| 00:00.33 | Quol | how are ya? |
| 00:01.23 | brlcad | was doing great until I had to start working on these proposal documents |
| 00:01.54 | Quol | lol - you and I buddy, you and I :) |
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| 00:23.56 | Crko | why isn't sound working for me on a SDL build? |
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| 00:38.40 | shorty114 | Pimpi: are you there? |
| 00:42.40 | Tupone | Crko: what you read on the starting colsole about sound ? |
| 00:43.26 | Tupone | Audio driver : ???? |
| 00:44.09 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: you take things too personally. try saying "patches welcome" or perhaps that's "maps welcome". It helps the attitude. ;-) |
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| 00:48.03 | trepan | TimRiker: i also suggested a catch-phrase for stress relief, but not quite along your lines |
| 00:48.51 | trepan | (and it was admittedly also applicable to myself) |
| 00:51.45 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, ohh I'm not mad at him, I just find it funny. |
| 00:52.02 | amathis | brlcad: you there? |
| 00:52.14 | TimRiker | now that's a healthy attitude. ;-) |
| 00:52.15 | brlcad | now let's go beat the crap out of his US uneducated ... |
| 00:52.41 | amathis | brlcad: do the new stargate atlantis eps come on tonight? |
| 00:53.45 | brlcad | tonight is the night, my friend |
| 00:54.01 | brlcad | triple pizzacide |
| 00:54.07 | shorty114 | ^.^ |
| 00:54.12 | shorty114 | pizza sounds good... |
| 00:54.27 | shorty114 | ~botsnack |
| 00:54.27 | ibot | shorty114: :) |
| 00:54.31 | amathis | brlcad: w00t |
| 00:54.35 | amathis | brlcad: I thought It was soon |
| 00:55.03 | brlcad | sounds like a lil carter on carter action |
| 01:00.12 | shorty114 | hmmm |
| 01:00.19 | shorty114 | my DB queries count thingy is b0rked |
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| 01:14.35 | amathis | hola orchid |
| 01:14.44 | orchid | hello |
| 01:16.01 | SportChick | Hi guys. I understand that there has been a patch to fix packetloss problems. I am still having lagwarn issues even after the patch. Others have reported them to me, but I don't know if they've been filing them elsewhere. My issue is that I keep getting lag/packetloss warnings. I do immediate lagstats and my lag isbstantially below lagwarn. lagwarn on SP is 300 ms. My lag is generally 32 ms (although it's been a |
| 01:16.01 | SportChick | s high as 54 today). Sometimes I'll get the warnings every minute or so. A bit ago I was playing and lagwarn was 32 +- 12 ms, packetloss 0. I've never seen my packetloss (since the patch) above 1%, yet I continue to get the warnings. |
| 01:19.08 | shorty114 | cya SportChick |
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| 01:27.55 | mimithebrain | hi |
| 01:28.01 | mimithebrain | I have a server |
| 01:28.05 | mimithebrain | I wanna know... |
| 01:28.17 | mimithebrain | how do I set the meximum flaps for a wing flag? |
| 01:28.32 | JeffM2501 | +f WG{5} |
| 01:28.37 | JeffM2501 | that will give you 5 of them |
| 01:28.37 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.44 | JeffM2501 | ohh flaps |
| 01:28.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah sorry |
| 01:28.48 | JeffM2501 | what he said |
| 01:29.41 | wizart | is this flaps in a row or flaps to drop? |
| 01:30.13 | JeffM2501 | caboose is a retard |
| 01:30.16 | trepan | (inadvertent misappropriation) |
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| 01:30.20 | Legolas | hi |
| 01:30.37 | JeffM2501 | it's both wizart |
| 01:30.38 | Legolas | what is wrong with the global logins? |
| 01:30.42 | mimithebrain | thanks |
| 01:30.55 | Legolas | it still aint workin :( |
| 01:31.11 | amathis | JeffM2501: do you have IE windows? |
| 01:31.23 | JeffM2501 | everyone with windows has IE |
| 01:31.25 | amathis | please look at this in firefox, and then see if it is ok in IE... http://amathis.net/new |
| 01:31.28 | amathis | err |
| 01:31.31 | amathis | not that |
| 01:31.36 | amathis | http://amathis.net/etc/new |
| 01:31.38 | amathis | that |
| 01:31.59 | mimithebrain | k |
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| 01:32.00 | mimithebrain | sry |
| 01:32.04 | mimithebrain | my mistake |
| 01:32.12 | mimithebrain | I meant, flaps in a row |
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| 01:33.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: color printError messages red, so they stick out more |
| 01:34.16 | tea\tree_ | good nite all |
| 01:34.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/ (ChangeLog src/bzflag/ControlPanel.cxx): simple scroll indicator for control panel |
| 01:34.23 | Legolas | whats wrong with global login? |
| 01:34.30 | tea\tree_ | Legolas ;) |
| 01:35.25 | Legolas | g2g |
| 01:39.15 | a_monkey | where can i get a bzflag map-making tutorial or reference? |
| 01:40.41 | JeffM2501 | there isn't one |
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| 01:45.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Fixing no -fb with jump and elevated bases |
| 01:48.17 | tea\tree_ | uh |
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| 01:49.35 | ep | does quol's ducati server still exist, its not on the list and i can't recall the addr/port |
| 01:49.43 | tea\tree_ | yes |
| 01:50.03 | tea\tree_ | ep: in 2.0 ore old 08 |
| 01:50.08 | tea\tree_ | 1.10.8 |
| 01:50.30 | ep | old i guess |
| 01:50.41 | tea\tree_ | jup its stil on |
| 01:51.15 | ep | how come such a large jump on the version number? |
| 01:51.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ControlPanel.cxx: clamp the scroll indicator |
| 01:52.18 | tea\tree_ | ? |
| 01:52.46 | ep | from 1.1 to 2, just curious |
| 01:52.55 | JeffM2501 | it was 1.11 |
| 01:52.57 | JeffM2501 | not 1.1 |
| 01:53.24 | JeffM2501 | 1.7 -> 1.8 -> 1.9 -> 1.10 -> 1.11 ->2.0 |
| 01:53.26 | ep | well thats a big difference:) |
| 01:53.37 | JeffM2501 | it just seemed stupid to make 1.12 |
| 01:53.55 | tea\tree_ | oh shit |
| 01:54.02 | JeffM2501 | lang |
| 01:54.21 | tea\tree_ | JeffM2501 ;), Brad2901 played against me and ches later on i thought it was u ;o) |
| 01:54.25 | tea\tree_ | bit confusing |
| 01:54.29 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 01:54.34 | tea\tree_ | dunno |
| 01:54.37 | tea\tree_ | wasnt thinkin |
| 01:54.37 | JeffM2501 | why would you think it was me? |
| 01:54.37 | ep | 1.1 is less than 1.9 -- i guess i don't unterstand version numbers -- |
| 01:54.41 | JeffM2501 | I NEVER play |
| 01:54.44 | tea\tree_ | i KNOW |
| 01:54.46 | JeffM2501 | ep it wasn't 1.1 |
| 01:54.49 | tea\tree_ | thats why i was shoked! |
| 01:54.51 | JeffM2501 | it was 1.11 |
| 01:54.53 | blast007 | ep: it was 1.10, not 1.1 |
| 01:54.55 | tea\tree_ | but it was Brad2901 |
| 01:54.56 | tea\tree_ | ;) |
| 01:54.57 | JeffM2501 | eleven is biger then nine |
| 01:54.57 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: well, not quite. 1.7 -> 1.8 -> 1.7 -> 1.9 -> 1.10 -> 1.11 -> 2.0 |
| 01:55.08 | JeffM2501 | 10 is biger then 9 |
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| 01:55.24 | tea\tree_ | is there a website where all versions are shown from the beginning |
| 01:55.27 | purple_cow | ep: it's not a decimal number, the . is just a separator between major/minor/tiny |
| 01:55.28 | tea\tree_ | just for interest? |
| 01:55.31 | JeffM2501 | tea\tree_, no |
| 01:55.37 | ep | ah |
| 01:55.39 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't even on SF till 1.7b |
| 01:55.41 | tea\tree_ | thinkin where i started |
| 01:55.47 | tea\tree_ | when |
| 01:56.03 | JeffM2501 | 1999 or 2k IIRC |
| 01:56.11 | tea\tree_ | i remember one big step of changed was in g0 ore something |
| 01:56.23 | tea\tree_ | but i was years early on |
| 01:56.26 | tea\tree_ | the game |
| 01:56.29 | JeffM2501 | 1.7e6 went to g0 |
| 01:56.34 | tea\tree_ | aah |
| 01:56.36 | tea\tree_ | 17e4 |
| 01:56.41 | tea\tree_ | 1.7e2 |
| 01:56.57 | tea\tree_ | uuhm |
| 01:57.03 | tea\tree_ | what was before then? |
| 01:57.19 | JeffM2501 | it went from b to e to g |
| 01:57.22 | shorty114 | 0.01? |
| 01:57.23 | shorty114 | :D |
| 01:57.26 | tea\tree_ | ;o) |
| 01:57.27 | JeffM2501 | there was a fx version in there |
| 01:57.35 | JeffM2501 | opensource started at 1.7b4 IIRC |
| 01:57.38 | mimithebrain | hello |
| 01:57.42 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 01:57.44 | shorty114 | hello, mimithebrain |
| 01:57.53 | shorty114 | bz's got an interesting version numbering history |
| 01:57.57 | mimithebrain | what is the command line option to set the maximum jumps with a wing flag... |
| 01:58.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah the letter stuff was crap |
| 01:58.11 | JeffM2501 | mimithebrain, in game |
| 01:58.18 | shorty114 | mimithebrain: /set |
| 01:58.21 | shorty114 | hmm |
| 01:58.28 | mimithebrain | only in game? |
| 01:58.32 | tea\tree_ | well im of to bed 3 am ;) |
| 01:58.34 | tea\tree_ | cu guys |
| 01:58.35 | JeffM2501 | do /set _wingsJumpCount 3 |
| 01:58.38 | JeffM2501 | or in a vars file |
| 01:58.38 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.49 | tea\tree_ | g`nite |
| 01:58.54 | mimithebrain | thanks |
| 01:59.00 | trepan | command line, conf file, or in a map "options" block |
| 01:59.21 | shorty114 | hmm time to update http://bzflag.org/wiki/ServerVariables |
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| 01:59.27 | mimithebrain | thanks! |
| 02:00.04 | shorty114 | hmmm never mind :| |
| 02:00.13 | shorty114 | weird |
| 02:00.18 | shorty114 | it says last modified last modified 2004-03-17 13:33:43 |
| 02:00.24 | shorty114 | but it has wings variables |
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| 02:00.48 | JeffM2501 | wings was one of the first flags |
| 02:00.50 | shorty114 | wb, a_monkey |
| 02:00.53 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: in 1.7? |
| 02:01.02 | shorty114 | or before that? |
| 02:01.12 | shorty114 | that would explain a lot... |
| 02:01.24 | shorty114 | hang on... |
| 02:01.26 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, what? |
| 02:01.27 | ep | any idea if/when 2.0 will be available as a mandrake package (urpmi)? |
| 02:01.30 | shorty114 | when did 2.0 dev start? |
| 02:01.32 | shorty114 | (1.11) |
| 02:01.35 | JeffM2501 | ep, when somone makes it |
| 02:01.42 | JeffM2501 | shorty in the dev line. |
| 02:01.50 | a_monkey | when i try to configure bzflag's source, i get this error: "configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH" |
| 02:02.01 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, install a compiler |
| 02:02.01 | mimithebrain | where can I find the set of /set commands? |
| 02:02.04 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: was 1.11 around and being develed a year ago? |
| 02:02.09 | JeffM2501 | mimithebrain, in game type /set |
| 02:02.12 | JeffM2501 | it'll list em all |
| 02:02.17 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, yeah |
| 02:02.21 | a_monkey | like what kind of compiler? |
| 02:02.21 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: ah. |
| 02:02.24 | mimithebrain | I cannot see them all in game |
| 02:02.30 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, a C++ one |
| 02:02.31 | mimithebrain | I have tryed that |
| 02:02.38 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, what OS are you on? |
| 02:02.43 | a_monkey | mac os x |
| 02:02.46 | JeffM2501 | mimithebrain, it will list them |
| 02:02.51 | mimithebrain | thanks |
| 02:02.53 | JeffM2501 | or check the docs |
| 02:02.58 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, install the Dev CD |
| 02:03.05 | a_monkey | ok |
| 02:03.34 | shorty114 | a_monkey: what version of OS X? panther? |
| 02:04.16 | a_monkey | yes |
| 02:04.30 | shorty114 | go to connect.apple.com and then register or login if you already have an account. |
| 02:04.35 | shorty114 | then download the XCode tools. |
| 02:04.41 | shorty114 | latest is best. |
| 02:04.44 | a_monkey | i have them on CD actually |
| 02:04.58 | shorty114 | if you have XCode 1.0 you should upgrade |
| 02:05.01 | shorty114 | they're at like 1.2 |
| 02:05.06 | a_monkey | k |
| 02:05.22 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, what version of OSX? |
| 02:05.26 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: panther |
| 02:05.32 | JeffM2501 | 10.3? |
| 02:05.34 | shorty114 | yeah |
| 02:05.37 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 02:05.47 | JeffM2501 | you'll need some libs |
| 02:05.49 | JeffM2501 | like SDL |
| 02:05.50 | JeffM2501 | and curl |
| 02:05.54 | shorty114 | http://www.libsdl.org/ |
| 02:05.57 | shorty114 | IIRC |
| 02:05.58 | JeffM2501 | fink |
| 02:06.12 | shorty114 | the SDL project has OS X .dmg's, IIRC |
| 02:06.15 | shorty114 | that's how i installed it |
| 02:06.42 | shorty114 | but the ./configure never sensed SDL >D |
| 02:06.57 | mimithebrain | :| |
| 02:07.28 | JeffM2501 | did oyu install the dev one or the runtime? |
| 02:07.35 | shorty114 | the runtime one IIRC |
| 02:07.43 | JeffM2501 | to build you need the dev one |
| 02:07.46 | JeffM2501 | so that makes total sense |
| 02:07.47 | shorty114 | ah |
| 02:07.52 | shorty114 | that would explain a lot :) |
| 02:08.09 | JeffM2501 | why would config, a development tool, detect a runtime package that has no development parts? |
| 02:08.35 | shorty114 | *shrug* |
| 02:08.46 | shorty114 | all i knew was i had sdl installed... |
| 02:09.08 | JeffM2501 | perhaps it would be a good time to learn about the development process your trying to do |
| 02:09.30 | shorty114 | huh? |
| 02:09.37 | JeffM2501 | your trying to build |
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| 02:09.42 | shorty114 | me? no |
| 02:10.05 | shorty114 | ah nm |
| 02:10.08 | JeffM2501 | were you not running config? |
| 02:10.18 | JeffM2501 | <shorty114> but the ./configure never sensed SDL >D |
| 02:10.19 | shorty114 | i did ./autogen.sh, ./configure; make |
| 02:10.26 | JeffM2501 | that is called "building" |
| 02:10.36 | shorty114 | isn't make the actual build part? |
| 02:10.47 | JeffM2501 | it's all part of the building process |
| 02:10.52 | JeffM2501 | you were compiling form source |
| 02:10.55 | shorty114 | well, i learned later that i need -dev or -devel packages |
| 02:10.58 | JeffM2501 | developing |
| 02:11.00 | shorty114 | for almost everything |
| 02:11.05 | JeffM2501 | well yeah |
| 02:11.09 | JeffM2501 | compilers are dev tools |
| 02:11.15 | JeffM2501 | they need dev packages |
| 02:11.20 | JeffM2501 | they can't link from the air |
| 02:11.35 | shorty114 | obviously. |
| 02:11.57 | JeffM2501 | so if your building, then you should probaby learn about the building process |
| 02:12.23 | JeffM2501 | or you'll make statemenst that make no sense like your one about SDL |
| 02:12.31 | shorty114 | ok. |
| 02:14.08 | mimithebrain | mmmm |
| 02:14.18 | mimithebrain | ok... |
| 02:14.24 | mimithebrain | I'm finished for now |
| 02:14.27 | mimithebrain | ttyl all |
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| 02:38.59 | shorty114 | Pimpinella: hello. |
| 02:39.13 | shorty114 | Pimpinella: do you know where viper is? |
| 02:39.30 | shorty114 | or when he's gonna update his server to 2.0? |
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| 02:39.42 | shorty114 | wb, a_ |
| 02:39.47 | shorty114 | wb, a_monkey |
| 02:40.00 | a_monkey | i installed the developer tools, still i get the same error? |
| 02:40.10 | a_monkey | err, "." instead of "?" |
| 02:40.12 | shorty114 | XCode or Developer Tools? |
| 02:40.18 | a_monkey | developer tools |
| 02:40.30 | JeffM2501 | shorty114: xcode IS on the dev tools disk |
| 02:40.40 | shorty114 | XCode is for 10.3 |
| 02:40.45 | shorty114 | Dev Tools is 10.2 IIRC |
| 02:40.47 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 02:40.50 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 02:40.56 | JeffM2501 | code is part of dev tools |
| 02:41.02 | JeffM2501 | you can do command line builds on any OSX |
| 02:41.12 | JeffM2501 | XCode just replaced project builder |
| 02:41.15 | shorty114 | ah |
| 02:41.20 | a_monkey | i installed gcc, bsd-devel, all these packages |
| 02:41.25 | a_monkey | from the devel cd |
| 02:41.31 | JeffM2501 | like I said, you may wish to learn about the process before you make comments. |
| 02:41.43 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey: and what are you typing on the command line? |
| 02:41.56 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: ./configure --prefix=/usr |
| 02:42.13 | JeffM2501 | what happens if you just type c++ --version |
| 02:42.30 | a_monkey | c++: command not found |
| 02:42.37 | shorty114 | g++ --version |
| 02:42.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah then try that |
| 02:42.56 | a_monkey | g++: command not found |
| 02:42.59 | shorty114 | hmmm |
| 02:43.10 | shorty114 | gcc --version work? |
| 02:43.10 | JeffM2501 | ok your gcc isn't installed properly |
| 02:43.13 | JeffM2501 | or not in your path |
| 02:43.16 | JeffM2501 | you need to fix that |
| 02:43.20 | shorty114 | unlikely... |
| 02:43.30 | a_monkey | where would the devel cd install gcc? |
| 02:43.35 | JeffM2501 | unlikely what? |
| 02:43.37 | a_monkey | cuz i know i installed it |
| 02:43.40 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey: where ever you told it to |
| 02:43.45 | shorty114 | i don't think apple could screw up that badly... |
| 02:43.55 | shorty114 | when i installed dev tools, it worked out of the box. |
| 02:43.57 | JeffM2501 | ohh I don't think apple screwed up |
| 02:44.05 | JeffM2501 | shorty114: yes it does |
| 02:44.13 | shorty114 | unless the path is different on a_monkey's machine... |
| 02:44.23 | JeffM2501 | or he screwd up |
| 02:44.26 | JeffM2501 | or he put it on a nother drive |
| 02:44.29 | shorty114 | well, that too. |
| 02:44.29 | JeffM2501 | or he's a limted user |
| 02:44.31 | JeffM2501 | there are many things |
| 02:44.45 | shorty114 | well, if he was a limited user, he wouldn't be able to install dev tools in the first place. |
| 02:44.46 | JeffM2501 | so I'd learn about the process shorty114 before you comment |
| 02:44.49 | shorty114 | you need admin privs |
| 02:44.55 | JeffM2501 | BINGO! |
| 02:45.07 | a_monkey | should i be root when doing this? |
| 02:45.10 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey: what drive did you pick to install onto? |
