| 00:00.01 | Patlabor221 | and just plug in a cheap webcam |
| 00:00.05 | Noodleman | bwahahaha |
| 00:01.14 | Megachirops | I'm starting to get ideas... |
| 00:01.46 | Patlabor221 | how much are those wireless cams? |
| 00:01.56 | Noodleman | 100-odd bucks |
| 00:02.23 | Megachirops | Stop trying to save the world DTR :P |
| 00:03.10 | Noodleman | hehe seamonkeys |
| 00:05.36 | Megachirops | my own personal Johnny 5 unit would be cool.. fully wireless... some sort of an HTTP access GUI to control him... take away his sentience |
| 00:06.01 | Noodleman | welp, time to head home |
| 00:06.03 | Noodleman | l8r |
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| 00:07.13 | Patlabor221 | Noodleman, I think it would be easyer to just put a laptop in the tank |
| 00:07.19 | Patlabor221 | and then 802.11b |
| 00:08.53 | Patlabor221 | then put a web server on it |
| 00:08.58 | Patlabor221 | and run it via a php page |
| 00:11.40 | Megachirops | is there any benefit to running Linux on a Mac in terms of performance? |
| 00:12.59 | MeBigFatGuy | compared to a pc, or compared to macos? |
| 00:13.14 | Megachirops | OSX |
| 00:14.12 | Megachirops | I'm trying to decide between a 64bit Compaq and a Mac... and we all know I'd have linux on the compaq... |
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| 00:14.23 | Megachirops | *laptop that is :) |
| 00:14.35 | micronet | on bzfs, where is the config file? |
| 00:14.44 | learner | the linux distros run pretty slick on the macs |
| 00:14.49 | learner | dual boot one for kicks |
| 00:15.15 | Patlabor221 | micronet, where ever you tell it to be |
| 00:15.21 | learner | linux is generally much lighter weight, it's using less memory/cpu so it feels a lot more responsive a lot of the time |
| 00:15.30 | Megachirops | do you reccomend I get a Mac laptop instead of a PC? |
| 00:15.42 | learner | you're asking the wrong guy :) |
| 00:15.42 | micronet | Patlabor221: could u help me to make my server? I,m so disaponting |
| 00:15.50 | Patlabor221 | micronet, what OS? |
| 00:16.19 | learner | I purchased my first mac workstation several years ago, and it's been my primary platform ever since |
| 00:16.34 | micronet | debian (sarge) |
| 00:16.49 | learner | it's nice to not worry about petty things where it all mostly works and works very well |
| 00:17.35 | Patlabor221 | micronet what are the problems you have had? |
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| 00:19.22 | micronet | i don't know how it work and the page on the website is too advanced for me (i'm newbie in bzflag server) |
| 00:20.01 | Patlabor221 | are you trying to do a public server or a private one? |
| 00:20.15 | micronet | private plz |
| 00:20.42 | trepan | learner: got a treat for ya ;) |
| 00:21.09 | learner | wee, yay |
| 00:21.26 | trepan | occluders, with wacky colorful graphics to show em in action |
| 00:21.40 | learner | cool |
| 00:21.50 | trepan | can sit in the middle of 6000 blocks and get 320 fps |
| 00:22.00 | learner | holly cow |
| 00:22.03 | trepan | (sans radar) |
| 00:22.30 | learner | what's it without occlusion culling and sans radar? |
| 00:24.11 | trepan | 20 in the corner, 25 in the middle |
| 00:24.26 | learner | awesome :) |
| 00:24.58 | Patlabor221 | told you bz needed proper culling :) |
| 00:25.07 | trepan | forgot 'i--;' in one spot, and it cost me 45 mins, i almost lost it |
| 00:25.48 | learner | tis only a minor order of magnitude improvement ;) |
| 00:25.54 | trepan | Patlabor221: it still requires proper map design to make use of it though |
| 00:26.15 | Patlabor221 | sure but it's better then testing every damned thing against the frustum :) |
| 00:26.19 | trepan | you have 1000 objects in an open space, you're still screwed |
| 00:26.38 | occy | I still say we need radar-only play for ducati style ;) |
| 00:26.43 | occy | :D |
| 00:26.52 | learner | occy: soon .. soon |
| 00:27.00 | occy | learner: ooooh, yummy |
| 00:27.01 | trepan | radar less play might be fun too |
| 00:27.14 | MeBigFatGuy | just jam a blindness flag on every tank |
| 00:27.14 | trepan | bumped up the angular vel a little though... |
| 00:27.17 | occy | trepan: now that could be cool... have servers that disallow radar |
| 00:27.31 | Patlabor221 | so they are "ghosty" |
| 00:27.45 | MeBigFatGuy | BZDB-it |
| 00:27.50 | learner | Patlabor221, heh, that's what quenching effectively does now :) |
