| 00:00.02 | irixcoz | a+ certified? more like D+ |
| 00:00.08 | Aribeth | i have an aa degree |
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| 00:00.45 | EruditeH2rmit | Tupone: just bzflag |
| 00:00.49 | Aribeth | the intern wanted my job, so i gave it to him |
| 00:00.58 | EruditeH2rmit | Tupone: dmix and alsa are set up properly |
| 00:01.13 | Tupone | what bzflag says abouut audio? |
| 00:01.16 | Aribeth | after i files discrimination charges and made them stick |
| 00:01.24 | irixcoz | HR asked if we wanted an intern for our group |
| 00:01.45 | irixcoz | i said only if she was over 18, under 25 and had a serious rack |
| 00:01.48 | EruditeH2rmit | Tupone: its not able to grab the audio device |
| 00:01.49 | irixcoz | no interns for us |
| 00:01.58 | EruditeH2rmit | Tupone: artsd keeps grabbing it |
| 00:02.19 | Tupone | you want to go to alsa directly ... |
| 00:02.32 | Tupone | option->audio->driver name |
| 00:02.32 | Aribeth | well, the intern prolly now knows just how much i did there. |
| 00:02.41 | Tupone | write there alsa and return |
| 00:02.45 | Aribeth | and im glad to be rid of them |
| 00:03.21 | irixcoz | They should hire me to produce the "what not to do" videos for companies |
| 00:03.31 | Aribeth | heh |
| 00:03.53 | Aribeth | i did get a restraining order against my boss :) |
| 00:04.06 | EruditeH2rmit | Tupone: still says audio is unavailable |
| 00:04.09 | irixcoz | These poor graduates coming out today cant wipe their ass without permission and a "job well done" praise afterwards |
| 00:04.11 | irixcoz | pathetic |
| 00:04.23 | Aribeth | yep |
| 00:04.43 | Tupone | but it says alsa? what is now in the menu? have you restarted bzflag ? |
| 00:05.12 | EruditeH2rmit | yeah |
| 00:05.20 | Tupone | stop artsd |
| 00:05.24 | Aribeth | the other intern just sat on his duft only doing what he wanted to do. a loser i say. |
| 00:05.32 | EruditeH2rmit | Tupone: but thats the whole point |
| 00:05.44 | EruditeH2rmit | Tupone: I want artsd to be going on in hte background |
| 00:05.54 | EruditeH2rmit | Tupone: so that I get sound from other apps too |
| 00:05.56 | Tupone | so you want to use artsd ... :) |
| 00:06.19 | Tupone | and you have not hardware mixer ... ? |
| 00:06.27 | irixcoz | yeah. we had one burst into tears because he couldnt have the root pw |
| 00:06.31 | EruditeH2rmit | Tupone: nope |
| 00:06.38 | Aribeth | geez |
| 00:06.46 | EruditeH2rmit | Tupone: its a laptop |
| 00:06.52 | irixcoz | i of course began berating him which added to the waterworks |
| 00:06.54 | Tupone | so no alsa ... lemme see what else |
| 00:07.25 | Aribeth | the kids today just come in and think they are god's gift and you should bend over and let them drive |
| 00:07.36 | irixcoz | they also want six figure starting salaries |
| 00:07.52 | Tupone | artsc you can try that, instead of alsa |
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| 00:08.19 | Aribeth | when the intern got my job he was hired at less than half what i was makeing |
| 00:08.25 | EruditeH2rmit | Tupone: nope |
| 00:08.35 | Tupone | nope what ? |
| 00:08.40 | EruditeH2rmit | Tupone: it doesn't work |
| 00:08.50 | irixcoz | heh, we had ours put $95,000 starting salary on his application |
| 00:08.55 | irixcoz | because he had a degree |
| 00:08.58 | Tupone | it does says artsc in the console? |
| 00:09.02 | Aribeth | heh |
| 00:09.16 | Tupone | near Audio Driver: |
| 00:09.29 | EruditeH2rmit | Couldn't open audio: No available audio device in the console |
| 00:09.35 | EruditeH2rmit | yeah it says artsc |
| 00:10.50 | Tupone | you have the choice between dsp, alsa, artsc, esd, nas :/ |
| 00:11.01 | EruditeH2rmit | lol |
| 00:11.07 | EruditeH2rmit | lets try esd |
| 00:11.18 | EruditeH2rmit | I have that piped to use alsa dmix I think |
| 00:12.09 | Tupone | I don't know what dmix is :/ if that gives a new alsa device you need to write in the device name |
| 00:13.26 | EruditeH2rmit | hmm good idea |
| 00:13.26 | EruditeH2rmit | =p |
| 00:13.56 | EruditeH2rmit | nope, that didn't work either |
| 00:14.22 | EruditeH2rmit | I guess I could write a script to killall artsd and to start artsd when bzflag is done |
| 00:14.27 | EruditeH2rmit | =( |
| 00:14.32 | EruditeH2rmit | ugly hack |
| 00:15.16 | Tupone | I will try dmix tomorrow to see what SDL can do |
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| 02:35.01 | bz9459 | i need help with making a zone |
| 02:35.30 | bz9459 | any1 there |
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| 02:54.19 | dartman | hi |
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| 03:01.43 | dartman | hi all |
| 03:02.08 | dartman | i need some help from an admin |
| 03:02.41 | dartman | anyone here? |
| 03:03.22 | dartman | guess not :( |
| 03:03.25 | dartman | meh |
| 03:07.21 | blast007 | admin of what? |
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| 03:15.21 | Aribeth | he was looking for a forum admin |
| 03:15.44 | blast007 | k |
| 03:16.18 | bryjen | "an aa degree" ? |
| 03:17.47 | blast007 | Associate in Arts maybe (did a quick google) |
| 03:18.19 | Aribeth | ya, thats what i got |
| 03:18.21 | Aribeth | :) |
| 03:18.50 | shorty114 | yeah AA is the arts associate iirc |
| 03:19.32 | Aribeth | it isnt worth the paper it was written on |
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| 04:38.25 | spldart | Any excitement in the last couple of days? |
| 04:47.03 | orchid | loumans metropolis map is exciting in its own way |
| 04:49.08 | irixcoz | heh |
| 04:49.23 | irixcoz | new hepcat server going online this weekend tuxsux.hepcat.org |
| 04:49.51 | orchid | tuxsux? |
| 04:50.34 | irixcoz | ayup |
| 04:51.35 | orchid | oh I get |
| 04:51.56 | orchid | a clever way to say linux sucks? |
| 04:54.04 | irixcoz | something like that. i get enough ddos from those kids why not go full out |
| 04:54.15 | bryjen | everyone's got their opinion |
| 04:54.41 | irixcoz | the combined linux/star trek/groupsex convention thing was scary |
| 04:55.19 | bryjen | many feel compelled to /share/ them |
| 04:55.41 | DTRemenak | my opinion is that nobody should ever share thier opinions ;) |
| 04:55.51 | orchid | :) |
| 04:56.32 | orchid | if there was perfect OS we'd all be using it |
| 04:56.52 | orchid | they all suck at some things and excell at others |
| 04:57.22 | bryjen | and then there's personal preference... |
| 04:57.31 | orchid | right |
| 04:58.12 | bryjen | no one thing will make everybody happy. |
| 04:58.31 | irixcoz | its a cute moniker not worth much discussion :) sorry i included the hostname |
| 04:59.46 | orchid | you will get some interesting /reports I'm sure :) |
| 05:00.17 | irixcoz | i already got threatned with a DDOS for the login graphic |
| 05:00.20 | bryjen | drive them to new heights |
| 05:00.32 | bryjen | or perhaps depths is more appropriate |
| 05:01.12 | irixcoz | i have yet to get a /report thanking me for a 20+ tank game server ;) |
| 05:01.15 | irixcoz | its not up now |
| 05:01.23 | irixcoz | but ill send you the graphic privately its ascii |
| 05:01.45 | irixcoz | its an inside hepcat joke dating back to 1993 |
| 05:01.52 | DTRemenak | always amazes me how many threats and how few actual attacks there are. if I was gonna threaten someone with a DDOS I'd be prepared to back it up :) |
| 05:02.03 | irixcoz | we get a few lowkey ones |
| 05:02.46 | DTRemenak | I've gotten four or five threats, only one guy tried and he could only pull about 9 megabits peak |
| 05:03.09 | irixcoz | heh |
| 05:03.38 | DTRemenak | way more traffic than I usually get but not enough to make any kind of a difference on a hundred megabit connection :) |
| 05:03.39 | irixcoz | i miss our internal bzflag server back in 99. it was a 128 cpu sgi origin 2000 |
| 05:03.46 | irixcoz | that was overkill done right |
| 05:03.56 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:04.18 | bryjen | one proc putting along and 127 spinning idle.... |
| 05:04.44 | DTRemenak | or 128 differently-configured bzfs' :) |
| 05:05.07 | irixcoz | yep |
| 05:05.14 | irixcoz | well there was alot more going on |
| 05:05.23 | irixcoz | but bzflag was a couple of those processes heh |
| 05:06.05 | irixcoz | we did manage to get a 50 player quad color ctf match going one night |
| 05:06.07 | irixcoz | it was madness |
| 05:06.31 | DTRemenak | ugh, that sounds horrible ;) |
| 05:06.46 | irixcoz | http://www.cafepress.com/itmugs.18339192 haha |
| 05:07.01 | irixcoz | i was hosting a quake and quake2 server on that origin too |
| 05:13.06 | spldart | Reason for new hepcat server and addy? Are there advantages/upgrades or just a change of either just necessary for other reasons? |
| 05:13.42 | irixcoz | well current one is on my main outside server |
| 05:13.50 | irixcoz | so it shares space with customer data/email traffic etc |
| 05:13.53 | irixcoz | new one is bzflag only |
| 05:14.17 | irixcoz | so i can allow my core admins (jb digriz, jomojo, silverfox, etc) ssh logins for log access |
| 05:14.22 | spldart | So hopefully more bandwidth? |
| 05:14.26 | irixcoz | we are also going to run a hepcat master ban list |
| 05:14.31 | irixcoz | and a few other things |
| 05:14.38 | spldart | sounds sweet so far :) |
| 05:14.46 | irixcoz | bandwidth is the same but it should not be competing with resources like it is now |
| 05:14.52 | spldart | My banlist is getting long now that I think about it :( |
| 05:14.59 | spldart | ic |
| 05:15.16 | irixcoz | im editing the code a bit so cops ban for 1day, regular admins 1week |
| 05:15.26 | irixcoz | but my core group can cvs edit our master ban list for perm bans |
| 05:15.27 | spldart | Possibly things like momentary everyone is bubble and circling will go away |
| 05:15.50 | spldart | IC... Cosmos had a couple few spamming hatred types just today :( |
| 05:15.51 | irixcoz | spldart yes although sometimes that is due to our script kiddies weak DDOS attempts |
| 05:15.58 | spldart | ah |
| 05:16.18 | irixcoz | they can never hit us long enough before getting blackholed but sometimes it is enough |
| 05:16.34 | irixcoz | im just lucky my provider hasnt pulled the plug on me heh |
| 05:16.34 | spldart | Work was slow and some racist spammed and later while I was playing at home and some random panzy came on and spammed a bit. |
| 05:17.14 | spldart | I'm kinda wondering when MY provider is going to notice I've got BZFS, apache2 and other stuff going on a stupid little cable modem :( |
| 05:17.23 | irixcoz | brb :) |
| 05:17.26 | spldart | k |
| 05:22.07 | irixcoz | heh |
| 05:22.16 | irixcoz | i lost my dsl for 32 hours this week |
| 05:22.24 | irixcoz | ordered a new line from speakeasy |
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| 05:28.40 | irixcoz | i wish i had a DS3 at home. id love to setup a community server farm for people to host web/ftp/journals for free :) |
