| 00:03.14 | BinarySpike | Does anybody know how to take a picture of the screen (windows XP, not bzflag) |
| 00:03.49 | brad2901 | Use the print screen button, if you have one |
| 00:04.02 | brad2901 | "prt sc" or similar |
| 00:04.18 | BinarySpike | ok, I just need to know to see what he's doing. thx |
| 00:06.16 | BinarySpike | thx guys... I'll come back later if I still have trouble. |
| 00:06.21 | *** part/#bzflag BinarySpike (~BinarySpi@206.113.16.57) |
| 00:18.14 | *** join/#bzflag BinarySpike (~BinarySpi@206.113.16.57) |
| 00:18.45 | BinarySpike | Ok, now this works in command line. |
| 00:18.52 | BinarySpike | cd progra~1 |
| 00:19.24 | BinarySpike | but cd BZFlag2.0.2 doesn't work??? |
| 00:19.26 | BinarySpike | (invalid) |
| 00:20.18 | shorty114 | try |
| 00:20.26 | shorty114 | cd bzflag~1 |
| 00:20.33 | BinarySpike | did, not reconized |
| 00:20.46 | BinarySpike | (didn't work) |
| 00:21.15 | shorty114 | heh |
| 00:22.24 | Aribeth | XP = Experimental |
| 00:22.29 | DTRemenak | it would be bzflag~1.2 most likely |
| 00:22.40 | BinarySpike | Ok, I'll try that. |
| 00:24.03 | BinarySpike | THANKS! I THINK IT WORKED |
| 00:24.44 | DTRemenak | NO PROBLEM |
| 00:25.03 | BinarySpike | YEAH! I'M REALLY HAPPY! |
| 00:29.57 | shorty114 | OMG OMG WTF LOL BBQ NO WAY |
| 00:30.10 | shorty114 | </aoltalk> |
| 00:30.12 | brad2901 | :) |
| 00:30.21 | brad2901 | You need to add :D :D :D |
| 00:30.26 | shorty114 | yeah |
| 00:30.28 | brad2901 | ;) |
| 00:31.20 | BinarySpike | Ok, so what does BBQ mean. (if it doesn't mean the sauce) |
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| 00:31.56 | BinarySpike | fbgirl? |
| 00:32.10 | shorty114 | BarBeQue |
| 00:32.16 | BinarySpike | ah |
| 00:32.20 | BinarySpike | That's what I thought |
| 00:33.49 | BinarySpike | is, 127.0.0.0 localhost? |
| 00:33.56 | Aribeth | yes |
| 00:34.06 | Aribeth | oops 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:34.22 | BinarySpike | ok, thx |
| 00:34.26 | BinarySpike | I was wrong then |
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| 00:53.36 | Aribeth | hi silverfox |
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| 01:16.29 | LouMan | FYI all server owners: watch out for an impersonator who has been using my callsign, Thumper's and a few others - he is not me and |
| 01:17.08 | LouMan | he is trying for passwords etc. His real callsign(s) have been dvnklr, dvn and star wars |
| 01:17.10 | Aribeth | hi louman |
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| 01:17.15 | LouMan | hi |
| 01:17.22 | Aribeth | we are aware of him |
| 01:17.28 | LouMan | k, good |
| 01:17.35 | Aribeth | star wars was added to the master ban list |
| 01:17.52 | Aribeth | i cought him on my server useing your name |
| 01:18.03 | LouMan | very good - I was in process of adding to my banlist, but I guess I don't need to now |
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| 01:28.58 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/data/ (Makefile.am blade.png): remove blade.png |
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| 01:35.37 | BinarySpike | in the windows xp command line how do I copy and paste |
| 01:35.39 | BinarySpike | ? |
| 01:35.51 | blast007 | right click, and there's 'Mark' |
| 01:35.59 | BinarySpike | Mark? |
| 01:36.02 | blast007 | that let's you select a rectange on the dos screen |
| 01:36.12 | blast007 | then press 'enter' to copy |
| 01:36.20 | BinarySpike | can I drag-and-drop? |
| 01:36.28 | blast007 | there's also a 'paste' item in the right click menu |
| 01:36.37 | blast007 | no, this isn't a GUI.... |
| 01:36.46 | BinarySpike | right-click doesn't work... |
| 01:37.01 | blast007 | does for me |
| 01:37.14 | BinarySpike | yeah, did for him... now it doesn't. |
| 01:37.24 | BinarySpike | anywhere I need to click specificly? |
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| 01:37.52 | blast007 | well, on the window |
| 01:38.09 | blast007 | preferable in the black area with white text |
| 01:38.14 | BinarySpike | yeah... |
| 01:38.23 | blast007 | did you turn on QuickEdit mode? |
| 01:38.48 | blast007 | right click on the title bar, go to properties, then see if the 'QuickEdit' box is checked |
| 01:39.25 | blast007 | also, make sure you ran 'cmd' and not 'command' |
| 01:42.23 | BinarySpike | ok, I got everything good. except I get an error connecting to server |
| 01:42.32 | BinarySpike | (acualy my friend is) |
| 01:42.43 | blast007 | which server? |
| 01:42.50 | BinarySpike | private |
| 01:42.56 | BinarySpike | (well, was public for a sec) |
| 01:43.03 | blast007 | hosted on your computer? |
| 01:43.10 | BinarySpike | No, my friends |
| 01:43.16 | BinarySpike | so my question is |
| 01:43.33 | BinarySpike | how do I host a public server that doesn't listen on 0.0.0.0:5154 |
| 01:43.59 | blast007 | it's fine if it listens on 0.0.0.0 |
| 01:44.03 | BinarySpike | oh |
| 01:44.12 | blast007 | that's the broadcast, so it will listen on all interfaces |
| 01:44.18 | BinarySpike | Ah |
| 01:44.42 | BinarySpike | so do I need to do anything for a private server? |
| 01:44.51 | blast007 | to do public, you need -public "Server description" -publicaddr "something.pointing.to.you.com" |
| 01:45.03 | BinarySpike | I know that. |
| 01:45.08 | BinarySpike | I think I found the problem |
| 01:45.08 | blast007 | k |
| 01:45.22 | blast007 | for private, just leave those off |
| 01:46.06 | BinarySpike | Ok, I think the error was the map has four CTF bases and I have -mp 5,5,5,0,0,2 |
| 01:46.58 | BinarySpike | does this channal have a bot? |
| 01:47.24 | blast007 | several |
| 01:47.46 | BinarySpike | any that I can play games with? |
| 01:47.51 | BenUrban | ~blinky BinarySpike |
| 01:47.52 | ibot | ACTION slaps BinarySpike on the head with a three-eyed fish named Blinky |
| 01:48.07 | blast007 | might try #botpark |
| 01:48.08 | BinarySpike | !blinky BenUrban |
| 01:48.14 | BinarySpike | ~blinky BenUrban |
| 01:48.16 | ibot | ACTION slaps BenUrban on the head with a three-eyed fish named Blinky |
| 01:48.20 | BenUrban | ~whaleslap BinarySpike |
| 01:48.21 | ibot | ACTION slaps BinarySpike upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 01:48.26 | blast007 | and so it begins |
| 01:48.30 | BenUrban | heh |
| 01:48.32 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:48.38 | BenUrban | don't blame me, blame BinarySpike |
| 01:48.44 | BenUrban | ~fishslal BinarySpike = |
| 01:48.46 | BenUrban | oops |
| 01:48.51 | BenUrban | ~fishslap BinarySpike |
| 01:48.52 | ibot | ACTION slaps BinarySpike up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 01:48.53 | BenUrban | god i suck |
| 01:49.13 | BenUrban | haha it's ignoring you |
| 01:49.35 | BenUrban | ~lart BinarySpike |
| 01:49.41 | BenUrban | lol |
| 01:49.46 | BenUrban | that sholdn't be in lart |
| 01:49.52 | BinarySpike | how do I get a list of that? |
| 01:49.52 | BenUrban | ~bzkill BinarySpike |
| 01:49.58 | BinarySpike | ~help me |
| 01:50.02 | BenUrban | ~bzflag BinarySpike |
| 01:50.04 | *** join/#bzflag purple_cow (~blardebla@c-24-8-167-186.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 01:50.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ |
| 01:50.04 | BinarySpike | ~help |
| 01:50.07 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 01:50.21 | BenUrban | what's that one that does a bzflag-style kill? |
| 01:50.26 | BinarySpike | ~tell BenUrban |
| 01:50.34 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 01:50.37 | BenUrban | ~lart |
| 01:50.54 | BenUrban | ~lart BinarySpike |
| 01:51.34 | BinarySpike | ~lart BenUrban |
| 01:51.42 | BinarySpike | :) |
| 01:51.50 | BinarySpike | ~lart BenUrban |
| 01:53.39 | Aribeth | ooooo, thats a lot of donuts |
| 01:53.42 | BenUrban | ~lart BinarySpike |
| 01:54.09 | blast007 | ...so this must be why my #bzflag log is pushing 30MB... |
| 01:54.09 | Aribeth | ~lart BenUrban |
| 01:54.14 | BenUrban | yep |
| 01:54.23 | BinarySpike | ~lart JeffM201 |
| 01:55.07 | *** join/#bzflag purple_cow (~jupiter@navi.cx) |
| 01:55.07 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ |
| 01:55.27 | BinarySpike | ~lart JeffM2501 |
| 01:55.32 | BinarySpike | :) |
| 01:55.46 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 01:55.59 | BinarySpike | ~lart JeffM2501 |
| 01:56.04 | BinarySpike | :D |
| 01:56.08 | BinarySpike | ~help |
| 01:56.20 | Aribeth | yes you need help |
| 01:56.24 | Aribeth | ") |
| 01:56.26 | Aribeth | :) |
| 01:56.35 | BinarySpike | ~say Hi |
| 01:56.37 | ibot | Hi |
| 01:56.48 | BinarySpike | ~say I command you to do something |
| 01:56.49 | ibot | I command you to do something |
| 01:56.49 | blast007 | ~botpark |
| 01:56.50 | ibot | #BotPark is a channel for testing and talking to irc bots. Please do not talk to the bots too much in normal channels. You may msg them or talk in #BotPark |
| 01:58.10 | BenUrban | ~say /kickban BinarySpike |
| 01:58.11 | ibot | /kickban BinarySpike |
| 01:58.15 | BenUrban | thought not |
| 01:58.23 | BenUrban | :D |
| 01:58.58 | BinarySpike | ibot please don't use the the addressCharacter when private messaging? |
| 01:59.04 | BinarySpike | what's that mean? |
| 01:59.19 | bryjen | you don't need the ~ |
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| 02:00.10 | BenUrban | ~me is a bot |
| 02:00.12 | ibot | moi? |
| 02:00.15 | BenUrban | yes you |
| 02:00.32 | BenUrban | ~ibot |
| 02:00.34 | ibot | ibot is, like, a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 02:00.43 | BenUrban | aww perl :( |
| 02:00.47 | BenUrban | ~perl |
| 02:00.48 | ibot | perl is probably at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic rubbish Lister, or that other "P" language |
| 02:00.48 | BinarySpike | PERL? |
| 02:00.55 | BenUrban | heh |
| 02:01.00 | BenUrban | ~python |
| 02:01.01 | ibot | it has been said that python is Available at http://www.python.org Python is an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented programming language. It is often compared to Tcl, Perl, Scheme or Java. |
| 02:01.38 | BinarySpike | ~lart BenUrban |
| 02:01.44 | BenUrban | noooooooo |
| 02:01.45 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 02:01.56 | BinarySpike | ~fart BenUrban |
| 02:01.57 | ibot | ACTION farts in BenUrban's general direction |
| 02:02.00 | blast007 | ... |
| 02:02.05 | BinarySpike | lol |
| 02:02.05 | BenUrban | haha |
| 02:02.17 | BinarySpike | LOL |
| 02:02.42 | blast007 | oh no, it's an infinite loop of lol's and haha's !! |
| 02:02.50 | BenUrban | ~lol |
| 02:02.52 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 02:02.53 | BenUrban | ~haha |
| 02:02.55 | ibot | heh |
| 02:03.02 | BenUrban | ~roflmmfao |
| 02:03.26 | BenUrban | ~rofl |
| 02:03.28 | ibot | rumour has it, rofl is Roll Over Fat Lesbian. rolling on the floor laughing. Or see rocl. |
| 02:03.33 | BenUrban | heh |
| 02:03.41 | BenUrban | ~rocl |
| 02:04.00 | Aribeth | heh |
| 02:04.06 | BenUrban | ~lmao |
| 02:04.07 | ibot | somebody said lmao was laughing my ass off, or see lol |
| 02:04.23 | *** part/#bzflag BinarySpike (~BinarySpi@206.113.16.57) |
| 02:06.13 | Aribeth | ~karma Aribeth |
| 02:06.13 | ibot | aribeth has karma of 15 |
| 02:06.25 | BenUrban | ~ibot++ |
| 02:06.30 | BenUrban | ~karma ibot |
| 02:06.30 | ibot | ibot has karma of 13 |
| 02:06.42 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 02:06.49 | BenUrban | "someone already said that 5 seconds ago" |
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| 02:11.05 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking |
| 02:11.05 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 02:11.19 | BenUrban | ~lart itself |
| 02:11.28 | BenUrban | ooh, not ignored |
