
| 16:32.07 | orchid | again |
| 16:32.08 | menotume | lol |
| 16:32.12 | JeffM2501 | why woudl you be baned? |
| 16:32.12 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 16:32.17 | menotume | just means the port isn't open |
| 16:32.30 | bryjen | noone's listening |
| 16:33.29 | |zongo| | hello, can someone help me? |
| 16:33.48 | |zongo| | after i do ./autogen.sh i get the following error |
| 16:33.50 | |zongo| | Can't locate object method "path" via package "Request" at /usr/share/autoconf/Autom4te/C4che.pm line 69, <GEN1> line 215. |
| 16:33.50 | |zongo| | autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1 |
| 16:34.06 | |zongo| | i am compiling under macosx anon cvs |
| 16:34.22 | menotume | did you update automake ? |
| 16:34.41 | |zongo| | menotume, no i couldn't :( |
| 16:34.54 | menotume | k, i don't know it that's it or not anyway |
| 16:36.02 | orange | the new roger stands near flags and shakes a lot :-) |
| 16:36.17 | bryjen | did you try the four commands in the README that _used_ to be in autogen.sh ? |
| 16:36.19 | menotume | the new roger like to go for his own flag too |
| 16:36.57 | |zongo| | bryjen, i will try them right now, thx |
| 16:38.40 | |zongo| | autoheader fails |
| 16:39.33 | |zongo| | autoconf too |
| 16:39.53 | bryjen | i thought CBG or someone had said that's what worked for them. maybe not :( |
| 16:40.10 | |zongo| | CBG just told me to do that |
| 16:40.29 | |zongo| | but i prefered a dev's tip :) |
| 16:42.36 | bryjen | you need brlcad and/or Tupone then |
| 16:43.39 | JeffM2501 | just hit F7 :) |
| 16:43.57 | bryjen | on a mac? |
| 16:44.12 | |zongo| | yes bryjen |
| 16:44.49 | JeffM2501 | what versoion of OSX? |
| 16:44.54 | |zongo| | 10.4 |
| 16:44.59 | JeffM2501 | use the xcode project |
| 16:45.08 | |zongo| | what is that? |
| 16:45.15 | |zongo| | in the cvs? |
| 16:45.22 | JeffM2501 | did you fully install your dev CD? |
| 16:45.39 | |zongo| | i did a anon cvs update 10 min ago |
| 16:45.43 | JeffM2501 | no no no |
| 16:45.47 | JeffM2501 | it's not a BZ Thing |
| 16:45.50 | JeffM2501 | it's an apple thing |
| 16:45.52 | |zongo| | oh yes |
| 16:45.55 | |zongo| | i have it |
| 16:45.59 | JeffM2501 | then you have x-code |
| 16:46.02 | |zongo| | sure |
| 16:46.02 | JeffM2501 | there is a project for it |
| 16:46.13 | |zongo| | it wasnt a question about x-code |
| 16:46.33 | JeffM2501 | there has been an x-code project since x-code came out for bz |
| 16:46.41 | JeffM2501 | it basicly does what automake and autogen do |
| 16:47.00 | JeffM2501 | use that |
| 16:47.23 | |zongo| | ok |
| 16:47.25 | JeffM2501 | or use fink to update your automake |
| 16:47.37 | |zongo| | i'll try that |
| 16:47.40 | |zongo| | thx |
| 16:48.49 | JeffM2501 | it will give you errors about it not being able to find stuff when it builds the package, but it will build the executables |
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| 16:50.33 | |zongo| | i build the xcode project |
| 16:50.39 | |zongo| | it gave me no error msg |
| 16:50.54 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 16:51.03 | |zongo| | but now where is the exec file? |
| 16:51.12 | JeffM2501 | src/bzflag/ |
| 16:51.35 | JeffM2501 | or bzfs for the server |
| 16:52.23 | |zongo| | ok but...it the version i build 2 months ago.. |
| 16:52.37 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 16:52.42 | JeffM2501 | they may move it into a package |
| 16:53.25 | JeffM2501 | look around and see if you see a new bzflag package with the new icon |
| 16:53.29 | JeffM2501 | forgot where it puts it |
| 16:53.34 | |zongo| | ok i try |
| 16:54.49 | |zongo| | woah i find it |
| 16:55.00 | JeffM2501 | where is it? |
| 16:55.09 | |zongo| | it is in build/Development |
| 16:55.13 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 16:55.19 | |zongo| | thx a bunch JeffM2501 |
| 16:55.24 | JeffM2501 | contratulations :) |
| 16:55.24 | |zongo| | i try it right now |
| 16:55.25 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 16:55.27 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 16:55.29 | |zongo| | ;) |
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| 16:56.23 | bryjen | JeffM2501: mac all come with those tools? |
| 16:56.33 | JeffM2501 | yes it does |
| 16:56.39 | JeffM2501 | but they are not allways installed by default |
| 16:56.51 | JeffM2501 | it's usualy on a "dev CD" or a set of dev packages on the install DVD |
| 16:56.56 | |zongo| | its not the good version...grrr! |
| 16:56.59 | JeffM2501 | on tiger it's part of an optional install |
| 16:57.08 | JeffM2501 | "good" version? |
| 16:57.09 | menotume | what is the 'good' version ? :) |
| 16:57.24 | |zongo| | i mean the todays build.. |
| 16:57.40 | JeffM2501 | you may want to get clean, it can get wacky when you try to mix build types |
| 16:58.20 | |zongo| | what should i do then? |
| 16:58.41 | |zongo| | what can i erase? |
| 16:59.04 | JeffM2501 | you want simple way or hard way? |
| 16:59.15 | |zongo| | any way :) |
| 16:59.23 | JeffM2501 | checkout cvs to a new folder |
| 16:59.39 | JeffM2501 | or see if there is a "clean" option in x-code anywhere |
| 16:59.45 | |zongo| | ok |
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| 17:13.14 | |zongo| | I checkout to a new folder but it didnt help |
| 17:13.27 | |zongo| | now the xcode thing doesnt build properly |
| 17:13.39 | |zongo| | but at least ./autogen.sh worked well |
| 17:13.58 | |zongo| | the problem is that then i cant do ./configure; make |
| 17:14.07 | Tupone | config.sub missing? |
| 17:14.12 | |zongo| | yes |
| 17:15.38 | Tupone | can you update automake to 1.7 or greater |
| 17:15.51 | |zongo| | i have tried but havent succeded |
| 17:16.07 | |zongo| | i was told to use fink earlier, so i will try now with fink |
| 17:16.17 | |zongo| | (even if i dunno what this means :) |
