| 00:00.27 | Birdie | ~ karma Pimpinella |
| 00:00.27 | ibot | pimpinella has karma of 4 |
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| 00:04.23 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Simple Map Help - http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking || BZFlag 2.0.0 is Released! - Go to http://sf.net/projects/bzflag http://bzflag.org/wiki/Download | |
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| 01:45.08 | bryjen | bzflist |
| 01:45.13 | bryjen | ~bzflist |
| 01:45.24 | SportChick | did you get disconnected, bryjen? |
| 01:45.27 | bryjen | yup |
| 01:45.30 | SportChick | me too |
| 01:45.38 | SportChick | not that I was able to do much anyway |
| 01:45.47 | SportChick | but I was making a funny comment when it happened |
| 01:45.58 | bryjen | is secretplace still having routing problems? |
| 01:46.06 | prebral | Is it just me, or is my.bzflag.org not running? I can access www.bzflag.org (browser), but my.bzflag.net seems to be dead (browser-forums, bzflag-serverlist)... |
| 01:46.14 | SportChick | I think so |
| 01:46.20 | SportChick | want me to call Nid? |
| 01:46.42 | bryjen | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 01:46.45 | ibot | nidhoggr <mandrake@dragon.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 8h 44m 46s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 01:46.54 | SportChick | server list, bzflag.org and sp are all down |
| 01:47.06 | SportChick | bryjen: I mean on the phone |
| 01:47.49 | bryjen | www.bzflag.org is sourceforge my.bzflag.org, list server and secretplace are all Nidhoggr |
| 01:48.20 | SportChick | sourceforge is up, the others are all down |
| 01:49.28 | bryjen | ~bzflist |
| 01:49.36 | bryjen | intermittant |
| 01:49.41 | SportChick | a router in phoenix went down - they are working on it |
| 01:49.45 | SportChick | just hung up with Nid |
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| 01:57.10 | Cybodog | am I the only one who just got shut out of spirals? |
| 01:57.37 | SportChick | nope - iits donw |
| 01:57.44 | SportChick | I can't type - it's down |
| 01:58.35 | lan56 | did you hear about the latest documentary about baseball? |
| 01:58.53 | lan56 | it's called, "son of a pitch" :))))) |
| 01:59.34 | Cybodog | I can't get any other server right now either. |
| 01:59.44 | Cybodog | what ever happend fsdsk my install. |
| 01:59.57 | Cybodog | I removed and re-installed it as well |
| 02:00.24 | bryjen | no, the list server was down. its the same machine as secretplace. its back up now though. |
| 02:00.34 | Cybodog | phew |
| 02:00.48 | Cybodog | what happended? |
| 02:01.08 | bryjen | failure in a piece of network equipment |
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| 02:06.54 | a_monkey | is bzmap some bzw making app? |
| 02:07.03 | a_monkey | somebody mentioned it |
| 02:07.45 | trepan | it's cods' python map generator |
| 02:08.52 | a_monkey | mm python |
| 02:08.56 | a_monkey | means i can run it |
| 02:09.05 | a_monkey | i googled it, can't find out any info on it... |
| 02:09.24 | a_monkey | is it not around any more? |
| 02:09.36 | a_monkey | "bzmap python" didn't return any relevant pages.. |
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| 02:10.55 | a_monkey | cods, you know where i can get bzmap?/ |
| 02:11.08 | a_monkey | whoops. the '/' was an accident |
| 02:11.10 | cods | bzflag.tuxee.net |
| 02:11.13 | a_monkey | thx |
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| 02:12.38 | bz4592 | Just installed a second video card for my second monitor and bzflag 2.0 is non-responsive and slow now, but it was working fine before... Can someone helpÉ |
| 02:12.49 | cods | but, I'm still coding the next version (support for new 2.0 features, CSG,..). However, some hack are available in actual bzmap for some feature like color and physics. Look at Thumper script for example. |
| 02:13.19 | cods | bz4592: what are your videos cards ? |
| 02:16.13 | bz4592 | one is an ati all in wonder 8500(AGP), the other is a pci ati rage pro 128. |
| 02:16.48 | bz4592 | I'm running the game on the all in wonder screen... which is also my primary... just like before. |
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| 03:14.55 | ExtremistCow | perhaps |
| 03:25.07 | brlcad | that was a fun little shopping diversion.. |
| 03:25.17 | purple_cow | brlcad: whatd'ja get? |
| 03:27.47 | brlcad | new wireless router, new hdd, areobars for my bike .. |
| 03:28.09 | brlcad | bike socks, trail mix |
| 03:28.20 | brlcad | coffee |
| 03:28.23 | brlcad | and buffalo wings |
| 03:28.27 | purple_cow | all good things |
| 03:30.27 | MeBigFatGuy | router and socks, color coordinated? |
| 03:30.47 | brlcad | independently, yes :) |
| 03:30.57 | MeBigFatGuy | well what good is that? |
| 03:31.52 | brlcad | that router doesn't do me much good while biking (yet) |
| 03:32.14 | MeBigFatGuy | OH! it's not a wireless router, sorry, my bad |
| 03:36.04 | sgk284 | heh |
| 03:36.38 | sgk284 | my god... i've never seen so many warnings in my entire life as i ahve with hula |
| 03:36.42 | sgk284 | have* |
| 03:38.35 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 03:38.50 | MeBigFatGuy | we have nothing to do with the speed by which they pass by :) |
| 03:39.01 | sgk284 | heh |
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| 04:14.37 | MeBigFatGuy | recall on xboxes due to faulty power cord |
| 04:14.40 | MeBigFatGuy | how silly |
| 04:16.53 | sgk284 | every xbox? |
| 04:25.53 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (6 files): tilted world weapons |
| 04:27.01 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/TODO: weapons "tilt" over the wire |
| 04:28.13 | orange | trepan: would it be possible/practical to have a world weapon specified to not harm players on a particular team? |
| 04:29.47 | trepan | orange: sure, wouldn't be that hard |
| 04:29.54 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/man/bzw.5s: weapon tilt |
| 04:30.06 | trepan | cheezy non-protocol breaking way would be not to send the shots to those players |
| 04:30.16 | orange | I was thinking a shockwave set around a team's base that went off every 5 seconds would be a great anti-camping device |
| 04:30.43 | orange | it would give map-makers some cool new ways to design game flow |
| 04:32.06 | orange | I was watching hepcat overlord the other day, and there was a guy with geno sitting on the base waiting for new players to arrive so he could get his geno kills. |
| 04:35.05 | trepan | orange: a permanent base-shield type building might look nicer, avoids the bandwidth too |
| 04:35.18 | trepan | s/building/obstacle |
| 04:35.36 | trepan | and avoid the noise... |
| 04:35.54 | orange | oh yeah, I run with -mute, I never think about noise :-) |
| 04:36.36 | orange | but I can't think of anything that would prevent a player from parking themselves on the enemy base |
| 04:36.53 | orange | either with a geno, waiting for new arrivals, or with a shockwave or steamroller, waiting for the ctf |
| 04:37.24 | orange | (mind you, that doesn't mean it can't be done, just that I can't think of anything) |
| 04:39.01 | trepan | orange: besides the shield, make bases lethal to other teams (although more limited) |
| 04:39.19 | orange | hmmm, can you do that? |
| 04:39.36 | orange | the reason I was thinking shockwave was that you still need to be able to get in to get the flag |
| 04:41.17 | trepan | i was thinking to place the flag elsewhere (sry, that was implied :) |
| 04:42.01 | orange | oh, heh, since I didn't know you could do that, I wouldn't have thought of it :-) |
| 04:42.38 | orange | ok, so assuming that, a shield and lethal base would definitely help... can you make the base lethal to other teams as it stands today? |
| 04:42.40 | trepan | server picks all spawn positions... (flag and player) |
| 04:42.47 | trepan | orange: nope |
| 04:43.04 | trepan | the selective SW shots are the best we can do with the current protocol |
| 04:43.12 | trepan | not that hard to do |
| 04:43.13 | orange | there is a server where, if you go to the bottom, you die |
| 04:43.23 | trepan | ? |
| 04:43.31 | trepan | waterLevel, death physics driver? |
| 04:43.37 | orange | waterlevel, I bet |
| 04:43.51 | orange | death physics... now if that could be team-specific, that would rock |
| 04:43.58 | trepan | waterLevel babbles about rusting tanks, death phydrv sends custom messages |
| 04:44.54 | orange | oh... but I bet team-specific death physics would have to be a protocol change... that's what you're saying, right? |
| 04:45.07 | trepan | yup |
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| 04:46.02 | orange | selective world weapons sounds like it would be fun anyway :-) |
| 04:46.21 | orange | you wouldn't have to use a SW... you could just fire shots all around the base |
| 04:46.30 | orange | (if the noise were too annoying) |
| 04:46.39 | MeBigFatGuy | certainly one thing that should be done is that GMWW should lock on to the most likely tank |
| 04:47.07 | trepan | MeBigFatGuy: dunno, i like 'em the way they are for effect |
| 04:47.16 | trepan | make it a different tag type? |
| 04:47.21 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 04:47.26 | orange | how does it choose now? |
| 04:47.43 | trepan | it shoots straight |
| 04:47.56 | orange | how is it different than regular shots? |
| 04:48.01 | trepan | orange: trepan.homelinux.net:6000 (fireworks display) |
| 04:48.09 | MeBigFatGuy | it draws like a gm |
| 04:49.02 | JeffM2501 | mebigfatguy, the linux kernel |
| 04:49.10 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 04:49.15 | MeBigFatGuy | prolly only a few more |
| 04:49.19 | JeffM2501 | 3 |
| 04:49.21 | orange | hehe, cool |
| 04:49.30 | JeffM2501 | but they don't support -ms |
| 04:49.51 | orange | that is, the fireworks server is cool trepan :-) |
| 04:50.00 | JeffM2501 | most other sane projects would have had a plugin system by this many options |
| 04:50.21 | JeffM2501 | bzflag needs fatboy! |
| 04:50.51 | orchid | mp3 streaming server option, yes |
| 04:51.38 | JeffM2501 | opencombat's audio system will stream from HTTP, or shoutcast or icecast |
| 04:51.48 | orchid | awesome |
| 04:52.00 | JeffM2501 | sadly it crashes the model manager every time it does |
| 04:52.09 | orchid | no worries |
| 04:52.46 | JeffM2501 | and violates debian "pure" package requirements |
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| 04:52.54 | orchid | ahh hm |
| 04:52.55 | orange | trepan: so theoretically the only changes are how to specify it in the map, and then set the server to only broadcast to everyone but the team that is immune |
| 04:53.00 | orchid | id have to report you then |
| 04:53.03 | JeffM2501 | dosnt' mean it's not free and still works |
| 04:53.14 | JeffM2501 | but so do the nvidia drivers |
| 04:53.51 | trepan | orange: very easy if you assume all SW world weapons (ww henceforth) are for team protection |
| 04:54.05 | JeffM2501 | orange that's a bad hack, you want to make a geno sw, then make a geno sw |
| 04:54.33 | trepan | JeffM2501: it's not geno, a position dependant |
| 04:54.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah bad word |
| 04:54.49 | JeffM2501 | it's like a color filter SW |
| 04:54.54 | JeffM2501 | all but my color |
| 04:54.59 | trepan | yup |
| 04:55.04 | orange | except any ww should be able to do it |
| 04:55.07 | JeffM2501 | may as well do that for all shots |
| 04:55.11 | JeffM2501 | or just turn of TK on the server |
| 04:55.13 | orange | because it's a feature of the map |
| 04:55.13 | trepan | yup |
| 04:55.21 | trepan | just add a team parameter to the objst |
| 04:55.23 | JeffM2501 | any shot from ANYONE should be able to |
| 04:55.30 | trepan | s/objst/ww object |
| 04:55.46 | trepan | avoid tks? |
| 04:56.00 | JeffM2501 | well yeah the world isn't a player |
| 04:56.04 | JeffM2501 | so TK won't do it |
| 04:56.37 | trepan | with that team insulating shot property, you could easily avoid tks |
| 04:56.59 | MeBigFatGuy | how bout team specific teleporters |
| 04:57.13 | trepan | but if someone wants a quick non-protocol-breaking patch right now, i'll write it up |
| 04:57.37 | orange | trepan: I think it would be awesome, myself |
| 04:57.47 | trepan | (after tea, that is) |
| 04:59.21 | trepan | orange: might as well have team flags spawn in entry zones too, place the flag behind the base |
| 04:59.31 | trepan | hm, it's gonna be ugly and noisy |
| 05:00.10 | orange | I was thinking regular shots might be better than sw |
| 05:00.41 | orange | you could fire them from outside the base back into it |
| 05:00.58 | orange | if you left enough time between shots, you could leave the team flag spawning on the base |
| 05:01.02 | trepan | a rico'ed laser from a distanced tele src would be noiseless |
| 05:01.18 | orange | that'd be sufficiently brutal :-) |
| 05:01.33 | trepan | requires mapping skillz ;) |
| 05:01.59 | orange | yeah, would be tough to get just right... other ones, though noisy, could be easy to map in... and if someone wants to sit on the base, they get to listen to shots |
| 05:02.19 | orange | SportChick: don't like the idea, or other issues? |
| 05:04.41 | trepan | you'd also need to make sure that the protected zone could support the team's flag |
| 05:04.46 | trepan | s/could/couldn't |
| 05:05.55 | orange | hmm, I don't get that one |
| 05:06.11 | trepan | again, easy to do, but it looks like this would all be better done during the next protocol breakage |
| 05:06.43 | trepan | orange: i'm still thinking about a protected zone, not periodic shots |
| 05:07.10 | orange | oh, yeah, correct, the team flag could not go in a truly protected zone |
| 05:07.26 | trepan | heh, it could actually be done in current protocol |
| 05:07.36 | trepan | the phydrv indices are send in MsgPlayerUpdates |
| 05:08.35 | trepan | be again, better to wait and do it cleanly |
| 05:09.05 | orange | if the team-specific ww's need to wait, I understand, for sure... but I bet they'd be implemented as you're thinking now anyway :-) |
| 05:11.51 | jpa_ | morning |
| 05:17.59 | cods | hi jpa_ |
| 05:18.13 | jpa_ | hi cods |
| 05:27.35 | Thumper_ | goodnight jpa, cods, and everyone else |
| 05:29.47 | jpa_ | yeah right |
| 05:29.58 | jpa_ | like you would get over your addiction that easily |
| 05:30.19 | cods | hmm, what is the english term for a.. hmm.. a infinite line starting at a point (nor a segment, nor a line) |
| 05:30.25 | cods | +? |
| 05:31.08 | cods | half line ? |
| 05:34.11 | cods | hmm, "ray" |
| 05:34.39 | cods | "ray" is the usual term in english for that (from a mathematical point of view) ? |
| 05:40.38 | sgk284 | cods, yea itd be a ray |
| 05:43.06 | cods | ok, thx |
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| 06:12.36 | orchid | !dict pervious |
| 06:12.40 | guu | orchid: web1913 and wn responded: wn: pervious adj : admitting of passage or entrance; "pervious soil"; "a metal pervious to heat" [ant: {impervious}]; web1913: Pervious \Per"vi*ous\, a. [L. pervis; per + via a way. See {Per-}, and {Voyage}.] 1. Admitting passage; capable of being penetrated by another body or substance; permeable; as, a pervious soil. [Doors] . . . pervious to winds, and (1 more message) |
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| 09:14.24 | ToughShooter | trepan: Have you found the error? I was sleeping... |
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| 11:11.20 | jpa_ | lallala |
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| 11:30.52 | Pimpi | paapappaa? |
| 11:31.06 | jpa_ | ? |
| 11:31.47 | Pimpi | ;) |
| 11:33.39 | Pimpi | jpa_: what do you do to keep your dual P4 sytem busy? |
| 11:35.03 | jpa_ | umm.. it is a 300 user shell/www server |
| 11:35.08 | jpa_ | do i need to tell more? :) |
| 11:35.14 | jpa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.45 | Pimpi | wow |
| 11:36.12 | jpa_ | not so busy at this time of day |
