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| 00:14.51 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: ws, my changes |
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| 01:42.47 | CIA-9 | opencombat: 03amathis101 * 10quadDraw/ (Makefile main.cpp main.h): trying key events |
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| 02:40.12 | FredCods | hi. When I tested bzflag-cvs (1.12) last time, I remember that settings can be embedded into the map file. But I don't find any doc. about that. |
| 02:46.28 | amathis | hmm |
| 02:46.54 | FredCods | I vaguely remember something like 'set <var-name> <var-value>' |
| 02:47.19 | blast007 | think it might have been an OPTIONS block |
| 02:47.23 | blast007 | can't recall though |
| 02:47.31 | FredCods | oh, yes.. something like that. |
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| 02:48.54 | FredCods | ok. Grepping for it give BZWReader.cxx. |
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| 02:49.02 | FredCods | ok, looking into that. |
| 02:49.05 | FredCods | thx |
| 02:49.09 | synic|h | Nidhoggr, you there? |
| 02:49.38 | *** join/#bzflag SilverFox (SilverFox@68-116-47-254.or.charter.com) |
| 02:49.49 | synic|h | how do you identify before you're booted on spirals? |
| 02:50.03 | SilverFox | press n to talk |
| 02:50.13 | SilverFox | then type /identify yourpasshere |
| 02:50.13 | synic|h | right... I get booted before I can do anything |
| 02:50.17 | synic|h | join == boot |
| 02:50.19 | SilverFox | where yourpasshere is your password. |
| 02:50.37 | SilverFox | do that before pressing the right mouse button (or i) |
| 02:52.17 | synic|h | dammit... someone registered my nick just to piss me off. |
| 02:52.26 | synic|h | they don't use it... they just don't want me to use it. |
| 02:52.31 | blast007 | :( |
| 02:52.34 | SilverFox | bummer. |
| 02:52.43 | SilverFox | can you use something similar instead? |
| 02:52.57 | SilverFox | ie, synic1h, or syniclh |
| 02:53.02 | synic|h | no.. I've always been synic online... and I've been playing on spirals as synic forever |
| 02:53.25 | SilverFox | and s`/n1[ wouldn't be cool? |
| 02:53.28 | SilverFox | ;) |
| 02:53.54 | blast007 | heh, that would probably get rejected by the "lame nick" code ;) |
| 02:54.57 | SilverFox | ah... but its l33t! |
| 02:55.42 | blast007 | ~nickometer s`/n1[ |
| 02:55.42 | ibot | 's`/n1[' is 90.000% lame, blast007 |
| 02:55.56 | SilverFox | heh... that's cool. |
| 02:56.12 | synic|h | I guess Nidhoggr isn't here... |
| 02:56.27 | SilverFox | ~nickometer 5y|\|1C |
| 02:56.27 | ibot | '5y|\|1C' is 99.630% lame, silverfox |
| 02:56.32 | Nidhoggr | ? |
| 02:56.41 | synic|h | Nidhoggr, anyway you can get my nick back for me? |
| 02:56.46 | SilverFox | ~nickometer SilverFox |
| 02:56.46 | ibot | 'SilverFox' is 0.000% lame, silverfox |
| 02:56.56 | Nidhoggr | how do you mean? |
| 02:57.06 | synic|h | Nidhoggr, someone reged my nick on spirals just to anger me. |
| 02:57.13 | Nidhoggr | what callsign? |
| 02:57.18 | synic|h | just "synic" |
| 02:57.20 | SilverFox | Nidhoggr, either his pass is lost or someone registered his nick to keep him from using it. |
| 02:57.32 | Nidhoggr | let me look. |
| 02:57.34 | synic|h | I didn't even know you could register it... |
| 02:57.48 | synic|h | I was playing not 10 minutes ago as synic. |
| 02:57.51 | SilverFox | better reg it if you get it back. |
| 02:57.57 | Nidhoggr | there is no synic in secretplace.users |
| 02:57.58 | synic|h | signed off, signed back on, and was booted. |
| 02:58.07 | Nidhoggr | ah. |
| 02:58.08 | Nidhoggr | found it. |
| 02:58.18 | Nidhoggr | did you register it yourself at any point? |
| 02:58.22 | synic|h | no |
| 02:58.33 | sgk284 | Nidhoggr, he didnt even know you could register it |
| 02:58.55 | sgk284 | synic you think someone had malicious intentions or just happend to use the same nick as you? |
| 02:59.13 | synic|h | sgk284, I think someone had malicious intentions. |
| 02:59.18 | amathis | hmm |
| 02:59.22 | synic|h | I was playing, signed off, signed back on and was booted |
| 02:59.25 | SilverFox | TimRiker, indeed |
| 02:59.38 | Nidhoggr | give me a few minutes to look at it. |
| 02:59.43 | amathis | it is easy enough to rotate a triangle.. but how to draw the tank... |
| 03:00.05 | sgk284 | amathis: where? |
| 03:00.12 | sgk284 | oh nevermind |
| 03:00.16 | blast007 | :) |
| 03:00.20 | synic|h | TimRiker, central registration eh? |
