| 00:03.10 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/internet/irc/listbot/src/listbot.cpp: |
| 00:03.10 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: add server uID and version string |
| 00:03.10 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: prevent bot from answering itself |
| 00:03.10 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: add support for client and query server list lookup |
| 00:04.01 | spldart | BTW I like the new BZEdit DTR. |
| 00:04.19 | DTRemenak | spldart: it's not exactly new. just improved. |
| 00:04.50 | DTRemenak | I don't even really know why I'm working on it. I think I'm avoiding studying. |
| 00:04.50 | spldart | Sorry, that's what I meant. The improvments are nice. |
| 00:04.57 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:05.16 | spldart | The old version gave me.... Bad symptoms |
| 00:05.17 | spldart | hehehe |
| 00:05.29 | DTRemenak | like...constant crashes |
| 00:05.46 | spldart | Actually i was going to say something not very nice and kinda foul but yeah |
| 00:06.20 | spldart | In fact I'm getting ready to put 1.6.4 to use in enhancing my time trials map. |
| 00:06.26 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/common/ (VC71/common.vcproj inc/version.h src/version.cpp): add versioning |
| 00:06.38 | DTRemenak | hmm, doesn't time trials use new objects? |
| 00:07.15 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/common/src/listServer.cpp: send server version when updating info |
| 00:08.07 | spldart | yeah... |
| 00:08.25 | spldart | I made a new map with just the stuff I added up high for some aerial fighting fun |
| 00:08.30 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/server/src/server.cpp: don't take 100% cpu when running |
| 00:08.31 | spldart | using 1.6.2 |
| 00:08.39 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 00:08.54 | spldart | Then I cut the stuff out with notepad and added them into the timetrials map at an appropriate place |
| 00:09.01 | spldart | and noted them for easy reference |
| 00:09.06 | spldart | I'm changing it some mroe |
| 00:09.22 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (lan56@h-68-165-21-142.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 00:09.57 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-011-232.arcor-ip.net) |
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| 00:17.13 | spldart | I want to join some platform boxes with some walkway boxes. I assume it doesn't matter if one box overlaps the other to some degree.. In the map they appear as joined. |
| 00:20.03 | DTRemenak | if they overlap you'll get zfighting. no big problems, but it's annoying. |
| 00:20.17 | spldart | zfighting? |
| 00:20.33 | DTRemenak | the textures are aligned differently, and at the same z, so they flicker |
| 00:20.40 | spldart | Oh |
| 00:20.41 | spldart | Ok... |
| 00:20.45 | spldart | I don't want that....... |
| 00:20.45 | DTRemenak | gl can't decide which to draw |
| 00:20.53 | DTRemenak | lots and lots of maps do that |
| 00:23.16 | spldart | Still, I'm going to go ahead and try to avoid any overlaps and get it dead on. |
| 00:23.56 | DTRemenak | that makes the maps look their best |
| 00:24.04 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzeditw32/BZEdit32/ (objects.cpp objects.h): instead of just skipping options, world, dynamiccolor, texturematrix, and material blocks, store them and write them back out to the map when saving |
| 00:24.51 | DTRemenak | if you have objects coming together at an angle, parts will have to overlap, and you'll end up with zfighting unless you merge them into a single mesh |
| 00:26.29 | orchid | JeffM2501: you were right, I didnt even need to alter the driver for the new card |
| 00:27.24 | spldart | I'm butting up essentially just boxes in air |
| 00:27.37 | spldart | touching with no overlap. |
| 00:28.40 | spldart | oooOOOooo... A map.... With a motife and patter after the movie "Andromeda Strain" :~D |
| 00:28.49 | spldart | pattern |
| 00:36.18 | spldart | I know I've asked this before and I have gotten conflicting answers.... -requireudp yes or no ? |
| 00:36.45 | DTRemenak | spldart: it doesn't actually change anything anymore, iirc |
| 00:39.32 | spldart | oh |
| 00:39.49 | spldart | I'm happy. I like my new little mod to the stuff up high |
| 00:40.31 | JeffM2501 | orchid, cool |
| 00:40.43 | JeffM2501 | and people wonder why I like nVidia :) |
| 00:41.02 | orchid | holy fps, 430 on bzflag now |
| 00:42.14 | orchid | whats Fast Writes? cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status says they are disabled |
| 00:43.47 | JeffM2501 | depending on your bios it may or may not work |
| 00:43.53 | JeffM2501 | you can try it |
| 00:43.56 | JeffM2501 | if stuff crashes |
| 00:43.58 | JeffM2501 | turn it off |
| 00:44.02 | orchid | hrm |
| 00:44.09 | JeffM2501 | it can be faster |
| 00:44.17 | orchid | ah |
| 00:44.20 | JeffM2501 | but not by a HUGE factor |
| 00:44.39 | orchid | so safe to say not worth the hassle maybe? |
| 00:44.58 | JeffM2501 | depends on how technogeeky you want to be :) |
| 00:45.04 | orchid | heh |
| 00:45.34 | orchid | btw, when I took the old card out, I noticed it already has a DVI port :P |
| 00:45.41 | JeffM2501 | ohh no |
| 00:46.04 | orchid | well its ok, I can put the old card in my winxp comp I guess |
| 00:46.37 | orchid | whats so smart about the ipod? |
| 00:46.53 | JeffM2501 | when you unplug the headphones, and it's playing, it will automaticly pause |
| 00:47.10 | orchid | heh, that is smart |
| 00:47.58 | JeffM2501 | I also found out how to use it as a flash drive |
| 00:54.29 | *** join/#bzflag bz5715 (~c65c6636@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 00:54.45 | bz5715 | hello |
| 00:54.54 | orchid | hello |
| 00:55.04 | bz5715 | does anyone here know how to register my callsign? |
| 00:55.22 | JeffM2501 | it dopends |
| 00:55.36 | bz5715 | do I have to do it for each server, or is it global? |
| 00:55.38 | JeffM2501 | if the server does global registration then you go to http:my.bzflag.org/bb/ and make an account. |
| 00:55.46 | bz5715 | ah, ok, thank you! |
| 00:55.49 | JeffM2501 | if the server dosn't do global, then you do it per server. |
| 00:56.35 | bz5715 | is the registration system of the BB somehow integrated with that of BZFlag itself? |
| 00:56.45 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:56.50 | bz5715 | ah |
| 00:57.08 | JeffM2501 | the game uses the bb user database |
| 00:57.16 | JeffM2501 | makes for a clean interface for user management |
| 00:58.22 | bz5715 | thank you jeff |
| 00:58.22 | bz5715 | bye |
| 00:59.08 | spldart | Speaking of logins.... |
| 00:59.29 | spldart | How would I go about logging in automatically as an admin of my place? |
| 01:00.15 | JeffM2501 | add your global user to the addmin group |
| 01:00.36 | JeffM2501 | in your users file |
| 01:01.05 | spldart | Sorry for the noob question but where may I find that file? |
| 01:01.52 | JeffM2501 | you would have made it |
| 01:02.00 | JeffM2501 | then pased it's name to the server with -userdb |
