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01:05.43bz0772hi, is anyone here
01:05.54bz0772hello
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01:06.08bz0772hey blast
01:06.33bz0772hi
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01:14.41MeBigFatGuynow THATS a pie chart!
01:15.07shorty114?
01:15.23MeBigFatGuyin the freenode 'welcome' page
01:15.38MeBigFatGuyascii-art pie chart
01:19.00shorty114oh
01:19.01shorty114heh
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02:35.43wegstar~bzfquery node.game-server.cc:5154
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02:40.41Legoguyis there any way for me to set a global time _other than_ that of the server?
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02:41.52amathisI need more SG-1 >_<>_<
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03:07.03shorty114hi Me
03:07.06shorty114hi Memnarch
03:07.29Memnarchhi, shorty
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03:12.18wegstar?
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03:35.50`ls`Pimpinella: yes?
03:51.35Legoguy[ NVIDIA GPU ] Core Temp: 79 C | Ambient Temp: 58 C
03:51.37Legoguywoah
03:51.44Legoguythat's after a nice long session of BZFlag
03:51.56Legoguythat's incredibly hot :|
03:52.34Aribethneed some more fans.
03:52.44Legoguyyep.
03:52.47Legoguyno.
03:52.51Legoguyneed better case.
03:53.03Legoguystock gateway one, with 1 fan
03:53.11Aribethnor liquid cooling
03:53.18Legoguy(didn't even come with a fan for the spot either)
03:53.28Aribetheek
03:53.37Legoguyyeah
03:53.54Legoguybut this isn't hardly the same system as it was when i bought it
03:53.58Aribethmy bzflag server has 7 fans
03:53.58Legoguyupgraded it all
03:54.41Legoguyit used to be P4 2.26 GHz w/ GeForce4 MX440, now 3.2GHz HyperThreaded P4 with GeForce FX 5900
03:55.28Aribethnice system
03:55.43Legoguyhah my bzflag server is an old 350MHz with 192MB RAM and two 3gb HDs :P
03:55.52Aribethi just built a Sun Ultra 80 with 4 cpu's
03:56.07Legoguy4xwhat
03:56.25Aribethim installing gentoo linux on it
03:56.30Legoguyexcellent
03:56.36Legoguythats what i run on all my boxes
03:56.47Legoguy4 x what kind of proc
03:56.50Aribeth4 450mhz cpu's with 4 mb cache each
03:57.01Legoguymeh
03:57.19Aribethim fighting it out installing the 2.6 kernel
03:57.36Legoguythats a lotta cache but not all that much processing power
03:57.46Legoguyiooh
03:57.48Legoguy4 mb
03:57.50Legoguyheh
03:57.53Aribeth1 gb ram, 2 dual channel scsi controllers
03:58.14Legoguy[ cpu ] Dual Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz | 3202.131 MHz | 1024 KB Cache | BogoMIPS: 12746.8 | CPU Usage: 2.49%
03:58.19Aribethits all 64 bit though
03:58.51Legoguyyeah
03:58.55Legoguy[ mem ] Total: 1033Mb | Used: 338Mb | Percent Used: 32.6937% [||||------]
03:59.13Aribethnot bad
03:59.24Legoguyprobably :(
03:59.25Aribethheh
03:59.29MeBigFatGuydue to memory limitations
03:59.34Pizbit_MeBigFatGuy: Given that people are still using win98...
03:59.38Legoguyhah
03:59.48PizbitThey'll be around for a *long* time.
03:59.51Legoguyyeah i have an old P1 200 MMX running 98 for my mom
03:59.53Legoguypoor mom
03:59.59Legoguylooking for a better one tho
04:00.06Aribethi have solaris 10 and gentoo installed on my ultra 80
04:00.10Legoguyshe deserves better than that
04:00.39wegstar~bzfquery node.game-server.cc:5154
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04:10.41CIA-5BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (8 files in 4 dirs): remove -requireidentify in favor of SPAWN permission
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04:13.52CIA-5BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: remove -requireidentify in favor of SPAWN permission
04:14.12trepanthat's unfortunate
04:15.39brlcadlooks like we're breaking compatibility already
04:18.32TimRikerwhich?
04:18.46trepan-requireidentify
04:18.48TimRikerclient won't see it any different.
04:18.58TimRikerserver config changes though.
04:19.02trepannow if i want to switch, i'll have to edit files  (and i do switch on the fly)
04:19.46TimRikerhmm. didn't test what the old server would do with the SPAWN flag.
04:20.12bryjennothing. i believe it just ignores perms it doesn't recognize
04:20.14trepanit'll ignore it, iirc
04:21.22TimRikeryep it does. so add a SPAWN whereever you want it.
04:22.05TimRikertrepan: so you do have to edit the file if you use -requireidentify but SPAWN can stay for both.
04:22.36brlcadshouldn't the removal of the flag wait for at least a minor update?
04:22.51brlcador are we on 2.1 already?
04:23.00TimRikerI do think it's unfortunate that we didn't do it as SPAWN first, but I think the league folks will like it a lot.
04:23.04trepanTimRiker: what?
04:23.25TimRikerbrlcad: was planning it for 2.0.2
04:23.32trepanTimRiker: i didn't have to edit any files, now i do. simple
04:24.07brlcadthat's my point.. we're not, so it shouldn't force changes yet unless it was a serious bug
04:24.15TimRikertrepan: yes. unless you are using -requireidentify which I didn't think you were, you only have to do a single edit and then you can still share files.
04:24.21trepanbrlcad: give me another couple of days before 2.0.2   :)
04:24.43brlcadtrepan: okie dokie
04:24.46trepanTimRiker: on the fly... so no, i can't share them
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04:24.57TimRikertrepan: why not?
04:25.25brlcadold won't require identify if he removes it as it'll not know about spawn
04:25.25trepanmore then one server running at once, potential /reload's, etc...
04:25.48TimRikertrepan: are you using -requireidentify?
04:25.52trepanyes
04:26.09brlcadi know of a handful of servers that are
04:26.51TimRikerthe new method is not only cleaner, it's more flexible.
04:27.07brlcadi don't think that's in high dispute
04:27.15brlcadit's forcing the change on a patch update
04:27.23trepanit was a handy command line switch to have
04:27.37brlcadokay, trepan disputes it :)
04:27.40trepanno big loss, if i realy want it, i'll hack it  :)
04:27.42bryjeni think trepan is saying its not easier to turn it off and on (like including or excluding the command line option)
04:28.28TimRikerwell the issue I had was that excluding the command did not remove requireidentify. nor did the command add it if it was already set.
04:28.29trepanwoohoo, http texture downloads (and maps) with ESC breaking
04:28.37TimRikerso to avoid the amiguity, I removed it.
04:29.26TimRikerthat and the confusion with -requireindetify and requireIdentify doing different things.
04:29.50TimRikerer s/-requireindetify/-requireidentify/
04:32.29TimRikerbbiab
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04:35.11brlcadcould have -requireIdentify remove spawn from everyone group if it's there
04:36.00trepanthat's what i was planning
04:44.50wegstarahhhhh!!!
04:44.57wegstar-helpfile doesn't work
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04:45.19wegstar-helpfile Hall_of_Fame.txt Hall_of_Fame
04:45.33wegstarHELP!
04:47.40TimRikername + what time?
04:47.51TimRikerfor that matter, what name?
04:48.11trepantextures, url names
04:48.30TimRikerie: if I get foo.png from server a dated 20010101 and foo.png from server b dated 20010101 does it assume that the two are the same?
04:48.39trepanno
04:49.00TimRikerso full url path and file date?
04:49.05trepanyup
04:49.17TimRikerwhat about worlds?
04:49.30trepanthe md5 key is optionned, but not used for textures
04:50.12trepancached files as ~/.bzf/cache/http/bzflag.org/title.png
04:51.24trepanfigure it's just appearances, so you'll get the most recent, not unlike web pages
04:51.32TimRikertrepan: port number?
04:51.48trepanwhatever the link name is
04:52.10trepanalso plan on have cache size limiter
04:52.36TimRikernot that I'm saying include it... but what happens if http://example.com:80/foo.png and ttp://example.com:81/foo.png are different?