| 05:35.39 | irixcoz | if it werent a guaranteed administration nightmare/legal fiasco id resurrect the old anon.penet.fi remailer heh |
| 05:43.25 | spldart | I want tons of banwidth but can't afford to terribly much :( |
| 05:43.35 | irixcoz | yeah |
| 05:43.36 | spldart | Getting 4+ up and 356 down now |
| 05:43.55 | irixcoz | the new dsl i ordered is 3 down and 768k up with 2 static ips |
| 05:43.55 | spldart | Hosting 3v3 +2 observer fair |
| 05:44.40 | irixcoz | im going to see if i can modify the bzfs code to only allow admins in the observer slots |
| 05:44.52 | irixcoz | ive had to reduce players to cut down lag etc |
| 05:45.03 | irixcoz | id rather just have admins(bzadmin) in observer |
| 05:45.40 | irixcoz | of course im Idiot Mchackey with C++ code |
| 05:50.16 | spldart | I noticed it was 13v13 now |
| 05:51.12 | spldart | I might be interested in your hack of bzfs if you get ahold of one... I would only like to have bzadmin client in observer slots and not bzflag clients as well |
| 05:51.33 | spldart | Your on linux right? |
| 05:51.59 | irixcoz | on one server yes |
| 05:52.15 | spldart | the one hepcat overlord rotations is on? |
| 05:53.06 | irixcoz | yeah those servers are leased from my hosting company, they build em on their hardware i lease the bandwidth/server |
| 05:53.14 | irixcoz | the new bzflag is freebsd |
| 05:54.11 | irixcoz | if i had my own cage/bandwidth id probably use sun solaris servers and a couple bsd dmz servers |
| 05:54.29 | irixcoz | id really love to host a 1024 cpu sgi origin 2000 shell server heh |
| 05:55.09 | irixcoz | but alas the community is not like it was circa 1988-91 |
| 05:55.19 | spldart | wow |
| 05:55.26 | irixcoz | id have it crawling with script kiddies within hours. only good thing is they wouldnt know wtf irix was |
| 05:55.40 | spldart | heh |
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| 05:56.05 | spldart | when was all this change suppossed to be finished and will there be any downtime? |
| 05:56.10 | spldart | Just curious if you don't mind :) |
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| 05:56.48 | irixcoz | im hoping to have the basic server online either early this am/tonight or tomorrow. a bit of downtime ill probably leave the original up with only 5 observer slots and a repeating message to go to the new one |
| 05:57.02 | irixcoz | it wont take long for people to see the name change in the server list |
| 05:57.03 | spldart | Ah... sweet |
| 05:57.08 | spldart | yep |
| 05:57.44 | irixcoz | i put the hepcat linux cat ascii in the server message upon login |
| 05:57.45 | irixcoz | heh |
| 05:57.52 | spldart | For some reason i just can't stop going to Hepcat to get my azz shot full of holes :( |
| 05:58.18 | irixcoz | i still dont know why 2.x crowd doesnt like pillbox. it was the most popular 1.x server |
| 05:59.28 | spldart | is it online to check out right now? |
| 05:59.32 | irixcoz | no |
| 05:59.37 | spldart | just checkikng |
| 05:59.44 | irixcoz | im still modifying the bzfs code |
| 05:59.49 | spldart | ic |
| 06:00.09 | irixcoz | and i have to setup the master ban webserver/url etc |
| 06:00.32 | irixcoz | my dsl outage caused a delay on this project heh |
| 06:01.37 | spldart | best of luck on what sounds like a larger project. |
| 06:01.45 | irixcoz | its not that big of a deal |
| 06:01.56 | irixcoz | the admin and player mailing lists will take far longer |
| 06:02.30 | irixcoz | im not putting any web forums up unfortunately, i might as well rootkit my own server then |
| 06:02.48 | spldart | I'm not very good with setting up stuff and needed JeffM to talk me through a compile (right word?) of a latest bzflag for my debian server :( |
| 06:02.53 | irixcoz | heh, 1.38M/s download on the hepcat.org server right now |
| 06:03.08 | irixcoz | 3 mins for a 400mb tar |
| 06:03.31 | irixcoz | yeah you had to compile bzfs/bzadmin for debian from latest cvs i assume |
| 06:04.01 | irixcoz | if its not windows thats the standard way, cvs co, autoconf and compile |
| 06:04.15 | spldart | yep... got some the latest files.... 6 hours old at the moment and did compile |
| 06:04.25 | spldart | wanted onCap ability |
| 06:04.41 | irixcoz | now that im adding changes im going to have to create diffs |
| 06:04.51 | irixcoz | ill have to apply them each time i update via cvs |
| 06:05.04 | irixcoz | and of course they will likely not apply cleanly :) |
| 06:05.32 | spldart | I understand roughly but not fully... :-/ |
| 06:05.45 | irixcoz | its not complex |
| 06:06.01 | irixcoz | i get a current cvs version, change some code and run the diff command |
| 06:06.52 | irixcoz | diff creates a textfile which captures the changes i made from the original source |
| 06:07.14 | irixcoz | i could then take that particular cvs source and apply all my changes with the patch command |
| 06:07.53 | irixcoz | but of course if the developers add new code/change things as they do my patch may not apply to the new code |
| 06:08.16 | spldart | Makes sense |
| 06:08.23 | irixcoz | then it gets fun. finding out the new differences and manually applying my changes |
| 06:08.31 | spldart | can you 'diff |
| 06:08.33 | spldart | ' |
| 06:08.39 | spldart | the old and new versions? |
| 06:08.45 | irixcoz | id prefer if they put out a regular release version more often |
| 06:08.45 | spldart | Get all the differences? |
| 06:08.52 | irixcoz | then i could diff against that cleanly |
| 06:09.10 | irixcoz | instead of the up to the minute bleeding edge cvs |
| 06:09.26 | irixcoz | but as you pointed out alot of new features/fixes go in daily :) |
| 06:09.30 | spldart | mmmMMMmmm bleeding edge :-p |
| 06:10.00 | irixcoz | for instance if i worked agains the 2.0.2 release or whatever it was i wouldnt have onCap |
| 06:10.12 | spldart | True... But it was fun being, i believe, the first one with that version of bzfs public :) |
| 06:10.12 | irixcoz | id have to wait for the next full release |
| 06:11.05 | irixcoz | also if the hepcat stuff ever begins to differ majorly or add alot of custom code i may not be able to just cvs update |
| 06:11.16 | irixcoz | id have to merge the cvs changes into the hepcat local branch |
| 06:11.49 | irixcoz | but since im an idiot coder that is unlikely unless i can court a slick C++ hacker to write alot of my bzflag ideas heh |
| 06:12.19 | spldart | And to think.... Up till a month or two ago. I had never practically used linux :-0 |
| 06:12.39 | irixcoz | one thing im going to do is make anyone who selfcaps their own flag blow up, return the flag to the middle and not kill the team or give the opposing team any points |
| 06:12.46 | spldart | And was experimenting with really lame windowized versions like lycoris |
| 06:13.11 | spldart | HAh!! I saw a dumb@#$ do that just today |
| 06:13.16 | irixcoz | heh, i didnt own a pc until i turned 30. ive still never run windows personally |
| 06:13.17 | spldart | Or should I say he almost did |
| 06:13.22 | irixcoz | ive only used it sparingly at jobs |
| 06:13.41 | irixcoz | ive had a unix workstation since 1988 |
| 06:13.45 | spldart | I shot him off my base as he landed next to the pad |
| 06:13.49 | spldart | twas funny. |
| 06:14.01 | spldart | My first computer was a trs-80 model 1 |
| 06:14.26 | spldart | Then model 3, vic 20, commodore 64, Apple II |
| 06:14.36 | irixcoz | my folks got us an apple //c when it first came out i used it in high school at that point |
| 06:14.48 | spldart | Apple II C with coprocesor, 486 dx2 66 |
| 06:14.51 | irixcoz | our schools had apple // and a few macs but majority of schools had no computers |
| 06:14.58 | spldart | yep |
| 06:15.27 | spldart | My middle school had Franklins, Apple clones, and HS had Apples with a few 386, 486 just appearing |
| 06:15.27 | irixcoz | i got an at&t 3B1 unix miniframe in early 88 from a friends dad for mowing their lawn all summer |
| 06:15.37 | irixcoz | motorola/att both had HQ in chicago |
| 06:16.16 | irixcoz | i used that thing all through college util i left school in the early 90s heh |
| 06:16.26 | irixcoz | i swear it weighed 200 lbs |
| 06:16.31 | spldart | Closest I got to a miniframe was working on Hazeltine terminals in very early 80's :-0 |
| 06:17.14 | spldart | I finished HS in 87 and college/tech school in 89 |
| 06:17.16 | irixcoz | this was great, it had a 67Mb mfm hard drive which was humongous in the day that no personal pc had a hard drive |
| 06:17.34 | irixcoz | the unix install was like 80 some 5 1/4 floppies |
| 06:17.44 | spldart | :eek: |
| 06:17.48 | irixcoz | with a 115 book manual set |
| 06:18.05 | irixcoz | system V rel 2 with bsd extensions :) |
| 06:18.41 | spldart | Except for the early machines using Basic I went straight to windoze and dos |
| 06:18.52 | irixcoz | my friends dad knew i liked computers so he got one (he was a high ranked att vp) figuring they were all the same |
| 06:19.02 | spldart | Never used linux/unix at all untill I started experimenting a year ago or so |
| 06:19.04 | irixcoz | it took me 2 weeks to figure out how to login/use it |
| 06:19.42 | irixcoz | the built in 1200baud att modem was the tops |
| 06:20.02 | spldart | wow |
| 06:20.17 | irixcoz | within a year i had my own UUCP node |
| 06:20.27 | spldart | when I finally got online 28 was the shiznit and 14 was the common speed... I'm a late starter |
| 06:21.12 | irixcoz | well i wouldnt have done anything "online" if i didnt have this unique machine |
| 06:21.22 | irixcoz | and a curiousity for what the telephone jack was for on a computer heh |
| 06:21.28 | spldart | :) |
| 06:21.35 | irixcoz | ok im heading home bb in 15 mins |
| 06:49.16 | spldart | I'm outty 500 nice talking with yah.... |
| 06:50.49 | cosmos | heh |
| 06:51.27 | cosmos | hrm, being a windows cluebie. if i install a new xp on my work pc myself can the domain admins login and take control of my pc? im figuring yes but who knows |
| 06:53.09 | SportChick | sgk284: ping |
| 06:55.58 | SportChick | hey cosmos |
| 07:31.26 | cosmos | gey SC |
| 07:31.29 | cosmos | your up late late late |
| 07:32.57 | cosmos | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=42943#42943 |
| 07:33.00 | cosmos | brb |
| 07:40.21 | brlcad | hmm |
| 07:42.15 | cosmos | i know it will probably further/lead to flames |
| 07:42.26 | cosmos | but i think it had to be stated |
| 07:43.07 | cosmos | also isnt as clear without my conversations with sportchick that day and the contents of my logs and bzbb PM from timpson |
| 07:43.12 | cosmos | but those cannot be posted heh |
| 07:44.13 | cosmos | ok really brb |
| 07:54.33 | cosmos | clarification: the whitelist functionality is based on globally registered callsigns right? ie i can whitelist cosmos and connect from any ips even banned ones |
