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| 00:57.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (4 files): |
| 00:57.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add shot flash effect ( little smoke rings ). |
| 00:57.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: high and exp. quality only |
| 00:57.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: disableable via config. |
| 00:58.22 | wegstar | :) |
| 00:58.42 | JeffM2501 | it ended up looking rather cool |
| 01:05.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/bzflag.vcproj: effectsRenderer.cxx|h |
| 01:07.18 | DTRemenak | whoa, sweet spawn effect |
| 01:07.29 | JeffM2501 | I didn't turn in the prj? |
| 01:07.32 | DTRemenak | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 01:07.33 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 01:07.37 | JeffM2501 | well damn |
| 01:07.39 | JeffM2501 | sorry bout that |
| 01:07.48 | DTRemenak | no problemo |
| 01:07.49 | JeffM2501 | you see the shot ones? |
| 01:07.56 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 01:08.01 | JeffM2501 | I am not sure about them |
| 01:08.10 | DTRemenak | they don't look quite right with vertical velocity on |
| 01:08.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:08.21 | JeffM2501 | well they are allways on the muzzle |
| 01:08.29 | JeffM2501 | but they stay in 3space |
| 01:08.32 | JeffM2501 | when the tank moves |
| 01:08.40 | JeffM2501 | tho on high shot servers |
| 01:08.46 | DTRemenak | maybe they should keep vertical velocity just like the shots do |
| 01:08.49 | JeffM2501 | it tends to blind you if you shoot lots of shots :) |
| 01:08.52 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 01:08.59 | JeffM2501 | so I think that's a good thing |
| 01:09.24 | DTRemenak | the spawn effect is very cool though |
| 01:09.29 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 01:09.40 | JeffM2501 | it's all the same texture and geometry :) |
| 01:09.44 | JeffM2501 | just variations |
| 01:09.45 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:10.03 | DTRemenak | that makes it more cool if anything ;) |
| 01:10.04 | JeffM2501 | one bit of code that can draw a ring with some options |
| 01:10.33 | JeffM2501 | I may try it where the shot effects are thiner but expand faster |
| 01:10.40 | JeffM2501 | they clip to the ground too |
| 01:10.50 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 01:10.55 | JeffM2501 | so it becomes like a "D" when it hits Z0 |
| 01:11.00 | DTRemenak | mm, that reminds me of something I've been meaning to do |
| 01:11.25 | JeffM2501 | thinking about puting in a rico effect too |
| 01:11.30 | JeffM2501 | expanding ring thing maybe |
| 01:11.41 | JeffM2501 | shoudl also port explosions over to the effects system |
| 01:11.47 | JeffM2501 | no reason they need to be part of the tank |
| 01:11.52 | DTRemenak | rico effect would be awesome |
| 01:12.00 | DTRemenak | shot explosions too ;) |
| 01:12.16 | JeffM2501 | thought about doing a big arrow over your base when your flag is capped too |
| 01:12.22 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:12.22 | JeffM2501 | that woudl fade |
| 01:12.38 | DTRemenak | better yet, draw a big arrow over the flag's position whenever someone picks it up :) |
| 01:12.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:12.50 | JeffM2501 | that's what I meant by "cap" |
| 01:13.03 | DTRemenak | to me, cap means the actual capture event :) |
| 01:13.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah I know |
| 01:13.12 | JeffM2501 | my bad term |
| 01:13.29 | JeffM2501 | hmmm it could be cool to change the GM smoke to those expanding rings :) |
| 01:13.37 | JeffM2501 | then it'd be like a matrix shot :) |
| 01:13.38 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 01:13.47 | JeffM2501 | giv em a bit more lifetime |
| 01:13.59 | JeffM2501 | I think I want to redo the SW too |
| 01:14.31 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 01:14.45 | DTRemenak | I think SW needs a advance praxis wave :) |
| 01:14.49 | JeffM2501 | give it a texture |
| 01:15.03 | JeffM2501 | maybe make it couple spheres that rotate around inside themselves |
| 01:15.10 | JeffM2501 | and ring effect |
| 01:15.32 | JeffM2501 | like something non leathal that goes along the ground at the max rad |
| 01:16.01 | DTRemenak | could be cool to have multiple options for the shockwave and gm effects |
| 01:16.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:16.06 | DTRemenak | so you could toggle between them |
| 01:16.16 | JeffM2501 | if I move them all into this manager |
| 01:16.23 | JeffM2501 | it'd be REALY easy to swap between em |
| 01:16.27 | DTRemenak | more than cool, that would kick ass |
| 01:16.28 | JeffM2501 | each effect is just a derived class |
| 01:16.46 | JeffM2501 | manager dosn't really care what it is, as long as it knows how to draw itself |
| 01:16.54 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 01:16.54 | JeffM2501 | I'll work on that when I get home |
| 01:17.15 | JeffM2501 | trying to get good screenies to post :) |
| 01:17.22 | DTRemenak | totally |
| 01:21.01 | wegstar | :D |
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| 01:23.56 | BearPerson | right now, I wish I had non-anon CVS access... just so I can pull those changes in and see them ;-) |
| 01:24.09 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:24.19 | wegstar | hehe |
| 01:24.42 | wegstar | ~seen lan56 |
| 01:24.42 | ibot | lan56 <lan56@h-68-167-2-225.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 12d 19h 9m 36s ago, saying: 'what?'. |
| 01:25.25 | DTRemenak | BearPerson: revise that wish to "I wish sourceforge would keep the anoncvs servers in sync" ;) |
| 01:25.36 | BearPerson | hehe :) |
| 01:25.47 | DTRemenak | just as unlikely but it would be a way better solution |
| 01:28.02 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=38674#38674 |
| 01:28.48 | purple_cow | ugh |
| 01:28.52 | purple_cow | bzflag shadows need a lot of love :( |
| 01:28.59 | JeffM2501 | that they do |
| 01:28.59 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:29.04 | DTRemenak | ain't it the truth |
| 01:29.15 | JeffM2501 | stencel buffers for EVERYONE |
| 01:30.00 | Grumbler | like the poof |
| 01:30.08 | JeffM2501 | I should do one for when you land too |
| 01:30.12 | JeffM2501 | little smoke ring |
| 01:30.20 | JeffM2501 | did that in a p24 and it looked good |
| 01:30.39 | JeffM2501 | hmm and an effect when a shield blocks a shot would be good too |
| 01:30.59 | Grumbler | i am a little confused by the follow mode |
| 01:31.12 | DTRemenak | that would be awesome (shield effect) |
| 01:31.13 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 01:31.26 | JeffM2501 | and it needs a good "pttwang...." sound |
| 01:31.29 | Grumbler | is the follow mode is differetn? |
| 01:31.35 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 01:31.35 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:31.43 | JeffM2501 | I was just taking screenies in observer |
| 01:32.09 | Grumbler | is there something i should be looking for? |
| 01:32.12 | Grumbler | is those? |
| 01:32.32 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:32.40 | DTRemenak | look at the second one |
| 01:32.42 | JeffM2501 | tho really it should be a movie |
| 01:32.45 | DTRemenak | see the blue tank spawn |
| 01:32.47 | JeffM2501 | that shows the effect best |
| 01:32.52 | DTRemenak | see the poofies around the blue tank :) |
| 01:33.12 | DTRemenak | that really is a very cool effect |
| 01:33.16 | JeffM2501 | maybe I should make the rouge poof, yellow? |
| 01:33.21 | JeffM2501 | it's gray now |
| 01:33.24 | DTRemenak | yeah, probably |
| 01:33.25 | Grumbler | yes, i see that, and it is cool....what about the last two? |
| 01:33.35 | Grumbler | there is a funnky thing off to the right |
| 01:33.37 | JeffM2501 | see the rings |
| 01:33.37 | DTRemenak | shot poofs. not very good screenshots |
| 01:33.43 | Grumbler | ah |
| 01:33.45 | Grumbler | ok |
| 01:33.47 | DTRemenak | not a very good effect either for that matter ;) |
| 01:33.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah they exist for like 1.75 seconds |
| 01:33.52 | JeffM2501 | not easy to capture :) |
| 01:33.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah needs work |
| 01:34.05 | JeffM2501 | but tis easy to tweak |
| 01:34.07 | DTRemenak | potentially good :) |
| 01:34.22 | JeffM2501 | they look better when expanding |
| 01:34.26 | JeffM2501 | I think they are too thick |
| 01:34.28 | DTRemenak | you got the spawn effect spot-on though. combined with the tanks growing to spawn :) |
| 01:34.31 | Grumbler | ok, i will take your word for it |
| 01:34.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah it works well |
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| 01:35.01 | JeffM2501 | may need to change the spawn sound from pop to poof |
| 01:35.20 | Grumbler | or star trek teleporter |
| 01:35.33 | JeffM2501 | harder to effect the tank model |
| 01:35.40 | JeffM2501 | the grow it's doing now is nice |
| 01:35.53 | JeffM2501 | the poof just makes it look like it's blosming out of a flower |
| 01:35.57 | JeffM2501 | see it in motion |
| 01:36.01 | Grumbler | i was just saying the sound would go well |
| 01:36.09 | JeffM2501 | I think it's too long |
| 01:36.12 | JeffM2501 | fades in fades out |
| 01:36.16 | JeffM2501 | tanks pop in |
| 01:36.30 | JeffM2501 | now if the server started the sound a tad BEFORE the spawn |
| 01:36.32 | JeffM2501 | that could be cool :) |
| 01:36.36 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:36.42 | Grumbler | well, considering the weight of t he tank, shouldnt it be a huge ker-klunk |
| 01:36.48 | JeffM2501 | have to play with that with a plugin once I make server able to just fire off effects |
| 01:37.00 | JeffM2501 | bz tanks are made out of marshmellow |
| 01:37.33 | spldart | mmmMMmm a marshmellow |
| 01:37.44 | Grumbler | somehow my mind went from marhmellow to bubbles.....i pictured a series of bubbles converging into and shaping a tank |
| 01:37.45 | JeffM2501 | once the server can do effects you could do a plugin that did effects based on events, and even ran a tutorial |
| 01:37.48 | JeffM2501 | waypoints and the like |
| 01:38.16 | wegstar | nice... |
| 01:38.39 | JeffM2501 | capitan could do like a /set waypoint and then a big ass arrow would plop down in the world, only visable by the team |
| 01:38.57 | Grumbler | nice |
| 01:38.58 | JeffM2501 | well not /set |
| 01:39.07 | JeffM2501 | more like /poopArroe |
| 01:39.28 | Grumbler | more like /getyourass here |
| 01:39.46 | JeffM2501 | heh /getoverhere |
| 01:40.12 | JeffM2501 | the shot effects do look cool when somone has cloack |
| 01:40.19 | JeffM2501 | cus you still see them where there barrel is :) |
| 01:42.12 | JeffM2501 | food time |
| 01:42.59 | wegstar | ... |
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| 02:12.12 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 02:12.20 | DTRemenak | CIA is slow |
| 02:12.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (LocalPlayer.cxx bzflag.cxx playing.cxx): use proper settable bzdb vars for the effects system |
| 02:12.46 | JeffM2501 | for the "no" part? or for all the little variables? |
| 02:13.07 | DTRemenak | all the togglable options |
| 02:13.19 | DTRemenak | stuck them in bzflag.cxx and gave them positive names |
| 02:13.26 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 02:13.36 | DTRemenak | as strings so you can hook in multiple possible effects |
| 02:13.47 | DTRemenak | none/default/myeffect/etc |
| 02:14.16 | DTRemenak | if you give me an enumeration function I'll hook in the menu too |
| 02:14.58 | JeffM2501 | well what do you think they should be? |
| 02:15.13 | DTRemenak | think what should be? |
| 02:15.18 | JeffM2501 | options |
| 02:15.28 | JeffM2501 | I thought of a BUNCH more on the way home :) |
| 02:15.31 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 02:15.48 | JeffM2501 | maybe one option to turn all effects off |
| 02:16.01 | JeffM2501 | then sub options for each effect |
| 02:16.02 | DTRemenak | from the menu side, all I want is to be able to say getPossibleSpawnEffects so I can put them in a list |
| 02:16.07 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 02:16.20 | DTRemenak | and so on for the other events that can trigger effects |
| 02:16.27 | JeffM2501 | probalby should make the effects system a singleton too |
| 02:16.32 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 02:16.38 | JeffM2501 | there shoudl be a trigger for ALL of them too |
| 02:16.47 | DTRemenak | yeah, I'll put that too |
| 02:16.50 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 02:17.10 | DTRemenak | "Fancy Effects System: on/off" :) |
| 02:17.32 | JeffM2501 | "kick ass effects: on/panzy" |
| 02:17.37 | DTRemenak | hehe :) |
| 02:17.59 | JeffM2501 | I hope I can pull the laser effect I have in mind off |
| 02:18.15 | BenUrban | what do you have in mind? |
| 02:18.25 | hardwire | hah |
| 02:18.26 | hardwire | fun stuff |
| 02:18.32 | hardwire | joystick is dpad only? |
| 02:18.44 | DTRemenak | shockwave is the one I'm looking forward to most :) |
| 02:18.48 | DTRemenak | hardwire: dpad? |
| 02:18.52 | hardwire | joystick support |
| 02:18.56 | JeffM2501 | probalby depends on what axes are 0 and 1 |
| 02:19.01 | hardwire | can't get any non dpad axis to work |
| 02:19.02 | JeffM2501 | so it would depend on the pad |
| 02:19.05 | DTRemenak | you need two axes |
| 02:19.07 | DTRemenak | that's it |
| 02:19.14 | hardwire | do they sell one axis joysticks :) |
| 02:19.17 | DTRemenak | and your driver needs to tell us about itself |
| 02:19.22 | DTRemenak | wheels are usually single-axis |
| 02:19.23 | hardwire | my driver? |
| 02:19.29 | DTRemenak | joystick driver |
| 02:19.31 | JeffM2501 | hardwire, atari 2600 paddle controllers :) |
| 02:19.33 | hardwire | usb joystick |
| 02:19.39 | hardwire | Saitek X45 |
| 02:19.45 | hardwire | 9 axis |
| 02:19.48 | DTRemenak | if you're on windows it should all work automagically |
| 02:19.56 | hardwire | linux |
| 02:20.09 | hardwire | anybody felt like using libjsw? |
| 02:20.09 | DTRemenak | on linux it has to be registered with the event device driver system |
| 02:20.17 | hardwire | ok.. its registered just fine |
