| 00:09.22 | learner | ahh, what a good ride |
| 00:36.03 | PrezKennedy | ya know... all those screenshots and you guys dont have a good one of the actual tank |
| 00:38.30 | learner | ? |
| 00:39.21 | bryjen | http://www.bzflag.org/screenshots/bzfi0020.jpg http://www.bzflag.org/screenshots/bzfi0017.jpg someone forgot to use the flash ;) |
| 00:41.08 | bryjen | kinda blah http://www.bzflag.org/screenshots/bzfi0017.jpg |
| 00:42.07 | learner | http://bzflag.bz/screenshots/texture4/ |
| 00:42.15 | learner | http://bzflag.bz/screenshots/texture1/ |
| 00:44.28 | bryjen | eep. |
| 00:44.40 | PrezKennedy | if there were a good one of the tank id try and get it into the new OSG banner im working on |
| 00:44.46 | PrezKennedy | its a frankenstein of old and new |
| 00:45.34 | learner | http://bzflag.org/images/bzflag_icon_128x128.jpg |
| 00:45.54 | PrezKennedy | that works |
| 00:46.40 | learner | if you want alpha transparency |
| 00:46.44 | learner | http://bzflag.bz/tmp/256.png |
| 00:47.06 | bryjen | that green one blends in waay to well |
| 00:47.37 | learner | bryjen: I used a real camouflage signature |
| 00:48.29 | bryjen | if we had patlabor's colors-mean-nothing FFA, everbody'd want that one :) |
| 00:48.33 | learner | with better lighting and a realistic ground texture, it would have worked even better |
| 00:49.59 | triclops | isn't there a blender model of the tank in the pybzflag source? |
| 00:50.39 | learner | i have one somewhere |
| 00:50.44 | triclops | so do i |
| 00:50.56 | triclops | i got it from somewhere, can't remember though |
| 00:52.39 | learner | PrezKennedy: another tank shot: http://bzflag.org/screenshots/c3po.jpg |
| 00:54.36 | bryjen | you caught the chat, not the event |
| 00:55.08 | learner | i assume it was a bug where you drove into your shot? |
| 00:55.22 | bryjen | ooo, or are those little tanky bits of me? :) |
| 00:55.22 | learner | yep :) |
| 00:56.03 | learner | you had rapid fire, and somehow shot yourself |
| 00:56.14 | |tim| | everytime I open up bzflag it opens up really small so I have to go to the display settings and put the resolution back to the normal one i use 1280 by 800, but the weird thing is its already on it i just have to go and switch it twice and it goes to the normal screen size, i've tried updating my drivers to and nothings work... any help? |
| 00:56.16 | bryjen | yeah, maybe shooting into a reverse tele |
| 00:56.18 | purple_cow | yay blender |
| 00:57.03 | learner | nice image for a bzedit webpage ;) |
| 00:57.41 | PrezKennedy | http://osgaming.net/themes/osg-theme/osg3.jpg |
| 00:57.57 | PrezKennedy | its going in the right direction |
| 00:58.15 | PrezKennedy | ive lost interest in doing it now so ill leave it at that until my interest peaks again in about 4 months... ;-) |
| 00:58.20 | learner | need a lil tux racer |
| 00:58.26 | PrezKennedy | yeah |
| 00:58.29 | learner | being shot out of a bz tank :) |
| 00:58.44 | triclops | being shot by a bz tank? |
| 00:58.48 | learner | ooh, that'd be a neat mod.. :) |
| 00:58.49 | bryjen | no osx-ish symbol ? |
| 00:59.08 | PrezKennedy | someday... |
| 00:59.17 | orchid | |tim|: linux? |
| 00:59.21 | PrezKennedy | when i know of more than 6 osx games |
| 00:59.39 | |tim| | windows XP |
| 00:59.45 | learner | most all of them work on os x |
| 01:00.23 | PrezKennedy | maybe so... but that audience is even smaller than the windows audience ;-) |
| 01:00.35 | orchid | |tim|: not sure then, windows has a config file, its not getting overwritten somehow is it each time bzflag exits? |
| 01:01.01 | orchid | triclops: thats a nice pic! |
| 01:01.34 | triclops | tanks |
| 01:01.51 | |tim| | no it is because every time i go to change the BZflag resolution its on the same i just change the color quality and then change it back |
| 01:01.57 | |tim| | and it goes back to normal |
| 01:02.46 | bryjen | drivers and directx are the usual suspects on Windows |
| 01:02.53 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114 (~Shorty114@c-24-17-62-200.client.comcast.net) |
| 01:03.18 | shorty114 | ah back again |
| 01:03.25 | shorty114 | 1 week with no internet... |
| 01:03.27 | shorty114 | :( |
| 01:03.39 | orchid | ~++shorty114 |
| 01:04.00 | orchid | ~shorty114++ |