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| 02:21.33 | Aribeth | ewwwwewww! |
| 02:21.41 | wegstar | noooooooo! |
| 02:21.54 | Aribeth | those poor penguins |
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| 03:21.35 | rkr | How so? |
| 03:23.47 | JeffM2501 | the star wars |
| 03:23.56 | JeffM2501 | it holds to special a place in my heart |
| 03:24.40 | JeffM2501 | the movie sucked |
| 03:24.45 | JeffM2501 | but they make legos |
| 03:24.53 | JeffM2501 | and miniatures games |
| 03:25.02 | JeffM2501 | my powers have grown weak |
| 03:26.55 | BenUrban | nooooo |
| 03:27.00 | BenUrban | not The Dark Side |
| 03:27.12 | BenUrban | come back to the communists! |
| 03:43.47 | *** join/#bzflag LouMan (~18b44630@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 03:44.33 | Aribeth | hi LouMan |
| 03:45.17 | LouMan | hi |
| 03:46.25 | LouMan | i was looking for trepan - he asked me for some .obj files from LegoLand, wanted to know why. Hmmm |
| 03:46.38 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 03:47.13 | Aribeth | ~seen trepan |
| 03:47.15 | ibot | trepan <~trepan@trepan.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 12d 13h 52m 44s ago, saying: 'there's all kinds of docs out there'. |
| 03:47.26 | LouMan | maybe he wants to clean up something I may have screwed up ;) |
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| 05:00.35 | rkr | You know, bzflag seems to fail rather gracelessly if the world is too complex for it... |
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| 05:47.04 | rkr | Boo. |
| 05:47.17 | jolie | :S |
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| 06:02.49 | rkr | You scared jolie off, _Manu_. |
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| 06:10.48 | _Manu_ | rkr, probably :) |
| 06:10.58 | rkr | (^& |
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| 06:12.53 | rkr | What is the format of a bzfs -conf file? Just whitespace-separated stuff that looks like command-line options? |
| 06:13.39 | _Manu_ | yes, but you also can write every option in one line |
| 06:13.40 | rkr | (And can you specify -conf multiple times? (^&) |
| 06:13.45 | rkr | (nod) |
| 06:14.21 | _Manu_ | really i never tried, I only use one conf file |
| 06:15.05 | rkr | Ah. I was thinking about putting a rotating server up, and sticking generic stuff in a conf.generic, and then map-specific stuff in conf.<n>... |
| 06:15.26 | _Manu_ | rkr, you can put it in the map too ;) |
| 06:16.45 | rkr | Yeah, I know...but some things feel less intrinsic to the map and more how I choose to run the map... |
| 06:17.23 | rkr | (Not many, I'll grant, but some...a time limit, comes to mind, if not all maps are to have equal time.) |
| 06:17.32 | rkr | Oh well. Thanks. (^& |
| 06:20.00 | rkr | (Another example is: A few maps don't really vary in any detail but bzfs options. A whole separate map just for that is...a bit much. (^&) |
| 06:28.47 | rkr | Hm. |
| 06:29.16 | rkr | Someone was complaining about maps that specify 0 rogues, rather than disallowing the rogue team altogether. |
| 06:29.53 | rkr | How can you disallow rogues? If you leave that blank in the -mp field, won't that mean "no limit is set for" rogues? (per the man page)? |
| 06:30.53 | purple_cow | put a 0 there |
| 06:31.30 | rkr | That's exactly what someone was complaining about. It results in rogue joins being blocked, rather than reassigned to a valid team. |
| 06:31.36 | rkr | "Team is full" error. |
| 06:39.19 | ruskie | good morrow all |
| 06:39.58 | ruskie | rkr, you want some help with setting up a rotation server? |
| 06:40.00 | ruskie | I did set it up |
| 06:40.40 | ruskie | all map specific options like flags and time limit are in the map files and only some generic confs are in the main config file |
| 06:40.56 | rkr | Hm. Setting 0 for rogue size does work...not sure why someone was complaining... |
| 06:41.23 | ruskie | no clue |
| 06:41.41 | rkr | ruskie: Well, I have it working, after a fashion, though it's not terribly clean at the moment. (^& |
| 06:42.14 | ruskie | well if you'd like I can put the scripts I use online somewhere? |
| 06:42.26 | rkr | My approach is to have numbered directories and a little shell script: while true; do; for c in 1 2 ... ; do; <setup>; bzfs <options>; done; done; |
| 06:43.35 | rkr | I guess it wouldn't hurt. (^& But if there are any subtle tricks to doing it well, sharing those would help more than sharing the scripts. |
| 06:44.47 | ruskie | well why numbered dirs... |
| 06:44.58 | rkr | (Right now, I have it on a 1 minute revolution while I test things, and only 2 maps. The maps are generated by a little AWK script from a description file---or at least, the objects are...) |
| 06:45.36 | rkr | Well, why not numbered? (^& Could be anything, but the maps are generated differently by minor variations at the moment, not by loading vastly different maps. |
| 06:45.48 | ruskie | ahhh |
| 06:46.36 | ruskie | http://www.dtdm.org/~bzflag/ <-- my script and default conf file |
| 06:47.10 | rkr | Thanks...looking. |
| 06:47.39 | ruskie | hmm the conf file isn't looking... |
| 06:47.42 | ruskie | erm working |
| 06:49.22 | rkr | I wasn't aware of the /map command...(^& |
| 06:49.51 | ruskie | that's a costum patch |
| 06:49.56 | rkr | Oh. |
| 06:50.30 | ruskie | I wanted to have a map voting system :) |
| 06:50.37 | rkr | (nod) |
| 06:51.11 | rkr | I'll worry about that later, I guess. (^& |
| 06:51.39 | ruskie | what kind of weird smilies are you using? |
| 06:51.50 | rkr | Exactly that kind: Weird ones. |
| 06:52.03 | rkr | The eyes (&) are supposed to look a little squinty/demented. |
| 06:52.12 | ruskie | lol |
| 06:52.28 | rkr | I never liked smilies until this one... |
| 06:52.29 | ruskie | well if you need any help deciphering the script lemme know... |
| 06:52.32 | ruskie | lol |
| 06:52.51 | rkr | Thanks. Looks pretty straightforward. I apparentlky missed the -reportfile bzfs option. |
| 06:53.09 | ruskie | :) |
| 06:53.30 | rkr | It is a good reference to make sure I didn't miss anything, but looks pretty close to what I use... |
| 06:53.31 | ruskie | well as said the map specific configs of game type, flags, variables and time limits are in the map files direct |
| 06:53.53 | rkr | ...except that I'm generating the .bzw files, so I can't dothe for CONFFILE in *.bzw as you do. |
| 06:54.40 | ruskie | ahhh |
| 06:54.56 | ruskie | why do you do it like that? |
| 06:55.27 | rkr | So that I can change the master definition file and the next rotation will pick it up. (^& |
| 06:55.44 | rkr | It also seems more natural to never store anything that can be generated. |
| 06:56.07 | rkr | (I probably picked that up from some exposure to database design years ago...) |
| 06:56.25 | ruskie | I meant why are you generating the maps? |
| 06:56.57 | rkr | Because bzw(5) doesn't have things like walkable ramps built in. |
| 06:57.11 | ruskie | erm? |
| 06:57.12 | rkr | So I wrote an AWK script that generates such a ramp (out of a series of boxes) from a description. |
| 06:57.28 | ruskie | walkable ramps? |
| 06:57.47 | rkr | Yes. Sort of. |
| 06:58.06 | rkr | In 2.x, bzflag introduced the idea that you can walk up over very small bumps (default limit, up to .33 units). |
| 06:58.24 | rkr | So you can use a chain of them as stair steps that can be walked up without jumping. |
| 06:58.34 | rkr | But to get any height at all requires a *lot* of steps. |
| 06:58.40 | ruskie | :)) |
| 06:58.40 | rkr | So I wrote a program to generate them for me. |
| 06:58.54 | rkr | Now I can say something like: |
| 06:59.07 | rkr | ramp: x1 y1 z1 x2 y2 z2 |
| 06:59.10 | rkr | ...and get my ramp. |
| 06:59.41 | rkr | (Actually, there are additional params for width & height; and the syntax is ugly because AWK's default parsing on whitespace is limited...) |
| 06:59.57 | ruskie | erm... |
| 07:00.01 | ruskie | ayou mean as a delimiter? |
| 07:00.03 | rkr | The optional params, in order, are width1 width2 and max-step-size |
| 07:00.05 | rkr | (nod) |
| 07:00.17 | rkr | It would be nicer to do something like: |
| 07:00.34 | rkr | ramp: <x1, y1, z1> <x2,y2 , z2> |
| 07:00.44 | rkr | (note varying whitespace and use of brackets & commas) |
| 07:00.49 | rkr | I was too lazy for that. (^& |
| 07:02.02 | ruskie | hmm sounds like a nice idea the ramps... |
| 07:02.09 | ruskie | can it do spiral ramps? |
| 07:03.26 | rkr | Spiral ramps were on my agenda, but the current ramps are all linear. |
| 07:04.00 | rkr | Helixes would also be nice. |
| 07:04.46 | rkr | (Actually, the script is built with some forward-thinking in mind. I called the current ramp "ramp1:", so I can add others. And "helix<n>:" types can be added fairly cleanly...) |
| 07:05.03 | rkr | I'll take suggestions on syntax and provide the AWK script if you like. |
| 07:05.25 | ruskie | well if you get helixes and such I'd like the whole pkg... |
| 07:05.38 | ruskie | would be interesting to see it in my labyrinth map |
| 07:06.09 | rkr | I have just done linear ramps, but could add other types. If you like I can offer you the script as it stands. Or if you have clear ideas to add, I'll take suggestions. |
| 07:06.50 | ruskie | hmmm does it only generate the ramps or does it generate any other part of the map? |
| 07:07.41 | rkr | Right. The idea is to have it generate objects, then you use a cat command to produce the final .bzw, pasting onto it things like waterLevel, zone, base, ... |
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| 07:08.04 | rkr | I could put all of that into the AWK script, but the idea is to have the script generate the stuff that is hard to do by hand. |
| 07:08.15 | ruskie | yup |
| 07:09.55 | rkr | So, what would a helix look like? Would it be a series of bars centered on the core of the helix? |
| 07:10.20 | rkr | Or would it be 1 (or more?) walkable ramps going up around the outside of the bounding cylinder? (^& |
| 07:10.20 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 07:10.36 | rkr | Or can those cases both be caught by some generalization? |
| 07:10.48 | ruskie | both with the cyluinder |
| 07:10.49 | rkr | (And, of course, "cylinder" could be a conical shape...) |
| 07:11.13 | ruskie | simply put cylinder to a small enough size :) |
| 07:11.28 | rkr | I'm not sure what "both with the cylinder" means. There would be a cylinder/cone in both cases, implicit in the shape. |
| 07:12.18 | rkr | A series of bars, rotated varying degrees, and centered on the center of the helix, might go something like: |
| 07:13.15 | rkr | helix1: x1 y1 z1 z2 [optional max step size] |
| 07:13.34 | rkr | That would not allow the helix to tilt (same x/y across the whole thing). |
| 07:13.52 | rkr | But that doesn't encoumpas the idea of a stair running around the outside of the cylinder. |
| 07:16.14 | rkr | helix-stairs1: x y z1 z2 [sets [width [stepheight]]] |
| 07:16.38 | rkr | Oh, radius. Heh... |
| 07:16.49 | rkr | helix-stairs1: x y z1 z2 radius [sets [width [stepheight]]] |
| 07:17.00 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 07:17.19 | rkr | If sets==2 and width==raidus, you get a series of bars that appear to span the diameter of the bounding cylinder. |
| 07:17.49 | ruskie | so basicaly you could do x y z1 z2 [radius [sets [width[ stepheight]]] |
| 07:18.02 | rkr | If sets==1, you get a single staircase. |
| 07:18.17 | rkr | I guess width=2*radius and sets=1 would also give you the "bars" type of result. |
| 07:18.54 | rkr | (Assuming that "the outside" of the step is at "radius" and the "inside" of the step is at radius-width. |
| 07:19.13 | rkr | That seems workable. |
| 07:19.49 | rkr | Yes, basically that. |