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| 08:37.46 | cosmos | oh i see. create a global whitelist group and give them ANTIBAN perms |
| 08:38.09 | cosmos | ie HEPCAT.WHITELIST with same perms as HEPCAT.REGISTERED plus ANTIBAN |
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| 10:08.05 | koalabear | DTRemenak servers rock!! |
| 10:08.09 | koalabear | hehe |
| 10:08.20 | DTRemenak | koalabear: glad you like them :) |
| 10:08.29 | koalabear | Ah your here. |
| 10:08.34 | Tupone | what server you are referring ? |
| 10:08.39 | koalabear | Yes your server is the only one I can play on |
| 10:09.13 | koalabear | all the other US server I get 480ms and yours is 247 stable, which is awesome |
| 10:09.18 | DTRemenak | Tupone: apparently my bz servers have the lowest lag to australia or something :) |
| 10:09.18 | koalabear | I wonder why this is? |
| 10:09.27 | koalabear | yes this is right |
| 10:09.34 | koalabear | maybe it has to do with your connection |
| 10:09.47 | DTRemenak | koalabear: on a trunk line in LA |
| 10:10.13 | koalabear | maybe the link to the US from Australia is very near LA |
| 10:10.17 | Tupone | dtremenak.bakadigital.com:6001 ? |
| 10:10.24 | koalabear | yes I think so |
| 10:10.37 | koalabear | I think it said it was experimental or something |
| 10:10.47 | koalabear | was playing rabit I think |
| 10:10.49 | DTRemenak | Tupone: lag should be the same to all of them. I think 5156, 6000, 6001, 6002, and 7000 are running right now |
| 10:10.54 | DTRemenak | that sounds like 7000 |
| 10:11.00 | DTRemenak | no flags? |
| 10:11.00 | koalabear | I was too busy being fragged to hell |
| 10:11.08 | koalabear | flags yes |
| 10:11.10 | koalabear | lots of wings |
| 10:11.15 | koalabear | and no radar |
| 10:11.19 | koalabear | very nice |
| 10:11.23 | DTRemenak | ah, 6001. not rabbit hunt tho ;) |
| 10:11.25 | koalabear | when you have CL flag |
| 10:11.42 | koalabear | I was on as super tanker |
| 10:12.13 | koalabear | and some guy/girl called delievery boy was doing some major damage to my ultra tank driving skills. :) |
| 10:12.26 | DTRemenak | yeah he gets a lot of "practice" ;) |
| 10:12.40 | koalabear | Is that you :) |
| 10:12.44 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 10:13.03 | koalabear | Oh |
| 10:13.07 | koalabear | well it was heaps of fun |
| 10:13.17 | DTRemenak | if I'm on I'll be playing as DTRemenak |
| 10:13.29 | koalabear | I have not been able to play on any servers in the US at all, so it was great to play real ppl and not bots for a change. |
| 10:13.33 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 10:13.43 | koalabear | :) |
| 10:13.44 | cosmos | heh |
| 10:13.51 | cosmos | love those servers with 15 bots on them |
| 10:13.58 | DTRemenak | always more fun to have living opponents :) |
| 10:14.34 | Pimpi | hide'n'seek? yeah, the server is fun |
| 10:14.49 | cosmos | im spoiled though as i cannot recall the Hepcat servers ever having under 15 active players outside of early am |
| 10:15.41 | DTRemenak | hills averages 9 players |
| 10:15.43 | koalabear | yeah hepcat with that amazing map OH boy. I have heaps of fun just watching |
| 10:15.57 | koalabear | I like to see the real newbies and the pros |
| 10:15.58 | cosmos | which map |
| 10:16.00 | cosmos | overlord |
| 10:16.03 | koalabear | yes |
| 10:16.03 | cosmos | or babel |
| 10:16.05 | koalabear | overload |
| 10:16.08 | cosmos | heh |
| 10:16.09 | koalabear | lord |
| 10:16.16 | koalabear | gets pretty loaded |
| 10:16.29 | cosmos | i was amazed how popular it became when i first put it up last year |
| 10:16.30 | koalabear | I think one of the good playes is granys remedy |
| 10:16.51 | koalabear | Yeah its just has the right stuff |
| 10:16.59 | cosmos | im still confused with the ANTIBAN perms hrm |
| 10:17.00 | koalabear | lots of action not too big |
| 10:17.07 | DTRemenak | course hills also claims there's only been 1 player on for the last 3 hours |
| 10:17.15 | DTRemenak | wonder if someone's been sitting there paused :S |
| 10:17.27 | koalabear | probably waiting for someone else to join |
| 10:17.35 | DTRemenak | for three hours? :) |
| 10:17.44 | cosmos | very few remember the very first hepcat.org server heh |
| 10:17.44 | DTRemenak | seems a touch excessive to me :) |
| 10:17.56 | cosmos | pillbox map with superflags, rico, jumping and 10 shots |
| 10:17.59 | cosmos | it was a madhouse |
| 10:18.01 | koalabear | there are hardcore players out there. |
| 10:18.09 | koalabear | I like max of 5 |
| 10:18.14 | DTRemenak | pillbox jumping 10 shots? that's crazy |
| 10:18.16 | koalabear | gives me a chance to get close |
| 10:18.42 | koalabear | then I jump do a 180 and some other guy on the same team wacks me. |
| 10:18.47 | koalabear | but that is bzflag fun |
| 10:18.57 | cosmos | yeah my first server was really just me messing around |
| 10:19.10 | cosmos | it just happened to get very busy very fast |
| 10:19.28 | DTRemenak | yeah, some just take off |
| 10:19.29 | koalabear | that hecat is top of the list |
| 10:19.45 | koalabear | with overlord |
| 10:19.52 | cosmos | well now its a known name |
| 10:20.02 | koalabear | not wrong. |
| 10:20.06 | koalabear | what's its name? |
| 10:20.07 | DTRemenak | when I put hills up, biya evangelised for a few days and got it pretty full, and it's stayed that way ever since |
| 10:20.29 | cosmos | ive wondered if i put up another identical server with a different hostname and map |
| 10:20.34 | cosmos | if it would get popular too |
| 10:20.39 | koalabear | I bet |
| 10:20.43 | koalabear | no doubt about that |
| 10:20.47 | DTRemenak | doubt it...there's not much room for two identical servers |
| 10:20.47 | Pimpi | viper isn't as crowded as it used to be, i'm quite happy of that |
| 10:20.55 | DTRemenak | especially with many players per server |
| 10:21.00 | cosmos | i think it got popular due to allowing alot of players and not being super laggy |
| 10:21.22 | DTRemenak | that's not the only reason, ever |
| 10:21.31 | koalabear | lag dotn worry about it |
| 10:21.42 | koalabear | lag makes it more interesting |
| 10:21.45 | koalabear | :) |
| 10:21.56 | DTRemenak | e.g. why is 6001 always full and everything else usually empty when I run 6 servers on the same machine? :) |
| 10:22.05 | cosmos | heh i didnt limit players at first |
| 10:22.11 | cosmos | it hit over 50 a few times |
| 10:22.20 | koalabear | 50 WOW!!!! |
| 10:22.35 | cosmos | but it became unplayable |
| 10:22.37 | koalabear | the action would of been out of this world |
| 10:22.39 | DTRemenak | most I've ever hit is 29. that was rather insane |
| 10:22.46 | koalabear | I bet. |
| 10:23.00 | koalabear | but its good for a newbie |
| 10:23.04 | cosmos | before last week i had 30 active players and 5 observer, almost always full |
| 10:23.05 | DTRemenak | a lot of players start getting laggy just from the sheer volume of updates |
| 10:23.15 | cosmos | i had to bring it down a bit due to lag spikes |
| 10:23.32 | koalabear | I see someservers with 200 limit |
| 10:23.38 | koalabear | but that is a joke right |
| 10:23.45 | DTRemenak | that's just the maximum |
| 10:23.46 | koalabear | I dont think 200 tanks would fit |
| 10:24.00 | cosmos | pillbox is the only map that can handle 40+ players well. no flags, no rico, limited shots |
| 10:24.02 | DTRemenak | theoretically you could fill it if you had the bandwidth and a very large map |
| 10:24.06 | cosmos | reduces overhead alot |
| 10:24.21 | koalabear | sounds good to me |
| 10:24.24 | cosmos | we have filled 200+ in a LAN environment |
| 10:24.32 | cosmos | and bzflag was originally a LAN game |
| 10:24.44 | koalabear | darn hates rico, you think you are in the clear, and forget about behind you |
| 10:24.52 | DTRemenak | watch the radar ;) |
| 10:24.59 | koalabear | dont get a chance |
| 10:25.09 | cosmos | hell my first bzflag server was probably in 1994 |
| 10:25.18 | cosmos | on our indy dept server |
| 10:25.19 | koalabear | I'm not one of those lizards that can move each eye in different directions |
| 10:25.32 | DTRemenak | koalabear: so don't watch the screen, just use radar |
| 10:25.53 | koalabear | what I would miss out on the awesome bzflag graphics |
| 10:25.57 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 10:26.01 | DTRemenak | that was half-jesting ;) |
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| 10:26.16 | koalabear | :) |
| 10:26.34 | DTRemenak | but seriously you can use radar 50%+ of the time and be a better player for it. 'cept on hills of course... |
| 10:26.45 | koalabear | with no radar |
| 10:26.49 | DTRemenak | yup :) |
| 10:26.52 | koalabear | I think it was hills |
| 10:26.54 | koalabear | and I loved it |
| 10:27.03 | koalabear | boy is the cl flag a good one |
| 10:27.19 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 10:27.20 | koalabear | I was hot on the tails of the other tanks, I didnt' shoot until I was almost on them |
| 10:27.38 | DTRemenak | one-shot kills are very easy with cl on that setup |
| 10:27.45 | DTRemenak | bang...boom |
| 10:28.00 | koalabear | I was like some creature the lived on the bottom of the bat cave, feasting on newbies looking for that lazer flag. |
| 10:28.06 | DTRemenak | nhaha |
| 10:28.08 | DTRemenak | gah |
| 10:28.10 | DTRemenak | ~n |
| 10:28.10 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much |
| 10:28.38 | koalabear | I tell you fighting with wings is a real skill |
| 10:28.49 | koalabear | just staying alive is really tricky |
| 10:29.02 | DTRemenak | yeah, unlimited wings dogfights with vertical-velocity shots are a totally different challenge |
| 10:29.15 | koalabear | takes alot of skill |
| 10:29.46 | cosmos | im still puzzled why the very popular pillbox map/style in 1.x is so unpopular now with the 2.x crowd |
| 10:30.01 | DTRemenak | there are a lot of hardcore pillbox folks out there still |
| 10:30.12 | koalabear | I was watching ruskie on some map |
| 10:30.23 | DTRemenak | think you just lost all the casual players for some reason |
| 10:30.32 | cosmos | yeah but on 1.x we sustained 30+ pillbox all the time |
| 10:30.35 | koalabear | but it was a map that was juts too big |
| 10:30.41 | cosmos | you cant sustain more than about 8 on 2.x |
| 10:30.48 | koalabear | had a big wall in the middle |
| 10:31.01 | koalabear | I really didn't enjoy the map at all. |
| 10:31.29 | DTRemenak | takes all types |
| 10:31.38 | Pimpi | yeah, thats viper, you love the map or you hate it |
| 10:31.40 | koalabear | it has some good ideas, but |
| 10:31.49 | Pimpi | 2Castles |
| 10:32.15 | koalabear | its overlord or hills for me |
| 10:32.18 | Pimpi | it's really fun if yu have a good team |
| 10:32.19 | cosmos | i also did not care for the modifications silverfox and team 6 did, adding graphics and areas to drop your flag back to base etc heh |
