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00:01.31CIA-1BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/SceneRenderer.cxx: proper specular highlighting for quality levels above "low"
00:02.23trepangot a public server up to demo, makes a noticeable diff
00:11.51CIA-1BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (ListServerConnection.cxx ListServerConnection.h bzfs.cxx): and another one bites the dust
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00:21.07CIA-1BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (ListServerConnection.cxx commands.cxx): remove getTarget in favor of GameKeeper::Player::getPlayerIDByName which does exactly the same thing but is nicer
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00:30.03bryjenit's hard to balance a tank on an egg
00:30.26trepanfreeze it and spin it
00:30.54Aribethpaint a face on it and call it humpty dumpty
00:31.08bryjenoo, easter eggs
00:31.24trepanhehe, not the egg, it's the propa highlights i like  :)
00:31.35Aribetheggseronious
00:31.40trepanthe egg is just plain rotten
00:35.27CIA-1BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/SpawnPosition.cxx: make SpawnPosition use playerData->lastState rather than directly accessing the lastState[] array
00:44.06CIA-1BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CustomWeapon.cxx: remove unused extern
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00:57.55Blue_Eyesbye all nite
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01:09.14CIA-1BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/include/Flag.h: remove last traces of Lag flag
01:12.24trepanDTRemenak: got a "already contains the diffs" on that one  ;)
01:12.32DTRemenakhehe
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01:39.53sgk284~DTRemenak++
01:40.00sgk284for many reasons:)
01:40.16sgk284including fixing my broken code ;)
01:40.23sgk284and getting rid of lag flag
01:40.25sgk284heh
01:40.47sgk284what caused the autoghost to crash?
01:41.55DTRemenakgetPlayerByIndex can return NULL
01:42.02DTRemenakand does fairly frequently
01:44.25sgk284hrmph okay, i'll have to remember that:)
01:48.15Grumblerwonder how long it would take me to read japanese......so i can read whats going on in the bzflag japan site
01:48.16DTRemenakit's a good thing to remember.  caused most of the 2.0.0 stock crashes too
01:50.04sussudiodevc++ piece of crap
01:50.35teatreeaaah
01:50.36teatree3 am ;o)
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02:08.24purple_cowTimRiker: sorry to hear it
02:08.58TimRikerheh. I'm not out the door yet, but I started looking today.
02:09.20TimRikerthough looking also includes other TI positions.
02:09.50TimRikerthe new platform project in our group is going with nucleus instead of linux.
02:10.14Noodlemansuckness
02:10.55brlcadTimRiker: time for an NSF grant to work on BZ full time?
02:11.00sgk284heh
02:12.51TimRikerbrlcad: now that would be sweet.
02:12.59TimRikerunlikely, but sweet.
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02:18.12teatreeTimRiker just interested if you mean with TI , Texas Instruments ?
02:19.50orchidhello teatree JeffM2501 jomojo
02:20.03jomojohi orchid
02:21.10TimRikerteatree: yep. /me is Tim@TI.com at least for today.
02:21.46orchidTimRiker: HP is looking for a CEO
02:22.40brlcadheh
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02:28.13TimRikerdon;t think I have the camera charm that HP is looking for.
02:28.23brlcadhehe
02:28.38JeffM2501hallo
02:28.47JeffM2501brlcad, send the mail? :)
02:28.52brlcadyup
02:29.08JeffM2501yay
02:29.19TimRikeranyone planning to add a SPAWN permission?
02:31.42CIA-1BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/GameKeeper.cxx:
02:31.42CIA-1BZFlag: fix global logins and possibly other functions (oops). Change getPlayerIDByName
02:31.42CIA-1BZFlag: to search all players not just registered ones. Old behavior appeared to be a
02:31.42CIA-1BZFlag: result of old case-sensitive callsigns, but we don't allow callsigns differing
02:31.42CIA-1BZFlag: only by case anymore.
02:37.36sgk284TimRiker, I'm workign on a rejoin perm, guess i could throw in spawn too
02:37.41sgk284that do you want it to do?
02:37.59sgk284isn't not spawning what banning is for?
02:40.09TimRikersgk284: add a SPAWN permission that EVERYONE normally has.
02:40.29DTRemenaksgk284: more like to replace requireIdentify, so you can let only certain groups spawn
02:40.36TimRikerthis would allow removing it from EVERYONE and granting it to VERIFIED to get the current behaviour
02:41.03TimRikeras well as removing it from EVERYONE and assigning it to specific groups to get league servers.
02:41.17sgk284ahh okay
02:41.24blast007I think there was also the example for matches, by allowing only the two teams in the match to spawn
02:41.32TimRikerexactly
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03:05.16MeBigFatGuyhey leenox doodes, what the set password command in bash?
03:05.37sgk284you mean passwd?
03:06.10MeBigFatGuyyup :)
03:06.53MeBigFatGuydanka
03:07.47sgk284sure:)
03:08.21TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: it might be rm -rf / instead.
03:08.40sgk284hehe
03:08.41MeBigFatGuypasswd workd :)
03:08.48MeBigFatGuyi'm not removin anything
03:08.50MeBigFatGuy:)
03:08.52TimRiker=)
03:09.18TimRikerquick all you weendoze doodes, what's the windows password command?
03:09.32sussudiowindows has passwords?
03:09.33MeBigFatGuy*click*
03:09.35sgk284lol
03:11.15sgk284MeBigFatGuy, last time i checked fedora, you could change the password simply by going into preferences under the start menu and then clicking password :)
03:11.44MeBigFatGuythis was a remote server (putty login)
03:11.54MeBigFatGuyyou can bet thar aint no unix on my machine
03:12.02sgk284heh
03:12.18MeBigFatGuyi tried installing debian for a weekend and gave up
03:12.33MeBigFatGuyi don't mind being a unix-meathead
03:12.47sgk284heh try something "easier" (i can see tim glaring at me now) like mandrake, suse, or fedora :)
03:13.09sgk284they've realised that its the 21st century and graphical installers are hip ;)
03:13.12MeBigFatGuys'ok .. somfin about old dogs and new tricks
03:13.18sgk284heh
03:15.47brlcadMeBigFatGuy's poking a unix box?
03:15.52MeBigFatGuyya
03:15.57MeBigFatGuyneed to add a key
03:16.41brlcadMeBigFatGuy: locksmiths are good for that
03:16.56brlcaddunno how a unix box will help you add a key, but okay
03:17.13MeBigFatGuyso i have write access to that server
03:17.49purple_cowMeBigFatGuy: actually, you might try ubuntu. like debian but nicer ;)
03:17.49TimRikerstart with knoppix. no install there, just boot from CD and play.
03:18.03MeBigFatGuyhmm, that sounds possible
03:18.11MeBigFatGuyif i had a spare machine...
03:18.45TimRikerreboot on most any machine works. then reboot again to get back to whatever is really on it.
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03:20.18MeBigFatGuyheh
03:20.21MeBigFatGuycute
03:20.41scanlinenot a Minimac?
03:22.31MeBigFatGuywhat is ~ an alias for?
03:22.39scanlinein unix, a home directory
03:22.44scanlineby default yours
03:22.45purple_cowscanline: remember, call it a minimac and you'll go to hell
03:22.49MeBigFatGuyk
03:22.50scanlineaw :(
03:23.03scanlinegood job pete!
03:23.07MeBigFatGuyand .names are invisible?
03:23.18scanlineMeBigFatGuy: well, hidden
03:23.21scanlinethey don't show up in ls by default
03:23.22MeBigFatGuyye
03:23.29MeBigFatGuy-a?
03:23.34scanlineright
03:23.53MeBigFatGuyhmm they say i should have a .ssh dir
03:23.59MeBigFatGuydo i creat one?
03:24.01brlcadthe magical unhide switch
03:24.01scanlineyeah
03:24.09amathisif you install ssh it should have either .ssh or .ssh2
03:24.21amathisor, the first time you use ssh, it will create it
03:24.21scanlineusually .ssh isn't created automatically though
03:24.24MeBigFatGuymkdir -a .ssh?
03:24.29amathisMeBigFatGuy: no
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03:24.32amathistry just ssh'ing
03:24.41MeBigFatGuy?
03:24.43amathisMeBigFatGuy: ssh somewhere and it will create a .ssh/known_hosts
03:24.55MeBigFatGuythis is on the server's file system
03:25.04brlcadssh localhost :)
03:25.17scanlineor might as well just generate some ssh keys
03:25.22scanlinessh-keygen -t dsa
03:25.37MeBigFatGuyi created the keys on my machine
03:25.39TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: just: ssh localhost
03:25.44MeBigFatGuytrying to put them on the server
03:25.51MeBigFatGuyat least the public
03:25.59TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: nod. ssh localhost   first.
03:26.36amathisMeBigFatGuy: if you actually execute ssh, it will automatically create your .ssh directory
03:26.36amathisfirst time you run it
03:26.36MeBigFatGuyex ssh on the terminal?
03:26.37TimRikerhence the ssh localhost   request
03:26.37TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: yes. type: ssh localhost
03:27.02MeBigFatGuycon to localhost can't be established.. continue connecting?
03:27.15amathisMeBigFatGuy: running sshd?
03:27.18amathis(ssh daemon)
03:27.20MeBigFatGuyputty
03:27.35amathiso.0
03:27.35teatreeorchid hola
03:27.38bryjenmkdir -m 700 .ssh
03:27.58teatreeTimRiker aah my father works at ti
03:28.27TimRikerbryjen: ssh localhost is easier and does the Right Thing.
03:28.35MeBigFatGuyok i got a known_hosts file
03:28.57bryjenTimRiker: easier is relative
03:29.26amathisMeBigFatGuy: you could even ssh bzflag.org (if they run an ssh server) and get your files... even though you couldn't login
03:29.38MeBigFatGuyi'm supposed to put keys ' into your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file'
03:29.40TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: Yepper. that's in a .ssh dir, yes? so copy your identify.pub or id_dsa.pub or id_rsa.pub in there as authorized_keys
03:30.03MeBigFatGuyyes
03:30.38MeBigFatGuyjust copy files to the .ssh dir?
03:30.38TimRikerbryjen: my reason for the ssh localhost is that it will catch servers that want .ssh2 instead.
03:30.38MeBigFatGuyk
03:30.54TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: your pub key yes. in a one line format. putty supports multiple formats iirc
03:31.03MeBigFatGuyso i got to go back in thru ftp-putty
03:31.22MeBigFatGuyor do i just cat somethign?
03:31.24TimRikerknow vi? you could edit a file and paste into putty.
03:31.54MeBigFatGuyhahahahahahahah
03:31.57MeBigFatGuyyou funny
03:32.01TimRikeryeah, echo "ssh-dss AAAA...1Rys= timr@localhost" > authorized_keys  would work.
03:33.12TimRikeryour one line should start with "ssh-dss" or 2 numbers or "ssh-rsa" iirc.
03:33.27MeBigFatGuyhmm the comment says ssh2, did i pick the wrong kind?
03:33.43TimRikernope. either should work.
03:33.56MeBigFatGuystarts AAAA and ends ==
03:34.09TimRikeris it a single line that starts with "ssh-dss " ?
03:34.18MeBigFatGuyno multiple lines
03:34.20MeBigFatGuyno ssh-dss
03:34.27TimRikerthen you have the wrong format.
03:34.37TimRikeropenssh don't like the multiline format.
03:36.10MeBigFatGuyok, now it's one line
03:36.17TimRikerssh-dss format?
03:36.36MeBigFatGuyno headers just starts off 1023 37
03:36.46TimRikerah, that's a ssh1 key. that's fine too.
03:37.17TimRikerso the echo "1023 37 ..." > authorized_keys   should work.
03:37.36MeBigFatGuyat the end it says rsa-key-20050209   is that part of the key?
03:37.45TimRikerthen do a chmod g-w authorized_keys  for good measure.
03:37.58TimRikerthat's just a comment. helpful to leave there.
03:38.39MeBigFatGuyshell seemed to take the echo
03:38.42MeBigFatGuydoing chmod
03:40.38TimRikertry reconnecting with putty first. and you might want to run pagent too.
03:40.49MeBigFatGuypageant is running
03:41.13MeBigFatGuyok, i'll reconnect with putty
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03:42.33MeBigFatGuygak, got a authentication dialog
03:42.37MeBigFatGuythats no good, right?
03:42.52MeBigFatGuynope
03:44.57MeBigFatGuyi cat the authorized_keys and get the key back
03:45.15MeBigFatGuytrying restarting pageant
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03:47.31wegstarwhen I am globally logged in my server...
03:48.03wegstarthis appears in the users database:
03:48.10wegstarNADER
03:48.12wegstarEVERYONE VERIFIED LOCAL.GLOBAL
03:48.25wegstarbut then when I try to go back...
03:48.36wegstarit asks me to identify...
03:48.53wegstarany suggestions?
03:49.24wegstarand if i do.. It says the /identify command ins disabled
03:50.33TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: did you add a passphrase on the key? /me forgets how to load keys in pageant. might happen automagically, don't recall.
03:50.35bryjendo you get a + or @ by your name in the scoreboard?
03:51.02MeBigFatGuyyes i loaded the key in pageant with th e password
03:51.07TimRikerwegstar: do you have a passdb? and are you in it?
03:51.19TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: and now?
03:51.44wegstarno passdb
03:51.54wegstar+ by my name
03:52.33bryjenthe + means you're logged in.  the /identify prompt is a left-over from the old system
03:52.56MeBigFatGuytrying...
03:53.02wegstarah.. but a minus appears
03:53.05MeBigFatGuyget a username/password box
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03:53.33wegstarfirst time i "log in" a + appears
03:53.52wegstarthen when I rejoin it asks me to identify and a "-" appears next to my name
03:53.59Agent86What's the difference between a Corvette and a sack full of dead babies?
03:54.13Agent86I don't have a Corvette in my garage! ;-;
03:54.26creeperz:-O
03:54.28wegstarah
03:54.42creeperzsure, i tell that joke and get banned :-(
03:55.45bryjensomeone told a joke?
03:55.49blast007that was a joke? where's the funny part?  :P
03:58.19MeBigFatGuyooh, i put my private key in putty, and when i try to connect, putty says unable to use key file "xxxx" (SSH1 private key)
03:58.36bryjenperhaps the server only does ssh2
03:58.45MeBigFatGuyok
03:58.48TimRikerbryjen: he connected before.
03:59.08MeBigFatGuyi connected with username/password
03:59.28MeBigFatGuyssh2 rsa or ssh2 dsa?
03:59.31TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: do an ls -ld ~   and see if it's drwxr-xr-x or drwxrwxr-x
03:59.41MeBigFatGuyk
04:00.01MeBigFatGuythe first
04:00.05bryjenif what's that, Tim?
04:00.30MeBigFatGuydrwxr-xr-x
04:00.30TimRikerbryjen: sshd ignores "insecure" autorized_keys files.
04:00.45bryjenyes yes
04:01.12TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: what host is this? one I can poke around on?
04:01.19MeBigFatGuycvs.apache.org
04:01.34TimRikerhmm. nope. no account there.
04:01.50bryjenoh, duh -ld
04:01.58bryjen~fishslap bryjen
04:02.00ibotACTION slaps bryjen up side the head with a wet fish.
04:02.05TimRikerdoes support both ssh1 and ssh2
04:02.57bryjenMeBigFatGuy: either rsa or dsa may work.  but, then again, someone said that about ssh1 or ssh2 ;)
04:03.08bryjenmay should whatever
04:03.08TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: so how many keys do you have in pagent? you sure you have this one in there?
04:03.15MeBigFatGuyyup
04:03.18MeBigFatGuytwo sf, and this
04:05.14wegstarhelp!
04:05.16bryjendoes putty say somewhere whether it connected ssh 1 or 2 ?
04:05.43creeperzsome clients do
04:05.55creeperzwinscp does in the lower left corner
04:05.59creeperznot sure what youre using
04:06.07creeperzoh
04:06.09bryjen~fishslap creeperz
04:06.11ibotACTION slaps creeperz up side the head with a wet fish.
04:06.11creeperzputty
04:06.12creeperz:-)
04:06.25creeperzyeah, i had that coming
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04:06.31wegstar<wegstar>first time i "log in" a + appears
04:06.31creeperzmaybe a lart or too, aswell
04:06.35TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: can't think that we missed anything. you got that key in the file .ssh/authorized_keys as a single line yes?
04:06.47wegstarwegstarthen when I rejoin it asks me to identify and a "-" appears next to my name
04:06.48MeBigFatGuyyes
04:06.49TimRikertry: wc -l .ssh/authorized_keys
04:07.00Sir_Lance-A-Lot~bzfquery camelot.myvnc.com:5154
04:07.10wegstarhelp :(
04:07.20MeBigFatGuyi changed to ssh2 dsa and now it says server refused our key
04:07.57TimRikerwc -l shows a 1 ?
04:08.13TimRikeror perhaps 2 now if you added another key.
04:08.16MeBigFatGuylemme put ssh1 key back in
04:08.17bryjenchanged both the key loaded into pagent and the authorized file?
04:09.08TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: you can have both keys in there. as long as each in on it's own line.
04:09.42TimRikerwegstar: no passdb?
04:09.48wegstarnope
04:10.01MeBigFatGuywc -l says 2 authorized keys
04:10.04TimRikerhmm. did you do a /register or something?
04:10.09wegstarnope
04:10.09MeBigFatGuyno
04:10.30TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: and you believe you have 2 keys in there at the moment?