| 01:02.02 | *** join/#bzflag blast007_away (~blast@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 01:02.09 | spldart | oh |
| 01:02.32 | spldart | thank. I'll look into that. |
| 01:02.37 | JeffM2501 | other option is to get a group on bzbb |
| 01:02.44 | JeffM2501 | add it to your groups file and give it the admin perms |
| 01:02.57 | JeffM2501 | then anyone in that group is admin on your server |
| 01:03.12 | spldart | thus allowing several peeps to police my site |
| 01:03.17 | spldart | server |
| 01:03.21 | JeffM2501 | if you wish yeah |
| 01:03.32 | JeffM2501 | you can add anyone you want to that group |
| 01:03.45 | JeffM2501 | and have a nice web interface for controlling it |
| 01:15.39 | spldart | OK |
| 01:15.46 | spldart | Added -userdb |
| 01:15.57 | spldart | with users.txt after it |
| 01:16.18 | spldart | and created a blank file in the same directory as .conf |
| 01:16.23 | spldart | called users.txt |
| 01:16.23 | JeffM2501 | ok then join your server with your global username and password |
| 01:16.25 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:16.33 | JeffM2501 | you should auth |
| 01:16.48 | JeffM2501 | and it should add you to the user.txt |
| 01:16.49 | spldart | should I leave the newly created users.txt file blank |
| 01:16.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:17.03 | spldart | Ok.. Gotta restart server |
| 01:17.03 | JeffM2501 | bzfs will fill it in |
| 01:17.22 | JeffM2501 | then just add the admin group to your username |
| 01:17.32 | JeffM2501 | then your global auth, local admin |
| 01:20.22 | spldart | hrm |
| 01:20.27 | spldart | restarted server |
| 01:20.30 | spldart | bzfs |
| 01:20.54 | spldart | joined, then entered the /password xxxxxx and became an admin |
| 01:21.05 | JeffM2501 | now login with bzflag, but use your bb username and password |
| 01:21.20 | spldart | how? |
| 01:21.28 | JeffM2501 | in bzflag |
| 01:21.31 | JeffM2501 | there is a username |
| 01:21.34 | JeffM2501 | and password field |
| 01:21.35 | JeffM2501 | put them in |
| 01:21.42 | spldart | OOOOH |
| 01:21.44 | JeffM2501 | then login |
| 01:21.46 | JeffM2501 | to your server |
| 01:21.50 | JeffM2501 | that will make you a local entry |
| 01:22.42 | spldart | ok |
| 01:22.50 | spldart | I got global login approved |
| 01:22.53 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 01:22.57 | JeffM2501 | now logout |
| 01:23.00 | spldart | k |
| 01:23.01 | JeffM2501 | open your text file |
| 01:23.01 | spldart | but |
| 01:23.04 | JeffM2501 | it should have you in it |
| 01:23.08 | spldart | do I log in as an admin yet |
| 01:23.12 | JeffM2501 | not yet |
| 01:23.19 | JeffM2501 | your allmost tehre :) |
| 01:23.25 | JeffM2501 | open the text file |
| 01:23.35 | JeffM2501 | you have to tell the game that that user is an authorised admin |
| 01:23.40 | JeffM2501 | by adding it to the ADMIN group |
| 01:23.56 | JeffM2501 | what is in your users file now? |
| 01:24.05 | *** join/#bzflag sommertimer3 (xUpK8mOu@pool-70-23-206-155.ny325.east.verizon.net) |
| 01:24.23 | spldart | ok... I logout, the text file doesn't have anything in it still... |
| 01:24.32 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 01:24.32 | spldart | let me check for typo's in my -commands |
| 01:24.33 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 01:25.36 | *** join/#bzflag bz0441 (~3fe2c4ac@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 01:26.07 | spldart | should the command be -userdb users.txt or -userdb "users.txt" |
| 01:26.13 | JeffM2501 | don't think it maters |
| 01:29.59 | spldart | Hrm.. No typos... The file is remaining blank. Does this function have any dependencies? Other -commands that must be in play? |
| 01:30.17 | spldart | I know /identify is not in use |
| 01:30.30 | JeffM2501 | it shouldnt |
| 01:30.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah you can't /identify unless you have a passwords file |
| 01:30.43 | spldart | passdb is not on |
| 01:30.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:30.56 | JeffM2501 | global auth servers don't need passdbs |
| 01:31.00 | spldart | ic |
| 01:31.10 | JeffM2501 | since they use the bb for passwords |
| 01:31.19 | JeffM2501 | I'd ask DTRemenak he was the last one to change stuff in that space |
| 01:31.27 | JeffM2501 | it's been a while since I wrote it |
| 01:31.30 | JeffM2501 | and it's changed a lot |
| 01:33.07 | spldart | okies |
| 01:33.11 | Grumbler | if you burn a data disk on a windows box, can it be read by macOS |
| 01:33.18 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 01:33.50 | spldart | I'll continue going through theads pulled by a search of -userdb on the forum |
| 01:34.04 | Grumbler | so if someone burnt a disk and they stick in there mac, ......is there something special they have to view the contents? |
| 01:34.13 | JeffM2501 | it should show |
| 01:34.26 | Grumbler | ie, they click the cd icon |
| 01:34.33 | JeffM2501 | OSX and even OS9 have read windows disks |
| 01:34.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah the disk shows up on the desktop |
| 01:34.41 | JeffM2501 | click and your done |
| 01:34.49 | Grumbler | ok, thnx |
| 01:35.03 | Grumbler | (family-long-distance-debug) |
| 01:35.08 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:35.13 | JeffM2501 | is it OSX |
| 01:35.18 | JeffM2501 | or system9? |
| 01:35.22 | Grumbler | yes |
| 01:35.25 | Grumbler | emac |
| 01:35.30 | JeffM2501 | system9 may need an extenstion to read em |
| 01:35.39 | JeffM2501 | OSX should do it by default |
| 01:40.46 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/internet/irc/listbot/src/listbot.cpp: return the version when client ask for a server list |
| 01:43.02 | Grumbler | is there some level of idiot proofing with macOS...ie, like windows, hide system files, etc |
| 01:44.26 | JeffM2501 | well yeah |
| 01:44.33 | JeffM2501 | it comes that way be defalt :) |
| 01:44.34 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/internet/irc/listbot/readme: doc the listbot features so that maybe somone can do it in NOT C++ |
| 01:44.40 | JeffM2501 | you have to WORK to get to the real system files |
| 01:44.57 | JeffM2501 | make an admin password and don't tell them it :) |
| 01:45.31 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (lan56@h-68-165-19-101.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 01:45.36 | Grumbler | so the fact that he cant see an autorun file on the disk should not make the disk blank |
| 01:47.01 | JeffM2501 | IIRC windows flags that as hidden |
| 01:47.07 | JeffM2501 | and OSX will probbly hide it too |
| 01:47.12 | JeffM2501 | not that he can use it |
| 01:48.00 | JeffM2501 | OSX dosn't know what do do with autorun |
| 01:48.07 | Grumbler | his instructions were to put the disk in, hit my computer, hit cdrom, and then follow the instructions.....so i am assuming there is an autorun portion he is missing |
| 01:48.14 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:48.20 | JeffM2501 | OSX dosn't have an autorun |
| 01:48.23 | JeffM2501 | is it a mac app? |
| 01:48.40 | Grumbler | no, but its suppose to be a word doc(he has word for mac) |
