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| 00:16.21 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, because bzflag dosn't read jpegs |
| 00:16.40 | JeffM2501 | and they are not allways jpeg |
| 00:16.51 | JeffM2501 | anything with alpha ( about 50%) are done as tga |
| 00:17.02 | JeffM2501 | what is png crush? |
| 00:17.13 | JeffM2501 | I'm open to any sugestions on batch conversions |
| 00:17.19 | JeffM2501 | I'm just using what I have |
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| 01:21.58 | spldart | good evening /count dracula |
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| 01:34.06 | spldart | Wow.. a whole day and no answer to my map physics question.... I assume that's cuz not alot of peeps are doing phydrv stuff on their maps and can help? |
| 01:34.43 | trepan | i'll bite; what's the question? |
| 01:34.49 | spldart | :D |
| 01:35.03 | spldart | I'm doing phydrv on my map... And it works... |
| 01:35.08 | spldart | But I'm getting lockups bad |
| 01:35.21 | spldart | But I can run LouMan's Timetrials map all day with no problems |
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| 01:35.42 | spldart | I can't figure what I'm doing wrong in the bzworld that makes the clients lock up |
| 01:35.47 | trepan | lockups? computer freezes? tank freezes? |
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| 01:36.03 | amathis | hey guys |
| 01:36.04 | spldart | Computer lockups on the client |
| 01:36.05 | amathis | hi Nidhoggr |
| 01:36.10 | trepan | spldart: os? |
| 01:36.12 | spldart | and I can't get out |
| 01:36.18 | spldart | Win XP is the client |
| 01:36.32 | spldart | But the map can run on that or linux and the win client locks |
| 01:36.36 | spldart | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3564 |
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| 01:36.41 | Noodleman | ElectricElf: whassup? |
| 01:36.55 | trepan | only win clients lockup? |
| 01:37.22 | spldart | BTW.. The client locks but it doesn't release the video card |
| 01:37.31 | spldart | I can move my cursor over the last frame shown |
| 01:37.42 | spldart | and when I ctrl alt del I get an hour glass |
| 01:37.44 | trepan | cpu usage still jacked? |
| 01:37.54 | spldart | And sometimes I can't fumble my way to a control shutdown blind |
| 01:38.01 | spldart | can't get cpu usage |
| 01:38.08 | spldart | I'm still looking at the final frame |
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| 01:38.27 | spldart | but the windows kernal still runs behind it. |
| 01:38.46 | spldart | it's more like the vid card is jacked than the OS |
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| 01:39.52 | trepan | spldart: try running the client with "set noMeshClusters 1" |
| 01:40.02 | spldart | Oh.. And the bzfs box doesn't show any errors... But does report the normal... something checking disabled due to physics drivers just like timetrials and others |
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| 01:40.22 | spldart | How would I do that? in the .conf? |
| 01:40.28 | trepan | yes |
| 01:40.36 | trepan | also, do you have the map available? |
| 01:40.46 | spldart | You want to see it? |
| 01:41.23 | trepan | the best for me would be a minimal version of the map that shows the same symptoms |
| 01:41.50 | spldart | ah.. I'd have to play with it to find that balance... |
| 01:42.02 | spldart | Hrm... Let e figure something out to do that |
| 01:42.14 | trepan | game on, walkabout time for y.t. |
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| 01:54.25 | spldart | well imagine that.. I get rid of everything else but the two meshboxes and the phydrv for them then no lockups |
| 01:54.42 | spldart | Or I can play the whole map with the phydrv disabled with # signs and everything is fine |
| 01:58.58 | spldart | BTW... What does 'set noMeshClusters 1' do? |
| 02:00.51 | shorty114 | it turns off mesh clusters, i think |
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| 02:02.04 | spldart | I know what a mesh is. I know what a meshbox is... But what is a meshcluster? |
| 02:02.17 | spldart | A group of meshes? |
| 02:02.23 | spldart | flying south for the winter? |
| 02:02.26 | spldart | :p |
| 02:02.51 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:03.47 | spldart | No 'meshcluster' hits on a search on bzbb :( |
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| 02:22.05 | Mayhem | does the 'registered user' protocol use plain http, or is it encrypted? |
| 02:23.11 | DTRemenak | plain http |
| 02:26.13 | Mayhem | is it documented anywhere? I'm curious :) |
| 02:31.29 | spldart | Ok... going to experiment on my stupid map now... I may crash into windoze oblivion :eek:' |
| 02:34.45 | spldart | grr.. noMeshClusters is not known by bzfs |
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| 02:40.08 | Mayhem | spldart, src/obstacle/MeshSceneNodeGenerator.cxx |
| 02:41.47 | spldart | ? |
| 02:42.26 | Mayhem | thats where the noMeshCluster option takes effect |
| 02:44.03 | spldart | I'm above my knowledge then... :( |
| 02:44.14 | blast007 | might affect how the meshes are rendered |
| 02:45.47 | Mayhem | yep, seems that way. Looks like turning off the Z buffer has the same effect |
| 02:45.50 | spldart | I've figured how to apply physics to a surface but it doesn't seem stable like LouMan's maps. But I can't figure a difference between his and mine yet |
| 02:45.58 | trepan | spldart: ok, let's see the full map |
| 02:46.05 | trepan | if my client locks up, i can help |
| 02:46.19 | trepan | otherwise, you're gonna havta find someone who setup will lockup |
| 02:46.27 | spldart | How do you want me to get it to you? put it on my apache and link you? |
| 02:46.38 | trepan | sure |
| 02:46.43 | spldart | k.. just a sec |
| 02:46.50 | Aribeth | hi trepan |
| 02:46.54 | trepan | hiya Ari |
| 02:49.05 | spldart | http://spldart.bakadigital.com:92/airhockey.bzw |
| 02:49.16 | spldart | I hate this... I feel beaten |
| 02:54.21 | trepan | is there any specific location/event that causes the lockups |
| 02:54.49 | spldart | random.. shortly after starting.. esp if I go up to the big meshboxes with the phydrv onthem |
| 02:54.54 | trepan | i'm not able to reproduce so far (even having enabled the drivers, and removed that weird _set line of yours) |
| 02:54.56 | spldart | but not limited to those |
| 02:55.06 | spldart | hehe |
| 02:55.10 | spldart | grr |