04:10.37MeBigFatGuyno
04:10.42MeBigFatGuyi cat'ed and only see one
04:10.45blast007if you right click on the title bar of the PuTTY session, and go to Event Log, it should say what SSH version you are using
04:10.56bryjenwegstar: try connecting to bryjen.bzflag.org
04:11.02wegstarif I did it would say " the /register command is disabled" or something like that
04:11.03wegstark
04:11.06TimRikerthen is should show 1 authorized_keys
04:11.12MeBigFatGuyserver version SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.5p1
04:11.36TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: you pasted "authorized keys"  with a space. it should be an _
04:11.55MeBigFatGuyyah, did it right in putty
04:12.28TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: k. I'm worried that your paste into putty added a \n someplace.
04:12.43wegstarthere
04:12.54TimRikeruse up arrow in bash to see the echo line and make sure there is no space in the middle of the long key.
04:13.12TimRikerwegstar: server?
04:13.23wegstarnode.game-server.cc:5154
04:13.53MeBigFatGuyno spaces
04:15.02wegstarsometimes waiting makes it work.. sometimes not :(
04:15.59TimRikerMeBigFatGuy: ls -ld ~ ~/.ssh ~/.ssh/authorized_keys   shows that all of them are not group writeable?
04:16.22TimRikerie: no w in drwxr*xr-x
04:18.25MeBigFatGuyok, now i have 1 key
04:20.50MeBigFatGuyauthorized_keys is -rw-r--r--
04:21.00MeBigFatGuy.ssh dir is drwx-------
04:21.15MeBigFatGuyhome is drwxr-xr-x
04:21.42TimRikerthose all look ok. what about .. for kicks?
04:21.45TimRikerls -ld ..
04:21.49MeBigFatGuyls -ld ..
04:21.55MeBigFatGuyoh.. hehe
04:22.22MeBigFatGuydrwxr-xr-x
04:22.32TimRikerand root root ?
04:22.57MeBigFatGuyroot wheel is drwxr-xr-x
04:23.03MeBigFatGuycd ..
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04:23.15TimRikerroot:wheel is ok too.
04:23.41wegstarstrange.. now I can't connect to my server.
04:23.45TimRikerno idea what to try next. you could paste one of my keys to see if it works for me.
04:24.01TimRikerwegstar: it hung on me. could not msg anymore.
04:24.10MeBigFatGuynow putty says unable to use key file "xxx" (SSH1 private key)
04:24.13blast007did the same thing to me
04:24.21wegstarah
04:26.28wegstarTimRiker: It does recieve some token of some sort... Or does that have nothing to do with this?
04:27.15bryjenhttp://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.56/htmldoc/Chapter10.html#S10.8
04:27.32bryjeni still bet it wants a ssh2 key
04:27.40TimRikerthat's it. it should get a token from each player and then send it to the list server.
04:27.52TimRikerI don't see it sending anything to the list server.
04:27.59wegstaroh...
04:28.12TimRikerwegstar: have you changed the list server default?
04:28.24TimRikerwegstar: you are logging in from that same box, yes?
04:28.29wegstari'll check
04:28.30wegstaryes
04:28.56TimRikerI see your client do a token request, but I don't see the server doing any.
04:30.17wegstarI did not change the list server default...
04:33.57bryjendon't use -publiclist on the server command or in its config
04:35.15wegstaryep.. I don't
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04:39.35jpa_morning
04:43.07TimRikerwegstar: just saw a request.
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04:43.31FunkySurdhi guys, i made a map for the game and want to use it to play on lan with my friends! how do i make it work ?
04:43.33TimRiker&checktokens=nader@67.123.173.228=2081746087
04:43.55TimRikerwegstar: first I've seen since I started watching.
04:44.22sgk284anyone know of any programs for *nix that aide in the generation of complex truth tables?
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04:44.59TimRikerin truth? no.
04:45.05sgk284heh thanks
04:45.13jomojowell all i am stumped my fps has really been poor since i changed to 2.0
04:45.32blast007jomojo: have you tried turning smoothing off?
04:45.33FunkySurdTimRiker: can u help me add the map to bzflag so i can play with it ? plz
04:45.56blast007FunkySurd: add the -world paramater to your bzfs command
04:46.06epdoes the 2.0 client scroll text improperly, or is it just me?
04:46.15trepanFunkySurd: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915
04:46.19wegstaroh
04:46.26jomojoi have tried everything that has been recommended including turning smoothing of to building a client without sdl
04:46.27FunkySurdand then the location of the file ?
04:46.49blast007yeah
04:46.51trepan~bzfs
04:46.52ibotrumour has it, bzfs is the BZflag server, you need: -publicaddr server.name.com:5154 *and* -public " come play here" must be set in your bzfs.conf, *also* open the port (5154 in this case) in your firewall/router *also* see http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer
04:46.53blast007FunkySurd: http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzfs.6s
04:46.59TimRikerwegstar: wierd. do you have a groupdb and a userdb file?
04:47.05wegstaryes
04:47.21TimRikerI have no clue why it's not verifying tokens.
04:47.25jomojoits dramatic change on ducati 1.10 i have 170 fps on 2.0 i can get 70 fps at the most on ducati
04:47.54TimRikerchecktokens=Tim+Riker@h.\xa2  <- that does not look health.
04:47.57sgk284trepan, nice lighting btw
04:48.18wegstarah...
04:48.18blast007jomojo: were you using the alternative high resolution textures in 1.10?
04:48.48jomojoyeah i stole the textures from 1.11 and used those
04:49.03blast007ah, okay...
04:49.12DTRemenakjomojo: what kind of cpu and video do you have?
04:49.15trepansgk284: thx, i have one more addition, then i'll try to make a real map   ;)
04:49.21TimRikerwegstar: dns messed up on that box?
04:49.48jomojoi have a macosx with ati radeon 9200 video card with 32mb of vidram
04:49.54DTRemenakTimRiker: I've seen something similar with what looks like uninitialized memory being dumped to the logs where there should be an IP address (only on windows tho)
04:49.57blast007wegstar: is that server running on Windows?
04:50.02wegstaryes
04:50.43DTRemenakhm, that should be plenty fast for video.  what kind/speed processor is it?  G4?
04:50.59jomojooh G4 800 mhz
04:51.10DTRemenakyeah, that should be plenty fast too
04:51.18TimRikerwegstar: do the logs show the right IPs?
04:51.39jomojoyeah i know it should be fast enough.. tried running this down since i first built 2.0
04:51.41wegstarlogs at...
04:51.57DTRemenakTimRiker: like "Player DTRemenak [0] has joined from ÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÃ
04:51.59DTRemenakŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒÃŒË†Ãª at 2005-02-09 17:50:27 with token "824176495""
04:52.08wegstarthe debug?
04:52.11TimRikerooh. nice and healthy
04:52.18bryjenwegstar: the output in the command prompt window that bzfs runs in
04:52.41jomojoi can't find a good reason why it would not work
04:52.43TimRikerDTRemenak: did you make that up?
04:52.50jomojoand why such a dramatic change
04:52.55brlcadmm.. nice memory dump
04:52.56DTRemenakhm, and the list server comm right after that is "&checktokens=DTRemenak@=824176495" too
04:52.56wegstarthe debug...
04:52.59DTRemenakno IP listed
04:53.05wegstarPlayer Tim Riker [0] sent version string: 2.0.1.20050209-DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL
04:53.07DTRemenakTimRiker: no, that's a copy-'n'-paste :)
04:53.08bryjen!lart DTRemenak's uninitialized memory
04:53.10wegstarthere's more..
04:53.29wegstarPlayer Tim Riker [0] has joined from ╨+ó at 2005-02-09 20:52:59 with token "4847
04:53.38TimRikerDTRemenak: those should show the IP address of whoever joined.
04:53.46blast007I was trying to get a token manually from my browser, and then call the CHECKTOKEN, and I could not get it to work when I had my IP included
04:53.53wegstar25139"
04:53.54DTRemenakTimRiker: yeah, I know they should.  they work fine on my bsd server
04:54.02blast007was giving a TOKBAD message
04:54.10wegstarPlayer [0] accept() from 24.1.104.25:34957 on 1836
04:54.23DTRemenakyeah, wegstar's getting the same memory dump thing
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04:54.43bryjenthe accept() message is OK tho?
04:54.43DTRemenakwegstar: the "has joined from" messages seem to be the most enlightening at the moment :)
04:54.44TimRikersounds like a windows issue then.
04:54.53wegstarah
04:55.36DTRemenakyeah, almost certainly a windows issue
04:55.54DTRemenakI use the same configs on both
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04:56.08wegstarhmm... but where?
04:57.00blast007....need sleep....
04:57.29DTRemenakon the bsd box I get nice messages like "/var/log/servout-noflags: Player DTRemenak [0] has joined from 131.215.170.84 at 2005-02-10 01:29:21 with token "697991899""  which is much better
04:58.44jomojoso any devs have a clue as to why
04:59.03jomojomy fps is so dramatically worse
04:59.07jomojoon 2.0
05:00.23DTRemenakhmm. "Note that the string returned by inet_ntoa() resides in memory which is allocated by the Windows Sockets implementation. The application should not make any assumptions about the way in which the memory is allocated. The data is guaranteed to be valid until the next Windows Sockets API call within the same thread, but no longer."
05:02.19bryjennot that the memory is un-init-ed, but Winsock has taken it back from you
05:02.58TimRikerstd::string             Address::getDotNotation() const
05:02.58TimRiker{        
05:02.58TimRiker<PROTECTED>
05:02.58TimRiker}      
05:02.59trepanjomojo: you could ask brlcad to help you setup a profiling run
05:03.15jomojookay
05:03.36TimRikershould be safe, no? it makes a std::string out of it. where would that live?
05:03.46MeBigFatGuyyup thats good
05:04.05TimRiker'parently not
05:04.35MeBigFatGuywasa problem?
05:04.51TimRikerwin32 is corrputing the return value.
05:04.51DTRemenakI'm testing forcing a string copy there
05:04.55MeBigFatGuywhich constructor to pick got confused?
05:05.15MeBigFatGuythats silly
05:05.44MeBigFatGuyhow bout
05:05.45TimRikerI'd condider killing getDotNotation
05:05.50MeBigFatGuystd::string s;
05:05.57MeBigFatGuys = inet_ntoa(addr[0]);
05:06.01MeBigFatGuyreturn s;
05:06.29TimRikerthat'll give you a reference to the local, no?
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05:15.55DTRemenakI can't get it to give me real output at all.  even such things as   std::string ip = TextUtils::format("%s", inet_ntoa(addr[0]));  don't work right.
05:16.11DTRemenakwonder if addr[0] is even valid.
05:20.44MeBigFatGuythansk again
05:20.56WillWork4Toysnp. nite
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05:30.44sgk284trepan, ping
05:30.48trepanpong
05:31.09sgk284do the blades move along the ground relative to the tank?
05:31.27trepanhuh?
05:31.32trepanhave you been on it?
05:31.34sgk284when my tank moves, it looks like the blades move too
05:31.39sgk284yea i was just on it
05:31.48sgk284looke like 3 blades in the air and 2 on the ground?
05:31.56trepannope, static geometry, just uses a texture matrix
05:32.08sgk284when the tank moves the 2 on the ground move too
05:32.28sgk284is that supposed to happen? :)
05:32.36sgk284cause if so, its neat heh
05:33.56trepanprolly just a visual effect (optical illusion)
05:34.23sgk284trepan, i got it to do it again
05:34.26sgk284come back on:)
05:39.22trepanblade was at 1.0 z, not 0.0    =)
05:39.26sgk284trepan, nice heh
05:39.56sgk284yea but the perspective makes it look different:)
05:40.10sgk284that was pretty neat
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05:57.28jpa_morning
05:57.49Thumper_jpa_: good morning.
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05:58.49jpa_Thumper_: you should be sleeping
06:00.01jomojohey does anyone know about global login and private servers such as match servers?
06:00.13jomojowill that be possible?
06:00.38DTRemenakin order to use global login you currently have to be publicly listed.  it's in the TODO to allow private servers to do global logins; the list server side has already been done
06:02.09jomojoDTRemenak: yeah i  have talked to many of the match servers host for ctf league and they seem to be very discouraged about moving the ctf league to 2.0 until that done
06:05.04jpa_patches welcome
06:07.34orangeI had a patch for bzflag client, dunno if anyone saw it
06:08.23orangesee... patches aren't welcome :-)
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06:09.15jpa_client patches.. a little delay for them
06:09.27jpa_what patch was it?
06:09.33jomojopatches are welcome as long as a dev likes them
06:09.43orangehehe... simple one: http://pastebin.ca/5545
06:09.52jomojobut if not so sad
06:10.05orangeI've been using it ... it makes observer able to cycle through dead and alive players, not just alive
06:10.21orangefor admins, it makes f6/f7 more predictable
06:10.27jpa_hmm..isn't it in 2.0?
06:10.37orangesuper-trivial changes, of course
06:10.38jpa_i thought it worked like that now
06:10.44orangejpa_: not in the one I had
06:10.52orangethis is a patch against 2.0.0
06:11.33jpa_ok..
06:11.52jpa_how did you try to have someone look at it?
06:12.00orangeas I said earlier, though, if the current behavior is the desired one, I don't mind patching my own copy each time.. no biggie
06:12.34orangejust posted it in here... described, gave the url... didn't push it... it's really no biggie, I was just joking around about patches welcome comments :-)
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06:13.23Silver1If I want to run bzfs for x minutes, how do I go about that?
06:13.41jomojoorange quickly makes his point that he is not as big of a pain in the butt as jomojo  9.9
06:13.50jpa_ave you read the manual page?
06:13.54orangelike restart a game after a preset time, Silver1?
06:13.56jpa_or the config file?
06:13.57orangeor shut it down totally?
06:14.40jpa_-g shutdowns, -time sets limit
06:14.43jpa_and RTFM
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06:17.17Thumper_jpa_: yes I should be.
06:17.42jpa_Thumper_: so why are you not?
06:17.56Thumper_jpa_: just *one* more thing to fix...
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06:18.15jpa_which? :)
06:18.32Thumper_jpa_: broke my arch source archive...
06:18.38jpa_:D
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06:19.54Silver1orange, no, I'd like the bzfs process to die (so it'll go onto the next map in the run script)
06:20.01jpa_yes
06:20.03jpa_and RTFM
06:20.14jpa_while i told the answer already
06:20.57Silver1heh... mirc doesn't let you do a /whois on someone in your ignore list.
06:21.53Pimpihm, disconnected, did anybod reply?
06:21.53brlcadSilver1: conenct to it with bzadmin, say a message, and have it identify and provide a shutdown message
06:22.15jpa_brlcad: why, when it can be done with timelimit?
06:22.53Pimpibrlcad: is there a known bug with teleporters that sometimes work and othertime not?
06:22.59purple_cowbrlcad: can you put together a fyre build that i can stick on a usb memory stick? :)
06:23.00Silver1Hm....  -time doesn't say what measurement it is in the man page (minutes, seconds, hours, days?)
06:23.03purple_cow(for osx)
06:23.15jpa_Silver1: seconds
06:23.35brlcadhmm. so many questions
06:23.51Pimpi;)
06:23.56orangebrlcad: hi :-)
06:23.56jpa_so little brlcad
06:24.33Pimpibrlcad: you're out source of inspiration?
06:24.39Pimpibrlcad: you're out source of inspiration!
06:24.40brlcadjpa_: timelimit doesn't shut the server down
06:24.57brlcadPimpi: not that i've heard of
06:25.03brlcadpurple_cow: eventually :)
06:25.24jpa_brlcad: with -g it does
06:25.25brlcadPimpi: never, and never!
06:25.50Pimpi;)
06:26.01Pimpioh
06:26.12Silver1How long a game can I specify?  86400s ok?
06:26.23Pimpibrlcad: mistyped, s/out/our
06:26.39brlcadah, heh
06:26.40Pimpiinteresting typo
06:29.36Pimpiwell, at viper within the tower, there's a teleporter, that works fine on red side (where it is on it's original position) but occasionally not on blue side (which is as a whole spinned by 180 degrees)
06:31.51jpa_is it somehow involved with meshes?
06:31.57jpa_or arcs
06:32.10orangeI see in one place in the source where the timeLimit is cast as a uint16_t... would that imply the limit is 65535?
06:32.21Pimpiit's within a tower, which is an arc
06:33.20Silver1orange, 86400 seems to work correctly.
06:33.48orangeI wonder what this does though:
06:33.49Silver1any way to keep the timer running even if the server is empty?
06:33.51orange<PROTECTED>
06:34.21orangeand if a value > 65535 would mess something up with this
06:34.23jpa_Silver1: well, you could use cron script for always-at-the-same-time reset
06:34.52jpa_bzadmin reset-daemon@myserver.com '/identify mydifficultpassword' '/shutdown'
06:35.28jpa_orange: umm..that is not involved with _this_ timelimit..
06:35.39jpa_orange: it is just the timeout for pings i think
06:36.10orangejpa_: I'm not a c++ person, but it seems to be the same variable
06:36.12orangewhich I thought was odd
06:36.18orangebut it does seem to be
06:36.19Pimpijpa_: do you know of an issue with teleporters and meshes?
06:36.31jpa_Pimpi: yes
06:36.49Pimpidocumented somewhere?
06:36.59jpa_nope
06:37.16jpa_"easy to fix but would make clients behave differently" -trepan
06:37.32Pimpihm
06:37.42jpa_so now you can only use zpos -0.01 etc and make stupid hacks
06:38.11Pimpizpos for the teleporter or the arc?
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06:38.33jpa_the tele
06:38.47trepanit's documented in BUGS
06:38.52Pimpihm
06:39.07Pimpitrepan, jpa_ : ty
06:39.29jpa_~trepan++
06:39.29orangeif I'm right, setting your -time to 65536 would make the pingReply.maxTime be zero
06:39.48orangedunno how that ends up used, but that sounds bad
06:41.02jpa_umm
06:41.19jpa_i do not thing max time is stored in clsettings
06:41.26jpa_i mean, clOptions
06:41.43orange<PROTECTED>
06:41.43orange<PROTECTED>
06:41.55orange(etc.)
