| 00:01.12 | nvz | it really sucks to see projects in a spot like this.. a point where development has to take a sharp turn to implement something that was overlooked |
| 00:01.35 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 00:01.46 | nvz | I could play with the mouse alright.. but I would need higher responsivness. I dont think the game could do it, so I would have to do it in X server |
| 00:02.11 | Patlabor221 | you can change the size of the mouse boxes that basicly changes senstivity |
| 00:02.21 | Patlabor221 | shoudl be an option in the mnu |
| 00:02.25 | Patlabor221 | tho that may be CVS too |
| 00:02.26 | nvz | the keyboard is just annoying, there are too many keys too close together, I cant always be sure I am pressing the right buttons in gameplay |
| 00:02.27 | Patlabor221 | I forget |
| 00:02.51 | Patlabor221 | I think it's under gui options |
| 00:03.09 | Tupone | nvz: did you get libSDL-dev |
| 00:03.13 | Patlabor221 | that was done a long while ago |
| 00:03.24 | nvz | yeah I seen it, and made it as low as it would go, didnt notice any difference.. I thought it changed the size of that square on the screnn *shrug* |
| 00:03.35 | Patlabor221 | it does |
| 00:03.42 | Patlabor221 | and that square is where it goes full speed |
| 00:03.51 | Patlabor221 | so efectvlyit means less motion to full speed |
| 00:03.56 | nvz | Tupone: no, I am not building it anymore.. whats the point of having js support if its not compatible with 99% of the servers |
| 00:04.12 | Tupone | hehe ok. I have it |
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| 00:04.42 | Tupone | ciao orchid |
| 00:04.49 | orchid | ciao |
| 00:05.00 | nvz | its a toss up between living with it for now, hacking a kernel mod, or trying a patch to the existing source package |
| 00:05.23 | Patlabor221 | the patch should apply decently clean |
| 00:06.27 | nvz | yeah assuming it even works for what I want to do |
| 00:06.54 | nvz | and I assume it still requires that its built with SDL enabled, which tims package is not? |
| 00:07.16 | Patlabor221 | there are 4 patches |
| 00:07.21 | Patlabor221 | each does difrent |
| 00:07.23 | Patlabor221 | some do SDL |
| 00:07.39 | Patlabor221 | one should use annother lib |
| 00:07.46 | nvz | ah so this has annoyed people who know more about programming than me? thats what I like to hear ;) |
| 00:08.32 | nvz | I mean I should be able to use SDL. just figure there is a reason why tim doesnt have it enabled.. its likely not to work |
| 00:10.46 | Patlabor221 | it's not an 'enabled" thing |
| 00:10.58 | Patlabor221 | we didn't do a SDL backend till after 1.10.6 was done |
| 00:11.12 | nvz | ok |
| 00:11.18 | Patlabor221 | bzflag 1.10.x dosnt' even know what to do with SDL |
| 00:11.38 | nvz | right, so a js patch that uses SDL isnt going to work like I figured |
| 00:11.39 | Patlabor221 | the patches that use SDL will add in code that will make that version use it |
| 00:11.46 | Patlabor221 | it could |
| 00:11.55 | Patlabor221 | I don't see how you can make a snap judgement like that |
| 00:12.18 | Patlabor221 | does your joystick work in other games? |
| 00:12.28 | nvz | I cant, I was all up for figuring it out 5 hours ago, and I was seconds from building CVS when I realized its not compatible with the servers |
| 00:12.38 | Patlabor221 | what? |
| 00:12.47 | Patlabor221 | just cus it has SDL dosn't mean it's incompatable |
| 00:12.51 | nvz | now I am not wanting to take 5 more hours towards something that a few seconds through could prove wrong |
| 00:12.53 | Patlabor221 | those are 2 totaly seperate issues |
| 00:13.06 | Patlabor221 | dude just install the SDL dev package |
| 00:13.09 | Patlabor221 | that's all it would need |
| 00:13.14 | Patlabor221 | it's not that hard |
| 00:13.23 | Patlabor221 | I get debian to build bz in like 10 min |
| 00:13.34 | nvz | well if I go get the patches, I can use apt to fetch the source and build deps and try them |
| 00:13.36 | Patlabor221 | CVS and regular |
| 00:13.47 | Patlabor221 | step 1 |
| 00:13.55 | Patlabor221 | use apt to get the sources for 1.10.6 |
| 00:13.59 | Patlabor221 | make sure you can build it |
| 00:14.07 | Patlabor221 | step 2, install the SDL package |
| 00:14.11 | Patlabor221 | sdl-dev IIRC |
