irclog2html for #bzflag on 20050419

`00:00.05`	`JeffM2501`	`I personay did not care for id's latest engine demo/flashlight simulator`
`00:00.39`	`purple_cow`	`gameplay doesn't matter, dummy! what's important is flashy graphics and standard FPS-style controls`
`00:00.56`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, sad as it may be, a lot of people look for that`
`00:01.15`	`JeffM2501`	`what is interesting is that they compare all those games together`
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`00:36.26`	`brlcad`	`an Erroneous DTRemenak .. there's something you don't see every day`
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`00:37.10`	`JeffM2501`	`sometimes there are single bit errors when they copy him`
`00:37.20`	`JeffM2501`	`so they can have bad CRC checks`
`00:37.40`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
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`00:54.39`	`trepan`	`DTRemena{ ?`
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`00:57.11`	`DTRemenak`	`trepa{ ?`
`00:58.24`	`JeffM2501`	`}; };`
`01:03.06`	`DTRemenak`	`ah`
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`01:09.19`	`spldart`	`The mighty Cornholio has arrived... Are you threatening me?`
`01:10.50`	`wegstar`	`?`
`01:11.34`	`spldart`	`:(`
`01:11.49`	`spldart`	`I'm to old :(`
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`01:21.09`	`spldart`	`http://spldart.bakadigital.com:92/cornholio.wav`
`01:21.39`	`brad2901`	`o_O`
`01:21.50`	`spldart`	`pft ack`
`01:22.35`	`cosmos`	`heh`
`01:22.49`	`cosmos`	`who doesnt know cornholio?`
`01:23.02`	`brad2901`	`me for a start`
`01:23.28`	`cosmos`	`age?`
`01:23.33`	`brad2901`	`15 :(`
`01:23.39`	`spldart`	`woah`
`01:24.02`	`cosmos`	`that would explain it`
`01:24.10`	`brad2901`	`what is it?`
`01:24.20`	`spldart`	`Well... As cosmos may understand.... I'm currently.... Cornholio 8-D`
`01:24.21`	`cosmos`	`beavis and butthead, mtv circa 1994?`
`01:24.46`	`brad2901`	`err..`
`01:24.54`	`cosmos`	`ahh spldart is wide awake.`
`01:24.58`	`spldart`	`B and B were kinda the cutting edge enterainment version of southpark`
`01:25.04`	`spldart`	`I are tweakan`
`01:25.35`	`spldart`	`Now to figure otu what to do with the enegy :D`
`01:25.56`	`spldart`	`Map... Samba... soemthing else`
`01:26.28`	`cosmos`	`wife...`
`01:26.56`	`spldart`	`Wife is at the workout center`
`01:27.08`	`spldart`	`But already did that ;)`
`01:27.35`	`JeffM2501`	`I would not have called it "cutting edge"`
`01:28.00`	`spldart`	`B and B was racy as **** when I was a young`
`01:28.08`	`cosmos`	`beavis and butthead are the types causing me much grief on the servers`
`01:28.44`	`spldart`	`wait.... that wasn't when I was young`
`01:28.51`	`spldart`	`I thought they wre older... '92`
`01:28.52`	`cosmos`	`i hope not`
`01:28.58`	`spldart`	`I graduated HS in 86`
`01:29.06`	`cosmos`	`maybe but still in our 20s`
`01:29.10`	`spldart`	`yeah`
`01:29.12`	`cosmos`	`not young at all`
`01:29.22`	`spldart`	`Still had some young and stupid going for me.... IE first wife`
`01:29.25`	`spldart`	`LOL`
`01:29.28`	`cosmos`	`i have a foggy haze around the early 90s`
`01:29.30`	`spldart`	`I should shut up now :(`
`01:30.05`	`spldart`	`Can't decide... BZFlag play, map work, or new bzfs server work`
`01:30.15`	`cosmos`	`what map are you making`
`01:30.40`	`spldart`	`I'm working on a 'Air Hockey' map CTF`
`01:30.54`	`spldart`	`My first textures and meshes ;)`
`01:31.11`	`spldart`	`And I gotta do my first homemade .obj`
`01:31.13`	`spldart`	`s too`
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`01:45.22`	`spldart`	`heh....`
`01:54.14`	`cosmos`	`hrm`
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`02:01.16`	`cosmos`	`http://tinyurl.com/9rz73`
`02:01.24`	`cosmos`	`he looks like hes getting tossed from a nightclub`
`02:04.18`	`spldart`	`I spoke to soon... BZadmin just crashed while watching my linux server :(`
`02:04.50`	`JeffM2501`	`the horror`
`02:05.22`	`spldart`	`Indeed`
`02:05.49`	`cosmos`	`bzadmin crashes like a ton of bricks`
`02:05.51`	`cosmos`	`all the time`
`02:10.16`	`spldart`	`Never mind! My bzfs on Debian crashed :eek:`
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`02:10.26`	`spldart`	`restarted now`
`02:10.59`	`wegstar`	`?`
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`02:14.08`	`spldart`	`Ok... Debian server ... BZFS was mysteriously closed`
`02:14.31`	`spldart`	`Dunno what that is all about`
`02:16.48`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, what OS you in now?`
`02:17.17`	`DTRemenak`	`linux`
`02:17.23`	`JeffM2501`	`poopy`
`02:17.38`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`02:20.41`	`cosmos`	`i use Coherent`
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`02:21.07`	`JeffM2501`	`only have windows build of a test app`
`02:21.24`	`cosmos`	`cmon no one remembers Coherent?`
`02:22.12`	`cosmos`	`286 unix clone, commercial.`
`02:22.21`	`cosmos`	`competed against minix and early versions of linux/bsd`
`02:22.28`	`cosmos`	`from the mark williams company!`
`02:23.05`	`JeffM2501`	`can you eat it?`
`02:24.30`	`cosmos`	`an interesting question`
`02:24.56`	`JeffM2501`	`can it run a windows openGL app?`
`02:25.40`	`cosmos`	`windows cant even do that`
`02:27.41`	`spldart`	`back`
`02:27.54`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe one of these days I'll learn how to build on nix`
`02:27.57`	`JeffM2501`	`like properly`
`02:28.46`	`spldart`	`Isn't unix and linux so close that alot of stuff can be done cross platform or are they distant cousins... Pardon my ignorance.`
`02:28.52`	`cosmos`	`no`
`02:28.58`	`cosmos`	`unix is unix. linux is linux`
`02:29.03`	`cosmos`	`they share no common base`
`02:29.12`	`spldart`	`No way?! :ocnfsued:`
`02:29.15`	`JeffM2501`	`they do share many common tools`
`02:29.15`	`cosmos`	`linux doesnt even agree across distributions`
`02:29.23`	`cosmos`	`tools yes but not codebase`
`02:29.29`	`spldart`	`wow`
`02:29.34`	`cosmos`	`gnu tools are enhanced copies of unix tools`
`02:29.38`	`JeffM2501`	`so in some ways you can asume things that makes cross platform easy`
`02:29.40`	`cosmos`	`kernels are seperate code`
`02:29.47`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah the OSs are seperate`
`02:29.53`	`cosmos`	`but i have yet to come across /usr/include/linux in any other unix ;)`
`02:29.55`	`JeffM2501`	`the core part`
`02:30.14`	`spldart`	`Ok. IC`
`02:30.41`	`JeffM2501`	`generaly unixes are made for specific hardware`
`02:30.50`	`JeffM2501`	`where linux is build for end user hardware`
`02:30.52`	`cosmos`	`and share some common base`
`02:30.54`	`cosmos`	`ie sysv`
`02:30.56`	`cosmos`	`or bsd`
`02:31.07`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`02:31.24`	`JeffM2501`	`think of linux as inspired by unix`
`02:31.38`	`cosmos`	`i remember when i got tossed out of a dev conference for asking RMS how often he bathed`
`02:31.45`	`cosmos`	`no sens of humor i tell you`
`02:32.17`	`JeffM2501`	`hmmm maybe having the 1 meg zip file download 148 megs of "stuff" is a bit much :)`
`02:33.21`	`cosmos`	`we need to create a public bzflag cheat client for download...it has a few minor cheats but also sends the ip back to a central DB and constantly sends admin messages, "IM A STUPID CHEATER"`
`02:33.28`	`cosmos`	`id love to harvest all the script kiddies`
`02:33.40`	`JeffM2501`	`cosmos, I wrote that like 2 years ago`
`02:33.49`	`cosmos`	`update it and put it back out`
`02:33.57`	`cosmos`	`build your master ban from that ;)`
`02:34.12`	`cosmos`	`my version would also erase their hard drive`
`02:34.13`	`JeffM2501`	`time is better spent on other things`
`02:34.24`	`JeffM2501`	`that one I wrote shortly after`
`02:34.47`	`JeffM2501`	`you should all thank DTRemenak, for today he convinced me not to try a comercial engine :)`
`02:35.09`	`cosmos`	`heh`
`02:35.37`	`JeffM2501`	`tho finding out I'd have to use max, kinda helped that too`
`02:37.10`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm wonder if I should take the pr0n out of the test app`
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`02:42.11`	`spldart`	`LOL`
`02:43.28`	`spldart`	`BLACK!... So much for eating :(`
`02:43.50`	`spldart`	`Or should I say Blech to avoid misunderstanding`
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`02:45.55`	`JeffM2501`	`generaly that kinda food dosn't reheat well`
`02:46.20`	`spldart`	`No.... That's not it.... 'eh.... I'm tweaking :/`
`02:46.36`	`spldart`	`BIG TIME hehe`
`02:46.44`	`JeffM2501`	`what ever floats your boat`
`02:47.04`	`spldart`	`Anywho... I'm laying with wings3d :)`
`02:47.20`	`JeffM2501`	`fun`
`02:47.31`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm going home :)`
`02:47.52`	`spldart`	`nighty night`
`02:47.53`	`spldart`	`hehe`
`02:48.10`	`spldart`	`freakan bzadmin crashed again :mad:`
`02:49.40`	`spldart`	`Now... to get this cylinder squashed`
`02:49.40`	`Mayhem`	`I wonder why doing a ./configure fails out-of-the-box`
`02:51.32`	`Mayhem`	`the test for gl.h fails because the test needs -lpthread to compile`
`02:51.43`	`Mayhem`	`surely its not just me`
`02:56.46`	`spldart`	`Grr! 3d modeling is still kicking my butt`
`02:59.57`	`wegstar`	`:)`
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`03:05.14`	`spldart`	`~query trepan`
`03:05.17`	`spldart`	`doh`
`03:05.46`	`spldart`	`I hope to ask how to export the wing file to something usable in my bzw.`
`03:41.24`	`spldart`	`Time to crash... Night all`
`03:41.24`	`spldart`	`:)`
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`03:46.07`	`uso`	`DTRemenak: are you playing around with pybzflag?`
`03:46.07`	`DTRemenak`	`uso, might be, why?`
`03:46.19`	`DTRemenak`	`it's in a rather sorry state`
`03:46.38`	`uso`	`got some strange log entries from your host, unknown package type 6e72 :)`
`03:47.08`	`DTRemenak`	`haha. you run a 1.10 server?`
`03:47.16`	`uso`	`yes`
`03:47.30`	`DTRemenak`	`6e72 huh. must not have fixed something yet`
`03:48.02`	`DTRemenak`	`MsgNetworkRelay`
`03:48.10`	`DTRemenak`	`that would be dead, probably`
`03:48.39`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, multicast`
`03:48.52`	`uso`	`on server side or in pybzflag?`
`03:49.08`	`DTRemenak`	`pybzflag. as it is in cvs it uses proto 109a`
`03:51.04`	`DTRemenak`	`if it makes you feel any better I get lots of unknown messages back from you :P`
`03:51.07`	`uso`	`lol`
`03:52.02`	`uso`	`it makes me feel better the log entries came from you :)`
`03:52.17`	`DTRemenak`	`heh :)`
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`03:52.32`	`DTRemenak`	`if you'd like me to abuse a different server instead, I can :)`
`03:52.45`	`uso`	`no problem :)`
`03:54.19`	`uso`	`was about to block 131.215.. on my firewall as the server said "possible attack" ;)`
`03:54.27`	`DTRemenak`	`eek :)`
`03:54.46`	`DTRemenak`	`thanks for checking first :)`
`03:55.33`	`uso`	`have fun :)`
`03:55.33`	`uso`	`and get it fixed ;)`
`03:55.58`	`uso`	`pybzflag is 1.10 only?`
`03:56.00`	`DTRemenak`	`heh. we'll see...I'm fairly sure I can get it up to 1.10 spec.`
`03:56.09`	`DTRemenak`	`it's 1.9a0 right now`
`03:56.18`	`uso`	`oops, before 1.10`
`03:56.20`	`DTRemenak`	`never quite made it to 1.10, that's why it's got wierd messages`
`03:56.42`	`Mayhem`	`triclops, what servers do you play on usually?`
`03:56.59`	`DTRemenak`	`I got the map stuff working, which made me immensly happy`
`03:57.26`	`DTRemenak`	`cause it looks so darn cool`
`03:58.05`	`uso`	`map stuff to prepare for 2.0?`
`03:58.19`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, no, or at least not yet`
`03:58.35`	`DTRemenak`	`there's a map viewer and a thumbnail factory and a downloader`