| 02:20.25 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, how do you tell bz what axes to use? |
| 02:20.28 | JeffM2501 | that's his problem |
| 02:20.33 | JeffM2501 | he's using the first 2 |
| 02:20.36 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: it's on the joystick menu |
| 02:20.37 | JeffM2501 | and he needs to use more |
| 02:20.41 | hardwire | actually |
| 02:20.45 | hardwire | it wasn't detecting any axis |
| 02:20.47 | hardwire | N/A |
| 02:20.57 | hardwire | I then tried a gravis usb |
| 02:20.58 | hardwire | that worked fine |
| 02:20.59 | JeffM2501 | then tisn't registerd proplery :) |
| 02:21.22 | hardwire | it registers with all joystick calibrators and libjsw compat programs |
| 02:21.58 | hardwire | I think my x45 is freaking out actually |
| 02:22.00 | hardwire | its not working anymore |
| 02:22.02 | hardwire | how odd is that |
| 02:22.31 | hardwire | anyways.. it was fun with the dpad |
| 02:22.39 | hardwire | I am going to find my other joystick soon and see if it works |
| 02:22.39 | hardwire | bbl |
| 02:23.30 | DTRemenak | heh, no I didn't |
| 02:23.52 | DTRemenak | evdev joysticks are stuck hardcoded to X=0 Y=1 |
| 02:24.11 | JeffM2501 | see :) |
| 02:24.40 | DTRemenak | so two of your axes ought to work on whatever stick you have plugged in, but you don't get to pick which two |
| 02:24.57 | JeffM2501 | most dpads are the first 2 |
| 02:25.11 | JeffM2501 | since it's most compatable with games that don't do variable input |
| 02:25.15 | JeffM2501 | aka all or none |
| 02:25.37 | JeffM2501 | on windows it ran fine with my PS2 style controller |
| 02:26.06 | DTRemenak | on windows you can pick your axes now. likewise on SDL-joystick platforms |
| 02:26.33 | DTRemenak | not on linux with evdev or on freebsd with usb joysticks though |
| 02:27.26 | DTRemenak | I can finally sit down and stare at bzflag's code for a while :) |
| 02:30.23 | hardwire | now all I want to do is play bzflag |
| 02:30.50 | hardwire | I will just lay down and fake sick tonight.. I don't want to clean the house when the g/f gets home |
| 02:30.52 | hardwire | :) |
| 02:31.01 | hardwire | time to go feel pathetic for a few reasons. |
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| 02:32.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (6 files): effects system changed to a singleton |
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| 02:42.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (effectsRenderer.cxx effectsRenderer.h): give up a list of spawn effect types for that menu thingy |
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| 03:00.45 | wegstar | heya lan56 :D |
| 03:01.23 | lan56 | hey wegstar |
| 03:01.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzflag.dev bzfs.dev): update files |
| 03:01.42 | wegstar | yes!!! |
| 03:01.49 | lan56 | what? |
| 03:01.57 | wegstar | umm.. nothing |
| 03:03.02 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, gonna need an option to "not show your own shot effects" |
| 03:03.45 | spldart | eeek |
| 03:05.30 | JeffM2501 | eek? |
| 03:05.31 | lan56 | heh, those "spree" sounds in the /data/ folder sound nice |
| 03:05.45 | spldart | Day of the living dead... BZFlag... Day of the living dead... BZFlag.... Ah... Record and minimize ATI PVR AND play some BZFlag 8-D> |
| 03:07.34 | spldart | Have been reading of your enhancements stuff Jeff and was wondering when this stuff would be available to try out... |
| 03:07.44 | JeffM2501 | it's in cvs |
| 03:07.46 | JeffM2501 | now |
| 03:07.46 | wegstar | :) |
| 03:07.54 | spldart | How would I go about that? |
| 03:08.16 | JeffM2501 | you ask me to build you one |
| 03:08.18 | spldart | Do I need to update my client from 2.0.2 |
| 03:08.24 | spldart | ah |
| 03:08.25 | JeffM2501 | ohh hell yeah |
| 03:08.28 | spldart | hehe |
| 03:08.30 | spldart | OK |
| 03:08.55 | spldart | Jeff. Please build me a client with these enhancements to try out :) |
| 03:09.08 | spldart | It's sounds coolies |
| 03:09.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/effectsRenderer.cxx: kinder, genteler shot effect, sucks somewhat less |
| 03:09.27 | spldart | Win XP if it makes a difference |
| 03:09.38 | JeffM2501 | windows is as windows does |
| 03:09.43 | spldart | indeed |
| 03:09.55 | JeffM2501 | it's building now |
| 03:09.57 | JeffM2501 | it'll take a bit |
| 03:09.59 | spldart | sweet |
| 03:10.07 | spldart | I wish I had some build experience |
| 03:10.30 | JeffM2501 | you would need a compiler |
| 03:10.42 | spldart | Are these new features taxing video cards at all? |
| 03:10.49 | JeffM2501 | pfft |
| 03:10.50 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 03:10.59 | spldart | I'm at my dually rig with an ati 7500 aiw card not my gaming rig with the 9800 pro |
| 03:11.00 | JeffM2501 | 100 more quads ain't gonna kill it |
| 03:11.04 | spldart | ah cool |
| 03:11.57 | spldart | I assume stuff like the enhanced spawn will allow me to see all spawns with the effect. Doesn't matter the server or other peoples clients. |
| 03:12.12 | JeffM2501 | and vbo or list em |
| 03:12.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's all your client |
| 03:13.00 | spldart | It's to bad you guys are somewhat limited by constraints from the 'guy with the keys' :( |
| 03:13.05 | JeffM2501 | tho you'll get server side sound and resource support in this build as well |
| 03:13.16 | spldart | ah cool |
| 03:13.25 | JeffM2501 | not that anyone uses it yet |
| 03:13.45 | spldart | I got a compiler a month ago or so but things have been to hectic here to do anything with it. |
| 03:13.47 | JeffM2501 | noone is running the vocaliser plugin yet |
| 03:13.51 | spldart | ah |
| 03:14.31 | spldart | I need to head over to my brothers place some weekend with a case of beer and get him to give me a crash course in C+ |
| 03:14.39 | spldart | Just to get me started |
| 03:15.14 | spldart | If it's very logical and somewhat intuitive it shouldn't be hard for me to pick up |
| 03:15.45 | spldart | hehe |
| 03:17.01 | spldart | Something funny.... |
| 03:17.36 | spldart | My wife's new employer has all the machines set so the employees cannot install anything at all. They also have a 'pessimistic' firewall... |
| 03:17.52 | spldart | That means no AIM, ICQ, MSN or anything... |
| 03:18.29 | spldart | I had her ask for permission to access our IP from work and the IT guy allowed it... |
| 03:18.51 | spldart | So she now log's on as admin with bzadmin at work and I log on at home and we talk that way :D |
| 03:19.00 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 03:19.09 | spldart | Got around the firewall and no install permissions that way :D |
| 03:19.23 | spldart | yet another good use for bzflag :) |
| 03:19.23 | *** part/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (~Blue_Eyes@62.211.152.11) |
| 03:19.37 | wegstar | darn libcurl |
| 03:19.46 | wegstar | curl-7.11.1-win32-nossl-devel.zip is the one I should use with MingW? |
| 03:19.47 | spldart | I hate libcurl :( |
| 03:20.01 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/builds/2.0.x/bzflag-2.0.3b6.exe |
| 03:20.12 | JeffM2501 | in like a min spldart |
| 03:20.14 | spldart | thanks :) |
| 03:20.16 | JeffM2501 | it's still uploading |
| 03:20.21 | spldart | oops |
| 03:20.23 | wegstar | whatever.. I'll just get that |
| 03:20.24 | wegstar | :) |
| 03:20.25 | spldart | I already got it |
| 03:20.30 | wegstar | hehe |
| 03:20.31 | JeffM2501 | wegstar, maybe |
| 03:20.36 | JeffM2501 | never used mingw |
| 03:21.01 | JeffM2501 | spldart, it's got like 2 min left |
| 03:21.28 | spldart | uhh |
| 03:21.30 | spldart | :( |
| 03:21.48 | spldart | what did I download?.. And incomplete copy? |
| 03:21.52 | JeffM2501 | only geting 50.3k up |
| 03:21.56 | wegstar | :) |
| 03:21.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:22.02 | JeffM2501 | I wasn't done uploading |
| 03:22.05 | spldart | ok |
| 03:22.08 | spldart | my bad |
| 03:22.10 | JeffM2501 | that is why I told you to wait |
| 03:22.16 | spldart | I guess I'm anxious to try this thing out.. |
| 03:22.34 | spldart | I know I know.. I had started it before you even said in like a minute |
| 03:22.35 | spldart | sorry |
| 03:22.54 | spldart | I asssume it unpacks and runs similar to the old one |
| 03:22.54 | JeffM2501 | it's done |
| 03:22.58 | spldart | yay!!! |
| 03:23.01 | JeffM2501 | it's an installer |
| 03:23.09 | spldart | ah |
| 03:23.18 | spldart | okies |
| 03:23.46 | spldart | getting 185kb/s here |
| 03:23.56 | spldart | ooop |
| 03:24.03 | JeffM2501 | because I sent it to bzbb |
| 03:24.03 | spldart | broke 200 kb/s |
| 03:24.07 | JeffM2501 | so it'd be fast for all you |
| 03:24.13 | JeffM2501 | that's why it took me so long to upload |
| 03:24.16 | spldart | OK.. I'm gonna try this |
| 03:24.18 | spldart | thanks |
| 03:24.33 | JeffM2501 | make sure your in high or experiemental mode |
| 03:24.53 | spldart | ok |
| 03:29.54 | spldart | Got no sound... Checking settings |
| 03:32.36 | JeffM2501 | you may want to throw out the sounds and replace them with your old ones, I was mucking with the wave files |
| 03:33.14 | spldart | NM just a incompatibility with ATI MMC again |
| 03:33.20 | spldart | I got it straightened out now |
| 03:33.28 | spldart | I like the shot and spawn effects |
| 03:33.36 | spldart | are there any other enhancments? |
| 03:33.49 | JeffM2501 | server stuff |
| 03:33.52 | spldart | ah |
| 03:33.56 | spldart | the plugins |
| 03:34.05 | spldart | or the ability to do plugins |
| 03:34.14 | spldart | sweeet |
| 03:34.24 | JeffM2501 | ya |
| 03:34.34 | spldart | I'm going to enjoy this new client for a while... What is the meter thingy just to the left of my target box? |
| 03:34.40 | spldart | I mean right |
| 03:35.52 | JeffM2501 | shots |
| 03:35.58 | spldart | sweet |
| 03:36.02 | JeffM2501 | and when they will be reloaded |
| 03:36.06 | spldart | back to play :) |
| 03:36.13 | spldart | I like.. thanks |
| 03:36.52 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 03:40.10 | RichardRauch | Boo. |
| 03:41.35 | RichardRauch | What are the "tokens" about that bzfs mentions when someone joins (usually "", but I have one that is a 10-character string.) |
| 03:42.02 | JeffM2501 | it's your bus pass |
| 03:42.04 | bryjen | its authentication data |
| 03:42.20 | JeffM2501 | it's how the game server can know who you are with out your password |
| 03:42.30 | RichardRauch | Ah. Thanks. |
| 03:46.57 | spldart | Very cool |
| 03:47.17 | spldart | I likey |
| 03:49.43 | spldart | when will the new bzfs be ready for my linux machine? |
| 03:49.46 | spldart | :) |
| 03:49.53 | spldart | Or is it ready already?> |
| 03:50.38 | JeffM2501 | cvs |
| 03:50.48 | JeffM2501 | just cvs update |
| 03:50.56 | spldart | cvs update? |
| 03:52.30 | JeffM2501 | how did you get it on linux? |
| 03:53.30 | spldart | AH |
| 03:53.42 | spldart | I found cvs stuff |
| 03:53.52 | spldart | oh... Get apt or something like that. I'm sure it's the same thing |
| 03:53.55 | spldart | or real simliar |
| 03:54.16 | spldart | I'm sure I can manage now.. err I hope :) |
| 03:54.45 | spldart | I might try the new server tomorrrow... Can I use all my same configuration files? |
| 03:55.30 | JeffM2501 | no no no |
| 03:55.33 | JeffM2501 | apt is not CVS |
| 03:55.45 | wegstar | :) |
| 03:56.18 | spldart | well... I used apt to get X, samba, apache and bzflag |
| 03:56.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:56.25 | JeffM2501 | but that's difrent |
| 03:56.28 | spldart | okies |
| 03:56.32 | JeffM2501 | that's geting the version that was submited to apt |
| 03:56.34 | JeffM2501 | in binary format |
| 03:56.37 | JeffM2501 | as a dpkg |
| 03:56.41 | JeffM2501 | you want to use CVS |
| 03:56.43 | JeffM2501 | to get the current code |
| 03:56.45 | JeffM2501 | and build your own |
| 03:56.50 | spldart | OH |
| 03:56.57 | spldart | again building :( |
| 03:57.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:57.26 | JeffM2501 | but you've done it once right? |
| 03:57.27 | spldart | I guess I need to learn eek |
| 03:57.37 | JeffM2501 | how did bzflag server get on your linux machine? |
| 03:57.39 | JeffM2501 | via apt? |
| 03:57.42 | spldart | No. I haven't |
| 03:57.44 | JeffM2501 | or did you get source and buld? |
| 03:57.45 | spldart | yes |
| 03:57.48 | spldart | via apt |
| 03:58.01 | spldart | I haven't done a build |
| 03:58.01 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 03:58.09 | JeffM2501 | apt only has "stable" versions |
| 03:58.13 | *** join/#bzflag gvdm (~gvdm@210-246-21-8.paradise.net.nz) |
| 03:59.08 | spldart | makes sense. Can I build on a windows machine and then put it on my linux machine or is the build more intergrated with linux than all that. |
| 03:59.47 | JeffM2501 | no no no |
| 03:59.54 | JeffM2501 | linux on linux |
| 03:59.56 | JeffM2501 | windows on windows |
| 03:59.59 | JeffM2501 | unless your tupone |
| 04:00.00 | spldart | I figured |
| 04:00.08 | JeffM2501 | then you build a bastard windows version on linux :) |
| 04:00.41 | spldart | woah.. |
| 04:00.45 | spldart | Ok... |
| 04:00.57 | spldart | I might be a bit over my head on this one... |
| 04:00.59 | spldart | heh |
| 04:01.31 | JeffM2501 | it's not bad |
| 04:01.37 | spldart | and I'm NOT EVEN going to ask you guys to talk me through that ;) Esp after all the work you seem to have just done. |
| 04:01.48 | spldart | hehe |
| 04:02.08 | spldart | I assume build takes a bit.. esp on a slow machine like my 500mhz k6 2 |
| 04:03.00 | spldart | (the only linux machine in my house :( ) |
| 04:03.19 | Aribeth_away | it would take a little time |
| 04:03.26 | Aribeth_away | not bad though |
| 04:04.50 | spldart | IC |
| 04:05.13 | spldart | Grr... I have so much to learn about linux :( |
| 04:06.00 | RichardRauch | The question is, would you run the MS version on GNU/LINUX? (^& |
| 04:06.41 | RichardRauch | (Or other UNIX-alike. Running on a coyp of MS installed on a virtual CPU doesn't count; must use an emulation like PEACE or Rewind...) |
| 04:06.45 | *** join/#bzflag gvdm (~gvdm@210-246-21-8.paradise.net.nz) |
| 04:08.38 | RichardRauch | Okay, quick vote: Should I fix my old laptop or leave it be, tonight? I am too tired to safely make big decisions like that. (^& |
| 04:09.04 | wegstar | leave it be ;) |