| 01:48.56 | Grumbler | i think they encrypted the file or something.......not sure |
| 01:49.02 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 01:49.11 | JeffM2501 | you shoudl see all non hiden files on the file system |
| 01:49.14 | JeffM2501 | unless they start with . |
| 01:49.21 | JeffM2501 | since it is 'nixie |
| 01:49.48 | JeffM2501 | and it's not some wacked out cd format |
| 01:49.58 | JeffM2501 | like himat |
| 01:58.13 | *** join/#bzflag gvdm (~gvdm@210-246-8-47.paradise.net.nz) |
| 02:11.11 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 02:11.11 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 02:11.54 | spldart | I NEED a new mouse pad bad! |
| 02:11.59 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:12.23 | spldart | seriously... I'm using a peice of cardboard with the edge bent down to grab the table |
| 02:12.28 | JeffM2501 | why would you need a mouse pad? |
| 02:12.35 | spldart | my old pad ripped in the middel |
| 02:12.37 | spldart | Don't ask :( |
| 02:12.46 | JeffM2501 | why not just the desk? |
| 02:12.46 | spldart | I'm going to compusa tomorrow |
| 02:12.51 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 02:12.54 | JeffM2501 | compusa |
| 02:12.56 | spldart | The wood grain freaks out my optical mouse |
| 02:13.09 | spldart | jumpy and nonlinear as you know what |
| 02:13.12 | DTRemenak | spldart: might I suggest http://www.cafepress.com/bzflag.4909847 ? ;) |
| 02:13.22 | JeffM2501 | must be a cheap mouse |
| 02:13.35 | DTRemenak | my mouse works fine on wood |
| 02:13.40 | JeffM2501 | mine too |
| 02:13.44 | spldart | dunno. got it from newegg |
| 02:13.44 | DTRemenak | I'm running it straight on my desk right now |
| 02:13.47 | spldart | looked fancy |
| 02:13.59 | JeffM2501 | well posibly |
| 02:14.05 | spldart | on the cardboard it works great |
| 02:14.05 | JeffM2501 | if your a compusa shoper |
| 02:14.15 | spldart | but the cardboard keeps scooting around |
| 02:14.16 | spldart | hehe |
| 02:14.24 | DTRemenak | tape it down |
| 02:14.29 | spldart | Normally I get all my stuff from newegg |
| 02:14.53 | spldart | if I did at first then I'd peel it tomorrow and sticky stuff would be on the desk :( |
| 02:14.54 | spldart | heheheh |
| 02:15.20 | spldart | Around here, best to worst, retail : Compusa, Best Buy, Circuit City |
| 02:16.12 | spldart | I'm holding the cardboard with my wrist and pivoting my hand from there to control :( |
| 02:17.15 | spldart | Now that you are here DTR... Jeff said I might ask you this... |
| 02:17.35 | spldart | well... Actually.... scroll up and you will see the convo |
| 02:17.50 | spldart | I'm having problems setting up and making -userdb work |
| 02:18.18 | spldart | oh wait |
| 02:19.19 | spldart | meh, never mind. I'll mess with it later. |
| 02:21.36 | spldart | ok... I borrowed the kids mouse pad |
| 02:25.53 | spldart | I always wondered.... Why I suck playing on the ground (started playing bzflag a month ago) but I do alright in the air |
| 02:31.02 | DTRemenak | spldart: actually JeffM2501 was the last person to change stuff in that code, so I'll cop out with the same excuse he used ;) |
| 02:31.34 | DTRemenak | spldart: but make sure you added yourself to LOCAL.ADMIN not just ADMIN |
| 02:31.50 | DTRemenak | ADMIN is meaningless in 2.0 |
| 02:32.15 | DTRemenak | spldart: and the reason you suck playing on the ground is that you don't have enough practice doing so |
| 02:32.22 | DTRemenak | play ducati style for a while, you'll get better |
| 02:32.55 | JeffM2501 | I did no such thing |
| 02:32.58 | JeffM2501 | orchid was :) |
| 02:33.38 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 02:35.17 | JeffM2501 | I haven't touched that stuff in ages |
| 02:35.20 | JeffM2501 | have I? |
| 02:37.09 | DTRemenak | yeah, just before the 2.0 release |
| 02:37.26 | DTRemenak | turning off features based on which files were present |
| 02:37.30 | JeffM2501 | Didn't I storm out right before |
| 02:37.37 | JeffM2501 | Tim changed all that |
| 02:37.38 | DTRemenak | no, after that |
| 02:37.47 | DTRemenak | you wrote the patch, tim committed it |
| 02:37.50 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 02:38.06 | JeffM2501 | well that just undid /identify if there was no passwords |
| 02:38.19 | DTRemenak | seemed like it was more complicated than that to me |
| 02:38.24 | DTRemenak | maybe he added something to it |
| 02:38.57 | DTRemenak | it made me confused though, so I pretended that it didn't exist and just kept running exactly like before |
| 02:40.56 | DTRemenak | hmm, I seem to have let the magic blue smoke out of this capacitor :( |
| 02:42.26 | JeffM2501 | take it back |
| 02:42.29 | JeffM2501 | the store can do it |
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| 02:50.04 | spldart | hrm |
| 02:51.36 | spldart | Makes sense that I suck on the ground with so little time behind the tank controls... But I seem to hold my own in the air. |
| 02:52.04 | spldart | Looks like I started it on the last one to code in the password/username area of the proggie |
| 02:52.11 | spldart | hehe |
| 02:52.24 | DTRemenak | spldart: playing on jumping or wings worlds is much easier - you need a sense of timing more than any real skill. I mean... |
| 02:52.57 | spldart | Ah |
| 02:53.04 | *** join/#bzflag ep (~ep@ip68-97-124-161.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 02:53.10 | blast007 | yup, a low shot count (like 2) and no jumping really help you fine tune your skills |
| 02:53.17 | *** part/#bzflag Punkus (~chris@adsl-44.quicksilver.net.nz) |
| 02:53.24 | spldart | BTW How long has BZFlag had wings? |
| 02:54.04 | spldart | Like forever and stuff? |
| 02:54.09 | blast007 | nope |
| 02:54.24 | blast007 | I think it was first added in 2.0/1.11.x |
| 02:54.40 | spldart | how recent is that build though? |
| 02:54.42 | blast007 | haven't played 1.10 is so long, I can't remember if it had it |
| 02:55.10 | blast007 | well, the development phase was very long, but I'm not exactly sure |
| 02:55.25 | DTRemenak | spldart: wings was added in june or jully, iirc |
| 02:55.29 | DTRemenak | july even |
| 02:55.34 | blast007 | 1.11 was only a development version, and as such, was never released (except for some betas) |
| 02:55.43 | spldart | IC |
| 02:55.47 | spldart | So this year anyway |
| 02:55.48 | spldart | or wait |
| 02:55.50 | spldart | 04 |
| 02:55.50 | DTRemenak | the "world" didn't have a chance to play much until January |
| 02:56.07 | spldart | But BZflag has been around for a long time |
| 02:56.11 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 02:56.13 | spldart | IC |
| 02:56.18 | DTRemenak | a very long time |
| 02:56.26 | spldart | I remember reading about it somewhere |
| 02:56.34 | spldart | maybe it was that public article |
| 02:56.45 | spldart | Somebody posted |
| 02:57.00 | DTRemenak | BZFlag is older than many of the people who play it |
| 02:57.03 | DTRemenak | dang, that's scary |
| 02:57.13 | blast007 | heh :) |
| 02:58.01 | DTRemenak | superflags have been around for just short of 12 years |