`03:58.41`	`Mayhem`	`it looks cool with 2d maps in pybzflag, watching the tanks run around :)`
`03:58.48`	`DTRemenak`	`which are all working. if you want some screenies I can take them`
`03:59.05`	`uso`	`ah, the @Worldgrabber and @PyObserver callsigns`
`03:59.20`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, Worldgrabber is the downloader`
`03:59.23`	`DTRemenak`	`that works completely now`
`03:59.32`	`uso`	`nice`
`03:59.35`	`DTRemenak`	`PyObserver is the observer-player which...doesn't`
`04:00.10`	`DTRemenak`	`crashes when it gets an oversized MsgTeamUpdate right now`
`04:00.31`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, I guess I can kill the @s actually. ancient observer code`
`04:00.54`	`DTRemenak`	`such a throwback`
`04:01.16`	`Mayhem`	`it wasn't all that long ago than observers were introduced...`
`04:01.25`	`Mayhem`	`bzflag has changed a lot in the last year or so`
`04:01.31`	`triclops`	`Mayhem: i don't play very much, usually I visit secretplace though when I do. the ping is very average`
`04:01.45`	`DTRemenak`	`Mayhem, changed a lot during 1.9 and 1.11`
`04:01.59`	`DTRemenak`	`this code is from the very start of 1.9`
`04:02.05`	`DTRemenak`	`closer to 1.7 really`
`04:02.17`	`Mayhem`	`triclops, ok. I actually found some people on the griffith server yesterday, for a short time!`
`04:02.42`	`DTRemenak`	`1.7 observers were just players with @ in their callsigns, to avoid breaking protocol and adding a real team`
`04:03.39`	`Mayhem`	`heh, those were the days, afraid of breaking protocol each time`
`04:03.39`	`triclops`	`heh, I'd love to have the $$ for bandwidth to setup a server down under`
`04:03.39`	`DTRemenak`	`we still are, actually`
`04:03.39`	`DTRemenak`	`all the 1.10's are protocol-compatible`
`04:03.53`	`DTRemenak`	`over a year's worth of clients which never broke protocol`
`04:04.05`	`Mayhem`	`well, it used to be fear of breakage at all`
`04:04.22`	`Mayhem`	`1.7e6 etc`
`04:04.23`	`DTRemenak`	`it broke between 1.7d and 1.7e`
`04:04.40`	`DTRemenak`	`and was going to for 1.8, which got cancelled`
`04:04.46`	`Mayhem`	`yes, I remember`
`04:05.22`	`Mayhem`	`triclops, I briefly saw a server in Perth the other ady`
`04:05.59`	`wegstar`	`I have a question about the bzflag protocol... MsgAlive is first sent by who?`
`04:06.03`	`triclops`	`we live in hope :)`
`04:06.09`	`uso`	`nice history lesson :)`
`04:06.15`	`Mayhem`	`wegstar, God :)`
`04:06.21`	`wegstar`	`err....`
`04:06.23`	`DTRemenak`	`haha`
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`04:06.31`	`wegstar`	`well.. sure ;)`
`04:06.52`	`Mayhem`	`doesn't the client send it when the player clicks?`
`04:06.55`	`DTRemenak`	`sent by player first`
`04:06.59`	`wegstar`	`ok...`
`04:07.07`	`wegstar`	`what does it return?`
`04:07.07`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, on spawn-ness. iirc`
`04:07.23`	`wegstar`	`err.. the server`
`04:07.39`	`DTRemenak`	`spawn position and velocity, I think`
`04:07.45`	`wegstar`	`ok`
`04:07.50`	`DTRemenak`	`whee, that could be interesting...set random spawn velocities`
`04:07.55`	`wegstar`	`:)`
`04:08.19`	`triclops`	`is the spawn velocity ever not zero?`
`04:08.27`	`DTRemenak`	`ultimately you'll have to look at the code to see what it sends around. the docs are outdated`
`04:08.39`	`DTRemenak`	`triclops, certainly not in current code`
`04:08.49`	`DTRemenak`	`but I suppose there's no reason it couldn't be, if we even send it`
`04:09.38`	`Mayhem`	`in the current code (unless it has changed) the player says where they want to spawn`
`04:09.39`	`DTRemenak`	`that has changed`
`04:09.39`	`Mayhem`	`ok`
`04:09.39`	`DTRemenak`	`server dictates spawn point`
`04:09.40`	`Mayhem`	`finally :)`
`04:09.43`	`DTRemenak`	`see SpawnPosition.cxx`
`04:09.49`	`DTRemenak`	`since 1.10 actually`
`04:09.57`	`DTRemenak`	`but it was rather borken in 1.10. spawns sucked`
`04:10.07`	`wegstar`	`how does the order go? (client side) connect_to_port -> MsgEnter-> MsgAlive ?`
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`04:11.45`	`DTRemenak`	`that's why everyone complained about "bad spawns"`
`04:11.49`	`wizart`	`which isn't necessarily an improvement if you look at the current spawns :)`
`04:11.49`	`DTRemenak`	`wegstar, has to request the world hash and world chunks also. and flag negotiation`
`04:11.50`	`wizart`	`I had pretty bad spawns in 2.0 as well. Like to tanks of opposite teams spawn at almost the same spot.`
`04:11.50`	`DTRemenak`	`wizart, 2.0's are better than 1.10's. still not as good as 1.7's were`
`04:11.54`	`DTRemenak`	`and it's more flexible now. they have the potential to be very good if we start keeping track of shots on the board`
`04:11.57`	`wegstar`	`ah..`
`04:12.05`	`Mayhem`	`yes... I'm looking forward to that`
`04:12.15`	`DTRemenak`	`patches welcome :D`
`04:12.18`	`Mayhem`	`:p`
`04:12.31`	`DTRemenak`	`knew I'd get one of those in today :)`
`04:13.01`	`DTRemenak`	`I need a python guru`
`04:13.22`	`Mayhem`	`everyone's looking for a guru...`
`04:13.23`	`wegstar`	`ask cods :)`
`04:13.42`	`DTRemenak`	`I have a nasty problem with MsgTeamUpdate`
`04:14.25`	`DTRemenak`	`and I don't know enough python to even do an ugly hack around it :(`
`04:14.34`	`wegstar`	`o`
`04:16.39`	`wegstar`	`what's wrong ... ?`
`04:16.41`	`wegstar`	`err..`
`04:17.09`	`DTRemenak`	`it's a variable sized structure depending on how many teams are playing`
`04:17.54`	`DTRemenak`	`it used to be that there was one update sent per team`
`04:18.09`	`DTRemenak`	`now they're all jammed into one packet and I can't figure out how to get them out in an orderly manner`
`04:18.23`	`wegstar`	`unpack() problems? ;)`
`04:19.04`	`DTRemenak`	`no, it's a very abstracted structure, and it automagically figures out the unpacking based on the Struct`
`04:19.16`	`DTRemenak`	`that it's going to unpack into`
`04:19.21`	`wegstar`	`o`
`04:19.35`	`wegstar`	`hmm.. I see`
`04:22.37`	`DTRemenak`	`I think I can use one of the existing classes as a foundation but it'll be a bunch of new code and my total python-writing experience is about 100 lines`
`04:22.53`	`DTRemenak`	`and half of it today :)`
`04:23.13`	`wegstar`	`mine's 34 over 3 months :P`
`04:23.50`	`wegstar`	`I've been reading too many tutorials :)`
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`04:34.03`	`wegstar`	`hm`
`04:34.40`	`wegstar`	`after MsgAlive.. is there anything else needed by the server?`
`04:34.50`	`wegstar`	`i.e. is the client required to request the world...`
`04:36.35`	`DTRemenak`	`dunno if it's required, but it's done before MsgAlive`
`04:36.40`	`DTRemenak`	`same with flag negotiation`
`04:36.46`	`DTRemenak`	`check bzadmin to see if it's required, I guess`
`04:36.51`	`wegstar`	`ah.. ok...`
`04:38.43`	`uso`	`bed is calling`
`04:39.01`	`uso`	`DTRemenak: good luck! and be free to test :)`
`04:39.11`	`DTRemenak`	`uso, thanks :)`
`04:39.18`	`DTRemenak`	`and thanks for not banning me... ;)`
`04:40.48`	`wegstar`	`O_o`
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`06:23.48`	`Mayhem`	`thats better`
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`06:26.20`	`Mayhem`	`is there any documentation on the list server protocol?`
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`06:27.05`	`Mayhem`	`wb rest-of-the-world`
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`06:33.34`	`Mayhem`	`in case I was talking to myself, is there any documentation on the list server protocol?`
`06:33.51`	`Mayhem`	`apart from the source code :)`
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`10:26.05`	`eva-00`	`hello`
`10:26.12`	`eva-00`	`someone speak french ?`
`10:26.16`	`eva-00`	`-_-`
`10:26.27`	`tupone`	`italian?`
`10:27.31`	`jpa-`	`i can speak finnish if you'd like to? :)`
`10:28.30`	`Pimpinella`	`hmseems none of our french speakers here`
`10:29.06`	`tupone`	`bonne appetite`
`10:29.36`	`jpa-`	`tupone: mit� selit�t?`
`10:30.08`	`tupone`	`che hai detto?`
`10:30.41`	`tupone`	`:)`
`10:34.30`	`ToughShooter`	`~x it de che hai detto`
`10:34.41`	`jpa-`	`lol :)`
`10:34.44`	`ToughShooter`	`~x it en che hai detto`
`10:35.28`	`tupone`	`what have you said`
`10:35.41`	`ToughShooter`	`Babelfish should be recursive ;-)`
`10:35.44`	`jpa-`	`~tr fi en mit� selit�t?`
`10:35.45`	`ibot`	`what are you talking about?`
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`10:46.08`	`tupone`	`jpa-: what are you explaining?`
`10:46.36`	`jpa-`	`actually, that might be even better translation`
`10:46.46`	`jpa-`	`since when have you spoken finnish? :)`
`10:47.00`	`tupone`	`never`
`10:48.15`	`tupone`	`not a very useful language here, unless going after some beautiful girl`
`10:48.46`	`jpa-`	`and.. if that girl is finnish, she wouldn't want an italian who speaks finnish :)`
`10:49.26`	`tupone`	`yeah,that is why I don't know any word of it :)`
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`12:16.41`	`Pimpinella`	`build up a fresh woody chroot with packages from backports.org to satisfy build deps for the 2.0.2 src.deb`
`12:17.51`	`Pimpinella`	`2.0.2 builds fine, but cvs spits out the same errors as before`
`12:18.29`	`Mayhem`	`errors, what ho?`
`12:18.46`	`Pimpinella`	`s/errors/warnings`
`12:19.27`	`Pimpinella`	`http://balin.pimpi.org/woody.errors`
`12:19.44`	`Pimpinella`	`as an example`
`12:30.47`	`uso_w`	`these warnings are consequence of the -Wshadow option`
`12:30.57`	`uso_w`	`but it does build in the end?`
`12:31.06`	`uso_w`	`so ignore them or remove -Wshadow ;)`
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`13:58.24`	`Pimpinella`	`uso_w: but why do i get them on woody, not on sid though?`
`13:59.13`	`Chestal`	`Pimpinella: my guess is old compiler version which does not hide standard stuff in namespace std`
`14:00.28`	`Pimpinella`	`ack, i'm just confused why i have them now, but never before`
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`14:02.08`	`Chestal`	`Pimpinella: because a new warning option was added recently`
`14:02.37`	`Pimpinella`	`ah, that explains...`
`14:02.53`	`Pimpinella`	`prolly i should learn more about my compiler`
`14:02.55`	`Pimpinella`	`...`
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`14:27.07`	`menotume`	`I have a stupid *nix question. How does one 'echo' to stderr instead of stdout ?`
`14:27.43`	`Pimpinella`	`1>&2`
`14:27.44`	`BearPerson`	`echo "foo" >&2`
`14:27.50`	`BearPerson`	`yeah`
`14:28.07`	`menotume`	`ahhh, right - kewl THX`
`14:28.08`	`Pimpinella`	`1 is obsolete`
`14:28.23`	`BearPerson`	`n>&m redirects everything written to fd n to fd m`
`14:28.38`	`BearPerson`	`usually 2>&1 or 1>&2 are the only sane combinations`
`14:29.07`	`Pimpinella`	`not neccesarily`
`14:29.22`	`Pimpinella`	`you can define other channels`
`14:29.45`	`Pimpinella`	`and do useful things with then`
`14:29.46`	`BearPerson`	`I know. I said "usually" ;-)`
`14:29.50`	`Pimpinella`	`them`
`14:29.53`	`Pimpinella`	`k ;)`
`14:30.00`	`BearPerson`	`<&2 is interesting too :)`
`14:30.30`	`BearPerson`	`if stdin (and stdout) are redirected and stderr still points to the terminal it even works`
`14:30.53`	`BearPerson`	`admins don't get a message about players removed due to lag?`
`14:32.36`	`Pimpinella`	`dunno if _Manu_ ported it yet`
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`14:33.16`	`spldart`	`Morning`
`14:33.22`	`BearPerson`	`good`
`14:33.24`	`Pimpinella`	`hi`
`14:33.51`	`BearPerson`	`should be easy`
`14:33.57`	`Pimpinella`	`it is`
`14:34.17`	`BearPerson`	`IMO admins on spectator should receive team chat... might patch that up sometime today`
`14:34.30`	`BearPerson`	`if it is wanted`
`14:35.29`	`Pimpinella`	`patches welcome ;)`
`14:36.02`	`BearPerson`	`btw, is there a recommended procedure against excessive laggers on viper?`