| 10:32.25 | koalabear | I'd love to play overlord |
| 10:32.25 | DTRemenak | :6000 is a variation on two castles too, iirc |
| 10:32.30 | Pimpi | mostly you don'ßt have it though |
| 10:32.49 | Pimpi | realy? lemme c |
| 10:32.56 | koalabear | well DT |
| 10:33.19 | koalabear | I shall be checking out DTRemenak servers for sure. |
| 10:33.48 | DTRemenak | heh. I think my personal favorite is :7000 but nobody ever plays it. 3 shot jumping no flags rabbit hunt. |
| 10:34.12 | cosmos | the amount of work/effort the very popular servers require needs to be better understood by the players too IMHO |
| 10:34.36 | DTRemenak | actually hills has been amazingly little effort |
| 10:34.40 | Pimpi | they will never understand |
| 10:34.55 | koalabear | True |
| 10:35.02 | cosmos | they may not be as rude, demanding, obnoxious if they saw what went on |
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| 10:35.13 | koalabear | is it that hard? |
| 10:35.24 | Pimpi | it's no server that allows much tk'ing and stuff |
| 10:35.32 | DTRemenak | 'course I spent about two weeks setting up the framework that runs everything but after that virtually nothing. appointed decent admins and let them run the show. |
| 10:35.42 | koalabear | I think you get alot of young kids windows users that probably dont undertsand bzflag |
| 10:35.57 | cosmos | i cant even fathom why anyone would even think threatening a server owner would get their way |
| 10:36.01 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 10:36.10 | DTRemenak | I have no idea |
| 10:36.14 | DTRemenak | makes no sense at all to me |
| 10:36.14 | koalabear | geeze must be on drugs |
| 10:36.23 | koalabear | or mabye a windoze xp user. |
| 10:36.34 | cosmos | we probably attract the largest new player, casual kid than most |
| 10:36.48 | Pimpi | there are a lot of good and nice win players out there |
| 10:36.51 | cosmos | and most of the troublemakers are young linux users |
| 10:36.54 | DTRemenak | only had one guy actually threaten me. had a couple threaten Tread and a few threaten the server. |
| 10:37.03 | koalabear | its funny when you watching someone and they are trying to hide the fact that they are team killers |
| 10:37.06 | cosmos | with their delusions of hacking grandeur |
| 10:37.24 | DTRemenak | anytime anyone threatens me or my admins they end up in ipfw |
| 10:37.31 | cosmos | the windows types mostly complain about the graphics |
| 10:37.52 | koalabear | ipfw that is something to so with ip filtering |
| 10:38.21 | koalabear | Yes I saw that |
| 10:38.23 | DTRemenak | yup. just block their ip range from the kernel. |
| 10:38.25 | cosmos | host based firewall |
| 10:38.53 | cosmos | i think we are close to winning the war on lamers at hepcat though |
| 10:38.59 | koalabear | I can't believe that players would complain about a free game that rocks and great game play,and has pretty good graphics to boot |
| 10:39.09 | DTRemenak | just about everything gets handled by the admin staff though. if there's a problem I read the logs, I keep *everything* logged permanently. |
| 10:39.14 | Chestal | cosmos: hmm, you said that with 1.10 you could run pillbox server with more players than with 2.0? |
| 10:39.25 | cosmos | with some custom code changes and easier admin policies and interaction with players |
| 10:39.46 | Pimpi | i had much success with my trusties |
| 10:39.58 | koalabear | your trusties? |
| 10:40.01 | cosmos | chestal no i was stating that the 1.x servers had more players overall and more on all the time |
| 10:40.09 | Chestal | cosmos: ah, ok |
| 10:40.09 | cosmos | on 2.x it doesnt seemt o be very popular |
| 10:40.23 | cosmos | for whatever reason |
| 10:40.54 | Pimpi | koalabear: my cops can add players to a group "local.trusted", that includes smartban and stuff |
| 10:41.07 | koalabear | Ah I see. |
| 10:41.22 | Pimpi | there are quite a lot now and there's almost always one of them around |
| 10:41.30 | cosmos | we are implementing our own masterban list at hepcat, controlled by my 5 core admins, limiting cops to 1day bans and regular admins cannot permaban but can set time other than that |
| 10:41.33 | DTRemenak | Pimpi: so you use three levels of authorized peeps? |
| 10:41.35 | Chestal | cosmos: yes, I noticed that, too. Last coupel times I wanted to play pillbox map, only 2 or 3 players were on one of the servers |
| 10:41.44 | Pimpi | DTRemenak: yeah |
| 10:41.47 | koalabear | you know I have been doing lots of watching, *kicks the silly ping thing* and some of the players are just so awesome. |
| 10:42.03 | koalabear | the best I have seen so far would be TRAC |
| 10:42.13 | cosmos | also alot more detailed ingame help including rules, contact info, registration help etc |
| 10:42.23 | Pimpi | DTRemenak: and my cops are caring for "their" trusties |
| 10:42.50 | DTRemenak | Pimpi: cool. on my server there's just local.admin (five of us) and local.trusted. trusted takes care of almost everything, there's usually one on. |
| 10:42.53 | koalabear | I remember seeing this guy that had a tiny tank and a lazer |
| 10:42.54 | cosmos | and soon, anti self flag capture code |
| 10:42.58 | koalabear | I thought that was a bit odd |
| 10:43.11 | koalabear | he was on helcat |
| 10:43.43 | koalabear | I wonder if that was a cheat |
| 10:43.49 | cosmos | unfortunately 95% of the trust is in the client |
| 10:43.55 | cosmos | cheats are not hard to make |
| 10:44.18 | DTRemenak | some of them can be very subtle too. those are the really dangerous ones. |
| 10:44.19 | koalabear | So I take it that you can only have one flag at a time. |
| 10:44.28 | cosmos | but are usually very obvious and easy to detect |
| 10:44.29 | DTRemenak | always amazes me how many people *blatantly* cheat |
| 10:44.49 | DTRemenak | and how few cheat subtly, when they could get away with that sooo much easier |
| 10:45.08 | cosmos | i would probably try making some cheats if i were 15 |
| 10:45.09 | koalabear | that is easy, the cheaters are juts not smart. :) |
| 10:45.24 | DTRemenak | koalabear: yeah no kidding :) |
| 10:45.40 | cosmos | its not unusual for teenage types to find that fun |
| 10:45.52 | DTRemenak | cosmos: I started playing when I was about 15. never had a desire to cheat though. |
| 10:46.03 | koalabear | to its too much fun |
| 10:46.11 | cosmos | but its very boring after 30 seconds to most adults |
| 10:46.16 | koalabear | even when you are getting fragged to bits |
| 10:46.44 | DTRemenak | course I started by playing on a lan. everyone could see if you're cheating or not :) |
| 10:46.52 | cosmos | id be more interested in successfully modifying the code than cheating DT, i dont play much as it is |
| 10:47.00 | Chestal | I made two modifications to my clients which could be condiered cheats. That was back then, when I was only playing in LAN, and even then it was only for 15 minutes or so that I used those |
| 10:47.09 | cosmos | i dont understand the cheaters that do it for hours |
| 10:47.21 | Chestal | good step to get into bzflag coding :-) |
| 10:47.42 | cosmos | DT: bzflag did not exist in 1985 or i may have begun playing as a teenager myself |
| 10:47.47 | koalabear | maybe the cheaters are all good coders |
| 10:47.47 | koalabear | :) |
| 10:47.51 | DTRemenak | the only time I built a client with cheats was to test cheat-detection code :) |
| 10:48.24 | koalabear | :) |
| 10:48.41 | Pimpi | the colored flags on radar cheat was kinda subtle and i'm sure many players wouldn't see it as a harmful cheat |
| 10:48.52 | cosmos | i built one on 1.x once to jump on the pillbox no jumping server to specifically annoy one of my admins :) |
| 10:48.58 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 10:49.13 | cosmos | ahh well, its almost 4am, nite folks |
| 10:49.24 | Pimpi | nite cosmos |
| 10:49.26 | DTRemenak | man, the fire alarm has been going off for like 15 minutes. getting really annoying. |
| 10:49.27 | koalabear | well is time to give that delievey boy some pay back! |
| 10:49.33 | koalabear | night cosmos |
| 10:49.58 | koalabear | I love gettign punished :) |
| 10:50.02 | koalabear | take care everyone |
| 10:50.06 | DTRemenak | c'ya koalabear |
| 10:50.22 | koalabear | and of course DTRemenak servers rock!! hehe |
| 10:50.25 | DTRemenak | like cosmos said, 4am :) |
| 10:50.36 | koalabear | sleep |
| 10:50.39 | Pimpi | there are some cheats that don't seem to harm others and players don't feel bad using them |
| 10:51.19 | EruditeHermit | Pimpi: any cheat that gives you an unfair advantage is harmful to other players |
| 10:51.20 | EruditeHermit | =p |
| 10:51.20 | DTRemenak | they do harm others if they give you an advantage you "shouldn't" have. course that's rather subjective. |
| 10:51.49 | DTRemenak | and it doesn't matter if they feel bad, they still are cheating and lame :) |
| 10:52.02 | Pimpi | as i said, they don't _seem_ to harm |
| 10:52.10 | Chestal | the line between non-cheatign and cheating client modification is not quite clear |
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| 10:53.07 | Pimpi | DTRemenak: thats why i root them out where i find those cheaters ;) |
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| 10:53.22 | DTRemenak | Pimpi: :) |
| 10:53.37 | DTRemenak | Chestal: unfortunately that's very true |
| 10:54.07 | Pimpi | yeah, think about the discussions about oversized radar or fast mouse |
| 10:54.19 | DTRemenak | hadn't had anyone accuse me of cheating for using the shot reload timers before they were widely available, but I almost expected it. |
| 10:55.07 | Pimpi | what are shot reload timers? |
| 10:55.19 | DTRemenak | bars on the right side of the mousebox in 2.0.3 |
| 10:55.27 | Pimpi | ah, yeah |
| 10:55.30 | DTRemenak | show when you have which shots available |
| 10:55.40 | Pimpi | yeah, i use them too |
| 10:55.54 | DTRemenak | I find them incredibly helpful, my innate timing sense sucks :) |
| 10:55.55 | Pimpi | nice feature |
| 10:56.27 | josago | but that is only implemented on 2.0.3, isn't it? |
| 10:56.31 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 10:57.22 | josago | when is 2.0.3 going to come? |
| 10:57.45 | Pimpi | maybe soon |
| 10:57.58 | DTRemenak | 2.0.4 will be released as soon as some lurking DNS resolution issues are fixed, assuming nothing else comes up |
| 10:59.02 | DTRemenak | if you're on windows or mac there are beta binaries posted if you'd like to try it out. on linux or whatever else you can always check out cvs and build it to play with :) |
| 10:59.30 | josago | I'll build CVS, then :) |
| 10:59.36 | Pimpi | i heard about frequent client crashes lately |
| 11:00.08 | Pimpi | since i updated my server binary |