06:42.06orangethat's what made me think it was the same variable
06:42.32orangeI don't understand fully why the game time would be used to set a limit on pings
06:42.43Pimpitrepan: not sure ifit's the same though, the sometimes not working tele is on the ground (within an arc), and is linked to one on a box
06:42.56orange(I'm in src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx)
06:42.58jpa_orange: strange..
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06:43.46orangebut in my pathological example, assuming casting a value of 65536 to a uint16_t would result in 0, that seems to be a potential issue... but I'm not even sure that's what would happen :-)
06:43.47trepanPimpi: i'd have to see it, there's also protection for badly placed teles
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06:45.27Pimpitrepan: if you wanna try, viper.pimpi.org:5158, blue side within the tower. you get to there from the tele upon the wall.
06:46.07Pimpione side lets you just drive through, the other should bring you back upon the wall
06:47.33trepanPimpi: remind not to visit that map again...   ;)
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06:47.55trepans/remind/remind me
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06:54.31MeBigFatGuycerberus still up? that one hopefully spawns other beauts.
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07:01.38trepanPimpi: that one's a slightly different problem, somewhat related (tele width mismatch)
07:06.15CIA-1BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: map MTL Ns to OpenGL GL_SHININESS, bump version
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07:16.24SilverfoxPimpi, I reported that.  Something wrong w/the link.
07:18.25Thumper_jpa_: goodnight...
07:21.36jpa_Thumper_away: night
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07:30.07sussudioflying gerbils... it's just not right
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07:52.27SbgodinHi !
07:53.08SbgodinI search on bz site, but not found : where to put the *.png files of a map ?
07:53.22SbgodinI put them in /usr/share/bzflag but I don't see the textures
07:57.42sussudioi'm guessing the data dir
07:57.58Sbgodinserver of client ?
07:58.04sussudioclient
07:59.07SbgodinClient side, I had some *.PNG that I renamed *.png, so it goes fine, now :-o But...
07:59.17SbgodinEach client has to download maps ?
07:59.27SbgodinOopps : s/maps/textures/
08:00.22SbgodinEach client must download the textures ?
08:00.34PizbitOf course.
08:00.49PizbitIf they don't have them, they'll need to download them.
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08:03.02SbgodinIt's not automatic ? They will have to get there on a website ? Really ? No workaround ?
08:05.13PizbitNo idea
08:05.35SbgodinDoh :-( It's not a good way to make friendly maps.
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08:16.12trepanshall we figure out how we want to do downloadable textures?
08:16.57Jaffa~bzfquery jaffa.serveftp.net
08:16.59trepanwill the server have to pull them down first to generate the MD5? do caching based solely on the URL name? allow/force limiting to safe servers? etc...
08:21.12Jaffa~bzfquery jaffa.serveftp.net:79
08:21.28sussudio... that's the first time i see a censored pingtime
08:21.42sussudio[SERVER->] @!#: %!7 +-  3ms
08:22.00trepansussudio: fixed in cvs
08:22.10sussudiomkay
08:28.09DTRemenakdon't'cha wish the server would stop trying to cuss 1337 at you? ;)
08:28.46Pizbitheh
08:29.20Sbgodintrepan: so they won't be a workaround for the textures spreading ?
08:29.28trepanspreading?
08:29.55trepandistribution?
08:30.01Sbgodinyes
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08:30.25trepandunno, the conversation seems to have died before it started
08:30.54SbgodinWhy ?
08:31.04trepancause it was a monologue
08:31.48DTRemenaksorry, I'm working on a CS lab or I'd be more verbose :)
08:31.55sussudioblaireau!
08:32.22SbgodinI just wanted wether there were a way to make play with such maps easiest that now.
08:33.03trepanSbgodin: right now, players that want to use extra textures will have to download and install them themselves
08:33.10trepanno workarounds in bzflag
08:34.46Sbgodinthanks for answers :-)
08:35.47SbgodinI've to go. Bye :-)
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08:43.40Pimpitrepan: why not visiting the map again?
08:44.32Pimpithat ugly? ;)
08:48.58Pimpiit's not my design, i only cleaned it up
08:51.16trepanhehe, it hurts my retinas  :)
08:51.30Pimpihuh?
08:51.59trepans/textual/textural
08:52.18Pimpiit's not finished, but i'm always ofpen for hints ;)
08:52.36Pimpis/ofpen/open
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08:54.49Pimpimoin bomber_
08:54.56bomber_:o)
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08:55.10trepanhm, updated gcc3.4/libc, lost 60% fps
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08:55.55Pimpiremind me not to use apt-get upgrade
08:56.03trepan:)
08:56.04Pimpi;)
09:00.47PizbitHeh
09:00.54Pizbittrepan: Reinstall the drivers?:)
09:02.09Pimpitrepan: in case that you noticed (just before you closed your eyes in pain ;)) that the moving texture on the moot seems to "jump" every 2 or 3 seconds, is there a way to prevent it from jumping?
09:03.12trepanPimpi: yup, there are a couple of ways
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09:03.50trepandunno how it's setup, but you should be able to tweak texsize and the texture matrix to make it move smoothly
09:04.08Pimpii studied your physics map but didn't get a hint
09:04.11trepani also noticed that the moat corners are misaligned
09:04.15Pimpik, i'll try that
09:04.31Pimpithe boxex?
09:04.35trepanusing 45 degree mesh faces would work better
09:04.42Pimpior the moots mesh?
09:04.53trepan(mitered joint)
09:05.05trepanthe one that's red and moving
09:06.11Pimpitrepan: do you have an example?
09:06.34Pimpinot sure what you mean
09:07.36trepanthe red moving texture is the example
09:07.48trepanit isn't joined properly, it doesn't flow around the corners
09:07.53*** join/#bzflag bzd00d (~43b540e1@webchat.bzflag.bz)
09:07.59bzd00dhi
09:08.30trepanthe are also some nasty textural overlaps, they cause flickering
09:08.42trepans/the/there
09:09.42bzd00dhi i'm havin problems starting a server.. =\ Can anyone help?
09:09.57bzd00dwhen i go to start a server, it says it has unknown errors or whatever
09:10.02bzd00di configured the .conf file
09:10.40Pimpiso instead 3 meshes i should use 5 (2 in the corners) and make the textures move around one vertex of it?
09:11.10Pimpii was searching for such a possibility. but didnt find one
09:11.38trepanstill using 3 convex polygons, just angle the corners
09:11.52trepan(and adjust the texture coords appropriately)
09:12.23Pimpihm
09:12.33bzd00doo does creating a server require having a .bat file?
09:13.02Pimpibzd00d: no
09:13.07bzd00d:S
09:13.13trepanbzd00d: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915
09:13.15Pimpiyou can specify anything on the commandline
09:15.17Pimpibzd00d: if you get an error message, tell us what it is exactly
09:15.50Pimpiwow, finally a new tutorial
09:15.52bzd00dfailed. Unknown error...
09:15.59bzd00dthats when i click create server
09:16.16Pimpiyou click where?
09:16.36bzd00dwhen the full screen app launches, i go to join and create server
09:16.42bzd00dthen select the map that i chose to use
09:16.47bzd00dwhich i figured out that
09:16.55DTRemenakbzd00d, that's because it's broken :)
09:16.58bzd00dthen went to start it from that menu
09:17.03bzd00dand, it was like, p00p
09:17.05bzd00dlol
09:17.20DTRemenakwait a little bit and we'll have 2.0.2 out which will fix that among other things
09:17.59bzd00dany future plans to make running a server a bit easier? lol
09:19.22bzd00d:o
09:19.54Pimpibzd00d: read the first lines from page trepan linked you to...
09:20.03bzd00di did
09:20.04bzd00di read it
09:20.23PimpiRunning a public server is not a trivial task
09:23.25bzd00dmm
09:23.26bzd00dhmm*
09:23.31bzd00di can connect to 127.0.0.1 now..
09:23.32bzd00dbut,
09:23.43bzd00dits not really havin the options i set in the conf file
09:23.54bzd00dlike its usin some other default conf somewhere else
09:24.00bzd00dand the map isnt the one i chose
09:24.01bzd00dlol
09:25.30bzd00dany ideas? =\
09:25.33Pimpibzd00d: have you specified -public?
09:25.39bzd00dyea
09:25.44bzd00di went through the whole conf file
09:25.58Pimpiplace -world before -public
09:25.58bzd00dits usin some other map and some other options that are different from what i set
09:26.09bzd00dlike no jumping.. the conf file i configured allows jumping
09:26.15bzd00dand no it doesnt have a # in front of it either :P
09:26.35Pimpistart the server with -d -d
09:26.48Pimpilater trepan_away
09:26.55bzd00dlol nerds :P
09:26.55bzd00dsorry
09:27.00bzd00dyou must play this alot
09:27.04bzd00dor run your own server alot :P
09:27.27bzd00djust a little bit shocked thats all
09:27.39bzd00dgoin to try that out now
09:27.52Pimpishocked o what?
09:28.01Pimpis/o/of
09:28.07bzd00dyou knowin alot
09:28.15bzd00dabout bzflag
09:28.25Pimpii know that i know nothing ;)
09:29.33bzd00dyour just a bzaddict
09:29.34bzd00dlol
09:31.29Pimpii'm kind of a sysadmin guy, and i know something about system administration and running bzflag servers, but if i talk with trepan about 3d stuff and mapmaking, i feel like a little child ;)
09:32.03bzd00dk.. well nothin changed
09:32.08bzd00di did what you said above
09:32.16bzd00dwith -d -d and the -public and -world
09:32.33bzd00dthe server starts, but the conf file isnt usin the world i chose
09:32.35Pimpiyou should have a lot of output somewhere
09:32.37bzd00dits usin some other one
09:33.06Pimpiare you starting bzfs on a console?
09:33.24bzd00dbzfs.exe
09:33.31bzd00di can get into the server..
09:33.34Pimpiand is your path to the map correct?
09:33.43bzd00dits getting it to use my conf file and not some other one is the hard part
09:33.45bzd00d-world "C:\Documents and Settings\ADM1N\My Documents\My BZFlag Files\worlds\sankepass.bzw"
09:34.05bzd00di have it in /data/bzfs.conf
09:35.21bzd00di just wanna know what other conf file its using.. lol
09:35.43Pimpiprobably none
09:35.50bzd00do_O
09:36.05Pimpii it a map with a lot of boxes in the middle?
09:36.13bzd00dyea
09:36.17bzd00dalot of pyramid lookin things
09:36.22bzd00dor w/e
09:37.12Pimpiit's a buildin map used when you defined -world, but the path to the .bzw is broken or the file isn't readable
09:38.21bzd00dmaybe because in the -world "c:\blablabla, it has spaces in My \BZFlag Files\
09:38.23bzd00doops
09:38.29bzd00d\My BZFlag Files\
09:38.35bzd00dmaybe i'd use wildcards?
09:38.58Pimpieither that or escape then
09:39.35bzd00d%21 wildcards?
09:39.35Pimpii'm not sure how to escape blanks in windows, probably with a leading "/"
09:39.56PizbitTry "
09:40.21Pimpihe enclosed it in quotes already
09:40.26bzd00dlike this .. /My%20Documents/My%20BZFlag%20Files/worlds/
09:40.28bzd00dor i can use *
09:40.29bzd00dlol
09:40.32PizbitHeh
09:40.39Pizbitbzd00d: "\ " without the " of course
09:40.58bzd00d\ ?
09:41.04bzd00d\ instead of / you mean?
09:41.13PizbitYeah
09:41.27bzd00dthis is what it already is.. -world "C:\Documents and Settings\ADM1N\My Documents\My BZFlag Files\worlds\sankepass.bzw"
09:41.27PizbitAs a prefix nto a suffix
09:41.31bzd00dlol
09:41.44bzd00dill try * wild cards i guess..
09:41.50Pizbit*shrug* Windows:)
09:41.59bzd00dxp 0wnz you :P
09:42.12Pimpibzd00d: do you start it in a "dosbox"?
09:42.13PizbitEscaping usually happens before the thing to be escaped though in any case
09:42.26Pimpicommandline window?
09:42.36bzd00ddo i start bzfs is a dosbox?
09:42.44Pimpiyeah?
09:42.45Pizbitcmd has tab completion anyway if you're going via that
09:42.50bzd00di launch the bzfs.exe
09:43.17Pimpinot good for debugging ;)
09:43.25Pizbityeah, heh
09:43.45Pimpibzd00d: you know what a dosbox is?
09:44.01bzd00dyes lol
09:44.05Pimpiopen one
09:44.10bzd00dk..
09:44.15PizbitPimpi: 'cept it's not DOS:)
09:44.22Pimpisure
09:44.42bzd00dok
09:45.00Pimpiwhen i used windows (some years ago) we called it like that
09:45.23PizbitPimpi: Hehe, xp doesn't use dos, it has some funky thing instead.
09:45.32bzd00dahh brb
09:45.39bzd00dbathr00m
09:46.50bzd00dk..
09:46.53PimpiPizbit: yeah, the wondows commandline is quite interesting today, most windows users will never get in touch with it
09:46.55bzd00dshould i just upload the conf file?
09:46.56bzd00dlol
09:47.09Pimpino, do this:
09:47.14bzd00d:S
09:47.15Pimpicd C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.0\
09:47.24bzd00din dos?
09:47.39Pimpiyeah
09:47.45bzd00d..
09:47.47bzd00dk..
09:47.50bzd00dlol
09:47.53Pimpi?
09:48.07bzd00di did
09:48.26bzd00di typed bzfs.exe and its showing a blinkin underscore ;P
09:48.46Pimpiwhich means it works...
09:49.04bzd00dyes.. i can start a server but its usin some other conf file or w/e
09:49.05Pimpistop it again
09:49.16bzd00dits using some other map
09:49.23bzd00dand some other default conf
09:49.28Pimpiyeah, you have no patience
09:49.42bzd00d:C
09:49.51Pimpistopped it?
09:49.57bzd00dyea
09:50.27Pimpibzfs.exe -conf "path to your configfile"
09:51.04bzd00din "path" would i include C:\ or just \data\bzfs.conf" ?
09:51.22Pimpifull path including drive
09:51.28Pimpithats failsafe
09:51.32bzd00dk lol
09:52.06bzd00dwant me to add in "?
09:52.22bzd00dnvm
09:52.26Pimpionly if path contains blanks
09:52.42bzd00dok
09:52.44bzd00dit loaded it
09:52.45bzd00dbut
09:53.05bzd00dits saying
09:53.06Pimpibut?
09:53.15bzd00dERROR: a world was not specified.
09:53.31bzd00dthe wildcards
09:53.33bzd00d:C
09:53.34Pimpithen it didn't find your .bzw
09:53.36bzd00d*'s dont seem to work
09:53.38bzd00dlol
09:53.44bzd00dwait, ill take em off
09:54.02Pimpipath with blanks and in quotes again
09:54.09Pimpifor bzw
09:55.32bzd00dooooooo
09:55.35bzd00dhold on
09:56.27bzd00dOMG
09:56.29bzd00dYAY!!!
09:56.30bzd00dlol
09:56.34bzd00dworks
09:56.40bzd00dthanks soooooooo much :D
09:57.39Pimpinow put it in a .bat and lace the icon whereeer you want it to have the "windows feeling" ;)
09:57.52bzd00dlol
09:58.12Pimpilaterz
09:58.40bzd00dwait
09:58.45bzd00dcan you help me make a bt?
09:58.48bzd00d.bat*
09:58.52bzd00dlol
09:59.21bzd00di know how to make a .bat but the code i dont
10:01.22PizbitI think you can just shove the command into a normal text file ending in .bat
10:01.30bzd00dk
10:02.15bzd00dC:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.0>bzfs.exe -conf "C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.0\data\bzfs.conf"
10:02.38bzd00dC:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.0\bzfs.exe -conf "C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.0\data\bzfs.conf"
10:02.39bzd00d?
10:03.24bzd00dis that lll333tt? :D
10:03.42*** join/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c114-p158.vtx.ch)
10:03.43bzd00dim goin to learn alot of bzedit soon
10:03.57bzd00d:D
10:04.13Jaffai put mine in a shortcut
10:04.34bzd00doo
10:04.36bzd00dgood idea
10:04.37bzd00d:P
10:04.40Jaffajust make a shortcut and add - conf sample.conf
10:05.03bzd00di know
10:05.09bzd00dthanks :D forgot about that lol
10:05.28Jaffamind you i can't even get mine on the publi list server
10:05.40*** part/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c114-p158.vtx.ch)
10:06.16bzd00dlooks like i have :D
10:06.26bzd00dgot connections from other ip's
10:06.26*** part/#bzflag Privia (~Privia@h000d93444438.ne.client2.attbi.com)
10:06.46Jaffai blame my isp
10:07.44bzd00doh
10:08.01bzd00dim usin comcast and i cant host http://'s irc's ftp's or mail
10:08.16bzd00dbut i can host counterstrike2d servers
10:08.17bzd00dlol
10:08.23Jaffalol
10:08.33Jaffapeople can join mine but it doesn't show on the list
10:08.41bzd00dbah
10:08.45bzd00di made a shortcut
10:08.46bzd00dand
10:08.50bzd00dit opens, then closes
10:09.10bzd00d:C
10:10.27Jaffathe server right?
10:10.37Jaffayeah i've had that problem
10:10.51bzd00dyep
10:10.59bzd00dsame with .bat file
10:12.22Jaffawhat commands you using
10:14.21bzd00dsrry
10:14.21bzd00duhmm
10:14.31Jaffai had trouble when the bzfs config page made the flag rules
10:14.31bzd00dC:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.0\bzfs.exe -conf "C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.0\data\bzfs.conf"
10:14.48Jaffaif they are in the same directory
10:14.58Jaffayou don't need the filepath
10:15.20bzd00d=\ not worth the trouble i dont think..