| 11:36.24 | jpa_ | on evening it is having loads like 4 or more |
| 11:36.58 | jpa_ | while unfortunately it is not my dual P4 system :S |
| 11:37.12 | jpa_ | just have account to it |
| 11:37.40 | Pimpi | time for a cluster or multi way power5 system |
| 11:37.54 | Pimpi | ;) |
| 11:38.54 | jpa_ | yup.. upgrading to even more heavy system in few months, currently has ide disks that cause most of the load |
| 11:41.25 | Pimpi | http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/openpower/hardware/720.html |
| 11:41.29 | Pimpi | nice toy |
| 11:42.20 | Pimpi | allows hardware based partitioning |
| 11:42.24 | jpa_ | too slow for bzflag ,) |
| 11:42.30 | Pimpi | hehe |
| 11:50.38 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@adsl-69-224-26-237.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 11:51.43 | *** join/#bzflag KTL_ (~KTL@kotnet-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be) |
| 12:08.41 | *** join/#bzflag blast007_ (~blast@dialup-4.254.86.235.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) |
| 12:52.45 | *** join/#bzflag bz0832 (~d98167d6@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 13:18.33 | jpa_ | morning Thumper_ |
| 13:21.42 | SportChick | hi jpa |
| 13:21.52 | jpa_ | hi sporty |
| 13:22.44 | brlcad | holly molly .. i have 50 gmail invites |
| 13:22.44 | jpa_ | brlcad: that is just so not-nice |
| 13:23.20 | SportChick | brlcad: isn't that "holy moly"? |
| 13:24.57 | brlcad | i don't either.. just logged in as google themselves sent me an invite from a request I put in a year ago |
| 13:25.25 | brlcad | i did, but it was cantonese |
| 13:25.46 | brlcad | and i really don't function well for another 4 hours regardless |
| 13:25.54 | brlcad | and what the heck are you doing up? |
| 13:26.06 | brlcad | you can't seriously get up this early?! |
| 13:26.23 | SportChick | I've been up for 90 minutes already |
| 13:26.24 | Pimpi | still awake? |
| 13:26.28 | *** join/#bzflag bitumen (~dcf4e009@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 13:26.42 | brlcad | Pimpi: you make sense :) |
| 13:26.53 | SportChick | brlcad: hubby and I are in Berkeley where he is on the 4AM to noon shift - so I go on the same time |
| 13:27.17 | brlcad | crazy |
| 13:27.17 | SportChick | although he got up at 3:20 and I dind't get up until 3:50 |
| 13:27.21 | brlcad | i'd roll over and unconciously say "see ya!" ;) |
| 13:27.42 | SportChick | brlcad: would it do me any good to explain your memo now, or should I wake until your 6 cups of coffee kick in? |
| 13:27.53 | brlcad | mm.. coffee |
| 13:28.06 | brlcad | yay, caffeine shipment should arrive today.. |
| 13:28.56 | *** join/#bzflag bitumen (~dcf4e009@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 13:29.26 | bitumen | hi, im trying to compile bzflag-2.0.0.20050117 under slackware 10.1 and am having trouble, would someone be able to help? |
| 13:30.20 | Pimpi | bitumen: specify troubles |
| 13:30.38 | bitumen | In file included from TextureManager.cxx:30:../../include/global.h:66: error: `MAXFLOAT' was not declared in this scopemake[2]: *** [TextureManager.o] Error 1 |
| 13:31.17 | Pimpi | true |
| 13:31.18 | Pizbit | brlcad: Are you one of those people who order a few crates full of caffeine concentrate that would usually last one person their entire life but consume it in a month? |
| 13:31.38 | brlcad | Pizbit: nah |
| 13:31.43 | brlcad | usually takes me two months |
| 13:32.11 | SportChick | pimpi, brlcad, anyone who will listen: we were all talking about the st/cl thing the other day - some people hought there was a cheat that appeared as st/cl. however, today, it happened to me - ~I~ was accused of being st/cl at the same time. I had no flag, was not nr, and had lag of 41 +- 64. |
| 13:32.31 | bitumen | Pimpi: got any ideas? |
| 13:32.33 | SportChick | brlcad: I disagree - I'd have a hard time choosing between Boy and War. |
| 13:32.57 | Pimpi | bitumen: not instantly, did u try current cvs? |
| 13:33.21 | brlcad | bitumen: that implies you don't have stdint.h ? |
| 13:33.29 | brlcad | SportChick: were you cheating? :) |
| 13:34.09 | jpa_ | how do they know who is the one with stcl? |
| 13:34.19 | jpa_ | you can not identify st tank.. |
| 13:34.19 | bitumen | Pimpi: i just did an ls for /usr/include/stdint.h and its there. |
| 13:34.34 | SportChick | cuz I shot him and then he saw who shot him - he said after he died, he could see me fine |
| 13:34.48 | jpa_ | evil |
| 13:35.27 | jpa_ | so sportchick has developed a really nice cheat that can be blamed as "you just did not notice i was behind you" |
| 13:35.57 | brlcad | With or Without You |
| 13:39.08 | SportChick | Oh, and where do we go |
| 13:39.08 | SportChick | Where do we go from here |
| 13:39.08 | SportChick | Where to go |
| 13:39.13 | brlcad | while the lyrics was good on their early albums, I think their actual musical sound wasn't refined enough for my taste |
| 13:40.04 | bitumen | thankyou for your help. |
| 13:40.52 | brlcad | living in the past? :) |
| 13:41.02 | SportChick | apparently |
| 13:41.12 | Pimpi | "Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own" is great too... |
| 13:41.13 | SportChick | ~jpa_-- |
| 13:41.24 | SportChick | that's for being mean instead of helping jpa_ |
| 13:41.59 | Thumper_ | SportChick: but that's just how jpa is... :E |
| 13:42.24 | Thumper_ | ~karma jpa_ |
| 13:42.24 | ibot | jpa_ has karma of 8 |
| 13:42.24 | SportChick | Thumper_: no, you are thinking of "jpa-", not jpa_ |
| 13:42.34 | SportChick | ~karma jpa- |
| 13:42.34 | ibot | jpa- has karma of -10 |
| 13:42.39 | jpa_ | jpa- corrupted me :S |
| 13:42.45 | jpa_ | i'm not nice anymore :E |
| 13:42.51 | Thumper_ | oh jpa_ is the lowlife version of jpa- ? |
| 13:42.53 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 13:44.38 | SportChick | brlcad: how about another home made dinner for silencing jpa- for the day? |
| 13:45.02 | SportChick | hehe - grumbler, you and I think alike |
| 13:45.16 | Grumbler | fear |
| 13:46.20 | jpa- | am i really that not-liked here? |
| 13:47.20 | SportChick | hiya jpa_ |
| 13:47.27 | jpa_ | you know, this does not make me any nicer :E |
| 13:47.45 | SportChick | if not then I'll just have to take away all your karma and get you silenced |
| 13:48.06 | SportChick | jpa_: brlcad has HAD dinner at my house - so he KNOWS I can cook |
| 13:48.06 | jpa_ | that would be mean |
| 13:48.18 | SportChick | an eye for an eye... |
| 13:48.20 | jpa_ | and you would be by no means better than i am |
| 13:48.51 | jpa_ | or maybe he is just too nice to tell you the truth |
| 13:50.02 | jpa_ | i can leave if you really want that |
| 13:50.28 | brlcad | SportChick cooks up good stuff! |
| 13:51.14 | jpa_ | she cooks good stuff.. after she has cooked it, it is not that good :) |
| 13:51.32 | brlcad | see, nobody behaves before noon anyways :) |
| 13:51.39 | jpa_ | being silent is not the same as being nice |
| 13:51.54 | jpa_ | brlcad: it is already 15:52 here |
| 13:52.01 | brlcad | my tummy would disagree |
| 13:52.06 | jpa_ | brlcad: so i do not behave after noon either :P |
| 13:52.10 | brlcad | yay, gmail pop works |
| 13:52.23 | SportChick | brlcad: where did you find that? |
| 13:52.33 | brlcad | under settings |
| 13:52.53 | brlcad | it has to be offered for your account, but they may be offering it to everyone now |
| 13:54.04 | Pizbit | brlcad: Heh, I got 100 last week, two batches of 50 |
| 13:54.09 | Pizbit | Another 50 sometime this week:) |
| 13:54.22 | brlcad | ah, so they must be ramping up |
| 13:54.27 | Pizbit | http://isnoop.net/gmail/ |
| 13:54.31 | SportChick | omg, I have 50 invites too |
| 13:54.42 | SportChick | I hadn't noticed that before |
| 14:00.41 | *** join/#bzflag |zongo| (~zongo@80-218-158-23.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 14:20.25 | brlcad | http://www.freep.com/news/mich/smokes18e_20050218.htm |
| 14:24.42 | *** part/#bzflag ExtremistCow (matt@host2.johnpar.net) |
| 14:29.26 | *** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@dialup-4.254.86.235.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) |
| 14:31.16 | SportChick | brlcad: are you on the chopping block too? |
| 14:31.58 | *** join/#bzflag ToughShooter (~ts@pD9EA708A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:35.20 | brlcad | uneasy precedent, though |
| 14:38.09 | ToughShooter | SportChick: Something is wrong with the swear list at secretplace. "or to" gets filtered, but not by the standard swear list. |
| 14:38.21 | Pimpi | brlcad: do you know "C++ The Complete Reference" by Herbert Schildt, Osbourne/McGraw-Hill ? |
| 14:39.01 | brlcad | pimpi, don't think so |
| 14:39.19 | Pimpi | te book itself loks interesting, but i read much bad about the author |
| 14:39.36 | SportChick | ts: swear filter stuff should be addressed to Nidhoggr or brlcad - I can't do anything |
| 14:43.13 | brlcad | ToughShooter: orto is in the swear list |
| 14:43.22 | brlcad | argentinian |
| 14:46.20 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Hmm, I retried it with with my local server and everything doesn't get filtered. :-% |
| 14:46.49 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/misc/multilingualSwearList.txt: or not |
| 14:47.05 | brlcad | huh? |
| 14:47.17 | brlcad | sounds like you're not filtering correctly perhaps? |
| 14:48.07 | ToughShooter | it seems so, but I haven't modified the lines that activate the filter and I am sure directory hasn't changed since then |
| 14:48.47 | brlcad | what options are you using? |
| 14:49.05 | ToughShooter | one moment, I'll put it online |
| 14:51.19 | ToughShooter | http://resfork.sourceforge.net/temp/ |
| 14:52.56 | brlcad | Grumbler: there is |
| 14:53.22 | brlcad | and the guy that runs it is a money grubbing rude bastard |
| 14:54.15 | Grumbler | so like, there isnt a free alternative out there |
| 14:54.54 | brlcad | it's free to read, not free to use/copy/reference/repeat/blink at, etc |
| 14:56.29 | ToughShooter | Any idea what could be wrong with my conf file? I run it via bzfs -cons pathToConfFile |
| 14:56.46 | ToughShooter | err, -conf |
| 14:56.56 | brlcad | ToughShooter: turn on debug, see if it's loading |
| 14:57.00 | brlcad | -d -d -d |
| 14:57.20 | brlcad | you'll see a loading line and "........"'s |
| 14:58.56 | ToughShooter | No, that line doesn't show up, that high likly means the path is wrong, I guess |
| 14:59.06 | *** join/#bzflag sgk284 (~sgk284@ws81.cs.drexel.edu) |
| 14:59.12 | sgk284 | good morning all |
| 14:59.20 | ToughShooter | hi |
| 14:59.20 | brlcad | highly likely means that it's not using the config file |
| 14:59.29 | brlcad | or it would error/warn |
| 15:00.06 | orchid | his sgk284 |
| 15:00.14 | orchid | bleh |
| 15:00.31 | sgk284 | hehe |
| 15:00.31 | ToughShooter | hmm, but it uses all the other options, just log in there and you will see it |
| 15:00.34 | sgk284 | hey orchid |
| 15:01.08 | sgk284 | ugh... s/wither/either |
| 15:01.56 | blast007 | :) |
| 15:02.54 | Grumbler | must make typing eeeewwwwwwwww difficult....lose all that valley girl language |
| 15:03.01 | sgk284 | hehe |
| 15:05.47 | sgk284 | then clearly bzflag is a superior game |
| 15:05.56 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 15:06.40 | orchid | of course, we have 2:1 server to player ratio |
| 15:06.42 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-40-145-230-24.midco.net) |
| 15:06.42 | ToughShooter | brlcad: The other options like admin password and so on _are_ used |
| 15:09.06 | brlcad | ToughShooter: post the entire debug output log |
| 15:12.27 | ToughShooter | iBuch:~ ts$ /Users/ts/Desktop/BZFlag-2.0.1\ TS-PATCHED.app/Contents/MacOS/bzfs -conf /Users/ts/Documents/BZFlag/Servers/Server.conf -dddd |
| 15:12.30 | ToughShooter | using group file "/Users/ts/Documents/BZFlag/Servers/Group Privilege Database.txt" |
| 15:12.33 | ToughShooter | using userDB file "/Users/ts/Documents/BZFlag/Servers/User Privilege Database.txt" |
| 15:12.36 | ToughShooter | using spam time of 30 |
| 15:12.38 | ToughShooter | using spam warn amount of 3 |
| 15:12.41 | ToughShooter | style: 7a |
| 15:12.43 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.46 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.48 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.51 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.53 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.55 | brlcad | i didn't mean in here |
| 15:12.56 | ToughShooter | There is a voting arbiter with the following settings: |
| 15:12.58 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.01 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.03 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.06 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.08 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.11 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.13 | ToughShooter | Running a public server with the following settings: |
| 15:13.16 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.18 | ToughShooter | curl_easy_perform() error: 28 |
| 15:13.21 | ToughShooter | Loaded master ban list from http://bzflag.org/master-bans.txt |
| 15:13.23 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.26 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.28 | ToughShooter | ColDet Octree obstacles = 1229 |
| 15:13.31 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.33 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.36 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.38 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.41 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.43 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.46 | ToughShooter | ColDet Octree leaf nodes = 456 |
| 15:13.48 | ToughShooter | ColDet Octree total nodes = 553 |
| 15:13.51 | ToughShooter | ColDet Octree total elements = 2346 |
| 15:13.53 | ToughShooter | Collision Octree processed in 0.662 seconds. |
| 15:13.56 | ToughShooter | TELE(0): /t1 |
| 15:13.58 | ToughShooter | TELE(1): /t0 |
| 15:14.01 | ToughShooter | LINKSRC: /t0:f LINKDST: /t1:b |
| 15:14.03 | ToughShooter | LINKSRC: /t0:b LINKDST: /t1:f |
| 15:14.06 | ToughShooter | LINKSRC: /t1:f LINKDST: /t0:b |
| 15:14.08 | ToughShooter | LINKSRC: /t1:b LINKDST: /t0:f |
| 15:14.11 | ToughShooter | SRC 0f: DSTS 1b |
| 15:14.11 | *** mode/#bzflag [+q ToughShooter!*@*] by brlcad |
| 15:14.49 | *** mode/#bzflag [-q ToughShooter!*@*] by brlcad |
| 15:14.51 | ToughShooter | Got line: "Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:12:11 GMT" |
| 15:14.53 | ToughShooter | Got line: "Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-2 mod_ssl/2.8.22 OpenSSL/0.9.7d" |
| 15:14.58 | ToughShooter | Got line: "X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.10-2" |
| 15:15.00 | ToughShooter | Got line: "Connection: close" |
| 15:15.02 | brlcad | *sigh* |
| 15:15.03 | ToughShooter | Got line: "Transfer-Encoding: chunked" |
| 15:15.05 | ToughShooter | Got line: "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1" |
| 15:15.08 | ToughShooter | Got line: "aa " |
| 15:15.08 | *** kick/#bzflag [ToughShooter!~brlcad@brlcad.bronze.supporter.pdpc] by brlcad (brlcad) |
| 15:15.39 | *** join/#bzflag ToughShooter (~ts@pD9EA708A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:15.46 | Grumbler | http://numanumaye.tk/ |
| 15:16.36 | orchid | :) |
| 15:17.16 | orchid | ive always suspected that was fake, I mean what office has cameras with audio? |
| 15:17.29 | Grumbler | all of them. |
| 15:17.43 | Grumbler | but the fact that the monitor isnt connected is a little suspect |
| 15:18.07 | Grumbler | and shouldnt there be a shattering sound when the monitor hits the ground |
| 15:18.59 | brlcad | ToughShooter: try quoting the badwords argument |
| 15:20.17 | brlcad | yes, that line |
| 15:20.19 | brlcad | quote it |
| 15:20.39 | ToughShooter | Into the group? |