| 11:00.15 | DTRemenak | there are a couple people who are getting occasional client crashes. unfortunately none of them has been able to give us a backtrace. |
| 11:00.27 | Pimpi | yeah |
| 11:00.42 | josago | with the 2.0.3 server? |
| 11:00.43 | Pimpi | myself i never had problems with that |
| 11:00.51 | DTRemenak | and until it happens to me I dunno what to say :) |
| 11:00.53 | Pimpi | client is running rock solid here |
| 11:00.58 | DTRemenak | yeah, exactly :) |
| 11:01.21 | josago | lol |
| 11:01.58 | DTRemenak | so fun to fell the bzzzzzt bzzzt bzzzt bzzzt when you die :) |
| 11:02.03 | DTRemenak | feel even :) |
| 11:02.21 | DTRemenak | and the little backwards TICK when you fire a shot |
| 11:02.57 | DTRemenak | resistance forces still aren't working quite right. has to reset every half second or so and so it feels like you're driving over train tracks :) |
| 11:03.00 | Pimpi | maybe it's time to buy a joystick |
| 11:03.39 | Pimpi | will it work with linux? |
| 11:03.56 | josago | depends on the joysktick you choose |
| 11:04.17 | DTRemenak | the EvDev<->bzflag interface doesn't yet handle directional force feedback |
| 11:04.26 | DTRemenak | I'm probably gonna get to that tomorrow |
| 11:04.43 | DTRemenak | and yeah, make sure to choose a supported joystick |
| 11:05.10 | DTRemenak | linux only seems to completely support a few FF joysticks and it took me quite a while to find a matching one |
| 11:05.37 | josago | i've got a M$ one and it works! |
| 11:05.45 | DTRemenak | e.g. the Logitech Wingman Force works, but the newer Wingman Force 3D does NOT work. |
| 11:06.05 | ruskie | someone complimented me on my fighting???? |
| 11:06.28 | DTRemenak | josago: in bzflag? |
| 11:06.58 | Pimpi | ruskie rocks |
| 11:07.09 | josago | I don't know if it works in bz because I prefer playins with the mouse, but at least it works in Linux |
| 11:07.32 | DTRemenak | I'd bet that the input part of the joystick works and the force feedback doesn't, at the moment :) |
| 11:07.53 | josago | lol |
| 11:08.01 | DTRemenak | but the linux drivers might do something directinput doesn't, and let you actually feel the rumble effects on a directional ff joystick |
| 11:08.31 | DTRemenak | heh, on windows the rumble effects just assigned themselves directions, since they're implemented as constant forces |
| 11:08.43 | DTRemenak | so when I fired I'd jerk to the left and forward |
| 11:08.46 | DTRemenak | really annoying :) |
| 11:09.13 | DTRemenak | better to have it properly supported directionally anyway :) |
| 11:09.14 | Pimpi | seems i finally cot curl working with c-ares |
| 11:09.24 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 11:09.27 | Pimpi | s/cot/got |
| 11:10.04 | Pimpi | used bz's libcares.a to build curl ;) |
| 11:10.13 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's what I did on windows too :) |
| 11:11.26 | josago | does anyone know if the vars _latitude and _longitude are working properly? |
| 11:11.59 | Pimpi | not fr sure, but i think they should |
| 11:12.19 | DTRemenak | at the time I put them in, they worked properly...but positive and negative for east and west are probably backwards from what you think they should be |
| 11:12.33 | DTRemenak | e.g. positive is west or something crazy like that |
| 11:12.37 | josago | i ask because with my coords they don't work as they should |
| 11:12.58 | josago | so west is positive? |
| 11:13.00 | josago | lol |
| 11:13.14 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 11:13.24 | josago | and then north is...? |
| 11:13.32 | DTRemenak | north is positive, iirc |
| 11:13.49 | josago | so then the only change are east/west |
| 11:13.55 | DTRemenak | I think so yeah :) |
| 11:14.10 | DTRemenak | that was a long time ago though |
| 11:14.18 | josago | i think that should be fixed |
| 11:14.21 | josago | it is a mess! |
| 11:14.28 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 11:14.33 | ruskie | lol |
| 11:14.39 | ruskie | or atleast documented properly :) |
| 11:14.42 | Pimpi | ~pw |
| 11:14.42 | ibot | rumour has it, patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 11:15.10 | DTRemenak | yeah if you can get it all working to use, like, standard coordinates and stuff, that would be cool :) |
| 11:15.19 | DTRemenak | needs testing too though :) |
| 11:15.25 | josago | yeah, but i don't have c programming skills :( |
| 11:15.51 | DTRemenak | also remember that you need to enable synclocation in order for _latitude and _longitude to affect the client |
| 11:15.52 | Pimpi | we all were at that point once... |
| 11:16.08 | josago | i enabled that too |
| 11:16.22 | DTRemenak | josago: I had written maybe 50 lines of C code and no C++ when I submitted my first patch to bz :) |
| 11:16.40 | DTRemenak | course I spend about a week on it, making sure it was perfect |
| 11:16.46 | josago | lol |
| 11:16.53 | josago | is it difficult to learn c? |
| 11:17.01 | Pimpi | yes and no |
| 11:17.09 | josago | explain, please :) |
| 11:17.11 | DTRemenak | not really, especially if you know some other procedural language |
| 11:17.20 | josago | i know perl and bash |
| 11:17.32 | DTRemenak | c would not be much of a challenge for you then |
| 11:17.42 | Pimpi | the syntax isn't much more difficult than most other languages |
| 11:17.48 | DTRemenak | as long as you can "get" pointers ;) |
| 11:18.07 | josago | then I think i'll give c I try |
| 11:18.33 | Pimpi | c has many traps that "higher" level languages don't have though |
| 11:19.26 | josago | btw, at the computer carrer do toy learn c? |
| 11:19.35 | DTRemenak | the only big thing to remember in c is that you need to do all the memory management yourself for anything non-trivial. you will probably spend a lot of time debugging crashes for array overruns and stuff. "Segmentation fault" is not a very informative error message in and of itself ;) |
| 11:19.51 | Chestal | hmm, I have disabled the reload indicator. Guess I am too old for new stuff :-) |
| 11:19.54 | josago | :) |
| 11:20.18 | Chestal | and then, I really need to know not only my own reload, but that of my opponent, too, anyway |
| 11:20.48 | Chestal | and it's too much information on my screen, but if it helps some people, it's ok :-) |
| 11:21.02 | Pimpi | i found it helpful on multi shot servers, which you don't play iirc ;) |
| 11:21.15 | DTRemenak | I actually find it most helpfull on 3-shot |
| 11:21.49 | DTRemenak | two-shot you don't really need the information...either you already need to shoot, or you don't need to shoot yet. whether your reloaded is kinda irrelevant, it just determines if you live or die :) |
| 11:22.19 | DTRemenak | wow |
| 11:22.38 | DTRemenak | must be getting late. s/helpfull/helpful, s/your/you're |
| 11:23.09 | DTRemenak | g'night folks, it's 4:30 am here |
| 11:23.17 | josago | lol |
| 11:23.26 | josago | here is Spain is 13:22 |
| 11:23.33 | Pimpi | no, if you have a shot you goin position to shoot, if not you wont. if you don't have a shot while you think you have ou're daed |
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| 11:24.09 | Pimpi | man, it's not even late here, and look at my mess ;) |
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| 11:25.09 | Pimpi | :) |
| 11:29.49 | Pimpi | the penis enlargers just work up, 5 spam emails within the last 15 minutes (those who passed my fiters...) |
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| 11:37.09 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, heh |
| 11:37.10 | Pimpi | wb mademouselle Darth Valou |
| 11:37.15 | DarthValou | hello :) |
| 11:37.19 | Pimpi | hi _Manu_ :) |
| 11:37.21 | DarthValou | i think the dub server crashed? |
| 11:37.32 | _Manu_ | yes... and viper too :/ |
| 11:37.35 | _Manu_ | just now |
| 11:37.49 | _Manu_ | running again |
| 11:37.55 | Pimpi | oh, yeah there might be a reason for that ;) |
| 11:38.06 | _Manu_ | I imagined it.. heh |
| 11:38.09 | DarthValou | hehe |
| 11:38.22 | Pimpi | need to restart it anyway in 2-3 mionutes |
| 11:38.25 | _Manu_ | then removing run order... |
| 11:39.32 | _Manu_ | josago, spanish? |
| 11:39.38 | Pimpi | aaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiieeee |
| 11:39.53 | josago | yes, _Manu_ |
| 11:40.10 | _Manu_ | difficult to se a spanish here :/ |
| 11:40.23 | josago | are you spanish too? |
| 11:40.23 | Pimpi | bzfs refuses to strip binaries |
| 11:40.24 | Pimpi | argh |
| 11:40.34 | _Manu_ | jomojo, yes |
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| 11:40.56 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, refuses? |
| 11:41.11 | _Manu_ | run strip by hand... :) |
| 11:41.15 | Pimpi | think i forgot to install |
| 11:41.31 | _Manu_ | at the end got linked ares static? |
| 11:41.44 | _Manu_ | well c-ares and curl |
| 11:41.59 | Pimpi | yeah, i just took libcares.a from bz ;) |
| 11:42.12 | _Manu_ | I know :) |
| 11:42.25 | _Manu_ | then dependencies for woody removed :) |
| 11:43.07 | josago | I'm leaving: bye all and have fun! |
| 11:43.33 | Pimpi | cu josago |
| 11:43.43 | _Manu_ | adios josago! |
| 11:43.50 | josago | adios1 |
| 11:44.22 | Pimpi | argh, 1vs1 failed |
| 11:44.40 | _Manu_ | at last.. not too much players afected ;-p |
| 11:45.50 | _Manu_ | what kind of bot is TheLastSpartan` |
| 11:45.51 | TheLastSpartan` | I don't know. |
| 11:45.56 | _Manu_ | !SSH |
| 11:45.57 | TheLastSpartan` | _Manu_: are you 11? |
| 11:46.05 | _Manu_ | bored :/ |
| 11:46.15 | _Manu_ | !z |
| 11:46.16 | TheLastSpartan` | _Manu_: Huh? |
| 11:46.38 | _Manu_ | it respond to the ! |
| 11:46.43 | Pimpi | spartan is a supybot |
| 11:46.53 | _Manu_ | supy? what that means? |
| 11:47.06 | Pimpi | superb python bot |
| 11:47.32 | Pimpi | ~google supybot |
| 11:48.40 | _Manu_ | ic |
| 11:49.40 | Pimpi | it's ex guu |
| 11:49.53 | _Manu_ | ah.. heh |
| 11:52.36 | Pimpi | now |
| 11:52.47 | Pimpi | 1vs1 up again |
| 11:52.52 | _Manu_ | viper is up too |
| 11:53.02 | Pimpi | yeah it was before |
| 11:53.15 | Pimpi | 1vs1 failed because i forgot to apply the patch |
| 11:53.22 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 11:53.41 | Pimpi | and before it crashed after i replaced libcurl |
| 11:53.56 | Pimpi | wouldn't have expected that |
| 11:54.35 | _Manu_ | curl seems working fine.. and with c-ares better |
| 11:54.36 | Pimpi | top |
| 11:54.48 | _Manu_ | unknown command... |
| 11:56.10 | Pimpi | hehe |
| 11:56.18 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 11:56.26 | Pimpi | my top is more busy than yours ;) |
| 11:56.33 | _Manu_ | there is one defuncted sshd... |
| 11:56.42 | _Manu_ | lol |
| 11:56.51 | Pimpi | yeah, mut be mine |
| 11:57.23 | Pimpi | remnant from disconnect |
| 11:58.15 | Pimpi | have you heard of more client crashes lately? |
| 11:58.27 | _Manu_ | your is higher because your pid is lower.. k |
| 11:58.54 | _Manu_ | no |
| 11:59.13 | Pimpi | priority is higher |