| 02:45.21 | a_monkey | Primatial HD, my hfs+ partition |
| 02:45.21 | JeffM2501 | apple dosn't have a root |
| 02:45.27 | shorty114 | yeah it does. |
| 02:45.31 | shorty114 | you can su |
| 02:45.39 | JeffM2501 | that is difrenht |
| 02:45.45 | shorty114 | youc an login as root also |
| 02:45.51 | JeffM2501 | install it on the drive the OS is on |
| 02:46.01 | JeffM2501 | and give it the admin password |
| 02:46.05 | JeffM2501 | install all the packages. |
| 02:46.12 | a_monkey | i did |
| 02:46.14 | a_monkey | exactly that |
| 02:46.32 | JeffM2501 | then ether it did not work, or your path is messed up |
| 02:46.41 | a_monkey | hmm |
| 02:46.41 | a_monkey | odd |
| 02:46.42 | JeffM2501 | you need to fix ether the install or that path. |
| 02:46.49 | shorty114 | a_monkey: did you ever change the path? |
| 02:47.01 | JeffM2501 | it worked for me on 10.2 and 103 |
| 02:47.26 | shorty114 | same here on 10.2 |
| 02:47.44 | JeffM2501 | 10.2 is crap |
| 02:47.47 | shorty114 | yeah |
| 02:47.58 | a_monkey | shorty114: nah, didn't ever change my path |
| 02:48.04 | shorty114 | hmmm |
| 02:48.09 | JeffM2501 | something did |
| 02:48.14 | JeffM2501 | find g++ |
| 02:48.16 | shorty114 | or someone... |
| 02:48.18 | shorty114 | cd / |
| 02:48.20 | JeffM2501 | see if it's in your path |
| 02:48.23 | shorty114 | find . -print g++ |
| 02:48.28 | trepan | ~g++ |
| 02:49.23 | JeffM2501 | shorty if your going to help him fix his gcc install I'd do it in a /msg |
| 02:49.56 | shorty114 | a_monkey: oops that's cd / and then find . g++ -print |
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| 02:50.07 | wizart | ah, Jeff, just the guy I wanted to see. My account (wizard) on the bzflag forum seams to be inactive. Sorry, but your password cannot be retrieved because your account is currently inactive. Please contact the forum administrator for more information. |
| 02:50.26 | [Drizzt] | is there such thing as a map editor for OSX? |
| 02:50.37 | JeffM2501 | wizart: do the "i forgot my password" thing |
| 02:51.00 | JeffM2501 | [Drizzt]: not specificly for the mac, there is a python one, that should work. |
| 02:51.03 | a_monkey | shorty114: that gives me an enourmous output |
| 02:51.07 | wizart | that's where I got this message. |
| 02:51.07 | JeffM2501 | it does not support the 2.0 features |
| 02:51.08 | a_monkey | i neverending list |
| 02:51.09 | shorty114 | a_monkey: yeah. |
| 02:51.14 | shorty114 | it's searching your HD |
| 02:51.22 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, shorty114 TAKE IT TO A /MSG |
| 02:51.26 | JeffM2501 | we don't need to see it |
| 02:51.31 | shorty114 | ookay... |
| 02:51.33 | JeffM2501 | wizart: /msg me your mail addy |
| 02:51.33 | [Drizzt] | is there one that does jeff? are they working on one? |
| 02:51.58 | JeffM2501 | [Drizzt]: no, as far as I know there are no active project to make a new editor |
| 02:52.17 | [Drizzt] | ok, can you give me a link to the python one, or some sort of reference |
| 02:52.27 | JeffM2501 | search sourceforge |
| 02:52.31 | [Drizzt] | will do |
| 02:52.34 | JeffM2501 | the project is not run by us, but a 3rd party |
| 02:53.46 | shorty114 | [Drizzt]: pybzflag |
| 02:53.56 | shorty114 | or pybzedit |
| 02:54.01 | [Drizzt] | is that the name of the file? |
| 02:54.11 | JeffM2501 | it's the name of the project |
| 02:54.15 | [Drizzt] | i see |
| 02:54.18 | JeffM2501 | it's more the one file |
| 02:54.22 | shorty114 | it's a whole app. |
| 02:54.43 | JeffM2501 | you don't need an editor to make maps tho |
| 02:54.45 | JeffM2501 | they are just text files |
| 02:54.57 | [Drizzt] | really? wow |
| 02:55.03 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah |
| 02:55.06 | shorty114 | .map extention |
| 02:55.06 | JeffM2501 | didn't you ever open one? |
| 02:55.15 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 02:55.18 | JeffM2501 | .bzw |
| 02:55.33 | shorty114 | oh yeah |
| 02:55.37 | shorty114 | .map was old |
| 02:55.44 | JeffM2501 | .map was wrong |
| 02:55.58 | JeffM2501 | bzedit was also a 3rd party tool, it was not to be trusted. |
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| 02:56.22 | shorty114 | i thought you had something to do with bzedit? |
| 02:56.27 | JeffM2501 | I did |
| 02:56.36 | JeffM2501 | it was writen by a fool in one day. |
| 02:56.46 | shorty114 | anyone know what the bash equivelant of .tcshrc is? |
| 02:57.12 | scanline | shorty114: .bashrc :P |
| 02:57.12 | DTRemenak | shorty114: .bashrc |
| 02:57.14 | JeffM2501 | the comercial one! |
| 02:57.16 | shorty114 | oh duh. |
| 02:57.21 | shorty114 | thanks scanline and DTRemenak |
| 02:57.22 | JeffM2501 | I'll by that for 20$ |
| 02:57.49 | trepan | although, it would appear that it maybe have been sub-contracted to a Russian outfit |
| 02:57.56 | trepan | s/maybe/may |
| 02:58.01 | MeBigFatGuy | the ubme? |
| 02:58.02 | JeffM2501 | hmm then they would outsource it to india! |
| 02:58.18 | [Drizzt] | is "pybzedit.iss" the app? |
| 02:58.39 | JeffM2501 | [Drizzt]: we can not provide support for it |
| 02:58.46 | [Drizzt] | oh |
| 02:58.48 | JeffM2501 | it should have docs |
| 02:58.52 | JeffM2501 | we did not make it |
| 02:59.01 | [Drizzt] | they are all .py |
| 02:59.02 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: noone here knows how it works. ask the guy who wrote it (and no, we don't know who) |
| 02:59.09 | shorty114 | ^.^ |
| 02:59.10 | shorty114 | whoa |
| 02:59.20 | shorty114 | someone _must_ know who wrote it... |
| 02:59.26 | DTRemenak | err, that was towards [Drizzt] not towards JeffM2501 |
| 02:59.27 | JeffM2501 | sourceforge does |
| 02:59.31 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:59.39 | shorty114 | you could check commits... |
| 02:59.43 | JeffM2501 | the SF page for the project has contact info |
| 02:59.50 | JeffM2501 | shorty114: don't overthink things |
| 03:00.00 | JeffM2501 | the dudes sf mail is on the freaking project page |
| 03:00.00 | [Drizzt] | meh, whatever, i can wait...or not do it at all |
| 03:00.07 | JeffM2501 | wait for what? |
| 03:00.22 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: heh |
| 03:00.39 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, it may help if you try to think before you type. |
| 03:01.00 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: well, a_monkey's problem was with his path |
| 03:01.13 | JeffM2501 | that's exactly what I said |
| 03:01.20 | JeffM2501 | did he fix it? |
| 03:01.23 | shorty114 | yes |
| 03:01.27 | shorty114 | well, temporarily |
| 03:01.30 | shorty114 | with export |
| 03:01.47 | JeffM2501 | he needs to fix that perm, if he wishes to dev |
| 03:01.51 | shorty114 | yeah |
| 03:01.55 | shorty114 | i was gonna ask... |
| 03:02.01 | shorty114 | how do bash .bashrc files work? |
| 03:02.04 | shorty114 | same as .tcshrc? |
| 03:02.12 | JeffM2501 | I'd check #bash |
| 03:02.22 | shorty114 | ok |
| 03:05.36 | shorty114 | well, that's taken care of. |
| 03:05.40 | shorty114 | time to go away. |
| 03:05.51 | JeffM2501 | huzzah |
| 03:06.44 | shorty114 | hmm... |
| 03:07.06 | JeffM2501 | thanks for telling us |
| 03:07.13 | shorty114 | np :) |
| 03:20.51 | a_monkey | ya know, i started using linux for a little while, and i think i'm starting to like it better than os x |
| 03:21.07 | shorty114 | so use linux. |
| 03:21.13 | shorty114 | if you like it better. |
| 03:21.25 | shorty114 | lots of ppc distros out there |
| 03:21.39 | a_monkey | yea i have yellow dog linux installed on one half of my hd |
| 03:21.51 | JeffM2501 | just don't expect video card support to be that good |
| 03:22.00 | JeffM2501 | nvidia dosn't make PPC builds of it's drivers |
| 03:22.13 | shorty114 | does ATi? |
| 03:22.17 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 03:22.18 | a_monkey | yea |
| 03:22.20 | a_monkey | it odes |
| 03:22.22 | JeffM2501 | what mac is it? |
| 03:22.23 | a_monkey | *does |
| 03:22.33 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: hmm? |
| 03:22.34 | JeffM2501 | it does? or are you just looking at DRI? |
| 03:22.54 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: ATI has Linux/PPC 3D accel |
| 03:22.54 | JeffM2501 | what mac is it? |
| 03:23.01 | a_monkey | model, you mean? |
| 03:23.03 | a_monkey | eMac. |
| 03:23.11 | JeffM2501 | what did they put in those? |
| 03:23.19 | a_monkey | ?? |
| 03:23.20 | JeffM2501 | what chipset? |
| 03:23.24 | shorty114 | what graphics card? |
| 03:23.28 | JeffM2501 | there is no card |
| 03:23.30 | a_monkey | nvidia geforce2 mx |
| 03:23.31 | JeffM2501 | it's an emac |
| 03:23.39 | JeffM2501 | then how would you use ATI on that chipset? |
| 03:23.49 | a_monkey | bbl |
| 03:23.52 | a_monkey | gotta eat dinner |
| 03:24.08 | JeffM2501 | ATI does NOT offer PPC drivers |
| 03:24.19 | JeffM2501 | just x86 and x86_64 |
| 03:24.25 | JeffM2501 | at least no on the drivers page |
| 03:24.45 | Legoguy | well they do make drivers for OS X correct? |
| 03:24.51 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 03:24.54 | JeffM2501 | but that is NOT PPC linux |
| 03:24.58 | JeffM2501 | not by a longshot |
| 03:25.28 | Legoguy | somewhat closer than windows x86 vs linux x86 ;) |
| 03:25.31 | JeffM2501 | and the emac ships with a ATI 9200 |
| 03:25.35 | JeffM2501 | not a GF2MX |
| 03:26.00 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy: it could also be said to be just as far away, since nether of them work. |
| 03:26.15 | Legoguy | lol true |
| 03:26.28 | Legoguy | wait |
| 03:26.32 | DTRemenak | Legoguy: technically, it's even farther away. OSX is microkernel, and uses object-oriented drivers. |
| 03:26.41 | DTRemenak | linux is monolithic and all in c |
| 03:26.45 | JeffM2501 | and dosn't even use X |
| 03:26.52 | Legoguy | yeah |
| 03:27.03 | JeffM2501 | so it's even the wrong API |
| 03:27.31 | DTRemenak | linux and osx are at least as different on the driver level, if not more so, than windows and linux |
| 03:27.42 | JeffM2501 | I wonder where the kids of today learn to lie |
| 03:28.09 | DTRemenak | userspace is much closer |
| 03:28.42 | Legoguy | are you implying that I lied? it was merely a misunderstanding of the topic at hand, and if it is not me who you are referencing... then I don't know :P |
| 03:28.58 | JeffM2501 | ohh no sorry |
| 03:28.59 | JeffM2501 | not you |
| 03:29.08 | JeffM2501 | totaly not you |
| 03:29.11 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: lack of corpal punishment. can't smack them when they lie, so there's no motivation not to. |
| 03:29.12 | Legoguy | ok :P |
| 03:29.26 | JeffM2501 | they must have very gullable perantals |
| 03:30.34 | DTRemenak | today's culture places more importance on being nice to your kids than raising them right. |
| 03:30.46 | Legoguy | pshh |
| 03:31.06 | JeffM2501 | all the original emac had a MX |
| 03:31.13 | Legoguy | i wish my parents were more strict with my sister |
| 03:31.17 | DTRemenak | it's the truth. personal responsibility isn't taken seriously any more. |
| 03:31.39 | JeffM2501 | the beatings will continue untill moralle improves! |
| 03:31.56 | JeffM2501 | means he has a 700mhz little g4 |
| 03:32.27 | Legoguy | i take it seriously, i was actually disciplined as I grew up.. but my sister wasn't... and she's got all sorts of mental "problems", can't take no for an answer, ets |
| 03:32.30 | Legoguy | etc* |
| 03:33.11 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak: do you want a baka domain? |
| 03:33.19 | JeffM2501 | so you don't have todo that IP crap? |
| 03:34.13 | Legoguy | heh. I remember when I had my IP memorized. Then I got DSL. |
| 03:34.35 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: big problem originally was that I never knew if they'd force an IP change on me. I've had the same one for almost six months now, so I'm not really worried anymore...I'll probably ask Tim for a bzflag.org subdomain. |
| 03:34.45 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 03:34.57 | DTRemenak | but thanks for the offer |
| 03:35.04 | JeffM2501 | cus I'm on no-ip.org, and you can run that tool that updates you. |
| 03:35.24 | JeffM2501 | nether ATI or nvidia have hardware support for PPC |
| 03:35.29 | JeffM2501 | so you'd be stuck with DRI |
| 03:35.34 | JeffM2501 | and I ain't going that route |
| 03:35.48 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: is the tool cross-platform? |
| 03:35.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:36.07 | JeffM2501 | they have nix, mac, and windows ones |
| 03:36.12 | JeffM2501 | sasami is running it now |
| 03:36.13 | DTRemenak | hm. that might be safer then. |
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| 03:42.38 | bryjen | DTRemenak: what lovely flat lines you have |
| 03:42.48 | DTRemenak | bryjen: why thank you :) |
| 03:42.48 | bryjen | oops, there's some activity |
| 03:42.56 | DTRemenak | only one server with players right now |
| 03:43.36 | bryjen | in the, uhm, "5 5 5 5 5 Minute Average" ?? |
| 03:43.57 | DTRemenak | uh, yeah. perl was complaining about that.... |
| 03:44.04 | DTRemenak | not my fault, I swear :) |
| 03:54.00 | JeffM2501 | wow aperantly I am someones hero |
| 03:54.14 | brlcad | the wind beneath my wings |
| 03:54.24 | Nivex | has the BZFlag::Info module on CPAN been updated to speak to the 2.0 servers yet? |
| 03:55.20 | JeffM2501 | brlcad: so I'm geting up at 7:30 to get one of those damned little buggers |
| 03:55.33 | brlcad | :) |
| 03:56.02 | JeffM2501 | and a spatula |
| 04:00.22 | bryjen | cooking breakfast on the heatsinks again? |
| 04:00.32 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 04:00.41 | JeffM2501 | a required tool for the ram upgrade on the mini |
| 04:00.51 | JeffM2501 | it's got no screws |
| 04:01.14 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:01.17 | bryjen | flipping DIMMs |
| 04:01.25 | JeffM2501 | just the case |
| 04:01.33 | DTRemenak | what exactly does apple have against screws? |
| 04:01.46 | JeffM2501 | maybe they are lose |
| 04:01.52 | JeffM2501 | so they couldn't put them in the case |
| 04:01.57 | Elspuddy | any one got some code so that a bzflag server restarts when it quits ?? |
| 04:02.22 | JeffM2501 | bzfs --help :) |
| 04:03.23 | Elspuddy | JeffM2501 : thorght bsflag had to run a sepert script to restart |
| 04:03.32 | Elspuddy | <-- wnats to get a few maps running |
| 04:03.51 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 04:03.57 | DTRemenak | Elspuddy: just put the server lines one after another and wrap them in a while loop |
| 04:04.04 | bryjen | the recent IBM ThinkThingies are low on screws too |
| 04:04.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:04.53 | Elspuddy | DTRemenak : you make it sound so easy ;) |
| 04:05.14 | JeffM2501 | bzflag itself dosn't have support for swaping maps, so you have to do it in scripting |
| 04:05.22 | Elspuddy | but i can bareley do basic:( |
| 04:05.22 | JeffM2501 | so that's what he's telling you |
| 04:05.52 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't change the fact that you'll still have to get it scripted |
| 04:06.01 | orchid | you can make 5 confs, serves one game each and do bzfs -conf $i.conf |
| 04:06.22 | orchid | I think |
| 04:06.27 | Elspuddy | yes, this i under stand, but i dont know how to script :( |
| 04:07.40 | orchid | Elspuddy: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/abs-guide/loops1.html |
| 04:08.45 | JeffM2501 | that's why they are helping you learn :) |
| 04:09.48 | orchid | 50 / 10 and 50 * .10 is the same to gcc right? |
| 04:10.04 | orchid | if result is of type float |
| 04:10.06 | DTRemenak | Elspuddy: "while true; do <linebreak> <insert all your bzflag commands here on separate lines> <linebreak> done |
| 04:11.24 | DTRemenak | orchid: it should optimize both of them down to the same operation, yes |
| 04:13.58 | brlcad | they're both static in that example so they should optimize to a constant with any -O level |
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| 04:27.33 | MeBigFatGuy | well, actually not |
| 04:27.39 | MeBigFatGuy | 50/10 is 0 |
| 04:27.49 | MeBigFatGuy | whereas 50 * .10 is 5.0 |
| 04:27.57 | MeBigFatGuy | er, 50/10 is 5 |
| 04:28.05 | brlcad | heh, doh |
| 04:28.09 | brlcad | damn ints |
| 04:28.20 | DTRemenak | 50.0f / 10.0f is 5.0f though :) |
| 04:28.25 | MeBigFatGuy | yup |
| 04:33.13 | bryjen | "if result is of type float", so 50/10=5 cast to float is 5.0f ? |
| 04:34.52 | trepan | bryjen: yup |
| 04:35.58 | DTRemenak | trepan: which fan? :) |
| 04:36.17 | trepan | i think it's the pci bridge chip's fan, haven't bothered xref'ing the part # |
| 04:36.47 | trepan | have the case open too, doesn't help |
| 04:37.39 | JeffM2501 | heaven costs 10$ to get in |
| 04:37.46 | trepan | $2 to remember stuff if you get back though ;) |
| 04:37.54 | JeffM2501 | totaly! |
| 04:39.27 | trepan | hm, poked around with a screwdriver, seems much better now |
| 04:39.35 | JeffM2501 | "and that makes you.... A gay robot..." |
| 04:40.25 | trepan | why don't you write that up in a memo, and call it "Sh** I Already Know!" |
| 04:40.35 | JeffM2501 | love that line |
| 04:41.15 | trepan | dang, screwdriver didn't really help |
| 04:41.37 | JeffM2501 | be sure to get all the PSA's too |
| 04:44.35 | trepan | ya lost me there |
| 04:44.59 | JeffM2501 | there are ones that are not episodes |
| 04:45.03 | JeffM2501 | they are PSA's |
| 04:45.09 | JeffM2501 | "public service annoucements" |
| 04:45.30 | trepan | ah, i see the light |
| 04:46.36 | trepan | that's it, enough, i'm getting a new comp |
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| 04:52.08 | a_monkey | i get a no sdl_config found error when i have sdl_config installed in /usr/bin |
| 04:52.18 | a_monkey | can anybody help? |
| 04:52.50 | JeffM2501 | did you install sdl dev or runtime? |
| 04:53.17 | a_monkey | i installed sdl-1.2.8 from source |
| 04:53.28 | JeffM2501 | did you build it? |
| 04:53.45 | a_monkey | yea |
| 04:53.52 | JeffM2501 | and did it install the framework? |
| 04:54.01 | a_monkey | it installed everything i build |
| 04:54.04 | a_monkey | *built |
| 04:54.15 | JeffM2501 | then it config should find it |
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| 04:54.21 | JeffM2501 | unless your path is jacked again |
| 04:54.32 | a_monkey | well it found g++, etdc |
| 04:54.36 | a_monkey | *etc |