| 07:20.47 | rkr | Maybe a second radius in there, somnewhere, so that you can get a conical boundary, rather than cylindrical. |
| 07:20.55 | ruskie | :) |
| 07:21.03 | ruskie | you're full of ideas |
| 07:21.07 | rkr | (^& |
| 07:21.27 | rkr | ...the question is whether to allow x/y to change over the height. It wouldn't really be a helix, then, but... |
| 07:21.38 | ruskie | would be a nice thing though :) |
| 07:22.13 | ruskie | hmmm I really should finish my labyrinth map... |
| 07:22.57 | rkr | (^& |
| 07:23.13 | ruskie | need to add some more world weapons, some phsyics objects and some fake walls and floors... |
| 07:23.24 | rkr | That leaves questions of default values for things like sets (1 or 2?), width (set to radius?)...step-height and radii are easy. |
| 07:32.40 | rkr | Okay, I think that I have it. Now to write the code to generate the helix...(^& |
| 07:33.06 | ruskie | :) |
| 07:34.13 | rkr | Oh. |
| 07:34.14 | rkr | Heh. |
| 07:34.25 | rkr | Total degrees of revolution... |
| 07:34.50 | rkr | (Or radians...but I guess bzw uses degrees so I'll be consistent with that...) |
| 07:36.12 | rkr | Pity we can't rotate boxes in 3D or walk up meshboxes... |
| 07:40.16 | ruskie | iirc bzw uses radians |
| 07:40.24 | ruskie | or does it use degrees |
| 07:41.04 | ruskie | hmm ohh it does use degrees |
| 07:41.14 | ruskie | hmmm but the vars for gm use rads... |
| 07:41.22 | ruskie | not really consitent then :) |
| 07:41.25 | rkr | Heh. |
| 07:42.14 | rkr | Well, doing a 90 degree rotation is easier if you use degrees. I, for one, can't tell you pi/2 off the top of my head, beyond a couple of digits. |
| 07:42.36 | ruskie | no clue as well |
| 07:42.43 | ruskie | we only did pi/2 and so on |
| 07:42.47 | ruskie | and even most of that I forgot |
| 07:42.51 | rkr | (nod) |
| 07:43.12 | rkr | I don't want to add arithmetic evaluation to this script, so the user will have to know the angle measure they want. |
| 07:43.17 | rkr | Degrees makes that simpler. |
| 07:43.59 | ruskie | yup |
| 07:44.11 | ruskie | hmmm I wonder if the gm can be made to do tight turns... |
| 07:44.17 | rkr | (^& |
| 08:01.43 | rkr | Hm. A starting rotation would be good, too... |
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| 09:21.08 | rkr | Welcome back. |
| 09:21.22 | jolie | me? |
| 09:21.36 | rkr | I guess you. You're the most recent person to return. |
| 09:21.41 | jolie | k. |
| 09:21.45 | jolie | erk, thx |
| 09:21.49 | jolie | :) |
| 09:27.42 | ruskie | lol |
| 09:28.50 | rkr | Brand new ibook? |
| 09:29.08 | jolie | yep |
| 09:29.57 | rkr | I might find myself in possession of an older power mac notebook... |
| 09:30.36 | rkr | I don't throw money at Apple as a rule, but my oldest brother is a doctor and is considering giving up one. Me being a computer geek, he was talking about giving it to me. |
| 09:30.59 | rkr | (Its battery is apparently dead, and the power jack connector is broken, so it needs a little surgery to repair...) |
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| 09:32.09 | rkr | Um, just to be clear: The bzflag "box" objects have positions based on their center, right? |
| 09:32.34 | purple_cow | yes |
| 09:32.40 | rkr | (nod) THanks. |
| 09:34.15 | jpa- | actually no |
| 09:34.21 | jpa- | by the center of their bottom face |
| 09:34.39 | jpa- | so size 10 10 10 is actually 20x20x10 box |
| 09:35.00 | jpa- | and position 0 0 0 is (-10,-10,0) - (10,10,10) |
| 09:35.23 | rkr | (nod) |
| 09:35.23 | ruskie | yeah |
| 09:35.27 | ruskie | weird but ok... |
| 09:35.29 | rkr | Thanks. Just double-checking. |
| 09:36.01 | rkr | (center-of-bottom; yeah, eek, ook...) |
| 09:36.27 | rkr | If you can extract tank positions and a tank model, etc., that would make it more interesting. |
| 09:36.29 | jpa- | ruskie: obj to bzw exists.. is there a pov->obj? |
| 09:36.41 | rkr | (Capture in-game rendering...(^&) |
| 09:36.46 | ruskie | I doubt it |
| 09:51.16 | rkr | ruskie: Just noticed you use !/bin/bash for the shell script. (^& |
| 09:51.44 | rkr | May I suggest that !/bin/sh would be better, unless you really need a bash extension? |
| 09:54.34 | jpa- | atleast i don't know difference between sh and bash extensions, and have no means to test |
| 09:54.44 | jpa- | so !/bin/bash is good IMHO |
| 09:54.51 | ruskie | bash is good |
| 09:54.56 | rkr | (^& |
| 09:54.58 | ruskie | and since sh is just s link to bash :) |
| 09:55.02 | rkr | I don't have bash installed on my system. |
| 09:55.12 | ruskie | you don't |
| 09:55.14 | ruskie | you usre? |
| 09:55.18 | rkr | No. /bin/sh is the system Bourne shell. |
| 09:55.31 | rkr | Yes, I'm sure. NetBSD doesn't include bash in the base system, for various reasons. |
| 09:55.31 | ruskie | not on my systems :) |
| 09:55.35 | ruskie | ahh |
| 09:55.52 | rkr | $ locate bash |
| 09:56.01 | rkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.06 | ruskie | lol |
| 09:56.08 | rkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.14 | ruskie | rotfl |
| 09:56.23 | rkr | (Sorry, couldn't paste directly because of leading slashes.) |
| 09:57.22 | rkr | And, for that matter, /bin/csh is *not* tcsh. Nor is /bin/ksh just another link to bash. (^& |
| 09:57.59 | rkr | Anyway, just a comment. (^& |
| 09:58.22 | rkr | (Oh, and yacc is not bison and awk is not GNU awk, and ...) |
| 09:59.07 | ruskie | lol |
| 09:59.50 | ruskie | ksh is kron shell csh is costum(or c?) shell tcsh is extended csh... I think |
| 09:59.52 | jpa- | thank god python is python |
| 09:59.52 | rkr | (And cc is not gcc, though even NetBSD uses gcc for that purpose. (^&) |
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| 10:00.01 | rkr | csh is the C Sehll. |
| 10:00.28 | rkr | K is for Korn, original author of ksh at AT&T, though NetBSD (at least) uses a variant called "pdksh", due to AT&T licensing... |
| 10:00.38 | rkr | You forgot about the Java version of python....(^& |
| 10:00.45 | rkr | (Is it still maintained?) |
| 10:00.54 | jpa- | jython.. yup |
| 10:00.58 | jpa- | argh |
| 10:01.04 | jpa- | i hate you! |
| 10:01.08 | rkr | (^& |
| 10:01.14 | ruskie | lol |
| 10:01.50 | rkr | Okay...I *think* that I have a working helix stairs feature, ruskie. |
| 10:02.02 | ruskie | :) |
| 10:02.15 | rkr | The syntax is: |
| 10:02.16 | rkr | # helix-stairs1: tx ty tz tx ty tz fd td fr tr sets fw tw stepHeight |
| 10:02.20 | rkr | (Without the hashmark.) |
| 10:02.30 | rkr | Oops, typos... |
| 10:02.40 | rkr | helix-stairs1: fx fy fz tx ty tz fd td fr tr sets fw tw stepHeight |
| 10:02.56 | rkr | There. fx fy, ... tz are From x/y/z and To x/y/z. |
| 10:03.04 | rkr | fd/td are from/to degrees. |
| 10:03.16 | rkr | [ft]r is outside radius. |
| 10:03.27 | rkr | sets is.,..errr, whopus, unimplemented. Need to add that. |
| 10:03.42 | rkr | [ft]w is the width (side to side) of the stair. If width==radius, you get radial spokes. |
| 10:04.51 | rkr | You can connect to socrates.olib.org:5154 to see a sample map, using ramps and helixes. |
| 10:04.58 | rkr | The map has a 1 minute timer on it. |
| 10:05.21 | ruskie | can't am at work and the boxen are to poor to run bzflag... :( |
| 10:05.41 | rkr | Oh well. I haven't added the <sets> support anyway. (^& |
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| 10:18.37 | rkr | Hm. When I login to my server, I get the -srvmsg twice, it seems. |
| 10:19.04 | rkr | Is that a familiar problem with something stupid that I'm doing? |
| 10:19.18 | ruskie | maybe you have it defined twice? |
| 10:19.29 | rkr | I looked for that. I can't see that I"m doing it. |
| 10:19.37 | rkr | I have it once in the .bzw file, I think... |
| 10:20.21 | rkr | Oh. |
| 10:20.24 | rkr | I see. (^& |
| 10:20.52 | rkr | I had a conf.generic passed in to -conf. That included another world file that had the duplicate messages. |
| 10:20.57 | rkr | Fixed...thanks. |
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| 10:33.22 | CBG | Currently, flags stay where they were dropped... |
| 10:33.39 | CBG | How do I make them disapear and reapear elsewhere? |
| 10:34.46 | jpa- | you need to modify server source |
| 10:34.50 | jpa- | it is quite easy |
| 10:34.54 | meacan | /flag reset |
| 10:35.06 | jpa- | there is a dropsleft value for flags |
| 10:35.21 | jpa- | meacan: that is only one-time thing.. i think he wants them to disappear always |
| 10:35.43 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.55 | CBG | yes |
| 10:35.55 | jpa- | is there a such thing? |
| 10:35.57 | jpa- | nice |
| 10:36.13 | CBG | I want it so that anytime a flag is dropped it goes somehwere else.. |
| 10:36.43 | jpa- | trepans thing would do that |
| 10:36.51 | jpa- | (does it do it for teamflags too?) |
| 10:37.31 | CBG | Ok. Thanks trepan :D |
| 10:38.00 | jpa- | ~trepan++ |
| 10:39.46 | CBG | ~trepan |
| 10:40.36 | CBG | trepan has karma of 116 :O |
| 10:40.47 | CBG | cbg has karma of -2 :( |
| 10:41.21 | rkr | (^& |
| 10:41.31 | CBG | ~karma rkr |
| 10:41.31 | ibot | rkr has neutral karma |
| 10:41.38 | jpa- | ~cbg++ |
| 10:41.42 | CBG | :) |
| 10:41.43 | rkr | (ruskie, if you're still listening, looks like it's working now. (^&) |
| 10:41.49 | jpa- | just for being nice and not doing too much karma checks :) |
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| 10:42.14 | rkr | Ah. The true karma is not bestowed upon he whom asks about it? |
| 10:42.50 | CBG | ~jpa+++ |
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| 11:03.31 | rkr | Anyone able & willing to test something for me? (I may have a new bit of info on a bzflag client bug that can cause tanks to freeze...but need some other people to confirm behavior...) |
| 11:04.11 | ToughShooter | Where should I join? |
| 11:04.22 | rkr | socrates.olib.org:5154 |
| 11:05.07 | ToughShooter | k |
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| 11:31.17 | rkr | You say Trepan has fixed it... |
| 11:31.37 | rkr | But we can't be 100% sure unless we try with the new protocol...(^& |
| 11:31.57 | rkr | Thanks for helping confirm, ToughShooter. |
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| 11:33.19 | jpa- | what bug is it? |
| 11:33.44 | jpa- | stuck-on-mesh-while-teleporting or stuck-while-going-from-box-to-mesh? |
| 11:34.02 | rkr | Stuck-while-going-from-box-to-box. |
| 11:34.06 | rkr | No teleporters, no meshes. |
| 11:34.14 | ToughShooter | Seems to get stuck with certain box overlappings that depends on height, moving speed and tank angle |
| 11:34.24 | rkr | The particular issue occurs very reliably if you are stuck right over a base. |
| 11:34.40 | rkr | (But only if close, vertically; say 5 or 10 units up.) |
| 11:34.49 | ToughShooter | Stuck tanks look jittery vertically but not on HUD of tank which stuck |
| 11:35.21 | jpa- | ah, crazy stairs |
| 11:35.23 | ToughShooter | Observer also sees this jitter when driving with stuck tank |
| 11:35.27 | rkr | Similar/same bug can occur with some randomness with other occasions. |
| 11:35.49 | ToughShooter | I think I saw it at spiralzone, too |
| 11:35.53 | rkr | (I once got stuck similarly on someone else's map that just had some big boxes stacked together---you couldn't walk up...) |
| 11:36.00 | rkr | Yeah, spiralzone type of stacking. |
| 11:36.04 | jpa- | i've seen this somewhere before.. was it on the spheres map? |
| 11:36.20 | ToughShooter | That was a different bug |
| 11:36.25 | jpa- | but jitter there too |
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| 11:36.40 | ToughShooter | Had to do with spin 90 0 0 1 instead of spin -270 0 0 1 |
| 11:36.47 | ToughShooter | nyes |
| 11:37.12 | ToughShooter | s/nyes/yes |
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| 11:42.29 | ToughShooter | Hmm, when I get stuck at spiralzone there is no jitter. Must be a 3rd bug |