`14:36.43`	`Pimpinella`	`if they are within the limit it's ok, if not they are auto kicked`
`14:37.02`	`BearPerson`	`other than that, keep quiet?`
`14:37.04`	`Pimpinella`	`if they come back, they are to be warned and banned`
`14:37.17`	`Pimpinella`	`yeah`
`14:37.45`	`Pimpinella`	`decide as you see fit for packet loss or excessive jitter`
`14:38.17`	`BearPerson`	`did you get the patch for /msg >admin done yet?`
`14:38.54`	`Pimpinella`	`it's not installed yet if you mean that`
`14:39.04`	`BearPerson`	`but it would work and is tested?`
`14:40.49`	`*** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net)`
`14:40.56`	`BearPerson`	`Is there an easy way to check team balance from bzadmin?`
`14:41.05`	`Pimpinella`	`seems basic_string::compare(size_t, size_t, const string) is broken here`
`14:41.18`	`Pimpinella`	`unfortunately not`
`14:41.20`	`BearPerson`	`~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158`
`14:41.45`	`Pimpinella`	`BearPerson: it works and is tested`
`14:41.50`	`BearPerson`	`good :)`
`14:41.56`	`ToughShooter`	`~bzflist`
`14:41.57`	`BearPerson`	`>admin it is?`
`14:42.02`	`Pimpinella`	`on sid, buid fails on woody`
`14:42.17`	`Pimpinella`	`yep`
`14:45.55`	`*** join/#bzflag jooocker (~5287f819@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`14:46.06`	`*** join/#bzflag BenUrban (~benurban@pcp07709741pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net)`
`14:48.50`	`TheRedBaron`	`Dtremenak: what kind of sadistic person are you that would run a server disabling radar?!?`
`14:51.10`	`Pimpinella`	`grrrl, compare takes arguments in different orders depending on version of libstdc++`
`14:51.42`	`Pimpinella`	`TheRedBaron: i love that map :)`
`14:51.58`	`Chestal`	`Pimpinella: hmm?`
`14:52.01`	`Pimpinella`	`i also like lasertag :)`
`14:52.32`	`Chestal`	`which compare?`
`14:52.55`	`Pimpinella`	`basic_string::compare takes (string, size_t, size_t) on what i have on woody`
`14:52.56`	`TheRedBaron`	`pimpinella, great map, but no radar? you know thats sacrilege!`
`14:53.19`	`creeperz`	`no radar is a shame`
`14:53.21`	`Pimpinella`	`(size_t, size_t, string) on sid though`
`14:53.27`	`creeperz`	`its a low down dirty rotten shame`
`14:53.35`	`BenUrban`	`the proper way to "fix" that problem is to remove the option that turns off the radar`
`14:53.40`	`*** join/#bzflag newbie_dont (~a@fw.newitech.pl)`
`14:53.49`	`BenUrban`	`:)`
`14:54.37`	`TheRedBaron`	`creeperz exactly!`
`14:55.00`	`creeperz`	`the actual proper way to fix the problem is to kill the server`
`14:55.07`	`BenUrban`	`well`
`14:55.08`	`BenUrban`	`that too`
`14:55.09`	`creeperz`	`and the owner`
`14:55.12`	`BenUrban`	`:)`
`14:55.17`	`TheRedBaron`	`and string up DTremenak for hosting such a configuration`
`14:55.22`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`14:56.28`	`TheRedBaron`	`for heresey, and inciting revolt.`
`14:57.02`	`BenUrban`	`revolt = disgust in this case, right?`
`14:57.05`	`BenUrban`	`:)`
`14:57.32`	`TheRedBaron`	`~dict revolt`
`14:57.46`	`TheRedBaron`	`~more`
`14:57.47`	`ibot`	`somebody said more was Displays the contents of the named files, one screenful at a time. Syntax: more (file1) (file2) ...(fileN). Where file1 through fileN are the files to display. Example: more papers/history-final displays the file papers/history-final.`
`14:57.56`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`14:59.43`	`BenUrban`	`:)`
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`15:00.02`	`TheRedBaron`	`one day I will get my Full screen radar!`
`15:00.10`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`15:02.00`	`TheRedBaron`	`you laugh... but you will see the light!`
`15:02.17`	`TheRedBaron`	`bzflag will transcend to a new level!`
`15:03.37`	`BearPerson`	`full screen window and a small half-transparent out-the-window view in the corner? ;-)`
`15:03.44`	`BearPerson`	`s/window/radar/`
`15:03.50`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`15:04.02`	`BenUrban`	`sounds good`
`15:04.05`	`BenUrban`	`now go code it!`
`15:04.08`	`TheRedBaron`	`who needs "out-the-window / hud"?`
`15:04.16`	`BenUrban`	`the newbies of course`
`15:04.24`	`jpa-`	`wings with radar is not fun :)`
`15:04.27`	`DarthValou`	`out of the window is useless!`
`15:04.36`	`BenUrban`	`and those who fight ST`
`15:04.39`	`BearPerson`	`and the ones with the radar jamming flag ;-)`
`15:04.41`	`BenUrban`	`without SE`
`15:04.45`	`BenUrban`	`yeah that too`
`15:04.47`	`BearPerson`	`or whatever it's called`
`15:04.50`	`BenUrban`	`JM`
`15:04.52`	`BenUrban`	`i think`
`15:05.01`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`15:05.04`	`BenUrban`	`me too :P`
`15:05.15`	`jpa-`	`aww`
`15:05.18`	`BearPerson`	`it'd be pretty interesting`
`15:05.18`	`BenUrban`	`but in a different flag from MQ`
`15:05.23`	`TheRedBaron`	`bearperson: yup i've talked to the devs about it. some agree that its a bug that it hasn't been ported to the radar`
`15:05.23`	`BearPerson`	`yeah`
`15:05.44`	`BearPerson`	`no, MQ itself shouldn't influence the radar too IMO`
`15:05.57`	`BearPerson`	`there should be a seperate flag that does radar but not out-the-window`
`15:06.01`	`BenUrban`	`there should be a seperate flag for it`
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`15:06.02`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ`
`15:06.04`	`BenUrban`	`yeah`
`15:06.15`	`BearPerson`	`normally radar is the one way you recognize MQs`
`15:06.28`	`TheRedBaron`	`no, not a seperate flag,`
`15:06.31`	`BenUrban`	`and the other ways are by the shot colors`
`15:06.39`	`BenUrban`	`and the behavior (usually)`
`15:06.42`	`TheRedBaron`	`look at CB, it effects radar and HUD, so should MQ`
`15:06.51`	`BenUrban`	`CB?`
`15:06.52`	`BearPerson`	`cb?`
`15:07.01`	`BearPerson`	`ST only influences one, as does CL`
`15:07.05`	`TheRedBaron`	`color blindness`
`15:07.10`	`BearPerson`	`and IMO MQ is about the same level as ST and CL`
`15:07.16`	`BenUrban`	`that's a self inflicted flag`
`15:07.16`	`BearPerson`	`acronym hell ;-)`
`15:07.44`	`TheRedBaron`	`bearperson: ST and CL are wonderful flags, MQ is rather useless without effecting the radar`
`15:07.59`	`BearPerson`	`well, it hides you pretty well in a crowd`
`15:07.59`	`BenUrban`	`then make one that only affects the radar`
`15:08.03`	`BenUrban`	`yeah`
`15:08.10`	`BearPerson`	`and from newbies`
`15:08.29`	`BenUrban`	`and it can confuse the hell out of oyu momentarily if you're not expecting it`
`15:08.33`	`BearPerson`	`gives you that split second advantage too`
`15:08.34`	`TheRedBaron`	`ST negates the powerful Radar, and CL saves your hide from laser.`
`15:08.43`	`BearPerson`	`hehe`
`15:08.47`	`TheRedBaron`	`MQ saves you from newbies, (which one rarely needs saving from)`
`15:08.59`	`BearPerson`	`but MQ for radar and window would be just too powerful IMO`
`15:09.14`	`BearPerson`	`only way to notice would be through shots (too late) and identify`
`15:09.25`	`BenUrban`	`s/identify/seer/`
`15:09.32`	`TheRedBaron`	`no, you have the counter seer`
`15:09.34`	`BenUrban`	`and behavior to a lesser extent`
`15:09.38`	`jpa-`	`s/seer/identify/`
`15:09.43`	`BearPerson`	`:)`
`15:09.45`	`TheRedBaron`	`then what about GM, its only counter is ST`
`15:09.50`	`BearPerson`	`no`
`15:09.56`	`BearPerson`	`skill is a counter too`
`15:09.56`	`TheRedBaron`	`what about laser? its only counter flag is L`
`15:10.01`	`BearPerson`	`or CL`
`15:10.05`	`jpa-`	`and CL`
`15:10.05`	`TheRedBaron`	`same with MQ`
`15:10.06`	`BearPerson`	`or wings`
`15:10.23`	`TheRedBaron`	`you don't ever identify a player to see what flag he is carrying before engagement?`
`15:10.25`	`BenUrban`	`mq is not a weapon itself`
`15:10.26`	`jpa-`	`what about SW? :)`
`15:10.30`	`BearPerson`	`theEnemy, not always`
`15:10.34`	`BearPerson`	`sorry`
`15:10.37`	`BenUrban`	`hehe`
`15:10.43`	`BenUrban`	`crappy nick completion :)`
`15:10.44`	`BearPerson`	`jpa-, distance shoots SW ;-)`
`15:10.45`	`TheRedBaron`	`well, then, its your fault you get fragged :)`
`15:11.07`	`BenUrban`	`mq is by nature a defensive flag`
`15:11.09`	`BearPerson`	`I don't have time to identify 5+ players`
`15:11.24`	`BenUrban`	`so it belongs in the same class as cl and st`
`15:11.25`	`BearPerson`	`plus I wouldn't have any reason to identify someone sneaking through my grounds`
`15:11.37`	`TheRedBaron`	`CL is defensive?`
`15:11.42`	`BenUrban`	`by nature it is`
`15:11.43`	`BearPerson`	`yeah`
`15:11.51`	`BenUrban`	`but it's usually used offensively`
`15:11.53`	`TheRedBaron`	`CL is offensive against Laser.`
`15:12.03`	`TheRedBaron`	`thats because the best defense is a good offense`
`15:12.17`	`BenUrban`	`uhh`
`15:12.22`	`BenUrban`	`i think you're confused...`
`15:12.25`	`TheRedBaron`	`nope`
`15:12.26`	`BearPerson`	`with super-MQ you could just go through enemy camp and shoot people at point-blank range`
`15:12.34`	`BenUrban`	`exactly`
`15:12.38`	`BearPerson`	`you could kill a lot before anyone notices`
`15:12.45`	`TheRedBaron`	`same with ST.`
`15:12.49`	`BearPerson`	`and that'd be way too powerful`
`15:12.52`	`BearPerson`	`you can see ST`
`15:12.53`	`TheRedBaron`	`Same with laser and rico`
`15:12.55`	`BenUrban`	`with ST they can see you`
`15:13.08`	`BearPerson`	`you can drop down on laser`
`15:13.08`	`Chestal`	`ST is for sneaky people`
`15:13.09`	`BenUrban`	`people notice if an enemy is right in front of them`
`15:13.17`	`BenUrban`	`even if they're not on radar`
`15:13.22`	`TheRedBaron`	`MQ effecting radar wouldn't be that powerful...`
`15:13.29`	`Chestal`	`but ST ismuch more powerful than CL (except against laser)`
`15:13.45`	`BearPerson`	`it would be, believe me`
`15:13.58`	`BearPerson`	`because sometimes MQ is better than CL`
`15:14.10`	`BearPerson`	`and radar-MQ would be better than ST in some situations`
`15:14.14`	`Chestal`	`if there is no laser, CL is not very useful IMHO`
`15:14.20`	`BearPerson`	`and ST is already one of the most powerful flags`
`15:14.25`	`Chestal`	`maybe against newbies`
`15:14.27`	`BenUrban`	`Chestal: heh, i disagree :)`
`15:14.31`	`BearPerson`	`or on maps with jumping`
`15:14.39`	`Chestal`	`quick turn - well, that is a powerful flag :-)`
`15:14.43`	`BenUrban`	`the jumping makes it damn good`
`15:15.04`	`TheRedBaron`	`no, with jumping you hit them on the landing`
`15:15.11`	`BearPerson`	`if you can`
`15:15.12`	`TheRedBaron`	`jumping should be a last ditch effort to survive`
`15:15.19`	`Chestal`	`lag makes it too hard for me to hit jumping people`
`15:15.24`	`BenUrban`	`it also hides you quite well if you have cl`
`15:15.26`	`Chestal`	`I usually need at least two shots`
`15:15.26`	`BearPerson`	`aye`
`15:15.43`	`BenUrban`	`since it's almost impossible to tell altitude precisely enough on radar alone`
`15:15.53`	`TheRedBaron`	`no, its not imposible at all.`
`15:15.58`	`TheRedBaron`	`not if radar is all you use.`
`15:16.04`	`TheRedBaron`	`that is why I would love a full screen radar`
`15:16.39`	`BearPerson`	`which some have`
`15:16.45`	`BearPerson`	`and others call cheating then`
`15:16.49`	`BenUrban`	`yep`
`15:17.06`	`BenUrban`	`if some have it and some don't, it is cheating`
`15:17.19`	`TheRedBaron`	`bearperson, what size is your radar?`
`15:17.28`	`BearPerson`	`regular`
`15:17.35`	`TheRedBaron`	`BenUrban: what size is yours?`
`15:17.38`	`BenUrban`	`defalt`
`15:17.41`	`BenUrban`	`*default`
`15:17.43`	`BearPerson`	`yours is probably cranked up all the way`
`15:17.45`	`TheRedBaron`	`ahh....`
`15:17.48`	`TheRedBaron`	`yes it is.`
`15:18.01`	`TheRedBaron`	`default size is 10. mine is a size 28`
`15:18.17`	`BearPerson`	`well, if full-screen radar is done, I'd like it to be disable-able on a per-server basis`
`15:18.18`	`BenUrban`	`well then you're not normal enough to make such a decision :D`
`15:18.27`	`BenUrban`	`agreed`