| 04:09.45 | RichardRauch | Thanks. I'll play bzflag then for a bit on hepcat...(^& |
| 04:10.07 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpi (~frank@p5481A1CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:18.31 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114 (~shorty114@shorty114.user) |
| 04:19.45 | *** join/#bzflag Tegan (~lyra@eacb02-00-cmmgga-70-34-176-23.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 04:20.13 | Aribeth_away | hi shorty, pimpi, tegan |
| 04:20.21 | Tegan | nhi Aribeth_away |
| 04:20.48 | shorty114 | hola Aribeth |
| 04:21.00 | Tegan | saluton shorty |
| 04:21.07 | shorty114 | hi Tegan |
| 04:23.42 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 04:26.37 | RichardRauch | Ah, Tegan. Boo. |
| 04:27.03 | RichardRauch | (You don't really know me, but I saw you on a map a while back. I remember you because of the Dr. Who ref...(^&) |
| 04:27.34 | Tegan | hi |
| 04:27.37 | wegstar | :) |
| 04:36.59 | spldart | Did I mention I like the new effects |
| 04:37.00 | spldart | ? |
| 04:37.03 | spldart | :D |
| 04:37.13 | shorty114 | ~dns www.top100bloggers.com |
| 04:38.09 | wegstar | huh? ---> C:\\bzflag\Dev-C++\Makefile.win [Build Error] No rule to make target `xx', needed by `../Dev-C++/ObstacleSceneNodeGenerator.o'. Stop. |
| 04:38.35 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (~chatzilla@dialup-4.129.80.200.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 04:38.50 | wegstar | ah, hi biya |
| 04:40.01 | spldart | woops |
| 04:40.44 | BIYA | :) hey |
| 04:41.00 | spldart | the new client says server not found when I click find server, and hit the local server name... If I go instead to my public name I get in just fine... I seem to remember somebody mentioning that a couple days ago or so. |
| 04:41.35 | wegstar | i'm sure things will go fine :/ |
| 04:41.57 | wegstar | doesn't look like it should be there anyway.. |
| 04:42.05 | BIYA | I had a problem way back in the day... I could only find 5 servers for like 6 months!!! But if I typed in the server name manually then it worked |
| 04:43.10 | blast007 | BIYA: doesn't sound like the same problem... |
| 04:43.24 | spldart | This one seems to find all the internet servers. and it finds mine by the internet name.. I just doesn't like the other hit (debianserver) |
| 04:43.34 | spldart | It's a non issue though |
| 04:43.38 | spldart | for me anyway |
| 04:43.53 | BIYA | I know blast.. Im just saying. |
| 04:45.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (effectsRenderer.cxx effectsRenderer.h playing.cxx): add graphic effect to player death. |
| 04:47.55 | spldart | look out |
| 04:48.00 | spldart | More neat stuff |
| 04:48.20 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 04:48.23 | JeffM2501 | it kinda sucks |
| 04:48.27 | JeffM2501 | but I wanted to get the hook in there |
| 04:49.20 | spldart | ah |
| 04:49.33 | spldart | Something I didn't expect |
| 04:49.36 | JeffM2501 | so far spawn has been the best |
| 04:49.59 | spldart | It's easier to get homed in on a cloaked tank with the 'shot' effect on. |
| 04:50.12 | JeffM2501 | a smige |
| 04:50.17 | spldart | yeah |
| 04:50.26 | spldart | found that out quick on hepcat |
| 04:50.44 | JeffM2501 | no doubt somone is going to complain about THAT |
| 04:50.52 | spldart | No doubt |
| 04:50.54 | spldart | But it's fine |
| 04:51.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's not like you can't see by the shot |
| 04:51.12 | spldart | Cloak can still sneak up real good. A very strong flag still. |
| 04:52.50 | wegstar | jeez.. why does that keep appearing?: |
| 04:52.52 | wegstar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.09 | JeffM2501 | cus devC++ sucks |
| 04:53.18 | Grumbler | arggggg, ug.....god i hate the lag with t he new rev |
| 04:53.32 | Grumbler | someone should be shto |
| 04:53.38 | spldart | eek |
| 04:53.40 | wegstar | :) |
| 04:53.43 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 04:53.47 | JeffM2501 | nothing in net changed |
| 04:53.54 | Grumbler | something changed |
| 04:53.59 | RichardRauch | Is that XX or xx? Definitely lower case? |
| 04:54.07 | wegstar | yep |
| 04:54.17 | Grumbler | the fact that there is a special fix for sportchick proves that |
| 04:54.17 | JeffM2501 | well how about you ACTUALY REPORT IT and give some info instead of just complaining? |
| 04:54.23 | Grumbler | i have |
| 04:54.29 | JeffM2501 | that was NOT a lag problem |
| 04:54.29 | RichardRauch | What do you find if you grep for xx in the makefile? |
| 04:54.32 | JeffM2501 | that was a time problem |
| 04:54.35 | JeffM2501 | for laptops |
| 04:54.46 | wegstar | grep? ;) |
| 04:54.47 | JeffM2501 | use one of the posted betas then |
| 04:54.52 | Grumbler | well, guess what there spanky, its still around |
| 04:55.05 | wegstar | no wait.. I'll force devc |
| 04:55.06 | Grumbler | so i guess it didnt quite get out there |
| 04:55.07 | JeffM2501 | then there is more then just her little problem |
| 04:55.11 | wegstar | to use that makefile |
| 04:55.24 | RichardRauch | grep: Global Regular Expression Print. |
| 04:55.25 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, what version works, and what version dosn't? |
| 04:55.38 | Grumbler | prev 2.0, |
| 04:55.39 | RichardRauch | Search tool. Use any other search tool if you like. (^& |
| 04:55.41 | Grumbler | works |
| 04:55.50 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 worked, 2.0.2 did not? |
| 04:55.54 | Grumbler | after that, lag is messed up |
| 04:56.00 | JeffM2501 | and 2.0.3b3+ ? |
| 04:56.10 | Grumbler | no 2.0 had it as well, just not out there long enough to get a good sample |
| 04:56.22 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 04:56.31 | JeffM2501 | so your saying networking just dosn't work in 2.0? |
| 04:56.46 | JeffM2501 | what verison you using? |
| 04:56.52 | Grumbler | 2.02 |
| 04:57.02 | JeffM2501 | why have you not upgraded? |
| 04:57.06 | JeffM2501 | to the one with the FIX? |
| 04:57.12 | Grumbler | i dont have a 2.03 client |
| 04:57.23 | JeffM2501 | why not? |
| 04:57.37 | JeffM2501 | why complain about somethign you have the power to fix? |
| 04:57.41 | Grumbler | is it out there, its not mentione d on bzflag.org |
| 04:57.48 | Grumbler | i dont have power to fix |
| 04:57.51 | JeffM2501 | because it's beta |
| 04:57.58 | JeffM2501 | it's been on the boards and here |
| 04:58.07 | Grumbler | i only have windows to play....linux to build..... |
| 04:58.18 | JeffM2501 | dude we posted 5 binary builds |
| 04:58.22 | JeffM2501 | for windows! |
| 04:58.45 | JeffM2501 | I guess it's easy to complain when your eyes are closed. |
| 04:58.49 | Grumbler | yeah, but why would "I" need that fix, if it is the other clients with the problem |
| 04:59.03 | Grumbler | ie, not all clients, but many |
| 04:59.03 | JeffM2501 | the problem may not be them |
| 04:59.05 | JeffM2501 | it could be you |
| 04:59.12 | JeffM2501 | you can also tell them to upgrade |
| 04:59.19 | Grumbler | you have a point |
| 04:59.22 | JeffM2501 | what more can we do then make changes? |
| 04:59.29 | JeffM2501 | and post them and have people test? |
| 04:59.42 | JeffM2501 | go to there house and install it? ;) |
| 04:59.56 | JeffM2501 | and then find out where the asshats live and break there knees :) |
| 04:59.58 | Grumbler | release them? |
| 05:00.07 | spldart | lol |
| 05:00.27 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak has been pusing tim for a 2.04 |
| 05:00.32 | JeffM2501 | as you know we have to wait for him |
| 05:00.40 | Grumbler | well, lets see....since i didnt see a beta build release.........because bzbb is full o f asshats, i guess i didnt see it |
| 05:00.51 | JeffM2501 | that's why I made the releases build |
| 05:00.54 | JeffM2501 | forum |
| 05:01.10 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, where's my menu? ;) |
| 05:01.22 | DTRemenak | hehe, sorry, was out with some friends |
| 05:01.26 | DTRemenak | mostly done |
| 05:01.30 | JeffM2501 | fun fun |
| 05:01.37 | JeffM2501 | sripers and drinks for all? |
| 05:01.45 | DTRemenak | now looking at hooking in your enumerators |
| 05:02.27 | JeffM2501 | the death effect sucks, but figured best to get it in there |
| 05:02.48 | JeffM2501 | I had the func return a vector of strings |
| 05:02.58 | JeffM2501 | just set the bzdb var to the index into that list and it'll work |
| 05:03.02 | DTRemenak | coolio |
| 05:03.03 | JeffM2501 | 0 == no effect |
| 05:03.14 | DTRemenak | index 0 is "none" or something? |
| 05:03.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:03.23 | JeffM2501 | that specific string :) |
| 05:03.25 | DTRemenak | nifty, made it easy for me :) |
| 05:03.30 | JeffM2501 | I try |
| 05:03.42 | JeffM2501 | 0 = none |
| 05:03.45 | JeffM2501 | 1 = the default |
| 05:03.54 | JeffM2501 | 2+ == special ones |
| 05:04.12 | DTRemenak | do I need to call a setter or do you read the bzdb vars yourself? |
| 05:04.28 | JeffM2501 | I can get the bzdb var |
| 05:04.35 | JeffM2501 | I left it stubed |
| 05:04.39 | JeffM2501 | with a comment :) |
| 05:04.42 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 05:04.52 | JeffM2501 | says //dude BZDB seriously |
| 05:05.00 | JeffM2501 | right now they all are just using 1 |
| 05:05.08 | JeffM2501 | hard code |
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| 05:05.19 | DTRemenak | hm, so you want ints not strings in bzdb? |
| 05:05.28 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 05:05.32 | *** join/#bzflag jolie (~alex@p54A74C3C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:05.34 | JeffM2501 | indexes |
| 05:05.54 | jolie | waaah morning |
| 05:06.04 | JeffM2501 | morning |
| 05:06.12 | jolie | morning |
| 05:06.21 | spldart | morning |
| 05:06.35 | bryjen | six past midnight |
| 05:06.37 | DTRemenak | index like 1 not index like "default" right? |
| 05:06.42 | spldart | same here bryjen |
| 05:06.47 | JeffM2501 | like 1 |
| 05:06.52 | JeffM2501 | 0 to N |
| 05:06.56 | DTRemenak | k, cool. I'll change that |
| 05:06.59 | jolie | bryjen ehem* morning! |
| 05:07.05 | JeffM2501 | will make it faster |
| 05:07.06 | DTRemenak | right now the defaults are set to strings |
| 05:07.09 | DTRemenak | yeah that's cool |
| 05:07.15 | JeffM2501 | and will work better if names change |
| 05:07.18 | jolie | DTRemenak you too! morning =) |
| 05:07.18 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 05:07.20 | jolie | heh |
| 05:07.28 | DTRemenak | jolie: mornin' |
| 05:08.56 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o jolie] by JeffM2501 |
| 05:09.03 | jolie | ^_^ |
| 05:09.16 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o DTRemenak] by JeffM2501 |
| 05:11.13 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o jolie] by jolie |
| 05:12.55 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o jolie] by JeffM2501 |
| 05:13.19 | jolie | hmrr** ^_^ |
| 05:14.17 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:14.46 | Grumbler | it was better...but it crashed when silverfox closed the map |
| 05:15.08 | Lagomorph | it's a beta, of course it crashed ;) |
| 05:15.27 | JeffM2501 | what version? |
| 05:16.35 | Grumbler | b3 |
| 05:16.47 | bryjen | "closed the map" ? |
| 05:16.49 | JeffM2501 | I just posted b6 |
| 05:17.01 | Grumbler | shut the server down, restart |
| 05:18.13 | Grumbler | ...and it has the gamma problem again |
| 05:19.05 | JeffM2501 | I just posted b6 |
| 05:19.16 | Grumbler | i am getting |
| 05:19.49 | Lagomorph | what's the effects renderer singleton name? |
| 05:20.04 | JeffM2501 | EfectsRenderer |
| 05:20.12 | JeffM2501 | spelled right |
| 05:20.18 | Lagomorph | heh, ok |
| 05:20.19 | Grumbler | llama checks? |
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| 05:33.18 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 05:33.30 | DTRemenak | least I can't make it do it |
| 05:34.44 | wegstar | lan56, could you compile bzflag with dev-c++ after your changes? |
| 05:35.34 | lan56 | the changes from earlier? I already did |
| 05:35.41 | wegstar | hmmm |
| 05:35.51 | lan56 | what trouble are you having? |
| 05:35.59 | wegstar | Dev-C++ is inserting 'xx' in the makefile |
| 05:36.08 | lan56 | randomly? |
| 05:36.14 | wegstar | well.. there are 3 spots |
| 05:36.35 | DTRemenak | ah, assign() works |
| 05:36.43 | lan56 | can you copy and paste the error it tells you when you go to compile, wegstar? |
| 05:36.57 | lan56 | I've never heard of such a thing |
| 05:37.05 | wegstar | :) |
| 05:37.22 | wegstar | ok.. you'll havfe to wait a bit |
| 05:37.36 | lan56 | well, only if it isn't too much trouble |
| 05:37.47 | wegstar | nope |
| 05:37.50 | lan56 | I have time |
| 05:41.07 | wegstar | ah.. here we go |
| 05:41.16 | wegstar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.02 | lan56 | you typed that yourself instead of copy and pasting, didn't you? :) have you tried deleting the makefile? |
| 05:42.31 | wegstar | err... no |
| 05:42.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 2 dirs): effects stuff. add the remaining effects enumerator functions, tie in the menus, add an option to globally toggle the effects |
| 05:42.32 | lan56 | it might be something old that dev-c++ has no relation to, deleting the makefile will just recreate it on compile again |
| 05:42.43 | wegstar | ok then |
| 05:42.46 | lan56 | that probably will fix it |
| 05:42.58 | lan56 | but if not, tell me |
| 05:43.14 | wegstar | hmm |
| 05:45.33 | wegstar | O_o |
| 05:45.37 | wegstar | same |
| 05:46.34 | lan56 | :( |
| 05:46.41 | lan56 | let me try |
| 05:47.41 | wegstar | then when I remove he xx's and force devc++ to use that, i get all these linker errors |
| 05:47.50 | wegstar | s/he/the/ |
| 05:48.40 | lan56 | can you copy and paste one of the linker errors here? |
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| 05:48.47 | wegstar | uhh |
| 05:48.56 | wegstar | ok |
| 05:49.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (LocalPlayer.cxx effectsRenderer.cxx playing.cxx): actually tie the effects stuff in to USE bzdb |
| 05:50.09 | lan56 | if you are using anonymous CVS, you may be affected by a delay. I don't remeber ever having these errors, but the updates I made earlier might fix it somehow |
| 05:50.23 | wegstar | hmm |
| 05:50.27 | lan56 | sf.net still has an anoncvs delay IIRC |