| 11:42.37 | bz9924 | ~bzfquery anultimatearena.dnsalias.com:5154 |
| 11:42.55 | trepan | ~bzfquery pathetic.server.plug.net:2003 |
| 11:43.28 | bz9924 | ~bzfquery anultimatearena.dnsalias.com:5154 |
| 11:43.34 | rkr | Is it similar enough that there could be a grand unified bug theory? (^& |
| 11:44.04 | ToughShooter | Mine only occurs for 1/50 of players |
| 11:44.39 | ToughShooter | Spiralzone and your bug happens for all players |
| 11:45.32 | rkr | Perhaps something about the bug makes it more likely to manifest under certain conditions, and in "your bug" case, other details about the clients prevent it from happening? |
| 11:45.34 | rkr | (shrug) |
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| 11:47.14 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 11:47.57 | rkr | (BTW, for the moment I've moved the bases on the 4-player CTF version of my map. If anyone needs it back the way it was for testing for any reason, let me know...I can also provide the map if someone wants to test fixes against it.) |
| 11:53.42 | zaph | ~bzfquery anultimatearena.dnsalias.com:5155 |
| 11:54.08 | ToughShooter | zaph: Why don't /msg ibot directly? |
| 11:54.42 | zaph | well...i'm a "beginner" in serving.... |
| 11:55.22 | ruskie | zaph, did you setup a -pubaddr or something like that? |
| 11:55.33 | zaph | yes i did |
| 11:55.45 | ruskie | and to what did you set it? |
| 11:56.00 | zaph | anultimatearena.dnsalias.com:5154 |
| 11:56.04 | ToughShooter | Firewall or packet filter blocking port? |
| 11:56.13 | ruskie | yeah possibly... |
| 11:56.30 | zaph | i opened a lots of ports at my router 5154-5255 |
| 11:56.46 | ruskie | did you route them to your serving box? |
| 11:57.05 | ruskie | it's not enough to just open them.. you have to forward them to the proper host in the lan |
| 11:57.18 | zaph | sorry guys..have patience with me:::::what is a serving box? |
| 11:57.29 | ToughShooter | DNS doesn't resolve |
| 11:58.01 | ruskie | it does |
| 11:58.02 | ruskie | anultimatearena.dnsalias.com has address 217.128.23.28 |
| 11:58.23 | ToughShooter | not for me |
| 11:58.30 | ruskie | zaph, you have a router and some box in the LAN that's connected to that router... |
| 11:58.51 | ruskie | the box in questionis runing the bzfs proccess |
| 11:59.01 | ruskie | so you have to forward ports from the router to that box |
| 11:59.02 | zaph | no ...comp...router...and out there |
| 11:59.34 | zaph | is it a physical box your are talking about? |
| 12:00.03 | ruskie | box is just a different term for a computer |
| 12:00.19 | zaph | lol...ok got it! |
| 12:00.53 | ToughShooter | Hmm, I tried it out another time and now it's resolved :o |
| 12:00.59 | zaph | about ports...i choose just one and open it with the router? thats all? |
| 12:01.10 | ruskie | zaph, no you need to forward it as well |
| 12:01.30 | zaph | help me here please::::from where to where.... |
| 12:01.39 | ruskie | from your router to your box |
| 12:01.55 | zaph | that should be ok?!?! |
| 12:02.27 | ruskie | let's get some facts straight... |
| 12:02.30 | ruskie | you know what a router does? |
| 12:02.40 | zaph | yes... |
| 12:02.58 | ruskie | and it seems you know what an open port is... |
| 12:03.05 | ruskie | do you know what a forwarded port is? |
| 12:03.07 | zaph | ;-) |
| 12:03.24 | zaph | i opened them with NAT |
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| 12:03.59 | ruskie | so it is taking the data it get's through the port to the box? |
| 12:04.18 | zaph | how can i check? |
| 12:04.39 | ruskie | check the settings of the router... |
| 12:05.36 | zaph | ???NAT:::SUA only:::it is open?! |
| 12:06.01 | zaph | 5154 to 5256 |
| 12:06.06 | ruskie | you just told me nothing much.... |
| 12:06.32 | zaph | thx for you patience!!!!! but help me here! |
| 12:07.01 | ruskie | trying to but can't due to lack of data |
| 12:07.18 | zaph | tell me what you need to know |
| 12:08.02 | ruskie | let's try thi give me brand&model of the router or point me to some manual and I'll check and then ask you if the settings are ok or not... |
| 12:08.07 | *** join/#bzflag menotume (~meno@menotume.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 12:08.26 | zaph | its a ZyXEL prestige 600 |
| 12:10.26 | ruskie | http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/ZyXEL/Prestige600/SSH.htm <-- so you have set things in here with the proper ports? |
| 12:10.33 | rkr | (Question about administrative groups: Are they case-sensitive? E.g., is "admin" the same as "ADMIN"?) |
| 12:10.56 | zaph | hold on a sec.... |
| 12:11.31 | ruskie | and you have a static ip for your box... |
| 12:13.27 | zaph | yes i have? the router did not accept it though;but i set the pool size to 1 and i guess i cheated him |
| 12:14.15 | zaph | yes it is correct! |
| 12:14.26 | zaph | the box tells me the correct ip |
| 12:14.57 | zaph | did i opened to many ports or is one enough? |
| 12:15.19 | ruskie | one is enough |
| 12:15.35 | zaph | is it 5154? |
| 12:16.06 | ToughShooter | rkr: Regarding group database? |
| 12:17.24 | ruskie | zaph, that's the default... |
| 12:17.52 | ruskie | if you didn't specify any it should use that |
| 12:18.14 | zaph | ok!BIG thx here!!!!! |
| 12:18.19 | ruskie | did you specify -i you_ip |
| 12:18.23 | rkr | ToughShooter: Yes. |
| 12:18.41 | rkr | I have been using an admin password since I'm the only admin, but would rather use groups. |
| 12:19.39 | rkr | The bzflag WIKI docs talk about "ADMIN" as a group; not sure if it has to be (or should be) uppercase... |
| 12:20.07 | zaph | be right back!!!! |
| 12:20.08 | ToughShooter | Then write something like http://pastebin.com/302163 into your User Privilege Database |
| 12:20.40 | ToughShooter | I guess you're smart enough to replace my callsign ;) |
| 12:21.06 | ToughShooter | As far as I know groups are not case sensitive |
| 12:22.58 | rkr | Thanks. (^& |
| 12:23.32 | LePoulpe303 | menotume, are u there ? |
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| 12:25.59 | menotume | no, i am not, sorry |
| 12:26.12 | menotume | but, if you leave a message at the beep ..... |
| 12:26.45 | LePoulpe303 | i'm actually waiting for the beep |
| 12:27.13 | menotume | b |
| 12:27.16 | menotume | e |
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| 12:32.39 | zaph | ruskie:::little patience left for me? |
| 12:34.04 | zaph | i set -i in the conf.file but what happens when ips changes the ip |
| 12:34.17 | menotume | p |
| 12:35.55 | jpa- | zaph: why do you need -i? |
| 12:36.03 | jpa- | you have many network card? |
| 12:37.56 | zaph | ruskie told me to try the -i setting.... |
| 12:38.38 | rkr | I have 2 cards and another interface on the motherboard, speaking for myself. I assumed that it listens on all interfaces if you don't specify otherwise... |
| 12:39.31 | ruskie | jpa-, -i made my server work properly... |
| 12:39.41 | rkr | (Which is what I want. the RealTek (el-cheapo) NIC talks to my DSL modem for world access. The fxp (Intel chipset) is for my private network...(^& |
| 12:39.42 | ruskie | zaph, your ip changes??? |
| 12:40.10 | zaph | yes, but i have a dns update programm running |
| 12:40.31 | ruskie | zaph, well I think you set that to your lan ip... |
| 12:40.43 | *** part/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c126-p081.vtx.ch) |
| 12:41.15 | jpa- | ruskie: mine too, because i have many ip |
| 12:41.41 | jpa- | zaph: i think you can use -i user.dyndns.org too |
| 12:42.01 | zaph | ok...thx...lets see! |
| 12:42.05 | jpa- | i'm not sure |
| 12:42.56 | rkr | man page says that -i takes an "interface". I assumed you'd give it something like "rtk0" or "fxp0" (or, in GNU/LINUX, "eth0", "eth1", ...). |
| 12:43.02 | ruskie | nope |
| 12:43.08 | ruskie | interface means the ip assigned to it |
| 12:43.25 | jpa- | it takes the ip |
| 12:43.28 | rkr | Then should perhaps s/interface/ip number/ to avoid confusion. (^& |
| 12:43.37 | jpa- | rkr: it says so |
| 12:43.52 | jpa- | rkr: This is the TCP/UDP/IP |
| 12:43.53 | jpa- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.01 | rkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.01 | rkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.01 | rkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.01 | rkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.20 | rkr | The last sentence says that, yes. |
| 12:44.40 | rkr | But that comes off sounding like a watered down explanation. The rest of the entry talks about "interface". |
| 12:44.55 | jpa- | yup, a bit misleading but.. |
| 12:45.00 | rkr | (Which to me corresponds to the meaning of "interface" from ifconfig, etc.) |
| 12:45.14 | rkr | (shrug) |
| 12:45.45 | rkr | (I didn't actually read the last sentence; saw the first line and thought, "Well, I don't care which interface is used; any/all on my machine is fine with me," and skipped to the next option.) |
| 12:45.48 | jpa- | excuse me, but bzflag works on windows too |
| 12:45.59 | jpa- | so, we can't use just some linux/unix specific "eth0" |
| 12:46.23 | rkr | Yes, but we're reading the man-page, here, which is placed in the classic UNIX documentation context. |
| 12:46.45 | jpa- | but it is on the web too |
| 12:46.49 | jpa- | and..argh, don't care |
| 12:46.59 | rkr | (and "eth0" is quite linux-specific...(^&) |
| 12:47.08 | rkr | (shrug) |
| 12:47.23 | zaph | wiki says::::the -i parameter is used here to force an IP address. This server happens to have more than one IP address. This is not required on most servers. |
| 12:47.33 | rkr | Would it make it harder for MS-Windows users to understand if "ip address" were used instead of "interface"? |
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| 13:16.19 | *** join/#bzflag sniperiid (~sniper_@82.137.26.35) |
| 13:16.40 | sniperiid | what does mean 'voice' ? |
| 13:17.07 | sniperiid | how can i be voice/ |
| 13:34.09 | *** join/#bzflag ep (mdr@ip68-97-122-98.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 13:41.43 | _Manu_ | sniperiid, read here: http://www.ircbeginner.com/opvinfo/opvinfo.html |
| 13:42.42 | _Manu_ | sniperiid, and don't write using bold |
| 13:43.06 | sniperiid | k |
| 13:43.45 | _Manu_ | sniperiid, or somebody can kick you :) |
| 13:43.53 | sniperiid | ok :) this is better/ |
| 13:46.36 | sniperiid | This font is bette? |
| 13:46.37 | _Manu_ | :( |
| 13:46.47 | _Manu_ | is the same |
| 13:46.52 | sniperiid | hm wait |
| 13:47.17 | _Manu_ | don't waste time... the fonts you are selecting.. only you can get it |
| 13:47.17 | *** part/#bzflag sniperiid (~sniper_@82.137.26.35) |
| 13:52.47 | *** join/#bzflag sniperiid_ (~cristb@82.137.26.35) |
| 13:52.51 | sniperiid_ | hi :) |
| 13:53.00 | _Manu_ | hi |
| 13:53.19 | sniperiid_ | is this better? |
| 13:53.57 | jpa- | yes |
| 13:54.07 | jpa- | but did you get some brains too? |
| 13:54.11 | sniperiid_ | yea |
| 13:58.34 | sniperiid | who can make me some rocks ? |
| 13:59.45 | jpa- | just steal the trepan ones |
| 13:59.50 | jpa- | they're the best anyway |
| 14:00.11 | sniperiid | is there a scrshot of them ? |
| 14:00.51 | jpa- | oh no, you are you |
| 14:01.22 | jpa- | could you bother not to change your nick and host all the time so my ignore wouldn't break? |
| 14:01.47 | *** join/#bzflag zaph (~d980171c@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 14:02.08 | sniperiid | :) |
| 14:02.11 | zaph | ~bzfquery anultimatearena.dnsalias.com:5155 |
| 14:02.21 | zaph | ~bzfquery anultimatearena.dnsalias.com:5155 |
| 14:02.57 | sniperiid | ~bzfquery anultimatearena.dnsalias.com:5155 |
| 14:05.44 | sniperiid | :O |
| 14:07.01 | zaph | i'll get it one day...... |
| 14:07.08 | sniperiid | yeah |