`15:18.54`	`BenUrban`	`how many other people here use a non-default radar size?`
`15:18.54`	`TheRedBaron`	`normal?`
`15:19.11`	`BenUrban`	`TheRedBaron: heh, face it, youre not normal :P`
`15:19.20`	`BenUrban`	`not that any of the rest of us are either`
`15:19.22`	`BenUrban`	`:)`
`15:19.44`	`TheRedBaron`	`not to sound egotistict, But how many normal radar people can beat me?`
`15:20.08`	`BenUrban`	`(in the game)`
`15:20.20`	`BenUrban`	`of course i doubt i can beat you anyway`
`15:20.23`	`TheRedBaron`	`I stick to ducati and GU.`
`15:20.27`	`BenUrban`	`ah`
`15:20.41`	`BenUrban`	`wait, gu as in gamesunited?`
`15:20.45`	`BearPerson`	`I may have seen you around then`
`15:20.51`	`BenUrban`	`yeah, me too...`
`15:20.53`	`TheRedBaron`	`yes gamesunited`
`15:21.05`	`BenUrban`	`bzflag0 or bzflag1?`
`15:21.13`	`TheRedBaron`	`either one.`
`15:21.18`	`BenUrban`	`hmm`
`15:21.21`	`BenUrban`	`i stick to 0`
`15:21.24`	`BenUrban`	`usally`
`15:21.25`	`tupone`	`I see both :( Died a lot with RB2`
`15:21.29`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: fix error caused by buggy implementation of stl`
`15:21.41`	`TheRedBaron`	`C3PO rocks!`
`15:21.47`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`15:22.18`	`BenUrban`	`well anyway, the vast majority of players are nowhere near as immersed in the game as you seem to be`
`15:22.20`	`tupone`	`ty :)`
`15:22.36`	`TheRedBaron`	`BenUrban: true.`
`15:23.07`	`BenUrban`	`therefore you shouldn't be making that kind of decision for them/us :P`
`15:23.08`	`TheRedBaron`	`but really, you should try a bigger radar. If you learn to use it to dodge and shoot, you'll survive much longer`
`15:23.25`	`BenUrban`	`well, i may start using a bigger radar eventually`
`15:23.39`	`TheRedBaron`	`I never made a decision for anyone...`
`15:23.47`	`BearPerson`	`bbl, doing a little copping on viper`
`15:23.48`	`TheRedBaron`	`I may have influenced some, but never made them :P`
`15:23.53`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`15:25.43`	`*** join/#bzflag Mikk (~Mikk@c-24-60-35-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)`
`15:40.57`	`*** join/#bzflag Teppic (~Teppic@cpc1-cbly2-5-0-cust239.glfd.cable.ntl.com)`
`15:44.58`	`BearPerson`	`Pimpinella, _Manu_, I think viper is down`
`15:45.06`	`Pimpinella`	`yeah, my fault`
`15:45.14`	`BearPerson`	`restart for updates?`
`15:45.18`	`Pimpinella`	`may take a few minutes`
`15:45.41`	`Pimpinella`	`yeah, but updating usually takes only 3 seconds`
`15:47.11`	`tupone`	`don'add ID flag`
`15:48.00`	`Pimpinella`	`..hm, is that bug still unfixed?`
`15:48.01`	`ToughShooter`	`Tupone: What's wrong with ID?`
`15:48.01`	`BearPerson`	`btw, I think the server MOTD still says that /poll is disabled`
`15:48.13`	`Pimpinella`	`true`
`15:48.28`	`Pimpinella`	`don't have time for that yet though`
`15:48.39`	`tupone`	`ToughShooter: ID unhide flag to cheater`
`15:49.46`	`jpa-`	`hmm?`
`15:49.54`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm.. Bot which finds out where flags are?`
`15:50.47`	`Pimpinella`	`a client cheat`
`15:50.53`	`tupone`	`cheater display kind of flag as color in radar (good or bad)`
`15:51.06`	`Pimpinella`	`displays flags colored on radar`
`15:51.09`	`tupone`	`without ID they cannot anymore`
`15:51.59`	`ToughShooter`	`Thanks for clarification`
`15:53.35`	`ToughShooter`	`If I am right this means without bad flags ID is fine.`
`15:53.44`	`BearPerson`	`maybe not`
`15:53.45`	`Pimpinella`	`no`
`15:53.52`	`BearPerson`	`since they could also color L and stuff`
`15:53.55`	`jpa-`	`one can identify superfalgs too`
`15:54.15`	`jpa-`	`ID is fine if there are no other flags :)`
`15:54.30`	`BearPerson`	`or one other flag :)`
`15:54.56`	`ToughShooter`	`Aww`
`15:55.03`	`jpa-`	`nope, then one could check what is identify and what is not )`
`15:55.21`	`BearPerson`	`right`
`15:55.25`	`BearPerson`	`without identify`
`15:55.36`	`jpa-`	`maybe identify should work like the cheat by default..`
`15:55.41`	`jpa-`	`that would make it more useful`
`15:55.56`	`BearPerson`	`it more or less does`
`15:55.57`	`BearPerson`	`I guess the problem is cheaters can pretend they have the flag`
`15:56.23`	`BearPerson`	`and just request to see all flags... which would be kindof noticeable on a no-ID-server`
`15:56.27`	`BearPerson`	`in the logs`
`15:56.38`	`Pimpinella`	`rebooting after 120 days`
`15:56.51`	`tupone`	`the problem is that with ID, all the flag must be known by the client, in the current coding`
`15:57.39`	`BenUrban`	`the real problem is that the client knows too much`
`15:57.44`	`BenUrban`	`and controls too much`
`15:58.10`	`BearPerson`	`Pimpinella, back up now?`
`15:58.23`	`jpa-`	`lets run bzflag on a server and have people VNC to it :)`
`15:58.29`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`15:58.44`	`tupone`	`patches welcome`
`15:59.56`	`BearPerson`	`hehe`
`16:01.54`	`JeffM2501`	`but are they realy welcome?`
`16:02.31`	`BearPerson`	`welcome, but not always accepted... like foreigners... (dry humor)`
`16:04.04`	`tupone`	`after 3 days of staying, they are rejected`
`16:04.35`	`BearPerson`	`are they?`
`16:05.00`	`tupone`	`like host at home :)`
`16:05.24`	`BearPerson`	`heh`
`16:05.29`	`tupone`	`like the fish, after 3 days it smell`
`16:06.28`	`JeffM2501`	`yes but you can bathe people to fix that problem.`
`16:07.55`	`Pimpinella`	`BearPerson: should be up again`
`16:08.03`	`BearPerson`	`checking`
`16:08.21`	`BearPerson`	`yeah`
`16:08.26`	`BearPerson`	`with or without PZ? ;-)`
`16:08.35`	`Pimpinella`	`no idea`
`16:09.07`	`Pimpinella`	`_Manu_ has to add it, i won't add such a useless flag ;)`
`16:11.14`	`TheRedBaron`	`nothing more irritating than a PZ tank near a tele :)`
`16:13.30`	`TheRedBaron`	`JeffM2501, does guu log at all?`
`16:14.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't think so`
`16:14.38`	`spldart`	`can you assing a color in the group.....`
`16:14.54`	`JeffM2501`	`let me look tho`
`16:15.05`	`spldart`	`Multiple instances of a obj and mulitple colors one for each`
`16:15.55`	`JeffM2501`	`TheRedBaron, I think she just logs her errors and states, not like a channel log`
`16:15.59`	`JeffM2501`	`ibot does channel logs`
`16:16.06`	`JeffM2501`	`so didn't think guu needed to do them as well`
`16:16.10`	`TheRedBaron`	`yes, but ibot misses alot.`
`16:16.17`	`spldart`	`Or should I say. define an mesh.. Then make each one a different color in the group`
`16:16.17`	`TheRedBaron`	`like ALOT....`
`16:16.24`	`JeffM2501`	`ibot should not miss any channel that it's in`
`16:16.27`	`JeffM2501`	`what does it miss?`
`16:16.39`	`TheRedBaron`	`conversations...`
`16:16.48`	`TheRedBaron`	`in a public channel.`
`16:16.54`	`TheRedBaron`	`~logs`
`16:16.55`	`ibot`	`well, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz`
`16:17.01`	`JeffM2501`	`so your saying that ibot logs don't have text shown here?`
`16:17.14`	`TheRedBaron`	`exactly`
`16:19.11`	`JeffM2501`	`I've never seen it do that`
`16:19.16`	`*** join/#bzflag Chikorita (~462008fc@genesis.concept69.de)`
`16:19.29`	`JeffM2501`	`it's allways a day late`
`16:19.39`	`JeffM2501`	`but I've not seen it not show text when the bot is here`
`16:20.11`	`JeffM2501`	`I could turn loging on guu, but I don't have sites set up to view it like ibot does`
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`16:21.24`	`TheRedBaron`	`Jeffm2501: hmm looking at the logs with firefox, its not missing text now...`
`16:22.17`	`JeffM2501`	`basicly supybot itself dosn't do loging`
`16:22.23`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd have to install plugins`
`16:22.37`	`TheRedBaron`	`ok, just wondering.`
`16:23.15`	`JeffM2501`	`now this IRC client logs everything :)`
`16:23.15`	`TheRedBaron`	`its odd though. WIth IE i had to download the *.HTM file and then read the log, and they were missing huge amounts of text`
`16:23.27`	`JeffM2501`	`they are gziped`
`16:23.33`	`JeffM2501`	`ie may not decompress them right`
`16:23.43`	`JeffM2501`	`ie blows anyway`
`16:23.52`	`JeffM2501`	`use firefox`
`16:23.57`	`JeffM2501`	`the power of tabs compells you`
`16:24.22`	`spldart`	`Anyone? :((`
`16:24.29`	`TheRedBaron`	`I do use Firefox, But lately i've had trouble getting it to run behind a proxy`
`16:24.47`	`JeffM2501`	`remove the proxy :)`
`16:24.55`	`TheRedBaron`	`ah Ha, i foudn some text ibot missed.`
`16:25.03`	`JeffM2501`	`then let tim know`
`16:25.05`	`TheRedBaron`	`JeffM2501: don't worry I will soon...`
`16:25.10`	`TheRedBaron`	`ok.`
`16:28.02`	`JeffM2501`	`how do you know it's missing text?`
`16:30.04`	`TheRedBaron`	`because i remember what i said, it its not printed...`
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`16:30.36`	`TheRedBaron`	`or shown. plus you kinda get the idea when you are trying to follow the conversation and its highly fragmented.`
`16:31.15`	`JeffM2501`	`got an example?`
`16:31.23`	`JeffM2501`	`perhaps it is your proxy`
`16:31.29`	`JeffM2501`	`filtering out ditry words`
`16:31.31`	`JeffM2501`	`like "game"`
`16:31.36`	`JeffM2501`	`and "fun"`
`16:31.48`	`TheRedBaron`	`or paintball?`
`16:31.54`	`TheRedBaron`	`thats what i said...`
`16:33.09`	`JeffM2501`	`in this channel?`
`16:33.10`	`TheRedBaron`	`http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzleague/20050415.html.gz`
`16:33.25`	`TheRedBaron`	`no in #bzleague`
`16:33.29`	`JeffM2501`	`skit, what no tiny cheat or dodging skills in paintball?`
`16:33.47`	`TheRedBaron`	`http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzleague/20050415.html.gz`
`16:33.50`	`TheRedBaron`	`erk`
`16:33.56`	`JeffM2501`	`19:03.49TheRedBaronskit, what no tiny cheat or dodging skills in paintball?`
`16:34.04`	`JeffM2501`	`you said paintball`
`16:34.04`	`TheRedBaron`	`no not that`
`16:34.10`	`TheRedBaron`	`19:00.48orangethey are if they have large portions of skin missing on one leg`
`16:34.19`	`TheRedBaron`	`19:01.17Birdiei'm jalous now`
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`16:34.36`	`TheRedBaron`	`between those time stamps i said "ok must run. Friends are over to play paintball`
`16:35.00`	`TheRedBaron`	`birdie then replies "im jalous now. paintball is so cool"`
`16:35.04`	`JeffM2501`	`wierd`
`16:35.07`	`JeffM2501`	`tell tim`
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`16:35.17`	`TheRedBaron`	`ok.`
`16:35.21`	`JeffM2501`	`was it maybe a /me thing`
`16:36.08`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't see any emotes`
`16:36.12`	`JeffM2501`	`it may not log emotes`
`16:36.49`	`TheRedBaron`	`could be jeff, but I don't remember...`
`16:37.18`	`JeffM2501`	`mail tim and let him knwo`
`16:37.26`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll bet it was a /me tho`
`16:38.00`	`TheRedBaron`	`i'll do that.`
`16:38.09`	`TheRedBaron`	`Lunch time though. cheerio`
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`17:32.03`	`cosmos_`	`new pope was captain in the nazi german army`
`17:32.28`	`jpa-`	`i was not!`
`17:34.52`	`cosmos_`	`captain kangaroo!`
`17:35.39`	`BearPerson`	`papa razzi`
`17:37.32`	`spldart`	`No ish???`
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`17:44.19`	`cosmos_`	`this just in, after hearing the news of his election new pope joseph ratzinger died of a heart attack`
`17:44.27`	`cosmos_`	`78 years old...sheesh`
`17:44.42`	`cosmos_`	`cant they look in the youthful 50's for a succesor?`
`17:45.50`	`jpa-`	`uh..`
`17:45.53`	`Chestal`	`a boring choice`
`17:45.58`	`jpa-`	`true?`
`17:47.28`	`cosmos_`	`didnt the pope right before john paul live like a year or less?`
`17:48.05`	`jpa-`	`a few days.. it was john paul I`
`17:48.38`	`jpa-`	`oh well, he lived longer, but only a few days after his selection`
`17:48.40`	`cosmos_`	`yeah exactly`
