irclog2html for #bzflag on 20050619

`00:33.59`	`*** join/#bzflag bz4025 (~5106f9b8@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`01:19.43`	`rkr`	`silverfox: Is that from the "Rummy-Fu" web page?`
`01:27.56`	`rkr`	`http://www.poe-news.com/features.php?feat=31845`
`01:47.39`	`*** join/#bzflag shorty114 (~shorty114@shorty114.user)`
`01:55.43`	*** join/#bzflag kyelewis` (~kyelewis@kyelewis.staff.freematrix)
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`02:15.02`	`shorty114`	`hi Aribeth`
`02:15.08`	`Aribeth`	`hi`
`02:15.22`	`Aribeth`	`im getting whooped in bzflag`
`02:15.42`	`shorty114`	`what server?`
`02:15.48`	`Aribeth`	`ziggy`
`02:16.04`	`shorty114`	`what's the full address?`
`02:16.13`	`shorty114`	`nvm`
`02:16.23`	`Aribeth`	`bzflag.sleepycows.us:5154`
`02:16.46`	`Aribeth`	`there is a guy there thats very good`
`02:17.00`	`Aribeth`	`101 in less than 1 hour`
`02:17.26`	`*** join/#bzflag WonderMop (~Andy@dcn242-33.dcn.davis.ca.us)`
`02:17.38`	`Aribeth`	`i wonder if its Frank`
`02:18.04`	`shorty114`	`how do you get the score on bzadmin?`
`02:18.32`	`Aribeth`	`im not sure`
`02:19.45`	`Aribeth`	`hes only been killed 38 times`
`02:22.31`	`WonderMop`	`lol... beats a cat`
`02:22.34`	`shorty114`	`what's his name?`
`02:23.18`	`Aribeth`	`Lenoon`
`02:23.31`	`Aribeth`	`i know i've seen this guy before`
`02:23.50`	`shorty114`	`what's up with s.b.o?`
`02:24.03`	`Aribeth`	`just wondering who he is`
`02:24.11`	`shorty114`	`http://my.bzflag.org/serverinfo.php?server=bzflag.sleepycows.us%3A5154`
`02:24.13`	`Aribeth`	`seems to be really good`
`02:24.47`	`shorty114`	`and, uh, RSS goes to viewsource`
`02:25.16`	`blast007`	`shorty114: s.b.o. is broken due to a reliance on register_globals...`
`02:25.23`	`shorty114`	`oh`
`02:25.28`	`shorty114`	`is someone gonna rewrite it?`
`02:25.47`	`blast007`	`doesn't need a rewrite, just needs to have register_globals turned back on`
`02:25.52`	`blast007`	`they upgraded to apache2`
`02:26.07`	`shorty114`	`oh`
`02:27.07`	`Aribeth`	`i was just wondering if he is the Frank of old`
`02:28.51`	`WonderMop`	`he has too many names to track :P`
`02:29.06`	`Aribeth`	`i figured`
`02:29.34`	`WonderMop`	`Chester, Cheshire Cat... list is too long`
`02:30.02`	`Aribeth`	`where is the list`
`02:30.24`	`WonderMop`	`LOL... I've seen him around sometimes. Somehow most people know it him no matter the name`
`02:30.48`	`Aribeth`	`ya. almost to good to beleive`
`02:31.43`	`WonderMop`	`also, i keep getting creamed by gerbil and harmless....uggh`
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`02:34.59`	`blast007`	`~DTRemenak++`
`02:36.04`	`shorty114`	`~DTRemenak++`
`02:36.31`	`Aribeth`	`~DTRemenak++`
`02:36.55`	`DTRemenak`	`geez, I change two characters in one file and get all this lovin'...`
`02:37.31`	`shorty114`	`~DTRemenak++`
`02:37.48`	`BenUrban`	`~DTRemenak++`
`02:38.29`	`Aribeth`	`what does s.b.o. do?`
`02:38.44`	`shorty114`	`hmm`
`02:38.50`	`shorty114`	`http://my.bzflag.org/serverlist.php?viewsource=rss`
`02:38.55`	`shorty114`	`is supposed to go to the RSS feed`
`02:39.02`	`shorty114`	`but it shows the source for the RSS file`
`02:39.37`	`shorty114`	`yeah, but that's the link`
`02:39.41`	`shorty114`	`at the bottom of the pages`
`02:39.50`	`blast007`	`that's to view the source code`
`02:39.55`	`blast007`	`there's an XML button on the left`
`02:39.56`	`blast007`	`http://my.bzflag.org/rssgenerator.php`
`02:40.02`	`shorty114`	`oh`
`02:40.03`	`shorty114`	`doh`
`02:40.07`	`blast007`	`:)`
`02:41.58`	`Aribeth`	`mam he has 122 and the next hiest score is 16. lol`
`02:42.17`	`BenUrban`	`bzflag has no scoring system`
`02:42.23`	`BenUrban`	`it has a random number generator`
`02:42.30`	`BenUrban`	`but not a scoring system`
`02:42.46`	`shorty114`	`O_o`
`02:42.48`	`Aribeth`	`player score`
`02:42.54`	`BenUrban`	`bzflag has no scoring system`
`02:43.05`	`BenUrban`	`it may as well be random`
`02:43.07`	`Aribeth`	`hrmmm`
`02:43.09`	`shorty114`	`...`
`02:43.13`	`shorty114`	`you're not registering here`
`02:43.15`	`BenUrban`	`it does not reflect skill`
`02:43.37`	`Aribeth`	`!lart BenUrban`
`02:43.39`	`shorty114`	`well, people who are better/have been playing for longer are up on the top of the chart`
`02:43.42`	`shorty114`	`~lart BenUrban`
`02:43.44`	`Aribeth`	`~lart BenUrban`
`02:44.19`	`DTRemenak`	`~minnowslap BenUrban`
`02:44.21`	`ibot`	`ACTION waves a small minnow in front of BenUrban's nose`
`02:44.25`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`02:44.31`	`BenUrban`	`~blinky DTRemenak`
`02:44.32`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps DTRemenak on the head with a three-eyed fish named Blinky`
`02:44.44`	`shorty114`	`~blinky`
`02:44.45`	`ibot`	`[blinky] a server in emcnabb's rack`
`02:44.49`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`02:45.01`	`BenUrban`	`that's just wrong`
`02:45.47`	`BenUrban`	`until bzflag adopts ELO scoring, the "scoring" system is completely worthless`
`02:46.04`	`BenUrban`	`you shuold ignore those numbers next to people's names`
`02:46.10`	`Aribeth`	`not really`
`02:46.29`	`DTRemenak`	`BenUrban: exaggerating does not help your point :)`
`02:46.39`	`BenUrban`	`yes it does`
`02:46.43`	`BenUrban`	`it always helps :D`
`02:46.45`	`DTRemenak`	`no, no it doesn't`
`02:46.47`	`Aribeth`	`no it does not!`
`02:46.50`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`02:46.54`	`BenUrban`	`fine`
`02:47.01`	`BenUrban`	`those numbers are not completely worthless`
`02:47.08`	`blast007`	`~pw`
`02:47.10`	`ibot`	`patches welcome is probably a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it."`
`02:47.10`	`BenUrban`	`but they do not accurately reflect skill`
`02:47.30`	`DTRemenak`	`and on that, I'd say you're right on the money`
`02:47.36`	`BenUrban`	`i would submit a patch, but i don't know how to implement elo scoring myself`
`02:47.44`	`BenUrban`	`and i hate c++`
`02:47.57`	`Aribeth`	`learn to use the force++`
`02:48.10`	`BenUrban`	`i didn't say i don't know c++`
`02:48.12`	`BenUrban`	`i said i hate it`
`02:48.25`	`Aribeth`	`then learn to embrace it`
`02:48.30`	`BenUrban`	`too late`
`02:48.36`	`BenUrban`	`i can only embrace one language at a time`
`02:48.42`	`BenUrban`	`currently it's python`
`02:48.47`	`shorty114`	`heh`
`02:48.52`	`BenUrban`	`and there's no end in sight for that`
`02:49.11`	`DTRemenak`	`language is irrelevant, it's the alogrithm that's important`
`02:49.15`	`Aribeth`	`as a Systems Engineer i must embrace many languages`
`02:49.22`	`Aribeth`	`riggers of the job`
`02:49.22`	`BenUrban`	`DTRemenak: i disagree`
`02:49.37`	`Aribeth`	`DTR, i agree`
`02:50.10`	`BenUrban`	`some languages provide the means to change your way of thinking`
`02:50.24`	`BenUrban`	`which makes the algorithm better`
`02:50.29`	`BenUrban`	`or worse`
`02:50.32`	`BenUrban`	`depending on the language`
`02:50.40`	`rkr`	`"elo scoring"?`
`02:50.41`	`Aribeth`	`i disagree`
`02:50.43`	`BenUrban`	`lisp for example`
`02:50.47`	`purple_cow`	`some algorithms are difficult or impossible to implement in some languages ;-)`
`02:50.57`	`Aribeth`	`yes`
`02:51.03`	`BenUrban`	`you can't tell me that a lisp programmer has the same way of thinking as a c programmer`
`02:51.14`	`rkr`	`Unless they are the same programmer.`
`02:51.22`	`BenUrban`	`even then`
`02:51.27`	`DTRemenak`	`rkr: even then they think differently ;)`
`02:51.35`	`BenUrban`	`you can't think about lisp and c the same way`
`02:51.37`	`rkr`	`At the same time?`
`02:51.50`	`BenUrban`	`you can't program lisp and c at the same time`
`02:51.50`	`rkr`	`SMP consciousness...`
`02:51.58`	`BenUrban`	`rkr: those people are called women`
`02:52.15`	`rkr`	`You don't have to be programming to be a programmer.`
`02:52.47`	`BenUrban`	`programmer is a type of mindset`
`02:53.05`	`rkr`	`typedef struct mindset mindset;`
`02:53.26`	`Aribeth`	`ick`
`02:53.26`	`BenUrban`	`class Mindset(object): pass`
`02:53.38`	`BenUrban`	`:D`
`02:53.56`	`Aribeth`	`i prefer perl and C++`
`02:54.08`	`rkr`	`I never got into PERL...`
`02:54.29`	`rkr`	`AWK, LISPs, REXX, C and friends, Python (more than a little rusty), ...`
`02:54.46`	`Aribeth`	`hard to master, but very powerfull`
`02:56.03`	`DTRemenak`	`nobody masters perl, it masters you :)`
`02:56.24`	`Aribeth`	`i've programmed in AWK, C, C++, Perl, Shell`
`02:56.30`	`Aribeth`	`Pascal`
`02:56.37`	`Aribeth`	`agreed`
`02:56.56`	`rkr`	`Yes, Pascal, but that's a dull language. Like C with a straightjacket.`
`02:57.05`	`rkr`	`(And too verbose.)`
`02:57.17`	`Aribeth`	`it was fun though`
`02:57.19`	`rkr`	`I won't admit to having done some BASIC and COBOL.`
`02:57.55`	`Aribeth`	`i've done basic, Asmbly, machine code`
`02:57.56`	`rkr`	`(I might be more tolerant of Pascal if I had learned it before C.)`
`02:58.11`	`Aribeth`	`i did`
`02:58.12`	`rkr`	`Never did much machine code, but assembly on a few CPUs...`
`02:58.30`	`Aribeth`	`i started on machine code`
`02:58.38`	`rkr`	`(68K, x86, IBM 360, 68HC11...)`
`02:59.27`	`Aribeth`	`8080, 68k, z80, Dec Vax`
`03:00.30`	`Aribeth`	`each language has it strong and weak points`
`03:00.44`	`rkr`	`Oh, yes, a little bit of Z80, and read a bit of a bad Cybex (Sybex?) on the PowerPC.`
`03:02.50`	`rkr`	`And Uedit's config language. And DME's language. And TeX. And shells...`
