| 00:27.37 | cosmos | 'frizz' left the game. |
| 00:27.37 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.37 | cosmos | lag forum |
| 00:27.37 | cosmos | *** '{SC} Straker' left the game. |
| 00:27.37 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.08 | wegstar | err.. |
| 00:28.18 | wegstar | argh! |
| 00:29.44 | Mr_Molez | eww windows |
| 00:30.09 | Mr_Molez | dont suppose there is a 1v1 pimpi admin here :( |
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| 00:41.32 | redsoxfan90 | cosmos how am i racists? |
| 00:43.08 | blast007 | gee, quite patient... |
| 00:43.10 | cosmos | that is one persistent teenager |
| 00:43.36 | cosmos | hes managed to get banned from bzbb, put on the master ban list, banned from servers |
| 00:43.41 | cosmos | and hes still coming back |
| 00:44.03 | blast007 | yeah ;) |
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| 02:17.48 | menotume | does any1 know if an SDL dev package dependacny was added between v2.0.0 and the current CVS ? |
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| 02:24.25 | menotume | nvm, it WAS added |
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| 02:56.31 | Mr_Molez | can i report a bug here ? |
| 02:57.34 | PerlMan | what kind of bug did you find? (bug reporting is done on the sourceforge page I think) |
| 02:58.15 | Mr_Molez | ill report it there :p |
| 02:58.21 | trepan | just spit it... |
| 02:59.06 | Mr_Molez | ok.. on the 1v1 server... when some 1 has 1 life left and they shoot themselves the server crashes |
| 02:59.11 | Mr_Molez | i seen it happen twice now |
| 03:00.15 | JeffM2501 | isn't the "life" thing a mod? |
| 03:00.30 | trepan | that's Pimpinella's server and mod, talk to him |
| 03:00.38 | trepan | it doesn't warrant a SF bug report |
| 03:00.42 | Mr_Molez | ahh ok |
| 03:00.45 | Mr_Molez | modified |
| 03:00.47 | Mr_Molez | :p |
| 03:00.53 | Mr_Molez | sorry for bothering u peeps |
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| 03:07.15 | spldart | Evening :) |
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| 03:17.26 | Thumper_ | what is the showothers priv for? /showgroup "other callsign" ? |
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| 03:29.44 | spldart | Quick question... How do I call up my local IP in a linux terminal again? Debian. |
| 03:30.20 | Mr_Molez | ifconfig |
| 03:30.32 | Mr_Molez | (as root) |
| 03:30.46 | spldart | Doh! I always make the mistake and use ipconfig like dos :( |
| 03:30.51 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 03:31.03 | spldart | setting up new router and switch |
| 03:31.14 | Mr_Molez | ohh |
| 03:31.14 | spldart | would like to get the knew linux server bzfs online tonight |
| 03:31.23 | Mr_Molez | nice |
| 03:31.50 | spldart | will su and password be good enough? |
| 03:31.59 | Mr_Molez | yep |
| 03:32.47 | spldart | sweet. worked perfect thanks |
| 03:32.51 | spldart | now to get online |
| 03:32.57 | orange | spldart, get sudo |
| 03:35.56 | spldart | ? |
| 03:36.06 | spldart | Ok.. I'm Intranet but now internet yet |
| 03:36.41 | orange | spldart, I'm saying, you need to get the sudo program so you can do root operations a bit more securely and conveniently |
| 03:38.07 | spldart | ah |
| 03:38.17 | spldart | thanks. I'll look into that this weekend ;) |
| 03:38.18 | menotume | AM trying to run current cvs version, and it seems to get stuck 'downloading files'. Is that a new feature ? :) |
| 03:39.28 | MeBigFatGuy | perhaps delete your cache |
| 03:39.38 | menotume | ahhh, ok, thx |
| 03:39.53 | spldart | can somebody confirm http://67.10.221.4:5154/ ? |
| 03:41.10 | Mr_Molez | ~67.10.221.4:5154 |
| 03:41.17 | menotume | MeBigFatGuy: nope - that didn't do it |
| 03:41.18 | Mr_Molez | ~bzfquery 67.10.221.4:5154 |
| 03:41.26 | MeBigFatGuy | mm |
| 03:41.52 | spldart | sweeeet |
| 03:41.54 | menotume | this is my first try since 2.0.0, so it could be a lot of things, i guess |
| 03:42.08 | spldart | Ping JeffM |
| 03:42.12 | menotume | libcurl perhaps ? |
| 03:45.31 | spldart | ~seen JeffM2501 |
| 03:45.32 | ibot | jeffm2501 is currently on #opencombat (10h 5m 51s) #bzflag (10h 5m 51s) #tacobeam (10h 5m 51s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 45m 17s |
| 03:49.23 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 03:49.53 | spldart | I got my knew router in and my IP changed |
| 03:50.00 | spldart | it is now 67.10.221.4 |
| 03:50.17 | spldart | I was hoping you could change spldart.bakadigital.com to reflect this. |
| 03:50.21 | spldart | Please :) |
| 03:51.12 | spldart | I'm in the process of getting a public map on a linux server right now ;) |
| 03:52.08 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 03:52.11 | JeffM2501 | gimme a biy |
| 03:52.27 | Thumper_ | spldart if you have iproute installed use 'ip a' instead of 'ifconfig' |
| 03:52.50 | spldart | K thanks Jeff |
| 03:53.10 | spldart | iproute? Thumper... I'm not sure if I have that or not |
| 03:53.18 | spldart | I'll just try ip a real quick |
| 03:53.25 | Thumper_ | spldart: ifconfig is old |
| 03:53.41 | Thumper_ | iproute is the package |
| 03:53.54 | spldart | ip a command not found |
| 03:54.05 | Thumper_ | then you need to install the iproute package :) |
| 03:54.08 | Thumper_ | to use ip a |
| 03:54.11 | spldart | ic |
| 03:54.55 | spldart | I'm already thinking that once i have things configured... and i'm confident in setting things up... I may reinstall Debian sarge without X and do everything from terminal ;) |
| 03:55.12 | spldart | just to make it more bullet proof reliable |
| 03:56.03 | Thumper_ | are you using debian sarge now? (with X) ? |
| 03:56.19 | spldart | yeah. I did sarge then opted in x win and apache2 |
| 03:56.30 | Thumper_ | why reinstall... ? you can just remove the packages for X |
| 03:56.32 | spldart | Then added bzflag after install finished |
| 03:56.48 | spldart | will debian be real reliable after uninstalling something so big? |
| 03:56.56 | Thumper_ | works great |
| 03:57.16 | spldart | so apt-get remove or uninstall x |
| 03:57.27 | JeffM2501 | udatede |
| 03:57.32 | Thumper_ | debian has a wonderful package management system... |
| 03:57.47 | Thumper_ | I use aptitude personally |
| 03:58.24 | Thumper_ | it is really nice about cleaning up and removing unused auto-installed packages |
| 03:58.31 | spldart | Thanks Jeff.. So spldart.bakadigital.com directs to 67.10.221.4 now? |
| 03:58.44 | Thumper_ | but you can do apt-get remove package-name or apt-get remove --purge package-name (to remove configs too) |
| 03:58.46 | spldart | I assume it takes a few minutes for the redirect to get in place |
| 03:59.04 | spldart | Ok thanks Thumper.. I might do that this weekend too ;) |
| 03:59.26 | spldart | Sweet |
| 03:59.30 | JeffM2501 | ashould |
| 03:59.33 | JeffM2501 | in lik e 5 min |
| 03:59.46 | spldart | ~bzquery spldart.bakadigital.com:5154 |
| 03:59.54 | spldart | oh.. forgot |
| 04:00.02 | spldart | don't need to specify port when default |
| 04:00.15 | Thumper_ | ick midnight again. night all |
| 04:00.29 | JeffM2501 | have ibot do nsloopu\] |
| 04:00.29 | JeffM2501 | \ |
| 04:00.30 | Thumper_ | (of course the only reason I noticed is irssi stating the day changed...) |
| 04:00.45 | spldart | Night thumper |
| 04:00.49 | Thumper_ | cya |
| 04:01.13 | spldart | nsloop\ ? |
| 04:01.26 | JeffM2501 | nslookup |
| 04:01.34 | JeffM2501 | ibot nslookup spldart.bakadigital.com |
| 04:02.09 | spldart | sweet |
| 04:02.11 | spldart | didn't know that |
| 04:02.14 | spldart | thanks |
| 04:02.19 | spldart | I just restarted my bzfs |
| 04:04.30 | spldart | SWEEEEEEEEET!!!!! |
| 04:04.37 | spldart | I got a global login!!! |
| 04:04.44 | spldart | Thanks everybody! I'm so happy! |
| 04:05.15 | spldart | I'll dink with apache a bit ;) |
| 04:06.37 | spldart | http://spldart.bakadigital.com:92/spme.JPG Can anyone confirm this is online? |
| 04:07.37 | menotume | yes, it is |
| 04:07.47 | spldart | :-D |
| 04:08.04 | menotume | self-portrait ? |
| 04:08.18 | spldart | yep |
| 04:08.22 | menotume | :) |
| 04:08.25 | spldart | ; |
| 04:08.31 | spldart | ;) |
| 04:08.55 | menotume | ahha |
| 04:09.09 | menotume | currnet cvs seems to be borked |
| 04:09.51 | menotume | current hangs at 'downloading files' ... version from a few days ago is fine |
| 04:18.32 | spldart | BTW everyone.. My mini vacation / roadtrip to Corpus Christi went well. Rented an Expedition XLT... Choice ride. I highly recommend it ;) |
| 04:25.14 | spldart | not much to see |
| 04:25.20 | wegstar | :) |
| 04:25.54 | spldart | Just a stupid index.htm I made up hehe |
| 04:32.52 | spldart | JeffM> I hope to pick your brain for just a few minutes to see if their are any optimizations to the configuration of new Dlink router this weekend. If you don't mind ;) |
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| 04:44.04 | jpa- | morning |
| 04:47.54 | wegstar | morning jpa- |
| 04:48.40 | spldart | Morning jpa.. I'm linux now and happy |
| 04:49.14 | wegstar | :) |
| 04:49.30 | wegstar | good to see global logins there :) |
| 04:53.16 | spldart | I plan on taking full advantage of the now properly working server/map. Like I said. This weekend i'm going to get to setup all those things that didn't work before. |
| 05:00.23 | spldart | any linux guru types> Is samba a real stable way of sharing files on linux to windows machines? Could I turn my linux machine into a file server for my entire lan of XP rigs? |
| 05:03.52 | orange | yes, definitely |
| 05:04.09 | orange | highly recommended |
| 05:04.15 | spldart | sweet |
| 05:04.46 | jpa- | (except that jpa- has never been able to set a samba server so that windows boxes wouldn't ask for password..) |
| 05:04.56 | spldart | I would like to throw all 400 gig of avi movie and mp3 music on a 2 channel controller card with 4 hd's on it sometime soon |
| 05:06.00 | spldart | well... Now that I think about it it may be more like 600 or 700 gig |
| 05:06.34 | jpa- | linux may not be used for storing illegal movies! |
| 05:06.35 | orange | jpa-: you can do it... plenty of tutorials on how to set up for guest and/or authenticated access |
| 05:06.52 | spldart | I only backup my own DVD's |
| 05:06.53 | spldart | ;) |
| 05:07.00 | jpa- | orange: yes.. i have it working, but it always asks. when i press ok, it works anyway |
| 05:07.47 | spldart | And my own albums :p ;) |
| 05:08.18 | spldart | I've got over 100 gig in process on my raid right now... Still have to finish conversion and burn |
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| 05:43.24 | spldart | night all |
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| 05:43.57 | DavidF | hi |
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| 05:52.58 | PerlMan | yes it is |
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| 07:03.38 | orange | any devs here want to discuss an anti-cheat idea? |
| 07:20.17 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 07:20.43 | _Manu_ | orange, suggestions wellcome |
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| 07:26.53 | wegstar | .night all |
| 07:26.53 | orange | _Manu_: would take some thought, but my basic idea is to have all clients send a message back to the server when they think they hit a player but he doesn't die |
| 07:27.02 | orange | not manually, not a /vote |
| 07:27.05 | _Manu_ | yes i know that idea |
| 07:27.07 | orange | but an automatic one |
| 07:27.14 | _Manu_ | like an arbitring system |
| 07:27.23 | orange | yes... use the distributed clients for some good |
| 07:27.26 | orange | instead of only against us |
| 07:27.57 | orange | lag is somewhat of an issue, but tolerance could be set, and requiring multiple "reports" from different clients would help |
| 07:28.34 | orange | at the time messages come in, the server could note lag of both players and decide how to score it |
| 07:28.45 | orange | client could send information about the relative position of the shot and the player |
| 07:28.57 | _Manu_ | yes, but as you said.. lag is a problem |
| 07:29.19 | orange | problems were made to be solved... I think it's possible |
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| 07:30.04 | _Manu_ | yes of course, it can be done |
| 07:30.17 | orange | might require more CPU on the server, but it's so lightweight now |
| 07:30.44 | _Manu_ | no.. i think this is not a big overhead for the server |
| 07:30.51 | PrezKennedy | on the otherhand, someone could hack that and use it to kill legitimate users |
| 07:31.02 | _Manu_ | yes... like a cheaters team :) |
| 07:31.08 | orange | it depends on how much you want to do server-side to estimate lag effects |
| 07:31.18 | orange | PrezKennedy: yes, but it would require multiple users |
| 07:31.30 | PrezKennedy | well... ive got friends... ;-) |
| 07:31.59 | orange | for that matter, all the clients could process all potential collisions |
| 07:32.27 | orange | requiring (possibly) a 'vote' from almost all the clients |