`17:49.03`	`cosmos_`	`your rolling the dice picking people so close to 80 years old`
`17:49.09`	`jpa-`	`but, did i understand correctly, did it happen to the new pope too?`
`17:49.34`	`cosmos_`	`no it was a joke about him being a bit elderly`
`17:49.50`	`jpa-`	`ah`
`17:50.06`	`jpa-`	`i thought so, just wanted to make sure`
`17:51.37`	`spldart`	`I know I still have to fix the floor but what do you think guys? http://spldart.bakadigital.com:92/airhockey.png`
`17:52.43`	`jpa-`	`do those things move and push tanks around?`
`17:52.49`	`jpa-`	`and is friction 0?`
`17:53.13`	`cosmos_`	`you need an airbrushed naked lady background for true air hockey atmosphere`
`17:53.29`	`BearPerson`	`he said he needed to fix the floor ;-)`
`17:53.41`	`BearPerson`	`what's with the black specks?`
`17:54.14`	`spldart`	`http://spldart.bakadigital.com:92/paddle.png`
`17:54.26`	`jpa-`	`i wonder why i haven't seen any porn-bzflagserver yet, while texture downloading has been there for a month or more`
`17:54.43`	`spldart`	`black specks flags, friction is low`
`17:54.54`	`spldart`	`I will recolor the blue team paddle to blue`
`17:54.55`	`JeffM2501`	`by default it only downloads textures from a bzflag.org domain`
`17:55.17`	`jpa-`	`yup :/`
`17:55.22`	`BearPerson`	`??`
`17:55.52`	`spldart`	`paddles and puck do not move but you can climb into a paddle and drive around.`
`17:55.54`	`JeffM2501`	`so the only ones who could pr0n everyone, are DTRemenak, tim, nid, learner, and myself.`
`17:56.02`	`spldart`	`hehe`
`17:56.19`	`spldart`	`I thought you could redirect it to grab a png from another place`
`17:56.35`	`JeffM2501`	`the map can specify any place`
`17:56.48`	`JeffM2501`	`the security file on the client by default allows bzflag.org only`
`17:56.57`	`JeffM2501`	`for protection of the childrens`
`17:57.12`	`spldart`	`Ah...`
`17:57.14`	`*** join/#bzflag \|zongo\| (~zongo@80-218-207-188.dclient.hispeed.ch)`
`17:57.22`	`JeffM2501`	`if you change your file to allow all, then you get all textures from anywhere`
`17:57.25`	`spldart`	`So I may not be able to have the majority see my borders`
`17:57.40`	`JeffM2501`	`they would need to add the baka to there allow lists`
`17:57.42`	`spldart`	`semicircle around bases and the half field marks`
`17:57.48`	`jpa-`	`it could be made with a lot of tiny faces with diffuse :)`
`17:57.50`	`spldart`	`yeah`
`17:58.04`	`JeffM2501`	`one reason why I'm working on a system where servers have auth to be listed`
`17:58.05`	`spldart`	`Is that practical jpa?`
`17:58.09`	`jpa-`	`nope`
`17:58.13`	`JeffM2501`	`so you can know if you "trust" them`
`17:58.14`	`spldart`	`heh`
`17:58.24`	`Pimpinella`	`hmm? they really made razinger the new pope?`
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`17:58.38`	`jpa-`	`also, you could try to get some nice JeffM2501 to add your textures to bzflag.org...`
`17:58.45`	`spldart`	`Any input on the map from anyone... Other than naked ladies ;)`
`17:58.59`	`spldart`	`LoL`
`17:59.21`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd have to see if nid is amiable to it, if he is, then yeah I could set up a repository where aproved images could go`
`17:59.33`	`spldart`	`That would be cool`
`17:59.44`	`jpa-`	`while i doupt there exists such a thing as nice JeffM2501`
`17:59.56`	`spldart`	`I still haven't figured out how to apply my png to the floor without tiling :(`
`18:00.18`	`spldart`	`BTW Modeltool works great. Thanks for that app JeffM`
`18:00.52`	`jpa-`	`use a huge meshbox on the floor?`
`18:01.33`	`BearPerson`	`Pimpinella, they did`
`18:02.03`	`JeffM2501`	`jpa-, there is, it's just on vacation`
`18:02.14`	`jpa-`	`ah, ok`
`18:02.21`	`spldart`	`I did that... But the applied png is tiling across it`
`18:02.22`	`jpa-`	`i like the current one better, though`
`18:02.44`	`jpa-`	`tiling?`
`18:02.49`	`jpa-`	`ah`
`18:02.55`	`jpa-`	`use texsize thingies`
`18:03.02`	`jpa-`	`or texscale..`
`18:03.11`	`jpa-`	`something like texscale 1 1 1`
`18:03.42`	`jpa-`	`texsize it is`
`18:03.58`	`jpa-`	`it goes inside meshbox before texture definition`
`18:04.00`	`spldart`	`I have texsize in there currently`
`18:04.05`	`spldart`	`But it didn't seem to fix it`
`18:04.13`	`jpa-`	`what values?`
`18:04.30`	`spldart`	`I was experimenting with values`
`18:04.35`	`spldart`	`1 1 1 is one that I tried`
`18:04.40`	`jpa-`	`evil`
`18:04.52`	`jpa-`	`-(2 times mapsize) could work too`
`18:04.55`	`spldart`	`It is in the 'meshbox' for the floor`
`18:05.26`	`spldart`	`floor is 360 200 1`
`18:05.28`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh we could also use bzflag.bz as the default`
`18:05.38`	`JeffM2501`	`since it is in the file too`
`18:06.06`	`jpa-`	`in your screenshot, it doesn't seem tiled`
`18:06.07`	`spldart`	`I didn't define a world size so that may be default`
`18:06.09`	`jpa-`	`just rotated`
`18:06.15`	`spldart`	`hrm`
`18:06.32`	`jpa-`	`which would go with texturematrix..`
`18:06.44`	`spldart`	`YOU RIGHT!!!`
`18:06.51`	`spldart`	`It's just rotated`
`18:07.32`	`spldart`	`texturematrix can rotate the image?`
`18:07.57`	`jpa-`	`yup`
`18:07.59`	`JeffM2501`	`a matrix can transform the UV coordinates in any way`
`18:08.06`	`JeffM2501`	`scale, translate, rotoate`
`18:08.07`	`jpa-`	`tehre is some uv static rotation thing`
`18:08.08`	`JeffM2501`	`sheer`
`18:08.14`	`jpa-`	`you would probably need -45`
`18:08.29`	`JeffM2501`	`or just fix the UV coords on your mesh`
`18:08.45`	`spldart`	`So.. I would add texturmatrix to the floor material?`
`18:09.09`	`jpa-`	`yup`
`18:09.14`	`spldart`	`sweet`
`18:09.17`	`spldart`	`lemme try`
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`18:13.30`	`jpa-`	`hi rb2`
`18:16.08`	`RedBaron2`	`hey jpa`
`18:16.15`	`cosmos_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:16.20`	`RedBaron2`	`sup?`
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`18:16.46`	`jpa-`	`sup.`
`18:16.52`	`jpa-`	`hi blast007 <3<3`
`18:17.02`	`spldart`	`it doesn't recognize rotate in a texturematrix`
`18:17.03`	`spldart`	`grr`
`18:17.08`	`RedBaron2`	`nm, trying to catch up on a mountain of paperwork :)`
`18:17.27`	`jpa-`	`spldart: it is fixedspin`
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`18:28.54`	`spldart`	`Ok`
`18:29.11`	`spldart`	`It was +45 after I got the commands right in the map`
`18:29.12`	`spldart`	`hehe`
`18:29.25`	`spldart`	`Now to resize it... PNG is to big on the floor`
`18:30.38`	`spldart`	`fixedscale I assume`
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`18:35.21`	`Thumper_`	`~weather CYYZ`
`18:35.35`	`jpa-`	`spldart: i said it would be 45..`
`18:35.59`	`jpa-`	`the sign is not that important :)`
`18:36.04`	`jpa-`	`hi thump:E`
`18:36.09`	`Thumper_`	`today's high is supposed to be 27C - and just a month ago it was -20...`
`18:36.12`	`Thumper_`	`hi jpa_`
`18:36.54`	`spldart`	`IF - is in your name it must be important ;)`
`18:36.59`	`jpa-`	`todays top was 6C`
`18:37.39`	`jpa-`	`this weeks top was 14C`
`18:37.45`	`Thumper_`	`Sunday's high (coming) is supposed to be 10C... if you can believe them.`
`18:37.59`	`Thumper_`	`it's summer here today! :D`
`18:38.09`	`BenUrban`	`rather than tab completing it`
`18:38.21`	`Thumper_`	`because I can't use 'Thumper' and I have to add something....`
`18:38.24`	`RedBaron2`	`lets see..its about 75-80F here..`
`18:38.29`	`BenUrban`	`no i mean for jpa_`
`18:38.34`	`BenUrban`	`rather than jpa-`
`18:38.40`	`Thumper_`	`cuz I did that on purpose...`
`18:38.46`	`Thumper_`	`didn't want jpa-`
`18:38.53`	`BenUrban`	`be that way`
`18:38.54`	`Thumper_`	`jpa_ is the lower form of jpa-`
`18:38.57`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`18:39.09`	`Thumper_`	`as you can see there is no upper form`
`18:39.11`	`Thumper_`	`:E`
`18:39.14`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`18:39.16`	`BenUrban`	`^`
`18:39.24`	`spldart`	`rotate 225 :)`
`18:39.24`	`BenUrban`	`well there is...`
`18:39.24`	`Thumper_`	`jpa doesn't bend`
`18:39.27`	`BenUrban`	`but you need unicode`
`18:39.58`	`Thumper_`	`okok. so he's never used that before today...`
`18:40.17`	`Thumper_`	`that's just wrong jpa`
`18:40.22`	`jpa-`	`it does`
`18:40.26`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`18:40.28`	`Thumper_`	`you're way to evil to have a halo like that.`
`18:40.46`	`jpa-`	`argh stop speaking i have to understand the backlog first`
`18:40.54`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`18:41.09`	`Thumper_`	`jpa: no :)`
`18:41.45`	`spldart`	`http://spldart.bakadigital.com:92/airhockey2.png I'm getting closer`
`18:41.50`	`Thumper_`	`~lart jpa`
`18:41.52`	`jpa-`	`ok i understood it`
`18:41.54`	`jpa-`	`go on`
`18:42.12`	`BenUrban`	`jpa-: jpa- jpa- jpa- jpa- jpa- jpa- jpa- jpa-`
`18:42.23`	`BenUrban`	`spldart: looks much better`
`18:42.24`	`spldart`	`I'll work out details of position of course... And get the blue team paddle blue...`
`18:42.29`	`spldart`	`But what else does it need?`
`18:42.38`	`jpa-`	`players?`
`18:42.43`	`spldart`	`Duh`
`18:42.44`	`BenUrban`	`spldart: are you gonna have companies pay you for ad space around the edge?`
`18:42.44`	`Thumper_`	`nah just use bots`
`18:42.48`	`Thumper_`	`:E`
`18:42.53`	`spldart`	`hehe`
`18:42.57`	`spldart`	`Adspace?`
`18:42.58`	`spldart`	`No`
`18:43.01`	`jpa-`	`moving paddles? zero friction?`
`18:43.11`	`spldart`	`Friction is already real low`
`18:43.16`	`spldart`	`you slide around alot`
`18:43.21`	`jpa-`	`atleast you could make tanks bounce off the walls and paddles at high speed`
`18:43.26`	`spldart`	`I was thinking of attempting a physics driver`
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`18:43.38`	`spldart`	`if you spon on the sides you get drawn toward the middle`
`18:43.41`	`Thumper_`	`what's that.... bzpinball?`
`18:43.46`	`spldart`	`spon - spawn`
`18:44.12`	`spldart`	`is moving paddles possible?`
`18:44.25`	`spldart`	`bzairhockey`
`18:44.27`	`jpa-`	`nope`
`18:44.32`	`jpa-`	`or yes`
`18:44.33`	`jpa-`	`but no`
`18:44.49`	`BenUrban`	`...which is why i wonder why you're doing this`
`18:45.00`	`jpa-`	`it could be done with dynamiccolor stuff, but it wouldn't work like one would want it to`
`18:45.01`	`spldart`	`Cuz it's cool?`
`18:45.05`	`jpa-`	`is not?`
`18:45.38`	`spldart`	`Tanks sliding around a giant air hockey table is cool!!!`
`18:45.41`	`spldart`	`;)`
`18:45.55`	`spldart`	`xpilot?`
`18:46.02`	`BenUrban`	`in xpilot you would be able to do air hockey`
`18:46.03`	`BenUrban`	`:)`
`18:46.10`	`jpa-`	`oh yes that is cool :)`
`18:46.14`	`BenUrban`	`in fact something similar has already been done`
`18:46.16`	`jpa-`	`like a radar-only bzflag`
`18:46.18`	`BenUrban`	`called spaceball`
`18:46.22`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`18:46.28`	`BenUrban`	`more like a 2d bzflag`
`18:46.36`	`jpa-`	`well, yes :)`
`18:46.59`	`spldart`	`I only have enough room in my life for one game ;)`
`18:47.02`	`jpa-`	`or like a 3d without one dimension..`
`18:47.04`	`BenUrban`	`of course you woldn't get the adspace...`
`18:47.07`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`18:47.19`	`BenUrban`	`spldart: heh, they're almost the same thing`
`18:47.22`	`BenUrban`	`just try it :D`
`18:47.42`	`Birdie`	`cosmos cosmos_ ping`
`18:48.55`	`BenUrban`	`spldart: oh, did i mention that the scoring system is infintely better?`
`18:49.02`	`BenUrban`	`:D`
`18:49.11`	`spldart`	`gotta go to work... log back on there.`
`18:49.20`	`spldart`	`hehe`
`18:49.31`	`jpa-`	`bzflag sucks`
`18:49.34`	`jpa-`	`face it.`
`18:49.40`	`jpa-`	`so why do people get addicted on it?`
`18:50.20`	`spldart`	`traitor! :-D`
`18:50.22`	`*** part/#bzflag spldart (~vircuser@cpe-67-10-221-4.houston.res.rr.com)`
`18:50.51`	`BenUrban`	`crap the latest update broke my desklets`
`18:51.34`	`BenUrban`	`ah good, spaceball is empty`