| 02:55.30 | spldart | i don't lockup with LouMan... I do lockup with mine... I just don't get it.. but I have to get rid of it |
| 02:55.37 | spldart | Thanks for trying it though :) |
| 02:55.54 | spldart | Does the work look fairly clean? |
| 02:56.52 | trepan | huh? i don't have "airhock.png" in my data/ dir |
| 02:57.05 | spldart | yeah.. I'm going to host that on bz.org |
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| 02:57.20 | trepan | best of luck with it... |
| 02:57.21 | spldart | when I get to the point of having a finished map |
| 02:57.42 | JeffM2501 | I have the dirs ready, so when ever you want |
| 02:57.46 | spldart | thanks... Does it look like the coding is clean and |
| 02:58.01 | spldart | I know.. Thanks Jeff :) |
| 02:59.26 | spldart | Man... I've learned SO MUCH in the last couple of months... esp in two 1 week periods :eek: |
| 03:00.43 | MeBigFatGuy | wow someone at the Washington National's game took a header from the upper deck, to the concourse |
| 03:01.01 | spldart | woah... did he survive? |
| 03:01.09 | MeBigFatGuy | critical condition... currently |
| 03:01.23 | spldart | Back to testing... If I go unresponsive it's cuz i'm testing my mystery lockup map :( |
| 03:03.38 | spldart | ok.. everything perfect with the physics off... now turning them on...] |
| 03:05.28 | cosmos | when did this happen bigfat |
| 03:06.34 | spldart | woah... No lockups tonight.... I changed nothing :confused: |
| 03:06.40 | MeBigFatGuy | just today |
| 03:06.50 | cosmos | cant find anything on cnn/espn.com etc |
| 03:07.05 | MeBigFatGuy | it was 'breaking news' on 11oclock news |
| 03:07.13 | MeBigFatGuy | so prolly just happened |
| 03:07.14 | cosmos | its 8pm here |
| 03:07.21 | spldart | >trepan... or anyone else who looked at the map code... Does it show any promise... as a fun map or a person who is getting decent at making maps??? |
| 03:09.49 | spldart | ooOOoo... instead of the bear can's on the sides... how about one of those overhead lamps? I see alot of thos on a google image search of air hockey tables |
| 03:17.10 | spldart | wow... I didn't see any other LouMan TimeTrials maps up on the server list. :-o |
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| 03:34.28 | spldart | well... nighty night.. Building my kids new bunny hutch kept me from getting more done today :-/ Oh well. There is always tomorrow :) And My Kawi is roadworthy again :) Tomorrow's commute should be fun :) |
| 03:34.51 | jpa- | morning |
| 03:34.57 | spldart | night |
| 03:34.58 | spldart | ... |
| 03:34.59 | spldart | hehe |
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| 03:35.10 | jpa- | i may go to sleep again? :))) |
| 03:35.26 | MeBigFatGuy | ok by me |
| 03:50.55 | jpa- | ~weather eftu |
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| 03:59.01 | uso | sadden 2.0 world, only one server with standard settings in the top 10 and this one has an annoying blinking world :( |
| 03:59.45 | menotume | hmmm, some kid stabbed his mother 20+ times, cause she wouldn't let him on the computer |
| 03:59.51 | menotume | where's Carny ? |
| 04:01.12 | cosmos | uso define standard settings |
| 04:11.16 | orange | menotume: :-) |
| 04:11.59 | uso | cosmos: default settings |
| 04:14.19 | cosmos | like no jump no rico no flags |
| 04:14.52 | uso | no, the settings you get with /diff |
| 04:15.04 | brlcad | ~SLC |
| 04:15.06 | ibot | hmm... slc is Salt Lake City, Utah, where the streets have no name... |
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| 04:33.22 | TimRikerSLC | anyone fill me in on sharpshooter getting banned? |
| 04:41.41 | JeffM2501 | was spaming forums with nonsense posts |
| 04:41.52 | JeffM2501 | just got a mail about it |
| 04:41.57 | JeffM2501 | asking for an explenation |
| 04:44.52 | JeffM2501 | I'll remove masterban for now, it looked like some of the spamers we've been having, if it was realy just somone who has NO clue how to read, then I'll pull bzbb ban too after geting an explenation |
| 04:45.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10admin/master-bans.txt: |
| 04:47.57 | orange | uso, what's wrong with changes in settings? |
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| 05:00.10 | uso | orange: makes playing on different servers toilsome |
| 05:00.50 | Aribeth_away | lol |
| 05:01.32 | uso | for me one should either have a server with completely different gameplay like DTRemenak's flying around servers or a gameplay with "normal" settings |
| 05:02.16 | uso | 2.0 has too much settings which crazy admins can screw up :) |
| 05:02.42 | uso | things like fast burrow tanks ;) |
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| 05:12.38 | TimRikerSLC | JeffM2501: he had registered 4 times, and had to try a few times before getting the coppa right, so I can vouch that he has no clue. not saying that is a good excude. |
| 05:12.44 | TimRikerSLC | er excuse. |
| 05:12.55 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 05:12.59 | JeffM2501 | I've removed bans |
| 05:13.03 | JeffM2501 | I'll reactivate |
| 05:13.09 | TimRikerSLC | yeah, I noticed in email. |
| 05:13.11 | JeffM2501 | it was looking like some sort of flood |
| 05:13.18 | JeffM2501 | mail to him also bounced |
| 05:13.23 | JeffM2501 | but that coulda been me |
| 05:14.03 | TimRikerSLC | yeah? I've emailed him. I think it's the same address. I certianly emailed the listed address when I activated the account. |
| 05:14.19 | JeffM2501 | we had some email issues at work later in the day |
| 05:14.22 | JeffM2501 | so coulda been me |
| 05:14.24 | TimRikerSLC | I'm on the road at the moment, so I can't look it up in the paperwork. |
| 05:14.30 | JeffM2501 | at the time it looked like a faked out account |
| 05:14.35 | JeffM2501 | he's all reactivated now |
| 05:14.50 | TimRikerSLC | k. the ^^ version, yes? |
| 05:14.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:15.28 | JeffM2501 | only sharp shooter I see |
| 05:15.33 | TimRikerSLC | k. there was one with no specials, and a ** version and a s-s version. I nuked the other 3 when he finally got the coppa setup. |
| 05:16.04 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 05:16.08 | JeffM2501 | the it should be good |
| 05:16.13 | JeffM2501 | how old? |
| 05:16.17 | JeffM2501 | if you know? |
| 05:17.17 | JeffM2501 | the youngins tend to be VERY exicited that there is somone to talk to on the internet and post a lot of short spamlike posts |