| 01:04.16 | shorty114 | ~karma shorty114 |
| 01:04.16 | ibot | shorty114 has karma of -482 |
| 01:04.20 | shorty114 | getting there ;) |
| 01:04.21 | shorty114 | thx |
| 01:04.31 | PrezKennedy | ~karma PrezKennedy |
| 01:04.31 | ibot | prezkennedy has karma of 3 |
| 01:04.36 | orchid | ++ before or after? |
| 01:04.37 | PrezKennedy | wow |
| 01:05.11 | shorty114 | after |
| 01:05.17 | shorty114 | ~PrezKennedy++ |
| 01:05.21 | shorty114 | ~karma PrezKennedy |
| 01:05.21 | ibot | prezkennedy has karma of 4 |
| 01:05.25 | shorty114 | there |
| 01:05.30 | shorty114 | ~PrezKennedy-- |
| 01:05.33 | shorty114 | back to normal |
| 01:05.40 | learner | tease |
| 01:05.50 | shorty114 | tease? |
| 01:07.18 | shorty114 | what's the command to unvoice someone? |
| 01:07.59 | PrezKennedy | /server devoice (someone) |
| 01:08.05 | shorty114 | thx |
| 01:08.05 | orchid | no |
| 01:08.11 | orchid | dont do /server |
| 01:08.12 | shorty114 | oh? |
| 01:08.14 | *** join/#bzflag |tim| (~|tim|@ip68-99-127-17.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 01:08.30 | learner | heh |
| 01:08.39 | orchid | PrezKennedy :-\ |
| 01:08.48 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114 (~Shorty114@c-24-17-62-200.client.comcast.net) |
| 01:08.51 | PrezKennedy | hi |
| 01:09.12 | shorty114 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.14 | learner | orchid told you not to :) |
| 01:09.25 | shorty114 | too late... |
| 01:09.27 | shorty114 | :) |
| 01:09.53 | learner | that's not a good trait |
| 01:10.03 | learner | that's like talking before you think |
| 01:10.05 | shorty114 | heh |
| 01:10.18 | orchid | shorty114: /msg chanserv help voice |
| 01:10.27 | shorty114 | orchid: thx |
| 01:10.59 | PrezKennedy | well least the subtitle can be read on the new logo |
| 01:11.08 | shorty114 | heh |
| 01:11.16 | shorty114 | #shorty114 is kinda up... |
| 01:11.42 | orchid | upbeat? |
| 01:11.48 | orchid | uplifting.. |
| 01:11.54 | orchid | uptempo |
| 01:12.21 | shorty114 | but only HazzaUK's in there...wonder how he got it |
| 01:12.29 | bryjen | UniProcessor? |
| 01:14.31 | shorty114 | what does voice do? |
| 01:17.48 | *** join/#bzflag bestbuddyever (~snot@adsl-221-36-140.rmo.bellsouth.net) |
| 01:18.14 | shorty114 | hello bestbuddyever |
| 01:18.49 | bestbuddyever | hey |
| 01:23.37 | learner | purple_cow: http://it.slashdot.org/it/04/08/22/1721254.shtml?tid=152&tid=117&tid=9 |
| 01:27.08 | purple_cow | learner: good article |
| 01:27.25 | *** join/#bzflag joshuagatcke (~joshuagat@d205-206-182-35.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 01:27.39 | learner | hello joshuagatcke |
| 01:28.17 | joshuagatcke | does anyone know how to add maps to bzflag on osx? I have no command line experience at all. |
| 01:28.29 | joshuagatcke | hey learner |
| 01:28.35 | learner | joshuagatcke, what do you mean by "add maps"? |
| 01:28.48 | learner | there are lots of public servers that run various maps |
| 01:28.52 | joshuagatcke | I want to play on a different world than "random" |
| 01:29.02 | learner | if you're running your own server, it doesn't really matter where the map is |
| 01:29.16 | learner | ahh, you mean on the "Start Server" page? |
| 01:29.25 | joshuagatcke | how do I use a different map? |
| 01:29.36 | joshuagatcke | yea < start server page |
| 01:30.15 | learner | open up a finder window |
| 01:30.15 | joshuagatcke | I love the game, we are just getting board of the same ol map |
| 01:30.28 | learner | type command-shift-g |
| 01:30.37 | learner | a little dialog should drop down |
| 01:30.46 | learner | ~/.bzf/ |
| 01:30.52 | learner | type that it the dialog |
| 01:31.00 | learner | put maps in that folder |
| 01:31.07 | joshuagatcke | where is that folder? |
| 01:31.17 | joshuagatcke | can I get to it with the finder? |
| 01:31.27 | learner | doing the instructions I just described |
| 01:31.36 | learner | type command-shift-g ... |
| 01:32.16 | joshuagatcke | ok, foud the config file |
| 01:32.24 | joshuagatcke | :) |
| 01:32.38 | learner | great .. you can put maps in there and I believe it should find them |
| 01:33.06 | joshuagatcke | Thanks a lot :) It took a really long time to learn taht I can just go to that dir |
| 01:33.10 | joshuagatcke | Thanks |
| 01:33.17 | learner | no problem |
