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| 00:38.41 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/game/CacheManager.cxx: for the winnies |
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| 00:44.35 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/game/CacheManager.cxx: and another |
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| 00:51.53 | bz0239 | ./configure cant find Opengl (gl.h) its in /usr/X11R6/include/GL/gl.h. How do I tell it its there ? |
| 00:55.04 | brlcad | ./configure CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/X11R6/include" LDFLAGS="-L/usr/X11R6/lib" |
| 00:56.59 | bz0239 | oki, hmm it was CPPFLAGS=stuff ./configure thank you |
| 00:57.42 | brlcad | should go after it unless you run into an error, that's the preferred autoconf way |
| 00:58.14 | brlcad | but either should work too |
| 01:00.41 | bz0239 | I copy pasted the actual line you typed, but got errors/warnings from the configure script and it stopped. so I putted them as env vars. |
| 01:07.27 | brlcad | ahh, that'd be an old config then |
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| 01:26.06 | orchid | lan56: the wikipedia page for bzflag looks really nice |
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| 01:26.37 | orchid | but I dont think many players refer to their teams as leagues do they? |
| 01:26.43 | orchid | hi wegstar |
| 01:26.50 | blog | heya orchid |
| 01:26.54 | brlcad | lan56: it does look really great |
| 01:26.57 | orchid | hi blog |
| 01:26.57 | wegstar | hi orchid |
| 01:27.12 | orchid | and BZR, famous? hehe |
| 01:27.20 | lan56 | orchid brlcad: well, thank you, but some thanks go to you folks for helping it too |
| 01:27.34 | lan56 | orchid: I knew someone here would like that one :) |
| 01:27.40 | orchid | lan56: s/BZR/moles would be my suggestion |
| 01:27.42 | brlcad | yeah.. that's just silly :) BzR's been around for a little while, but even I wouldn't call BzR famous :) |
| 01:27.56 | lan56 | alright, it could change then |
| 01:27.58 | orchid | famous for losing maybe |
| 01:28.01 | brlcad | hey! |
| 01:28.04 | blog | INfamous ? |
| 01:28.05 | wegstar | stupid question: how does one apply color to a mesh object... |
| 01:28.15 | brlcad | lan56: vitamin bz too |
| 01:28.23 | lan56 | brlcad: ahh, right |
| 01:28.25 | brlcad | maybe s/BIC// too |
| 01:29.29 | orchid | the team "bz" was famous, and [meq] |
| 01:29.51 | lan56 | [meq] exactly spelled like that? |
| 01:30.05 | orchid | think so |
| 01:30.14 | orchid | purple_cow will know |
| 01:30.21 | brlcad | tank tops |
| 01:30.26 | orchid | har har |
| 01:30.29 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:30.33 | orchid | we had a good logo though |
| 01:30.40 | blog | hmmm BZR last match: 9/2004 |
| 01:31.06 | orchid | wegstar: I dont know how to do that |
| 01:31.11 | lan56 | until I know for sure, I'll leave the teams like they are, with the BzR and BIC changes as well as vitamin bz added, but thats just as for me contributing |
| 01:31.23 | wegstar | ah... ok |
| 01:31.59 | brlcad | blog: bzr only had about 8 real games before the players disbanded -- I think we peaked somewhere in the 1400's |
| 01:32.12 | purple_cow | hmm, i don't even remember the logo |
| 01:32.23 | brlcad | then there were a slew of matches since that have all been just sad -- not really the same old players playing, though |
| 01:32.28 | blog | team is still there - what are you waiting for ? :) |
| 01:32.46 | brlcad | lan56: don't forget the moles :) |
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| 01:33.53 | lan56 | brlcad: ahh, right :) will do |
| 01:34.28 | lan56 | brlcad: done |
| 01:34.31 | brlcad | cool |
| 01:35.06 | lan56 | brlcad: you may or may not want to add you name to the "Maps" reference link near the bottom, it says "Unknown" as I wasn't sure about your preference for anonymousness |
| 01:35.12 | blog | 'old' moles ? |
| 01:35.23 | brlcad | old fights |
| 01:35.29 | blog | :) |
| 01:35.53 | blog | don't worry - Chestal is asleep |
| 01:36.01 | brlcad | yay, caffeine shipment is on it's way! |
| 01:36.38 | blog | thinkgeek ? |
| 01:36.48 | brlcad | of course |
| 01:36.52 | blog | lol |
| 01:38.04 | brlcad | never tried the sugar-free bawls nor the new bawls mints .. we shall see... |
| 01:38.06 | blog | caffeine is caffeine - get the cheapest |
| 01:38.42 | blog | mint? oh ... well... in that case ... |
| 01:38.43 | brlcad | the umph tablets are great for quantity/$$ |
| 01:39.07 | brlcad | penguins are just great all the time though |
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| 01:39.42 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 01:42.54 | blog | brlcad: http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?follow-pro=1&catalog=valu-sport&vwcatalog=valu-sport&query=caffeine&x=0&y=0 |
| 01:43.01 | blog | you can probably find them even cheaper |
| 01:43.49 | blog | just pure caffeine (almost) :) |
| 01:44.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (CacheMenu.cxx CacheMenu.h Downloads.cxx playing.h): download status during updates, and some extra HUD messages |
| 01:44.44 | wegstar | brlcad: do you still have a lock on |
| 01:44.46 | wegstar | nvm |
| 01:49.40 | trepan | you've got dev access? |
| 01:49.56 | wegstar | no... |
| 01:50.02 | wegstar | what junk? |
| 01:50.08 | trepan | hmm, prolly won't work, just add some windows fixes |
| 01:50.18 | trepan | texture downloading |
| 01:50.38 | wegstar | ah |
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| 01:56.43 | wegstar | apparently someone tried editing the dev-c++ file of bzflag.dev by hand and missed out something... |
| 01:58.16 | lan56 | let me read this for a sec |
| 01:59.11 | lan56 | let me take a look at bzflag.dev, last I checked it worked like a charm, but let me examine it anyway |
| 01:59.51 | wegstar | everything is shifted |
| 02:00.10 | wegstar | n/nickserv IDENTIFY zuvv2r80 |
| 02:00.12 | wegstar | oops |
| 02:00.15 | wegstar | crap |
| 02:00.49 | lan56 | interesting :) |
| 02:00.58 | cods | that's problem with addiction to bzflag |
| 02:01.03 | cods | +the |
| 02:01.04 | wegstar | noooo |
| 02:01.38 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/EffectsMenu.cxx: breakup the Effects menu a little |
| 02:02.16 | wegstar | n/nickserv set password nader |
| 02:02.24 | wegstar | argh |
| 02:02.57 | cods | incurable at this point.. :) |
| 02:03.03 | lan56 | I could do it for you if you have some trouble :) |
| 02:03.11 | wegstar | nah.. :) |
| 02:05.25 | blog | lol - i thought i was the only one that did that |
| 02:07.43 | lan56 | wegstar: I am compiling bzflag right now, it is missing a few files, so in a minute or two I'll commit a fixed version as my valentines day gift to you |
| 02:08.03 | wegstar | ok... thx |
| 02:08.04 | lan56 | alright, skip the valentines day gift part, I'll just commit it in a sec :) |
| 02:08.13 | wegstar | aww... :) |
| 02:10.28 | sgk284 | wegstar, i was going to ++ you for an awesome password first time around... then you go and use a dictionary word?! |
| 02:10.31 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 02:10.57 | wegstar | um... "nader" is my username on bzflag :) |
| 02:11.18 | sgk284 | ~rot13 nader |
| 02:11.18 | ibot | anqre |
| 02:12.11 | wegstar | I was desperate at that time... someone could've killed me.. |
| 02:12.20 | wegstar | no time to go generate a new random one :) |
| 02:14.10 | blog | /ghost wegstar foo |
| 02:14.13 | blog | okies |
| 02:15.56 | wegstar | ~whaleslap blog |
| 02:15.58 | ibot | ACTION slaps blog upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 02:16.06 | blog | :D |
| 02:16.12 | Pizbit | Poor hugh. |
| 02:16.15 | blog | just testing |
| 02:16.17 | wegstar | :) |
| 02:19.38 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Downloads.cxx: the declaration in dowloads.h is the same for both HAVE_CURL and no HAVE_CURL, yet the definition has two types |
| 02:19.40 | lan56 | tell me if that was a stupid commit, for some reason I feel it works for everyone else and I messed up somewhere, but let's hope I actually fixed something there :) |
| 02:19.59 | wegstar | ah...ok |
| 02:25.17 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Downloads.cxx: removeTextures() is declared but was only previously defined for HAVE_CURL, just make a placeholder so it builds for no HAVE_CURL builds |
| 02:26.15 | trepan | why is that a fixme? |
| 02:26.40 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Downloads.cxx: clean it up |
| 02:26.44 | lan56 | I thought there must be a better way to fix it |
| 02:26.54 | lan56 | but I couldnt think of one, so I thought maybe someone else will |
| 02:27.10 | trepan | better way would be to make libcurl mandatory |
| 02:27.32 | lan56 | that does sound like a better way |
| 02:28.11 | lan56 | let me look into that for dev-c++ in a sec then |
| 02:28.23 | trepan | as well as libadns or c-ares |
| 02:28.54 | lan56 | right on |
| 02:31.13 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/bzflag.dev: updates |
| 02:31.14 | lan56 | wegstar: that updates it, try it now |
| 02:31.21 | wegstar | ok |
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| 02:31.57 | lan56 | wait, actually I think sf.net may have a lag for cvs updates, I hope you are a developer |
| 02:32.07 | wegstar | no.. of course not |
| 02:32.32 | lan56 | well, try updating CVS anyway, it may work anyway |
| 02:32.51 | lan56 | or pull the diff file out of the commit email if you subscribe |
| 02:34.10 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/bzfs.dev: whoops, one more |
| 02:41.19 | orchid | ~blog++ |
| 02:41.48 | wegstar | ahh... |
| 02:45.00 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/ (Dev-C++/bzflag.dev Dev-C++/config.h README.DEVC++): make libCURL required |
| 02:45.29 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Downloads.cxx: uhm, ya |
| 02:47.56 | Grumbler | heh, too much blender |
| 02:48.15 | Grumbler | http://www.galkire.net/dragon4.jpg |
| 02:49.00 | Pizbit | heh |
| 02:49.10 | trepan | vertex coloring? |
| 02:49.36 | Grumbler | yeah, i guess |
| 02:49.43 | Grumbler | i dont know, i am playing :) |
| 02:49.51 | trepan | =) |
| 02:50.08 | lan56 | grumbler: it looks really neat |
| 02:50.57 | Grumbler | http://www.galkire.net/dragon4_2.jpg |
| 02:51.04 | Grumbler | thnx |
| 02:51.24 | wegstar | ~bzfquery node.game-server.cc:5154 |
| 02:51.32 | Pizbit | eyes...:) |
| 02:51.49 | Pizbit | Grumbler: Going to animate it too? |
| 02:52.13 | Grumbler | http://www.galkire.net/dragon4_3.jpg |
| 02:52.17 | Grumbler | heh, animate |
| 02:52.30 | Grumbler | man, i just got the hang of coloring |
| 02:53.01 | Grumbler | although i think i might ask my 10 year nephew to do the rest......it will come out better :) |
| 02:53.04 | Pizbit | lol |
| 02:54.05 | Grumbler | now, if i can only get it, into bzflag |
| 02:54.19 | trepan | what's the poly count on that bad boy? |
| 02:58.16 | Grumbler | grep on face right, word count that..... 5643 |
| 02:58.29 | trepan | divide by 2 for endface :) |
| 03:00.55 | Grumbler | haha, i just loaded up the server.....small problem with scale......its smaller than the turret |
| 03:01.02 | Pizbit | hehehe |
| 03:01.39 | Pizbit | for measurement in dragon: measurement *= 2 |
| 03:02.18 | trepan | Grumbler: define/group is your friend |
| 03:03.04 | Grumbler | it was pretty funny, like a little gnat |
| 03:06.30 | Grumbler | thats it for me tonight.....finally got the face |
| 03:07.23 | Grumbler | exit |
| 03:07.26 | Grumbler | ug |
| 03:07.28 | Grumbler | ugh' |
| 03:07.30 | Grumbler | ugh |
| 03:07.39 | Grumbler | grumble,grumble,grumble |
| 03:08.04 | wegstar | ~bzfquery node.game-server.cc:5154 |
| 03:09.37 | wegstar | quick qestion.. in observer mode, how can one switch from a player to the next? |
| 03:10.08 | trepan | F6/F7 |
| 03:12.46 | wegstar | thx |