| 02:58.02 | spldart | Not me... My first computer was a TRS-80 Model 1 |
| 02:58.41 | spldart | I worked on Commodore VIC20 and 64 computers at an authroized service center. |
| 02:58.51 | spldart | I have many found memories of the Apple IIs |
| 02:59.00 | spldart | I'm old :( |
| 02:59.07 | blast007 | ah yes, Apple IIs :) |
| 02:59.24 | DTRemenak | scary. some people were playing bzflag when I was in first grade :o |
| 02:59.40 | spldart | I still have 120 or so games for my old A II compact with the upgrade z80 coprocessor and extra memory |
| 02:59.49 | spldart | :eek: |
| 03:00.58 | DTRemenak | I have an apple IIc around here somewhere |
| 03:01.14 | spldart | For me first grade was the Nixon administration |
| 03:01.20 | DTRemenak | :eek: |
| 03:01.33 | DTRemenak | ;) |
| 03:01.34 | blast007 | the oldest computer I have is an old IDS that's 10MHz in turbo ;) |
| 03:01.37 | spldart | I remember vividly watching Carter giving state of the union addresses |
| 03:01.49 | spldart | And that whole Iran hostage fiasco |
| 03:02.04 | DTRemenak | some of my earliest memories are of Bush announcing Operation Desert Storm. No clue why I remember that. |
| 03:02.31 | DTRemenak | he had a very impressive desk |
| 03:02.38 | spldart | I think I remember certain stuff as a kid cuz my parents would get all serious at that time |
| 03:03.11 | DTRemenak | mm, that could be |
| 03:03.44 | spldart | That and we had like 6 or 7 channels (no cable tv) in the 70's |
| 03:04.07 | spldart | The president took up abc,nbc,cbs,pbs all at once.... I was like... WOW |
| 03:04.28 | DTRemenak | my parents still don't have cable tv - it's unavailable where they live. neither do I for that matter, but I could. |
| 03:04.54 | spldart | I can't live without my discovery channel, Learning channel, science channel... etc |
| 03:05.05 | DTRemenak | history channel |
| 03:05.09 | spldart | Oh yeah |
| 03:05.11 | spldart | That's a good one too |
| 03:05.54 | DTRemenak | history, discovery, and sci-fi are the only reasons I've even considered cable |
| 03:10.05 | spldart | I think I'm going to throw on a DVD or 4. I still haven't watched my Ladder 49, Saw, Taxi, Exorcist or Flight of the Phoenix DVD's BBL |
| 03:27.45 | Aribeth | if anyone would like to help test my new server it's at 209.189.239.242 im trying to get 20 players on it. |
| 03:35.02 | spldart | I'm in.... just watching the excorcist but I'll help |
| 03:49.12 | Thumper__ | what's the format for disabling /set via polls? |
| 03:52.55 | blast007 | Thumper_: seems to be a POLLSET permission |
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| 04:29.59 | Grumbler | hey, tyrone came back |
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| 04:39.21 | sgk284 | ping Nidhoggr |
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| 05:32.22 | spldart | buuuurrrrrrrppp! |
| 05:42.07 | orchid | hi Chikorita |
| 05:46.41 | sgk284 | hey prchid |
| 05:46.48 | sgk284 | orchid* |
| 05:47.12 | orchid | :) |
| 05:47.53 | Chikorita | hi orchid |
| 05:48.13 | Chikorita | any1 here have an iPod? |
| 05:49.03 | orchid | not I :( |
| 05:49.12 | Chikorita | aua |
| 05:49.42 | Chikorita | do u need an iPod 2 d/l iTunes? |
| 05:50.21 | orchid | hmm, I'm not sure, isn't it just a subscription service? |
| 05:50.35 | Chikorita | i have all dese free iTunes soda caps i won from drink all dis pepsi ... buh i cant use dem |
| 05:51.02 | orchid | lol |
| 05:51.18 | orchid | you still hooked on the pepsi? :) |
| 05:51.19 | Chikorita | want 1? |
| 05:51.24 | Chikorita | mayb u can use it |
| 05:51.35 | Chikorita | ya .. soda ... =P |
| 05:51.54 | Chikorita | my only addiction ... |
| 05:52.01 | Chikorita | dat an BZ ;) |
| 05:52.05 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 05:52.10 | orchid | :) |
| 05:53.04 | Chikorita | i tho iPods were like Palm pilots |
| 05:53.23 | orchid | just music players, pretty good ones too |
| 05:53.27 | orchid | with nice colors |
| 05:53.33 | Chikorita | ya |
| 05:53.59 | Chikorita | apples version of an mp3 player? yes? |
| 05:54.53 | orchid | yep |
| 05:55.23 | orchid | I think jeff has one and maybe grumbler |
| 05:55.48 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 05:56.21 | Chikorita | i need 2 find my ip# .. i gues i can google it |
| 05:56.24 | Chikorita | brb |
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| 05:57.01 | Chikorita | can irc tel mee my IP#? |
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| 06:00.03 | sgk284 | Chikorita, www.whatismyip.com |
| 06:00.57 | sgk284 | it might be 213.131.244.2 |
| 06:01.30 | sgk284 | in fact it is ;) |
| 06:01.32 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 06:03.04 | Chikorita | i got a diff numba |
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| 06:03.17 | Chikorita | 70.32.8.252 iz wut i get |
| 06:03.26 | Chikorita | buh thnx tho ;) |
| 06:04.30 | Chikorita | im so dum ... jus found out from sum1 i accidently banned meeself from a server lol |
| 06:05.22 | sgk284 | ping any dev |
| 06:05.39 | Chikorita | itz all good now ;) |
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| 06:06.53 | sgk284 | the coords for the box in a world (this is probably in the wiki so why am i asking...) goes x y z, right? |
| 06:07.17 | orchid | I wonder if a check for that might be worth it, "You are attempting to ban/kick your own client" |
| 06:08.20 | sgk284 | if your admin, you cant ban or kick yourself, right? |
| 06:08.30 | sgk284 | or give your user antiban perms |
| 06:08.38 | sgk284 | but yea it might be worth it |
| 06:09.05 | sgk284 | something seems wierd with typing 12 digits and not realizing its wrong though |
| 06:09.16 | sgk284 | :) |
| 06:09.27 | sgk284 | maybe i spend too much time around ip addresses ;) |
| 06:11.27 | MeBigFatGuy | sgk284, yes |
| 06:11.41 | MeBigFatGuy | and more importantly +z is up :) |
| 06:13.11 | orchid | I'm sure ive kicked myself recently off a server |
| 06:13.54 | orchid | and you can overshoot on the names with that auto-complete thingy |
| 06:13.58 | brlcad | it's not a subscription service .. you don't subscribe, you just buy when you want |
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| 07:01.39 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/bzfs.dev: fix linking errors--forgot to link curl stuff |
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| 08:19.27 | GuessWho | Hello is anyone here |
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| 13:17.32 | gina | ciao |
| 13:19.55 | Birdie | hey |
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| 14:15.20 | Birdie | need some one who is expert in microsoft word |
| 14:15.30 | ruskie | erm define epxert... |
| 14:15.45 | Birdie | some one that can find solutions to strange problems |
| 14:16.22 | ruskie | erm... use of word is a strange problem I'd say... |
| 14:16.42 | Birdie | i know but its the only thing i have for the moment |
| 14:16.49 | Birdie | and we HAVE to do it in word.. |
| 14:16.52 | ruskie | well ask away |
| 14:16.57 | ruskie | I might be ableto help |