| 01:37.41 | joshuagatcke | learner; I still cannot choose a different map on the server page? |
| 01:37.50 | joshuagatcke | I placed two maps in the directory |
| 01:39.47 | learner | hrm. just worked for me |
| 01:39.51 | learner | what version are you using? |
| 01:40.00 | joshuagatcke | 1.10.6.app |
| 01:40.16 | joshuagatcke | do I need specific map version also? |
| 01:40.16 | learner | and the maps are in the same dir as that config file? |
| 01:40.22 | joshuagatcke | yes |
| 01:40.35 | joshuagatcke | osx 10.3 |
| 01:40.46 | learner | that's all fine |
| 01:40.47 | DTRemenak | joshuagatcke: are your maps named something.map or something.bzw? |
| 01:40.54 | joshuagatcke | .map |
| 01:40.55 | learner | ahh, yes |
| 01:40.59 | learner | rename them |
| 01:41.00 | DTRemenak | rename them to .bzw |
| 01:41.02 | learner | to .bzw |
| 01:41.05 | learner | heh |
| 01:41.12 | learner | good catch DTRemenak :) |
| 01:41.51 | joshuagatcke | I'll try that. Thanks. |
| 01:41.52 | learner | probably ah reasonable alternate suffix to look for |
| 01:42.14 | bestbuddyever | here's a q, which I could look at the source, but, other than replacing the textures, is there a way to change the colors of the boxes/pyramids? |
| 01:42.52 | learner | there are textures in the data directory |
| 01:42.54 | learner | i.e. images |
| 01:43.00 | learner | replace the images, and you replace the look |
| 01:43.07 | bestbuddyever | I know, my graphics card sucks = textures turned off |
| 01:43.17 | shorty114 | mine are all on |
| 01:43.24 | shorty114 | i have an ATi Rage M2 |
| 01:43.25 | shorty114 | heh |
| 01:43.34 | trepan | bestbuddyever: it's possible in 1.11.x |
| 01:43.48 | shorty114 | oh and btw, what version is CVS at? |
| 01:43.48 | learner | ahh, then source is your only option to change those colors |
| 01:43.51 | shorty114 | 1.11.13? |
| 01:43.55 | bestbuddyever | ah, coolness, thx |
| 01:43.56 | learner | .9 |
| 01:44.02 | shorty114 | ah |
| 01:44.05 | shorty114 | jumped a whole lot |
| 01:44.13 | trepan | ah, oops, he's just looking to change his colors... :) |
| 01:44.21 | shorty114 | Patlabor told me it was b/c trepan put a whole bunch of stuff in |
| 01:44.23 | joshuagatcke | Thanks for the advice. All is working. you guys have made this the coolest milti game ever |
| 01:44.29 | shorty114 | heh |
| 01:44.42 | learner | joshuagatcke: thanks and enjoy :) |
| 01:46.48 | bestbuddyever | the whole notion of an object oriented programming language w/o memory management is rather dubious |
| 01:47.50 | trepan | learner: mind if i try meshes with texcoords and time varying texture matrices this week? |
| 01:48.17 | learner | time-varying? |
| 01:48.22 | trepan | (assumming the hands keep working, i'd like to try a lava effect) |
| 01:48.22 | shorty114 | and i'm having trouble compiling CVS...:( |
| 01:48.26 | learner | more water work? |
| 01:48.35 | shorty114 | compile error, have log file |
| 01:48.39 | shorty114 | will have url in a little |
| 01:48.45 | trepan | learner: yup, but a generic version, so it could be used for lotsa junk] |
| 01:48.47 | learner | using one of the recent gpu programming libraries would be sweet |
| 01:49.10 | trepan | oh ya, forgot to mention, oglsl shaders would get build into the net protocol |
| 01:49.45 | learner | http://libsh.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:50.20 | tea|tree_ | !uu |
| 01:50.22 | trepan | would have to add the following to maps: vectors, textures, transtex (time transformed textures), materials (textures,shaders,colors), and meshes (a collection of faces and some internal points) |
| 01:50.27 | tea|tree_ | lol |
| 01:50.35 | tea|tree_ | who is gnuu |
| 01:50.37 | shorty114 | http://www.geocities.com/robinadrianse/bz_cvs_compile_errors.txt |
| 01:50.39 | shorty114 | compiile error |
| 01:50.40 | tea|tree_ | <guu> Error: 'uu' is not a valid command. |
| 01:50.41 | tea|tree_ | :D |
| 01:50.41 | shorty114 | (s) |
| 01:50.54 | tea|tree_ | geesh im mad |
| 01:50.59 | tea|tree_ | im making the night throw |
| 01:51.09 | tea|tree_ | and in the morning taking the train |
| 01:51.16 | tea|tree_ | and on the next at 6 am |
| 01:51.20 | tea|tree_ | my flight 2 dubai |
| 01:51.24 | shorty114 | brb |