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| 17:16.43 | |zongo| | Tupone, i have the automake files but couldnt build automake :( |
| 17:16.45 | Tupone | You are encouraged to fetch the latest |
| 17:16.45 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.45 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.03 | Tupone | |zongo|: you can get updated config.guess and ocnfig.sub from reading the README there |
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| 17:20.10 | |zongo| | Tupone, i read the README there |
| 17:20.19 | |zongo| | and i have the urls |
| 17:20.28 | |zongo| | but what do i have to do with them? |
| 17:20.33 | |zongo| | copy the text? |
| 17:20.57 | Tupone | you get the 2 files, config.sub and config.guess. You need to put that in your main directory |
| 17:21.09 | Tupone | or update to > automake 1.7 |
| 17:21.19 | |zongo| | ok i try both! thx |
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| 17:58.36 | ToughShooter | Any way to choose which automake is used when there are two installed? |
| 18:01.05 | orchid | in the Makefiule |
| 18:01.14 | orchid | Makefile |
| 18:01.14 | ToughShooter | Ah, I got it via changing sequence of paths in $PATH |
| 18:01.34 | orchid | AUTOMAKE = automake-1.4 |
| 18:02.53 | ToughShooter | Should automake 1.9.5 be new enough to don't complain about missing config.sub and config.guess? |
| 18:03.42 | |zongo| | JeffM2501, Tupone, i eventually build it, thx :) |
| 18:03.57 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:04.17 | Tupone | automake 1.7 or greater seems good |
| 18:04.44 | quantumdot | hi, i wonder if i can get bzbb admin help anyone? |
| 18:06.13 | ToughShooter | Works now. It seems like closing terminal and reopening fixed it :/ |
| 18:06.18 | quantumdot | this morning i edited my "quantum dot" profile to update my email, i clicked to re-activate my account the security mail i got and then i couldnt login again |
| 18:07.56 | quantumdot | jeffM ping |
| 18:08.10 | quantumdot | jeffM2501 ping ... |
| 18:08.16 | menotume | quantumdot: |
| 18:08.21 | quantumdot | hey meno |
| 18:08.21 | menotume | i can take care of it |
| 18:08.32 | quantumdot | what is it ? why did this fail? |
| 18:08.43 | quantumdot | i didnt change nothing but my email |
| 18:08.44 | menotume | you may have changed your pass by accident |
| 18:08.53 | quantumdot | errr odd |
| 18:09.11 | menotume | well, some broswers change you name/password - they remember stuff |
| 18:09.26 | quantumdot | i changed email, no callsing no passwd |
| 18:09.39 | JeffM2501 | quantumdot, ? |
| 18:09.43 | quantumdot | the site asked me for may passwd for confirmation |
| 18:10.01 | quantumdot | hi jeff, meno seems to be able to fix my problem thx |
| 18:10.06 | JeffM2501 | ok cool |
| 18:10.13 | JeffM2501 | he's a good guy that meno :0 |
| 18:10.29 | menotume | lol |
| 18:10.59 | quantumdot | meno account should be active, but cant login |
| 18:11.18 | menotume | quantumdot: AIM :) |
| 18:11.21 | quantumdot | can you get my pass back to what it was before? |
| 18:11.38 | JeffM2501 | he can reset it to something and you can change it |
| 18:11.44 | JeffM2501 | we don't know or see passwords |
| 18:14.26 | ToughShooter | That's what they all say ;) |
| 18:14.44 | menotume | shhh, we're collecting them. |
| 18:15.12 | menotume | no names, just passwords |
| 18:16.40 | JeffM2501 | phpbb dosnt' even store the password |
| 18:17.29 | menotume | right, just the md5 i would expect |
| 18:17.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:22.35 | Grumbler | hmm, that was bad....automake -v does not give you the version.......note to self. |
| 18:31.13 | Grumbler | yeah, that helps |
| 18:38.16 | bryjen | eep |
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| 18:39.57 | Pimpinella | which readme? there are a lot of them |
| 18:40.13 | Grumbler | bzAPI.txt |
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| 18:40.53 | Grumbler | not exactly a readme, but it should be |
| 18:41.47 | Pimpinella | you mean the html doc? |
| 18:42.21 | Grumbler | no, plugins/bzAPI.txt |
| 18:42.56 | Grumbler | bz_Load is called when the plug-in is first initialized. This is when the plug-in |
| 18:42.56 | Grumbler | should register any event handlers that it wishes to use and initialize any "one |
| 18:42.56 | Grumbler | time" startup data. |
| 18:43.59 | Pimpinella | yeah, maybe nobody has thought about registering events later though |
| 18:44.34 | Grumbler | yeah, but that is a jeffm doc, i would assume he only thought of doing it that way, so you are on your own otherwise |
| 18:45.00 | Pimpinella | thats why i asked him :) |
| 18:46.36 | Grumbler | yeah, but i cant see another way bzfs would know to pass events if you dont initialize it to do so |
| 18:46.48 | Grumbler | the from the way it is described |
| 18:47.35 | Grumbler | ....you could tell it to pass all events, but not use all of them....just not efficient.......at least thats my take |
| 18:47.52 | Pimpinella | thats the point |
| 18:48.28 | Pimpinella | i'd like to let a plugin do something some time after an event |
| 18:48.38 | Grumbler | yeah../??......but what are you trying to do then.....have events fire only after certain other events |
| 18:48.40 | Pimpinella | i'd use the tick event for that |
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| 18:49.31 | Pimpinella | it's just not efficient to catch tick all the time if i use it only one every half n hour |
| 18:50.18 | Grumbler | yeah, theres a point |
| 18:53.41 | Grumbler | i guess to maintain a certain efficiency you would need a way to turn off/on the event from the plugin |
| 19:05.11 | Pimpinella | hmm, actually i can't see why events shouldn't be de/registerable within process |
| 19:05.33 | Pimpinella | maybe it's time to try it with a piece if test code |