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| 14:17.46 | Birdie | well, i'm typing all things..but for some reasons, he places regulary a whole horizontal line i cant get away or delete |
| 14:17.54 | Birdie | if i paste something, he does it to |
| 14:18.06 | Birdie | i cant cut the line,cant delete |
| 14:18.18 | ruskie | well word likes to change --- lines into full blown horizontal lines |
| 14:18.45 | Birdie | but how do i delete them? |
| 14:19.13 | ruskie | select the whole line and press delete and hope it works |
| 14:19.21 | Birdie | i did that 100 times |
| 14:19.25 | Birdie | not working |
| 14:19.50 | ruskie | turn on those markings thing and look there for a place holder |
| 14:21.55 | Birdie | lol even i copy just text, whithout those lines, he past it automatically |
| 14:22.18 | ruskie | yeah main reason why I hate word... |
| 14:22.25 | ruskie | it does stuff nobody asks it to do... |
| 14:22.51 | ruskie | try putting all the stuff into notepad and then go from there :)) |
| 14:23.14 | Birdie | lol what a solution |
| 14:25.04 | Birdie | if i copy to notepad |
| 14:25.08 | Birdie | and from there to word again |
| 14:25.10 | Birdie | no more lines.. |
| 14:26.42 | Birdie | ~ruskie++ |
| 14:35.40 | Pimpinella | wow, _thats_ software |
| 14:36.08 | Birdie | word should be open source to:) |
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| 15:20.41 | Thumper_ | The Admin channel: Should that be for admins to receive or for players to receive from admins? what is more effective? |
| 15:20.53 | wizart | if word was open source they would do the same they did with netscape. |
| 15:21.09 | wizart | throw the trash away and restart from scratch. |
| 15:21.20 | brlcad | Thumper_: it's for admins to talk to other admins |
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| 15:23.26 | Thumper_ | brlcad: thx |
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| 15:37.05 | spldart | Morning all |
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| 15:41.52 | blast007 | spldart: morning :) |
| 15:49.29 | Grumbler | gooooodddd morning all |
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| 15:51.20 | brlcad | tag Grumbler |
| 15:51.23 | orchid | morning |
| 15:54.34 | Birdie | good morning orchid-brlcad |
| 15:56.17 | brlcad | hello Birdie |
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| 15:57.18 | spldart | That's what I get for playing around of BZFlag with my ATI TV console running :eek: |
| 15:57.30 | spldart | Locked right up :( |
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| 15:59.10 | spldart | Anyone know how to make the server stop saying "This callsign is registered" "Identify with /identify <your password>" ? |
| 16:00.01 | blast007 | remove the passdb I think |
| 16:00.25 | blast007 | that should disable local auth |
| 16:01.15 | blast007 | er, make that remove the -passdb from your config, not the passdb file ;) |
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| 16:05.11 | Tupone | spldart: probably you were registered with 1.10 at that server. or a guy with your same nick. so /identify <your password> and the /deregister. with that you can go with global authorization |
| 16:08.14 | spldart | It's happening on my server |
| 16:08.17 | spldart | hrm |
| 16:08.40 | spldart | Let me pull the passdb from config |
| 16:10.21 | spldart | my bad. I'm not using -passdb, I'm using -userdb in my .cong |
| 16:10.23 | spldart | .confi |
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| 16:11.42 | blast007 | ah |
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| 16:12.43 | spldart | was never able to get it to work either |
| 16:12.49 | spldart | getting rid of it now |
| 16:13.58 | blast007 | "If -passdb <file> is not used, then the commands that deal with passwords are disabled: /register /identify /deregister /setpass /ghost" |
| 16:16.34 | spldart | I know. I'm just trying to get it to stop asking. Somebody bugged me for 5 minutes why it asked him to login but he couldn't. I told him /identify was disabled but then he bothered me about it was asking him to do so anyway |
| 16:17.40 | spldart | Anywho. got rid of -userdb and it stopped asking. I'll figure out why it's not working right later |
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| 16:25.56 | spldart | Anybody here have an opion on -requireudp on or off? |
| 16:27.17 | blast007 | I would put it on, but I've heard around here that it doesn't do anything anymore |
| 16:27.35 | blast007 | if that's the case, I'm not sure why it still exists, so I would add it ;) |
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| 17:03.11 | Thumper_ | hmmm my bzfs server crashes regularly - just did when issuing "/kick xxx reason" |
| 17:03.20 | Thumper_ | esp. when there are lots of players on |
| 17:04.45 | spldart | thanks blast007 |
| 17:05.05 | spldart | Mine has kicked me once so far... windows |
| 17:05.33 | spldart | been online for 3 weeks and public for a half week |
| 17:10.31 | _Manu_ | Thumper_, try using the newest cvs version the bug was fixed some time ago |
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| 17:49.32 | spldart | psychotic monkey is good! |
| 17:49.45 | wegstar | ah..right |
| 17:49.59 | spldart | 1 on 1 he owned me in my map :( |
| 17:50.13 | spldart | or, I should say, my server |
| 17:50.19 | spldart | LouMan's map |
| 17:50.20 | spldart | hehehehe |
| 17:50.51 | spldart | Of course I'm a n00d |
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| 18:06.13 | ToughShooter | ~weather EDDF |
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| 18:26.47 | menotume | spldart: n00d? please put on some clothes |
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| 18:36.50 | brlcad | menotume: =) |
| 18:37.20 | menotume | :D |
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| 18:57.00 | uso | hi |
| 18:57.17 | uso | is there a setting to suppress the blinking score? |
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| 18:57.47 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 18:57.56 | Tupone | blinking score? for the top on the list ? |
| 18:58.34 | uso | yes, its nerving |
| 18:59.37 | Tupone | I don't remember any option to remove it, unless you make it get enough shot |
| 18:59.54 | uso | lol |
| 19:00.19 | uso | if the enemys are too bad ... |
| 19:05.06 | uso | if i'm on scores ... it would be nice to have score sorted by strength, not by abolute kills |
| 19:06.19 | Legoguy | hey guys, friend is having problems getting bzflag to work on suse 9.1 - any known problems with that platform? |
| 19:13.03 | blast007 | Legoguy: what is the problem? |
| 19:14.06 | blast007 | it's not necessarily a problem specific to suse, but maybe missing a library or something |
| 19:14.11 | blast007 | but we can't determine that unless we have more information |
| 19:21.05 | blast007 | when playing with a build from the 10th, and using my rumble gamepad, after a while I get a message saying "DirectInput device is full. Resetting FF state." |
| 19:21.20 | blast007 | is that supposed to happen? (this is on Windows, btw) |
| 19:21.45 | DTRemenak | blast007: no, that shouldn't happen. does it keep rumbling after that? |