04:52.37trepan(based on last file usage times )
04:52.54trepanTimRiker: those look like different names to me
04:53.22TimRikerthey'd both be ~/.bzf/cache/http/example.com/foo.png no?
04:53.47trepannope, ~/.bzf/cache/http/example.com:80/foo.png  and  s/80/81
04:54.02trepanit's the exact url name
04:54.17TimRikerso ~/.bzf/cache/http/example.com:80/foo.png and ~/.bzf/cache/http/example.com/foo.png are both in the cache?
04:54.24trepanyup
04:54.49TimRikernot ideal, but entirely reasonable.
04:54.55trepanthat's what i figured
04:55.14trepaneasy way to start it off, can do md5 xref'ing later if desired
04:55.31trepanwith cache size limiting, the unused should roll off
04:55.57TimRikerhmm. how do you find the "unused" ?
04:56.04trepanTimRiker: you see AccessList? (the server blocking mechanism)
04:56.19TimRikertrepan: saw it. not sure how I'd actually use it.
04:56.42trepanah, but is it enough to permit texture d/ls?
04:56.52trepandon't think you'll get much better really...
04:57.01TimRikernot clear where the access list is coming from.
04:57.17trepan.bzf/ServerAccess.txt and .bzf/DownloadAccess.txt
04:57.32TimRikerand who adds/removes stuff from there and when?
04:57.37trepani'll create a default .bzf/DownloadAccess.txt if it doesn't exist
04:57.59trepanTimRiker: the parents, if they care enough
04:58.32TimRikernot likely anyone who cared would know what to add/remove is it?
04:58.41TimRikerdefault would be wide open?
04:59.08trepanallow *.bzflag.org ?
04:59.59trepan(followed by: deny *)
05:00.07TimRikerperhaps. I was pondering getting a trusted site list with a http request by default and just allowing that to be turned off.
05:00.31TimRikerso we'd maintain it like the banlist is now.
05:00.37trepanmerging?
05:00.43TimRikerreplacing.
05:00.49trepanbanlist is merged
05:01.00TimRikerI was only thinking textures though.
05:01.27trepani'll leave that to you then...
05:01.35TimRikerbanlist is merged with another local list, yes? we could do that.
05:01.45trepani don't think it's going to matter much either way, i just did it for show
05:02.10trepanthe kids probably have to install S/W for the folks in most cases anyways  :)
05:02.11TimRiker*.bzflag.org and deny * is fine by me.
05:02.30TimRikerthen if we want to replace that from a central list, we can add that later.
05:03.14TimRikerso all this from me is just comments. rock on. ;-)
05:14.18DTRemenaktrepan:  "cache/http/example.com:80/foo.png" is illegal on windows, : is special
05:17.44trepancan it be escaped?
05:18.13MeBigFatGuyidiots: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144281,00.html
05:18.53MeBigFatGuy"The company said it would discontinue the bear, but not before Feb. 14.
05:18.53MeBigFatGuy"
05:20.21DTRemenaktrepan, nope
05:20.29DTRemenakwindows is stupid that way :)
05:20.52trepanwould that be the only problem char?
05:21.12trepanthere's also \ ?
05:21.21DTRemenak:, \, ", and / I think
05:21.36lan56MeBigFatGuy: heh, that's one of those controversies that have two sides of equal reason
05:21.36DTRemenakbut \ and / can just be made into subdirs
05:22.05DTRemenakoh, and ? and *
05:22.08trepani'll make it work on linux, you fix it?   =)
05:22.11DTRemenakheh
05:22.15DTRemenakum...ok... :)
05:22.17trepanyou can't have filenames with * and ?
05:22.20lan56MeBigFatGuy: it could be taken as making fun of people in straightjackets, but it also could mean how close people are that love each other
05:22.22DTRemenakthat's correct.
05:22.28DTRemenakwindows is autoglobbing
05:22.35trepanwindows sucks
05:22.39DTRemenakhehe :)
05:23.25trepanit'll just be one function in CacheManager, should be easy
05:23.32MeBigFatGuylan56 yup
05:23.46MeBigFatGuybut the weaker class's argument always wins
05:23.51brlcadwhat about url_encoding the thing
05:24.07trepanthought of that, looks ugly
05:24.08lan56MeBigFatGuy: indeed
05:24.18trepani was even allowing spaces, cause the parser doesn't  :)
05:24.23trepans/was/wasn't
05:24.33trepan(and because i hate them, a lot)
05:26.54sgk284TimRiker, thanks for getting the changelog for me
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05:28.12shorty114hehe
05:28.14Pizbitheh
05:28.23shorty114JeffMmini: ping
05:28.58brlcadsuch anger against the poor defenseless whitespace
05:30.59trepans/since/seen
05:31.07DTRemenakheh
05:32.08brlcadblame the programmer!
05:32.42trepanit's a needless complication, all those "'s flying about
05:33.29DTRemenak""""""""""
05:33.29brlcadsome OS's make it easy to not care
05:33.50brlcadonly complicated to the programmer, ease of use for the non computer folk who don't give a sht
05:36.05JeffMminisorty what up?
05:38.08trepanfyi: i also added a peekEvent() call to BzfDisplay, but it's only implemented for SDL
05:38.23trepanif you want to be able to escape downloads on your OS, then ...
05:39.20brlcad:)
05:41.55shorty114JeffMmini: do you have a smaller version of the OpenCombat logo?
05:42.03JeffMminino
05:42.12shorty114the one on http://www.shorty114.net/projects/opencombat/ isn't exactly official
05:43.39JeffMminino it's not
05:43.50shorty114exactly.
05:44.05shorty114hmm...i'll try cropping the opencombat.net banner
05:46.32TimRikersgk284: =) np.
05:49.12TimRikertrepan: best url_encode the hostname:port so windows can handle it. the rest should not have any : in them.
05:50.58JeffMminithats not ether
05:52.21shorty114JeffMmini: so what's the official logo?
05:52.30TimRikerJeffMmini: ether?
05:52.44TimRikeroh. logos.
05:53.51bryjenoh wow. do i feel stupid. http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=29154#29154 corrected by a munchie :/
05:55.04lan56bryjen: that's embarresing :)
06:04.48shorty114bryjen: ouch.
06:07.44CIA-5BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6s: document SPAWN
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06:18.51TimRikerPimpinella: so, apple answer?
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06:21.11MeBigFatGuyplaying.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: bool __thiscall AccessList::authorized(class std::vector<class std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >,class std::allocator<class std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> > > > const &)const " (?authorized@AccessList@@QBE_NABV?$vector@V?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocato
06:21.12MeBigFatGuyr@D@2@@std@@V?$allocator@V?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@@2@@std@@@Z) referenced in function "void __cdecl joinInternetGame(void)" (?joinInternetGame@@YAXXZ)
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06:22.51shorty114whoa
06:26.07trepanMeBigFatGuy: you add AccessList.cxx into your project?
06:26.18MeBigFatGuyah
06:26.22MeBigFatGuydidn't see the add
06:26.25MeBigFatGuywhat project?
06:26.29trepancommon
06:28.17PimpinellaTimRiker: still around?
06:29.19Pimpinellai have an answer for your apple question ;)
06:30.37Pimpinellaif you reference everyone in apple before you redefined it the default perms will be given to apple
06:30.46TimRikerPimpinella: for a bit.
06:30.55Pimpinellathats no bug, thats misconfiguration
06:31.17TimRikerbut your issue is _not_ misconfiguration?
06:31.28MeBigFatGuyok, and how bout glob_match?
06:31.37CIA-5BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/common.vcproj: add AccessList to project
06:31.40sgk284what do people think about an option allowing servers to retain players scores so next time they play its the same as when they left?
06:31.43Pimpinellayou could also define apple, reference it in pear and redefine apple
06:31.57MeBigFatGuysgk284, theer used to be that option, twas removed
06:31.58Pimpinellapear would get perms of the first apple
06:32.05sgk284oh, why?