| 14:07.26 | sniperiid | do u have screenshot of the map ? |
| 14:07.50 | zaph | no...sry |
| 14:07.59 | sniperiid | ok |
| 14:08.03 | zaph | its very mario like though |
| 14:08.11 | sniperiid | ok |
| 14:09.06 | *** part/#bzflag zaph (~d980171c@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
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| 15:03.50 | rkr | Okay, question about groups: I've put myself in a couple of groups, but I don't seem to be in them when I connect. (I am globally registered; I don't /identify...) |
| 15:04.50 | rkr | E.g., then, if I try to do /playerlist, I'm told that i don't have permission. But I'm in group "admin", and also added myself to a group called "cops" (which has /playerlist, /ban, and /kick). |
| 15:13.24 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (~bzgirl@orchid.user) |
| 15:15.17 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@63.147.94.151) |
| 15:15.25 | rkr | Okay, I see the problem. I added myself to "admin" not to "local.admin" |
| 15:21.46 | *** join/#bzflag S1gn (~corwin@bzq-82-81-100-73.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 15:24.29 | S1gn | hi. I have stupid question :-) why with -synctime it's always day there and sun always in same position? |
| 15:26.35 | *** join/#bzflag Teed (~531d64b6@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 15:26.51 | Teed | hello ;) |
| 15:27.17 | Teed | is there |
| 15:27.23 | Teed | polish ??? |
| 15:27.38 | Teed | ??/ |
| 15:28.46 | learner | S1gn: could be a bug, it's supposed to be the server's time |
| 15:29.05 | learner | so if the server's clock is wrong, then it won't work.. |
| 15:29.29 | learner | poor teed |
| 15:29.34 | learner | no sausages for him |
| 15:29.38 | *** join/#bzflag bz7621 (~531d64b6@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 15:29.49 | bz7621 | :| |
| 15:29.59 | bz7621 | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 15:30.07 | bz7621 | %u0142o |
| 15:30.13 | bz7621 | shpan ;) |
| 15:30.42 | learner | ~dict shpan |
| 15:30.52 | bz7621 | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 15:30.58 | bz7621 | ehhh |
| 15:31.03 | bz7621 | nie t o!!! |
| 15:31.05 | bz7621 | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 15:31.10 | bz7621 | kurde |
| 15:31.11 | learner | stop it |
| 15:31.16 | bz7621 | ok ... |
| 15:31.20 | bz7621 | but ... |
| 15:31.22 | bz7621 | :| |
| 15:31.25 | bz7621 | ok ... |
| 15:31.43 | silverfox | Teed: JA nie mówie Jezyk polski (polski; blask), ale JA ma *http*://*www.poltran.com*/ |
| 15:31.50 | silverfox | oh, he left. |
| 15:31.57 | learner | he's still here |
| 15:32.06 | silverfox | Teed? |
| 15:32.07 | learner | as bz7621 |
| 15:32.11 | silverfox | ah. |
| 15:32.20 | bz7621 | :| |
| 15:32.35 | bz7621 | what ?? |
| 15:32.36 | silverfox | bz7621, Co robi wy potrzebujecie? |
| 15:32.37 | bz7621 | co ??? |
| 15:32.52 | bz7621 | coooooooo ??? |
| 15:32.59 | bz7621 | co tak gadasz ??? |
| 15:33.22 | learner | must you repeat all your punctuation? :) |
| 15:33.38 | silverfox | JA moge próbowac (wypróbowywac). |
| 15:33.50 | bz7621 | i don't understand you ... |
| 15:33.56 | silverfox | hehe... oh well. |
| 15:34.03 | bz7621 | :| |
| 15:34.10 | silverfox | Zalujacy. |
| 15:34.12 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~JeffM@JeffM2501.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) |
| 15:34.12 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 15:34.20 | bz7621 | co ??? |
| 15:34.21 | silverfox | JeffM2501, hello. |
| 15:34.25 | bz7621 | gadajcie zesz po polsku ... |
| 15:34.26 | silverfox | Sorry. |
| 15:34.35 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 15:34.44 | learner | hola jeffmeister |
| 15:34.50 | bz7621 | ehhh ... |
| 15:34.54 | JeffM2501 | sup |
| 15:35.26 | bz7621 | ej wiecie moze |
| 15:35.36 | learner | back home from chowda-ville, taking the day off |
| 15:35.37 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 15:35.47 | bz7621 | czy port servera moze byc jakis.. np egzotyczny ??? |
| 15:35.53 | bz7621 | np. 14004 ??? |
| 15:36.05 | CBG | JeffM2501: Whats the policy on flaming on the bb? |
| 15:36.20 | bz7621 | jeszcze o to chodzi %u017Ceby by%u0142 public :| |
| 15:36.30 | bz7621 | CZY KTO%u015A MNIE WOGULE SLUCHA ?!?!? |
| 15:36.46 | bz7621 | CZY KTOS MNIE WOGULE SLUCHA ?!?! |
| 15:37.48 | learner | bz7621: stop it -- wait for a response |
| 15:38.03 | JeffM2501 | bz7621, please use english |
| 15:38.07 | CBG | bz7621: Do you speak english? |
| 15:38.16 | JeffM2501 | CBG, what are you like the little board rules fink? |
| 15:38.17 | learner | he does not, polish |
| 15:38.31 | bz7621 | englisz ??? |
| 15:38.35 | CBG | JeffM2501: eh? Whats your problem? time of the month? |
| 15:38.35 | JeffM2501 | ja |
| 15:38.36 | bz7621 | yes :||||| |
| 15:38.42 | JeffM2501 | CBG, ? |
| 15:38.45 | bz7621 | no !!! |
| 15:38.55 | learner | he also insists on using punctuation in duplicate or triplicate ;) |
| 15:38.55 | CBG | JeffM2501:I wanted to point out that som people are flaming each other at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4167 |
| 15:39.03 | JeffM2501 | CBG, ok |
| 15:39.13 | bz7621 | i have a question |
| 15:39.23 | CBG | JeffM2501: if you dont care about flaming, no problem, if you do, you may want to edit/remove those posts. |
| 15:39.24 | JeffM2501 | we guessed that |
| 15:39.42 | JeffM2501 | CBG, I never said I didn't care, youjust seem to point out a lot of them :) |
| 15:39.49 | JeffM2501 | how bad is it? |
| 15:39.55 | CBG | Not awefully... |
| 15:40.09 | *** join/#bzflag bunniWork (~alex@p54A76815.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:40.14 | bz7621 | how to add my server to public list ??? |
| 15:40.26 | CBG | someone made a comment that their own name was odd, another said "ou cant complain about your name because YOU chose it. dont like it, just change it....idiot..." |
| 15:40.27 | learner | use -public and -publicaddr |
| 15:40.35 | orchid | ~bzfs |
| 15:40.36 | ibot | somebody said bzfs was the BZflag server, you need: -publicaddr server.name.com:5154 *and* -public " come play here" must be set in your bzfs.conf, *also* open the port (5154 in this case) in your firewall/router *also* see http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer, or see http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 15:40.48 | JeffM2501 | CBG, dude that's pushing it |
| 15:40.51 | JeffM2501 | pushing it HARD |
| 15:41.03 | CBG | :) Well, Glad to have helped. |
| 15:41.08 | bz7621 | i know ... |
| 15:41.15 | bz7621 | use -publick. ... |
| 15:41.19 | bz7621 | but ... |
| 15:41.28 | learner | but ... |
| 15:41.29 | bz7621 | i must mave port 14004 :| |
| 15:41.30 | JeffM2501 | bz7621, are you behind a router? |
| 15:41.43 | bz7621 | no ... |
| 15:41.47 | learner | bz7621 -p 14004 |
| 15:41.49 | bz7621 | why ??? |
| 15:41.50 | silverfox | angielski |
| 15:41.57 | silverfox | angielski |
| 15:41.59 | bz7621 | a hia ... |
| 15:42.04 | bz7621 | -p 14004 |
| 15:42.10 | bz7621 | i knnow this :| |
| 15:42.19 | bz7621 | but !!! |
| 15:42.28 | learner | and add the port on the publicaddr |
| 15:42.32 | JeffM2501 | bz7621, add :14004 to your publicaddr line |
| 15:42.40 | bz7621 | :| |
| 15:42.44 | bz7621 | is it work ??? |
| 15:42.49 | JeffM2501 | it should |
| 15:43.02 | bz7621 | thanks ;) |
| 15:43.05 | learner | unless you're behind a firewall/proxy |
| 15:43.05 | CBG | so JeffM2501: You want me to keep informing you of stuff like that or not? |
| 15:43.08 | JeffM2501 | you will not know untill you try |
| 15:43.49 | JeffM2501 | CBG, it's up to you, that is such a small thing that I am not woried about it, calling somone an idiot in jest is not worth the time. If it escalates to a flamewar then yeah |
| 15:44.10 | CBG | Ok. sure. :) |
| 15:44.44 | CBG | so, what did you mean by "dude that's pushing it HARD" ? |
| 15:45.15 | JeffM2501 | that calling somone an idiot, and saying that it's a flame, is pushing the defenition of flame |
| 15:45.47 | CBG | Oooh. Ok ;) |
| 15:46.06 | CBG | Its not just what he said, more the WAY he said it.... |
| 15:46.12 | CBG | or the WAY i percieved it. |
| 15:46.18 | CBG | *perceived. |
| 15:46.19 | JeffM2501 | that is more like it |
| 15:46.33 | JeffM2501 | when you have to go to that depth to see that it's a problem, then it's probably YOU not them |
| 15:46.40 | bz7621 | :|||||| |
| 15:46.54 | CBG | And someone responded with something like "Shut Up. He's much cooler than you'll ever be" |
| 15:47.05 | JeffM2501 | well the entire thread is lame |
| 15:47.08 | JeffM2501 | and will be mvoed to chat |
| 15:47.08 | CBG | So it seemed that peopl were taking sides... |
| 15:47.10 | CBG | Yes! |
| 15:47.10 | bz7621 | how to make help file ??? |
| 15:47.21 | JeffM2501 | bz7621, man bzfs |
| 15:47.28 | bz7621 | ??? |
| 15:47.28 | JeffM2501 | if you are on linux |
| 15:47.32 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you on? |
| 15:47.46 | bz7621 | now ??? |
| 15:47.50 | bz7621 | windows ;| |
| 15:48.01 | CBG | "me1" is also a troll |
| 15:48.11 | CBG | if a troll is someone who asks for server passwords, etc. |
| 15:48.19 | JeffM2501 | bz7621, http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi |
| 15:48.29 | JeffM2501 | CBG, you have proof of this? |
| 15:48.36 | bz7621 | hothanks;) |
| 15:48.40 | CBG | He asked me himself. |
| 15:48.42 | bz7621 | thanks ;) |
| 15:48.51 | CBG | For the pass to MY server which i was testing my map on. |
| 15:49.08 | JeffM2501 | ok, does he do it on other servers? |
| 15:49.09 | CBG | Ill see if I have any Evidence and/or his IP. |
| 15:49.14 | CBG | I believe so... |
| 15:49.25 | *** join/#bzflag bretzel (~bretzel@modemcable128.237-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 15:49.26 | JeffM2501 | maybe he just wants to be an admin |
| 15:49.33 | *** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 15:49.33 | JeffM2501 | is there a crime in that? |
| 15:49.36 | *** join/#bzflag Digitalbear (~AXYS@ip24-254-121-249.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 15:49.36 | bretzel | Hi there |
| 15:49.47 | CBG | Maybe... but still... |
| 15:49.55 | CBG | I was just SAYing... |
| 15:50.21 | CBG | And no, I have no actual evidence... |
| 15:50.24 | learner | no harm in asking |
| 15:50.30 | CBG | Well, there is. |
| 15:50.33 | learner | "just say no" |
| 15:50.36 | CBG | Because why would he ask? |
| 15:50.40 | bretzel | Finished compiling bzflag 2.0.2 and ingame menu "search servers" fails: can't lookup hostname ( my.BZLFAG.org/db ) |
| 15:50.44 | CBG | why does he want to be admin? |
| 15:50.55 | learner | CBG, uhm, because he wants it? |
| 15:51.03 | learner | CBG, can I have 10 thousand dollars? |
| 15:51.08 | CBG | But why? whats he want to do with the power? |
| 15:51.20 | CBG | learner: sure. whats your bank number? I'll wire it to you. |
| 15:51.38 | learner | paypal it |
| 15:51.52 | bretzel | :-( -- please, any hints why it can't conntect ? - or resolve the hostname for servers list ? |
| 15:52.30 | learner | my.bzlfag.org? typo on your part, I assume |
| 15:52.37 | blast007 | bretzel: can you ping my.bzflag.org ? |
| 15:53.23 | bretzel | maybe I've typo, but the game I doubt... yes I can go to http://my.bzflag.org, but ingame menus for searching servers fails |
| 15:53.32 | orchid | why cant we murder CGI:IRC? |
| 15:53.39 | learner | :) |
| 15:53.47 | learner | such violet words |
| 15:54.05 | CBG | Can anyone help me log the bzfs/bzadmin output in Terminal? |
| 15:54.11 | orchid | you mean violent? |
| 15:54.15 | learner | that too |
| 15:54.35 | orchid | its second nature to me |
| 15:54.43 | bretzel | we can become violet when we are beeing violent :-) |
| 15:54.52 | orchid | true |