| 15:21.30 | ToughShooter | -badwords /Users/ts/bzflag/misc/multilingualSwearList.txt |
| 15:21.40 | brlcad | huh?? |
| 15:21.42 | sgk284 | ToughShooter, next time use pastebin |
| 15:21.43 | sgk284 | :) |
| 15:21.51 | brlcad | put quotes around the filename |
| 15:23.50 | ToughShooter | doesn't make a difference |
| 15:25.53 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 15:26.10 | SportChick | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 15:26.13 | ibot | nidhoggr is currently on #brlcad #bzflag |
| 15:26.13 | Nidhoggr | SportChick: pong |
| 15:26.54 | sgk284 | hey nid and sporty |
| 15:27.22 | Nidhoggr | hiya sgk284 |
| 15:31.43 | sgk284 | wow... cingular uses vbscript on their site to disallow none IE browsers from viewing 360 degree views of phones... |
| 15:31.49 | *** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:32.23 | sgk284 | i opened the source copy and apsted the path for the flash page that was in the script and ti worked fine :/ |
| 15:33.06 | sgk284 | maybe i'm nuts but that bothers me... from the page source: ' This script will be ignored by browsers that do not support |
| 15:33.06 | sgk284 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.16 | Grumbler | sounds like you need a little numanumaye. http://www.pastiche.info/topliens/zik/numanumaye.htm |
| 15:33.47 | sgk284 | haha |
| 15:34.29 | *** join/#bzflag bz0794 (~c22c1251@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 15:37.05 | brlcad | ToughShooter: i'm still not quite believing that it's calling the config file you're editing |
| 15:37.59 | ToughShooter | brlcad: I can zip the hole stuff and upload it and you can try it yourself |
| 15:43.27 | ToughShooter | http://resfork.sourceforge.net/temp/Servers.zip (8KB) |
| 15:48.13 | *** join/#bzflag mori (~mine@robs2102.gel.usherb.ca) |
| 15:49.04 | mori | hello, I get an invalid callsign warning each time I start BZflag (latest version) I do I get this warning fixed? |
| 15:51.03 | Nidhoggr | what callsign? |
| 15:51.38 | Nidhoggr | mori: what callsign are you trying to use? |
| 15:51.42 | mori | well, my callsign in bzflag is "malade" |
| 15:51.56 | Nidhoggr | any special characters? |
| 15:52.00 | mori | no |
| 15:52.24 | Nidhoggr | let me check the list of bad words. |
| 15:54.02 | Nidhoggr | I don't think it's restricted by the bad words list. |
| 15:54.18 | Nidhoggr | it's malade, not "malade", correct? no quotes. |
| 15:54.29 | mori | yes, no quotes |
| 15:54.42 | mori | do I need to register my callsign somewhere? |
| 15:55.08 | Nidhoggr | if you go to http://my.bzflag.org/bb and register there, you can use the global login feature. |
| 15:55.31 | mori | ok, i'll try that |
| 15:55.36 | Nidhoggr | good luck |
| 15:57.02 | brlcad | ToughShooter: you've got an error in your config |
| 15:57.10 | brlcad | ToughShooter: read up on -a |
| 15:57.21 | mori | thanks |
| 15:58.51 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Do you mean -sb? |
| 15:59.02 | brlcad | what?? |
| 15:59.04 | brlcad | no i mean -a |
| 15:59.42 | brlcad | read up on -a |
| 16:03.31 | ToughShooter | I see -a takes some arguments. bzfs_conf.html had give me "-a" when I checked "Maximum Acceleration" |
| 16:07.49 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@63.147.94.145) |
| 16:14.30 | ToughShooter | without the "-a" filtering works |
| 16:20.50 | SportChick | what is length of nick requirements now? max length specifically |
| 16:21.56 | bryjen | maximum? |
| 16:22.29 | SportChick | yes, maximum |
| 16:22.39 | SportChick | "dave from downunder" wasn't able to reg his nick |
| 16:23.28 | brlcad | ToughShooter: "-a" is not valid just as is, that was the problem |
| 16:23.36 | brlcad | it was halting the file parsing |
| 16:23.59 | brlcad | or at least skipping the next option, which happened to be badwords |
| 16:24.08 | *** join/#bzflag crko (jan@crko.user) |
| 16:25.37 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Checking the "Maximum Acceleration" checkbox setting in "bzfs_conf.html" (this file is in CVS) produces a "-a" as output without any hints that this is not valid (yes, looking at the included sample one shows how to use -a..) |
| 16:25.54 | SportChick | DTRemenak: you here? |
| 16:26.07 | brlcad | ToughShooter: yes, I gathered as much |
| 16:26.07 | SportChick | bryjen: ? you can help with nick reg right? |
| 16:26.11 | SportChick | I need help on secretplace |
| 16:26.16 | brlcad | ToughShooter: feel free to provide a fix to bzfs_conf.html |
| 16:26.43 | SportChick | please |
| 16:27.20 | bryjen | hrm |
| 16:27.24 | SportChick | user is on ADSL gateway router, linux client, nick isn't identifying |
| 16:27.57 | bryjen | what's their name, SportChick? |
| 16:28.07 | *** join/#bzflag yeti (~yeti@p508CBF7E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:28.30 | yeti | can i play with a bzflag 1.10 client on a bzflag 2.0 server? |
| 16:28.46 | JBdiGriz | no |
| 16:28.48 | sgk284 | no |
| 16:28.48 | bryjen | ~wake brlcad |
| 16:28.51 | ibot | brlcad: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 16:29.06 | bryjen | at 11:30. slacker ;P |
| 16:29.08 | SportChick | bryjen: two things - he tried to register "dave from downunder" and it wouldn't let him. So he reg'd DD59 (which isn't his fav) and now tht one won't autoidentify |
| 16:29.22 | bryjen | k, looking |
| 16:29.47 | SportChick | bryjen: oky - he id'd now - can you help with name? |
| 16:30.29 | bryjen | odd. there's a space in his email. I wonder how that worked :/ |
| 16:31.13 | SportChick | bryjen: what is max char limit for nicks? |
| 16:31.37 | bryjen | it's probly something rather long. I think I see the problem tho |
| 16:31.46 | SportChick | bryjen: it's an undscore |
| 16:31.56 | SportChick | s/undscore/underscore |
| 16:32.02 | bryjen | ah. looked like a space here |
| 16:33.25 | SportChick | bryjen: so can he reg as "dave from downunder" or "DaveDownUnder? |
| 16:34.35 | bryjen | i donno. *down* is in the "Disallowed Username" control. That seems like too common a word to be in there... |
| 16:35.04 | bryjen | opinions, brlcad, DTRemenak, anyone? |
| 16:36.03 | bryjen | in the bzbb admin panel |
| 16:38.41 | bryjen | two yea's and a wtf? that's a majority, but is 3 a quorum? :) |
| 16:40.18 | brlcad | go ahead, seems silly |
| 16:40.29 | brlcad | probably was some prior abuse and that was a quick fix |
| 16:40.52 | SportChick | bryjen: done? and does he just change the name in profile? |
| 16:52.26 | bryjen | sorry, was afk. interrupted by a delivery guy with a pile of new PCs |
| 16:53.21 | bryjen | the word down is allowed now. he should be able to edit his profile and fix it up |
| 16:53.42 | orchid | !weather cyyz |
| 16:53.44 | guu | orchid: The current temperature in Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario is 10°F (11:00 AM EST on February 18, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 3°F. Wind: NNW at 18 mph (30 km/h). Pressure: 30.20 in (1023 hPa). Visibility: 15.0 miles (24.1 kilometers). UV: 3 out of 16 |
| 16:54.04 | bryjen | chilly |
| 16:58.42 | Noodle-sensei | i get to demonise the evil spammers :-) |
| 16:59.28 | Grumbler | Noodle-de-Spam |
| 16:59.31 | orchid | !spam Noodle-sensei |
| 16:59.32 | guu | orchid: WTF? |
| 16:59.39 | orchid | ~spam Noodle-sensei |
| 16:59.41 | ibot | you should get a hotmail account to spam Noodle-sensei |
| 16:59.57 | Noodle-sensei | one time i got a spam with a valid 800 number in it |
| 17:00.08 | Noodle-sensei | 'twas the source of much amusement |
| 17:00.40 | Grumbler | so, was she really a lonely housewife |
| 17:01.09 | Noodle-sensei | no, it was actually a get rich by licking stamps scheme |
| 17:01.26 | Grumbler | the mickey mouse kind? |
| 17:01.34 | Noodle-sensei | yup |
| 17:03.31 | Noodle-sensei | numa numa iei, numa numa iei, numa numa numa iei |
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| 17:08.29 | SportChick | bryjen: thanks for the help. One final question - if someone changes their name through profile, will it automatically change their names in any groups of which they are a member? |
| 17:13.07 | bryjen | i'm guessing internally it uses some kind of id#, so you're connected to groups by that, and changing your name doesn't matter |
| 17:13.19 | SportChick | good deal, thanks |
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| 17:21.51 | arze | ggod day |
| 17:22.06 | jpa_ | llalal |
| 17:22.43 | arze | where do i get nvidia mandrake driver from? |
| 17:23.05 | jpa_ | www.nvidia.com? |
| 17:23.39 | arze | yeah last time i installed that, knackered screen up |
| 17:23.52 | arze | bsd? |
| 17:23.57 | Chestal | current CVS doesn't compile for me, I guess it's a curl version problem. CURLE_LDAP_INVALID_URL undeclared (and two other symbols) |
| 17:23.59 | arze | for mandrake |
| 17:24.16 | SportChick | ~bryjen++ |
| 17:24.39 | arze | ok thanks, |
| 17:25.10 | arze | does susi linux have a desktop like mandrake? |
| 17:27.15 | arze | I've heard it said, Play BZflag on windows, run server on linux, now i see why, its cobblers for games |
| 17:28.12 | yeti | bullshit, bzflag runs great under linux (that is, if you manage to install the nvidia driver, which should be supllied by one of mandrake's urpm repositories though) |
| 17:28.25 | Pimpi | arze: usually linux players suffr less from bugs that windows players |
| 17:28.46 | Grumbler | but it runs better under windows |
| 17:29.01 | Pimpi | does it? never tried |
| 17:29.27 | Grumbler | i have tried both, under different distros....linux is not quite there |
| 17:30.30 | bryjen | Grumbler: with NV video in linux? |
| 17:31.32 | Grumbler | nvidia and ati ......with the nvidia drivers |
| 17:31.52 | Grumbler | something muddy about the linux feel |
| 17:32.57 | bryjen | the open source 3d stuff is still getting there. I'd expect nvidia's supplied drivers to be decent |
| 17:33.21 | Grumbler | the thing is, unless you go back and forth between the two, i dont think you can notice |
| 17:33.58 | Grumbler | although my scores are always better with windows |
| 17:35.12 | bryjen | ah, now the true reason emerges... ;) |
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| 18:06.00 | trepan | Chestal: which other symbols? and which CURL version do ya have? |
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| 18:07.00 | jpa_ | hello sgkiknowyouuseaolatyourhome284 |
| 18:09.07 | JeffM2501 | trepan, ever look at this one? http://g3d-cpp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:09.58 | JeffM2501 | it was in an article in the C/C++ users journal |
| 18:11.29 | sgk284 | hey jpa_! |
| 18:11.36 | sgk284 | lol |
| 18:11.42 | jpa_ | :) |
| 18:11.43 | sgk284 | look at my host ;) |
| 18:11.48 | jpa_ | yup |
| 18:11.59 | sgk284 | you cant prove anything! |
| 18:12.00 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 18:12.04 | jpa_ | i can :) |
| 18:12.10 | sgk284 | heh |
| 18:12.21 | jpa_ | 08:17:08 -!- sgk284 [~stevek@ACA14CDD.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] |
| 18:12.43 | sgk284 | woah where'd you get that from? |
| 18:12.52 | Grumbler | jpa_< did you post your map anywhere, i couldnt find it on the servers last night |
| 18:13.29 | jpa_ | Grumbler: what map? |
| 18:13.50 | trepan | JeffM2501: don't think i ever downloaded it |
| 18:13.50 | Grumbler | oceans....i think that was the name.... |
| 18:13.57 | jpa_ | sgk284: in the scroll-back-log of my client? |
| 18:14.01 | Grumbler | big rocks, wings only |
| 18:14.06 | Grumbler | lots of water |
| 18:14.17 | jpa_ | Grumbler: hmm, http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/ocean.bzw |
| 18:15.02 | Grumbler | thnx, i needed a starting point |
| 18:15.05 | jpa_ | the server is down because evil people used it too much, and i had no time to adming |
| 18:15.12 | JeffM2501 | gonna take a look at it |
| 18:15.24 | Grumbler | jpa_< didnt know you played your own server ;) |
| 18:15.31 | jpa_ | also, http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/ if you have not seen before |
| 18:16.10 | Grumbler | looks nicely done |
| 18:16.26 | JeffM2501 | hmm and it supports using wxWidgets for interface stuff in the engine. |
| 18:16.40 | jpa_ | ocean, for instance, is not nicely done :P |
| 18:16.51 | jpa_ | it is ugly code :( |
| 18:16.56 | jpa_ | "code" |
| 18:17.24 | Grumbler | me->him |
| 18:17.25 | jpa_ | :) |
| 18:17.35 | jpa_ | rocks are by trepan :) |
| 18:18.06 | Grumbler | yeah, but trepan doesnt keep his stuff up long enough for us old people to get to it... |
| 18:18.26 | jpa_ | yup |
| 18:18.39 | jpa_ | and he does not have commented versions available |
| 18:18.49 | Grumbler | heh |
| 18:19.03 | jpa_ | but, bzmap 2.0 shall solve all our map problems :) |
| 18:19.18 | jpa_ | now we just have to buy cods more cola to get it done :) |
| 18:19.49 | Grumbler | thought cods was french.....the french dont drink cola ;) |
| 18:20.04 | jpa_ | dont they? strange people! |
| 18:20.12 | Grumbler | heh |
| 18:20.50 | cods | yes ! Help me to survive by sending me cola :) |
| 18:21.06 | jpa_ | you do not drink cola |
| 18:22.17 | jpa_ | so you are not french?!? |
| 18:22.17 | jpa_ | or is Grumbler lying :P |
| 18:22.18 | cods | what I supposed a french to drink ? :) |
| 18:22.22 | cods | I->is |
| 18:22.30 | cods | water ? :) |
| 18:22.37 | jpa_ | dunno |
| 18:22.42 | jpa_ | maybe they do not drink |
| 18:23.20 | menotume | SportChick: ANy luck with 2.0 yet ? |
| 18:27.07 | Grumbler | wine....never water :) |
| 18:27.24 | SportChick | menotume: you mean the lag, jitter and nr? no - no one is helping me |
| 18:27.45 | Grumbler | SportChick< its probably all in your head. |
| 18:27.48 | poxy | heh |
| 18:27.57 | poxy | cant rule that one out |
| 18:28.20 | poxy | pouting makes wrinkles |
| 18:28.25 | jpa_ | Grumbler: oh, so there is something in SportChick's head? |
| 18:28.32 | Grumbler | have you looked to see if there are some nasty things on your computer causing these issues |
| 18:28.56 | SportChick | grumbler, how could I suddenly have issues with 2.0 that did not exist in the slightest in 1.10? |
| 18:29.18 | Grumbler | have you gone back to 1.10 and seen that the issues dont exist there |
| 18:29.35 | SportChick | Grumbler: yes, I've tried that - they do not exist |
| 18:29.59 | Grumbler | have you wiped out your config file and reset all your display options |
| 18:30.00 | SportChick | Grumbler: with 1.10 I had 32 ms +- 0 (max would be +- 3) |
| 18:30.33 | SportChick | now my +- number is anywhere between 24 and 64 |
| 18:30.33 | bryjen | !lart 6 Grumbler |
| 18:30.35 | poxy | is your game worse or are you just complaining about the numbers? |
| 18:30.47 | SportChick | we have tried all sorts of display option changes - to no avail |
| 18:30.57 | Grumbler | have you wiped your config |
| 18:31.02 | sgk284 | SportChick, do you feel the jitter is accurately represented? i.e. do you feel the jitter in the game or maybe the algorithm is just messing up |
| 18:31.07 | SportChick | poxy: game play is jumpy, many times folks complain that I am nr (when I don't appear to be nr) |
| 18:31.17 | poxy | i see |
| 18:31.19 | sgk284 | hrmm okay |
| 18:31.23 | jpa_ | SportChick: how much fps are you getting? |
| 18:31.31 | SportChick | sgk284: sometimes I see jitter. often others see it when I dont |
| 18:31.33 | jpa_ | SportChick: you see them with "t" |
| 18:31.37 | Birdie | you have it on every server sportchick? |
| 18:31.38 | SportChick | jpa_: fps is 45-70 |
| 18:31.41 | sgk284 | SportChick, on all servers? |
| 18:32.00 | SportChick | Birdie: it appears to be on every server, lathough the higher the lag, the highter the jitter |
| 18:32.20 | Birdie | thats very strange |
| 18:32.21 | sgk284 | you may want to do a traceroute and see if somethign is going on |
| 18:32.38 | SportChick | sgk284: great idea, but my isp blocks tracerouting |
| 18:32.41 | Birdie | i have it on one server, that i go nr for a strange reason although my lag is low |
| 18:32.43 | SportChick | I can't do one |
| 18:32.47 | sgk284 | ouch |