`03:03.39`	`Aribeth`	`to many languages to remember`
`03:04.10`	`Aribeth`	`hehe`
`03:04.13`	`bryjen`	`yeesh. ten shots and eleven wing flaps.`
`03:04.47`	`Aribeth`	`ya`
`03:05.02`	`DTRemenak`	`bryjen: so switch servers :)`
`03:05.16`	`bryjen`	`yup`
`03:05.46`	`Aribeth`	`i need to tone down the flaps`
`03:06.10`	`bryjen`	`~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org`
`03:07.19`	`Aribeth`	`WG is too powerfull on my server`
`03:07.19`	`DTRemenak`	`I'll join it if you will :)`
`03:07.58`	`bryjen`	`~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org`
`03:22.38`	`blast007`	`hmm....second time the 2.0.3b7 windows build has froze up on me ;)`
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`03:29.35`	`Aribeth`	`Howdy Learner`
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`03:32.16`	`learner`	`howdy`
`03:32.26`	`spldart`	`Good evening`
`03:41.09`	`Aribeth`	`hi speldart`
`03:41.18`	`spldart`	`Hi... It's quiet in here`
`03:41.28`	`Aribeth`	`right now it is`
`03:41.36`	`spldart`	`Ah.. I missed something?`
`03:42.02`	`Aribeth`	`talkin about programming languages is all`
`03:42.04`	`spldart`	`look out`
`03:42.18`	`spldart`	`ah. compy geek stuff...`
`03:42.34`	`Aribeth`	`yep`
`03:42.37`	`spldart`	`That reminds me.. I was going to ask my brother a C+ question :(`
`03:42.38`	`spldart`	`oh well`
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`03:50.14`	`bryjen`	`~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org`
`03:50.40`	`bryjen`	`~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org`
`03:50.52`	`DTRemenak`	`I heard my name so I came to check it out`
`03:51.04`	`DTRemenak`	`but it was just ibot saying I was still there :)`
`03:51.15`	`bryjen`	`i was lagged out by the netsplits`
`03:51.24`	`DTRemenak`	`ah, that what it was?`
`03:51.58`	`spldart`	`Ah.. wife got home.. bye all`
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`03:53.25`	`DTRemenak`	`~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org`
`03:53.52`	`bryjen`	`joins`
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`05:38.47`	`fatso`	`how do you lock on to someone?`
`05:40.14`	`fatso`	`???`
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`06:29.42`	`bryjen`	`well carp.`
`06:30.47`	`Aribeth`	`whats wrong?`
`06:31.21`	`bryjen`	`the speed checking auto-kick in bzfs`
`06:31.30`	`Aribeth`	`ohhh`
`06:32.15`	`bryjen`	`maybe its just from my tinkering with it. i don't recall it being a problem on secretplace.`
`06:32.27`	`Aribeth`	`ahh`
`06:33.21`	`bryjen`	`ah, there's a % tolerance setting too. I wonder if they've adjusted that`
`06:33.32`	`Aribeth`	`Lenoon still dominates my server.`
`06:33.38`	`Aribeth`	`lol`
`06:33.54`	`bryjen`	`Valdimir?`
`06:34.16`	`Aribeth`	`dont lnow. score of 259`
`06:34.41`	`Aribeth`	`hes from Hungary`
`06:36.11`	`Aribeth`	`so far noone can best him`
`06:36.52`	`bryjen`	`how long has he been going?`
`06:37.10`	`Aribeth`	`hours now. i lost count`
`06:38.24`	`Aribeth`	`his total kills is 491`
`06:38.49`	`bryjen`	`~ 492 / 228`
`06:38.50`	`ibot`	`2.157894736842`
`06:40.41`	`Aribeth`	`???`
`06:44.33`	`Aribeth`	`i wonder if Lenoon is running a cheat client`
`06:46.01`	`bryjen`	`that's not a bad wins/losses, but the high score has to do with longevity too`
`06:49.43`	`Aribeth`	`yes, but he seems able to elude shots that would kill others`
`06:50.03`	`Aribeth`	`i have seen shots go through him`
`06:50.29`	`Aribeth`	`his lag is about 163 +- 10ms`
`06:51.25`	`bryjen`	`eh, it's hard to be sure`
`06:52.00`	`Aribeth`	`yes it is. i have reports thet he seems to be able to see ST and CL without the SE flag`
`06:53.03`	`Aribeth`	`very hard with him`
`06:53.26`	`Aribeth`	`i know i have seen him before`
`06:54.42`	`Aribeth`	`ahh, he just left after ToughShooter came in`
`06:58.34`	`BenUrban`	`if he can see ST and CL without SE, his client is a cheat client`
`06:58.37`	`BenUrban`	`plain and simple`
`06:58.50`	`Aribeth`	`yes`
`06:58.51`	`BenUrban`	`i've seen that code`
`06:58.58`	`BenUrban`	`it's very easy to take out the filter`
`06:59.04`	`Aribeth`	`bullets seemed to go through him at times`
`06:59.16`	`BenUrban`	`that's probably a little bit more complex`
`06:59.19`	`BenUrban`	`but not much more`
`06:59.50`	`BenUrban`	`i presume ToughShooter is one of the cops/admins there?`
`06:59.56`	`Aribeth`	`and he was a bit faster without the hispeed flag`
`07:00.03`	`BenUrban`	`hmm`
`07:00.08`	`BenUrban`	`definitely cheating`
`07:00.26`	`Aribeth`	`i think so, but hard to tell for sure`
`07:00.39`	`Aribeth`	`i've seen him before`
`07:00.56`	`BenUrban`	`heh, there should be a score kick`
`07:01.03`	`Aribeth`	`he split after ToughShooter joined`
`07:01.15`	`BenUrban`	`if score > 250, kick "Get a life, loser!:`
`07:01.18`	`BenUrban`	`s/:/"/`
`07:01.34`	`BenUrban`	`is ToughShooter an admin of secretplace?`
`07:01.49`	`bryjen`	`this is on Aribeth's server`
`07:01.49`	`Aribeth`	`yes`
`07:01.57`	`BenUrban`	`oh`
`07:02.07`	`Aribeth`	`TS is admin on my server`
`07:02.27`	`bryjen`	`you can set the server to declare a winner at a given score and reset the game`
`07:02.47`	`BenUrban`	`so bullets sometimes pass through him, he can see ST and CL without SE, he bolts as soon as an admin enters, ...`
`07:02.49`	`bryjen`	`not the same message you're looking to send...`
`07:03.13`	`Aribeth`	`ya`
`07:03.14`	`BenUrban`	`oh, and he's faster than normal tanks`
`07:03.19`	`Aribeth`	`ya`
`07:03.30`	`BenUrban`	`seems to me it's beyond a reasonable doubt`
`07:03.38`	`Aribeth`	`ya`
`07:03.41`	`BenUrban`	`did anyone complain about him?`
`07:04.01`	`Aribeth`	`if he is who i think he is then he has a dynamic ip`
`07:04.05`	`BenUrban`	`oh`
`07:04.43`	`Aribeth`	`i have to grep the old logs to be sure`
`07:04.53`	`Aribeth`	`me three`
`07:05.18`	`Aribeth`	`well, see y'all later`
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`09:55.08`	`Mr_Molez`	`anyone notice in current cvs... when u jump and look at tanks on buildings the tanks look like they are half in the building ?`
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`10:45.52`	`\|zongo\|`	`hi there, i had some troubles in building 2.0.3 under macosx`
`10:46.28`	`CBG`	`\|zongo\|: :o Hi!`
`10:46.37`	`\|zongo\|`	`hey CBG :O)`
`10:47.33`	`Birdie`	`yo zongo!`
`10:49.36`	`Tupone`	`\|zongo\|: what kind of trouble? are you building with autotools or with "project files" ?`
`10:50.45`	`\|zongo\|`	`project files i guess, i did an anonymous cvs update`
`10:50.55`	`\|zongo\|`	`same problems with ares stuff`
`10:51.06`	`\|zongo\|`	`hey Birdie btw ;)`
`10:51.42`	`\|zongo\|`	`Tupone, here are the errors`
`10:51.43`	`\|zongo\|`	`ares_gethostbyname.c:19: error: parse error before '<<' token`
`10:51.43`	`\|zongo\|`	`ares_gethostbyname.c:20:1: unterminated #ifdef`
`10:52.47`	`Tupone`	`your file had merge conflict`
`10:53.03`	`Tupone`	`remove the file and cvs update again`
`10:53.18`	`\|zongo\|`	`ares_gethostname?`
`10:53.23`	`Tupone`	`yeah`
`10:53.26`	`\|zongo\|`	`ok`
`10:53.32`	`\|zongo\|`	`byname`
`10:54.11`	`Tupone`	`forse hai fatto modifiche localmente ... prima`
`10:54.24`	`\|zongo\|`	`si, me le hai suggerite tu :)`
`10:55.14`	`Tupone`	`:)`
`10:55.16`	`\|zongo\|`	`2 o 3 mesi fa avevo un problema simile e tu mi hai detto di modificare alcune linee di codice`
`10:55.35`	`Tupone`	`si, pero' l'ho parecchio modificato`
`10:55.44`	`\|zongo\|`	`ah ok :)`
`10:56.21`	`CBG`	`is "OK" universal? hehe`
`10:56.30`	`\|zongo\|`	`prolly :O)`
`10:57.22`	`Tupone`	`CBG: you know where OK comes from ?`
`10:57.34`	`CBG`	`Erm... I guess not.`
`10:57.40`	`\|zongo\|`	`Okay`
`10:58.04`	`Tupone`	`I think in the RAF ... when they accomplished mission they used to make a count of kill`
`10:58.21`	`CBG`	`OverKill ? hehe`
`10:58.23`	`Tupone`	`0K meant 0 kille`
`10:58.33`	`Tupone`	`0 not O`
`10:58.34`	`CBG`	`oh right. gotcha`
`10:58.46`	`CBG`	`cool! :)`
`10:59.51`	`\|zongo\|`	`grazie Tupone per il momento tutto procede per il meglio :O)`
`10:59.56`	`Tupone`	`ok`
`11:04.05`	`CBG`	`Is it possible that when not many people on the same ISP as me are using the internet, that I kinda get extra bandwidth?`
`11:04.05`	`CBG`	`Because I was hosting a server fine with low lag, then later it shot up to over 50ms jitter for everyone.`
`11:04.05`	`CBG`	`I was the only one using internet on our line the whole time.`
`11:04.19`	`Mr_Molez`	`if its cable yeh`
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`11:08.59`	`rkr`	`I've heard that it was used for "All Correct" (mis-spelled & abbreviated) on trains.`
`11:09.03`	`CBG`	`Mr Molez: Ok, thanks.`
`11:09.11`	`rkr`	`I've also heard that it derives from an African language.`
`11:09.33`	`rkr`	`I think that there's at least one other that I've heard.`
`11:10.10`	`CBG`	`rkr meacan interesting.`
`11:10.11`	`meacan`	`That is what the links says.. ok = okay = "Oll Korrect"`
`11:10.13`	`rkr`	`I had not heard the RAF version.`
`11:10.27`	`CBG`	`RAF version is the best though. :P`
`11:10.59`	`rkr`	`The link is a bit vague about it, though. The explanation for "Oll Korrect" that I'd read before was specifically re. train freight.`
`11:11.31`	`rkr`	`The URL is the first time I've heard it suggested that it was a "joke".`
`11:11.43`	`meacan`	`m-w.com confirms its oll korrect.`