| 15:55.13 | CBG | ya know, If your *really* angry you can see violet. :P |
| 15:55.28 | bretzel | -- Maybe is there a bug in 2.0.2 in the network stuff of the game ? |
| 15:56.30 | orchid | bretzel: ping works from the comand line yes? |
| 15:56.46 | blast007 | bretzel: what operating system? |
| 15:56.48 | bretzel | CBG: and getiing heart attack if we get too much violet :-) |
| 15:57.03 | bunniWork | yo' |
| 15:57.08 | learner | CBG, I generally run my bzfs through a script like http://db.bzflag.bz/tmp/bzserver-decks.sh and then capture the output to a file |
| 15:57.40 | bretzel | ping works as I said earlier, website work, but it is in game when I want to get the servers list to connect on that fails to "lookup" the hostname |
| 15:57.49 | learner | mmm.. hamburgers |
| 15:58.16 | bunniWork | learner: they are soooooooo.... yummie specially the lacrosse players |
| 15:58.20 | CBG | Learner: ok. i dont much understand the script and I just want to log the bzfs/bzadmin output :( |
| 15:58.42 | *** join/#bzflag Admirarch (1000@mwr25.christs.cam.ac.uk) |
| 15:59.15 | learner | ./bzfs > somelog.txt 2>&1 |
| 15:59.40 | bretzel | blast007: soryy for this late respond: Linux Fedora (FC4) got bzflag sources 2.0.2, compiled and that 's it/// |
| 15:59.56 | learner | if you just want chat, you'll need bzadmin, but bzfs itself will output just about everything |
| 16:00.13 | CBG | yeah. so I just type that line where? |
| 16:00.45 | CBG | In another terminal window? |
| 16:00.52 | learner | ehm, no not exactly |
| 16:01.05 | learner | you certainly have other bzfs options you use to start your server |
| 16:01.23 | CBG | yeah... |
| 16:01.26 | bretzel | I would like to know how I can catch some log infos about my bzflag errors... |
| 16:01.28 | learner | however you start bzfs.. add "> somefile.txt 2>&1" to the end of it |
| 16:01.58 | CBG | so I would run bzfs with: ./bzfs -conf conf.conf > TestLOG.txt 2>&1 |
| 16:01.59 | learner | bretzel, there's a -d debug option |
| 16:02.06 | learner | CBG, yes |
| 16:02.10 | CBG | Thanks :D |
| 16:02.28 | learner | assuming bzfs was in . of course |
| 16:02.38 | CBG | Yeah. ;) |
| 16:02.39 | CBG | Will it create the file if it doesnt exist? |
| 16:02.47 | bretzel | The errors bzflag reports is that it can't resolve my.bzflag.org but it certainly something before that step... my network works... I am here online thus --- |
| 16:03.02 | learner | you can watch the log with "tail -f TestLOG.txt" or using the Console application |
| 16:03.03 | bretzel | thank you learner, I am trying that now |
| 16:03.32 | learner | bretzel, you can use multiple -d's so maybe -d -d -d |
| 16:04.58 | Digitalbear | can anyone recommend a good map editor? |
| 16:04.59 | bretzel | signficative debug trace I've found: "curl_easy_perform() error: 6" |
| 16:05.28 | learner | Digitalbear, there are only a couple |
| 16:05.41 | bretzel | I know curl is the place to look for the error, maybe I have misconfiguration data ? |
| 16:05.42 | learner | a good text editor is always a good start ;) |
| 16:05.49 | CBG | learner: So then I type tail -f TestLOG.tx into Terminal? That doesnt work :( |
| 16:06.34 | learner | what do you mean by "it doesn't work"? |
| 16:06.50 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (~birdie@d51A465C1.access.telenet.be) |
| 16:07.05 | CBG | "-bash: tall: command not found" |
| 16:07.30 | bretzel | libcurl found by bzflag: "LIBCURL: libcurl/7.13.1 OpenSSL/0.9.7f zlib/1.2.2.2 libidn/0.5.15" |
| 16:07.42 | Digitalbear | thank you learner . :) |
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| 16:08.17 | learner | i didn't say tall.. I wrote tail ;) |
| 16:08.30 | CBG | gah |
| 16:08.36 | learner | like "shake your tail-feathers" |
| 16:08.43 | CBG | ill change my irc font. |
| 16:09.09 | bretzel | You know what ? - I think I will re-compile bzflag from scratch, I suspect a preivious compilation break that could corrupt a binary object file..... |
| 16:09.18 | *** part/#bzflag Digitalbear (~AXYS@ip24-254-121-249.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 16:09.49 | learner | bretzel, it's very likely -- there is a reported problem of a bogus netowrking library getting used (that was fixed in recent cvs) |
| 16:10.09 | learner | bretzel, check out the sources from cvs and run that |
| 16:10.33 | bretzel | learner: okay, If that recompile doesn't change a think I will grab that cvs version then :-) |
| 16:11.07 | learner | just recompiling shouldn't fix the problem if it's the one that was reported a couple weeks back |
| 16:11.50 | bretzel | learner, ah! that is a known bug... then why bzflag home site/download doesn't tell that ? |
| 16:12.24 | learner | i didn't say that's what the problem is, I don't know for certain that is what your paricular problem is |
| 16:12.29 | learner | but it sounds a little bit like it |
| 16:13.11 | learner | if it adds -lbind to the compile line along with -lsocket, it's wrong |
| 16:13.30 | bretzel | learner: hehehe cool, it seems to be my probs anyway - unless I install a non-buggy curl lib version ? |
| 16:13.37 | learner | look in your configure.in file for a line that has -lbind and remove it before compiling |
| 16:13.52 | learner | nothing to do with curl really |
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| 16:14.39 | bretzel | oh! it is already commetned out!! :-) |
| 16:15.29 | learner | hmm.. then it might be a different problem (or there's another lbind line) |
| 16:18.45 | bretzel | ah! I am missing "adns" tool on my system! :-) |
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| 16:26.02 | Birdie | JeffM2501 ping |
| 16:34.36 | bretzel | it links with bind even if that -lbind line is commented out |
| 16:35.06 | bretzel | okay getting from cvs anyway... |
| 16:36.37 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, pong |
| 16:36.48 | Birdie | i think your bot crashed again |
| 16:37.00 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 16:37.48 | *** join/#bzflag TheLastSpartan (guu@myth.gibbscam.com) |
| 16:38.17 | Birdie | ty |
| 16:38.35 | JeffM2501 | sure |
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| 16:49.11 | *** part/#bzflag silverfox (vircuser@68-116-47-254.or.charter.com) |
| 16:52.59 | bretzel | Now compiling the cvs version :-) |
| 17:02.56 | bretzel | cvs version works!!!!! I do can pick servers to connect on ! wooooooo!!!!! :-P |
| 17:03.17 | jpa- | it will crash soon :) |
| 17:03.19 | learner | great |
| 17:03.30 | jpa- | and because it is cvs, you are forced to fix any bugs you find ,) |
| 17:03.41 | *** join/#bzflag zaph (~d9801798@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 17:03.48 | zaph | ~bzfquery anultimatearena.dnsalias.com:5155 |
| 17:03.53 | bretzel | hahahah! :-) doh! I am not a 3D programmer!!!! |
| 17:04.01 | zaph | ~bzfquery anultimatearena.dnsalias.com:5155 |
| 17:04.10 | jpa- | erm.. 3D programmer :DD |
| 17:04.25 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@host-84-222-139-232.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 17:04.25 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 17:04.30 | bretzel | yet I do c++ programming but never led to doing 3D graphics coding |
| 17:04.47 | learner | bretzel, good enough :) |
| 17:04.59 | learner | there's no 3d in the server anyways, or half the client for that matter |
| 17:05.27 | bretzel | ..yeah! and I am so much pleased to know that bzflag in written in C++!! I love C/C++ |
| 17:06.15 | learner | and we'll love you for loving c/c++ when you start submitting code :) |
| 17:06.35 | *** mode/#bzflag [-v CBG] by learner |
| 17:07.02 | CBG | I had no voice in the first place ...:S |
| 17:07.20 | *** part/#bzflag jolie (~alex@p54A76815.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:07.22 | bretzel | as most crashes are memleaks, I guess from 3D stuff - thus lost or invalid pointers, I just can't melt my brain into that strange world :-) |
| 17:07.25 | *** join/#bzflag jolie (~alex@p54A76815.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:07.25 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v jolie] by ChanServ |
| 17:08.25 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v orchid] by ChanServ |
| 17:08.33 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v trepan] by ChanServ |
| 17:09.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v menotume] by ChanServ |
| 17:10.12 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.19 | bretzel | okay leaving and saying thanks all, must be now focussed on my Fedora fc4 update stuff ( kde-3.4.0 -> 3.4.1 and especially KDevelop 3.2.1 :-) ) |
| 17:10.21 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-128-153.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:10.46 | learner | hmm.. could almost set the channel to moderated with a few more voicings.. :) |
| 17:10.52 | *** part/#bzflag bretzel (~bretzel@modemcable128.237-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 17:11.06 | jpa- | :/ |
| 17:12.18 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o brlcad] by ChanServ |
| 17:12.29 | Birdie | i need ops to do that cbg:) |
| 17:12.45 | CBG | Birdie: haha. You? OP? hehe |
| 17:13.10 | Pimpinella | wow, lots of cookies |
| 17:14.00 | learner | mm.. cookies |
| 17:14.27 | CBG | chocoltad chip? |
| 17:14.56 | CBG | *chocolate :/ |
| 17:15.28 | jpa- | go back and play. and don't forget the cookies. |
| 17:15.36 | *** mode/#bzflag [+vv bryjen Pimpinella] by ChanServ |
| 17:15.36 | *** mode/#bzflag [+vv Birdie Aribeth_away] by ChanServ |
| 17:15.36 | *** mode/#bzflag [+vv _Manu_ gonkulator] by ChanServ |
| 17:15.36 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v orange] by ChanServ |
| 17:15.36 | Pimpinella | only green and yellow cookies :( |
| 17:15.53 | Pimpinella | whoooooo |
| 17:15.55 | CBG | ChanServ is stoopid :( |
| 17:16.05 | Pimpinella | even more cookies |
| 17:16.13 | Birdie | yay |
| 17:16.15 | *** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 17:16.23 | Pimpinella | but still no chocolate |
| 17:16.27 | Pimpinella | :/ |
| 17:16.32 | Birdie | poor pimpi:) |
| 17:16.44 | jpa- | nicks look stupid with "+" x) |
| 17:17.27 | learner | Pimpinella, here ya go: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/choccy/ |
| 17:18.57 | JeffM2501 | no voice for the wicked |
| 17:19.56 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 17:20.08 | JeffM2501 | you didn't get the refrence |
| 17:20.18 | JeffM2501 | that tells me you aren't ready |
| 17:20.23 | learner | it does make for a more effective mode when the conversation turns towards the annoying and stupid, at least more effective than +R |
| 17:20.41 | JeffM2501 | learner, I like pie |
| 17:20.43 | jpa- | if i could get global +v and global +l, it might read "jpa-(+evil)" |
| 17:21.08 | CBG | I think i get the re.f but I'm still not wicked. |
| 17:21.11 | learner | JeffM2501, me too.. though rhubarb crunch takes the cake for me |
| 17:21.20 | jpa- | acutally no.. stupid alphabet |
| 17:22.05 | *** mode/#bzflag [+m] by learner |
| 17:22.16 | learner | hmm.. oh the fun one could have |
| 17:22.29 | learner | let the demigods protect and serve |
| 17:23.23 | *** part/#bzflag zaph (~d9801798@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 17:23.58 | learner | pretty effective |
| 17:24.32 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@brad2901.user) |
| 17:25.11 | JeffM2501 | requiring voice does break the "IRC is for help" idea tho |
| 17:25.13 | bryjen | learner: i think TimRiker went about setting thinks via ChanServ... It was ChanServ that did the voicing |
| 17:25.25 | *** mode/#bzflag [-m] by learner |
| 17:25.30 | bryjen | s/thinks/things/ |