| 18:33.05 | sgk284 | thats wierd...never heard of an isp doing such a thing |
| 18:33.11 | SportChick | Birdie: same here - lag is 32 ms, but I go nr. The problem appears to be the jitter number |
| 18:33.21 | SportChick | sgk284: yeah, stupid adelphia in cali |
| 18:33.23 | Birdie | your jitter is high in lagstats? |
| 18:33.39 | Birdie | its very strange i have it only on one server, but you on all.. |
| 18:33.45 | Grumbler | SportChick< is anybody else on your isp seeing the same problem |
| 18:33.55 | SportChick | but fort he record, I am in a totally diff location now - in Berkeley not at home and still getting same effect through their connection |
| 18:34.05 | poxy | ohhhh, Berkeley |
| 18:34.15 | SportChick | Grumbler: no idea - odn't know anyone else in LA on adelphia that plays |
| 18:34.16 | poxy | LSD & BSD were their two major contributions to society |
| 18:34.18 | jpa_ | umm.. the same computer or another one? |
| 18:34.24 | sgk284 | different connection, same computer? |
| 18:34.25 | SportChick | jpa_: same laptop |
| 18:34.31 | SportChick | sgk284: yes |
| 18:34.36 | Birdie | problem is your laptop than |
| 18:34.46 | Birdie | but dunno why.. |
| 18:34.51 | SportChick | why is my laptop a problem when it worked perfectly well in 1.10 |
| 18:35.02 | Birdie | eh.. |
| 18:35.13 | sgk284 | SportChick, running an official release or cvs? |
| 18:35.21 | SportChick | sgk284: also the st/cl issue came up again today. However, it was ME they were accusing of having both and I didn't have ANY flag - so I suspect it is related to lag |
| 18:35.26 | SportChick | sgk284: official release |
| 18:35.52 | sgk284 | so i assume you didnt compile it either, right? |
| 18:35.56 | SportChick | nope |
| 18:36.08 | SportChick | DL from bzflag.org (or was it sourceforge.net) |
| 18:36.26 | sgk284 | remember when we used to play 1.11? did you notice the problems then? |
| 18:36.39 | SportChick | Birdie: no worries - sorry, I'm just frustrated. I've been having this problem eversince the change to 2.0 and no fix |
| 18:36.47 | SportChick | sgk284: I had no problems whatsoever in 1.11 |
| 18:37.19 | Grumbler | SportChick< are you caching the list server? |
| 18:37.34 | Birdie | you dont have to be sry sportchick.., i hope you will find the problem soon |
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| 18:37.47 | SportChick | Grumbler: no |
| 18:37.49 | sgk284 | arg... a lot has changed in 2.0 so its kind of hard to track it down... |
| 18:38.13 | SportChick | sgk284: for the record, others have complained about similar issues - just most of them don't use irc |
| 18:38.29 | SportChick | at first I thought it was only windows, but I've heard complaints on linux now too |
| 18:39.27 | sgk284 | yea i've heard a few complaints too, some are accurate, but unfortunately alot of people blame the wrong thing (i.e. blame bzflag when in reality they have graphics settings way too high and/or are on dialup) |
| 18:39.41 | menowin | SportChick: tupid question, you may have already answered, but has to be asked .... |
| 18:39.45 | jpa_ | sgk284: just make a diff and go it through line-by-line :) |
| 18:39.45 | sgk284 | but what your describing is definitly a problem :/ |
| 18:40.05 | menowin | are you trying both 1.10 and 2.0 on the same computer, same conection, etc. ? |
| 18:40.06 | sgk284 | jpa_, heh |
| 18:40.19 | Birdie | you have a second pc to sportchick where you can try it at? |
| 18:40.26 | SportChick | menowin: yes, but not at the same time :) |
| 18:40.32 | menowin | lol :) |
| 18:40.37 | Birdie | same time is working here anyway |
| 18:40.42 | SportChick | Birdie: no, not right now - only this one with me |
| 18:41.06 | Grumbler | yeah, it would be nice to see if you have the same problems on a lan network |
| 18:41.09 | SportChick | other computer is much slower though - it's the one I used to use before I got this one in Sept. That one only has about 12 fps |
| 18:41.29 | Grumbler | you only need it to be a server |
| 18:41.31 | Birdie | i had only 19fps on 2.0 till some time ago |
| 18:41.40 | menowin | she joined my server here yesterday, and it was just like she says - high jitter, and spurious NRs |
| 18:41.52 | SportChick | Grumbler: at home we run the computers off a router |
| 18:41.54 | menowin | lag itself was reasonable - around 100ms |
| 18:42.24 | jpa_ | SportChick: just so i can see, could you connect to my server (it is in the server list) |
| 18:42.40 | SportChick | menowin: my litmus test is secretplace, since i play ther the most. consistently have 32 ms lag, but the jitter has skyrocketed |
| 18:42.43 | SportChick | jpa_: yes |
| 18:43.01 | Grumbler | heh, read that as lithium test....... |
| 18:43.14 | sgk284 | SportChick, when you have time to fool around a bit try turning off all graphics stuff so your playing with nothing but solid colored polygons, see if the problem persist |
| 18:43.46 | menowin | and, turn depth buffer on |
| 18:43.51 | sgk284 | yea |
| 18:44.26 | poxy | when I try to play bzflag, my 3d card uses so much power, my 61W power supply dips voltage so low the video card reboots :) |
| 18:44.28 | sgk284 | just want to try to at least isolate the problem... might turn out all these people with the problem share the same video card and bzflag does something the driver for the card doesnt like |
| 18:44.35 | poxy | the system still lives, the video card dies |
| 18:44.44 | sgk284 | :) |
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| 18:45.13 | sgk284 | poxy, wow... what card? |
| 18:45.23 | poxy | sgk284: heh, ati rage 128... |
| 18:45.30 | poxy | its from 2000 |
| 18:45.46 | sgk284 | heh no worries... i run bzflag on an i830 |
| 18:45.47 | sgk284 | :) |
| 18:45.55 | poxy | sgk284: the funny thing is that tuxracer doesnt use quite as much power, and i can play that all day ;) |
| 18:46.09 | poxy | although i hate that game |
| 18:49.22 | menowin | hmmm perhpas the SYNC_TO_VBLANK will help reduce the computing power (tupoe taught me that one) |
| 18:49.24 | jpa_ | yup.. strange |
| 18:49.36 | jpa_ | the jitter rises the longer sportchick plays |
| 18:49.54 | menowin | ahhh, SportChick: what is your FPS ? |
| 18:50.11 | jpa_ | was 193+-26 now |
| 18:50.25 | jpa_ | menowin: asked already, >40 |
| 18:50.44 | menowin | k - sry - am at other computer |
| 18:51.34 | SportChick | turned absolutely everything off except depth buffer and jitter was still 13 when I first came in - can't stand to play in that mode for long |
| 18:51.47 | SportChick | menowin: fps ranges from 41-65 |
| 18:51.48 | sgk284 | grr |
| 18:52.14 | menowin | do you remember what it was on 1.10 ? |
| 18:52.20 | menowin | approx. |
| 18:52.21 | SportChick | fps? hrm |
| 18:52.25 | SportChick | probably about the same |
| 18:52.29 | menowin | k |
| 18:54.23 | poxy | SportChick: i've played at 3fps on a dual pentium mmx 233 with a pci trident card... |
| 18:54.57 | poxy | 4mb...no acceleration |
| 18:55.21 | jpa_ | SportChick: have you noticed anything else.. like heavy harddisk activity while playing or anything like that? |
| 18:55.37 | SportChick | jpa_: no, not really |
| 18:56.10 | jpa_ | could you reinstall windows so we can be sure it is not that? ,) |
| 18:56.16 | SportChick | no |
| 18:56.21 | SportChick | :p |
| 18:56.30 | poxy | its been confirmed that 1.10 works fine and 1.11 works fine |
| 18:56.35 | menowin | I'm afraid I'm out of ideas :( Have reached the limit of my knowledge here perhaps. |
| 18:57.30 | poxy | SportChick: Grumbler was able to help me find a powr supply that's the same size as my 61Watt one... original: http://81.201.129.146/hitek/pdf/int.pdf |
| 18:57.35 | menowin | SportChick: most here have much more knowledge than me :) |
| 18:57.59 | SportChick | poxy: okay - but I'm not sure how that bears on me |
| 18:58.19 | Grumbler | SportChick< i asked before, but i thought i might again, have you deleted your old configs |
| 18:58.37 | SportChick | Grumbler: I believe so, yes. |
| 18:59.02 | Grumbler | ok, i had a problem with 1.11 configs borking my 2.0 client |
| 19:02.22 | Noodle-sensei | macheads are so silly |
| 19:02.37 | Noodle-sensei | they speculate and make up all sorts of silly rumors |
| 19:02.50 | menowin | macheads are noodleheads |
| 19:03.29 | Grumbler | macheads? |
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| 19:04.53 | TheRedbar | eh? |
| 19:05.19 | Noodle-sensei | and they wait in line all night to get the latest release of mac os x |
| 19:05.31 | Noodle-sensei | just silly |
| 19:05.42 | menowin | it worked TRB ? |
| 19:05.47 | TheRedBaron | yep |
| 19:05.53 | menowin | what did u did ? |
| 19:05.56 | TheRedBaron | nothing |
| 19:06.00 | TheRedBaron | uninstalled it |
| 19:06.07 | TheRedBaron | got a fresh download and viola |
| 19:06.14 | menowin | hmmm |
| 19:07.07 | TheRedBaron | sportChick: don't |
| 19:07.19 | menowin | TheRedBaron joins the group of 'real' irc users - no more CGI 'client' :) |
| 19:07.20 | TheRedBaron | keep trying, and it will work |
| 19:07.35 | TheRedBaron | yea, where's brlcad! |
| 19:07.39 | TheRedBaron | brlcad: pin |
| 19:07.42 | TheRedBaron | brlcad: ping |
| 19:08.10 | TheRedBaron | ~whaleslap brlcad |
| 19:08.13 | ibot | ACTION slaps brlcad upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 19:08.13 | Grumbler | trying to get brlcad on pins and needles rarley works |
| 19:09.30 | TheRedBaron | Grumbler, then what works? |
| 19:09.51 | Grumbler | food, send him some krispy kremes |
| 19:10.08 | Grumbler | or susi |
| 19:10.17 | TheRedBaron | or tofu? |
| 19:10.18 | menowin | brlcad: FREE BEER !! |
| 19:10.19 | Grumbler | or both |
| 19:10.25 | Noodle-sensei | donuts, w00p |
| 19:10.47 | Grumbler | going for that Fat-Noodle-sensei eh |
| 19:10.55 | menowin | SportChick: what WinDoze are you using? XP ? |
| 19:11.04 | SportChick | menowin: xp |
| 19:11.10 | SportChick | xp pro to be exact |
| 19:11.14 | menowin | k |
| 19:11.24 | menowin | XP regular here (SP2) |
| 19:11.39 | Grumbler | oh, xp pro, oh yeah, that sucks.....uninstall it and load win95. :) |
| 19:11.51 | menowin | there you go |
| 19:12.00 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, what was your problem, I was working |
| 19:12.00 | Noodle-sensei | Grumbler: i'm hardly fat :-) |
| 19:12.04 | TheRedBaron | sportchick: don't worry, I know a lawyer with this motto, "if you'r not part of the solution, there's good money to be made in prolonging the problem" |
| 19:12.40 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I still have never been able to resolved the lag/jitter/nr problems I've been having since day 1 of 2.0 |
| 19:12.59 | SportChick | TheRedBaron: I am a lawyer and that's a horrible motto |
| 19:13.06 | JeffM2501 | are all your graphic setings on? |
| 19:13.12 | JeffM2501 | and like turned up? |
| 19:13.19 | JeffM2501 | your card will run like crud if you turn stuff off |
| 19:13.23 | TheRedBaron | Sportchick: i love that motto :) |
| 19:13.49 | JeffM2501 | tho NR is probably not related to graphics |
| 19:14.12 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I've done it with everything on, everything off (except depth buffering) and there is no difference in the jitter stat |
| 19:14.26 | JeffM2501 | were the 1.11.x beta's better for you? |
| 19:14.29 | JeffM2501 | or the same? |
| 19:14.40 | SportChick | the 1.11 betas worked perfectly |
| 19:15.01 | JeffM2501 | the dif between them is DTR built 2.0, I built your betas |
| 19:15.03 | SportChick | which is why I was so shocked to have problems with 2.0 |
| 19:15.07 | JeffM2501 | let me build you a 2.0 |
| 19:15.12 | SportChick | thank you |
| 19:15.17 | JeffM2501 | "old school" style |
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| 19:15.34 | TheRedBaron | I would say the 1.11 betas never showed lag problems becuase there never was high traffic on the beta servers... |
| 19:15.48 | TheRedBaron | or that was my experience. |
| 19:15.58 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, they often had the same player counts as they do now |
| 19:15.59 | menowin | I'd like to try JeffM2501's build too |
| 19:16.04 | SportChick | TheRedBaron: my problems in 2.0 are irrespective of how busy the servers are |
| 19:16.13 | bryjen | SportChick seems to have unnatural lag though :/ |
| 19:16.15 | TheRedBaron | Sportchick: sorry then. |
| 19:16.41 | TheRedBaron | I've just heard complaints from numerous people, that 2.0 seems to have more "traffic" lag/jitter problems than 1.10.X |
| 19:16.57 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 generates less trafic then 1.10 |
| 19:17.10 | JeffM2501 | the maps have higher graphical requirements |
| 19:17.14 | TheRedBaron | example, Rufitos, he plays on ducati 1.10 and has less lag then on ducati 2.0. |
| 19:17.18 | SportChick | TheRedBaron: no reason to be sorry - just letting you know |
| 19:17.18 | menowin | even with the comm to m.b.o ? |
| 19:17.22 | bryjen | there was an accounting issue in the lag kick of 2.0-release that caused premature kicking |
| 19:17.34 | JeffM2501 | menowin, that's a one shot thing when you join |
| 19:17.46 | JeffM2501 | it's not a per frame or per update thing |
| 19:17.52 | menowin | ohh, ok - cause I see scores being tracked |
| 19:18.01 | JeffM2501 | it did that before |
| 19:18.06 | JeffM2501 | with list server updates |
| 19:18.08 | menowin | nvm - I'll be looking at that this weekend |
| 19:18.11 | JeffM2501 | and it's done that in many of the betas |
| 19:18.15 | menowin | ahhh |
| 19:18.18 | JeffM2501 | so her beta's would have been bad |
| 19:18.23 | menowin | gotya |
| 19:18.25 | JeffM2501 | the last beta was basicly the same as 2.0 |
| 19:18.52 | JeffM2501 | good lord look at all them warnings, don't you nixies have compliant compilers? ;) |
| 19:19.30 | menowin | I can confirm that lagSTATS are higher in 2.0 (about 15%), but perhaps stats logic has changed. |
| 19:19.38 | bryjen | MeBigFatGuy normally sweeps them up |
| 19:19.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah he does |
| 19:20.05 | JeffM2501 | menowin, it's more accurate now |
| 19:20.14 | menowin | :) |
| 19:20.30 | TheRedBaron | so we really do have higher lag? |
| 19:21.14 | JeffM2501 | it's computing a closer to real latency |
| 19:21.21 | orange | you should put in a patch in the next release: lag=lag*0.8; |
| 19:21.22 | JeffM2501 | the latency hasn't changed |
| 19:21.26 | orange | that will help reduce lag |
| 19:21.26 | bryjen | if JeffM2501 is right about it being more accurate, you have the lag you always did, you just didn't know it ;) |
| 19:21.31 | JeffM2501 | it just wasn'treported right |
| 19:21.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:21.49 | TheRedBaron | I like orange's idea... |
| 19:22.08 | JeffM2501 | just make a -realitydistortionfactor option |
| 19:22.09 | bryjen | orange: s/.8// |
| 19:22.18 | orange | bryjen: hehe |
| 19:22.25 | orange | anarchy |
| 19:23.17 | JeffM2501 | lets see if a clean tree builds, cus my dev one don't |
| 19:24.07 | bryjen | it had to have built for someone at least once |
| 19:24.21 | JeffM2501 | current CVS? |
| 19:24.23 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 19:24.32 | bryjen | uhm, 2.0.0 |
| 19:24.33 | JeffM2501 | not if DTR is in nix mode |
| 19:24.38 | JeffM2501 | I'm doing cvs head |
| 19:24.43 | JeffM2501 | it's compatable |
| 19:24.58 | JeffM2501 | and less buggy |
| 19:25.20 | JeffM2501 | nope, cvs head is busted |
| 19:25.27 | bryjen | yeah, that's good. unless it don't build ;) |
| 19:25.31 | bryjen | heh |
| 19:26.04 | JeffM2501 | guess no more windows versions |
| 19:26.08 | JeffM2501 | or a file is missing |
| 19:26.30 | bryjen | Works for Me(tm) |
| 19:26.49 | Grumbler | whoohoo, no more windows, no more books, no more bill gates funky looks |
| 19:26.54 | menowin | Windoze is no longer supported. All users must convert to *nix |
| 19:27.02 | JeffM2501 | tell that to sportchick |
| 19:27.03 | trepan | JeffM2501: what's broken? |