| 07:32.34 | _Manu_ | all the clients is high problematic.. |
| 07:32.51 | orange | or... |
| 07:32.59 | orange | have the server randomly assign various clients to watch others |
| 07:33.12 | orange | and have it hop around |
| 07:33.19 | orange | that would prevent teaming up to cheat |
| 07:33.59 | orange | as the server would only accept reports from me on tanks I've been assigned to watch, and that list will change in 10 seconds |
| 07:33.59 | _Manu_ | yes, but i think this can be a problem because playing in real time.. |
| 07:35.26 | _Manu_ | and God mode is easy to see :) |
| 07:35.40 | orange | god mode isn't the problem |
| 07:35.58 | _Manu_ | then.. what is the cheat you mean? |
| 07:35.59 | orange | though admin-absent is an issue even with that |
| 07:36.12 | orange | skinny tanks, percent no death |
| 07:36.30 | _Manu_ | well.. that's like good mode :) |
| 07:36.36 | orange | intentional client process pausing |
| 07:36.49 | orange | yeah, like, but very hard to detect... for human eyes |
| 07:36.53 | orange | that's what computers are good for |
| 07:38.04 | orange | you could even choose to attach a special client in trusted mode (perhaps a particular permission assigned to the user) in observer mode, which could watch many players closely |
| 07:38.22 | orange | a new permission assigned to it like WATCHER |
| 07:38.29 | _Manu_ | well, for testing, i can mod a client arbitrating all the game as observer.. to see what happens |
| 07:38.35 | orange | and then the server knows it can be trusted, and can assign multiple watching chores |
| 07:38.55 | orange | yes... just for reporting |
| 07:39.01 | orange | (while testing) |
| 07:39.13 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 07:39.30 | orange | we just know the server won't be keeping track of all players and shots positions for detection |
| 07:39.34 | orange | and we can't trust the client |
| 07:39.39 | orange | so peer review seems the only other choice |
| 07:40.28 | _Manu_ | actually the server knows the old and actual pos of the tank |
| 07:41.03 | orange | I was thinking it could use something like that and lag information to determine whether or not a 'review' might be invalid based on lag and speed of tank or something |
| 07:41.04 | _Manu_ | i used it for anti-cheat using true speed |
| 07:42.02 | _Manu_ | well.. keep in mind.. one thing.. if simply, two times good :) |
| 07:42.27 | orange | high lagging players would not be assigned any watching tasks, no reports accepted from them |
| 07:42.43 | orange | I think I lost something in the translation there :-) |
| 07:42.48 | _Manu_ | well.. "high lagging players" that can be circunstantial.. |
| 07:43.12 | orange | just another parameter |
| 07:43.23 | orange | server already knows lagstats |
| 07:43.38 | _Manu_ | also computer speed is a handicap |
| 07:43.45 | orange | players who get reports against them get assigned more people to watch them |
| 07:43.46 | _Manu_ | and OS used too |
| 07:44.08 | _Manu_ | i think should be better using only trusted clients |
| 07:44.23 | orange | how will you know? that'd solve a ton of problems anyway |
| 07:44.59 | _Manu_ | well i can trust some players |
| 07:45.06 | orange | oh, trusted players |
| 07:45.14 | orange | that's back to cop/admin, etc. |
| 07:45.25 | orange | if you can get them to play you have no problems |
| 07:45.35 | _Manu_ | yes.. also in viper we got trusted players.. they can kick and short bans |
| 07:45.47 | orange | not all servers will have trusted players |
| 07:45.50 | orange | only the most popular |
| 07:45.55 | _Manu_ | well you allways gan made more trusted players |
| 07:46.01 | _Manu_ | s/gan/can |
| 07:46.03 | orange | secretplace, ducati, viper, gu, hepcat |
| 07:46.27 | orange | that doesn't solve the server that pops up out of nowhere, is popular for a couple weeks, and then goes away...no regulars |
| 07:46.47 | orange | rather than go with trusted players only, I say use everyone |
| 07:47.01 | orange | you could have some players client-auto-reports given more weight, easily |
| 07:47.06 | orange | that could be your trusted connection |
| 07:47.15 | _Manu_ | yes i know what you mean |
| 07:47.15 | orange | but the key is it requires the user to do nothing |
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| 07:47.58 | _Manu_ | my experience tells me this can be a problem.. now allways happens in a net how you expected |
| 07:48.07 | _Manu_ | s/now/not |
| 07:48.43 | orange | I've not heard or seen many other seriously viable anti-cheat methods for such things |
| 07:48.55 | orange | it seems to me a framework to do several anti-cheats |
| 07:49.03 | _Manu_ | i remember.. every time a player cross a teleporter.. the client send a teleporter message.. |
| 07:49.15 | _Manu_ | the the server propagate it.. and all the clients make the teleporter sound.. |
| 07:49.28 | _Manu_ | this is simply.. but i discovered some times the message never arrives to the server |
| 07:49.40 | _Manu_ | so i can't use this message in the anti-cheat |
| 07:49.41 | BearPerson | udp is wonderful |
| 07:49.58 | _Manu_ | udp don't guarantized the message will arrived |
| 07:50.03 | orange | yeah there will be things to work around |
| 07:50.24 | orange | honestly, I'm just wondering if such a framework makes sense... there will be lots of technical issues to overcome, as with anything |
| 07:52.07 | _Manu_ | well the game is continuosly getting better i think |
| 07:52.21 | orange | by the way tupone, I was only asking about keyboard angular velocity dampening because I wondered if the high-speed direction changes were causing any issues... as it turned out it was done just to help aiming, which is cool... I was digging for more info on another topic. |
| 07:53.05 | _Manu_ | you mean setting the ang vel to the max? |
| 07:53.22 | _Manu_ | using the keyboard? |
| 07:53.34 | orange | yes, it ramps up |
| 07:53.55 | orange | I had asked why it was done, not because I didn't think it should, but because I wanted to know the specific motivation |
| 07:54.01 | _Manu_ | well.. yes.. quick responses.. but also difficult to controlling |
| 07:54.47 | orange | yeah, brlcad filled me in... I just had noticed tupone respond with another question that made me think he might have missed my motivation |
| 07:55.06 | orange | some might think such a question is a complaint, and it wasn't, for sure |
| 07:55.37 | _Manu_ | with the mouse you can control your ang vel... simply changing your mouse move speed :) |
| 07:55.45 | orange | well, bedtime... I'm going to mull over the idea more, as I feel it is at least worthy of some discussion |
| 07:56.23 | orange | _Manu_: yeah, that's what prompted the question, actually |
| 07:56.23 | _Manu_ | if you move slow.. moves are slow.. and if you moves quick.. you moves are quick |
| 07:56.23 | BearPerson | can a server-triggered shockwave have a variable radius? |
| 07:56.25 | _Manu_ | also good for jumping turning.. and so on |
| 07:56.26 | orange | later folks |
| 07:56.29 | _Manu_ | cya |
| 07:57.21 | _Manu_ | shockwave radius is fixed in a variable |
| 07:57.23 | _Manu_ | and can be changed |
| 07:57.38 | BearPerson | hmm... not sure if I quite want that... |
| 07:57.58 | BearPerson | just wondering how to do the anti-basecamp SW thing |
| 07:58.25 | _Manu_ | well.. it can be done :) |
| 07:58.27 | BearPerson | one big (size configurable) shockwave would probably be best if it is possible |
| 07:58.44 | _Manu_ | using a customized radius.. not the standard one |
| 07:58.49 | BearPerson | but having every SW during that period become huge may not be too good either |
| 07:59.56 | _Manu_ | no.. i mean only fired one SW before the team respawn |
| 08:00.02 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 08:00.22 | _Manu_ | with a customizable radius.. |
| 08:01.14 | BearPerson | would you do 'sw_radius=bzdb.eval("clearing radius"); fire_spawn_SW(); sw_radius=bzdb.eval("SW radius");' or something similar? |
| 08:01.29 | BearPerson | hmm. but then how would the clients know... |
| 08:02.05 | _Manu_ | heh.. the server will tell them :) |
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| 08:03.14 | BearPerson | I suppose you wouldn't use World Weapons but something along these lines? |
| 08:03.45 | _Manu_ | there are many ways to do it.. using actual protocol |
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| 08:04.18 | _Manu_ | actually also we have the tools for killing a player from the server.. |
| 08:05.06 | _Manu_ | then.. you can implement it in many ways |
| 08:05.15 | BearPerson | but a big shockwave may be more stylish than a "all players inside the moat just die" |
| 08:05.28 | ruskie | :)) |
| 08:05.34 | Pimpinella | yummy, did you use that "enhanced mouse" thing in the past? |
| 08:05.59 | ruskie | and also a sw is more transferable around the place than all players inside the moat die... there are many more maps out there :)) |
| 08:06.00 | yummy | i always used it |
| 08:06.00 | _Manu_ | you also can fire more than one SW.. |
| 08:06.37 | ruskie | maybe it should be (area around the base+base) of sws |
| 08:06.39 | BearPerson | though more than one SW might be difficult |
| 08:06.44 | Pimpinella | has it much effect for you or is it just a goodie? |
| 08:06.52 | yummy | @ pimpi: i always speeded up my mouse nut never to the real max speed ... only the one that fit to me |
| 08:06.52 | _Manu_ | no.. it's easy.. |
| 08:07.01 | _Manu_ | for cleaning the desired radius |
| 08:07.07 | BearPerson | a) to config, and b) for the clients |
| 08:07.15 | ruskie | so basicaly one only sets the area in which it needs to clear it(maybe x+y+z) and then the server makes it... |
| 08:07.22 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 08:07.28 | BearPerson | suddenly having 10 SWs pop up may be a little strain |
| 08:07.37 | _Manu_ | no need 10 :) |
| 08:08.08 | Pimpinella | yummy: has it much effect for you or is it just a goodie? |
| 08:08.09 | ruskie | just a smart algorithm that computes the best way to clean it with as little as possible... |
| 08:08.14 | tupone | For the instantaneous speed change, I guess is there a limit on allowed acceleration. If not, we can introduce |
| 08:08.41 | Pimpinella | tupone: thats what i'm thinking about |
| 08:09.05 | BearPerson | so the gigantic SW starting at the base is dropped in favor of the many-SWs-idea? |
| 08:09.12 | Pimpinella | there's no limit for mouse yet |
| 08:09.20 | ruskie | BearPerson, it's more flexible imho |
| 08:09.21 | tupone | so Agility get some sense |
| 08:09.26 | _Manu_ | one big SW it nice i think.. |
| 08:09.29 | yummy | Pimpinella, the only effect it has it to reduce your hand motion on the desktop ... i don't want to move my mouse for miles to achieve a move :) |
| 08:09.33 | Chestal | you can always have limited acceleration |
| 08:09.37 | Chestal | server setting |
| 08:09.56 | _Manu_ | ChanServ, yes.. but the client can happily ignore it :( |
| 08:10.11 | tupone | that is cheating |
| 08:10.12 | Chestal | the client can ignore shots, too |
| 08:10.18 | tupone | ignore cheating |
| 08:10.19 | _Manu_ | Chestal, known as cheats :) |
| 08:10.34 | BearPerson | firingInfo.lifetime <<is that the range of a weapon? |
| 08:10.47 | _Manu_ | rule 1: don't trust clients.. they will lie you :) |
| 08:10.56 | Pimpinella | Chestal: sure, but it you'll still have differences wetween those playing with cranked mouse and those who do not |
| 08:11.05 | Chestal | IMHO if the fast mouse has no ill effects like shot<->tank collision detection not working, there is no reason to work against it |
| 08:11.37 | tupone | I just vote for a limited acceleration. It will help network too |
| 08:11.48 | Chestal | actually, no, IMHO |
| 08:11.50 | _Manu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.54 | Chestal | it will lead to more messages,not less |
| 08:11.58 | Pimpinella | yeah, but many players seem to assume it cheating |
| 08:12.07 | Pimpinella | and actually ppl are voting by feet |
| 08:12.14 | Chestal | Pimpinella: there is a lot of disinformation there, I am trying to get the facts |
| 08:12.14 | _Manu_ | lol |
| 08:12.16 | tupone | limited should facilitate dead reckoning, no ? |
| 08:12.28 | ruskie | _Manu_, yeah one big is good but many smalls gives a posibilizy of non spherical areas |
| 08:12.32 | Chestal | well, in theory, if you accelerate from 0 to max speed, it's one message |
| 08:12.38 | Chestal | if you accelerate linearly, it's many messages |
| 08:12.46 | Chestal | the dead reckoning only does constant velocity |
| 08:12.59 | _Manu_ | ruskie, i think sphere is the desired.. because equal distance to/from base.. |
| 08:13.07 | tupone | but maybe they stay more on the accuracy |
| 08:13.39 | tupone | if they change speed like crazy they send a lot of messages |
| 08:13.47 | _Manu_ | every pos change is just one message.. |
| 08:13.54 | yummy | setting up a faster mouse only join more the way keyboard users are joining .... 0 to max speed |