| 11:59.43 | _Manu_ | well.. mine now crashes some times... :/ |
| 11:59.56 | Pimpi | hmm |
| 12:00.10 | Pimpi | tried on other servers? |
| 12:00.15 | _Manu_ | no |
| 12:00.39 | _Manu_ | but 2.0.2 never crashes |
| 12:00.49 | Pimpi | still playing on freebsd? |
| 12:00.56 | _Manu_ | no.. this is gentoo |
| 12:01.24 | Pimpi | so it might be a client issue |
| 12:01.27 | _Manu_ | freebsd is not very good for playing |
| 12:01.39 | _Manu_ | yes, I think so.... |
| 12:02.10 | Pimpi | i was confused by reports about clients only crashing on viper |
| 12:02.32 | Pimpi | but i found nothing that affected the protocol lately |
| 12:02.43 | Pimpi | *no change |
| 12:02.56 | _Manu_ | really no, only the curl stuff |
| 12:03.39 | Pimpi | need to do some work now :( |
| 12:03.48 | _Manu_ | I noticed it usually crashes when you send or receive a message |
| 12:04.00 | _Manu_ | cu |
| 12:04.12 | Pimpi | later |
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| 12:54.46 | ibunny | hello |
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| 13:05.54 | ryan42 | anyone having problems with the CVS right now? |
| 13:06.07 | ryan42 | i grabbed the latest. |
| 13:06.29 | ryan42 | i ran aclocal autoheader automake --add-missing and autoconf and it still says ./config.sub is missing when I ./configure |
| 13:06.56 | ryan42 | BZFlag-2.0.3.20050716 |
| 13:06.56 | ryan42 | configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub |
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| 13:07.05 | ryan42 | hi |
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| 13:46.37 | Pimpi | ryan42: ran autogen.sh ? |
| 13:46.42 | ryan42 | eyah |
| 13:46.54 | ryan42 | i just copied the config.* files from the 2.0.2 source |
| 13:46.56 | ryan42 | it is building now |
| 13:47.06 | ryan42 | and taking an ungodly long time. |
| 13:48.14 | ryan42 | done. |
| 13:48.15 | ryan42 | :-) |
| 13:56.40 | ryan42 | ok, anyone here got a mac? |
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| 14:35.03 | Pimpi | ryan42: usually lots o them |
| 14:35.16 | ryan42 | you wanna do a test? |
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| 14:47.39 | josago | hi all |
| 14:48.44 | blast007 | hello |
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| 14:54.29 | blast007 | I'm getting "File transfer terminated with error from libcurl 7 : Failed connect to my.BZFlag.org:80; No error" |
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| 14:54.47 | blast007 | latest anon CVS, libcurl 7.14.0 |
| 14:54.50 | ryan42 | ok |
| 14:54.52 | ryan42 | who's got a mac? |
| 14:54.54 | dartman | hi all |
| 14:54.57 | dartman | me |
| 14:54.58 | ryan42 | that's running right now, OS X. |
| 14:54.58 | ryan42 | ok |
| 14:55.00 | josago | hi |
| 14:55.04 | dartman | yeah |
| 14:55.05 | dartman | me |
| 14:55.08 | ryan42 | http://homepage.mac.com/ryan42/.Documents/cvsbz.zip |
| 14:55.10 | ryan42 | check it. |
| 14:55.29 | dartman | 04 |
| 14:55.33 | ryan42 | dammit |
| 14:55.34 | dartman | 404 |
| 14:56.02 | dartman | anyways |
| 14:56.07 | ryan42 | someone remind me again why I pay 99 a year for something that works 2% of the time? |
| 14:56.10 | dartman | i need help from a forum admin |
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| 14:56.21 | ryan42 | i'll make a page for it |
| 14:56.35 | dartman | hi SC |
| 14:57.15 | dartman | any forum admins on and active? |
| 14:57.23 | dartman | as in bzflag forums |
| 15:01.26 | SportChick | hi dartman |
| 15:01.37 | SportChick | dtr is probably asleep and I don't see bryjen around |
| 15:02.59 | orchid | dartman: what is the problem? |
| 15:03.10 | orchid | hi chickie :) |
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| 15:04.14 | ryan42 | brb |
| 15:14.10 | SportChick | hi orchid |
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| 15:14.57 | SportChick | grrr...linux gurus, please tell me (again) how I grep a directory of files when I'm in that directory...? |
| 15:15.08 | Tupone | grep -r |
| 15:15.28 | Tupone | grep -r item directory |
| 15:15.36 | SportChick | ooo, nm - what I tried worked (I said "grep item *.*) |
| 15:15.54 | Tupone | but it does not go deep |
| 15:16.58 | SportChick | ? |
| 15:17.17 | Tupone | I thought you wanna go in all subdirectory |
| 15:17.37 | SportChick | ah, |
| 15:17.46 | Tupone | so -r for recursive |
| 15:17.48 | SportChick | no, actually there are no subdirectories in this case. thanks tho |
| 15:19.23 | SportChick | ~Tupone++ |
| 15:19.51 | Tupone | :-) |
| 15:21.38 | SportChick | so, has anyone seen cosmos's post on bzbb about antiban perms? |
| 15:22.42 | SportChick | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4530 |
| 15:25.04 | SportChick | learner, orchid, tupone, dtremenak: any ideas on the antiban stuff? |
| 15:26.23 | Tupone | hehe, I have to look more deeply into the code ... 3 lines are not enoug |
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| 15:57.31 | josago | does anyone in here have a little of knowledge in html? |
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| 15:58.23 | dartman | hi |
| 15:58.27 | josago | hi |
| 15:58.38 | trepan | <b>/join #html</b> |
| 15:58.45 | dartman | just playing bz a while back |
| 15:58.50 | dartman | that's why i didn't reply |
| 15:59.31 | menotume | does the antiban logic check with the listserver if the player isn't connected ? |
| 15:59.56 | Pimpi | dartman: read trepans comment |
| 16:00.08 | dartman | didn't see it |
| 16:00.14 | dartman | i reloaded the page |
| 16:00.29 | Pimpi | and get a real irc client |
| 16:00.38 | Pimpi | <trepan> <b>/join #html</b> |
| 16:00.40 | dartman | don't know how |
| 16:01.00 | menotume | i think that was for josago |
| 16:01.07 | blast007 | ~xchat |
| 16:01.08 | ibot | [xchat] an IRC client for unix and windows at http://www.xchat.org or http://www.silverex.org/news/ |
| 16:01.27 | blast007 | the second link has a free build for Windows |
| 16:01.30 | Pimpi | oh, the cgi::idc thing probably won't allow to join #html |
| 16:01.47 | blast007 | right |
| 16:02.07 | dartman | all i see when you said that is some code |
| 16:02.35 | dartman | oh yeah |
| 16:02.41 | dartman | and i use a mac |
| 16:02.50 | dartman | not windows or unix |
| 16:02.56 | dartman | OS X |
| 16:03.03 | Pimpi | then you use unix |
| 16:03.06 | dartman | ah |
| 16:03.10 | blast007 | then find a client for OS X |
| 16:03.20 | Pimpi | xchat e.g |
| 16:03.26 | dartman | sry, i'm not that computer knowledgable |
| 16:03.34 | blast007 | dartman: it's called google |
| 16:03.37 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:03.54 | dartman | is it free? |
| 16:03.59 | blast007 | ... |
| 16:03.59 | Pimpi | http://www.xchat.org might fit for you too |
| 16:04.13 | Pimpi | ~hail google |
| 16:04.13 | ibot | ACTION bows down to google and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 16:04.35 | Pimpi | www.google.com |
| 16:04.42 | dartman | k |
| 16:04.48 | blast007 | http://xchataqua.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:04.55 | dartman | but is xchat free for OS X? |
| 16:05.01 | Pimpi | think so |
| 16:05.30 | Tupone | xchat is free for all. the binary is not free for windows |
| 16:05.41 | Pimpi | it's generally free for every platform if it's build from the free sources |
| 16:06.25 | blast007 | there is a free binary build for Windows |
| 16:06.32 | blast007 | just not on the xchat.org site |
| 16:08.20 | blast007 | Tupone: I'm getting this with the latest CVS and libcurl 7.14.0: |
| 16:08.22 | blast007 | File transfer terminated with error from libcurl 7 : Failed connect to my.BZFlag.org:80; No error |
| 16:08.34 | dartman | aye, a real IRC client isn't really what concerns me now |
| 16:09.00 | menotume | what IS your concern ? |
| 16:09.14 | dartman | i said it a while ago |
| 16:09.19 | dartman | before i was playing bz |
| 16:09.29 | Pimpi | so /join #html |
| 16:09.34 | Tupone | blast007, that is with -d -d ? |
| 16:09.39 | *** join/#bzflag ToughShooter (~ts@p54B00493.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:09.41 | blast007 | -d -d -d |
| 16:09.47 | dartman | i don't have an account |
| 16:09.58 | dartman | i need help from a forum admin |
| 16:10.04 | Pimpi | ic |
| 16:10.07 | dartman | the ones i do have aren't even active |
| 16:10.09 | menotume | register at my.bzflag.org/bb |
| 16:10.12 | dartman | wasted |
| 16:10.19 | dartman | nTHAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING |
| 16:10.30 | menotume | well, WELL DIDN'T YOU ACTIVATE ? |
| 16:10.36 | dartman | i never got the verification email |
| 16:10.43 | menotume | username ? |
| 16:10.49 | Tupone | blast007, with c-ares or without ? |
| 16:10.56 | dartman | dartman |
| 16:11.03 | Pimpi | write an email to the moderators then |
| 16:11.18 | Pimpi | should be a link on the site |
| 16:11.34 | dartman | the mods i've seen don't show their email addresses in their profiles |
| 16:11.39 | menotume | is the yahoo email valid ? |
| 16:11.40 | Pimpi | and writing an email in that case is suggested there |
| 16:11.53 | dartman | which one? i have 2 |
| 16:12.02 | menotume | dsoverpsp2000 |
| 16:12.03 | blast007 | Tupone: not sure. do you mean in BZFlag, or in libcurl? |
| 16:12.07 | dartman | k |
| 16:12.10 | dartman | try it |
| 16:12.21 | dartman | i rarely use that one |
| 16:12.21 | blast007 | I built the libcurl too, and it worked as of 7/13, but I CVS updated |
| 16:12.28 | dartman | it's my back-up address |
| 16:12.34 | menotume | well, that's where the reg would have gone to |
| 16:12.41 | menotume | do you want to use a different one ? |
| 16:12.42 | dartman | yes |
| 16:12.43 | dartman | but |
| 16:12.54 | dartman | the account wasn't re-activated |
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| 16:13.06 | dartman | that was the problem |
| 16:13.10 | Tupone | blast007, I mean curl |
| 16:13.37 | dartman | because yahoo screws up your account if you don't come back in a few months |
| 16:13.49 | Tupone | but with -d -d -d you should get more info about the transfer |
| 16:13.55 | dartman | and dsoverpsp2000 is my back-up |
| 16:14.03 | dartman | so i rarely use it |
| 16:14.10 | dartman | so my account screwed up |
| 16:14.13 | menotume | well, give me an email, and i'll try to send you another reg |
| 16:14.21 | dartman | and i forgot to re-activate it before i sent the reg |
| 16:14.31 | menotume | ah, so it's ok now ? |
| 16:14.38 | dartman | yes |
| 16:14.40 | dartman | should be |
| 16:14.44 | dartman | let me check |
| 16:14.46 | Pimpi | trepan: ping |
| 16:15.11 | blast007 | * About to connect() to my.BZFlag.org port 80 |
| 16:15.13 | blast007 | * Trying 69.28.129.167... * Timed out |
| 16:15.31 | dartman | k |
| 16:15.36 | dartman | it's fine now |
| 16:15.39 | menotume | k |
| 16:15.40 | Tupone | so DNS resolution is good |