| 05:17.45 | brlcad | coppa cabana |
| 05:18.21 | JeffM2501 | what'd be cool is if you could make them not able to post in non help forums untill they have read 100 posts :) |
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| 05:20.10 | brlcad | make it like a choose your own adventure book where they have to follow the right links and "make the right decisions" to make it to the form to post the first time through |
| 05:20.47 | JeffM2501 | make sure they don't choose "me too" or "kewl" |
| 05:21.12 | Tupone | morning brlcad |
| 05:21.18 | brlcad | morning |
| 05:21.24 | JeffM2501 | you see a post that is 4 years old do you a) reply to it cus j00 r0x0rz or b) read it and go "hmmm" |
| 05:28.10 | brlcad | "you have chosen 'poorly' ... you must now endure solitary confinement to contemplate your choices and patience a) start over" |
| 05:34.33 | uso | on a couple of servers like time trial or tuxee i have a blinking of large areas while i move |
| 05:35.29 | uso | this disappears if i disable depth buffer, but frame rate drops down drastically than |
| 05:35.48 | uso | is this another driver issue? |
| 05:36.06 | uso | although, iirc i did not have this with 2.0.0 |
| 05:37.22 | uso | all the servers where Thumper_ is logged in as admin :) |
| 05:39.25 | trepan | it's probably just close parallel planes, where the zbuffer resolution causes flickering |
| 05:40.05 | uso | no, it's more a color rotating, blue, red, black, ... |
| 05:40.49 | trepan | dunno then, would have to see it |
| 05:41.21 | brlcad | TimRikerSLC: I know you're on the road, but did you see the paper Tupone posted from the other day? |
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| 05:57.48 | uso | trepan: have done some snapshots, http://uso.ath.cx/bzflag/ |
| 05:59.14 | uso | if i don't move (view angle of different snap shots is the same) the color is cycling through red and black |
| 06:00.16 | uso | if i change angle or move a bit then view changes from "normal" textures to black or red areas or to such "cycling" areas |
| 06:02.37 | trepan | dynamic colors coupled with large translucent planes... |
| 06:02.46 | trepan | (haven't been able to get to your site yet) |
| 06:03.07 | brlcad | Very interesting set of papers relevant (and including) BZFlag at Sigcomm's 2004 NetGames Workshop: http://www.sigcomm.org/sigcomm2004/netgames.html |
| 06:03.09 | trepan | did visit the tuxee server, and it has both of those features |
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| 06:05.50 | uso | have done some additional snaps from timetrials |
| 06:06.17 | trepan | can't see any of them, dns resolves, http is hanging |
| 06:06.34 | uso | oops |
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| 06:09.18 | brlcad | trepan_away: that second to last paper title sounds like the lag flag :) |
| 06:13.52 | uso | trepan_away: was firewalled, sorry, could you try again |
| 06:15.00 | uso | if you are still there ;) |
| 06:15.10 | TimRikerSLC | brlcad: nope. posted where? |
| 06:16.27 | TimRikerSLC | oh. the url you just pasted? looking... |
| 06:17.21 | TimRikerSLC | cool. bookmarking to read later. |
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| 08:01.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Fixing security hole in server, allowing to a client bad things like avoid a ban |
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| 08:50.21 | fauto | done |
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| 13:14.46 | Bagheera | morning |
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| 13:24.19 | jpa- | afternoon |
| 13:24.26 | RedBaron2 | mornin |
| 13:24.30 | RedBaron2 | :) |
| 13:25.37 | jpa- | hi rb :) |
| 13:25.46 | RedBaron2 | hey |
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| 13:30.54 | jpa- | lol :D |
| 13:31.04 | jpa- | http://warri1.dyndns.org/kamera/video/1114089312.jpg |
| 13:31.17 | jpa- | http://warri1.dyndns.org/kamera/video/1114090212.jpg |
| 13:31.28 | jpa- | note, 15 min time between pics :P |
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| 13:32.23 | Bagheera | little snow, eh |
| 13:32.36 | jpa- | not much :) |
| 13:32.49 | jpa- | but, it came down quite fast |
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| 14:02.33 | BIYA | I got a quick stupid question. How do you talk in bzadmin (I have windows) I thought you just typed then enter but I asked them if they could read this but no answer so I guess it didnt work... |
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| 14:03.20 | jpa- | hummmm |
| 14:03.40 | jpa- | was it you asking the same question day or two ago, or do we have a problem? |
| 14:04.07 | BIYA | Not that I know of.... My first time asking |
| 14:05.00 | jpa- | aha |
| 14:05.28 | jpa- | would you mind connecting to box.kapsi.fi:50140 and we can check it? |
| 14:05.35 | BIYA | k |
| 14:06.29 | TheRedBaron | biya, you do just type and hit enter... |
| 14:06.39 | TheRedBaron | what version of windows are you running? XP? |
| 14:07.44 | BIYA | It works |
| 14:07.48 | BIYA | thanks bye |
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| 14:12.25 | jpa- | hmmmm |
| 14:13.24 | jpa- | my bzfs with time limit is dying too often.. |
| 14:16.03 | jpa- | hmm... it shouldn't shutdown when last player disconnects, should it? |
| 14:16.50 | blast007 | think that's normal |
| 14:17.24 | blast007 | that's how many rotating servers work, anyways |
| 14:17.30 | jpa- | how would i stop that? |
| 14:17.48 | TheRedBaron | ~seen orchid |
| 14:17.50 | ibot | orchid <~aec@orchid.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 14d 16h 25m 7s ago, saying: '~Mr_Molez++ '. |
| 14:17.54 | TheRedBaron | ~seen bzg |
| 14:17.55 | ibot | bzg <~orchid@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 239d 15h 35m 12s ago, saying: 'hello'. |
| 14:18.15 | TheRedBaron | ug |
| 14:19.15 | blast007 | jpa-: from the man page: "The server resets itself when all players have quit." |
| 14:19.30 | jpa- | evil |
| 14:19.56 | blast007 | are you using -g in your config? |
| 14:19.59 | TheRedBaron | then you should get along just fine with it jpa- |
| 14:20.11 | blast007 | -g |
| 14:20.11 | blast007 | Quit after serving one game. |
| 14:20.32 | jpa- | yup |
| 14:20.41 | jpa- | i'll just have to adapt, then |
| 14:21.32 | BearPerson | hmm |
| 14:21.40 | blast007 | hmm, I think when I run my server, it stays up when everyone leaves |
| 14:21.42 | BearPerson | let me see |