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| 03:00.38 | synic|h | I'd have registered, but I didn't know it was possible... |
| 03:03.00 | SilverFox | the /flag reset command doesn't seem to be in the group db, and yet I can use it. how does that work? |
| 03:03.16 | Nidhoggr | hrm. hard to say whether it was done to aggravate you. |
| 03:03.33 | Nidhoggr | that person logs on under a number of callsigns, though. |
| 03:03.53 | *** part/#bzflag exclipy (~exclipy@120.cust8.qld.dsl.ozemail.com.au) |
| 03:04.03 | synic|h | I've never logged under anything but synic from here. I'm playing a good game, sign off for a second, sign back on... and I'm booted. |
| 03:04.08 | synic|h | there's not already a synic on there... |
| 03:04.19 | Nidhoggr | let me deregister it. you better get it registered right away afterward, or you're out of luck next time. |
| 03:04.28 | synic|h | thank you |
| 03:05.30 | Nidhoggr | done. |
| 03:05.32 | amathis | TimRiker: how could I draw the tank using GL, like I would a triangle with glBegin(GL_TRIANGLES); |
| 03:05.38 | amathis | and then draw it |
| 03:05.41 | amathis | any idea? |
| 03:05.55 | synic|h | ok, it's now registered. |
| 03:06.01 | synic|h | Nidhoggr, thank you very much |
| 03:06.08 | Nidhoggr | no problem. |
| 03:06.15 | sgk284 | amathis... if its going in the menu why not just do a 2d animation of the 3d tank rotating? |
| 03:06.37 | amathis | because that is no fun ^_^ |
| 03:06.50 | SilverFox | besides, it'd be easier. |
| 03:06.54 | sgk284 | lol |
| 03:07.05 | sgk284 | oops i forgot the rules |
| 03:07.08 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 03:07.15 | TimRiker | synic|h: nod. central registration is working now with cvs. 1 registration for all servers. |
| 03:07.36 | TimRiker | synic|h: no user friendly interface to register yet, but it's coming. |
| 03:07.42 | sgk284 | TimRiker, is the registration db run off of bzflag.org? |
| 03:07.44 | TimRiker | synic|h: central groups too. |
| 03:07.53 | synic|h | cool |
| 03:07.59 | SilverFox | groups?!? |
| 03:08.04 | TimRiker | sgk284: db.bzflag.org ie: bzflag.secretplace.us |
| 03:08.09 | sgk284 | k |
| 03:08.15 | SilverFox | Will server admins be able to set up new groups? |
| 03:08.20 | TimRiker | sgk284: needs outgoing access to the servers, and SF does not permit it. |
| 03:08.23 | synic|h | TimRiker, any way to know when it's ready? I had no idea I could register at all |
| 03:08.27 | SilverFox | obviously they will be able to pick/choose what groups to subscribe to. |
| 03:08.30 | TimRiker | SilverFox: yep. |
| 03:08.41 | TimRiker | SilverFox: yep again. |
| 03:08.42 | SilverFox | neato. |
| 03:08.52 | SilverFox | great idea. |
| 03:09.36 | TimRiker | amathis: yep. but with many triangles. ;-) |
| 03:09.46 | amathis | TimRiker: oh god |
| 03:10.30 | TimRiker | amathis: there is a tank object. what are you trying to do? |
| 03:11.30 | TimRiker | SilverFox: there will be a bit of a transition issue, server admins should register groups before moving to 1.12 such that nobody else registers the same global group name. |
| 03:12.03 | TimRiker | but groups have no central permissions. admins assign permissions to groups locally |
| 03:13.10 | orange | will server admins be given a bit of advance warning before the reg server is opened to the general world? |
| 03:13.13 | SilverFox | ah... |
| 03:13.34 | SilverFox | orange, how would they do that? |
| 03:14.04 | TimRiker | orange: not planning anything, no. |
| 03:14.46 | TimRiker | nicks and groups will be set to expire if unused, but I've not done any of that code yet. |
| 03:15.26 | TimRiker | might email the user before expiring. ditto for groups, email the creator. |
| 03:16.05 | orange | SilverFox: I just mean before 1.12 is released, I assume the reg server will be up and running and ready |
| 03:16.14 | TimRiker | orange: it's up now. |
| 03:16.38 | orange | TimRiker: database isn't subject to change/deletion during development? |
| 03:16.42 | TimRiker | still need user friendly registration pages. |
| 03:16.56 | TimRiker | orange: only for my test accounts. |
| 03:17.00 | SilverFox | that's something I might be able to contribute to. |
| 03:17.23 | SilverFox | since I can't do any of the cool work that you guys do. |
| 03:17.48 | TimRiker | SilverFox: You have php/mysql experience? that's what it all is. |