| 03:15.29 | orange | trepan: you a client dev? |
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| 03:17.26 | trepan | orange: client dev? |
| 03:17.38 | orange | well, do you work on the client or the server, or both? |
| 03:17.53 | trepan | both |
| 03:18.47 | orange | can you consider this patch to allow observers to f6/f7 through non-alive players... not much to it, I'm sure you can do it faster than applying the patch, but: http://pastebin.ca/5545 |
| 03:18.59 | orange | I've mentioned it here before, but I don't think anyone picked it up. |
| 03:19.16 | trepan | ask Tupone, that's his bag |
| 03:19.25 | trepan | he's recenlty put a patch in the area, iirc |
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| 03:19.47 | orange | k |
| 03:19.49 | trepan | Feb11: Roaming switching from player to player exclude only Observer |
| 03:20.59 | orange | hehe |
| 03:21.07 | orange | we appreciate it anyway, even if we don't want it |
| 03:21.11 | orange | thanks for looking |
| 03:21.54 | orange | ~trepan++ |
| 03:21.57 | orange | ~tupone++ |
| 03:26.59 | wegstar | 352 C:\bzflag\src\common\URLManager.cxx prototype for `bool URLManager::getFileTime(const std::string&, time_t&)' does not match any in class `URLManager' |
| 03:27.14 | wegstar | 38 C:\bzflag\include\URLManager.h bool URLManager::getFileTime(time_t&) |
| 03:27.24 | wegstar | help... |
| 03:28.25 | trepan | update URLManager.cxx |
| 03:29.04 | trepan | if you're using anon cvs, there might be a mismatch until the changes are copied over |
| 03:29.52 | blast007 | is the sync delay still something like 5 hours? |
| 03:30.46 | wegstar | ok |
| 03:31.36 | trepan | blast007: yup, but it's unlikely that the commits get split across the sync times |
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| 03:57.40 | brlcad | good read for any into project management: http://opensource.ucc.ie/icse2001/asklundbendix.pdf |
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| 03:59.23 | MeBigFatGuy | outstanding people participating in OSS projects." |
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| 04:00.35 | MeBigFatGuy | -- more likely oss succeeds because there is no marketing/sales or management types involved :) |
| 04:08.19 | brlcad | hehe |
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| 04:27.49 | wegstar | apparently most of the unregistered bzflag players do not know where the forums are... : |
| 04:28.07 | wegstar | and there are a few which do not know what a forum is... |
| 04:28.30 | blast007 | heh :) |
| 04:30.18 | wegstar | that is a problem.. |
| 04:31.54 | wegstar | can't the message of the day be changed to help those people? |
| 04:32.48 | Tegan | only those who read (and speak the language of the motd) |
| 04:33.22 | wegstar | oh well... it *might* help... |
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| 04:37.42 | jpa_ | ~weather EFTU |
| 04:37.42 | brlcad | it could be changed |
| 04:37.49 | brlcad | "tip of the day" or soemthing |
| 04:37.49 | jpa_ | aaaaaaaaargh |
| 04:37.53 | jpa_ | -20 |
| 04:39.35 | wegstar | at least give the URL of the forums.. now that's understood in most languages :) |
| 04:40.04 | Pizbit | Or give the ability to create a global login from within bzflag. |
| 04:40.26 | wegstar | yeah... :) |
| 04:40.38 | wegstar | smart.. should've thought of that :) |
| 04:41.47 | brlcad | that was thought of, just not implemented |
| 04:41.47 | Pizbit | Well, you know what they say, patches welcome. :D |
| 04:45.42 | orchid | hi SportChick |
| 04:46.04 | SportChick | hi orchid |
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| 04:49.13 | wegstar | ouch.. frozen shots really hurt... |
| 04:55.04 | wegstar | !weather 94030 |
| 05:01.26 | sgk284 | trepan, in regards to a comment you made earlier... you do all the stuff that people don't realize they want ;) |
| 05:01.50 | sgk284 | then they become dependant on it and cry when if its taken away:) |
| 05:01.57 | sgk284 | ~trepan++ |
| 05:02.26 | sgk284 | for takings bzflag's graphics in a complete 360 with one version |
| 05:02.33 | sgk284 | err for that matter a 540 |
| 05:02.50 | Pizbit | Eh? |
| 05:03.14 | sgk284 | turn around... |
| 05:03.16 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 05:03.31 | Pizbit | Nonono |
| 05:03.41 | Pizbit | To see in 540 degrees at once. |
| 05:03.44 | sgk284 | ~sin(540) |
| 05:04.04 | sgk284 | ~2+2 |
| 05:04.05 | ibot | 4 |
| 05:04.29 | wegstar | hmm... |
| 05:04.33 | sgk284 | and tim isnt even on for me to yell at him.... no trig functions |
| 05:04.38 | sgk284 | :) |
| 05:06.32 | sgk284 | ~log(10) |
| 05:08.58 | sgk284 | heh |
| 05:09.46 | sgk284 | 3 Pi better? |
| 05:10.28 | sgk284 | ~pi |
| 05:10.29 | ibot | somebody said pi was 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 05:13.20 | cods | last digit is wrong, should be 2 :) (a 7 follow) |
| 05:14.08 | sgk284 | heh doesnt matter... 100 digits is enough to approximate the circumferance of the known universe within an atom |
| 05:14.10 | cods | [...]0917153644. Look like you can't trust ibot for precise computation. bah :) |
| 05:14.16 | sgk284 | :) |
| 05:14.35 | sgk284 | i used to know 62 digits of pi back 3 or 4 years ago i did a lot of work with it |
| 05:14.44 | sgk284 | now i'm lucky if i can spew out 40 or so |
| 05:15.22 | cods | I can only remember the first 30 digits (using some text where each word length give a digit) |
| 05:15.36 | sgk284 | oh one of the m- things |
| 05:15.36 | cods | but, that's faster to type N[Pi,50] in mathematica :) |
| 05:15.43 | sgk284 | heh |
| 05:15.49 | sgk284 | i'm a maple fan myself |
| 05:15.59 | sgk284 | both are good products :) |
| 05:19.41 | cods | unfortunately, cost too much for a single user for "playing" with them. |
| 05:20.51 | cods | hmm, "SHA-1 Broken" (in Slashdot). Gasp. |
| 05:21.05 | MeBigFatGuy | nify |
| 05:22.03 | sgk284 | cods nothing to worry about... |
| 05:22.11 | sgk284 | paper not released yet anyways |
| 05:22.41 | sgk284 | a brute force on sha-1 takes 2**80 hash operations... this brings it down to 2**69 assuming no flaws are found in the paper |
| 05:23.26 | sgk284 | thats 2040 times faster, significant but still for the average person its not that big a deal |
| 05:23.51 | sgk284 | already did the math... assuming 1 trillion operations a second it'll take 18.7 years to find a collision |
| 05:24.20 | sgk284 | the NSA could probably do it significantly faster... but for the average joe its not a big problem |
| 05:24.59 | sgk284 | if someone wants you that bad, your a fool for using sha-1... bump up to 256 :) |
| 05:25.45 | cods | the title is misleading then: "SHA-1 has been broken. Not a reduced-round version. Not a simplified version. The real thing." |
| 05:26.13 | cods | yep.. not so bad after all :) |
| 05:26.18 | sgk284 | :) |
| 05:26.28 | sgk284 | aren't all titles? ;) |
| 05:27.00 | sgk284 | 2048* times faster... jsut wanted to correct a typo |
| 05:27.32 | sgk284 | s/jsut/just |
| 05:27.33 | sgk284 | heh |
| 05:31.53 | orchid | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.13 | DTRemenak | heh. |
| 05:32.24 | sgk284 | heh when i corrected that second typo i autmatically thought of a stack overflow from recursing too much |
| 05:35.53 | sgk284 | lol |
| 05:35.55 | DTRemenak | orchid is a vassal-willed bucket of swag-bellied rat retch |
| 05:35.59 | DTRemenak | s/a vassal-willed bucket of swag-bellied rat retch/wonderful/ |
| 05:36.21 | orchid | DTRemenak: thats not very nice! |
| 05:36.24 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, can bzfs read a config piped from stdin... /me doesnt think so |
| 05:36.43 | DTRemenak | hm, now either I know she does, or she's pretending she does |
| 05:36.47 | DTRemenak | that wasn't very conclusive |
| 05:36.59 | sgk284 | lol |
| 05:37.16 | sgk284 | s/orchid can you see this/hello |
| 05:37.45 | DTRemenak | see, that she could just ignore, or she could not be watching. also inconclusive. |
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| 05:38.07 | brlcad | I bet you wear pants most of the time |
| 05:38.17 | sgk284 | s/orchid hates puppies if she ignores this/orchid also hates bunnies |
| 05:38.32 | orchid | aww cmon |
| 05:38.39 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 05:38.40 | sgk284 | lol yea! i win |
| 05:38.50 | sgk284 | hehe |
| 05:38.54 | sgk284 | ~orchid++ |
| 05:39.09 | brlcad | save the puppies |
| 05:39.10 | DTRemenak | grr..."Someone already said that 4 seconds ago" |
| 05:39.12 | DTRemenak | ~orchid++ |
| 05:39.13 | brlcad | feed them bunnies |
| 05:39.17 | sgk284 | lol |
| 05:40.23 | sgk284 | dont feed the puppies to themselves... they'll get mad puppy disease |
| 05:40.28 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:41.15 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, what i was getting at is... think any one would object to a commandline param like -stdin and then have bzfs read in the config from stdin? |
| 05:41.30 | sgk284 | either that or allow bzfs to read the config from a website.. or something |
| 05:41.54 | sgk284 | i was thinking like mysql... but it might work out better if it just parses a php generated page instead of direct connecting to a databse |
| 05:41.58 | sgk284 | database* |
| 05:42.02 | DTRemenak | why not just "cat - > config" |
| 05:42.10 | DTRemenak | then read from config |
| 05:42.43 | sgk284 | yea i guess... |
| 05:43.03 | DTRemenak | or curl http://some.site.tld/config > config |
| 05:43.20 | cods | curl -s even |
| 05:43.25 | cods | to suppress progression display |
| 05:43.34 | cods | (even if sent to stderr, it's nicer imho) |
| 05:43.37 | sgk284 | some server admin expressed interest in having a central config and being able to have multiple servers read it... so i immediately though mysql but then thought it might be better to just pass a url and and have bzfs grab the config |
| 05:44.05 | sgk284 | okay fair enough:) wont work well for windows folk though |
| 05:44.24 | DTRemenak | can you stack configs? e.g. bzfs -conf global.conf -conf server.conf ? |
| 05:44.54 | sgk284 | i have not a clue... i would think not |
| 05:44.55 | DTRemenak | sgk284, http/ftp support for -conf would probably be a Good Thing |
| 05:45.17 | sgk284 | there ya go DTRemenak thats the answer ! |
| 05:45.43 | sgk284 | heh much cleaner then adding a new option |
| 05:45.44 | DTRemenak | especially if they're stackable |
| 05:45.57 | sgk284 | what a novel idea...extend the functionality of a prexisting option |
| 05:46.03 | sgk284 | he |
| 05:46.07 | MeBigFatGuy | type > config |
| 05:46.07 | sgk284 | s/he/heh |
| 05:46.21 | orchid | I saw that |
| 05:46.21 | DTRemenak | then you could do "bzfs -conf http://bzflag.secretplace.us/server-config -conf mylocalsettings" |
| 05:46.27 | sgk284 | orchid, you read my mind |
| 05:46.31 | sgk284 | lol |
| 05:46.43 | sgk284 | and assume the latter has precedence? |
| 05:46.57 | MeBigFatGuy | has the proto been broken yet? |
| 05:46.59 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, along those lines... groupdb and userdb could be done as well :) |
| 05:47.30 | DTRemenak | might be more "issues" with those |
| 05:47.31 | sgk284 | MeBigFatGuy, not to my knowledge, although trepans texture downloading stuff... wont work without the appropriate client |
| 05:47.41 | sgk284 | older clients just ignore it, i think |
| 05:47.44 | DTRemenak | MeBigFatGuy, protocol has not been broken |
| 05:47.56 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, how so? |
| 05:48.23 | DTRemenak | sgk284, for one thing they're writable |
| 05:48.29 | DTRemenak | can't write back to http |
| 05:48.58 | sgk284 | okay... simple solution |
| 05:48.58 | DTRemenak | what happens if you try to /reload and they no longer exist? |
| 05:49.02 | DTRemenak | stuff like that |
| 05:49.04 | sgk284 | redesign http |
| 05:49.07 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 05:49.09 | sgk284 | :) |