| 00:14.18 | Patlabor221 | or sdl-1.2-dev |
| 00:14.23 | Patlabor221 | setp 3 |
| 00:14.27 | Patlabor221 | get the patch and apply it |
| 00:14.30 | Patlabor221 | then build |
| 00:14.45 | Patlabor221 | that will make you a 1.10.x compatable version with USB joystick support |
| 00:14.54 | Patlabor221 | should take 15 min |
| 00:15.12 | Patlabor221 | asuming apt can do the source dependencys on the 1.10.6 sourcefile like you say it can |
| 00:16.17 | Patlabor221 | if that takes 5 hours, then something is way wacky with your system |
| 00:17.51 | nvz | the majority of tyhe time was installing and learing to ge tthe code with CVS |
| 00:18.02 | Patlabor221 | then you won't have that issue |
| 00:18.06 | Patlabor221 | it's just a patch |
| 00:18.19 | Patlabor221 | simple search of the patches on bzflag SF site will show em |
| 00:18.29 | Patlabor221 | then its' just a call to patch |
| 00:21.49 | nvz | I've got a mess to clean up from the last attempt first |
| 00:22.21 | Patlabor221 | rm -rf bzflag :) |
| 00:22.28 | Patlabor221 | done and done :) |
| 00:23.22 | nvz | na I got CVS and a bunch of debian build utils I wont be needing |
| 00:23.47 | Patlabor221 | they won't hurt any other builds |
| 00:23.47 | nvz | I just need the stuff from build-essential and the stuff the source package pulls in |
| 00:23.56 | Patlabor221 | they just won't use them |
| 00:24.01 | Patlabor221 | what ever floats your boat |
| 00:24.06 | nvz | no but its cruft.. I cant administer a system I dont keep track of whats on it |
| 00:24.14 | nvz | a month from now I will have no clue what those are for |
| 00:24.27 | Patlabor221 | sounds like a personal problem ;) |
| 00:24.37 | Patlabor221 | I can't fathom not having the dev kits on a system |
| 00:24.43 | Patlabor221 | how else does one build things |
| 00:24.51 | nvz | one usually doesnt |
| 00:24.56 | Patlabor221 | no you don't |
| 00:24.57 | Patlabor221 | I do |
| 00:24.57 | nvz | unless you are a DD |
| 00:25.04 | Patlabor221 | that's allmost a I do on linux systems |
| 00:25.14 | Patlabor221 | build, or test builds |
| 00:25.14 | nvz | debian Sarge has over 15000 packages already built |
| 00:25.26 | Patlabor221 | yes but it dosn't have the new software I'm writing |
| 00:25.39 | Patlabor221 | or the bug fixes that I'm doing for things |
| 00:25.50 | nvz | nope.. but what do I need your software for? are you doing something new, or reinventing the wheel? |
| 00:26.01 | Patlabor221 | well fixing stuff in bzflag |
| 00:26.07 | Patlabor221 | making my own game library |
| 00:26.29 | Patlabor221 | or are you of the "all software that can be made has allready been writen somwhere' mentality? |
| 00:26.33 | nvz | Patlabor221: well I dont need CVS and debhelper, and crap to build.. build-essential is all you need for normal builds |
| 00:26.49 | Patlabor221 | how do you expect to debug :) |
| 00:27.00 | Patlabor221 | or update to the current code? |
| 00:27.01 | nvz | thats why there is a build-essential meta package in debian.. its the essentials for building .. heh |
| 00:27.09 | Patlabor221 | like when somone says "decks" :) |
| 00:28.04 | nvz | along with all that other crap I isntalled today |
| 00:28.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah we would call you a "user" |
| 00:28.52 | Patlabor221 | CVS does suck, but we can't switch to subversion yet |
| 00:29.00 | nvz | theres no point in having things you dont understand on your system.. I keep basic build things like kernels and stuff.. and I keep build-essential and kernel and ncurses header files, and fakeroot..e tc |
| 00:29.01 | Patlabor221 | or scons |
| 00:29.26 | Patlabor221 | yeah your not a develper :) |
| 00:29.36 | nvz | I installed a ton of crap I never used before today to try build CVS of bzflag |
| 00:29.44 | nvz | I certainly dont need it |
| 00:30.52 | Patlabor221 | well your in the realm of expanding your game, your developing in a sense |
| 00:30.56 | Patlabor221 | so you'd need dev tools |
| 00:30.58 | nvz | The things I need to just build an occational kernel module or patch I leave on my system.. but all those fancy developer tools arent for me |
| 00:31.16 | Patlabor221 | ether that or wait till a nice sterile package for 2.0 comes out. |