| 16:16.02 | Tupone | can you do the same with the curl program ? |
| 16:16.35 | Tupone | curl should be build together with libcurl |
| 16:16.43 | menotume | dartman: i dunno how to resend reg info, but i CAN delete you, so you can just do it again |
| 16:17.00 | dartman | go ahead |
| 16:17.20 | menotume | k, done |
| 16:17.24 | dartman | that's what i was asking in the first place |
| 16:17.26 | dartman | k |
| 16:17.34 | dartman | and i have more than one account there |
| 16:17.55 | dartman | any account with any of these emails should be deleted: |
| 16:18.02 | dartman | dsoverpsp |
| 16:18.09 | dartman | dsoverpsp2000 |
| 16:18.21 | dartman | dsoverpsp200 (screwed up) |
| 16:18.34 | dartman | dsoverpsp@gamerfocus.com |
| 16:18.41 | dartman | any of those |
| 16:18.47 | dartman | thx |
| 16:19.53 | menotume | k |
| 16:21.02 | dartman | got it :) |
| 16:21.07 | dartman | activated |
| 16:21.59 | menotume | yay |
| 16:23.27 | menotume | yw :) |
| 16:25.04 | Tupone | menotume, do you know if listserver has been updated with the GETTOKEN ? |
| 16:25.18 | menotume | yes, i do know |
| 16:25.28 | Tupone | and ? |
| 16:25.31 | menotume | :D |
| 16:25.34 | menotume | it has not |
| 16:25.36 | Tupone | :) |
| 16:25.56 | menotume | waiting on tim, but is is quite busy trying to get a 'home' :) |
| 16:26.04 | menotume | you can use my test one |
| 16:26.17 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.26 | menotume | yes ! |
| 16:26.31 | menotume | with better lag :) |
| 16:29.01 | menotume | Tupone: you changes for that are all in the client ? |
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| 16:29.31 | Tupone | nope, if they are, it wont work now |
| 16:29.45 | menotume | i mean, nothing in bzfs, right ? |
| 16:30.05 | Tupone | nothing |
| 16:30.11 | menotume | ohhh, i see. you need to wait to commit |
| 16:30.25 | menotume | if you just want to test, use my test listserver |
| 16:30.27 | Tupone | Nope :) I wait to start doing |
| 16:30.34 | menotume | k |
| 16:31.23 | menotume | Tupone: I'll LYK when i hear anyting |
| 16:31.32 | menotume | (let you know) |
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| 16:32.30 | trepan | Pimpi: pong |
| 16:37.09 | ToughShooter | menotume: Still not possible to hunt muliple tanks in CVS :/ |
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| 16:54.54 | freelancer | hi |
| 16:54.57 | freelancer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:56.11 | ToughShooter | Has lag problem disappeared at hepcat again? |
| 16:56.24 | hw- | there's no lag, but there's no green flag either |
| 16:56.26 | freelancer | don't know if it has |
| 16:56.39 | hw- | and there is no + @ authorization |
| 16:56.48 | ToughShooter | All have been kicked out because of lag |
| 16:56.56 | freelancer | waaa i lost my @ |
| 16:57.19 | freelancer | need a flag reset |
| 16:57.39 | ToughShooter | You could try a poll |
| 16:58.01 | hw- | there is no name server authorizations |
| 16:58.06 | freelancer | yes but noone seems to be registerd even though they are |
| 16:58.12 | ToughShooter | aww |
| 16:58.14 | hw- | no + or @ |
| 16:58.36 | freelancer | ok cu later |
| 17:04.29 | menotume | which hepcat server? |
| 17:04.48 | menotume | there's only about a dozen of them right no w:) |
| 17:06.16 | ToughShooter | it's hepcat.org:5154 |
| 17:06.27 | menotume | ahh |
| 17:06.32 | ToughShooter | Not in public list for me however |
| 17:08.09 | menotume | right |
| 17:08.25 | menotume | he's seems to not be able to comm w/ listserver |
| 17:09.33 | menotume | perhaps that irix guy got too braod with iptables? :) |
| 17:09.46 | ToughShooter | Someone with shell access would have to restart bzfs I think |
| 17:10.08 | *** join/#bzflag ryan42 (~ryan42@adsl-68-93-73-149.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 17:10.11 | ryan42 | moo |
| 17:10.18 | blast007_linux | oom |
| 17:10.31 | menotume | perhaps someone with shell acess can try: 'lynx my.bzflag.org' |
| 17:10.36 | ToughShooter | All I know is that it worked this day before until a huge lag spike with 29% loss came |
| 17:10.43 | menotume | ahh |
| 17:10.56 | menotume | or, traceroute m.b.o. |
| 17:11.26 | ryan42 | ok |
| 17:11.32 | ryan42 | any Mac guys here? |
| 17:15.57 | trepan | hehe, checkout the server at the end of the listing........ |
| 17:16.16 | trepan | ANSI codes aren't stripped... |
| 17:16.28 | ryan42 | http://homepage.mac.com/ryan42/bzflag/ |
| 17:17.07 | ryan42 | heh |
| 17:17.10 | ryan42 | that's real neat |
| 17:17.16 | ryan42 | i wonder how it'll be on bzstats etc |
| 17:17.52 | *** join/#bzflag cosmos (~cosmos@bukowski.hepcat.org) |
| 17:18.02 | SportChick | wow, cosmos, that was quick |
| 17:18.13 | cosmos | heh i was reading bzbb |
| 17:18.18 | trepan | ryan42: i'm curious too, i'll have to wait until it updates |
| 17:18.25 | SportChick | see my pm or somewhere else? |
| 17:18.36 | cosmos | your pm, what server is having probs? |
| 17:19.36 | SportChick | cosmos: they said hepcat.org:5154 |
| 17:19.45 | cosmos | whats the issue |
| 17:20.38 | cosmos | ahh i see |
| 17:20.48 | cosmos | List server send failed: Connection refused |
| 17:21.05 | trepan | ryan42: [1m[4m[5m[33mTesting [34mA [35mPossible [36mNuisance[0m =) |
| 17:21.11 | ryan42 | aw. |
| 17:21.11 | SportChick | reposted it in pm |
| 17:21.26 | ryan42 | it would be neat if it worked right |
| 17:22.09 | ryan42 | there were like 3 Mac users here earlier... now there's none. |
| 17:22.24 | trepan | i think the listserver should strip it, else every twit will put up a blinking name |
| 17:22.35 | cosmos | im a mac user |
| 17:22.53 | ryan42 | cosmos: will you try this? |
| 17:22.56 | trepan | could be done client side too... but the effect wouldn't be as immediate |
| 17:23.06 | ryan42 | http://homepage.mac.com/ryan42/bzflag |
| 17:23.15 | cosmos | what am i trying |
| 17:23.27 | ryan42 | the latest CVS version of BZFlag |
| 17:23.35 | ryan42 | compiled into a binary .app |
| 17:24.26 | ryan42 | therefore you don't have to wait for the app to compile for an hour, then recompile it about 5 more times to make everything work |
| 17:24.29 | cosmos | oh sorry, i do not run binaries i have not built |
| 17:24.42 | ryan42 | it's handy if you want the extremely latest version but don't know UNIX :-P |
| 17:24.49 | ryan42 | cosmos: oh. |
| 17:24.50 | cosmos | thats not an issue for me |
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| 17:26.42 | ryan42 | cosmos: do you use XCode? |
| 17:27.05 | cosmos | i dont code on os x |
| 17:27.21 | cosmos | i dont code on much of anything really but its usually IRIX if i do |
| 17:27.41 | ryan42 | oh |
| 17:27.48 | ryan42 | you'd love to meet one of my friends. |
| 17:27.50 | ryan42 | he loves SGI |
| 17:27.51 | ryan42 | actually |
| 17:28.16 | ryan42 | I have just purchased an sgi GDM-FW9011 |
| 17:28.24 | ryan42 | it is sitting on my desk right now |
| 17:28.26 | ryan42 | 24" CRT. |
| 17:29.17 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/BUGS: ANSI color codes in -public messages |
| 17:30.28 | cosmos | i should have kept my origin 2000 deskside i had here at home |
| 17:30.37 | ryan42 | i don't have any SGI desktop |
| 17:30.40 | ryan42 | he has an Indy |
| 17:31.04 | cosmos | i have an indy R5K Presenter 1280 i use at work |
| 17:31.13 | cosmos | ive had that machine for a decade now |
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| 17:49.35 | cosmos | :) |
| 17:54.54 | cosmos | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4532 |
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| 17:58.20 | w_p | need some help |
| 17:58.57 | cosmos | ask your question |
| 18:00.10 | w_p | I am having problems with BZFlag. posted error on http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=64106 but no response |
| 18:00.55 | w_p | and to add to the problem, I am new to IRC !! |
| 18:01.11 | cosmos | you would have had better luck posting it on the bzflag forums |
| 18:01.21 | cosmos | http://bzbb.bzflag.org |
| 18:01.48 | w_p | ok, I shall try there right away...thanks |
| 18:02.46 | blast007_linux | w_p: did you build with SDL? |
| 18:03.06 | ruskie | http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ <-- go and drool |
| 18:04.41 | w_p | nope blast007_linux |
| 18:05.01 | cosmos | i think he installed an rpm |
| 18:05.02 | blast007_linux | try that, cuz I think the non-SDL hasn't been tested for a while |
| 18:05.09 | blast007_linux | hmm |
| 18:05.11 | cosmos | is it trying to set an unsupported video mode? |
| 18:05.45 | w_p | I updated it from the freshrpms repo and then this problem started |
| 18:06.08 | w_p | before this problem, I was having problems with connecting to the server - it would just hang while trying to connect |
| 18:06.29 | cosmos | did it show you a list of active game servers? |
| 18:06.47 | w_p | before it used to. as of now, it just exits with the error I mentioned |
| 18:07.11 | cosmos | but you couldnt connect to any listed game servers before? |
| 18:07.20 | blast007_linux | that might be attributed to an older version of libcurl...can't remember |
| 18:07.41 | blast007_linux | I've been using CVS builds, so I'm not sure what was a library issue, and what was a bug |
| 18:07.45 | w_p | yes. it would just hang. I would be able to list the servers then select. but when i tried joining to any of them it would hang |
| 18:07.52 | w_p | so I tried updating the package |
| 18:08.03 | cosmos | you have a firewall between you and the internet? |
| 18:08.06 | w_p | but after updating it, it is quitting right away |
| 18:08.29 | w_p | I do have a firewall. the default one with FC3. I initially thought that the problem could be there |
| 18:08.43 | w_p | but didn't know how to go about solving it. so the post |
| 18:09.50 | cosmos | try running bzflag windowed |
| 18:09.58 | cosmos | bzflag -window |
| 18:10.01 | w_p | is there any document on how to go about changing the default settings to allow bzflag work? I could try that |
| 18:10.05 | blast007_linux | bzflag -window -geometry 640x480 |
| 18:10.10 | cosmos | yeah even better |
| 18:10.19 | w_p | ok cosmos, will try that...yeah blast will try that |
| 18:11.14 | w_p | yeah, I was able to see the the first screen ! |
| 18:11.23 | w_p | so does that mean that there are no firewall problems? |
| 18:11.30 | cosmos | no |
| 18:11.41 | cosmos | it means it was trying to use an unsupported resolution |
| 18:11.47 | cosmos | now try to connect to a gameserver |
| 18:11.51 | cosmos | and see if you can |
| 18:12.21 | w_p | ok will try..I am just afraid that if it hangs, will have to do the whole reboot process, since logout does not work from my prev experience |
| 18:12.29 | w_p | will try now |
| 18:12.33 | ryan42 | F12 works |
| 18:12.40 | blast007_linux | not if it hangs ;) |