| 01:51.28 | trepan | my big question is: how would yall like to deal with user defined textures? |
| 01:52.18 | trepan | for now, i was planning on sending them one of three ways, built into the stream, reference to a default texture name, and reference to a http link |
| 01:53.14 | learner | trepan: it's a hard problem.. ideally all three eventually |
| 01:53.32 | learner | http link is probably simplest, but my least personal favorite |
| 01:53.57 | trepan | hrm, how to keep the pr0n from the kiddies, heh? ;) |
| 01:54.14 | learner | I'd imagine some sort of server upload mechanism where named textures are stored |
| 01:54.32 | learner | admins could review and approve, and approved textures would get sent along with the maps when those players are on |
| 01:54.46 | learner | alternatively admins could include their own sets of images for players to choose from |
| 01:54.58 | learner | s/alternatively/in addition/ |
| 01:55.19 | learner | so the whole upload is purely an optional step |
| 01:55.20 | trepan | so have a list of acceptable shared texture servers, maybe in config? |
| 01:55.58 | learner | maybe .. I'd probably try to make texture services be an extension of bzfs |
| 01:56.42 | learner | so you could configure a server to allow textures from other servers and/or from a local collection |
| 01:56.54 | trepan | i was thinking both ways, but that the bzfs one would simply build the pngs into the stream, and that the alternate texture servers would be http |
| 01:57.18 | trepan | and the http ones would also have .hsh (md5) hash files to check first |
| 01:57.20 | learner | http or other bzfs maybe? |
| 01:58.22 | trepan | http seemed easier/better because it's already there for the job, connecting up to another bzfs server seemed odd to me |
| 01:58.35 | trepan | but i'm easily swayed ;) |
| 01:58.44 | *** join/#bzflag smashlee (~187bbdc1@rw08.de) |
| 01:59.26 | trepan | i can just send them as strings for now, and we can decide later (so local references at first) |
| 02:00.02 | shorty114 | so did anyone take a look at http://www.geocities.com/robinadrianse/bz_cvs_compile_errors.txt? |
| 02:01.05 | shorty114 | ? |
| 02:02.07 | *** join/#bzflag smashleegirl (~187bbdc1@rw08.de) |
| 02:02.11 | smashleegirl | hi |
| 02:02.17 | shorty114 | hello |
| 02:02.36 | shorty114 | learner: were u talking to me? |
| 02:02.47 | smashleegirl | im talkinto anyone here |
| 02:02.47 | learner | shorty114: no i was not |
| 02:02.54 | shorty114 | learner: k |
| 02:03.04 | trepan | .md5 make more sense then .hsh, heh, too bad i can't blame it on drinking |
| 02:03.09 | learner | shorty114, you're building on ppc, which is not working right now |
| 02:03.16 | shorty114 | learner: ouch |
| 02:03.17 | learner | people breaking while I was at siggraph :) |
| 02:03.21 | shorty114 | heh |
| 02:03.27 | *** join/#bzflag dog (~your_dog@216-24-111-51.access.naxs.com) |
| 02:03.41 | shorty114 | hello dog |
| 02:04.01 | dog | howdy |
| 02:04.15 | dog | who's this? :) |
| 02:04.21 | shorty114 | shorty114 |
| 02:04.24 | shorty114 | aka loser or newbie |
| 02:04.29 | shorty114 | newbie's way old, tho |
| 02:04.32 | dog | ohhhh |
| 02:04.34 | dog | lol |
| 02:04.41 | shorty114 | loser was my BZBB name...WAS |
| 02:04.52 | dog | ahh |
| 02:04.59 | dog | you've joined my channel before haven't you? |
| 02:05.08 | shorty114 | what's your channel? |
| 02:05.12 | dog | #bzleague |
| 02:05.16 | shorty114 | ah yes |
| 02:05.23 | shorty114 | lildog, is that you? |
| 02:05.27 | dog | me? |
| 02:05.45 | shorty114 | ld has so many goddamn aliases... |
| 02:05.56 | dog | no no, this is your_dog |
| 02:06.04 | shorty114 | ah |
| 02:06.05 | shorty114 | k |
| 02:06.16 | dog | and btw, none of that language in #bzleague ;) |
| 02:06.26 | dog | smashlee: type /join #bzleague |
| 02:06.26 | shorty114 | this is #bzflag...;) |
| 02:06.38 | dog | yeah i know, thought i'd warn you before it happened though ;) |
| 02:06.40 | trepan | mf++ |
| 02:06.46 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerStartMenu.cxx: look for .map files in addition to .bzw files since they are pretty common |
| 02:07.10 | smashleegirl | oh im tyon sorry |
| 02:07.46 | smashleegirl | typin** |
| 02:07.52 | smashleegirl | nowim the only one typin |
| 02:07.58 | dog | hehe |