| 19:21.55 | blast007 | yeah |
| 19:22.04 | DTRemenak | we should probably be flushing it somewhere |
| 19:22.08 | blast007 | it repeats that ever so ofter |
| 19:22.12 | blast007 | often* |
| 19:22.27 | DTRemenak | or not writing duplicate effects onto it, which would be even better |
| 19:22.38 | blast007 | yeah |
| 19:23.32 | Tupone | DTRemenak, I didn't do any change to the build for ares as we 'd have an imminent release coming out. Still I wonder if you can make it work on windows, with my pathes on SF |
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| 19:23.46 | javaJake | ~seen Jeff2901 |
| 19:23.47 | ibot | javaJake: i haven't seen 'jeff2901' |
| 19:23.51 | javaJake | ~seen Jeff2501 |
| 19:23.51 | ibot | javaJake: i haven't seen 'jeff2501' |
| 19:23.57 | javaJake | ~seen JeffM2501 |
| 19:23.58 | ibot | jeffm2501 is currently on #opencombat (26m 11s) #bzflag (26m 11s) #tacobeam (26m 11s) |
| 19:24.04 | JeffM2501 | or you could just say hi |
| 19:24.06 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 19:24.13 | javaJake | sorry |
| 19:24.20 | javaJake | didn't know you were here. |
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| 19:24.38 | JeffM2501 | well my name on the left side of your window should have told you that :) |
| 19:25.16 | javaJake | OH! You are an admin, so it showed your name at the top of the list! I thought your name would be in the middle somewhere, starting with a "J". |
| 19:25.17 | DTRemenak | Tupone: I thought we were releasing this weekend? I'd like to avoid messing up my tree right before release, if possible. |
| 19:25.37 | JeffM2501 | what feature dos the patch add? |
| 19:25.51 | SportChick | grrrrr |
| 19:25.59 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, and why not, it's traditional to throw in stuff at the last min :) |
| 19:26.10 | Tupone | a 2nd tree ? substitute adns with ares |
| 19:26.17 | *** part/#bzflag javaJake (~javaJake@c-24-60-92-231.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 19:26.42 | SportChick | okay, here's the latest question - I just joined bzflag.orange.ca:5159 and everytime I joined (with the name "SportChick"), it caused the server to disconnect and a whole bunch of others. I tried changing my name and was able to get in just fine. What's upw ith that?! |
| 19:26.50 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:26.53 | DTRemenak | it doesn't like you :P |
| 19:27.16 | stevek | SportChick, it caused others to disconnect? |
| 19:27.36 | Tupone | could be your long nick? |
| 19:28.01 | blast007 | maybe that server is having issues with global reg? does it work if you don't put a password in? |
| 19:28.13 | blast007 | (just a guess) |
| 19:28.55 | stevek | DTRemenak, does bzflag have any utilities for validatiing input, i.e. the string passed is indeed a number represented as a string |
| 19:29.15 | DTRemenak | stevek: not really |
| 19:29.20 | stevek | k |
| 19:29.37 | stevek | think i might do that right after finals:) |
| 19:29.51 | stevek | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.56 | stevek | :) |
| 19:30.01 | blast007 | heh |
| 19:30.19 | blast007 | /set _tankSpeed fast! ;) |
| 19:30.24 | stevek | heh |
| 19:34.09 | SportChick | stevek: yes |
| 19:34.28 | stevek | wierd |
| 19:34.43 | stevek | i'm sure you were hoping for a more useful comment;) |
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| 19:35.19 | tea\tree | Jah Master |
| 19:35.19 | tea\tree | (2005-03-08 21:36:07) I'm thinking about donation 100,000 dollars to bzflag! |
| 19:35.19 | tea\tree | (my dad is making 100,000 dollars a day) |
| 19:35.21 | tea\tree | .... |
| 19:35.25 | Tupone | JeffM2501, the patch I was talking about are to substitute adns with ares, so in the next future we can have curl using an asyn dns (curl does not support, for licensing problem, adns). When ares will be on, I will change the client to support ares so to not have lock down at startup, like we have now, sometime |
| 19:35.31 | Aribeth | hi SportChick |
| 19:35.32 | SportChick | blast007: yes, I can connect as self without pasword, but if I put in pass, it disconnects everyone |
| 19:35.36 | tea\tree | hola all ;o) |
| 19:35.43 | SportChick | hi ari |
| 19:35.45 | tea\tree | strange posts going on ... |
| 19:35.49 | blast007 | SportChick: odd |
| 19:37.15 | JeffM2501 | how risky is the the change? |
| 19:37.40 | stevek | sporty do you know if they run an official server or a custom server? |
| 19:38.01 | *** part/#bzflag tea\tree (~tea@p54873A18.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:38.14 | Tupone | I tested on a public server, the changes are just a few. I need confirmation that windows support it. If we release today or tommorrow , I vote agaist |
| 19:38.15 | stevek | and is it making people go [nr] or actually making them disconnect and rejoin |
| 19:38.36 | DTRemenak | blast007: are you planning on working on fixing the FF thing? |
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| 19:39.00 | blast007 | DTRemenak: I'm reading on up IDirectInputDevice8::EnumCreatedEffectObjects |
| 19:39.14 | Guest3692 | anyone here that can help with bzedit32? |
| 19:39.22 | Tupone | Actually there is a problem I found but that is not related to ares. hostban does not work on non public server |
| 19:39.33 | DTRemenak | blast007: that's probably not the best way to do it. I looked at that first too. |
| 19:39.36 | stevek | Guest3692, is it a bug or you need help using it? |
| 19:39.38 | blast007 | ah, ok |
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| 19:39.50 | Guest3692 | i just need help using it |
| 19:40.08 | Guest3692 | i just started usiing it today |
| 19:40.19 | stevek | then i'm of no use:) |
| 19:40.20 | DTRemenak | blast007: I think best would be to create a std::map<std::string, LPDIRECTINPUTEFFECT> |
| 19:40.33 | blast007 | Guest3692: http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/BZEditW32 |
| 19:40.33 | Guest3692 | tried going through the tutorial but i cantseem to get it to work |
| 19:40.41 | Guest3692 | yeah, tried that |
| 19:40.44 | blast007 | oh :)_ |
| 19:40.47 | blast007 | :)* |
| 19:40.58 | DTRemenak | then at the beginning of ffRumble write all of the parameters into a string |
| 19:41.09 | DTRemenak | and check if it's already in the map, and if not, create it |
| 19:41.37 | DTRemenak | that way we don't have to deal with fugly directx callbacks :) |
| 19:41.46 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:41.57 | blast007 | I was noticing them ;) |
| 19:42.07 | Guest3692 | anyone use bzedt? |
| 19:43.07 | blast007 | Guest3692: lots of people do, but it you are trying to use the new BZFlag 2.0.0 features, BZEdit can't do them |
| 19:44.38 | Guest3692 | well, thats not the issue |
| 19:44.53 | blast007 | okay, explain the issue :) |
| 19:45.21 | Guest3692 | im simply making an object, and when i try to type in numbers in the postition/scale boxes and hit apply, absolutley nothing happens |
| 19:45.47 | Guest3692 | the numbers stick in, but the object doesnt change |