| 19:10.48 | DTRemenak | Pimpinella, if you're really opposed to using tick, probably best would be to set up a new timer event for the api. not sure why you don't want to handle tick though. |
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| 19:19.07 | Tupone | DTRemenak: did you get my prev message? I did rename regex.h into bzregex.h. Need to update some or many project files |
| 19:19.14 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 19:19.59 | Tupone | what happened is that the bzflag regex.h interface is incompatible with glibc implementation |
| 19:20.49 | Tupone | and even without-regex the compiler , with <regex.h> give precedence to our directory :( |
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| 19:23.54 | Pimpinella | DTRemenak: generally i'm not opposed to use tick, it's just not efficient the way i'd use it ;) |
| 19:24.39 | DTRemenak | Pimpinella, if the first thing you check for in the tick is to see if your time is up, and if it's not, return, then it's effectively the same codepath as setting up a real timer in bzfs itself would be |
| 19:24.57 | DTRemenak | only change is some (cheap) stack pushes and pops for the function call |
| 19:25.31 | Pimpinella | and generally it would be sexy to have the possibility to register events in process |
| 19:25.41 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:25.59 | DTRemenak | that is perhaps true :) |
| 19:30.37 | Grumbler | maybe you should use it another way |
| 19:32.08 | Grumbler | man, hummingbirds are fast |
| 19:32.40 | DTRemenak | Normal flight about 25mph; up to 65kph (40mph) in a courtship dive |
| 19:33.02 | JeffM2501 | Pimpinella, you can register them whenever you want |
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| 19:33.09 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 19:33.12 | Pimpinella | yeah |
| 19:34.01 | JeffM2501 | you need to register at least SOMEHING at load, or you'll never be called again |
| 19:34.16 | Pimpinella | sure :) |
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| 19:36.59 | JeffM2501 | did you see that there is now a plugins forum, in case you have bugs or questionst to report? |
| 19:37.31 | Pimpinella | not yet, but i'll take a lok on it |
| 19:37.37 | JeffM2501 | just so you know it's there |
| 19:37.38 | Grumbler | DTRemenak, dont suppose your source indicated how fast they can accelerate.....i swear that bird went from 25-0-25mph again in nothing flat. |
| 19:39.03 | silverfox | for some reason my servers aren't showing up in the list. |
| 19:41.16 | Pimpinella | dns might not be updated yet |
| 19:41.39 | Pimpinella | if it was a dns issue before |
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| 19:43.21 | silverfox | list server won't list if dns doesn't match advertised hostname? |
| 19:44.26 | Pimpinella | no |
| 19:44.39 | Pimpinella | iirc |
| 19:45.27 | JeffM2501 | actualy I think it just trys to connect to your hostname and make sure it can get thru |
| 19:47.34 | JeffM2501 | damn the leagues forum is HUGE |
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| 19:53.46 | Pimpinella | just seen the team flag spawn bug again |
| 19:54.09 | Pimpinella | /flag reset won't work |
| 19:54.34 | Pimpinella | /flag show list them |
| 19:57.03 | JeffM2501 | ibot, logs |
| 19:57.03 | ibot | i guess logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
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| 20:32.56 | jpa- | morning |
| 20:38.19 | blast007 | hello jpa- :) |
| 20:39.20 | BenUrban | ... |
| 20:39.37 | BenUrban | what an odd thing to do |
| 20:39.49 | jpa- | oh, not at all |
| 20:40.08 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 20:40.12 | BenUrban | ok now THAT was odd' |
| 20:40.16 | BenUrban | and eew |
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| 20:50.44 | CBG | ~pw |
| 20:50.44 | ibot | [patches welcome] a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 20:51.31 | CBG | s/shou;d/should |
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| 21:00.50 | Tropican8 | I just compiled the BZFlag client with MinGW, and the sound isn't as "crisp" as with the precompiled version. I could send an audio capture if nessesary. What can cause this? Also I used the DirectX SDK headers to compile rather than SDL, if that's important. (SDL uses waveout for sound which I would rather not use) The sound files themselves are identical, only when played in the client is there a difference. It almost is as th |
| 21:01.33 | Pimpinella | i got a ssh connection refusal on cvs.sf.net :/ |
| 21:02.14 | wegstar | huh? |
| 21:02.21 | Pimpinella | anybody to prove this? |
| 21:02.28 | Tropican8 | CVS works fine on sourceforge |
| 21:02.39 | Tropican8 | I just did it a few hours ago |
| 21:02.43 | Pimpinella | ssh also? |
| 21:02.57 | Pimpinella | dev cvs uses ssh |
| 21:03.24 | Pimpinella | oh, i used it a few hours ago too ;) |
| 21:03.51 | Pimpinella | it doesn't work for at least a few minutes though ;) |
| 21:04.20 | Tropican8 | no idea. I'm sure if the ssh connection to the CVS repository on sourceforge was down there would be thousands of projects affected. (We'd know by now) |
| 21:05.00 | Tropican8 | Any idea about my problem Pimpinella? |
| 21:05.18 | purple_cow | Pimpinella: broken here |
| 21:05.22 | purple_cow | happens every so often |
| 21:05.59 | JeffM2501 | Tropican8, sdl can use direct X |
| 21:06.21 | Tropican8 | Yeah I know, but when I compile bzflag with it it defaults to waveout. |
| 21:06.22 | JeffM2501 | the SDL platform sends the code thru many difrent places then the native windows method tho |
| 21:06.31 | JeffM2501 | waveout sucks |
| 21:06.38 | JeffM2501 | what does mingw build? |
| 21:06.46 | Tropican8 | I know, that's why I'm trying to avoid it lol |