| 03:18.01 | SilverFox | TimRiker, how do I get more info on how the registration is done, to the end of creating a userfriendly web front end |
| 03:18.14 | TimRiker | SilverFox: see the source for bzfls.php |
| 03:18.19 | SilverFox | TimRiker, very limited. |
| 03:18.37 | SilverFox | I'll look at it and see if I can tackle it. Don't wait/rely on me though. |
| 03:18.48 | TimRiker | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/db/bzfls.php?view=markup |
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| 03:19.03 | TimRiker | same script is at http://db.bzflag.org/ |
| 03:19.07 | SilverFox | thanks, I was just looking for that. |
| 03:19.14 | TimRiker | er same script is at http://db.bzflag.org/db/ |
| 03:20.27 | TimRiker | http://bzflag.org/wiki/DbServers has info on current status. |
| 03:22.34 | SilverFox | ~karma silverfo |
| 03:22.34 | ibot | silverfo has neutral karma |
| 03:22.35 | SilverFox | ~karma silverfox |
| 03:22.35 | ibot | silverfox has karma of 1 |
| 03:22.47 | SilverFox | is this based on something in the list server? |
| 03:23.06 | TimRiker | that script IS the list server. |
| 03:23.36 | TimRiker | the registration php pages would be on the same box, not part of that script. |
| 03:24.27 | TimRiker | select action=LIST from the devel interface and you get a list of servers. |
| 03:24.43 | SilverFox | TimRiker, no the ~karma trigger |
| 03:24.47 | TimRiker | fill in email, callsign, and password, then select REGISTER and you get an email with a registration key. |
| 03:25.00 | SilverFox | TimRiker, I realize that. ;) |
| 03:25.01 | TimRiker | synic|h: that's how to register in the global database. |
| 03:26.12 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/bzflag.dev: add the latest files |
| 03:26.27 | synic|h | TimRiker, done :) |
| 03:26.37 | TimRiker | SilverFox: see the rest of the db/ module for stats.bzflag.org code. the new registration and the current stats stuff would all be intertwined. |
| 03:27.04 | TimRiker | SilverFox: need a browser cookie to verify a current logged in user. |
| 03:27.37 | TimRiker | probably want to re-request password on group modification, and just trust the cookie for viewing. |
| 03:28.07 | blast007 | could also use a session |
| 03:28.09 | TimRiker | SilverFox: there is no php page for any of the group stuff. I created all the current ones using phpmyadmin. |
| 03:28.30 | TimRiker | blast007: also fine. any way that works. |
| 03:28.54 | TimRiker | whoever writes it gets to pick the method. ;-) |
| 03:29.00 | blast007 | :) |
| 03:30.00 | Noodlema1 | w00 |
| 03:30.07 | Noodlema1 | sanford and son |
| 03:30.08 | TimRiker | synic|h: cool. email confirm and everything. ;-) now if you had a cvs client you could login to the test servers. ;-) |
| 03:30.44 | TimRiker | Noodlema1: you planning any php work? |
| 03:31.03 | synic|h | modulename is bzflag I'm guessing? |
| 03:31.16 | TimRiker | synic|h: nope. db |
| 03:31.26 | Noodlema1 | TimRiker: i don't quite understand the question, could you rephrase? |
| 03:31.31 | TimRiker | synic|h: oh.. yeah. game is bzflag. db server is db. |
| 03:31.56 | synic|h | what is a test server address? |
| 03:32.02 | TimRiker | Noodlema1: the new db user registration/group admin pages will get merged with the current stats pages. |
| 03:32.14 | Noodlema1 | ok |
| 03:32.19 | TimRiker | synic|h: do a LIST with the current version tag. |
| 03:33.06 | TimRiker | ie: http://db.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST&version=BZFS0013 |
| 03:33.50 | synic|h | thanks TimRiker |
| 03:34.01 | TimRiker | Noodlema1: I wrote a php script to pull stats from a server a la bzfupdate.pl and it needs to get called from bzfls.php when a server does an ADD. |
| 03:34.11 | TimRiker | then bzfupdate.pl can die. |
| 03:34.18 | synic|h | TimRiker, haven't I seen you in #utah? |
| 03:34.20 | Noodlema1 | ok |
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| 03:35.10 | TimRiker | synic|h: yep. moved to dallas from orem. I'm the #utah founder. was active in PLUG, SLLUG and other UGs in the area. |
| 03:35.35 | synic|h | ah, cool. I'm living in SLC |
| 03:35.48 | TimRiker | Noodlema1: ok meaning you might look at it and make some changes? or ok with us doing it? ;-) |
| 03:35.52 | Noodlema1 | slc is cool |
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| 03:36.02 | synic|h | I like it |
| 03:36.07 | Noodlema1 | TimRiker: hehe, i don't care if you work on it :-) |