| 00:32.27 | nvz | I will learn how to use that stuff once I finish reading the New Maintainers guide.. one of the first parts is familiarizing yourself with all the debian build tools |
| 00:32.32 | nvz | I havent gotten that far yet |
| 00:37.30 | nvz | I have plenty of pcs here, and this one I just finished building and setting up two days ago.. I dont need to already be crufting it up.. its not supoosed to have these sort of packages on it, its not the purpose I designed it for |
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| 00:42.11 | Legoguy | problem when landing on the center snow part of the Twisted Snowmen map: |
| 00:42.11 | Legoguy | pure virtual method called |
| 00:42.11 | Legoguy | terminate called without an active exception |
| 00:42.11 | Legoguy | zsh: 25222 abort ./src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 00:44.26 | Tupone | well, I'm leaving but a stack trace could help |
| 00:45.44 | Legoguy | Tupone, Patlabor221, turns out that i didn't actually manage to turn depth buffer back on, that was the problem |
| 00:46.00 | Legoguy | so it's a mem leak or something with depth buffer |
| 00:46.02 | nvz | oh well, should go frag some.. cant seem to find patches in the patches section of sf relating to js |
| 00:46.38 | nvz | hell if I could even use bigger keys on the keyboard like ctrl and alt or something it would be nice.. but it ignores those keys |
| 00:47.09 | nvz | going to have to live with it until I can work around it successfully |
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| 00:47.41 | nvz | try figure out what keys I am most likely not to hit something else by accident |
| 01:00.59 | Patlabor221 | why would you ever turn depth buffer off? |
| 01:01.04 | Patlabor221 | ever? |
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| 01:23.12 | learner | hola sussi |
| 01:23.17 | sussi | hola |
| 01:23.51 | sussi | just running the 1.11.28 |
| 01:24.10 | learner | whatcha think? |
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| 01:24.40 | sussi | the new unstable bzflag version |
| 01:24.50 | learner | yes.. |
| 01:24.54 | learner | what do you think about it? |
| 01:24.59 | sussi | nnice |
| 01:25.20 | sussi | still some bugs seems |
| 01:25.27 | learner | such as? |
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| 01:26.19 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | can i download an IRC client? |
| 01:26.32 | amathis | Sir_Lance_A_Lot: http://xchat.org |
| 01:26.35 | amathis | Sir_Lance_A_Lot: what OS? |
| 01:26.36 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | thanks |
| 01:26.39 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | WIN XP |
| 01:26.47 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | will that work? |
| 01:26.48 | amathis | Sir_Lance_A_Lot: oh.. don't download from ther |
| 01:26.51 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | k |
| 01:26.53 | amathis | because they charge now |
| 01:26.55 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | o |
| 01:26.58 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | :( |
| 01:26.59 | amathis | BUT, you can google for xchat windows |
| 01:27.02 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | ok |
| 01:27.04 | amathis | and you will find a free version |
| 01:27.05 | amathis | :) |
| 01:27.07 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | k |
| 01:27.08 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | thanks |
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| 01:32.33 | amathis | Sir_Lance_A_Lot: nice :) |
| 01:32.36 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | 8-) |
| 01:32.40 | Sir_Lance_A_Lot | got it |
| 01:33.44 | shorty114 | silverex.info |
| 01:33.46 | shorty114 | free xchat |
| 01:33.56 | orchid | http://silverex.info/download/ |
| 01:34.06 | amathis | VERSION xchat 2.4.1 [SilvereX] Windows 5.1 [i1586/2.53GHz] |
| 01:34.41 | shorty114 | http://silverex.info/compiling/ is interesting too |
| 01:35.35 | orchid | anyone ever used Pirch for windows? it was the first irc client I tried, dunno if its still around though |
| 01:37.01 | shorty114 | never heard of it... |
| 01:37.33 | shorty114 | i found http://www.pirch.com/ |
| 01:38.10 | shorty114 | http://www.pirch.com/software.html |
| 01:38.15 | shorty114 | for downloading |