| 21:07.01 | Tropican8 | mingw builds fine, no errors |
| 21:07.28 | JeffM2501 | but what does mingw build? |
| 21:07.32 | JeffM2501 | SDL or native? |
| 21:07.59 | JeffM2501 | and what version of direct X did you use if you went native? |
| 21:08.04 | Tropican8 | I tried both |
| 21:08.19 | JeffM2501 | IIRC mingw dosn't come with direct X headers |
| 21:08.24 | Grumbler | Pimpinella, from the traffic on irc today....sf has been going up and down |
| 21:08.32 | JeffM2501 | we don't use mingw for the binary builds |
| 21:08.34 | Tropican8 | I used the DirectX 9 SDK version from this month for the headers |
| 21:08.46 | Tropican8 | I know, is it something compiler specific? |
| 21:08.52 | JeffM2501 | it must be |
| 21:09.01 | JeffM2501 | we use VC |
| 21:09.03 | Tropican8 | Also I tried using SDL, and it defaults the sound to waveout |
| 21:09.33 | JeffM2501 | it could also be the makefiles for minGW don't do exactly the same as what VC does in native mode |
| 21:09.49 | Tropican8 | hmm |
| 21:10.05 | JeffM2501 | I personaly don't trust mingw, or DevC++ |
| 21:10.20 | Tropican8 | I don't trust Dev-C++ |
| 21:10.41 | JeffM2501 | devC++ is built right on top of mingw |
| 21:11.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure as a compiler it's fine, but I don't think they got all there windows linkage stuff right, and they often hack out stuff to work with windows nativly |
| 21:11.21 | Tropican8 | Yeah I know, I'm just more comfortable with a Unix-like shell |
| 21:11.32 | JeffM2501 | use the command line interface for VC :) |
| 21:11.36 | JeffM2501 | nmake :) |
| 21:11.51 | Tropican8 | Where can I buy VC? Who sells it? |
| 21:11.59 | JeffM2501 | the interweb |
| 21:12.54 | Tropican8 | ok, thank you |
| 21:14.11 | wegstar | hmm... scanline == scanlime? |
| 21:14.22 | purple_cow | wegstar: they're two completely different people |
| 21:14.28 | wegstar | ok |
| 21:14.40 | tavla | hi all; has it been proposed yet to somehow highlight in the scorelist the one whom you got last shot by? |
| 21:15.02 | Tropican8 | Umm its in CVS already I believe. |
| 21:15.14 | Tropican8 | I think I've seen that feature |
| 21:15.19 | tavla | okay, how's the highlight done? |
| 21:15.33 | Tropican8 | in the console at the bottom of the screen |
| 21:15.45 | tavla | that's not what I mean, |
| 21:15.47 | Tropican8 | oh 'scorelist' nevermind |
| 21:15.49 | Tropican8 | sorry |
| 21:15.55 | tavla | okay |
| 21:16.24 | tavla | I was thinking of putting the last killer in white, instead of in its team colour |
| 21:16.45 | Tropican8 | That would get confusing in rabbit hunt. |
| 21:16.54 | tavla | yes, |
| 21:17.06 | tavla | but I never play that :) |
| 21:17.12 | Tropican8 | lol |
| 21:17.33 | tavla | then let it depend on the type of game, |
| 21:17.46 | tavla | white for normal, red for rabbit |
| 21:18.19 | Tropican8 | Do you code? Maybe you can make a client patch and submit it? |
| 21:18.19 | Tropican8 | Well I'm going to go, thanks again for your help JeffM. |
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| 21:18.38 | JeffM2501 | Tropican8, sure |
| 21:19.01 | JeffM2501 | must....resist... client side UI ... plugins... |
| 21:19.08 | tavla | has anything like the above been proposed already, JeffM2501? |
| 21:19.21 | JeffM2501 | last killed, not really |
| 21:19.28 | CBG | tavia: i believe so - if not, it has been now. :) |
| 21:19.31 | JeffM2501 | there is the hunters tuff |
| 21:19.44 | JeffM2501 | I'm not a big fan of the score list |
| 21:20.18 | CBG | why? |
| 21:20.24 | JeffM2501 | because it could be better |
| 21:20.36 | JeffM2501 | the recent changes have helped, but from a human UI it needs help |
| 21:20.40 | JeffM2501 | the entire hud does |
| 21:20.45 | JeffM2501 | it's not 1992 anymore |
| 21:21.03 | tavla | JeffM2501 thinks big... :) |
| 21:21.20 | JeffM2501 | allways do |
| 21:21.46 | tavla | but would a patch for such a highlight stand a chance of acceptance? |
| 21:22.01 | JeffM2501 | depends how it was done |
| 21:22.04 | JeffM2501 | and if people liked it |
| 21:22.16 | JeffM2501 | it's small enough where it could make it as an option sure, if it's done cleanly |
| 21:22.24 | JeffM2501 | should not be hard to do cleanly |
| 21:22.36 | JeffM2501 | where clean == taking all game modes into account. |
| 21:22.50 | JeffM2501 | white is a hard color to use |
| 21:22.55 | JeffM2501 | since it has ties to rabbit mode |
| 21:23.02 | JeffM2501 | maybe some other color would work |
| 21:23.05 | JeffM2501 | or an underline or something |
| 21:23.18 | tavla | observers are white too, and they stand out a bit to me |
| 21:23.25 | JeffM2501 | that they do |
| 21:23.32 | JeffM2501 | like I say, the entire UI needs work :) |
| 21:24.08 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't do it's best to convey the info in the most easy way I feel |
| 21:24.16 | JeffM2501 | other games have the same info and have done it much better |
| 21:24.49 | CBG | BZFlag isn't "other games". :P |
| 21:24.54 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 21:25.10 | JeffM2501 | but it is worth some effort to at least look at what others have done and see if it makes any sense |
| 21:25.20 | CBG | Sure. :)P |
| 21:25.23 | CBG | *:) |
| 21:25.23 | JeffM2501 | not all other ideas work with bz's playstyle |
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| 21:25.28 | JeffM2501 | but that dosn't mean that none do |
| 21:25.50 | JeffM2501 | at this day in age, there have been other games that come close to bz in style |
| 21:25.57 | JeffM2501 | the closest being Tanarus |
| 21:26.25 | JeffM2501 | heck there is even a feature from battlezone I'd like to put in |
| 21:26.38 | CBG | OH NO.... |
| 21:26.46 | CBG | Nothing has come close to BZ's style! |
| 21:26.47 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:26.49 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: UFOs? |