| 03:36.20 | TimRiker | Noodlema1: =) |
| 03:38.49 | TimRiker | also need the central ban lists to get added to the db as well as motd. |
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| 03:40.37 | FredCods | who will be able to set entry in this central ban list ? |
| 03:41.00 | FredCods | by central, you mean common to all (public?) servers, right ? |
| 03:42.25 | blast007 | Several months ago I had been working on improving the S.B.o site...never finished and sorta lost interest due to school work |
| 03:42.38 | blast007 | not sure if any of it can be used for central database intergration, but I had started doing user registration on it |
| 03:42.50 | blast007 | even had the start of a map section |
| 03:43.12 | TimRiker | FredCods: currently developers only. I've not thought through the database version yet. |
| 03:43.26 | Noodlema1 | school tends to kill small OSS projects :-P |
| 03:43.32 | blast007 | :) |
| 03:43.50 | TimRiker | blast007: yeah? I didn't know you were working on it. |
| 03:44.07 | TimRiker | blast007: any of it stable enough to post as patches? |
| 03:44.13 | blast007 | http://blast.game-host.org/stats/ (will be slow, as I'm on 56k) |
| 03:45.15 | TimRiker | blast007: news now in mysql? |
| 03:45.22 | blast007 | yep |
| 03:45.42 | blast007 | can even schedule news to appear at a later date |
| 03:46.03 | TimRiker | oh, it does not have the current cvs stuff. can you merge in the cvs changes? |
| 03:46.23 | blast007 | that would be the main issue right there |
| 03:46.54 | blast007 | the code is from January, so I'm sure there have been lots of update since then |
| 03:46.59 | blast007 | updates* |
| 03:47.45 | blast007 | I modified a ton of code, so it might have to be manually merged |
| 03:48.22 | TimRiker | blast007: I registered, and it took. I logged out, and that seemed ok. I tried to log back in and no go. |
| 03:48.30 | blast007 | hmm |
| 03:48.49 | TimRiker | blast007: there have not been that many changes to the central code. things might just work. |
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| 03:49.02 | blast007 | ok |
| 03:49.16 | TimRiker | there has been a ton of work on bzfls.php, but that's not a proper part of the stats stuff. |
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| 03:50.45 | TimRiker | FredCods: there might have to be central group maintained ban lists. then the group creator is kind of in charge of them with all group members doing edits. and the list servers admins could choose which ban lists they want to use. |
| 03:50.46 | blast007 | what callsign did you try registering with? |
| 03:51.00 | TimRiker | FredCods: sounds complex though if we do it that way, |
| 03:51.05 | TimRiker | blast007: TimRiker |
| 03:52.14 | TimRiker | blast007: tried again. it said the registration was ok, but I could not view/edit profile. |
| 03:52.26 | blast007 | that name might not have been discovered by the perl update script, cuz I don't see it in the database |
| 03:52.51 | blast007 | strange that it said it registered okay |
| 03:55.18 | blast007 | TimRiker: try registering again |
| 03:55.30 | blast007 | added your callsign in the playerinfo table |
| 03:55.39 | FredCods | TimRiker: i'm not aware of the 'group' thing here. But, central ban list only managed by dev. look fine to me. This way there is no abuse. |
| 03:56.43 | FredCods | i'm reading the code that handle 'options/end' block, and if I understand correctly, we can list here only bzfs option that take no argument, right ? |
| 03:57.25 | TimRiker | FredCods: huh? |
| 03:57.41 | FredCods | in bzfs-cvs, the map file. |
| 03:57.54 | TimRiker | which map file? |
| 03:58.06 | Silver[a] | is there (or will there be) a way to create "alias" commands? ie, /cheater $IP will do the same as /ban 0 $IP, where /rejoiner would do /ban 1d $IP ? |
| 03:58.06 | FredCods | the world |
| 03:58.39 | FredCods | hmm, the text file describing the world (-world thisFile) |
| 03:58.43 | TimRiker | FredCods: oh. you should be able to list options with arguments. I haven't though, I normally use a bzfs.conf |
| 04:00.19 | TimRiker | Silver[a]: hmm. I suppose if folks want to write the code. soon we'd have a POSIX shell in bzflag. =/ |
| 04:01.09 | TimRiker | Silver[a]: I'd rather move stuff like that to the web instead. |