| 04:54.46 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 04:54.56 | JeffM2501 | gcc is not sdl |
| 04:55.19 | a_monkey | but gcc resides in the same directory sdl does |
| 04:55.21 | trepan | is it sdl_config or sdl-config ? |
| 04:55.22 | a_monkey | /usr/bin |
| 04:55.32 | JeffM2501 | that is a path |
| 04:55.34 | a_monkey | sdl-config |
| 04:55.54 | JeffM2501 | then that path is not in your path |
| 04:56.12 | a_monkey | if it's not, config wouldn't have found g++ either |
| 04:56.39 | JeffM2501 | if it was, then it would have found sdl-config |
| 04:56.46 | a_monkey | well then... |
| 04:56.54 | a_monkey | how do i put it in my path? |
| 04:57.01 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 04:57.02 | a_monkey | same ol' way? |
| 04:57.09 | JeffM2501 | how did you fix your path last time? |
| 04:57.45 | JeffM2501 | now why would you build from source? and not just install sdl-devl via something like fink? |
| 04:59.37 | a_monkey | sometimes rebooting solves these problems |
| 04:59.39 | a_monkey | lemme try that |
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| 05:03.57 | a_monkey | ughh! |
| 05:03.59 | a_monkey | this is insane! |
| 05:04.05 | a_monkey | stupid computer is blind!! |
| 05:04.06 | JeffM2501 | no it's not |
| 05:04.12 | a_monkey | ok |
| 05:04.17 | JeffM2501 | it only knows what you tell it |
| 05:04.17 | a_monkey | then how do i solve it? |
| 05:04.42 | a_monkey | i gave PATH the right value, i even made SDL_CONFIG=/usr/bin ... |
| 05:04.44 | a_monkey | what else? |
| 05:04.47 | JeffM2501 | when you built sdl, did it you do a make install? |
| 05:04.53 | a_monkey | yes |
| 05:05.03 | JeffM2501 | did you do it sudo? |
| 05:05.09 | JeffM2501 | so it woudl actualy work? |
| 05:05.13 | a_monkey | when i look in /usr/bin there is something called "sdl-config" |
| 05:05.26 | JeffM2501 | ok, then config isn't looking in there |
| 05:05.28 | a_monkey | and yes, i did "sudo make install" |
| 05:05.38 | JeffM2501 | I allways used fink |
| 05:05.40 | JeffM2501 | so dono |
| 05:05.51 | JeffM2501 | I'd check with the sdl people |
| 05:09.30 | trepan | a_monkey: what does 'sdl-config --version' do for you? (type it in the root bzflag/ dir) |
| 05:10.03 | a_monkey | trepan: 1.2.8 |
| 05:10.26 | trepan | ok, if you typed it in the right dir, then it is in your path |
| 05:10.41 | a_monkey | yes, it definately is |
| 05:10.45 | trepan | have you tried to redo the ./autogen.sh ? |
| 05:10.52 | a_monkey | hmm no |
| 05:10.53 | JeffM2501 | then config would find it |
| 05:11.04 | a_monkey | thankyou! |
| 05:11.19 | JeffM2501 | did that even work? |
| 05:11.32 | a_monkey | it's generating the configure file right now... |
| 05:11.38 | trepan | ya, i wouldn't thank me quite yet :) |
| 05:11.46 | a_monkey | heh |
| 05:11.52 | a_monkey | jeez, i hope this works |
| 05:12.13 | JeffM2501 | don't hope, think and find out what is wrong |
| 05:12.37 | trepan | ~dict snippy |
| 05:12.42 | trepan | didn't think so |
| 05:13.04 | a_monkey | ah! |
| 05:13.07 | a_monkey | YES! |
| 05:13.15 | a_monkey | trepan, you're a genius! :) |
| 05:13.28 | trepan | not really, just bored |
| 05:13.47 | JeffM2501 | well that should have been the first thing you tried after changing your configuration |
| 05:14.09 | a_monkey | i'll remember that... |
| 05:14.25 | stargate | a_monkey: if he is, then you just pointed out the very obvious to him |
| 05:14.37 | JeffM2501 | did you install curl and the other libs you need |
| 05:14.44 | a_monkey | do i have to install Mac OS X's X11 to run bz, btw? |
| 05:14.51 | trepan | don't think so |
| 05:14.53 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: yea |
| 05:14.55 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 05:14.58 | a_monkey | thx |
| 05:15.01 | stargate | ehh, all this blebber is about a mac build? |
| 05:15.02 | JeffM2501 | if you did how would the binary run |
| 05:15.06 | JeffM2501 | also why are you building? |
| 05:15.18 | stargate | you need to install the libsdl mac os x framework if you wanna build right now |
| 05:15.21 | JeffM2501 | why not just use the regular build? |
| 05:15.25 | trepan | you have one of those 2.0 crashing macs? |
| 05:15.34 | JeffM2501 | stargate: he just did |
| 05:15.38 | a_monkey | i'm building a weird edited version of bz... don't worry i'm not programming a cheat client or anything... :) |
| 05:15.51 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 05:15.54 | JeffM2501 | who made it? |
| 05:15.57 | a_monkey | me |
| 05:15.59 | trepan | what's the edit? |
| 05:16.09 | stargate | the framework, not the libraries and not from sdl source -- there is no sdl-config to find/use either |
| 05:16.10 | trepan | anything worth posting a patch for? |
| 05:16.11 | trepan | :) |
| 05:16.12 | JeffM2501 | what did you change? |
| 05:16.20 | a_monkey | gives me strange messages |
| 05:16.30 | trepan | from the great beyond? |
| 05:16.34 | JeffM2501 | for?...... |
| 05:16.38 | trepan | heck, that'd be worth money |
| 05:16.57 | trepan | it'd be like, well, Church |
| 05:17.09 | JeffM2501 | or the coven |
| 05:17.13 | a_monkey | but nothing worth posting a patch for |
| 05:17.28 | a_monkey | it just impresses dumb friends that don't even know bz is open-source |
| 05:17.29 | JeffM2501 | what messages does it make "strange"? |
| 05:17.35 | JeffM2501 | did you just edit the killed by messages? |
| 05:17.46 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: those, and more |
| 05:18.25 | JeffM2501 | "I'm sorry I can't hear you over your constant teamkilling" |
| 05:18.43 | a_monkey | where'd *that* come from? |
| 05:18.52 | JeffM2501 | the internet |
| 05:19.18 | a_monkey | well, that sounds kinda weird |
| 05:19.30 | JeffM2501 | no, not realy |
| 05:19.41 | JeffM2501 | sounds normal to me |
| 05:19.45 | JeffM2501 | trepan? normal to you? |
| 05:20.18 | a_monkey | is it me, or do my builds seem to run slower than the binaries?? |
| 05:20.40 | JeffM2501 | how can we know? we don't have your builds |
| 05:20.47 | a_monkey | seems like if anything, my builds would be faster |
| 05:20.48 | JeffM2501 | or even know what setings you used |
| 05:20.55 | JeffM2501 | why would they be? |
| 05:21.15 | a_monkey | just was wondering if somehow... |
| 05:21.18 | a_monkey | never mind |
| 05:21.25 | JeffM2501 | somehow what? |
| 05:21.31 | JeffM2501 | what optimisations did you do? |
| 05:21.42 | a_monkey | optimisations? |
| 05:21.47 | a_monkey | whazzat mean? |
| 05:21.49 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 05:22.00 | JeffM2501 | things you did to optimise your application |
| 05:22.02 | a_monkey | what optimisations? |
| 05:22.05 | JeffM2501 | to make it run faster |
| 05:22.09 | a_monkey | i don't think anything, really |
| 05:22.14 | a_monkey | no optimisations |
| 05:22.16 | JeffM2501 | so then you did none |
| 05:22.21 | a_monkey | none |
| 05:22.24 | JeffM2501 | ok then if you did none |
| 05:22.25 | a_monkey | how can i do some? |
| 05:22.28 | JeffM2501 | and the binarys have any |
| 05:22.32 | JeffM2501 | then they would be faster |
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| 05:22.43 | JeffM2501 | they would be options on your compiler |
| 05:22.54 | a_monkey | ah |
| 05:23.05 | a_monkey | do the binaries have any optimisations? |
| 05:23.13 | trepan | JeffM2501: completely normal, was just absorbed in it |
| 05:23.26 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 05:23.33 | JeffM2501 | probalby a_monkey |
| 05:23.51 | JeffM2501 | PINK!!!!! |
| 05:24.08 | a_monkey | anybody know how to optomize bz's compilation? |
| 05:24.21 | JeffM2501 | -03 |
| 05:24.21 | MrApathyCream | turn on some switches |
| 05:24.26 | a_monkey | how? |
| 05:24.29 | JeffM2501 | or O3 |
| 05:24.37 | JeffM2501 | edit your config |
| 05:24.41 | JeffM2501 | and turn on the ones you want |
| 05:24.50 | JeffM2501 | honestly, it's a bit out of your leauge |
| 05:25.42 | a_monkey | out of my leauge? |
| 05:25.47 | a_monkey | what does that mean? |
| 05:26.09 | JeffM2501 | over your head |
| 05:26.18 | a_monkey | which configuration file, though? |
| 05:26.20 | JeffM2501 | you don't even know what optimisaions are |
| 05:26.31 | JeffM2501 | so how you decide what ones to do? |
| 05:26.33 | a_monkey | well, not via bz anyway :) |
| 05:26.39 | JeffM2501 | it's not a bz thing |
| 05:26.42 | a_monkey | by you telling me :) |
| 05:26.45 | JeffM2501 | it's a C++ compile thing |
| 05:26.53 | a_monkey | whatever :p |
| 05:26.56 | JeffM2501 | I think this is the point where you need to learn for your own |
| 05:27.04 | a_monkey | how though? |
| 05:27.08 | JeffM2501 | the interent |
| 05:27.08 | a_monkey | out of magic? |
| 05:27.12 | a_monkey | k |
| 05:27.13 | JeffM2501 | by doing research |
| 05:27.15 | DTRemenak | a_monkey: man gcc |
| 05:27.21 | a_monkey | thx |
| 05:27.24 | JeffM2501 | google c++ tutorials |
| 05:27.30 | stargate | a_monkey: so figure it out, read the manuals, stop asking for people to hold your hand |
| 05:27.43 | JeffM2501 | think for yourslef for once |
| 05:28.56 | a_monkey | g2g to bed |
| 05:28.59 | a_monkey | gnight all |
| 05:29.18 | stargate | too patient with him |
| 05:29.32 | JeffM2501 | I weep for the future |
| 05:29.33 | stargate | i've tried to help him before (and have told him lots of this before) |
| 05:29.38 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 05:29.39 | stargate | i wasn't going to both this time |
| 05:29.47 | stargate | bother |
| 05:29.57 | JeffM2501 | when they turn 20 there is going to be a spike in the homless population |
| 05:30.32 | stargate | hopefully i'll be in upper management or retirement by then |
| 05:32.32 | JeffM2501 | 12 |
| 05:32.44 | JeffM2501 | it's not just the bugging |
| 05:32.57 | JeffM2501 | it's the fact that they are so used to geting everything spoon feed |
| 05:33.03 | JeffM2501 | they realy can't do much for themselves |
| 05:33.09 | JeffM2501 | I think they get TOO much attention |
| 05:33.59 | JBdiGriz | Probably not from the parental units. |
| 05:34.21 | JeffM2501 | I think it's homeschool |
| 05:34.42 | JeffM2501 | not that all homeschool is bad, just that many parents just arn't good teachers. |
| 05:34.48 | JBdiGriz | Most homeschooled kids I've run into are pretty self-sufficient. |
| 05:35.04 | JeffM2501 | I've seen some that arn't |
| 05:35.10 | JeffM2501 | mum just gives them all the answers |
| 05:35.37 | JeffM2501 | it probably depends on the famialy environment |
| 05:35.48 | JBdiGriz | That could be, but it's not my experience so far. |
| 05:35.58 | JeffM2501 | I would want my kids to be smarter then me, so I'm going to send em to somone who can teach em up good :) |
| 05:36.24 | JeffM2501 | maybe we are better at it over here on the west |
| 05:36.30 | JBdiGriz | My kids are smarter than me. I can still help them with their homework, but I don't know how long that will last. |
| 05:36.40 | JeffM2501 | the ones I talked to that seemed lax wer from the middle and south |
| 05:44.33 | MrApathyCream | poor guy running bz on dual zeons can't get it to work :) |
| 05:45.17 | Pizbit_ | hahaha |
| 05:45.21 | JeffM2501 | "your computer is too fast.. please send it to the development team for testing" |
| 05:45.33 | MeBigFatGuy | almost replied that way :) |
| 05:46.03 | Pizbit | Can't code, but I'll take the machine... |
| 05:46.33 | JeffM2501 | you can have the filty intel machines |
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| 05:54.58 | JBdiGriz | uh-oh, he's starting to insult the "other" micro processors. |
| 05:55.39 | Pizbit | JeffM2501: I prefer amd myself, but it's still a nicely powered machine. |
| 05:55.58 | purple_cow | obviously you've never heard of ``a20'' |
| 05:56.04 | JeffM2501 | BURN THEM! |
| 05:56.34 | shorty114 | o.o |
| 05:56.35 | bryjen | toaster need to lurk in here for a bit |
| 05:57.00 | JeffM2501 | trepan: yeah I stoped in the begining of season 2 |
| 05:57.12 | JeffM2501 | trepan: not so bad are they? :) |
| 05:57.40 | trepan | strangely amusing... :) |
| 05:57.51 | JeffM2501 | it's good writing that does it |
| 05:58.20 | trepan | ew, 360kB/s is nice too |
| 05:58.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah they got a bit of a faster pipe then I do |
| 05:58.56 | JeffM2501 | tho they only do high res for pay users |
| 05:59.22 | trepan | yup, figure they were sniped ;) |
| 05:59.43 | bryjen | hrm. somebody got tk-kicked and the server stopped :( |
| 06:01.30 | JeffM2501 | the DVD looks realy good |
| 06:04.36 | DTRemenak | bryjen: probably another case of an unprotected getPlayerByIndex |
| 06:20.15 | trepan | JeffM2501: that tree prefab usin' the noculling/nosorting/alphathresh junk? |
| 06:20.27 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 06:20.35 | JeffM2501 | figured that was too complex for them |
| 06:20.35 | trepan | makes it much nicer looking / faster |
| 06:20.46 | JeffM2501 | they would not be able to wrap thier minds around it |
| 06:20.56 | JeffM2501 | it woudl burn and sting |
| 06:20.59 | JeffM2501 | at the same time |
| 06:21.09 | trepan | heh, the beauty is, they wouldn't have to |
| 06:21.23 | trepan | but it works just fine with me :) |
| 06:21.28 | JeffM2501 | no no, they don't teach about culling in high school |
| 06:21.45 | JBdiGriz | Should I see tread marks from a cloaked tank? I was following as an observer. |
| 06:21.48 | JeffM2501 | I had made that before you finished those features |
| 06:22.10 | trepan | JBdiGriz: yup, that's an intentional feature |
| 06:22.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: don't crash after kicking someone for tk'ing |
| 06:22.30 | trepan | Made those features cause of your tree :) |
| 06:22.36 | DTRemenak | bryjen: that should stop that. |
| 06:22.42 | JBdiGriz | Doesn't that make cloaking less useful if you know where the tank is? |
| 06:22.51 | trepan | JBdiGriz: don't move |
| 06:22.57 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 06:23.05 | JeffM2501 | drive casual |
| 06:23.08 | trepan | if the server ops really don't like it, they can turn tracks off |
| 06:23.08 | JBdiGriz | :D |
| 06:23.09 | JeffM2501 | and right behind somone else |
| 06:23.36 | trepan | plus, CL would be godlike on radar disabled worlds |
| 06:23.43 | bryjen | treadmarks get lost abit on dark ground |
| 06:23.56 | SilverFox | ~hepcat.tybox.net:5155 |
| 06:23.59 | trepan | and really, the only thing CL is good for is to kill L |
| 06:24.10 | JBdiGriz | Let's see, if I don't move I'm a sitting duck on radar. If I do move people can see where my tank is. I suspect CL won't be a terribly popular flag in 2.0. |
| 06:24.26 | DTRemenak | JBdiGriz: you can still jump :) |
| 06:24.33 | SilverFox | CL should cloak tracks too. |
| 06:24.36 | SilverFox | CL + WG |
| 06:24.54 | trepan | SilverFox: this discussion was had a couple of months ago |
| 06:25.11 | bryjen | CL is still good against L. Let 'em shoot laser at your tracks all they want :) |
| 06:25.21 | trepan | as i said, if server ops don't like it, turn the tracks off |
| 06:25.26 | SilverFox | trepan, what?!? I didn't see the memo! hmph. |
| 06:25.52 | bryjen | or to aviod laser rico hell |
| 06:26.43 | trepan | JBdiGriz: next time around, you can stick in a boolean option |
| 06:26.58 | trepan | cause ya know, you can never have too many options |
| 06:27.04 | trepan | ... one sec, is that right? |
| 06:27.09 | JeffM2501 | trepan: updatin tree zip now to do the new things |
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| 06:27.35 | ViPeR | sup peeps |
| 06:27.36 | trepan | JeffM2501: only on the leaves mat, right? |
| 06:27.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:27.43 | trepan | cool |
| 06:28.31 | JeffM2501 | how long till you think one of them posts something? |
| 06:29.16 | trepan | ah, pretty sure he's tried the 3ds one |
| 06:29.34 | trepan | i posted a win exe on bzbb a while back at his request |
| 06:29.46 | trepan | no wonder he was disheartened :) |
| 06:30.51 | JeffM2501 | well he has those advanced degrees in math and comptuer science |
| 06:30.55 | JeffM2501 | he could not build them? |
| 06:31.49 | JeffM2501 | I should tell them I'll make them a new bzedit if they pay for 3 weeks of my work time |
| 06:32.06 | MadJoker | that would be cool if there flamethower flag that make your tank shot out fire |
| 06:32.12 | MadJoker | heh |
| 06:32.20 | JeffM2501 | there isn't damage in bzflag, so what would be the point? |
| 06:32.29 | JeffM2501 | it would be the same as shockwave |
| 06:32.34 | JeffM2501 | just with a small radius |
| 06:32.40 | JeffM2501 | since you'd die when you hit it |
| 06:32.55 | MadJoker | what about a ball of fire |
| 06:33.06 | JeffM2501 | again the same as shockwave |
| 06:33.17 | JeffM2501 | or a bullet |
| 06:33.22 | JeffM2501 | you'd die when you hit it |
| 06:33.29 | MadJoker | i know |
| 06:33.35 | MadJoker | i been playing it |
| 06:33.37 | JeffM2501 | why not just shoot a bullet |
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| 06:33.46 | Croooow | hi |
| 06:33.51 | MadJoker | i go by the name of viper in the game |
| 06:33.56 | bryjen | i'd think flamethrower would have a short stream of fire. be more like machine gun. |
| 06:34.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:34.15 | JeffM2501 | it offers no real advantage or dissadvanage over MG or SW |
| 06:34.21 | bryjen | still, it'd be mostly just a different visual effect |
| 06:34.26 | JeffM2501 | that it would be |
| 06:34.34 | JeffM2501 | but an effect a game play change should not make |
| 06:34.36 | trepan | JeffM2501: nice billboard |
| 06:34.46 | JeffM2501 | trepan: it's total crap |
| 06:34.52 | JeffM2501 | the lights are all out of alignmnet |
| 06:34.58 | trepan | there's that... |
| 06:35.04 | JeffM2501 | but the cone effect came out rather cool :) |
| 06:35.19 | JeffM2501 | I'll probalby update it later |
| 06:35.22 | trepan | and then while_xxx gradient didn't load, there's an odd character in there |
| 06:35.25 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to put the lights at top |
| 06:35.31 | JeffM2501 | realy? |
| 06:35.36 | MadJoker | would this be a good idea "you can hold 2 flag like WG and GM" ? |
| 06:35.38 | trepan | would i lie? :) |
| 06:36.01 | JeffM2501 | MadJoker: no, it's been discused and denied |
| 06:36.04 | trepan | but the lighting switch during sunset does look nice |
| 06:36.07 | JeffM2501 | the game and interface dosn't suppor it |