| 05:49.32 | DTRemenak | bptp - bzflag permissions transfer protocol |
| 05:49.43 | sgk284 | heh |
| 05:50.09 | sgk284 | i felt the need to add a disclaimer as to avoid actually having to redesign http |
| 05:50.13 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 05:50.28 | DTRemenak | stacked -confs probably already work, but I haven't tried |
| 05:50.35 | DTRemenak | it's obvious enough it ought to work |
| 05:50.57 | DTRemenak | and given that, remote support would be really cool |
| 05:50.59 | sgk284 | although which would have precedence? |
| 05:51.02 | DTRemenak | last |
| 05:51.17 | DTRemenak | all the args are processed first to last |
| 05:51.45 | DTRemenak | I think -conf overrides the switches before and is overridden by those after even...haven't tried that either tho :) |
| 05:52.33 | MeBigFatGuy | yes |
| 05:53.12 | MeBigFatGuy | not sure what happens if you have a -conf entry in a conf file... probably recurses correctly |
| 05:53.21 | DTRemenak | ooh |
| 05:53.23 | MeBigFatGuy | unless of course it is self referencing |
| 05:53.24 | DTRemenak | coooool |
| 05:53.56 | DTRemenak | yeah, probably does |
| 05:53.59 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, multi confs work fine |
| 05:54.04 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 05:54.11 | DTRemenak | http/ftp support would be nifty then |
| 05:54.12 | MeBigFatGuy | i done that! |
| 05:54.18 | MeBigFatGuy | <as long as it works> |
| 05:54.37 | sgk284 | well the curl support is already there... should be too much a stretch i would hope |
| 05:54.41 | sgk284 | shouldnt* |
| 05:54.42 | DTRemenak | the world reader supports it now |
| 05:54.45 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 05:54.56 | DTRemenak | reference code even (from the world reader) |
| 05:55.08 | sgk284 | heh even better:) |
| 05:55.43 | sgk284 | heh self referencing a conf in a conf causes a seg fault |
| 05:55.49 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:55.55 | DTRemenak | surprise surprise! |
| 05:55.57 | sgk284 | lol |
| 05:56.35 | DTRemenak | now...what does the infinitely recursive case do? |
| 05:56.46 | DTRemenak | a.conf includes b.conf includes a.conf... :) |
| 05:56.51 | sgk284 | heh |
| 05:56.52 | MeBigFatGuy | boom |
| 05:57.47 | wegstar | ~bzfquery node.game-server.cc:5154 |
| 05:58.35 | trepan | and it loads the PNGs that are currently borked |
| 05:59.02 | sgk284 | who did the png loader |
| 05:59.08 | sgk284 | wasnt that dtr? |
| 05:59.11 | trepan | dunno |
| 05:59.23 | trepan | did it the hard way though, without libpng :) |
| 05:59.29 | DTRemenak | MeBigFatGuy did most of it |
| 05:59.29 | trepan | gotta respect that |
| 05:59.34 | DTRemenak | I just fixed a bunch of stuff |
| 05:59.40 | sgk284 | ahh okay:) |
| 05:59.47 | DTRemenak | trepan, what png's won't load as is? |
| 05:59.50 | trepan | oh ya, SDL_image is a nice option |
| 06:00.04 | trepan | DTRemenak: gimp2 generated, the default opengl2.0 logo, etc... |
| 06:00.09 | DTRemenak | I fixed enough bugs that I couldn't find any images that wouldn't load |
| 06:00.10 | MeBigFatGuy | the crazy dither mode |
| 06:00.13 | trepan | a whole bunch of them don't seem to |
| 06:00.16 | DTRemenak | ah, dithering |
| 06:00.24 | DTRemenak | interlacing won't work |
| 06:00.38 | DTRemenak | other than that just about everything "ought" to work |
| 06:01.20 | trepan | it's used on my test server |
| 06:02.15 | trepan | http://opengl.org/images_global/opengl_logo_2_0.png |
| 06:02.41 | DTRemenak | hm, yeah doesn't look quite right... |
| 06:03.16 | sgk284 | ~java |
| 06:03.17 | ibot | [java] at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com, or see the "mpkg-j2se" package |
| 06:03.42 | trepan | shouldn't be any hard objections to sdl_image, it's in debian and supports all the sdl platforms |
| 06:04.35 | DTRemenak | we still don't require SDL though |
| 06:04.43 | trepan | and you still won't |
| 06:04.49 | DTRemenak | there won't be any objection to using it optionally |
| 06:04.55 | trepan | that's how it's done |
| 06:05.17 | trepan | although folks without libcurl and SDL may be disappointed |
| 06:05.20 | DTRemenak | only thing is that it might encourage people to use images that don't work on non-SDL builds, which could be considered as good or bad |
| 06:05.41 | trepan | should enforce SDL, curl, and adns (or c-ares) |
| 06:06.04 | trepan | except for windows folks and their blessed rumble pads |
| 06:06.08 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:06.17 | DTRemenak | should enforce curl |
| 06:06.32 | DTRemenak | adns isn't necessary for non-server builds |
| 06:06.46 | trepan | jammed up screens suck |
| 06:06.52 | trepan | show also have mutli-curl |
| 06:06.57 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 06:07.10 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.21 | DTRemenak | not sure I've tested colormapped |
| 06:07.46 | DTRemenak | might have broken it when fixing multiple-IDAT pngs |
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| 07:09.22 | DTRemenak | heh. |
| 07:10.44 | MeBigFatGuy | hmm, didn't know brlcad was on sf |
| 07:11.10 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/mediafile/PNGImageFile.cxx: Fix colormapped PNG loading, add some high-debug-level debuggage for the PNG reader |
| 07:13.52 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: Fix colormapped PNG loading, add some high-debug-level debuggage for the PNG reader |
| 07:18.48 | MeBigFatGuy | should be removed |
| 07:19.03 | DTRemenak | trepan, if you find any others that don't work please let me know. it should read all non-interlaced pngs. |
| 07:19.27 | Pimpi | but it doesn't start puplic servers,no? |
| 07:20.11 | Pimpi | no |
| 07:20.28 | Pimpi | it's ok then, but is it already fixed in cvs? |
| 07:21.31 | DTRemenak | fixed? |
| 07:21.43 | Pimpi | it was broken |
| 07:21.54 | Pimpi | afauk |
| 07:21.57 | Pimpi | afaik |
| 07:22.15 | DTRemenak | ah, the menu. was only broken on windows, and that has been fixed |
| 07:22.30 | Pimpi | nice :) |
| 07:34.40 | trepan | DTRemenak: will do (although i probably won't be using that code...) |
| 07:35.08 | DTRemenak | thanks. don't need to go out of your way, just if you happen to notice... :) |
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| 08:40.33 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/mediafile/PNGImageFile.cxx: oops, don't break 8-bit RGB decoding... |
| 09:52.30 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/mediafile/PNGImageFile.cxx: properly handle 1-, 2-, and 4-bit colormapped pngs also |
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| 12:00.23 | jpa_ | morning |
| 12:05.55 | mmu_man | gahh |
| 12:05.56 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.56 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:08.15 | cristi | hi all |
| 12:11.39 | jpa_ | hello |
| 12:14.27 | cristi | jpa_: from where i can download bzmap-system-2.0 ? |
| 12:14.38 | cristi | Thumper doesnt answer |
| 12:14.43 | cristi | :( |
| 12:14.54 | jpa_ | there is not one yet, i think |
| 12:15.04 | cristi | it is |
| 12:15.12 | cristi | i have it on linux |
| 12:15.16 | cristi | now i am on windows |
| 12:15.18 | jpa_ | if there is, bzflag.tuxee.net -> arch 2005 browsing would have it |
| 12:15.29 | cristi | k |
| 12:15.32 | jpa_ | is there? |
| 12:15.33 | jpa_ | cool |
| 12:16.20 | cristi | yes |
| 12:16.20 | cristi | :) |
| 12:16.31 | cristi | i have python installed |
| 12:16.35 | cristi | !!! |
| 12:16.47 | jpa_ | humm |
| 12:16.55 | jpa_ | 1.0 is the latest release i see |
| 12:17.00 | cristi | i need a program to view tar.gz file |
| 12:17.02 | cristi | noe |
| 12:17.11 | cristi | nope |
| 12:17.14 | cristi | go to link : |
| 12:17.21 | cristi | http://arch.tuxee.net/archzoom.cgi/frederic@jolliton.com--2005-main/bzmap-system--bzflag2--0.1--base-0 |
| 12:17.24 | cristi | hahaha |
| 12:17.47 | jpa_ | well, yes, bzflag2 version but not released one |
| 12:17.54 | jpa_ | 2.0 is not ready yet, i think |
| 12:18.01 | cristi | haha |
| 12:18.02 | jpa_ | and winzip can open tar.gz |
| 12:18.08 | cristi | k |
| 12:18.14 | cristi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.54 | cristi | jpa_: it doesnt extract the archive |
| 12:23.01 | cristi | in archive are other archive :P |
| 12:23.03 | cristi | :( |
| 12:23.28 | jpa_ | so open the other, difficult? |
| 12:23.33 | cristi | :) |
| 12:23.50 | cristi | i redownload the bzmap20 |
| 12:24.29 | jpa_ | there is not 2.0 |
| 12:24.37 | cristi | it does not works ;) |
| 12:24.42 | cristi | there is |
| 12:24.48 | jpa_ | humm |
| 12:24.58 | cristi | you go to the link i've typed ? |
| 12:25.00 | jpa_ | why does not the developer (cods) know he has made one? |
| 12:25.51 | cristi | dunno |
| 12:25.51 | cristi | :) |
| 12:25.51 | cristi | .. |
| 12:25.56 | cods | technically, there is bzmap for bzflag 1.10, a bzmap for bzflag 2.0 but not really usefull because support for new features are sort of hacks, then there is 2 complete rewrites to fully support bzflag 2.0 |
| 12:26.15 | cods | the last of these rewrite is here: |
| 12:26.16 | cods | http://arch.tuxee.net/archzoom.cgi/frederic@jolliton.com--2005-main/bzmap-system--experimental--0.2 |
| 12:26.25 | cods | but it's not completed yet. |
| 12:26.49 | cods | however, there is enough thing to generate the map running on bzflag3.tuxee.net:45155 |
| 12:27.03 | cods | (the included 'test.py' script generate this map) |
| 12:28.14 | cristi | cods, why i cant open bzmap-system-2.0 with winzip ? |
| 12:28.14 | cristi | i redownloaded the file |
| 12:28.14 | cristi | you have a idea ? |
| 12:29.06 | jpa_ | cristi: why not just use linux and be happy |
| 12:29.25 | cristi | :) |
| 12:29.33 | cristi | bcuz i want windows |
| 12:29.36 | cristi | :)) |
| 12:29.44 | cristi | : D D D |
| 12:30.14 | jpa_ | your problem, you solve it |
| 12:30.40 | cristi | gtg now |
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| 13:05.45 | bz0167 | hi |
| 13:05.57 | jpa_ | hello |
| 13:06.02 | bz0167 | how to put change weather condition with bzflag 2.0.0 ? |
| 13:06.08 | bz0167 | to change sorry |
| 13:07.03 | jpa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.06 | jpa_ | oops |
| 13:07.07 | mmu_man | someone fix the build plz |
| 13:07.09 | jpa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.15 | jpa_ | mmu_man: what build? |
| 13:07.26 | bz0167 | as administrator once the server is launched ? |
| 13:07.38 | jpa_ | yup |
| 13:07.44 | bz0167 | GREAT thanks a lot ! |
| 13:07.46 | mmu_man | bz |
| 13:07.50 | jpa_ | or in command line -set _rainType snow |
| 13:08.08 | jpa_ | mmu_man: umm, "fix the build" is not very descriptive |
| 13:08.10 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.11 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.27 | jpa_ | cvs or stable? |
| 13:08.32 | mmu_man | jpa_ I already pasted that an hour ago, so just catsup |
| 13:08.33 | mmu_man | cvs |
| 13:09.04 | jpa_ | haven't checked.. |
| 13:09.22 | jpa_ | btw.. /boot/home/bzflag ...wtf? |
| 13:09.41 | mmu_man | wwtf ? |
| 13:10.06 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.07 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.25 | jpa_ | ok.. |
| 13:10.33 | jpa_ | not very familiar with beos |
| 13:10.48 | jpa_ | just having home under /boot sounds really strange |
| 13:11.33 | mmu_man | well /boot is the boot partition |
| 13:11.40 | mmu_man | since we have a virtual root |
| 13:11.55 | jpa_ | yes.. in linux it is usually <50M |
| 13:11.56 | mmu_man | linux has that now I think... |
| 13:12.04 | mmu_man | just took them 10 years |
| 13:12.08 | jpa_ | for grub files kernel and such |
| 13:12.08 | mmu_man | like the rest =) |
| 13:12.38 | mmu_man | yeah I still have a 16M root linux partition somewhere |
| 13:12.53 | mmu_man | s/root/boot/ |