10:16.06Jaffathe conf file and the exe i mean
10:16.16bzd00di know
10:16.54Jaffayeah my folder is a bit crowded
10:20.54bzd00dhow do i log into game admin?
10:21.10Jaffapress o and use the arrow keys
10:21.30Pimpibzd00d: simple or advanced?
10:22.04bzd00dhuh?
10:22.11bzd00dit says /identify command disabled lol
10:22.17bzd00dlemme go l00k in conf ;)
10:22.37Pimpisimple would mean, you specify -password in your config file
10:22.48bzd00di already did
10:23.15Pimpithen you have to say "/password yourpassword" in bzflag
10:23.52bzd00dthnx
10:23.57bzd00dgot ppl on my server now :)
10:24.00Jaffacan't you just scroll through the menu with o?
10:24.22Pimpisure he could...
10:24.46Pimpibut unless he's admin most commands will be unavailable
10:25.15Pimpiand anyhow, using the o menu is too time consuming
10:25.15Jaffano i mean to log onto admin
10:25.28Pimpisure, password is in thre too
10:25.31Jaffawhenever i use "/" though nothing happens
10:25.48Jaffayou need to do it in chat or something?
10:26.08Pimpiyeah, like sending a message to public
10:26.26Pimpior any other chat channel
10:26.35Pimpithe server filters it out
10:26.35Jaffathat explains a lot
10:27.08Jaffafor some reason people can get to my server if a tell them the address
10:27.12Pimpithough if the string contains passwords, you have to make sure yo have no leading blank i it
10:27.26Jaffabut it isn't listed on the public server
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10:27.49PimpiJaffa: have you ever started it with  some -d ?
10:28.02Pimpiand looked at te output?
10:28.08bzd00dbz, did you just need help on bzflag?
10:28.34bzd00dsome1 did
10:28.35bzd00d:P
10:28.38bzd00dtold em to come on irc
10:28.58Jaffapimpi: yes but i didn't notice anything much
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10:29.17Jaffasays i am running a public
10:29.21bz4696Hello
10:29.43PimpiJaffa: might be you need up to 3 of them
10:29.44bzd00dbz
10:29.49bzd00ddid you need help on bzflag?
10:29.54bzd00dfrom teng0newbiez?
10:30.18bz4696I need help
10:30.35PimpiJaffa: also your server should be resolvable to whatever you gave as -publicaddr
10:31.29Jaffaaaah
10:31.32Jaffathere is the problem
10:31.44Pimpior if you don't specify -publicaddr try to give just the ip:port
10:31.50Jaffathe ip i gave it is different to the one it is finding
10:32.03Jaffamust be my proxy server
10:32.09Pimpithats it
10:32.26Jaffaanyway i can override it? so it just uses the one i tell it
10:33.03Pimpisay -publicaddr "1.2.3.4:5154"
10:33.19Pimpireplacing ip of course
10:33.29Jaffai used a dns address
10:33.37bz4696210.157.223.111
10:33.41Pimpiand port if you configured other than default
10:34.11bz4696210.157.223.111:5154 please someone test connect my server
10:34.12Pimpidns is ok if it resolves to your ip
10:34.19Jaffait does
10:34.39Jaffabut the problem is that sometimes sites get the wrong IP address
10:35.01Pimpiso try out ip, it's failsafe
10:35.14Jaffak thanks
10:36.01bzd00dOMFG
10:36.06bzd00dim getting spammed in cmd
10:36.08bzd00duread() discard packet! 67.181.64.225:3507 choices p(l) h:p
10:37.21Pimpibz4696: can't connect
10:37.34bzd00doo it stopped
10:37.46bz4696thank you
10:37.51bzd00dafter about 40 error messages
10:37.57bzd00drepeated ones
10:37.59Pimpiremove the -d -d from your config
10:38.17Jaffanow i don't get the error anymore
10:38.23Jaffabut it still doesn't show
10:38.50Pimpibz4696: it means the packets were too old and discarded therefore
10:38.55bzd00dahh.. i need an awesome vb app server control client that auto configs the conf file :C
10:38.59bzd00dthis is like irc.. lol
10:39.11bzd00dsettin up an irc
10:39.47bz4696I check my router config (PORT)
10:40.38PimpiJaffa: whats the address?
10:41.09bzd00danother question, how do i edit flags? :)
10:41.19Pimpiedit?
10:41.24bzd00di seen somebody edit the driving in air flag
10:41.40bzd00don some amusement park map
10:41.45bzd00dbasically let me fly around
10:41.56Pimpiyou mean put it in there?
10:42.07bzd00dno i mean to edit it
10:42.13bzd00dthe settings of the flasg
10:42.17bzd00dflasg*
10:42.19bzd00d'lol
10:42.22bzd00dflag*
10:42.51bzd00dknow how to edit the settings for a flag? :S
10:42.55Pimpiallowed swingup times?
10:43.00bzd00dlike the wingjumpvelocity of it
10:43.47bzd00d=\
10:44.18bzd00dwouldnt i use maybe bzedit?
10:44.31bzd00dpybzedit*
10:46.23Pimpiback
10:46.51bzd00dlol
10:46.56Pimpitype /set un bzflag to get a huge variety of possible settings
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10:48.41Pimpi<PROTECTED>
10:49.16bzd00duhh
10:49.22bzd00di typed /set un bzflag
10:49.23Pimpi"/set _tankSpeed 150" makes your tanks pretty fast for example
10:49.29bzd00dit said it would notice it to me or whatever
10:49.31bzd00dnothin happened
10:49.37Pimpino ;)
10:49.44Pimpionly "/set"
10:49.54Pimpito get the list
10:50.46Jaffasorry just got back
10:50.59Jaffathe address is jaffa.serveftp.net:5154
10:50.59bzd00doo
10:51.01bzd00dnice
10:51.09bzd00dthnx pimpi
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10:51.46Pimpiset _wingsGravity -9.800000
10:51.47Pimpiset _wingsJumpVelocity 19.000000
10:51.47Pimpiset _wingsSlideTime 0.000000
10:51.47Pimpiset _worldSize 800.000000
10:52.10Jaffawell that was interesting
10:52.12Pimpiis probaably what you want
10:52.47Pimpiand set _wingsJumpCount 2.000000
10:53.02Pimpinot world size though
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10:53.09bzd00dol
10:53.10bzd00dlol*
10:53.16bzd00di set jump velocity to 80
10:53.18bzd00d:D
10:55.32bzd00d-admsg "Poewy pingy pongy pongy poong poewy pingy ping ping ping!!"
10:55.34bzd00dlol
10:56.49Pimpibzd00d: if you like flying, try "/set _gravity 1"
10:57.05Pizbithehe
10:59.30Pimpi<PROTECTED>
11:00.37bzd00di before you said that, i tried 5
11:00.44bzd00di went too high up lol
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11:00.50bzd00dhad to rejoin :C
11:01.05Pimpiand once on a heigth of 5000  "/set _gravity -100" brings you down even faster...
11:01.06bzd00doo
11:01.10bzd00dit crashed it actually
11:01.12bzd00dmy client
11:01.12bzd00dlol
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11:02.18Jaffaaaarggh i give up
11:02.26Jaffai will just keep my server private
11:02.39Silencedy?
11:03.44PimpiJaffa: does your isp have a webproxy between you and the listervr?
11:04.03Jaffayeah i've been looking through their stuff
11:04.07bzd00dahh
11:04.16bzd00dwhen i play now, i float up
11:04.25bzd00dthen it acts weird
11:04.28Pimpiconnection to the listserver is via port 80
11:04.37bzd00ddo i do /set _gravity 9 ?
11:04.53Pimpibzd00d: -9.8 is default
11:05.00bzd00dooh lol
11:05.03bzd00di did 9
11:05.04bzd00d:P
11:05.20Jaffaok so what do i do with that
11:05.50Jaffathat's one of the ports hat nortons is monitoring
11:05.53Jaffahmm
11:06.56PimpiJaffa: dunno, but if the ip the listserver request has differs from the serveradress it won't get listed either
11:07.12Jaffait has stopped giving that error
11:07.24Pimpiwhich error?
11:07.41Jaffathe IP differs to the publicaddr given
11:07.49bzd00duh oh
11:08.01bzd00dit says right click to start... nothin happens
11:08.02bzd00d:S
11:08.41Pimpibzd00d: just restart, values will be restored to default than
11:08.46bzd00dPlayer tang0newbiez [0] removed at 2005-02-10 03:07:57: Write error EAGAIN
11:08.50Pimpis/than/then
11:08.50bzd00doh
11:09.39*** part/#bzflag Silenced (Silenced@217.164.193.39)
11:10.56PimpiJaffa: yeah, but that error doesn't cover the case, that you advertise a server from on ip and give publicaddr for another to the listserver
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11:11.47cristi2hi all
11:11.58Pimpihey, cristis bro? ;)
11:12.10Jaffaaaah k pimpi
11:12.20cristi2no
11:12.25cristi2i was banned
11:12.28Pimpij/k
11:12.29cristi2:)
11:12.34cristi2i changed my nick
11:12.41cristi2but now he unbanned me
11:12.42Pimpithen it's no good idea to be here
11:12.46cristi2I must change my nick
11:12.48Pimpik tnen
11:13.02cristihaha
11:13.30cristiPimpi: youre creating the maps with python scripts ?
11:14.00Pimpigetting banned is one thing, but bypassing a ban makes ops really angry
11:14.15cristiPimpi: youre creating the maps with python scripts ?
11:14.29cristi~karma Pimpi
11:14.29ibotpimpi has karma of 1
11:14.35cristi~karma cristi
11:14.35ibotcristi has karma of -3
11:14.41cristilol
11:14.52Pimpicristi: never used anything but a texteditor to create maps
11:14.59cristik
11:15.08cristianyone create maps with python
11:15.08cristi?
11:15.20Pimpiand it's no good idea to repeat msg, we read it before
11:15.21cristi~karma ibot
11:15.21ibotibot has karma of 10
11:15.25cristilol
11:15.52cristiok
11:21.39Pizbitcristi--
11:21.58bzd00dgod
11:22.00bzd00dim getting bad lag
11:22.04bzd00d2second lag
11:22.11bzd00dwhile running off localhost
11:22.13bzd00d:S
11:22.41PizbitDamn
11:22.46PizbitThat's like. Absurd.
11:24.20bzd00dlol
11:24.22bzd00dyyep
11:26.47cristiwho is using python scripts ?
11:27.50cods...
11:27.58cristik
11:28.05cristicods, let's talk private
11:28.10codsNO
11:28.14codsI don't want to talk to you anymore.
11:28.24codsyou're too stupid and young.
11:29.21codsyou're just annoying.
11:29.56cods(ignoring you from now)
11:31.13Jaffa~karma jaffa
11:31.13ibotjaffa has neutral karma
11:31.19Jaffayay
11:31.27Jaffai am a balanced being
11:33.35Pimpiready for nirvana?
11:33.57bzd00do
11:34.01bzd00doo*
11:34.04bzd00dniravana = l33t
11:34.10bzd00di have  9 albums of nirvana on this comp
11:34.12bzd00dlol
11:34.37Pimpididn't mean _that_ nirvana...
11:34.42bzd00doh
11:34.44bzd00dlol
11:35.03Pimpididn't even know that they had 9 albums...
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11:49.51bzd00d:S
11:49.55bzd00dpimp you there?
11:50.00bzd00dpimpi*
11:50.04Pimpihere
11:50.20bzd00dy0.. uhmm...... how come on my map flags only last for lke 4 seconds?
11:50.25bzd00dwell my wings one does
11:50.32bzd00di use it a few times and it says it dropped
11:50.43bzd00di go to look for it and its nowhere to be found
11:50.53bzd00ddoes it have a certain used time on it?
11:51.04jpa_you are pressing spacebar accidentally? :)
11:51.19Jaffalol
11:51.22bzd00dno lol
11:51.32jpa_(been there done that)
11:51.37bzd00di had the wing count on 9999999 or so
11:51.41bzd00dbut i held it down
11:51.47bzd00dand it drops after a couple seconds
11:51.54Jaffayou didn't limit the shots did you?
11:51.58Jaffamaybe its just a bug
11:52.08bzd00dshots?
11:52.08Pimpibzd00d: no, unless you configured it to drop after some shots it should last
11:52.12bzd00ddriving in air doesnt shoot
11:52.24bzd00dwell you can shoot while usin it
11:52.31bzd00d=\
11:52.32Pimpiuntil you drop it yourself
11:52.44bzd00di think it does that for my other flags too
11:52.49Pimpimiddle mouse button also drps flag
11:52.51bzd00dit drops automatically..
11:52.58bzd00dit drops automatically
11:53.11bzd00dit doesnt do that on the amusement park map
11:53.17bzd00dhosted by some1 else
11:53.20Pimpilemme c, adress?
11:53.45bzd00d67.181.64.255
11:54.11bzd00dits in the public list
11:54.16Pimpi255 is no good address...
11:54.38bzd00di have  f WG{50} set also
11:54.43Pimpigiven to you by your isp?
11:54.52bzd00dyea
11:54.59bzd00dcomcast
11:55.01bzd00dcable
11:55.23Pimpii ever knew comcast is braindead...
11:55.27Pimpinvm
11:56.07bzd00di'd switch back to sbc dsl yahoo expert package..... but they somehow got some billing error bs.. wanted 200 bucks to reactivate it.
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11:57.00bzd00dpimpi it said you joined but got off.. :S
11:57.10Pimpican't spawn
11:57.22Pimpiare you blocking udp?
11:57.33Jaffaat least your isp lets you get on the public list
11:57.52Jaffainstead of using all this proxy crap
11:58.10bzd00d#-noudp
11:58.15bzd00dim not blockin udp..
11:59.36bzd00dafter pressin tab so many times though it drops the dam flag :C
11:59.40bzd00di wanted unlim flight lol
12:00.39Pimpihowever, i can't spawn
12:00.46bzd00d:S
12:00.50bzd00dwhats it say?
12:01.30Pimpiserver unexpectedly disconnected
12:01.50Pimpiafter trying to say aomething
12:01.56bzd00d:S
12:02.42bzd00dPlayer Pimpinella [1] removed at 2005-02-10 04:00:38: Write error EAGAIN
12:02.54bzd00dill restart server
12:06.25Pimpidone?
12:07.39bzd00dworks now wtf
12:08.27bzd00doo
12:08.30bzd00di think i found a bug
12:08.35Pimpistill can't spawn though
12:08.38bzd00dif you hold down tab and left click
12:08.44bzd00dit crashes the client
12:08.47bzd00dfor me anyways lol
12:09.06bzd00dthat sucks..
12:09.10bzd00dworked for like 2 other people
12:09.13bzd00da bit ago
12:09.22bzd00dmaybe im getting 2second lag off localhost
12:09.29bzd00dnow im*
12:09.37bzd00dwell ive been gettin that
12:09.41bzd00dbut it still sucks :C
12:09.49Pimpifrom localhost?????
12:09.51bzd00dmaybe your timing out?
12:09.57bzd00dyea from localhost
12:10.24Pimpisomething is badly wrong then
12:11.44Pimpi2ms would be ok
12:12.00bzd00dlol i know
12:12.15bzd00dwell its not just off my server.. my server is worse then others though
12:12.25bzd00dbut others its slow when i download the maps when im starting a new one
12:12.35bzd00dfrom somebody elses server
12:12.47bzd00dit'll take like a few seconds to download a 40kb map or whatever..
12:12.59bzd00d=\
12:13.43bzd00dPlayer zaphod [0] removed at 2005-02-10 04:12:53: Write error EAGAIN
12:13.46Pimpianyway, no packages pass you NIC, everything is within your boxes virtual network
12:13.51bzd00d=\ others are gettin screwed up now also
12:14.04bzd00dit might just be a slow client...... =\
12:14.06bzd00dor server
12:14.10bzd00dprobably server actually
12:14.16bzd00dcuz its screwin up for others also
12:14.24bzd00di'm opening the server from cmd..
12:14.38bzd00dC:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.0\bzfs.exe -conf "C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.0\data\bzfs.conf"
12:20.37bzd00dOMFG
12:21.02bzd00dit says my lag on the game is 8.6seconds bad now
12:21.05bzd00doff localhost
12:21.07Pimpiu saw him F?
12:21.16bzd00di know its that bad cuz it takes a while to get a flag
12:21.22bzd00ddid i see who?
12:21.36Pimpiu said OMFG
12:22.06bzd00dlol
12:22.13bzd00di meant oh my freaking gosh
12:22.15bzd00d:P
12:23.08Pimpilunch
12:23.12Jaffawhat your lag is 8600?
12:23.16bzd00dwait
12:23.19bzd00dToo much UDP traffic, will hope to catch up later
12:23.23bzd00dsaid that in cmd
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12:24.11bzd00d=\
12:24.28bzd00dalot of people tried joining recently.. and this is a good map
12:24.53Jaffawhat is your server's name?
12:25.04bzd00dits in the ip list
12:25.08bzd00dSORTHY'Z Server
12:25.16bzd00dits an ip server name
12:25.20bzd00din public list
12:26.46bzd00dPlayer Jaffa [0] removed at 2005-02-10 04:27:01: Write error EAGAIN
12:26.49bzd00d=\
12:27.05bzd00dPlayer Jaffa [0] has joined from `%u2640ñ at 2005-02-10 04:27:01 with token ""
12:27.25bzd00di can host cs2d servers just fine with alot of people.. =\ dont know whats wrong with this one
12:30.22bzd00di think it's the maximum threshold for udp traffic is set too low somehow
12:32.28bzd00d-lagdrop 5
12:32.45bzd00d-d -d
12:33.59bzd00ddon't know if those 2 would be causing why
12:34.04bzd00dits doin that
12:42.42bzd00doo i know
12:42.42bzd00dmaybe i should switch port
12:42.42bzd00dports*
12:42.42bzd00dmaybe i should use the cs2d port lol
12:47.12bzd00djaffa you there?