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| 00:28.23 | Patlabor221 | learner yes but I want the server to ONLY send radar objects, not have the client infer it from player pos, so harder to cheat |
| 00:28.25 | learner | cept the ghosts are more like mexican jumping beans |
| 00:29.20 | learner | only problem is someone could simply recode the radar to show real data |
| 00:29.46 | Patlabor221 | not if you don't send them updates on stealthed or far away players :) |
| 00:31.06 | Patlabor221 | be a tad more bandwith, but I think it would wash out, less updates from far players, + periodic radar updates |
| 00:31.30 | trepan | learner: isn't that what you've done? |
| 00:32.18 | trepan | occy: fyi, radar can be turned off in 1.11.x, so it's not a far stretch to throw it in as a server option |
| 00:32.19 | Patlabor221 | bz still has a hard link between 3d players and radar |
| 00:32.37 | learner | it's effectively what I've done, though there is no separation |
| 00:32.49 | trepan | why bother with the separation? |
| 00:33.02 | orchid | micronet: did you get it to work? |
| 00:39.16 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: there is mega-lag all the sudden on SP |
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| 00:44.48 | Patlabor221 | somone restarted there router |
| 00:47.51 | occy | bzflag > * |
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| 00:57.08 | Noodleman_ | if only i could find the number... |
| 00:57.20 | learner | Mmm. pizza would be good |
| 00:57.52 | Noodleman_ | well, go take a nap |
| 00:57.58 | Noodleman_ | THEN FIRE ZEE MISSILES! |
| 00:58.15 | learner | then order ZE PIZZA! |
| 00:58.17 | Patlabor221 | but I am letired |
| 00:58.28 | Noodleman_ | you're probably wondering what the heck i'm talking about :-P |
| 00:58.51 | Patlabor221 | hey I'm in the cool state that gets to hang with hawaii |
| 00:58.57 | learner | and in austrailia they're like "wtf, mate"? |
| 00:59.06 | Noodleman_ | alaska can come too |
| 00:59.14 | learner | the END! |
| 00:59.38 | learner | ~nslookup bzflag.bz |
| 00:59.42 | learner | woot |
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| 01:04.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/ (14 files in 6 dirs): ws |
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| 01:06.52 | learner | make -j |
| 01:09.27 | DTRemenak | last time I tried that it didn't work - but that was a long while and several versions ago |
| 01:10.05 | bryjen | two dual 400mhz pii's w/512mb ram each don't compile as fast as 1 2.4ghz p4 w/256mb ram |
| 01:10.49 | bryjen | one quality brain being better than a quantity of four |
| 01:10.56 | DTRemenak | bryjen: that's true, but mostly due to the architechure difference |
| 01:11.09 | bryjen | eh? |
| 01:11.51 | DTRemenak | try overclocking one of those p2s to 2.4ghz |
| 01:12.00 | bryjen | as in the diff from pii to p4 being more significant than the monster mhz diff? |
| 01:12.00 | DTRemenak | you still won't get as fast as the p4 |
| 01:12.25 | bryjen | ;) |
| 01:12.31 | DTRemenak | eh, you said two duals, not three |
| 01:13.03 | bryjen | i was playing with http://distcc.samba.org/ |
| 01:13.08 | DTRemenak | ah, cool |
| 01:13.30 | DTRemenak | the other problem there is network latency - transferring your object files makes your machines idle |
| 01:13.34 | DTRemenak | and only one machine can link |
| 01:13.54 | bryjen | yeah, until i realized all my "spare" pcs i could enslave were fossils :( |
| 01:14.04 | bryjen | my workstation was better |
| 01:14.30 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:15.16 | DTRemenak | but you can enslave all of your fossils without slowing down your Halo game :) |
| 01:15.34 | bryjen | halo on linux? |
| 01:15.50 | bryjen | :P |
| 01:15.55 | DTRemenak | well, you may have to do some custom wine coding |
| 01:16.01 | DTRemenak | s/some/a massive amount of |
| 01:16.17 | bryjen | ^for very large values of "some" |
| 01:16.35 | DTRemenak | wow, I guess make -j works now - I've got 11 instances of cc1plus.exe running now :) |
| 01:17.15 | bryjen | on you 1 550mhz cpu? |
| 01:17.23 | bryjen | s/you/your/ |
| 01:17.25 | DTRemenak | 4x 550 xeons |
| 01:17.33 | bryjen | well then... |
| 01:17.53 | learner | DTRemenak: the syntax is actually make -jNUM_PROCS .. but default is 10 or 16 or something |
| 01:18.07 | DTRemenak | learner: ah, ok |
| 01:18.32 | DTRemenak | any way to make that default? environ var or something? |
| 01:18.33 | learner | tis a gnumake extension |
| 01:18.44 | learner | make -j4 for example |
| 01:18.55 | DTRemenak | bryjen: :) |