| 19:46.43 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I think the risk would be in making sure it works on the large number of OS/processor systems bzflag runs on. |
| 19:48.16 | Guest3692 | anyone know what im doing wrong? |
| 19:49.12 | Tupone | yeah, I know. Ares has been tested for most of the system. I put the source on the tree, that windows does not have dll available for, or seems not to have. So if really we are releasing today or tomorrow, I'd say not include those change. If we release next week, I'd prefer to have time working on client lockup at startup |
| 19:49.28 | blast007 | Guest3692: have you tried restarting the application, adding a single object, and then resizing it? There might be a bug that occurs when items are deleted |
| 19:49.33 | blast007 | not sure if it was ever fixed |
| 19:49.46 | DTRemenak | if you want it to work for release I can make windows work by then. I am not sure that is a good idea though. |
| 19:50.11 | Tupone | I donno the schedule, so I dunno either :( |
| 19:50.15 | JeffM2501 | we have a number of people who can't seem to run with curl, adding another lib may complicate that. |
| 19:50.30 | Tupone | this library is internal |
| 19:50.48 | DTRemenak | ares is in the bzflag tree. curl will need to be too, if we want curl to use ares. |
| 19:50.48 | Guest3692 | blast007: that worked, thanks! |
| 19:50.53 | JeffM2501 | I'd be leery at puting it in untill it's had a large scale test. |
| 19:51.10 | Guest3692 | i assume this program isnt all its hoped up to be. does everyone use something else? |
| 19:51.18 | JeffM2501 | but then I'm a rebel.. I'm on the edge. |
| 19:51.36 | blast007 | is there a blender plugin for BZFlag maps yet? or is that still in the works? |
| 19:51.40 | JeffM2501 | Guest3692, no it's all it's hoped up to be. it's just not hoped very much |
| 19:51.48 | JeffM2501 | the blender one isn't done yet |
| 19:51.48 | Tupone | JeffM2501, I agree, otherwise I'd put the changes directly there :) |
| 19:52.23 | blast007 | Guest3692: there is also a python one, but the interface for that is ugly and harder to use |
| 19:52.31 | DTRemenak | Guest3692: if you can identify exactly what makes it do what is unexpected, file a bug on the bzflag project on sourceforge for it |
| 19:52.34 | blast007 | and you have to install several libraries to get it working |
| 19:52.49 | JeffM2501 | windows bzedit was made in a day, then poked at for a while. It's not under realy active dev, mostly just small bug fixes when people get anoyed with it. |
| 19:53.06 | JeffM2501 | that you were |
| 19:53.19 | JeffM2501 | I'm doing prety good at resisting the urge to make it store unknown objects |
| 19:53.30 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I did that yesterday |
| 19:53.31 | JeffM2501 | and to redo the database system |
| 19:53.35 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 19:53.36 | JeffM2501 | gool |
| 19:53.37 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:53.44 | JeffM2501 | then I can reisist better |
| 19:53.50 | DTRemenak | well, it doesn't store all unknown objects, just known unknown objects |
| 19:53.58 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:54.05 | DTRemenak | can't figure out a good way to avoid group and define |
| 19:54.09 | JeffM2501 | I was thinking of just making an "user" object |
| 19:54.13 | JeffM2501 | that had a text edit |
| 19:54.29 | JeffM2501 | and make that the defaut for anything that it didn't know about |
| 19:54.39 | JeffM2501 | but I'd also want to redo the database |
| 19:54.52 | DTRemenak | it really ought to have proper grouping support |
| 19:54.53 | JeffM2501 | remove the ID think |
| 19:54.59 | JeffM2501 | it should have lots of things |
| 19:55.14 | Guest3692 | is there a version for linux thats beter? |
| 19:55.17 | Guest3692 | better |
| 19:55.18 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 19:55.31 | Guest3692 | *sigh* ok |
| 19:55.32 | DTRemenak | with proper grouping support it could be made to read 2.0 maps nondestructively without a major hassle |
| 19:55.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:55.39 | Guest3692 | well thanksalot guys |
| 19:55.50 | DTRemenak | next step would be rendering meshes |
| 19:55.51 | JeffM2501 | you'll have that done by 2:00 right? |
| 19:55.58 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 19:56.02 | DTRemenak | I'm done with it :) |
| 19:56.03 | JeffM2501 | then a mesh importer |
| 19:56.14 | DTRemenak | err, that may have come out wrong. I'm done with bzedit :) |
| 19:56.14 | JeffM2501 | so you lied to the munchkins |
| 19:56.20 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:56.21 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 19:56.44 | JeffM2501 | maybe when I make a new edit for the new format, it can be made to dump old ones too |
| 19:56.57 | JeffM2501 | if I can find a UI framework monkey |
| 19:57.21 | DTRemenak | maybe I'll work on grouping on the train ride to portland |
| 19:57.32 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 19:57.37 | JeffM2501 | how longs that take? |
| 19:57.45 | DTRemenak | 26 hours or so |
| 19:58.09 | JeffM2501 | and why not fly? |
| 19:58.31 | DTRemenak | primarily the hassle. I'd rather sit on my ass for 26 hours than stand in lines for 6 |
| 19:58.44 | JeffM2501 | leaving out of burbank is usualy prety easy |
| 19:59.12 | DTRemenak | besides, train rides are enjoyable :) |
| 19:59.16 | JeffM2501 | they are |
| 19:59.25 | JeffM2501 | tho the one I went on was horibly late. |
| 19:59.29 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:03.12 | JeffM2501 | I'd have remade the editor a while ago if I had a gui framework that worked cross plat that I could use. |
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| 20:11.06 | Thumper_ | _Manu_: this is the newest cvs version... |
| 20:11.24 | Thumper_ | actually I installed the newest this morning |
| 20:11.57 | Thumper_ | the previous one was from Mar 6 |
| 20:12.11 | Thumper_ | but it still crashed today with the one I built this morning |
| 20:12.16 | Thumper_ | when I tried to /kick someone |
| 20:12.37 | Thumper_ | current version: [SERVER->] BZFlag server 2.0.1.20050312-DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL, http://BZFlag.o |
| 20:16.35 | _Manu_ | Thumper_, the last bug was because a very long reason making overflow.. but now all is correct |
| 20:18.16 | _Manu_ | Thumper_, can you read the kick message? |
| 20:19.35 | brad2901 | brad2901 l |
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| 20:28.28 | Legoguy | hm. in 1.10.x maps, does each teleporter actually register two numbers, ie the first teleporter is 0/1 front/back? |
| 20:28.57 | Legoguy | looking at some old maps it almost seems that way |
| 20:33.26 | Grumbler | yes |
| 20:33.34 | Legoguy | k, thx |
| 20:33.44 | Legoguy | helps with converting old maps to new ones ;) |
| 20:35.12 | Grumbler | shouldnt be much to convert |
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| 20:35.27 | jpa_ | hi Legoguy |
| 20:35.29 | jpa_ | hi Grumbler |
| 20:35.31 | jpa_ | hi brad2901 |
| 20:35.34 | jpa_ | hi Tupone |
| 20:35.38 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:35.41 | ruskie | hi flood :)) |