| 21:26.57 | CBG | BZFlag has ALL the style. ;) |
| 21:26.59 | JeffM2501 | no not ufo's, but they would be cool :) |
| 21:27.02 | CBG | lol |
| 21:27.07 | JeffM2501 | CBG, you need to get out more :) |
| 21:27.26 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, you know how the target sight would angle inward when a baddie was in range and in sight |
| 21:27.29 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to do that |
| 21:27.42 | purple_cow | ahh |
| 21:27.44 | JeffM2501 | and maybe also a one that moved out, or made a bad sound/color when you were targeted on a teamie |
| 21:27.44 | CBG | JeffM2501: more? mots people say I need to get out. then maybe once I start they will suggest I get out More... |
| 21:28.04 | JeffM2501 | CBG, was giving you the benifit of the doubt |
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| 21:28.22 | CBG | I dont deserve it JeffM2501. |
| 21:28.26 | CBG | Having the sight lock onto enemy tanks? |
| 21:28.33 | JeffM2501 | not lock |
| 21:28.35 | CBG | That would be cool - but hard to implement, me thinks. |
| 21:28.38 | CBG | oh, ok |
| 21:28.42 | JeffM2501 | just indicate when you are pointing at one |
| 21:28.49 | CBG | ah, thats cool too. |
| 21:28.49 | JeffM2501 | and when you are pointing at a teamie |
| 21:29.03 | JeffM2501 | other games turn the sight red or green and whatnot |
| 21:29.05 | JeffM2501 | just something |
| 21:29.07 | CBG | Yeah. :) |
| 21:29.11 | JeffM2501 | I think it woudl help noobs |
| 21:29.18 | JeffM2501 | and just be a subtle addition |
| 21:29.21 | CBG | It would help everyone. ;) |
| 21:29.25 | JeffM2501 | I'd also like to seperate out my team from the main team list |
| 21:29.36 | Aribeth | that would be a good addition |
| 21:29.37 | JeffM2501 | so I can see what flags my team has at a glance |
| 21:29.48 | JeffM2501 | then for the score just show a summary across the top |
| 21:29.53 | JeffM2501 | then a detail one if you want to see it |
| 21:29.53 | CBG | You can sort of do that. |
| 21:30.01 | JeffM2501 | you can "sort" of do many things |
| 21:30.05 | CBG | With the new ways to order the scorelist (which is great btw)... |
| 21:30.13 | CBG | You can sort the list by team. |
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| 21:30.23 | JeffM2501 | the score list on a full game takes up a LOT of the screen |
| 21:30.30 | CBG | Agreed. |
| 21:30.39 | kunphuzil | How does one take a screenshot while playing? I see a screenshots folder in my bzflag directory |
| 21:30.40 | JeffM2501 | the upper right of the screen seems somewhat wasted as well |
| 21:31.02 | CBG | F5 |
| 21:31.13 | kunphuzil | Thank you |
| 21:31.20 | CBG | knuphuzil, anytime :) |
| 21:31.25 | JeffM2501 | CBG, I had to do some work on a tank game UI a long while ago. There are many things we could change |
| 21:31.46 | CBG | JeffM2501: We could change everything, but then it wouldn't be bzflag. :) |
| 21:31.51 | CBG | s/we/you |
| 21:31.52 | CBG | :P |
| 21:31.59 | JeffM2501 | they had aditional info like waypoints and times so it was harder |
| 21:32.16 | JeffM2501 | CBG, true, there are limits, but I think "bzflag" is more then the hud layout, |
| 21:32.30 | CBG | Heh. :) |
| 21:32.33 | JeffM2501 | A design pass could go well on that part of the software |
| 21:32.41 | JeffM2501 | just like the ballance discussions we had on flags |
| 21:32.41 | purple_cow | if that's the case, then "bzflag" ceased to be about 4 years ago when i redid the HUD :P |
| 21:32.51 | CBG | lol purple_cow |
| 21:32.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah the old hud sucked even worse :) |
| 21:33.34 | JeffM2501 | the tank game I worked on had tilts and stuff too, so we had background issues and stuff as well |
| 21:33.42 | JeffM2501 | and deformable terrain |
| 21:33.46 | JeffM2501 | that was a pita |
| 21:33.58 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 21:34.01 | CBG | How likely is it that we will be able to tilt our tanks in bzflag? |
| 21:34.17 | CBG | Aww, poor jpa-! |
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| 21:34.48 | CBG | RPG_ :) |
| 21:34.54 | RPG_ | hello |
| 21:35.08 | jpa- | it was the time i had hacked client with big radar and small 3d screen to play on a 500MHz k6-2 without accerelation :) |
| 21:35.34 | purple_cow | radar size wasn't changeable in the old HUD |
| 21:35.45 | CBG | lol!! |
| 21:35.57 | kunphuzil | Can I make the radar as big as I want? |
| 21:36.04 | CBG | Sure. :) |
| 21:36.09 | jpa- | purple_cow: i changed the code.. ie. hard-coded it to be bigger :) |
| 21:36.10 | kunphuzil | It only goes so big for me |
| 21:36.33 | CBG | You can make it even bigger in your config.cfg file, kunphuzil |
| 21:36.53 | kunphuzil | Ah thanks :D |
| 21:37.15 | RPG_ | ping JeffM2501 |
| 21:37.17 | purple_cow | hmm. |
| 21:37.22 | kunphuzil | Another question I have deals with BZEdit, I am not sure if many use this program but how does one change the dimensions of the map? |
| 21:37.24 | purple_cow | scanlime: do you know where any of the jetcow images are? :) |
| 21:37.25 | CBG | RPG_ don't annoy him. |
| 21:37.29 | RPG_ | k |
| 21:37.37 | CBG | lol, joke. he was around a few mins ago. |
| 21:37.40 | RPG_ | i'll post in BZBB then |
| 21:37.54 | CBG | ~seen JeffM2501 |
| 21:37.56 | ibot | jeffm2501 is currently on #bzflag (2h 58m 22s) #tacobeam (2h 58m 22s) #opencombat (2h 58m 22s). Has said a total of 86 messages. Is idling for 4m 10s |
| 21:37.59 | Tupone | CVS service will be offline for a expected period of up to 36 hours :( |
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| 21:38.08 | CBG | See, 4mins ago he was here... |
| 21:38.10 | CBG | hi sussi |
| 21:38.14 | scanlime | purple_cow: http://navi.cx/~micah/ |
| 21:38.20 | sussi | hi |