12:51.42bzd00di think my server is workin.. it's not laggin for me now
12:54.59Jaffacoo
12:54.59Jaffai will join
12:55.00Jaffawith a lag of 700
12:57.20bzd00dam
12:57.22bzd00ddam*
12:57.27bzd00dyour joined?
12:57.37bzd00dPlayer Jaffa [1] removed at 2005-02-10 04:56:04: Write error EAGAIN
12:58.00Jaffaits prob me though
12:58.13Jaffai lag heaps when i try to connect to european or US servers
12:58.32bzd00doh
12:58.34bzd00dg2g
12:58.37Jaffacya
12:58.40bzd00dc ya
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13:30.29bz0196~bzfquery 62.21.44.114:5126
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13:31.01bz0196hi there
13:31.07bz0196i'm a newbie
13:31.19bz0196and can someone tell me how can i add some bots to my serv?
13:32.03bz0196hey !
13:32.26Pimpikinda quite here at the moment
13:32.39bz0196plz help me
13:32.44bz0196how can i add some bots ?
13:32.46Pimpistart bzflag with -solo 5 to add 5 bots
13:32.50Jaffayeah you chuck -solo # of bots you want
13:33.01Jaffaput it on a shortcut or sumthin
13:33.11bz0196can i add them in the game ?
13:33.18Jaffaask pimpi
13:33.50Pimpii'm not experienced with bots ;)
13:33.54bz0196Pimpi can i add some bots whe i play with someone ?
13:33.56Jaffa~bzfquery 62.21.44.114
13:33.57bz0196oh :/
13:34.04Pimpibz0196: what operating system?
13:34.11bz0196win
13:34.16bz0196i can also use lin :D
13:34.30JaffaBurn him!!!
13:34.35bz0196~bzfquery 62.21.44.114:5156
13:34.56creeperz~bzfquery 127.0.0.1
13:35.05Pimpiso you got your answer, you have to find a solution to start bzflag with the option "-solo 5"
13:35.08Jaffa~bzfquery jaffa.serveftp.net
13:35.24Pimpior any other number for desired number of bots
13:36.03Jaffa~karma bz0196
13:36.03ibotbz0196 has neutral karma
13:36.05bz0196ok :D
13:36.16Pimpion lin use commandline, on windows you can use also commandline or shortcut (i now nothing about how to do that, ask jaffa)...
13:36.26bz0196XD
13:36.33Jaffai feel special
13:37.38bz0196hey Pimpi
13:37.46bz0196i want to run bzfs with some bots :D
13:38.28Jaffa~karma pimpi
13:38.29ibotpimpi has karma of 1
13:39.46Jaffazdebel: make a shortcut to bzflag and add -solo 10 after the target line
13:39.56zdebelJaffa
13:39.59Jaffathen bots will follow wherever you go
13:40.00zdebeli run a server
13:40.09zdebeland i wan't some bots on it
13:40.14zdebelnot in client :D
13:40.18Jaffaok from bzfs?
13:40.21zdebelyes
13:40.32Jaffathen try making a shortcut to that and adding solo
13:40.44zdebelit doesn't support that parameter
13:40.51zdebelsolo is only for client
13:41.07Jaffaok but if you join your own server
13:41.10Jaffafrom the client
13:41.20Jaffausing the solo shortcut they should follow you
13:41.24zdebelhmmm ok i'll check it :D
13:41.24Jaffaonto the server
13:41.32Jaffai've played a friend with bots before
13:41.59zdebelTHX MAN :D
13:42.01zdebelit works :D
13:42.15zdebelok c ya
13:42.18zdebeland big thx :D
13:46.39Jaffa~bzfquery jaffa.serveftp.net
13:48.17Jaffa~karma jaffa
13:48.17ibotjaffa has neutral karma
13:48.26Jaffathanks
13:48.30Jaffawonderful
13:48.33Jaffagreat
13:48.35Jaffafantastic
13:48.39Jaffa~karma jaffa
13:48.39ibotjaffa has neutral karma
13:48.58Jaffa~karma legoguy
13:48.58ibotlegoguy has karma of 5
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14:08.38amathisJaffa: stargate fan?
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14:11.36Jaffai was once . . .
14:11.46Jaffawhy?
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14:13.42cristihi!
14:13.48cristiI am on mIRC now
14:13.50cristi:)
14:14.06Jaffaso am i!
14:14.19cristi~bzfquery 82.137.26.35
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14:14.28cristihahaha
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14:17.30cristiconnect to #bzleague
14:17.32cristi:)
14:17.57cristihi thumper
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14:18.37cristire Pizbit
14:19.06Thumper_hi
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14:55.34jpa_~jeffm2501++
14:55.45jpa_finally got that pointer-stuff working :)
14:56.04jpa_(and now i have it working just like it worked before i modified it... :P
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15:00.19CIA-1BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx commands.cxx): cleanup and fix /countdown
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15:10.59RedBaron2hi SC
15:13.27jpa_cods: ping!
15:13.44codspong
15:14.07codsjpa_: yep ?
15:14.07TheRedBaronbang!
15:14.27jpa_cods: link to your flag-donotcrashsoevilly patch?
15:15.11codsbig url.. pasting in private
15:15.15jpa_ok
15:16.28CIA-1BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: broadcastMessage() needs 2 leading bytes
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15:50.33menotume~brlcad++  thanks
15:50.43menotume~learner++  
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16:00.14CIA-1BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: remove unused extern
16:02.12CIA-1BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: use tm instead of getCurrent() (minor optimization)
16:11.07TheRedBaronI'd just like to thank the dev, who thought of the incremental radar zoom for 2.0
16:12.23brlcadThat'd be Mr. Chestal
16:12.59TheRedBaronokies.  I'll send him a valentine :D
16:13.16RedBaron2lol
16:16.36TheRedBaronok so maybe its not such a good idea to send him one. :)
16:26.26orangekarma always makes a nice gift
16:26.36jpa_mew bzfs $ ./bzfs +f wg{50} -world ~/test.bzw
16:26.36jpa_Segmentation fault
16:26.51jpa_how is this different that what i had yesterday? :)
16:27.13brlcadjust a curiosity, but try +f MG{50}
16:27.22brlcadotherwise, something in your test.bzw
16:27.26jpa_brlcad: no, just my buggy code
16:27.38jpa_trying to add maxflags support to zones
16:29.35TheRedBaronorange: good Idea!
16:29.40TheRedBaron~chestal++
16:29.46TheRedBaron~karma Chestal
16:29.46ibotchestal has karma of 9
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16:31.01jpa_brlcad: can you explain (shortly) what do & and * mean in pointers?
16:32.32orchidhttp://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pcp3/chapter/ch13.html#33656
16:33.19trepan_awayorchid: nice link
16:33.20orchidTheRedBaron: what incrimental radar?
16:33.49orchidtrepan_away: some dude showed me it so's he wouldnt have to explain  it to me
16:33.51TheRedBaronOrchid: 4 zooms in incrementally, and 5 zooms out.  by default
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16:35.07jpa_hmph.. they are just like what i've been thinking they are.. * makes pointer and & gets pointer to something..
16:35.15jpa_they just do not work as they should :P
16:35.32TheRedBaronorchid: you may not have that if you still had 1.10.* config file on the computer when you installed 2.0
16:35.38orchidhmm
16:36.04TheRedBaronorchid: i had to remove 1.10 config so 2.0 would make its own default config, and i tailored it then.
16:36.12orchidok
16:36.21orchidmaybe I have to do that
16:37.04TheRedBaronbecause the devs were thoughtful, and had any new install copy over your old config into whatever new install you were doing
16:37.33TheRedBaronthat way you aren't customizing bzflag everytime you install it. (thanks devs!)
16:37.58TheRedBaronbut with 2.0 some new features came out, so that kinda messes up the 2.0 config when it tries to copy the 1.10 over...
16:38.27trepanya, the key bindings tend to go whacky during the conversion
16:39.34TheRedBaronif you still want 2.0 and 1.10.* just install 2.0 first, then install 1.10
16:39.37bomber_hell where is ducati
16:39.41bomber_?
16:40.03TheRedBaronbomber_, what version? 2.0 or 1.10?
16:40.07bomber_2.0
16:41.24TheRedBaronhmm let me check.
16:41.44RedBaron2isn't the port 51956?
16:41.53jpa_no-one needs ducati :)
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16:42.04bomber_yep
16:42.10bomber_thats the port
16:42.34bryjenChestal has been working on bzfs.  maybe it's down for a minute
16:43.01menotumebyyyye orchid
16:43.40TheRedBaronyep looks like its down...
16:43.58bomber_ok iam on old one
16:44.10TheRedBaroncan i recommend ctf.rklubi.ee:59156?
16:44.33TheRedBaronnot quite ducati zetup, but a very nice server...
16:45.21menotumenick no-one
16:45.27no-oneheh
16:47.40TheRedBaron!seen menotume
16:47.41guuTheRedBaron: menotume was last seen here 2 minutes and 19 seconds ago saying: <menotume> nick no-one
16:47.46TheRedBaron:)
16:49.20TheRedBaronlol
16:49.38RedBaron2lol
16:49.54jpa_!hug no-one
16:49.54guujpa_: Huwwwwat!!?!?!
16:49.59jpa_~hug no-one
16:50.02ibotACTION hugs no-one
16:50.13no-onethanks :)
16:50.36jpa_hmmh.. those pointers drive me mad
16:50.52TheRedBaronguu doesn't like hugging...
16:50.52guuTheRedBaron: what are you smoking, and did you bring enough for everyone?
16:51.06TheRedBaronthat and she hates me...
16:51.12jpa_i got them working, but there is this strange wrapper in worldinfo, and i don't believe i need three * :S
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16:53.36stevekhello
16:54.17TheRedBaron~seen no-one?
16:54.19ibotno-one <~meno@menotume.active.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 4m 6s ago, saying: 'thanks :)'.
16:54.22RedBaron2hi
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17:01.10orchid|awayhmm, cvs up just hangs
17:01.22orchid|awayhi menotume
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17:15.28Noodle-senseiJaffa: don't come into #noodlebot with a nick like that
17:15.37Noodle-senseitoo many gaties, you will be mobbed
17:15.44jpa_hello TimRiker
17:16.18Jaffawhy noodle?
17:17.02Jaffai don't know is Jaffa the name of a Satrgate character or something
17:17.09Jaffastargate?
17:17.45JeffM2501it is a race of hosts
17:17.48Noodle-senseijaffa is a species
17:17.52JeffM2501with snakes in there bellies
17:17.57Noodle-sensei:-P
17:18.04Noodle-senseithat's one way to put it :-P
17:19.14Jaffaaaaah
17:20.35Jaffai just thought it was a kind of orange
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17:23.51Noodle-senseihahaha, that's pretty funny :-)
17:24.01Noodle-senseii'll have to check out jaffa oranges :-)
17:24.39amathishahaha
17:24.40amathis:)
17:24.49amathisJaffa: that is why I asked if you were a stargate fan :P
17:26.35menotume~seen tupone
17:26.42ibottupone <Tupone@84.222.139.176> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 20h 7m 48s ago, saying: 'ok'.
17:27.00Jaffa*sigh
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17:31.26JeffM2501good lord could the mapies learn any slower?
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17:31.40TheRedBaronJeffM2501: probally
17:31.48TheRedBaronif anything could get worse
17:31.53TheRedBaronit probally will
17:31.57JeffM2501if they did it would be at a geological pace
17:32.01TheRedBaron(murphy's law)
17:32.12amathisJeffM2501: mapies?
17:32.15JeffM2501"hmmm I don't think that textures are sent by the server to the client"
17:32.20JeffM2501map makers
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17:32.54holidayhi?
17:33.00amathishi!
17:33.00JeffM2501hi
17:33.06menotumewhat's up Doc ?
17:33.10holidayhehe
17:33.11TheRedBaronJeff,  I downloaded ET (enemy territory) last night and noticed a nice feature about it...
17:33.12holidaynah meno's here
17:33.24JeffM2501TheRedBaron, the fact that it's a real game?
17:33.27holidaysomone i kno o_O i just tried to use irc...
17:33.29TheRedBaronif you try to join a server and you don't have the map it downloads it for you.
17:33.35JeffM2501sure
17:33.38JeffM2501bzflag sends the map
17:33.43JeffM2501everyone sends the map
17:33.47TheRedBaronyea
17:33.48JeffM2501it's the texture data
17:33.51JeffM2501that is the big thing
17:33.56TheRedBaronbut can it be possible to do the same withe the texture data
17:33.58JeffM2501maps are small
17:34.02JeffM2501sure
17:34.06JeffM2501there are security issues tho
17:34.14JeffM2501like what if I pack my server with porn
17:34.17TheRedBaronalso, you don't download the map from the server, that would eat bandwith
17:34.17JeffM2501and make em textures
17:34.18holidaybtw: why is ducati down?
17:34.22JeffM2501now I'm sending porn to kids
17:34.30JeffM2501yeah it will eat bandwith
17:34.35JeffM2501this are reasons we haven't done it yet
17:34.41TheRedBaronJeffM2501: i always knew there was something strange about you ;)
17:34.43JeffM2501since there are problems to solv
17:34.54JeffM2501heh\
17:35.10holiday:/
17:35.12JeffM2501the last idea was for a content management server that the server  would point the client to
17:35.33JeffM2501that way there coudl be trusted and untrusted CMSs
17:35.52JeffM2501so known server could say use a fast web host as a file dump, for approved textures
17:35.54TheRedBaronwell IIRC ET uses a "central database" for the maps...
17:36.08JeffM2501then if a client dosn't have an item, it goes to the CMS for it
17:36.17JeffM2501yeah it's a similar thing
17:36.20TheRedBaronyea
17:36.22JeffM2501bzflag does random maps
17:36.28TheRedBaronexactly...
17:36.34JeffM2501so the map part has to come from the game server
17:36.42JeffM2501but the textures can come from other places
17:36.53TheRedBaronwell random maps are not that popular thses days..
17:37.01TheRedBaronexcept for the ctf league.
17:37.03jpa_but, python maps are :)
17:37.08blast007:)
17:37.23TheRedBaronjpa_, true :)
17:37.54JeffM2501the game still does it
17:37.59JeffM2501so the system has to support it
17:38.06JeffM2501unless your sugesting removing them
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17:38.24TheRedBaronJeffM2501: slow down, i'm getting brain overload.... :)
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17:38.30JeffM2501read faster
17:38.44TheRedBaroni read fast, but the CPU need upgrading
17:38.47JeffM2501this version has the new texture manager, so now it can take textures on the fly.
17:39.08TheRedBaronnew version of bzflag? 2.0? 2.0.2?
17:39.54JeffM2501yes
17:40.07TheRedBaronOk.  I'm back on track now...
17:40.27jpa_argh.. why do we have these wrappers in worldinfo for entryzones.. and why do they break my code http://www.pastebin.com/240178
17:40.30JeffM2501now that the groundwork is done, some system can be designed and put on top
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17:40.47JeffM2501wrapers are good
17:40.59JeffM2501they let the underlying code change and the calling code stay the same.
17:41.32TheRedBarondang the time goes by too quick I've got a meeting i need to get to
17:41.38TheRedBaronI'll bbl
17:41.40jpa_ok.. then, why does that code not work? getting undefined zones :(
17:42.03JeffM2501well in your case your passing in a pointer to a zone pointer, where the API wants a float pointer
17:42.08JeffM2501they Are NOT the same
17:42.21JeffM2501well what does getzonewant?
17:42.36codsjpa_: 'if' followed by return {true|false} look very weird.. Just return the truth value !
17:42.37jpa_umm
17:42.49jpa_cods: but the original code was like that
17:42.50JeffM2501cods that's fine
17:42.58JeffM2501that's basicly just the "else" case
17:43.01jpa_cods: it looks strange, yes
17:43.08JeffM2501since he returns in the if, no need for the else
17:43.13JeffM2501that' very common
17:43.16JeffM2501it's fine
17:43.22codsJeffM2501: no, you don't understand what I said..
17:43.40jpa_JeffM2501: entryzones getZone wants CustomZone **
17:44.13jpa_JeffM2501: and no, api (?) does not want float, getzonepoint is not getzone
17:44.20JeffM2501you are right
17:44.31codsI mean "if (test) { return true; } return false;" -> "return bool( test );"
17:45.07cods(or without bool() if test is already bool)
17:45.24JeffM2501ohh
17:45.28JeffM2501yeah you can do it that way
17:45.43JeffM2501if it's a complex test it can get wiers
17:46.05codsthen: "bool result = test; return result;".. that's a detail.
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17:48.56jpa_but, i still do not understand why this does not work..
17:49.27jpa_but, c++ is too difficult for me :(
17:49.41JeffM2501step thru with a debuger
17:49.46JeffM2501that is what they are for
17:49.49JeffM2501find out what it's doing
17:50.30jpa_you told that yesterday
17:50.45JeffM2501and it still holds true :)
17:50.46jpa_and tried doing it
17:50.51jpa_just like python better :P
17:51.26JeffM2501then work on pybzflag :)
17:51.29ToughShooterjpa_: python has no pointers, only references, IIRC
17:51.48JeffM2501and liking python isn't going to make your C++ debug itself
17:51.54ToughShooterjpa_: Is that right?