| 01:19.02 | DTRemenak | wait until noone's using it |
| 01:20.13 | DTRemenak | or if it's running a decent os, nice it |
| 01:20.45 | bryjen | its MS SQL, so no nice ;) |
| 01:20.58 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 01:21.04 | DTRemenak | no decent os either :) |
| 01:21.28 | SportChick | best pizza in the area down here - Wildflour Pizza |
| 01:22.01 | learner | best pizza I've had is in manhattan |
| 01:22.10 | learner | the first pizzeria |
| 01:22.26 | SportChick | I didn't say "best pizza ever" - I said best pizza in THIS area (altho Paisanos is good too) |
| 01:22.27 | learner | amazing pepperoni mmmMMmmmm |
| 01:22.37 | SportChick | you're making me hungry for pizza! :( |
| 01:22.39 | SportChick | stop it |
| 01:22.40 | learner | everything from scratch |
| 01:22.51 | learner | lombardi's |
| 01:23.40 | learner | J? :) |
| 01:23.53 | DTRemenak | it's his process, not mine :) |
| 01:24.52 | DTRemenak | he's the server owner - if it were mine it sure as heck wouldn't be running W2K3 :) |
| 01:25.45 | learner | he prefers w95 |
| 01:25.47 | PrezKennedy | learner runs windows 98 on his server ;-) |
| 01:26.14 | DTRemenak | bryjen: only out of convenience - I split my time about 45/45 between linux and windows, with the scraps going to beos, freebsd, and os/2 |
| 01:26.37 | bryjen | eeehhheeeww |
| 01:26.49 | DTRemenak | what? ;) |
| 01:27.06 | bryjen | ~spell schizophrenia |
| 01:27.07 | ibot | 'schizophrenia' may be spelled correctly |
| 01:27.13 | bryjen | ~dcit schizophrenia |
| 01:27.14 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 01:27.15 | learner | BeOS! |
| 01:27.21 | learner | :( |
| 01:27.23 | bryjen | whoops |
| 01:27.24 | PrezKennedy | ~dict antidisestablishmentarianism |
| 01:27.29 | DTRemenak | ~dict MPD |
| 01:27.33 | DTRemenak | aww |
| 01:27.38 | DTRemenak | ~acronym MPD |
| 01:27.42 | bryjen | Ah-hah, DTRemenak is the other beos user! |
| 01:27.56 | bryjen | ;) |
| 01:27.56 | PrezKennedy | ~dict tank |
| 01:27.56 | DTRemenak | heh :) still haven't gotten bz to compile on it tho |
| 01:28.09 | bryjen | just you and mmu_man |
| 01:28.32 | DTRemenak | my beos install has a nasty habit of locking up |
| 01:29.55 | learner | user error |
| 01:29.58 | learner | blasphemy |
| 01:30.02 | DTRemenak | heh, probably :) |
| 01:30.22 | DTRemenak | I think it has a grudge against me |
| 01:31.31 | DTRemenak | now OS/2 - there's an OS :) |
| 01:33.07 | bryjen | ...as he quickly leaves the channel... |
| 01:34.58 | bryjen | hmm, perhaps we need yellow/tan "grass" for desert tank combat... |
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| 01:44.49 | orchid | bryjen: we need grass that we can choose the color :) |
| 01:44.57 | orchid | hi menotume |
| 01:45.03 | menotume | hi hi :) |
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| 01:52.39 | Havoc__ | hi all |
| 01:53.00 | orchid | hi |
| 01:53.09 | menotume | hi__ |
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| 01:55.00 | LHFP | hi all! |
| 01:55.05 | Havoc__ | hi |
| 01:55.09 | LHFP | ~seen Tegan |
| 01:55.14 | ibot | tegan <~lyra@dsl017-034-201.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzleague, 1d 18h 4m 13s ago, saying: 'okay'. |
| 01:55.25 | LHFP | woah |
| 01:55.35 | LHFP | o, hi havoc |
| 01:55.39 | LHFP | >:) |
| 01:55.47 | LHFP | bbl |
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| 02:02.52 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: mingw warning, ws |
| 02:05.13 | PrezKennedy | learner do you know php? |
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| 02:07.30 | bryjen | orchid: I was just reading that entry and pondering other colors for the ground |
| 02:08.28 | bryjen | its all in the .png data files |
| 02:08.47 | orchid | hm? |
| 02:09.25 | bryjen | std_ground.png zone_ground.png |
| 02:09.48 | orchid | ahh |
| 02:09.53 | orchid | i could alter those |
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| 02:09.55 | orchid | ? |
| 02:10.01 | bryjen | yeah |
| 02:10.30 | bryjen | altho just recoloring the std one tan would look like a dead lawn :) |
| 02:10.51 | DTRemenak | hey, at least that's more realistic :) |
| 02:11.30 | Patlabor221 | I have some dirt ones somewhere |
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| 02:12.30 | bryjen | hehe dirty pngs |
| 02:13.09 | Patlabor221 | every one wants drew barymore to replace the grass right? |
| 02:16.20 | Patlabor221 | what you don't like drew? |
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| 02:16.54 | bryjen | i hand you the scissors.... |