| 05:50.38 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: there, all checked in :) |
| 05:50.59 | wegstar | well I seemed to get your updates immediately... |
| 05:51.09 | Grumbler | like the shot meter |
| 05:51.47 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 05:51.49 | Tupone | DTRemenak: heve you tested solaris ? |
| 05:52.01 | JeffM2501 | I'm doing more spawn efffects |
| 05:52.09 | JeffM2501 | I'll add em to the vector and see how it goes :) |
| 05:52.15 | JeffM2501 | once I get it to not render like ass |
| 05:52.24 | lan56 | wegstar: ehh, I guess they fixed it then |
| 05:52.34 | DTRemenak | oddly doesn't seem to work, maybe I should have tested before committing :) |
| 05:52.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (effectsRenderer.cxx effectsRenderer.h): unused var warning |
| 05:53.03 | lan56 | wegstar, what version of dev-c++ are you using |
| 05:53.06 | DTRemenak | Tupone: no, not yet |
| 05:53.19 | wegstar | 4.9.9.2 |
| 05:53.19 | Tupone | :(, thats ok |
| 05:53.35 | DTRemenak | monday probably |
| 05:53.49 | lan56 | wegstar, that's the latest |
| 05:53.51 | DTRemenak | people are still doing stuff on the clusters |
| 05:53.54 | wegstar | I have the latest "core files" too.. |
| 05:54.40 | lan56 | would you happen to know what line it inserts the "xx" in? if so, copy and paste it here |
| 05:55.00 | wegstar | ok |
| 05:55.46 | wegstar | line 527, 530, 533 of Makefile.win |
| 05:55.55 | wegstar | ./Dev-C++/ObstacleSceneNodeGenerator.o: ../src/obstacle/ObstacleSceneNodeGenerator.cxx xx ../include/ObstacleSceneNodeGenerator.h |
| 05:56.06 | wegstar | out of the blue, two xx's |
| 05:56.34 | lan56 | I'd say that when it goes to create the makefile, it has a bug that duplicates the "xx" of the ".cxx" |
| 05:56.37 | DTRemenak | ah, I see what's wrong now. you have to turn it off for it to work :) |
| 05:57.12 | lan56 | dtremenak, when you compile with your mingw have you ever had this error? |
| 05:57.20 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 05:57.50 | lan56 | pfft, I'm clueless |
| 05:58.35 | lan56 | I'm thinking |
| 05:58.40 | wegstar | :( |
| 05:58.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/EffectsMenu.cxx: un-reverse the boolean options |
| 05:59.05 | DTRemenak | now it should even work ;) |
| 05:59.07 | Tupone | I hope the effect will be fixed :/ they make it unplayable now |
| 05:59.33 | DTRemenak | Tupone: Jeff is redoing the shot effect |
| 05:59.51 | Tupone | even the spawn. I cannot see anything during my spawn |
| 05:59.58 | DTRemenak | you can always turn it off |
| 06:00.11 | DTRemenak | probably should have a separate option for local spawn too |
| 06:00.29 | DTRemenak | I'd like to turn the spawn effect off for my own spawn but see it for other people's |
| 06:00.54 | Tupone | yeah |
| 06:01.00 | lan56 | wegstar, try deleting bzflag.dev and the makefile (Makefile.win), then rechecking them out |
| 06:01.08 | lan56 | I hope you have a fast connection :) |
| 06:01.16 | wegstar | yep :D |
| 06:02.30 | lan56 | and naturally finishing compilation :) |
| 06:02.40 | wegstar | ???!!! |
| 06:02.54 | wegstar | URLMAnager.cxx is missing :/ |
| 06:03.33 | lan56 | correct |
| 06:03.45 | lan56 | does it give you an error you mean? |
| 06:03.48 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, fair nuf |
| 06:03.52 | wegstar | yes |
| 06:03.57 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I already added the option :) |
| 06:04.03 | DTRemenak | testing now |
| 06:04.13 | lan56 | wegstar, ehh let me take a look |
| 06:04.50 | JeffM2501 | coo |
| 06:05.02 | JeffM2501 | just fixing ring spawn and I'll merge |
| 06:05.34 | lan56 | URLManager.cxx doesn't even exist anymore, are you sure you cvs updated /src/ and /include/ tonight? |
| 06:05.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (EffectsMenu.cxx bzflag.cxx playing.cxx): separate option for local and remote spawn effects |
| 06:06.22 | DTRemenak | Tupone: that make you happy? |
| 06:06.42 | Tupone | happy ... :) a little |
| 06:07.01 | wegstar | yes |
| 06:07.08 | wegstar | well |
| 06:07.27 | lan56 | just the facts ma'am :) |
| 06:07.57 | wegstar | ? |
| 06:08.55 | lan56 | I was joking around :) |
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| 06:12.17 | wegstar | :) |
| 06:12.47 | wegstar | oh yeah.. just a quick question |
| 06:13.23 | Grumbler | yeah, the lag is not the same....but i am playing at an unusual time........i will see tomorrow |
| 06:14.11 | wegstar | how come the bzflag I build is 'screwy'? as in the screen leaves trails everywhere and sound is messed up? |
| 06:14.15 | DTRemenak | death effect is nifty too |
| 06:15.09 | blast007 | wegstar: it's a random feature ;) |
| 06:15.20 | spldart | Is death effect ready to be seen by the general public yet? |
| 06:15.52 | DTRemenak | spldart: I'll grab a screenshot if you want |
| 06:15.52 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 06:15.54 | Grumbler | trigger happy is almost blinding |
| 06:16.02 | spldart | I'm curious :) |
| 06:16.11 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: I have local shot effects turned off for just that reason :) |
| 06:20.30 | wegstar | hmm... random effect |
| 06:20.36 | wegstar | eh? |
| 06:21.16 | wegstar | :) |
| 06:21.23 | spldart | I really must stop tweakan and playing hepcat at the same time. I'll blow something out :( |
| 06:21.29 | wegstar | :D |
| 06:21.42 | spldart | ;-) |
| 06:22.20 | wegstar | lan56: URLManager.cxx is not found :( |
| 06:22.23 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I'm taking out the word "flash" and standarising on "effect" |
| 06:22.32 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: excellent |
| 06:22.54 | spldart | Ah.. The guru's are still final touching up |
| 06:23.49 | lan56 | wegstar, :( |
| 06:24.17 | lan56 | there's something wrong here I am just not sure what |
| 06:24.19 | spldart | I'm a witness to a great moment in time. A new revision of BZClient :) |
| 06:24.46 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.51 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 06:24.57 | spldart | I'm being silly |
| 06:25.01 | spldart | sorry |
| 06:25.04 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (5 files): |
| 06:25.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: standardise on effects as name. |
| 06:25.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add some more effects for spawn ( cone and ring ) |
| 06:25.24 | JeffM2501 | ring needs help |
| 06:25.30 | wegstar | oh well... gotta sleep |
| 06:25.39 | spldart | Nighty night wegstar :) |
| 06:25.49 | lan56 | wegstar, night, sorry about the build tho |
| 06:25.50 | wegstar | compile it tomorrow, hopefully things will be better in the morning ;) |
| 06:26.01 | wegstar | ok :D |
| 06:26.05 | lan56 | :) |
| 06:26.14 | lan56 | we'll fix it |
| 06:26.18 | lan56 | ehh too late |
| 06:27.57 | DTRemenak | spldart: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=38692#38692 |
| 06:28.32 | Grumbler | and i can play with enhanced radar for the first timie |
| 06:29.44 | spldart | Thanks... Kinda 'death star' blowing up ish |
| 06:30.25 | purple_cow | bah |
| 06:30.33 | purple_cow | that's only in a crappy version of the movie |
| 06:30.56 | spldart | hehe |
| 06:31.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/effectsRenderer.cxx: ring spawn to use team colors |
| 06:32.06 | spldart | interesting |
| 06:33.42 | JeffM2501 | dono if I like rings |
| 06:33.47 | JeffM2501 | and cone may be to tall |
| 06:33.59 | Grumbler | the shot rings or the spawn rings |
| 06:34.05 | JeffM2501 | spawn |
| 06:34.10 | JeffM2501 | I know I don't like shot |
| 06:34.16 | Grumbler | its fine |
| 06:34.31 | Grumbler | shot is ok, so long as it is not the user |
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| 06:34.43 | JeffM2501 | are you looking at standard spawn? |
| 06:34.47 | JeffM2501 | or "ring" spawn? |
| 06:34.55 | JeffM2501 | there are now 3 spawns |
| 06:34.57 | Grumbler | yeahh, ok, i have no clue |
| 06:35.12 | Grumbler | whatever was default in the build i got |
| 06:35.17 | JeffM2501 | std |
| 06:35.20 | JeffM2501 | ring is new |
| 06:36.24 | DTRemenak | hey, I like the cone effect |
| 06:36.33 | Grumbler | well, like i said, it seemed better, but i will have to wait till i play at my normal times to see if it is truly improved or aberation |
| 06:36.56 | Grumbler | some things are excellent |
| 06:37.25 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: everything is controllable. options->effects |
| 06:37.26 | JeffM2501 | I may move local shots "back" so you don't see them if you drive forward |
| 06:37.32 | JeffM2501 | but you will if you drive backwards |
| 06:37.48 | DTRemenak | I think the shot things would look much better if they kept the tank's velocities |
| 06:37.59 | JeffM2501 | that culd be done |
| 06:38.08 | Grumbler | DTRemenak, nothing was in my build, just the standard tread stuff and rain and mirror under t hat menu |
| 06:38.09 | JeffM2501 | I'll work on that |
| 06:38.21 | JeffM2501 | he's got an older one |
| 06:38.26 | JeffM2501 | I haven't bild a new one |
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| 06:38.51 | SciDude | KyleH waves at friends |
| 06:38.56 | Grumbler | i thought they did......thats how i was explaining the one or two shots that are faster than the others |
| 06:40.02 | KyleH | after nick change am I muted? |
| 06:40.11 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 06:40.11 | Grumbler | yes |
| 06:40.18 | spldart | lol |
| 06:40.22 | KyleH | ok bad, good. |
| 06:40.32 | spldart | and the ugly |
| 06:40.35 | KyleH | is this a quantum uncertainty answer? |
| 06:40.51 | spldart | Where's your Heizenberg compensator |
| 06:40.52 | spldart | ? |
| 06:41.14 | spldart | :) |
| 06:41.35 | Grumbler | JeffM2501, thanks for pointing out where the betas were.........we'll see how po'ed i am the next time i play |
| 06:42.36 | spldart | Are you guys just adding and modding more stuff on the bzflag-2.0.3b6.exe build? |
| 06:42.49 | spldart | interesting |
| 06:42.54 | KyleH | brb |
| 06:43.11 | JeffM2501 | spldart, no b7 |
| 06:43.13 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 06:43.18 | spldart | ooOOoo |
| 06:43.31 | spldart | is that available or soon to be? |
| 06:43.36 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 06:43.52 | spldart | ic |
| 06:44.24 | spldart | I was kinda watching http://my.bzflag.org/builds/2.0.x/ waiting to see if anything new popped up. hehehe |
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| 06:51.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (6 files): add option to use the tanks velocity with shot effects. |
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| 06:54.04 | JeffM2501 | hmm that was fun |
| 06:54.15 | JeffM2501 | I guess the mac does a TSOD |
| 06:54.27 | JeffM2501 | instead of a normal blue |
| 06:54.42 | RichardRauch | Hm? |
| 06:54.55 | RichardRauch | I think that only MS does a blue screen of death. |
| 06:55.05 | JeffM2501 | I disn't say blue |
| 06:55.09 | RichardRauch | Amigas did Guru Meditation Numbers... |
| 06:55.10 | JeffM2501 | I said TSOD |
| 06:55.31 | RichardRauch | No, you didn't explain what it meant. I assumed SOD was Screen Of Death. |
| 06:55.40 | RichardRauch | Was that assumption wrong? |
| 06:56.01 | RichardRauch | (You did say that you thought blue was "normal". In context of Screen of Death...it's not. It's MS abberration. (^&) |
| 06:56.16 | JeffM2501 | T= transperant |
| 06:56.38 | RichardRauch | I was not concerned about the T. |
| 06:56.45 | RichardRauch | (^& |
| 06:56.59 | RichardRauch | What did SOD stand for, then? |
| 06:57.17 | JeffM2501 | screen of death |
| 06:57.25 | RichardRauch | Okay. (^& |
| 07:01.05 | purple_cow | RichardRauch: considering that the overwhelming majority of SODs are blue, i think it's safe to call blue normal |
| 07:01.38 | RichardRauch | It is common place, but is the aberration of a single OS (MS-Windows). (^& |
| 07:01.47 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 07:01.53 | JeffM2501 | my mac JUST had a screen of death |
| 07:02.25 | RichardRauch | (shrug) |
| 07:02.32 | RichardRauch | It doesn't matter. |
| 07:03.50 | JeffM2501 | b7 is uploaded for those what wants it |
| 07:04.20 | purple_cow | b7? ..... blake's 7? |
| 07:04.40 | JeffM2501 | buld 7 |
| 07:04.44 | JeffM2501 | never seen blakes |
| 07:04.53 | purple_cow | probably for the best |
| 07:05.21 | JeffM2501 | not so go? |
| 07:05.23 | JeffM2501 | good? |
| 07:06.28 | purple_cow | nope |
| 07:12.07 | BenUrban | uhh what exactly do you mean by "transparent screen of death"? |
| 07:12.15 | BenUrban | (just curious) |
| 07:13.02 | JeffM2501 | it was a screen of death |
| 07:13.06 | JeffM2501 | and it was transperant |
| 07:13.14 | JeffM2501 | "you must restart your mac now" |
| 07:13.28 | BenUrban | heh, that's pretty transparent :P |
| 07:13.43 | JeffM2501 | it was like 50% opacity |
| 07:13.44 | JeffM2501 | it was perty |
| 07:13.49 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 07:13.49 | JeffM2501 | but still a SOD |
| 07:14.03 | BenUrban | was it a screen or a window? |
| 07:14.18 | JeffM2501 | screen |
| 07:14.26 | JeffM2501 | mouse NFG right after it came up |
| 07:14.37 | BenUrban | nfg? |
| 07:14.49 | JeffM2501 | No F'ing Good |
| 07:14.54 | BenUrban | ah |
| 07:15.08 | BenUrban | is this in osx? |
| 07:15.14 | JeffM2501 | jup |
| 07:15.18 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 07:15.27 | JeffM2501 | 9 couldn't do transperancy to save it's life |
| 07:15.32 | BenUrban | heh |
| 07:15.38 | JeffM2501 | it was a crash |
| 07:15.40 | JeffM2501 | all computers get them |
| 07:15.42 | BenUrban | obviously x couldn't either :P |
| 07:15.50 | JeffM2501 | ohh it did it |
| 07:15.52 | JeffM2501 | just fine |
| 07:15.57 | JeffM2501 | just it was dead at the time |
| 07:15.58 | BenUrban | but it didn't save its life |
| 07:16.00 | BenUrban | lol |
| 07:16.07 | JeffM2501 | it's just software |
| 07:16.48 | BenUrban | unless it has some kickass hardware |
| 07:17.05 | JeffM2501 | the SOD |
| 07:17.11 | BenUrban | that literally makes the lcd transparent or something |
| 07:17.14 | JeffM2501 | was transpearnt over the desktop |
| 07:17.23 | JeffM2501 | screen not display |
| 07:17.38 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 07:17.42 | JeffM2501 | like when you use the dashboard |