| 06:36.21 | MadJoker | oh |
| 06:36.21 | JeffM2501 | shoot the board and night, the round "glows" change color |
| 06:36.31 | JeffM2501 | the billboard is set to have emisive so it dosn't |
| 06:36.44 | MadJoker | ok |
| 06:36.52 | JeffM2501 | ahh there is a bonus |
| 06:37.00 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.15 | trepan | i was wondering why you didn't throw a little emissive in there |
| 06:37.26 | JeffM2501 | did on the board, shoudl on the glows too |
| 06:37.38 | trepan | ah, specular, not emissive |
| 06:37.57 | JeffM2501 | should have done them all |
| 06:38.05 | trepan | specular lighting is pretty weak in bz, is really warranted (setup is lousy) |
| 06:38.25 | JeffM2501 | hmm, looks like it didn't save it |
| 06:38.37 | trepan | modeltool doesn't do emissive |
| 06:39.06 | JeffM2501 | realy? |
| 06:39.13 | JeffM2501 | oh only shine |
| 06:39.23 | trepan | yup, and that's only for specular, iirc |
| 06:40.03 | JeffM2501 | maybe the ruskies will fix that |
| 06:40.11 | trepan | heh |
| 06:41.00 | trepan | http://zoo.cs.yale.edu/classes/cs490/00-01a/mcnamara.antoine.amm43/mtl.html |
| 06:41.08 | trepan | a quick MTL spec, no emission |
| 06:41.18 | JeffM2501 | that would be why |
| 06:59.57 | JeffM2501 | time for teh sleep |
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| 11:07.10 | mmu_man | wow, who touched the whole cvs since last week |
| 11:26.45 | mmu_man | checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.5... no |
| 11:26.52 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.52 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.54 | mmu_man | joy |
| 11:28.14 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.25 | mmu_man | WTF has an X11 header to do with SDL ? |
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| 12:12.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/BUGS: font texture filtering migh tbe ok, there have been changes. Wait and see if there are any new complaints |
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| 12:33.11 | mmu_man | oh, looked at the wrong line in config.log |
| 12:35.36 | mmu_man | crap, had 2 sdl-config and 2 broken |
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| 12:47.01 | mmu_man | checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.5... yes |
| 12:47.08 | mmu_man | now I don't want SDL by default... |
| 12:49.16 | Crko | how can you make wings jump more times in the air |
| 12:49.19 | Crko | you know |
| 12:49.28 | Crko | when you jump and you can jump again |
| 12:49.34 | Crko | how can you make this in the bzfs? |
| 12:50.24 | Crko | is there a variable? |
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| 13:14.50 | Chestal | Crko: type /set and look for somethign liek wingsjumpcount or so |
| 13:16.20 | Crko | ok thanks |
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| 13:49.24 | JaviMadrid | Problems with BZ 2.0 freezing on starting (rigt-clicking to play). Both Linux and Win XP. Any help? |
| 13:56.56 | JaviMadrid | help, please? |
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| 14:45.50 | ski | hi all |
| 14:46.45 | ski | it is snowin like crazy out there today! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:47.17 | orchid | hey ski |
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| 14:49.39 | ski | hi rochid :) |
| 14:49.50 | snowy | heh |
| 14:50.12 | ski | nhi snowy! |
| 14:50.24 | snowy | nhi! |
| 14:50.36 | ski | i cant wait to go skiin |
| 15:00.26 | Pimpinella | yo ski |
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| 15:31.39 | tuxipuxi | hi |
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| 15:32.50 | tuxipuxi | just upgraded to 2.0 and i'm wondering why jumping behaves so strange here... when i jump, i hear a "boom" sound and when i'm back on the ground again, the tank just jumps again even if i don't press anything.. this happens sometimes but not always, could somebody explain to me please? |
| 15:34.00 | Saturos | maybe you grabbed Bouncy flag... |
| 15:34.21 | tuxipuxi | no, i've had no flag |
| 15:34.53 | Saturos | maybe your jumping-buttons does not lift up correctly. try to put jumping on another button. :D |
| 15:35.17 | tuxipuxi | hmmmm :) |
| 15:35.42 | tuxipuxi | "weather (rain, snow, frogs)" do you know a server with a map that uses such features? |
| 15:36.13 | Saturos | rain is used quite often... snow I saw a few times. |
| 15:36.33 | Saturos | Check that rain and mirror is activated in your Effect-Options |
| 15:36.58 | tuxipuxi | ok thanks |
| 15:37.28 | Saturos | np |
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| 15:44.25 | tuxipuxi | other key doesn't help ;) |
| 15:45.39 | Chestal | tuxipuxi: on what OS? |
| 15:45.59 | tuxipuxi | linux |
| 15:46.06 | Pimpinella | tuxipuxi: pimpi.org:5158 uses rain |
| 15:46.17 | Pimpinella | it's not listed though |
| 15:46.20 | mcglass | hi I'm trying for the first time to run a linux server and my son connect to it |
| 15:46.30 | tuxipuxi | Pimpinella: ok thanks |
| 15:46.51 | mcglass | he has windows version and gets a message wrong version when he tries to connect to my ip |
| 15:47.08 | mcglass | is that normal ? |
| 15:47.15 | orchid | hi mcglass, the client and server must be the same version |
| 15:47.16 | Pimpinella | then he has a wrong version... |
| 15:47.36 | Pimpinella | at least the same major release |
| 15:47.42 | mcglass | i updated fc2 bzflag and it said latest version |
| 15:48.00 | Pimpinella | fc2 = |
| 15:48.03 | Pimpinella | fc2 ? |
| 15:48.09 | mcglass | is the windows 32 realease that is on sourceforge later than fc2 port ? |
| 15:48.13 | orchid | fedora |
| 15:48.15 | mcglass | fedora core 2 |
| 15:48.20 | Pimpinella | ic |
| 15:48.26 | MadJoker | sup Pimpinella remmber me |
| 15:48.31 | orchid | mcglass: bzfs -v |
| 15:48.42 | orchid | whats that say on the linux box? |
| 15:48.46 | MadJoker | i was here by the nick of viper |
| 15:48.51 | mcglass | BZFlag server 1.10.6.20040518-RELEASE-linux-gnu (protocol 1910) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 15:48.57 | mcglass | need a newer one then |
| 15:49.02 | orchid | yep |
| 15:49.08 | Pimpinella | you want probably both client and server version 2.0.x |
| 15:49.14 | mcglass | ok |
| 15:49.16 | Pimpinella | MadJoker: yeah, i remember |
| 15:49.17 | mcglass | cheers |
| 15:50.04 | MadJoker | i found out viper was reg to some one els so i go by my other nick madjoker |
| 15:50.20 | Pimpinella | yeah |
| 15:50.51 | MadJoker | but i still go by viper in the game |
| 15:51.16 | Pimpinella | yeah, though you cant on my servers |
| 15:51.30 | MadJoker | ? |
| 15:51.50 | Pimpinella | playing as ViPeR, correct? |
| 15:51.52 | MadJoker | oh i had some one here to help me |
| 15:51.58 | MadJoker | yes |
| 15:52.23 | MadJoker | i findly had some one here help me to get bzflag to run |
| 15:52.44 | Pimpinella | the nick viper is owned by another player using that callsign there |
| 15:53.14 | Pimpinella | so it's running for you now? |
| 15:53.22 | MadJoker | yep |
| 15:53.26 | Pimpinella | fine |
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| 15:58.02 | mcglass | do I need to delete the old one or anything first or can I apply rpm over it ? |
| 15:58.03 | Pimpinella | is waterLevel global to the whole map or can i have a water locally, in a bassin e.g.? |
| 15:58.25 | mcglass | I think I'll delete it first |
| 15:58.37 | Pimpinella | mcglass: you should be able to just upgrade it |
| 15:59.13 | Pimpinella | using -u iirc |
| 15:59.53 | mcglass | I think I'll type "yum uninstall bzflag" and then install the rpm |
| 16:00.36 | Pimpinella | dunno yum |
| 16:00.43 | jpa- | Pimpinella: waterlevel is global |
| 16:00.56 | jpa- | Pimpinella: but you can have water with eg. meshbox |
| 16:01.16 | jpa- | Pimpinella: water on my map "ocean" is made with boxes and textures |
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| 16:03.00 | Pimpinella | jpa-: can you give me the map? (or is it running somewhere?) |
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| 16:08.25 | mcglass | any idea what this means |
| 16:08.27 | mcglass | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.27 | mcglass | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.13 | Tupone | mcglass, do you have libcurl on your system? |
| 16:09.40 | mcglass | I'll have a look I think I've been here before |
| 16:10.01 | mcglass | /usr/lib/libcurl.so.2.0.2 |
| 16:10.48 | Tupone | try to see if openssl package is there |
| 16:11.07 | mcglass | not sure how to do that exactly |
| 16:11.28 | mcglass | /usr/include/openssl |
| 16:11.36 | Tupone | you are on fedora core 3? |
| 16:11.42 | mcglass | 2 |
| 16:12.09 | Tupone | you have to find a package called openssl I guess |
| 16:12.21 | mcglass | I tried 3 on another pc but something like this happened when I tried to install icecast |
| 16:14.23 | mcglass | do I need or not need something ? I'm quite happy to delete stuff. this pc is not doing anything els e at the moment |
| 16:14.50 | Tupone | you have to rpm -i openssl-something |
| 16:15.19 | mcglass | I've got /usr/include/openssl |
| 16:15.58 | mcglass | /usr/bin/openssl |
| 16:16.08 | Tupone | and libssl.so ? |
| 16:16.26 | Tupone | probably on /usr/lib/ |
| 16:16.38 | mcglass | /lib/libssl.so.4 |
| 16:16.39 | mcglass | /lib/libssl.so.0.9.7a |
| 16:16.39 | mcglass | /usr/lib/libssl.so |
| 16:16.53 | Tupone | not 2 then |
| 16:17.21 | mcglass | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.38 | Tupone | try to ln -sf /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7a libssl.so.2 :/ |
| 16:18.01 | mcglass | what's f do ? |
| 16:18.14 | Tupone | you can just use -s |
| 16:18.24 | mcglass | too late :) |
| 16:18.43 | mcglass | so try to install the rpm ? |
| 16:18.56 | Tupone | yeah, and see the error |
| 16:19.02 | Tupone | I suppose now you just get one |
| 16:19.20 | mcglass | hang on |
| 16:19.49 | mcglass | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.49 | mcglass | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.07 | Tupone | can you install from source ? |
| 16:20.50 | mcglass | I'll have ago would it have more chance of success |
| 16:21.27 | mcglass | any options for configure I'm not very good at this |
| 16:21.41 | Tupone | I can follow more the source installation. This is my way of install. |
| 16:21.54 | jpa- | yup, source should work |
| 16:22.03 | snowy | DTRemenak: ping |
| 16:22.03 | jpa- | that debian package is for unstable, i think |
| 16:22.03 | mcglass | ok |
| 16:23.02 | Pimpinella | i could provide woody packages if needed |
| 16:23.14 | Pimpinella | without sdl, though |
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| 16:24.48 | Pimpinella | need_pizza: prolly on #pizza ? |
| 16:25.13 | need_pizza | what a cruel joke.. nobody's there |
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| 16:25.20 | Pimpinella | ;) |
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| 16:27.43 | Tupone | mcglass, no option on configure, for now |
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| 16:45.43 | a_monkey | cxxflags is an environment var, right? |
| 16:45.53 | Pimpinella | --program-suffix="2" feels handy to me |
| 16:46.20 | Pimpinella | CXXFLAGS, yeah |
| 16:46.30 | a_monkey | thx |
| 16:46.52 | a_monkey | i must specify the CXXFLAGS var before running the configure script, as i understand it? |
| 16:47.19 | Pimpinella | no, the configure script shuld set it for you |
| 16:47.54 | a_monkey | so after the configure script is run, i set CXXFLAGS? |
| 16:48.15 | Pimpinella | you shouldn't have to set it manually |
| 16:48.32 | a_monkey | i'm optimizing my build |
| 16:48.50 | jpa- | -O6 didnt give good results :) |
| 16:49.15 | a_monkey | i'm planning on using -O3, -march, and -mcpu |
| 16:50.12 | a_monkey | so i do this after the configure script: export CXXFLAGS="-O3 -march=bla -mcpu=bla" ? |
| 16:50.25 | jpa- | it might work |
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| 16:51.21 | a_monkey | hmm |
| 16:51.28 | a_monkey | i gotta be sure it'll work |
| 16:51.41 | Pimpinella | give it a try |
| 16:51.52 | a_monkey | how do i know if it worked? |
| 16:52.13 | Pimpinella | watch the compile lines after make |
| 16:52.33 | Pimpinella | your flags shold be in there |
| 16:52.36 | a_monkey | k |
| 16:52.37 | a_monkey | thx |
| 16:54.19 | Pimpinella | a_monkey: try this: |
| 16:54.56 | Pimpinella | make CXXFLAGS="your stuff" |
| 16:55.08 | a_monkey | thx |
| 17:01.31 | Tupone | CXXFLAGS="-O3 -march=k8" configure |
| 17:02.38 | Pho-enix | hello guys |
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| 17:13.48 | a_monkey | so, by default, -O3 is not enabled? |
| 17:17.23 | SilverFox | is there a way to share bandb easily between servers in 2.0? |
| 17:19.48 | Tupone | a_monkey, is not enabled by default, is enabled if you do that kind of configure |
| 17:20.01 | Tupone | that is just an example |
| 17:21.10 | shorty114 | SilverFox: make them use the same file? |
| 17:23.20 | Tupone | SilverFox, there is a master ban too |
| 17:25.58 | [dmp] | is there a newer version of bzflag available (newer then my.bzflag.org/builds/) for debian? Or am i supposed to use cvs? :) |
| 17:26.02 | SilverFox | shorty114, different servers, and since bzfs doesn't seem to read the file except at launch, that's not all that effective. |
| 17:26.16 | SilverFox | how do you change number of jumps for WG? |
| 17:26.34 | trepan | SilverFox: /reload does nothing for bans? |
| 17:26.41 | *** part/#bzflag cosmos (~cosmos@valentino.hepcat.org) |
| 17:26.45 | SilverFox | trepan, I don't know what /reload does. |
| 17:26.48 | SilverFox | new feature? |
| 17:26.57 | Tupone | I don't think someone has updated builds, All builds are 2.0.0 |
| 17:27.01 | SilverFox | reloads all text files w/out restarting the server? |
| 17:27.28 | trepan | nope, not for bans i gues |
| 17:28.11 | trepan | oh, bad manpage, is for bans too |
| 17:28.17 | a_monkey | also, will --enable-debug speed up bz? |
| 17:28.23 | SilverFox | ??? |
| 17:28.29 | SilverFox | a_monkey, no. |
| 17:28.32 | a_monkey | thx |
| 17:28.33 | mcglass | in the readme it says you can test the build |
| 17:28.55 | mcglass | di I just run bzfs then in the make directory |
| 17:29.23 | Tupone | yes, you can |
| 17:29.30 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.36 | mcglass | an chance of messing up |
| 17:29.42 | mcglass | any |
| 17:29.42 | Tupone | src/bzfs/bzfs |
| 17:29.57 | trepan | SilverFox: old feature, man page mentions user, group, and passwd files, just not the banfile |
| 17:30.04 | SilverFox | Pimpinella, so if I want to automate it, I have to script bzadmin to log in and run /reload after syncing the file? |
| 17:30.40 | Pimpinella | thats what i do, but now i'm unsure about bans myself |
| 17:30.59 | Pimpinella | i do it for syncing userdb |
| 17:32.10 | SilverFox | you use rsync to get the most current file? What happens if both files are modified since last sync? |
| 17:32.43 | SilverFox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.00 | mcglass | in the make directory there is already a directory called data the readme says to link ,,.bzflag/date . |
| 17:33.10 | mcglass | data |
| 17:33.21 | SilverFox | trepan, isn't http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzfs.6s the link to the current manpage that you sent me yesterday? |
| 17:33.39 | mcglass | so I'm linking ../bzflag/data to the make directory itself ? |
| 17:34.10 | SilverFox | I can't find anything about setting max jumps for Wings in there... |
| 17:34.31 | Pimpinella | SilverFox: just tested, bans and hostbans work with /reload |
| 17:34.41 | trepan | SilverFox: type '/set' in the client |
| 17:34.45 | [dmp] | is this a know bug? http://dennis.moellegaard.dk/tmp/bzfi0002.png |
| 17:34.54 | trepan | them spend a couple of minutes reading through the variable names |
| 17:34.57 | trepan | s/them/then |
| 17:35.06 | trepan | that's how i learned them... |
| 17:35.15 | menotume | SilverFox: the new version install to usr/local/man by default |
| 17:35.20 | menotume | old ones to /usr/man |
| 17:35.33 | Tupone | mcglass: if you wanna run bzflag in the top directory do from the top directory : ln -s src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 17:35.38 | trepan | if the font is too harsh, use 'bzflag -echo' and print them to your console (or -echoAnsi) |
| 17:37.02 | Pimpinella | SilverFox: no, i don't use rsync |
| 17:37.54 | trepan | SilverFox: a bzdbvars.6 man page should be written up (or some other documentation), but it hasn't |
| 17:38.06 | trepan | volunteers are welcome to it... |
| 17:38.46 | Pimpinella | SilverFox: i use swatch to watch the files, and when it changes a script is started that reloads databases on all servers |
| 17:39.21 | Pimpinella | not a failsafe aolution though |
| 17:40.06 | SilverFox | Pimpinella, never used swatch before. I'll read the man. |
| 17:40.39 | Pimpinella | there are other tools that do the same |
| 17:41.28 | SilverFox | what's the format of the vars file? |
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| 17:41.40 | SilverFox | _varWhatever value |
| 17:41.48 | SilverFox | or /set _varWhatever value |
| 17:41.58 | trepan | SilverFox: use -set instead (in th econf file, or the map "options" block) |
| 17:42.17 | trepan | vars files is deprecated |
| 17:42.18 | SilverFox | oh! |
| 17:42.41 | SilverFox | trepan, do you know of an example somewhere? |
| 17:42.49 | trepan | save a map |
| 17:42.52 | trepan | read the map |
| 17:42.56 | trepan | look for the options block |
| 17:43.01 | jpa- | "Reported by CapN: wings just stops working |
| 17:43.07 | jpa- | i love that report :) |
| 17:43.07 | SilverFox | nm, found one. |
| 17:43.13 | SilverFox | cool. |
| 17:43.15 | mcglass | ok server installed ok from source bzflag-2.0.0.20050117.tar.gz on fedora core 2 |
| 17:43.20 | mcglass | cheers |
| 17:43.20 | Pimpinella | he |
| 17:44.05 | shorty114 | Pimpinella: do you know where viper is? |
| 17:44.25 | shorty114 | Pimpinella: or why he hasn't upgraded his server to 2.0? |
| 17:44.36 | Pimpinella | HEY,THIS NEW WINGS FLAG IS COOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooool........... |
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| 17:44.52 | shorty114 | hi JeffM2501 |
| 17:45.00 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 17:45.03 | jpa- | hi jeff |