| 08:15.46 | ruskie | _Manu_, example on viper... if you have one big sphere you need to destroy all the area between the edge and the moat(centered on base) so for that you would need an extremly huge sw which would go beyond the moat on the sides... with an area based sws you would get a nice clean kill all around... up to the moat... |
| 08:16.50 | BearPerson | On the other hand, destroying anyone within ... of the base would be good too |
| 08:17.06 | BearPerson | you'd probably take down the birdies from the cone over the base too |
| 08:18.20 | _Manu_ | ruskie, you also can fire a laser to every player in the prefixed radius.. lol.. i need coffee :/ |
| 08:19.06 | BearPerson | lool about the laser idea |
| 08:19.21 | BearPerson | just strike them from heaven with a lightning-like laser ;-) |
| 08:19.25 | ruskie | yeah was acctually thinking about that one |
| 08:19.30 | gryzor | cya folks |
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| 08:19.43 | ruskie | but I think sws have less impact... |
| 08:20.01 | BearPerson | would someone with a shield flag be able to survive it? |
| 08:20.12 | ruskie | I'd say no |
| 08:20.15 | ruskie | same as for moat |
| 08:20.19 | _Manu_ | ruskie, or simply killing them with the message.. radiation killed you.. lol |
| 08:20.20 | Chestal | people aresuspecting that the shot hit detection does not work reliably for people withultra fast mouse |
| 08:20.23 | Chestal | thisis what I am trying to test |
| 08:20.38 | ruskie | hmmm ultra fast mous? |
| 08:20.41 | Chestal | I already have a prototype of simple logging and offline visualizaton |
| 08:20.45 | ruskie | can anyone even play like that? |
| 08:20.51 | Chestal | obviously :-) |
| 08:21.01 | Chestal | they cannot drive in a straight line, but evade real fast |
| 08:21.05 | _Manu_ | Chestal, ppl complicates their live :) |
| 08:21.11 | yummy | Chestal: what OS are u testing it ? |
| 08:21.23 | BearPerson | hmm |
| 08:21.36 | Chestal | yummy: well, it's a simple change to the source. The creation of the log file works onany OS |
| 08:21.44 | BearPerson | Would the server just need to make a shot packet, string it up and broadcast it to clients? |
| 08:21.50 | Chestal | my idea is to find some volunteers who would use the modified client for some tests |
| 08:21.53 | BearPerson | Or do I need to tell the server itself about it too? |
| 08:22.05 | yummy | Chestal: just to know what SW u will use to fast up your mouse |
| 08:22.10 | _Manu_ | better than ultra fast acceleration.. is using your experience and the enemy predictable move/shoot |
| 08:22.28 | _Manu_ | i used it with good results.. :) |
| 08:22.29 | [dmp] | Chestal: you got a patch? then i would love to help out on this |
| 08:22.37 | Chestal | yummy: everyone can use what he is using now, I am using "normal" mouse settings myself |
| 08:23.05 | Chestal | [dmp]: yes, very simple one, just a moment |
| 08:23.12 | ruskie | Chestal, point me to such a client and I'm willing to help you as well |
| 08:23.25 | Chestal | it needs some testing first |
| 08:23.33 | Chestal | and then someone who does a windows build |
| 08:23.58 | BearPerson | Does a shock wave need velocity at all? |
| 08:24.01 | ruskie | what is this specific to windows? |
| 08:24.11 | ruskie | BearPerson, possibly to tell it how fast to spread |
| 08:24.48 | Chestal | ruskie: no, but a lot of peopel use Windows |
| 08:24.56 | ruskie | <-- uses linux |
| 08:24.58 | Chestal | and some of those who use this fast settings |
| 08:25.01 | ruskie | and only linux |
| 08:25.08 | Chestal | would be best if some of those volunteered for the testing |
| 08:25.38 | [dmp] | im trying this faster settings to see if i get better with it, but i somewhat doubt it |
| 08:25.49 | Chestal | I had a hard time to adjust to my optical mouse |
| 08:25.59 | [dmp] | aiming is really hard. and without proper aim, its hard to use ricos properly |
| 08:26.03 | Chestal | because the pointer moves about twice as fast as with my old ball mouse |
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| 08:26.10 | ruskie | I used to play cs with a normal mouse even though I had an optical... optical was to damn fast |
| 08:26.39 | ruskie | but bzflag I can play normaly with an optical... |
| 08:26.47 | _Manu_ | yes, my optical one is really fast |
| 08:27.07 | ruskie | though this one only has 800dpi |
| 08:27.21 | _Manu_ | mine is 1400dpi |
| 08:27.39 | Chestal | http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/files/bzlog5.png |
| 08:27.46 | ruskie | but considering that this one is from the age when 400dpi ruled the world :) |
| 08:27.50 | Chestal | this is what it looks like in my prototypical "log visualizer" |
| 08:28.10 | ruskie | and it was cheap as well |
| 08:28.22 | ruskie | Chestal, nice |
| 08:28.57 | [dmp] | [4~ |
| 08:29.18 | ruskie | stoped all downloads to clear the bw... :) |
| 08:29.35 | ruskie | takes a while for all connections to close... :) |
| 08:29.44 | _Manu_ | i saw some ppl using that ultra fast.. short moves.. but i think is not mouse related.. simply a subtle cheat |
| 08:30.05 | ruskie | I have a problem with those ultra fast moves |
| 08:30.11 | ruskie | if a piece of dust comes into the optics |
| 08:30.23 | ruskie | I can change course from 0 to max speed in less than a second |
| 08:30.29 | _Manu_ | and all those guys with my speed anti-cheat... will get kicked.. |
| 08:30.34 | ruskie | into a variable direction as well |
| 08:30.45 | BearPerson | hmm... I think I'll have to pass the problem of the on-cap SW on to you, _Manu_... |
| 08:30.55 | BearPerson | I can't quite dig the appropriate code up yet |
| 08:31.07 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, :) |
| 08:31.19 | BearPerson | meaning I can't find where to add a hook and such |
| 08:32.07 | ruskie | hmmm 5 min to go... |
| 08:33.22 | ruskie | hmmm need to go warm my hands up... ice cold.... |
| 08:33.36 | _Manu_ | ruskie, cya |
| 08:34.29 | BearPerson | hmmm |
| 08:34.59 | BearPerson | it seems the client uses bzdb values for the shockwave radius |
| 08:35.26 | BearPerson | meaning if I make a shockwave with a lifetime of 3 seconds it'll just slloowwwly grow |
| 08:35.48 | ruskie | hmmm /me is proud of not haveing had a cup of caffinetaed or otherwise stimulated drink in four months |
| 08:36.45 | ruskie | hmmm I think 3 seconds is a tad to slow must consider the ppl waiting to respawn... |
| 08:36.58 | BearPerson | I know |
| 08:37.22 | ruskie | now to play some bzflag... |
| 08:37.35 | BearPerson | but now the question is, how do I get players to know that the SW has a different radius? |
| 08:38.52 | BearPerson | with the current code every shockwave has the radius as evaluated from the BZDB... so even if I manage to change that all shockwaves during that time will be huge |
| 08:40.40 | BearPerson | otoh, the shockwave will probably have a .5 sec lifetime or something anyway |
| 08:40.57 | BearPerson | just enough to make it look nice but not kill respawning players |
| 08:41.08 | BearPerson | probably should be configurable too |
| 08:42.04 | _Manu_ | there are many ways to do what you want.. some requires client and server changes and some not |
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| 08:42.39 | BearPerson | I guess the best way would be one that only requires a server change... but how? |
| 08:43.21 | _Manu_ | perhaps some tricks.. prehaps.. some hacks.... ;) |
| 08:43.28 | BearPerson | I guess then the many-sw's would be best |
| 08:43.54 | BearPerson | though the one big _is_ more elegant |
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| 08:44.47 | BearPerson | but then I'd have to send clients a "hey, SW radius is now 100" |
| 08:45.09 | BearPerson | and somehow after a little time send "SW radius is 3" again |
| 08:51.01 | tupone | what this SW is for? killing all base spawning players? |
| 08:51.26 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 08:51.34 | _Manu_ | may be :) |
| 08:51.34 | BearPerson | base camping rather |
| 08:51.45 | tupone | why they are immune? |
| 08:51.52 | BearPerson | intended for base camping, if borked will kill base spawning |
| 08:52.06 | BearPerson | do all servers have a respawn delay? |
| 08:52.13 | _Manu_ | they aren't inmmune.. simply they get advantage |
| 08:52.14 | tupone | nope |
| 08:52.37 | tupone | there is a respawn time delay from death, not from capturing |
| 08:53.16 | _Manu_ | true.. if you get killed.. just before the team capture.. then you respawn later |
| 08:53.37 | tupone | you mean earlier :) |
| 08:53.42 | _Manu_ | yes.. :/ |
| 08:54.19 | _Manu_ | is that one SW.. can kill all those base campers. but perhaps is not the best solution :) |
| 08:54.36 | _Manu_ | the objective is not making a big SW.. is killing the campers :) |
| 08:55.02 | tupone | I know, but that is not a viable solution. At least I don't like it |
| 08:55.46 | _Manu_ | well.. a server weapon when the team flag respawn.. is not bad :) |
| 08:57.02 | _Manu_ | i have no problems against campers.. but many ppl... |
| 08:57.32 | tupone | :-| I don't like no good solution |
| 08:57.57 | _Manu_ | what you don't like.. the campers or the solution? ;-p |
| 08:58.26 | tupone | I don't like that solution |
| 08:58.44 | BearPerson | why? |
| 08:59.01 | _Manu_ | heh.. you can be imaginative.. and think that when the team flag respawn.. a strange radiation is generated.. then all the campers in a prefixed radius simply die |
| 08:59.01 | BearPerson | It would just kill anyone lurking within a certain distance from the base |
| 08:59.04 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 08:59.20 | BearPerson | and as long as the SW is fast enough it won't kill the spawners |
| 08:59.21 | _Manu_ | no need a weapon for it.. :) |
| 08:59.21 | tupone | even player that spawn earlier |
| 08:59.46 | tupone | you could have 0 delay for already dead player |
| 08:59.46 | BearPerson | as I said, you'd have to be careful not to make the SW take like 10 seconds |
| 08:59.47 | _Manu_ | yes.. true.. poors :) |
| 09:00.03 | BearPerson | that'd be just bad luck then, I'd say |
| 09:00.14 | BearPerson | they'll learn |
| 09:00.18 | BearPerson | ;-) |
| 09:00.35 | tupone | I think camper learn that too |
| 09:00.37 | _Manu_ | well.. you can just punt one bullet inside any enemy in the prefixed radius... hehe |
| 09:00.41 | tupone | and stay at distance |
| 09:00.43 | _Manu_ | mean put.. |
| 09:00.54 | _Manu_ | then no problem for the team players |
| 09:01.08 | _Manu_ | or simply killing them because the radiation :) |
| 09:01.49 | _Manu_ | or.. all the enemies.. teletransported to their camp side lol |
| 09:01.50 | tupone | that could work, killing any enemy, but not with SW |
| 09:01.58 | BearPerson | lool |
| 09:02.01 | ruskie | to bad there isn't a cop around when one could be used in an uneven game to kill the stupid ctfing wannabe... :) |
| 09:02.08 | BearPerson | why not SW? |
| 09:02.17 | _Manu_ | ruskie, you can kick.. |
| 09:02.25 | BearPerson | but not kill |
| 09:02.33 | tupone | SW could kill spawning player |
| 09:02.39 | _Manu_ | well only two letters difference :) |
| 09:02.46 | BearPerson | not if it is fast enough and the player slow enough |
| 09:02.56 | _Manu_ | tupone, yes.. i think SW is not a good solution |
| 09:03.10 | BearPerson | probably anything we can do can theoretically kill spawning players |
| 09:03.23 | _Manu_ | yes.. the server can kill them.. |
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| 09:03.38 | _Manu_ | no need a weapon for it |
| 09:04.17 | _Manu_ | simply a kill message and the text message: The radiation generated killed you! ;-p |
| 09:04.30 | ruskie | _Manu_, it's nicer when one can kill them... they get more and more confused... |
| 09:04.48 | BearPerson | on capture: for(i=0;i<curMaxPlayers;i++) if (player[i].x>x1)&&(player[i].x<x2)&&...) kill(player); |
| 09:05.08 | ruskie | on capture reset teams+flags |
| 09:05.18 | ruskie | naahh that's to evil |
| 09:05.24 | BearPerson | ruskie, why? |
| 09:05.24 | _Manu_ | no.. you must calculate the distance from center base.. to the enemy.. x,y,z |
| 09:05.30 | BearPerson | I know |
| 09:05.38 | ruskie | BearPerson, well it's no fun then... |
| 09:05.45 | ruskie | it's nicer if there are spread around... |
| 09:05.45 | BearPerson | you'd set x1=base.x-killdist; and such |
| 09:06.07 | BearPerson | "Looking at the holy flag respawn turned you to stone" |
| 09:06.32 | _Manu_ | but i allways tell.. the better for avoid campers.. is making a good defense |
| 09:06.40 | BearPerson | :) |
| 09:07.10 | _Manu_ | and.. a camper only can made his best work.. when the team flag is captured |
| 09:07.35 | _Manu_ | but a camper.. also made his team unbalanced |
| 09:07.44 | _Manu_ | because he is camping.. |
| 09:07.51 | BearPerson | unless his team was in the majority already... |
| 09:08.17 | BearPerson | and there can always be people that manage to slip through with the flag while everyone is still busy |