06:32.20MeBigFatGuy*shrug* ... progress
06:32.23sgk284heh
06:33.14PimpinellaTimRiker: no default groups are default, which means thay have to be there at any time within the game
06:33.44MeBigFatGuytrepan, glob_match?
06:33.55trepancommon/bzglob.cxx
06:34.03TimRikerPimpinella: I'm not against moving LOCAL.ADMIN first _if_ someone(tm) fixes the read so it frees the old lists instead of the current leaking.
06:34.08Pimpinellayou're true, that there's a memory leakage, but it's there regardless of the order
06:34.36Pimpinellalook at my example, will the first apple be destroyed?
06:34.48TimRikerPimpinella: however, I'd rather error out on your misconfigureation than silently grant permissions on some server that the admin did not intend.
06:35.30TimRikerPimpinella: destroyed? no. overwritten, yes. not free it's memory, also true.
06:36.26TimRikeractually I'd like it to error out instead of overriding an existing group.
06:36.31Pimpinellai explained that issue in another patch to brlcad yesterday, where i added documentation for referencing groups
06:36.55CIA-5BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/common.vcproj: dont forget the glob
06:37.14TimRikeryou send him a patch that causes a memory leak and handled that by documenting it?
06:37.29Pimpinellai explicitly explained, that order matters, that you can't reference a group before you defined it
06:37.52TimRikerah.
06:38.10Pimpinellai documented referencing in bzfs.6
06:38.17TimRikerthis is exactly true at present. and if you do reference a non-existing group, it dies with an error message. yes?
06:38.18Pimpinellawhich wasn't
06:38.35Pimpinellano, it won't die
06:38.40TimRikercurrently?
06:38.50Pimpinellajust skips and error messae
06:39.30TimRikerah. ok. I was meaning the error message. so now it's a warning message. still ok in my book.
06:39.38Pimpinellaand, btw. it's not me who made that memory leakage, think of apples and pears
06:39.43TimRikeryour patch removes the warning. correct?
06:39.44Pimpinellait was aredy there
06:40.03Pimpinellano, i won't remove any warnings ;)
06:40.19TimRikeragreed. hence my comment that it should refuse to overwrite any group.
06:41.02Pimpinelladidn't so far
06:41.04TimRikerPimpinella: I think you patch _does_ remove the warning. your current server setup without the patch gives a warning. and with it, does not.
06:41.57TimRikerand for someone with EVERYONE redefined, there is currently no memory leak. and with your patch, there is.
06:42.22TimRikerboth have a memory leak if EVERYONE is defined twice.
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06:42.42TimRikeram I missing something?
06:42.47Pimpinelladepends on the point of view, it doesn't give a warning, because the default groups are already there
06:42.59TimRikerso it leaks memory instead.
06:43.12Pimpinellaald thats what it should be, no?
06:43.20TimRikerald?
06:43.24Pimpinellaand
06:43.37TimRikerit _should_ leak memory?
06:43.39Pimpinella<PROTECTED>
06:43.47TimRikerah.
06:44.09Pimpinellathe groups are default, which means they are expected to be
06:44.40Pimpinellaso we should fix the leakage instead of bypassing it, no?
06:45.14Pimpinellaif i define 2 apples i also leak memory
06:45.22TimRikerno. in the APPLE example, the user looking at the file would expect APPLE to _not_ have idleStats when in fact they do, the server memory leaks, and they get no warning.
06:46.11TimRikeragreed. defining the same group twice should get a warning and be ignored.
06:46.26TimRikerit should not memory leak. that's a clear bug.
06:47.22TimRikergetting a warning and ignoring the apple reference is the correct behaviour.
06:47.27Pimpinellaso, how about this: take my order, fix memory leakage and give a warning if default groups are referenced
06:48.00TimRikermis-interpreting the apple reference, and giving no warning is clearly not the correct behavior.
06:49.03Pimpinellathe memory leakage must be fixed anyway, it's there independently of my patch
06:49.07TimRikerPimpinella: I'd much rather fix the memory leak, and not allow ADMIN.LOCAL to be overridden, defining that one first.
06:49.49Pimpinellaoh, it can be overwritten, even if it's defined first
06:49.53Pimpinellai tested that
06:50.13TimRikerPimpinella: it's there now only in the incorrect case of having the same group defined twice in a groupdb. your patch exposes the bug under a normal configuration.
06:50.27Pimpinellamust be checked independently than
06:50.40Pimpinellathen*
06:51.42Pimpinellaso what about my suggestion
06:52.00TimRikerreferences to groups that have not yet been defined should warn and be ignored.
06:52.32TimRikerdefaulting to giving more permissions that intended is a Bad Thing. even if it gives a warning.
06:53.01Pimpinellamy order, warning for referencing default groups and fixing the leakage (which has to be done in any case)
06:53.11TimRikerso I'm not at all happy with APPLE giving permissions based on the builtin EVERYONE instead of the one in the groupdb.
06:53.23Pimpinellahm
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06:53.44TimRikeryour proposal continues to give this unexpected permission out. even though it does warn.
06:54.26Pimpinellainstead it gives you an error message that everyone doesn't exist
06:54.30TimRikerthis is particularly important with the new SPAWN permission. if EVERYONE did not have it but APPLE did, that would be bad.
06:54.40Pimpinellathough you expected it to do
06:54.48Pimpinellaa bug for me
06:55.57TimRikeryour issue with local.admin is likely common. and local.admin is likely to always want all permissions. that's how it's defined. so defining that one group first makes sense. it's unlikely to grant any un-intended permissions.
06:55.57Pimpinellaboiling down to this, does the operator expect everyone existing when he makes the groupdb?
06:56.03Pimpinellai think yes
06:56.33TimRikerI would agree. however if it does not it means he gets less permissions that he expected.
06:56.37TimRikerthe reverse:
06:57.06TimRikerdoes the operator expect the everyone he defines without spawn to be the one referenced?
06:57.13TimRikerI would say yes.
06:57.40jomojohey whats the command to reset a server back to default settings????
06:57.45TimRikerand the reverse order means that everyone _does_ have spawn and unless he read that one line he won't know.
06:58.04Pimpinellaand he places the new everyone before apple, or he didn't RTFM
06:58.32TimRikeryes. but the issue remains. the server started, and granted _more_ than expected permissions.
06:58.36Pimpinellawhih is misconfiguration
06:58.59TimRikerI consider that a _much_ more serious bug than starting and granting _less_ than expected permissions.
07:00.04Pimpinellawell, we have diffenent views on that point, so no outcome. i'll change order with only local.admin predefined and fix the leakage
07:00.39TimRikercurrent behaviour forces the admin to add an everyone before the apple and getting the correct behaviour. else apple just won't have permissions and they bug the admin to get that fixed.
07:01.04TimRikerok.
07:01.10jomojoor not
07:01.25Pimpinellajomojo: /reload
07:01.34TimRikercan you confirm this: you're issue at present is only with local.admin, correct?
07:01.36jomojothanks pimpi
07:01.55TimRikerer your... tired. ;-)
07:02.23jomojoTimRiker: what's the weather like in Dallas???? i grew up there
07:02.32PimpinellaTimRiker: actually yes, dunno about future
07:02.34TimRiker~weather kdfw
07:03.04jomojofair would have been okay to
07:03.15PimpinellaTimRiker: no, not tired, it's morning here and i'd have to work and i'm already half an hour late
07:03.19jomojolol
07:03.31Pimpinellathough i'm tired of teh discussion ;)
07:04.02TimRikerPimpinella: nod. I'm pondering more advanced setups at present and trying to get a long term view. in spite of this spat... (jk)  I do want to hear how it impacts other ops.
07:04.43TimRikerPimpinella: I meant s/you're/your/  and that I'm tired. I typoed on the line before that comment.
07:05.11TimRikerjomojo: =)
07:05.32PimpinellaTimRiker: i'm also working on an addition to setperms, to allow only setting specified groups
07:05.45Pimpinellawell, bbl
07:05.55TimRikerPimpinella: thx for putting up with me
07:07.21TimRikerPimpinella: I'm interesting in what you are thinking for the setperm improvement. that's another real life issue that needs work.