| 17:45.16 | JeffM2501 | damn this thing is small |
| 17:45.26 | jpa- | what thing? |
| 17:45.28 | Pimpinella | shorty114: viper has mostly taken himself oit of the servermanagement for more that half a yeah |
| 17:45.43 | shorty114 | Pimpinella: so any idea when it'll be 2.0? |
| 17:46.46 | Pimpinella | shorty114: we planned to run it quickly on 2.0, but especially mac users badly suffer from bugs |
| 17:46.57 | shorty114 | oh |
| 17:47.04 | Pimpinella | so we proably wait for 2.0.2 |
| 17:47.10 | shorty114 | ok |
| 17:47.34 | Pimpinella | shorty114: in the meanwhile test it on pimpi.org:5158 |
| 17:47.37 | Tartaros | half a yeah? :)) |
| 17:47.42 | shorty114 | ye |
| 17:47.51 | shorty114 | Pimpinella: i'll do it tomorrow. |
| 17:48.10 | Pimpinella | not listed, chooe it manually |
| 17:48.12 | shorty114 | what _are_ the bugs on the mac version? (generally) |
| 17:48.13 | shorty114 | ok |
| 17:48.14 | Pimpinella | choose |
| 17:48.33 | Pimpinella | dunno, i'm not using mac |
| 17:48.39 | shorty114 | :| |
| 17:48.51 | shorty114 | not a good time to be a mac user... :) |
| 17:48.56 | jpa- | i thought that mac version worked ok |
| 17:49.17 | shorty114 | i wouldn't know...i haven't had a chance to try it :( |
| 17:49.30 | JeffM2501 | there are bugs in all things |
| 17:49.35 | Pimpinella | i use cvs, and lots of bugs are already fixed there |
| 17:50.03 | Pimpinella | JeffM2501: sure ;) |
| 17:54.43 | shorty114 | ~bzfquery pimpi.org |
| 17:54.50 | shorty114 | ~bzfquery pimpi.org:5158 |
| 17:54.57 | shorty114 | ~botsnack |
| 17:54.57 | ibot | aw, gee, shorty114 |
| 17:55.09 | a_monkey | weird. i get a "No fonts found (the -directory option may help). Exiting" error when trying to run bz. |
| 17:55.13 | a_monkey | can anyone help? |
| 17:55.20 | shorty114 | it can't find the data directory |
| 17:55.32 | shorty114 | source, right? |
| 17:56.01 | shorty114 | w00t almost done uploading |
| 17:56.10 | a_monkey | source, yes |
| 17:56.16 | shorty114 | ok |
| 17:56.28 | shorty114 | i believe it looks in the same dir, then /usr/share or something along those lines.] |
| 17:56.35 | shorty114 | the devs will know more. |
| 17:56.38 | SilverFox | trepan, what files in CVS will shows setvars? |
| 17:57.03 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, where are you running it from? |
| 17:57.48 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: /usr/bin |
| 17:58.44 | JeffM2501 | it needs to know where the data dir is |
| 17:58.51 | JeffM2501 | the mac version dosn't run like nix |
| 17:58.58 | JeffM2501 | it's used to running from a .app |
| 17:59.21 | JeffM2501 | so do what the error told you to do |
| 17:59.37 | a_monkey | where would "make install" install data? |
| 17:59.47 | JeffM2501 | where nix wants it |
| 18:00.07 | JeffM2501 | just tell it where the data dir is in the source |
| 18:00.11 | JeffM2501 | it's the same data dir |
| 18:01.59 | a_monkey | k |
| 18:02.01 | need_pizza | if you run bzflag with -directory on Mac OS X, that may cause the .app to not find the data dir down the road |
| 18:02.20 | need_pizza | if that happens, you'll have to remove the directory line from you config file |
| 18:02.20 | a_monkey | i'm not using a .app |
| 18:02.22 | SilverFox | BZDBCache.cxx ? |
| 18:02.25 | JeffM2501 | this is true |
| 18:02.35 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, but it can screw up your .app later |
| 18:02.44 | JeffM2501 | better if you CD into the data dir |
| 18:02.49 | JeffM2501 | then run /usr/bin/bzflag |
| 18:02.53 | a_monkey | ok |
| 18:03.40 | a_monkey | still get the error |
| 18:03.50 | JeffM2501 | what dir did you CD into? |
| 18:04.11 | a_monkey | "data" in the bzflag source directory |
| 18:04.23 | JeffM2501 | need_pizza, Nidhoggr, JBdiGriz, orchid.. want to see it? |
| 18:04.36 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, check your config and see if it has a fixed data dir |
| 18:04.40 | JeffM2501 | or make a .app |
| 18:04.57 | orchid | see it? |
| 18:05.04 | SilverFox | StateDatabase.cxx I think... |
| 18:05.05 | JeffM2501 | http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/mini/ |
| 18:05.12 | JeffM2501 | I went and got one |
| 18:05.15 | JeffM2501 | it's SMALL |
| 18:05.18 | orchid | woohoo |
| 18:05.23 | need_pizza | cool |
| 18:05.55 | shorty114 | whoa nice |
| 18:06.08 | orchid | lol, your desk |
| 18:06.13 | shorty114 | should put linux on it :) |
| 18:06.16 | JeffM2501 | part of it |
| 18:06.22 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, why would I want to? |
| 18:06.25 | JeffM2501 | no hardware 3d |
| 18:06.27 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: i dunno |
| 18:06.31 | orchid | thats neat JeffM2501 |
| 18:06.32 | JeffM2501 | ATI does NOT make drivers |
| 18:06.37 | need_pizza | nice n messy desk JeffM2501 ;) |
| 18:06.39 | shorty114 | and it has an ATi card? |
| 18:06.42 | need_pizza | that is small.. |
| 18:06.44 | JeffM2501 | ohh it's "clean" |
| 18:06.49 | need_pizza | i have cdrom drives that are large |
| 18:06.52 | need_pizza | larger |
| 18:07.01 | JeffM2501 | it's smaller then my external scsi cases |
| 18:07.18 | a_monkey | so... make install doesn't install the "data" directory? |
| 18:08.17 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* yes it does a_monkey buyt for a nix type system, NOT a mac |
| 18:08.34 | JeffM2501 | now to install all the "stuff" |
| 18:08.39 | JeffM2501 | iLife dosn't come installed |
| 18:08.42 | shorty114 | o.o |
| 18:08.55 | shorty114 | oh yeah |
| 18:09.07 | shorty114 | it said "iLife 05 included" not installed |
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| 18:09.40 | shorty114 | hi creeperz |
| 18:09.49 | creeperz | hi shorty114 |
| 18:09.50 | SilverFox | iLife? Is that anything like aLife? I keep hearing people tell me I should get that. |
| 18:09.55 | creeperz | strangeness |
| 18:10.13 | creeperz | all of the LEDs on my modem are flashing like I have no internet service... |
| 18:10.18 | creeperz | it works though |
| 18:10.23 | JeffM2501 | http://www.apple.com/ilife/ |
| 18:10.39 | Tartaros | so dont disconnect from the irc, maybe thats what keeping it alive :P |
| 18:10.48 | shorty114 | SilverFox: it's iMovie, iTunes, etc. |
| 18:10.57 | shorty114 | heh |
| 18:10.58 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 18:11.09 | JeffM2501 | "your life... in a white plastic case" |
| 18:11.18 | shorty114 | lol |
| 18:11.32 | JeffM2501 | oh wait, it is installed |
| 18:11.33 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 18:11.41 | JeffM2501 | oh well, just gotta do dev tools |
| 18:12.18 | need_pizza | dev tools and chud tools |
| 18:12.29 | JeffM2501 | chud? |
| 18:12.37 | need_pizza | chud. |
| 18:12.42 | need_pizza | chud is good stuff |
| 18:13.00 | need_pizza | that's got the various profilers |
| 18:13.25 | JeffM2501 | ha, you make it like I'm going to use this for primary dev :) |
| 18:15.25 | need_pizza | first hit is free |
| 18:15.32 | need_pizza | then you're hooked |
| 18:15.45 | need_pizza | okay, not free.. starts at $500 now :) |
| 18:16.22 | JeffM2501 | I doubt it |
| 18:16.35 | JeffM2501 | no dual display on this |
| 18:16.43 | JeffM2501 | so it's allways going to be a mini machine |
| 18:16.44 | need_pizza | true |
| 18:17.23 | need_pizza | profiler is way cool though .. shark especially |
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| 18:18.17 | m0nkey_poo | man, this thing is a pain~! |
| 18:18.26 | m0nkey_poo | :-P |
| 18:18.29 | JeffM2501 | they were made for each other |
| 18:19.07 | creeperz | i hate windstorms |
| 18:19.18 | creeperz | messes with me cable |
| 18:19.27 | creeperz | i hate my modem too :-P |
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| 18:23.55 | shorty114 | hi Daddo |
| 18:24.07 | Daddo | hi there |
| 18:24.33 | SilverFox | is "invoke" the right term to use when saying you're launching a program or instance? |
| 18:24.54 | JeffM2501 | it's one term |
| 18:25.22 | SilverFox | Is it correct? Is there a better term? |
| 18:25.46 | JeffM2501 | launch is often used as well |
| 18:25.52 | JeffM2501 | they are both correct |
| 18:26.02 | JeffM2501 | as well as the terms run, or start |
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| 18:26.25 | JeffM2501 | or double click |
| 18:26.32 | SilverFox | hehe... from command line. |
| 18:26.50 | JeffM2501 | you didn't say CLI |
| 18:26.54 | JeffM2501 | usualy CLI is run |
| 18:26.57 | trepan | execute |
| 18:27.02 | JeffM2501 | that works too |
| 18:27.06 | JeffM2501 | engage! |
| 18:27.10 | trepan | man exec |
| 18:27.18 | JeffM2501 | spawn |
| 18:27.48 | SilverFox | if you want to set multiple bzdb vars using the -set command line option, do you do it with multiple "-set"'s? ie, "-set _variableName1 value -set _variableName2 value" ? |
| 18:28.38 | JeffM2501 | need_pizza, do I want any of the pre 10.3 SDKs? |
| 18:29.10 | need_pizza | if you want to compile mac apps for pre 10.3 yes |
| 18:29.28 | JeffM2501 | as far back as 10.1? |
| 18:29.33 | JeffM2501 | ir is 10.2.8 enough? |
| 18:29.57 | need_pizza | 10.2 is enough |
| 18:30.14 | need_pizza | nobody should use 10.1- |
| 18:30.38 | JeffM2501 | makes sense |
| 18:30.51 | need_pizza | heck, 10.4 is almost out |
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| 18:31.53 | Tupone | ciao gina |
| 18:32.08 | gina | ciao tupone |
| 18:32.24 | Tupone | glad to see ya |
| 18:32.46 | Tupone | ciao orchid |
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| 18:38.40 | mcglass | ./bzflag |
| 18:38.40 | mcglass | No fonts found (the -directory option may help). Exiting |
| 18:39.24 | Tupone | mcglass, what is your default directory? |
| 18:39.27 | JeffM2501 | and did you use the -directory option? |
| 18:39.31 | mcglass | I copied data directory from make directory to /usr/local/bin |
| 18:39.31 | JeffM2501 | like it told you to? |
| 18:39.40 | JeffM2501 | your on a mac? |
| 18:39.55 | mcglass | Tupone it installed in /usr/local/bin |
| 18:40.01 | mcglass | ? |
| 18:40.17 | Tupone | mcglass, what OS? linux or Mac? |
| 18:40.25 | mcglass | linux |
| 18:40.36 | Tupone | and you did make install? |
| 18:40.45 | mcglass | yes |
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| 18:40.57 | shorty114 | not again... |
| 18:41.08 | Tupone | if you look at ~/.bzf/2.0/config.cfg |
| 18:41.26 | Tupone | do you see "directory" |
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| 18:43.26 | mcglass | can't see directory mentioned Tupone |
| 18:43.50 | shorty114 | oh dear tupone's gone |
| 18:44.21 | mcglass | rats anybody else ? |
| 18:44.59 | gina | there is no directory called Tupone |
| 18:45.14 | mcglass | very funny |
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| 18:45.31 | shorty114 | lol |
| 18:45.42 | SilverFox | where can I find a list of bzdb vars and their default values? |
| 18:46.47 | mcglass | Tupone: should I type set directory in there or something ? |
| 18:47.35 | SilverFox | trepan, I'm working on bzdbvars.6 |
| 18:47.49 | cods | trepan: what's the idea about inside points ? Once the tank is in bounding box of an object, you count how face (triangle) are between this point and the tank (%2) to check if tank is inside object or not ? |
| 18:47.51 | JeffM2501 | learner, if I want to run classic apps can I just install the 9.2 it came with? |
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| 18:48.08 | learner | yeah |
| 18:48.48 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:48.50 | cods | (by between I mean "touching" a line from inside point to tank) |
| 18:48.54 | JeffM2501 | cus marathon is needed |
| 18:50.08 | shorty114 | lol |
| 18:51.13 | trepan | SilverFox: cool |
| 18:51.38 | JeffM2501 | learner, and since this time I only have 1 drive, I shouldn't have all those issues with dev tools and SDL not finding stuff right? |
| 18:51.43 | JeffM2501 | just do the fink thing? |
| 18:52.03 | trepan | cods: yup, basically. an outside points are the opposite, if there's no face between the tanks and the outside point, the tank is outside |
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| 18:52.41 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:52.55 | JeffM2501 | it's not horible with 256 |
| 18:53.01 | learner | JeffM2501: no, i made the build work with libsdl's download instead of fink's |
| 18:53.28 | learner | haven't made it work with both fink or libsdl |
| 18:53.36 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 18:53.46 | JeffM2501 | so I should just get the dev mac package then |
| 18:53.47 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:53.55 | trepan | SilverFox: if you get it started (and committed), i'll add some the the "hidden" client side vars |
| 18:58.03 | mcglass | hello in the ~/bzflag/work/data/fonts there are no fonta just a makefile ? |
| 18:58.13 | mcglass | fonts |
| 18:58.31 | JeffM2501 | that's not good |
| 18:58.38 | JeffM2501 | copy the fonts from the source data dir |
| 18:58.41 | JeffM2501 | into that dir |
| 18:58.45 | JeffM2501 | and see if that helps |
| 18:58.58 | JeffM2501 | maybe make-install was not updated for the new dir |
| 19:00.25 | mcglass | there are .png and .fnt files in there can I copt them to /usr/local/bin/data/fonts ? |
| 19:00.31 | mcglass | copy |
| 19:00.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's what you want |
| 19:00.49 | mcglass | ill make the data directory there |
| 19:00.52 | cods | trepan: so, count of inside point should be kept as minimal as possible, or that don't have too much impact ? |
| 19:01.03 | mcglass | ok |
| 19:01.30 | JeffM2501 | cods, if the shape is convex then you only need 1 point |
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| 19:01.32 | JeffM2501 | at the center |
| 19:01.38 | cods | JeffM2501: I know that.. |
| 19:01.40 | trepan | cods: minimal as possible |
| 19:01.52 | trepan | cods: it's a lousy system right now |
| 19:02.11 | trepan | but my desire to code is waning |
| 19:02.15 | Tupone | mcglass, work ?? do not have that kind of directory in the source tree |
| 19:03.31 | mcglass | the readme said to make a work directory outside the source directory and to run ../bzflag-2.0.0.20050117/configure from there |
| 19:03.41 | trepan | heh |
| 19:04.19 | menotume | gu? |
| 19:04.19 | menotume | ahhaa |
| 19:04.31 | shorty114 | oh dear |
| 19:04.31 | shorty114 | split |
| 19:04.39 | Tupone | mcglass, but did you make install ? |
| 19:04.45 | mcglass | yes |
| 19:05.01 | gina | netsplit? |
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| 19:05.04 | shorty114 | yes, gina |
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| 19:05.24 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o learner] by irc.freenode.net |
| 19:05.24 | gina | stupid net |
| 19:05.24 | Tupone | ok, go on your top HOME, be sure no "data" directory is there |
| 19:05.24 | shorty114 | hmm... --- irc.freenode.net gives channel operator status to learner |
| 19:05.29 | shorty114 | isn't that chanserv's job? |
| 19:05.32 | Tupone | and run bzflag from there |
| 19:06.01 | mcglass | its working ok now i have the dat directory in /usr/local/bin |
| 19:06.05 | mcglass | data |
| 19:06.05 | learner | oof |
| 19:06.27 | Tupone | your data directory is in /usr/local/share/bzflag ... |
| 19:07.39 | mcglass | so they are |
| 19:08.06 | mcglass | I thought I looked everywhere |
| 19:08.24 | mcglass | I definately used find |
| 19:09.04 | mcglass | can I say that is where they are in the conf file ? |
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| 19:10.09 | menotume | JeffM2501: are you the guu bot admin ? |
| 19:10.16 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 19:10.22 | shorty114 | !guu |
| 19:10.23 | guu | guu is hip and cool, baffuuuuuu |
| 19:10.34 | mcglass | what is the wording to use ? |
| 19:10.44 | menotume | do you know if 'rss announce' can be added for a channel that it is not in ? |
| 19:11.04 | JeffM2501 | yes thank you for that demonstration shorty, I don't know what we would have done wiht out it. |
| 19:11.15 | JeffM2501 | menotume, no it has to be in a channel she is in |
| 19:11.20 | JeffM2501 | what channel? |
| 19:11.23 | menotume | ahhh, okies |
| 19:11.28 | menotume | #guleague |
| 19:11.35 | JeffM2501 | what is the guleague? |
| 19:11.39 | menotume | we don't really need it yet |
| 19:11.50 | menotume | a new league for the GU.de server |
| 19:11.56 | JeffM2501 | guu join #guleague |
| 19:12.10 | menotume | kewl :) |
| 19:12.14 | JeffM2501 | guu flush |
| 19:12.15 | guu | JeffM2501: okay |
| 19:12.25 | mcglass | ok I see why I was looking for a directory called data |
| 19:12.28 | menotume | thx, JeffM2501 |
| 19:12.32 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 19:14.10 | menotume | JeffM2501: hate to be a pest, but .... |
| 19:14.17 | menotume | i have no permiss for rss announce |
| 19:14.27 | menotume | can you: guu rss announce #guleague gumatches |
| 19:14.29 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 19:14.45 | JeffM2501 | did you set gumatches as a rss feed? |
| 19:14.49 | menotume | yes |
| 19:14.52 | menotume | it works |
| 19:14.59 | JeffM2501 | guu rss announce #guleague gumatches |
| 19:14.59 | guu | JeffM2501: okay |
| 19:15.03 | JeffM2501 | guu flush |
| 19:15.05 | guu | JeffM2501: okay |
| 19:15.06 | menotume | excellent |
| 19:15.14 | menotume | yer the best ! |
| 19:15.21 | JeffM2501 | have fun with it |
| 19:16.26 | menotume | thx again |
| 19:17.53 | mcglass | ta too bye |
| 19:19.38 | a_monkey | wow. nice. my optimized build runs even more smoothly than the os x binary |
| 19:20.19 | a_monkey | TimRiker, you disguise yourself under different nicks? |
| 19:20.23 | a_monkey | cool |
| 19:20.27 | shorty114 | a_monkey: that's his away nick |
| 19:20.31 | a_monkey | oh |
| 19:20.42 | shorty114 | `ls` means he's away, TimRiker means he's here |
| 19:21.47 | jpa- | he probably thinks i'm going to copypaste his nick to root shell in a directory with remove_everything.sh |
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| 19:23.47 | JeffM2501 | ls is him at home |
| 19:23.54 | JeffM2501 | you will see both some times |
| 19:24.40 | TimRiker | well, TimRiker is more here than `ls` but possibly still away. ;-) |
| 19:25.08 | TimRiker | jpa-: someday you might! |
| 19:25.20 | TimRiker | ~rootshell `ls` |
| 19:25.22 | ibot | root@blootbot:~# `ls` bash: `ls`: command not found |
| 19:25.41 | jpa- | ~rootshell cat /etc/shadow |