| 09:08.58 | _Manu_ | is funny.. when a team respawn.. and there is a SR player placed in the base :-/ |
| 09:09.14 | _Manu_ | but funniest is dropping the SR flag over the enemy base.. |
| 09:09.20 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 09:09.21 | _Manu_ | then when the full team respawn.. heh |
| 09:09.25 | BearPerson | ROFL |
| 09:09.48 | BearPerson | you don't get as many points yourself though |
| 09:09.48 | _Manu_ | i'm bad :) |
| 09:10.03 | _Manu_ | no.. but you make them tking |
| 09:10.16 | _Manu_ | and is fun :) |
| 09:10.19 | BearPerson | until the flag is dropped and vanishes |
| 09:10.34 | _Manu_ | well. then fun is inverse proportional.. :) |
| 09:11.19 | ruskie | I like the SR on base pproach... the flag that is :) |
| 09:11.28 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 09:11.31 | BearPerson | it is plain evil |
| 09:11.36 | BearPerson | lovely :) |
| 09:11.46 | _Manu_ | yes.. i some times drope it there :) |
| 09:11.58 | _Manu_ | when i'm distrasted o_O |
| 09:12.08 | _Manu_ | no evil.. simply distrasted |
| 09:12.25 | ruskie | I don't really bother with base camping it's annoying to the others... and ussualy get's a lot of enemies on my back... |
| 09:12.48 | ruskie | but what I hate most is base campers of my own team with the enemy flag sitting right next to them but they just camp and do nothing |
| 09:13.05 | ruskie | not to mention the ppl who wait to cap... |
| 09:13.39 | ruskie | hmmm best check if teams are more balanced now... |
| 09:16.23 | _Manu_ | ruskie, you know the balanced thing is relative.. now allways teams with equal numbers of players are balanced :) |
| 09:16.30 | _Manu_ | s/now/not |
| 09:17.03 | Chestal | yes, when playing hepcat, often someone from my team does the delayed capture, I hate that |
| 09:17.25 | Chestal | and I am not sure if I hate it more, when it succeeds or when they get shot :-) |
| 09:17.35 | _Manu_ | heh... yes.. lots of ppl get killed while he is waiting :) |
| 09:18.04 | _Manu_ | and he gives time to a Lasered Player... for taking a good place :) |
| 09:18.13 | BearPerson | "are you ready" "wait, I gotta get over here to camp" "okay, go" |
| 09:18.15 | _Manu_ | and kill him when he is going to capture |
| 09:18.37 | BearPerson | especially mean on viper... since that sends the flag back to the middle |
| 09:18.40 | _Manu_ | then.. the laser player fired when he jumped.. and plaff... he is dead :) |
| 09:18.49 | Chestal | when I am close to own base, I am tempted to kill him myself and take the flag the last meters |
| 09:19.18 | BearPerson | can't do that on viper, auto-kill on team kill there |
| 09:19.25 | Chestal | hmm, bad :-) |
| 09:19.33 | Chestal | might still be worth it :-) |
| 09:19.34 | BearPerson | I once had a teammate with TH steal my GM flag, I hated that |
| 09:19.39 | _Manu_ | Chestal, i never seen you in viper.. |
| 09:19.46 | Chestal | _Manu_: right |
| 09:19.56 | Chestal | I'm usually not playing jumping games |
| 09:20.02 | ruskie | bearperson I kill ppl who steal my flag |
| 09:20.08 | ruskie | no matter if it's mine or their |
| 09:20.12 | Chestal | I haven't even been to non-jumping hepcat in ages |
| 09:20.18 | _Manu_ | well.. jump is voluntarie :) |
| 09:20.25 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 09:20.29 | _Manu_ | is simply an option.. lol |
| 09:20.31 | ruskie | and I do warn ppl who try to wait to cap that I'll come and shoot them myself if they don+'t cap and I'm serious |
| 09:20.34 | BearPerson | though with 5 shots you simply have to |
| 09:20.53 | BearPerson | ruskie, I'll start that too :) good idea |
| 09:20.55 | _Manu_ | no.. the bzflag good practices say: rule 1. first in jump.. first in die :) |
| 09:21.08 | ruskie | fjfd :) |
| 09:21.18 | _Manu_ | i allways avoid jumping.. |
| 09:21.23 | _Manu_ | better is dodging |
| 09:21.29 | BearPerson | though you can't really do much when faced with a good 5-bullet-spray |
| 09:21.39 | ruskie | BearPerson, define good |
| 09:21.40 | _Manu_ | yes.. you saw me :) |
| 09:21.43 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 09:22.00 | ruskie | yeah dodge is better |
| 09:22.04 | ruskie | but not always an option |
| 09:22.09 | _Manu_ | and rule 2 says: never discard all your bullets :) |
| 09:22.14 | ruskie | so true |
| 09:22.15 | BearPerson | good: from not too far spaced exactly so it hits you unless you evade the farthest bullets |
| 09:22.31 | BearPerson | comma between far and spaced |
| 09:22.40 | ruskie | I prefer to have something solid behind me that I can jump over/onto |
| 09:22.47 | BearPerson | :) |
| 09:23.03 | ruskie | and I love to kill by rico :) |
| 09:23.10 | BearPerson | I can't quite do the sitting-on-a-building-and-wait-for-the-guy-to-jump thing |
| 09:23.15 | ruskie | the more crazy the rico the better I like it |
| 09:23.24 | BearPerson | I notice them jumping up just when they shoot me |
| 09:23.31 | _Manu_ | i like when a player.. shooted me.. then he jump.. i dodge.. and wait his fallen.. then he can see me how i'm taking the good position.. and just one bullet :) |
| 09:23.45 | ruskie | yeah I use the one bullet approach a lot |
| 09:23.45 | BearPerson | ruskie, I love shooting into the base wall teleporter and such |
| 09:23.58 | ruskie | yeah that's fun as well |
| 09:24.01 | BearPerson | because it comes out the other end |
| 09:24.13 | ruskie | I liko to kill sw campers that way |
| 09:24.28 | BearPerson | I usually have the problem with the 1 bullet that I miss because of lag + the guy immediately jumps again |
| 09:24.28 | ruskie | since they ussualy go into the tower teleporter |
| 09:24.43 | BearPerson | I don't mean that kind of teleporter |
| 09:24.46 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, yes.. it need practice.. |
| 09:24.47 | ruskie | I've learned to control my fire... |
| 09:24.50 | BearPerson | I mean the turn-around kind |
| 09:25.01 | ruskie | ahh that one is nice as well |
| 09:25.21 | BearPerson | you just have to learn that to hit someone on the left, shoot it on the right |
| 09:25.24 | _Manu_ | time to work.. :/ |
| 09:25.26 | ruskie | but I just saw paneb shoot a guy with a laser 3 times and nothing happened to him |
| 09:25.50 | BearPerson | extreme lag? |
| 09:26.01 | ruskie | paneb 100 and the other guy 180 os so |
| 09:26.15 | ruskie | but I do notice that the server is a tad slow it seems... |
| 09:26.24 | ruskie | though not lag wise but the messages come slowly... |
| 09:26.37 | ruskie | ussualy when I kill someone the message is almost immediatly shown |
| 09:26.42 | ruskie | today it was alike a 5 seconds delay |
| 09:27.10 | BearPerson | who was the invincible guy? |
| 09:27.27 | ruskie | someone with an extremly looonnnggg nick |
| 09:27.32 | BearPerson | apropos laser... I love coming after lasers as CL |
| 09:27.33 | ruskie | gregorz_something or other thing |
| 09:27.36 | ruskie | yup |
| 09:27.38 | BearPerson | ahh, I see him |
| 09:27.40 | ruskie | it's so nice |
| 09:27.43 | BearPerson | 180ish ping |
| 09:27.51 | ruskie | but the nicer one is going after gm without a flag |
| 09:27.57 | BearPerson | just slowly come nearer... and nearer... |
| 09:28.00 | ruskie | ever did that? |
| 09:28.08 | BearPerson | circle round or what? |
| 09:28.12 | ruskie | no |
| 09:28.18 | ruskie | close in distance really really fast |
| 09:28.23 | ruskie | gms don't work short range |
| 09:28.26 | BearPerson | I know :) |
| 09:28.34 | BearPerson | I usually circle closer and closer |
| 09:28.34 | ruskie | I killed a guy today that way |
| 09:28.43 | BearPerson | I killed a guy that way ;-) |
| 09:28.58 | ruskie | jump into him before he noticed my bullets he was jumping away but I was to close for gm to work :) |
| 09:29.31 | ruskie | when I need to shoot ppl I ussualy drop anything that modifies my shots |
| 09:29.39 | ruskie | especialy if i9t's close range |
| 09:30.05 | ruskie | gm's lasers all go away from me if I need to shoot ppl that are trying to get me and I can' get them |
| 09:31.19 | BearPerson | :) |
| 09:31.41 | BearPerson | yeah, that gregorz guy does seem a little invincible |
| 09:31.50 | BearPerson | his lag just cranked up to 900 though |
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| 12:06.01 | ToughShooter | ~Gerbil |
| 12:06.02 | ibot | methinks gerbil is a rat or a thief, a crook, a lier, and a kidnapper!!!!, or <reply> David North |
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| 12:13.13 | ToughShooter | I've got some problems with meshes. OO is required to drive through them (I want this) but isn't sealed inside. I want to get the people sealed so that they can't drop OO and shoot at others. |
| 12:13.36 | ToughShooter | I used Wings3D and modeltool, output is at http://pastebin.com/271572 |
| 12:27.06 | BearPerson | Hmm. bzadmin seems to mess up lag stats a little |
| 12:27.26 | BearPerson | the server tells me I have a lag of 3000 and 100% packet loss |
| 12:39.56 | Thumper_ | bzadmin doesn't send position information (which possibly accounts for the packet loss) |
| 12:40.13 | Thumper_ | and I've seen really slow text update which matches the lag value pretty close compared to bzflag on the same machine |
| 12:40.26 | Thumper_ | so I'm not convinced that it is wrong... but it does go all over the place |
| 12:41.14 | BearPerson | viper.pimpi has congested slots all over the place |
| 12:41.31 | BearPerson | in fact, while I was cleaning the slots filled up behind me again |
| 12:41.50 | BearPerson | someone managed to get up to 124 or something |
| 12:54.22 | Pimpi | yeah, happens regulary :( |
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| 14:19.47 | Bagheera | morning all |
| 14:20.32 | ruskie | lo |
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| 14:38.03 | spldart | Morning all |
| 14:38.51 | Bagheera | g'day |
| 14:48.34 | jpa- | g'evening |
| 14:55.59 | spldart | Should I be scared? >good or bad jpa entity. |
| 14:56.02 | brlcad | it's too nice outside today |
| 14:56.08 | brlcad | ~weather kbwi |
| 14:56.39 | Bagheera | brlcad< yesterday was nicer....bit breezy today |
| 14:57.06 | Bagheera | good day to grout the floor though |
| 14:57.34 | brlcad | good day to take a nice warm glass of scotch and sit on a patio |
| 14:57.52 | spldart | ooOOOoo that sounds good |
| 14:58.12 | Thumper_ | warm scotch? ewwww |
| 14:58.17 | Bagheera | Rams Head then... |
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| 15:00.51 | CBG | hi all |
| 15:01.02 | spldart | Hi CBG |
| 15:01.10 | CBG | :D wassup? |
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| 15:02.01 | spldart | Me? Just working. And watching the channel go by ;) |
| 15:02.46 | ToughShooter | Hmm, http://pastebin.com/271614 that along with this mysterious sealed thingy makes me getting frustrated |
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| 15:05.27 | brlcad | mmu_man: you getting Zeta? |
| 15:08.19 | mmu_man | ? |
| 15:08.41 | brlcad | Didn't know that |
| 15:08.56 | brlcad | 1.0 or one of the earlier? |
| 15:09.49 | brlcad | and I suppose the question should have been are you getting zeta 1.0 :) |
| 15:12.25 | Bagheera | ....and the truth is out |
| 15:12.43 | brlcad | and the truth shall set you free |
| 15:14.03 | mmu_man | I guess it needs some GTK or Qt ? |
| 15:14.12 | mmu_man | brlcad working on it :) |
| 15:14.28 | brlcad | no, it just uses Tk |
| 15:14.32 | mmu_man | need to port those first |
| 15:14.34 | brlcad | which it compiles itself |
| 15:14.56 | mmu_man | well I did port a recent Tk, but it needs X11, so it's quite ugly |
| 15:15.01 | mmu_man | will need to make native version :) |
| 15:15.19 | brlcad | a be interface in Tk, you mean? |
| 15:16.30 | brlcad | and I don't think there's a cream to cure this itch |
| 15:17.08 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.18 | mmu_man | as in using native widgets, without crappy X11 |
| 15:17.31 | brlcad | does X11 run side-by-side ala os x? |
| 15:18.53 | mmu_man | it's a very old port |
| 15:19.08 | mmu_man | only qwerty, and runs fullscreen in a workspace |
| 15:19.19 | mmu_man | hmm there is a version using a single window, but it's as ugly |
| 15:19.20 | brlcad | ahh |
| 15:19.25 | brlcad | so pretty separate environment |
| 15:19.39 | mmu_man | yep |
| 15:20.01 | mmu_man | there were atempts at a better one, but they don't seem really active |
| 15:20.15 | mmu_man | http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/shot_xemacs_beos_x11_03.png |
| 15:21.15 | mmu_man | much better native http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/shot_xemacs_native_gnus.png |
| 15:23.21 | brlcad | yeah, native Tk would be way better .. and bring a lot of apps for free |
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| 15:26.25 | Bagheera | ya know, a couple screenshots might help with GoBe |
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| 15:29.06 | brlcad | http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3692&page=1 |