07:08.26TimRikerwell. must sleep here.
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07:28.46PrezKennedy"Geforcefx5200 costs 50EUR, is reasonably fast" - perhaps if you were upgrading from a TNT card...
07:40.30JeffMmini5200 is not horible for bzflag class games
07:40.39JeffMminiand it's got shaders
07:46.57PrezKennedyi wouldnt call it fast... in any circumstance
07:50.00JeffMminiit'll drive bzflag over 60fps on most games
07:50.05JeffMminiit's got a GPU
07:50.16JeffMminiit'll run prince of persia just fine
07:50.26JeffMminithere are many worse cards :)
07:50.49JeffMminibut yeah it's the slowest FX
07:51.01JeffMminibut it's cheap, better then intell integrated
07:56.44PrezKennedyyeah
07:56.54PrezKennedybut itll die on anything recent... ;-)
07:57.03JeffMminitrue
07:57.11JeffMminibut like this crowd plays anything recent :)
07:57.33PrezKennedyi like what i have
07:57.42PrezKennedyeven though its a hand-me-down its still a really good card
07:58.24JeffMminiwhat card?
07:58.31PrezKennedy9800 PRO
07:58.38JeffMminiyeah they are decent
07:58.41JeffMminifor an ATI
07:58.43PizbitATI eh?
07:58.50Pizbit*shudders*
07:58.54PrezKennedyi paid $0
07:58.59JeffMminibest of luck with the drivers on that :)
07:59.06JeffMminiyeah I have one, didn't pay anything for it ether
07:59.12JeffMministill perfer my 5750
07:59.14PrezKennedyyeah im on..
07:59.22PrezKennedywindows...
07:59.50JeffMminiyup, best of luck on those drivers :)
08:00.02JeffMminitho there are more people working on the win ones, then the others
08:00.03PrezKennedyyeah the nvidia ones are far superior
08:00.56JeffMminiATI did not take driver dev that seriously till recently
08:01.01JeffMminiso they are a bit far behind
08:01.04JeffMminibut they are geting better
08:01.44JeffMmininot doing nix drivers for the 7000 series cards made many mad tho
08:01.52JeffMminiLOT of laptops with 7ks
08:02.05PrezKennedyoops :-)
08:02.28JeffMmininvidia did the TNT up to current
08:02.41JeffMminiand there were already riva 128 drivers
08:03.19JeffMmininether company is going to open source, since it would mean handing there driver tech to the other guy
08:03.31JeffMminiand it's proven that drivers are what can make or break a card
08:03.39JeffMminiit's one thing that killed the voodoo5-6 line
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08:18.38trepanhttp://members.rogers.com/trepan/texdown.jpg   =)
08:20.30JeffMminicool
08:20.50JeffMminigot a sonic the hedge hog fettish? :)
08:21.24PrezKennedyhey trepan you know there was sonic for SNES?
08:21.27trepanheh, googled "png gallery", wanted some fair sized images
08:21.52trepan(non-local to test ESC bailing)
08:30.26trepanPrezKennedy: nope, never played it
08:30.56PrezKennedyyea i found it...
08:31.00PrezKennedyyou arent missing much
08:31.19PrezKennedyother than the fact that sonic goes around rescuing mario from traps every so often
08:32.05PrezKennedyhttp://photos1.blogger.com/img/40/1029/800/sonic%20mario.jpg
08:38.24sgk284trepan, that is awesome
08:41.24trepansgk284: thx
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08:45.16jpa_morning
08:45.31lan56morning
08:45.58jpa_trepan: cool
08:46.04jpa_~trepan++
08:46.42jpa_trepan: unless you just put some text there in console, not really downloading anything ,)
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10:19.54cristilol
10:19.54cristi:)
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10:21.51ginaomg!
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10:22.05gina!seen gina
10:22.05guugina: gina was last seen here 13 seconds ago saying: <gina> omg!
10:22.09ginathats better
10:22.17cristihaha
10:22.21cristi~karma gina
10:22.21ibotgina has karma of 6
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10:22.41guuWish I knew.
10:23.40cristi~doughecka_--
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10:24.22cristilol
10:25.15cristihaha
10:25.37cristijpa_, let's do ~ibot--, ok?
10:26.17jpa_why?
10:27.39Birdiehey gina
10:27.46Birdiemy belgium friend
10:28.26ginahi Birdie
10:28.32ginabrb setting up a wireless lan
10:28.44Birdieo
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10:39.13ginayes yes yes
10:39.35ginathen
10:39.43Birdiesry
10:39.47ginabroke through 3 routers :)
10:39.59Birdielol :)
10:40.10ginanow going to test wireless brb
10:40.21Pimpinellagl gina
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12:18.03crkois there a way for buildings to ignore some server commands (+r)
12:18.04crko?
12:18.27jpa_nope
12:18.36crkoso that one doesn't have +r and the other do
12:18.37crkoah :/
12:19.15jpa_best you could do is having a bigger box with shootthrough and mesh inside it, with faces wrong way around
12:19.48crkoah
12:19.58crkodon't have the energy for that :P
12:20.13jpa_shouldn't be too difficult :)
12:20.27jpa_just fun-looking in the radar, shots bouncing inside the box :)
12:21.02crkolol
12:21.18crkojpa_, no i have three boxes in the corner
12:21.29crkoopacity 0.25
12:21.44crkobut it's no big deal ;)
12:22.36crkooh and one more thing
12:22.39crkois there a way
12:22.43crkoto make a building
12:22.50crkodrivethrough on one side
12:22.56crkobut not on the other
12:24.23codsalso just a pyramid (even flat) prevent flag to respawn
12:24.56codsI do that for some part of my map where I know no tank can climb on some building.
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12:26.12bzmac_userhello
12:26.18bzmac_userI just downloaded bzflag for mac
12:26.32bzmac_userbut when I launch it, the screen goes black and I must quit with F12
12:26.47jpa_cods: also alpha 0, shootthrough, drivethrough could be used as "prevent flags" zone
12:26.54jpa_crko: with mesh, yes
12:26.55bzmac_userwhere are the options stored, so that I can change them by hand_
12:26.57bzmac_user?
12:27.03crkojpa_, how would that be?
12:27.06codseven for alpha 0, you're sure of that ?
12:28.21jpa_cods: hmm.. i almost remember having tested it..
12:28.22codshmm, or possible, but maybe for anything != 1 too.
12:28.22jpa_crko: wait, have to test
12:28.22crkojpa_, ok
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13:03.43crkocouldn't find reference material: purple1
13:03.43crkoC:\ikarus.bzw: warning (line 1107): unknown object parameter "matref" - skipping
13:03.45crkowhy is that
13:03.50crkoi have it in the map
13:04.03crkomaterial
13:04.03crkoname purple1
13:04.03crkocolor 0.7 0 0.7 1
13:04.03crkoend
13:04.38jpa_how do you reference it?
13:04.55crkomatref purple1
13:05.12jpa_and _after_ the material definition?
13:05.15crkoarc
13:05.15crkosize 7 7 0.01
13:05.15crkopos 366.5 396.5 0
13:05.15crkomatref purple1
13:05.15crkophydrv trampoline
13:05.16crkoend
13:06.04jpa_is pos a real tag?
13:06.18jpa_i know only "position" or "shift"
13:06.35crkoi think it works
13:06.38crkopos rot
13:06.50crkoit works everytime i use it
13:08.49crkois it because it's an arc?
13:09.18crkonope
13:11.35codspos/position and rot/rotation are identicals in bzflag
13:11.40codsfor any objects
13:12.02crkoyes
13:12.09crkobut that's not the point :P
13:12.19codsI answer jpa :)
13:12.28crkohehe
13:12.28crkook
13:12.37crkowhoa
13:12.42crkoi used different names
13:12.43crko...
13:12.55crkothere was a material allready: purple
13:12.59crkoand i made purple1
13:13.11crkobut i now renamed it and it works :>>
13:14.16codsalso if you duplicate a material, and change its name, you can't use it.
13:14.34codsit have to be different from all previous material to be correctly declared.