`11:12.09`	`meacan`	`i use m-w.com alot, so i hope they got it right :)`
`11:12.22`	`rkr`	`...well, given the proliferation of origin theories, I am not inclined to believe any single one to be authoritative.`
`11:12.24`	`rkr`	`(^&`
`11:12.36`	`rkr`	`Here's another to look up: Bar-b-cue.`
`11:12.45`	`Tupone`	`I'm not sure my version is right, though I like it more`
`11:13.03`	`Tupone`	`my ... I read in some place`
`11:13.05`	`rkr`	`I seem to remember one person claimed "barbe et queue" (roughly translated "head to foot") to refer to roasting on a spit, but that was discounted.`
`11:15.38`	`rkr`	`Some more explanations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.Okay`
`11:15.48`	`rkr`	`(err, ...wiki/Okay)`
`11:16.14`	`rkr`	`tupone: Some place == dictionary of word origins.`
`11:16.28`	`rkr`	`I don't have it handy, so I can't give the title.`
`11:16.42`	`rkr`	`But, really, this is all argument from authority, so who cares what the "authority" is?`
`11:16.56`	`\|zongo\|`	`Tupone, scusa il disturbo Alfredo ma ho ancora un problema`
`11:17.01`	`rkr`	`It's not conclusive of anything, even if we only had a single reference.`
`11:17.58`	`Tupone`	`\|zongo\|: ?`
`11:18.12`	`\|zongo\|`	MacDisplay.cxx: In member function `virtual bool
`11:18.12`	`\|zongo\|`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:18.12`	`\|zongo\|`	MacDisplay.cxx:45: warning: unused parameter `BzfEvent&bzf_event'
`11:18.53`	`\|zongo\|`	`aspetta`
`11:19.07`	`\|zongo\|`	`dice: CarbonSound.h: No such file or directory`
`11:20.06`	`Tupone`	`don't know that file ... is Mac specific :/`
`11:20.49`	`\|zongo\|`	`gosh`
`11:21.14`	`\|zongo\|`	`the error comes from MacDisplay.o`
`11:22.25`	`Tupone`	`ci dovrebbe essere una suite di sviluppo, che non so come si chiama, di mac, che contiene questi files`
`11:23.09`	`\|zongo\|`	`ah`
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`11:57.17`	`jpa-`	`gina!`
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`12:00.25`	`gina`	`jpa- :)`
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`12:32.19`	`[1]LePoulpe303`	`hi all`
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`12:37.30`	`\|zongo\|`	`hello`
`12:56.11`	`\|zongo\|`	`some dev around? i still have problems building under macosx`
`12:56.28`	`\|zongo\|`	`../../include/Singleton.h:102: error: 'atexit' is not a member of 'std'`
`12:56.28`	`\|zongo\|`	`make[2]: *** [SceneRenderer.o] Error 1`
`13:02.56`	`CIA-5`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/Singleton.h: since someone added a namescape using, should be sufficient to just check if atexit is available`
`13:05.15`	`Tupone`	`namescape ?`
`13:05.39`	`Tupone`	`escape from name ?`
`13:06.11`	`\|zongo\|`	`how can i fix it?`
`13:09.52`	`Tupone`	`open include/Singleton.h`
`13:09.58`	`\|zongo\|`	`done`
`13:10.27`	`Tupone`	`-#ifdef _WIN32`
`13:10.27`	`Tupone`	`+#ifdef HAVE_ATEXIT`
`13:10.28`	`Tupone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:10.28`	`Tupone`	`-#else`
`13:10.28`	`Tupone`	`- std::atexit(Singleton::destroy);`
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`13:36.28`	`\|zongo\|`	`grazie Tupone ha funzionato :O)`
`13:37.28`	`\|zongo\|`	`cu later all`
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`15:20.17`	`CBG`	`Hello?? 1vs1 anyone?`
`15:20.36`	`CBG`	`Ooops. Wrong channel. Sorry!`
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`16:31.10`	`menotume`	`LePoulpe303: ping-pong-ping`
`16:31.33`	`Birdie`	`he wants to be added on private servers of gu meno`
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`16:31.50`	`menotume`	`yes`
`16:32.08`	`menotume`	`does he have global login? if so, what account name ?`
`16:32.14`	`Birdie`	`dunno, check his irc name`
`16:32.19`	`Birdie`	`if he has one like that`
`16:35.43`	`menotume`	`how about that, it's: LePoulpe (done)`
`16:36.17`	`Birdie`	`check ip of that user with the ip he has here and you will know it:)`
`16:36.20`	`jpa-`	`grep the nick from logs by ip?`
`16:36.41`	`Birdie`	`cant vieuw logs`
`16:37.01`	`jpa-`	`even menotume can't?`
`16:37.13`	`jpa-`	`o-mighty-meno can't read logs? :(`
`16:37.22`	`Birdie`	`i can normal chat ones a bit, but you cant see there if he uses his real callsign and if he is registered / identified`
`16:37.30`	`Birdie`	`only one person can read the real logs on gu..`
`16:37.33`	`menotume`	`nope - no log access`
`16:38.22`	`jpa-`	`hmm.. not on my server logs`
`16:38.50`	`Birdie`	`ah maybe on dub, pimpi ping`
`16:39.01`	`Birdie`	`i saw him playing there before`
`16:39.38`	`Pimpi`	`Birdie: pong`
`16:40.03`	`Birdie`	`i wished every one was as fast in ponging than pimpi`
`16:40.26`	`Birdie`	`can you search dub logs for the guy lepoulpe (ip + global login or not with that nick)`
`16:40.35`	`Pimpi`	`just by chance, returned 2 minutes ago and will be away in another 2 minutes`
`16:40.50`	`Birdie`	`83.201.177.147, should be dynamic with this`
`16:40.52`	`Pimpi`	`lemmec`
`16:42.03`	`jpa-`	`log-river-14-05-05-15-48:Player LePoulpe303 [3] has joined from 81.251.211.99 at 2005-05-14 16:01:05 with token "66504436"`
`16:42.21`	`jpa-`	`it is there, just so dynamic address my grep didn't get it`
`16:43.24`	`menotume`	`no need - no one else would use that name`
`16:43.33`	`menotume`	`and, i will verify with him - no big deal`
`16:43.47`	`jpa-`	`yes, it is the same ISP anyway`
`16:43.57`	`Pimpi`	`LePouple isn't mentioned in last 14 days in any servers log`
`16:43.58`	`menotume`	`ok :)`
`16:44.21`	`Pimpi`	`at least my servers`
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`16:45.20`	`Birdie`	`lol and i was sure i saw him:/`
`16:45.57`	`Pimpi`	`oh, wait, he is`
`16:46.09`	`Pimpi`	`misspelled`
`16:46.22`	`Birdie`	`:)`
`16:47.08`	`Pimpi`	`so what do you want about him?`
`16:47.27`	`menotume`	`nothing, it's resolved :)`
`16:47.52`	`Birdie`	`but his ip?`
`16:48.27`	`Pimpi`	`dynamic, wanadoo france`
`16:48.29`	`menotume`	`what would that prove anyway? Doesn't confirm that it's the saem as on m.b.o.`
`16:49.38`	`Pimpi`	`netname: IP2000-ADSL-BAS`
`16:50.22`	`Pimpi`	`this would be the most specific to get about him`
`16:53.09`	`jpa-`	`~seen sgk284`
`16:53.10`	`ibot`	`sgk284 <~stevek@ACA3B5B1.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 12d 13h 9m 43s ago, saying: 'hey aribeth!'.`
`16:53.16`	`jpa-`	`aaaaaaaaaaargh i need him!`
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`16:54.58`	`creeperz`	`jpa- needs men >.<`
`16:55.09`	`jpa-`	`yup`
`16:55.30`	`jpa-`	`and my hair is not blonde!`
`16:55.45`	`creeperz`	`...`
`16:57.36`	`jpa-`	`aarrgh even tankitty isn't here :/`
`16:58.28`	`Birdie`	`poor you`
`16:58.51`	`jpa-`	`yes`
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`19:09.43`	`menotume`	`Pimpi: 59998 down ?`
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`19:13.29`	`jujibo`	`menotume, running now`
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`19:25.31`	`jujibo`	`Tupone, hola!`
`19:26.06`	`Tupone`	`jujibo: what you did with _Manu_ ? You killed him ?`
`19:26.28`	`_Manu_`	`heh.. i forgot it :)`
`19:26.34`	`Tupone`	`hola _Manu_`
`19:26.38`	`_Manu_`	`:)`
`19:27.27`	`_Manu_`	`Tupone, I use boths.. but here usually only _Manu_ :)`
`19:27.57`	`Tupone`	`j/k I knew it`
`19:28.13`	`CBG`	`JEFFM2501: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4209 SWEARING!! lol hurry....`
`19:28.23`	`CBG`	`before all the little kids see it... :/`
`19:28.50`	`_Manu_`	`Tupone, is this channel going to be moderated? i can see some voice rights:)`
`19:28.58`	`_Manu_`	`or is only for getting up in the list?`
`19:29.11`	`_Manu_`	`:)`
`19:29.12`	`Tupone`	`nope, just to be up in the list`
`19:29.29`	`_Manu_`	`heh I imagined it :)`
`19:31.52`	`Tupone`	`I asked Tim to let newbie know when an answer from this channel is just a joke, like sometime happens in this channel even from "op" :(, or is authoritative, giving op to someone. He preferred giving voice`
`19:31.52`	`CBG`	`Who else here is a mod/admin at the bb?`
`19:32.14`	`CBG`	`Ok. nevermind. :)`
`19:32.38`	`CBG`	`Who deleted the swear word i linked to?`
`19:34.00`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, what post?`
`19:34.05`	`_Manu_`	`Tupone, I see :)`
`19:34.05`	`CBG`	`It's gone now...`
`19:34.20`	`JeffM2501`	`who was it?`
`19:34.22`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: "bz audi" just got himself a warning`
`19:34.29`	`JeffM2501`	`first post?`
`19:34.29`	`CBG`	`There was a post on the end of that topic that just said "F**K!"`
`19:34.34`	`DTRemenak`	`third`
`19:34.38`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`19:34.42`	`JeffM2501`	`others ok?`
`19:34.43`	`DTRemenak`	`first two are on that thread also`
`19:34.53`	`Tupone`	`Fornicature Under Consens of King ?`
`19:34.59`	`JeffM2501`	`I`
`19:35.01`	`JeffM2501`	`I`
`19:35.04`	`_Manu_`	`moderators never sleeps :)`
`19:35.06`	`CBG`	`jolie: :O Not in public. Sheesh!`
`19:35.18`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm younking the entire thread, that is not what the players forum is for`
`19:35.25`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, I told him that too`
`19:35.35`	`DTRemenak`	`figured that could just be a misunderstanding though`
`19:35.41`	`jolie`	`CBG: who cares? i mean he doesnt even notice.`
`19:35.54`	`CBG`	`jolie: maybe he will if I do....`