17:52.11codsToughShooter: everything is reference, yes.
17:52.15codsmore or less like Java.
17:52.29JeffM2501so there are never any invalid references are there?
17:52.39codsin Python that's impossible.
17:52.55JeffM2501that' what messed jpa_ up yesteday, pointers can return NULL
17:53.08JeffM2501jpa_, is your zone handle valid?
17:53.34jpa_obviously not valid at the end.. but valid at some point i think
17:53.40jpa_should try to step
17:54.02JeffM2501well it's passed in, it shoudl be valid for the entire thing
17:54.17jpa_but maybe i will just dump that stuff, wait bzmap 2.0 and satisfy my coding-needs there
17:54.30JeffM2501steping allways tells you want is happening
17:54.33JeffM2501no guessing
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18:00.52menotume!opengl
18:00.53guumenotume: NO this one goes here, THAT one goes there!
18:01.05menotume~opengl
18:01.07ibot[opengl] some stupid GFXs library that WiseGuy58 wishes would go under OPIE.
18:03.01bryjen~opie
18:03.03ibotextra, extra, read all about it, opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation or respect, API http://handhelds.org/~zecke/apidocs/, or a nose-hair trimming device invented by Steve Ballmer in his high-school days
18:06.47amathispurple_cow: ping.
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18:18.55bomber_where is ducati 2.0
18:18.58bomber_n:o(
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18:20.38Chikoritai dunt c it either
18:20.48Chikorita=/
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18:23.48Chikoritatherez still old ducati ...buh no1 iz playin
18:24.20Chikoritaany1 want a free iTune?
18:25.01bomber_ok iam playing
18:25.50Chikoritabz message mee if u want da code .
18:26.26Chikorita;P
18:44.04jpa_~dict transgression
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18:50.44brlcadaua .. chikorita
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18:57.51JeffM2501an mail brlcad?
18:57.54JeffM2501:)
18:59.04orangeI have a non-urgent question about the server code... jpa has seen it, but I'm still confused on how it might impact servers... in bzfs.cxx is this: pingReply.maxTime = (uint16_t)clOptions->timeLimit;
18:59.21orangewhich as best as I can tell, sets the pingReply maxTime to the game time limit
18:59.30orangeI'm not sure why it does that, but it seems to.
18:59.37JeffM2501probalby just a default
18:59.40orangewhat concerns me is that it casts it to a uint16_t
18:59.47orangewhich, if I'm right, limits it to 65535
18:59.52jpa_but why..
18:59.54JeffM2501yeah
19:00.02JeffM2501probalby jus cus that's what it is
19:00.03JeffM2501a short
19:00.03orangeso if someone sets their gametime to 65536, then the maxTime for the pingReply goes to 0
19:00.12orangethe timeLimit is a float
19:00.14JeffM2501that's a lot of seconds
19:00.15orangeelsewhere
19:00.17jpa_there is no reason why anyone would like pingreply maxtime to be the game timelimit
19:00.31JeffM2501like I say it's probalby just a default
19:00.34orangeJeffM2501: I happen to know silverfox just set up a server with rotating map and a timelimit of 86400, 1 day
19:00.34JeffM2501cus it has to be set to something
19:00.35jpa_but why
19:00.50JeffM2501jpa_, cus data has to be inited to something
19:00.55jpa_why not 2s or something resonable default
19:01.01jpa_why game timelimit :D
19:01.06orangein the case that someone did happen to set it to 65536 or so, wouldn't that make the maxTime 0?
19:01.12orangeand bugger something up?
19:01.13JeffM2501any value could be bad for any given network
19:01.23JeffM2501the max game time is the longest any packet can be valid for
19:01.26orangeyeah, but it seems 0 would be bad for all networks
19:01.30JeffM2501so it realy is the max time in a real word
19:01.37JeffM2501yeah, it's a bug, it shoudl be cehcked
19:01.50JeffM2501it should be clamped
19:01.52orangeshould I file it?  if so, how?
19:01.53JeffM2501or set to some sane default
19:01.55JeffM2501like 60
19:02.00JeffM2501fix it :)
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19:02.15orangeoh, man, I'm struggling just to even know that I was close to right when I saw it :-)
19:02.17JeffM2501is it set anywhere else?
19:02.34orangeJeffM2501: I don't think so
19:03.04JeffM2501is it even used?
19:03.08orangebesides, there may be a reason for it that I don't understand... I'd set it to 60 if it were me
19:03.13orangeI believe it is used
19:03.48orangebut I would not swear to it... it gets packed into a messagebuffer at some point
19:03.54orangewhere it goes from there I don't really understand
19:05.41JeffM2501yeah it gets packed into a gameinfo
19:06.07orangefrom there it goes through the network to some other part of the code :-)
19:06.32JeffM2501yeah it'll be piced up by somone else who gets the message
19:06.34JeffM2501looking now
19:07.30JeffM2501ha, noone sends one
19:07.36JeffM2501it's sent to the list server and the bot
19:07.55orangeso it's irrelevant, then
19:07.56JeffM2501so that number dosn't mater if it's 0
19:07.57JeffM2501yeah
19:08.08orangeOK, cool
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19:44.01sgk284hrmm seems like the first cheats for 2.0 are around
19:44.20sgk284a guy on secretplace has been coming around with a client that lets him turn any flag into wings :/
19:45.11jpa_so now we are getting trouble
19:52.55bryjenjust some changes like "if (flag = Wings)" to "if (true)"
20:05.10Legoguyhas anyone made a vim highlighter for BZW files?
20:06.20orchidgood idea
20:06.24jpa_i made a kate one
20:06.29jpa_while it sucks..
20:06.35jpa_i mean my highlight
20:06.38jpa_not kate :S
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20:08.18jpa_hello cods
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20:17.05brlcadwoo.. Mac OS X 10.3.8
20:37.32brlcadLegoguy: emacs major mode while you're at it? :)
20:43.36Legoguyhaha
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20:55.15Blue_Eyeshi all guys
21:00.21sgk284hey blue eyes
21:00.30sgk284whats up?
21:00.50Blue_Eyesfine thx
21:01.06Blue_Eyessry but my english is terrible :)
21:02.06sgk284heh thats fine, i cant think of a single person i know with good english ;)
21:02.46Blue_Eyeshehe for me it's better if talk me in italian
21:02.55Blue_Eyesbut......
21:03.40sgk284~x en it I don't speak italian, sorry :)
21:03.54Blue_Eyeshehe grande
21:03.59sgk284:)
21:04.32sgk284your name looks familiar, did you used to play on secretplace.us ?
21:05.11Blue_Eyesno worries sgk284 i think of understand what you say me :-))
21:05.29JeffM2501frog blast the vent core!
21:05.57sgk284jeff always chimes in with the best comments... heh
21:07.39sgk284JeffM2501, you a halo fan?
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21:12.05TheRedBaronhowdy, can some one direct me to the complaint department? :)
21:13.27sgk284/dev/null
21:13.45JeffM2501I have played the game a time or a hundred
21:14.07JeffM2501but that's not from halo
21:14.39sgk284whats it from?
21:14.44JeffM2501that what came before
21:20.12TheRedBaronquestion here: when did the "handicap" originate?
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21:21.35Grumblerhandicap....oh yeah.....handicap, only in use on servers where it is enabled
21:22.04TheRedBarongrumbler: yea but when did this "handicap" come in, or start?
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21:22.08TheRedBaroni've never seen it before...
21:22.14Grumblerthis version
21:23.06TheRedBaronok
21:23.40TheRedBaronAs an Admin i almost banned some one for what i thought was "cheating"
21:23.51TheRedBaronhigher speed, faster shots, with no flag.
21:24.10Grumblerso its enabled on your server
21:24.13TheRedBaronuntil some one told me it was this new thing called "handicap"
21:24.23TheRedBarongrumbler: i don't have a server, but its on a server i admin.
21:24.36TheRedBaronHepcat.
21:25.41TheRedBaronthose at the bottom of the score list get blessed with higher tank speed, faster shots, quicker turning...
21:25.51TheRedBaronkinda like wealthfare
21:26.12Grumblerits discrimination
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21:26.52TheRedBaronexactly
21:27.09TheRedBaronand a durn pain in the neck when it comes to spotting out cheaters
21:27.33menotumeTupone: ping
21:27.33JeffM2501it's like bowling
21:27.43Tuponepong
21:27.51menotumehehe, may I PM ?
21:28.00Tuponewell, now yes
21:28.18TheRedBaronjeffM2501: you mean like gutter guards?
21:28.27JeffM2501and handicaps
21:28.35JeffM2501but yes like gutter guards
21:28.44JeffM2501better system woudl be to reset the score every 30 min
21:28.54JeffM2501or when a max score is it
21:28.59Nidhoggrhas there been any headway to prevent the WG/2nd flag cheat?
21:29.00JeffM2501and declare a ( winner)
21:29.16Grumblera better system would adjust the score/kill....not adjust speed/shots
21:29.31JeffM2501noone cares of score
21:29.48JeffM2501score is tied direclty to kills
21:29.53Grumblerexactly, so the impact is negible
21:29.56JeffM2501adusting that gets wierd
21:30.02JeffM2501just don't turn it on
21:30.10TheRedBaronexactly
21:30.17TheRedBaronI"m gonna abstain from servers that run it
21:30.25TheRedBaronbut why even implant it?
21:30.34TheRedBaronwhy make it a possibility?
21:30.53Grumblerits the liberals amongst us
21:31.17Grumbleri say shoot all and let god sort'em out
21:32.02TheRedBaronno oyou shouldn't grumbler
21:32.08TheRedBaronthose are a blessing from God.
21:32.34Grumbleri try not to let religion into my eating habits
21:33.21TheRedBaronlmao
21:33.47orangehandicap could have a place.. the point is to make it less frustrating for newbies and more challenging for good players
21:34.01orangebut... I'd like to see some way to identify (as an admin) which players have been blessed with handicap
21:34.21orangeto eliminate TheRedBaron's concern about how to properly admin a server and look for cheats, because it does make it harder
21:34.48orangeI banned two players at hepcat before I knew it was turned on... a couple weeks ago
21:34.56Grumblerisnt there a handicap score list buried somewhere int he data
21:35.01TheRedBaronorange: same here,  I was ready to do the same thing.
21:35.14Grumbleradd an admin feature to list the handicaps
21:35.16orangethey've been unbanned, but that doesn't make them feel better about getting killed a lot and then getting banned for it :-)
21:35.23orangeGrumbler: yes, that would be sweet
21:35.26TheRedBaronbecause the weird thing was, that this "handicap" could come and go
21:35.35TheRedBaronhe didn't always have the fast shots, or higher speed
21:35.47orangehe was oscillating around the handicap threshold
21:35.48TheRedBaronit would come and go
21:35.48Grumblermaybe add it to the score list
21:35.56TheRedBaronAnd I'll admit, he was pretty low on the list...
21:36.12orangeGrumbler: could that be done for just admins?
21:36.30orangeheck, if we can add stuff to the score for just admins, adding the IP right there would be most excellent
21:36.42Grumblerprobably, but it would be good for all to know that they didnt die by a cheater, just a handicapper
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21:37.05orangeI can see both sides of that one, but yeah, it'd probably be fine for all to see
21:37.10Grumblerorange, there used to be a patch that did that......for one of the older versions
21:37.14orangeI'm thinking of the stigma, but they already have a low score :-)
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21:37.34orangeGrumbler: cool... though the addition of announcing IP's as they join is quite good enough
21:37.46orange(the one that is already in stock 2.0)
21:38.09Grumblerfyi, i am an idea man lately......you will have to bribe one of the real admins for action
21:38.22Grumblererr, admins/devs
21:38.29orangeGrumbler: heh... I'm pretty much an idea man myself
21:38.34Grumbleri hear DTRemenak will work for food/women/song
21:38.37orangeI don't code that well
21:38.39TheRedBaronorange: it does annouce ip when y ou join...
21:38.46orangeTheRedBaron: yes, it rocks
21:38.54TheRedBaronyep
21:38.59orangeI'm saying that's really good enough, and I'm happy
21:39.04TheRedBaronthat way you can get rejoiners and tkers...
21:39.10orangeand drive-by racists
21:39.20TheRedBaronOrange: ok my bad, i thought you were asking for that feature.. :)
21:39.24orangejoin, insult, leave
21:39.32orangenow you can add "ban" to that list :-)
21:39.42Nidhoggrgrrr. have to reboot my laptop because of OS update.
21:40.16Grumblerit glares at me everytime i log onto sf
21:40.22orangeGrumbler: that would be cool... as would server side kill command, or forced pause (I've been down this road before :-)
21:40.30NidhoggrI want server side silences, too.
21:40.33Nidhoggr:)
21:40.48Grumbleri think a lot of issues could be solved if people couldnt chat
21:41.02Nidhoggrif CERTAIN people couldn't chat. :)
21:41.05orangeforced pause would, imho, be possibly the most effective admin tool out there, IF your goal is to help players learn good behavior
21:41.05blast007orange: hehe, I played around with a /kill command back in 1.7   ;)
21:41.28orangeblast007: I think that would be very helpful too, at helping players play more fairly, within the rules, etc.
21:41.35GrumblerNidhoggr, the dragon is nearly done
21:41.52TheRedBarongrumbler: you're jsut not trying hard enough.  You gotta hound after them, esp if they mess with your radar ;)
21:42.01orangeso many newbies join, blast away without caring who they're killing... no malice, just ignorance... and they don't bother to look at the chat window, so you have no way to communicate with them
21:42.10Nidhoggryay
21:42.10orangeforced pause, or even kill, would make them start looking
21:42.24JeffM2501well that's how most other FPS games work
21:42.30JeffM2501how can you blame them
21:42.42orangeJeffM2501: exactly... I would rather teach than kick/ban
21:42.42TheRedBaronor have admin messages flashed in bold letter in their HUD.
21:42.50JeffM2501the game has no tutorial
21:42.58JeffM2501the inteface dosnt' show what your suposed to do
21:43.01blast007make their whole screen flash red when they TK  ;)
21:43.09JeffM2501the game called FREE for all. isn't
21:43.13orangewhen I've gotten through to people, they're usually very sorry, and shape up
21:43.16bryjenperhaps a large image to replace the HUD with that goes along with the TK sound
21:43.18JeffM2501show a hud marker on what to kill next.
21:43.30JeffM2501turn of team kills on n00b servers
21:43.51JeffM2501make them play 10 games on a tutorial server before they can unlock the "real" servers
21:44.24orangeJeffM2501: with global registration that last idea could be done
21:44.30JeffM2501yes it could
21:44.45blast007sorta like how AAO has their training  :)
21:44.50JeffM2501the fact that you have teams in a game mode entiled Free for All is what boggles me
21:44.57bryjenmost servers don't have a discreet game.  you don't ever "win". it just keeps going.
21:44.58JeffM2501all games have built in tutorials now
21:45.08JeffM2501no they don't
21:45.13JeffM2501most servers are just frag fest
21:45.18JeffM2501why even make em have teams then
21:45.23TheRedBaronlol
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21:45.52orangeall-rogue servers
21:46.00JeffM2501reset the game every 30 min, the team that won the last round spawns in the new round with a set of good flags.
21:46.09JeffM2501all rouge is lame, then you can't tell who is who
21:46.18orangeyeah, but it can be done today
21:46.20bryjenJeffM2501: but you don't _care_
21:46.24bryjenwho is who
21:46.26JeffM2501make it all rouge game, but let the color just be used for expression
21:46.35JeffM2501bryjen, yes you do, for hunting
21:46.42JeffM2501for tracking down that bastage that got you.
21:46.52orangethe u key works well for that :-)
21:46.53JeffM2501for establishing an identity
21:47.02bryjenthey're all bastages. kill 'em all ;)
21:47.02JeffM2501it's  not visual or intutive
21:47.12JeffM2501yes they are, but some are more bastage then the last
21:47.29JeffM2501and in a world with custom skins, forcing everyone to be black just makes the "Graphics" look worse
21:47.44JeffM2501it's just what I think is expected
21:47.50TheRedBaroneh?
21:47.52JeffM2501all other games with FFA are deathmatch
21:48.01JeffM2501color is just a skin for expression
21:48.06JeffM2501and everyone goes to town
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21:48.10TheRedBaronyea, but this is what seperates bzflag from the rest of FPS
21:48.19JeffM2501no I think the pace is what seperates that
21:48.26JeffM2501not the fact that everyone is black :)
21:48.30TheRedBaronthat too...
21:48.35bryjenyeah, all rogue is a is a waste of 16-some-odd-million colors ;)
21:48.41JeffM2501yeah
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21:48.56orangeonly problem is if you set it up so that ffa games don't honor color, it makes people joining ctf games more likely to tk
21:48.56JeffM2501it's just the current "comunity" is stuck in what it perceves is "right"
21:49.11TheRedBaronorange: my sentiment
21:49.13JeffM2501orange, that means the game interface isn't good engouh
21:49.25JeffM2501make the hud green when you are facing a freiend
21:49.27menotume~Tupone++
21:49.28JeffM2501put a marker on them
21:49.29TheRedBaronJeffM2501: if you ask me,  bzflag has picked up alot more "flash in the Pan" players...
21:49.40orangethere isn't a better interface (imho) than color for designating team
21:49.43JeffM2501bzflag is picking up real FPS gameser now
21:49.59TheRedBaronthose who are trying it out, find it unlike the generic FPS games, so they clamor for all these mods
21:49.59JeffM2501so they are going to act like real FPS gamers and have those expections
21:50.04TheRedBaronLet time weed them out
21:50.07TimRikerwatch out for those gamesers
21:50.20JeffM2501TheRedBaron, so your of the "it's our keep it for us" camp?
21:50.21amathisTheRedBaron: weed who out? the future of the game?