| 07:17.54 | BenUrban | dashboard = that thing on tiger, right? |
| 07:18.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 07:18.04 | JeffM2501 | where else would it be? |
| 07:18.10 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 07:18.17 | JeffM2501 | one of "those" people |
| 07:18.33 | BenUrban | well i was hoping to be able to get it from my aun't new mini... |
| 07:18.36 | BenUrban | *aunt's |
| 07:18.43 | BenUrban | but it didn't come with it :( |
| 07:19.00 | JeffM2501 | if your going to steal it, then just download it |
| 07:19.12 | BenUrban | from where? |
| 07:19.20 | JeffM2501 | the interweb |
| 07:19.28 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways to steal software |
| 07:19.45 | BenUrban | i suppose... |
| 07:20.02 | BenUrban | btw it's not stealing |
| 07:20.05 | JeffM2501 | no supositon about it, it's fact :) |
| 07:20.10 | spldart | ahh.... download 7 now.. was hepcating again |
| 07:20.12 | JeffM2501 | yes it is, you are geting a licennse for your aunt |
| 07:20.20 | JeffM2501 | that does not mean you can use it too :) |
| 07:20.30 | BenUrban | indeed it does |
| 07:20.38 | BenUrban | it's between my aunt and me |
| 07:20.40 | JeffM2501 | the "Backup" thing dosn't work that way |
| 07:20.45 | BenUrban | umm |
| 07:20.52 | BenUrban | i'm talking about morality here |
| 07:20.59 | JeffM2501 | I'm talking LAW |
| 07:21.03 | BenUrban | laws don't matter |
| 07:21.09 | JeffM2501 | tell that to the cops |
| 07:21.12 | BenUrban | will do |
| 07:21.15 | spldart | cops don't matter |
| 07:21.16 | spldart | lol |
| 07:21.20 | JeffM2501 | not that the'd get ya for one |
| 07:21.36 | JeffM2501 | but if your gonna steal for what ever reason you chose, why wait for somone to get a disk |
| 07:21.40 | JeffM2501 | that is so 20th centry |
| 07:21.45 | spldart | cops and morals are two seperate things that SOMETIMES walk the same line |
| 07:21.49 | BenUrban | i live by my morals; nobody else's |
| 07:22.01 | JeffM2501 | then go download it |
| 07:22.05 | BenUrban | well i wasn't gonna go out of my way to do it |
| 07:22.28 | BenUrban | lol i'm much lazier than that |
| 07:22.30 | JeffM2501 | what are you on? |
| 07:22.31 | JeffM2501 | 10.3? |
| 07:22.47 | BenUrban | yeah my dad's comps run x.3 |
| 07:22.56 | JeffM2501 | ahhh "dad" |
| 07:22.59 | JeffM2501 | got it |
| 07:23.01 | JeffM2501 | your a kid |
| 07:23.05 | BenUrban | uhh |
| 07:23.06 | BenUrban | not quite |
| 07:23.06 | JeffM2501 | splains a lot |
| 07:23.07 | BenUrban | well |
| 07:23.18 | JeffM2501 | are you under 25? |
| 07:23.19 | purple_cow | BenUrban: do you live with your parents? |
| 07:23.26 | BenUrban | yes and yes |
| 07:23.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah your a kid |
| 07:23.41 | BenUrban | ok |
| 07:23.49 | JeffM2501 | you can get out early if you pass one of those 2 :) |
| 07:23.54 | BenUrban | lol |
| 07:23.54 | JeffM2501 | 17? |
| 07:23.59 | BenUrban | nah, 22 |
| 07:24.03 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 07:24.04 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: hehe |
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| 07:30.02 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: sorry, i don't actually fix things in bzflag anymore ;) |
| 07:30.29 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 07:30.34 | JeffM2501 | I can wish can't I? |
| 07:30.44 | JeffM2501 | I think you'l like the effect :) |
| 07:30.48 | JeffM2501 | stargate rings |
| 07:31.39 | ruskie | stargate rings!!!??!?!?!?!? |
| 07:31.42 | ruskie | where where??? |
| 07:31.49 | JeffM2501 | cvs |
| 07:31.50 | purple_cow | plus for some reason GL is broken on my desktop, and I haven't been motivated enough to figure out why |
| 07:31.51 | JeffM2501 | " |
| 07:32.00 | JeffM2501 | "ring" spawn effect type |
| 07:36.01 | spldart | I like the splosions |
| 07:36.27 | JeffM2501 | I don't |
| 07:36.40 | JeffM2501 | O |
| 07:36.55 | JeffM2501 | I'll work on em more tomorow, and add GM, rico, jump and land |
| 07:36.58 | JeffM2501 | see ya |
| 07:37.07 | spldart | see yah |
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| 07:37.50 | spldart | I think I'm going to go offline too... cyah guys. twas a fun evening of bzflaggin |
| 07:38.58 | purple_cow | heh |
| 07:39.02 | purple_cow | jeff's cute when he's inspired |
| 07:41.02 | ruskie | lol |
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| 07:48.47 | sniperiid | hy |
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| 09:38.37 | sniperiid | well |
| 09:38.45 | sniperiid | whats the blue base color? |
| 09:38.50 | sniperiid | color 3 ? |
| 09:38.53 | sniperiid | color 4? |
| 09:39.18 | sniperiid | pls.. i am not using bzedit |
| 09:41.52 | CBG | 0 = rogue, 1 = red, 2 = green, 3 = blue, 4 = purple, 5 = observer. |
| 09:42.01 | CBG | You cant have observer or rogue bases though... |
| 09:42.09 | CBG | or wait, maybe red is 0... :( |
| 09:42.22 | sniperiid | no red is 1 |
| 09:42.37 | CBG | ok, then 2 = green, 3 = blue, 4 = purple |
| 09:42.50 | sniperiid | ok |
| 09:43.07 | sniperiid | how i say ctf? |
| 09:43.13 | sniperiid | and how much players on a team |
| 09:43.18 | sniperiid | how much on a other one |
| 09:43.18 | sniperiid | pls |
| 09:43.39 | CBG | Okay... to run bzfs as ctf use -c |
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| 09:43.45 | jolie | wow* |
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| 09:43.52 | sniperiid | ok |
| 09:43.56 | sniperiid | and how much players? |
| 09:44.09 | CBG | to cay how many players per team use -mp rogue,red,green,blue,purple,observer |
| 09:44.20 | sniperiid | ok |
| 09:44.30 | CBG | like: if you want 1 rogue, 2 reds and greens and 3 observers it would be: |
| 09:44.37 | CBG | -mp 1,2,2,0,0,3 |
| 09:44.53 | CBG | or you could just say you want 8 players in total like this: -mp 8 |
| 09:45.14 | sniperiid | ok |
| 09:45.44 | CBG | Nor problem, maan. |
| 09:45.48 | sniperiid | :O |
| 09:46.53 | sniperiid | hm |
| 09:46.54 | sniperiid | i want |
| 09:47.01 | sniperiid | 0 rogues |
| 09:47.04 | sniperiid | 2 reds |
| 09:47.06 | sniperiid | 0 greens |
| 09:47.12 | sniperiid | 2 blues |
| 09:47.15 | sniperiid | 0 purples |
| 09:47.19 | sniperiid | 2 observers |
| 09:47.22 | sniperiid | how i do? |
| 09:47.29 | BearPerson | 0,2,0,2,0,2 |
| 09:47.34 | CBG | -mp 0,2,0,2,0,2 |
| 09:47.44 | sniperiid | ok |
| 09:48.11 | BearPerson | as the manpage would have told you in less time than asking here... ;-) |
| 09:48.25 | sniperiid | ;) |
| 09:48.30 | sniperiid | try joining my server |
| 09:48.42 | sniperiid | ~bzfquery bzflagsrv.servegame.org:5154 |
| 09:48.48 | sniperiid | :)) |
| 09:49.09 | CBG | ok. |
| 09:49.12 | sniperiid | :) |
| 09:49.20 | sniperiid | now im ocnnected with bzadmin.. |
| 09:50.54 | sniperiid | done |
| 10:00.01 | CBG | :) |
| 10:00.01 | sniperiid | :D |
| 10:00.20 | sniperiid | i cant change now because first i need change on my comp.. |
| 10:00.30 | CBG | the default is that tanks can just jump 18 so maybe make it like 15... |
| 10:00.33 | CBG | nok. |
| 10:00.35 | CBG | *ok. |
| 10:00.49 | sniperiid | well, how? |
| 10:00.57 | sniperiid | ah |
| 10:00.58 | CBG | in the map... |
| 10:01.04 | sniperiid | now i know what u mean.. |
| 10:01.09 | CBG | make the boxes under the base 15 units high |
| 10:01.15 | CBG | so you can jump up there ;) |
| 10:01.20 | sniperiid | yep |
| 10:02.12 | CBG | well, I have to go revise. cya later sniperiid. :) |
| 10:02.19 | sniperiid | k cya |
| 10:20.31 | sniperiid | who wants test my map/server? |
| 10:21.43 | sniperiid | ~bzfquery bzflagsrv.servegame.org:5154 |
| 10:22.01 | sniperiid | l |
| 10:22.03 | sniperiid | l |
| 10:22.09 | sniperiid | ok |
| 10:22.37 | sniperiid | l l = nothing ( i was just trying write ok ) |
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| 11:50.40 | sniperiid | tough, how i add an texture like http://sniper.armagetron.de/logo.png on a sphere/meshbox/meshpyr/cone ? |
| 11:52.05 | sniperiid | like : |
| 11:52.12 | sniperiid | material |
| 11:52.15 | sniperiid | ... |
| 11:52.17 | sniperiid | texture |
| 11:52.38 | sniperiid | texture http://sniper.armagetron.de/logo.png * |
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| 11:52.44 | sniperiid | ? |
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| 12:27.04 | hugh_ | So my bzflag on debian can't dirve the audio for some reason, but KDE does just fine. What do I type in to the BZFlag gui to tell it to use the artsd? |
| 12:49.28 | orchid | hugh_: you have tried "auto" I guess in the bzflag options? |
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| 14:20.11 | Grumbler | well, if it was a blue screen of death, then it wouldnt be a mac then |
| 14:26.18 | orchid | what color is the mac screen of death? |
| 14:29.42 | creeperz | orchid: black :-P |
| 14:30.28 | RichardRauch | hugh_: Are you using SDL? |
| 14:30.37 | RichardRauch | (For your bzflag build...) |
| 14:30.42 | Grumbler | JeffM2501 it was a screen of death |
| 14:30.42 | Grumbler | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.17 | RichardRauch | On NetBSD, I had a complete lack of sound. I was told that SDL should have everything required to find my sound, but that may not have been true. |
| 14:32.13 | RichardRauch | I eventually got it to work by indirect means: I first installed SDL-esound (an optional SDL audio package), but though SDL could then find the esd libraries, it seemed unable to talk to the esd daemon. |
| 14:32.26 | RichardRauch | I then tried nas, but had similar problems. |
| 14:33.02 | RichardRauch | Then, I cleared out the manual override of the audio driver (esd, nas, ...) and *now* bzflag says that it is using the "netbsd" driver. |
| 14:33.07 | RichardRauch | That last works. |
| 14:34.36 | RichardRauch | I don't know why bzflag/SDL couldn't find this before. I wouldn't think that SDL-esound or SDL-nas would affect SDL's ability to identify the default native sound support. |
| 14:35.25 | RichardRauch | ...so the short of it is that you may need, if using SDL, to fiddle with manual overrides and perhaps install optional SDL audio backends... |
| 14:35.27 | RichardRauch | (ramble) |
| 14:51.53 | Grumbler | nice ramble |
| 14:52.11 | Grumbler | ...at least it was on topic and somewhat informative |
| 14:58.25 | ruskie | hmm nice got 50 dead wood copies of my map now I just need to draw in the worldweapons and such and translet that to the wip map :) |
| 15:17.51 | Grumbler | did you put the curved corners in? |
| 15:18.00 | Grumbler | .....dont tell me you are slacking |
| 15:19.56 | creeperz | oh man, steam really doesnt like duplicate keys :-P |
| 15:20.18 | creeperz | it is litterally impossible to find a working counter strike key |
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| 15:28.03 | jolie | uhm.. |
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| 15:48.26 | Grumbler | netsplit, more like a net-get-the-heck-off |
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| 16:09.32 | sniperiid | hi |
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| 16:10.13 | jolie | heh |
| 16:12.58 | BearPerson | greeted with silence... and I almost think I know why |
| 16:40.42 | Grumbler | yeah man, take a bath once in a while......please...... |
| 16:44.08 | BearPerson | lol |
| 16:44.34 | jolie | BearPerson: ur losing... |
| 17:05.21 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/effectsRenderer.cxx: Capitalize the effect options. Name the "standard" spawn and shot effects ("Energy Fountain" and "Smoke Rings" respectively), feel free to change the names if you don't like them |
| 17:16.27 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/effectsRenderer.cxx: make effect adding more consistent |
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| 17:21.02 | ruskie | Grumbler, nope I didn't add those edges... and it's not because I'm lazy... I acctually like the edges that way :) |
| 17:21.22 | Grumbler | ruskie, well your wrong, do the curved corners :) |
| 17:21.50 | ruskie | why add unneeded complexity? |
| 17:25.19 | Grumbler | because it cleans the look and adds that extra dimension to the work |
| 17:25.57 | ruskie | what extra dimension? |
| 17:26.14 | Grumbler | gives it a small base in reality |
| 17:26.40 | ruskie | and makes the map so much more complex that it won't run anywhere... |
| 17:26.53 | Grumbler | nah |
| 17:27.04 | ruskie | prolly over a hundred of those would be needed to cover one floor of the map... |
| 17:27.32 | ruskie | the boxes alone are around 150 or so per floor |
| 17:27.37 | Grumbler | or just a mesh with a wall and a curved end... |
| 17:27.49 | Grumbler | scaled and stretched into place |
| 17:28.42 | Grumbler | hey, its your map man.........i am just grumbling |
| 17:29.38 | Grumbler | .....oh yeah, and it would be really cool if you had a place in the center with a budda |
| 17:30.47 | ruskie | buddha and shooting kinda don't fit togheter imo... |
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| 17:37.46 | Grumbler | ....it could be for the those no-shot servers out there |
| 17:38.28 | ruskie | are there such? |
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| 18:15.27 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (effectsRenderer.cxx effectsRenderer.h): muzzle flash shot effect |
| 18:16.26 | DTRemenak | I like that way better than the smoke rings :) |
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| 18:23.14 | Quol | hey there DTRemenak: how are ya? |
| 18:23.15 | DTRemenak | I'm doin' ok. how are you? |
| 18:23.48 | Quol | not bad, just fixing some of me stuff online here...yo been playing much |
| 18:24.03 | DTRemenak | not much, no |
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| 18:29.42 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/effectsRenderer.cxx: composite shot effect (muzzle flash + smoke ring simultaneously) |
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| 18:33.57 | DTRemenak | morning jeff |
| 18:34.18 | shorty114 | hi JeffM2501 |
| 18:34.58 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 18:36.13 | JeffM2501 | ahhh another day, more evil :) |
| 18:36.30 | DTRemenak | added a couple shot effects and restructured the effect-adding functions |
| 18:36.43 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:36.47 | JeffM2501 | how do they look? |