`19:36.21`	`DTRemenak`	`"lick" is only one character from "kick" :)`
`19:36.27`	`CBG`	`Ah. :) I got a response. ;)`
`19:36.38`	`jolie`	`see`
`19:36.40`	`JeffM2501`	`she did too, you just didn't see it :)`
`19:36.48`	`CBG`	`Ok ok.`
`19:36.53`	`CBG`	`I don't think I want to know.`
`19:36.56`	`jolie`	`i ...`
`19:38.23`	`Aribeth`	`ok`
`19:39.02`	`DTRemenak`	`~ok`
`19:39.04`	`ibot`	`fine`
`19:39.18`	`jolie`	`Oh its much more than ok`
`19:39.25`	`Aribeth`	`lol`
`19:39.57`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`19:40.21`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o jolie] by JeffM2501`
`19:40.26`	`jolie`	`CBG: still no prom date...`
`19:40.28`	`jolie`	`:P`
`19:40.30`	`jolie`	`^_^`
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`19:40.34`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, that is not true`
`19:40.36`	`Tupone`	`nooo, not again ...`
`19:41.00`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm packing beause I'm moving`
`19:41.08`	`_Manu_`	`jolie, jolie :)`
`19:41.09`	`Aribeth`	`fun`
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`19:41.19`	`jolie`	`manu manu`
`19:42.26`	`_Manu_`	`jolie, where is Tupone? ;)`
`19:42.33`	`Aribeth`	`not to change the topic, but be on the look out for a player names Star Wars.`
`19:42.48`	`jolie`	`_Manu_: ni idea... :(`
`19:43.00`	`Aribeth`	`he has been imperonating other players to try and gain admin access to my servers`
`19:43.19`	`_Manu_`	`jolie, just curisosity.. everytime you get op he is gone :)`
`19:43.34`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`19:43.54`	`jolie`	`_Manu_: en serio?`
`19:43.59`	`Aribeth`	`he came in as Lou Man today`
`19:44.13`	`CBG`	`Just so you all know, I have no date because I am too addicted to the evil game you have all made and have no time for girls.`
`19:44.14`	`_Manu_`	`jolie: también puede ser casualidad :)`
`19:44.38`	`DTRemenak`	`Aribeth: could you pm me the IP(s)? I'd like to check something`
`19:44.50`	`Aribeth`	`DTR ok`
`19:49.57`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-o jolie] by JeffM2501`
`19:50.10`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o DTRemenak] by JeffM2501`
`19:52.56`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o CIA-1] by JeffM2501`
`19:53.16`	`menotume`	`Aribeth: that is 'Saturn' aka 'Yugi'`
`19:53.21`	`menotume`	`a big troublemaker`
`19:53.29`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o TheLastSpartan] by JeffM2501`
`19:53.37`	`JeffM2501`	`saturn is yugi?`
`19:53.41`	`menotume`	`yes`
`19:53.43`	`JeffM2501`	`mother....ff......`
`19:53.51`	`menotume`	`i thought i told you that`
`19:53.57`	`menotume`	`:)`
`19:53.57`	`JeffM2501`	`if you did I forgot`
`19:54.22`	`JeffM2501`	`IPs?`
`19:55.09`	`Aribeth`	`JeffM2501 when your done with the banhammer pas it to me`
`19:55.45`	`JeffM2501`	`the banhammer can not be wielded by many`
`19:56.26`	`Aribeth`	`i was speaking figurativly :)`
`19:57.20`	`*** join/#bzflag bz8037 (~445ecfd8@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`19:59.36`	`JeffM2501`	`saturn is now baninated`
`19:59.47`	`menotume`	`yay :)`
`20:00.24`	`ToughShooter`	`He also used satur in past`
`20:01.01`	`JeffM2501`	`not as a global`
`20:01.31`	`DTRemenak`	`as "star wars" he's a smooth operator. seems to trie to gank p/ws and privs`
`20:01.55`	`ToughShooter`	`Well, it just means he'll figure out what was done with his callsign`
`20:02.52`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, I doubted if Sharpshooter was a good choice for admin when BIYA picked him. more confident now...`
`20:02.54`	`Aribeth`	`well, he will get a surprise next time he comes in on sleepycows`
`20:02.57`	`DTRemenak`	`Player star wars [7]: helloo admin if i behave can i get pass`
`20:03.01`	`DTRemenak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:03.03`	`DTRemenak`	`Player Sharpshooter [1]: i dont even know you`
`20:03.08`	`ToughShooter`	`DTRemenak: "star wars" also asked me for secretplace password several times just with another callsign but same IP-adress`
`20:03.27`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, and he tries to use registered nicks to do it too`
`20:03.44`	`DTRemenak`	`so far he's tried LouMan, Elem3nt, and Teppic on my server. who knows what elsewhere`
`20:05.30`	`Aribeth`	`and he tries to act like you should know him`
`20:05.47`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah`
`20:06.04`	`ToughShooter`	`Also said some other players would know him`
`20:06.12`	`Aribeth`	`yes`
`20:06.21`	`ToughShooter`	`So I should give him password`
`20:07.26`	`ToughShooter`	`It was funny when I informed Agent 99 that he asked me for password and got reply that Agent was being asked as well`
`20:08.10`	`DTRemenak`	`makes me curious what he'd do if he were admin. almost tempted to give it to him and see what he does :)`
`20:08.10`	`Aribeth`	`he tells me "very nice server you are the best aribeth"`
`20:08.11`	`DTRemenak`	`he told biya exactly that`
`20:08.22`	`Aribeth`	`ya, i feel the same. setup a dummy server`
`20:09.00`	`Aribeth`	`he says "can i be a admin if i am good"`
`20:09.10`	`Aribeth`	`lol`
`20:09.22`	`_Manu_`	`"stars wars" simply want to run a server.. and he is unabled to configure it`
`20:09.35`	`ToughShooter`	`Heh, have you grepped spheres log Ari?`
`20:09.38`	`_Manu_`	`he asked me how to set a password for his server`
`20:10.12`	`Aribeth`	`ya im reading it now`
`20:10.39`	`Aribeth`	`this guy is to much`
`20:10.42`	`DTRemenak`	`_Manu_: that doesn't explain why he wanders around trying to use other people's callsigns now does it :)`
`20:11.04`	`_Manu_`	`JeffM2501, is Saturn banned.. he asked me why he can't use global login`
`20:11.16`	`Aribeth`	`getting the passwords to many server could do some damage`
`20:11.18`	`_Manu_`	`DTRemenak, I think simply he is a noob..`
`20:11.53`	`_Manu_`	`and if any admin gives him a password.. then fear those admins :/`
`20:11.54`	`ToughShooter`	`I hope password isn't still being used for most servers...`
`20:12.19`	`ToughShooter`	`Saturn was made an admin at 0.bladica.com :x`
`20:12.31`	`_Manu_`	`ToughShooter, yes i know`
`20:12.32`	`DTRemenak`	`_Manu_: he joins and tries to hold conversations with other people's callsigns, and asks for admin. classic social engineering whether or not he's a noob`
`20:12.51`	`Aribeth`	`very classic`
`20:13.07`	`_Manu_`	`DTRemenak, yes can be... but i think that is very low level "social enginnering".. heh`
`20:13.17`	`_Manu_`	`when most of servers not using server password`
`20:13.30`	`Aribeth`	`not really, you would be surprised`
`20:13.39`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, it'd be better if he was knowledgable and spelled things write`
`20:13.43`	`DTRemenak`	`[sic]`
`20:14.01`	`_Manu_`	`Aribeth, I mean serious servers ;)`
`20:14.01`	`DTRemenak`	`but it's still surprisingly effective`
`20:14.07`	`Aribeth`	`ahh`
`20:15.02`	`DTRemenak`	`_Manu_: I still use -password on my servers. Seen the list server die too often, I'm gonna keep my local admin password until we have true redundancy.`
`20:15.15`	`_Manu_`	`The funnies thing i saw.. was one admin making some players cops at his local server.. then used their passwords in the servers they were admins.. heh`
`20:15.32`	`Aribeth`	`a little smooth talking to an inexperianced admin can go a long way to getting what he wants`
`20:15.45`	`_Manu_`	`DTRemenak, :)`
`20:16.07`	`DTRemenak`	`'course I'm the only one who knows it and I'm not about to tell anyone :)`
`20:16.08`	`_Manu_`	`DTRemenak, you don't need to use Global nor List server..`
`20:16.34`	`_Manu_`	`I'm using global.. but if it fails.. i also can use /identify... but using menu options :)`
`20:17.04`	`DTRemenak`	`_Manu_: the local auth system is seriously flawed.`
`20:17.21`	`_Manu_`	`DTRemenak, yes.. but still usable :)`
`20:17.31`	`DTRemenak`	`I do not use it at all, knowing the code :) Global or -password for me.`
`20:17.49`	`_Manu_`	`DTRemenak, lol ;)`
`20:18.36`	`DTRemenak`	`-password is also useful when you accidentally remove yourself from the admin group :)`
`20:18.59`	`ToughShooter`	`Maybe for a short period of time but not for the long run`
`20:19.00`	`_Manu_`	`DTRemenak, well.. you allways can connect to your server using ssh or whatever... and change it`
`20:19.27`	`DTRemenak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:19.54`	`DTRemenak`	`true enough`
`20:20.57`	`_Manu_`	`DTRemenak, then can I use /password supersecretpassword in your servers? ;-p`
`20:21.04`	`DTRemenak`	`_Manu_: nope :)`
`20:21.08`	`menotume`	`nope - i tried it alrady`
`20:21.12`	`menotume`	`hehe`
`20:21.28`	`DTRemenak`	`hah, actually you'd laugh if you knew what my password was`
`20:21.49`	`menotume`	`DataTerminalReady ?`
`20:21.54`	`_Manu_`	`DTRemenak, /password DTRemenak ? kk`
`20:21.58`	`DTRemenak`	`hrm, this guy actually tries guessing passwords too`
`20:22.22`	`_Manu_`	`DTRemenak, kidding :)`
`20:22.26`	`DTRemenak`	`got three consecutive /identify attempts from him under callsign "LouMan"`
`20:22.35`	`menotume`	`hmm`
`20:22.37`	`DTRemenak`	`_Manu_: definately not :)`
`20:23.03`	`Aribeth`	`humm..i dont like that`
`20:23.34`	`ToughShooter`	`I would like to write a auto ban plugins for certain mount of tries within a special delay`