| 19:25.44 | ibot | root@blootbot:~# cat /etc/shadow bash: cat /etc/shadow: command not found |
| 19:25.51 | jpa- | bad shell :) |
| 19:26.11 | TimRiker | ~literal cmd: rootshell (.*?) |
| 19:26.12 | ibot | "CMD: rootshell (.*?)" is "($command): <reply> root@blootbot:~# $command bash: $command: command not found" |
| 19:26.19 | TimRiker | hehe |
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| 19:27.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/TrackMarks.cxx: |
| 19:27.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - only clear the track mark lists during update() |
| 19:27.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: (BSP rendering was having a problem with pure virtuals |
| 19:27.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: being called when the track marks were turned on and off) |
| 19:29.41 | jpa- | hmph, feels strange |
| 19:29.57 | jpa- | i havent ran kde on my own computer for ages |
| 19:30.13 | jpa- | but now, i am, and it is terribly cute and well functioning |
| 19:30.16 | jpa- | :S |
| 19:30.58 | JeffM2501 | yay it builds |
| 19:31.13 | JeffM2501 | right out of the box too :) |
| 19:31.46 | JeffM2501 | now to get xchat on the bloddy little thing |
| 19:33.16 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: constification and efficiency silliness |
| 19:36.00 | *** join/#bzflag ibot (ibot@apt.bot.TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 19:36.00 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Thank you, RPG! - http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=26845#26845 || BZFlag 2.0.0 is Released! - Go to http://sf.net/projects/bzflag http://bzflag.org/wiki/Download | |
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| 19:40.07 | JeffMMini | they should make the font realy small when you type from this thing. |
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| 19:45.48 | shorty114 | lol |
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| 20:02.15 | wizart | he, yea. kde is cute. But gimp is still native gtk :) |
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| 20:29.44 | SilverFox | trepan, sounds great! |
| 20:30.09 | SilverFox | trepan, is there anything at all already documented (ie, comments in code) that I can groom from? |
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| 20:31.32 | sgk284 | hello |
| 20:31.41 | sgk284 | ~weather kphl |
| 20:32.15 | sgk284 | soooo much snow... |
| 20:37.30 | a_monkey | "man bzflag" should bring up bzflag's man page, right? |
| 20:37.51 | a_monkey | it doesn't |
| 20:38.09 | a_monkey | i don't think bz's man pages were installed |
| 20:39.11 | orchid | how did you install bzflag ? |
| 20:42.18 | Daddo | sgk284: just got in from shoveling the driveway - 6-8" in Montgomery county |
| 20:44.35 | Daddo | Anyone know DevC++ pretty well? I have an odd linker error compiling bzflag. It works on one machine (my work laptop). |
| 20:45.18 | SilverFox | what kinds of things can go into the options block of a map file? |
| 20:45.57 | Daddo | but I'm trying to get it working on my home machine and I get Info: resolving _atexit by linking to __imp__atexit (auto import) and then |
| 20:46.25 | Daddo | a bunch of undefined reference to libmsvcrt_a_iname |
| 20:46.54 | sgk284 | Daddo: yea I shoveled my front and then my back, by the time I was done the back, you couldnt even tell i shoveled out front |
| 20:47.16 | Daddo | I even copied the DevCpp directory and config files over from the machine that works to the non working one - but no joy |
| 20:47.38 | Daddo | sgk284: yeah - pretty impressive so far |
| 20:48.00 | SilverFox | for some reason "-f PZ" isn't restricting PhantomZone. |
| 20:48.17 | SilverFox | is the -f switch still working in 2.0? |
| 20:48.30 | sgk284 | where are you putting it? |
| 20:48.43 | SilverFox | I tried both in the conf file and in the options block in the map file. |
| 20:49.02 | SilverFox | neither works. |
| 20:49.27 | sgk284 | your trying to restrict PZ with -f? |
| 20:49.47 | sgk284 | oh nevermind... thats right and it should work |
| 20:49.50 | shorty114 | doesn't lan56 do the DevC++ packages? |
| 20:50.03 | sgk284 | shorty114, lan56 does everything invlved with DevC++ |
| 20:50.08 | trepan | SilverFox: have you tried: -f PZ{1000} |
| 20:50.19 | SilverFox | trepan, oh, didn't think of that. |
| 20:50.29 | trepan | did you read the bzfs man page? |
| 20:50.47 | SilverFox | skimmed. |
| 20:50.51 | sgk284 | lol |
| 20:51.04 | Daddo | ok thanks i'll ask him when i see him |
| 20:51.32 | trepan | hmm, regardless of the man page, it's not entirely clear to be honest |
| 20:52.39 | trepan | except that apparently more -f's takes out more +f's for a given type |
| 20:54.56 | SilverFox | "+s40 -s50 -f G". Similarly, "+f good{40} +f bad{10} -f G{40}" would give you exactly 40 good flags except genocide and 10 of each bad flag. |
| 20:55.40 | trepan | yup, that's the example |
| 20:55.58 | trepan | sometimes it's good not to skim ;) |
| 20:56.46 | SilverFox | hrm.. invalid flag "PZ{1000}" |
| 20:57.47 | DTRemenak | as I understand it, -f only turns off random generation of flags (e.g. if you say +s 16 -f G you won't get any random G flags) |
| 20:57.56 | DTRemenak | -f has no effect on +f |
| 20:58.09 | SilverFox | DTRemenak, thats not what the man page says, but it is what I'm trying to do. |
| 20:58.22 | DTRemenak | I did a bunch of experiments with 1.7 a long time ago, and that's what I found |
| 20:58.24 | SilverFox | well, I guess it does say "random" |
| 20:58.42 | DTRemenak | yeah. random meaning +s and -s |
| 20:58.43 | trepan | the example also has -f G{40} |
| 20:58.49 | DTRemenak | the example is wrong then |
| 20:58.51 | trepan | so something is amiss |
| 20:59.00 | SilverFox | but the example suggests you can counter random flags by specifying flags in particular |
| 20:59.03 | DTRemenak | [root@danielslinux root]# bzfs -f G{40} |
| 20:59.07 | DTRemenak | invalid flag "G{40}" |
| 20:59.24 | DTRemenak | SilverFox: I'm telling you, the example is wrong :) |
| 20:59.40 | DTRemenak | +s and -s are what "random flags" means |
| 20:59.48 | DTRemenak | +f is a forced flag, not a random flag |
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| 21:01.33 | DTRemenak | bzfs +f G{15} +s 16 -s 16 -f G means: there will always be 15 G flags. there will always be 16 other flags, which will never be G. |
| 21:02.02 | DTRemenak | so there will always be 31 total flags, 16 of which are NOT G, and 15 of which ARE G |
| 21:02.34 | Legoguy | DTRemenak: wait, +s 16 and -s 16 don't cancel out? |
| 21:02.35 | trepan | ick, bad option naming then |
| 21:02.45 | trepan | Legoguy: min/max limits |
| 21:02.45 | DTRemenak | Legoguy: +s is maximum, -s is minimum |
| 21:02.50 | Legoguy | ah right |
| 21:02.52 | trepan | again, bad naming :) |
| 21:02.55 | DTRemenak | +s 16 -s 16 means between 16 and 16 |
| 21:03.04 | DTRemenak | yeah, the option naming sucks |
| 21:03.48 | trepan | +fr min:max, -fr TYPE, -fr TYPE would be an improvement |
| 21:04.00 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 21:04.14 | trepan | and have -f be as the example says |
| 21:04.23 | trepan | (counter to +f) |
| 21:04.27 | DTRemenak | I don't see any need for -f as the example says though |
| 21:04.36 | DTRemenak | why would you do +f G and -f G? |
| 21:04.48 | DTRemenak | oh, I guess for "good" |
| 21:04.52 | trepan | +f good{5} |
| 21:05.00 | trepan | hehe, was just going there |
| 21:05.45 | trepan | i usually set mine up individually as well |
| 21:05.48 | DTRemenak | just use +s 50 -f G -f bad |
| 21:06.04 | trepan | ah, i don't use the 's' options |
| 21:06.18 | DTRemenak | I think most people don't understand the s options :) |
| 21:06.58 | Legoguy | +f good{5} makes 5 of every good flag right |
| 21:06.59 | DTRemenak | It took me about a full day of experimenting with 1.7e4 to figure out what all the options did |
| 21:07.05 | Legoguy | i thought i read that somwehre |
| 21:07.07 | DTRemenak | Legoguy: yes |
| 21:07.09 | trepan | i get 'em, but the 'f's are better for test servers :) |
| 21:07.18 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 21:07.28 | DTRemenak | guaranteed flags are good sometimes :) |
| 21:07.44 | DTRemenak | I use them too, to create a nice mix for a particular map |
| 21:07.47 | Legoguy | lol people thought it meant "50 good flags" and had like 1000+ flags |
| 21:07.53 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 21:08.31 | trepan | tip: never go over +f good{30} |
| 21:08.35 | trepan | crashtime |
| 21:08.37 | Legoguy | yeah |
| 21:09.06 | trepan | well, not really crashes, disconnected players at 40 i think |
| 21:09.07 | Legoguy | never do /set _rainDensity 2000, crash as well |
| 21:09.18 | Legoguy | 1999 works, but 2000 doesn't ;) |
| 21:09.26 | trepan | really? weird |
| 21:09.46 | Legoguy | how can i make my snowflakes smaller (ie more realiztic size) |
| 21:10.13 | Legoguy | haven't found a self-explanitory option yet |
| 21:10.58 | trepan | Legoguy: you assume to much... don't think you can |
| 21:11.19 | Legoguy | doh |
| 21:11.19 | trepan | s/to/too |
| 21:11.50 | Legoguy | apart from scaling the png image smaller but keeping the same dimensions? |
| 21:13.47 | trepan | ah, just on your local client? |
| 21:14.00 | Legoguy | well that's what i'm saying, that would be only local |
| 21:14.08 | trepan | then ya, my bad, that will probably work |
| 21:14.19 | Legoguy | i want to do it server wide though |
| 21:14.31 | Legoguy | in which case, like you said, i guess i cant |
| 21:16.13 | Daddo | !seen lan56 |
| 21:16.13 | guu | Daddo: lan56 was last seen here 1 day, 17 hours, 33 minutes, and 39 seconds ago saying: <lan56> time to hit the battlefield |
| 21:16.27 | Legoguy | hope he didnt die |
| 21:16.39 | Legoguy | ;P |
| 21:16.41 | Daddo | ha |
| 21:17.05 | Daddo | me too i hear he is the one to ask about DevC++ |
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| 21:41.49 | a_monkey | where can i get that html page that generates a bzfs configuration? |
| 21:42.11 | *** join/#bzflag quantomfoam (~mcnicholl@pool-141-153-201-4.mad.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:42.37 | sgk284 | misc/bzfs_conf.html |
| 21:42.51 | sgk284 | if you don't have the source i can send it to you |
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| 21:42.58 | a_monkey | i have the source... |
| 21:43.00 | sgk284 | k |
| 21:43.17 | quantomfoam | help a poor sod w/ no memory - how does registration work again (callsign registration on servers) |
| 21:43.45 | a_monkey | if my server's gonna be local, should it respond to pings? |
| 21:43.47 | a_monkey | prolly not |
| 21:44.25 | `ls` | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/bzflag/bzflag/misc/bzfs_conf.html |
| 21:47.26 | JeffM2501 | quantomfoam: global or local reg? |
| 21:47.44 | quantomfoam | whats the diff? |
| 21:48.01 | quantomfoam | not a local server if thats what u mean |
| 21:48.01 | JeffM2501 | global uses bzbb to have the same login on many servers |
| 21:48.06 | JeffM2501 | local is just one server |
| 21:48.07 | quantomfoam | bzbb |
| 21:48.12 | JeffM2501 | just register on bzbb |
| 21:48.14 | JeffM2501 | and your done |
| 21:48.17 | quantomfoam | i'm already registered there |
| 21:48.21 | JeffM2501 | then your done |
| 21:48.40 | JeffM2501 | any server that uses global reg will authenticate you, if you put your password into bzflag |
| 21:48.42 | quantomfoam | so when i log on to secreteplace for instance how come I cant /identify anymore (w/ 2.0) |
| 21:48.54 | JeffM2501 | because you don't /identify with global |
| 21:48.57 | JeffM2501 | it's automagic |
| 21:48.58 | quantomfoam | let me go back and check password |
| 21:49.14 | JeffM2501 | with global the game server dosn't know your password |
| 21:49.28 | quantomfoam | is call name or pw case sensitive (bzbb vs bzflag game) |
| 21:49.40 | JeffM2501 | the password sure is |
| 21:49.43 | quantomfoam | sure |
| 21:49.51 | JeffM2501 | it better be |
| 21:50.23 | a_monkey | how can i view a map without having to start a local server using the map? |
| 21:50.30 | a_monkey | or can i? |
| 21:50.40 | JeffM2501 | you start a local server using the map |
| 21:50.57 | a_monkey | k |
| 21:52.43 | quantomfoam | Thanks Jeff - was a space in callsign in game |
| 21:52.47 | `ls` | JeffM2501: yeah, password is case sensitive, cause it's stored in an md5. callsign is not. |
| 21:53.05 | JeffM2501 | that's what I thought |
| 21:53.16 | JeffM2501 | like I said "password better be" :) |
| 21:53.25 | `ls` | so I could be tIm RiKeR if I want. |
| 21:53.33 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:53.35 | JeffM2501 | yes you could |
| 21:53.39 | JeffM2501 | but then I'd have to ban you |
| 21:53.43 | JeffM2501 | on principle |
| 21:53.48 | TimRiker | heh |
| 21:53.55 | TimRiker | ~nickometer JeffM2501 |
| 21:53.55 | ibot | 'JeffM2501' is 56.000% lame, timriker |
| 21:54.04 | JeffM2501 | it's less lame then I used to be |
| 21:54.11 | JeffM2501 | ~nicometer Patlabor221 |
| 21:54.20 | JeffM2501 | ~nickometer Patlabor221 |
| 21:54.20 | ibot | 'Patlabor221' is 34.000% lame, jeffm2501 |
| 21:54.24 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 21:54.27 | JeffM2501 | well poo |
| 21:54.27 | jpa- | ~nickometer jpa |
| 21:54.27 | ibot | 'jpa' is 0.000% lame, jpa- |
| 21:54.31 | quantomfoam | hey 2.0's nice but tanks merge with surfaces (at least on my system) - is that intentional |
| 21:54.33 | jpa- | yeah! |
| 21:54.35 | jpa- | ~nickometer jpa- |
| 21:54.35 | ibot | 'jpa-' is 14.000% lame, jpa- |
| 21:54.37 | TimRiker | ~nickometer TimRiker |
| 21:54.37 | ibot | 'TimRiker' is 0.000% lame, timriker |
| 21:54.38 | jpa- | hmph |
| 21:54.57 | sgk284 | ~nickometer sgk284 |
| 21:54.57 | ibot | 'sgk284' is 24.000% lame, sgk284 |
| 21:54.59 | sgk284 | grr |
| 21:55.04 | TimRiker | quantomfoam: huh? tanks merge with surfaces? |
| 21:55.31 | TimRiker | ~nickometer `ls` |
| 21:55.31 | ibot | '`ls`' is 26.000% lame, timriker |
| 21:55.36 | quantomfoam | yeah - occaissionally oponents seem to "burrow" on ramps |
| 21:55.39 | jpa- | ~nickometer h4X0rK1d |
| 21:55.39 | ibot | 'h4X0rK1d' is 99.9442% lame, jpa- |
| 21:55.46 | sgk284 | lol |
| 21:56.06 | quantomfoam | not with burrow flag mind you |
| 21:56.10 | trepan | quantomfoam: you have depth buffer on ? |
| 21:56.33 | jpa- | hmm |
| 21:56.34 | quantomfoam | depth buffer off |
| 21:56.35 | sgk284 | quantomfoam, are you sure its not from them falling? tanks squish when they fall now |
| 21:56.41 | jpa- | or does he mean the squish factor? |
| 21:56.46 | trepan | quantomfoam: do you have a video card? |
| 21:56.50 | quantomfoam | no - I got guys shootin at me |
| 21:56.53 | TimRiker | quantomfoam: turn depth buffer on. |
| 21:56.59 | quantomfoam | its a laptop |
| 21:57.17 | trepan | please try turning it on, it should make it run faster |
| 21:57.30 | trepan | (assuming you have any kind of video card) |
| 21:57.35 | TimRiker | and look better. unless you have a crappy video card. |
| 21:58.52 | JeffM2501 | even if he has a crap card, it'll look better, just be slower :) |
| 21:58.57 | trepan | except for proximal translucency :) |
| 21:59.09 | quantomfoam | ill give it a shot - thanks |
| 21:59.54 | sgk284 | my understanding was that even with a cheat client you can't have two flags yet someone reported that to secretplace. do you think it was a misunderstanding or legit? |
| 22:01.04 | trepan | sgk284: it would depend on what exactly was meant by "having 2 flags" |
| 22:01.12 | sgk284 | it was stealth and cloak... i'm thinking the person just got shot, didn't see him on his screen or on radar and assumed he had two flags... |
| 22:06.58 | gina | ~nickometer gina |
| 22:06.58 | ibot | 'gina' is 0.000% lame, gina |
| 22:07.01 | gina | heh |
| 22:07.19 | gina | ~karma gina |
| 22:07.19 | ibot | gina has karma of 1 |
| 22:07.25 | gina | what does that mean?? |
| 22:07.58 | sgk284 | ~gina++ |
| 22:08.04 | sgk284 | ~karma sgk284 |
| 22:08.04 | ibot | sgk284 has karma of 26 |
| 22:08.30 | sgk284 | ~karma TimRiker |
| 22:08.30 | ibot | timriker has karma of -661 |
| 22:08.36 | sgk284 | that a bug? |
| 22:08.51 | trepan | nope, that's an 'off-by-5' problem |
| 22:09.30 | cods | ~karma cods |
| 22:09.30 | ibot | cods has karma of 2 |
| 22:09.35 | cods | wow, impressize |
| 22:09.37 | trepan | ~cods++ |
| 22:09.44 | cods | s/z/v/ even |
| 22:10.21 | cods | ~trepan++ |
| 22:10.29 | cods | ~karma trepan |
| 22:10.29 | ibot | trepan has karma of 75 |
| 22:10.32 | gina | ~karma gina |
| 22:10.32 | ibot | gina has karma of 2 |
| 22:10.35 | gina | :) |
| 22:10.58 | sgk284 | ~fishslap trepan |
| 22:11.02 | ibot | ACTION slaps trepan up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 22:11.02 | gina | ~karma sgk284++ |
| 22:11.02 | ibot | sgk284++ has neutral karma |
| 22:11.14 | gina | trout? |
| 22:11.24 | sgk284 | its ~sgk284++ not ~karma sgk284++ |
| 22:11.24 | gina | ~sgk284++ |
| 22:11.27 | sgk284 | :) |
| 22:12.17 | gina | ~gina-- |
| 22:12.23 | TimRiker | ~logs |
| 22:12.24 | ibot | logs is probably http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian, or stats for some channels at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz for apt, ibot, jbot and purl. |
| 22:13.11 | TimRiker | ~logs |
| 22:13.12 | ibot | somebody said logs was http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian, or stats for some channels at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz for apt, ibot, jbot and purl. |
| 22:13.18 | TimRiker | hmm. |
| 22:13.31 | TimRiker | ibot: #bzflag logs |
| 22:13.32 | ibot | methinks #bzflag logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
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| 22:14.10 | TimRiker | logs moved to have a %23 in them. now include join/mode/part/kick/etc in them (or will when the regen finishes. lines that start with a space are logged as <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.52 | JaviMadrid | hi. Need some help. Connected a few hours ago but nobody responded... |
| 22:14.59 | SportChick | question: is the /me command in 2.0 supposed to work on channels other than the public (n) channel? I tried doing it both in teamchat and in pm and it went to the public channel instead |
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| 22:15.41 | FerrarisRule | hi i have a question, if i wanted to make a map, what version of bzedit should i use |