| 21:38.22 | RPG_ | i was a minute late |
| 21:38.23 | CBG | Tupone: up to 36 hrs!? :( |
| 21:38.25 | sussi | some matches to report |
| 21:38.32 | Birdie | i can |
| 21:38.35 | purple_cow | scanlime: haha |
| 21:38.37 | CBG | sussi, try #bzleague |
| 21:38.39 | RPG_ | sussi: what league? |
| 21:38.42 | CBG | or pm birdie. ;) |
| 21:38.43 | sussi | T42 1-8 easy kill |
| 21:38.48 | Birdie | easy kill won? |
| 21:38.53 | sussi | nyep |
| 21:38.55 | Birdie | that i'm not making a mistake again:) |
| 21:39.02 | Birdie | time? |
| 21:39.15 | scanlime | purple_cow: or there;s http://svn.navi.cx/misc/abandoned/jetstream/extra_media/ |
| 21:39.19 | scanlime | s/;/'/ |
| 21:39.37 | purple_cow | hmm. view source on that page seems to have killed my firefox |
| 21:39.43 | scanlime | haha |
| 21:39.47 | scanlime | it's like 400k of HTML |
| 21:39.48 | scanlime | :P |
| 21:39.49 | RPG_ | use CPR |
| 21:41.02 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, ? |
| 21:41.19 | RPG_ | i'm posting in bzbb about it, a featuer request for the API |
| 21:41.24 | RPG_ | manipulating /set variables |
| 21:41.29 | JeffM2501 | you can do that now |
| 21:41.36 | JeffM2501 | use the BZDB functions |
| 21:41.50 | RPG_ | oh |
| 21:42.29 | JeffM2501 | bz_setBZDBDouble |
| 21:42.29 | RPG_ | bz_getBZDBString( const char* variable ) ? |
| 21:42.36 | JeffM2501 | that will return it |
| 21:42.39 | JeffM2501 | you want to set it |
| 21:42.56 | JeffM2501 | get will give you what it is now, set will change it to what you want |
| 21:43.16 | RPG_ | what about registering a new /set variable? |
| 21:43.47 | JeffM2501 | oh you want to ADD a new one |
| 21:43.49 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 21:43.58 | JeffM2501 | dono if you can do that at run time |
| 21:44.00 | JeffM2501 | let me see |
| 21:44.05 | RPG_ | add, assign defulat value, then read the value at certain times |
| 21:44.15 | RPG_ | and allow admin to chang ethe value |
| 21:44.25 | JeffM2501 | default is not easy, plugins are loaded AFTER the config |
| 21:44.44 | JeffM2501 | but I can probably do one where you check if it exists, if not you can add it |
| 21:44.49 | JeffM2501 | with a default value |
| 21:45.02 | RPG_ | say i want _allowPlayersDuringMatch set to false when the plug in is loaded. possible? |
| 21:45.27 | JeffM2501 | I'd have to add an API function for you to add a new field |
| 21:45.37 | RPG_ | k |
| 21:46.15 | RPG_ | in this: |
| 21:46.16 | RPG_ | RaceToSeven::handle (int playerID, bzApiString _command, bzApiString _message) |
| 21:46.16 | RPG_ | what does _message contain? |
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| 21:46.45 | JeffM2501 | anything after the command |
| 21:47.00 | JeffM2501 | so /mycommand param1 param2 param 3 |
| 21:47.11 | JeffM2501 | would have param1 param2 param 3 in the message |
| 21:47.33 | RPG_ | ok, so it's: |
| 21:47.34 | RPG_ | /COMMAND MESSAGE MESSAGE |
| 21:47.34 | RPG_ | _command = "COMMAND"; |
| 21:47.34 | RPG_ | _message = "MESSAGE MESSAGE"; |
| 21:47.42 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:47.45 | RPG_ | ok |
| 21:48.01 | JeffM2501 | you can use tokenize to break the message up further if you need to |
| 21:48.09 | JeffM2501 | some commands will need to, some won't |
| 21:48.32 | RPG_ | i just want to have /match_start replaced by /match start |
| 21:48.45 | RPG_ | second one looks cleaner and goes with the flow of all the other bz commands |
| 21:48.46 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:48.59 | JeffM2501 | so you only register 1 command handerl |
| 21:49.02 | JeffM2501 | for /match |
| 21:49.04 | JeffM2501 | then in /match |
| 21:49.20 | JeffM2501 | tok up the message and see what the first part of the returned param vector is |
| 21:49.25 | JeffM2501 | and switch on that |
| 21:49.49 | RPG_ | do i have to "tok it up"? |
| 21:49.52 | JeffM2501 | chathistory should show an example of toking up a list |
| 21:50.02 | JeffM2501 | well what if somone types /match start now |
| 21:50.11 | JeffM2501 | you can't just say _message == "start" |
| 21:50.12 | RPG_ | ahhh |
| 21:50.18 | JeffM2501 | in that case it won't work |
| 21:50.18 | RPG_ | because it wouldn' tmatch |
| 21:50.26 | JeffM2501 | what if start takes params? |
| 21:50.36 | RPG_ | ok |
| 21:50.44 | JeffM2501 | so yes you want to tok it up |
| 21:50.48 | JeffM2501 | it's simple |
| 21:51.38 | JeffM2501 | std::vector<std::string> params = TextUtils::tokenize(_message,std::string(" ")); |
| 21:51.53 | JeffM2501 | that will give you all the params in a new vector |
| 21:52.06 | RPG_ | is a vector lke an array? |
| 21:52.13 | JeffM2501 | a vector is an array |
| 21:52.17 | RPG_ | oh |
| 21:52.24 | JeffM2501 | of variable size |
| 21:52.57 | trepan | http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/stl_index_cat.html and http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/ |
| 21:52.59 | JeffM2501 | so then you can do if ( params.size() > 0) myCommand = params[0]; |
| 21:53.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah learn STL |
| 21:53.08 | JeffM2501 | it'll help you a lot |
| 21:53.15 | JeffM2501 | the containers are great |
| 21:53.29 | Pimpinella | JeffM2501: forgot to tell you, i slightly changed the way -loadplugin works |
| 21:53.37 | JeffM2501 | Pimpinella, what did you do? |
| 21:53.41 | JeffM2501 | did you make it check ./ |
| 21:54.01 | JeffM2501 | I wanted to make it check there |
| 21:54.26 | Pimpinella | it is broken up by tokenize |
| 21:54.43 | Pimpinella | i used maxtoke = 2 now |
| 21:54.50 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 21:54.56 | JeffM2501 | for the best |
| 21:55.12 | Pimpinella | so the argument after the plugin name can be a comma separated lidt |
| 21:55.17 | JeffM2501 | I'm not happy with the way it's done, don't like having to use , |