`20:23.45`	`Aribeth`	`old fashioned unix passwords are the best`
`20:23.58`	`ToughShooter`	`If the sample plugins would compile :((`
`20:24.09`	`DTRemenak`	`also tries stuff like Player Lou Man [6]: tread said i can be admin`
`20:24.20`	`menotume`	`yep - that's him alright`
`20:24.31`	`DTRemenak`	`LMAO: Player star wars [6]: hey have you seen lou man he is not the real lou man`
`20:24.36`	`ToughShooter`	`Ya, have one password that is so sure that nobody knows it, even I don't know it`
`20:24.51`	`DTRemenak`	`that's just funny`
`20:25.08`	`Aribeth`	`what i pill this guy is`
`20:25.22`	`ToughShooter`	`~dict pill`
`20:25.33`	`*** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@host-84-222-139-232.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)`
`20:25.33`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ`
`20:25.42`	`menotume`	`hellos Tupone`
`20:25.44`	`Aribeth`	`ita also a slan term from the 1920's`
`20:25.47`	`DTRemenak`	`hah, and then this: Player star wars [6]: see I can be a good admin. please make me admin?`
`20:25.50`	`Aribeth`	`slang*`
`20:26.00`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm, I'm not american`
`20:26.00`	`Tupone`	`hellos ? how many ?`
`20:26.06`	`Aribeth`	`yup i have that one too`
`20:26.07`	`menotume`	`Ari - you are not THAT old`
`20:26.30`	`Aribeth`	`no, but i am 51`
`20:26.34`	`menotume`	`:)`
`20:26.53`	`DTRemenak`	`this guy is a crackup`
`20:27.00`	`Aribeth`	`he sure is`
`20:27.12`	`ToughShooter`	`Seems to have always the same IP-adress`
`20:27.37`	`DTRemenak`	`that's the most persistent social engineering I've seen in bzflag yet. almost two weeks of tries`
`20:28.02`	`Aribeth`	`yes. he is nothing if not persistant`
`20:28.23`	`ToughShooter`	`More than 2 weeks, IIRC`
`20:29.37`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, compare this:`
`20:29.42`	`DTRemenak`	`<Aribeth>he tells me "very nice server you are the best aribeth"`
`20:29.51`	`DTRemenak`	`Player star wars [4]: hello biya`
`20:30.03`	`DTRemenak`	`Player star wars [4]: nice server, very nice you are the best`
`20:30.26`	`_Manu_`	`DTRemenak, lol..he told me the same.. heheh ;)`
`20:30.27`	`Aribeth`	`lol`
`20:30.51`	`ToughShooter`	`_Manu_: AOL ;)`
`20:30.52`	`Aribeth`	`what a tool`
`20:31.10`	`DTRemenak`	`so classic though. like he read the book on social engineering and he's going all-out`
`20:31.25`	`_Manu_`	`but that's too much cheap :)`
`20:31.28`	`Aribeth`	`ya`
`20:31.38`	`*** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (debian-tor@ElectricElf.developer.debian)`
`20:31.39`	`DTRemenak`	`appeal to flattery, appear to be someone you aren't, be persistent...`
`20:31.52`	`menotume`	`and lie when caught`
`20:31.55`	`DTRemenak`	`bingo`
`20:31.58`	`ToughShooter`	`He should try to be nicer over a longer time, say 2 weeks before asking`
`20:32.00`	`_Manu_`	`when they ask me... can I become admin? my response is allways: "Who knows!" :)`
`20:32.02`	`DTRemenak`	`he's just not very good at it :)`
`20:32.23`	`DTRemenak`	`little bit of work and he could probably pull admin on quite a few servers that way though :(`
`20:32.55`	`DTRemenak`	`_Manu_: my response is "if you wouldn't have asked I would have said yes"`
`20:33.14`	`_Manu_`	`hehe`
`20:33.45`	`DTRemenak`	`nobody who's ever asked me for admin on my servers has ever gotten it`
`20:34.22`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, can I be admin?`
`20:34.28`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: you already are`
`20:34.33`	`JeffM2501`	`damn`
`20:34.44`	`Aribeth`	`hehe`
`20:34.44`	`_Manu_`	`well.. they can aski you in another servers :)`
`20:34.49`	`_Manu_`	`s/aski/ask`
`20:34.59`	`ALame12yearOld`	`DTRemenak, can I be admin?`
`20:35.05`	`ToughShooter`	`I'm joking around somethimes, saying "Can I be no admin please" to some players who ask often`
`20:35.06`	`*** kick/#bzflag [ALame12yearOld!~DTRemenak@DHCP-170-84.caltech.edu] by DTRemenak (no)`
`20:35.07`	`*** join/#bzflag ALame12yearOld (~jeffm@69.111.183.196)`
`20:35.10`	`DTRemenak`	`:)`
`20:35.14`	`_Manu_`	`nice :)`
`20:35.18`	`Aribeth`	`ROFLOL!`
`20:35.26`	`Patlabor221`	`DTRemenak, can I be admin?`
`20:35.28`	`_Manu_`	`he got hunted :)`
`20:35.32`	`DTRemenak`	`you probably already are too`
`20:35.39`	`_Manu_`	`:)`
`20:35.40`	`DTRemenak`	`dunno when your nick change took place :)`
`20:35.45`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, only have 1 global`
`20:35.51`	`DTRemenak`	`ah good point`
`20:36.00`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ`
`20:36.15`	`DTRemenak`	`although it's by nick not by bzbb id :(`
`20:36.29`	`JeffM2501`	`you do local groups?`
`20:36.34`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah`
`20:36.37`	`JeffM2501`	`oh`
`20:36.39`	`JeffM2501`	`why?`
`20:36.47`	`DTRemenak`	`good question, actually`
`20:36.51`	`JeffM2501`	`I mean local user db`
`20:36.54`	`DTRemenak`	`because that's the way I set it up before? :)`
`20:36.56`	`JeffM2501`	`not groups`
`20:37.02`	`DTRemenak`	`userdb is always local`
`20:37.15`	`JeffM2501`	`not when you are doing global only :)`
`20:37.31`	`JeffM2501`	`you can go global only, but still allow anyone to play`
`20:37.34`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, but if you have any local groups you have to have a local user`
`20:37.39`	`JeffM2501`	`just means people with perms have to global`
`20:37.46`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, true`
`20:37.57`	`JeffM2501`	`you'd have to convert all your groups to bzbb groups`
`20:38.00`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`20:38.47`	`DTRemenak`	`three sets of three groups if I was going to switch all my servers.`
`20:39.04`	`JeffM2501`	`groups are cheap`
`20:39.13`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`20:39.27`	`JeffM2501`	`hmmm wonder if I shold move current comptuer, or just buy new one....`
`20:39.36`	`_Manu_`	`DTRemenak, lol.. "star wars is a dumb" read this: Player star wars [10]: /password manu`
`20:39.43`	`DTRemenak`	`haha`
`20:39.51`	`DTRemenak`	`worth a try anyway :)`
`20:40.25`	`_Manu_`	`heh.. poor :)`
`20:40.35`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: where you moving to? different place in the same area?`
`20:40.56`	`JeffM2501`	`Thousand Oaks`
`20:40.59`	`JeffM2501`	`next town over`
`20:41.09`	`Aribeth`	`whats your password bob? its bob`
`20:41.09`	`DTRemenak`	`_Manu_: if he did that on every server on the list I bet he'd get one or two`
`20:41.25`	`DTRemenak`	`remember the thing about persistence? :)`
`20:41.26`	`Aribeth`	`or more`
`20:41.28`	`_Manu_`	`and other flower: Player star wars [3]: do you want to exchange passwords i give you mine you give me this one`
`20:41.32`	`DTRemenak`	`haha`
`20:41.34`	`DTRemenak`	`great`
`20:41.34`	`_Manu_`	`:/`
`20:42.00`	`Aribeth`	`like i said...a complete tool`
`20:42.10`	`DTRemenak`	`he got caught twice for faking callsign on biya's server. both times someone noticed the "-"`
`20:42.21`	`_Manu_`	`lol.. I can write a book only using his messages :/`
`20:42.25`	`DTRemenak`	`whoever's idea that was gets a bunch of bonus points :)`
`20:42.30`	`Aribeth`	`lol`
`20:42.40`	`_Manu_`	`he is worse than a spammer`
`20:42.45`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, we could probably make a really funny editorial of some kind :)`
`20:42.49`	`DTRemenak`	`post it on bzbb... :)`
`20:42.54`	`Aribeth`	`ya`
`20:43.07`	`DTRemenak`	`public humiliation time :)`
`20:43.19`	`_Manu_`	`heh`
`20:43.43`	`Aribeth`	`do it`
`20:43.49`	`Aribeth`	`:)`
`20:43.54`	`DTRemenak`	`hehe`
`20:43.59`	`JeffM2501`	`has AMD just stoped making athalonXP processors?`
`20:44.09`	`JeffM2501`	`and only doing semperons and 64s?`
`20:44.15`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: no, the top-end XPs are still in production afaik`
`20:44.25`	`_Manu_`	`yes.. or they will be past september`
`20:44.30`	`JeffM2501`	`cap out at what XP3000?`
`20:44.33`	`DTRemenak`	`3200`
`20:44.37`	`DTRemenak`	`get a 64 though`
`20:44.41`	`DTRemenak`	`they are cool :)`
`20:44.46`	`JeffM2501`	`looking at 4200 dual core`
`20:44.49`	`DTRemenak`	`sweet`
`20:44.52`	`JeffM2501`	`4 gigs of ram`
`20:45.01`	`JeffM2501`	`2 GF FX 6800's in SLI`
`20:45.10`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`20:45.18`	`JeffM2501`	`and 3 displays`
`20:45.20`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501 obviously plays games other than bzflag :)`
`20:45.24`	`JeffM2501`	`1 dell 24" and 2 19's`
`20:45.46`	`Aribeth`	`sweet`
`20:45.47`	`JeffM2501`	`tho looks like only the 24 would run in SLI mode`
`20:45.53`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah`
`20:46.08`	`JeffM2501`	`right now I don't play much that would use SLI`
`20:46.09`	`DTRemenak`	`tho you only get one gl display in windows anyway iirc`
`20:46.11`	`ToughShooter`	`SLI?`
`20:46.20`	`JeffM2501`	`mostly I want 2 cards on a fast buss`
`20:46.27`	`JeffM2501`	`I can't deal with old PCI now`
`20:46.29`	`DTRemenak`	`ToughShooter: video card serialization`
`20:46.37`	`DTRemenak`	`parallelization rather`
`20:46.42`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, depends on how I Set the driver`
`20:46.46`	`DTRemenak`	`two GPUs working on one display`
`20:47.07`	`JeffM2501`	`basicly I want 3 displays`