| 13:13.55 | jpa_ | but.. why is /home /boot/home |
| 13:15.23 | jpa_ | does sound strange.. but never used beos for extended periods |
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| 13:43.41 | mmu_man | jpa_ because there is a single user by default in BeOS |
| 13:43.47 | mmu_man | (uid 0) |
| 13:43.58 | mmu_man | so he has $HOME=/boot/home |
| 13:46.00 | mmu_man | and noone bothered symlinking it to /home |
| 13:46.43 | mmu_man | (usual beos installs are single partition, beos is not meant as server os) |
| 13:53.23 | Pimpi | mmu_man: is that build anon cvs or dev? |
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| 13:54.59 | Pimpi | the error seems to occur where it is checked if the textures have to be reloaded, but i thought this had been fixed already |
| 13:55.43 | mmu_man | dev |
| 13:56.20 | Pimpi | thought so |
| 13:56.42 | mmu_man | well I have other things to do anyway |
| 13:57.10 | ep | I'm donwloading FlightGear, this any good? Can I fly with a keyboard? |
| 13:58.20 | Pimpi | what is FlightHear? |
| 13:58.37 | mmu_man | hmm maybe it has to do me doing a VPATH build ? |
| 13:58.37 | Pimpi | FlightGear* |
| 13:58.40 | blast007 | "FlightGear is an open-source, multi-platform flight simulator." |
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| 14:03.25 | ep | *Fly free :-) |
| 14:05.37 | Pimpi | mmu_man: u built without curl? |
| 14:06.15 | TheRedBaron | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 14:07.39 | jpa_ | mmu_man: really? uid 0? is that the superuser in beos also? is beos used as superuser? |
| 14:08.08 | Pimpi | if it is uses as singlu user os, why not? |
| 14:08.25 | jpa_ | hmm.. maybe.. |
| 14:08.51 | Pimpi | (well, i know why not, but no other with most windows installations, eh?) |
| 14:08.55 | jpa_ | i'm just too well-trained linux user and feel scared when someone tells he uses his computer with uid 0 |
| 14:09.04 | jpa_ | true |
| 14:09.42 | mmu_man | Pimpi don't have curl |
| 14:09.49 | mmu_man | do'nt think it's even ported |
| 14:09.58 | mmu_man | jpa_ yes it is |
| 14:10.22 | mmu_man | when BeOS was created there weren't that many dangerous ppl on the net :) |
| 14:10.22 | Pimpi | mmu_man: needs to be like bool getFileTime(time_t &t) |
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| 14:10.42 | Pimpi | wrong parameters |
| 14:11.02 | mmu_man | I know, I didn't write that code :p |
| 14:11.16 | Pimpi | but you could fix it ;) |
| 14:11.44 | mmu_man | jpa_ also, most of BeOS knows about users but some parts of the GUI don't care, so some apps behave badly when setuid |
| 14:11.55 | mmu_man | I guess I could |
| 14:12.31 | mmu_man | let's see... |
| 14:12.46 | mmu_man | jpa_ but Zeta will definitely get multiuser, don't know when though |
| 14:12.59 | blast007 | according to the sf.net page for curl, it works on BeOS |
| 14:13.39 | mmu_man | great |
| 14:13.47 | mmu_man | will have a look when I'm less busy |
| 14:14.42 | mmu_man | seems to compile now |
| 14:35.54 | SportChick | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 14:35.58 | ibot | nidhoggr is currently on #brlcad #bzflag. Has said a total of 166 messages. Is idling for 20h 47m 35s |
| 14:36.54 | *** join/#bzflag Grumbler (~Grumbler@grumbler.bronze.supporter.pdpc) |
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| 14:49.37 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/common/URLManager.cxx: yet another "make it match" |
| 14:51.43 | cristi | ~seen Thumper_ |
| 14:51.44 | ibot | thumper_ is currently on #bzflag (1d 1h 50m 25s). Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 18h 46m 19s |
| 14:52.04 | Thumper_ | I'm here |
| 14:52.08 | cristi | ok |
| 14:52.17 | cristi | why you do not respond to my messanges |
| 14:52.20 | cristi | why you do not respond to my messages? |
| 14:52.31 | cristi | in private chat |
| 14:52.33 | cristi | :) |
| 14:52.42 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~d59c36c2@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 14:54.27 | jpa_ | cristi: because he is too tired to, and you are annoying? :) |
| 14:57.59 | Thumper_ | cristi: because by the time I see them you have logged off... |
| 14:58.07 | Thumper_ | christi: :-P |
| 14:59.32 | mmu_man | trepan_away was faster |
| 14:59.40 | mmu_man | well, had a real-life interrupt |
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| 15:04.23 | stevek | g' morning |
| 15:04.39 | stevek | lol |
| 15:04.56 | stevek | did you send me a memo or something that i havent read? |
| 15:05.20 | stevek | haha |
| 15:12.14 | SportChick | ~Tupone++ |
| 15:12.33 | SportChick | ~lart stevek |
| 15:12.48 | stevek | heh |
| 15:13.32 | sgk284_reloaded | ~lart SportChick |
| 15:13.51 | SportChick | give it back |
| 15:14.19 | sgk284_reloaded | hehe |
| 15:14.28 | sgk284_reloaded | ugh that nick is too long... |
| 15:14.41 | sgk284_reloaded | SportChick, i will not! its mine forever! |
| 15:14.54 | sgk | there we go |
| 15:15.24 | jpa_ | ~karma sgk |
| 15:15.24 | ibot | sgk has karma of -1 |
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| 15:15.31 | sgk | lol |
| 15:15.32 | jpa_ | fits for you :) |
| 15:16.14 | sgk1 | ~sgk++ |
| 15:16.23 | sgk | ~karma sgk |
| 15:16.23 | ibot | sgk has neutral karma |
| 15:16.26 | sgk | awesome |
| 15:16.30 | sgk | :) |
| 15:16.47 | sgk | ~karma sgk284 |
| 15:16.47 | ibot | sgk284 has karma of 41 |
| 15:17.16 | sgk | ~sgk284-- |
| 15:17.32 | sgk | there... i took a point from sgk284 and gave it to sgk |
| 15:17.47 | SportChick | ~sgk-- |
| 15:17.53 | sgk | :( |
| 15:17.55 | sgk | lol |
| 15:18.04 | SportChick | gimme back my mojo and I'll give you back your karma |
| 15:18.40 | jpa_ | ~sgk-- |
| 15:18.46 | sgk | lol |
| 15:18.49 | sgk | :( |
| 15:19.08 | jpa_ | !hug sgk |
| 15:19.11 | SportChick | ~sgk++ |
| 15:19.14 | jpa_ | ~hug sgk |
| 15:19.16 | ibot | ACTION hugs sgk |
| 15:19.22 | SportChick | ~sgk++ |
| 15:19.23 | sgk | yey :) |
| 15:19.32 | sgk | ~jpa_++ |
| 15:19.38 | sgk | ~SportChick++ |
| 15:20.07 | jpa_ | ~sgk284++ |
| 15:20.22 | SportChick | ~jpa_++ |
| 15:20.30 | jpa_ | is your middlename gabriel etc.? |
| 15:20.46 | Grumbler | what is this a religious channel or something......with all this karma being thrown about |
| 15:20.54 | sgk | me? |
| 15:20.54 | SportChick | ~Grumbler++ |
| 15:20.55 | sgk | nope |
| 15:21.08 | SportChick | Grumbler: nope - it's the secular karma channel |
| 15:21.10 | sgk | ~grumbler++ |
| 15:21.16 | sgk | you have been assimilated |
| 15:21.22 | jpa_ | sgk: so where comes sgk from? |
| 15:21.32 | sgk | from me |
| 15:21.41 | jpa_ | ohhh |
| 15:21.41 | sgk | :) |
| 15:21.44 | jpa_ | how obvious! |
| 15:21.57 | sgk | its my initials + the first 3 numbers of my address |
| 15:22.14 | sgk | i use it for everything and have done so since i was about 6or 7 |
| 15:22.15 | SportChick | did you guys see the article about Tupone? |
| 15:22.17 | sgk | 6 or 7* |
| 15:22.22 | sgk | SportChick, where? |
| 15:22.25 | SportChick | http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/02/09/1628250.shtml?tid=150 |
| 15:22.44 | SportChick | "Linux Club Italia" is his pub |
| 15:23.14 | sgk | ~qbaisc++ |
| 15:23.20 | sgk | ~qbasic++ |
| 15:23.21 | sgk | heh |
| 15:23.24 | cods | ~typo++ |
| 15:23.31 | sgk | lol |
| 15:24.02 | trepan | http://www.linux-club.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=18 |
| 15:24.02 | jpa_ | sgk: oh, what a imitator |
| 15:24.33 | jpa_ | sgk: i started with quickbasic too and my nick is from my initials :S |
| 15:24.42 | sgk | hehe |
| 15:25.17 | jpa_ | while i started using jpa only at the age of 10 or so |
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| 15:56.49 | ToughShooter | ping Nidhoggr |
| 15:56.57 | Nidhoggr | hey. |
| 15:57.09 | Grumbler | wow, that was quick Nidhoggr |
| 15:57.14 | cristi | ~ping Nidhoggr |
| 15:57.16 | ibot | pong Nidhoggr |
| 15:57.18 | cristi | :) |
| 15:57.26 | cristi | lol |
| 15:57.30 | cristi | ping pong |
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| 15:57.45 | cristi | hi blast |
| 15:57.46 | cristi | :) |
| 15:57.58 | blast007 | hello :) |
| 15:59.22 | cristi | cods, you there? |
| 15:59.29 | cods | not sure.. |
| 16:00.34 | cristi | cods, where Thumper put bzland .py files? |
| 16:00.49 | cods | ask him |
| 16:00.51 | cristi | :-) |
| 16:00.54 | cristi | k |
| 16:03.34 | ToughShooter | cristi: It's not about Nid is logged in or not, it's about whether he's reading. |
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| 16:50.03 | Noodle-sensei | hahahahahahaha |
| 16:50.13 | Noodle-sensei | this particular idiot spammer follows all the rules |
| 16:50.19 | Noodle-sensei | they sent from a real email address and didn't hide the origin of the message |
| 16:50.58 | jpa_ | ~noodle-sensei-- |
| 16:51.14 | jpa_ | for being mean at spammers who just try to get some money :S |
| 16:52.45 | Noodle-sensei | jpa_: i'll sign you up for some spam lists and you'll see that i'm not being mean :-) |
| 16:52.56 | Noodle-sensei | i get about 300 spams a day |
| 16:52.58 | Noodle-sensei | at least |
| 16:53.02 | teatree | uh |
| 16:53.15 | teatree | hola :o) |
| 16:53.18 | Noodle-sensei | hey teatree |
| 16:53.19 | jpa_ | so buy the stuff they advertise, they get money and do not need to spam anymore |
| 16:53.40 | Noodle-sensei | the thing is that spam costs next to nothing to send out |
| 16:53.51 | Noodle-sensei | so they just send out 5 million messages at a pop |
| 16:54.04 | jpa_ | it takes bandwidth |
| 16:54.17 | Noodle-sensei | they don't use any way of targetting the messages, so i get emails about breast enhancement pills |
| 16:54.53 | jpa_ | 5 Gbytes traffic for five million messages |
| 16:55.08 | cods | Does anyone know where I can find some algorithm about boolean operations on meshes ? (merge/substract/intersect) I've already a good idea how to do that, but in a very inefficient way. |
| 16:55.34 | jpa_ | so it is 0.0001 cents per message :) |
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| 16:56.28 | cods | (I even searched citeseer, google,.. without success) |
| 16:56.29 | Noodle-sensei | the thing is, if they are selling a product that costs $10, and they only get a response from 20 people, they've just made $200, and it only costs them a measly pittance to send out 5 million messages |
| 16:57.36 | Noodle-sensei | on my cable connection at home, it would only take me about 90 minutes to send out 5 million email messages |
| 16:57.59 | jpa_ | Noodle-sensei: so start spamming, get money and do not complain ,) |
| 16:58.13 | Noodle-sensei | i would, but then i'd be worse than scum |
| 17:00.29 | cods | weird indentation |
| 17:12.53 | TimRiker | why do we now have a isDead() as well as an isAlive() ? |
| 17:14.17 | JeffM2501 | do they return exactly the oposet? |
| 17:15.58 | TimRiker | no. state can be 4 things. dead and alive are 2 of them. so limbo != dead |
| 17:16.49 | JeffM2501 | so then that's why we have 2 :) |
| 17:16.55 | TimRiker | however I doubt Tupone really meant to check for dead. I expect he meant to check for !alive |
| 17:17.05 | JeffM2501 | posibly |
| 17:18.12 | TimRiker | CacheManager.cxx: In method `bool CacheManager::saveIndex ()': |
| 17:18.15 | TimRiker | CacheManager.cxx:222: warning: unsigned int format, long unsigned int |
| 17:18.15 | TimRiker | arg (arg 5) |
| 17:18.15 | TimRiker | CacheManager.cxx:222: warning: unsigned int format, long unsigned int |
| 17:18.15 | TimRiker | arg (arg 6) |
| 17:20.23 | Grumbler | man, they are going to cancel hockey. shoot. |
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| 17:22.04 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/game/CacheManager.cxx: ws, warnings |
| 17:22.54 | JeffM2501 | yay it didn't |
| 17:22.55 | JeffM2501 | it's safe |
| 17:23.54 | JeffM2501 | well animMesh turned out to be a nasty leaky thing |
| 17:24.05 | Nidhoggr | JeffM2501: can I create a PeEpZ forum on bzbb for secretplace admin team? |