| 04:01.43 | FredCods | I'm asking, because I'm running several servers, and people can add options into the map file. Now that bzflag-cvs support part of that, I want to make the current stuff more or less identical (so that transition to -cvs will be easy.) |
| 04:01.57 | FredCods | (people = those who create and upload map to the server) |
| 04:02.47 | Silver[a] | TimRiker, kind of like Halflife's "console" ? |
| 04:02.55 | Silver[a] | What do you mean "move to the web"? |
| 04:03.29 | TimRiker | Thank you for registering. - You are logged in as TimRiker. (Log Out) - Upload map - Update map - View/Edit profile |
| 04:03.46 | Silver[a] | oh, you were talking to FredCods. sry. |
| 04:04.56 | FredCods | ah. It was for me ? |
| 04:06.53 | TimRiker | Silver[a]: nod. we had a similar console in the 1.8 tree. didn't get ported to 1.10 though. |
| 04:08.22 | TimRiker | FredCods: nod.... sorry. I'd rather do group and banlist admin from the web site instead of inside the game. now if folks want to make it work inside the game as well, that's fine with me. |
| 04:08.43 | TimRiker | but doing it on the web site is the easier method in may ways. |
| 04:09.55 | FredCods | sure |
| 04:11.08 | blast007 | TimRiker: If you can login now, I set you as an admin so you can view the Admin page |
| 04:11.32 | FredCods | About ban list, the main problem I've (and other probably) is that sometime I'm banning an entire ISP (and btw, unfortunately there is no easy way to ban a subnet like /20 for example). And then sometime, "fair" player can no more connect to my server. |
| 04:13.05 | FredCods | But, I know there is no magic solution about that. |
| 04:20.57 | *** part/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@216.138.191.192) |
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| 04:26.20 | TimRiker | blast007: cool stuph |
| 04:27.36 | TimRiker | FredCods: nod. with central login we should code/test the ability to require login and/or group from a given ip range. |
| 04:28.25 | TimRiker | it's not yet that advanced. |
| 04:32.02 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/TODO: sort for release planning |
| 04:34.04 | amathis | TimRiker: where do I get a login for the game? |
| 04:34.08 | amathis | (eventually) |
| 04:34.50 | TimRiker | amathis: with cvs, you register on db.bzflag.org and then use that callsign/password in bzflag. |
| 04:35.36 | amathis | ok |
| 04:35.37 | amathis | cool |
| 04:36.27 | amathis | TimRiker: all I get is SBO page.. |
| 04:36.31 | amathis | is this where you register? |
| 04:37.22 | blast007 | amathis: http://db.bzflag.org/db/ |
| 04:37.42 | amathis | AUGH! |
| 04:37.53 | amathis | TimRiker: is that form in CVS? |
| 04:38.06 | SilverFox | amathis, patches are welcome. |
| 04:38.11 | SilverFox | ;P |
| 04:38.38 | blast007 | Think it's bzfls.php |
| 04:38.42 | amathis | yeah |
| 04:46.48 | TimRiker | amathis: that form? you mean what http://db.bzflag.org/db returns? yeah. it's part of bzfls.php |
| 04:47.02 | amathis | TimRiker: I am makinjg it a little easier to work with ATM |
| 04:47.37 | TimRiker | amathis: please explain. I've been the one working on it, and I find it very easy to work with. |
| 04:47.46 | amathis | the form |
| 04:47.52 | TimRiker | please explain |
| 04:47.54 | amathis | not any code |
| 04:47.58 | TimRiker | please explain |
| 04:47.58 | amathis | just making it neater. |
| 04:48.00 | TimRiker | please explain |
| 04:48.03 | amathis | o.0 |
| 04:48.18 | TimRiker | ok. that works. ;-) |
| 04:48.50 | TimRiker | that for is for development only. that's not the one that users would be using. it should not be the one they use. |
| 04:49.21 | TimRiker | in fact if there are user friendly forms for everything (which I doubt) then it could go away. |
| 04:50.06 | TimRiker | consider it test code for the script itself. no tables, logos, style sheets, etc crap. just a basic test form. |
| 04:50.39 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/LocalPlayer.cxx: reset FlagActive state upon dropping a flag (especially PZ) while paused |
| 04:58.46 | MeBigFatGuy | hmmm, i wonder what happens if you 'drop' a PZ flag while zoned because of pause |
| 04:59.05 | DTRemenak | especially in a building |
| 05:00.05 | learner | mm.. ChangeLog edit now has a couple lines over 80 chars again |
| 05:00.54 | learner | looks like exactly 3 |
| 05:01.36 | amathis | TimRiker: ah |
| 05:01.52 | amathis | TimRiker: well, we could also implement DB classes for many different database types |