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| 15:34.56 | CBG | Why are tghe individual player scores on ctf maps? |
| 15:35.00 | CBG | *there |
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| 15:35.21 | CBG | They are not needed. It's a TEAM game... So you only need TEAM scored, surely... |
| 15:35.47 | ruskie | yeah would be good |
| 15:35.52 | ruskie | might make ppl acctually play as a team |
| 15:36.05 | CBG | Lately loads of people have ben playing CTF maps like they are FFA maps... |
| 15:36.08 | orange | from a point of view of game balance it helps to know the relative strength of individuals |
| 15:36.19 | CBG | And I always find myself trying to save my team flag on my own |
| 15:36.30 | ruskie | you to eh? |
| 15:36.30 | CBG | whilst team mates work on their player scores... |
| 15:36.44 | Bagheera | brlcad< ouch, thats not exactly a good review |
| 15:36.59 | CBG | orange: but, it's not needed... |
| 15:37.08 | CBG | orange, its not even relative. |
| 15:37.23 | CBG | orange, idinidual scores show kilss/deaths |
| 15:37.28 | orange | it's all we have right now, though I understand that's being worked on |
| 15:37.37 | CBG | orange, surely a good player is one that caps and saves team flags.... |
| 15:37.38 | orange | BearPerson already has a patch to change scoring method |
| 15:37.41 | ToughShooter | Perhaps number of capured flags instead of player score would be good |
| 15:37.48 | ruskie | yup |
| 15:37.49 | CBG | Yeah. |
| 15:38.02 | orange | there are many jobs on a team to score |
| 15:38.10 | orange | I say this as a person who runs flags much better than he shoots |
| 15:38.35 | CBG | Yeah. Just because you are a terrible shot, doesnt mean you arnt a great player. |
| 15:38.45 | CBG | nMaybe you can dodge and carry flags well... |
| 15:38.50 | orange | so I rarely score well, but I still think the scoreboard has value |
| 15:38.51 | Chestal | the best approach yet was [dmp]'s ladder IMHO |
| 15:38.52 | ruskie | yeah a) flag runs b) flag saves c) base defense d) cover |
| 15:38.55 | ToughShooter | I agree that capturing is not the only thing that defines playing good |
| 15:39.18 | CBG | Chestal: how did that work? |
| 15:39.26 | BearPerson | maybe putting the flag somewhere safe would be nice too |
| 15:39.30 | ToughShooter | e.g. be a companion of player with team (or enemy) flag |
| 15:39.33 | Chestal | basically it rated the team as a whole |
| 15:39.40 | BearPerson | you get points if the flag will stay where it is |
| 15:39.44 | spldart | Being a rogue...On your team.. And charging into groups of the other team shooting at all of them does help break up a good defensive position though. Allows your team a chance to get things done |
| 15:39.44 | Chestal | e.g. when team captures, teamis rewarded (ELO) |
| 15:39.46 | CBG | Cool. |
| 15:39.55 | Chestal | and the delta ELO is then distributed on the players |
| 15:40.01 | CBG | ok. |
| 15:40.02 | spldart | I usually play like that and then every once in a while go after a flag or two |
| 15:40.12 | Chestal | this only really makes sense with permanent scores |
| 15:40.30 | CBG | But I still think losing the current Player scores would discourage players playing FFA style on CTF maps. |
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| 15:40.58 | ruskie | yup |
| 15:41.32 | BearPerson | maybe just add the number of enemy players killed to the score on a capture |
| 15:41.36 | BearPerson | for every team member |
| 15:41.57 | BearPerson | then it would be better for your score to make sure the flag goes home than to camp at the enemy base |
| 15:42.09 | ruskie | yup |
| 15:42.18 | ruskie | all ppl need is incentive |
| 15:42.44 | BearPerson | that'd probably even be possible as a server-side patch |
| 15:42.52 | BearPerson | only server-side that is |
| 15:43.05 | CBG | Maybe somthing like: Player score = (current scores / 4) + flag caps |
| 15:43.07 | BearPerson | should the flag carrier get extra points? |
| 15:43.31 | BearPerson | I'd just say kills += # of enemy team members on a flag cap |
| 15:43.42 | CBG | But wait. |
| 15:43.45 | BearPerson | I actually thought it worked that way in the beginning |
| 15:44.02 | CBG | I just thought, what if a teammie took the flag all the way but dropped it right infront of ur base |
| 15:44.09 | CBG | and you take it the last yard |
| 15:44.19 | CBG | nwhy do you get the points? not the teammie? |
| 15:44.19 | BearPerson | all the team probably gets the points |
| 15:44.23 | CBG | yeah. |
| 15:44.35 | BearPerson | and maybe flag carrier a few more |
| 15:44.50 | CBG | so some combination of you own score (deaths v. kills) + team caps... |
| 15:44.53 | BearPerson | or the one that carried the flag the longest... though that'd be more codework |
| 15:45.00 | CBG | yeah. |
| 15:45.06 | BearPerson | + team caps where you were around |
| 15:45.20 | BearPerson | no use summing up the caps of the last 13 hours |
| 15:45.26 | CBG | yeah... :P |
| 15:45.45 | BearPerson | so on a 3vs3 you'd get 3 kills if your team caps |
| 15:46.07 | BearPerson | hmm. should anyone get any deaths to balance the scores again? |
| 15:46.23 | ruskie | how about if tank is escorting(i.e. is in a certain range of the flag carrier) from point a to b that might be a little extra as well |
| 15:46.45 | CBG | ALso, your own score should go down when your flag is capped... |
| 15:46.54 | CBG | to encourage ppl to try to save it... |
| 15:47.01 | BearPerson | yeah... attach a floating point value to every tank and on flag capture distribute the score accordingly |
| 15:47.14 | BearPerson | maybe deaths += # of enemy/4 |
| 15:47.14 | CBG | sounds good. |
| 15:47.16 | ruskie | CBG, yup |
| 15:47.20 | BearPerson | you don't want to make it too harsh |
| 15:47.24 | CBG | no... |
| 15:47.33 | CBG | but at least encourage team play more so. |
| 15:47.42 | BearPerson | but that distribution idea will be harder to implement |
| 15:47.49 | CBG | right now, there seems little reason to try to save urs/cap theirs |
| 15:47.53 | BearPerson | a lot of server-side calculations to see who's doing what |
| 15:49.06 | BearPerson | will put a very big strain on the server |
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| 15:49.55 | CBG | so? :P lol |
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| 15:53.27 | BearPerson | I just thought we had a pretty let-the-server-run-on-a-386 attitude |
| 15:53.38 | BearPerson | as little overhead as possible |
| 15:54.34 | CBG | cya all |
| 15:54.42 | spldart | cyah |
| 15:55.01 | ruskie | :) |
| 15:56.30 | BearPerson | hehe |
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| 16:47.48 | menotume | tupone, come back ! |
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| 17:00.42 | CBG | Can I set server.website.com to direct to my IP and then use www.website.com as a normal site? |
| 17:01.05 | CBG | It's just that I want to use a domain(not an IP) as my server address |
| 17:01.20 | CBG | but I also want a site about the server, etc |
| 17:01.24 | Tupone | why not? |
| 17:01.25 | Thumper_ | sure |
| 17:01.40 | Thumper_ | www is port 80, bzflag server is 5154 (or whatever you pick != 80) |
| 17:01.54 | menotume | Tupone ! |
| 17:02.05 | Tupone | menotume: ? |
| 17:02.12 | Thumper_ | 12:47 < menotume> tupone, come back ! |
| 17:02.19 | Thumper_ | guess he missed you :) |
| 17:02.21 | CBG | Tupone: serv.seumthin.com is easier to remember than 127.5.66.7.1 or whatever |
| 17:02.51 | CBG | Thumper, so, how the heck do I go about doing it? |
| 17:03.11 | Thumper_ | you want to have a webserver and a bzflag server on the same host with a dns entry pointing at it? |
| 17:03.41 | CBG | I want to host my server on this computer, and direct sub.domain.com to this IP.... |
| 17:03.56 | CBG | but use www.domain.com as normal shared hosting... |
| 17:04.41 | CBG | Can I direct a subdomain to my IP from my hosting CPanel? |
| 17:04.42 | Thumper_ | so www.domain.com is not on this computer... |
| 17:04.45 | CBG | Oh wait. |
| 17:04.52 | CBG | That wont work. I have a dynamic IP |
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| 17:04.56 | CBG | No. |
| 17:05.06 | Thumper_ | well if it's dynamic...and doens't change it'll work ;) |
| 17:05.20 | CBG | I mean it does change............ |
| 17:05.22 | Thumper_ | or you will be playingn catchup with the dns database everytime it changes |
| 17:05.32 | CBG | Wait,... |
| 17:05.53 | Thumper_ | and other dns server normally cache info for some period of time so they'll be wrong after you change ips |
| 17:06.14 | CBG | Could I get a free domain that directs to my IP from dyndns.org, then redirect sub.domain.com to that free domain?> |
| 17:06.32 | Thumper_ | don't think so |
| 17:06.39 | CBG | Aww. Damn. |
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| 17:06.45 | CBG | Is there any other way to do it? |
| 17:06.49 | Thumper_ | but if you have control of domain.com's dns database |
| 17:06.55 | Thumper_ | just make an entry for your dynamic ip |
| 17:06.58 | Thumper_ | with a short TTL |
| 17:07.04 | CBG | You lost me... |
| 17:07.09 | TheRedBaron | ~learner |
| 17:07.10 | ibot | from memory, learner is your friend . |
| 17:07.15 | CBG | whats a TTL |
| 17:07.17 | CBG | ? |
| 17:07.30 | Thumper_ | the time the record is remembered by other dns server that use it (time to live) |
| 17:07.48 | Thumper_ | so if it does change you update your record and other servers will eventually pick it up |
| 17:07.50 | CBG | Even more lost now. :( |
| 17:07.59 | CBG | Ok. |
| 17:08.01 | Thumper_ | and you can theoretically control how long they cache the info for |
| 17:08.06 | CBG | Imagine I'm 8 years old |
| 17:08.12 | Thumper_ | ohoh :) |
| 17:08.15 | CBG | And I speak little english.... |
| 17:08.30 | TheRedBaron | come one thumper, that wouldn't be to hard to imagine... :P |
| 17:08.32 | CBG | Now explain the easiest way to do waht I want to do :) |
| 17:08.41 | CBG | LOL @ TRB |
| 17:09.24 | Thumper_ | you can create a dns A record in domain.com that points at your dynamic ip system? |
| 17:09.26 | Tupone | CBG: what dinamic ip are you served from ? |
| 17:09.33 | Tupone | dyndns.org ? |
| 17:09.38 | Tupone | no-ip.com? |
| 17:09.38 | CBG | Tupone: huh? |
| 17:09.47 | CBG | no. |
| 17:09.50 | CBG | nothing yet |
| 17:09.57 | CBG | I want to know if its possible |
| 17:10.02 | CBG | I want to have one domain |
| 17:10.10 | Tupone | it is possible :) |
| 17:10.11 | Bagheera | tupone beat me to it |
| 17:10.11 | CBG | called for example: www.domain.com |
| 17:10.24 | CBG | I want www.domain.com point to a sute on my regular shared hiosting |
| 17:10.37 | CBG | I want sub.domain.com to point to my IP |
| 17:10.54 | Tupone | if you have a dynamic ip you have to go to one of dynamic hosting provider |
| 17:10.58 | CBG | so that on bzflag, you go to server: sub.domain.com:5154 to play my map... |
| 17:11.02 | Bagheera | cbg , yes it is possible |
| 17:11.17 | CBG | Ok. So whats the easiest way to do it |
| 17:11.29 | CBG | n(please imaging I am 8 and speak little english:) ) |
| 17:11.32 | Tupone | what OS again? |
| 17:11.43 | CBG | Mac OS 10.3.8 |
| 17:11.51 | CBG | Should be getting Tiger soon :D |
| 17:12.05 | Tupone | for now, go to www.dyndns.org and get an account |
| 17:12.21 | CBG | I'm looking into any alternatives ;) |
| 17:12.37 | Tupone | find a client for MacOSX in the list of client |
| 17:12.50 | CBG | Yeah... |
| 17:12.58 | CBG | Carry on explaining. :) |
| 17:13.10 | Tupone | there are good explanation there, and they are written for age 8 baby |
| 17:13.16 | menotume | they explain it all pretty well on the site |
| 17:13.18 | menotume | :) |
| 17:13.23 | menotume | beat ME to it |
| 17:13.42 | menotume | CBG: either dydns.org or no-ip.com |
| 17:13.42 | CBG | Waaaa? |
| 17:13.49 | CBG | Wait... |
| 17:14.18 | CBG | Do you understand that I want to buy my won domain to point to a website and then set a subdomain of that domain to go to my Dynamic IP.... |
| 17:14.21 | CBG | ? |
| 17:14.34 | menotume | CBG: you can do that there too |
| 17:14.57 | CBG | But I dont want to host my site on my computer... |
| 17:15.00 | menotume | i think - you need dns services |
| 17:15.09 | menotume | ohhh |
| 17:15.51 | CBG | Got it? |
| 17:16.59 | Tupone | afraid.org ? |
| 17:18.57 | *** join/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c121-p065.vtx.ch) |
| 17:21.07 | menotume | well, there are a lot of hosting packages that will allow you to create subdomains, and redirect them |
| 17:21.38 | menotume | you could redirect a subdomain to go to whatever.dydns.com, i suppose |
| 17:21.51 | Tupone | afraid allow to have more control on what you want. and is still free. But not so stable like dyndns or no-ip |
| 17:25.09 | Bagheera | tupone is quick on the draw today |
| 17:25.52 | Tupone | I'm not drawing |
| 17:26.24 | Bagheera | <re-speak> tupone is quick on the keyboard today |
| 17:26.32 | Tupone | lol |
| 17:26.49 | Tupone | I get half an hour to write that line |