| 02:08.00 | shorty114 | heh |
| 02:08.12 | learner | you are? |
| 02:08.12 | shorty114 | i'm learning how to op a channel... |
| 02:08.12 | shorty114 | heh |
| 02:08.22 | shorty114 | #shorty114 is kinda an experiment |
| 02:08.31 | dog | learner: she's a friend of mine :) |
| 02:09.00 | dog | i've starting bzleague weeks and weeks ago, and i'm still learning : |
| 02:09.02 | dog | :P |
| 02:09.09 | shorty114 | heh |
| 02:09.57 | shorty114 | yay! |tim| joined! |
| 02:09.58 | learner | wow, "dog" wasn't registered .. interesting |
| 02:10.07 | |tim| | :) |
| 02:10.17 | dog | it was, but they registered it and never came back, so i had them drop it for me |
| 02:10.26 | dog | it had been like 10 weeks since they'd used it :) |
| 02:10.36 | shorty114 | heh |
| 02:10.37 | learner | ahh, lucky |
| 02:10.40 | dog | yup |
| 02:10.50 | *** join/#bzflag smashlee1 (~187bbdc1@rw08.de) |
| 02:10.53 | shorty114 | loser was taken, so i just went with shorty114 |
| 02:10.54 | smashlee1 | ok im back |
| 02:10.58 | learner | and she returns |
| 02:11.02 | shorty114 | heh |
| 02:11.07 | dog | yes, to the wrong channel again :P |
| 02:11.08 | shorty114 | drumroll! |
| 02:11.15 | shorty114 | dog: lol |
| 02:11.16 | smashlee1 | who, me? |
| 02:11.22 | learner | wrong channel? this is always the right channel :) |
| 02:11.25 | dog | hehe, yeah |
| 02:11.29 | dog | learner: sure :P |
| 02:11.30 | shorty114 | learner: nice |
| 02:11.54 | shorty114 | lengthy is lengthy...not!@ |
| 02:12.08 | lengthy | lol |
| 02:12.15 | learner | eep.. who's been editing the position tracker! |
| 02:12.18 | shorty114 | i can't even kick myself! |
| 02:12.22 | smashlee1 | ME |
| 02:12.23 | dog | lol |
| 02:12.26 | smashlee1 | haha |
| 02:12.46 | dog | lol |
| 02:13.05 | dog | smashlee1: try typing /join #bzleague |
| 02:13.51 | shorty114 | or /join #shorty114 |
| 02:13.53 | shorty114 | ;) |
| 02:13.57 | dog | no no :) |
| 02:14.04 | shorty114 | roflmao |
| 02:14.11 | learner | ahh, dang it tim and his "ws" changes.. conflicting my files! |
| 02:14.23 | shorty114 | learner: what broke PPC compat? |
| 02:14.33 | shorty114 | and btw, wtf did i just say? |
| 02:14.35 | dog | brb - gotta go outside in the dark with my sis (she's afraid of the coyotes :-P) |
| 02:14.35 | shorty114 | ;) |
| 02:14.38 | learner | shorty114, it's just a temp header thing |
| 02:14.48 | shorty114 | learner: when will be fixed? |
| 02:14.49 | learner | shorty114, that's expected on cvs head |
| 02:14.58 | learner | when I get around to fixing it |
| 02:15.04 | learner | unless you beat me to it |
| 02:15.11 | shorty114 | what do i need to do? |
| 02:15.21 | learner | fix it |
| 02:15.33 | shorty114 | what's header? |
| 02:15.40 | shorty114 | oh nm i'm hopeless |
| 02:16.58 | smashlee1 | yea what's header? |
| 02:18.11 | shorty114 | bryjen: heh |
| 02:19.31 | learner | cvs head is not guaranteed to work -- it's only meant for devs |
| 02:19.50 | shorty114 | learner: is it easy to fix? |
| 02:20.06 | bryjen | not if you don't know what a header file is :) |
| 02:20.11 | learner | if we bothered to fix all the build problems all the time, we wouldn't make much progress |
| 02:20.28 | shorty114 | bryjen: ya, that might help ;) |
| 02:20.39 | bestbuddyever | i haven't been on a major group project, but my understanding has been that breaking a build is a flogging offense in most places |
| 02:20.47 | learner | yeah, you're just going to have to wait :) |
| 02:21.10 | shorty114 | i would think breaking a build is a major nono |
| 02:21.15 | learner | bestbuddyever: it's not really broken |
| 02:21.17 | dog | kback |
| 02:21.24 | learner | it's just broken for him |
| 02:21.24 | shorty114 | that'snice |
| 02:21.31 | bestbuddyever | ha |
| 02:21.33 | shorty114 | learner: broken for PPC |
| 02:21.48 | learner | you already forgot that I told you that? |
| 02:21.51 | shorty114 | debian, not windows... |
| 02:21.58 | shorty114 | learner: broken all the same |
| 02:21.58 | bryjen | its hard to fix a problem for an machine arch that you don't have. Ex: a windows developer adds a feature, that breaks the Mac build until its updated |
| 02:22.13 | learner | you make sure your build works |
| 02:22.22 | learner | and do what you can to not break the others |