| 05:02.02 | amathis | eventually |
| 05:03.05 | blast007 | amathis: or even implement Smarty ;) |
| 05:03.15 | amathis | blast007, why? |
| 05:03.24 | amathis | blast007, a template system has nothing to do with DB.. |
| 05:03.26 | blast007 | heh, just kidding |
| 05:03.56 | TimRiker | amathis: perhaps. best to keep bzfls.php small and quick. ui can do it differently if it likes. |
| 05:04.30 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: aren't these supposed to fit to 80 chars? fix typo too. |
| 05:09.52 | SportChick | ~seen Patlabor221 |
| 05:09.53 | ibot | patlabor221 <~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #opencombat, 3h 13m 11s ago, saying: 'good luck'. |
| 05:19.20 | SilverFox | MeBigFatGuy, I tried pausing while zoned... |
| 05:23.49 | SilverFox | just unzoned me when I dropped the flag. |
| 05:24.00 | SilverFox | Good to know if you get stuck zoned, or want to get unzoned. |
| 05:24.15 | learner | ahh, that's pretty good |
| 05:24.55 | learner | wonder if that was just dumb luck or if there's some sense of robustness starting to coelesce |
| 05:25.25 | SilverFox | I was hoping to be zoned w/out a flag. |
| 05:25.32 | SilverFox | Then get the laser flag or something. |
| 05:25.39 | SilverFox | ^o^ |
| 05:25.43 | blast007 | heh |
| 05:27.00 | TimRiker | SilverFox: were you in a building? |
| 05:27.36 | SilverFox | TimRiker, I'm in an irc channel. |
| 05:28.14 | blast007 | when you paused, where you in a building with PZ? ;) |
| 05:28.17 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: refit the last over-80 entry to 80 columns (with no intent to downplay the excellent effort and collaboration that went into the master ban list). several rewordings too. |
| 05:28.47 | blast007 | were* |
| 05:30.22 | *** join/#bzflag patlabor221 (~JeffM@adsl-68-126-250-223.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 05:30.42 | patlabor221 | ow |
| 05:30.50 | amathis | wb patlabor221 |
| 05:30.53 | SportChick | hehe - see your memo? |
| 05:30.57 | patlabor221 | no |
| 05:31.43 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 05:32.13 | patlabor221 | about monday |
| 05:32.18 | SportChick | yes |
| 05:32.25 | patlabor221 | I may have to cancel |
| 05:32.30 | patlabor221 | I dono yet tho |
| 05:32.34 | SportChick | w00t! |
| 05:32.36 | patlabor221 | forgot I had to go to az |
| 05:32.59 | amathis | don't worry, I am far enough away >D |
| 05:33.08 | patlabor221 | not sure when my flight leaves |
| 05:33.11 | patlabor221 | will know tomorow |
| 05:34.08 | patlabor221 | no, parents for turkey day |
| 05:34.17 | patlabor221 | dad came down and reminded me that it was next week |
| 05:34.30 | SportChick | yeah, but not until THURSDAY |
| 05:34.37 | amathis | uh-oh |
| 05:34.56 | patlabor221 | yeah but I fly out there |
| 05:35.06 | patlabor221 | it's not like I drive across town ;) |
| 05:35.13 | SportChick | wait until december - then you can just drive with us |
| 05:35.17 | SportChick | :) |
| 05:35.22 | patlabor221 | allready flying in dec |
| 05:37.10 | SportChick | k - what day are you flying, Pat? |
| 05:47.48 | TimRiker | SilverFox: when you dropped PZ by pausing, where you in a building? |
| 05:49.20 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10db/bzfls.php: some error checking. still need to check $unsafetitle |
| 05:53.31 | *** join/#bzflag nilson (nilson@pcp03331736pcs.tsclos01.al.comcast.net) |
| 05:59.32 | SilverFox | TimRiker, no. Didn't think of that. I'll try it. |
| 06:07.21 | sgk284 | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 06:13.49 | *** join/#bzflag kyelewis` (~kyelewis@kyelewis.user) |
| 06:13.51 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (33 files in 8 dirs): great ws |
| 06:13.58 | sgk284 | ~fishslap nidhoggr |
| 06:14.00 | ibot | ACTION slaps nidhoggr up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 06:14.00 | SilverFox | TimRiker, OK, when in a building, you get a "Can't pause while in a building" message, similar to "can't pause while jumping" or in the air or whatever it is. |
| 06:14.24 | SilverFox | however... You can start pause countdown then run into a building... |
| 06:14.42 | SilverFox | when the countdown completes, it gives you the same message. |
| 06:14.44 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 06:14.56 | sgk284 | Silverfox, well then it works:) |
| 06:15.09 | SilverFox | This is the best part: |
| 06:15.10 | TimRiker | SilverFox: cool. ;-) |