| 02:18.13 | bryjen | and off you run. |
| 02:18.29 | Patlabor221 | it's my ideom |
| 02:18.48 | orchid | bryjen: thats if you play with textures though |
| 02:19.20 | orchid | with no tex, the client makes the ground green with some code? |
| 02:19.23 | Patlabor221 | there are people who don't play with textures? |
| 02:19.42 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 02:19.50 | bryjen | i though i saw brick boxes in your screenies |
| 02:20.05 | orchid | oh, well i mean low quality |
| 02:20.22 | orchid | what ever makes the tanks contrasty the most |
| 02:20.34 | Patlabor221 | the ground colors are hardcoded for non textures |
| 02:20.37 | menotume | I agree w/orchid |
| 02:21.01 | Patlabor221 | BackgroundRenderer.cxx line 37 |
| 02:21.09 | Patlabor221 | 4 colors per state |
| 02:21.29 | orchid | yeah but i think other ctf players would veiw altering that as a cheat |
| 02:21.50 | Patlabor221 | want me to put them in bzdb :) |
| 02:21.55 | bryjen | if you had a higher-tank-contrasting ground tex, would you turn it back up? |
| 02:22.06 | orchid | sure |
| 02:22.11 | orchid | whatever works |
| 02:22.31 | Patlabor221 | gotta love the code |
| 02:22.32 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.52 | bryjen | no tank battles on mars? |
| 02:23.20 | Patlabor221 | well I dono, there is a global local name confilct too |
| 02:23.43 | Patlabor221 | GLfloat groundColor; and GLfloat groundColor[4][3]; |
| 02:23.56 | lan56 | patlabor221: how come you have a 1.11.7 client on http://sasami.bakadigital.com/ but the current protocol in CVS is 1.11.6? |
| 02:24.21 | Patlabor221 | lan56: probably cus the client was bumped but not the protocoll |
| 02:24.26 | Patlabor221 | they are NOT lockstep |
| 02:24.38 | lan56 | ahh, I oughta download that then |
| 02:24.43 | Patlabor221 | it's just cvs |
| 02:24.49 | Patlabor221 | it's the same thing you build allday long |
| 02:24.59 | lan56 | I know, but I always keep a good copy around in case I screw up |
| 02:25.02 | lan56 | which I have done many times |
| 02:25.05 | Patlabor221 | just revert |
| 02:25.15 | lan56 | laziness :) |
| 02:25.16 | Patlabor221 | or blast down a new copy |
| 02:25.43 | Patlabor221 | I generaly just get clean Cvs every time I build |
| 02:25.51 | Patlabor221 | or if I'm not sure |
| 02:26.01 | lan56 | how long does it take to compile a clean build? |
| 02:26.03 | bryjen | ah, but you have the bands of broad |
| 02:26.18 | Patlabor221 | compile, 4-5 min |
| 02:26.31 | Patlabor221 | takes about 45 seconds to get clean |
| 02:26.45 | lan56 | not bad |
| 02:27.03 | lan56 | the compile time is what I get as well, but the checkout time is quite gorgeous |
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| 02:27.32 | Patlabor221 | how do I check to see if an item exists in bzdb? |
| 02:27.40 | bryjen | rehi MeBigFatGuy |
| 02:27.46 | lan56 | BZDB.isSet() IIRC |
| 02:28.05 | MeBigFatGuy | lo |
| 02:28.46 | Patlabor221 | bzdb have an easy way to get a triplet? |
| 02:31.58 | trepan | Patlabor221: they're all strings, so you could parse it yourself |
| 02:32.07 | Patlabor221 | I see that |
| 02:32.15 | Patlabor221 | bzdb needs utilitys |
| 02:32.23 | Patlabor221 | as it is a nice config interface |
| 02:32.28 | Patlabor221 | even tho it was not designed for it |
| 02:39.50 | lan56 | isn't bzdb just a vector of game variables? |
| 02:40.11 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/BackgroundRenderer.cxx: allow bzdb to overide non textured ground color |
| 02:40.18 | Patlabor221 | it's more then that |
| 02:40.29 | Patlabor221 | it can also sync values with the server |
| 02:40.39 | Patlabor221 | that's all it was made for |
| 02:40.44 | Patlabor221 | but more and more gets put in there |
| 02:40.53 | lan56 | but isn't the data type a vector? |
| 02:40.54 | Patlabor221 | it's not fast for stuff that gets called a LOT |
| 02:41.08 | Patlabor221 | I am not sure, it may be a map cus it has a key |
| 02:42.16 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's a map |
| 02:42.28 | Patlabor221 | using the name string as the key |
| 02:42.31 | Patlabor221 | maps are cool |
| 02:42.38 | lan56 | they sure are |
| 02:43.06 | lan56 | but isn't it just the same as a vector except values can be called using a user created key? |
| 02:43.23 | Patlabor221 | it can be used like that yes |
| 02:43.29 | Patlabor221 | but internealy it's a binary tree |
| 02:43.31 | MeBigFatGuy | no not really |