| 17:24.11 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 17:24.14 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:24.16 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 17:24.17 | JeffM2501 | just make it private hidden |
| 17:24.21 | Nidhoggr | will do. |
| 17:24.25 | JeffM2501 | and asign it acessable by your group |
| 17:24.37 | JeffM2501 | put it at the end of server section |
| 17:24.41 | JeffM2501 | after the camelot one |
| 17:24.52 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/platform/XDisplay.cxx: warning |
| 17:25.05 | amathis101 | Nidhoggr: hi |
| 17:25.09 | Noodle-sensei | oink oink |
| 17:25.14 | Nidhoggr | ok |
| 17:25.15 | JeffM2501 | ahh the GM model replacement used it, never was implemented |
| 17:25.16 | Nidhoggr | hi amathis101 |
| 17:25.18 | Grumbler | ooka ooka |
| 17:25.29 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, do you remember why the GM model replacement patch wasn't ever applied? |
| 17:25.35 | amathis101 | Nidhoggr: at Memphis Catholic >_< |
| 17:25.43 | amathis101 | wish I wsa at home working on php2press.. |
| 17:26.40 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 17:30.48 | SportChick | done yet, Nid? |
| 17:33.48 | Nidhoggr | work is super busy. trying to work on it. |
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| 17:34.41 | Noodle-sensei | i wish i was at home instead of sitting here waiting for this damn phone to ring :-P |
| 17:35.02 | JeffM2501 | you should be playing everquest |
| 17:35.23 | Noodle-sensei | why should i waste my life playing games? |
| 17:35.26 | Noodle-sensei | games SUCK |
| 17:35.30 | Noodle-sensei | especially bzflag |
| 17:35.34 | Noodle-sensei | it sucks noodles |
| 17:35.36 | JeffM2501 | why be bored at work? |
| 17:35.45 | JeffM2501 | it's not a waste if your geting paid for it :) |
| 17:35.52 | Noodle-sensei | JeffM2501: good point... |
| 17:36.34 | JeffM2501 | tho your system may not be beefy enough for eq |
| 17:36.36 | Noodle-sensei | and the boss isn't in today... |
| 17:36.43 | JeffM2501 | I forget the types of machines people run around here :) |
| 17:36.50 | Nidhoggr | should be good. |
| 17:37.03 | Noodle-sensei | this machine is pretty suckly |
| 17:37.29 | JeffM2501 | does it use the terms "ultra" or "gigs" in more then one point of it's description? |
| 17:38.24 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: re GM. nope. we were pondering more generall approaches at the time. don't recall the outcome. |
| 17:38.53 | JeffM2501 | so there would be no adversion to a general OBJ file loader to be used for non map based meshes? |
| 17:39.06 | JeffM2501 | aka things that arn't put face by face into the octree |
| 17:39.40 | JeffM2501 | hmm tho that means I'd have to put parser in too |
| 17:39.48 | JeffM2501 | and that means something very much XML like |
| 17:39.56 | JeffM2501 | and that would mean purple_cow would laugh at me. |
| 17:40.14 | TimRiker | well, tanks and stuff should be converted to something. you think OBJ is best? or should we use the same mesh formats as maps? |
| 17:40.39 | JeffM2501 | the mesh format for maps is basicly OBJ in conent, just nothing makes them. |
| 17:40.55 | JeffM2501 | OBJ will hold most of what BZ can do ( all but emisive ). |
| 17:41.12 | JeffM2501 | and the reader class can be extended to read more formats |
| 17:41.12 | Nidhoggr | SportChick: forum created, moderators set. :) |
| 17:41.15 | JeffM2501 | it's all abstracted. |
| 17:41.41 | JeffM2501 | OBJ is nice cus it's text so it's human readable, and suported by a large number of apps / converters |
| 17:41.46 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: is there something special I have to do to find it? |
| 17:41.58 | TimRiker | I'm not a fan of multiple formats in bzflag. I'd much rather have multiple conversion tools and a single internal format. |
| 17:42.00 | Nidhoggr | you should see it cuz you're a member of peepzops |
| 17:42.08 | Nidhoggr | it's on the bottom of the server section. |
| 17:42.13 | JeffM2501 | model tool supports multiple coversions too |
| 17:42.14 | Nidhoggr | unless I screwed it up. |
| 17:42.20 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, unless you want animated models too? |
| 17:42.24 | JeffM2501 | is that a goal? |
| 17:42.31 | JeffM2501 | I mean organic animations |
| 17:42.35 | JeffM2501 | not like the tank treads |
| 17:42.41 | JeffM2501 | I mean like spider tanks that walk and stuff |
| 17:42.44 | SportChick | ah, I see it |
| 17:42.55 | JeffM2501 | or dudes running around? |
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| 17:43.49 | JeffM2501 | I don't know your desired direction |
| 17:44.28 | JeffM2501 | you could use a vertex animated mesh for a flag |
| 17:44.32 | JeffM2501 | it would look REALY good |
| 17:44.40 | JeffM2501 | not the billboard crap there is now |
| 17:46.11 | trepan_away | JeffM2501: OBJ supports texture matrix? control over alternate color? disabling of alpha? ... |
| 17:46.15 | Pimpi | wb darthygirl |
| 17:46.29 | JeffM2501 | no it dosn't support the material stuff, just the model stuff |
| 17:46.31 | trepan_away | double siding, alpha thresh? |
| 17:46.37 | JeffM2501 | no format supports that stuff |
| 17:46.50 | JeffM2501 | well don't know about blender |
| 17:46.57 | JeffM2501 | then hook it up |
| 17:47.03 | trepan | it already is |
| 17:47.10 | JeffM2501 | then why didn't you say so? |
| 17:47.12 | jpa_ | bzw :) |
| 17:47.32 | JeffM2501 | bzw support vertex animation? |
| 17:47.34 | jpa_ | Grumbler: many meshes, dynamic color sequence |
| 17:47.36 | trepan | nope |
| 17:47.38 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: oh, no :) |
| 17:47.45 | JeffM2501 | jpa_, are you insane? |
| 17:47.54 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: oh, yes :) |
| 17:48.00 | JeffM2501 | bzw support skelital? |
| 17:48.29 | trepan | "the mesh format for maps is basicly OBJ in conent", inaccurate is all i'm saying |
| 17:48.31 | jpa_ | ~dict skelital |
| 17:48.43 | JeffM2501 | the mesh format is, your materials are not |
| 17:48.53 | trepan | is a combo deal there |
| 17:49.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah they go together |
| 17:49.04 | trepan | all mesh formats will be basically comprised of the same info |
| 17:49.16 | trepan | so a more general statement would have been more appropriate |
| 17:49.20 | JeffM2501 | sounds like you've made the descision then |
| 17:49.24 | JeffM2501 | so I'll leave it to that |
| 17:49.32 | JeffM2501 | and use another test app. |
| 17:49.57 | trepan | heh, i'm all for adding in the animated meshes, that wasn't my point |
| 17:50.08 | JeffM2501 | I know what your point was :) |
| 17:50.16 | trepan | cool |
| 17:50.16 | JeffM2501 | Tim dosn't like multiple formats tho |
| 17:50.20 | JeffM2501 | so it's been decided. |
| 17:50.31 | JeffM2501 | probably should just make blender the default format |
| 17:50.37 | JeffM2501 | for all things |
| 17:50.46 | JeffM2501 | maybe even just convert bzflag to blendgame |
| 17:50.50 | trepan | it isn't enough |
| 17:51.03 | Noodle-sensei | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/01/microsoft_antispyware.html |
| 17:51.25 | JeffM2501 | well it seems current bzw offerings are "too complex" so maybe the subset that blender does is realy enough :) |
| 17:51.42 | trepan | works for me then, strip it |
| 17:51.53 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:51.56 | JeffM2501 | but that would be work |
| 17:52.03 | JeffM2501 | and I have enough of that allready :) |
| 17:52.33 | JeffM2501 | is there a general BZW reading class? |
| 17:52.37 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/include/PlayerInfo.h: isDead() != !isAlive(), constify, ws |
| 17:52.41 | JeffM2501 | that reads meshes? |
| 17:52.49 | Nidhoggr | brilliant me just poked myself in the eye with my own finger. |
| 17:53.34 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/ (bzfs/bzfs.cxx game/PlayerInfo.cxx): isDead() != !isAlive(), constify, ws |
| 17:54.35 | crko | hm can i use in dynamicColor more than one color to flash? |
| 17:55.43 | cods | what you mean ? |
| 17:56.10 | Nidhoggr | it's just tearing now. |
| 17:56.13 | Nidhoggr | not too bad. |
| 17:56.27 | crko | cods, i mean like if i flash |
| 17:56.33 | crko | every 5 secs the color changes |
| 17:56.39 | crko | i should use sinusoid? |
| 17:56.45 | cods | yes |
| 17:56.48 | crko | and can i use more than one? |
| 17:57.04 | jpa_ | yes, for different channels |
| 17:57.06 | crko | so that it will go one after another |
| 17:57.08 | cods | dynamiccolor; name dc1; red sinusoid 1 1 0; end |
| 17:57.11 | crko | like first green |
| 17:57.11 | cods | then dyncol dc1 |
| 17:57.13 | crko | then red |
| 17:57.14 | crko | then blue |
| 17:57.16 | cods | (from memory) |
| 17:57.20 | crko | in 5 second delays |
| 17:57.20 | crko | :P |
| 17:57.21 | cods | ah |
| 17:57.26 | cods | it's more complicated |
| 17:57.32 | cods | between 2 colors it's rather easy |
| 17:57.37 | crko | yes |
| 17:57.38 | crko | i know |
| 17:57.47 | cods | for more than 2 colors, use FFT :) |
| 17:57.52 | crko | fft? |
| 17:57.56 | cods | oops |
| 17:58.08 | cods | not 'FFT', but Fourier Transformation. |
| 17:58.26 | crko | what is that? |
| 17:58.32 | cods | a way to create a periodic signal from a sum of sinusoid. |
| 17:58.44 | cods | the signal (the "function") can be anything |
| 17:59.13 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 17:59.14 | cods | look on web for reference about that. It's just something not straightforward to make by hand :) |
| 17:59.14 | crko | hm |
| 17:59.18 | jpa_ | isn't the stuff multiplied |
| 17:59.31 | cods | no |
| 17:59.32 | crko | hm |
| 17:59.35 | crko | it's just for linux? |
| 17:59.52 | cods | Fourrier transformation are just math.. |
| 17:59.59 | jpa_ | cods: so what is done if i have many sinusoid for same channel? |
| 18:00.04 | crko | oh |
| 18:00.23 | cods | jpa_: they're summed as I said. |
| 18:00.30 | crko | hm i'm not familiar with that... |
| 18:00.34 | cods | hmm |
| 18:00.41 | cods | summed -> to sum.. Don't know the right word here. |
| 18:00.42 | jpa_ | cods: did you say so? |
| 18:00.47 | cods | = 18:58:33 cods : a way to create a periodic signal from a sum of sinusoid. |
| 18:00.55 | jpa_ | yes, for that |
| 18:01.03 | cods | implied by: |
| 18:01.04 | cods | = 18:57:48 cods : for more than 2 colors, use FFT :) |
| 18:01.04 | jpa_ | but.. |
| 18:01.16 | jpa_ | if i have 1 and 1.. wouldn't it be out of range? |
| 18:01.18 | cods | (but 'FFT' is wrong term here of course.) |
| 18:01.28 | cods | no, there are "clamped" |
| 18:01.29 | Pimpi | jpa_: no |
| 18:01.32 | cods | (min/max values) |
| 18:01.36 | jpa_ | oh, ok |
| 18:01.38 | cods | s/there/their/ |
| 18:01.40 | Pimpi | jou add channels |
| 18:01.49 | Pimpi | rgb values |
| 18:02.12 | cods | jpa mean for each component, not combination of R, G and B. |
| 18:02.29 | jpa_ | cods: "jpa mean" :E |
| 18:02.42 | cods | I'm wrong ? |
| 18:02.49 | jpa_ | i like that.. should i /nick jpa-mean :E |
| 18:03.04 | jpa_ | cods: no, you are right (for both meanings :P |
| 18:03.20 | cods | problem is that I don't see what would mean "jpa mean" otherwise.. |
| 18:03.33 | jpa_ | ~dict mean |
| 18:03.49 | jpa_ | hmp |
| 18:03.59 | jpa_ | mean = almost the same as evil |
| 18:04.10 | cods | oh.. |
| 18:04.17 | jpa_ | if i would take all your computers away, it would be mean :) |
| 18:06.15 | Pimpi | wouldnt it be easier to relalize it wihh sequences? |
| 18:06.30 | cods | sequence are just.. well.. sequence of clamp |
| 18:06.41 | cods | you can't choose min/max for each step of the sequence |
| 18:06.42 | Pimpi | exactly |
| 18:06.56 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 18:07.29 | jpa_ | maybe a sinusoid for each channel, the flash lenght. and the sequence like -10 0 0 |