| 02:22.28 | learner | but it _will_ happen |
| 02:22.44 | learner | especially with a large group project like this |
| 02:22.56 | learner | where every flipping platform is supported |
| 02:23.13 | bryjen | i'd think its likely here as we're not really that large, and all many are short of time |
| 02:23.40 | bryjen | s/likely/more likely/ s/all many/many/ |
| 02:24.19 | learner | if someone wants to set up the compile farm testing, that would be much appreciated |
| 02:24.32 | shorty114 | huh? |
| 02:24.36 | shorty114 | what's compile farm testing? |
| 02:24.51 | learner | there's a big ol' section in the sourceforge documentation |
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| 02:25.00 | bryjen | automatic builds to test changes |
| 02:25.38 | smashlee2 | sorry bout that |
| 02:25.40 | smashlee2 | lol |
| 02:25.51 | learner | about what? |
| 02:26.27 | bryjen | we've probly got what, 2-4 main active devs on each of 3-4 arches? |
| 02:26.31 | shorty114 | i can do PPC...lemme read a little more |
| 02:26.34 | shorty114 | 10.2 |
| 02:26.46 | bestbuddyever | it reports the error in a darwin include file, kindof odd |
| 02:26.53 | learner | eek. 10.2 -- that's you're problem :) |
| 02:27.08 | shorty114 | 10.3's a lil expensive... |
| 02:27.10 | learner | I specifically broke 10.2 about a month ago |
| 02:27.17 | shorty114 | why? |
| 02:27.18 | learner | 10.2 builds, that is |
| 02:27.23 | shorty114 | tons of ppl are 10.2 |
| 02:27.31 | bryjen | bz 1.10.2 or osx 10.2 ? |
| 02:27.37 | shorty114 | osx |
| 02:27.39 | learner | the binaries will run just fine on 10.2 |
| 02:27.48 | shorty114 | binaries from? |
| 02:27.58 | shorty114 | only windows binaries for CVS last i heard |
| 02:27.59 | learner | actually Tim broke the builds and I'm tired arguing with him about it |
| 02:28.12 | shorty114 | ah |
| 02:28.19 | shorty114 | seems more like it :) |
| 02:28.39 | bestbuddyever | wouldn't a few #ifs get around something like that? |
| 02:28.40 | learner | but it's not going to be fixed anytime soon at least by me |
| 02:29.16 | shorty114 | sh*t...time to buy 10.3 |
| 02:29.21 | learner | it only broke the ability to _compile_ on 10.2 using the broken headers in shipped for gcc .. |
| 02:29.37 | learner | bzflag will continue to run fine, I'll make sure of that |
| 02:29.38 | shorty114 | so if i compile gcc, will it work? |
| 02:29.47 | shorty114 | the latest version of gcc? |
| 02:30.01 | learner | that might help |
| 02:30.13 | shorty114 | heh i'll try... |
| 02:30.14 | bestbuddyever | or try installing the latest dev tools |
| 02:30.17 | learner | but iirc, apple isn't going to fix that in 10.2 either -- but worth a try |
| 02:30.25 | shorty114 | k |
| 02:31.45 | learner | I could work around all the problems in the configure file, but it's only an issue building on 10.2 that was fixed well over a year ago .. so by far not a priority |
| 02:32.01 | learner | if there's someone else on 10.2 that would like to make the fix, I'll gladly commit the changes |
| 02:32.13 | shorty114 | what does that person hafta do? |
| 02:32.27 | learner | shorty114, know how to code first :) |
| 02:32.34 | shorty114 | learner: that might help... |
| 02:32.42 | shorty114 | :) |
| 02:32.54 | shorty114 | i just wanna help with bzflag... |
| 02:33.06 | shorty114 | cept me kinda sux at C++ |
| 02:33.07 | shorty114 | ... |
| 02:33.13 | learner | there are lots of ways to help, all just as appreciated ;) |
| 02:33.19 | learner | howdy SportChick |
| 02:33.27 | SportChick | howdy learner |
| 02:33.36 | shorty114 | learner: i'm happy to do something |
| 02:33.58 | learner | shorty114, have you run a bzfs ? |
| 02:34.04 | shorty114 | learner: no |
| 02:34.10 | shorty114 | i'm on airport network |
| 02:34.28 | shorty114 | something always up with conf file |
| 02:34.29 | learner | do you know stylesheets and webdesign? |
| 02:34.35 | shorty114 | learner: yes |
| 02:34.44 | learner | do you know the zen garden? |
| 02:34.47 | shorty114 | yes |
| 02:34.53 | shorty114 | csszengarden.com or something |
| 02:35.27 | learner | right |
| 02:35.42 | shorty114 | heh i got the url from only 2 visits :) |
| 02:35.46 | learner | well, you could come up with a mock bzflag website interface |
| 02:36.02 | shorty114 | interface to? |