| 14:21.59 | BearPerson | you want the server to shut down after a certain time |
| 14:22.06 | BearPerson | no matter if people are there or not |
| 14:22.27 | jpa- | yup.. |
| 14:22.31 | BearPerson | in what format do you specify the time limit? |
| 14:22.34 | blast007 | oh yeah, I'm not running a timed server though...that may be the difference ;) |
| 14:22.36 | jpa- | i could always have bzadmin to shut it down |
| 14:22.45 | jpa- | i do a -time 7200 -g |
| 14:23.17 | blast007 | have you tried without the -g? |
| 14:23.40 | BearPerson | then it probably restarts the game after the time limit |
| 14:23.49 | BearPerson | but you want the server to shut down by itself? |
| 14:23.57 | BearPerson | let me script you some bash |
| 14:24.00 | jpa- | bah |
| 14:24.07 | jpa- | i can do it myself as well |
| 14:24.08 | BearPerson | or is this windows? |
| 14:24.35 | jpa- | i just didn't know that was the normal behaviour, and, just -time -g would have been simpler |
| 14:24.56 | BearPerson | I'd go with ENDTIME=(( $(date '+%s') + 7200)) |
| 14:25.25 | BearPerson | and then start it with -time ((ENDTIME - $(date '+%s'))) until it's past that time |
| 14:25.41 | BearPerson | you may need spaces between the (( and the expression |
| 14:26.33 | jpa- | i'll probably use python anyway, current bash script doesn't do any randomness and is bad at logging |
| 14:26.50 | BearPerson | whichever you like |
| 14:27.11 | jpa- | but _why_ does it reset when everyone quits? |
| 14:28.00 | BearPerson | because that's the way it is done |
| 14:28.13 | BearPerson | the game is defined as over when nobody's there |
| 14:28.13 | jpa- | just the answer i wanted :) |
| 14:28.28 | BearPerson | I suppose it may be easier on the server |
| 14:28.55 | BearPerson | then it doesn't simulate everything but just waits for the first player again |
| 14:29.18 | BearPerson | also, after a game over that way people can stay and chat |
| 14:29.25 | blast007 | not that the server does that much work anyway ;) |
| 14:29.37 | BearPerson | and when they're all gone the game will restart again with the first newcomer :) |
| 14:29.38 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 14:29.55 | BearPerson | I guess it'll be trivial to add an option -G |
| 14:30.01 | BearPerson | terminate only after the time is over |
| 14:30.40 | blast007 | think so |
| 14:30.49 | blast007 | flags are reset too |
| 14:31.04 | blast007 | and on random maps, a new random map is generated |
| 14:35.08 | BearPerson | then that'd make it a small patch instead of a trivial patch ;-) |
| 14:36.42 | blast007 | :) |
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| 15:33.21 | TheRedBaron | just to get a general consensus... What would you people think of this |
| 15:33.22 | TheRedBaron | http://www.ati.com/gitg/promotions/sponsorship/index.html |
| 15:34.19 | [dmp] | i think its a good idea, but i doubt i can participate - so my opinion is of little use :) |
| 15:34.32 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, do you want me to add loging for level 3 for kick and ban? so you don't have to go to level 4? |
| 15:38.04 | JeffM2501 | brlcad / learner ping |
| 15:38.19 | TheRedBaron | [dmp], i know... thats the main problem, a good portion of the league is set in euro. |
| 15:42.44 | [dmp] | TheRedBaron: Yeah. Even if were held in europe i think i couldnt participate. But a us-meetup might inspire us europeans to do someting similar. |
| 15:44.47 | BearPerson | maybe that'd create a big cheater problem though |
| 15:45.04 | BearPerson | and fairness... as soon as material is involved things tend to get messy |
| 15:45.08 | TheRedBaron | no i don't think it would |
| 15:45.22 | TheRedBaron | we are talking a LAN party. Everyone in 1 big room. |
| 15:45.29 | BearPerson | hmm |
| 15:45.40 | TheRedBaron | if some one is cheating, kick him out, physically :) |
| 15:46.42 | jpa- | TheRedBaron walking behind people's backs and checking for colored flags? :) |
| 15:47.44 | TheRedBaron | sure |
| 15:47.47 | BearPerson | Probably not cheating itself is a problem |
| 15:47.54 | BearPerson | accusing people of cheating will be worse |
| 15:48.14 | [dmp] | not "will be", "is".. i think we already got it |
| 15:48.40 | BearPerson | but it gets worse when material is involved |
| 15:48.59 | TheRedBaron | BearPerson, so with a lan party we can insure that we have a fresh download.... |
| 15:49.16 | TheRedBaron | basically there is no grounds for calling cheating with a LAN party. |
| 15:49.38 | BearPerson | more or less |
| 15:49.39 | blast007 | or use a custom client, with a special protocol |
| 15:49.48 | BearPerson | unless someone prepares an own client himself |
| 15:49.51 | [dmp] | one could also make a hardware box (a bzstation) and only accept people using that:) |
| 15:49.57 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 15:50.16 | BearPerson | well, the special protocol could probably still be broken with special firewalls |
| 15:50.27 | TheRedBaron | no, we make sure everyone has a fresh install... and then we play. |
| 15:50.34 | BearPerson | how? |
| 15:50.49 | blast007 | you format their hard drive ;D |
| 15:50.56 | BearPerson | they could just install and then run bzfl4g anyway |
| 15:51.19 | JeffM2501 | it would be simple to change the proto version, then build binarys for everyone |
| 15:51.24 | blast007 | right, or even compile a new one, with the "special protocol", so ya can't really avoid it |
| 15:51.36 | JeffM2501 | if somone wanted to cheat they would have to rebuild there cheats at the lan party |
| 15:51.49 | TheRedBaron | exactly |
| 15:52.19 | BearPerson | the protocol would have to be more different than just a version tag though |
| 15:52.25 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 15:52.34 | [dmp] | if i would need to prove myself as a non-cheater, after using alot of traveltime and money to particiate, i think i would leave |
| 15:52.35 | JeffM2501 | bzfalg won't conenct to a system with a difrent proto tag |
| 15:52.45 | JeffM2501 | the server won't allow it to even hook up |
| 15:52.52 | BearPerson | but a hacked client will |
| 15:52.57 | JeffM2501 | are you afraid of people building versions at the lan party? |
| 15:52.58 | blast007 | JeffM2501: but they could easily change the protocol |
| 15:53.01 | BearPerson | find out the proto tag and just copy it |
| 15:53.16 | TheRedBaron | bearperson: we introduce the proto tag @ the party, not before... |