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| 18:15.29 | ToughShooter | ~karma ToughShooter |
| 18:15.29 | ibot | toughshooter has neutral karma |
| 18:15.59 | crko | how would i make a laser go into the air |
| 18:16.08 | crko | and stay always fired |
| 18:16.26 | cods | use pyramid for example |
| 18:16.38 | cods | (I remember that this question was already asked here some days ago) |
| 18:16.43 | crko | hm |
| 18:16.49 | crko | what about the thing |
| 18:16.54 | crko | to stay always fired? |
| 18:17.17 | crko | like that it doesn't stop to fire... to be constantly on :P |
| 18:17.22 | cods | you can change settings (see /set). I don't remember variable name about that. |
| 18:17.31 | cods | but it's possible anyway.. |
| 18:17.35 | crko | ok |
| 18:17.36 | crko | thanks |
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| 18:36.40 | sgk | UGH...... |
| 18:36.42 | sgk | HELLO |
| 18:36.47 | sgk | ahh i'm speaking in caps |
| 18:37.09 | sgk | how is everyone? |
| 18:37.55 | sgk | i just heard the two mopst stupid things i've ever heard in my entire life.... (thus the inital "ugh" upon entry) |
| 18:38.19 | sgk | anyone care to hear what they were? |
| 18:38.30 | cods | why not.. :) |
| 18:38.34 | DTRemenak | always good for a laugh |
| 18:39.42 | SportChick | suspiciously even |
| 18:40.27 | sgk | 1) You cannot turn a circle into a square because Pi is infinite... then he went on to "prove" his assertation... i then drew a square with each side equalling 2^.5 and said there is a square... the circle with an equivalent circumference as the square's perimeter would have a radius of (2*2^.5)/pi |
| 18:40.49 | sgk | i drew it out on paper for him and he just looked at me like i was a monkey |
| 18:41.03 | sgk | then he said he disagreed... |
| 18:41.09 | sgk | pi isnt infinite... its irrational |
| 18:41.18 | sgk | as is 2**.5 |
| 18:41.26 | sgk | anyway.... number 2) |
| 18:41.41 | cods | what mean "turning a circle into a square" ?! |
| 18:41.57 | Grumbler | pi = irrational, hmmm |
| 18:42.06 | sgk | a circle and square can never have the same perimeter/circumference |
| 18:42.31 | sgk | Same person then proceeds to say that if someone could predict the the patterns on prime numbers then all encryption would be broken including symmetric algorithms... |
| 18:42.33 | sgk | brb |
| 18:43.15 | sgk | back |
| 18:43.52 | sgk | anyway... does everybody see what is obviously wrong with those two statements? i fear for the future of america... |
| 18:44.26 | cods | fortunately I'm living in France, I don't really care =) |
| 18:44.27 | sgk | well i guess itd only be obvious if you were into math and/or computers... this kdi was a senior CS major which is why this bothered me so much... |
| 18:44.37 | sgk | s/kdi/kid |
| 18:45.53 | sgk | cods, your in france? |
| 18:46.04 | cods | yes |
| 18:46.42 | JeffM2501 | ohh kids here are supid now it seesm |
| 18:47.08 | sgk | heh :) |
| 18:47.37 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:47.46 | JeffM2501 | a lot of kids that arent DTRemenak are stupid :) |
| 18:47.57 | DTRemenak | lots of kids have always been stupid. |
| 18:48.03 | JeffM2501 | well yes this is true |
| 18:48.09 | JeffM2501 | but I'm all old now |
| 18:48.12 | JeffM2501 | so I can see it :) |
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| 18:48.28 | bryjen | and lots of kids have never been DTRemenak ;) |
| 18:48.28 | JeffM2501 | and they have an internet based outlet for said stupidity now |
| 18:48.29 | cods | I hope old is over 30.. :) |
| 18:48.35 | JeffM2501 | it used to be they were stuck in basements :) |
| 18:48.41 | DTRemenak | just because 50% of them go to college now instead of 10% doesn't change anything, it just means that 4/5 of kids in college are stupid :) |
| 18:48.58 | JeffM2501 | I fear for most college systems |
| 18:49.05 | JeffM2501 | I saw what they do at the one I went to |
| 18:49.06 | sgk | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 18:49.19 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to learn a programing language now to get a degree in CS |
| 18:49.33 | jpa_ | hello tankitty :) |
| 18:49.37 | tankitty | hi jp |
| 18:49.39 | sgk | that first statement really bothered me... i mean this kid will be working for a software company ina few months developing real software... |
| 18:49.40 | JeffM2501 | you can just write papers on it instead of a functional program |
| 18:49.41 | tankitty | a_ |
| 18:49.51 | sgk | JeffM2501, he |
| 18:49.53 | sgk | heh* |
| 18:50.12 | JeffM2501 | sgk, then he'll be weeded out when he takes too long |
| 18:50.19 | JeffM2501 | and DTRemenak will get his job |
| 18:50.22 | Birdie | hi tankitty |
| 18:50.23 | sgk | lol |
| 18:50.27 | tankitty | nhi bir |
| 18:50.28 | tankitty | d |
| 18:50.35 | DTRemenak | here we use a different language for every course. cs1 = scheme, cs2 = java, cs3 = modula-3, etc |
| 18:50.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's what I was used to |
| 18:51.03 | JeffM2501 | most of my classes let you use one of a set of languages |
| 18:51.10 | JeffM2501 | some required dif langs |
| 18:51.11 | sgk | DTRemenak, no C or C++? |
| 18:51.19 | JeffM2501 | but here they don't even do languages |
| 18:51.25 | DTRemenak | and all the courses are based on concepts not languages |
| 18:51.27 | JeffM2501 | it's all "concepts" |
| 18:51.30 | DTRemenak | languages are just a means to an end |
| 18:51.46 | jpa_ | tankitty: i saw you today :) |
| 18:51.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah I can understand that, but part of the schooling has to be about puting concept into functional practice |
| 18:51.52 | DTRemenak | sgk, a lot of them use C or C++, just mostly upper-division |
| 18:51.55 | jpa_ | but you left before i had typed "hi" |
| 18:52.01 | tankitty | you did, did you like my hair? |
| 18:52.05 | tankitty | ohh |
| 18:52.12 | DTRemenak | CS51/52/53 use assembly |
| 18:52.28 | tankitty | you typed hi *after* i left |
| 18:52.54 | jpa_ | yup |
| 18:54.20 | Grumbler | assembly is the only pure language..... |
| 18:54.27 | Grumbler | :) |
| 18:54.47 | cods | bah, too easy with mnemonics |
| 18:55.55 | orange | microcode |
| 18:56.13 | orange | assembly is way too high level |
| 18:57.39 | sgk | i code by ripping off the cover of my harddrive, grabbing a magnetized needle and poking the disk |
| 18:57.53 | sgk | its the only way to be precise |
| 18:58.25 | Grumbler | sgk, ah you monkey code |
| 18:58.30 | sgk | heh |
| 19:01.07 | Grumbler | hockey season is cancelled....arg |
| 19:01.38 | Birdie | ice hockey? |
| 19:01.56 | Grumbler | yep |
| 19:02.12 | Birdie | hm wasnt it cancelled last year to? |
| 19:02.45 | Grumbler | no its been on hold from sept till now. |
| 19:02.58 | Grumbler | now its offically cancelled.....ie the nhl..... |
| 19:03.03 | Birdie | whats the problem acutally? propably money? |
| 19:03.10 | Grumbler | yep, money |
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| 19:05.23 | *** join/#bzflag retro (~ken@gateway-1237.mvista.com) |
| 19:08.46 | SportChick | rrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeetttttttttttttttttoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 19:08.56 | jpa_ | typo! |
| 19:08.58 | SportChick | hehe |
| 19:09.02 | Noodle-sensei | oinko? |
| 19:10.21 | brlcad | and retro was his name-o .. r e t r o .. r e t r o .. r e t r o .. and retro was his name-o |
| 19:10.39 | retro | Birdie is corret. |
| 19:10.42 | SportChick | brlcad: hehe |
| 19:12.32 | retro | Hey SC, I haven't seen you on secretplace much recently. I wanna shoot you again. |
| 19:12.55 | retro | BTW, ts imitated you last night. It was kinda funny. |
| 19:13.23 | SportChick | retro: I have been busy |
| 19:13.33 | retro | yeah, me too. |
| 19:13.42 | Grumbler | ~dict corret |
| 19:13.51 | Grumbler | ~spell corret |
| 19:13.52 | ibot | possible spellings for corret: Correy corr et corr-et correct Corot caret cored cruet Coretta Corette Corbet cornet corset Crete Garret Jarret carrot curred garret corer corrode Corey Corrie Corry CRT Croat crate Cort Creed core corr creed greet corers covert Cordey Currey corder coronet corrupt current Corbett Coreen Correna Courbet curate create Corie Corri ... |
| 19:14.02 | sgk | ~spell SportChick |
| 19:14.03 | ibot | possible spellings for SportChick: Sport Chick Sport-Chick Schick Psychic Spock Upchuck Sportive Paycheck Apparatchik Portico Splotchier Splotching Speeching Sporadic Sportier Speck Spook Sporting Psychics Septic Splotch Poetic Special Spic Chick Porch Scorching Scotching Speech Prick Sport Stick |
| 19:14.19 | retro | oh my, speech prick. That is inventive... |
| 19:14.20 | Grumbler | ~dict corr-et |
| 19:14.49 | retro | Grumbler, what are you trying to figure out? |
| 19:14.59 | Grumbler | Birdie is corret |
| 19:15.52 | SportChick | ~dict SportChick |
| 19:15.59 | Grumbler | although i can assume you meant correct, there was an outside chance that "corret" could indicate something else |
| 19:16.04 | jpa_ | ~sportchick |
| 19:16.05 | ibot | a fast-typing, mistake making, fun-loving, koolaid-drinking chick |
| 19:16.14 | SportChick | hehe |
| 19:16.19 | jpa_ | voila, definition for SportChick |
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| 19:16.28 | SportChick | accurate too |
| 19:16.31 | retro | ~retro |
| 19:16.44 | retro | hrm, how do I set up a description for myself. |
| 19:16.58 | jpa_ | ibot retro is not defined |
| 19:16.59 | ibot | jpa_: okay |
| 19:17.27 | Grumbler | there might be a problem there....ibot doesnt do swears |
| 19:17.43 | jpa_ | swears? |
| 19:17.57 | SportChick | ibot retro is a mean nasty guy with a fro who wears clothes from the 70s and plays bzflag (but not well) |
| 19:17.58 | ibot | ...but retro is already something else... |
| 19:18.27 | retro | hahaha. |
| 19:18.29 | retro | not. |
| 19:18.38 | jpa_ | ibot forget about retro |
| 19:18.38 | ibot | i didn't have anything called 'about retro' to forget, jpa_ |
| 19:18.44 | jpa_ | ibot forget retro |
| 19:18.44 | ibot | i forgot retro, jpa_ |
| 19:18.50 | SportChick | ibot retro is a mean nasty guy with a fro who wears clothes from the 70s and plays bzflag (but not well) |
| 19:18.51 | ibot | okay, SportChick |
| 19:18.56 | SportChick | ~retro |
| 19:18.57 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, retro is a mean nasty guy with a fro who wears clothes from the 70s and plays bzflag (but not well) |
| 19:19.03 | retro | don't make me open up a can of whoopass on you sc. |
| 19:19.10 | SportChick | rofl |
| 19:19.19 | retro | ibot forget retro |
| 19:19.19 | ibot | retro: i forgot retro |
| 19:19.28 | retro | ibot rules |
| 19:19.29 | ibot | rules are a requirement for having exceptions |
| 19:19.30 | SportChick | rofl |
| 19:19.32 | SportChick | ~retro |
| 19:19.34 | SportChick | ibot retro is a mean nasty guy with a fro who wears clothes from the 70s and plays bzflag (but not well) |
| 19:19.35 | ibot | SportChick: okay |
| 19:20.02 | retro | retro is SportChicks worst nightmare in the bzflag arena. |
| 19:20.09 | SportChick | ibot forget retro |
| 19:20.09 | ibot | SportChick: i forgot retro |
| 19:20.16 | retro | ~retro |
| 19:20.22 | jpa_ | ibot unforget retro |
| 19:20.22 | ibot | jpa_: Successfully recovered 'retro'. Have fun now. |
| 19:20.29 | jpa_ | ibot lock retro |
| 19:20.36 | retro | ~retro |
| 19:20.37 | ibot | hmm... retro is not defined |
| 19:20.55 | jpa_ | while lock did not work :S |
| 19:21.05 | SportChick | ~retro |
| 19:21.06 | ibot | [retro] not defined |
| 19:21.09 | SportChick | hrm |
| 19:21.25 | retro | retro is SportChick's worst nightmare in the bzflag arena. |
| 19:21.35 | retro | maybe that one took... |
| 19:21.38 | SportChick | it's not true unless IBOT says it, retro |
| 19:21.44 | retro | ~retro |
| 19:21.45 | ibot | well, retro is not defined |