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| 17:34.37 | BearPerson | hmm. I would like to announce that the slot => player>max bug has been fixed |
| 17:34.45 | BearPerson | at least it looked fixed on viper |
| 17:35.05 | TheRedBaron | what code is the server running? |
| 17:36.35 | BearPerson | day before yesterday's CVS |
| 17:41.51 | TheRedBaron | ah |
| 17:44.08 | CBG | menotume, tupone: back. sorry, got into a random, spontaneous bb gun fight with my bro. :D |
| 17:46.59 | CBG | So, can I buy and host a domain on shared hosting, then direct a subdomain to a free domain from dyndns.org that redirects tgo my dynamic IP ...? Will that work? |
| 17:50.29 | Tupone | nope, i don't think |
| 17:50.42 | CBG | So... How can I do it? |
| 17:50.52 | CBG | I need to do something to make my IP static |
| 17:52.11 | Tupone | you need to control your DNS entry in some way. It can be your provider, where you get the domain and space, or another dyn ip provider |
| 17:52.49 | Tupone | normally those dyn provider do not provide space for web |
| 17:52.51 | CBG | My DNS entry? (Im 8 and speak little english, remember?) |
| 17:53.11 | Tupone | the translation from www.domain.com to an IP |
| 17:53.44 | CBG | Oh. OK. But I want to direct SUB.domain.com to an IP and send www.domain.com to my hosted site... |
| 17:54.28 | Tupone | who is going to host your web space? |
| 17:54.39 | CBG | what company? |
| 17:55.00 | menotume | ~Tupone++ |
| 17:55.19 | Tupone | is a big company? it does offer dyn dns ? |
| 17:55.44 | Tupone | it is the same that provide you the domain |
| 17:55.47 | Tupone | ? |
| 17:56.02 | CBG | It would probably be infrenion.com |
| 17:56.35 | CBG | I would probably get the domain at domainsite.com |
| 17:57.35 | Tupone | domain and space should be related, unless you handle by your self |
| 17:58.02 | Tupone | too much out of topic :( |
| 17:58.10 | CBG | I already host a site.... |
| 17:58.31 | CBG | I bought the domain and hosting separatly and edited the namservers..... |
| 17:59.01 | *** join/#bzflag bz3039 (~3eff200c@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 17:59.23 | Tupone | if you are able to edit the DNS, ou just need a simple program that automatically receive the ip fro the dynamic host and change the record |
| 17:59.37 | Tupone | if that is possible, there are program that do that |
| 17:59.50 | CBG | whats the dynamic host? |
| 17:59.54 | Tupone | program need to run where nameserver is |
| 18:00.11 | CBG | wait. I dont get it :( |
| 18:00.11 | Tupone | where you want to run the bzfs server |
| 18:00.20 | CBG | I need a program to make my IP static? |
| 18:00.24 | Tupone | nope |
| 18:00.30 | *** part/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c121-p065.vtx.ch) |
| 18:00.36 | CBG | then what? |
| 18:01.03 | Tupone | you need a program where the nameserver run that receive a message from the computer where bzfs run |
| 18:01.23 | *** join/#bzflag RedBaron2 (~45f06abf@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:01.30 | CBG | So, a program that will change the nameservers when my IP changes? |
| 18:01.36 | Tupone | yeah |
| 18:01.54 | CBG | Right :D ok |
| 18:01.56 | Tupone | Best thing is to experiment with free domain, and then see what to do |
| 18:01.57 | CBG | then just direct the IP to the sub? |
| 18:02.09 | Tupone | yeah |
| 18:02.36 | CBG | Ok. Cheers. :D |
| 18:08.06 | Bagheera | ~Tupone++ |
| 18:08.17 | Tupone | For what ? |
| 18:08.49 | Bagheera | its karma baby....its just for being |
| 18:09.09 | Tupone | hehe :) ty |
| 18:11.54 | CBG | When I redirect my subdomain to my IP: do I put 81.103.45.91 or http://81.103.45.91/ ? |
| 18:12.17 | Tupone | only number |
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| 18:12.38 | CBG | ok. thanks |
| 18:13.46 | CBG | I set a redirect from server.kaziaz.com to 81.103.45.91 |
| 18:14.14 | CBG | but it now tries to go to http://server.kaziaz.com/home/user/public_html/server/81.103.45.91 |
| 18:14.30 | CBG | when you try to go to server.kaziaz.com.... :( |
| 18:15.42 | ruskie | CBG, what are you doing? |
| 18:16.01 | CBG | ruskie: I want to buy a domain (for example www.domain.com) |
| 18:16.12 | CBG | then host it at a normal web host |
| 18:16.36 | CBG | but somehow redirect subdomain.domain.com to my IP to run a server.... |
| 18:16.51 | CBG | so that on bzflag, you go to server.domain.com, not 123.23.23.1 or whatever |
| 18:17.10 | ruskie | why not use something like dyndns.org? |
| 18:17.17 | ruskie | for the bzflag part of the sevrer |
| 18:17.23 | CBG | I want the site to have the same domain... |
| 18:17.27 | CBG | if possible... |
| 18:17.28 | ruskie | ahhh |
| 18:18.06 | CBG | Is is possible to set a different DNS's for the domain and a subdomain? |
| 18:18.21 | ruskie | hmmm I think so |
| 18:18.29 | ruskie | not sure though |
| 18:18.36 | Bagheera | yes |
| 18:18.55 | CBG | Umm... Ok. How would I do that? |
| 18:19.26 | CBG | Wow. Cool! So, how? :s |
| 18:19.53 | Tupone | CBG: just editing the nameserver entry |
| 18:20.19 | CBG | But, how can I put in one thing for site.com and a diff thing for sub.site.com ?? |
| 18:20.43 | Tupone | how do you edited the nameserver entry? text editor? |
| 18:20.54 | CBG | From the registras site |
| 18:21.02 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACD4ED63.ipt.aol.com) |
| 18:21.02 | CBG | from my account there... |
| 18:21.08 | Tupone | ahh, can you put a CNAME ? |
| 18:21.17 | CBG | a What? |
| 18:21.22 | Tupone | look at the option |
| 18:21.37 | CBG | k one sec |
| 18:22.14 | Tupone | CNAME is like an alias |
| 18:22.31 | CBG | lemme find the page where i edit the dns :P |
| 18:22.54 | Tupone | prolly you can insert a new name, like bzflag.domain.com and alias to cbg.dyndns.org |
| 18:23.23 | *** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:23.26 | CBG | Cant I just do that as a redirect from my cpanel? |
| 18:23.34 | menotume | CBG: yes |
| 18:23.42 | CBG | Ahhh |
| 18:23.49 | CBG | Ok. So I need to do this: |
| 18:24.12 | CBG | 1. sign up at dyndns.com and get it set up so a free domain points to my dnyamikc IP |
| 18:24.19 | menotume | yep |
| 18:24.28 | menotume | in cpanel, create a subdomain |
| 18:24.28 | CBG | 2. redirect server.domain.com to the free domain |
| 18:24.33 | CBG | and thats it? |
| 18:24.40 | menotume | redirect the subdomain to the dydns name |
| 18:24.51 | menotume | sounds plausable |
| 18:25.07 | menotume | wait, i'll try it myslef :) |
| 18:25.27 | CBG | Ok. thanks. :D |
| 18:25.34 | CBG | You guys are all stars. |
| 18:25.38 | CBG | No. SUPER stars! |
| 18:26.48 | menotume | CBG: http://cbg.bzleague.com |
| 18:27.04 | CBG | so |
| 18:27.08 | CBG | whats that? |
| 18:27.08 | menotume | redirects to bzflag.no-ip.com, and goes here to this computer's webserver |
| 18:27.13 | CBG | oh |
| 18:27.15 | CBG | cool :D |
| 18:27.18 | CBG | so it works? |
| 18:27.21 | menotume | cpanel :) |
| 18:27.28 | CBG | thanks :D |
| 18:27.29 | menotume | seems to form here |
| 18:27.30 | menotume | try it |
| 18:28.42 | menotume | it's not a 'real' dns entry, so when you go there in your browser, it'll show up as bzflag.no-ip.com |
| 18:28.53 | CBG | thats ok :D |
| 18:29.03 | CBG | I dont expect anyone to go to the subdomain in their browser |
| 18:29.08 | CBG | just in bzflag :) |
| 18:29.14 | menotume | gotya |
| 18:29.23 | menotume | ohhh, that could be a problem |
| 18:29.31 | CBG | Why? |
| 18:29.45 | menotume | dunno how that redirect works, lemm try |
| 18:30.18 | CBG | :o |
| 18:30.27 | Tupone | you need a real dns entry with CNAME |
| 18:30.57 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (~birdie@d5153C263.access.telenet.be) |
| 18:31.06 | menotume | ya, sry |
| 18:31.11 | CBG | Awww :( |
| 18:31.18 | menotume | doesn't work - is only a http redirect, i guess |
| 18:31.43 | CBG | damn. :( |
| 18:31.54 | CBG | ok. Ill try the CName thing :) |
| 18:31.56 | menotume | ~menotume-- |
| 18:32.18 | CBG | ~menotume |
| 18:32.19 | ibot | i heard menotume is me-not-u-me |
| 18:32.35 | CBG | really? |
| 18:32.48 | menotume | ibot never lies |
| 18:33.01 | TheRedBaron | ~whaleslap menotume for lying |
| 18:33.03 | ibot | ACTION slaps menotume for lying upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 18:33.07 | CBG | I always though of it as Men-oh Tyoone |
| 18:33.07 | TheRedBaron | really? |
| 18:33.08 | menotume | :P |
| 18:33.28 | TheRedBaron | it is men-oh-toom |
| 18:33.31 | menotume | pronounce it meno-toom :) |
| 18:33.34 | menotume | right |
| 18:33.37 | CBG | Yeah... |
| 18:33.48 | menotume | or, any way you want - i won't hear you |
| 18:33.54 | CBG | I meant Like tune with an m... |
| 18:33.58 | CBG | lol-true. |
| 18:34.38 | CBG | How do I do this CNAME thing? |
| 18:34.45 | menotume | got me |
| 18:34.48 | CBG | I'm, on the page I edit the DNS from... |
| 18:35.03 | CBG | it just lets me add or removed Name Servers... |
| 18:35.05 | Tupone | what kind of record you can choose |
| 18:35.21 | CBG | It just has a box to type the ns in... |
| 18:35.26 | menotume | ya, your dns is really at the web-hoster, i think |
| 18:35.33 | CBG | (like ns1.domainsite.com) |
| 18:35.40 | Tupone | and what name you put on? |
| 18:35.59 | CBG | my hosts name servers |
| 18:36.10 | CBG | NS1.INFRENION.COM and NS2.INFRENION.COM |
| 18:36.28 | Tupone | ah ok, so that is a nameserver redirection |
| 18:36.40 | CBG | oh |
| 18:36.55 | Tupone | I don't think you can modify the infrenion.com nameserver record, but you can ask to |
| 18:37.03 | menotume | yes |
| 18:37.12 | menotume | what version of cpanel ? |
| 18:37.25 | CBG | I found a page that called "Register a Name Server. It says: This will register a name server for your domain name with the registry. You must have the IP address of the DNS server you are registering. |
| 18:37.29 | CBG | Do not use this service to add name servers to your domain. Instead use the "Edit Name Servers" option. |
| 18:38.03 | CBG | cpanel build: 10.0.0-RELEASE |
| 18:38.09 | Tupone | you don't need to add nameserver, you need to add host |
| 18:38.25 | CBG | ooooooh.... k. |
| 18:38.27 | Tupone | A record |
| 18:38.31 | Tupone | or MX record |
| 18:38.35 | Tupone | or CNAME record |
| 18:38.42 | menotume | k, i have 10.0.0-RELEASE 30, but they can anable/disable individual features anyway |
| 18:39.00 | CBG | nothing like that on my domainsite.com account... |
| 18:39.14 | menotume | _some_ hosters do have a web-interface to do DS record edits |
| 18:39.20 | CBG | there is "URL Forwarding" |
| 18:39.34 | CBG | DS? |
| 18:39.45 | Tupone | anything in the infrenion site that you can edit? |
| 18:39.58 | CBG | my cpanel? |
| 18:40.02 | CBG | or infrnion.com? |
| 18:40.11 | CBG | *infrenion.com? |
| 18:40.47 | Tupone | I suppose that from your cpanel you are at web-hoster |
| 18:40.59 | menotume | yes |
| 18:41.08 | CBG | sorry? |
| 18:41.14 | CBG | web-hoster? |
| 18:41.19 | Tupone | if you have redirected to infrednion you need to go to infrenion to change |
| 18:42.28 | Tupone | CBG you bought a domain to some domain provider |
| 18:42.41 | CBG | from. yeah... |
| 18:42.55 | Tupone | and your cpanel is pointing to that provider |
| 18:43.02 | menotume | CBG: best thing to do is fire off an email to inrenion support |
| 18:43.08 | CBG | uhhh |
| 18:43.13 | menotume | and ask them |
| 18:43.25 | CBG | tupone: My CPanel points to my domain... |
| 18:43.43 | *** part/#bzflag [dmp] (~dennis@port151.ds1-aboes.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 18:43.44 | Tupone | CPanel is a program? |
| 18:43.50 | Tupone | or a web page? |
| 18:44.01 | CBG | Uhhh. Web Page I guess. |
| 18:44.08 | Tupone | what is the url there? |
| 18:44.23 | menotume | cpanel is a web-interface |
| 18:44.24 | CBG | http://www.kaziaz.com:2082/ |
| 18:44.29 | CBG | but its pass restricted |
| 18:44.32 | menotume | is password protected |
| 18:44.35 | menotume | :) |
| 18:44.38 | CBG | ;) |
| 18:44.56 | Tupone | who is kaziak? |
| 18:45.01 | menotume | Tupone: it allows you to setup email accounts, packages, ftp accounts, etc. |
| 18:45.12 | CBG | Its just a random-mad-up word. |
| 18:45.31 | Tupone | it is there, that you get your domain? |
| 18:45.40 | CBG | no |
| 18:45.50 | CBG | I got my domain from domainsite.com |
| 18:46.08 | Tupone | and from kaziak you can handle it :/ |
| 18:46.18 | CBG | the domain? |
| 18:46.27 | CBG | partially |
| 18:46.28 | Tupone | yeah, the nameserver info |
| 18:46.36 | CBG | I can set subdomains and redirects... |
| 18:46.45 | CBG | I set the DNS at domainsite.com |
| 18:46.50 | Tupone | who as connected the 2? kaziak and domainsite.com |
| 18:46.55 | Tupone | s/as/has/ |
| 18:47.01 | CBG | but wait. I didnt get kaziaz at domainsite |
| 18:47.47 | CBG | I set the Nameservers at domainsite.com to send kaziaz.com to my hosting account |
| 18:48.27 | Tupone | how did you set that? at domainsite? |
| 18:48.44 | CBG | yes |
| 18:48.51 | Tupone | how ?:) |
| 18:49.02 | Tupone | with some interface or via e-mail? |