| 19:27.06 | TheRedBaron | and me :) |
| 19:27.17 | JeffM2501 | looks like peekevent in windisplay |
| 19:27.19 | JeffM2501 | looking now |
| 19:27.31 | trepan | should be stubbed |
| 19:27.49 | JeffM2501 | it was missed in the header |
| 19:27.50 | *** join/#bzflag learner (~brlcad@brlcad.bronze.supporter.pdpc) |
| 19:27.50 | JeffM2501 | fixing |
| 19:27.51 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o learner] by ChanServ |
| 19:28.31 | trepan | imlpementing? |
| 19:28.33 | JeffM2501 | it was subbed |
| 19:28.39 | JeffM2501 | it just wasn't declared in the header |
| 19:28.42 | trepan | missing in the header |
| 19:28.56 | trepan | windows have a function to do that? |
| 19:29.02 | JeffM2501 | so the compiler said it could not instance a class that still had an outstanding pure virtual memember |
| 19:29.05 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 19:29.10 | JeffM2501 | peekmessage |
| 19:29.11 | Birdie | grumbler: you are the one that gave me the idea to put a new line in my bz file , to make my fps higher, i have 14 on a server now:( |
| 19:29.18 | Birdie | any other ideas? |
| 19:29.34 | Grumbler | me, what did i do? |
| 19:29.48 | TheRedBaron | learner: ping pong |
| 19:30.11 | learner | hmm? |
| 19:30.13 | Grumbler | what new line? ....i only said to delete the config |
| 19:30.32 | trepan | JeffM2501: better for a winnie to do it then i ;) |
| 19:30.40 | TheRedBaron | learner: for your satisfaction, I am in this channel without using CGI:IRC |
| 19:30.43 | Grumbler | ....and second, why are you listening to me.......nobody listens to me, not even my dogs |
| 19:30.54 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACD49553.ipt.aol.com) |
| 19:30.58 | learner | ~TheRedBaron++ |
| 19:31.00 | JeffM2501 | I just added it |
| 19:31.07 | learner | excellent baron :) |
| 19:31.10 | TheRedBaron | learne: i'm using mIRC |
| 19:31.24 | Grumbler | oy mirc, thats ugly |
| 19:31.28 | creeperz | http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx |
| 19:31.44 | JeffM2501 | tho I should probalby put the windows to bzfs message maping in a function |
| 19:31.49 | TheRedBaron | nah, looks similar to CGI, so the change was too painful :) |
| 19:31.50 | JeffM2501 | since it's the same for peek and get |
| 19:31.59 | trepan | JeffM2501: ya, did a setupEvent() in SDL |
| 19:32.20 | menowin | Grumbler: would you recommend X-Chat for windows ? |
| 19:32.55 | TheRedBaron | would he reccomend windows? |
| 19:33.00 | Grumbler | menowin< eh, for some things yes, for some things no..........its small and mostly complete....does not handle utf all that well |
| 19:33.32 | Grumbler | i mozilla's client, but it loads up the mozilla crap and gets to be a bit bloated |
| 19:33.34 | TheRedBaron | all i needed was somethign other than CGI to keep the learner happy :) |
| 19:33.55 | Grumbler | TheRedBaron< keeping learner happy is a requirement |
| 19:34.27 | Grumbler | we are setting up a krispy kreme paypal account for him as i speak |
| 19:34.46 | JeffM2501 | so the idea of peek is to get the message but not remove it from the que? |
| 19:34.49 | trepan | JeffM2501: guess noone has tried the downloading junk in windows yet :) |
| 19:34.53 | trepan | JeffM2501: yup |
| 19:35.06 | JeffM2501 | doubt anyone has built it at all |
| 19:35.12 | TheRedBaron | Grumbler: really?!?! what did he do to deserve it? |
| 19:35.13 | SportChick | menowin: I use xchat for windows and like it just fine |
| 19:35.20 | trepan | JeffM2501: you doing a build with curl ? |
| 19:35.30 | trepan | (preferably static) |
| 19:36.49 | learner | hehe |
| 19:37.28 | learner | mm.. krispy kreme |
| 19:38.15 | menowin | TheRedBaron: you are crazy |
| 19:38.53 | learner | oh and you're not? |
| 19:39.05 | menowin | sure I am - and prooud of it |
| 19:39.51 | TheRedBaron | mewnowin: hmmm not working yet. |
| 19:39.56 | TheRedBaron | and besides... |
| 19:40.12 | TheRedBaron | I didn't say here!!! you were supposed to do it elsewhere... |
| 19:40.20 | menowin | hehe |
| 19:40.24 | TheRedBaron | now i've got alot of explaining to do here.. |
| 19:40.32 | menowin | nahhh - let it go :) |
| 19:40.40 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 19:40.59 | TheRedBaron | learner: what irc client do you use? |
| 19:41.52 | learner | irssi and ircle usually |
| 19:41.55 | menowin | irssi v0.8.9 |
| 19:42.44 | JeffM2501 | trepan, I allways build with the curl DLL |
| 19:43.04 | JeffM2501 | it's what windows is set up for |
| 19:43.27 | Noodle-sensei | http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx |
| 19:43.54 | JeffM2501 | guu pown is "pwn": A typo-deliberate version of own, a slang term that means to dominate. This could also be spelled "0\/\/n3d" or "pwn3d," among other variations. Online video game bullies or "griefers" often use this term. |
| 19:44.21 | SportChick | sgk284: is global ghosting supposed to be working now? |
| 19:44.30 | sgk284 | on secretplace yes |
| 19:44.33 | sgk284 | its in cvs |
| 19:44.45 | SportChick | sgk284: how? kitty tried and couldn't |
| 19:44.48 | sgk284 | but its automagic... i.e. no /ghost command |
| 19:44.50 | SportChick | or has it not been implemented yet |
| 19:44.59 | SportChick | sgk284: it doesn't seem to work |
| 19:45.07 | JeffM2501 | good lord who wrote this? |
| 19:45.10 | sgk284 | i dunno what version of the server nid is running... i thought he had recompiled but maybe he never did |
| 19:45.11 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.17 | JeffM2501 | set is a class not a struct |
| 19:45.40 | sgk284 | sportchick, err i can find out i think, give me a second |
| 19:46.16 | JeffM2501 | ahhh glorious warningless compiles :) |
| 19:46.45 | JeffM2501 | tho I could not complain about the stuctage, I do typedefs all the time when I don't need to, cus of old C habbits |
| 19:47.03 | sgk284 | jeff dont feel bad about warnings... after compiling novell's netmail source i've been desensitized to seeing literally 10's of thousands of them scrolling by my window... |
| 19:47.05 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 19:47.19 | JeffM2501 | still dosn't make them right |
| 19:47.33 | sgk284 | of course it doesnt... i cant stand the things |
| 19:47.34 | JeffM2501 | bzflag on windows has built without warnings for a long time now |
| 19:47.44 | sgk284 | yea and its a good thing:) |
| 19:47.46 | TheRedBaron | ~whaleslap sgk284 for being sarcastic |
| 19:47.48 | ibot | ACTION slaps sgk284 for being sarcastic upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 19:47.55 | Grumbler | well, up until DTR took over :) |
| 19:48.03 | sgk284 | haha |
| 19:48.32 | JeffM2501 | no he's prety good about geting rid of them too when he builds on windows |
| 19:48.49 | sgk284 | the thing is... so many people ignore warnings then they are there for a reason... and usually a good reason..and usually point to a previously unseen problem |
| 19:49.02 | sgk284 | it irks me :) |
| 19:49.10 | sgk284 | ~irk |
| 19:49.24 | JeffM2501 | well on a GCC build, thre is just SO much text, it's understandable that you can't sort the warnings form the generic " I did this file" crap |
| 19:49.36 | JeffM2501 | this is why I prefer an IDE |
| 19:49.43 | JeffM2501 | every compile generates 3 tabs |
| 19:49.47 | sgk284 | its pipe it through grep:) |
| 19:49.47 | JeffM2501 | 1 for raw output |
| 19:49.54 | JeffM2501 | 1 for warnings |
| 19:49.57 | sgk284 | s/its/ |
| 19:50.01 | JeffM2501 | and 1 for error tasks |
| 19:50.24 | JeffM2501 | if you have to pipe it thru grep all the time, why not make it do that by default? :) |
| 19:50.27 | sgk284 | jeff, you can do that with gcc by passing an argument |
| 19:50.36 | JeffM2501 | then why isn't it the default? |
| 19:50.40 | sgk284 | but yea ide's are convenient |
| 19:50.58 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure GCC can do everyting the ide can, it's just burried somehwere in an option |
| 19:52.07 | sgk284 | eclipse's c++ module works really well with gcc and is getting better:) has most of the features you'd expect in a c++ ide |
| 19:53.12 | sgk284 | SportChick, you there? |
| 19:53.29 | SportChick | yes |
| 19:53.47 | sgk284 | can you log on to secretplace as sgk284 and no password or jsut a wrong password? |
| 19:53.54 | SportChick | ok |
| 19:54.08 | sgk284 | if you get kicked in a few seconds autoghosting is working |
| 19:55.24 | SportChick | sgk284: that worked, but the question I have is what if the first person is logged on with a correct password |
| 19:55.28 | JeffM2501 | trepan was a new file added? |
| 19:55.36 | JeffM2501 | for downloads::dodownload() ? |
| 19:55.41 | sgk284 | it will still kick you |
| 19:55.50 | SportChick | in other words - you log on properly and you get disconnected, but you still show up on sp - then you try and log back in |
| 19:56.14 | SportChick | I think I can test - hold on |
| 19:57.20 | SportChick | sgk284: yes it works |
| 19:57.23 | SportChick | ty |
| 19:57.25 | sgk284 | :) |
| 19:57.26 | sgk284 | sure |
| 19:57.38 | sgk284 | okay i'm off to class |
| 19:57.55 | JeffM2501 | is <strings.h> a valid header on nix? |
| 19:58.53 | TheRedBaron | ~menotume++ |
| 19:59.55 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, I have to fix things, I'll have it done after lunch |
| 20:00.22 | SportChick | JeffM2501: no problem! thanks so much for the help |
| 20:00.26 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 20:00.54 | SportChick | ~JeffM2501 |
| 20:00.55 | trepan | JeffM2501: yup, src/bzflag/Downloads.[cxx|h] |
| 20:01.03 | SportChick | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 20:01.11 | SportChick | ~sgk284++ |
| 20:01.16 | SportChick | ~menotume++ |
| 20:01.21 | SportChick | ~Birdie++ |
| 20:01.28 | SportChick | ~bryjen++ |
| 20:01.31 | SportChick | ~jpa_++ |
| 20:01.36 | JeffM2501 | and a lot of menus it seems trepan |
| 20:01.40 | SportChick | ~Grumbler++ |
| 20:01.58 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/platform/ (WinDisplay.cxx WinDisplay.h): define and implement a peekmessage for windows platform |
| 20:01.59 | trepan | CacheMenu |
| 20:02.03 | JeffM2501 | options meny |
| 20:02.08 | JeffM2501 | I think I got them all |
| 20:02.11 | SportChick | ~trepan++ |
| 20:02.26 | bryjen | trepan: bless you |
| 20:02.34 | SportChick | ~poxy++ |
| 20:03.07 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/include/BzMaterial.h: std::set is a class, can't have it typedefed as a struct |
| 20:03.50 | Birdie | thx sportchick:) |
| 20:03.56 | *** part/#bzflag _sedna (~sedna@cotton.lonelylion.com) |
| 20:04.07 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/game/CacheManager.cxx: <strings.h> isn't a valid header its <string> |
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| 20:05.12 | *** part/#bzflag menowin (~newbie@pcp08396790pcs.cnclrk01.pa.comcast.net) |
| 20:06.08 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/ (bzflag.vcproj game.vcproj): new files for downloads by the pan of tre |
| 20:06.42 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/game/CacheManager.cxx: don't include <string> twice, use <string.h> |
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| 20:10.15 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/package/win32/installer_2.0.nsi: make installer not use such a stupid install dir, and be per version. |
| 20:11.30 | Birdie | to improve fps(except changing bz options,allready took the best ones)ideas? i play with 15 on 2.0 and i hate it:( |
| 20:12.35 | trepan | without chaning any options? get a better machine, or fix your current setup if there a problem (new drivers, etc...) |
| 20:13.04 | Birdie | i changed the options |
| 20:13.07 | Birdie | but isnt helping |
| 20:13.16 | Birdie | i got like 35 some time ago, but its worser again:( |
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| 20:14.38 | brlcad | Birdie: lower your screen resolution, turn off the score, make the chat panel smaller -- should all help |
| 20:15.06 | *** part/#bzflag Jenna (~Jenna@209.8.233.228) |
| 20:15.13 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, I lied, http://my.bzflag.org/builds/2.0.x/ |
| 20:15.32 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I build a 2.0.1 to see if it would help SC |
| 20:15.43 | DTRemenak | yup, I read :) |
| 20:15.47 | SportChick | saving now |
| 20:15.57 | JeffM2501 | only dif between the betas that worked, and 2.0.0 is that I made the betas |
| 20:16.05 | JeffM2501 | tho I build my own curl this time too |
| 20:16.11 | JeffM2501 | but it's an older version |
| 20:16.21 | DTRemenak | SportChick: when did the betas stop working? |
| 20:16.28 | JeffM2501 | plus this one has the download stuff in it. |
| 20:16.50 | SportChick | DTRemenak: to my knowledge, all the betas worked fine for me until 2.0 - but I wasn't downloading daily |
| 20:17.41 | DTRemenak | I did 1.11.32 through the 1.11.38 and the RCs. Just wondering if they were different than before |
| 20:18.03 | SportChick | grrr - can't open file - says "no fonts found" |
| 20:18.34 | DTRemenak | SportChick: is there a data directory? |
| 20:18.53 | SportChick | no |
| 20:18.57 | SportChick | should I copy it in? |
| 20:19.05 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 20:19.36 | DTRemenak | I bet JeffM2501 used the NSIS 2 installer script that he never finished writing :) |
| 20:20.02 | SportChick | do I need to copy in the doc directory too? there isn't one of those either |
| 20:20.10 | DTRemenak | no, data is all that matters |
| 20:21.47 | DTRemenak | ah, yeah :) |
| 20:21.55 | Grumbler | "well, up until DTR took over :)" |
| 20:21.58 | DTRemenak | big problem is that I only spend maybe 15% of my time in Windows :) |
| 20:23.11 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, were your betas built on VC7 or VC6? |
| 20:23.13 | SportChick | okay - I tested it and jitter climbed to 23 before I left - still have it |
| 20:23.18 | SportChick | DTRemenak: he went to lunch |
| 20:23.20 | DTRemenak | that might be the critical difference |
| 20:23.30 | DTRemenak | SportChick: he'll read it when he gets back :) |
| 20:23.49 | SportChick | ooo was I supposed to open bzflag.exe or bzflagcvs.exe |
| 20:23.50 | DTRemenak | SportChick: I'm going to try fixing something up for you. Dunno if it will work. |
| 20:24.04 | DTRemenak | heh, well try the other one :) |
| 20:26.20 | DTRemenak | SportChick: your framerates are high enough for a ~20% drop to not make it unplayable, right? |
| 20:27.17 | SportChick | DTRemenak: other one no better |
| 20:27.29 | DTRemenak | that's too bad |
| 20:27.31 | SportChick | DTRemenak: framerates are between 41 and 65 |
| 20:27.55 | SportChick | occasionally I'll have a drop down to 32 to rare |
| 20:28.05 | SportChick | s/to rare/but rare |
| 20:28.14 | DTRemenak | ok. Only asking because it's been my experience that the build I'm doing now tends to drop framerates by about 20% :) |
| 20:28.21 | SportChick | :p |
| 20:29.27 | DTRemenak | it also takes a very long time to finish :( |
| 20:31.39 | trepan | should write a HOWTO for sucky video cards |
| 20:31.58 | Birdie | :) |
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| 20:43.25 | jpa_ | ~sportchick++ |
| 20:47.34 | Grumbler | wow jpa_ your web pages even print well |
| 21:00.58 | jpa_ | Grumbler: :) |
| 21:01.10 | jpa_ | Grumbler: it is difficult to make bad code with a text editor |
| 21:01.44 | Grumbler | maybe you should re-write the wiki pages to a easy readable fashion |
| 21:02.18 | jpa_ | no no not me :) |
| 21:02.48 | trepan | config is in C:\My Files\My BZFlag Files\ on windows? |
| 21:02.59 | trepan | been so long, i've forgotten the leading part of the path |
| 21:03.20 | trepan | My Documents maybe? |
| 21:03.29 | jpa_ | yes |
| 21:03.32 | DTRemenak | trepan: what version of windows? |
| 21:03.48 | DTRemenak | c:\my documents\my bzflag files\2.0 on 9x, ME |
| 21:03.52 | trepan | DTRemenak: how many variations are there? |