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13:14.47tea|treehola
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13:17.58crkohm
13:18.39crkohmm
13:18.58crkocods, how can i make a (box) so you don't have to jump on it
13:19.04crkothe height?
13:19.12crkoi used 0.01 but it was lifted
13:19.13crko0?
13:20.41codsI don't understand your question
13:21.31codsah, I see. You have to change to setting to allow tank to climb (very) small boxes.
13:21.39codsI don't remember settings name.
13:21.55crkoah :/
13:22.06crkoit's a trampoline ;)
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13:24.29codswhat ?
13:24.51codsno, I'm talking about a settings that make jump driving from one box to another for small height difference.
13:25.01crkoyes
13:25.02codsnothing related to vertical velocity
13:25.06crkook
13:25.14codsoops
13:25.15crkoso it will be ok if it's a trampoline?
13:25.17codsjump->tank
13:25.29crko?
13:25.32codsif my first sentence, I'm mean 'tank' not 'jump'. Lapsus.
13:25.35tea|treehow do i remove red eyes from pictures ;) and with wich program?
13:25.35codsif->in
13:25.36codsgah
13:25.38codsI can't write.
13:25.46crkooh
13:26.09crkotea|tree, photoshop (this is a tank game)
13:26.25tea|treeive got adobe ;o)
13:26.26tea|treeps
13:26.33crkotea|tree, yea
13:26.34tea|treebut i dont know how to remove red eyes
13:26.40crkohm
13:26.47jpa_<PROTECTED>
13:26.51crkoi'm sure you have a tutorial for this
13:26.53codsbah, better ask on the good channel.. This is off topic here.
13:26.56crkoand if not
13:26.59crkoit's in the manual
13:27.05crkoyes
13:27.36jpa_tea|tree: basically, select the eyes and move blue channel to red channel
13:27.54crkothanks jpa_
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13:28.39cristihi all
13:33.00crkohm
13:33.09crkothe Climb thing doesn't work
13:33.23crkoi have an arc with Z size: 0.01
13:33.31crkoand the bumpheight set to 1
13:33.38crkoand noClimb on 0
13:33.44crkois that correct
13:33.44crko?
13:33.57jpa_if the variables exist, yes
13:34.09jpa_check for typing errors
13:34.30jpa_i do not know whether climbing works for arcs
13:34.46codsit should work for any object.
13:35.17crkoi typed it all correctly
13:35.19crkochecked
13:36.13cristijpa_, you have blender ?
13:36.23jpa_umm.. yes?
13:36.35cristiyou have blender?
13:36.57jpa_no, i just said yes because i do not have it
13:37.07crkolol
13:37.07crko:>
13:37.35cristianyone else ?
13:37.56cristi:))
13:38.03crkoyes
13:38.10cristiyou have it ?
13:38.18crkoi think some of the people on #blender could have it too
13:38.19crko:P
13:38.43crkoyes i have it and i'm not screwing around..
13:38.54crkoi think jpa_ wasn't too
13:38.56crko:P
13:39.17jpa_yup.. try to get to your point already
13:39.32crkooho
13:39.33Pimpinella~dict munchkin
13:39.38crkomoving on to #blender i see
13:39.38crko:P
13:40.45Pimpinellacristi: most of us have blender
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13:42.09Birdieops
13:42.09crkolol
13:42.36me1hi
13:43.06Pimpinellahi me1
13:43.51tea|tree:(
13:44.20Pimpinellawhats wrong tea|tree ?
13:45.06Pimpinellagrr, ibot's sleeping
13:45.07tea|treetrying to remove red eyes from a picture with ps, but it doesnt work :(
13:45.12crkoany idea about the bump??
13:45.57Pimpinellawe're polite
13:46.10codsI was too, until I get bored.
13:46.13crko:>
13:46.17crkogot*
13:46.33codsyep, thx.
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13:46.56Pimpinella!dict munchkin
13:47.00guuPimpinella: jargon and foldoc responded: jargon: munchkin /muhnch'kin/ n. [from the squeaky-voiced little people in L. Frank Baum's "The Wizard of Oz"] A teenage-or-younger micro enthusiast hacking BASIC or something else equally constricted. A term of mild derision -- munchkins are annoying but some grow up to be hackers after passing through a {larval stage}. The term {urchin} is also used. See (2 more messages)
13:47.00Pimpinellayo Blue_Eyes
13:47.06Birdieat least guu isnt sleeping
13:47.07tea|treeive marked the eye ;o)
13:47.23Blue_Eyeshey pimpi & Birdie :)
13:47.28Birdiehi blue
13:47.40Blue_Eyeshi all Bzfla
13:48.04DarthValouhey Blue!
13:49.06Blue_Eyeshey DV :)
13:49.07tea|treejpa_ i marked 1 eye now, what now? .. the problem is im using german ps
13:49.28jpa_tea|tree: i've never used photoshop
13:49.40jpa_tea|tree: so i don't think i will be much of use
13:49.48tea|treejpa_ thx anyway ;)
13:50.07jpa_google knows, google can help :)
13:50.24crkook now i got 2 problems unsolved :/
13:50.39crkothe +f in a zone and the Climb thingy...
13:52.08Pimpinellaoh, ps is photoshop for u...
13:53.47Pimpinellain unix terms ps is usually used for postscript and i was alredy wondering if you were some kind of masocistic...
13:54.04cods:)
13:54.17crkoloool
13:54.23crkomasocistic ;)
13:55.21Pimpinellamasochistic
13:55.40Pizbitps is also a program that shows the current processes.
13:56.37Pimpinellayeah, but i know no way to remove red eyes with it...
13:56.56Pimpinellamake red eyes possibly ;)
13:57.38Pizbithehe
13:57.49me1hi
13:59.12me1heeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooo
13:59.21Quolhello me1
13:59.47me1biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
14:00.24me1hi
14:00.33me1white hi
14:00.44me1white hi
14:00.51me1hi
14:01.09me1cool
14:01.12Pimpinellame1: flooding the channel is a good way gettin quickly banned
14:01.15me1hi
14:01.16crkoloool
14:01.24crkoPimpinella, do it...
14:01.43Pimpinellano perms ;)
14:01.45Birdieyou need such green ball before your name:)
14:01.53crkoyeah
14:01.54crko:P
14:02.02me1bye
14:02.03crkoi have a large smiley instead
14:02.03crko:P
14:07.05ginalol
14:11.37cristianyone know how to convert .blend to .bzw ?
14:11.49crkomodeltool
14:11.54crkomy.bzflag.org/bb
14:11.59cristik
14:12.26cristii search 'modeltool' on www.google.com
14:12.34crkoyou go :P
14:12.45ginai'd like to cluster the bandwidth of 3 adsl lines
14:12.51ginais that possible?
14:13.07ginaincreasing bzflag players :)
14:13.36cristihmm
14:14.11cristicrko, but .blend to .obj /
14:14.18cristi????
14:14.23crkoi told you on #blender!
14:14.24crko:p
14:14.29cristiok
14:15.22jpa_gina: not now, but if the three adsl lines are connected to one machine, it would be possible with code changes
14:15.30crkono thanks and stuff?
14:15.44jpa_~crko++
14:15.46ginaahh
14:15.55crkojpa_, thanks ;)
14:16.00jpa_(cristi does not ever thank :/
14:16.23crkohehe
14:16.28crkothat's evil...
14:16.35crkoi always say thanks :P
14:17.49crkojpa_, <cristi> the .obj file is empty
14:17.50crko;)
14:17.56crkonice :>
14:18.13jpa_i didn't get modeltool working
14:18.28crkojpa_, how come?
14:18.33crkoit works perfectly ;)
14:18.34jpa_it always complained about some vertex stuff and bzw file didn't have any numbers
14:18.44jpa_what do you use to export .obj?
14:18.52crkoblender :P
14:18.59jpa_in blender, i mean?
14:19.03crkohm
14:19.12crkoi think there's a script (python)
14:19.16jpa_i do not see obj in export-menu
14:19.19jpa_yup
14:19.34jpa_i used some script, and didn't get it working :)
14:19.48crkohmm
14:19.51crkoyou don't
14:19.55crkothe bottom :P
14:20.19jpa_?