| 18:49.16 | CBG | with a form on the site |
| 18:49.27 | Tupone | ok, so they redirected to kaziak |
| 18:49.39 | CBG | yep |
| 18:49.46 | menotume | yes, to the names servers at kaziak |
| 18:49.48 | Tupone | from kaziak you are allowed to redirect further ? That is crazy |
| 18:50.00 | Tupone | so you redirected to ns1.infrenion |
| 18:50.06 | CBG | yeah |
| 18:50.09 | CBG | no |
| 18:50.12 | CBG | domainsite.com did |
| 18:50.29 | CBG | they redirected kaziaz.com to ns1.infrnion... |
| 18:50.30 | Tupone | domainsite.com can redirect to just one or the other, not both |
| 18:50.48 | CBG | huh? |
| 18:50.57 | CBG | they havent directed to two things....? |
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| 18:51.07 | Tupone | we just said that domainsite.com redirected nameserver to kaziak |
| 18:51.16 | CBG | no |
| 18:51.33 | CBG | domainsite.com has directed kaziaz.com to the infrenion nameservers |
| 18:51.39 | *** part/#bzflag Birdie (~birdie@d5153C263.access.telenet.be) |
| 18:51.51 | menotume | CBG: look around at domainsite some more .... |
| 18:52.19 | CBG | menotume: I have. It seems I bought a domain with no features... (Cheaper :P) |
| 18:52.22 | menotume | networksoultions (a similar service) allows DNS management (MX records, etc.) |
| 18:52.31 | CBG | so basically, all I can do is change the namservers... |
| 18:53.40 | menotume | you have 'full service domain registreation' at domainsite ? |
| 18:53.49 | CBG | whats the url to networksolutions? they sell domains? |
| 18:53.59 | Tupone | CBG: can I have your domain name, to follow with dig |
| 18:54.08 | CBG | dig? |
| 18:54.16 | Tupone | dig is a program |
| 18:54.24 | menotume | according to domainsite's main page, yuo have 'complete DNS tools' |
| 18:54.40 | CBG | I bought the basic domain for like $6... |
| 18:54.47 | CBG | tupone: I dont have a domain ready... |
| 18:55.01 | menotume | well then, you get what you pay for :) |
| 18:55.18 | CBG | tupone: I have oone domain that has a CPanel )but I cant edit the nameservers fo it) and one that I can edit the namservers for but has no CPanel |
| 18:55.20 | Tupone | so what you have edited, or tried to, with cpanel? |
| 18:55.42 | *** join/#bzflag bz4995 (~55b22d2b@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:55.43 | CBG | Meno: I wouldnt be using any of my current domains for this, I would get a new bx-related one |
| 18:56.08 | CBG | Tupone: I set up a dubdomain and redirected it to my IP address |
| 18:56.33 | CBG | Didn't work... |
| 18:56.59 | Tupone | what is the subdomainname that you use? |
| 18:57.23 | Tupone | I need the name to help |
| 18:57.33 | CBG | server.kaziaz.com |
| 18:57.36 | CBG | :) |
| 18:57.38 | Tupone | ok |
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| 19:11.02 | Sixpack | hi all |
| 19:11.14 | Sixpack | i've compiled bzflag and did a make install |
| 19:11.22 | Sixpack | but i get an error when running |
| 19:11.25 | Sixpack | andrew@thundercat:~/Desktop/bzflag-2.0.2.20050318 $ bzflagX Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 135 (XFree86-VidModeExtension) Minor opcode of failed request: 10 (XF86VidModeSwitchToMode) Value in failed request: 0x49 Serial number of failed request: 122 Current serial number in output stream: 124 |
| 19:11.49 | Sixpack | i'm using xorg as my x server if that makes any difference |
| 19:13.55 | BearPerson | sounds to me as if bzflag is trying to get a resolution that X doesn't like |
| 19:15.34 | Tupone | Sixpack: are you using SDL ? |
| 19:15.38 | Sixpack | yes |
| 19:16.12 | Tupone | can you try to move out ~/.bzf/ and try again |
| 19:16.28 | Sixpack | i've got an excerpt from the configure script |
| 19:16.30 | Sixpack | checking for XextAddDisplay in -lXext... yeschecking for XF86VidModeGetAllModeLines in -lXxf86vm... nochecking for XListInputDevices in -lXi... yeschecking for working ncurses... yeschecking for SDL framework... nochecking for sdl-config... /usr/bin/sdl-configchecking for SDL - version >= 1.2.5... yes |
| 19:17.26 | Tupone | I was wondering if you have a strange resolution on your ~/.bzf config file |
| 19:17.30 | BearPerson | Sixpack, do "mv ~/.bzf ~/.bzfold" |
| 19:17.48 | BearPerson | and try again |
| 19:18.51 | Sixpack | ok i've renamed it but same error |
| 19:19.25 | BearPerson | what's your current X resolution? |
| 19:19.50 | Sixpack | 1280 x 1024 |
| 19:19.53 | trepan | try: bzflag -window |
| 19:20.13 | BearPerson | right |
| 19:20.18 | trepan | if that works, try picking a resolution within bzflag |
| 19:20.42 | BearPerson | I'd guess 1280x1024 is the only resolution you've let your X use |
| 19:20.59 | BearPerson | and bzflag's highest is 1280x960 |
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| 19:21.46 | Sixpack | well bzflag 1.10 works like a charm when i apt-get it from ubuntu |
| 19:21.48 | BearPerson | you may have to modify your X config and add other resolutions to the "screen" section or something |
| 19:21.56 | trepan | BearPerson: where is that max res defined? |
| 19:22.16 | BearPerson | I haven't seen more while in bzflag, that's why I think so |
| 19:22.55 | Sixpack | bzflag -window works, but very slowly and looks like its using software rendering |
| 19:23.09 | Sixpack | server kicked me out due to lag |
| 19:23.42 | trepan | what does 'options -> display -> change video format' show you? |
| 19:23.56 | trepan | and what is your GL render line? |
| 19:24.17 | trepan | (dark blue text in the console) |
| 19:28.47 | Sixpack | Mesa DRI Radeon 2004xxxx AGP MMX/SSE |
| 19:29.00 | Sixpack | Display gives me a big list of resolutions |
| 19:29.34 | trepan | try one |
| 19:30.02 | Sixpack | 1280 x 1024 works |
| 19:30.10 | Sixpack | but very slowly |
| 19:30.32 | trepan | turn 'display -> depth buffer' on if it isn't |
| 19:31.00 | trepan | also, turn off 'display -> smoothing' |
| 19:31.32 | jpa- | menotume: can't you stay for five minutes so that i could say "hi menotume"?:) |
| 19:32.02 | menotume | heh - went to wrong server :) |
| 19:32.07 | jpa- | :/ |
| 19:32.47 | menotume | well, where are you now ? |
| 19:33.02 | jpa- | uh, still admining my own server :) |
| 19:33.23 | jpa- | just sitting there not playing :P |
| 19:33.30 | BearPerson | which one is it? |
| 19:33.46 | jpa- | the one that says [100M, Finland] |
| 19:33.47 | Mr_Molez | ur using the dri driver ? |
| 19:33.47 | BearPerson | the "variation on viper.pimpi" one? |
| 19:34.06 | jpa- | uh, no |
| 19:34.21 | jpa- | sniper running currently |
| 19:34.36 | jpa- | maybe i'll go play.. :) |
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| 19:37.26 | redsoxfan90 | brad |
| 19:37.28 | Sixpack | i must be compiling it wrong |
| 19:37.35 | Sixpack | i might not have all the right dev libraries |
| 19:37.47 | Sixpack | Mr Mole im' usreing the DRI "radeon" driver |
| 19:39.06 | Tupone | glxinfo -t << pastebin the output of that |
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| 19:41.56 | Sixpack | andrew@thundercat:~ $ glxinfo -tname of display: :0.0display: :0 screen: 0direct rendering: Yesserver glx vendor string: SGIserver glx version string: 1.2server glx extensions: GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfigclient glx vendor string: SGIclient glx version string: 1.4 |
| 19:42.23 | Sixpack | OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Radeon 20040929 AGP 4x x86/MMX/SSE TCLOpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 6.2.1 |
| 19:42.26 | Tupone | ~pastebin |
| 19:42.27 | ibot | i heard pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca |
| 19:43.38 | Sixpack | http://pastebin.ca/9617 |
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| 19:49.18 | Tupone | that seems good. How many fps you get windowed? |
| 19:49.32 | CBG | I am getting this error with my map: base was not defined for Red Team |
| 19:49.48 | CBG | I have put this: |
| 19:49.49 | CBG | base |
| 19:49.50 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.50 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.50 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.53 | CBG | end |
| 19:50.00 | CBG | Do I need to do anything else to define the base? |
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| 19:51.06 | Tupone | CBG: have you tried with -d -d -d |
| 19:51.09 | Tupone | no other error |
| 19:51.27 | spldart | Oh goody.... I was thinking of making a ctf map this weekend and hosting it for 3v3 play.. This should be interesting :) |
| 19:51.47 | CBG | Tupone: I always get other errors :( |
| 19:51.54 | Tupone | hehe |
| 19:52.26 | Tupone | however, not so familiar with bz-world :/ |
| 19:53.04 | CBG | Here : http://pastebin.ca/9619 :P |
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| 19:54.42 | Tupone | CBG: it is skipping a lot of line from your map |
| 19:54.49 | Tupone | fix the error |
| 19:54.55 | CBG | How? |
| 19:55.02 | CBG | I dont think anything is wrong :( |
| 19:55.11 | CBG | I used the man page... |
| 19:55.33 | Tupone | start with line 1 |
| 19:55.45 | Tupone | {\rtf1\mac\ansicpg10000\cocoartf102" |
| 19:55.48 | CBG | This is the map: http://pastebin.ca/9620 |
| 19:55.52 | DTRemenak | you've got an rtf file, not a text file |
| 19:55.57 | CBG | wtf does that mean? |
| 19:56.03 | CBG | huh? |
| 19:56.12 | CBG | what file? |
| 19:56.13 | DTRemenak | when you save it, you need to save it as a Plain Text file |
| 19:56.17 | DTRemenak | your map |
| 19:56.19 | CBG | the map is a .bzw |
| 19:56.19 | DTRemenak | is not text |
| 19:56.24 | DTRemenak | no, it's not :) |
| 19:56.32 | CBG | it bloody well is |
| 19:56.39 | CBG | it ends in .bzw |
| 19:56.53 | DTRemenak | the filename doesn't matter, it's what's inside that matters |
| 19:57.07 | Tupone | open a terminal and "cat map.bzw" |
| 19:57.33 | CBG | DTRemenak: ok. changed it to plain text |
| 19:57.41 | Tupone | hehe, ok |
| 19:57.42 | CBG | Tupone: what? why? |
| 19:57.48 | Tupone | nothing now |
| 19:57.57 | Tupone | rerun bzfs |
| 19:58.14 | DTRemenak | CBG: that would have shown you all the rtf formatting junk that your text editor had put in there...he was still trying to prove to you that it wasn't text :) |
| 19:58.18 | CBG | rerun bz? |
| 19:58.22 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 19:58.26 | CBG | om :) |
| 19:58.29 | CBG | n*ok |
| 19:58.52 | CBG | still dont work :( |
| 19:59.05 | DTRemenak | same output or different? |
| 19:59.10 | CBG | one sec |
| 19:59.30 | CBG | http://pastebin.ca/9621 |
| 19:59.42 | CBG | only error is not defining blue base |
| 20:00.06 | CBG | Wow. Thanks :D lol |
| 20:00.38 | DTRemenak | yeah, you only have two bases defined |
| 20:00.49 | CBG | so? |
| 20:00.56 | DTRemenak | either you need a -mp option to disable the other colored teams, or you need two more bases |
| 20:01.04 | CBG | ok :) |
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| 20:03.29 | CBG | I put 4 bases on the map: http://pastebin.ca/9622 |
| 20:03.35 | cosmos | http://www.ugo.com/channels/freestyle/features/celebritypranks/default.asp |
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| 20:03.39 | CBG | but still it says:http://pastebin.ca/9622 |
| 20:04.23 | CBG | ahh |
| 20:04.36 | CBG | no it says: base was not defined for Green Team |
| 20:04.46 | CBG | :) |
| 20:05.02 | DTRemenak | is color 1-based or 0-based? |
| 20:05.40 | CBG | I thought 1 based |
| 20:05.47 | CBG | Il try colors 0 - 3 |
| 20:05.55 | Chestal | someone here can build a windows bnary from current CVS? |
| 20:06.02 | DTRemenak | Chestal: it works |
| 20:06.24 | Chestal | eh, what works? |
| 20:06.29 | DTRemenak | windows binary |
| 20:06.33 | DTRemenak | from current cvs |
| 20:06.35 | CBG | DTRemenak: now says : base was not defined for Red Team |
| 20:07.30 | jpa- | argh! idiot! |
| 20:07.32 | jpa- | sorry |
| 20:07.39 | CBG | who? why? |
| 20:10.09 | jpa- | you have no base with color 2 |
| 20:10.14 | jpa- | so no green team base |
| 20:10.16 | CBG | really? |
| 20:10.28 | jpa- | yes |
| 20:10.34 | jpa- | it reads "box" not "base" |
| 20:10.41 | CBG | oh god. |
| 20:10.43 | CBG | Im a dunce |
| 20:10.47 | CBG | thanks. :) |
| 20:11.06 | jpa- | np |
| 20:11.12 | jpa- | i like to prove people stupid |
| 20:12.01 | CBG | Works great now. :D |
| 20:12.13 | jpa- | how surprising :) |
| 20:13.11 | CBG | Yeah! </sarcasm> |
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| 20:25.04 | menotume | jpa-: thanks fo the privs |
| 20:25.11 | menotume | now, to just learn the map :) |
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| 20:33.16 | Bagheera | brlcad< http://www.addictinggames.com/kittencannon.html |
| 20:37.31 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:37.37 | brlcad | i like the explosives |
| 20:37.46 | brlcad | "omfg tnt tnt lol" |
| 20:38.00 | Bagheera | not for cat lovers |
| 20:42.38 | orange | what's good? I got 979 ft |
| 20:42.40 | JeffM2501 | is that a genre of flash games now? |
| 20:43.15 | Bagheera | orange< i cant get over 600, so i suspect that is good |