| 17:26.36 | learner | JeffM2501, yeah .. though somewhat useful for short periods of time |
| 17:26.40 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v TheLastSpartan] by JeffM2501 |
| 17:26.46 | JeffM2501 | learner, true true |
| 17:26.54 | CBG | Can you put any of the bzfs options in the option par of a .bzw ? |
| 17:27.18 | learner | bryjen, I know/figured as much -- only a couple folks can set the chanserv's permanent |
| 17:27.28 | Tupone | learner: is +z better ? |
| 17:27.59 | learner | probably |
| 17:28.07 | JeffM2501 | oh Tupone, if you have a problem with what I do, best to take it up with me... not the other. |
| 17:28.26 | bryjen | CBG: any of the command-line options can go in the options block |
| 17:28.47 | Tupone | I'm not taking with anyone else. I just exiting from the channel if I don't like it |
| 17:28.54 | bryjen | which is the same stuff in a .conf file too |
| 17:29.48 | CBG | I copied my conf file and pasted it into my bzw between "options" and "end" after the world object... |
| 17:30.03 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, kinda sad if you ask me. best to voice your opinions. |
| 17:30.06 | CBG | but when I run bzfs -world mr.bzw it just prints the Usage... |
| 17:30.16 | DTRemenak | CBG: not all options can go in a map block |
| 17:30.36 | DTRemenak | -public* can't, -password can't, -world can't |
| 17:30.37 | JeffM2501 | like -password |
| 17:30.45 | Tupone | I guess you know my opinion, I did some sad face when you did that. more then once |
| 17:30.47 | JeffM2501 | worlds loading worlds, that would be fun :) |
| 17:30.53 | bryjen | ah, yeah no -world makes sense |
| 17:30.58 | DTRemenak | you can do that, just not with -world :) |
| 17:30.59 | CBG | hmm. ok thanks |
| 17:31.00 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, a sad face is not comunication. |
| 17:31.10 | CBG | I don't have -world... lol... |
| 17:31.47 | Tupone | I'm not op, you op decide what to do with the channel, I abide or leave. That is what I know. |
| 17:31.59 | Tupone | and I don't want to be one |
| 17:33.35 | Tupone | I don't know what abide means :( That just came out from the fingers |
| 17:33.54 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:35.06 | DTRemenak | Tupone: roughly, it means dwell or stay. you used it correctly. |
| 17:35.16 | bryjen | ~ibot dict abide |
| 17:35.40 | Tupone | my other life I should have been an englishman :) |
| 17:35.47 | CBG | ~dict 2 abide |
| 17:36.04 | CBG | ~dict 3 abide |
| 17:36.18 | CBG | ~dict 4 abide |
| 17:36.19 | JeffM2501 | you still could |
| 17:36.22 | JeffM2501 | just mary rich |
| 17:36.25 | JeffM2501 | CBG, enough! |
| 17:36.26 | learner | "Tupone: and I don't want to be one" .. that pretty much means he should probably be one :) |
| 17:36.45 | Tupone | well, no. That is social engineering :) |
| 17:36.49 | CBG | Im done already, jeffy. |
| 17:37.03 | bryjen | noisey bunny |
| 17:37.14 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 17:37.25 | learner | reverse psychology |
| 17:37.39 | bryjen | ygolohcysp |
| 17:37.47 | CBG | :D |
| 17:37.59 | learner | (: |
| 17:38.26 | TimRiker | ~reverse psychology |
| 17:38.32 | TimRiker | aw... |
| 17:38.53 | TimRiker | ~scramble psychology |
| 17:39.38 | _Manu_ | ~scramble bzflag |
| 17:39.53 | _Manu_ | CBG, slow |
| 17:40.05 | CBG | :( ibot don't like me. |
| 17:40.26 | CBG | ~scramble bzflag |
| 17:41.33 | JeffM2501 | it prints right on CDs |
| 17:43.00 | JeffM2501 | dude |
| 17:43.04 | JeffM2501 | no burner? |
| 17:43.13 | CBG | Yeah... |
| 17:43.18 | JeffM2501 | dude! |
| 17:43.31 | JeffM2501 | ibooks ship standard with a burner |
| 17:43.32 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 17:43.33 | CBG | I mean, Yeah, I DO have a burner... |
| 17:43.37 | blast007 | dang, my Pentium 133MHz has a burner... :P |
| 17:43.45 | JeffM2501 | how do you hide the pr0n from your parents? |
| 17:43.56 | CBG | Its MY laptop. |
| 17:44.04 | CBG | I dont need to hide it. |
| 17:44.17 | JeffM2501 | they bought it, you just use it :) |
| 17:44.37 | CBG | Heck, I could set porn for all my bookmarks... nobody would know. |
| 17:44.40 | JeffM2501 | but really, I thought all macs came with at least a CD burner |
| 17:44.42 | CBG | The GAVE it to me. |
| 17:44.50 | CBG | Mine DOES have a burner... duh. |
| 17:45.01 | JeffM2501 | <JeffM2501> no burner? |
| 17:45.01 | JeffM2501 | <CBG> Yeah... |
| 17:45.14 | blast007 | <CBG> I mean, Yeah, I DO have a burner... |
| 17:45.16 | CBG | then what did I say? |
| 17:45.20 | CBG | Thanks blast. |
| 17:45.25 | JeffM2501 | 1.2 min ago |
| 17:45.34 | CBG | Buesides: I am never away from my iBook for more than an hour at a time (unless I have school/exam or I'm sleeping. |
| 17:45.57 | JeffM2501 | that is perhaps unhealty |
| 17:45.59 | CBG | So why would I need to burn my toons? |
| 17:46.03 | CBG | perhaps? rofl. |
| 17:46.10 | JeffM2501 | toons? |
| 17:46.13 | CBG | Im gonna be infertile very soon. :( |
| 17:46.14 | CBG | tunes. |
| 17:46.16 | JeffM2501 | animated pron? |
| 17:46.25 | CBG | TUNES. |
| 17:46.32 | JeffM2501 | what ever floats your boat man |
| 17:46.36 | CBG | not that animated pron is necessarily bad. |
| 17:46.46 | JeffM2501 | uhhhhh huhhhh |
| 17:47.48 | learner | cha cha cha |
| 17:48.28 | CBG | animated map-making..... ;) |
| 17:48.38 | CBG | DTR: speakers plugged in? |
| 17:48.46 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 17:48.53 | CBG | Volume turned up? |
| 17:48.56 | JeffM2501 | linux sound system suckage :) |
| 17:48.59 | learner | DTRemenak, need me to sing louder? |
| 17:49.00 | DTRemenak | soundcard is not being recognized by windows |
| 17:49.09 | JeffM2501 | maybe it asploded |
| 17:49.10 | CBG | ah... windows... |
| 17:49.12 | DTRemenak | could be |
| 17:49.16 | Tupone | windows sound system suck ? |
| 17:49.16 | CBG | you actually expect stuff to work? |
| 17:49.35 | JeffM2501 | CBG, it does more often then not, just wait till you install it on your next mac :) |
| 17:49.56 | DTRemenak | CBG: I expect it to keep working if it worked yesterday :) |
| 17:49.56 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, if you need a SBLive I have some |
| 17:49.57 | CBG | no way will I wait. |
| 17:50.02 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: that's what's in there now |
| 17:50.08 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 17:50.10 | CBG | I'de be waiting for eternity. |
| 17:50.24 | DTRemenak | may need another one though :) gonna check it out, brb |
| 17:50.25 | JeffM2501 | anyone know how good linux support is for the nforce4 chipsets? |
| 17:50.33 | DTRemenak | uh...nonexistant :) |
| 17:50.38 | JeffM2501 | great |
| 17:50.42 | DTRemenak | for some parts |
| 17:50.46 | JeffM2501 | what parts? |
| 17:50.59 | DTRemenak | LAN is one, I believe |
| 17:51.00 | CBG | DTR: just because it worked before is not a reason for it to work now. |
| 17:51.11 | JeffM2501 | it should only be a mater of time tho right? |
| 17:51.13 | CBG | quite the opposite in fact, where windows is concerned :P |
| 17:51.16 | DTRemenak | CBG: actually it's a damn good reason for it to work now :) |
| 17:51.19 | JeffM2501 | how good are they at supporting the nvidias? |
| 17:51.31 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: nvidia refuses to release docs on it |
| 17:51.37 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 17:51.45 | DTRemenak | it's probably the same hardware as the nforce2 but there are no drivers for that yet either |
| 17:51.46 | learner | you've been hax0rzd |
| 17:51.51 | CBG | DTR: This is Windows............ |
| 17:52.16 | DTRemenak | CBG: I know...I've been using windows for ~9 years now... |
| 17:52.16 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 17:52.32 | JeffM2501 | CBG, give it a rest, he knows what he's doing |
| 17:52.34 | CBG | DTRemenak: WHY?? :o |
| 17:52.35 | blast007 | CBG: so you assume that hardware in Windows just randomly vanishes on a regular basis? :) |
| 17:52.35 | DTRemenak | stuff doesn't stop working spontaneously :) |
| 17:52.41 | CBG | JeffM2501: Ok;) |
| 17:52.54 | CBG | blast007: That seems to happen with me... |
| 17:53.00 | CBG | well not really hardware... |
| 17:53.04 | CBG | just files, etc. |
| 17:53.04 | JeffM2501 | CBG, all I can say is my mac locks up more then my PC |
| 17:53.08 | learner | heh, that's almost how long ago I stopped using windows as a primary |
| 17:53.31 | DTRemenak | learner: heh. that's about the last time I used macs with any regularity too :) |
| 17:53.36 | CBG | All I can say is I have had a PC lock up on me more often than any Mac and I use PC's far far less... |
| 17:53.41 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, so if I used a PCI nick and sound, would I be able to get linux running on one? or is it just too much a PITA? |
| 17:53.51 | blast007 | CBG: then don't use Windows Me |
| 17:54.04 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yeah, the basic chipset, IDE controller, etc etc work fine afaik |
| 17:54.09 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:54.12 | CBG | I have used 2000, 98, and some others... |
| 17:54.14 | JeffM2501 | then it's not too bad |
| 17:54.20 | JeffM2501 | CBG, anything 98 is ass |
| 17:54.21 | CBG | can't remember what ones. lol |
| 17:54.23 | blast007 | my XP machine can run for weeks at a time, and usually a storm occurs before a system crash |
| 17:54.30 | DTRemenak | I had way better luck with 98 actually |
| 17:54.39 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, that's because you are wierd |
| 17:54.42 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 17:54.42 | CBG | Jeff: I am talking about when it was current... ie before 2000. |
| 17:55.00 | JeffM2501 | CBG, still anyting with 9x or ME is ass |
| 17:55.03 | JeffM2501 | total ass |
| 17:55.05 | DTRemenak | aside from the whole unprotected memory thing where an app can kill the whole system... |
| 17:55.08 | JeffM2501 | NT for life! |
| 17:55.41 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, new system is being priced out right now, just wondering what my nix options are, I'd like to set it up dual boot |
| 17:55.49 | DTRemenak | I've found that 2k rots much more quickly than 98 does |
| 17:56.08 | learner | DTRemenak, eww i didn't go from win to mac .. that would have been os 7 days.. |
| 17:56.37 | learner | not as a primary at least.. |
| 17:56.41 | JeffM2501 | hey, multifinder was the shizzle when it came out :) |
| 17:56.54 | DTRemenak | learner: hrm, '95...what'd you switch to, out of curiosity? |
| 17:57.00 | learner | that went fazizzle |
| 17:57.05 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 17:57.15 | JeffM2501 | naw it was merged in :) |
| 17:57.31 | DTRemenak | I don't remember the keystroke for force-quit but I've still got the muscle memory :) |
| 17:57.36 | JeffM2501 | comeon, didn't you like calling 25 calls to "MoreMasters():" at the start of every app? :) |
| 17:58.10 | JeffM2501 | and checking every call to malloc |
| 17:58.14 | JeffM2501 | because it just MAY not work :) |
| 17:58.24 | CBG | http://www.starterupsteve.com/swf/windows6.html |
| 17:58.31 | learner | DTRemenak, that was the start of experimental times.. solaris and irix ultimately settling on linux after a year or so |
| 17:58.50 | DTRemenak | heh, linux in '96, that must have been...an adventure :) |
| 17:58.56 | learner | it was :) |
| 17:59.09 | DTRemenak | I started beating my head against slack in '98 or so |
| 17:59.11 | JeffM2501 | linux96, it's not an OS, it's an adventure! |
| 17:59.25 | learner | silly people with their "text menus" and "mouse interface" .. pfft |
| 17:59.34 | learner | precompiled kernels.. bah! |