21:50.24JeffM2501no growth that way.
21:50.29TheRedBaronNow this is biased, but i say if anything, tailor Bzflag to League playing
21:50.33JeffM2501yeah you want it to stagnate?
21:50.47TheRedBaronLeague players will be the ones who stick around longest
21:50.49JeffM2501why not let it have many modes, and have a good interface
21:50.54JeffM2501look at the other FPS games
21:50.59bryjenuhm, no
21:51.04TheRedBaronI"m not looking to stagnate bzflag
21:51.07JeffM2501they hav 100's of mods and they teach and change with no problem
21:51.13TimRikergrow grow grow! teach those gamesers to write code. ;-)
21:51.14JeffM2501TheRedBaron, then you need new fresh players
21:51.27JeffM2501well that's the TimRiker school of gaming
21:51.29TheRedBaronbryjen is special :)
21:51.29Grumblerditto that bryjen thing
21:51.32JeffM2501sadly not the rest of the world :)
21:51.45JeffM2501they can't even make a mesh let alone code
21:51.58TimRikerhehe. true. sad, but true.
21:52.01TheRedBaronBut is seems like you want to take bzflag to face paced generic FPS games otu there.
21:52.24Grumbler~fishslap JeffM2501
21:52.26ibotACTION slaps JeffM2501 up side the head with a wet fish.
21:52.26JeffM2501TimRiker, sadly if the game is going to grow, your going to have to talor to the fact that most people don't read, and are kinda dumb :(
21:52.44amathis*himself.
21:52.53TheRedBaronYou speaking from experience Jeff, admining the the forum? ;)
21:53.04JeffM2501and playing other games
21:53.09orangehmm, there's nothing wrong with being a little different
21:53.10TimRikerbzflag 3.0 for the MTV generation.
21:53.19JeffM2501and working for a company that tried to market an online tank game :)
21:53.34orangeI pretty much only play bzflag
21:53.47orangethe other ones don't appeal to me
21:53.48amathisI don't play many games.
21:53.50amathisthey frustrate me
21:53.51TheRedBaronbut mostly bzflag.
21:53.54JeffM2501most of the vocal bz compunity has little experience with comercial games.
21:53.55amathisseeming how I am not any good at any
21:54.11Nidhoggr:)
21:54.17JeffM2501FF 11 rockx
21:54.17sgk284hey nid
21:54.22TheRedBaronJeffM2501: define vocal
21:54.29JeffM2501TheRedBaron, the people here :)
21:54.33Nidhoggrhi sgk284
21:54.35TheRedBaronthe kiddies on bzbb are very vocal... :)
21:54.38JeffM2501yeah there aint' much on linux
21:54.51JeffM2501I find that sad
21:54.53NidhoggrI really have fun with ff xi
21:54.55JeffM2501but wonder why so many fail
21:54.57TimRikerfrozen bubble it fun, but not exactly mainstream. neverball and neverputt have potential.
21:54.59JeffM2501Nidhoggr, what race?
21:55.08Nidhoggrelvaan monk
21:55.09amathisTimRiker: Enemy Territory if fun
21:55.12JeffM2501nice
21:55.13TheRedBaronI've played alot of your mainstream FPS games out there
21:55.13amathisand UT2k4 linux
21:55.23NidhoggrI have 2 of them. one I play with friends, and another that I play when they can't
21:55.36TheRedBaronInfact, i really only play FPS games. RTS is too slow, and RPG is just...
21:55.36JeffM2501TheRedBaron, online or single player?
21:55.42amathisthey are making a Stargate SG-1 video game! ^_^
21:55.44TheRedBaronJeffM2501: online
21:55.47amathisStargate Alliance
21:55.48JeffM2501cool
21:55.50JeffM2501what ones?
21:55.56amathishopefully they make it linux also
21:56.03TheRedBaronET, BF1941, Halo, battlezone, battlezone2.
21:56.11JeffM2501oh
21:56.12menotumeTupone: One more dumb question ... how do i get from windowed mode to fullscreen?  --geometry ?
21:56.14JeffM2501old stuff
21:56.24TuponeF1
21:56.28TheRedBaronJeffM2501: stuff my video card supports :)
21:56.33JeffM2501yeah old stuff
21:56.33menotumelol - too easy
21:56.35menotumethx
21:56.38TheRedBaronHence my need to update my video card.;
21:56.43TheRedBaronI play AA0
21:56.46JeffM2501the online match making stuff in UT2k4 was amazing
21:56.59JeffM2501free games sadly often don't compare
21:57.07JeffM2501AA is nothing compared to 2k4
21:57.15menotumedoesn't work - is that wm specific ?
21:57.20amathisAA is a piece of slow crap imho >_<
21:57.23TheRedBaron2k4 would eat my graphic card alive...
21:57.27JeffM2501it's an older engine
21:57.43TheRedBaronAA is very slow
21:57.50TheRedBaronbut i'm in it for the realistic factor.
21:57.54JeffM2501aa is more of a marketing thing
21:57.59JeffM2501not a real for super fun game
21:58.02Tuponemenotume: ahh you have not SDL
21:58.10amathisget people to join the army? :D
21:58.14Tuponeyou should build SDL
21:58.27amathis.. or NwN
21:58.34menotumeTuponde: ok - i'll change my desktop resolution
21:58.36amathisI want to get GTA Vice City.
21:58.41amathisoff of bittorrent.
21:58.46JeffM2501amathis, yes basicly it's to get people to ether join or like the army
21:58.52menotumeok - i'll try that too
21:58.56menotumethx again
21:58.58Tuponeok
21:59.04Tuponeyou're welcome
21:59.16TheRedBaronWhat i find funny about AA, is the number of Euro players on it
21:59.16menotume~Tupone++  Tupone very helpful
21:59.30JeffM2501TheRedBaron, I'm not a big fan of ultra realism, I pefer some fantays/scifi in my games, if I want realism in human suffering, I'll just watch the news.
21:59.53TheRedBaronJeffM2501: I don't want to watch the suffering, I want to inflict it :D
22:00.15JeffM2501TheRedBaron, then your the target audience for AA
22:00.59TimRikerneed a paintball mode to bz. you "hit" a player, they turn transparent or something, and have to return to base to spawn.
22:01.05TheRedBaronJeffM2501: then they did a good job :)
22:01.25amathisTheRedBaron: Uncle Sam Wants YOU.
22:01.31*** part/#bzflag orchid (orchid@orchid.user)
22:01.31amathis:P
22:01.40TheRedBaronlol
22:01.44*** join/#bzflag orchid (orchid@orchid.user)
22:02.04TheRedBaronbut back to bzflag.
22:02.04JeffM2501TimRiker, ghost mode? ala Ultima online?
22:02.23JeffM2501when you type all it shows up as is "ooooooo ooo oooooo oOO ooooOOOOoooo"
22:02.40TheRedBaronif you look at the enhancement section at the forum, they are asking for more explosions, eye-candy, etc, flags...
22:02.54JeffM2501ohh I read that part every day
22:02.59TheRedBaronthat's just a bandaid application to prevent bzflag from stagnating.
22:02.59TimRikerJeffM2501: not seen the ghost mode. similar? ie your dead but still need to get back to "base" and then you're alive again?
22:03.00JeffM2501I know what they want
22:03.04JeffM2501and why they wont' get it :)
22:03.15TheRedBaroni'm all for more game modes
22:03.17JeffM2501TimRiker, in UO, you die, you pop as a ghost
22:03.27JeffM2501you have to get to a "healer" to respawn
22:03.31TheRedBaronFFA, CTF, HTF, Leagues, HTR...
22:03.34JeffM2501wheny our a ghost you apear transperant
22:03.34TheRedBaronetc etc.
22:03.37JeffM2501to others
22:03.47JeffM2501everyone else in the word apears black and white
22:03.57JeffM2501and you can only be understood by other ghosts
22:04.17JeffM2501so you can't have a ghost player spying on the other team
22:04.31TimRikersounds about right. would be nice to have a paint splatted texture or something. course then folks would want the correct paintsplat colors too. =/
22:04.32TheRedBaronbasically an observer?
22:04.37JeffM2501kinda
22:04.45JeffM2501but you are semi visible
22:04.48JeffM2501and drive like a tank
22:04.54JeffM2501or in this case like a player
22:04.55TheRedBaronTimRiker: yep its all about customization
22:04.55JeffM2501your dead
22:05.11*** part/#bzflag orchid (orchid@orchid.user)
22:05.26JeffM2501I'd rather see a proper CTF implementation
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22:05.45JeffM2501no score unless you bing a team flag to your base, when YOUR flag is there
22:05.50TimRikerJeffM2501: meaning you need both flag on base for a kill?
22:05.54JeffM2501none of this panzy hiding the flag thing
22:05.55JeffM2501yeah
22:06.06JeffM2501it's a base, defend the damn thing :)
22:06.10TimRikerI'm all for it.
22:06.15JeffM2501don't play hide the saussage
22:06.15TheRedBaronwoah....
22:06.44JeffM2501I'd also make a team flag be not counted as a real flag
22:06.46TheRedBaronthen apparent'ly you'll do it that if you run over you flag, it returns to base correct?
22:06.54JeffM2501yeah kills shoudl be an acilary stat
22:06.57TheRedBaronas in Halo?
22:07.01Grumblerdang, i agree with bryjen again
22:07.07JeffM2501yeah you hit the droped flag, and it's back
22:07.09TheRedBaronand all other FPS games?
22:07.09JeffM2501UT style
22:07.15JeffM2501as in EVERY OTher game :)
22:07.20JeffM2501it's kind of expected
22:07.26TheRedBaronbah....
22:07.31JeffM2501and I don't think the current mode adds anything
22:07.35JeffM2501other then confusion
22:07.50Grumblerscores should be reset after a capture
22:07.52TheRedBaronof course you know there is going to be a hell of an objection and everyone will clamor for a server side option... ;)
22:07.52TimRikerI like the current mode too.
22:08.16TheRedBaronit would change the biggest league we have..
22:08.16JeffM2501Grumbler, scores should reset after a capture limit :)
22:08.18bryjenmeh.  having to carry it back to saftey adds a challenge
22:08.20TimRikerbut now that scoring is server side, it's manageable.
22:08.21JeffM25013 -
22:08.22TheRedBaron(not to mention the only league:)
22:08.27Grumbler...or at least the option........i guess i should tell myself about patches welcome again
22:09.00bryjenmax team score can be set for ctf
22:09.17bryjennobody uses those tho
22:09.21TheRedBaronbryjen, iirc that option is already available.
22:09.29TheRedBaronoops, nvm
22:09.31bryjenTheRedBaron: yesyesyes
22:10.11TheRedBaronbryjen, the biggest opposition to that is you have to rejoin the server....
22:10.28TheRedBaronit doesn't reset in game, server superkills
22:10.52bryjenesc-enter-enter
22:11.06JeffM2501adding all this stuff as options is geting wierd in the code
22:11.18TheRedBaronbryjen: correct, noobs wont' figure that out though...
22:11.24JeffM2501I'd like to see a basic game class made, and all these types derived from it
22:11.27Grumblerso it should fit right in
22:11.31bryjenif they got there in the first place....
22:11.32JeffM2501woudl make it a lot easyer I think
22:11.49TheRedBaronso obviously its this....
22:12.00TheRedBaronReformat the code, or bz dies.  simple.
22:12.31JeffM2501so when you will you be done with that TheRedBaron?
22:12.43TheRedBaronme?
22:12.47TheRedBaronbetter question is...
22:12.49bryjenbz won't die.  it'll gimp along for a loong while
22:12.54TheRedBaronwhen will i Get started with it.
22:13.06JeffM2501yeah it'l just slowly limit the changes it can make
22:13.15JeffM2501but then most games don't evolve and exist forever
22:13.17JeffM2501they end
22:13.24JeffM2501and a new one is made with a 2 after it
22:13.31JeffM2501with a new codebase, that is just inspired by the first
22:13.35TheRedBaronand usually sucks...
22:13.40JeffM2501sometimes
22:13.50JeffM2501UT 2k3 was way better then UT
22:13.50TheRedBaronand then again, there are some that are successful
22:13.58JeffM2501quake2 was way better then quake 1
22:13.59TheRedBaronHalo 2 was way cool
22:14.00JeffM2501etc....
22:14.01JeffM2501yeah
22:14.05TheRedBaronbut halo 3....
22:14.16JeffM2501thou shalt not diz the halo
22:14.41JeffM2501the current bzflag is showing it's lan roots
22:14.45TheRedBaronJeffM2501: thou shalt not limit the radar. :)
22:14.47JeffM2501and it's running into issues with net play
22:15.08JeffM2501TheRedBaron, I won't, I'll just make it difernet :)
22:15.28TheRedBaronJeffM2501: thats what i'm afraid of. :)
22:16.59TheRedBaronok, well I need to be moving on..
22:17.10bryjenthat the original was a LAN game played by groups of people probly who knew each other in real life explains some of the less-than-obviousness of it
22:17.10JeffM2501don't fear change :)
22:17.26JeffM2501yeah it was made in a system where you trusted everyone
22:17.34JeffM2501the rampat cheating is a sign of that flaw
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22:17.45JeffM2501we've patched it up to be playable
22:17.46bryjenthe game didn't have to teach you how to play, the guy sitting next to you did
22:17.51JeffM2501but there are some core thigns that just don't work
22:17.55TheRedBaronexactly
22:17.55JeffM2501yeah
22:18.11JeffM2501I'm not sure how much of the newer tech can be patched in
22:18.27JeffM2501and still keep the game and inteface clean and unified
22:18.33TheRedBaronbut thats what keeps most of us coming back
22:18.38TheRedBaronthe community.
22:18.41JeffM2501there may be benifit from starting with new framework
22:18.44JeffM2501sure the people are cool
22:18.51TheRedBaronall the warm fuzz, love, peace and happiness... :D
22:18.58JeffM2501but the people arn't held toegher by the LAN stuff
22:19.12JeffM2501yeah bryjen I dono how much
22:19.16JeffM2501I personaly feel a lot
22:19.19JeffM2501but I could be wrong
22:19.25bryjenperhaps "many"
22:19.27JeffM2501it's such a big change, there is no way to know till you do it :)
22:19.53JeffM2501and geting everyone on that bandwagon has proven to be a large problem
22:20.01TheRedBaronJeffM2501, I'm not going against the "LAN stuff"
22:20.04JeffM2501many fear codebase changes, as they would not "get" a new frame work
22:20.13JeffM2501TheRedBaron, noone is, but it's not what keeps you here
22:20.19JeffM2501what keeps you here is the fun you have with other humans
22:20.27TheRedBaronExactly.
22:20.42JeffM2501Im just sayingthere are many underlying technologys that can transport that fun :)
22:20.55JeffM2501Internet Fun Transmition Protocoll
22:21.07bryjenthere's already FTP
22:21.29JeffM2501ok so we change bzflag to do all things via FPT
22:21.34bryjenShare the Mirth Transport Proto ;)
22:21.34JeffM2501that should help
22:22.07bryjenHappy Tankers T P
22:23.04JeffM2501the hard part about puting in a new framework, is there would ether be "downtime" when the codebase wasn't the same as the relese, or there would be the droping of supported systems.
22:23.16JeffM2501I know desuporting IRIX would be a big thing for many
22:23.48JeffM2501could work around that by converting current code into "bzflag Clasic" and doing maintannce and patches on it, and making a new BZFlag2 codebase
22:24.05JeffM2501then bzflag clasisc still runs like it used to
22:24.14JeffM2501and expections could be difrent in the 2 version
22:24.21JeffM2501and support for other OSs could come later
22:24.26trepanJeffM2501:  "dropping the ball"  :)
22:24.26bryjenthere'd be a start-up delay, when lotsa stuff doesn't work.  unlike modding from a working existing base.
22:24.31TheRedBaronThen the baron could keep his radar, and league...
22:24.36TheRedBarontalk about having your cake and eating it too
22:24.43JeffM2501yes there woudl be
22:24.53JeffM2501but the end result of the code base could be much cleaner and more modular
22:25.01JeffM2501so in the long run your better off
22:25.09TheRedBaronexactly
22:25.11JeffM2501you woudln't have the "baggage" of the old stuff
22:25.21JeffM2501but you just have to get everyone to commit to that change
22:25.29JeffM2501and have popular support in the sennate
22:25.30trepanit could also be done incrementally
22:25.31TheRedBaroninstead of patchign the floor pans in my volksagen, I tore them out and put new ones in.
22:25.38trepanclean up the interfaces, and swap 'em as you go
22:26.03JeffM2501trepan, probably, but I think that woudl take longer with no real visual benifit, then people would drop off
22:26.12JeffM2501and some of the old coudl still creep in
22:26.13crkoi have a problem with bzflag on windows
22:26.24crkowhen i try to minimize or ALT+TAB out of the game
22:26.28JeffM2501tho I think if anyone does it, that will be the way it will end up done
22:26.31crkothe screen turns black
22:26.32bryjenor fail to creep out ;)
22:26.37crkoand it says Mode not supported
22:26.45crkoand says 180hZ
22:26.47trepanJeffM2501: don't get me wrong, i'm all for the "tabula rasa" approach
22:26.48crkoand 140hZ
22:26.58crkoor something very high like that
22:27.08JeffM2501crko, make sure your drivers are good, your monitor is set right, and you have the latest direct X
22:27.16crkohm
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22:27.21JeffM2501SDL is not pikcin the right refresh for you screen
22:27.23crkoi think i have all of these...
22:27.30crkohm
22:27.32crkoSDL...
22:27.35TheRedBaronSdl?
22:27.38JeffM2501trepan, most are, there are just a couple of bastions of resistance.
22:27.39JeffM2501SDL
22:27.41TheRedBaronthats on windows?