`20:47.11`	`JeffM2501`	`and I want them all fast`
`20:47.21`	`JeffM2501`	`PCI33 can be slow even for 2d`
`20:47.33`	`DTRemenak`	`used to stand for "scan-line interleave" when 3dfx did it. not sure what nvidia claims it stands for now, but it sure as heck ain't scan-line interleave :)`
`20:48.11`	`JeffM2501`	`Scaleable Link interface`
`20:48.12`	`JeffM2501`	`or something`
`20:48.16`	`DTRemenak`	`PCI can handle 2d fine with a really good 2d chip. unfortunately nobody makes really good 2d chips anymore :)`
`20:48.31`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o jolie] by JeffM2501`
`20:48.33`	`ToughShooter`	`DTRemenak: Is SLI efficient? I know from dual processor macs that they don't utilize all CPU power..`
`20:48.35`	`DTRemenak`	`err, I guess the G450 is still in production`
`20:48.36`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Tupone] by JeffM2501`
`20:48.37`	`jolie`	`^_^`
`20:48.39`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Nidhoggr] by JeffM2501`
`20:48.46`	`JeffM2501`	`G450?`
`20:48.48`	`DTRemenak`	`ToughShooter: yeah, it splits the geometry between the cards`
`20:48.50`	`DTRemenak`	`Matrox`
`20:49.07`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, depends on how you set it`
`20:49.19`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: I thought nvidia only had one mode?`
`20:49.19`	`JeffM2501`	`1 mode has each card draw alternate frames`
`20:49.23`	`JeffM2501`	`2`
`20:49.25`	`DTRemenak`	`ah`
`20:49.28`	`JeffM2501`	`ATI crossfire has 2`
`20:49.30`	`JeffM2501`	`has 1`
`20:49.54`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o _Manu_] by Tupone`
`20:49.59`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-o Tupone] by Tupone`
`20:50.07`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Nidhoggr] by JeffM2501`
`20:50.15`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Nidhoggr] by JeffM2501`
`20:50.21`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Tupone] by JeffM2501`
`20:50.29`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o brlcad] by JeffM2501`
`20:50.43`	`DTRemenak`	`no, crossfire has 3 modes`
`20:50.50`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`20:50.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I didn't research crossfire much`
`20:50.56`	`DTRemenak`	`http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2432&p=5`
`20:51.00`	`JeffM2501`	`I will not buy a ATI chipset`
`20:51.18`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, no kidding`
`20:51.36`	`JeffM2501`	`awww`
`20:51.41`	`JeffM2501`	`he's no fun`
`20:51.53`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-o _Manu_] by JeffM2501`
`20:51.58`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-o _Manu_] by JeffM2501`
`20:52.05`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-o brlcad] by JeffM2501`
`20:52.10`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-o CIA-1] by JeffM2501`
`20:52.16`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-o Nidhoggr] by JeffM2501`
`20:52.23`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-o TheLastSpartan] by JeffM2501`
`20:53.19`	`JeffM2501`	`like I say, SLI isn't my main concern, it's the number of displays`
`20:53.36`	`DTRemenak`	`what is the other SLI mode?`
`20:53.44`	`DTRemenak`	`I can't find it anywhere`
`20:53.55`	`*** join/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (~Blue_Eyes@host50-100.pool80116.interbusiness.it)`
`20:53.58`	`JeffM2501`	`alternate frames, or spliting the screne into workloads`
`20:54.05`	`JeffM2501`	`aka spliting up the geo`
`20:54.08`	`DTRemenak`	`ah, ok`
`20:54.18`	`JeffM2501`	`well mostly the shaders I think`
`20:54.22`	`Aribeth`	`star wars just tried his pitch on secretplace`
`20:54.26`	`DTRemenak`	`haha`
`20:54.36`	`JeffM2501`	`what is this guy doing?`
`20:54.50`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: trying out his social engineering abilities`
`20:54.58`	`JeffM2501`	`?`
`20:55.01`	`Aribeth`	`warf told me he said "are you owner"`
`20:55.06`	`DTRemenak`	`for the last couple weeks he's been running around trying to get admin on various servers`
`20:55.17`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`20:55.35`	`DTRemenak`	`offering to trade passwords, asking for admin, impersonating people and asking for the passwords, smooth-talking, etc`
`20:55.50`	`DTRemenak`	`it's actually really amusing`
`20:55.58`	`DTRemenak`	`he's got a bunch of standard lines`
`20:55.59`	`JeffM2501`	`I see`
`20:56.07`	`JeffM2501`	`gonna masterban?`
`20:56.11`	`Aribeth`	`he is smooth`
`20:56.40`	`DTRemenak`	`maybe should masterban, dunno. he's not very good at it, but he tries hard :)`
`20:57.21`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: does bzbb have an ip-lookup function? e.g. if I have an IP can I see what users have posted from it?`
`20:57.26`	`Aribeth`	`i almost thought he was louman til i saw the space in his name`
`20:57.29`	`DTRemenak`	`or just the other way around?`
`20:57.42`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, you can do an IP lookup on a post`
`20:57.49`	`JeffM2501`	`and see what otther users have posted from that IP`
`20:57.55`	`JeffM2501`	`and what other IPs that user has posted from`
`20:57.59`	`JeffM2501`	`bt it's trigerd by a post`
`20:58.08`	`DTRemenak`	`ok, nuts`
`21:01.43`	`*** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@host-84-222-139-232.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)`
`21:01.43`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ`
`21:01.54`	`_Manu_`	`DTRemenak, well it seems like he is caughting passwords: Player star wars [5]: i want to help you and i love this serevr you can trust me i am admin on 4 serevrs`
`21:02.00`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-v Tupone] by JeffM2501`
`21:02.04`	`DTRemenak`	`or else he's lying`
`21:02.32`	`_Manu_`	`I'm not sure.. heh he can lie some noobs admins`
`21:02.40`	`DTRemenak`	`true :)`
`21:02.57`	`DTRemenak`	`next time someone should ask which servers :)`
`21:03.22`	`_Manu_`	`I'm reading the logs.. just for fun! :) incredible`
`21:03.29`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah it is isn't it`
`21:03.54`	`DTRemenak`	`I still think we ought to put together a compilation of his "best work"`
`21:03.57`	`Aribeth`	`here is some more from him`
`21:04.00`	`Aribeth`	`dumbalore likes me cedric likes me shadow likes me tread baron likes me alot of people no me and like me tough shooter`
`21:04.10`	`_Manu_`	`heh :)`
`21:04.11`	`DTRemenak`	`haha`
`21:04.32`	`DTRemenak`	`hey, anyone know any mozilla extensions to do a regex search of a web page?`
`21:04.39`	`Aribeth`	`i will give yu a pass if you let me be cop`
`21:05.25`	`Aribeth`	`he did manage to do one thing. he got us reading our logs`
`21:05.51`	`DTRemenak`	`true :)`
`21:06.07`	`_Manu_`	`:)`
`21:06.21`	`_Manu_`	`but no problem, it's so fun :)`
`21:06.46`	`Aribeth`	`better than a beral of monkeys`
`21:07.13`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, he says "tread baron likes me" huh...`
`21:07.39`	`DTRemenak`	`tread plays exclusively on my servers afaik`
`21:07.41`	`DTRemenak`	`egrep "[Ss]tar [Ww]ars" servout-biya \| egrep "[Tt]read"`
`21:07.48`	`DTRemenak`	`Player star wars [6]: hello tread`
`21:07.56`	`DTRemenak`	`Player star wars [6]: i wont tread said i could have it when he comes back`
`21:07.59`	`DTRemenak`	`that's it`
`21:08.09`	`DTRemenak`	`Tread has never said anything to him :)`
`21:08.20`	`DTRemenak`	`and he only said one line to tread`
`21:08.33`	`DTRemenak`	`and lied about tread saying he'd give him admin :)`
`21:08.51`	`jpa-`	`erm`
`21:09.00`	`jpa-`	`does it show privmsg destinations?`
`21:09.03`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`21:09.10`	`jpa-`	`mine doesn't`
`21:09.10`	`Aribeth`	`then he says "darth vader and sonic and this is bull s......t"`
`21:09.13`	`DTRemenak`	`err, maybe not destinations`
`21:09.14`	`Pimpi`	`btw, who is star wars?`
`21:09.25`	`jpa-`	`but if that is all star wars has ever said..`
`21:09.26`	`Pimpi`	`should i know him?`
`21:09.31`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, "this is bull s.....t" is from HIS OWN ip`
`21:09.41`	`Aribeth`	`yup`
`21:09.42`	`DTRemenak`	`Pimpi: grep your logs, fun stuff from him`
`21:10.03`	`DTRemenak`	`he tries to get admin all over the place, impersonates people, sucks up, tries to guess passwords`
`21:10.12`	`Aribeth`	`hummm...sould he be in the topic?`
`21:10.16`	`Pimpi`	`yeah, he asked me for privs, though i didn't see him mode but 2-3 times before`
`21:10.29`	`DTRemenak`	`look for nicks from his IP`
`21:10.49`	`Aribeth`	`he impersonates other players like louman`
`21:10.55`	`_Manu_`	`Pimpi, he just got banned at vipers`
`21:10.57`	`DTRemenak`	`I get him trying to impersonate at least three different respected players`
`21:11.22`	`_Manu_`	`Pimpi, he tried to hack my password.. o_O`
`21:11.40`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, he does repeated /identifies to guess passwords`
`21:11.48`	`_Manu_`	`well... really server's password`
`21:12.15`	`DTRemenak`	`he didn't try for /password in any of my logs but apparently he has on other servers`
`21:13.23`	`DTRemenak`	`I'd say he spends at least a half-hour every day on biya's server doing his thing. for the last couple weeks`