`18:51.40`	`BenUrban`	`anyone wanna try? :P`
`18:51.48`	`BenUrban`	`warning: i suck at spaceball`
`18:51.59`	`jpa-`	`hmm`
`18:52.34`	`cosmos_`	`whats up birdie`
`18:52.43`	`BenUrban`	`:)`
`18:52.50`	`BenUrban`	`actually it's xpilot-ng you'll need`
`18:52.54`	`BenUrban`	`or is it xpilotng?`
`18:53.02`	`BenUrban`	`spaceball is an ng map`
`18:53.18`	`BenUrban`	`* games-action/xpilot-ng`
`18:53.21`	`BenUrban`	`looks like it's ~x86`
`18:53.24`	`Birdie`	`your server of overlord babels is not listed`
`18:53.25`	`jpa-`	`hmph`
`18:53.31`	`Birdie`	`(@ cosmos)`
`18:53.59`	`BenUrban`	`:)`
`18:54.51`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`18:55.02`	`BenUrban`	`requires gzip`
`18:55.05`	`cosmos_`	`its not listed because i took it down due to aggrivation`
`18:55.07`	`BenUrban`	`and the server requires expat`
`18:55.26`	`jpa-`	`expat?`
`18:55.33`	`BenUrban`	`expat = xml processing lib`
`18:55.38`	`BenUrban`	`ng maps are in xml`
`18:55.56`	`BenUrban`	`and they are sent to the clients gzipped`
`18:56.03`	`BenUrban`	`after processing, of course`
`18:56.08`	`jpa-`	`evil`
`18:56.17`	`jpa-`	`they are soo ahead of bzflag :)`
`18:56.21`	`BenUrban`	`hehe`
`18:56.35`	`BenUrban`	`of course physics is entorely controlled by the server`
`18:56.43`	`BenUrban`	`the clients only get the info they need`
`18:56.58`	`BenUrban`	`so much harder to cheat`
`18:57.31`	`jpa-`	`hmm.. have they fixed the menu yet?`
`18:57.45`	`jpa-`	`it was very illogical when i last tried xpilot`
`18:57.47`	`*** join/#bzflag bz2935 (~54994606@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`18:58.07`	`BenUrban`	`menu?`
`18:58.09`	`BenUrban`	`which menu?`
`18:58.21`	`BenUrban`	`you mean the one within the game?`
`18:58.25`	`jpa-`	`yes`
`18:58.49`	`BenUrban`	`have you played ng at all?`
`18:58.49`	`bz2935`	`hi folks!`
`18:58.58`	`BenUrban`	`hiya`
`18:59.11`	`jpa-`	`don't think so :)`
`18:59.15`	`jpa-`	`emerge is ready...`
`18:59.20`	`cosmos_`	`star trek fan lights himself on fire to protest Enterprise show cancellation`
`18:59.21`	`BenUrban`	`heh, then you're in for a treat`
`18:59.22`	`*** join/#bzflag daqqal (~lexiana@12.5.170.227)`
`18:59.28`	`daqqal`	`hey guys whats new`
`18:59.29`	`BenUrban`	`it's SOOO much better than 4.5.4`
`18:59.36`	`BenUrban`	`the pope`
`18:59.37`	`BenUrban`	`of corse`
`18:59.38`	`BenUrban`	`:P`
`18:59.48`	`bz2935`	`could someone help me on a simple problem ?`
`19:00.02`	`daqqal`	`what do i need to do to have my server display my hostname and not my ipaddress when i list the bzflag servers`
`19:00.11`	`cosmos_`	`itallians really pissed off about a german pope. threaten riots`
`19:00.27`	`cosmos_`	`proper dns`
`19:00.50`	`bz2935`	`how can you make the bz client display the players names underneth their tank ????`
`19:01.12`	`Death_Barrel`	`that only works for observer mode`
`19:01.13`	`BenUrban`	`bz2935: join in observer mode`
`19:01.24`	`daqqal`	`anyone know if it's a config file directive?`
`19:01.29`	`bz2935`	`you cannot do that in fight mode?`
`19:01.38`	`Death_Barrel`	`daqqal: yes it is`
`19:01.45`	`Death_Barrel`	`bz2935, no`
`19:02.02`	`bz2935`	`ok so i didnt miss anything , good to see... thanks`
`19:02.09`	`Death_Barrel`	`:)`
`19:02.12`	`daqqal`	`Death_Barrel: you know what the directive is called?`
`19:02.51`	`Death_Barrel`	`-publicaddr`
`19:02.57`	`Death_Barrel`	`but you still need dns setup`
`19:03.25`	`daqqal`	`i have dns setup with dyndns`
`19:04.09`	`Death_Barrel`	`i would have to see your config file`
`19:04.34`	`*** join/#bzflag Grumbler (~Grumbler@grumbler.bronze.supporter.pdpc)`
`19:05.08`	`Grumbler`	`AccessControlList.cxx:138: warning: shadowed declaration is here <- i will assume this is expect`
`19:05.27`	`Tupone`	`Grumbler: what ? where?`
`19:05.32`	`BearPerson`	`just regular new-gcc warnings`
`19:05.42`	`Tupone`	`what gcc ?`
`19:06.13`	`Grumbler`	`lines 134,136,138`
`19:07.19`	`Tupone`	`Grumbler: does not says who is conflicting with`
`19:07.43`	`Grumbler`	declaration of `__v' shadows a previous
`19:07.55`	`Grumbler`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:08.05`	`Tupone`	`are you on debian woody?`
`19:08.11`	`Grumbler`	`sarge`
`19:08.23`	`Tupone`	`I think your compiler is old`
`19:08.42`	`daqqal`	`hey Death_Barrel thanx`
`19:09.02`	`Grumbler`	`hmm, i'll check....i am apt-get nuts, so i would expect to have sarges latest`
`19:09.05`	`Tupone`	`if you are not using debug is ok. Otherwise remove the -Wshadow option on configure`
`19:09.51`	`Tupone`	`can you check the gcc version ? gcc -v`
`19:09.56`	`Grumbler`	`gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8)`
`19:10.08`	`Tupone`	`gcc seems ok :/`
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`19:11.12`	`*** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACCA5F7A.ipt.aol.com)`
`19:11.23`	`Tupone`	`probably this is what Chestal said about shadow :/ I have not this warning`
`19:11.53`	`BearPerson`	`I don't think the shadow really matters anything though`
`19:12.12`	`Grumbler`	`ok, i just thought I would put it out there`
`19:12.20`	`Tupone`	`guess is better to remove the -Wshadow, yeah`
`19:12.33`	`BearPerson`	`it's just the compiler saying "Hey, this name was already taken before, now you got something else called that, so I'll take it"`
`19:12.38`	`Tupone`	`We should convince Tim to remove it`
`19:13.03`	`BearPerson`	`like when the class has some property called the same as one of your local variables`
`19:13.45`	`Tupone`	`BearPerson: I know, I did 90 file changes to comply with it :(`
`19:13.54`	`BearPerson`	`:/`
`19:15.19`	`Grumbler`	`what was his reasoning.....i am assuming that he had a reason and is not going insane.`
`19:15.40`	`BearPerson`	`"cleaner code" probably`
`19:15.43`	`Tupone`	`I assume a partial reason and a partial something else`
`19:15.43`	`BearPerson`	`less confusion`
`19:15.51`	`Grumbler`	`heh`
`19:18.01`	`jpa-`	`hi brad2901 <3`
`19:18.16`	`BenUrban`	`jpa-: heh, i will admit, the gui needs work`
`19:18.16`	`brad2901`	`hi ~jpa---`
`19:18.56`	`jpa-`	`:(`
`19:19.18`	`jpa-`	`BenUrban: you call that a gui?`
`19:19.20`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`19:19.25`	`BenUrban`	`not really`
`19:19.30`	`jpa-`	`it seemed more like a dos command line`
`19:19.43`	`jpa-`	`as difficult and just as useless`
`19:19.49`	`BenUrban`	`well the requirement for manual file editing is a big turn off`
`19:20.03`	`BenUrban`	`nobody has written that part yet :(`
`19:20.20`	`jpa-`	`and that i-type-slow-so-i-can't-stay-in-team-for-more-than-five-seconds thing :/`
`19:20.29`	`BenUrban`	`oh, that's just a server setting`
`19:20.38`	`jpa-`	`thought so`
`19:21.06`	`BenUrban`	`to prevent floaters from ruining the game for their teammates`
`19:21.15`	`jpa-`	`now i need a bzmap-script to generate xpilot maps and i'm soo in to it :)`
`19:21.21`	`BenUrban`	`hehe`
`19:21.56`	`BenUrban`	`not sure the conversion between the bzflag and xpilot map formats would be easy :P`
`19:22.00`	`BenUrban`	`or useful for that matter :P`
`19:22.10`	`BenUrban`	`except in no-jump maps`
`19:22.12`	`BearPerson`	`huh? bzflag ->xpilot?`
`19:22.15`	`jpa-`	`maybe i'll have to code a bzmap clone by myself then..`
`19:22.29`	`jpa-`	`what would i call it.. something original..`
`19:22.35`	`jpa-`	`xpilotmap maybe?`
`19:22.39`	`BenUrban`	`hehe`
`19:22.49`	`SportyGal`	`Sunday someome was on with the callsign chief. He had`
`19:22.49`	`SportyGal`	`no admin symbol so I asked him if he was the admin`
`19:22.49`	`SportyGal`	`Chief. He did not respond. So I asked Him to change`
`19:22.49`	`SportyGal`	`his callsign because there was an admin with that`
`19:22.50`	`SportyGal`	`callsign and he couldn't use it. Still no response but`
`19:22.52`	`SportyGal`	`he did leave. My question is why did the server let`
`19:22.54`	`SportyGal`	`him in with that callsign? Tegan and Archy both proved`
`19:22.55`	`BenUrban`	`well xpilot already has a map editor`
`19:22.56`	`SportyGal`	`the server is not case sensitive, so it shouldn't have`
`19:22.58`	`SportyGal`	`let him in, should it? Kitty`
`19:22.59`	`BenUrban`	`in java :(`
`19:23.07`	`jpa-`	`BenUrban: but no python map generator..`
`19:23.13`	`BenUrban`	`haha`
`19:23.24`	`BenUrban`	`wouldn't that jst be horrible :P`
`19:23.40`	`jpa-`	`SportyGal: playing or observing?`
`19:23.44`	`jpa-`	`why so? :)`
`19:23.49`	`SportyGal`	`he was playing, is my understanding`
`19:23.50`	`jpa-`	`bzmap is sooo nice :)`
`19:24.03`	`BenUrban`	`well what kind of map does it generate?`
`19:24.05`	`BearPerson`	`SportyGal, he shouldn't have been allowed to spawn though`
`19:24.17`	`BearPerson`	`and should have had a "-" in front of his nick`
`19:24.18`	`*** join/#bzflag spldart (~james@adsl-70-240-234-49.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net)`
`19:24.28`	`BenUrban`	`hello again spldart`
`19:24.31`	`spldart`	`hello`
`19:25.08`	`spldart`	`I'm so happy. I made my first objects today and I placed them in the BZworld 8-D`
`19:25.10`	`BenUrban`	`jpa-: hmm, maybe youd like to try the x11 client....i'm more familiar with that one (and you probably are too)`
`19:25.15`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`19:25.53`	`jpa-`	`the one with illogical menu?`
`19:26.04`	`BenUrban`	`well the menus have changed since 4.5.4`
`19:26.08`	`BenUrban`	`what was illogical about it?`
`19:26.09`	`jpa-`	`SportyGal: maybe he was Ch1ef? :)`
`19:26.23`	`jpa-`	`it was red and didn't fit to my monitor!`
`19:26.28`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`19:26.39`	`BenUrban`	`i doubt that you'll have that problem :P`
`19:27.41`	`jpa-`	`hm..`
`19:27.53`	`BearPerson`	`yeah, that's usually a problem... nicks that look the same`
`19:28.30`	`spldart`	`Can a rectangle be specified in world size?`
`19:28.40`	`spldart`	`Or does it have to be square?`
`19:28.48`	`jpa-`	`yes.`
`19:28.52`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`19:28.52`	`jpa-`	`to the latter`
`19:29.08`	`spldart`	`square :(`
`19:29.09`	`BearPerson`	`you can always put up a gigantic wall I guess`
`19:29.18`	`BearPerson`	`vertical moat ;-)`
`19:29.39`	`spldart`	`been thinking of the 'advertising space' comment ealier.. I would form fit the world to the map`
`19:29.45`	`jpa-`	`alpha 0 wall and spawn- and flag zones`
`19:30.06`	`spldart`	`?`
`19:30.58`	`spldart`	`I have gigantic walls now :(`
`19:31.10`	`jpa-`	`good`
`19:31.52`	`spldart`	`hehe`
`19:32.21`	`BearPerson`	`been wondering`
`19:32.44`	`spldart`	`I think I'm going to make physics on the tops of the two huge walls... That would be cool`
`19:32.46`	`spldart`	`sling yah off`
`19:33.39`	`BearPerson`	`would be cool if used in tactics`
`19:33.45`	`BearPerson`	`climb up there to get to enemy base`
`19:34.05`	`jpa-`	`except they are on sides, and the walls are on sides...`
`19:34.10`	`spldart`	`Well.. I already left a narrow passage circling the outsides of the playtable`
`19:34.41`	`spldart`	`people could sneak around to the other base`
`19:35.50`	`ToughShooter`	`SportyGal: I think it has something to do with the proxy`
`19:36.19`	`ToughShooter`	`junker has found out how to loose symbols before names, however he didn't told me how`
`19:37.06`	`SportyGal`	`jpa-: as I understand it, his name was in small letters, so "i" would look distinctive`
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`19:46.55`	`*** part/#bzflag daqqal (~lexiana@12.5.170.227)`
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`20:13.09`	`ruskie`	`you to ehh?`
`20:13.10`	`ruskie`	`nice`
`20:13.40`	`cosmos`	`LOS ANGELES - A Caltech graduate student convicted of helping to firebom`
`20:13.41`	`cosmos`	`b scores of sport utility vehicles was sentenced to more than eight year`