22:27.55crkomust i install SDL on windows?
22:27.59JeffM2501crko, in your display controll pannel does it know your exact monotor type?
22:28.02bryjenSDL is everywhere.  that's what it's good for
22:28.03JeffM2501crko, no
22:28.13JeffM2501and what version of directX do you have?
22:28.17JeffM2501and what video card?
22:28.38crkow8
22:28.51crkonvidia
22:28.53JeffM2501trepan, if only we could pop a fuel air missile into those bastions, we'd be ok :)
22:28.54crkomx 440
22:28.54trepanJeffM2501: we'll i'll be...  http://www.playtr.com/ (not what i was referencing  :)
22:29.01crkoall the drivers updated
22:29.05TheRedBaronwhere do you get the drivers for that though?
22:29.09Silverfoxhow long is a normal bzleague match?
22:29.09JeffM2501crko, what version of directX
22:29.13JeffM2501trepan, played it
22:29.13TheRedBaronwww.nvidia.com?
22:29.18JeffM2501trepan, know what it means
22:29.21TheRedBaronsillverfox: 30min
22:29.24Silverfoxthanks.
22:29.26trepanheh, i just knew the latin
22:29.26crkoJeffM2501, where do i check?
22:29.31JeffM2501trepan, actualy they have open source of there engine :)
22:29.36JeffM2501crko, what version of windows?
22:29.41crkoXP SP2
22:29.42TheRedBaroncrko: go to run, and type dxdiag
22:29.46JeffM2501go to windows update
22:29.52JeffM2501does it have a new directX?
22:30.29crko9.0c
22:30.30JeffM2501it'll also show in your display controll pannel
22:30.34JeffM2501ok good
22:30.37trepanJeffM2501: either way, i'm back into RTS mode  :)
22:30.41JeffM2501cool
22:30.47TheRedBaronCrko, where do you get your drivers from?
22:30.54JeffM2501you shoudl look at that engine
22:30.57crkoTheRedBaron, nvidia.com
22:30.57crko:P
22:30.59JeffM2501it's net and game engine all in one
22:31.10JeffM2501crko, if you go to your advanced seetings
22:31.11TheRedBaronbecause i have that exact same graphic card, never gave me that problem
22:31.17JeffM2501and the 4MX tab
22:31.30JeffM2501what's it say for versions?
22:31.36crkoyes...
22:31.42JeffM2501TheRedBaron, it's specific to his system
22:31.51JeffM2501his driver thinks 180 is a valid refresh for his screen
22:31.54JeffM2501so it's hiting it
22:31.59Silverfoxhmm...  I specify -time 1800 and it shows up as 1:20:00 in the game.
22:32.06[dmp]menotume: ping?
22:32.22TheRedBaronSilverfox: 1800 minutes?
22:32.23menotumepong
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22:32.46Silverfoxoh... thinking seconds.
22:32.47crkoit says 60 hz in my settings :P
22:32.50[dmp]menotume: Is there any backup when using linodes?
22:32.59menotumehmmm- not sure
22:33.11crkoand ticked Hide modes that aren't supported on this monitor
22:33.12menotumeone sec ...
22:34.01bryjenthe man page says -time is seconds
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22:35.29menotume[dmp]: ask at orion.oftc.net, #linode :)
22:35.30crkolol
22:35.32crkoagain
22:35.36crkoi have a black screen
22:35.38crkoand nothing...
22:35.40trepantime specifications should be made consistent
22:35.44crkohave to restart now
22:35.45trepancommand line, ban times, etc...
22:35.50crkocan't see anything :/
22:35.53crkobrb
22:36.15[dmp]menotume: will do :)
22:36.18trepanthere's a function sitting around somewhere that parses 10h3m30s
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22:37.43Jollinohello
22:37.44trepanand if not, there should be  ;)
22:37.52bryjenhmm, just -time 1800 was OK.  with -timemanual, it said 30 mins after i did /countdown, but then started counting from 6 hours :/
22:38.54trepanbryjen: updated cvs? think chestal might have been poking around in there recently
22:39.06Chestalyes, should be fixed in current CVS
22:39.22Jollinolittle question: http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ServerBandwidth says that the server takes up players^2 bandwidth, so for example 6 users would take 36... what? 36 KB/s? or what else? :)
22:39.49bryjenah, maybe not current
22:40.38trepananyone know if that function exists, or if i've simply had too much sugar?
22:41.40JeffM2501he's probably got a bad display PIF
22:41.59bryjenJollino: i think that's just saying that it's proportional to the square of the player count.
22:42.11bryjennot literally players^2
22:42.14Jollinobryjen: yes, but what's the unit supposed to be?
22:42.44bryjensomebody had some nice graphs somewhere.  brlcad? Nidhoggr?
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22:42.47Jollinoi have a friend who could let me put bzfs on his server, but he wants to know how much bandwidth it would take.. and i have no idea at all
22:43.01Chestaltrepan: I know that time in seconds -> days/hours/minutes/seconds exists
22:43.09JeffM2501about 5k per player
22:43.09Nidhoggrimages of?
22:43.17Nidhoggrooh graphs
22:43.20Nidhoggrummm. mine died. :(
22:43.21JollinoJeffM2501: 5 kilobits or 5 kilobytes?
22:43.25NidhoggrI need to make them go again.
22:43.34JeffM2501the biger ones IIRC
22:43.35codsI count 1mbits for 15 players.
22:43.54JeffM2501it goes up fast with more players
22:43.54cods(~6 shots)
22:43.58JeffM2501and shots
22:44.15Jollinohm, pretty expensive in terms of bandwidth huh :)
22:44.16trepanthought i'd seen it in the code beofre
22:44.26Nidhoggryes, it's a bandwidth hog. :)
22:44.31Nidhoggrand it used to be worse. :)
22:44.32JeffM2501yeah it's not the best
22:44.49codsJeffM2501: you mean it's not necessary proportional ?
22:45.10cods(bandwidth/players)
22:45.13JeffM2501cods, well it all depends on prediction and stuff
22:45.16Jollinoit's weird though because when i host a game on my poor 1280/256 kilobit adsl, i can keep 4 users and LOTS of shots quite fine... or so it seems. maybe they're losing data?
22:45.19trepanserver's download b/w is proportional
22:45.21JeffM2501but it is generaly porporopnal
22:45.26Jollinoi have noticed that with more users the console seems to lag
22:45.37trepanupload is something like  factor * N * (N -1)
22:45.37JeffM2501it's more messages
22:45.52JeffM2501if everyone drives slow in straight lines, then it's less bandwith :)
22:46.11crko`hmm i think i see the problem
22:46.20crko`when i start the game
22:46.29sgk284cods, upload bandiwdth has to be exponential, if you have n players and each player needs to be notified of n-1 other people's actions thats O(N^2)
22:46.32crko`the settings are 1280x1024 @ 180 hZ
22:46.42JeffM2501crko`, change that in your config
22:46.57codssgk284, trepan: ah yes right.
22:47.14codsnever thought about that.
22:47.19sgk284granted some form of streaming compression or something could help :)
22:47.32trepansgk284: it's already compressed
22:47.37sgk284really?!
22:47.37trepanMsgPlayerUpdate at least
22:47.41sgk284oh okay
22:48.03trepanand you can't really do streaming compression with any sort of significant window for real time packets
22:48.05sgk284i was gonna say.... i had mentioned it at least 3 times before and seemd like noone liked the idea
22:48.37bryjenit's not like its an overly verbose protocol anyways
22:48.38sgk284trepan, yea i was thinking that... but i mean if you can stream live video pretty close to real time, a few packets about tanks and shots should be doable:)
22:48.43trepanthe floats are crunched, and some of the data if flagged for variable packets sizes, that's about it
22:48.51trepanvideo is different
22:49.01sgk284yea video can be lossless etc...
22:49.04sgk284:/
22:49.09bryjenlossy
22:49.17trepansgk284: it's a matter of latency
22:49.18sgk284or yea i mean lossy*
22:49.20sgk284heh
22:49.29trepanwho cares if your real-time video shows up 2 secs late
22:49.35crko`yeeey works :P
22:49.43sgk284trepan, true:)
22:49.52trepanwhereas game packets, well, they do seem to have an opinion about that specific problem
22:50.00sgk284heh
22:50.51ginamsg orchid hi.
22:50.55ginalol
22:50.58ginaoops
22:51.09ginaright
22:51.33gina<=== fool
22:51.40sgk284~gina++
22:51.56sgk284~karma gina
22:51.56ibotgina has karma of 4
22:52.01gina<=== bit less fool
22:52.05sgk284heh
22:53.46bryjengina.setFoolBit(false)
22:54.33ginauhuh
22:54.45ginawish I could
22:55.10sgk284chmod u-f gina
22:55.17sgk284:)
22:55.41ginaheh
22:55.43ginalol
22:55.45bryjenbecause _everything_ is a file ;)
22:56.00JeffM2501trepan, gonna go finish freecraft for em?
22:56.10ginaecho gina > nul
22:56.13sgk284heh, the unix philosohpy
22:56.56Tupone~gina++
22:58.13trepanJeffM2501: ick
22:58.28JeffM2501yeah sadly I'm just a nice interface on top of something REALY nasty\
22:58.45bryjendup(JeffM2501);
22:59.17amathisGASP!
22:59.18trepandoomed to repeat himself
22:59.23amathisIT IS THE RECLUSIVE Patlabor221 !
22:59.24Patlabor221totaly
22:59.41Pimpinellamysql_db_query(ultimate_knowledge, select * from * , JeffM5101)
22:59.44Grumblermy dragon is looking more and more like a big duck
22:59.47amathisthis once in a lifetime event has gone as fast as it came.
23:00.12JeffM2501does  that mean you get hot if used a lot?
23:00.18JeffM2501dot matrix style?
23:00.19amathishaha
23:00.58Birdie:)
23:01.35bryjenheh. i thought amathis said Patlabor was recursive...
23:02.21JeffM2501he is
23:02.30JeffM2501hence the dooming
23:02.50bryjenrepeatedly
23:02.53ginahi birdie
23:04.29ginaJeffM2501: ur a block device?
23:04.47JeffM2501no just a dressed up pointer.
23:04.54JeffM2501it's all a sham
23:05.17bryjenit's not polite to pointer
23:05.32*** part/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc)
23:05.33ginammmm
23:05.36ginamemory leak
23:05.52*** join/#bzflag JeffMPython (~JeffM@users.gibbscam.com)
23:05.56JeffMPythonthere that's better
23:06.28*** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ
23:07.06gina<PROTECTED>
23:07.09gina00:05 < gina> mmmm
23:07.11gina00:06 < gina> memory leak
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23:09.10a_monkeyyay! i finally got a video card that has 3d accel, so now i can play bz when in linux
23:09.13JeffM2501yeah ninja's have a tendency to leak
23:09.27JeffM2501a_monkey, arn't you on a mac?
23:09.39a_monkeyJeffM2501: yeah, why?
23:09.58JeffM2501don't you have hardweare accell udner OSX?
23:10.20JeffM2501and how do you replace a card in a e-mac, didn't think they had ports
23:10.28bryjenor maybe the ninja was the garbage collector
23:10.59a_monkeyJeffM2501: yes, but i'm hardly ever in os x, i like linux better. i didn't like having to reboot into os x just to play bz
23:11.14JeffM2501bryjen, poor
23:11.23JeffM2501a_monkey, what card did you get then?
23:11.58a_monkeyJeffM2501, the only cards that have linux/ppc 3d accel are ati. i got an ati radeon 9200
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23:12.18JeffM2501a_monkey, where did you get the drivers?
23:12.29JeffM2501ATI does not seem to produce PPC versions of drivers
23:13.09a_monkeyJeffM2501, debian comes with a driver called "radeon" compiled for ppc. it has 3d accel support
23:13.17JeffM2501ahh
23:13.18JeffM2501DRI
23:13.20JeffM2501no thanks
23:13.26a_monkeyyes, dri
23:13.32JeffM2501it's not full hardware
23:14.08JeffM2501what slot does the emac have for that?
23:14.10JeffM2501a PCI?
23:14.14a_monkeyyes
23:14.17JeffM2501ewwwwwww
23:14.19JeffM2501I'm sorry
23:14.46JeffM2501how much did that card cost ya?
23:15.07a_monkeyi don't remember, ati.org will tell ya
23:15.21a_monkey$200 or something
23:15.24JeffM2501oh
23:15.28JeffM2501you got a real mac card
23:15.30JeffM2501again I'm sorry
23:15.41JeffM2501you could have goten a PC one for 60$ and flashed it
23:16.10a_monkeywhat's flashing a card?
23:16.11JeffM2501it's amazing what mac people will pay for :)
23:16.16JeffM2501replacing the bios
23:16.18JeffM2501with the mac one
23:16.26JeffM2501it's easy
23:16.36bryjeneasy is relative
23:16.42JeffM2501it's prety easy :)
23:16.54JeffM2501it's easyer then gentoo :)
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23:17.29Blue_Eyesbye all
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23:18.55JeffM2501the DRI drivers are the slowest of all the hardwareish drivers, and also often have GL errors
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23:19.52bryjenbut they
23:20.11bryjen're free.  so, meh, good 'nuff
23:20.14JeffM2501heh
23:20.18JeffM2501sofware is free too
23:20.28JeffM2501and will have a more accurate rendering
23:20.49JeffM2501and if he likes X, why not just run X on OSX :)
23:21.01bryjenhehe.  proprietary drivers are no-fee too
23:21.10bryjenjust not open
23:21.39JeffM2501somehow I don't think a 12 year old cares about open/closed drivers on his emac :)
23:21.56JeffM2501but what ever floats his boat
23:22.09JeffM2501he spent 2/5ths of the price of a mini on a card :)
23:22.30bryjenif ati/nv's own drivers were open, someone may port them to ppc
23:22.41JeffM2501well I think they should port them
23:22.47JeffM2501the make mac drivers
23:23.06JeffM2501Idon't mind OSX tho
23:23.07JeffM2501it's nice
23:23.11bryjenyeah.  ignoring the "second" platform doesn't make sense
23:23.24JeffM2501when they allready make drivers for the silly thing
23:23.29JeffM2501both of em
23:23.35JeffM2501unless apple is holding them back
23:24.12JeffM2501had he saved for a mini, he'd have better speed, and the same chip, on AGP
23:24.49JeffM2501and a brand new apple sticker
23:24.56JeffM2501cus that's what's realy important
23:25.20bryjenor he could get a low budget PC and be able to use the drivers
23:25.28JeffM2501that is true as well
23:25.49JeffM2501since he dosn't realy use OSX, there isn't much reason to stay on the tosh
23:26.09bryjenother than it's already there. inertia
23:26.14JeffM2501yeah
23:26.26JeffM2501best woudl have been to self flash a card
23:26.49JeffM2501that's what I did in my G3
23:26.52JeffM2501worked flawlessly
23:27.26Pimpinellathere's just a strange probem on viper. bullets expolde right after they are fired
23:27.36ginammm
23:27.41Pimpinellaanyone heard of it?
23:27.43Nidhoggrmight be one of the old cheats
23:27.53bryjen<PROTECTED>
23:27.53DTRemenaktry /reset _shotReloadTime or similar
23:28.00DTRemenakprobably what he said
23:28.18DTRemenakand of course he beat me to it.
23:28.19Pimpinellait's not always, just sometimes
23:28.22Nidhoggrused to be a cheat where a client could tell bullets when to blow up.
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23:28.28DTRemenakhmm
23:28.29Nidhoggr:)
23:28.33sussudioPimpinella: what the hell with the bullets?
23:28.50Pimpinellaand especially when a anemy tank isin range
23:28.58Pimpinellasussudio: dunno
23:29.00sussudioit's with Aenox and "Ultimate Force"
23:29.09sussudioi think they're cheating somehow
23:29.23Pimpinellasussudio: one of them?
23:29.32Pimpinellahm
23:29.34sussudioone or both
23:29.40sussudiobullets expire before they reach them
23:29.47Nidhoggryeah, I've seen that before
23:29.48sussudioi know there was a cheat for 1.10.8 that did this
23:29.49Pimpinellajust asked if somebody knew of a bug causing it
23:29.51JeffM2501yeah that would be a cheat
23:29.52bryjenaenox was a name mention about the permanent cheat
23:30.17Pimpinellak, lets remove them
23:30.21Nidhoggrback soon. driving home.
23:30.33bryjenpermanent _wings_ cheat, i meant
23:30.44sussudio:-|
23:30.54DTRemenakyeah, aenox was doin' the whole wings thing
23:31.09sussudioprobably knightmare again
23:31.29DTRemenakdoubt it.  his ips are all in one block
23:32.03sussudioi think he's changed isps once before
23:32.25DTRemenakyeah, but not to a british one :)
23:32.34sussudiomaybe he was deported
23:32.37DTRemenakhaha
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23:34.27Pimpinellacheat stopped, prolly aenox was the right one
23:34.33bryjeni thought someone had added a check for invalid MsgShotEnd's or whatever
23:34.38Pimpinellaprolly npt
23:34.40Pimpinellanot
23:35.13bryjenor it was not a very good check :/
23:35.25sussudio:-P
23:35.28Pimpinellabryjen: check doesn't neccessarily mean that it has consequences
23:35.40Pimpinellaprolly a log entry
23:36.26bryjentrue. maybe just logged.  should be able to not relay the bad message to other players, if the check is reliable
23:36.52Pimpinellanothing logged :(
23:37.12Pimpinellawell, gnite
23:38.17sussudionabend
23:39.57bryjenhttp://www.bzflag.org/wiki/BulletFreeZone
23:40.28bryjenand searching for MsgShotEnd in src/bzfs/ doesn't reveal any special handling
23:40.30bryjen:(

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