| 15:53.19 | JeffM2501 | then there is nothing you can do besides rewite it and close the source |
| 15:53.21 | BearPerson | so? |
| 15:53.23 | JeffM2501 | and that is against GPL |
| 15:53.33 | BearPerson | 2 seconds monitoring net traffic |
| 15:53.44 | Chestal | cheats are much harder to hide when you are phycially close to each other |
| 15:53.49 | BearPerson | it'll be easy to set the protocol version in the option menu |
| 15:53.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah, and you wonder "why is that guy typing so much " :) |
| 15:54.14 | JeffM2501 | BearPerson, just changing message formating is not how the cheats happen |
| 15:54.19 | TheRedBaron | BearPerson: i really don't see why you are so worried about this... Just don't come than :) |
| 15:54.24 | BearPerson | :) |
| 15:54.25 | JeffM2501 | if you are woried about them rebuilding cheats at the party |
| 15:54.33 | JeffM2501 | then you need to change the internal high level API |
| 15:54.38 | JeffM2501 | that is where the cheats hapen |
| 15:54.43 | JeffM2501 | not at the low end message level |
| 15:55.07 | JeffM2501 | call the "i died " message what ever you want, you still comment out the function call in playing.cxx to keep it from being sent |
| 15:55.30 | JeffM2501 | changing proto just means that you remove any existing premade cheats |
| 15:55.37 | jpa- | it would be "easy" to add some public/private key auth.. |
| 15:55.44 | jpa- | but that would be a bit against GPL |
| 15:55.47 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, could still be faked if they had source |
| 15:56.03 | JeffM2501 | and they have to have source |
| 15:56.08 | TheRedBaron | which is easy... don't intro the source until the day of the LAN.. |
| 15:56.12 | jpa- | yup, so source would have to be kept private until the end of the party, which it can not.. |
| 15:56.32 | JeffM2501 | and since it's that easy |
| 15:56.39 | JeffM2501 | just a proto tag change is enough |
| 15:56.51 | BearPerson | jpa-, but it'd take more than the day to sue them for GPL violation ;-) |
| 15:56.52 | JeffM2501 | since it iself is efectvly a key at that poiont |
| 15:57.12 | JeffM2501 | just monitor the server |
| 15:57.14 | BearPerson | and I'm sure the GPL can be bent to allow delayed release of sources by 12 hours |
| 15:57.14 | JeffM2501 | with an observer |
| 15:57.16 | JeffM2501 | have a ref |
| 15:57.19 | jpa- | i know, deny internet access and remove gcc from everyone's computer! |
| 15:57.21 | TheRedBaron | just monitor the players! |
| 15:57.28 | JeffM2501 | you will never remove all cheating via techincal means |
| 15:57.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 15:57.57 | JeffM2501 | what is the common OS you think you'll have? |
| 15:58.05 | TheRedBaron | what do you expect? 100+ players that we can't monitor? |
| 15:58.16 | TheRedBaron | windows and linux |
| 15:58.36 | TheRedBaron | and a few OSX users... |
| 15:58.37 | JeffM2501 | linux users your going to have to have source, cus building binarys for every distro is a PITA |
| 15:58.47 | JeffM2501 | windows and OSX can do easy binarys |
| 15:58.58 | JeffM2501 | and you can get away with provinding a link to the soruce for them |
| 15:59.11 | JeffM2501 | how long is the party? |
| 15:59.16 | blast007 | you could also add some info to the observing clients, near the player labels, to monitor things like tank speed, turning speed, etc |
| 15:59.25 | TheRedBaron | dunno yet, Just in the steps of planning. |
| 15:59.31 | JeffM2501 | more then a day? |
| 15:59.49 | TheRedBaron | yea |
| 15:59.54 | TheRedBaron | probally over the weekend. |
| 16:00.09 | JeffM2501 | will people go home and return? |
| 16:00.15 | jpa- | or maybe.. a bootable cd |
| 16:00.33 | TheRedBaron | depends on how far they traveled :) |
| 16:00.35 | jpa- | that has a closed source daemon that must be running on every computer |
| 16:00.47 | jpa- | and then you just "ping" the daemons to verify everyone is running the cd |
| 16:00.51 | ToughShooter | s/my/his |
| 16:00.51 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, why don't you just provide them with comptuers |
| 16:00.58 | jpa- | :P |
| 16:01.04 | JeffM2501 | and handcuff them to the chairs |
| 16:01.07 | JeffM2501 | it's for fun |
| 16:01.12 | JeffM2501 | bump a proto |
| 16:01.14 | TheRedBaron | I"m not worried about cheaters... |
| 16:01.17 | JeffM2501 | provide the version |
| 16:01.28 | JeffM2501 | that'll be enough to deteer most |
| 16:01.33 | TheRedBaron | I'm all for Jeff's bumping the proto and providing it, on the day of the party |
| 16:01.45 | jpa- | well.. |
| 16:01.54 | JeffM2501 | anyone who wants to risk it would be consipicous cus they'd be typing a lot and spending time compiling more then once. |
| 16:02.02 | jpa- | ok i won't say a word :) |
| 16:02.14 | TheRedBaron | but if you have the gall to travel long distance just to play and Cheat over a lan, with A HIGH possibility of being caught..... |
| 16:02.22 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 16:02.28 | RedBaron2 | talk about being dumb. |
| 16:02.34 | JeffM2501 | cheaters are less bold in person |
| 16:02.39 | TheRedBaron | then you have more issues than we can take care of... and all the technological ideas aren't going to help |
| 16:02.52 | JeffM2501 | a proto bump prevents pre-existing cheats |
| 16:03.16 | JeffM2501 | providing binarys for most systems means that anyone who isn't playing right away is doing something |
| 16:03.21 | JeffM2501 | or has a funky distro |
| 16:03.31 | JeffM2501 | and they get watched |
| 16:03.35 | TheRedBaron | exactly |
| 16:03.58 | JeffM2501 | just the fact that you mention cheating in a proto bump will make 95% of those that thought about it go "hmmmm" |
| 16:04.01 | TheRedBaron | i doubt it that more than 50 poeple might show up... |
| 16:04.16 | JeffM2501 | if you get more then 25 I'll be impressed |
| 16:04.25 | TheRedBaron | we can easily have refs walk around monitoring... |
| 16:04.31 | TheRedBaron | Jeffm2501, Me too! |
| 16:04.38 | JeffM2501 | heck more then 10 |
| 16:04.41 | TheRedBaron | if i reach 25 i'll be more than happy. |
| 16:05.02 | JeffM2501 | where are you going to have it? |
| 16:05.12 | TheRedBaron | thats why i'm testing the waters now.... |
| 16:05.53 | JeffM2501 | real lan partys have more then one game |
| 16:06.13 | TheRedBaron | i'd rather not set a place.... I've introduced it at the league forum, and waiting for good feedback there... |