| 20:44.09 | Bagheera | man, didnt know you could move the canon |
| 20:44.28 | Bagheera | ok, 1,057 |
| 20:44.36 | orange | me either! |
| 20:47.32 | orange | 1090, it's mostly luck |
| 20:47.39 | jpa- | menotume: note, it is a rotation :) |
| 20:47.47 | jpa- | menotume: it just changed completely :) |
| 20:47.52 | menotume | ahhh, okies |
| 20:48.36 | menotume | ~jpa-++ <3 |
| 20:48.50 | menotume | :D |
| 20:48.53 | jpa- | <3<3 |
| 20:48.59 | brlcad | mm.. 1219 |
| 20:49.00 | jpa- | ~menotume++ |
| 20:49.24 | brlcad | dang scores won't load |
| 20:49.26 | jpa- | my best has been 1118ft |
| 20:50.01 | brlcad | trick seems to be to hit an explosive one early and twice in a row ;) |
| 20:51.06 | spldart | 909 feet |
| 20:51.47 | orange | heheh 1252 ending on spikes :-) |
| 20:52.19 | orange | the high scores on these games never ever work for me... ever. |
| 21:05.00 | DTRemenak | 1410 ft :) |
| 21:05.14 | orange | boohoo :-) |
| 21:05.30 | bryjen | 1443 |
| 21:05.33 | DTRemenak | aww |
| 21:05.43 | orange | it's nondeterministic, which sucks |
| 21:06.08 | spldart | My wife hit 1443 too |
| 21:06.20 | bryjen | low angles for velocity-across-the-ground, and plently of lucky explosions to keep 'em bouncing ;) |
| 21:06.30 | orange | mine was at 27.5 |
| 21:06.37 | orange | but I couldn't repeat it, or even come close |
| 21:07.29 | brlcad | mine was low angled too |
| 21:07.42 | brlcad | 10 degree got me over 1000 several times |
| 21:07.43 | bryjen | watching it fall in from heights directly into a fly-trap is neat |
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| 21:11.01 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 21:11.06 | DTRemenak | 2195 ft :) |
| 21:11.19 | DTRemenak | three explosives in a row right off the start line :) |
| 21:12.23 | brlcad | nice |
| 21:12.25 | spldart | sweet |
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| 21:12.56 | brlcad | do the scores work for you? :) |
| 21:13.13 | DTRemenak | no :( |
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| 21:13.37 | DTRemenak | but I did take a screenshot for posterity :) |
| 21:13.43 | brlcad | hehe |
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| 21:30.04 | brlcad | stay on Teppic please |
| 21:30.43 | brlcad | pun intended |
| 21:30.52 | purple_cow | boo |
| 21:30.57 | spldart | cyahs later. goin home |
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| 21:59.45 | uso_w | does bzflag have any internal time granularity? or how often is a position update send to the server? every frame? |
| 22:00.50 | DTRemenak | iirc, every frame the position is checked to see if it has changed by a large enough value to send an update, and if it has, it does |
| 22:01.58 | uso_w | so not time but position has a granularity? anglular direction also? |
| 22:02.14 | Tupone | yeah, angular too, and speed to |
| 22:02.27 | Tupone | not sure about speed |
| 22:02.55 | Tupone | there is also a message that is sent periodically, even if tank is stopped |
| 22:03.01 | uso_w | so if i play with 100fps i do not send more updates to the server as someone playing with 10 fps? |
| 22:03.40 | Tupone | well, say 100 send same info as 90 |
| 22:03.47 | uso_w | ok :) |
| 22:03.57 | uso_w | 10 is a bit low |
| 22:06.39 | uso_w | but the client itself recalculates position for each frame (for display)? |
| 22:06.45 | Tupone | yeah |
| 22:07.57 | Tupone | it uses a dead reckonin algorithm |
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| 22:10.22 | uso_w | for "collision detection" with shots? |
| 22:10.43 | BenUrban | i would certainly hope it recalculates the position each frame' |
| 22:10.47 | Tupone | algorithm is used to get the position of any remote tank |
| 22:10.52 | uso_w | are shots submitted as position data or as shoot vectors? |
| 22:11.15 | uso_w | BenUrban: :) |
| 22:11.16 | Tupone | series of lines |
| 22:11.31 | Tupone | for some, not for SW |
| 22:11.34 | Tupone | and G<M |
| 22:11.52 | uso_w | yeah |
| 22:12.56 | blast007 | the shot is just sent to the server as a "fireshot" message, which contains the initial position, speed, etc |
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| 22:13.22 | uso_w | blast007: that's what i meant with vector |
| 22:14.05 | blast007 | for GM there is also updates that are sent for it |
| 22:15.22 | uso_w | i.e. client determines trajectory of a gm? |
| 22:15.39 | Tupone | yeah, sending client |
| 22:16.03 | uso_w | oh oh :) |
| 22:21.54 | uso_w | mouse box position is directly mapped to tank velocity (linear and angular), not to an acceleration? |
| 22:25.10 | Chestal | yes |
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| 23:09.22 | spldart | I've been thinking. The LouMan Timetrials map i'm hosting seems to attract alot of kiddies and not alot of really good gameplay.... |
| 23:09.36 | spldart | That and I'm really starting to enjoy capture the flag... |
| 23:10.51 | spldart | I'm considering running two bzfs s on my new server. One would be intranet and be for all my kids and myself to be silly on. And the other would be a 3 on 3 CTF of my making and public. |
| 23:11.06 | wegstar | o |
| 23:11.25 | spldart | The intranet would continue to be time trials |
| 23:12.00 | spldart | Obviously 2 team would be the order of the day considering my bandwidth on the public map. |
| 23:13.11 | spldart | I was thinking of making a map from scratch. Mostly in bzedit compatible objects with a few complex texture/meshes thrown in by hand for decoration. |
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| 23:13.42 | spldart | Any ideas what I could do to my particular CTF that would stand it out and make it unique from the others? |
| 23:15.50 | Tupone | a soccer field :) |
| 23:16.00 | wegstar | a battlefield |
| 23:16.03 | spldart | I was thinking of having each base in some sort of simple castle on each side. They would have 4 possible points of entry to prevent a team from just standing guard and not allowing any score |
| 23:16.13 | spldart | Soccerfield? |
| 23:16.31 | wegstar | I was thinking of a very large map in which both teams may take an hour to get to the other side's flag |
| 23:16.40 | wegstar | there will be obstacles.. |
| 23:16.44 | spldart | Battlfield is being considered. I was thinming of making a monument in the middle of the map with 4 of LouMan's tanks facing the four compass positions |
| 23:16.54 | spldart | Wow |
| 23:17.15 | wegstar | It will depend on communication.. |
| 23:17.16 | spldart | That might be more intricate than I was thinking :eek: |
| 23:17.19 | wegstar | :) |
| 23:17.30 | spldart | But I will consider that |
| 23:17.36 | wegstar | and organization is the key :) |
| 23:17.50 | spldart | How would a soccerfield be incorporated Tupone? |
| 23:18.04 | spldart | Wait.... |
| 23:18.09 | spldart | An Air hockey table |
| 23:18.23 | spldart | If I can figure a way to make momentum always a problem |
| 23:18.28 | spldart | It would seem real |
| 23:18.34 | wegstar | low friction :) |
| 23:18.38 | spldart | Yeah |
| 23:18.47 | spldart | I'm liking this thought.... |
| 23:19.05 | Tupone | spldart: you have some of your server with dl texture? |
| 23:19.12 | spldart | I can't define a rectangle map though right? I would have to wall it rectangular |
| 23:19.26 | wegstar | yeah.. I thought about this for the battlefield |
| 23:19.29 | spldart | ? dl texture? |
| 23:19.35 | Tupone | downloadable |
| 23:19.40 | Tupone | images |
| 23:19.42 | spldart | I'm not currently supporting downloaded textures |
| 23:19.42 | wegstar | so make it a rectangle by sticking boxes.. |
| 23:19.48 | wegstar | o |
| 23:19.52 | spldart | I can host my own images though |
| 23:20.02 | Tupone | ok, I thought you had |
| 23:20.02 | spldart | Yeah.. I was thinking just that wegstar |
| 23:20.25 | spldart | I guess I could have my world point to my apache2 for images |
| 23:20.36 | spldart | but that is a bit past my map making abilities |
| 23:20.49 | wegstar | to block some places.. then the map would have to be BIG... |
| 23:21.00 | wegstar | argh!.. bad lag. |
| 23:21.18 | spldart | I don't want a map bigger than the current.. Whick I think is 800 |
| 23:21.25 | wegstar | O_o |
| 23:21.47 | spldart | waiit |
| 23:21.49 | spldart | 500 |
| 23:21.53 | spldart | my mnap is 500 |
| 23:22.13 | wegstar | :) |
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| 23:23.39 | spldart | on the phone |
| 23:27.15 | spldart | wait... current map is 176K Just so you know... the worldsize is 500 |
| 23:27.36 | spldart | Just realized that might be misunderstood |
| 23:28.11 | spldart | I would like to drop the worldsize down quite a bit cuz the bandwidth is heavy doing 176K for every join and the playing bandwidth |
| 23:28.27 | spldart | worldsize this time = filesize :( |
| 23:28.51 | spldart | Dude.. I'm really liking the air hockey table idea |
| 23:29.00 | spldart | Each scoring pocket would have a base inside :D |
| 23:29.28 | spldart | Is it possible to project a png to the ground to give it the right appearance? |
| 23:30.56 | wegstar | I'm not sure..., but most likely not |
| 23:31.16 | DTRemenak | just cover the ground with a mesh face and texture that |
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| 23:39.18 | spldart | That might be a bit past my level of map making |
| 23:39.27 | spldart | wait.. DTR is offline |
| 23:40.06 | spldart | This idea is really starting to get me psyched :) |
| 23:40.33 | spldart | But I'll definitely need help with some of it |
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| 23:41.44 | me1 | hello |
| 23:42.38 | spldart | hello |
| 23:43.37 | spldart | I think I'll put a air goalie on the map before each pocket and a puck in the center. Purely for decoration ;) |
| 23:44.00 | spldart | I'm off to open bzedit |
| 23:44.50 | spldart | BTW my eldest daughter thought this is a great idea :) |
| 23:46.15 | *** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@128.138.74.40) |
| 23:47.30 | me1 | hi |
| 23:48.11 | *** join/#bzflag gvdm (~gvdm@210-246-12-235.paradise.net.nz) |
| 23:48.15 | me1 | 11hi |
| 23:48.58 | spldart | Ah. Now that is a irritation color :( |
| 23:49.00 | Tupone | spldart: you know your world can be served by http |
| 23:49.01 | me1 | 11h03i03m02y01n00a08m06e04i05s15m10e131 |
| 23:49.23 | spldart | Really? |
| 23:49.46 | spldart | So I could place it on some website and use their bandwith. My bzfs just calls it when somebody logs onto my server? |
| 23:50.03 | Tupone | yeah |
| 23:50.10 | spldart | hrm |
| 23:50.14 | spldart | something to consider |
| 23:50.14 | Tupone | a compressed world in the cache format |
| 23:50.40 | Tupone | look at cacheout option of bzfs |
| 23:50.52 | Tupone | and cache |
| 23:51.12 | spldart | Where would I look?... for more info on doing this? |
| 23:52.02 | Tupone | ./bzfs -help :) |
| 23:52.13 | Tupone | -cache: url to get binary formatted world, |
| 23:52.21 | Tupone | -cacheout: generate a binary cache file |
| 23:52.33 | spldart | woohoo... Just had an idea for a secret passage in thsi new map |
| 23:52.48 | spldart | sweet |
| 23:53.05 | Tupone | man bzfs |
| 23:53.16 | spldart | I don't have webspace purchased though.. That's kinda why I wanted apache.. To host anything I want instantly on my bandwidth |
| 23:53.21 | spldart | But I'll look into that |
| 23:53.36 | Tupone | you can put whatever you want, don't need a domain |
| 23:53.45 | spldart | yeah... |
| 23:53.57 | spldart | I'm so stoked :-D |
| 23:54.10 | spldart | Of course that could just be the beer ;) |
| 23:54.11 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:54.22 | Tupone | I thought about hosting where list-server is. At least the most popular map |
| 23:55.27 | spldart | It's to bad bzclient isn't set to store a temp of every map you play on... And just check when you rejoin a particular server that the map in cache is the same as it was when you last played. Avoiding bandwidth consumption. |
| 23:55.52 | Tupone | cache is for that |
| 23:55.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: unused variable |
| 23:56.04 | *** join/#bzflag SynTox (~55b23606@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:56.15 | spldart | My client always re-downloads every map at join :( |
| 23:56.26 | Tupone | rotating map ? |
| 23:56.39 | spldart | ? |
| 23:57.03 | Tupone | some have random map, and some have map that changes every hour or so |
| 23:57.17 | spldart | Each time I got to secretplace, hepcat or my own I download :( |
| 23:57.25 | spldart | IC.. |
| 23:57.40 | spldart | I personally am going to run two instances of bzfs with two maps |
| 23:57.45 | spldart | one intra and one inter net |
| 23:58.23 | me1 | 00h01i02m03y04n05a06m07i08s09m10e111 |
| 23:59.21 | me1 | 00h01i 02m03y 04n05a06m07e 08i09s 10m11e111 |
| 23:59.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (CacheMenu.cxx Downloads.cxx Downloads.h playing.cxx): cURL handle both initial and on request download of texture |
| 23:59.50 | me1 | hihi |