`21:13.42`	`_Manu_`	`he asked almost everybody for it`
`21:13.51`	`_Manu_`	`incredible`
`21:14.21`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, he's asked six of my admins`
`21:14.25`	`Aribeth`	`DTR, he also came in as MY TANK OF STEEL, A HILLBILLY, SWEET TOOTH, and ANTHRAX`
`21:14.37`	`_Manu_`	`but not only admins.. also non registered players..`
`21:15.07`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, "sweet tooth" was his u/n for a long time before. first entry in my log is near the beginning of my 2.0.1 logs`
`21:15.23`	`DTRemenak`	`but it doesn't look like anything overtly agressive in there`
`21:16.22`	`Aribeth`	`he even came in as Thumper`
`21:16.43`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`21:17.38`	`DTRemenak`	`so...opinions on a masterbannage?`
`21:18.16`	`menotume`	`can't masterban - he has too many dialup accounts`
`21:18.27`	`DTRemenak`	`menotume: this person is != yugi`
`21:18.32`	`DTRemenak`	`I'm sure of it`
`21:18.38`	`menotume`	`hmm`
`21:18.39`	`DTRemenak`	`same range, but always from one IP`
`21:18.49`	`DTRemenak`	`no other impersonations anywhere in the range`
`21:19.16`	`_Manu_`	`he allways uses the same ip..`
`21:21.51`	`jpa-`	`69.119.240.73?`
`21:23.20`	`_Manu_`	`yep`
`21:24.06`	`Aribeth`	`aok`
`21:24.10`	`jpa-`	`hasn't asked on my server :/`
`21:24.33`	`_Manu_`	`heh... :)`
`21:24.39`	`Aribeth`	`he will`
`21:25.02`	`jpa-`	`not if JeffM2501 uses his Blessed +3 wand of master banning`
`21:25.13`	`DTRemenak`	`can anyone confirm that that address was used by Yugi with a primary source (e.g. reading the log)?`
`21:25.31`	`Aribeth`	`true`
`21:25.37`	`_Manu_`	`iirc there is more than one "yugi"`
`21:25.37`	`jpa-`	`that exact address hasn't been used by yugi`
`21:25.47`	`jpa-`	`only star wars`
`21:25.48`	`DTRemenak`	`I'm currently floating a theory that this idiot tried to impersonate Yugi, and that's why that address is on "the list" :)`
`21:26.00`	`menotume`	`right - i've seen that one from 'saturn' only`
`21:26.09`	`_Manu_`	`Saturn also tried Yugi, but he isn's`
`21:26.38`	`DTRemenak`	`not that it really matters, I suppose`
`21:26.43`	`jpa-`	`and star wars has completely different isp to, it is not yugi`
`21:26.46`	`_Manu_`	`and as Yugi is so popular because cartoons... many players used it`
`21:26.51`	`menotume`	`the 'saturn' that i've seen, has asked me for passwords, and asked how to change his IP, among being a PITA`
`21:27.12`	`menotume`	`i have 3 diff ips that i wrote down when he did that`
`21:27.15`	`_Manu_`	`the Saturn i know is from Germany`
`21:27.19`	`menotume`	`yes`
`21:27.35`	`_Manu_`	`and Yugi is from USA`
`21:27.44`	`menotume`	`ahh`
`21:27.59`	`DTRemenak`	`star wars does not type like either yugi or saturn does either. might be intentional but it's really good if it is. different typical mistakes.`
`21:28.06`	`menotume`	`69.119... is germany`
`21:28.11`	`_Manu_`	`he got in troubles with cosmos because using nazi words..`
`21:28.12`	`menotume`	`so are the other 2 ranges i have`
`21:28.25`	`menotume`	`ooops, no`
`21:28.38`	`DTRemenak`	`one of them is HMC, I think`
`21:30.18`	`menotume`	`heh, 69.119 is NY`
`21:30.30`	`menotume`	`well, they say the same things`
`21:30.41`	`DTRemenak`	`ah well. does anybody at all have opinions on masterbanning 69.119.240.73?`
`21:30.45`	`Aribeth`	`ya, he said he was from New York once`
`21:30.45`	`menotume`	`good one to impersonate :)`
`21:30.48`	`DTRemenak`	`menotume is in favor`
`21:30.50`	`jpa-`	`DTRemenak: do it`
`21:31.09`	`DTRemenak`	`alrighty then, on the list he goes`
`21:31.13`	`menotume`	`and waves them at JeffM2501`
`21:31.36`	`menotume`	`lol`
`21:31.42`	`Aribeth`	`lol`
`21:34.09`	`*** part/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net)`
`21:34.24`	`*** join/#bzflag Rusure (~1815d19e@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`21:35.07`	`*** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-128-153.arcor-ip.net)`
`21:36.13`	`DTRemenak`	`anyone have any special desire to be listed as "banner" for him? :)`
`21:36.29`	`menotume`	`me`
`21:36.36`	`menotume`	`:)`
`21:36.42`	`DTRemenak`	`SOLD to menotume :)`
`21:36.44`	`jpa-`	`just put us all :)`
`21:36.47`	`menotume`	`lol`
`21:36.48`	`jpa-`	`i want too!`
`21:36.58`	`menotume`	`just put 'everyone' :)`
`21:37.00`	`jpa-`	`"By menotume and jpa"`
`21:37.02`	`Aribeth`	`me too`
`21:37.06`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`21:37.17`	`DTRemenak`	`"the general population of #bzflag" :)`
`21:39.25`	`CIA-1`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10admin/master-bans.txt: star wars gets "the ban" on multiple counts of impersonation, social engineering, and brute-force password guessing`
`21:40.09`	`Aribeth`	`~DTRemenak++`
`21:40.15`	`ruskie`	`what did star wars do...`
`21:40.24`	`ruskie`	`onyl thing was that he was annoying to me...`
`21:40.33`	`DTRemenak`	`ruskie: got your server logs handy?`
`21:40.35`	`menotume`	`~DTRemenak*=5`
`21:40.40`	`DTRemenak`	`they can be pretty amusing`
`21:40.45`	`DTRemenak`	`or just read the backlog here`
`21:41.11`	`DTRemenak`	`grep for his ip address, he tries to impersonate lots of folks`
`21:41.13`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, have have a master account to?`
`21:41.26`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: unregistered`
`21:41.39`	`JeffM2501`	`well tha'ts at least something goo`
`21:41.41`	`DTRemenak`	`near as I can tell anyway`
`21:41.41`	`JeffM2501`	`good`
`21:42.24`	`DTRemenak`	`hah, actually his IP is already on the bzbb banlist`
`21:42.32`	`ruskie`	`DTRemenak, I was on viper at the time`
`21:42.39`	`ruskie`	`he was behaing like a total noob`
`21:42.45`	`ruskie`	`didn't even know how to reg`
`21:43.08`	`DTRemenak`	`would be pretty hard for him to reg since his IP is banned at bzbb already... ;)`
`21:43.35`	`menotume`	`ruskie: yes, that is hid mode of operation. i thought he was a troll at first`
`21:44.44`	`*** join/#bzflag jomojo (~jomojo@c-24-17-68-130.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`21:46.07`	`ruskie`	`hmmm should check if he visited my server...`
`21:46.59`	`ruskie`	`hmmm he was there... but nobody was around...`
`21:47.01`	`ruskie`	`lol`
`21:47.13`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, same at my :7000 and :6002 servers`
`21:47.28`	`DTRemenak`	`he drops in, if no admins are there he leaves, or tries to guess the password`
`21:47.41`	`DTRemenak`	`if someone is there he'll try to get them to give him the password`
`21:47.44`	`DTRemenak`	`or admin privs`
`21:47.52`	`DTRemenak`	`he's very systematic`
`21:47.59`	`ruskie`	`whoaaa he tried diff names as well`
`21:48.02`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`21:48.07`	`DTRemenak`	`including registered ones probably`
`21:48.25`	`ruskie`	`yjtyhm7ytkmf and Lou man`
`21:48.33`	`DTRemenak`	`did he try to /identify as Lou man?`
`21:48.50`	`ruskie`	`nope`
`21:48.55`	`ruskie`	`joined and left`
`21:49.00`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`21:49.01`	`ruskie`	`was on for less than 10 s`
`21:49.12`	`DTRemenak`	`you have kick unregistered users on? :)`
`21:49.19`	`ruskie`	`nope`
`21:49.21`	`ruskie`	`HouseWarfare.log:Player yjtyhm7ytkmf [4]: hey besr person can i get password to server`
`21:49.31`	`ruskie`	`he did try though :)`
`21:49.32`	`DTRemenak`	`yup, that's him alright`
`21:49.38`	`DTRemenak`	`convinced yet? :)`
`21:49.50`	`jpa-`	`argh am i the only one who hasn't got any bad actions?`
`21:49.59`	`jpa-`	`oh yes i do :E`
`21:50.03`	`jpa-`	`log-river-19-06-05-14-44:Player Lou Man [0] has joined from 69.119.240.73 at 2005-06-19 15:21:01 with token ""`
`21:50.10`	`DTRemenak`	`heh :)`
`21:50.11`	`ruskie`	`just grep for the ip`
`21:50.13`	`ruskie`	`:)`
`21:50.37`	`DTRemenak`	`probably would have gone totally unnoticed if Aribeth hadn't brought it up`
`21:50.44`	`Aribeth`	`savwafair is everywhere`
`21:51.21`	`Aribeth`	`i knew something was up when he came in as Lou Man`
`21:51.45`	`DTRemenak`	`yup. that was his big mistake actually...asking for passwords is not a masterbannable offense`
`21:51.54`	`DTRemenak`	`impersonating people is`
`21:52.02`	`DTRemenak`	`and it got him noticed`
`21:52.17`	`ruskie`	`hmmm I'm amazed my server acctually got a few visits...`
`21:52.57`	`Aribeth`	`a big mistake on his part`
`21:53.07`	`*** join/#bzflag iain_mac (~iain_mac@81-178-67-244.dsl.pipex.com)`
`21:53.23`	`jpa-`	`oh no.. will i get banned because i have claimed to be jpa :o`
`21:53.45`	`DTRemenak`	`jpa-: but...you _are_ jpa :)`
`21:54.52`	`jpa-`	`does it make a difference?`
`21:55.07`	`ruskie`	`there we go reset the tally for the rotation and uped 3 maps to 1 hour instead of 30 min...`
`21:55.22`	`DTRemenak`	`20 mins on a map is not a lot`
`21:55.34`	`DTRemenak`	`usually if I play I do for a couple hours at a time on one server :)`
`21:55.48`	`DTRemenak`	`~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org`
`21:56.19`	`ruskie`	`DTRemenak, well I have a rotation of a few maps and a voting system for the maps :) so players can vote which map they like and which they dislike...`
`21:56.36`	`ruskie`	`2 weeks in a row for a dislike means it's dropped from rotation...`