| 20:35.53 | Grumbler | evening jpa_ |
| 20:35.56 | Tupone | hi * |
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| 20:41.49 | bz0712 | hello everyone |
| 20:42.18 | bz0712 | could someone help me in building bzflag2 under amd64, please? |
| 20:42.19 | jpa_ | hi |
| 20:42.35 | jpa_ | should there be some problem in that? |
| 20:43.04 | jpa_ | i assume you are running linux? what distro? |
| 20:43.20 | bz0712 | I have OpenGL libraries installed, but during ./configure, nzflag reports that gl.h is missing |
| 20:43.26 | bz0712 | bzflag* |
| 20:43.36 | bz0712 | running ubuntu-hoary for amd64 |
| 20:44.13 | ruskie | where are the headers hidden |
| 20:44.24 | jpa_ | have you installed opengl-dev libraries? |
| 20:44.30 | bz0712 | not hidden, standard place I guess.. |
| 20:44.30 | uso | bz0712: add the dev libraries |
| 20:44.51 | bz0712 | eeps.. I think u maybe right on that one uso |
| 20:45.00 | bz0712 | thanks.. apt-getting now |
| 20:45.45 | bz0712 | and one little thing on the side.. |
| 20:46.02 | bz0712 | wahts the march flag to gcc to build for amd64? |
| 20:46.45 | ruskie | k8 or some other as well iirc for gcc 3.4.x |
| 20:47.08 | bz0712 | I've got gcc 3.3 though |
| 20:47.31 | ruskie | then athlon-xp is the optimization flag for it iirc... |
| 20:47.32 | edini | athlon64 for 3.4.x |
| 20:47.36 | jpa_ | gcc3.2 might not support amd64 yet |
| 20:47.41 | jpa_ | dunno of 3.3 |
| 20:48.03 | bz0712 | kay, thanks guys :) |
| 20:48.18 | ruskie | if use_gcc 3.3. ; then |
| 20:48.19 | ruskie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:49.15 | edini | athlon-xp isnt athlon64 |
| 20:49.32 | Tupone | bz0712, -march=k8 ? |
| 20:49.49 | bz0712 | I'll try that. |
| 20:50.37 | bz0712 | march=k8 didnt work |
| 20:50.57 | jpa_ | edini: but -m64 is a bit closer to that |
| 20:50.58 | Tupone | probably too old the |
| 20:51.27 | jpa_ | install 3.4 :) |
| 20:51.43 | bz0712 | I would, but I have some stuff that needs 3.3 :) |
| 20:51.50 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 20:51.59 | jpa_ | and you do not happen to have it as gcc3.4? |
| 20:52.11 | bz0712 | I just have 3.3 |
| 20:52.45 | bz0712 | okay, bzflag compiled nicely it seems :-) |
| 20:53.04 | bz0712 | gimme a few, let me try it out |
| 20:53.38 | uso | any advantage compiling bzflag with gcc-3.4? better optimized, i.e. faster bin? |
| 20:53.38 | jpa_ | yes, it will compile just fine |
| 20:54.30 | jpa_ | but it might run 3% faster if it was with better athlon64 support |
| 20:55.15 | bz0712 | tried it, runs cool. not too fancy yet |
| 20:55.25 | bz0712 | i have an old gfx card |
| 20:55.29 | bz0712 | maybe thats the reason |
| 20:55.36 | bz0712 | GeForce2 MX 400 |
| 20:55.44 | jpa_ | nah, it should run fine |
| 20:55.50 | blast007 | that should be able to run the goodies |
| 20:56.05 | blast007 | make sure they are enabled in the Display and Effects menus |
| 20:56.15 | blast007 | both are sub menus of Options |
| 20:56.37 | blast007 | woah...nice...a compile error message that is 821 characters long :) |
| 20:56.51 | jpa_ | also, if you are not sure, do glxinfo | grep vendor |
| 20:57.00 | jpa_ | and see if it shows your card |
| 20:57.10 | uso | btw, CFLAGS=-O3 does not work, because -O2 seems hard coded and oversteer it |
| 20:57.49 | Tupone | uso, the last CFLAGS work |
| 20:57.59 | Tupone | so -O2 -O3 goes with -O3 |
| 20:58.13 | uso | but it's -O3 -O2 ;) |
| 20:59.29 | bz0712 | nvidia accelaration is enabled over here |
| 20:59.39 | Tupone | sure, I saw a different things, though , long time ago |
| 21:02.45 | spldart | geforce2mx400 needs the settings turned down just a tad for nice smooth operation |
| 21:02.54 | spldart | at least in a complicated map |
| 21:03.00 | spldart | In my experience |
| 21:03.24 | JeffM2501 | mx 2 isn't the fastest card |
| 21:03.43 | bz0712 | I'd have to agree with JeffM2501 and spldart |
| 21:04.47 | jpa_ | tnt2 is \o/ |
| 21:05.26 | bz0712 | anyway, i'm outta here, thanks for all the tips |
| 21:05.31 | bz0712 | good day |
| 21:06.07 | jpa_ | its night already |
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| 21:49.53 | uso | oops, sorry, delete my last comment about CFLAGS |
| 21:49.57 | uso | i remembered wrong, was on 1.10 |
| 21:50.12 | uso | on 2.0 CFLAGS works |
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| 22:05.28 | Mirellathecat | hello |
| 22:05.49 | brlcad | hi |
| 22:05.51 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 22:05.54 | jpa_ | hi brlcad |
| 22:05.56 | jpa_ | hi JeffM2501 |
| 22:06.00 | jpa_ | hi kitty |
| 22:06.08 | Mirellathecat | miao |
| 22:06.51 | Mirellathecat | good night |
| 22:06.56 | jpa_ | night |
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| 22:49.03 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/internet/irc/listbot/src/listbot.cpp: support removal of servers on part and quit ( requires libIRC 0.1.3 ) |
| 22:50.13 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/common/ (inc/version.h src/version.cpp): |
| 22:50.13 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: add codename to version string |
| 22:50.13 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: make net and build versions use 4 characters. |
| 22:50.53 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/common/src/listServer.cpp: retrn server version when requested |
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| 22:53.16 | uso | oops, after getting shot display goes crazy!? is this a new "feature" or is this an effect of gcc-3.4 plus optimization? |
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| 22:54.54 | jpa_ | it is a heaven-simulation ,) |
| 22:55.04 | jpa_ | no, it is because of optimization etc :) |
| 22:55.32 | uso | hmm, bad |
| 22:56.07 | uso | sure? otherwise it runs |
| 22:56.41 | jpa_ | well, try without |
| 22:57.00 | jpa_ | i haven't noticed anything strange after dying with -O3 |
| 22:58.12 | uso | also if you shoot yourself? |
| 22:59.03 | jpa_ | yes |
| 22:59.23 | uso | view goes up and down a few times and then the normal screen comes back |
| 22:59.43 | jpa_ | hmh |
| 22:59.56 | creeperz | that is very strange |
| 23:02.02 | uso | i recompile it with 3.3 and w/o optimization |
| 23:03.01 | uso | maybe -ftracer goes wrong |
| 23:03.22 | brlcad | hah |
| 23:04.10 | brlcad | "Ma Ya Hi" by Dan Balan / Lucas Prata just came on the radio |
| 23:04.18 | brlcad | in english |
| 23:05.13 | brlcad | of numanumaye fame |
| 23:06.19 | brlcad | Grumbler: bet it'll be on 98 rock real soon :) |
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| 23:12.25 | LithiumBot | # repop |
| 23:21.48 | uso | same effect with gcc-3.3 w/o optimization |
| 23:23.15 | uso | latest cvs from today |
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| 23:30.01 | LithiumBot | # repop |
| 23:35.50 | Grumbler | unbelievable |
| 23:58.12 | uso | Grumbler: do you mean me? |
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| 23:58.59 | brlcad | uso: it's not all about you ;) |
| 23:59.11 | uso | ok ok :) |
| 23:59.30 | uso | but i also find this unbelievable :) |