| 16:06.36 | TheRedBaron | I'm flexible, I'd rather find a midpoint that is optimum for the most players to meet. |
| 16:06.52 | JeffM2501 | I'm guessing on average bzflag player density is less then 1 user per major city in the world. |
| 16:06.57 | Chestal | Fionn: wie, auch nur 2k wie ich? |
| 16:06.58 | TheRedBaron | Ie, i'd rather not set it up somewhere in the nowhere hills of texas. |
| 16:06.58 | Chestal | oopsa |
| 16:07.58 | TheRedBaron | Jeffm2501; then the question is... which side of the US has the most bz players? |
| 16:08.09 | JeffM2501 | germany |
| 16:08.15 | ToughShooter | Can anyone help me to figure out what it is causing me to get stuck? I can still fire but I can't jump and don't here jumping sound. Map is mine on sleepycows |
| 16:08.50 | BearPerson | funky walls? |
| 16:08.58 | ToughShooter | When I try to pause it tells me I would be in air! |
| 16:09.09 | ToughShooter | Observers see me jittering vertically |
| 16:09.37 | TheRedBaron | Jeffm2501, yup, thats true... |
| 16:09.56 | BearPerson | ToughShooter, close to walls/pyramids/anything? |
| 16:10.14 | ToughShooter | It's on bzflag.sleepycows.us:5255 to be more precise. I run Mac OS X 10.3.9 with ATI Radeon 7500 mobile |
| 16:10.30 | ToughShooter | Just watch me, I'm online there |
| 16:10.47 | ToughShooter | I'm at top of a simple box and nothing is really near |
| 16:11.28 | ToughShooter | Changing spin angle from 90 0 0 1 to any other value other than -270 fixes it for me |
| 16:11.46 | ToughShooter | but that makes map not symetric |
| 16:12.33 | ToughShooter | Previously I used a lot of boxes, now grouped them together and use the groups to make them appear |
| 16:16.17 | ToughShooter | No ideas? :( |
| 16:19.49 | BearPerson | the boxes do have the same height |
| 16:20.33 | BearPerson | do they? |
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| 16:23.06 | ToughShooter | BearBerson: It happens only at the lowest box in one edge. None of the boxes have the same height at the same edge |
| 16:24.04 | ToughShooter | So there are no overlappings |
| 16:24.24 | jpa- | hm |
| 16:24.55 | ToughShooter | Others don't get stuck |
| 16:28.44 | jpa- | with 2.0.2 i do not get stuck |
| 16:29.56 | ToughShooter | I get stuck with 2.0 STABLE, too |
| 16:30.29 | ToughShooter | Using the same spin angle at other edges make them full with gum for me, too |
| 16:32.34 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: what was that anti-spyware software you mentioned a few weeks ago to me, do you remember? |
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| 16:33.09 | JeffM2501 | the one by microsoft |
| 16:33.13 | JeffM2501 | and spybot |
| 16:33.16 | JeffM2501 | and addaware |
| 16:33.19 | JeffM2501 | all of them |
| 16:34.59 | jpa- | hm, was it a joke that pic that was spreading over irc when microsoft's spyware thing was published for beta, that it recognized firefox as spyware? |
| 16:35.07 | jpa- | it doesn't seem to do it anymore.. |
| 16:36.15 | ToughShooter | Deleting cache doesn't help, either but BearPerson gets stuck like me |
| 16:50.22 | ToughShooter | My threads are driving backwards, too |
| 16:54.26 | jpa- | hmmmm :) |
| 16:55.03 | ToughShooter | It just seems as if tank never hits the box so jumping again is impossible |
| 16:55.34 | BearPerson | it actually continually falls |
| 16:55.37 | BearPerson | jumps up on top of it |
| 16:55.40 | BearPerson | and falls again |
| 16:55.52 | BearPerson | on dead reconing it falls through it |
| 16:56.09 | BearPerson | (I've seen it fall almost all the way through on a few lags) |
| 16:56.35 | ToughShooter | WG seems to hit the box however to some degree because can flap again after landing |
| 16:56.44 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 16:56.51 | BearPerson | and it can drive |
| 16:57.07 | BearPerson | but goes in a different direction than where you'd be going in midair |
| 16:57.15 | ToughShooter | but WG can't drive, only wanders very slowly into bogus direction |
| 16:57.29 | BearPerson | when you drive forward |
| 16:57.37 | BearPerson | sometimes only when you drive backward |
| 16:58.30 | BearPerson | probably something becoming exactly 0 |
| 16:58.45 | BearPerson | ToughShooter, try raising or lowering the platform by a tiny fraction |
| 16:59.04 | BearPerson | put the platform a tiny bit higher off the grounf |
| 17:00.13 | BearPerson | unfortunately floats being equal is a bad thing |
| 17:00.24 | jpa- | the box is above ground.. |
| 17:00.25 | BearPerson | so altitude is not > height |
| 17:00.35 | BearPerson | okay, whatever |
| 17:00.36 | ToughShooter | http://pastebin.com/274170 is the think which causes the problem |
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| 17:06.49 | ToughShooter | -0.5 doesn't help but -10 in height helps...trying to approximate |
| 17:09.14 | ToughShooter | -1 is needed, -0.9 makes me still getting stuck |
| 17:09.29 | ToughShooter | angle changing helps as well |
| 17:09.48 | ToughShooter | but with doing this I'll lose symmetry |
| 17:10.27 | jpa- | what if you use multiple spins? |
| 17:10.39 | jpa- | like first 85.6 and then 4.4? |
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| 17:13.50 | ToughShooter | I retried replacing 90 with -270..now all platforms are okay! |
| 17:14.04 | ToughShooter | but I've not the slightest idea why |
| 17:14.05 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 17:14.09 | BearPerson | lol |
| 17:14.20 | BearPerson | but it's a nice map |
| 17:14.30 | BearPerson | very big, but nice |
| 17:15.09 | BearPerson | gotta take care that not a few GMs and Ls own the map |
| 17:15.24 | ToughShooter | Only one player told me it wouldn't be nice, other than that I only got positive crytics |
| 17:15.54 | ToughShooter | GM shot limit is 300 and laser has always risk to self-kill |
| 17:16.48 | BearPerson | on the platforms? |
| 17:16.53 | BearPerson | the balls looked interesting |
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| 18:00.57 | Thumper_ | jpa-: oh sure... just leave. |
| 18:01.09 | jpa- | Thumper_: what? |
| 18:01.28 | Thumper_ | jpa-: (olympic server) |
| 18:02.01 | jpa- | ah |
| 18:02.12 | Thumper_ | ThumpersBot didn't get to kick you off :-P |
| 18:02.14 | jpa- | i was too bored to open another console |
| 18:02.31 | jpa- | so i took the one with least important stuff |