| 02:43.49 | Patlabor221 | the usage of the [] is all there realy is |
| 02:43.56 | Patlabor221 | that is similar |
| 02:44.22 | lan56 | all you really need is [] |
| 02:44.22 | MeBigFatGuy | and that is smoke and mirrors |
| 02:44.28 | lan56 | and I suppose size() |
| 02:44.31 | lan56 | and erase() |
| 02:44.34 | lan56 | but that's about it |
| 02:44.35 | Patlabor221 | and ohh say "find"? |
| 02:44.43 | lan56 | for a map sure |
| 02:44.52 | lan56 | as for a vector, they don't have that function |
| 02:44.59 | Patlabor221 | you don't use iterators do you? |
| 02:45.05 | lan56 | I use size() |
| 02:45.11 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 02:45.14 | Patlabor221 | how quaint |
| 02:45.25 | lan56 | I have never used an iterator |
| 02:45.28 | lan56 | even for erase() |
| 02:45.32 | Patlabor221 | for ( i = 0; i < myVector.size(); i++) |
| 02:45.33 | MeBigFatGuy | you don't know what your missing |
| 02:45.37 | Patlabor221 | really |
| 02:45.43 | lan56 | I find it easiest |
| 02:45.48 | Patlabor221 | you should join us in the 20th |
| 02:45.58 | lan56 | 20th of what? |
| 02:46.06 | Patlabor221 | well 21st |
| 02:46.10 | Patlabor221 | you are stuck in the 20th |
| 02:46.15 | lan56 | 20th what? |
| 02:46.21 | learner | you mean the 8th? |
| 02:46.29 | Patlabor221 | centry |
| 02:46.32 | lan56 | ahh |
| 02:47.14 | lan56 | well, what do iterators give me that an unsigned int cant? size() works fine, erase() works fine, haven't stumbled upon any function I couldn't use without an iterator |
| 02:47.18 | Patlabor221 | to add something to a vector do you do myvec[myvec.size()-1] = thing; ? |
| 02:47.23 | lan56 | no |
| 02:47.28 | lan56 | myvec.push_back() |
| 02:47.35 | Patlabor221 | well at least you have that |
| 02:47.48 | Patlabor221 | itererators are nice cus they make iterating imple |
| 02:47.53 | Patlabor221 | and they ARE the thing |
| 02:48.00 | Patlabor221 | well a refrence to it sorta |
| 02:48.06 | Patlabor221 | you can throw them around |
| 02:48.11 | Patlabor221 | increment them |
| 02:48.13 | Patlabor221 | decrement them |
| 02:48.14 | MeBigFatGuy | also you can erase from an iterator while in a loop without jumping thru hoops |
| 02:48.15 | lan56 | same thing with an int |
| 02:48.19 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:48.22 | Patlabor221 | that's the bigest thing |
| 02:48.37 | Patlabor221 | itr = myvec.erase(itr); |
| 02:48.47 | Patlabor221 | boom, you automaticly on the next one |
| 02:48.52 | MeBigFatGuy | and also find returns an iterator :) so you HAVE used them |
| 02:48.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:49.05 | lan56 | myvec.erase(myvec.begin() + what); |
| 02:49.11 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 02:49.16 | Patlabor221 | that takes longer |
| 02:49.17 | lan56 | or what - 1 |
| 02:49.24 | Patlabor221 | and is more confusing |
| 02:49.47 | Patlabor221 | vectors are the only container you can use an index with IIRC |
| 02:49.48 | lan56 | slower by how much? 1 ms? |
| 02:49.56 | Patlabor221 | couple ops |
| 02:50.03 | Patlabor221 | but do that 10000 times a frame and it adds up |
| 02:50.19 | Patlabor221 | but it's cus your a C programing trying to use C++ things |
| 02:50.32 | lan56 | I never learned C on purpose |
| 02:50.40 | Patlabor221 | ever give your structs constructors? |
| 02:50.47 | lan56 | I never used structs |
| 02:50.51 | lan56 | just classes |
| 02:50.53 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 02:50.59 | Patlabor221 | classes are structs :) |
| 02:51.05 | lan56 | struct keyword |
| 02:51.10 | Patlabor221 | dosnt' mater |
| 02:51.19 | Patlabor221 | just difrent defalt perms |
| 02:51.23 | MeBigFatGuy | clases with default public access anyway |
| 02:51.29 | lan56 | sure I give constructors |
| 02:51.48 | lan56 | in that cron program I put on bzbb I used a constructor |
| 02:51.57 | Patlabor221 | one of or contractors, manualy calls destructors and gets rid of classes with free() |
| 02:52.18 | lan56 | what does? |
| 02:52.30 | Patlabor221 | a contractor we employ |
| 02:52.36 | lan56 | ahh |
| 02:52.40 | MeBigFatGuy | lovely |
| 02:52.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:52.49 | Patlabor221 | there is much beating with the cluebat |
| 02:52.56 | Patlabor221 | he dosnt't "trust C++" |
| 02:53.01 | lan56 | I've never even heard of free() |
| 02:53.46 | MeBigFatGuy | ignorance is bliss |
| 02:53.59 | MeBigFatGuy | <to the contractor> |
| 02:54.22 | lan56 | ignorance to the contractor? |
| 02:54.56 | MeBigFatGuy | ya |