| 22:16.11 | TimRiker | SportChick: I think public is the only one implemented. Could be improved. |
| 22:16.34 | SportChick | TimRiker: yes, it's a bit disconcerting to think you're doing that to someone in pm and it goes out publicly |
| 22:16.38 | JaviMadrid | I've been playing BZFlag for a long time now, and never had any problems. I updated to the 2.0 version, and my nightmare began. BZ starts correctly. I select a server, Join game... before hitting "i" or right-click, I can see tanks moving in the window and radar, but just after pressing i or right click to start, it freezes. Well, not only it freezes, it crashes my machine. It happens the same both in Linux Fedora Core 3 and Windows XP Pr |
| 22:17.20 | FerrarisRule | hi i have a question, if i wanted to make a map, what version of bzedit should i use |
| 22:17.54 | sgk284 | SportChick, i'm snowed in so i'll work on it |
| 22:18.07 | SportChick | sgk284: thanks! I appreciate that |
| 22:18.42 | SportChick | tim and sgk: any further ideas on what may be causing increased lag and ping problems? I used to run very consistently with 32ms lag on secretplace. Now I run more in the 50s |
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| 22:19.24 | sgk284 | it was my understanding that lagstats is broken with the new algorithm... |
| 22:19.29 | sgk284 | but that may just be for bzadmin |
| 22:19.54 | linuxclub | sgk284, bzadmin does not send ping so it is lagging |
| 22:20.23 | linuxclub | does not respond, I meant |
| 22:20.32 | SportChick | sgk284: I know they ran a patch to help with some of the ping issues, but I still get a notice every minute or so that I've lost a packet. But that doesn't seem to be related to the lag issue. There are also times where lag appears to me to have spiked, but when I check stats, I'm around 56ms |
| 22:20.57 | FerrarisRule | will no one answer my question |
| 22:20.57 | linuxclub | SportChick, I'll try for a fix later |
| 22:21.13 | sgk284 | FerrarisRule, i guess whatever the latest version is:) |
| 22:21.17 | SportChick | FerrarisRule: me doesn't know |
| 22:21.35 | FerrarisRule | where would i get it then |
| 22:21.47 | FerrarisRule | sourceforge? |
| 22:21.49 | sgk284 | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3248&package_id=107349 |
| 22:22.18 | sgk284 | it hasnt been updated for nearly a year though so some manual editing will be needed or physics drviers and things |
| 22:22.20 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 22:22.24 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (~04f8ed8c@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:22.39 | TimRiker | 2.0 is catching up. ;-) |
| 22:23.06 | BIYA | 2.0 is hard to make maps for :( |
| 22:23.23 | FerrarisRule | BIYA: what do i do to make a map |
| 22:24.11 | trepan | BIYA: 1.10.x maps still work for 2.0 |
| 22:24.26 | JeffM2501 | learner: Ok I think I can now call it mine....----> http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/mini/desktop.png |
| 22:24.41 | BIYA | I think you will be seeing alot of the old maps more than the ones with the new gizmos in it |
| 22:24.57 | SportChick | linuxclub: thanks! |
| 22:25.06 | BIYA | I know they still work in this version |
| 22:25.22 | JeffM2501 | it's just some math |
| 22:25.46 | BIYA | I make straight A's in math but this I dont understand a bit :) |
| 22:25.58 | JeffM2501 | what have you tried to do? |
| 22:26.09 | trepan | JeffM2501: there no extra math required for most of it |
| 22:26.17 | JeffM2501 | no, not for 95% of it |
| 22:26.21 | Legoguy | Couple questions - I know it is possible to have more than one team base per team - but is it possible to have two team bases and one flag? |
| 22:26.59 | BIYA | First of I have never made a map with notepad....And I tryed turning one of my maps in 20 \ style but didnt work |
| 22:27.11 | BIYA | 2.0* |
| 22:27.11 | Legoguy | And, is it possible to specify which base that flag spawns on, and which base the players spawn on? |
| 22:27.12 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 has a style? |
| 22:27.19 | FerrarisRule | BIYA: could u help me get a server started? |
| 22:27.58 | trepan | Legoguy: for multiple bases for the same team, no |
| 22:28.34 | Legoguy | i thought i saw one map where there were 2 bases for each team and 2 flags |
| 22:28.39 | FerrarisRule | BIYA: gp to the PM |
| 22:29.09 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (~04f8ed8c@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:29.22 | JeffM2501 | trepan: yeah you can have more then one |
| 22:29.31 | JeffM2501 | apathy hooked that up |
| 22:29.38 | JeffM2501 | tho IIRC it's one flag per base |
| 22:29.42 | Legoguy | doh |
| 22:29.50 | trepan | JeffM2501: heh, oops, was answering the second question |
| 22:30.02 | trepan | you can not pick the spawn bases |
| 22:30.26 | Legoguy | doh, that limits what i want to do even more than not being able to have just one flag |
| 22:30.31 | Legoguy | i'll figure it out |
| 22:30.32 | Legoguy | thanks |
| 22:30.54 | poxy | http://pastebin.dyndns.org/38 |
| 22:30.59 | poxy | bzfs-2 crash |
| 22:31.01 | JeffM2501 | acckkkkkkk... system 7 windows!!!!!!! |
| 22:31.40 | DTRemenak | poxy: that's been fixed in cvs |
| 22:31.48 | poxy | heh... ok |
| 22:31.58 | poxy | thanks |
| 22:32.06 | DTRemenak | but thanks for the trace anyway :) |
| 22:32.13 | trepan | Legoguy: you can add extra team flags with +f team, iirc |
| 22:32.31 | Legoguy | not +f team{1}? |
| 22:32.32 | linuxclub | +f R* |
| 22:32.48 | Legoguy | R{1} then |
| 22:33.10 | trepan | R is ricochet |
| 22:33.10 | linuxclub | or +f G*{12} |
| 22:33.10 | Legoguy | oh R*{1} |
| 22:33.12 | trepan | same number of flags for all teams, so +f team |
| 22:33.27 | trepan | although +f team{X} seems to work |
| 22:33.51 | Legoguy | but it still leaves the problem of specifying where the flag would go in the case of 2 bases |
| 22:35.09 | JeffM2501 | the game just dosn't have that level of customisation |
| 22:35.21 | JeffM2501 | it'll PROBABLY allways spawn at the first one |
| 22:35.25 | JeffM2501 | but you can test it |
| 22:35.33 | Legoguy | ok, like the first one in the file? |
| 22:35.46 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 22:36.11 | JeffM2501 | naw it's random |
| 22:36.13 | JeffM2501 | don't bother |
| 22:36.19 | Legoguy | oh |
| 22:36.35 | JeffM2501 | the voices in my head tell me it is so |
| 22:37.43 | Legoguy | according to those voices, how hard would it be for a person who doesn't know much if any C++ to make a simple modification that allows an option in the base object to specify whether or not to put a flag there |
| 22:37.58 | Legoguy | (if that's even simple) |
| 22:38.05 | JeffM2501 | it's probalby not trivial |
| 22:38.16 | JeffM2501 | you'd be looking at adding an atribute to the base object |
| 22:38.21 | JeffM2501 | changing the map format |
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| 22:38.27 | JeffM2501 | and how it's sent |
| 22:38.37 | JeffM2501 | thus invalidating all old clients |
| 22:38.49 | Legoguy | i thought flag positioning is server-side? |
| 22:39.02 | JeffM2501 | yes but how to you flag a base as "spawnable" |
| 22:39.42 | Legoguy | hmm |
| 22:40.04 | Legoguy | then it would have to be a server option, something to, like you said, only put the flag on the first base found in the map |
| 22:40.05 | JeffM2501 | and if you want to be able to save a map from the client you need to send that info with it |
| 22:40.18 | JeffM2501 | that would be simpler, yet more limiting |
| 22:40.54 | Legoguy | how much more limiting |
| 22:41.06 | JeffM2501 | it would be dependent on flag order |
| 22:41.10 | sgk284 | would making the client ignorant of the flag types (the client will only know the position) break anything other then the identify flag? |
| 22:41.19 | JeffM2501 | and you wouldn't be able to define like a subset of bases that are spawnable |
| 22:41.32 | Legoguy | you can just put the bases you want flags on in the beginning of the map |
| 22:41.35 | JeffM2501 | sgk284: bad flag antidotes too |
| 22:41.55 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy: what if you want 2 out of 4 bases to be spawnable |
| 22:41.59 | JeffM2501 | and just random on the 2 |
| 22:42.08 | linuxclub | sgk284, if you have a world without ID flags, client will not know the flag prior getting it |
| 22:42.17 | sgk284 | a cheat client will |
| 22:42.26 | linuxclub | nope, not in 2.0 |
| 22:42.35 | JeffM2501 | flag system needs to be redone |
| 22:42.36 | sgk284 | oh how so? |
| 22:42.37 | Legoguy | JeffM2501: true, that would be limiting |
| 22:42.50 | sgk284 | alot of suspicion on secretplace about flag coloring |
| 22:43.06 | linuxclub | I sent a PZ flag has a flag ID, then I cheange it when it is grabbed |
| 22:43.21 | linuxclub | ask Nid to remove ID flag |
| 22:43.43 | junker | I think the client still knows about flags in 2.0 |
| 22:43.55 | sgk284 | junker, from what i'm seeing it does |
| 22:43.58 | linuxclub | only if the world has the ID flags |
| 22:44.07 | junker | Yup |
| 22:44.12 | JeffM2501 | linuxclub: you look at code to see this? |
| 22:44.15 | sgk284 | linuxclub, where are you getting that from? |
| 22:44.23 | junker | Yeah, it's still the same |
| 22:45.01 | Tupone_ | I coded it :) |
| 22:45.06 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the flag system is depenent on it knowing the type, there isn't a type for "dono" |
| 22:45.15 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:45.37 | junker | In 2.0? |
| 22:46.02 | Tupone_ | server sent all flag to the joining client with a fake id : PZ |
| 22:46.46 | Legoguy | why not useless ;P |
| 22:46.49 | junker | So everything is fake? |
| 22:46.59 | JeffM2501 | well that's at least something |
| 22:47.03 | Tupone_ | when you join and if the ID flag is not allowed |
| 22:47.10 | junker | ahh |
| 22:47.18 | JeffM2501 | does the server verify shot types yet? |
| 22:47.24 | Tupone_ | yeah |
| 22:47.29 | junker | So that's why if we limit the ID flag coloring wont work |
| 22:47.37 | JeffM2501 | and it verifys that a pickup of the ID flag is real? |
| 22:48.14 | Tupone_ | when you pick up a flag, all the flag info - Real Info - is sent to the clients |
| 22:48.24 | JeffM2501 | Tupone: you sure tim didn't revert it? :) |
| 22:48.53 | *** join/#bzflag bz6522 (~d8a6826d@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:49.06 | Tupone_ | I dunno, if was able to mess with Mailing list .. |
| 22:49.26 | JeffM2501 | well good for you for changing that |
| 22:49.40 | Tupone_ | same patch is at viper with 1.10 |
| 22:49.44 | bz6522 | who knows what to do to get a server on the public list on a windows xp? |
| 22:49.53 | Legoguy | but either way that's good |
| 22:50.04 | JeffM2501 | bz6522: same as all other servers with -public and -publicaddr |
| 22:50.23 | bz6522 | i dont know what to do though im 13 |
| 22:50.50 | JeffM2501 | age is not a valid excuse |
| 22:50.56 | JeffM2501 | what kind of internet conection do you have? |
| 22:51.03 | Tupone_ | I'd prefer a random type of flag, to fake cheater |
| 22:51.04 | bz6522 | cable |
| 22:51.09 | Legoguy | read about how to set up a server by using bzfs.exe instead of "start server" in the menu |
| 22:51.24 | bz6522 | i have read that i dont get it |
| 22:51.44 | Legoguy | read it a few more times, it really isn't that hard to understand |
| 22:52.15 | bz6522 | i keep doing it and i get a server up but it isnt public |
| 22:52.17 | JeffM2501 | are you behind a firewall or router bz6522 ? |
| 22:52.41 | JeffM2501 | bz6522: is your cable connetion shared between more the one computer |
| 22:52.45 | bz6522 | like a wireless router and i hav |
| 22:52.47 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (creeperz@host-157-143-230-24.midco.net) |
| 22:52.47 | Legoguy | forward port 5154 to your computer behind the router |
| 22:52.49 | bz6522 | nyes it is |
| 22:52.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:53.00 | JeffM2501 | that will prevent you from running a public server |
| 22:53.06 | bz6522 | nwhat will |
| 22:53.08 | JeffM2501 | you need to set up a "static route" |
| 22:53.20 | JeffM2501 | the wireless router by default blocks all incoming trafic |
| 22:53.20 | bz6522 | whats that? |
| 22:53.23 | Legoguy | (ie port forwarding" |
| 22:53.25 | Legoguy | )* |
| 22:53.30 | JeffM2501 | it should be a feature of your router |
| 22:53.39 | JeffM2501 | yes it could also be called port forwarding |
| 22:53.42 | JeffM2501 | who set up your router? |
| 22:53.48 | Legoguy | if it's linksys or netgear they both call it port forwarding |
| 22:53.49 | bz6522 | like directly pluging the cable to my computer? |
| 22:53.56 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 22:54.02 | JeffM2501 | who set up your router? |
| 22:54.02 | bz6522 | it is linsis |
| 22:54.12 | bz6522 | a friend of ours |
| 22:54.30 | JeffM2501 | ok then I'd get them to help you set up a port forward for port 5154 |
| 22:54.41 | JeffM2501 | that will tell the router it's OK for the bzflag data to get to your computer |
| 22:54.48 | JeffM2501 | then people from outside can play on your server |
| 22:54.58 | JeffM2501 | and then it can show up on the public list |
| 22:55.07 | bz6522 | is it something that you could tell me how to do ? |
| 22:55.20 | JeffM2501 | we are not experts on your router setup |
| 22:55.28 | creeperz | bz6522: just contact your tech supprot for the router |
| 22:55.30 | bz6522 | nnether is our friend |
| 22:55.31 | JeffM2501 | If you want to try It I'd get the manual |
| 22:55.34 | JeffM2501 | for your router |
| 22:55.39 | JeffM2501 | it's not a hard thing to do |
| 22:55.43 | JeffM2501 | but all routers are diferent |
| 22:55.54 | JeffM2501 | and we would not want to be responsible for screwing up your router |
| 22:55.58 | bz6522 | nok what is the thing to do again? |
| 22:56.13 | creeperz | forward port 5154 to your machine |
| 22:56.17 | creeperz | the server |
| 22:56.18 | JeffM2501 | if your going to host a public server it's probably a good idea that you are at least familiar with how your router works |
| 22:56.33 | bz6522 | ok |
| 22:56.34 | JeffM2501 | since you are opeing up your computer to the public, and possibly attack. |
| 22:56.42 | creeperz | bz6522: if there are options, its a good idea to open up TCP and UDP |
| 22:56.54 | bz6522 | whatever that is |
| 22:56.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah port 5154 and both TCP and UDP |
| 22:57.06 | JeffM2501 | you may want to ask your parents for help and permision |
| 22:57.22 | bz6522 | ya i think ill just qut |
| 22:57.35 | JeffM2501 | if you do it wrong you could open your house up to a lot of problems. |
| 22:57.37 | creeperz | bz6522: if you just quit, you will never learn anything ^_^ |
| 22:57.44 | Legoguy | each and every computer has 65536 "ports" for data transmission; web sites usually use port 80, FTP 20 and 21, and bzflag 5154 - port forwarding on your router redirects an incoming port, which is normally blocked, to a specific computer in your network. Which computer address that is is up to you to find out, but once you forward 5154 UDP and TCP to your computer it will work. |
| 22:57.46 | JeffM2501 | it's not hard |
| 22:57.51 | JeffM2501 | you'll just have to do some researching |
| 22:58.01 | bz6522 | one more thing what is the bzfs.conf file for? |
| 22:58.02 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy: like he's going to read that :) |
| 22:58.09 | Legoguy | JeffM2501: ;P |
| 22:58.16 | JeffM2501 | it is one way to pass options to the server when you start it |
| 22:58.22 | JeffM2501 | bzfs has many many options |
| 22:58.32 | bz6522 | how do i use that file? |
| 22:58.38 | JeffM2501 | you make one |
| 22:58.41 | JeffM2501 | and put your options in it |
| 22:58.42 | bz6522 | ni did |
| 22:58.53 | Legoguy | start bzfs.exe -conf bzfs.conf |
| 22:59.01 | JeffM2501 | then when you run bzfs from the command line you do bzfs.exe -config YOUR_CONFIG_FILE |
| 22:59.09 | learner | heh, nice JeffM2501 =) |
| 22:59.18 | Legoguy | JeffM2501: isn't it -conf, not -config? |
| 22:59.27 | creeperz | its -conf |
| 22:59.37 | JeffM2501 | or something |
| 22:59.41 | creeperz | to the better of my knowledge anyhow |
| 22:59.59 | Legoguy | its what all of my servers use so obviously it works :P |
| 23:00.01 | bz6522 | what conf file should i use? |
| 23:00.10 | Legoguy | whatever you name it |
| 23:00.11 | creeperz | bz6522: your own |
| 23:00.12 | JeffM2501 | one that has the options YOU want |
| 23:00.22 | JeffM2501 | you hav to make one with what ever you want on your server |
| 23:00.30 | JeffM2501 | flag counts, map, all that. |
| 23:00.31 | bz6522 | nso instead of bzfs name it ne thing? |
| 23:00.41 | JeffM2501 | what ever your file is named |
| 23:00.45 | bz6522 | cool |
| 23:00.52 | creeperz | bz6522: what operating system are you running? |
| 23:00.53 | bz6522 | thanks guys |
| 23:00.54 | Legoguy | anything, the name doesn't matter, as long as you specify it on the command line |
| 23:00.59 | JeffM2501 | what version of AOL do you have? |
| 23:01.02 | bz6522 | windows xp |
| 23:01.05 | creeperz | :-P |
| 23:01.09 | bz6522 | ni dont have aol |
| 23:01.13 | Legoguy | thank god |
| 23:01.15 | creeperz | JeffM2501: :-P |
| 23:01.17 | JeffM2501 | well he passes test 1 |
| 23:01.21 | Legoguy | haha |
| 23:01.29 | bz6522 | why was that a test? |
| 23:01.46 | Legoguy | simply put, aol sucks |
| 23:01.46 | JeffM2501 | most kids just want to start a server and they are ill prepared for what it entials |
| 23:01.50 | JeffM2501 | that too |
| 23:01.52 | creeperz | bz6522: ok, make a file called server.bat and put it in with your bzflag stuff |
| 23:02.07 | JeffM2501 | creeperz: don't get him on the bat thing |
| 23:02.12 | creeperz | oh |
| 23:02.14 | creeperz | alright |
| 23:02.16 | creeperz | good idea |
| 23:02.22 | Legoguy | i was gonna say, don't use bat right away |
| 23:02.22 | bz6522 | nim getting confused |
| 23:02.25 | creeperz | bz6522: just make a file called server.conf |
| 23:02.28 | creeperz | put it in there |
| 23:02.35 | bz6522 | :-s |
| 23:02.42 | JeffM2501 | creeperz: don't tell him too much |
| 23:02.48 | creeperz | bz6522: make a standard text document |
| 23:02.52 | JeffM2501 | bz6522: you can't realy do anything untill you get that router fixed |