| 18:12.47 | ryan42 | on mac it does |
| 18:12.54 | w_p | I am on FC2 |
| 18:12.57 | ryan42 | on linux of course do ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 18:12.59 | cosmos | if its windowed you should be able to access other terms |
| 18:13.00 | ryan42 | that will restart teh GUI |
| 18:14.23 | trepan | ctrl-alt-F1, etc... to get to the consoles |
| 18:14.28 | w_p | ok it went welll !! :) |
| 18:14.36 | w_p | was able to play too and get fired by some laser !! |
| 18:15.07 | w_p | which means that I need to play around with the resolution I guess ? |
| 18:16.03 | cosmos | yep |
| 18:16.28 | cosmos | drumroll please... cosmos assisted with a linux question! |
| 18:16.35 | w_p | how do I go about that? |
| 18:17.03 | cosmos | set it in the options of the game |
| 18:17.17 | w_p | ok...let me try that. |
| 18:17.24 | cosmos | hit escape find display settings in the menu |
| 18:17.28 | cosmos | set it properly there |
| 18:17.51 | w_p | but to set it propoerly I need to know what would be the best. so do I just keep trying various options? |
| 18:18.04 | cosmos | whats your max screen resolution |
| 18:18.49 | cosmos | go to display settings -> change video format |
| 18:18.55 | w_p | 800X600 as of now |
| 18:18.58 | cosmos | set it to your max screen size |
| 18:19.06 | cosmos | ok so set it to that |
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| 18:19.43 | menotume | cosmos: to make my testing easier, can you provide me your bzfs groups config file ? |
| 18:19.56 | menotume | then, i should be able to reproduce here |
| 18:20.56 | w_p | cosmos !! you earn the drumroll !! |
| 18:21.03 | w_p | its all back to nice and proper :) |
| 18:21.12 | w_p | thanks ! |
| 18:21.39 | cosmos | the amazing part is that i helped with a linux question at all |
| 18:21.48 | cosmos | sometimes i amaze myself |
| 18:22.24 | w_p | oh you not pn linux? |
| 18:22.45 | w_p | pn = on |
| 18:24.06 | cosmos | heh |
| 18:29.53 | w_p | thanks again |
| 18:30.02 | w_p | I have updated the thread at http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?p=307060#post307060 |
| 18:30.17 | w_p | with the answer and gratitude |
| 18:33.11 | w_p | thanks again ! me signs off from here ! |
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| 18:57.02 | Bagheera | busy day on ye'ole channel |
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| 19:07.18 | menotume | Tupone: pingy |
| 19:07.32 | menotume | oops, not here |
| 19:11.26 | menotume | cosmos' antiban post is a BUG. we are checking if a player permiss has antiban WAY before we talk to the listserver to see which group he/she is in:) |
| 19:14.06 | menotume | i dunno how to fix this offhand - gonna need help from the gurus! :) |
| 19:15.14 | menotume | ping gurus :) |
| 19:19.12 | trepan | you're probably going to want to make a queue, and holdoff the bans (as was mentionned oh so long ago :) |
| 19:19.22 | menotume | ohh |
| 19:19.39 | menotume | ya, so what does the client do ? |
| 19:19.58 | menotume | we allow then in until ls comm is done ? |
| 19:20.11 | trepan | yup... that's the downside to the whitelisting |
| 19:20.24 | menotume | k |
| 19:20.40 | menotume | well, what may help would be to check on the initial '/ban' |
| 19:21.01 | trepan | also a reason to only do the holdoff is one of the defined groups has ANTIBAN |
| 19:21.20 | trepan | s/is/if |
| 19:21.43 | menotume | yes, and the player is in the banlist |
| 19:23.25 | menotume | oh, no, nnot if hostmask.* is used :( |
| 19:24.10 | menotume | cosmos is always causgin trouble :p |
| 19:25.29 | wegstar | ~google Flex |
| 19:26.02 | wegstar | ... |
| 19:26.07 | cosmos | heh |
| 19:26.55 | wegstar | ~ibot |
| 19:26.55 | ibot | rumour has it, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 19:27.01 | wegstar | ~search Flex |
| 19:27.07 | wegstar | ..... |
| 19:27.16 | wegstar | ~bzfrag wegstar |
| 19:27.16 | ibot | ACTION makes wegstar feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 19:27.59 | menotume | trepan: so, what should we do, not even add the player to a 'slot', have a separate queue while we verify ? |
| 19:29.29 | trepan | that'd be one way to go |
| 19:29.52 | menotume | either that, or we let banned players in till we verify :) |
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| 19:30.13 | menotume | i guees it'll need more discussion |
| 19:30.36 | blast007_linux | menotume: it might be best for a new packet type that just send the server a token |
| 19:30.50 | cosmos | or proxy the listserv so the communication is fast between bzfs and local listserv ;) |
| 19:30.51 | menotume | ? |
| 19:30.58 | trepan | menotume: the latter is more in keeping with hostban checking, no? |
| 19:30.59 | blast007_linux | before the MsgEnter |
| 19:31.18 | blast007_linux | so the server can check if they have antiban even before they enter the game |
| 19:31.48 | menotume | i don't understand how that would help over just checking on msgenter |
| 19:32.09 | menotume | trepan: i dunno - i'll have to look more at how banning works |
| 19:32.34 | trepan | menotume: you should probably look into the hostban stuff, and use that as a model |
| 19:32.40 | blast007_linux | I would have to look at exactly what msgenter does |
| 19:32.58 | menotume | you mean MsgAddPlayer ? |
| 19:33.18 | menotume | trepan: makes sense |
| 19:33.28 | blast007_linux | but basically I don't like the current method of token validation..it should be done before the player joined the server |
| 19:34.52 | menotume | blast007_linux: you mean before they are shown as joined ? |
| 19:35.16 | menotume | always put everyone in a queue, until auth is done ? |
| 19:35.27 | blast007_linux | yeah, if they send a token anyway |
| 19:35.37 | menotume | i c |
| 19:35.46 | blast007_linux | then you know if they are really banned before it goes through all the joining process |
| 19:36.11 | menotume | yes, and you don't acidentally spawn before being authed, like i do sometimes :) |
| 19:36.38 | blast007_linux | right :) |
| 19:36.50 | menotume | that may be worth doing, now that Tupy made the auth process quicker |
| 19:42.44 | cosmos | i could settle for some code that caused the offending players monitor to explode |
| 19:43.15 | blast007_linux | myScreen->explode(); |
| 19:45.12 | cosmos | the antiban would be a tremendous help though, i appreciate all your guys work |
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| 19:48.45 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 19:49.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/platform/DXJoystick.h: ws |
| 19:50.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: sliders as axes |
| 19:59.15 | menotume | hmm, CAN both local and global groups be used at the same time ? |
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| 20:03.38 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 20:16.24 | menotume | cosmos: doesn't look like using local.groups will help you |
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| 20:31.01 | I_Died_Once | ... |
| 20:31.35 | I_Died_Once | is brlcad here? |
| 20:35.01 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/configure.ac: check for working linux directional force feedback support (to be used shortly) |
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| 20:37.50 | wegstar | ~seen brlcad |
| 20:37.50 | ibot | brlcad is currently on #bzflag (2d 17h 17m 39s) #brlcad (2d 17h 17m 39s). Has said a total of 101 messages. Is idling for 22m 2s |
| 21:02.55 | brlcad | he is now |
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| 21:16.39 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/platform/ (EvdevJoystick.cxx EvdevJoystick.h): Actually let evdev joysticks work if the user doesn't have write permission to the device. Print a message saying force feedback is disabled in this case, but still read the input. |
| 21:35.14 | *** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:35.26 | shorty114 | hi manu! |
| 21:37.18 | _Manu_ | hi |
| 21:46.29 | bryjen | s/on/or |
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| 21:49.11 | S1gn | ~bzfquery amner.gotdns.org |
| 21:49.19 | S1gn | ~bzfquery amner.gotdns.org:5679 |
| 21:49.25 | S1gn | wtf |
| 21:49.51 | S1gn | :-) |
| 21:49.56 | S1gn | ~bzfquery amber.gotdns.org:5679 |
| 21:52.17 | bryjen | ah, needHostbanChecked() is just for delaying hostmask bans. As is obvious from the name... I was thinking it was just needBanChecked() |
| 21:53.24 | bryjen | maybe that's what it needs to be and it could postpone both checks until all the info (dns, user info) is collected |
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| 22:07.01 | ebertman | who is here |
| 22:20.08 | blast007 | I am, and so are some others |
| 22:20.34 | brad2901 | I'm not.. :P |
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| 22:28.23 | ebertman | right |
| 22:28.37 | ebertman | this is EbErT, by the way |
| 22:28.38 | shorty114 | i'm kinda here |
| 22:29.11 | ebertman | i just found out how to put on the bz channel, i just downloaded this irc client an hour ago |
| 22:31.01 | shorty114 | that's great. |
| 22:31.55 | ebertman | can't quite figure out how to put #bzleague on tho |
| 22:32.11 | ebertman | i know its the same thing, but somehow isn't working out |
| 22:32.30 | ebertman | does anyone get on the #bzleague channel? |
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| 22:34.27 | orchid | ebertman: type /join #bzleague |
| 22:34.59 | ebertman | ok, thanks |
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| 22:37.08 | Eb | hmm |
| 22:37.40 | Eb | can't get my name straightened out now |
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| 23:17.02 | linuxclub | listening to what ? |
| 23:17.11 | SportChick | tupone, hiya! |
| 23:17.16 | linuxclub | :) |
| 23:17.22 | SportChick | I'd like some clarification on the antiban privileges |
| 23:17.34 | linuxclub | ahhh :( |
| 23:17.45 | linuxclub | still have to loook at code |
| 23:17.50 | SportChick | I'm not sure if you've been following the bzbb thread on the issue? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4530 |
| 23:18.13 | SportChick | I have a multitude of questions. Should I ask them up front or wait until you have a chance to look at the code |
| 23:18.30 | linuxclub | at bzbb |
| 23:24.32 | linuxclub | ok, I need definitely to look at the code. Hope later. I cannot now |
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| 23:30.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (include/ServerItem.h src/game/ServerItem.cxx): observers are only worth 1/1000 of a real player w.r.t. server list sorting |
| 23:32.58 | trepan | if only we had robot info... |
| 23:41.09 | Chestal | puny worthless observers |
| 23:48.54 | trepan | :) been wanting to do that for a while... |