| 02:55.21 | lan56 | I suppose we could ignore the contractor, if patlabor has finished his story |
| 02:58.33 | lan56 | but then how are you supposed to use [] without an unsigned int? gcc can't find any declaration involving iterators |
| 02:59.35 | trepan | it's an overloaded operator in the map class (and other i believe), go find a <map> header file and look into it |
| 02:59.48 | lan56 | I mean for vectors |
| 02:59.57 | lan56 | there is none |
| 03:00.23 | trepan | then why are you trying to do it? |
| 03:00.47 | lan56 | because patlabor221 put explained it saying that an iterator is better than an int |
| 03:01.29 | lan56 | that can intend that an iterator can do things an int can do, but better |
| 03:02.10 | trepan | i taught myself this stuff a couple o' months ago, now it's your turn |
| 03:02.29 | trepan | read the code, iterators are used through out the bzflag code |
| 03:02.36 | lan56 | I know there is a way |
| 03:02.49 | lan56 | I am saying that [] can't use iterators on my version of gcc at least |
| 03:03.00 | lan56 | std::vector<>::iterator |
| 03:05.17 | Patlabor221 | map and set have it IIRC |
| 03:05.44 | Patlabor221 | that's imposible |
| 03:06.03 | lan56 | C:/Documents and Settings/Ian Agar/Desktop/streetlight.cpp:66: no match for ` |
| 03:06.03 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.03 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.03 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.03 | lan56 | C:/Dev-Cpp/include/c++/bits/stl_vector.h:289: candidates are: _Tp& |
| 03:06.04 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.06 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.10 | lan56 | C:/Dev-Cpp/include/c++/bits/stl_vector.h:300: const _Tp& |
| 03:06.12 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.14 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.16 | lan56 | C:/Documents and Settings/Ian Agar/Desktop/streetlight.cpp:67: no matching |
| 03:06.18 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.20 | *** kick/#bzflag [lan56!~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc] by Patlabor221 (Patlabor221) |
| 03:06.22 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (~lan56@dialup-4.233.23.24.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) |
| 03:06.26 | Patlabor221 | don't spam |
| 03:06.30 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.32 | lan56 | C:/Dev-Cpp/include/c++/bits/stl_vector.h:317: candidates are: _Tp& |
| 03:06.34 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.36 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.38 | lan56 | C:/Dev-Cpp/include/c++/bits/stl_vector.h:329: const _Tp& |
| 03:06.40 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.40 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@*.233.23.24.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net] by Patlabor221 |
| 03:06.57 | triclops | isn't there a channel for that sort of stuff, #flood or something? |
| 03:07.06 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!*@*.233.23.24.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net] by Patlabor221 |
| 03:07.15 | Patlabor221 | I dono |
| 03:07.20 | Patlabor221 | a link to a header would be fine |
| 03:07.32 | Patlabor221 | but iterators are part of the std standard implementaiton |
| 03:07.37 | lan56 | I know they are |
| 03:07.46 | Patlabor221 | It can't be STL if it dosn't have iterators |
| 03:07.50 | Patlabor221 | so it has to have it |
| 03:07.52 | Patlabor221 | just use one |
| 03:08.05 | lan56 | ahh nevermind |
| 03:08.30 | learner | MeBigFatGuy: power to the ignorant contractors! |
| 03:09.26 | lan56 | I think I forgot to take my medicine today |
| 03:09.57 | learner | though free()'ing a class is just dumb |
| 03:10.35 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@host-227-212.dialup.innercite.com) |
| 03:10.54 | learner | iterators, who what? |
| 03:11.13 | Patlabor221 | he says he dosn't have iterators in his STD vector implementation |
| 03:11.16 | learner | your vector was missing a type |
| 03:11.26 | Patlabor221 | that it was |
| 03:11.31 | lan56 | how so? |
| 03:11.40 | Patlabor221 | there was nothing in the <> |
| 03:11.41 | learner | std::vector<std::string>::iterator for example |
| 03:11.48 | lan56 | that was as example |
| 03:11.50 | Patlabor221 | the iterator needs to know what kinda vector it's an iterator for |
| 03:12.10 | learner | there are iterators for all of the stl containers, afaik |