| 19:21.50 | jpa_ | :E |
| 19:21.56 | retro | ibot unlock retro |
| 19:22.24 | retro | retro is SportChick's worst nightmare in the bzflag arena. |
| 19:23.09 | retro | ~retro |
| 19:23.10 | ibot | from memory, retro is not defined |
| 19:23.16 | retro | hrm |
| 19:23.32 | retro | I'll work on this later. I've got kernel's to fix... |
| 19:24.45 | sgk | retro, do you hack at the kernel? |
| 19:25.07 | retro | sorta. I do a little hacking on it for my job. |
| 19:25.09 | SportChick | is guu still on striek? |
| 19:25.17 | SportChick | !weather 94702 |
| 19:25.36 | sgk | drivers and stuff or like core components? |
| 19:25.47 | SportChick | ~weather KOAK |
| 19:26.03 | jpa_ | sgk: maybe he just runs make menuconfig.. it is hacking compared to genkernel anyways :) |
| 19:26.13 | sgk | hehe |
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| 19:30.32 | cristi | ee |
| 19:31.21 | cristi | anyone know why my objects are oblique ? |
| 19:31.25 | cristi | with python scripts |
| 19:31.35 | jpa_ | by default? |
| 19:31.37 | jpa_ | yes, they are |
| 19:31.49 | cristi | why they are oblique ? |
| 19:31.55 | jpa_ | you have to tell them not to be if you do not want them not to be? |
| 19:32.07 | cristi | no |
| 19:32.13 | cristi | how to tell them ? |
| 19:32.20 | jpa_ | read the Source |
| 19:32.26 | cristi | whereeeeeeeeeeeeee? |
| 19:32.35 | jpa_ | i will make some docus as soon as bzmap 2.0 is out |
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| 19:32.48 | jpa_ | bzmap sources? in the folder you put them into |
| 19:32.50 | jpa_ | hi Legoguy |
| 19:32.58 | cristi | hmmm |
| 19:33.07 | cristi | i do not understand python :( |
| 19:33.18 | jpa_ | can you program? |
| 19:33.22 | cristi | no |
| 19:33.29 | cristi | just to make maps :| |
| 19:33.55 | cristi | jpa_, are you playing armagetron ? |
| 19:34.19 | jpa_ | umm, why? |
| 19:34.29 | cristi | i am playing it :DDD |
| 19:34.32 | cristi | you ? |
| 19:35.23 | Legoguy | jpa_: hey |
| 19:36.12 | cristi | ~seen Thumper_ |
| 19:36.14 | ibot | thumper_ is currently on #bzflag (1d 6h 34m 55s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 4h 38m 7s |
| 19:36.14 | jpa_ | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 19:36.22 | jpa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.34 | cristi | who ? |
| 19:36.35 | cristi | me ? |
| 19:36.36 | cristi | :) |
| 19:37.07 | cristi | jpa_: meee????? |
| 19:37.08 | cristi | ??? |
| 19:37.09 | cristi | ?? |
| 19:37.11 | cristi | ? |
| 19:37.14 | blast007 | ... |
| 19:37.41 | cristi | blast, i think he ignored me :| |
| 19:37.44 | blast007 | if he _did_ /ignore you, he won't see your question ;) |
| 19:37.59 | cristi | yea |
| 19:38.04 | Birdie | cristi, dont do that with those '?', not the first time this happens |
| 19:38.36 | cristi | hmm |
| 19:38.41 | cristi | but you can help me ? |
| 19:38.53 | cristi | python scripts ? |
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| 19:40.06 | sgk | ~say ibot |
| 19:40.11 | ibot | ibot |
| 19:40.30 | sgk | cristi, i just gave you a huge hint if he did ignore you |
| 19:40.35 | cristi | ~say <cristi> jpa_: you ignored me ? |
| 19:40.37 | ibot | <cristi> jpa_: you ignored me |
| 19:40.49 | cristi | ok sgk |
| 19:40.50 | sgk | heh |
| 19:41.13 | jpa_ | :) |
| 19:41.30 | cristi | ~say <cristi> you want to unignore me? |
| 19:41.32 | ibot | <cristi> you want to unignore me |
| 19:41.32 | jpa_ | cristi: yes, i did |
| 19:41.41 | cristi | ~say ? |
| 19:41.43 | jpa_ | no, i do not |
| 19:41.53 | jpa_ | i'll ignore any line with cristi soon.. |
| 19:41.56 | sgk | cristi, dont abuse ibot |
| 19:42.01 | sgk | he might bite back ;) |
| 19:42.49 | sgk | cristi, what do you need jpa for? perhaps i can helo |
| 19:42.51 | sgk | help* |
| 19:43.21 | cristi | sgk, you are using python scripts to generate map ? |
| 19:43.36 | jpa_ | sgk: he needs me and thumper to teach him python |
| 19:43.55 | jpa_ | because he is too lame to read the source (bzmap is undocumented byfar) |
| 19:44.09 | sgk | oh okay... simple solution |
| 19:44.13 | sgk | http://diveintopython.org/ |
| 19:44.18 | sgk | read it and you'll be fine ;) |
| 19:44.30 | cristi | ~say <cristi> jpa_: I see your messages ;) |
| 19:44.32 | ibot | <cristi> jpa_: I see your messages ;) |
| 19:44.32 | sgk | but if your jsut generating maps, you can use any language |
| 19:44.49 | cristi | ok sgk |
| 19:44.58 | sgk | cristi, do you know how to program at all? |
| 19:45.07 | cristi | nope :( |
| 19:45.14 | cristi | a little bit C and C++ |
| 19:45.32 | sgk | well a little bit is probably enough for some text manipulation |
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| 19:45.40 | sgk | thats all map generation is |
| 19:45.44 | sgk | so have a blast |
| 19:45.46 | sgk | :) |
| 19:46.13 | jpa_ | sgk: no he can not use any language.. i do not think he can code program to generate them :) |
| 19:46.13 | cristi | sgk, I cannot :( |
| 19:46.18 | jpa_ | bzmap is quite easy |
| 19:46.29 | retro | jpa_ and sgk, I just read your comments. You're funny. |
| 19:46.32 | cristi | ~say <cristi> I know, jpa |
| 19:46.34 | ibot | <cristi> I know, jpa |
| 19:46.37 | retro | I've hacked on both drivers and core kernel stuff. |
| 19:47.04 | retro | I work for MontaVista Software. We do embedded Linux. |
| 19:47.17 | sgk | ahh okay |
| 19:47.20 | bryjen | !lart sgk |
| 19:47.28 | sgk | ~retro++ |
| 19:47.35 | sgk | bryjen, uhoh what'd i break? |
| 19:47.49 | cristi | ~bryjen-- |
| 19:47.53 | bryjen | showing cristi ~say |
| 19:48.06 | cristi | ~bryjen-- |
| 19:48.11 | cristi | :) |
| 19:48.18 | cristi | ~karma bryjen |
| 19:48.18 | ibot | bryjen has karma of 34 |
| 19:48.19 | sgk | i thought him and jpa were joking around... it wasn't until after i showed him that, that i realized jpa was serious |
| 19:48.25 | sgk | :) |
| 19:48.32 | trepan_away | ~bryjen++ |
| 19:48.38 | sgk | ~bryjen++ |
| 19:48.44 | cristi | lol |
| 19:49.26 | Grumbler | ~bryjen-- |
| 19:49.27 | cristi | :)) |
| 19:49.38 | cristi | ~bryjen-- |
| 19:49.46 | cristi | ~bryjen-- |
| 19:49.54 | cristi | ~karma bryjen |
| 19:49.54 | ibot | bryjen has karma of 33 |
| 19:49.59 | cristi | hahaha |
| 19:49.59 | sgk | ~bryjen++ |
| 19:50.04 | |zongo| | ... |
| 19:50.08 | cristi | lol |
| 19:50.13 | sgk | crisit, be nice |
| 19:50.19 | sgk | bryjen didnt do anything |
| 19:50.24 | cristi | k |
| 19:50.25 | sgk | ~bryjen++ |
| 19:50.28 | sgk | :) |
| 19:50.33 | cristi | ~bryjen++ |
| 19:50.36 | Grumbler | trying to keep bryjen 's ego in check |
| 19:50.52 | trepan_away | Grumbler: hockey on the brain? |
| 19:51.06 | Nidhoggr | hockey schmocky |
| 19:51.11 | Grumbler | yep, have to watch college hockey now |
| 19:51.15 | Nidhoggr | no hockey for you this year. |
| 19:51.24 | sgk | does anybody really watch hockey? |
| 19:51.33 | sgk | its like football... noone really watches it |
| 19:51.34 | Nidhoggr | I like going to games |
| 19:51.40 | Nidhoggr | but I am not fond of watching on TV |
| 19:51.50 | Nidhoggr | It's my chance to scream "step on his neck!" |
| 19:51.59 | sgk | hockey is actually pretty fun live |
| 19:52.04 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 19:52.13 | sgk | as is lacrosse, if you've ever had the pleasure |
| 19:52.33 | Nidhoggr | there is a lacrosse team in the phoenix area. |
| 19:52.36 | Nidhoggr | really cool stuff. |
| 19:52.42 | sgk | i played lacrosse for a bunch of years, now college has taken over my life... |
| 19:52.47 | Nidhoggr | I used to live in Lacrosse, WI. :) |
| 19:52.53 | sgk | speaking of which... i'm late for a test |
| 19:52.58 | Nidhoggr | ut oh |
| 19:52.58 | cristi | anyone can help me with python scripts ? |
| 19:53.45 | Nidhoggr | Grumbler: I'm just annoyed that they can't get their crap together and actually do something for the sake of the sport, not for the sake of the mighty dollar. |
| 19:54.11 | Nidhoggr | so when it does come back, unless there is some sort of major change, I'm not going to games anymore. |
| 19:54.19 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, that's why it's PROFESIONAL sports |
| 19:54.23 | JeffM2501 | it's about the $$$ |
| 19:54.35 | Birdie | is there some webiste with all possible things you can ask guu and answers?(same for ibot) |
| 19:54.43 | JeffM2501 | it's entertainment $$ |
| 19:54.44 | Nidhoggr | yeah, but you play because you love the game. something has to give way. |
| 19:54.48 | Grumbler | Birdie< is a supybot |
| 19:54.54 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, guu help |
| 19:54.59 | Grumbler | err, guu is a supybot |
| 19:55.04 | JeffM2501 | each bot has it's own help system |
| 19:55.19 | JeffM2501 | ibot help |
| 19:55.22 | Grumbler | and supybot has #supybot |
| 19:55.27 | cristi | ~ibot help |
| 19:55.36 | cristi | :) |
| 19:55.45 | cristi | ~help |
| 19:55.46 | JeffM2501 | ibot allways returns help in PM |
| 19:55.54 | JeffM2501 | so just ibot help works |
| 19:56.01 | *** part/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@80-218-158-23.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 19:56.29 | cristi | ~help |
| 19:57.15 | ToughShooter | ~ToughShooter |
| 19:57.54 | cristi | ~karma |
| 19:57.54 | ibot | cristi has karma of -6 |
| 19:58.04 | cristi | :) |
| 19:58.06 | cristi | ~karma++ |
| 19:58.07 | ToughShooter | ~karma |
| 19:58.07 | ibot | toughshooter has neutral karma |
| 19:58.23 | cristi | ~karma |
| 19:58.23 | ibot | cristi has karma of -6 |
| 19:58.30 | Nidhoggr | ~karma |
| 19:58.30 | ibot | nidhoggr has karma of 66 |
| 19:58.41 | ToughShooter | cristi: Trying to + your own karma is evil |
| 19:58.51 | cristi | toughshooter, do ~cristi++, ok? |
| 19:59.00 | cristi | what means KARMA? |
| 19:59.10 | JeffM2501 | it's how well people like you |
| 19:59.18 | cristi | ok |
| 19:59.19 | JeffM2501 | or are anoyed by you if it's - |
| 19:59.27 | JeffM2501 | dosn't seem like your well receved |
| 19:59.31 | teatree | hola |
| 19:59.35 | Nidhoggr | hi teatree |
| 19:59.43 | cristi | toughshooter, do ~cristi++, ok? |
| 19:59.52 | ToughShooter | cristi: I won't push your karma |
| 19:59.54 | JeffM2501 | don't force bump your carma |
| 20:00.01 | JeffM2501 | just stop being anoying |
| 20:00.09 | JeffM2501 | and be helpfull |
| 20:00.11 | cristi | ~ToughShooter++ |
| 20:00.14 | cristi | hahaha |
| 20:00.17 | cristi | :) |
| 20:00.33 | JeffM2501 | ibot cristi-- |
| 20:00.45 | teatree | lol? |
| 20:00.55 | tankitty | ~tofu |
| 20:00.56 | Birdie | he/she is so annoying;( |
| 20:01.01 | JeffM2501 | rather |
| 20:01.02 | tankitty | cc |
| 20:01.15 | Nidhoggr | ~brlcad |
| 20:01.16 | ibot | well, brlcad is like a learner wrapped in tofu best served chilled |
| 20:01.22 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 20:01.28 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, anything? |
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| 20:01.59 | orange | hey Nidhoggr, a long time ago you sent me a script to analyze bzfs logfiles |
| 20:02.03 | orange | do you know who wrote it originally? |
| 20:02.20 | Nidhoggr | shkoo. |
| 20:02.28 | Nidhoggr | vicious@vicous.com |
| 20:02.44 | Nidhoggr | it only works with old logs from 1.7 |
| 20:02.47 | brlcad | nope |
| 20:02.49 | orange | I think some bits of his code remain in the altered version I have, and learner was asking if I'd assign the copyright back to the project |
| 20:02.51 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 20:03.03 | orange | I would, but I don't know what parts were his :-/ |
| 20:04.27 | tankitty | ~karma me |
| 20:04.27 | ibot | me has neutral karma |
| 20:04.29 | tankitty | lol |
| 20:04.29 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 20:04.37 | orange | Nidhoggr: I'll email him, thanks |
| 20:04.45 | Nidhoggr | ok |
| 20:05.00 | Nidhoggr | brlcad: you working on logging? :) |
| 20:17.38 | tankitty | . |
| 20:21.09 | Nidhoggr | fear my powers :) |