| 21:55.26 | Pimpinella | list |
| 21:55.33 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:55.40 | JeffM2501 | so the plugin can break it if it needs to |
| 21:55.44 | Pimpinella | ack |
| 21:56.12 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to redo the entire CLI parsing |
| 21:57.04 | Pimpinella | i'd be even better if a vector was pssed instaed of a string |
| 21:57.12 | Pimpinella | passed |
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| 21:57.16 | JeffM2501 | I have a class that knows that commands start with - and anything after is a paramater even if it has a space |
| 21:57.38 | Pimpinella | nice |
| 21:58.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah then I could pass in a list of params |
| 21:58.16 | JeffM2501 | it would be much nicer |
| 21:58.46 | JeffM2501 | but thats for a later date |
| 21:59.01 | JeffM2501 | have to see how many people really need it |
| 21:59.18 | JeffM2501 | I was thinking that if you needed THAT many paramates, you sould just pass in your own config file name |
| 21:59.33 | Pimpinella | sure |
| 21:59.44 | Pimpinella | but i don't need more than 4 or 5 |
| 21:59.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:59.53 | Pimpinella | hm, max 5 |
| 21:59.59 | JeffM2501 | the tok thing is fine for now |
| 22:00.04 | Pimpinella | yeah |
| 22:00.27 | Pimpinella | grr, sf is still broken |
| 22:01.19 | Pimpinella | all europeans leave, so i'll go to bed too... |
| 22:01.22 | Pimpinella | nite |
| 22:17.02 | trepan | be warned: http://go.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?&storyID=9316267 |
| 22:25.46 | JeffM2501 | them koreans are freaks when it comes to that |
| 22:28.55 | JeffM2501 | there was the killing a while ago too |
| 22:29.04 | JeffM2501 | when one guy sold another guys fake sword for real money |
| 22:29.32 | DTRemenak | erg, cvs is down |
| 22:30.00 | trepan | JeffM2501: By the Power of GreySkull! |
| 22:30.11 | JeffM2501 | I guess so |
| 22:31.13 | JeffM2501 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2004-06-25 |
| 22:32.15 | trepan | DTRemenak: period of up to 36 hours |
| 22:32.28 | DTRemenak | trepan, yeah, but it's terrible timing |
| 22:32.47 | JeffM2501 | were you going to .0.4 ? |
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| 22:33.00 | DTRemenak | no, just wanted to see how fast the daulie would build |
| 22:33.43 | JeffM2501 | did you bid on the CPUs? |
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| 23:15.18 | menotume | wow, cvs still down ? |
| 23:16.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:20.15 | JeffM2501 | and to think I was going to check in more up to date docs |
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| 23:23.09 | DTRemenak | heh, that's what you get for writing documentation ;) |
| 23:23.15 | JeffM2501 | http://www.bzflag.org/docs/api/ |
| 23:23.17 | DTRemenak | and yeah, I bid on the cpu |
| 23:23.19 | DTRemenak | s |
| 23:23.24 | JeffM2501 | and not bad docs if I say so myself |
| 23:23.32 | JeffM2501 | given they need a spellcheck |
| 23:23.45 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 23:25.40 | JeffM2501 | at least they fit the main site :) |
| 23:28.41 | JeffM2501 | at least the web works |
| 23:30.16 | DTRemenak | sweet, they look good |
| 23:30.16 | DTRemenak | now if only sf would fix cvs... |
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| 23:30.33 | JeffM2501 | I know there are events missing |
| 23:30.56 | JeffM2501 | and I didn't do some of the more esoteric API functions |
| 23:31.04 | JeffM2501 | like the custom plugin handaler |
| 23:31.13 | JeffM2501 | since I don't think many people will be making plugins that load plugins |
| 23:31.35 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:31.38 | DTRemenak | might be surprise |
| 23:31.40 | DTRemenak | d |
| 23:31.46 | JeffM2501 | ohh somone will |
| 23:31.50 | JeffM2501 | somone even has |
| 23:31.54 | JeffM2501 | tha'ts why I put it in there |
| 23:31.57 | JeffM2501 | I just don't see it common |
| 23:31.58 | menotume | a plugin plugin manager |
| 23:32.11 | DTRemenak | someone has started one, but I don't think someone has finished it |
| 23:32.14 | JeffM2501 | the python plugin loads other plugins ( the python files ) |
| 23:32.47 | JeffM2501 | it's just there for other language support |
| 23:33.24 | JeffM2501 | and I didn't doc the worldfile making stuff since it's 100% untested :) |
| 23:33.30 | DTRemenak | me bets he could convince his roommate to write one to load eiffel plugins |
| 23:33.38 | DTRemenak | hm, missing a / in that sentence |
| 23:33.41 | JeffM2501 | what is eiffel? |
| 23:33.46 | purple_cow | another language |
| 23:33.50 | DTRemenak | it is a programming language |
| 23:33.52 | JeffM2501 | I figured that |
| 23:34.03 | JeffM2501 | what's it good for? |
| 23:34.08 | JeffM2501 | and dont' say programing |
| 23:34.13 | DTRemenak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_programming_language |
| 23:34.53 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 23:34.59 | JeffM2501 | how hard is it to link to C++? |
| 23:35.07 | DTRemenak | not very |
| 23:35.13 | JeffM2501 | then it may be simple |
| 23:35.25 | JeffM2501 | isn't that what wings3d plugins are made in? |
| 23:35.29 | DTRemenak | no idea |
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| 23:36.13 | S1gn | ~bzfquery amber.gotdns.org:5679 |
| 23:36.23 | S1gn | wtf |
| 23:36.59 | DTRemenak | ~bzfquery dtremenak.bakadigital.com:6001 |
| 23:37.09 | DTRemenak | hmm |
| 23:37.37 | trepan | JeffM2501: erlang |
| 23:38.18 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, see, everyone has their own pet language they want to write plugins in ;) |
| 23:38.45 | DTRemenak | ~bzfquery dtremenak.bakadigital.com:6001 |
| 23:38.51 | DTRemenak | that's better |