| 06:15.16 | SilverFox | when I paused, the flag dropped, right? |
| 06:15.19 | SilverFox | I was unzoned. |
| 06:15.30 | sgk284 | awesome |
| 06:15.33 | SilverFox | then I picked the flag back up, and I was zoned again (w/out going through a teleporter) |
| 06:15.41 | TimRiker | wild! |
| 06:15.46 | SilverFox | I thought so. |
| 06:15.46 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:15.52 | SilverFox | I don't see the harm in that though. |
| 06:15.52 | sgk284 | is that a good thing? |
| 06:16.21 | SilverFox | you can shoot at people then grab the flag and your safe. |
| 06:16.33 | SilverFox | but most servers, the flag disappears after you grab it once or twice. |
| 06:16.40 | sgk284 | how about no pausing at all? |
| 06:16.48 | sgk284 | just find a corner and hide:) |
| 06:16.55 | sgk284 | or stay dead once shot |
| 06:16.59 | SilverFox | until the guy with sw, or sb comes for you. |
| 06:17.34 | SilverFox | how about... If you pause with PZ, it starts selfdestruct! |
| 06:17.41 | SilverFox | maybe not. |
| 06:17.41 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:18.02 | sgk284 | if(strpos($users[$i],"ADMINS") >= 0|| strpos($users[$i],"OPS") >= 0){ |
| 06:18.02 | sgk284 | session_start(); |
| 06:18.02 | sgk284 | $_SESSION['user'] = trim($users[$i-1]); |
| 06:18.02 | sgk284 | $_SESSION['isAdmin'] = TRUE; |
| 06:18.02 | sgk284 | header("Location: http://" . $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'] . dirname($_SERVER['PHP_SELF']) . "admin.php"); |
| 06:18.08 | sgk284 | oh god wrong window |
| 06:18.10 | sgk284 | oops |
| 06:18.35 | SilverFox | I'd like to have a lagwarn that starts selfdestruct instead of lagkicking. Keeps doing selfdestruct until lag is better. |
| 06:18.44 | SilverFox | ;) |
| 06:19.00 | SilverFox | sgk284, this is the only chan your in?!? |
| 06:19.08 | SilverFox | nother server? |
| 06:19.43 | sgk284 | SilverFox, don't see where your going with that |
| 06:20.05 | SilverFox | sgk284, just an alternative to kicking for lag. |
| 06:21.43 | TimRiker | SilverFox: the other window could be an editor. |
| 06:23.30 | sgk284 | TimRiker, not sure if you heard but about 2 maybe 3 weeks ago i coded up a quick whitelisting patch for secretplace 1.10.8 until 1.12 comes out, to make administrating the whitelist easier i also coded a php page where you log in with your bz creds and if your in the whitelist group your ip address is updated or added (depending upon if you whitelisted before or not), now i'm extending that further with a special page for the admin to go and add an a |
| 06:23.30 | sgk284 | rbirtray ip and/or remove ips and some other trivial maintenance |
| 06:24.31 | sgk284 | right now you log in, the php page parses the bs users, groups and passwords files, see if you can whitelist, if so then it takes your ip and adds it |
| 06:24.39 | sgk284 | s/bs/bz |
| 06:25.55 | sgk284 | we had to ban about half of texas because of a troublesome user (spoogebob) but we have many people playing from texas so the whitelist was necessary |
| 06:31.41 | SilverFox | whitelist = ban exceptions? |
| 06:32.16 | sgk284 | that would be correct |
| 06:32.23 | sgk284 | :) |
| 06:32.43 | SilverFox | nice idea. |
| 06:32.53 | sgk284 | thanks, wish i ahd thought of it ;) |
| 06:32.56 | sgk284 | had* |
| 06:32.59 | SilverFox | what about new users that haven't been added to the whitelist yet that try to join? |
| 06:33.14 | sgk284 | they can email the mailing list, as many do |
| 06:33.28 | sgk284 | then nidoggr decides if they can have whitelisting rights |
| 06:33.58 | sgk284 | if so, they are directed to http://bzflag.secretplace.us/whitelist/newip.php |
| 06:34.36 | SilverFox | sgk284, great idea. Did you say this will be part of 1.12? |
| 06:35.02 | SilverFox | sgk284, is this documented anyhow (so I could duplicate it?) |
| 06:35.14 | sgk284 | no no no... i didnt submit anything i did because i was told that 1.12 already has whitelisting capabilities |
| 06:35.32 | SilverFox | I see. |
| 06:35.37 | SilverFox | Gotta wait. ;) |
| 06:35.44 | sgk284 | if i was told this in error, well then sure i'll submit the patches |
| 06:36.09 | sgk284 | Silverfox, if you want the patches for 1.10.8 email me at sgk284@gmail.com |
| 06:36.20 | SilverFox | either way, I got a feeling that the webfrontend won't be part of 1.12 |