| 21:03.52 | TimRiker | http://bzflag.org/wiki/ConfigFile |
| 21:04.36 | trepan | DTRemenak: XP, NT, or 2K different? |
| 21:04.44 | DTRemenak | c:\documents and settings\<username>\my documents\my bzflag files\2.0 on nt-based |
| 21:04.56 | trepan | ah, thx |
| 21:04.57 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: can you add that to the wiki page? |
| 21:05.01 | DTRemenak | sure |
| 21:05.26 | DTRemenak | of course, it can move from either of those locations if you've done something like mapped my documents onto a network drive |
| 21:05.41 | DTRemenak | ConfigFile is correct |
| 21:06.17 | DTRemenak | in all situations, it's My Documents\My BZFlag Files\2.0 |
| 21:06.56 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: nod, but a comment on where one might find My Documents would help. |
| 21:07.07 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: generally your desktop. it's non-removable :) |
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| 21:07.47 | DTRemenak | or start->documents->my documents |
| 21:07.59 | DTRemenak | or click the my documents button in any open dialog |
| 21:08.06 | Grumbler | but it is movable |
| 21:08.19 | DTRemenak | yeah, the filesystem location can flutter around |
| 21:08.31 | Grumbler | heh, "flutter" |
| 21:09.00 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: you really want a diatribe on where My Documents might be? I'll write it if you want it but it'll be longer than the entire rest of the page :) |
| 21:09.05 | orchid | hmm ok |
| 21:09.26 | Grumbler | so TimRiker , when can i go in and clean up the -1.#qnan0 entries to something more readable |
| 21:10.16 | TimRiker | Grumbler: ask wegstar, he put them there. I have no idea what they are for. if you have more useful bits to replace them with, go ahead. |
| 21:10.33 | DTRemenak | even silly people know how to find My Documents 'cause that's where all their stuff gets saved, can't open anything without knowing where it is |
| 21:10.40 | Grumbler | i'll pound wegstar then change then. |
| 21:11.04 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: you aren't silly :) |
| 21:12.17 | bryjen | DTRemenak: no, no they don't. they do file->save when they're done, and file->open when they want to go back. they have no clue what a filesystem is. |
| 21:13.01 | DTRemenak | bryjen: most people I know who use windows never use file->open. double-click the document...that's what the windows paradigm is about. |
| 21:13.07 | bryjen | their stuff is all "in Word" or "in Excel" |
| 21:14.02 | DTRemenak | heck, most of the windows people I know close the application to open a different document. e.g. double-click this document, close word, double-click that document |
| 21:15.04 | bryjen | now that is silly. :) |
| 21:15.28 | DTRemenak | bryjen: I typically find the behaviour you're describing only with people who used dos or win3.x |
| 21:15.32 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, 7.1 |
| 21:15.42 | JeffM2501 | I think |
| 21:15.52 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 21:15.53 | JeffM2501 | did it work for SC? |
| 21:15.58 | DTRemenak | no |
| 21:16.03 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:16.06 | bryjen | DTRemenak: perhaps that's it |
| 21:16.14 | JeffM2501 | I can try a 6 |
| 21:16.34 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I'm building on mingw right now. uses all different interface libraries, figure maybe that'll help |
| 21:16.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah can't hurt |
| 21:16.55 | DTRemenak | mingw builds take for-ev-er though |
| 21:17.01 | JeffM2501 | she could also try the libcurl dll from a beta |
| 21:17.05 | JeffM2501 | in her 2.0.1 |
| 21:17.16 | DTRemenak | bryjen: :) |
| 21:17.31 | DTRemenak | personally I think application-based makes a lot more sense |
| 21:17.38 | DTRemenak | but hey, I'm not microsoft or apple :) |
| 21:18.06 | DTRemenak | if I were microsoft or apple...that would just be scary |
| 21:18.31 | bryjen | even more so if you were both ;) |
| 21:18.49 | JeffM2501 | If you were I'd wonder why you were in school |
| 21:18.54 | JeffM2501 | learner, anything? |
| 21:18.55 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:24.49 | DTRemenak | SC: ping |
| 21:26.44 | DTRemenak | SC: I'm going to lunch. If you'd like, try http://dtremenak.bakadigital.com/bzflag.exe (just stick it in your bzflag directory) |
| 21:35.11 | Grumbler | you want to borrow my hat |
| 21:35.30 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 21:35.33 | JeffM2501 | it's a good thing |
| 21:35.47 | JeffM2501 | they have done many things how I would have done it |
| 21:36.10 | Grumbler | sure thats what they want you to believe ;) |
| 21:36.28 | JeffM2501 | they even have fmod as an option for a sound system :) |
| 21:36.45 | JeffM2501 | tho this does put OGF out of biz |
| 21:37.56 | Grumbler | maybe they are a splinter group |
| 21:38.07 | JeffM2501 | of OGF? |
| 21:38.17 | JeffM2501 | I'd hope not |
| 21:38.33 | JeffM2501 | cus I'd wonder why I would have a splinter group off of something I haven't finished |
| 21:39.19 | JeffM2501 | tell me photon maping is not PURDY! |
| 21:39.19 | JeffM2501 | http://g3d-cpp.sourceforge.net/gallery/photoncs224.jpg |
| 21:41.54 | SportChick | okay, I'm back |
| 21:42.06 | Grumbler | something not right with that picture |
| 21:42.15 | Grumbler | shiny though |
| 21:42.15 | SportChick | I tried the build dtremenak put up too and no help (in fact, with lowered fps, it was horrible). |
| 21:42.33 | SportChick | and jeff: unfortunately, the one you did didn't help either |
| 21:42.53 | JeffM2501 | that is what I heard |
| 21:43.29 | JeffM2501 | just for giggles can you try 2 things for me? |
| 21:43.42 | SportChick | what? |
| 21:43.51 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, try runing a local server, and see how you do, and then try also the last beta you have. |
| 21:44.12 | SportChick | how do I do a local serverZ? |
| 21:44.21 | JeffM2501 | just double click bzfs |
| 21:44.31 | JeffM2501 | and then join the server that has the same name as your PC |
| 21:46.04 | SportChick | what port? Will Localhost work? |
| 21:46.19 | JeffM2501 | 5155 |
| 21:46.24 | JeffM2501 | sorry 54 |
| 21:46.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah localhost should work |
| 21:46.35 | JeffM2501 | or 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:48.59 | trepan | JeffM2501: d/ls worked? |
| 21:49.05 | JeffM2501 | some did |
| 21:49.07 | JeffM2501 | some didn't |
| 21:49.09 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/include/common.h: max() instead of std::max() is a vc-only thing, and it doesn't require xutility (it's defined in windef.h) |
| 21:49.11 | JeffM2501 | some timed out |
| 21:49.15 | JeffM2501 | some were refused |
| 21:49.17 | JeffM2501 | but some worked |
| 21:49.19 | *** join/#bzflag sgk284 (~stevek@ACA14CDD.ipt.aol.com) |
| 21:49.39 | JeffM2501 | I went to one of your maps, and it got me the textures for the ball thing, but not the boxes |
| 21:49.58 | trepan | did you setup for unlimited access? DownloadAccess.txt? |
| 21:50.11 | JeffM2501 | I just ran it |
| 21:50.15 | JeffM2501 | I asumed sane defaults |
| 21:50.23 | trepan | otherwise, you'll only get the files from trepan.bzflag.bz |
| 21:50.32 | trepan | the defaults are sane |
| 21:50.47 | JeffM2501 | where sane == you? :) |
| 21:50.49 | trepan | and there's a nice little note displayed to the user |
| 21:50.59 | JeffM2501 | bahhh users can't read |
| 21:50.59 | trepan | sane = *.bzflag.bz and *.bzflag.org |
| 21:51.08 | trepan | also why i just posted on bzbb |
| 21:51.22 | JeffM2501 | reading is for girls |
| 21:51.24 | SportChick | JeffM2501: i did as you said - both things. both times jitter was 0ms |
| 21:51.32 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 21:51.33 | trepan | to avoid a slew of questions from the unobservant |
| 21:51.44 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, what is the beta you have? |
| 21:51.49 | DTRemenak | ~smack JeffM2501 |
| 21:51.51 | ibot | ACTION smacks JeffM2501 upside the head. |
| 21:51.58 | SportChick | I used 1.10.38 |
| 21:52.04 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, ? |
| 21:52.10 | trepan | JeffM2501: either way, the timeouts are not a good thing |
| 21:52.11 | DTRemenak | "reading is for girls" :) |
| 21:52.16 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:52.23 | JeffM2501 | where is this magical text file? |
| 21:52.33 | trepan | in the config, above the 2.0 dir |
| 21:52.37 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, the next thing to try is to run a beta server over the net and see how you do |
| 21:52.50 | SportChick | how do I do that? |
| 21:53.04 | JeffM2501 | wait 1.10.28? |
| 21:53.10 | SportChick | no, .38 |
| 21:53.11 | JeffM2501 | or 1.11.38? |
| 21:53.15 | JeffM2501 | 10 or 11? |
| 21:53.28 | SportChick | .oh, wait, now I can't remember |
| 21:53.34 | SportChick | 1.11.38 |
| 21:53.37 | JeffM2501 | 10.38 never existsted :) |
| 21:53.39 | SportChick | I typoed it |
| 21:53.46 | JeffM2501 | we need somone to run a 11.38 server |
| 21:53.51 | SportChick | yeah yeah - I thought you didn't read - reading was for girls |
| 21:54.11 | bryjen | ratz. i have 1.11.37 and .41 :/ |
| 21:54.18 | SportChick | I can do 1.41 |
| 21:54.20 | Grumbler | stront? |
| 21:54.24 | SportChick | .11.41 |
| 21:54.26 | Grumbler | ~dict stront |
| 21:54.28 | JeffM2501 | stong and stout |
| 21:54.31 | SportChick | I think I have that somewhere hold on |
| 21:54.39 | DTRemenak | bryjen: .37 and .38 are same protocol |
| 21:54.45 | bryjen | hehe. JeffM2501 is a fat chick ;) |
| 21:54.52 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 21:54.57 | Grumbler | haha |
| 21:54.59 | JeffM2501 | I would make a very ugly woman |
| 21:55.03 | JeffM2501 | I am well aware of that |
| 21:55.21 | DTRemenak | you make a very ugly man too! |
| 21:56.14 | JeffM2501 | but at least I don't wear my hood up 24/7 :P |
| 21:56.15 | DTRemenak | ~comfort JeffM2501 |
| 21:56.17 | ibot | There, there, JeffM2501. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:56.18 | SportChick | I've got 1.11.41 now |
| 21:56.28 | SportChick | same 0ms jitter on localhost |
| 21:56.54 | JeffM2501 | get them to fire up a 41 server |
| 21:56.56 | bryjen | ~bzflist |
| 21:56.56 | JeffM2501 | and see how ya do |
| 21:56.58 | SportChick | bryjen: where is your 1.11.41 server? |
| 21:57.34 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org:5158 |
| 21:58.11 | SportChick | ~whaleslap bryjen |
| 21:58.13 | ibot | ACTION slaps bryjen upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 21:58.15 | SportChick | that's for picking on jeff |
| 21:58.17 | bryjen | i don't have a client to join it with |
| 21:58.21 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:58.27 | SportChick | grrrr |
| 21:58.32 | SportChick | okay, who does have a client |
| 21:58.36 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, just go to that server |
| 21:58.39 | JeffM2501 | with your client |
| 21:58.43 | JeffM2501 | and see how you do |
| 21:58.44 | SportChick | what server? |
| 21:58.56 | bryjen | it should show in the list |
| 21:58.57 | JeffM2501 | that one he just tried to query |
| 21:59.00 | SportChick | ok |
| 21:59.09 | JeffM2501 | ibot won't query it cus it's not 1.10, or 2.0 |
| 21:59.12 | DTRemenak | SportChick: you have a .41 build? wierd. |
| 21:59.58 | JeffM2501 | hmmm I need quake3 |
| 22:00.02 | JeffM2501 | I may have |
| 22:00.08 | JeffM2501 | I'm cooky like that |
| 22:01.03 | DTRemenak | -rw-r--r-- 1 dtremenak www-data 8665640 Jan 17 02:20 bzflag1.11.41.exe |
| 22:01.06 | DTRemenak | I guess I did :) |
| 22:01.11 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:01.23 | DTRemenak | ooh, that's the one that was like three hours before 2.0 was released :) |
| 22:02.21 | SportChick | okay - 1.11.41 doesn't like me either - here are the stats: (Lag, jitter): 77, 3 |
| 22:02.37 | JeffM2501 | yet it works local just fine? |
| 22:02.38 | DTRemenak | 3 is not bad jitter |
| 22:02.45 | SportChick | 36, 3 then 16,8 then 12, 11 then 12, 14 then 5,47, then 4, 41 then 2 46 |
| 22:02.48 | JeffM2501 | no not at all |
| 22:02.57 | SportChick | gotta give me time to finish typing |
| 22:02.58 | JeffM2501 | that sounds about normal for a DSL connect |
| 22:03.11 | JeffM2501 | your going to allways have some jitter |
| 22:03.15 | SportChick | I never ever used to get abve about 5 jitter |
| 22:03.23 | DTRemenak | SportChick: 2, 46 is the same order as 77, 3? |
| 22:03.23 | SportChick | yes, but lag=2, jitter =46 is not good |
| 22:03.24 | Grumbler | maybe its all this new-fangled lag/jitter calculation |
| 22:03.28 | SportChick | yes same order |
| 22:03.28 | DTRemenak | eeeewwww |
| 22:03.30 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 22:03.35 | DTRemenak | yeah that's not good |
| 22:03.55 | JeffM2501 | basicly your' going to have to go back a little further each time |
| 22:04.00 | JeffM2501 | till we find when it worked |
| 22:04.04 | DTRemenak | doesn't stabilize after sitting for a while? |
| 22:04.06 | JeffM2501 | then look at what changed. |
| 22:04.16 | SportChick | yeah, it stabilized around 45 |
| 22:04.17 | brlcad | yay, more toys arrive soon |
| 22:04.28 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:04.32 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, where toys == code ? :) |
| 22:04.36 | DTRemenak | "stable jitter" nice oxymoron :) |
| 22:04.44 | SportChick | I don't have 1.11.37 - I have .38 or .36 |
| 22:04.52 | brlcad | where toys == caffeine, computer parts, and other goodies |
| 22:04.54 | DTRemenak | .36 .37 .38 are all the same protocol |
| 22:05.06 | DTRemenak | and .35 too :) |
| 22:05.06 | SportChick | so I can use .38 to get on your server? |
| 22:05.07 | SportChick | .good |
| 22:05.10 | SportChick | good |
| 22:05.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:05.17 | SportChick | tell me when to go |
| 22:05.24 | bryjen | ready now |
| 22:07.11 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: is there a way to the bzbb to re-send a registration email? Hombre registered, but didn't get the email, and the "forgot my password" won't send if no password has been set yet. |
| 22:07.12 | orchid | !dict scope |
| 22:07.14 | guu | orchid: web1913, foldoc, vera, and wn responded: vera: SCOPE SCalable Object Processing Environment (Creamware); vera: SCOPE Supervisory Control Of Program Execution (OS, CDC 6000); vera: SCOPE Simple COmmunications Programming Environment (telecommunication); foldoc: SCOPE <project> Software Evaluation and Certification Programme Europe. An {ESPRIT} project. (1995-04-12); web1913: (8 more messages) |
| 22:07.28 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, don't think so |
| 22:07.38 | TimRiker | It would be nice if the "forgot password" would re-send the registration page if the account has no password yet. |
| 22:07.48 | JeffM2501 | that it would be |
| 22:07.57 | JeffM2501 | I would think it wold not be hard to do |
| 22:08.29 | TimRiker | so in the mean time, just delete the account and tell him to re-register? |
| 22:08.43 | SportChick | marginally better: |
| 22:08.48 | JeffM2501 | I just ask for there email, if it matches, I manualy activate them |
| 22:09.03 | TimRiker | and what do they get for a password? |
| 22:09.10 | JeffM2501 | what ever they reged with |
| 22:09.19 | JeffM2501 | once they are active, they can do a forgot |
| 22:09.21 | TimRiker | ok. makes sense. |
| 22:09.23 | JeffM2501 | and reset the password |
| 22:09.27 | JeffM2501 | if they don't remember |
| 22:09.30 | SportChick | 204, 43 then 61, 29 then 61, 27 then 32, 29 then 25, 25, then 17, 18 then 18,21 then 15, 23 then 11, 29 then 9, 20 then 29, 12 then 26, 14 |
| 22:10.07 | DTRemenak | those be normal numbers |
| 22:10.37 | JeffM2501 | wow G3d even has what ammounts to a list server in it |