| 18:37.21 | DTRemenak | I like the muzzle flash effect, personally |
| 18:37.32 | DTRemenak | the other one is a combination of the muzzle flash and the smoke ring |
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| 18:49.33 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, nice email string.. lol |
| 18:49.50 | JeffM2501 | well people kept killing me on test servers |
| 18:50.15 | _Manu_ | :) i know.. effects looks nice |
| 18:51.49 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, damn is that muzzle flash small :) |
| 18:52.23 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: twice as big as it was originally...could still stand to be bigger I suppose :) |
| 18:52.51 | JeffM2501 | today I will make it so that the major shot types have there own effects |
| 18:52.56 | JeffM2501 | and do jump and land |
| 18:53.20 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 18:53.41 | _Manu_ | perhaps distracts a little.. but nice |
| 18:55.10 | JeffM2501 | you can turn em off |
| 18:55.14 | JeffM2501 | for yourself if you want |
| 18:55.17 | JeffM2501 | or for everyone |
| 18:56.19 | _Manu_ | yes i know |
| 18:56.38 | BearPerson | I already noticed the shot smoke actually helps |
| 18:56.55 | BearPerson | you can see someone behind a building, react faster when they shoot at you... |
| 18:57.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:57.27 | _Manu_ | and also is usefull for kill a Cloacked player.. a |
| 18:57.29 | _Manu_ | or a ST |
| 18:57.31 | JeffM2501 | just a visual hint for those who are observant :) |
| 18:58.03 | BearPerson | and the spawn animation makes you not see everything too clearnly when you spawn |
| 18:58.22 | JeffM2501 | depends on what one you have |
| 18:58.31 | JeffM2501 | you can leave others on, and just yours off |
| 18:58.40 | JeffM2501 | so that you can see where teamies and such spawn |
| 18:58.40 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/effectsRenderer.cxx: increase muzzle flash size (rad +50% len +33%) |
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| 19:01.08 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/effectsRenderer.cxx: oops, fix muzzle flash texcoords so both sides face the same way |
| 19:02.43 | BearPerson | lol |
| 19:03.27 | _Manu_ | just a little bug.. heh.. effect is not valid for SW |
| 19:03.39 | Dameon1 | hello again manu |
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| 19:03.42 | _Manu_ | hi |
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| 19:03.57 | _Manu_ | is correct when you shoot a bullet.. but not when fire SW |
| 19:04.23 | Dameon1 | Does teleportation get kicked yet? I'm looking for something to patch |
| 19:04.47 | BearPerson | where's the line between teleportation and lag/jitter? |
| 19:04.58 | _Manu_ | well i can add it to new version |
| 19:05.02 | Dameon1 | Its a fine line |
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| 19:05.09 | _Manu_ | but i need test it in 2.0.x at first |
| 19:05.31 | Dameon1 | It would have to exist as a threshold of distance between tank position updates |
| 19:05.48 | _Manu_ | well anti-cheat is really for speed but teleportation is like a big speed ;) |
| 19:05.59 | Dameon1 | Which would just have to be high enough a threshold not to be confused with lag. A server option |
| 19:06.10 | DTRemenak | _Manu_: SW will have its own effect when Jeff finishes :) |
| 19:06.16 | _Manu_ | and lag is not important for my anti-cheat |
| 19:06.24 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, heh nice :) |
| 19:06.25 | Dameon1 | Indeed. Does the speed anti-cheat check reported velocity or position updates? |
| 19:06.44 | _Manu_ | yes, it checks positions, times and track the last one |
| 19:06.55 | Dameon1 | AH. Teleportation shouldnt be an issue |
| 19:06.56 | _Manu_ | then calculate the true speed |
| 19:07.06 | BearPerson | can you work the timestamp/order # difference (if available) between the two position update packets in somehow? |
| 19:07.09 | _Manu_ | also detects when you teleported |
| 19:07.43 | _Manu_ | yes i used two times.. one is calculated by the server.. and the other is the reported by the client |
| 19:08.12 | Dameon1 | Gah. I need something to patch |
| 19:08.32 | Dameon1 | I do want to contribute somehow. Mostly to help my weak C++ |
| 19:08.51 | _Manu_ | I don't added to 2.0 because it seems like there aren't too much speedy cheaters.. |
| 19:09.00 | _Manu_ | and all the anti-cheats are really hacks |
| 19:09.28 | _Manu_ | the other anti cheat i didn't added was the angularity speed anti-cheat |
| 19:09.53 | Dameon1 | Until the server has a full view of the current state, yes they do appear very hack-like :) |
| 19:10.09 | BearPerson | Dameon1, you could try to concoct a lot of anti-cheats built into client-side |
| 19:10.20 | BearPerson | client can do collision detection |
| 19:10.38 | _Manu_ | yes, but the client is infected because his own lag and others |
| 19:10.39 | Dameon1 | BearPerson: I discussed that, but the devs dont like the idea |
| 19:10.44 | BearPerson | then you could have a "cheating probability" for every user... to be used in scoreboard sorting and adminning |
| 19:11.02 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, yes and a big probability for kick the honest player too |
| 19:11.03 | Dameon1 | There are many issues with it |
| 19:11.09 | BearPerson | I know... lag throws you way off... that's why I say "probability" |
| 19:11.31 | BearPerson | if someone's value is real high, I'd still suggest spectating them for a while to make sure |
| 19:11.33 | Dameon1 | BearPerson: Consider that such a voting system would have to break protocol compatibility |
| 19:12.00 | _Manu_ | i'm also testing the jitt kick.. because jitt is most of times worse than lag |
| 19:12.11 | BearPerson | Dameon1, where? |
| 19:12.25 | BearPerson | I was thinking of this purely client-side |
| 19:12.45 | BearPerson | has only effects on UI level in the end |
| 19:12.54 | Dameon1 | Without breaking compatibility between existing client and server, how do you expect to notify the server of probability? |
| 19:13.12 | BearPerson | why should the server want to know? |
| 19:13.22 | Dameon1 | BearPerson: Oh...you mean the admin's tracking it? |
| 19:13.27 | Dameon1 | *admins client |
| 19:13.31 | BearPerson | It's just probability... to enhance human judgement, never for automated processing |
| 19:13.34 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 19:13.40 | Dameon1 | Thats not a bad idea |
| 19:13.43 | BearPerson | basically the admin's "cheat" client |
| 19:14.10 | BearPerson | would of course eat a load of resources, but I for one could spare them |
| 19:14.13 | _Manu_ | also the admin client can cheat and put a bullet into the cheaters tank... lol.. but not good :/ |
| 19:14.27 | BearPerson | ? |
| 19:14.53 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, nevermind :) |
| 19:14.57 | Dameon1 | It would be nice if bzadmin could interact witht he game a little more |
| 19:15.08 | Dameon1 | SUch as spawning world weapons :) |
| 19:15.14 | BearPerson | lol |
| 19:15.29 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, how many times you see bullets throw tanks? |
| 19:15.40 | BearPerson | throw? |
| 19:15.47 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, yes.. |
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| 19:16.01 | _Manu_ | you see your bullet going throw the tank.. and still alive |
| 19:16.14 | BearPerson | usually only on laggers |
| 19:16.20 | _Manu_ | that's your point of see... but wat you see is not allways what others seen |
| 19:16.21 | Dameon1 | Manu: What do you think of an additional exchange during connection? Where the server sends optional features avilable, and the client sends optional features used? |
| 19:16.43 | _Manu_ | that's where your idea fails |
| 19:16.43 | Dameon1 | That would allow extra (non-critical) messages to be added without breaking compatibility |
| 19:16.47 | Teppic | Someone just had an 'unkillable'? |
| 19:17.28 | _Manu_ | the desired would be the server managed it.. but too expensive |
| 19:17.40 | BearPerson | you could at least modify your tank's size a bit... doubt anyone would notice it at all |
| 19:18.02 | BearPerson | then add a small patch to keep your lag at 200ms, and I doubt you get caught |
| 19:18.10 | _Manu_ | yes, of course and also your tank can fail detecting it |
| 19:18.23 | BearPerson | true |
| 19:18.38 | Dameon1 | I think an optional feature exchange as ive seen in many other protocols would help |
| 19:18.50 | Dameon1 | BearPerson: GOd mode is easy...Comment out one line |
| 19:19.00 | Dameon1 | Changing tank size is a little roundabout |
| 19:19.24 | BearPerson | "cheater" score goes up on laggers and on cheaters... as I said, just an asset to spotting them, never something to act on |
| 19:19.26 | _Manu_ | Dameon1, God mode is easy.. also to detect |
| 19:19.40 | BearPerson | yeah... 30-0 |
| 19:19.45 | Dameon1 | Really. Didnt think server tracked shots. |
| 19:19.57 | BearPerson | but admins track the scoreboard ;-) |
| 19:20.07 | _Manu_ | that's why games admins exists |
| 19:20.09 | Teppic | Can anyone suggest a sensible value for _rainDensity pls, my gfx card is pretty powerfull and I don't want to kill ppls frame rates. |
| 19:20.11 | Dameon1 | Im talking of automated detection and kicking |
| 19:20.52 | Dameon1 | in an ideal scenario admins wouldnt have to be there constantly to detect obvious cheats that should be patched |
| 19:22.39 | BearPerson | I'm talking about helping admins notice possible not-so-obvious cheats |
| 19:24.04 | Dameon1 | Server is supposedly authorative. And yet its not. Thats the problem |
| 19:24.22 | Dameon1 | God mode isnt a problem if the server sends the killed messages.... |
| 19:24.25 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar (~foo@wegstar.user.allegro) |
| 19:24.30 | Dameon1 | same with other vccheats |
| 19:24.37 | BearPerson | but then the server has to detect it |
| 19:24.46 | Dameon1 | Like it should |
| 19:25.04 | Dameon1 | If this is supposed to be a client-server game, then the server should be authoritave |
| 19:25.05 | BearPerson | I guess we have enough computing power nowadays |
| 19:25.32 | Dameon1 | As far as online games go |
| 19:25.36 | Dameon1 | Bzflag is a holdout |
| 19:25.56 | Dameon1 | Ive looked at many...the server is always supposed to be authoritave |
| 19:25.59 | BearPerson | bzflag is blossoming out from a homewritten stadium |
| 19:26.17 | Dameon1 | In our case the server is a message relay with *some* sanity checks |
| 19:26.18 | _Manu_ | as the games is, adding some things requieres big changes |
| 19:26.22 | BearPerson | in the early days, people were probably happy they had collision detection at all, and didn't care where |
| 19:26.30 | Dameon1 | THe year is 2005. |
| 19:27.46 | Dameon1 | Manu: In a coming release, it would be very beneficial to fix the netcode so that the server is the authority |
| 19:28.01 | Dameon1 | Such as having server maintain the state and sending endshots and kills |
| 19:28.02 | BearPerson | beneficial to what? |
| 19:28.07 | Dameon1 | Everyone |
| 19:28.08 | _Manu_ | Dameon1, is not only the net code |
| 19:28.11 | BearPerson | developer motivation? |
| 19:28.26 | BearPerson | anything else getting done? the release getting out at all? ;-) |
| 19:29.05 | Dameon1 | Manu: Ive spent some time looking at the code. What Im refering to by netcode is the way messages are handled and from where they originate |
| 19:29.09 | Dameon1 | WHich is broad |
| 19:29.35 | _Manu_ | yes.. udp packets are slack.. |
| 19:29.36 | Dameon1 | We need a heavy rewrite of parts of the client and server so that the client doesnt make the decisions it is making now |
| 19:29.49 | BearPerson | "I think on the next release the linux kernel developers should split the whole kernel into many stand-alone submodules for a microkernel linux" |
| 19:30.11 | Dameon1 | BearPerson: Ouch |
| 19:30.33 | Dameon1 | However, in this case, Im talking about something reasonable and worthwhile :/ |
| 19:30.38 | BearPerson | :) |
| 19:31.03 | Dameon1 | Manu: What do you say to a feature negotiation when a client connects? |
| 19:31.15 | Dameon1 | So that messages can be added without breaking protocol |
| 19:31.36 | JeffM2501 | Dameon1, you'd still need a client that support the feature |
| 19:31.37 | Dameon1 | Although eventually some of these optiopnal items would become required |
| 19:31.55 | ruskie | BearPerson, well would be nice if they did that eventually I guess... :) |
| 19:31.55 | JeffM2501 | so who cares if the proto is difrent or the same |
| 19:32.04 | _Manu_ | Dameon1, can happens many things when a client connects.. also is slack :( |
| 19:32.34 | JeffM2501 | your just making the test be longer and harder then a simple string compare |
| 19:32.35 | _Manu_ | Dameon1, and there are some exploits out there .( |
| 19:32.44 | Dameon1 | JeffM2501: Im saying in a future release, add the negotiation so that messages not critical to the gameplay but worthwile could exist without forcing upgrades |
| 19:33.07 | JeffM2501 | Dameon1, we do that right now |
| 19:33.17 | JeffM2501 | client and server ignore messages the don't know about |
| 19:33.18 | Dameon1 | hmmm? |
| 19:33.29 | JeffM2501 | I'm doing it now with play sound messages |
| 19:33.31 | Dameon1 | Heh. THats one way |
| 19:33.47 | Dameon1 | DOes the server relay them to other clients...? |
| 19:33.49 | _Manu_ | the client only get the data he knows |
| 19:34.13 | JeffM2501 | depends on the feature |
| 19:34.25 | JeffM2501 | some require the client to tell the server "I support this" |
| 19:34.30 | JeffM2501 | some are just sent and ignored |
| 19:34.36 | JeffM2501 | depends on the frequency |
| 19:34.36 | ruskie | hmmm is there a nice cloacking sound and effect yet? i.e. star trek like? |
| 19:34.50 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, have you made one? |
| 19:35.09 | Dameon1 | jeffm2501: There are some issues with dropping packets that arent known |
| 19:35.20 | JeffM2501 | Dameon1, ? |
| 19:35.29 | JeffM2501 | not all messages are UDP |
| 19:35.35 | Dameon1 | For one, its a waste of bandwidth |
| 19:35.37 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, that about... the world is not ready for the ninja star was nice ;) |