14:20.32crkothe second from the boddom to the top
14:20.33crko:P
14:20.41crkoin the export menu
14:20.54crkoFile -> Export -> Wavefront (.obj)
14:20.57crkoi think
14:21.27jpa_ok..
14:22.19jpa_obviously my blender is too old etc
14:22.27jpa_i do not have wavefront in meny
14:23.06jpa_media-gfx/blender-2.34-r1
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14:27.47cristiok jpa_
14:27.58cristijpa_ if you want help, join #blender
14:28.03cristi:)
14:28.43jpa_people like me, so i get help here :)
14:32.30cristi:)
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14:44.45cristihmmmmmmmmmm
14:45.14cristii created a green box in blender and i exported it to .obj... the .obj file is empty
14:45.20cristiwhy it does not work ?
14:45.22cristi?
14:45.39Birdieone "?'' is enough cristi
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14:59.20menotumehey Day-Vid
15:00.15jpa_ok.. got modeltool working.. but some faces seem to be "wrong way around"
15:00.35david_vwhee, meno
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15:22.30ToughShooterHi Kitty
15:23.08HighKarateKittyHi ToughShooter
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15:50.54HighKarateKittyare you still there
15:53.43ToughShooterWho do you mean?
15:54.04Nidhoggrkitty: I'm here now. I just woke up. :)
15:54.15ToughShooterMorning Nid
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16:01.59crkohm
16:02.19crkois there a way to make a building drivethrough on one side but not on the other?
16:04.18jpa_mesh.
16:04.25jpa_while i did not get it working
16:06.14crkohm
16:06.22crkocan you explain a bit?
16:06.29crkoi don't know how exactly?
16:07.02jpa_isn't it your job to find out?
16:07.21crkohm
16:07.28crkoyes it is... but i don't know how
16:07.34crkoall i can do is ask here
16:07.44Pimpinellaface :=
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16:08.10jpa_thx Pimpinella ,)
16:08.27crkohm
16:09.25jpa_Pimpinella: now you should paste link to box replacement bzw
16:09.47Pimpinellacrko: not any possibility of bzw is documented with examples in bzw.5
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16:09.58ChaosRolhey
16:10.04ChaosRolanybody here ?
16:10.07jpa_no
16:10.11crkohm
16:10.13ChaosRoli need help
16:10.17crkostill don't get it..
16:10.27Pimpinellabut in the section below _any_ combination is documented
16:10.44ChaosRoleverytime i try to start a server me get failed unknow error
16:10.46ChaosRol?
16:10.54Pimpinellacrko: you can make faces drivethrough
16:10.58jpa_Pimpinella: paste the link to box replacement, it will help him a bit
16:11.14ChaosRol?????
16:11.23jpa_ChaosRol: are you using windows xp with sp2?
16:11.29crkoyes
16:11.35crkooh...
16:11.40crkoi think i get it
16:11.47Pimpinellahttp://balin.pimpi.org/c_p.bzw
16:11.59ChaosRolyes me do @jpa_
16:12.25ChaosRolis that a problem ?
16:12.33jpa_http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1101389&group_id=3248&atid=103248
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16:12.43jpa_not exactly same symptoms, tough
16:12.54jpa_disabling firewall _could_ help
16:13.01ChaosRolfirewall is of
16:13.06ChaosRoli can connect ot other games
16:13.11ChaosRolwithout any problem
16:13.21jpa_are you starting it from the client?
16:13.22ChaosRolbut start a server by my self does not work
16:13.40ChaosRolme start the game
16:13.42ChaosRolthen start
16:13.44ChaosRolserver
16:13.46ToughShooterChaosRol: Have you added a -d as parameter?
16:13.50ChaosRoland then start server again
16:13.53jpa_it usually broken, start the server from command line
16:14.00ChaosRolhow does it work ?
16:14.06ChaosRoli am very new to this game
16:14.18PimpinellaChanServ: starting a server from bzflag is currently broken
16:14.19ChaosRolis there any help page with the commands
16:14.22jpa_umm.. commandline, dos, start->run->cmd
16:14.23ChaosRolfor the consol
16:15.07crkowhat is a normal?
16:15.41jpa_this is a face ______    this is a normal for that face: ____|____
16:16.01jpa_it is for bounces and lighting
16:16.09jpa_not strictly necessary
16:16.46PimpinellaChaosRol: still searching
16:16.59jpa_Pimpinella: umm.. for what?
16:17.16Pimpinellaa html version of bzfs.6
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16:17.33jpa_yup.. but he does not want that
16:17.46jpa_what he wants is a dos-tutorial
16:17.50Pimpinellajpa_: might be true
16:19.25ToughShooterChaosRol: man pages are online at http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi
16:20.48PimpinellaChaosRol: also there should be a documented sample configuration file that you can edit in a texteditor
16:23.50Pimpinellaor take this http://balin.pimpi.org/bzfs.conf
16:25.09Pimpinellathats it, i'll start a linkpage for server related help stuff
16:26.32menotumepass
16:26.38menotumeewwww, ww
16:27.14Tuponemenotume, have you updated?
16:27.14menotumeno
16:27.16menotumeit's working for me
16:27.27Tuponeso sound is good?
16:27.29menotumeecept sound is a bit funky
16:27.34menotume:)
16:27.46menotumethere is another problem - having to do with graphics
16:27.56menotumedunno how to describe it
16:28.15menotumesometimes, it just gets into a state where the screen is 'jittery'
16:28.25menotumealmost like 2 ghost images
16:28.25Tuponemake a snapshot
16:28.50menotumewill do - dunno if it will show up - it's like the sync is out of sync
16:29.01Tuponewhat SDL version?
16:29.12menotumeone sec ...
16:30.23menotumelibSDL-1.2.so.0.0.5
16:30.43menotumewhe I restart bz client, is ok again
16:31.24menotumesame affect on my Windoze laptop - but there it's all the time
16:31.37TuponeYou know we are at 1.2.8 ? I remember 1.2.7 solve a lot of issue
16:31.40menotumeout-the-window looks 'blurry'
16:31.48menotumewill update :)
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16:36.21crkoem Pimpinella in the example you gave me normals are necessary right?
16:36.45Pimpinelladunno, i didn't try without normals
16:37.03crkoi only don't know how normals are defined...
16:37.22Pimpinellanot that easy ;)
16:37.31crkoand how did you do it?
16:37.45Pimpinellacrko: you don't want to work on that...
16:37.54crkoor. can i ask how did you make the mesh drivethrough?
16:38.24Pimpinellai made both meshes with blender and used modeltool to convert them to bzw
16:38.40Pimpinellayou have face defiitions
16:38.52Pimpinellaadd drivethrough the the face
16:38.54crkoaaa
16:38.54crkoand how come they are drivethrough?
16:38.54crkoand invisible on one side?
16:39.02crkook
16:39.09Pimpinellai never tried myself
16:39.11crkohm
16:39.17crkobut you need normals
16:39.32crkoso i guess i'll just have to use blender
16:39.39Pimpinellai've seen meshes without normals, so probably not
16:39.45crkohm
16:39.49crkoif i use no normals
16:40.05crkounknown mesh face property: verticles
16:40.05crkoC:\ikarus.bzw: warning (line 1134): unknown object parameter "verticles" - skip
16:40.05crkoing
16:40.05crkoC:\ikarus.bzw: warning (line 1136): discarding incomplete object
16:40.05crkodiscarded incomplete mesh face
16:40.07crkoC:\ikarus.bzw: warning (line 1136): unknown object parameter "endface" - skippi
16:40.09crkog
16:40.11crkoetc.
16:40.15crko:P
16:40.43Pimpinelladunno...
16:41.41Pimpinellacan u post the lines in question?
16:42.01crkohm
16:42.05crkolook
16:42.09crkoif i use your example
16:42.13crkoand remove normals
16:42.17crkoit doesn't work
16:42.24crkoso i don't know what is in question
16:42.27crkoall of the faces
16:42.51crko(i went making the mesh by your example
16:43.14Pimpinelladid u remove normals both in faces and above where they are defined?