| 03:12.10 | lan56 | I am looking at my code right now and I have it correct |
| 03:12.17 | learner | the pita is whether they are const |
| 03:12.24 | lan56 | nevermind, it doesn't matter |
| 03:12.34 | Patlabor221 | how are you asigning it? |
| 03:12.42 | Patlabor221 | to myvec.begin(); ? |
| 03:12.48 | *** join/#bzflag blast007_away (~blast@216.138.191.175) |
| 03:12.50 | lan56 | no just normal declarations |
| 03:12.52 | lan56 | it's fine |
| 03:12.55 | lan56 | just forget it |
| 03:13.22 | Patlabor221 | flip/flop again? |
| 03:13.22 | lan56 | flip flop as in what? |
| 03:13.22 | learner | The WordFilter in src/common makes simple use of iterators, iirc |
| 03:13.43 | learner | or perhaps it's the VotingBooth, or both |
| 03:13.57 | learner | yes, both i think |
| 03:14.16 | learner | as they are both effectively just big complicated containers |
| 03:14.34 | lan56 | but here is the declaration anyway: std::vector<std::string>::iterator iter; |
| 03:14.43 | lan56 | now lets forget this whole argument |
| 03:14.57 | learner | we're arguing? |
| 03:15.01 | learner | about what? |
| 03:15.07 | lan56 | I honestly don't know. |
| 03:15.10 | Patlabor221 | who was arguing? |
| 03:15.47 | Patlabor221 | all I remember was spam |
| 03:15.47 | Patlabor221 | lots of it |
| 03:15.47 | Patlabor221 | somone pasted a header |
| 03:15.47 | learner | Mmm.. spam tastes yummy |
| 03:15.47 | lan56 | I pasted a few errors |
| 03:15.47 | learner | but looks nasty |
| 03:15.48 | learner | unless you fry it |
| 03:16.16 | lan56 | how else was I supposed to explain? I tried telling all about what I got, and still wasn't coming across clear, so I had no other choice |
| 03:16.48 | Patlabor221 | 1) post it to a file |
| 03:16.55 | Patlabor221 | 2) send it in a PM |
| 03:17.00 | Patlabor221 | 3) read and sumarise |
| 03:17.05 | lan56 | post it to a file? |
| 03:17.09 | lan56 | it's in a file |
| 03:17.17 | learner | send me your file, I'll take a peek |
| 03:17.29 | learner | probably just a bracket or two |
| 03:17.31 | lan56 | nah, it's not worth it, just forget the entire thing |
| 03:17.47 | Patlabor221 | the internet never lets you forget :) |
| 03:17.53 | Patlabor221 | guu's got it all loged to the nano |
| 03:18.00 | lan56 | ibot has it all loged too |
| 03:18.01 | ibot | lan56: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 03:18.07 | learner | hehe |
| 03:18.10 | Patlabor221 | but only to the day |
| 03:18.15 | Patlabor221 | not the nano |
| 03:18.18 | Patlabor221 | guu is on the ball |
| 03:18.25 | Patlabor221 | guu rocks |
| 03:18.25 | guu | yes I do |
| 03:18.29 | learner | ibot is everyone's friend and nobody's all at the same time |
| 03:18.30 | ibot | i haven't a clue, learner |
| 03:18.38 | learner | i know sweetie, i know |
| 03:18.40 | lan56 | I like cia best |
| 03:18.48 | lan56 | cia gives hugs |
| 03:18.53 | Patlabor221 | not anymore |
| 03:19.06 | Patlabor221 | CIA is like a 2.45$ hooker |
| 03:19.12 | Patlabor221 | she'll do anyone |
| 03:19.16 | lan56 | really? |
| 03:19.33 | learner | Patlabor221: will I find any of those in Redondo? :) |
| 03:19.34 | lan56 | CIA is just a bot |
| 03:19.39 | Patlabor221 | see how many channels she's in |
| 03:19.43 | Patlabor221 | if you know where to look |
| 03:19.48 | lan56 | /whois guu |
| 03:19.54 | lan56 | 3 channels |
| 03:20.00 | Patlabor221 | I mean CIA |
| 03:20.05 | lan56 | ahh |
| 03:20.18 | Patlabor221 | guu is a sweet incocent bot |
| 03:20.19 | learner | Patlabor221, the last time siggraph was in LA few years ago... |
| 03:20.19 | lan56 | that sure is a lot of channels |
| 03:20.37 | lan56 | hookers are your least worry in la |
| 03:20.45 | purple_cow | lan56: if you're just whoising, that's not nearly all of them |
| 03:21.02 | Patlabor221 | cia is in what, 120 or 130 now? |
| 03:21.09 | learner | the week before I left, I ended up watching a special on 60 minutes |
| 03:21.21 | purple_cow | 159 |
| 03:21.40 | learner | it was about hookers that would roam from hotel to hotel charging exhorbitant rates .. yet were never around long enough to get caught |
| 03:21.50 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 03:22.01 | learner | well, that year I happened to be staying in a hotel near LAX :) |
| 03:22.05 | learner | and sure enough.. |
| 03:22.29 | learner | they were classy, and the skirtage was definately tight |
| 03:22.35 | shorty114 | lol |
| 03:22.38 | Patlabor221 | not bad |
| 03:22.39 | lan56 | :) |
| 03:22.42 | Patlabor221 | you take pictures? |