| 23:38.53 | JeffM2501 | that's what it was |
| 23:38.56 | DTRemenak | helps to actually start bzfs |
| 23:39.05 | JeffM2501 | I knew it started with an E |
| 23:39.35 | trepan | DTRemenak: no way in hell i'd use erlang if there's another choice |
| 23:39.42 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 23:39.48 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, that's why I made the functions, I think I'll make an "advanced functions" chapter |
| 23:39.53 | JeffM2501 | so not to confuse the n00bs |
| 23:40.12 | JeffM2501 | trepan, was it nasty? |
| 23:40.16 | DTRemenak | trepan, I know that, it was intended as a jab :) |
| 23:40.27 | JeffM2501 | like lisp nasty? |
| 23:40.47 | purple_cow | lisp isn't nasty :P |
| 23:41.05 | DTRemenak | lisp is too nasty |
| 23:41.20 | trepan | it's slow, and i'm none too fond of functional languages anyways |
| 23:41.27 | JeffM2501 | lisp is prety freaking nasty |
| 23:42.48 | menotume | I'd like to change something with HIDEADMIN permiss ... |
| 23:43.04 | menotume | when HIDEADMIN is used, admins don't get slot numbers in their clients |
| 23:43.05 | JeffM2501 | perms, that's what I have to do |
| 23:43.10 | menotume | :) |
| 23:43.18 | JeffM2501 | can that even be done? |
| 23:43.32 | menotume | would it be ok for bzfs to send 'isadmin' info only to admins ? |
| 23:43.46 | BearPerson | I think that would be quite a change |
| 23:43.54 | menotume | really ? |
| 23:44.00 | JeffM2501 | menotume, not really, you'd have to change the way it's sent |
| 23:44.00 | BearPerson | since it's among the info just broadcast to everyone iirc |
| 23:44.08 | JeffM2501 | right now it's sent as an "everyone" mesage |
| 23:44.15 | menotume | ohhhh |
| 23:44.19 | menotume | crapo |
| 23:44.22 | JeffM2501 | so you'd have to break it up to send to difrent people in difrent ways |
| 23:44.25 | BearPerson | but you can do what I did |
| 23:44.38 | JeffM2501 | aka make it not have the admin bit, send to users, set admin bit, send to admins |
| 23:44.40 | BearPerson | comment out the check for you being admin in your client source |
| 23:44.57 | menotume | ? |
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| 23:45.18 | JeffM2501 | there is a message hook for where it's set |
| 23:45.25 | BearPerson | I just put in "if(true)" instead of "if(myTank->isAdmin)" or whatsit |
| 23:45.25 | menotume | oh, to still get slot numbers ? |
| 23:45.27 | JeffM2501 | search for it in the source and you can see |
| 23:45.45 | menotume | yes, i saw it |
| 23:45.51 | BearPerson | probably the only change in my client that could honestly be called "cheating" |
| 23:45.56 | menotume | i don't want a hack just for me :) |
| 23:46.08 | BearPerson | :) |
| 23:46.20 | DTRemenak | that's definately not cheating, it gives you as a player no advantage whatsoever |
| 23:46.20 | JeffM2501 | I thought about making the event be called per player that got the data |
| 23:46.28 | BearPerson | true |
| 23:46.32 | JeffM2501 | but then the message sending wasn't set that way |
| 23:46.37 | JeffM2501 | so it was going to be 'wierd' |
| 23:46.57 | BearPerson | I also have a hack that sends a group query for every identified player |
| 23:47.15 | BearPerson | so I can add some special chars for certain groups in the source |
| 23:47.23 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:47.29 | DTRemenak | that's a bit wierd ;) |
| 23:47.35 | BearPerson | quite a hack |
| 23:47.40 | JeffM2501 | what does it get you? |
| 23:48.00 | BearPerson | differentiating HIDEADMIN from regular users for example ;-) |
| 23:48.13 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 23:48.30 | JeffM2501 | thats why they need to use the hiden admin plugin, not the group :) |
| 23:48.34 | JeffM2501 | then you can't tell |
| 23:48.48 | BearPerson | I could also tell admins from cops, or trusteds from hideadmin'ed admins ;-) |
| 23:48.52 | menotume | i suppose we could add a bit to the 'isadmin' field, but then peeps can hack their clients to see it |
| 23:49.06 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, could also be used for plenty of other things. e.g. marking rival teams in the scoreboard, marking permanently -TALK players, etc |
| 23:49.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah, better is to make the server just tell the cleint what to show |
| 23:49.30 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, yeah |
| 23:49.32 | BearPerson | tell him only what he should show that is |
| 23:49.39 | menotume | yep |
| 23:49.46 | JeffM2501 | treat the client like mushrooms |
| 23:49.51 | JeffM2501 | keep em in the dark, feed em crap |
| 23:49.57 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 23:50.07 | DTRemenak | they can still do group queries directly though |
| 23:50.07 | JeffM2501 | well it's true |
| 23:50.31 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, so I add an event that lets the plugin filter the groups before listing :) |
| 23:52.36 | JeffM2501 | don't you need a token to verify |
| 23:52.45 | DTRemenak | that's what I'm wondering |
| 23:52.50 | JeffM2501 | I think you do |
| 23:53.00 | JeffM2501 | so the client would only be able to do it on itself |
| 23:53.26 | DTRemenak | could always parse http://my.bzflag.org/bb/groupcp.php?g=1235 ;) |
| 23:53.38 | menotume | Hmm, what about /playerlist - could we add a '@' there for admins |
| 23:53.54 | DTRemenak | that would only work for groups you were a member of though |
| 23:53.56 | JeffM2501 | menotume, is it a server comand? |
| 23:54.05 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, yeah or open groups |
| 23:54.06 | menotume | i think so |
| 23:54.11 | JeffM2501 | menotume, then sure |
| 23:55.29 | menotume | /playerlist shows the slot nums even when HIDEADMIN, so that's good |
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