| 02:36.05 | learner | using a stylesheet and very structured layout |
| 02:36.17 | learner | to the main website |
| 02:36.23 | shorty114 | so a website? |
| 02:36.25 | shorty114 | k i'm on it |
| 02:36.54 | learner | not a full-blown website |
| 02:36.57 | learner | just a mock-up |
| 02:37.02 | learner | something that looks like it's a game |
| 02:37.05 | shorty114 | i'll do a front page |
| 02:37.12 | learner | maybe borrow some layout ideas from other game sites |
| 02:37.13 | PrezKennedy | i have to say that some of the zen webpages arent all that pretty |
| 02:37.22 | learner | do some research and compile a list of other gaming sites |
| 02:37.50 | learner | like quake world and planet diablo |
| 02:38.21 | shorty114 | ok |
| 02:38.59 | shorty114 | hmm i like planet diablo |
| 02:39.53 | learner | without actually doing and web design, I'd maybe lay out a wiki that first 1) lists relevant sites of interest 2) lists main sections of the new site |
| 02:40.22 | shorty114 | with db backend? |
| 02:40.24 | shorty114 | or not? |
| 02:40.47 | learner | no no .. without actually doing any web work |
| 02:40.57 | learner | just list what are all the major sections |
| 02:40.58 | shorty114 | nah i mean the mockup |
| 02:41.03 | learner | sort of like make a site map |
| 02:41.04 | shorty114 | ah ok |
| 02:41.15 | learner | that's more important overall for starters |
| 02:41.24 | learner | since the look and actual placement can be worked out later |
| 02:42.01 | shorty114 | i'll get barebones css on and then spice it up |
| 02:42.02 | shorty114 | :) |
| 02:42.11 | learner | especially given the myriad of backends available .. whether we keep what we have or use something else |
| 02:42.22 | shorty114 | and should it be HTML 4.01 or XHTML 1.0 compliant? |
| 02:42.29 | shorty114 | personally i don't use <!DOCTYPE> |
| 02:42.33 | smashlee2 | smashlee is back! |
| 02:42.36 | shorty114 | oh nm |
| 02:42.38 | bestbuddyever | CmdLineOptions is in bzfs/, does the bzflag client depend on that and, if not, how would I build the bzflag client without building bzfs? |
| 02:43.00 | learner | shorty114, no web stuff.. put your research into a wiki page |
| 02:43.15 | learner | _then_ you can work on the mock up |
| 02:43.34 | learner | bestbuddyever: client does not depend on it |
| 02:44.21 | shorty114|busy | where do wiki? |
| 02:44.30 | shorty114|busy | bzflag.org? |
| 02:44.40 | shorty114|busy | oh nm |
| 02:44.44 | learner | bestbuddyever: there's actually not a way to not build the server right now without building all of the directories manually |
| 02:44.57 | learner | bestbuddyever: it's just easiest to let it build.. it's relatively tiny |
| 02:45.09 | bestbuddyever | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.18 | bestbuddyever | I'm trying to get around the build breakage |
| 02:45.38 | learner | you on 10.2 also? |
| 02:45.44 | bestbuddyever | no, 10.3 |
| 02:45.54 | learner | then this should help.. |
| 02:46.15 | bestbuddyever | but based on the error from make, CmdLineOptions is a culprit, perhaps the culprit |
| 02:46.30 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerStartMenu.cxx: warnings |
| 02:46.45 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.in: check for the values.h header |
| 02:47.00 | shorty114|busy | hmm leaner: |
| 02:47.13 | shorty114|busy | is www.quakeworld.net the quakeworld you were referring to? |
| 02:47.25 | shorty114|busy | cuz it's with frames (ewwwww) |
| 02:47.40 | shorty114|busy | ~seen ABigFatGuy |
| 02:47.47 | ibot | shorty114|busy: i haven't seen 'abigfatguy' |
| 02:47.48 | shorty114|busy | oh ibot... |
| 02:47.51 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/common.h: stop using the generic BSD define, instead use HAVE_VALUES_H from configure |
| 02:47.56 | learner | shorty114|busy: I said features.. not layout/style/graphics |
| 02:48.12 | shorty114|busy | not many on quakeworld.net... |
| 02:48.24 | learner | bestbuddyever: I think those commits will "make it work" for you .. though I don't know if anonymous is delayed |
| 02:48.39 | PrezKennedy | im kinda glad im not hosted on gamespy |
| 02:48.51 | bestbuddyever | I'll give it a try |
| 02:48.54 | learner | ~seen MeBigFatGuy |