| 20:21.23 | tankitty | right |
| 20:23.26 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr< uhm, shouldnt the peepz part of the forum be private? |
| 20:23.35 | Nidhoggr | it's set as private. |
| 20:24.25 | Grumbler | hmm, ok, i expect to see some sort of private heading, not just buried in the normal server listings |
| 20:24.38 | Grumbler | err, expected |
| 20:26.23 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (~ts@pD95639ED.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:28.56 | Nidhoggr | it should be invisible to anyone but peepsops members. |
| 20:28.59 | Nidhoggr | or board admins |
| 20:31.18 | Nidhoggr | I think you might be a peepzops member still, grumbler. |
| 20:31.35 | Nidhoggr | yep |
| 20:31.39 | Nidhoggr | that's why you can see it. |
| 20:31.41 | Grumbler | yeah, i am there. although i qualified my one negative response |
| 20:31.48 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 20:31.58 | Grumbler | i am a travelling-admin |
| 20:32.55 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 20:32.58 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: I have quite a bit done, but nothing in a long while |
| 20:33.07 | Nidhoggr | ah. |
| 20:33.10 | Grumbler | ;) |
| 20:39.59 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (13 files in 5 dirs): ws |
| 20:40.26 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (14 files): ws |
| 20:41.50 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (23 files in 8 dirs): ws |
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| 21:12.30 | crko | ~karma |
| 21:12.30 | ibot | crko has karma of -3 |
| 21:12.34 | crko | grrr |
| 21:14.17 | Pimpi | brlcad: i suspect same with quenching ;) |
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| 21:17.21 | Nidhoggr | andrew hasn't turned on his SK yet. |
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| 21:26.51 | Grumbler | man apple has gone to telemarketing |
| 21:30.30 | purple_cow | they've been doing that for a while |
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| 21:37.15 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Simple Map Help - http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking || BZFlag 2.0.0 is Released! - Go to http://sf.net/projects/bzflag http://bzflag.org/wiki/Download | |
| 21:37.15 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 21:46.07 | *** join/#bzflag sgk284 (~stevek@ACA14CDD.ipt.aol.com) |
| 21:46.14 | sgk284 | howdy! |
| 21:46.19 | retro | hey sgk |
| 21:53.11 | retro | retro is SportChick's worst nightmare in the bzflag arena. |
| 21:53.17 | retro | wonder if that took... |
| 21:53.49 | retro | ~retro |
| 21:53.50 | ibot | i guess retro is not defined |
| 21:53.55 | retro | grrr |
| 21:53.58 | retro | ~karma |
| 21:53.58 | ibot | retro has karma of 4 |
| 21:54.02 | retro | moving up! |
| 21:54.55 | Birdie | lol retro |
| 21:55.04 | Birdie | worst nightmare |
| 21:55.17 | retro | gah, why can't I teach ibot? |
| 21:55.26 | Birdie | you can |
| 21:55.39 | Birdie | but dunno how:) |
| 21:55.44 | retro | apparently, I can't. :) |
| 21:56.17 | sgk284 | ~retro is SportChick's worst nightmare in the bzflag arena. |
| 21:56.18 | ibot | ...but retro is already something else... |
| 21:56.24 | sgk284 | ~retro |
| 21:56.25 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, retro is not defined |
| 21:56.34 | retro | odd isn't it |
| 21:56.37 | sgk284 | ~retro is also SportChick's worst nightmare in the bzflag arena. |
| 21:56.39 | ibot | okay, sgk284 |
| 21:56.42 | sgk284 | ~retro |
| 21:56.43 | ibot | retro is, like, not defined SportChick's worst nightmare in the bzflag arena. |
| 21:56.50 | sgk284 | heh close enough;) |
| 21:56.58 | retro | haha |
| 21:57.11 | Birdie | thx sgk |
| 21:57.21 | sgk284 | :) |
| 21:57.38 | retro | I downloaded blootbot source the other day, and found the documentation lacking. Not being a perl hack, I found the code difficult to understand. So I suffer in ignorance. |
| 21:57.46 | retro | :-( |
| 21:58.15 | Nidhoggr | retro: I got blootbot to work. it was a pain, but I figured it out. I don't code at all. |
| 21:58.29 | retro | how did you figure out how to use it though? |
| 21:59.16 | Nidhoggr | a few things. the readme, the website, and bothering TimRiker |
| 21:59.31 | Nidhoggr | and the sample config files in files/sample |
| 22:00.36 | sgk284 | lol |
| 22:00.39 | retro | Hrm. I tried finding where in the code it did something (can't remember what it was now) and it was not obvious... |
| 22:01.16 | Nidhoggr | the documentation is poor. |
| 22:01.24 | Nidhoggr | but I have it doing minimal stuff. |
| 22:03.33 | *** join/#bzflag siimo (~siimo@siimo.user) |
| 22:03.39 | siimo | what do you need to run a bzflag server ? |
| 22:03.40 | TimRiker | trepan: is :8888 supposed to fail on most all the textures? |
| 22:03.44 | siimo | n terms of processing power ? |
| 22:03.47 | TimRiker | siimo: a computer. |
| 22:04.22 | retro | yeah, bzfs is not very compute intensive. Mostly it just needs bandwidth. |
| 22:04.39 | *** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:05.04 | TimRiker | siimo: http://bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer |
| 22:05.10 | siimo | how much bandwidth would i need |
| 22:06.11 | TimRiker | siimo: what do you have? |
| 22:06.17 | JeffM2501 | how many players do you have. |
| 22:07.17 | JeffM2501 | or I should say how much bandwith do you have? that realy determines players |
| 22:07.36 | retro | If you're on a LAN, you have enough. :) |
| 22:07.38 | TimRiker | dialup: forget it. isdn: 3-4, cablemodem: 5-6 dsl: depends on bandwidth, t1: 12, and so on. |
| 22:08.06 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, FYI we also wrote this up, http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 dono if you want to get it worked into wiki |
| 22:08.13 | trepan | TimRiker: did you read the NOTE |
| 22:08.14 | trepan | ? |
| 22:08.21 | trepan | world weapons are borked |
| 22:08.33 | TimRiker | trepan: what NOTE? |
| 22:08.36 | trepan | and i'm getting kicked even though i'm an admin, rough day |
| 22:09.01 | trepan | TimRiker: there's no colored note about DownloadAccess.txt ? |
| 22:09.15 | trepan | nothing about local server denial? |
| 22:10.16 | retro | Nidhoggr, I remember what I was trying to figure out. I was looking for all the insults ibot could sling at people. I found where the insults are defined, but not how to invoke them. |
| 22:10.21 | retro | for example fishslap |
| 22:10.24 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Downloads.cxx: only one DNS call per host during access checking |
| 22:10.29 | sgk284 | trepan, are those problems in cvs or just things that you brought upon yourself? |
| 22:10.41 | trepan | sgk284: those are not problems |
| 22:10.44 | TimRiker | trepan: I put allow * in there, and still don't get the trepan.bzflag.bz stuff. |
| 22:10.52 | trepan | those are intentional |
| 22:10.56 | sgk284 | world weapons being borked? |
| 22:10.58 | trepan | TimRiker: ah, then that's not good then |
| 22:10.59 | retro | Here's a test |
| 22:10.59 | Nidhoggr | hrm. how to invoke as in the command or how to invoke as in adding the permission to insult to a channel? |
| 22:11.02 | retro | ~fishslap retro |
| 22:11.04 | ibot | ACTION slaps retro up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 22:11.25 | sgk284 | and being kicked as an admin? |
| 22:11.25 | Nidhoggr | ~insult retro |
| 22:11.28 | retro | I can't find the for "fish" anywhere in the blootbot source. Very strange. |
| 22:11.29 | TimRiker | ~nslookup trepan.bzflag.org |
| 22:11.30 | trepan | TimRiker: does it say '* failure *' ? |
| 22:11.39 | TimRiker | ~nslookup trepan.bzflag.bz |
| 22:13.43 | TimRiker | http://pastebin.ca/5970 |
| 22:13.52 | retro | Gah, I'll have to ponder this more later. I've got work to do. Work always gets in the way of important things. :) |
| 22:14.12 | trepan | TimRiker: you try looking at them in a browser? |
| 22:14.40 | Nidhoggr | retro :) |
| 22:14.50 | TimRiker | http://graphics.cs.ucdavis.edu/~okreylos/Private/RaytracingCorner/Gallery/Assignment1.png works in a browser. no proxy setup or anything. |
| 22:15.04 | trepan | TimRiker: os? libcurl version? |
| 22:15.12 | TimRiker | so does http://kempele.fi/~skyostil/projects/calypso/gallery/hdr-texture.png |
| 22:15.26 | TimRiker | Linux pegasos 2.6.9-powerpc #1 Sun Dec 12 00:32:24 CET 2004 ppc GNU/Linux debian. |
| 22:15.43 | TimRiker | libcurl 7.13.0 |
| 22:16.02 | trepan | bzflag -d might be useful for curl error messages |
| 22:16.49 | trepan | is it hanging on the 'DNS check...' part, or getting to the download status part and then failing? |
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| 22:17.45 | TimRiker | http://pastebin.ca/5975 |
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| 22:18.03 | TimRiker | trepan: it's not hanging anywhere. just fails to get the files. |
| 22:19.27 | trepan | error 28 -> CURLE_OPERATION_TIMEOUTED |
| 22:19.55 | trepan | 6 is CURLE_COULDNT_RESOLVE_HOST, and 7 is CURLE_COULDNT_CONNECT |
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| 22:20.38 | trepan | so far, we've seen 7.11.2 through 7.12.3 working, maybe they changed something again in 7.13.0 |
| 22:21.53 | TimRiker | those are mighty quick timeouts then. |
| 22:22.27 | trepan | you have httpTimeout set? |
| 22:22.59 | TimRiker | not touched it. |
| 22:23.14 | TimRiker | it's spending less than a second on each request. |
| 22:23.34 | trepan | does the download status message come up? |
| 22:23.54 | trepan | 0% (x/y) ... |
| 22:24.14 | trepan | oh, and are you pressing any keys? |
| 22:24.39 | TimRiker | change timeout to 150 and still get same results. |
| 22:24.42 | TimRiker | nope. |
| 22:24.43 | trepan | hehe, forgot about that, need to change the message |
| 22:24.53 | *** part/#bzflag siimo (~siimo@siimo.user) |
| 22:25.23 | TimRiker | no keys, no mouse movement, nada |
| 22:26.46 | TimRiker | still: downloading: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/earth.png / curl_easy_perform() error: 28 / * failure * |
| 22:27.55 | bryjen | retro: many of the various insults and larts are not part of the code. they're things ibot has been taught. factoids, data |
| 22:28.09 | *** join/#bzflag blootbot (~stevek@ACA14CDD.ipt.aol.com) |
| 22:28.17 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: download abort message |
| 22:28.28 | sgk284 | ~blootbot |
| 22:28.29 | ibot | hmm... blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl decended from infobot. Hosted on SF. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/,. I am a blootbot |
| 22:28.41 | trepan | TimRiker: dunno, timeout should be 15 |
| 22:28.49 | sgk284 | retro, bloot is working fine:) |
| 22:30.42 | sgk284 | retro, what was your problem with it? |
| 22:31.53 | TimRiker | trepan: nod. 15 is what it started as. just sayint that changing it had no effect. |
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| 22:39.18 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: only abort downloads on ESC-down, continue to flush the rest |
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| 23:33.59 | SportChick | is bzbb down? |
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| 23:37.39 | DTRemenak | seems to be |
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| 23:38.45 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 23:40.55 | TimRiker | seems ok. it may have just been down while the upgrade was in process. |
| 23:43.09 | Tupone | TimRiker: have you seen newsforge.org ? :) |
| 23:45.44 | TimRiker | http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/09/1628250&tid=150 ? |
| 23:46.59 | Tupone | yeah, my club :) |
| 23:49.38 | TimRiker | sweet! |
| 23:53.41 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/mediafile/PNGImageFile.cxx: fix 48bpp RGB/RGBA png decoding |