`20:13.41`	`cosmos`	`s in federal prison and ordered to pay $3.5 million in restitution. He`
`20:13.41`	`cosmos`	`still faces a possible death penalty under current US Patriot Act statut`
`20:13.41`	`cosmos`	`es in an upcoming Federal trial.`
`20:19.46`	`spldart`	`prosecuted under terrorism laws?`
`20:20.20`	`ruskie`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:20.29`	`ruskie`	`one more reason why I don't want to live on this planet`
`20:20.40`	`theEnemy`	`s/planet/the US ?`
`20:20.46`	`ruskie`	`no planet`
`20:20.54`	`JeffM2501`	`there is plenty of space on the outside`
`20:20.55`	`ruskie`	`<-- lives in europe... slovenia`
`20:21.09`	`ruskie`	`but the whole world is being foo-bared by the us`
`20:21.20`	`*** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACCA5F7A.ipt.aol.com)`
`20:21.24`	`spldart`	`whateva`
`20:21.41`	`ruskie`	`I want to move to pluto...`
`20:21.55`	`ruskie`	`there I miht be safe from patenets and copyrights and don't know what else for the next 20 years`
`20:21.57`	`JeffM2501`	`7 miles/sec will get you where ever you want to go`
`20:22.02`	`spldart`	`The US discovered pluto. You might not want to live there`
`20:22.05`	`theEnemy`	`here in the uk we have elections coming up, so i intend to try and do something about that here ;)`
`20:22.29`	`theEnemy`	`is pluto warmer or colder than slovenia?`
`20:22.31`	`theEnemy`	`i'm not sure`
`20:22.38`	`ruskie`	`theEnemy, we had those... the socialist democartas won it not the liberals...`
`20:22.57`	`ruskie`	`so now we will be stuck in time until we change our leaders again`
`20:25.06`	`theEnemy`	`vive la revolution`
`20:25.31`	`cosmos`	`George W Bush is unhappy about the new choice for pope and may declare war on Rome`
`20:26.09`	`spldart`	`Yay! War on the Catholic church! Yay!`
`20:27.01`	`theEnemy`	`it's been done before ;)`
`20:27.01`	`theEnemy`	`the last thousand years has plenty of examples, particularly here in the uk`
`20:27.01`	`theEnemy`	`they still survive :)`
`20:27.02`	`theEnemy`	`(and faod quite right too ;))`
`20:28.49`	`spldart`	`Maybe Catholics and Mulsims.. They have long and bloody histories. :)`
`20:31.40`	`Tupone`	`catholics against catholics were the worst war`
`20:33.39`	`*** join/#bzflag ep (mdr@ip68-97-122-98.ok.ok.cox.net)`
`20:34.57`	`theEnemy`	`oh i dunno... the crusades were good for body counts for a religious based war. about 9 million iirc`
`20:39.13`	`theEnemy`	`while i'm around... anyone else using the linux bzflag client? and is the radar shot size more than a pixel?`
`20:39.23`	`theEnemy`	`The relevant option doesn't affect the size :(`
`20:39.52`	`ruskie`	`I think the size of the shot is intentional`
`20:40.13`	`theEnemy`	`it's bigger on the windows client`
`20:40.21`	`theEnemy`	`(to me)`
`20:41.19`	`uso_w`	`theEnemy: seems to depend on the video driver`
`20:41.35`	`uso_w`	`on ati cards size has no effect for me`
`20:41.46`	`uso_w`	`shot size`
`20:43.30`	`Chestal`	`works for me with ATI`
`20:43.37`	`uso_w`	`and it is only a square instead a ball on i8xx cards`
`20:44.21`	`uso_w`	`Chestal: with which drivers? ati?`
`20:45.31`	`uso_w`	`it's also only a square on old matrox cards, if this matters ;)`
`20:45.47`	`Chestal`	`yes, ATI`
`20:47.01`	`uso_w`	`i had to switch back to xfree drivers, there shot size does not have any effect`
`20:47.22`	`ruskie`	`<-- is hopping to siwtch to dri as well`
`20:47.25`	`uso_w`	`don't remember how it was with the ati drivers`
`20:47.32`	`Tupone`	`theEnemy: there is an option to change that size`
`20:48.22`	`uso_w`	`Tupone: the menu option? this does not have an effect`
`20:48.26`	`uso_w`	`any other option?`
`20:48.33`	`Chestal`	`only annoying problem I have with ATI drivers is that X freezes/crashes, when I do screenshot from within bzflag`
`20:48.40`	`Tupone`	`menu option, it has on mine`
`20:49.43`	`uso_w`	`Chestal: my box crashed with ati drivers a lot more a day as it has crashed all the years before :(`
`20:51.04`	`uso_w`	`only one little hang of bzflag and i would be lucky if i could shut down it remotely`
`20:51.10`	`uso_w`	`mostly i had to power off`
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`20:53.11`	`uso_w`	`not even the bloody old ftape driver were that fragile`
`20:53.36`	`BenUrban`	`that happens to me when xscrensaver tries to swtch screensavers (i think)`
`20:53.54`	`BenUrban`	`so i don't get my wake up call :(`
`20:54.01`	`BenUrban`	`fortunately i use a pda also`
`20:54.11`	`uso_w`	`heh`
`20:54.15`	`BenUrban`	`but i REALLY hate the way it goes off`
`20:54.25`	`BenUrban`	`i knoy have one alarm that i want to keep going off`
`20:54.38`	`BenUrban`	`all the rest of them are just to remind me what time it is`
`20:55.03`	`BenUrban`	`heh, it's not worth trying to write an app just to do my alarms`
`20:55.04`	`uso_w`	`ati drivers seem to be of a quality as nvidia drivers were 3 years ago or so`
`20:55.28`	`BenUrban`	`anyway, i wasn't having these freezes until the latest driver updates`
`20:56.07`	`BenUrban`	`btw it's not x that's freezing/crashing, it's a kernel panic (or something closer to that level)`
`20:56.21`	`BenUrban`	`that's why x isn't the only thing affected`
`20:56.38`	`uso_w`	`it's the kernel module`
`20:56.47`	`BenUrban`	`but it's still better (so far) than getting 0.2fps`
`20:57.05`	`BenUrban`	`which is what i get when the drivers fail to work at all`
`20:58.02`	`BenUrban`	`speaking of which...`
`20:58.05`	`uso_w`	`i get about 60% of the frame rate of the ati drivers with xfree`
`20:58.14`	`BenUrban`	`eew, you use xfree?`
`20:58.35`	`uso_w`	`debian still has xfree`
`20:58.54`	`BenUrban`	`i would have expected debian to be the first one to dump xfree`
`20:59.03`	`BenUrban`	`and then gentoo a few minutes later`
`20:59.04`	`uso_w`	`too lazy to compile xorg myself ;)`
`20:59.48`	`BenUrban`	`want a tarball?`
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`20:59.59`	`BenUrban`	`heh, i doubt it would work useflly`
`21:00.02`	`BenUrban`	`without portage`
`21:00.12`	`uso_w`	`they stuck with the latest "free" release (4.3)`
`21:00.18`	`BenUrban`	`ah`
`21:00.19`	`BenUrban`	`figures`
`21:00.37`	`BenUrban`	`is xorg at least in the list`
`21:00.38`	`BenUrban`	`?`
`21:00.39`	`uso_w`	`no, thanks, too many dependencies ;)`
`21:01.01`	`uso_w`	`don't know, may be in experimental now`
`21:01.08`	`BenUrban`	`ah`
`21:01.58`	`uso_w`	`i find nothing in testing/unstable, so i may last long ...`
`21:02.28`	`uso_w`	`*it`
`21:04.45`	`Chestal`	`my guess would be that they won't make such a major change before sarge is ready (assuming it will ever be)`
`21:05.03`	`uso_w`	`yeah :)`
`21:05.11`	`*** join/#bzflag ruffle (~chatzilla@21.246.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch)`
`21:09.18`	`uso_w`	`"only" 102 rc bugs to fix ;)`
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`21:27.12`	`Pimpinella`	`xfree86 returned to their former license, didn't they?`
`21:33.18`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`21:33.28`	`BenUrban`	`whether they did or not, it's too late`
`21:43.43`	`*** join/#bzflag bz1714 (~18e82a04@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`21:44.47`	`bz1714`	`hi?`
`21:45.04`	`brad2901`	`hello`
`21:45.05`	`DTRemenak`	`hi`
`21:45.12`	`spldart`	`Guten tag`
`21:46.30`	`*** join/#bzflag bz2901 (~0c9ef20c@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`21:47.16`	`bz2901`	`it's time the real Christians in bzflag stand up and get rid of the filthy jews running their heathen servers`
`21:47.27`	`bz2901`	`We cannot tolerate this any longer`
`21:47.43`	`bz2901`	`secretplace and others need to band together to stop this jewish invasion`
`21:48.02`	`DTRemenak`	`sigh`
`21:50.49`	`bz1714`	`i'm haing a problem whit refreshrate on full screen is out of my sync limit.. how do i change that?`
`21:51.22`	`DTRemenak`	`what os?`
`21:51.26`	`bz1714`	`xp`
`21:51.54`	`bz1714`	`eny ini to config? i dont find it`
`21:52.48`	`DTRemenak`	`my documents\my bzflag files\2.0\config.cfg`
`21:52.54`	`DTRemenak`	`open it in notepad`
`21:53.06`	`DTRemenak`	`find the line that says "set resolution"`
`21:53.25`	`DTRemenak`	`it should have something that says " @90Hz" or something`
`21:53.29`	`DTRemenak`	`set it to 60`
`21:54.43`	`bz1714`	`cool`
`21:54.49`	`DTRemenak`	`work for ya?`
`21:54.53`	`bz1714`	`i setted to 75`
`21:54.58`	`bz1714`	`and its working now`
`21:55.05`	`DTRemenak`	`cool`
`21:55.12`	`bz1714`	`really tnkz!`
`21:55.14`	`bz1714`	`;)`
`21:55.19`	`DTRemenak`	`no problemo`
`21:55.41`	`bz1714`	`ther's eny way of trainging?`
`21:55.48`	`bz1714`	`there are bots?`
`21:56.02`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03trepan * 10admin/master-bans.txt: probably ineffective`
`21:56.12`	`DTRemenak`	`there are`
`21:56.18`	`DTRemenak`	`they suck really badly though`
`21:56.30`	`bz1714`	`i suck more for shure`
`21:56.31`	`DTRemenak`	`unless you're on dialup you're better off just training online`
`21:56.40`	`DTRemenak`	`no, they suck REALLY badly :)`
`21:56.45`	`bz1714`	`jaja`
`21:56.46`	`bz1714`	`ok`
`21:56.57`	`bz1714`	`tnkz again`
`21:57.00`	`bz1714`	`bay`
`21:57.05`	`DTRemenak`	`if you do want to play with bots`
`21:57.12`	`bz1714`	`yes`
`21:57.14`	`bz1714`	`tellme`
`21:57.17`	`DTRemenak`	`run bzflag with the -solo n command line parameter`
`21:57.41`	`DTRemenak`	`so change the shortcut to read "...bzflag.exe -solo 6" instead of just "...bzflag.exe" to run 6 bots`
`21:57.48`	`bz1714`	`tnkz again.. bay`
`21:57.52`	`cosmos`	`whats the master ban url again`
`21:58.03`	`DTRemenak`	`http://bzflag.org/master-bans.txt ?`
`21:58.24`	`cosmos`	`yeah thats it`
`21:58.26`	`cosmos`	`need to bookmark`
`21:58.52`	`trepan`	`DTRemenak: the CVS one gets copied over?`
`21:59.09`	`DTRemenak`	`trepan, still has to be done by hand, I think`
`21:59.12`	`DTRemenak`	`not sure`
`21:59.22`	`DTRemenak`	`was supposed to be automatic`
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`22:17.40`	`JeffM2501`	`it'ts not automgic`
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`22:23.25`	`CrazyNorman`	`Hey all`
`22:23.49`	`CrazyNorman`	`I had this problem a long time ago, and since have forgotten what the solution was`
`22:23.55`	`CrazyNorman`	`I run my server from behind a router`
`22:24.01`	`CrazyNorman`	`and have port forwarding enabled`
`22:24.08`	`*** part/#bzflag spldart (~james@adsl-70-240-234-49.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net)`
`22:24.10`	`CrazyNorman`	`Other computers can connect from outside the router to my IP address`
`22:24.31`	`CrazyNorman`	`But if I try to connect to my own computer, using my outside IP address (my routers), it won't go through`
`22:24.37`	`CrazyNorman`	`The same with all other services`
`22:26.07`	`JeffM2501`	`some routers jsut don't support loopback like that`
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`22:27.22`	`CrazyNorman`	`k`
`22:27.27`	`CrazyNorman`	`Is there any way to make my computer emulate it?`
`22:27.51`	`JeffM2501`	`edit your hosts file and set your external IP to resolve to localhost`
`22:27.56`	`CrazyNorman`	`k`
`22:27.58`	`JeffM2501`	`what router is it?`
`22:28.18`	`CrazyNorman`	`Its a netgear wireless, 802.11b`
`22:28.20`	`CrazyNorman`	`Don't remember the model`
`22:28.25`	`CrazyNorman`	`But, the hosts edit should work fine`
`22:28.29`	`JeffM2501`	`never used a netear`
`22:28.58`	`CrazyNorman`	`k`
`22:31.30`	`CrazyNorman`	`Works great`
`22:31.32`	`CrazyNorman`	`thanks for the help`
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`22:54.15`	`MooMooMilk2`	`question: Why the heck is this a fix me?`
`22:54.17`	`MooMooMilk2`	`player->renderRadar(); // draws at (0,0,0)`