16:43.20crkohm
16:43.21crkooh
16:43.31Pimpinellaand why did u remove them?
16:43.43crkoto see if they work without them
16:43.58crkobecause i want to make the thing by hand
16:44.23crkohm it works...
16:44.44Pimpinellai'd really use blender for that, it's handier by far
16:44.46crkohmm
16:44.55crkocan i use material in face?
16:45.11Pimpinellasure
16:45.29Pimpinellalook at what i posted before
16:45.48Pimpinellaor, better look into the manpage
16:46.24crkoooooh
16:46.25crkolool
16:46.27crkowhat have i done
16:46.30crkoverticles...
16:46.38crkovertices...
16:46.59Pimpinellayes, you need at least them... ;)
16:47.10crkoyes
16:47.56crkoi typed it wrong
16:47.56crko:P
16:47.56crkothat was the problem
16:47.56crko:>>>
16:50.23Pimpinellahttp://balin.pimpi.org/bzw.5.html
16:51.25Pimpinellacrko: if you hadn't that yet, you have it now ;)
16:51.57Pimpinelladown in that filer there's a complete reference of what can be defined in bzw
16:52.08Pimpinellagtg, later
16:52.33crkook off to blender
16:52.34crko:>
16:52.40crkothanks
16:57.02crkohow are the units in blender defined
16:57.10crko1unit in blender = 1 unit in bzw?
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17:02.16TheRedBaron~seen grumbler
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17:07.14TheRedBaronI guess he doesn't show up here on the weekends.
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17:25.10menotumeTupone: I have upgraded SQL to 1.2.8, the problem still ocurrs. A screen cap doesn't really show it, but I'll modify the screen cap to show what it really looks like
17:28.26Tupones/SQL/SDL/
17:28.56Tuponexorg or XFree?
17:31.24menotumewww.libsdl.org
17:31.39menotumeyes, SDL :)
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17:38.43Tuponemenotume, I think is an X problem. Still I think it something related to xfree/xorg and AGPGART :/
17:38.57menotumeahhh
17:39.19menotumeit's ok when i start, just after some minutes, it get into a 'state'
17:39.50menotumeI wonder how other people (RH 8 for instance) are dealing with it
17:40.36menotumeand stubborn :)
17:41.44menotumeTupone: that could be - I will look into nVidia's 'proprietary AGP driver'
17:41.55Tuponeif you get apt working you can update only some
17:42.12menotumeya - i'll do that on FC3
17:42.52Tuponeyou can also upgrade the 8
17:43.18menotumeactually running 9 here
17:43.40TuponeI see you can upgrade from 6.2 to fc 3
17:43.57menotumeWhy is it ok on 1.10?  Does it have to do with SDL implementation
17:44.01menotume?
17:44.09menotumeahhh - kewl
17:44.36TuponeSee if it work with non SDL build
17:44.37menotumeI'll copy 9 to the other partition, and upgrade
17:44.43menotumeit doesn't
17:44.53Tuponeso is not an SDL things
17:44.58menotumeI get the 'entire desktop blinking' problem
17:45.26menotumeya - i like your AGP theory
17:45.40menotumebut I still wonder why 1.10 is fine
17:46.32jpa_1.10 did not use sdl
17:46.41jpa_you can compile 2.0 without sdl, too
17:46.51jpa_oh
17:46.54menotume_jpa: yes, I am talking about 2.0 without SDL
17:46.57jpa_never mind
17:47.00menotume:)
17:47.04jpa_:)
17:47.15Tuponemenotume, probably a lot of video memory used by new bzflag?
17:47.25menotumeahhh
17:47.40menotumeI'll experiment with lower resolution
17:47.52menotumejust to see
17:48.26menotumethat makes sense, is OK untill it reaches a certain amount of detail in the scene perhpas
17:48.49menotumecurrently running at 1280x960
17:49.39TuponeI wonder if the "AGP video aperture ??" setting in BIOS does relate
17:50.36menotumeahhh, give it more perhaps ?
17:51.15Tuponedunno
17:52.23menotumeokies, I'll play around, and let you know of any findings
17:53.14menotumethx again Tupone
17:54.51Tuponeok. Lemme know
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17:55.33Tuponehttp://www.bzflag.org/wiki/EndShot
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18:18.51amathisACK!
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18:20.35menotumeTupone: http://69.136.111.221/bzfi0003-a.png
18:20.49menotumean altered screencap that looks like what I see
18:21.43Tuponeand the fonts are ok?
18:21.50menotumeyes
18:21.56menotumejust the 'scene'
18:22.00Tuponemmm, seems like a stereo effect
18:22.07menotumeya
18:22.17Tuponesure you have not enabled that?
18:22.21menotumeI get the same thing on my windoze laptop
18:22.29menotumehuh ?
18:22.36Tuponeanysortopic stereo
18:22.47menotumeAre you playing with me?  :)
18:22.48Tupones/sort/sotr/
18:23.03Tuponebzflag is able to render stereo
18:23.07menotumeoh
18:23.10menotumenope
18:23.13TuponeI never seen it, thought
18:23.45menotumeit's like every other frame is slightly shifted
18:24.31menotumeand, the true scren cap doesn't show it - I had to alter it to make it look like what I am seeing
18:25.04Tuponethe kind of stereo is something that you can see with a couple of lens (red/green ?)
18:25.14menotumeright - gotya
18:25.35menotumeno - the colors are fine
18:25.40menotumei know what you mean
18:26.13jpa_Tupone: atleast there is such feature with ati cards
18:26.26TuponeIf the colors are fine could be the other stereo, like with polarized lens
18:26.34Tuponecap should know
18:26.41jpa_Tupone: and it is with flicker-glasses, lcd:s that switch on-off
18:27.08jpa_i think glxinfo|grep -i stereo would show it
18:27.11menotumeyes - that makes sense
18:27.53menotumeno 'stereo' in glxinfo
18:28.24jpa_menotume: if it is stereo, objects further away should shift less than those that are closer to you
18:29.18menotumemaybe it's somekind of 'bug'  with the __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK
18:29.24menotumethat's what I'm thinking
18:29.31menotumeI'll play with that too
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19:02.45SuumCuiquehi hello,  talked with timpmyride. he said he got some shots on teammates caused by graphical failures. Was anyone a victim of him? If so, i would like to excuse him. He's sometimes too impulsive..
19:16.30Pimpinellahe shot on teamies because of graphical failtures?
19:16.38PimpinellaFata morganas?
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19:17.39Pimpinellano possibly a failture in the chair mouse interface?
19:17.46Pimpinella;)
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19:18.28SuumCuiquePer
19:18.44Pimpinellawhich server?
19:18.54SuumCuiqueViper.pimpi
19:19.18shorty114swore ;)
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19:19.32Pimpinellaand he can't tell us himself?
19:20.26Pimpinella;)
19:20.36JBdiGrizPimpinella: It's always "My Friend" around here. Why even encourage the behavior?
19:21.05Pimpinellaneed to have my fun too, no ;)
19:21.15SuumCuiqueWell, he's a youngster, (9 years 'bout ). He talked this circumstances and i think i have to equalize his mistakes by argue bout the reasons
19:21.32Pimpinellahis ban will expire
19:21.42shorty114lol JBdiGriz
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19:23.31PimpinellaJBdiGriz:  i have wife and kids, the requirements at which level you talk of fun become somewhat deep under that circumstances...
19:26.03jpa_that "..." makes it sound threatening :)
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19:26.28SuumCuiqueWell ok. But it's not about the cruel games which the kids get on every place...
19:26.38JBdiGrizj/k about wife and kids? or the rest of the story.
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19:33.44Pimpinellahttp://balin.pimpi.org/miaurune.jpg
19:35.03jpa_the one on the left looks like a doll
19:35.16menotumewhich one is you Pimpi ?
19:35.39SuumCuiqueBye
19:35.45SuumCuiqueHave to go
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19:36.28JBdiGrizMaybe that's why I don't think it's fun. My kids are about the same age as the ones acting like idiots around here.