| 18:02.36 | Thumper_ | and my laptop will stay safely at home. |
| 18:03.13 | jpa- | damn! |
| 18:03.47 | jpa- | are you sure... if you will invent the meaning of life and have to write it down? |
| 18:03.56 | jpa- | you should take it along.. |
| 18:04.02 | Thumper_ | I'll be lying by the pool not thinking about life... |
| 18:04.06 | Thumper_ | or any meaning it might have |
| 18:04.27 | jpa- | :/ |
| 18:04.34 | jpa- | i hate you |
| 18:04.38 | Thumper_ | hehe |
| 18:04.43 | BearPerson | 42 |
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| 18:10.19 | hw- | any hepcat admin, please reset gravity |
| 18:10.41 | BearPerson | what happened? |
| 18:11.04 | hw- | ruff n tuff set gravity -1.1 |
| 18:11.25 | hw- | its unplayable right now |
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| 18:13.32 | ToughShooter | Birdie: hw- said gravity was setted to -1.1 by ruff n tuff |
| 18:13.52 | ToughShooter | hello hw- |
| 18:13.55 | hw- | sup ts |
| 18:14.03 | Birdie | hepcat? |
| 18:14.08 | jpa- | hi sgk284_ <3<3<3 |
| 18:14.23 | sgk284_ | hey jpa- :( |
| 18:14.27 | sgk284_ | <3 <3 |
| 18:14.34 | hw- | yes on hepcat |
| 18:14.39 | hw- | you dont have to take my word for it tho just go look |
| 18:14.40 | sgk284_ | hey hw! |
| 18:14.42 | hw- | tanks are flyign around |
| 18:14.43 | hw- | sup sgk |
| 18:14.45 | sgk284_ | how ya been? |
| 18:15.15 | hw- | "variable modification notice by ruff n tuff of set _gravity -1.1" |
| 18:15.22 | hw- | I have been |
| 18:16.09 | Birdie | cosmos orange ping |
| 18:16.17 | Birdie | you are right hw- |
| 18:16.19 | Birdie | sux |
| 18:16.22 | Birdie | stupid hackers |
| 18:16.39 | sgk284_ | good to hear hw-:) |
| 18:17.18 | Birdie | JBdiGriz ping, he can change it to i think |
| 18:20.13 | spldart | wow.. Hepcat is fubar... But it is funny :D |
| 18:20.50 | spldart | You can launch off one base at just the right speed and land on the other base :-) |
| 18:21.16 | hw- | it is interesting for about .4 seconds |
| 18:21.31 | spldart | I noticed the players in there are NOT happy :p |
| 18:21.36 | hw- | cant u guys just restart the server or something |
| 18:21.40 | hw- | switch to overlord |
| 18:21.52 | hw- | hack it like that guy did |
| 18:22.29 | Birdie | we need some one that says pong of the ones i pinged:( |
| 18:22.40 | uso_w | doesn't hepcat restart if all players leave? |
| 18:22.45 | trepan | heh, think i've got a cheezy fix for those silly hackers |
| 18:23.26 | sgk284_ | did they guess the pword? |
| 18:23.41 | Birdie | doubt |
| 18:25.52 | ToughShooter | Ping Aribeth_away |
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| 18:34.19 | hw- | we actually got everyone to leave but the server did not restart |
| 18:36.49 | jpa- | it probably did, but it doesn't make it forget env. variables? |
| 18:37.24 | jpa- | while, i do not know which kind of a restart you mean |
| 18:37.41 | hw- | I dunno, somebody else suggested it. |
| 18:37.56 | hw- | <uso_w> doesn't hepcat restart if all players leave? |
| 18:38.06 | hw- | well, all players left. but that doesnt reset gravity |
| 18:38.38 | jpa- | all servers do, but it is just a soft reset.. so it resets random maps and stuff, but not env. vars AFAIK |
| 18:40.53 | hw- | how to hard reset |
| 18:41.43 | jpa- | one needs to be an admin.. |
| 18:47.47 | hw- | cant u just see what msg the hacker sent to the server and send that again with default gravity |
| 18:49.07 | jpa- | uh, see it from where? |
| 18:49.19 | jpa- | logs? that only admins have access to? |
| 18:54.58 | hw- | YAY ORANGE IS THE BESTEST |
| 18:55.34 | jpa- | ~orange++ |
| 18:55.50 | jpa- | while i like grapefruit better |
| 18:57.47 | hw- | wow did u know there is #hepcat |
| 18:57.57 | hw- | that probably would have been a good place to point these inquiries |
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| 19:35.18 | Birdie | hey sportchick |
| 19:36.03 | Tupone | ~seen orchid |
| 19:36.07 | ibot | orchid <~aec@orchid.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 14d 21h 43m 24s ago, saying: '~Mr_Molez++ '. |
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| 20:36.41 | cosmos | 134.173.200 134.173.59 Jae Ho Shin, ruff and tuff, Mark is the one issuing /set commands but no indication of how its working |
| 20:36.49 | cosmos | hes also tking of course |
| 20:42.30 | _Manu_ | 134.173.*.* is banned in viper server.. |
| 20:42.33 | cosmos | claremont college |
| 20:42.55 | cosmos | thats in CA. im going to put my baseball bats in the roadrunner and beat the living hell out of these kids |
| 20:42.57 | _Manu_ | a source of problems |
| 20:43.10 | JeffM2501 | he at mut? |
| 20:43.23 | JeffM2501 | so it's not loging out the stuff at level 3? |
| 20:43.33 | cosmos | i couldnt put it there yet i have very limited disk space |
| 20:43.34 | JeffM2501 | it will say if it worked or didn't |
| 20:43.41 | JeffM2501 | level3 isn't bad |
| 20:43.44 | cosmos | im adding more space soon |
| 20:43.46 | JeffM2501 | not as abad as 4 |
| 20:43.52 | JeffM2501 | want me to move it to 2? |
| 20:43.53 | cosmos | well ive got about 10mb to work with :) |
| 20:44.03 | JeffM2501 | that is not a lot of space |
| 20:44.10 | _Manu_ | you can see in level 3 is the set command is executed succesly |
| 20:44.19 | JeffM2501 | what perms do you have on nonreg? |
| 20:44.36 | JeffM2501 | set or setall? |
| 20:44.39 | cosmos | nope |
| 20:44.41 | cosmos | just spawn |
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| 20:44.45 | cosmos | and lagstats |
| 20:45.09 | JeffM2501 | I can tell you how to get to clairmont colleges |
| 20:45.15 | cosmos | where is it |
| 20:45.17 | JeffM2501 | used to drive down there a fair amount |
| 20:45.22 | JeffM2501 | down at the end of the 210 |
| 20:45.24 | cosmos | because im dead serious i will beat those kids to death |
| 20:45.43 | cosmos | and film it for the bzflag community |
| 20:45.47 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:45.51 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 20:46.03 | spldart | lol |
| 20:46.13 | JeffM2501 | reverse DNS on campus should give the building |
| 20:46.28 | _Manu_ | check for -POLLSET |
| 20:46.44 | cosmos | there were more than one player using these ips too. one G5 Serenity doesnt appear to be part of it |
| 20:46.52 | cosmos | but hes caught in the net |
| 20:46.56 | _Manu_ | yes.. i know them.. trouble makers |
| 20:47.05 | JeffM2501 | it's a set of colleges |
| 20:47.09 | JeffM2501 | harvey mud |