| 19:35.45 | JeffM2501 | that is why it's based on freqency |
| 19:35.49 | Dameon1 | Heh |
| 19:35.52 | JeffM2501 | stuff that is sent a LOT of , the client has to support |
| 19:35.54 | BearPerson | only when the other end is too stupid to notice it isn't supported |
| 19:35.59 | JeffM2501 | stuff that is just a once shot, is sent and ignored |
| 19:36.02 | JeffM2501 | sice it's not important |
| 19:36.03 | Dameon1 | But to my knowledge there isnt any negotiation about optional packets |
| 19:36.12 | JeffM2501 | noyb, beause there isn't any NEED to |
| 19:36.20 | JeffM2501 | and your knowledge isn't comlplete :) |
| 19:36.39 | Dameon1 | Did I ever hint on the fact that it was |
| 19:36.57 | JeffM2501 | we break proto for VERY specific reasons |
| 19:37.02 | JeffM2501 | mostly 1) to make people upgrade |
| 19:37.16 | JeffM2501 | and 2) so we know they have a certan cleint side logic |
| 19:37.54 | _Manu_ | and also... because new features requires it.. :) |
| 19:37.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:38.03 | JeffM2501 | some features are NOT optional |
| 19:38.04 | DTRemenak | even bugfixes sometimes require it |
| 19:38.24 | JeffM2501 | so the negotitaion is kind of moot, since it can't take care of those reasons |
| 19:38.27 | DTRemenak | there are a couple bugs from 2.0.0 hanging around still because fixing them would break inter-client compatibility |
| 19:38.40 | JeffM2501 | and for the other reasons, we are doing a form of it that works out ok. |
| 19:38.46 | JeffM2501 | it's just not formalised |
| 19:39.04 | Dameon1 | Id say that protocol version is much different from optional or additional messages |
| 19:39.38 | Dameon1 | Say that I wanted to add a message type that would allow bzadmin to reboot the server.... |
| 19:39.49 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 19:39.50 | JeffM2501 | add it |
| 19:40.00 | _Manu_ | you can now do it ;) |
| 19:40.05 | JeffM2501 | old servers would ignore it |
| 19:40.09 | DTRemenak | server will handle it if it knows how, drop it if it doesn't |
| 19:40.10 | JeffM2501 | new servers would reboot |
| 19:40.23 | JeffM2501 | old bzadmin clients would never send it |
| 19:40.26 | JeffM2501 | it would JUST WORK |
| 19:41.19 | Dameon1 | Is it such a good idea to break compatibility with unpatched clients by changing protocol version? No. You dont want to change protocol version. Do you want the server to drop it and not tell you? Most undesired. In the case of a simple negotiation of such features, bzadmin would know if the server supported it and in the event that it didnt would tell you with a meaningful message |
| 19:41.43 | Dameon1 | Now of course you cant add core game logic as optional extended features |
| 19:41.47 | Dameon1 | Because its not optional |
| 19:41.48 | JeffM2501 | your negotiaion would just give you a nice way to know if they didn't support it |
| 19:41.49 | JeffM2501 | that's all |
| 19:42.01 | DTRemenak | and it would do that at the cost of time and bandwidth |
| 19:42.10 | JeffM2501 | a simple repply of "dude I dono" on both would do the sam ething |
| 19:42.51 | BearPerson | actually that could be put in right now and JUST WORK |
| 19:42.57 | DTRemenak | network negotiation is not worth the added complexity |
| 19:43.03 | BearPerson | when new clients/servers are a tad intelligent ;-) |
| 19:43.13 | JeffM2501 | for such a simple feature that few will get benifit out of |
| 19:43.14 | Dameon1 | I'm sure that the extra few bytes would really flood the connection. And an extra lag * 2 (maybe half a second) delay when logging on? |
| 19:43.23 | JeffM2501 | but what does it add? |
| 19:43.28 | JeffM2501 | an error message? |
| 19:43.32 | BearPerson | I mean... an old client/server that doesn't understand the "dono" packet would just drop it noiselessly :) |
| 19:43.33 | JeffM2501 | that would be the only difrence |
| 19:43.59 | Dameon1 | Alright then. Not my project |
| 19:44.19 | JeffM2501 | it's a valid idea that was worth dicussing tho |
| 19:45.00 | BearPerson | I just suppose we're getting more pragmatic than idealistic by now |
| 19:45.39 | JeffM2501 | well network gaming isn't rocket science |
| 19:45.40 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 19:45.50 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 19:46.06 | Dameon1 | Neither is SMTP. But negotiation of extensions has certainly paid off :) |
| 19:46.34 | JeffM2501 | Dameon1, and SMTP isn't a game, it requires backwards and forwareds compatability |
| 19:46.37 | DTRemenak | smtp extensions are not cumulative over time, because of vendor fragmentation |
| 19:46.38 | JeffM2501 | bzflag does not |
| 19:46.54 | JeffM2501 | bzflag specificly disallows compatability |
| 19:47.13 | DTRemenak | if they were cumulative (like bzflag is), then it would be much easier to just say "hey I'm this new how new are you" and go from that |
| 19:47.59 | Dameon1 | I see your point. It might be more of an issue if there were more outside efforts to extend the game |
| 19:48.22 | Dameon1 | (such as if hepcat created a new gametype) |
| 19:48.43 | Dameon1 | In that case however that would be a "required" optional feature |
| 19:49.13 | Dameon1 | to join |
| 19:49.18 | DTRemenak | so clients which didn't support it couldn't join anyway...may as well just bump protocol version |
| 19:49.33 | BearPerson | could you? |
| 19:49.34 | Dameon1 | True. Bad example :) |
| 19:49.53 | BearPerson | then new clients couldn't connect on "old" servers, could they? |
| 19:50.10 | DTRemenak | BearPerson: sure they could, with a little extra code |
| 19:50.16 | _Manu_ | well that's like a version change.. 1.10 clients can't play 2.0 |
| 19:51.01 | JeffM2501 | why are people so insitant on new clients on old servers? |
| 19:51.06 | JeffM2501 | a game is not a word processor |
| 19:51.08 | Dameon1 | It would be nice to take a page from Unreal engine...allow automatic downloading of scripts which can among other things define game typpes |
| 19:51.19 | JeffM2501 | Dameon1, are you kidding? |
| 19:51.24 | JeffM2501 | in open source |
| 19:51.26 | Dameon1 | Not in the slightest |
| 19:51.28 | JeffM2501 | hope you like geting hacked |
| 19:51.37 | JeffM2501 | I'm not allowing unknown mallicous code on my system |
| 19:51.40 | Dameon1 | A python sandbox? Please |
| 19:51.45 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 19:51.51 | JeffM2501 | would be to easy to make a cheat server |
| 19:51.58 | JeffM2501 | tain't gonna happen |
| 19:52.38 | JeffM2501 | it's been discussed before |
| 19:52.44 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: could be handled the same way as texture downloads, via ACL |
| 19:52.54 | Dameon1 | The exact same applies to unreal. The script code is harmless, but if used to ruin gameplay the server simply isnt very popular :/ |
| 19:53.02 | JeffM2501 | but if tis' a script, its logic, it would have to be required |
| 19:53.06 | Dameon1 | but on the flipside people would be able to create gametypes just as textures, models, and maps |
| 19:53.09 | JeffM2501 | textures are easy to make option |
| 19:53.22 | JeffM2501 | Dameon1, better would be to put all the logic server side |
| 19:53.27 | JeffM2501 | and just send event data to the cleints |
| 19:53.34 | JeffM2501 | the client dosn't have to know crap about the "game" |
| 19:54.09 | JeffM2501 | then allow the game to be defined as a server side plugin |
| 19:54.19 | JeffM2501 | then the only person deaking ith unknonw code is the server |
| 19:54.31 | Dameon1 | JeffM2501: The unreal engine has a system of the script existing on both client and server. Its interesting really...while it executes on both, the servers view overrides that of the client. Variables and certain functions are replicated |
| 19:54.38 | Dameon1 | THough bzflag is a much simpler scenario. |
| 19:54.44 | JeffM2501 | I know how UT works |
| 19:54.58 | JeffM2501 | but it has a trust relationship with a server that we are not willing to maintain |
| 19:55.00 | Dameon1 | You are right...extensions on the server side would be just as well in the case of bzf |
| 19:55.10 | Dameon1 | UT has little or no client trust |
| 19:55.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:55.21 | Dameon1 | Be back lata |
| 19:55.23 | JeffM2501 | you can NEVER trust a client |
| 19:55.23 | *** part/#bzflag Dameon1 (Dameon@cpe-24-167-19-25.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 19:56.34 | DTRemenak | doing a little bit of homework before coming here would have helped him out a lot |
| 19:56.57 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 19:57.48 | DTRemenak | maybe that's just the way I like doing things, but I think it is much nicer to know what I'm talking about when I start talking :) |
| 19:57.52 | JeffM2501 | we need a list of "stuff we have thought about and won't do" |
| 19:57.53 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, that's ok but the fact is... we are trusting clients.... and this must change |
| 19:58.24 | JeffM2501 | _Manu_, everyone knows that except 1 person :) |
| 19:58.32 | DTRemenak | _Manu_: push Tim to branch 2.0 off and start working on 2.1 :) |
| 19:58.46 | _Manu_ | :) you are bad |
| 19:59.00 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: everyone knows it, actually |
| 19:59.13 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 19:59.16 | JeffM2501 | he's just crumjonly |
| 19:59.31 | DTRemenak | just 1 person likes the "not my job" mentality :) |
| 20:00.00 | JeffM2501 | it's his personal ideom |
| 20:00.02 | DTRemenak | actually more than 1, I dunno anyone who actually is working on it |
| 20:00.03 | _Manu_ | well things are changing.. prehaps slowly but changing |
| 20:00.32 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: how much more are you planning to do with the effects system? |
| 20:00.42 | DTRemenak | I'd like to get 2.0.4 done sometime soon here :) |
| 20:01.05 | JeffM2501 | so disable it and tag :) |
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| 20:01.16 | DTRemenak | I don't think so, it's too cool. I can wait :) |
| 20:01.25 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 20:01.36 | JeffM2501 | I'm in the middle of some stuff now, I'll work on it later today |
| 20:01.41 | DTRemenak | just wondering whether this is a week-long project or a month-long one :) |
| 20:02.11 | JeffM2501 | day more probalby |
| 20:02.20 | DTRemenak | ah, coolness |
| 20:06.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/BUGS: ares works fine on windows |
| 20:06.42 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~jeffm@JeffM2501.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) |
| 20:06.42 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 20:07.22 | Grumbler | i'll take odds on a month |
| 20:07.51 | JeffM2501 | what do you think it shold look like |
| 20:07.55 | JeffM2501 | dragons and fantasy? |
| 20:08.00 | CBG | lol... |
| 20:08.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/BUGS: haven't seen false "player destroyed by server" messages in ages. if anyone has, revert this. |
| 20:08.15 | CBG | I don;t think of bz as a sci-fi game. |
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| 20:08.40 | CBG | There are no aliens or spaceships which is what sci-fi means to me... |
| 20:08.53 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, false "player destroyed by server" what do you mean? |
| 20:09.04 | JeffM2501 | then dude you need to read a LOT more science fiction :) |
| 20:09.16 | CBG | That's irrelevant... |
| 20:09.22 | JeffM2501 | then turn em off |
| 20:09.35 | JeffM2501 | and never use a TP |
| 20:09.35 | CBG | to me, scifi = space and aliens, and that spawn thing = to me scifi... |
| 20:09.39 | JeffM2501 | or fire a laser |
| 20:09.42 | CBG | But as you said, I can turn it off. |
| 20:09.44 | Grumbler | you could go for downtown osaka at night.....with billboards and lots of women in short skirts... :) |
| 20:09.49 | CBG | Lasers are not scifi |
| 20:09.56 | DTRemenak | _Manu_: player x kills player y, player z gets "player y destroyed by server" instead of "player y killed by player x" |
| 20:09.58 | CBG | You don't have laser eye surgery in the US? |
| 20:10.01 | CBG | Did anyone see my Mr Bean suggestion? |
| 20:10.06 | _Manu_ | ah.. right |
| 20:10.20 | DTRemenak | was a very common bug in late 1.11.x's and 2.0.0 |
| 20:10.26 | _Manu_ | yes.. it's fixed.. |
| 20:10.31 | DTRemenak | coolio |
| 20:10.54 | DTRemenak | and thanks :) |
| 20:11.04 | _Manu_ | also for tkers.. now the killed get the right message too |
| 20:11.44 | _Manu_ | but i still wonder why sometimes i got killed by the server with no reason :/ |
| 20:11.59 | ruskie | maybe the server doesn't like you |
| 20:12.08 | DTRemenak | landmines? |
| 20:12.14 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/BUGS: flags not showing on scoreboard is fixed |
| 20:12.15 | _Manu_ | no.. i saw it some times not only to me |
| 20:12.15 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.20 | _Manu_ | no, i'm protected |
| 20:12.30 | _Manu_ | and nobody executed kill |
| 20:13.08 | _Manu_ | at first i thought about some kind of cheat.. or a server failure.. who nows! :/ |
| 20:13.14 | _Manu_ | s/nows/knows |
| 20:13.44 | BearPerson | DTRemenak, seen the false messages... but not sure if those can be fixed |
| 20:13.52 | BearPerson | when someone TKs with geno |
| 20:14.02 | _Manu_ | but nobody shooted me.. and i got killed by the server :( |
| 20:14.16 | BearPerson | sometimes, the first kills go out, the guy gets TK-kicked, the other kill messages come in |
| 20:14.32 | BearPerson | those later messages get "destroyed by server" when the killing player has left |
| 20:14.33 | DTRemenak | BearPerson: should say "Killed by UNKNOWN" not "Killed by server" |
| 20:14.41 | BearPerson | they say "killed by server" |
| 20:14.53 | BearPerson | seen it a few times lately |
| 20:14.59 | DTRemenak | patches welcome |
| 20:15.03 | BearPerson | lol |
| 20:15.08 | BearPerson | well, you were asking ;-) |
| 20:15.11 | DTRemenak | not the same bug I just removed though :) |
| 20:15.25 | BearPerson | good :) |
| 20:15.56 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, last times i saw a player tking both teams the messages were right |
| 20:16.07 | BearPerson | hmm? |