| 17:59.47 | DTRemenak | hah, the precompiled kernel didn't work for me ;) |
| 17:59.57 | DTRemenak | missed half my hardware |
| 18:01.30 | JeffM2501 | I think the first linux I did was some net install from a flopy |
| 18:01.34 | JeffM2501 | mandrake maybe |
| 18:01.41 | JeffM2501 | I had no clue what I was doing |
| 18:01.52 | JeffM2501 | then they guy who was helping me moved to seatle |
| 18:02.07 | learner | i actually sort of miss compiling my kernel on os x now from time to time |
| 18:02.30 | learner | used to customize lil bits of code to be a "little more creative" when reporting things |
| 18:03.09 | ToughShooter | I think it's funny to look at things like 4MB RAM for such high prices in past |
| 18:03.10 | DTRemenak | hah, a few months ago I pulled out that same p-100 and booted it up, logged in as root (suse replaced slack after not too long), got a kick out of "User root: last login: 10 September 1999 01:12:31" |
| 18:04.31 | JeffM2501 | wow p100 |
| 18:04.33 | learner | a kernel that uses colorful metaphors when something goes wrong is so much more entertaining |
| 18:04.40 | JeffM2501 | I'm throwing away all my "P" computers |
| 18:04.43 | JeffM2501 | evne the P2s |
| 18:04.55 | JeffM2501 | I'm wondering what I'm going to do with the P3 1 gig |
| 18:05.07 | DTRemenak | hey, I could use that actually |
| 18:05.07 | learner | compile node |
| 18:05.23 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 18:05.24 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 18:05.49 | JeffM2501 | dude I think I got like a dual 666 somehwer |
| 18:05.58 | DTRemenak | that'd be cool |
| 18:06.07 | JeffM2501 | if I see It, I won't huck it |
| 18:06.12 | DTRemenak | thanks |
| 18:06.27 | JeffM2501 | where you at now? up north or in pasadena still? |
| 18:06.30 | DTRemenak | pasadena |
| 18:06.35 | ToughShooter | P3 was rather good for a x86 |
| 18:06.37 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:06.47 | JeffM2501 | the 1 gig is sasami |
| 18:06.54 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:07.02 | JeffM2501 | once I get my new PC, it'll be upgraded to a semperon 2800 |
| 18:07.07 | DTRemenak | ah, cool |
| 18:07.10 | JeffM2501 | or something like that |
| 18:07.24 | JeffM2501 | then second machine goes to the full XP 2800 |
| 18:07.37 | JeffM2501 | so won't know what to do with sasami |
| 18:07.41 | JeffM2501 | may keep her has a backup |
| 18:07.50 | JeffM2501 | but I think I got faster then a 200 |
| 18:07.56 | JeffM2501 | how many systems you want? |
| 18:08.01 | JeffM2501 | if I have more then one? |
| 18:08.42 | DTRemenak | two would be cool. can't think of any use for any more |
| 18:08.46 | JeffM2501 | k |
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| 18:09.32 | DTRemenak | seeing as how I just got a 5900 I'm not too worried about video cards :) |
| 18:09.57 | JeffM2501 | most of them where like trident and tseng crap |
| 18:10.03 | JeffM2501 | did have one GF2 tho |
| 18:10.05 | JeffM2501 | no fan |
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| 18:11.04 | DTRemenak | I think my GF3 will be going in my mom's computer, and will be the slowest card in use in any of our systems, probably |
| 18:12.29 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:12.43 | JeffM2501 | hell sasami has a GF I think :) |
| 18:12.48 | JeffM2501 | at least a 2 |
| 18:12.49 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:12.50 | JeffM2501 | maybe a 3 |
| 18:14.32 | DTRemenak | dromihete is currently running headless |
| 18:16.53 | bryjen | eeek |
| 18:17.08 | DTRemenak | eeek? |
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| 18:17.58 | bryjen | didn't even think about the main chips themselves not liking Linux |
| 18:18.56 | JeffM2501 | I think the problem is, linux dosn't like them |
| 18:19.09 | bryjen | although, they had other names for the sound and nic parts |
| 18:19.30 | DTRemenak | yeah, if you have non-nvidia sound and lan they should be ok |
| 18:19.49 | DTRemenak | most nforce boards these days have 2 lan ports, the nvidia and a second one |
| 18:20.02 | bryjen | http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket754/k8n4-e_d/overview.HTM |
| 18:20.04 | DTRemenak | dunno about sound. nforce2 sound was the roxor |
| 18:20.10 | DTRemenak | err, teh roxor |
| 18:20.33 | Tupone | bryjen: I have an nForce based laptop (nForce3) and is all ok with linux. Windows came shipped with that, and I removed. Don't want to accept M$ rules |
| 18:21.17 | DTRemenak | yay, defenistration! :) |
| 18:21.24 | Tupone | laptop is an amd64 |
| 18:21.50 | JeffM2501 | well that's at least good to know |
| 18:21.55 | JeffM2501 | what distro did you use? |
| 18:22.04 | JeffM2501 | and will linux run ok on a dual core? |
| 18:22.12 | bryjen | in soviet russian, windows get thrown out you! |
| 18:22.15 | bryjen | ;) |
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| 18:22.40 | Tupone | gentoo, no dual core |
| 18:23.02 | JeffM2501 | well the dual core was a seperate question |
| 18:23.06 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 18:23.15 | bryjen | debian's x86-64 is out |
| 18:23.40 | DTRemenak | linux will run fine and dandy on dual-core |
| 18:23.42 | Tupone | and with 2.6.12 I think I can get irda too (from a 64 bit enabled kernel) |
| 18:23.51 | JeffM2501 | will it huall ass? |
| 18:24.05 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 18:24.13 | bryjen | then i stumbled upon this http://www.slamd64.com/ |
| 18:24.15 | JeffM2501 | and support 3 displays? |
| 18:24.17 | DTRemenak | more so than windows anyway |
| 18:24.27 | DTRemenak | yup, my dad's running 3 displays |
| 18:24.32 | JeffM2501 | yay |
| 18:25.04 | ToughShooter | Tupone: What's with the power consumption of AMD64? |
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| 18:41.03 | ToughShooter | rkr: Sourceforge only allows files being uploaded until a certain size |
| 18:42.31 | shorty114 | whoa what's with all the voices? |
| 18:43.29 | learner | they're practicing for a choral concert |
| 18:43.34 | shorty114 | oh |
| 18:44.28 | learner | hey, I could get used to this |
| 18:44.38 | learner | cept DTRemenak can't sing |
| 18:44.45 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 18:44.51 | Tupone | ToughShooter: I use it normally AC powered. I need another battery for big travels :( |
| 18:45.48 | learner | are those grapes sour? |
| 18:46.06 | jolie | are baby grapes, green and seedless |
| 18:46.12 | jolie | the only kind i eat |
| 18:46.25 | learner | jpa-, I doubt you're the right gender or skilled in the right means to make me happy in the ways I most appreciate ;) |
| 18:46.43 | jpa- | "or"? |
| 18:46.58 | jpa- | if i was skilled enough, gender wouldn't matter? :) |
| 18:47.16 | learner | yep |
| 18:47.32 | jpa- | hrm.. |
| 18:49.28 | jpa- | practising is of no use.. i'll never learn to code c++ anyway |
| 18:50.26 | Aribeth | codeing in C++ takes time |
| 18:50.38 | jpa- | yup |
| 18:50.45 | jpa- | must be some other way to make learner happy |
| 18:52.10 | bryjen | aua |
| 18:52.21 | jpa- | damn |
| 18:52.35 | bryjen | he went quick |
| 18:52.36 | jpa- | he left before i had time to kiss him pretending it is mouth-to-mouth |
| 18:53.03 | learner | jpa-, really good code and time efficiency are almost the pinnicles on the list of things that make me happy |
| 18:54.31 | jpa- | learner: :/ |
| 18:54.37 | jpa- | two things i'm bad at |
| 18:54.45 | learner | he left them to me in his will |
| 18:54.47 | learner | honest |
| 18:55.24 | learner | ~spell pinnacle |
| 18:55.26 | bryjen | !weather pasadena, ca |
| 18:55.29 | TheLastSpartan | bryjen: The current temperature in Pasadena, California (91101) is 77°F (11:42 AM PDT on June 20, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 52°F. UV: 10 out of 16 |
| 18:56.06 | learner | jpa-, can you cook? I'm a big sucker for good food too :) |
| 18:56.07 | bryjen | nice, but no help for the lightning rod |
| 18:56.34 | Aribeth | !weather cumming, ga |
| 18:56.37 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: The current temperature in Cumming, Georgia (30028) is 78°F (2:50 PM EDT on June 20, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 60°F. UV: 9 out of 16 |
| 18:56.42 | jpa- | learner: my sister can, i can sell her as a slave |
| 18:56.47 | learner | heh |
| 18:56.59 | Aribeth | hummm...it may work here |
| 18:58.13 | Aribeth | scattered thunder storms forcast for here. |
| 18:59.46 | menotume | ~hapbir Kierra |
| 18:59.47 | ibot | ACTION sings a variant of Happy Birthday (to avoid royalty fees) to Kierra |
| 19:00.10 | menotume | neven ibot sings |
| 19:00.14 | Aribeth | oh no |
| 19:00.27 | Aribeth | mmmmmm |
| 19:01.09 | jpa- | woke up already? |
| 19:01.16 | Aribeth | almost |
| 19:01.25 | shorty114 | haha |
| 19:01.52 | Aribeth | hummm....still not awake |
| 19:02.14 | jpa- | wow he is difficult :/ |
| 19:02.20 | Aribeth | he? |
| 19:02.30 | learner | hehe |
| 19:02.39 | jpa- | omg |
| 19:02.40 | jpa- | yuck |
| 19:02.44 | [brad] | lol |
| 19:02.47 | Aribeth | ROFLOL! |
| 19:03.33 | jpa- | ~gender jpa- |
| 19:03.36 | ibot | jpa- is hermaphroditic |
| 19:03.43 | Aribeth | EEK! |
| 19:03.44 | jpa- | erm |
| 19:04.39 | jpa- | i'm male |
| 19:04.43 | jpa- | and that was a joke! |
| 19:04.52 | Aribeth | lol |
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| 19:08.32 | shorty114 | ~gender |
| 19:08.33 | ibot | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 19:08.37 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:08.51 | shorty114 | lol learner |
| 19:08.53 | jolie | DTRemenak: can i feed you cherries now? |
| 19:09.12 | DTRemenak | jolie, how about not quite yet, I just got back from being dead |
| 19:09.13 | Aribeth | jpa gets a big shock |
| 19:09.40 | Aribeth | yummm |
| 19:09.53 | jpa- | hey! |
| 19:10.04 | Aribeth | you had your chance jpa |
| 19:10.06 | bryjen | get a room already ;P |
| 19:10.14 | Aribeth | ROFLOL! |
| 19:10.27 | jolie | walks |
| 19:10.31 | shorty114 | lol |
| 19:11.04 | Aribeth | ooooo |
| 19:12.51 | jolie | busy? |
| 19:12.57 | jpa- | learner: that is quite sick.. you're "continuing" with Aribeth while I lie dead next to you.. |
| 19:12.58 | jolie | no more place? |
| 19:13.53 | Aribeth | jpa fails |
| 19:14.28 | jpa- | :/ |
| 19:16.03 | jpa- | they were seedless ones |
| 19:16.12 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/game/ServerList.cxx: Don't start a new list-server request, if previous has not ended yet |
| 19:16.26 | jolie | erk.. |
| 19:17.06 | jpa- | jolie: hold the rod high, towards the sky |
| 19:17.50 | Aribeth | nothing happens |
| 19:18.12 | jpa- | :/ |
| 19:18.22 | jpa- | learner: tell me when you are done |
| 19:18.26 | learner | this is like DnD without a purpose or dungeon master |
| 19:18.34 | Aribeth | lol |
| 19:18.52 | jpa- | erm.. i'm dead :/ |
| 19:19.00 | jpa- | Aribeth: you have necrophilia, don't you? |
| 19:19.17 | Aribeth | nope |
| 19:19.30 | jpa- | sure? |
| 19:19.36 | Aribeth | yep im sure |
| 19:19.42 | jpa- | :/ |
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| 19:23.40 | jpa- | morning |
| 19:25.38 | Aribeth | its alive its alive |
| 19:25.43 | jpa- | hmm |
| 19:26.07 | jpa- | you say i do my master |
| 19:26.22 | Aribeth | what? |
| 19:26.34 | jpa- | erm |
| 19:31.34 | DTRemenak | yeah, right |
| 19:33.17 | Aribeth | DTR???? |
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| 19:36.37 | jpa- | hi LouMan |
| 19:39.31 | LouMan | hi |
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| 19:40.51 | Bagheera | someone has been going voice crazy i see |
| 19:40.51 | CBG | ChanServ... |
| 19:40.51 | BearPerson | yeah, indeed |
| 19:41.04 | Birdie | pull |