| 20:47.10 | cosmos | jae ho shin seems to be ther ringleader |
| 20:47.13 | JeffM2501 | and some others |
| 20:47.17 | _Manu_ | one G5 is also a troublemaker |
| 20:47.22 | JeffM2501 | and he dosn't reg? |
| 20:48.04 | _Manu_ | just I wonder why this is happening in your server cosmos |
| 20:48.13 | _Manu_ | perhaps your config is wrong |
| 20:48.41 | cosmos | he was not registered no |
| 20:48.51 | cosmos | ill dump my groups for ya |
| 20:48.55 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 20:48.56 | _Manu_ | show in /groupperms what they can do |
| 20:49.09 | JeffM2501 | there are only 2 perms that can allow a /set |
| 20:49.17 | _Manu_ | yes.. he must -POLLSET |
| 20:49.30 | JeffM2501 | ohh so it's a poll to set |
| 20:49.32 | cosmos | whats that url so i dont flood the channel |
| 20:49.34 | JeffM2501 | not just a /set? |
| 20:49.39 | JeffM2501 | just mail it to me |
| 20:49.40 | cosmos | he was doing /set |
| 20:49.45 | JeffM2501 | jeffm2501@sbcglobal.net |
| 20:50.00 | JeffM2501 | the /set command only checks 2 perms |
| 20:50.05 | JeffM2501 | I looked at it yesterday |
| 20:50.31 | JeffM2501 | I can tell you waht to add to make it log it for level1 in just that place, so you can log now and not get the rest of the level 3 stuff |
| 20:50.33 | cosmos | mailed |
| 20:50.44 | JeffM2501 | it's a simple change |
| 20:50.46 | cosmos | yeah that would help |
| 20:51.25 | _Manu_ | are them not registered? |
| 20:51.47 | cosmos | nope |
| 20:52.04 | _Manu_ | and have you tried to use /set using a non registered callsign? |
| 20:52.09 | cosmos | yeah |
| 20:52.13 | cosmos | doesnt work |
| 20:52.35 | JeffM2501 | just make your handlesetcommand look like this |
| 20:52.36 | JeffM2501 | http://www.pastebin.com/274283 |
| 20:52.52 | JeffM2501 | that will log all sets |
| 20:53.02 | JeffM2501 | that work and don't work |
| 20:53.10 | JeffM2501 | and log what perm they have to get past it |
| 20:53.16 | JeffM2501 | at level 1 |
| 20:53.16 | cosmos | ok |
| 20:53.22 | JeffM2501 | it's in commands.cxx |
| 20:53.32 | JeffM2501 | around line 425 |
| 20:55.40 | JeffM2501 | you could also add this line before the call to CMDMGR.run |
| 20:55.41 | JeffM2501 | if (playerData->player.isVerified()) |
| 20:55.41 | cosmos | theres enough of us around southern ca, we should carpool on down to claremont |
| 20:55.41 | JeffM2501 | return; |
| 20:55.52 | JeffM2501 | it's a big scholl |
| 20:55.56 | JeffM2501 | set of them realy |
| 20:56.02 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak's 1/2 way there |
| 20:56.18 | cosmos | ill be happy to rid them of a few kids |
| 20:56.23 | JeffM2501 | if you add those 2 lines, it makes /set work only for reged |
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| 20:57.33 | cosmos | they are furiously trying to connect now |
| 20:58.00 | JeffM2501 | statics? |
| 20:58.05 | JeffM2501 | or dynamics? |
| 20:58.38 | cosmos | appear to be somewhat static probably tied to the buildings they are in |
| 20:58.48 | JeffM2501 | class C? |
| 20:59.08 | cosmos | yeah let me get em |
| 20:59.22 | _Manu_ | they are using dynamic--- 134.173.*.* |
| 20:59.33 | JeffM2501 | big range |
| 20:59.39 | _Manu_ | not all the 255*255 but most of them.. |
| 20:59.53 | cosmos | 134.173.59. |
| 21:00.00 | cosmos | 134.173.200. |
| 21:00.14 | _Manu_ | not only that.. also 134.173.60.* |
| 21:00.21 | cosmos | i havnt been hit with .60 yet |
| 21:00.30 | cosmos | but they are probably moving from building to building |
| 21:00.31 | _Manu_ | that's why i banned the 65535 ip.. |
| 21:00.54 | _Manu_ | they usually tking.. and capturing the team flag |
| 21:01.13 | cosmos | they were doing that just now when i got back and were being kicked by my cops |
| 21:01.27 | cosmos | when i grepped for their ip i found they were running /set commands earlier |
| 21:01.31 | cosmos | which i wasnt here for |
| 21:04.08 | DTRemenak | yeah, I'm like a half hour from HMC |
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| 21:05.58 | cosmos | too bad it wasnt pepperdine or ucla. i can walk to ucla from here |
| 21:06.11 | _Manu_ | cosmos: they were running /set.. but got them changed the vars? |
| 21:06.40 | cosmos | yeah they set gravity way off this am |
| 21:06.55 | cosmos | apparently started quite a ruckus |
| 21:07.46 | _Manu_ | can you see any token when they connecting? |
| 21:08.02 | cosmos | they are not registered |
| 21:08.40 | _Manu_ | yes.,. but can you see in the logs the: "...token "" for their connection? |
| 21:09.40 | cosmos | @40000000426813a41197b72c Player Jae Ho Shin [17] has joined from 134.173.59.206 at 2005-04-21 13:56:58 with token "" |
| 21:10.00 | _Manu_ | yes.. no token.. |
| 21:10.59 | _Manu_ | are your using udp required? |
| 21:11.10 | cosmos | yes |
| 21:11.41 | _Manu_ | but you know.. you can turn off udp.. and the server not removes you... :( |
| 21:11.56 | cosmos | ? |
| 21:11.57 | _Manu_ | in the client.. |
| 21:12.11 | _Manu_ | you can turn off udp in your client.. and connect to your server.. and play |
| 21:12.18 | cosmos | really |
| 21:12.21 | _Manu_ | yes.. |
| 21:12.24 | cosmos | so it still accepts tcp |
| 21:12.31 | _Manu_ | yes.. |
| 21:12.46 | _Manu_ | but udp is a source of problems too :( |
| 21:13.07 | cosmos | yeah |
| 21:13.15 | _Manu_ | easy to fake packets.. :( |
| 21:13.37 | cosmos | too bad i cant send some packets back and have their computers explode |
| 21:13.59 | _Manu_ | TNT packets? ;) |
| 21:14.24 | _Manu_ | and if they fake the sender.. he never got it |
| 21:14.57 | cosmos | heh |
| 21:15.12 | _Manu_ | that's the problem.. |
| 21:15.26 | _Manu_ | only some messages are udp required |
| 21:16.34 | _Manu_ | err... mean TCP.. |
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| 23:13.40 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:16.34 | spldart | When you land you skid quite a ways :-D |
| 23:16.49 | spldart | I'm trying to make a new mesh for the pads |
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| 23:51.42 | cosmos | <rael_> im 15 but i watched alot on hbo.com boxing and i know that mike tyson could beat up george forman from the early 1970's in less than 30 seconds |
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| 23:58.17 | cosmos | LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Boredom proved costly to a potential juror who let out a loud yawn in a Los Angeles courtroom and was promptly ordered to pay a $10,000 fine. |