| 20:16.20 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/TODO: ares works on windows |
| 20:16.46 | _Manu_ | the genocide player was kicked, but all the messages were correct.. showing the tker callsign |
| 20:17.49 | BearPerson | when did the "player left" message arrive? after the kill messages? |
| 20:18.07 | BearPerson | because on my system it's nicely before/after the left thing |
| 20:18.58 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, no.. kicked after the first two killed message |
| 20:19.08 | _Manu_ | ~ |
| 20:19.33 | ruskie | hmmm should do -echo logs as well... |
| 20:20.58 | BearPerson | mine are almost 1MB already |
| 20:21.26 | BearPerson | got one |
| 20:21.49 | _Manu_ | in vipers server? |
| 20:23.03 | BearPerson | http://pastebin.ca/14150 |
| 20:23.05 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 20:23.49 | BearPerson | don't think it was more than 2-3 weeks ago at the very most |
| 20:23.51 | _Manu_ | yes, really.. |
| 20:24.17 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/LocalPlayer.cxx: ws |
| 20:25.00 | _Manu_ | a quick fix is changing the "destroyed by the server" for a "destroyed by a kicked player" lol |
| 20:25.27 | _Manu_ | yes, the server lost the player name.. |
| 20:25.44 | BearPerson | what was "destroyed by a (GHOST)" again btw? |
| 20:26.23 | _Manu_ | the same... Tupone changed the "UNKNOWN" by the "GHOST" |
| 20:26.27 | _Manu_ | iirc |
| 20:26.42 | _Manu_ | Tupone, you can correct me ;) |
| 20:26.52 | DTRemenak | destroyed by the server is valid in some situations. e.g. death drivers |
| 20:26.54 | Tupone | me ? :) you smoked ? |
| 20:27.37 | BearPerson | "If God had meant us to smoke, He would have set us on fire." |
| 20:28.01 | _Manu_ | Tupone, then i don't recall correctly... :/ |
| 20:28.17 | _Manu_ | but i remember it was changed in 1.11 |
| 20:28.19 | Tupone | joking, I don't remember what I eat 6 hour s ago |
| 20:28.28 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 20:28.50 | _Manu_ | well.. perhaps was another Tupone.. hehe |
| 20:47.00 | JeffM2501 | Tupone-Too, ok so now what was I going to do, jump, land, rico, gm smoke, other shots, and what else? |
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| 20:50.26 | JeffM2501 | not you, the "other Tupone" |
| 20:50.27 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 20:50.43 | JeffM2501 | tho did you change automake recently? |
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| 20:50.48 | JeffM2501 | cus I can't build on the mac anymore |
| 20:50.51 | ruskie | http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/06/08/136214 <-- hmmm |
| 20:51.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's a common thing now |
| 20:51.31 | Tupone | have you cleaned your directory |
| 20:51.45 | JeffM2501 | major revisions mean new archetetures |
| 20:51.50 | JeffM2501 | Tupone I will try |
| 20:52.06 | JeffM2501 | ok I will try if you tell me how :) |
| 20:52.13 | Tupone | rm -rf |
| 20:52.21 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 20:52.25 | JeffM2501 | like totaly blow it out? |
| 20:52.37 | Tupone | try make distclean |
| 20:52.42 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: that sounds good (list of effects) |
| 20:52.53 | JeffM2501 | Anita:~ jeffm$ make distclean |
| 20:52.53 | JeffM2501 | make: *** No rule to make target `distclean'. Stop. |
| 20:53.10 | Tupone | find . -name Makefile.in | xargs rm |
| 20:53.23 | JeffM2501 | naw let me get cleanb |
| 20:53.30 | JeffM2501 | I have "messed" with some things |
| 20:53.32 | DTRemenak | make maintainer-clean |
| 20:53.58 | Tupone | if distclean does not work, I guess maintainer-clean does too |
| 20:54.57 | JeffM2501 | new clean tree is coming down now |
| 20:55.11 | JeffM2501 | I ran fink and made sure I had latest autoconf and automake |
| 20:57.17 | Tupone | you just need a cleanup, 'cause configure.in -> configure.ac |
| 20:57.31 | Tupone | well, if you get the last should not hurt |
| 20:58.02 | JeffM2501 | hmm get a bunch of "THING is obsolete" message |
| 20:58.11 | JeffM2501 | but autogen run |
| 20:58.42 | Tupone | don't worry. Just a remind of things to fix when it comes the time |
| 21:00.02 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:00.08 | JeffM2501 | when the time of the great culling happens? |
| 21:02.38 | JeffM2501 | looo and the skys did burn with linux, and the code was a black as sackcloth |
| 21:04.01 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, ahh good I see you cleaned up the lame use of 2 variables in the "add" functions :) |
| 21:04.06 | DTRemenak | yuppers :) |
| 21:04.15 | DTRemenak | and all of the add functions are much more similar now |
| 21:04.18 | JeffM2501 | I was really tired :) |
| 21:04.40 | JeffM2501 | did you see that I added my own meny? |
| 21:04.42 | DTRemenak | if you need to call any special functions for particular effects you can always cast the effect |
| 21:04.42 | JeffM2501 | menu? |
| 21:04.48 | DTRemenak | yeah, I saw the new item :) |
| 21:04.58 | JeffM2501 | I was so proud of myself :) |
| 21:05.06 | DTRemenak | not so hard, is it? :) |
| 21:05.31 | JeffM2501 | CTRL+C; CTRL+V |
| 21:05.34 | JeffM2501 | no I think I can handle that |
| 21:05.47 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 21:08.24 | JeffM2501 | code got a lot cleaner when I moved all the geometry to the utils to |
| 21:08.30 | DTRemenak | yeah I bet |
| 21:08.36 | JeffM2501 | tho that code can be optimised |
| 21:08.43 | JeffM2501 | no need to do the sine/cos every time |
| 21:08.51 | JeffM2501 | and strips would be better then quads |
| 21:09.20 | JeffM2501 | segments should probably be passed in too |
| 21:09.29 | JeffM2501 | may be good to increase segements as they get larger |
| 21:09.35 | BearPerson | kindof an (i imagine) pretty resource-saving way for a very nice effect |
| 21:09.50 | JeffM2501 | geo is geo |
| 21:09.53 | JeffM2501 | so it's all resouces |
| 21:10.02 | JeffM2501 | you can only do so much with billborads |
| 21:10.42 | DTRemenak | Tupone: fwiw mingw/msys build works fine with the changes |
| 21:11.03 | Tupone | good ... I haven't tested |
| 21:11.09 | JeffM2501 | good lord how do you all live with these slow build times? |
| 21:11.13 | JeffM2501 | the mac is STILLL building |
| 21:11.14 | Tupone | cleaning before? yes ? |
| 21:11.46 | JeffM2501 | mac is on a new dir |
| 21:11.49 | JeffM2501 | it's building now |
| 21:11.51 | JeffM2501 | but damn |
| 21:12.02 | JeffM2501 | VC'd be done with a full build way before this |
| 21:12.15 | DTRemenak | Tupone: fresh install of msys and fresh checkout of bzflag |
| 21:12.23 | Tupone | yeah |
| 21:12.40 | Tupone | have you ever tested cross-build? |
| 21:13.05 | DTRemenak | no, sorry |
| 21:13.14 | DTRemenak | have not installed xbuild tools |
| 21:13.19 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/README.MINGW32: mention that little thing called libcurl that's now required |
| 21:14.33 | Tupone | DTRemenak: better try to build libcurl your-self with c-ares enabled |
| 21:14.46 | DTRemenak | I have been building myself |
| 21:14.52 | DTRemenak | haven't looked at enabling ares yet |
| 21:14.53 | Tupone | with cares? |
| 21:15.01 | Tupone | I mean --enable-cares |
| 21:15.36 | DTRemenak | need to try to do that with VC to get a dist dll :S |
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| 21:17.17 | Tupone | if you follow the README.XMINGW, removing the x-build .. you could do |
| 21:17.21 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, it's an "energy blosom" not a fountan :) |
| 21:17.29 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: cool, change it :) |
| 21:17.40 | DTRemenak | I just looked at it and thought "that looks like a fountain" |
| 21:18.11 | DTRemenak | and it's "blossom" if you want to spell right :) |
| 21:21.11 | ruskie | checking for artificial intelligence for bz's robots... not found <-- this is the message I most like in bzflags configure :) |
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| 21:29.38 | Tupone | DTRemenak: have you looked at the directory package? are there things used/useful? |
| 21:31.27 | Tupone | install.linux is unchanged since 2002/03/02 |
| 21:35.25 | DTRemenak | directory package? |
| 21:35.31 | DTRemenak | oh, package |
| 21:35.34 | DTRemenak | dur |
| 21:36.18 | DTRemenak | the win32 stuff is used |
| 21:36.45 | DTRemenak | package/mac appears to be os9 stuff |
| 21:37.31 | DTRemenak | package/rpm is not used |
| 21:37.47 | DTRemenak | dunno about linux or irix |
| 21:37.52 | DTRemenak | I'd guess that the irix stuff is still good |
| 21:46.41 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/EffectsMenu.cxx: ws |
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| 21:51.19 | JeffM2501 | bahhh |
| 21:51.29 | JeffM2501 | confict making ws commits :) |
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| 21:53.03 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (7 files in 2 dirs): add effect for when tanks "land" |
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| 22:16.23 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/EffectsMenu.cxx: ws |
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| 22:17.05 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (effectsRenderer.cxx effectsRenderer.h): refactor RingSpawnEffect to reduce code duplication |
| 22:20.45 | wegstar | ??? timeBombString() |
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| 23:01.20 | GvzEvxre | wegstar: early windows versions were shareware/timelimited. not been used or tested in a long time. |
| 23:01.55 | wegstar | interesting... |
| 23:02.10 | RichardRauch | Oh, they were? |
| 23:02.38 | RichardRauch | Heh. UNIX environments look better every day! (^& |
| 23:03.21 | menotume | YAY, my scoreboard works again (after re-writing hunt-slection logic) |
| 23:03.54 | GvzEvxre | RichardRauch: meaning the win32 bzflag releases were time limited. as I said, that's not been the case for a veryh long time. Perhaps 1.7c or so was time limited? |
| 23:07.16 | menotume | is there any 'feel' fro when 2.0.3 might be released? where are we in the cycle? |
| 23:07.33 | Tupone | :( |
| 23:08.01 | menotume | smile, tupy ! |
| 23:08.08 | wegstar | bleh... |
| 23:08.47 | wegstar | linker errors when I remove the "xx" 's from the Makefile |
| 23:08.58 | wegstar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.00 | wegstar | here's one |
| 23:09.15 | wegstar | and another: |
| 23:09.17 | wegstar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.42 | wegstar | :( |
| 23:13.47 | GvzEvxre | menotume: 2.0.3 won't be "released". it'll be 2.0.4 =) |
| 23:14.03 | menotume | ahhh, ok |
| 23:14.11 | menotume | let me put it this way... |
| 23:14.27 | menotume | I added a scoreboard sort option, and re-wrote the hunt-slection logic |
| 23:14.34 | menotume | i have tested it, but not 100% |
| 23:14.38 | GvzEvxre | automake/autoconf issues are in progress. need to resolve those and see what else is around to justify a new release. |
| 23:14.58 | menotume | ok, I'm windering if I should commit |
| 23:22.44 | menotume | just change the BUILD instructions .... ./autogen.sh 2> /dev/null :p |
| 23:23.35 | Tupone | for a "clean" autogen is enough to remove -warning=all from it |
| 23:24.07 | Tupone | I put that just for remind. If we release in this state, better remove |
| 23:25.33 | menotume | ahhhh |
| 23:32.27 | wizart | hmm. |
| 23:32.30 | wizart | about the hunt |
| 23:32.55 | wizart | nI don't think it's fair that the one who has the highest score anyway gets to be the rabbit. |
| 23:34.02 | wizart | I've even seen tanks getting into possition to shot at another because they know they will become the rabbit. |
| 23:34.13 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/SegmentedShotStrategy.cxx: Fixing Tiny tank shooting from the wall. Not sure if that is kool :( |
| 23:34.29 | Tupone | wizart, that is a server owner choice |
| 23:34.37 | RichardRauch | There's alterante algorithms for choosing the rabbit. |
| 23:34.41 | Tupone | he can have 3 out of 1 |
| 23:34.52 | RichardRauch | One choice is random, the other is the rabbit killer becomes the rabbit. |
| 23:34.53 | wizart | ah. ok. then forget i mentioned it- |
| 23:35.04 | wizart | Will have to complain to the admins then |
| 23:35.08 | RichardRauch | (^& |
| 23:40.21 | menotume | OK!~ Who put the funny rings around the shots ? :) |
| 23:40.30 | wegstar | :D |
| 23:41.03 | wegstar | ../Dev-C++/ObstacleSceneNodeGenerator.o: ../src/obstacle/ObstacleSceneNodeGenerator.cxx xx ../include/ObstacleSceneNodeGenerator.h |
| 23:41.24 | wegstar | if I get rid of those xx's it results in a linker error :( |
| 23:41.30 | wegstar | help :( |
| 23:43.33 | menotume | eeep, i can't see a thing when my team respawns after flag-cap. Ow, my eyes :p |
| 23:43.54 | blast007 | menotume: heh |
| 23:44.53 | menotume | ahh, all configurable, kewl |
| 23:47.04 | menotume | ok, here's a dumb question ..... what does 'ws' mean in a commit comment ? |
| 23:52.16 | RichardRauch | menotume: I don't know, offhand, but since no one is answering I can take a guess...can you show a sample of context for the "ws"? |
| 23:52.55 | menotume | no context, just says "ws". i've seen it use a lot. It's probably obvious :) |
| 23:53.15 | RichardRauch | You mean that that is the *whole* commit comment? |
| 23:53.18 | menotume | yes |
| 23:54.15 | RichardRauch | Hm. Not exactly a convention that I'm familiar with...(^& |
| 23:55.03 | RichardRauch | Is it possible that it's the initials of a developer? (Do all of those occurances come from the same developer?) |
| 23:55.09 | menotume | nope :) |
| 23:56.21 | RichardRauch | Can you give an example of a file and (CVS) version number where this occurs? |
| 23:56.30 | RichardRauch | Oh, nevermind...found one... |
| 23:56.35 | menotume | http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag |
| 23:56.53 | menotume | no big deal - i'm just curious |
| 23:56.53 | RichardRauch | WhiteSpace probably. |
| 23:56.59 | menotume | ahhhhh !!!! |
| 23:57.00 | menotume | yes |
| 23:57.20 | menotume | thx, i knew it was 'obvious' |
| 23:57.30 | RichardRauch | (doing a diff of such a marked version against the prior version is your friend...(^&) |
| 23:59.01 | menotume | nahhh, that would be too easy |
| 23:59.07 | RichardRauch | (^& |