19:36.46JBdiGrizLuckily, my kids don't act like that, but a lot of their friends do.
19:37.09Pimpinellamenotume: the one in the upper left of the three
19:37.19Pimpinellathey do with me whatever they want
19:37.23Pimpinella;P
19:38.16PimpinellaJBdiGriz: well he explained me in private, i think the situaton was really somewhat different this time
19:38.48JBdiGrizPerhaps, but there are a lot of young teenagers around here who really do need a parent.
19:39.05Pimpinellayeah, this was the parent :)
19:39.20amathisJBdiGriz: are you my mommy?
19:39.23amathiso.o
19:39.28JBdiGrizI've heard that story about 5 times around here as well.
19:39.49amathishaha
19:40.01JBdiGriz:)
19:40.17Pimpinellachecked a little in background, seems to be true this time, but lets end it...
19:40.27JeffM2501why does beer gravitate towards keyboards?
19:40.35menotumebtw, SuumCuique IS a parent :)
19:41.04JBdiGrizI hope we do get more responsible parents around here.
19:41.12menotumehis english is not good though
19:41.22menotume:)
19:41.26amathisI am responsible, yo
19:41.44jpa_i have once had a conversation with mother of one player acting stupid.. she just couldn't understand the difference between "is not allowed to" and "does not"
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19:42.03Pimpinellamenotume: yes, could have talked german with him, but didn't release fast enough that he's german too
19:42.11_Manu_hi!
19:42.20Pimpinellayo _Manu_
19:42.47menotumeHe'stimpmyride's father
19:43.18menotumehowever, I am 46 and still act like 13 myself - so there's no telling
19:44.10Pimpinellahm, always expected u to be like 10 or something...
19:44.15jpa_menotume: act like you when you were 13, or like "average" 13 year old?
19:44.26menotumehmmmm
19:44.31menotumeaverage of both
19:44.31Pimpinella;P
19:44.35menotumelol @ Pimpi
19:45.00menotumeyes, I act like 13 on my mature days
19:45.57jpa_hmm.. is it really 13 Feb 05 already?
19:46.14jpa_i would have bet something like 13 Oct 04
19:46.22jpa_time is going fast :/
19:46.33Pimpinellaweather is like that
19:46.39Pimpinellahere at least
19:46.56jpa_?
19:47.08Pimpinellastormy, rainy...
19:47.23Pimpinellanot cold enough for febuary
19:47.30jpa_true
19:47.35Pimpinella~weather ETNJ
19:47.40jpa_while, we have snow here again
19:48.16Legoguy~weather KUGN
19:49.21Legoguywow, too much info for ibot to display?
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20:09.16Pimpinellatea|tree: ping
20:11.35Legoguywao. 357 packages to update.
20:11.58shorty114!weather 123456
20:12.06shorty114guu's cooler
20:12.21shorty114guu weather 123456
20:12.25shorty114hmm
20:12.48jpa_are you sure 123456 is a real station code? :)
20:12.55jpa_guu weather EFTU
20:12.55shorty114yeah
20:13.00shorty114it's a zip
20:13.05shorty114!weather 98020
20:13.08shorty114oh wai
20:13.09shorty114t
20:13.13shorty114>.<
20:13.19shorty114guu weather 12345
20:13.31Legoguy!weather 60031
20:13.32jpa_guu wake up
20:13.42amathispoor guu, being abused
20:13.45shorty114guu's dead
20:14.16jpa_ibot guu is dead
20:14.17ibot...but guu is already something else...
20:14.23jpa_ibot guu is also dead
20:14.24ibotokay, jpa_
20:14.29jpa_ibot guu
20:14.30ibotguu is probably a cute little girl... *BAFU*, or cool and hip, or way better than me. a bot, or dead
20:15.49shorty114guu is hip and cool, bafffuuuuu
20:18.26Legoguyguu does it by zipcode, ibot by NWS station IDs
20:19.21Legoguyhttp://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml so you can find your station id
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20:26.50shorty114guu weather 12345
20:26.54guushorty114: The current temperature in Schenectady, New York is 30°F (2:51 PM EST on February 13, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 14°F. Pressure: 30.24 in (1024 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 2 out of 12
20:27.03shorty114ibot, guu is not dead
20:27.04ibot...but guu is already something else...
20:27.10shorty114nice one, jpa_
20:27.15shorty114:)
20:28.12jpa_ibot, guu isn't dead
20:28.35jpa_ibot, and you don't understand me :S
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20:42.55JBdiGrizibot forget guu is dead
20:42.55ibotJBdiGriz: i didn't have anything called 'guu is dead' to forget
20:59.30JeffM2501ibot guu
20:59.31ibotwell, guu is a cute little girl... *BAFU*, or cool and hip, or way better than me. a bot, or dead
20:59.31guuNo idea.
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21:18.45wegstarIs there a way to disable the kicking of a player if he/she is too high?
21:19.27wegstar?
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21:26.24DTRemenakwegstar, yes there is
21:27.11DTRemenakone way is to change bzfs.cxx:3634 from "if (!disableHeightChecks)" to "if (false)"
21:27.24DTRemenakanother way is to add a physics driver with vertical velocity to the map
21:31.15JeffM2501caching seems to be the most common problem in 2.0
21:31.27JeffM2501didn't think that many ISPs cached.
21:31.41DTRemenakmore and more
21:32.20JeffM2501more and more the IRC method seems to sound a LOT better :)
21:32.31DTRemenakheh
21:33.00JeffM2501tho man do I have to make a lot of bots
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21:34.24JeffM2501best part is, if you don't have a registered name, one gets picked for you :)
21:34.46DTRemenakso what happens when you run into one of the ISP's who's blocked IRC completely?
21:35.12JeffM2501I'll run on a couple of ports
21:35.17DTRemenakk
21:35.31JeffM2501figured if that dosn't work, then they are locked up too tight to play
21:35.35DTRemenakyeah
21:36.11JeffM2501can easaly have the network listen on port 80 and 81 as well
21:36.15JeffM2501some port would have to work
21:36.20JeffM2501or maybe the AIM port
21:36.30JeffM2501since that's probably open
21:37.42JeffM2501cool thing is, the bots that run the services will back each other up
21:37.59JeffM2501so if one goes down one of it's "mirror buddies" can handle it
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22:20.10wegstarDTRemenak: how?
22:20.31DTRemenakread the two lines after I told you that it was possible :)
22:25.58wegstarok
22:26.00wegstar:)
22:26.44wegstarah...
22:58.46tea|treenn all
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23:14.50wegstaraww.. not again
23:15.13wegstar1663 C:\bzflag\src\bzfs\RecordReplay.cxx [Warning] unused parameter 'mode'
23:15.27wegstarhappened to me when trying to compile bzflag last time...
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23:15.46DTRemenakignore it :)
23:15.51wegstarah
23:16.09wegstarum... how?
23:16.49wegstaroh
23:16.57wegstarhehe.. stupid me.. :)
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23:19.29CIA-5BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/RecordReplay.cxx: fix a warning?
23:20.07JeffM2501brlcad: any mails?
23:23.32wegstarhuh? won't let me go any further... can't ignore it
23:24.34sgk284wegstar, comment out the line and try again:)
23:25.18trepanwegstar:   put  'mode = mode;'  after the #ifdef
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23:25.40sgk284yea trepan's suggestion is better :)
23:25.55trepanit ain't proper, but it'll do
23:26.20wegstarok
23:27.23wegstarworks now.. thx trepan
23:31.38ginaJeffM2501: yes he has mails :)
23:36.00JeffM2501but of the right kind? :)
23:36.23ginaheh
23:36.27ginadunno
23:37.49wegstarahhh.... help! :  [Linker error] undefined reference to `glob_match(std::string const&, std::string const&)'
23:38.53trepanwegstar: add src/common/bzglob.cxx to your project
23:39.00wegstarok...
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23:52.40wegstaroh... ""I'm your friend too, right?"" -old saying
23:54.48JeffM2501full or shuffle?
23:55.33brlcadmini
23:55.47brlcadmm.. free engraving even

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