| 06:36.39 | sgk284 | its only like 3 files changed, 2 of them are for the command line option, so technically only one file is changed for the whitelist |
| 06:36.53 | sgk284 | i gotta admit i do like having the web frontend |
| 06:37.01 | sgk284 | its nice for people with dynamic ips |
| 06:37.47 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10db/bzfls.php: get_magic_quotes_gpc - I can live with or without you |
| 06:38.05 | sgk284 | i dont mind giving out the php either, it could actually be extended to authenticate people on your site :) |
| 06:40.26 | sgk284 | Silverfox: 1.12 might actually implement the whitelist based on callsign, right now bzfs closes the connection if your ip is banned, i guess in 1.12 itd have to wait and see if you authenticate or not, if you do and are whitelisted then you can join, if your not then your disconected |
| 06:40.31 | sgk284 | so a dynamic ip wouldn't matter |
| 06:40.36 | TimRiker | SilverFox: why not? the thought is to use global login on db.bzflag.org. whitelist management should be easy to do. |
| 06:41.13 | SilverFox | TimRiker, I see. I was thinking in terms of individual servers. |
| 06:41.20 | SilverFox | not thinking big enough again. |
| 06:41.24 | sgk284 | TimRiker: wait... is all whitelisting and banning done on a game wide basis or on individual servers? |
| 06:41.51 | sgk284 | i.e. if secretplace.us wants to ban someone but viper doesn't, is the central registration going to disallow that? |
| 06:41.54 | TimRiker | sgk284: in 1.12 the MsgEnter packet has login credentials, but the server won't know if they are valid until it hears back from db. |
| 06:42.03 | sgk284 | oh okay |
| 06:42.30 | sgk284 | i think i see how this is shaping up, i have to look at that code in cvs again see all the new goodies added:) |
| 06:42.43 | sgk284 | i said again one too many times:) |
| 06:42.46 | TimRiker | sgk284: central whitelisting is not yet implemented. |
| 06:43.11 | sgk284 | what about individual servers? |
| 06:43.39 | TimRiker | probably admins will agree to share a named list of bans which will be administered by a global group. |
| 06:43.55 | sgk284 | i thought it was because in bzfs in the command handling code, /ban /kick /poll all obey an acl policy to not affect you if your given the proper rights |
| 06:44.31 | sgk284 | maybe i'm mixing things together |
| 06:44.48 | TimRiker | sgk284: same principle. if the global ban list you want to use bans you, you need to whitelist yourself and perhaps others. |
| 06:45.19 | sgk284 | okay sounds good:) |
| 06:46.34 | TimRiker | =) |
| 06:47.17 | sgk284 | okay question #2, is there some kind of redundancy to the central registration db? i.e. incase lighting strikes twice? |
| 06:47.27 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 06:49.43 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 06:49.56 | TimRiker | hmm. my client is not getting a list. |
| 06:50.20 | TimRiker | sgk284: not yet. sql backups will go off site from time to time. |
| 06:50.41 | TimRiker | the hope is to get at least 2 mirrored list servers up, but that's not happened yet. |
| 06:52.15 | sgk284 | okay, i doubt it'll be a problem anytime soon anyway...i mean what are the chances ;-) ..btw i just tried the list, it works fine from here |
| 06:53.17 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@DHCP-170-165.caltech.edu) |
| 06:54.22 | TimRiker | heh. /me ahhs. |
| 06:54.56 | TimRiker | if you fillin password with an invalid character, you don't get a server list. you should get a msg, but you don't yet. =/ |
| 06:55.20 | orange | you sign in before you get a server list? |
| 06:56.11 | orange | it makes sense, and opens up lots of possibilities |
| 06:56.20 | orange | like servers that are only visible to certain groups |
| 06:56.27 | sgk284 | orange: like what? |
| 06:56.37 | sgk284 | nevermind you beat me to it |
| 06:56.38 | orange | and 'favorites' managed by the list server/user db |
| 06:56.40 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 06:56.44 | CIA-9 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/TODO: eep |
| 06:57.14 | TimRiker | orange: nod. I'd like to add a server bit that for "registration required" and not show those servers to a user if they don't have a password. |
| 06:57.41 | orange | TimRiker: might be nice to say "37 of the best servers eliminated because you aren't registered' |
| 06:57.46 | orange | or something like that :-) |
| 06:57.55 | TimRiker | orange: perhaps. ;-) |