| 22:10.46 | DTRemenak | heh, now I wish I'd bothered to tag the betas :) |
| 22:11.02 | JeffM2501 | told you :) |
| 22:11.03 | DTRemenak | be easy to do a diff from .38 to .41 |
| 22:11.21 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: now I know :) |
| 22:11.32 | JeffM2501 | and knowing is 1/2 thhe battle! |
| 22:11.37 | bryjen | diff on dates |
| 22:11.38 | SportChick | so do you need me more or can I turn the computer over to hubby for a while? |
| 22:11.40 | TimRiker | cvs diffs on buildData will get the date, then a -D on each date will make a diff. |
| 22:11.45 | DTRemenak | bryjen: beatcha this time :) |
| 22:12.01 | bryjen | not here :) |
| 22:12.14 | TimRiker | chances are you _have_ the dates in the version string. so you can skipp the buildDate research. |
| 22:12.32 | SportChick | JeffM2501: do you need me or can I turn computer over to hubby? |
| 22:12.56 | bryjen | unless its after whoever foobared the date not to update on make but only on ./configure |
| 22:12.58 | JeffM2501 | I'm not doing anything SportChick, it's DTRemenak and bryjen who are doing it. |
| 22:13.25 | JeffM2501 | they are going to need to to slowly go bakc till you find the one that works again |
| 22:13.29 | SportChick | dtremenak & bryjen: can I turn computer over to my wonderful, but antsy husband (who is about to do a lot of helpful work for me)? |
| 22:13.30 | JeffM2501 | then they can do a diff |
| 22:13.33 | DTRemenak | geez. a lot of stuff changed in three days |
| 22:13.42 | DTRemenak | SportChick: yeah |
| 22:13.43 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, where is his computer? :) |
| 22:13.44 | bryjen | Jan 11 16:34 bzfs-1.11.37.20050105 |
| 22:13.57 | SportChick | JeffM2501: at home - we are in berkeley - his computer doesn't travel very well |
| 22:14.08 | JeffM2501 | sounds like you needd another lapy |
| 22:14.10 | DTRemenak | .38 was Jan 14; .41 was Jan 17 |
| 22:14.14 | SportChick | hehe |
| 22:14.25 | SportChick | okay, hubby's coming to the computer - holler if you need me |
| 22:14.57 | DTRemenak | geez, I hate whitespace commits |
| 22:15.22 | Grumbler | ssshh, tim is here |
| 22:15.42 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: I like correct whitespace. makes diffs really hard to see though |
| 22:15.58 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: diff -w will clean most of em. |
| 22:16.10 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: coolness :) |
| 22:16.54 | TimRiker | won't get things like wrapping/unwrapping } else etc. but it goes a long way. the email cvs messages use -w |
| 22:17.50 | TimRiker | now if people would obey the formatting guidelines then the ws commits would be null. |
| 22:18.08 | DTRemenak | true |
| 22:18.41 | TimRiker | the other alternative it to let the source continually degrade which does not appeal to me either. |
| 22:19.29 | JeffM2501 | if the formating guidelines were so ugly more would follow them :) |
| 22:19.30 | DTRemenak | no. I didn't say they were a bad thing...just that at the moment they were making my life painful :) |
| 22:19.48 | JeffM2501 | it's very old school nix |
| 22:21.10 | JeffM2501 | hah, live streaming of a webcam feed to a texture, what' the use in that? |
| 22:21.53 | brlcad | could add an option to the commit e-mailer to not e-mail if the only change is whitespace |
| 22:22.45 | DTRemenak | hm. essentially nothing networky changed between .38 and .41. MsgTimeLeft was changed to use a bigger data type, DelayQueue was removed, some auth stuff was fixed/changed, some materials stuff was changed. |
| 22:22.59 | DTRemenak | nothing that should affect jitter |
| 22:23.31 | brlcad | DTRemenak: graphics changes are causing the jitter best I can tell |
| 22:23.45 | DTRemenak | brlcad: how so? |
| 22:24.00 | brlcad | DTRemenak: half-related to what I was pinging you about a few days ago |
| 22:24.21 | DTRemenak | which I never did find out, after ponging several times :) |
| 22:24.25 | brlcad | got a profile build on one of the users that had a framerate plummet from 150 to 30 or so |
| 22:24.31 | JeffM2501 | is her FPS not stable? |
| 22:24.35 | JeffM2501 | ouch |
| 22:24.40 | JeffM2501 | that is not stable |
| 22:24.43 | DTRemenak | that's a bit of a difference |
| 22:24.51 | DTRemenak | what'd it show? |
| 22:24.54 | brlcad | i mean from 1.9 to 2.0 |
| 22:25.10 | brlcad | er, 1.10 to 2.0 |
| 22:25.23 | brlcad | it was the fonts |
| 22:25.44 | DTRemenak | which part? |
| 22:26.00 | brlcad | and sure enough, if the user disabled the scoreboard and the console, framerate returned to 150 in 2.0 |
| 22:26.10 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:26.29 | JeffM2501 | don't both 1.10 and 2.0 use the texture font class? |
| 22:26.36 | DTRemenak | my latest profile showed TextureFont::draw at the top of things fonts-related, taking up a little less than 1% of cpu time |
| 22:27.28 | DTRemenak | brlcad: will your profiler do annotated sources? |
| 22:27.42 | brlcad | i didn't run the profile |
| 22:27.48 | DTRemenak | :( |
| 22:27.52 | brlcad | it was on the guy with the bad performance |
| 22:28.06 | brlcad | i have the gprof summary here somewhere though |
| 22:28.15 | DTRemenak | do you at least have a call-graph log? |
| 22:28.29 | brlcad | there were an inordinate about of calls to an internal ogl routine |
| 22:28.38 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:28.44 | brlcad | that made me wonder if the display/state is being flushed after every letter or something |
| 22:29.06 | TimRiker | could use http://rikers.org/cgi-bin/nph-image.cgi but it's a jpg |
| 22:29.17 | DTRemenak | brlcad: the guy's on an ATI card? |
| 22:29.29 | brlcad | i don't recall |
| 22:29.43 | brlcad | i've heard people with that problem on both cards though |
| 22:30.35 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, this engine reads jpegs |
| 22:30.35 | TimRiker | sweet. try it out. ;-) |
| 22:30.35 | JeffM2501 | the class is local |
| 22:30.36 | JeffM2501 | it'd take your local webcam and put it on a local texture |
| 22:30.37 | TimRiker | I could give you a png converted cgi I suppose... |
| 22:30.46 | JeffM2501 | heck bzflag could do the web png |
| 22:31.04 | JeffM2501 | I'm just looking thru the contrib stuff for G3D |
| 22:31.11 | DTRemenak | brlcad: it does a state reset on every string (not every char). that seems to cause the ATI drivers grief (not unsurprisingly) |
| 22:31.28 | DTRemenak | only figured that out about last week |
| 22:31.29 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, why reset the state on every string? |
| 22:31.42 | JeffM2501 | why not only when it changes, isn't that what the state management is for? |
| 22:31.44 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: alpha |
| 22:31.49 | JeffM2501 | still |
| 22:31.54 | JeffM2501 | state manager should know that |
| 22:31.59 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I'm just using OpenGLGState's stuff |
| 22:32.08 | JeffM2501 | do you force it to restate? |
| 22:32.19 | DTRemenak | nope. just tell it to set the state |
| 22:32.23 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 22:32.27 | JeffM2501 | then that should not reflush |
| 22:32.42 | JeffM2501 | guess it could be wierd if the font calls were mixed in the middle of non font calls |
| 22:33.02 | JeffM2501 | since its' not doing any sorting |
| 22:33.26 | *** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@dialup-4.254.84.148.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) |
| 22:33.27 | DTRemenak | hmm, chestal added a forced full reset |
| 22:33.39 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 22:33.40 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.55 | JeffM2501 | bitmap? |
| 22:33.58 | DTRemenak | whaddaya bet that's the change that killed SportChick? |
| 22:34.07 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c-78bae055.17-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 22:34.08 | JeffM2501 | does he mean software? |
| 22:34.09 | DTRemenak | yeah, BitmapFont |
| 22:34.19 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/tmp/gprof.log |
| 22:34.21 | DTRemenak | it's easier on the sw renderers |
| 22:34.33 | JeffM2501 | hook it to a config item |
| 22:34.38 | JeffM2501 | set usecrapyresets |
| 22:34.48 | JeffM2501 | that would jack the hardwares |
| 22:35.06 | JeffM2501 | a full reset could flush the entire card |
| 22:35.12 | JeffM2501 | bet that's what screwing the ATIs |
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| 22:35.46 | DTRemenak | I also forced a full reset for underline rendering. wouldn't work any other way, not sure why. |
| 22:35.56 | JeffM2501 | maybe it's time to start thinking about a build option for the softies |
| 22:36.13 | JeffM2501 | so stuff like that can be put in a #def |
| 22:36.27 | JeffM2501 | well GL state is cooky |
| 22:37.02 | DTRemenak | ain't that the truth |
| 22:37.14 | brlcad | experimental, high, medium, low, ultra crappy |
| 22:37.17 | JeffM2501 | I've allways perfered sorters that worked on material defs |
| 22:37.39 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, no I mean a #define _NON_HARDWARE_GL |
| 22:37.45 | JeffM2501 | so it's not even a menu |
| 22:38.01 | JeffM2501 | make the softies build there own |
| 22:38.09 | JeffM2501 | they are such a minority |
| 22:38.19 | JeffM2501 | and take out some menu items |
| 22:38.25 | JeffM2501 | for the hardware build |
| 22:38.30 | JeffM2501 | like depth buffer |
| 22:38.45 | JeffM2501 | cus people who turn it of thinking it'll go faster, only find it goes slower on modern hardware |
| 22:39.07 | JeffM2501 | same for the texture mode |
| 22:39.28 | JeffM2501 | be the first phase in phasing out the use of software rendering |
| 22:39.36 | JeffM2501 | see how many people need the softie build |
| 22:39.54 | DTRemenak | BitmapFont keeps no state information. no wonder it requires a full reset. |
| 22:39.56 | brlcad | I doubt anybody is going to build custom builds just for software rendering |
| 22:40.05 | brlcad | it's all run-time detectable |
| 22:40.13 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:40.21 | JeffM2501 | then at least turn that stuff off for those kinds |
| 22:40.22 | brlcad | doesn't have to be an option, just have to detect it and deal accordingly |
| 22:40.36 | brlcad | same for depth buffer |
| 22:40.43 | JeffM2501 | well you may want to allow the config to overide it, for testing, and systems that don't detect right |
| 22:40.49 | brlcad | could pretty easily test which is really faster |
| 22:41.05 | JeffM2501 | anything is better then having all these options that people slam about now, and don't know what they do |
| 22:41.25 | brlcad | yeah |
| 22:41.27 | JeffM2501 | the texture modes are overkill |
| 22:41.38 | JeffM2501 | simple, nearese, bi, and trilinar is fine |
| 22:41.45 | JeffM2501 | nearest even |
| 22:41.58 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, how often do you change them? |
| 22:42.11 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I set them up on each machine |
| 22:42.20 | [dmp] | hi david_v - got my mail? |
| 22:42.27 | JeffM2501 | what texture modes do you set? |
| 22:42.42 | DTRemenak | the problem with autodetection is that the program doesn't know how I'm going to use it or what I like |
| 22:42.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah, auto will allways fail in some point |
| 22:43.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm fine with allwing config to overide the individual features |
| 22:43.09 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: none, Nearest, Linear Mipmap Nearest and Linear Mipmap Linear |
| 22:43.11 | brlcad | DTRemenak: I mean for the settings that are only provided for performance |
| 22:43.15 | JeffM2501 | I just don't think they belong in the general interface |
| 22:43.35 | DTRemenak | brlcad: how do you know what framerate I like? |
| 22:43.40 | DTRemenak | or what servers I play on? |
| 22:43.44 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, so that is basicly "none, nearest, bilieanr, and trilinar" |
| 22:43.53 | brlcad | they'd map to high/med/low |
| 22:43.59 | brlcad | based on performance |
| 22:44.02 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: and that's all the options we provide except Linear, which is pointless |
| 22:44.15 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:44.29 | JeffM2501 | I'd do a high/ med / low/ none |
| 22:44.37 | JeffM2501 | and let the config oveide the exact mode |
| 22:44.42 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I run my TNT on high/nearest |
| 22:44.55 | JeffM2501 | what card does better at linearmipmapnearset? |
| 22:45.07 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: TNT2-M64 |
| 22:45.12 | JeffM2501 | BURN IT! |
| 22:45.18 | JeffM2501 | eww and even a M64 |
| 22:45.19 | JeffM2501 | damn |
| 22:45.23 | DTRemenak | yeah. not very nice :) |
| 22:45.25 | JeffM2501 | I'm so very very sorry |
| 22:45.50 | DTRemenak | my friend had a TNT2-Vanta and set the same options on it |
| 22:45.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:46.04 | JeffM2501 | vanta and M64 are basicly the same things |
| 22:46.04 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I use a GF3 on this box :) |
| 22:46.08 | JeffM2501 | gimped TNT2 |
| 22:46.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm just thinking that' ya know, it's the 21st century, maybe the interface should be optimised for some hardware with T/L |
| 22:46.49 | DTRemenak | high/nearest was on the old Diamond V550 TNT's we played on at school. looked pretty good without being hella slow. |
| 22:46.50 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: http://rikers.org/cgi-bin/nph-png.cgi <- png version. slower cause it does the conversion on the fly. |
| 22:47.03 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, slap the texture in a map :) |
| 22:47.11 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: TNT2 has hardware T&L :) |
| 22:47.22 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, wront T |
| 22:47.25 | JeffM2501 | transform |
| 22:47.26 | JeffM2501 | not Texture |
| 22:47.35 | JeffM2501 | it has no GPU |
| 22:47.38 | JeffM2501 | nor hardware geo |
| 22:47.41 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 22:47.50 | JeffM2501 | it's a fillrate card |
| 22:48.00 | JeffM2501 | in it's day, one hell of a fillrate card too |
| 22:48.04 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 22:48.10 | DTRemenak | I was very happy with it for a long time |
| 22:48.24 | JeffM2501 | 64 meg ultra 2! |
| 22:48.27 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 22:48.45 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: hmm. can't from here. too many firewall issues to get around. |
| 22:48.48 | DTRemenak | I ran a 32mb TNT2-ultra until it fried |
| 22:48.50 | JeffM2501 | I also remember geting a permidia2 so I could play BZ with textures when I first started on it |
| 22:49.03 | DTRemenak | then bought the m64 because I was dumb and broke :) |
| 22:49.09 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:49.17 | DTRemenak | wasn't quite so happy with it |
| 22:49.22 | DTRemenak | but it worked ok |
| 22:49.53 | JeffM2501 | I think I went from Trident64-> NV1-> rage 128-> permedia2 -> TNT2 -> Quadro ->.... |
| 22:49.53 | DTRemenak | then one of my friends started showing off his GF3's shaders |
| 22:50.05 | JeffM2501 | shaders are fun |
| 22:50.08 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 22:50.23 | JeffM2501 | wonder if I have my NV1 anywhere still |
| 22:51.03 | DTRemenak | I went from Oak-VGA -> Trio64 -> ViRGE DX/GX -> TNT2 -> GF3 |
| 22:51.13 | JeffM2501 | that's it' verge |
| 22:51.16 | JeffM2501 | not rage 128 |
| 22:51.24 | JeffM2501 | I had a verget after the NV1 |
| 22:51.34 | DTRemenak | I hated those driver |
| 22:51.38 | JeffM2501 | they did suck |