| 02:48.55 | ibot | mebigfatguy <~dave@balt-209-150-116-240.dynamic-dial.qis.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 21h 51s ago, saying: 'thats it'. |
| 02:49.19 | learner | bryjen: heh, I suppose my guessed win32 actually worked :) |
| 02:49.25 | shorty114|busy | my personal fav right now is planet half life... |
| 02:51.20 | learner | shorty114|busy, you really have to stop looking at the layout/graphics or you will not be helping out much .. main "sections" of the website |
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| 02:51.34 | learner | keep a list of the gaming sites you find |
| 02:51.41 | learner | put that all on the wiki |
| 02:51.44 | bryjen | like you said, try to get close and the rest is up to someone with the proper environment |
| 02:52.06 | PrezKennedy | shorty114|busy, to help you on your quest... http://osgaming.net/ |
| 02:52.07 | PrezKennedy | ;-) |
| 02:52.25 | shorty114|busy | learner: i like the content |
| 02:52.34 | shorty114|busy | POTD, etc. |
| 02:52.38 | shorty114|busy | good guide also |
| 02:52.58 | PrezKennedy | i can start "promoting" it again because its not merely a shadow of its former self anymore |
| 02:54.05 | learner | k |
| 02:54.45 | learner | yep, that values.h BSD define stuff seemed to be all that was really awry |
| 02:55.01 | learner | looks like it's building fine again |
| 02:57.16 | bestbuddyever | I can't believe there's this much code for bzflag |
| 02:57.33 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/Makefile.am: zlib is required by bzfs |
| 02:57.57 | learner | bz does a lot behind the scenes |
| 02:58.44 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/3D/TextureFont.cxx: chop the '.' too |
| 02:58.49 | learner | something visibly simple like the word filter is several thousand lines of code, 6 files for proper abstraction |
| 02:58.54 | PrezKennedy | its secretly calculating the meaning of life behind the scenes |
| 02:58.55 | bestbuddyever | apparently . . . I don't remember POV-Ray taking this long to build, but that's probably subjective |
| 02:59.07 | DTRemenak | hah, this build just failed at values.h - guess I should update :) |
| 02:59.28 | learner | DTRemenak: heh |
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| 03:06.02 | shorty114|busy | PrezKennedy: heh |
| 03:06.12 | shorty114|busy | i just realized that you are behind osgaming.net |
| 03:06.47 | bryjen | pay no attention to the man behind the web site! |
| 03:06.50 | bryjen | ;) |
| 03:06.53 | shorty114 | heh |
| 03:07.01 | shorty114 | i wanted to ask him if he really got Cube working |
| 03:07.55 | shorty114 | cuz it's not working for me |
| 03:08.05 | PrezKennedy | it worked for me when i tried it |
| 03:08.26 | shorty114 | what os are you? |
| 03:08.30 | learner | that doesn't count ;) |
| 03:08.39 | bryjen | hmm. it doesn't look like my 1.11 bzfs is outputting the adns "resolved to" messages anymore |
| 03:08.50 | learner | ~ww |
| 03:09.16 | shorty114 | PrezKennedy: your bzflag download is 1.10.4 |
| 03:09.19 | shorty114 | in mac |
| 03:09.23 | shorty114 | under arcade |
| 03:09.26 | shorty114 | ;) |
| 03:10.22 | shorty114 | and your windows exe is 1.7g2 |
| 03:10.29 | shorty114 | ... |
| 03:10.30 | shorty114 | heh |
| 03:10.58 | PrezKennedy | bit out of date... |
| 03:11.15 | PrezKennedy | mostly because right now im interested in uploading games that arent already on sourceforge |
| 03:11.55 | learner | oop.. Occluder error |
| 03:13.49 | learner | er, nope.. learner error |
| 03:18.02 | tea|tree_ | learner? |
| 03:24.32 | bryjen | need some 1.11 tankers for a lag check at bryjen.bzflag.org:5158 |
| 03:27.04 | bryjen | i wish we'd gotten decks going Friday so I'd know if the funkiness from current CVS server is just me |
| 03:30.20 | bryjen | ah-hah. bzflag.bz back in the list! autobuilds? |
| 03:32.55 | bryjen | the bzflag.bz bunny hunt seems to have the same slow logon banner behavior as mine... |
| 03:33.33 | bryjen | the others don't. or aren't as bad :( |
| 03:33.59 | bryjen | learner: ping |
| 03:37.07 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: trying to fix the messaging system |
| 03:37.09 | trepan | bryjen: hopefully, that should do it |
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| 03:43.37 | bryjen | whee! |