`22:54.18`	`MooMooMilk2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:54.20`	`MooMooMilk2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:54.21`	`MooMooMilk2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:54.29`	`MooMooMilk2`	`I'm confused...`
`22:55.33`	`MooMooMilk2`	`note: this is in the RenderRadar source file.`
`22:55.45`	`MooMooMilk2`	`*RadarRender`
`22:59.45`	`trepan`	`MooMooMilk2: it makes sense to have a FIXME there, go watch the radar as observer (zoomed in enough to see meshed tanks)`
`23:00.08`	`MooMooMilk2`	`oh`
`23:00.14`	`JeffM2501`	`arn't hardcoded colors "bad"`
`23:00.21`	`MooMooMilk2`	`okay, I gotcha`
`23:01.11`	`MooMooMilk2`	`I don't think they are, if you keep them organized.`
`23:01.39`	`JeffM2501`	`should it not be done thru the state, perhaps even as a material`
`23:01.40`	`*** join/#bzflag TrueChristian (~0c9ef20c@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`23:01.49`	`JeffM2501`	`may not mater in hud`
`23:01.51`	`JeffM2501`	`no lighting`
`23:02.12`	`MooMooMilk2`	`hmm...`
`23:02.39`	`MooMooMilk2`	`There's a lot of work that needs to be done on the source, but I've seen that it has gone a long way.`
`23:02.42`	`JeffM2501`	`just seems odd to see a raw GL call then a state reset`
`23:02.55`	`JeffM2501`	`it is a bit old :)`
`23:03.03`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: the bz material 'management' doesn't do colors`
`23:03.10`	`trepan`	`each scenenode does its own coloring`
`23:03.21`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`23:03.36`	`JeffM2501`	`it's been so long since I've looked at that crap`
`23:04.01`	`trepan`	`you think that's bad, checkout the myColor() crap someday =)`
`23:04.11`	`JeffM2501`	`no thanks`
`23:04.19`	`JeffM2501`	`better things to do with my time :)`
`23:04.26`	`TrueChristian`	`i need to identify which servers are run by Christians and which are run by non believers and filthy subhuman jews`
`23:04.37`	`trepan`	`op me`
`23:04.42`	`TrueChristian`	`who maintains such a list thanks`
`23:04.46`	`JeffM2501`	`bye bye`
`23:05.00`	`JeffM2501`	`we love all of humanity`
`23:05.24`	`JeffM2501`	`please do not say derogitory statemens or you will be removed`
`23:05.45`	`TrueChristian`	`that is against the teachings of Jesus Christ and Revelations`
`23:05.59`	`JeffM2501`	`in your mind maybe, but this is not the palce for it`
`23:06.05`	`TrueChristian`	`the war to cleanse the world from suhbuman arab and jew animals will happen in the end times`
`23:06.08`	`trepan`	`ah, c'mon, just for a minute ;)`
`23:06.16`	`TrueChristian`	`we must isolate our selves from these heathens`
`23:06.24`	`wegstar`	`ahem..`
`23:06.32`	`TrueWarlock`	`if you do not desist you will be removed from this channel`
`23:06.36`	`TrueWarlock`	`and posibly the game`
`23:06.42`	`TrueWarlock`	`tho you only came here to incide didn't you?`
`23:06.44`	`TrueWarlock`	`sad sad`
`23:06.49`	`TrueChristian`	`what is incide`
`23:06.53`	`TrueChristian`	`inside?`
`23:07.05`	`TrueWarlock`	`rile up`
`23:07.08`	`TrueWarlock`	`now leave`
`23:07.09`	`TrueWarlock`	`now`
`23:07.18`	`TrueChristian`	`are you against Jesus Christ sir?`
`23:07.19`	`menotume`	`incite - spam - troll`
`23:07.29`	`TrueWarlock`	`you are baned from game allready, soon to be banned from the board and this place`
`23:07.39`	`TrueChristian`	`you cannot remove a member of the Army of Christ`
`23:07.45`	`TrueWarlock`	`yes`
`23:07.49`	`TrueWarlock`	`yes I can`
`23:07.52`	`ruffle`	`someone please kick`
`23:07.52`	`TrueChristian`	`please do not threaten the Christians`
`23:07.57`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+b !0c9ef20c@webchat.bzflag.bz] by TrueWarlock`
`23:07.57`	`*** kick/#bzflag [TrueChristian!~JeffM@users.gibbscam.com] by TrueWarlock (TrueWarlock)`
`23:08.13`	`wegstar`	`its best we keep this place secular... :(`
`23:08.24`	`ruffle`	`thx`
`23:08.54`	`cosmos`	`christ runs an army now?`
`23:09.12`	`cosmos`	`wheres my bible, i need to look that one up`
`23:09.15`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`23:09.24`	`wegstar`	`...`
`23:10.02`	`TrueWarlock`	`trepan, what is the IP?`
`23:10.06`	`TrueWarlock`	`I'll put on bzbb too`
`23:10.17`	`blast007`	`c9ef20c == 201.239.32.12`
`23:10.24`	`TrueWarlock`	`thank you`
`23:10.33`	`TrueWarlock`	`does he have a bb name?`
`23:10.35`	`blast007`	`oh wait`
`23:10.37`	`TrueWarlock`	`that anyone knows of?`
`23:10.41`	`blast007`	`missed a 0 at the start`
`23:11.02`	`TrueWarlock`	`so what is it?`
`23:11.14`	`blast007`	`0c9ef20c == 12.158.242.12`
`23:11.16`	`blast007`	`there we go :)`
`23:11.22`	`ruffle`	`nah`
`23:11.47`	`cosmos`	`we banned 12...* on hepcat`
`23:11.52`	`cosmos`	`solved the problem.`
`23:12.06`	`TrueWarlock`	`that sadly I can't do on bb`
`23:12.25`	`TrueWarlock`	`I did the class C tho`
`23:12.43`	`cosmos`	`':)`
`23:13.37`	`cosmos`	`not a good day for Catholics either, i heard there is rioting in latin american countries over the new pope choice`
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`23:14.04`	`ruffle`	`hmm, got to read the news`
`23:14.12`	`trepan`	`cause of that brief nazi involvement?`
`23:14.17`	`ruffle`	`hein?`
`23:15.14`	`ruffle`	`I really got to read the news`
`23:15.20`	`cosmos`	`they are pissed a latin american didnt get picked`
`23:15.34`	`cosmos`	`not that Ratzinger was a death camp guard`
`23:15.51`	`cosmos`	`or whatever bs they are talking about since he was quite young`
`23:18.51`	`trepan`	`http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=5839`
`23:19.09`	`trepan`	`(hardly a death camp guard)`
`23:20.24`	`cosmos`	`ahh but hitler youth. according to israeli law he should be put to death :)`
`23:21.02`	`trepan`	`you see the picture in the article? it looks like patience would suffice to achieve that goal`
`23:21.06`	`trepan`	`musta been an off-day`
`23:21.09`	`cosmos`	`hahaha`
`23:21.35`	`cosmos`	`they should really look to a younger cardinal`
`23:21.45`	`cosmos`	`unless they want to repeat the process on regular intervals`
`23:21.48`	`JeffM2501`	`why?`
`23:21.52`	`JeffM2501`	`then popes would live longer`
`23:22.02`	`JeffM2501`	`older popes mean more popes`
`23:22.04`	`ruffle`	`yah`
`23:22.13`	`ruffle`	`that was already the problem with the last one`
`23:22.33`	`ruffle`	`before in time, modern medecine wasn't so advanced, so live span shorter`
`23:22.45`	`spldart`	`Does a phydrv have to be assigned to a mesh or can it be a simple meshbox?`
`23:22.46`	`ruffle`	`but the 26 year reign shouldn't happen again`
`23:23.16`	`JeffM2501`	`a meshbox is a type of mesh`
`23:23.31`	`spldart`	`so my meshboxes can be phydrv'd :D`
`23:23.37`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`23:23.40`	`spldart`	`Sweet`
`23:24.09`	`cosmos`	`just make it a requirement to be 100 years old to be pope`
`23:24.20`	`JeffM2501`	`brain in a robot`
`23:24.23`	`JeffM2501`	`mecha pope`
`23:24.25`	`JeffM2501`	`lives for ever`
`23:24.28`	`JeffM2501`	`can turn into a car`
`23:24.36`	`JeffM2501`	`end of all problems`
`23:24.41`	`cosmos`	`is he an autobot or decepticon?`
`23:24.54`	`JeffM2501`	`depends what side your on`
`23:26.33`	`spldart`	`woah... Super pope`
`23:27.45`	`spldart`	`Woah... A "WARRIOR FOR CHRIST"`
`23:27.59`	`spldart`	`ON MY SERVER`
`23:28.03`	`spldart`	`spamming hitler crap`
`23:28.09`	`spldart`	`I'm looking at my log now`
`23:28.11`	`JeffM2501`	`you'll want to ban them`
`23:28.21`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, did you manualy update masterban?`
`23:28.52`	`cosmos`	`brad let me look`
`23:29.25`	`spldart`	`12.158.242.12`
`23:29.43`	`]wegstar[`	`heh`
`23:30.44`	`JeffM2501`	`spldart, you require global auth?`
`23:31.16`	`JeffM2501`	`masteban wasn't copyed, it's updated.`
`23:31.21`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: nope, don't no that I can`
`23:31.28`	`JeffM2501`	`you can`
`23:31.30`	`trepan`	`s/no/know`
`23:31.34`	`spldart`	`I haven't done the require yet...`
`23:31.36`	`JeffM2501`	`anyone with cvs can update web`
`23:31.37`	`spldart`	`I'll do it now`
`23:31.43`	`spldart`	`How would I go about that`
`23:31.45`	`trepan`	`ah, one sec then`
`23:31.49`	`JeffM2501`	`ssh to sf, then go to /home/groups/b/bz/bzflag/htdocs`
`23:31.53`	`JeffM2501`	`I did it just now`
`23:32.09`	`JeffM2501`	`so it's cool`
`23:32.32`	`trepan`	`thx`
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`23:32.39`	`JeffM2501`	`spldart, maybe you should :)`
`23:33.14`	`spldart`	`apparently my server isn't picking up the masterban list :(`
`23:33.21`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, brlcad said that he wanted to get it automated, but something about not having chron screwd him up`
`23:33.42`	`spldart`	`How would I set up global only and get the masterban working?`
`23:34.08`	`JeffM2501`	`move the spawn and talk permisions to the verified group`
`23:34.10`	`spldart`	`since I'm on linux`
`23:34.13`	`JeffM2501`	`masterban should be automatic`
`23:34.17`	`JeffM2501`	`it's the same on all OSs`
`23:34.27`	`JeffM2501`	`do you have "no masterban" in your config still?`
`23:34.51`	`spldart`	`no`
`23:35.11`	`JeffM2501`	`there is a masterban reload command IIRC`
`23:35.20`	`JeffM2501`	`it will cause the server to lag for a bit while it gets it tho`
`23:35.29`	`spldart`	`I have no instances of the word ban in my .conf file`
`23:35.57`	`JeffM2501`	`if you list your bans does it show any that have a (M) in em?`
`23:36.04`	`spldart`	`So I should be using the master ban list auto?`
`23:36.11`	`spldart`	`I haven't actually banned anyone on the new server`
`23:36.14`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah it's default for any public server`
`23:36.16`	`JeffM2501`	`so list your bans`
`23:36.19`	`JeffM2501`	`do you have ANY bans?`
`23:36.33`	`spldart`	`gimme a command to do so please :)`
`23:36.42`	`JeffM2501`	`banlist or something`
`23:36.56`	`spldart`	`that worked`
`23:37.02`	`JeffM2501`	`do you show bans?`
`23:37.02`	`spldart`	`I got the master ban list`
`23:37.11`	`JeffM2501`	`then you you have the master list`
`23:37.20`	`JeffM2501`	`it wasn't updated with his IP untill just now`
`23:37.24`	`spldart`	`was this ip I listed Just added?`
`23:37.28`	`JeffM2501`	`since trepan was unaware of how to make it public`
`23:37.31`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`23:37.37`	`spldart`	`OOOHHH`
`23:37.44`	`spldart`	`I'm used to it being on the top`
`23:37.46`	`JeffM2501`	`a reload should get it for you`
`23:37.51`	`JeffM2501`	`he put it on the bottom yeah :)`
`23:37.54`	`spldart`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:38.03`	`spldart`	`that's my bad.. I thought it was old`
`23:38.10`	`JeffM2501`	`dosnt' realy mater where it is`
`23:38.17`	`spldart`	`thanks alot`
`23:38.21`	`JeffM2501`	`sure`
`23:38.33`	`JeffM2501`	`for requiring ID, you just move some perms around in a groups file`
`23:38.34`	`spldart`	`If you want a copy of the log incident for verification I'll give you a link`
`23:38.49`	`JeffM2501`	`he's baned everywhere`
`23:39.04`	`spldart`	`I'll do that later but thanks... I'm really into this new map.. Lame as some think it is :( hehe`
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`23:54.28`	`brad2901`	`wegstar?`
`23:55.58`	`wegstar`	`?`
`23:56.17`	`brad2901`	`got enough clients here yet? :)`
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`23:57.50`	`Mr_Molez`	`anyone know if its possible to be able to see other players on a map as a small tank on the radar... i can see myself as a tank.. just wonder if its possible to see others`
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`23:59.27`	`techman`	`oopsy.. My client locked up during phydrv tests... But they worked and no errors. :)`

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