| 23:02.53 | creeperz | and name it server.conf |
| 23:03.00 | JeffM2501 | creeperz: STOP IT |
| 23:03.02 | JeffM2501 | NOW |
| 23:03.08 | creeperz | alright |
| 23:03.16 | creeperz | oh, theres a bzfs builder too :-/ |
| 23:03.30 | bz6522 | can i directly hook my computer to the cable and not go through the router? |
| 23:03.32 | JeffM2501 | you just don't know when to quit do you? |
| 23:03.41 | creeperz | sorry :-( |
| 23:03.43 | JeffM2501 | bz6522: yes, but then your computer is open to the net |
| 23:03.46 | creeperz | just trying to help |
| 23:03.49 | JeffM2501 | and very very hackable |
| 23:04.03 | bz6522 | so i dont have to do the router stuff |
| 23:04.09 | JeffM2501 | creeperz: telling him steps that are WAY past where he can even get is a hindernance. |
| 23:04.11 | Legoguy | bz6522: if this is confusing you, it might be better to wait a while until you know more about how the computer works, how the network works, and how bzfs works - then you won't be so easily confused. |
| 23:04.26 | bz6522 | ok |
| 23:04.34 | JeffM2501 | bz6522: if you do that your' coumputer will be virus infected and all screwd up in a mater of hours. |
| 23:04.37 | creeperz | JeffM2501: sorry :-( |
| 23:04.52 | JeffM2501 | bz6522: just go read up on your router |
| 23:04.54 | JeffM2501 | it's not that hard |
| 23:04.59 | JeffM2501 | and it's the best way to do it. |
| 23:05.05 | bz6522 | nbut doing the router thing will do the same thing right? |
| 23:05.16 | Legoguy | the instruction manual is a good place to start |
| 23:05.17 | JeffM2501 | no, the router thing will open it up JUST for bzflag |
| 23:05.18 | Legoguy | no |
| 23:05.21 | JeffM2501 | ther is still some risk |
| 23:05.24 | JeffM2501 | but a lot less |
| 23:05.26 | bz6522 | oh |
| 23:05.30 | JeffM2501 | a lot lot less |
| 23:05.45 | bz6522 | nok well i go to go guys thanks for all the help |
| 23:05.46 | Legoguy | i'd say 99.9% less risk |
| 23:05.51 | Legoguy | np |
| 23:05.53 | bz6522 | bye |
| 23:06.00 | JeffM2501 | well 1/64768 less :) |
| 23:06.07 | Legoguy | yeah :P |
| 23:06.31 | JeffM2501 | I say if you aren't ready for real IRC, your not ready for a server |
| 23:06.34 | Legoguy | well at least the poor kid didnt type in all caps and use AOL |
| 23:06.59 | JeffM2501 | or ask how to put a bzflag server on his webserver |
| 23:07.04 | Legoguy | lol |
| 23:07.26 | Legoguy | what's saying he has one |
| 23:07.33 | learner | ~1.0 / 65536.0 |
| 23:07.34 | ibot | 0.000015258789 |
| 23:07.39 | JeffM2501 | Creepers didn't mean to be rude, but often the best help is going slow, not slaming out info |
| 23:07.52 | JeffM2501 | and it takes a wiser man to know what not to say :) |
| 23:07.52 | Legoguy | if he doesn't know what port forwarding is i doubt he has a webserver |
| 23:07.57 | Legoguy | yeah |
| 23:08.12 | JeffM2501 | he may have goten a webhost with his ISP account |
| 23:08.15 | JeffM2501 | so he may |
| 23:08.23 | Legoguy | not that creeperz isn't wise... but |
| 23:08.26 | Legoguy | :P |
| 23:08.31 | creeperz | ... |
| 23:08.32 | creeperz | thanks |
| 23:08.33 | creeperz | :-P |
| 23:08.42 | JeffM2501 | it's easy to get excited slaming out info |
| 23:08.51 | creeperz | i was just trying to help him |
| 23:08.55 | JeffM2501 | I kow |
| 23:09.00 | creeperz | i didnt know you guys were already getting to that |
| 23:09.03 | JeffM2501 | he was way over his head |
| 23:09.10 | JeffM2501 | no we weren't |
| 23:09.11 | Legoguy | yeah |
| 23:09.18 | JeffM2501 | not untill he got his router fixed |
| 23:09.25 | creeperz | i was just going to explain the basics of the .conf file and the parameters |
| 23:09.29 | JeffM2501 | cus what's the point of telling him a config when it just won't work |
| 23:09.33 | Legoguy | creeperz: WAY too much info right there |
| 23:09.41 | Legoguy | because that would have scared him away |
| 23:09.42 | BIYA | Is there any chance that someone willing enough to make a bzedit2.0.0?? If he or she does im sure they will be loved by every mapper there is :) |
| 23:09.43 | Legoguy | lol |
| 23:09.45 | JeffM2501 | creeperz: that would have been fine, if he had open ports :) |
| 23:09.57 | creeperz | haha |
| 23:09.58 | JeffM2501 | otherise all the stuf you tell him, wouldn't do a damned thing for him |
| 23:10.05 | creeperz | yeah |
| 23:10.18 | Legoguy | BIYA: afaik brlcad is making a brlcad exporter for bzflag maps |
| 23:10.27 | JeffM2501 | BIYA: have you even TRIED the object exporter? |
| 23:10.31 | *** part/#bzflag linuxclub (~linuxclub@ppp-217-133-1-186.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 23:10.42 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy: wow are you ever screwed up :) |
| 23:10.59 | JeffM2501 | trepan and purple_cow have played with a blender export |
| 23:10.59 | Legoguy | seriously though, he did say that... well he said he might |
| 23:11.05 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:11.10 | JeffM2501 | I made the OBJ exporter |
| 23:11.19 | JeffM2501 | trepan made the 3ds one |
| 23:11.36 | Legoguy | i'm saying an exporter FROM BRLCAD |
| 23:11.37 | creeperz | JeffM2501: is your OBJ exporter more stable that the 3ds exporter? |
| 23:11.47 | JeffM2501 | creeperz: have you tried it? |
| 23:11.52 | BIYA | Im extremly behind the new mapping procedures and what not...No I have not tried the object expoter...Ad what is a brlcad exporter? |
| 23:11.53 | creeperz | i tried the 3ds exporter |
| 23:11.55 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy: yeah I think he joked about it once. |
| 23:11.57 | creeperz | wouldnt make for me |
| 23:12.06 | JeffM2501 | the 3ds exporter is not the OBJ exporter |
| 23:12.07 | Legoguy | well it would be sweet if he did |
| 23:12.07 | *** join/#bzflag dfgsdja (~18ecd73a@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:12.11 | creeperz | i know |
| 23:12.21 | JeffM2501 | creeperz: so just say "no" :) |
| 23:12.27 | learner | Legoguy: soon :) |
| 23:12.36 | Legoguy | meh |
| 23:12.36 | creeperz | oh |
| 23:12.37 | JeffM2501 | it seems a lot more stable to me |
| 23:12.46 | creeperz | where could i find it? |
| 23:12.55 | JeffM2501 | I used it to make all the prefabs I've posted |
| 23:13.00 | creeperz | i tried the 3ds exporter and it wouldnt output anything |
| 23:13.16 | creeperz | prefabs? |
| 23:13.20 | JeffM2501 | did you use it right? |
| 23:13.23 | JeffM2501 | prefabs |
| 23:13.29 | JeffM2501 | noone ever reads anymore |
| 23:13.31 | BIYA | Is there an easyer way to make a 2.0 style maps? |
| 23:13.40 | JeffM2501 | what is a 2.0 style map? |
| 23:13.41 | creeperz | BIYA: notepad |
| 23:13.42 | creeperz | :-P |
| 23:13.44 | Legoguy | gvim |
| 23:13.45 | JeffM2501 | the format hasn't changed |
| 23:13.48 | BIYA | ahhh |
| 23:13.54 | JeffM2501 | it's just more objects |
| 23:13.59 | BIYA | I mean with the new stuff in the map |
| 23:14.02 | Legoguy | more complicated objects too |
| 23:14.05 | JeffM2501 | I don't get why everyone things this is so hard |
| 23:14.13 | JeffM2501 | there are some new prims |
| 23:14.15 | JeffM2501 | and meshes |
| 23:14.18 | sgk284 | ping nidhoggr |
| 23:14.19 | Legoguy | materials |
| 23:14.23 | JeffM2501 | and the variables |
| 23:14.24 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:14.32 | Legoguy | physics drivers |
| 23:14.34 | JeffM2501 | what do you want to do BIYA ? |
| 23:14.36 | BIYA | Variables I have no problem with |
| 23:14.52 | JeffM2501 | what are you trying to do in your map that you just can't figure out? |
| 23:15.07 | BIYA | Make a map with all the new stuff easyer than notpad though |
| 23:15.17 | *** join/#bzflag Noodlema1 (~tuckerm@bc186118.bendcable.com) |
| 23:15.21 | JeffM2501 | no there is no visual editor |
| 23:15.24 | JeffM2501 | there never has been |
| 23:15.29 | JeffM2501 | nor has there been a plan to make one |
| 23:15.31 | Legoguy | bzedit though |
| 23:15.34 | JeffM2501 | now what do you mean by "new stuff" |
| 23:15.42 | JeffM2501 | do you want to make mesh objects? |
| 23:15.47 | JeffM2501 | and not do them in notepad? |
| 23:16.03 | JeffM2501 | or do you not realy have an idea of what you can do in 2.0? |
| 23:16.07 | BIYA | Ice, exloding boxes, so on |
| 23:16.18 | JeffM2501 | those are physics drivers |
| 23:16.19 | Legoguy | that's pretty easy |
| 23:16.24 | JeffM2501 | those you do in notepad |
| 23:16.31 | JeffM2501 | they are not graphical |
| 23:16.35 | BIYA | But I dont want to use notpad |
| 23:16.43 | Legoguy | then use turbopad |
| 23:16.51 | Legoguy | it's not notepad at least :P |
| 23:16.56 | JeffM2501 | you have to do it in text |
| 23:16.59 | JeffM2501 | there is no other way |
| 23:17.00 | sgk284 | gvim is nice on windows |
| 23:17.03 | JeffM2501 | so if you don't want to type |
| 23:17.08 | JeffM2501 | then your not going to make any maps |
| 23:17.15 | Legoguy | sgk284: nod |
| 23:17.18 | JeffM2501 | it's as simple as that |
| 23:17.30 | JeffM2501 | how do you think people made maps before bzedit was made |
| 23:17.39 | BIYA | Notepad |
| 23:17.40 | Legoguy | text |
| 23:18.00 | creeperz | edit.com :-P |
| 23:18.06 | JeffM2501 | so 2.0 is SO compilcated that you can't copy exmaples from the manpage into your map? |
| 23:18.08 | gina | mc |
| 23:18.11 | JeffM2501 | you have to have a visual editor? |
| 23:18.16 | BIYA | I know this but since bzedit was made....More maps were made and lots of them were better than the notepadded ones |
| 23:18.24 | Legoguy | not true |
| 23:18.32 | gina | c++ |
| 23:18.33 | JeffM2501 | there were many maps before |
| 23:18.42 | BIYA | I know this |
| 23:18.53 | gina | xml/xsd |
| 23:18.54 | JeffM2501 | so what is your plan b? |
| 23:18.54 | Legoguy | most of the ones for 2.0 are made with text and are far better than some of the ones from 1.10 |
| 23:18.55 | creeperz | BIYA: if you know what youre doing in notepad, then theyll be just as good |
| 23:19.06 | sgk284 | BIYA: its impossible to argue with jeff :) |
| 23:19.14 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy: I made min in milkshape |
| 23:19.25 | BIYA | Im fighting a losing battle :) |
| 23:19.32 | JeffM2501 | no your not even fighting |
| 23:19.39 | JeffM2501 | your just saying the same thing over and over again |
| 23:19.43 | creeperz | ...a very boring one at that... |
| 23:19.47 | JeffM2501 | with out even trying the tools we have given you. |
| 23:19.57 | JeffM2501 | have you EVEN tried the model tool? |
| 23:20.01 | creeperz | and microsoft... |
| 23:20.03 | BIYA | What tools? |
| 23:20.10 | Legoguy | granted you can use programs like milkshape - but it's better to use primitives where possible instead of meshing |
| 23:20.10 | sgk284 | BIYA: i would make the map in bzedit, then add physics with notepad |
| 23:20.13 | sgk284 | its easy |
| 23:20.15 | JeffM2501 | the one that makes mesh objects |
| 23:20.23 | JeffM2501 | have you even looked at the 2.0 man page? |
| 23:20.24 | Legoguy | or is it better? |
| 23:20.35 | JeffM2501 | that describes how to do your physics things? |
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| 23:21.06 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy: depends what your making |
| 23:21.22 | JeffM2501 | if your trying to make complex shapes out of a buttload of boxes |
| 23:21.27 | JeffM2501 | then a mesh may be beter |
| 23:21.37 | JeffM2501 | but if you just doing a box, then yeah a prim is better. |
| 23:21.49 | JeffM2501 | some shapes just can't be done out of prims |
| 23:21.51 | BIYA | just trying to get caught up on things |
| 23:22.01 | JeffM2501 | ok that's fine |
| 23:22.09 | JeffM2501 | have you read the bzw manual? |
| 23:22.26 | BIYA | nope |
| 23:22.33 | JeffM2501 | that' would be a good place to start |
| 23:22.41 | BIYA | where? |
| 23:22.41 | JeffM2501 | even if you had an editor |
| 23:22.46 | JeffM2501 | www.bzflag.org |
| 23:22.48 | JeffM2501 | geting help |
| 23:22.51 | JeffM2501 | manuals |
| 23:22.52 | BIYA | k |
| 23:23.04 | Legoguy | JeffM2501: is milkshape still shareware? can't see anything about that on their site |
| 23:23.13 | JeffM2501 | 30 days free |
| 23:23.20 | JeffM2501 | then $25 one shot fee |
| 23:23.24 | Legoguy | doh |
| 23:23.25 | JeffM2501 | very reasonable |
| 23:23.28 | BIYA | Is there even a tiny chance that a visual editor might be made |
| 23:23.32 | Legoguy | i prefer zmodeler myself |
| 23:23.35 | JeffM2501 | there is chance in anything |
| 23:23.37 | sgk284 | BIYA, can you code? |
| 23:23.44 | JeffM2501 | but I know of no active projects to make one |
| 23:24.06 | BIYA | No cant code :) Is it hard to learn codeing? |
| 23:24.10 | JeffM2501 | even with the blender or brlcad plugins, the are most likely going to do objects, and not stuff like physics drivers. |
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| 23:24.31 | Legoguy | JeffM2501: i know that |
| 23:24.42 | JeffM2501 | BIYA: honestly, if you didn't even think to read the manpage before coming in here and beging for an editor, coding is probably ouside your leauge |
| 23:24.53 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy: does zmodeler do obj? |
| 23:25.00 | Legoguy | yea |
| 23:25.05 | JeffM2501 | then you should be fine |
| 23:25.08 | Legoguy | i think |
| 23:25.09 | Legoguy | heh |
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| 23:26.19 | Legoguy | i'm updating my version now to see |
| 23:26.41 | JeffM2501 | a windows build of the obj converter was posted on bzbb as well |
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| 23:27.39 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 23:27.49 | Legoguy | i have both windows and linux running simultaneously here, win on laptop, linux on desktop and server |
| 23:27.49 | JeffM2501 | mostly saying that for BIYA |
| 23:28.21 | Legoguy | eeps |
| 23:28.40 | Legoguy | only a lil split |
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| 23:29.49 | BIYA | Okay...Reading the bzw manual..The options part is like the variables file that I put in txt format for my server? |
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| 23:30.02 | JeffM2501 | yes |
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| 23:30.13 | BIYA | but in the world itself :) |
| 23:30.23 | JeffM2501 | it's so that the map can define setings |
| 23:30.31 | BIYA | wow |
| 23:30.34 | JeffM2501 | like if the map was made for jumps to be certan height |
| 23:30.37 | JeffM2501 | or made to have rain |
| 23:30.38 | BIYA | learning :) |
| 23:30.43 | JeffM2501 | amazing |
| 23:30.52 | BIYA | HEY!! |
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| 23:34.02 | Legoguy | I don't think its right that a map can override certain user-set settings like bullet tails, zoom level, etc |
| 23:34.06 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: Mac Mini for $450 now ;) |
| 23:34.15 | JeffM2501 | where? |
| 23:34.32 | JBdiGriz | target.com 10% discount on all of their merchandise |
| 23:34.37 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:34.40 | JeffM2501 | well too late |
| 23:34.49 | JBdiGriz | check http://www.dealmac.com |
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| 23:35.07 | JeffM2501 | yes but I have one NOW |
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| 23:36.30 | JeffM2501 | not my fault your all bitter about em :) |
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| 23:38.16 | purple_cow | true |
| 23:38.24 | JeffM2501 | I did have to get an iSpatula to crack it open |
| 23:40.34 | JeffM2501 | it apears to be working well |
| 23:40.39 | JeffM2501 | not may things in it to break |
| 23:40.46 | JeffM2501 | and I don't plan on moding it |
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| 23:48.48 | JeffM2501 | ha, forgot that the mini can burn CDs |
| 23:50.15 | BIYA | Okay I understand half of what the man pages said |
| 23:50.57 | cods | JeffM2501: I guess DVD too, no ? |
| 23:51.10 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:51.15 | JeffM2501 | I did not get that upgrade |
| 23:51.35 | JeffM2501 | not paying 100$ for a 4x dvd burner |
| 23:51.44 | JeffM2501 | so I'll get a firewire case for my 16x one |
| 23:51.52 | JeffM2501 | and use it on both systems |
| 23:51.55 | BIYA | I got some questions |
| 23:52.02 | BIYA | sorry to both you :) |
| 23:52.33 | BIYA | what is a mesh? |
| 23:52.45 | JeffM2501 | an object made up of triangles |
| 23:52.50 | JeffM2501 | or other polygons |
| 23:53.02 | BIYA | to make spheres and such? |
| 23:53.09 | JeffM2501 | to make whatever |
| 23:53.14 | JeffM2501 | you see the tree I made |
| 23:53.15 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 23:53.22 | BIYA | yeah |
| 23:53.26 | JeffM2501 | that's a mesh |
| 23:53.32 | JeffM2501 | one single mesh object |
| 23:53.53 | JeffM2501 | ok well 2 |
| 23:53.58 | JeffM2501 | one for the trunk one for the leaves |
| 23:53.59 | BIYA | lol |
| 23:54.14 | BIYA | What is the line in text for a sphere? |
| 23:54.34 | JeffM2501 | don't think ther is a sphere object |
| 23:54.36 | JeffM2501 | so there isn't one |
| 23:54.51 | BIYA | It said in the man pages I think |
| 23:55.03 | JeffM2501 | then it would have said what the object was |
| 23:55.16 | BIYA | I didnt understand it :) |
| 23:55.57 | cods | there is a sphere object |
| 23:56.14 | cods | position give center, size give.. well.. size. |
| 23:57.05 | cods | sphere, cone and arc are internally transformed into meshes objects anyway. |
| 23:57.14 | BIYA | Yeah those |
| 23:57.32 | BIYA | Trying to understand is how to make those |
| 23:57.58 | JeffM2501 | you don't make meshes by hand |
| 23:58.02 | JeffM2501 | you make them with a modeler |
| 23:58.05 | JeffM2501 | and convert them |
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| 23:58.31 | BIYA | What is a good modeler? |
| 23:58.39 | JeffM2501 | there are many |
| 23:58.47 | BIYA | I know that |
| 23:58.48 | JeffM2501 | blender is free |
| 23:58.51 | JeffM2501 | and has tutorials |
| 23:58.54 | JeffM2501 | I've never used it |
| 23:59.02 | BIYA | Blender is also a huge file |
| 23:59.09 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 23:59.14 | BIYA | 56K |
| 23:59.20 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 23:59.22 | BIYA | take a few hours :) |
| 23:59.25 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 23:59.30 | JeffM2501 | do you want to make meshes or not? |
| 23:59.31 | BIYA | god damnit fine |
| 23:59.43 | BIYA | Whats the url? |
| 23:59.56 | JeffM2501 | google |