`21:56.50`	`jpa-`	`i'd still say that player counts vote for themselves..`
`21:57.09`	`DTRemenak`	`jpa-: if you have a fast rotation, yeah, I'd agree`
`21:57.26`	`DTRemenak`	`if you use 6-hour rotations some will have lower player counts just because of where they fall`
`21:57.28`	`ruskie`	`any map that get's 2+ good votes and no bad ones(as in good bad even out to 2+ good) then it get's a half hour increase`
`21:57.54`	`ruskie`	`well it's easy as doing a /map good\|bad\|average`
`21:57.56`	`DTRemenak`	`jpa-: or you could do what I do and just run them all :)`
`21:58.03`	`ruskie`	`and the tally is proccesed through a simple script :)`
`21:58.31`	`ruskie`	`should really finish making my own labyrinth map...`
`21:58.40`	`jpa-`	`i have 2 hours rotation, even time for every map`
`21:58.55`	`ruskie`	`still wondering if I should add a radar or not to it though...`
`21:59.41`	`DTRemenak`	`jpa-: I'm betting your player counts will not be a good indicator then...if it shows up at night for instance...`
`22:00.53`	`ruskie`	`there any log analyzers or something along those lines available yet for bzflag logs?`
`22:00.59`	`jpa-`	`yup, but i don't really care`
`22:01.34`	`DTRemenak`	`ruskie: not really. simple shell scripts do the job pretty well`
`22:01.55`	`DTRemenak`	`should probably write something more detailed`
`22:02.39`	`jpa-`	`bzfquery.py is nice too`
`22:04.58`	`DTRemenak`	`I prefer mrtg-bzflag.pl :)`
`22:08.39`	`jpa-`	`~slap DTRemenak`
`22:08.40`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps DTRemenak, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!`
`22:08.53`	`DTRemenak`	`hey, I was just counting its memory`
`22:09.19`	`jpa-`	`you get some kicks of touching sdram?`
`22:09.52`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, I wish it was sdram :)`
`22:09.59`	`DTRemenak`	`all edo here`
`22:10.44`	`DTRemenak`	`and I'm not even sure the 16s are edo, they might be fp`
`22:12.03`	`jpa-`	`you're so cute and nice`
`22:12.45`	`jpa-`	`:/`
`22:13.03`	`jpa-`	`the one time i thank you for something you just dislike me :/`
`22:14.42`	`DTRemenak`	`thanking me is cool. saying I'm cute is a little...odd.`
`22:15.02`	`DTRemenak`	`and I don't dislike you, I just didn't want to be so close to you`
`22:15.12`	`jpa-`	`:/`
`22:16.01`	`Aribeth`	`star wars is on my server now`
`22:16.27`	`jpa-`	`address?`
`22:16.32`	`DTRemenak`	`oh`
`22:16.41`	`jpa-`	`ah`
`22:16.44`	`DTRemenak`	`1. I need to tell the web server to update`
`22:16.51`	`DTRemenak`	`2. you'll need to do a masterban reload`
`22:16.55`	`jpa-`	`masterban doesn't update without server restart?`
`22:17.06`	`DTRemenak`	`restart or masterban reload`
`22:17.14`	`jpa-`	`yup`
`22:17.23`	`Aribeth`	`ya, i just want to have fun with him first`
`22:17.27`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`22:17.41`	`DTRemenak`	`what server, I'll join :)`
`22:17.41`	`jpa-`	`evil`
`22:17.46`	`jpa-`	`me too :)`
`22:18.14`	`Aribeth`	`if i stay and show you i am nice can i be your last admin`
`22:18.30`	`Aribeth`	`sleepycows 5154`
`22:19.30`	`Aribeth`	`bzflag.sleepycows.us:5154`
`22:24.02`	`jpa-`	`:/`
`22:25.51`	`Aribeth`	`sry jpa. i had trouble holding him there`
`22:26.05`	`jpa-`	`well yes`
`22:26.19`	`jpa-`	`he wanted to go to mine but it had reset and he was banned x)`
`22:26.26`	`jpa-`	`i think`
`22:26.41`	`DTRemenak`	`no, probably not`
`22:26.43`	`Aribeth`	`i need to reset my server`
`22:26.51`	`jpa-`	`Aribeth: reload will be enough`
`22:26.53`	`Aribeth`	`i did a local ban for now`
`22:27.01`	`jpa-`	`reload masterbanlist i mean`
`22:27.02`	`DTRemenak`	`http://bzflag.org/master-bans.txt not there yet`
`22:27.09`	`jpa-`	`ah`
`22:27.13`	`jpa-`	`well then he sucks`
`22:27.13`	`DTRemenak`	`cvs from shell is busted`
`22:28.12`	`jpa-`	`gnight`
`22:28.20`	`Aribeth`	`nite`
`22:32.35`	`*** join/#bzflag Naruto_ (cc@h118n2fls307o1101.telia.com)`
`22:45.24`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: made some good progress last night. we have the most important feature now (an FHz counter)`
`22:46.49`	`Aribeth`	`star wars on 5159`
`22:46.54`	`Aribeth`	`sleepycows`
`22:49.31`	`Aribeth`	`anyone interested ?`
`22:49.45`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`22:49.49`	`DTRemenak`	`didn't get the hint, huh?`
`22:49.54`	`Aribeth`	`nope`
`22:50.04`	`Aribeth`	`port 5159`
`22:55.56`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, cool, I'll look at it when I feed`
`23:11.40`	`purple_cow`	`whoa`
`23:11.55`	`purple_cow`	`bzbb had an email address for me that i haven't used for >3 years`
`23:17.29`	`*** join/#bzflag shorty114 (~shorty114@shorty114.user)`
`23:18.38`	`*** join/#bzflag shorty114 (~shorty114@shorty114.user)`
`23:27.07`	`Aribeth`	`hi Shorty114`
`23:27.53`	`shorty114`	`hey Aribeth`
`23:37.03`	`*** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com)`
`23:38.41`	`*** join/#bzflag triclops (~triclops@c211-31-49-112.rivrw7.nsw.optusnet.com.au)`
`23:42.16`	`*** join/#bzflag BenUrban (~benurban@151.200.43.150)`
`23:43.14`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`23:43.16`	`BenUrban`	`lucky me`
`23:43.18`	`BenUrban`	`there's a hotspot here`
`23:43.20`	`BenUrban`	`i wonder how laggy it is....`
`23:43.56`	`*** join/#bzflag BinarySpike (~BinarySpi@206.113.16.57)`
`23:44.02`	`shorty114`	`not very laggy...`
`23:44.06`	`shorty114`	`0.74 seconds`
`23:44.16`	`BenUrban`	`sweet`
`23:44.23`	`BenUrban`	`and thanks ;)`
`23:44.27`	`shorty114`	`np`
`23:44.32`	`shorty114`	`/ping is the magic command`
`23:44.33`	`shorty114`	`fy`
`23:44.33`	`shorty114`	`i`
`23:44.50`	`BenUrban`	`meh, i wouldn't have bothered`
`23:45.14`	`BinarySpike`	`Does anybody know how to use Windows XP command line to "cd" into the bzflag folder?`
`23:45.37`	`Aribeth`	`cd /directory`
`23:45.40`	`BenUrban`	`BinarySpike: cd "\Program Files\Bzflag" <-- something like that?`
`23:45.53`	`BenUrban`	`i dunno exactly wwhere it puts it`
`23:45.53`	`BinarySpike`	`Do I need the '\' before it?`
`23:46.00`	`BenUrban`	`or whether it includes the version nmber`
`23:46.02`	`Aribeth`	`prolly`
`23:46.10`	`BenUrban`	`the \ tells it to start at the root`
`23:46.24`	`BenUrban`	`Aribeth: / doesn't work in the windoze shell`
`23:46.38`	`BinarySpike`	`I know`
`23:46.39`	`Aribeth`	`ya. old unix habbit`
`23:47.01`	`Aribeth`	`i dont do windows`
`23:47.17`	`BenUrban`	`"accounting"...`
`23:47.22`	`BenUrban`	`^^^ workgroup`
`23:47.31`	`BenUrban`	`"MYERSCPA"...`
`23:47.54`	`BenUrban`	`meh`
`23:48.00`	`BenUrban`	`password protected file sharing`
`23:48.10`	`BinarySpike`	`Ok, I type this`
`23:48.13`	`BinarySpike`	`cd ..`
`23:48.23`	`BinarySpike`	`cd "\program files"`
`23:48.39`	`BinarySpike`	`and I get "incorrect format"`
`23:48.55`	`BinarySpike`	`Yes, it didn't start in C:\`
`23:49.10`	`BinarySpike`	`It started in C:\doc-6 or something`
`23:49.14`	`BenUrban`	`you said xp, right?`
`23:49.17`	`BinarySpike`	`yeah`
`23:49.19`	`BenUrban`	`doesn't matter`
`23:49.24`	`BenUrban`	`with the preceding \`
`23:49.28`	`BenUrban`	`try this...`
`23:49.34`	`BenUrban`	`cd \Progr<tab>`
`23:49.42`	`BinarySpike`	`Progr?`
`23:49.47`	`BenUrban`	`where it says <tab> hit the tab key`
`23:49.55`	`BenUrban`	`it should fill in the rest of that dir name`
`23:50.02`	`BenUrban`	`and put quotes around it`
`23:50.24`	`brad2901`	`Why don't you just make it simple and type: cd c:\program files\bzflag2.0.2 ? :)`
`23:50.40`	`BenUrban`	`because he doesn't follow directions`
`23:50.46`	`brad2901`	`:(`
`23:50.47`	`BinarySpike`	`because that didn't work`
`23:50.48`	`BenUrban`	`and i didn't know the exact dir name`
`23:50.57`	`brad2901`	`What bzflag version are you using?`
`23:51.00`	`BenUrban`	`oh sorry did i say that out loud?`
`23:51.05`	`BenUrban`	`;)`
`23:51.07`	`BinarySpike`	`2.0.2`
`23:51.09`	`BinarySpike`	`I think`
`23:51.22`	`brad2901`	`Is it in program files?`
`23:51.34`	`brad2901`	`And is the folder name "BZFlag2.0.2" ?`
`23:51.48`	`BinarySpike`	`c:\Program Files\bzflag files\bzflag2.0.2\`
`23:51.55`	`BenUrban`	`ah, that's why`
`23:51.58`	`BenUrban`	`so...`
`23:52.05`	`brad2901`	`cd c:\Program Files\bzflag files\bzflag2.0.2\`
`23:52.06`	`brad2901`	`:)`
`23:52.07`	`BenUrban`	`cd "c:\Program Files\bzflag files\bzflag2.0.2\"`
`23:52.13`	`BenUrban`	`brad2901: quotes are required`
`23:52.19`	`brad2901`	`You don't need quotes...`
`23:52.23`	`brad2901`	`Just tried.. ;)`
`23:52.27`	`BenUrban`	`last i checked you do`
`23:52.29`	`BinarySpike`	`but that doesn't work...`
`23:52.37`	`BenUrban`	`BinarySpike: what does it say?`
`23:52.52`	`BinarySpike`	`Just a sec...`
`23:53.02`	`BinarySpike`	`Does "ls" list files and folders?`
`23:53.06`	`BenUrban`	`dir does`
`23:53.18`	`BinarySpike`	`so instead of ls I use dir?`
`23:53.26`	`BenUrban`	`ls gives the nt equiv of "bad command or file name"`
`23:53.27`	`BenUrban`	`yeah`
`23:58.26`	`shorty114`	`ls -> dir`
`23:58.31`	`BinarySpike`	`Ok`
`23:58.44`	`shorty114`	`microsoft just has to do things different ;)`
`23:58.49`	`BinarySpike`	`Yeah`
`23:58.52`	`BinarySpike`	`Mac uses ls`
`23:59.04`	`BinarySpike`	`I'm IMing with a friend to get cd to work.`
`23:59.29`	`*** part/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (~Blue_Eyes@host50-100.pool80116.interbusiness.it)`

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