| 22:51.48 | JeffM2501 | but they ran on NT |
| 22:51.56 | JeffM2501 | the NV1 only had 95 drivers |
| 22:52.08 | DTRemenak | the trio's drivers were nice, but S3 screwed it up for the virge |
| 22:52.25 | JeffM2501 | the first 3d decellerator |
| 22:52.27 | DTRemenak | they're supposed to get better not worse |
| 22:52.36 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:52.43 | JeffM2501 | the hardware was only as fast as about a PPro 200 |
| 22:52.48 | DTRemenak | it was an accelerator on my P100 :) |
| 22:52.57 | JeffM2501 | so on any system faster then that, it was slower then software |
| 22:53.09 | TimRiker | http://www.atmos.uiuc.edu/camera/webcam.php/webcammd.png another |
| 22:53.09 | JeffM2501 | I had one in my PII |
| 22:53.29 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, bzflag won't update it, i'll just pull it when the game starts |
| 22:53.32 | DTRemenak | I really liked that machine. I was running a P100 in a super-7 board at a 100mhz FSB, with PC-100 RAM |
| 22:53.44 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:53.47 | TimRiker | and if you enter the menu and refresh it. |
| 22:53.49 | DTRemenak | fastest first-gen pentium I ever used :) |
| 22:54.04 | JeffM2501 | my first P1 was 133 |
| 22:54.06 | JeffM2501 | fry's special |
| 22:54.10 | TimRiker | trepan: what happens if the dates are different? does the client re-load the image on each enter? |
| 22:54.12 | JeffM2501 | before that it was 'tosh |
| 22:54.17 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 22:54.38 | JeffM2501 | now I won't use an intel system unless they make me |
| 22:54.57 | JeffM2501 | thankfully I get to pick what hardware we buy :) |
| 22:54.59 | DTRemenak | cool :) |
| 22:55.17 | trepan | TimRiker: the Cache Settings menu tells all |
| 22:55.40 | DTRemenak | I convinced my highschool to go AMD for a few computers. the principal was very happy with his :) |
| 22:56.02 | DTRemenak | unfortunately the place we had an open PO with dropped AMD though |
| 22:56.14 | DTRemenak | their technicians kept cracking the cores |
| 22:56.22 | JeffM2501 | cus they put the fans on backwards |
| 22:56.52 | TimRiker | trepan: this one might be interesting: http://www.not.iac.es/g/latest-xearth.png |
| 22:56.55 | DTRemenak | I chewed them out because I had a crew of six high school students who had built about 30 computers without a single cracked core |
| 22:57.03 | DTRemenak | and their techs couldn't manage it |
| 22:57.10 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:57.22 | trepan | TimRiker: why? |
| 22:57.38 | JeffM2501 | it shows the current day/night line |
| 22:57.41 | DTRemenak | made me wonder where they were getting thier "certified" labor from |
| 22:57.47 | trepan | it's horrible resolution, and bz already does the lighting |
| 22:57.56 | trepan | ... even specular is done properly now |
| 22:58.01 | TimRiker | trepan: looks to be dynamically shaded based on the time |
| 22:58.29 | TimRiker | could do the same thing with a cgi and the higher res image. ;-) |
| 22:58.36 | trepan | ah, i could just setup my texture matrix spin for 1/86400 :) |
| 22:58.40 | JeffM2501 | just define a texture matrix that spins at the right speed :) |
| 22:58.55 | TimRiker | =) |
| 22:59.11 | JeffM2501 | geting it synced on each system would be fun tho |
| 22:59.18 | DTRemenak | with synctime and synclocation you could get it to always be faced right |
| 22:59.27 | trepan | TimRiker: try updating the map now... |
| 22:59.29 | TimRiker | but I want to see it spinning, just shaded like the real planet. ;-) |
| 22:59.48 | trepan | if you don't have auto-update on, 'update downloads' :) |
| 23:00.02 | trepan | maybe 'force updates' would be better |
| 23:00.04 | TimRiker | trepan: firewalled here. have to try later. still have not been able to download the globe image due to download failing. |
| 23:00.38 | TimRiker | ie: I've never actually seen the globe have a texture. |
| 23:00.38 | trepan | TimRiker: site problem then? |
| 23:00.52 | TimRiker | browser downloads it great. |
| 23:01.20 | TimRiker | bzflag times out part way through no matter what i change the timeout too. |
| 23:01.32 | brlcad | yay, toys arrived |
| 23:01.42 | trepan | hmm, i rebuilt with 7.13.0, and it works fine for me |
| 23:01.58 | TimRiker | trepan: and you're on a nice slow link? |
| 23:02.14 | trepan | TimRiker: you were saying before that it kacked after about 1 sec |
| 23:02.50 | TimRiker | perhaps .75 seconds or so. |
| 23:02.58 | trepan | either way, it sounds wrong |
| 23:03.17 | TimRiker | which means that each small image downloads find and none of the large ones ever finish. |
| 23:03.32 | TimRiker | have you tested with images that take say 5 seconds to download? |
| 23:03.52 | trepan | i've got a 3 second image, i'll go make a whopper |
| 23:03.56 | TimRiker | ie: a single image that is that biig. |
| 23:04.13 | bryjen | Mmmm, whoppers |
| 23:04.14 | TimRiker | and the 3 second works for you? hmm. |
| 23:04.26 | TimRiker | ~dict whopper |
| 23:04.27 | bryjen | with cheese |
| 23:04.29 | DTRemenak | one of the ones I grabbed from trepan.bzflag.bz took me about 10 secs |
| 23:04.41 | DTRemenak | not sure why |
| 23:05.14 | DTRemenak | trepan: is trepan.bzflag.bz on your home connection or on bzflag.bz? |
| 23:05.29 | trepan | it's learner's machine |
| 23:05.42 | TimRiker | ~dns bzflag.bz |
| 23:05.49 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's what I thought. that's why I'm not sure why that took such a long time. |
| 23:05.54 | TimRiker | ~dns trepan.bzflag.bz |
| 23:06.03 | TimRiker | ~dns 66.111.56.50 |
| 23:06.32 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 23:06.51 | TimRiker | nasa is useful for something, huh? |
| 23:07.23 | JeffM2501 | that is a sizeable file :) |
| 23:07.26 | trepan | TimRiker: na, just messed with the original from xtraceroute |
| 23:07.42 | brlcad | DTRemenak: slow to curl it or only in bz? |
| 23:08.29 | DTRemenak | brlcad: didn't try curl |
| 23:09.21 | DTRemenak | hm. on windows I get "failed to look up hostname" then a crash |
| 23:10.00 | brlcad | curl crashes? |
| 23:10.10 | trepan | got the 6M file in about 20 secs, no probs |
| 23:10.11 | DTRemenak | bzflag crashes |
| 23:10.14 | JeffM2501 | trepan, I posted the 2.0.1 build to a URL on bzbb so the kiddies can play with it |
| 23:10.15 | brlcad | ah |
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| 23:11.10 | *** part/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@80-218-158-23.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 23:11.16 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: out of curiosity, can you join trepan's texture test server? |
| 23:11.26 | trepan | JeffM2501: cool, let the bug report start flowing |
| 23:11.41 | trepan | WARNING: may contain crappy 6M image file |
| 23:12.29 | TimRiker | http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/topo/img/globecol.gif <- best I can find, but it's a gif =( |
| 23:14.02 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, sure, let me set that file |
| 23:14.17 | TimRiker | ah. better, but jpg: ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/GLOBE_DEM/pictures/GLOBALeb3colshade.jpg |
| 23:14.31 | TimRiker | 7200x3600 |
| 23:14.35 | DTRemenak | hm, if I set allow * it works |
| 23:14.42 | DTRemenak | but if I take it back out, it crashes |
| 23:16.02 | trepan | TimRiker: lemme add SDL_image (already done) or any other image loader lib as manditory, and you'll get GIFs :) |
| 23:16.13 | DTRemenak | heh, not to mention that all the pngs it saves to the cache are bogus |
| 23:17.23 | trepan | where does it crash? |
| 23:17.54 | DTRemenak | trepan: debugger fails to trap it |
| 23:18.04 | DTRemenak | just dumps me on the desktop |
| 23:18.14 | trepan | ouch |
| 23:18.36 | DTRemenak | doesn't even flush std::out so I can't tell anything from the debug logs either |
| 23:18.59 | DTRemenak | last line is "Unmapped Lo" |
| 23:19.09 | TimRiker | trepan: I'll try from home. |
| 23:21.17 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Downloads.cxx: possible crash? |
| 23:21.24 | trepan | DTRemenak: dunno if that's it... |
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| 23:22.27 | DTRemenak | a%3Aa.png: File is CORRUPTED by text conversion. |
| 23:22.40 | DTRemenak | that's what pngcheck says |
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| 23:24.22 | yertman | Hi all. |
| 23:24.29 | orchid | hello |
| 23:24.45 | yertman | I have recently started running a server. |
| 23:25.01 | yertman | I am curious if there are some ways to detect cheaters? |
| 23:25.01 | trepan | DTRemenak: got it |
| 23:25.11 | DTRemenak | First-chance exception at 0x7c59bbf3 in bzflag.exe: Microsoft C++ exception: std::bad_alloc @ 0x00129590. |
| 23:25.16 | orchid | yertman: yes and no |
| 23:25.16 | TimRiker | trepan: local file open is not binary? |
| 23:25.26 | trepan | ya, it's the createDataOutStream() call |
| 23:25.27 | orchid | yertman: the obvious ones are easy |
| 23:25.38 | yertman | I have a couple of guys on right now. I don't get valid ping stats from them. |
| 23:25.59 | yertman | and the first two octets of their ip's are blocked when I do a playerlist. |
| 23:26.00 | orchid | yertman: if your shots go through and and the pings are good and others see the same thing its fishy |
| 23:26.10 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:26.19 | DTRemenak | trepan: nailed the crash |
| 23:26.33 | orchid | yertman: blocked? |
| 23:26.39 | orchid | yertman: whats printed? |
| 23:26.41 | trepan | DTRemenak: what was it? |
| 23:26.43 | brlcad | first two octets of the their ips? |
| 23:26.51 | brlcad | sounds like the word filter at work :) |
| 23:26.55 | sgk284 | yertman, what version of the server? |
| 23:26.58 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/game/CacheManager.cxx: cache files are binary files for winnies |
| 23:26.59 | DTRemenak | trepan: >bzflag.exe!checkAuthorizations(std::set<std::basic_string<char,std::char_traits<char>,std::allocator<char> >,std::less<std::basic_string<char,std::char_traits<char>,std::allocator<char> > >,std::allocator<std::basic_string<char,std::char_traits<char>,std::allocator<char> > > > & set={...}) Line 376 + 0x15 |
| 23:27.09 | yertman | First two numbers of the ip looks likt this #$.#$#.12.123 |
| 23:27.16 | sgk284 | if 2.0, the word filter blocks sometimes, upgrade to cvs if you can |
| 23:27.18 | brlcad | yeah, that's the fitler |
| 23:27.33 | DTRemenak | the line is " msg += url;" |
| 23:27.33 | *** join/#bzflag a_monkey (~thechimp@user-0can32u.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 23:27.37 | DTRemenak | url is invalid |
| 23:27.40 | brlcad | yertman: empty out your word filter and /reload |
| 23:27.43 | trepan | DTRemenak: ya get some, ya miss others :) |
| 23:27.48 | brlcad | i "think" that'll do the trick |
| 23:28.00 | brlcad | er wait no .. word filter doesn't empty on a reload |
| 23:28.00 | yertman | okay. Excellent idea. Thanks! |
| 23:28.05 | trepan | DTRemenak: you committing? |
| 23:28.12 | DTRemenak | trepan: haven't fixed it yet |
| 23:28.26 | DTRemenak | looking at iterators and stuff...you're welcome to fix it while I'm still confuse |
| 23:28.36 | yertman | Ah. Well. That okay. At least I makes me a bit less suspicious of them. |
| 23:28.53 | sgk284 | yertman, do you have bzfs logging? |
| 23:28.56 | brlcad | yertman: yeah, that filtering is fixed in the latest, I beleive |
| 23:29.00 | sgk284 | their ips might be in there |
| 23:29.05 | brlcad | logging will record it correctly |
| 23:29.15 | yertman | hmm. I will look. |
| 23:29.29 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Downloads.cxx: crash catch by dtr |
| 23:29.30 | trepan | DTRemenak: ya, i always seem to bung those .erase()'s up |
| 23:29.37 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 23:29.55 | yertman | How do you log? Pipe standard out of bzadmin to a file? |
| 23:29.55 | sgk284 | brlcad, filtering was fixed by me and then trepan did it cleaner (i had added the extra "bool filter = 1" arg, trepan just split it into two functions) |
| 23:29.58 | trepan | that's twice now, stupid one in TrackMarks too |
| 23:30.36 | brlcad | yertman: add -d -d -d to your bzfs config |
| 23:31.04 | brlcad | and send the ouptut to a file |
| 23:32.16 | yertman | Okay thanks. |
| 23:32.48 | trepan | sgk284: also made the filtering input only |
| 23:33.01 | yertman | Gotta go. Thanks again for the help. :) |
| 23:33.37 | DTRemenak | trepan: ok, works now :) |
| 23:33.41 | DTRemenak | ~trepan++ |
| 23:33.51 | trepan | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 23:34.05 | trepan | (for having someone test it on winders :) |
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| 23:36.25 | trepan | ostream setup differently between MS builds? |
| 23:36.36 | DTRemenak | he might be using an old libcurl |
| 23:36.43 | DTRemenak | dunno if it changed |
| 23:36.49 | trepan | but the files are dumped by FileManager |
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| 23:37.05 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ |
| 23:37.10 | DTRemenak | oh? |
| 23:37.14 | DTRemenak | hm, dunno then |
| 23:37.17 | DTRemenak | maybe he didn't check :) |
| 23:37.31 | trepan | ya, FileManager::createDataOutStream() |
| 23:40.47 | trepan | DTRemenak: does ESC during downloads work? |
| 23:42.21 | DTRemenak | trepan: yup |
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| 23:43.05 | trepan | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 23:43.27 | trepan | thx for the peek ;) |
| 23:46.59 | JeffM2501 | huh, what, where? |
| 23:47.22 | JeffM2501 | I was using an older libcurl |
| 23:47.39 | trepan | you should still have been getting ascii files, it's weird |
| 23:48.44 | JeffM2501 | maybe I was |
| 23:49.29 | JeffM2501 | well the png files in the cache are all jacked |
| 23:49.55 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:50.43 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: you may want to replace that build you just made with one that works properly :) |
| 23:51.06 | JeffM2501 | that woudl make sesne |
| 23:51.08 | JeffM2501 | is it cool now? |
| 23:51.12 | JeffM2501 | do I just rebuild? |
| 23:51.20 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 23:51.42 | JeffM2501 | updating |
| 23:52.06 | Chestal | trepan: libcurl 7.10.7 |
| 23:52.09 | a_monkey | where can i see jpa's ocean map? |
| 23:52.11 | JeffM2501 | I can't belive I'm actualy reading an article in this magazene |
| 23:52.23 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: what magazine? |
| 23:52.25 | trepan | Chestal: which labels? |
| 23:52.26 | Chestal | CURLE_LDAP_INVALID_UR / CURLE_FILESIZE_EXCEEDED / CURLE_FTP_SSL_FAILED |
| 23:52.30 | JeffM2501 | C/C++ users journal |
| 23:53.04 | trepan | Chestal: thx, wonder how far back we should support curl |
| 23:53.31 | DTRemenak | trepan: debian stable is 7.9.8 or something |
| 23:54.18 | Chestal | this is debian unstable which only gets updated every other year or so :-) |
| 23:55.56 | trepan | ick,7.9.5 even |
| 23:56.35 | trepan | anyone have a deb stable box? ;) |
| 23:57.31 | JeffM2501 | sasami is 1/2 sarge 1/2 stable |
| 23:57.50 | creeperz | sarge? |
| 23:57.57 | JeffM2501 | sarge |
| 23:58.03 | creeperz | what is sarge? |
| 23:58.09 | trepan | shuddap griff |
| 23:58.15 | creeperz | :-P |
| 23:58.26 | JeffM2501 | sarge is a debian build |
| 23:58.26 | creeperz | Lopez >< |
| 23:58.32 | creeperz | oh |
| 23:58.34 | JeffM2501 | no, sarge from toy story |
| 23:58.44 | creeperz | oh |
| 23:58.44 | JeffM2501 | woddy, sarge, sid.... |
| 23:58.49 | creeperz | Tucker |
| 23:58.55 | creeperz | Sheila |
| 23:58.59 | JeffM2501 | you can stop now |
| 23:59.03 | creeperz | alright |
| 23:59.23 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: welp, it works, but of course now i get to go searching for all sorts of crummy drivers |