| 03:22.54 | learner | no, but it was fun to watch them lounging around |
| 03:22.56 | lan56 | he is talking about the hotel right? :) |
| 03:23.16 | shorty114 | heh |
| 03:23.32 | learner | until hotel security kicked in .. then they pulled exactly the lines 60 minutes showed about "meeting up with a friend" |
| 03:23.41 | Patlabor221 | up to 8 CIAs |
| 03:23.46 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 03:23.52 | Patlabor221 | maybe they watched the show too? |
| 03:23.53 | learner | overheard their rate.. impressive |
| 03:24.01 | Patlabor221 | how much? |
| 03:24.21 | learner | 350 or so depending on the guy :) |
| 03:24.25 | lan56 | not bad, i've payed much higher |
| 03:24.35 | Patlabor221 | that I woul not doubt |
| 03:24.36 | learner | 500 for one |
| 03:25.01 | shorty114 | maybe #hookers? ;) |
| 03:25.02 | Patlabor221 | did it have a nice balcony? |
| 03:30.55 | learner | wine |
| 03:31.00 | learner | and women |
| 03:31.08 | Patlabor221 | and hochy hochy coooo |
| 03:31.14 | DTRemenak | ~wine |
| 03:31.15 | ibot | Emulator of the Windows 3.x and Win32 APIs.. URL: http://www.winehq.com/, or a good way of curing the aches and pains of a systems integrator, or not half as good as beer, or best served in a clean wine glass after supper, or comes in may colours and flavors |
| 03:31.36 | DTRemenak | ~women |
| 03:31.37 | ibot | well, women is woman > 1 |
| 03:31.42 | lan56 | huh? |
| 03:31.50 | lan56 | ahh |
| 03:31.52 | lan56 | I get it now |
| 03:32.37 | Patlabor221 | wine is not an emulator |
| 03:32.40 | DTRemenak | you know, if you don't immediately say "huh?", then you don't have to embarass yourself once you get it :) |
| 03:32.53 | lan56 | it's not an embarrasement this time :) |
| 03:33.02 | Patlabor221 | he has no inner monolouge |
| 03:33.15 | Patlabor221 | lan56: were you ever frozen and thawed after losing your mojo? |
| 03:33.24 | lan56 | I never lost mojo |
| 03:33.30 | lan56 | and never was frozen |
| 03:33.32 | lan56 | for any reason |
| 03:33.49 | lan56 | how about you? |
| 03:34.24 | DTRemenak | now you can't say never :) |
| 03:34.31 | DTRemenak | oh, forgot part of it |
| 03:34.38 | lan56 | I was frozen once by dtr :) |
| 03:34.40 | Patlabor221 | it was room temp carboniate |
| 03:34.43 | lan56 | ahh man :( :) |
| 03:35.07 | lan56 | and I lost mojo once by dtr :) |
| 03:35.35 | Patlabor221 | best to keep your mojo where guys wont' go to get it |
| 03:36.18 | lan56 | I am not sure if we're talking about the same mojo I thought we were |
| 03:36.30 | DTRemenak | ~mojo |
| 03:36.31 | ibot | mojo is probably the libido, the life force, the right stuff, the essence, what the french call a certain ... oh I don't know what. |
| 03:36.38 | Patlabor221 | not the stuffed villan from the power puff girls |
| 03:37.05 | lan56 | you watch the powerpuff girls? |
| 03:37.17 | DTRemenak | do you? |
| 03:37.23 | lan56 | not intentionally |
| 03:37.25 | Patlabor221 | all the time |
| 03:37.27 | lan56 | or desirably |
| 03:37.30 | Patlabor221 | buttercup rocks |
| 03:37.35 | Patlabor221 | guu mojo |
| 03:37.35 | guu | IN MY PANTS! |
| 03:38.02 | lan56 | I'd say that the same mojo I thought we were talking about |
| 03:38.04 | DTRemenak | guu gender |
| 03:38.04 | guu | Im all woman baby |
| 03:38.13 | Patlabor221 | where else would she keep it |
| 03:38.20 | lan56 | guu is a bot |
| 03:38.21 | Patlabor221 | dude buy her a drink first |
| 03:38.28 | DTRemenak | guu drink? |
| 03:38.36 | DTRemenak | aww |
| 03:38.37 | Patlabor221 | no she only takes paypall |
| 03:38.45 | lan56 | she only takes me to start with |
| 03:39.12 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o DTRemenak] by Patlabor221 |
| 03:39.35 | Patlabor221 | j00 h4\/3 t3h p00W3r |
| 03:39.44 | lan56 | jew have the power? |
| 03:39.50 | amathis | you have the power/ |
| 03:40.03 | Patlabor221 | please don't be racist lan56 |
| 03:40.09 | lan56 | there's a 'j' in front of the sentance |
| 03:40.09 | lan56 | racist? |
| 03:40.15 | lan56 | all I asked was what you said |
| 03:40.33 | DTRemenak | I may have the power, but I'm too conscientious to use it :( |
| 03:40.36 | lan56 | alright then: *** have the power? |
| 03:40.58 | learner | Yo tengo el poder! |
| 03:41.05 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:41.10 | lan56 | I don't play quake |
| 03:41.15 | Patlabor221 | "pardon me, but what did you just say?" BLAM! |
| 03:41.19 | lan56 | heh |
| 03:41.57 | amathis | hmm.. |
| 03:42.10 | amathis | would the karma system work through a database? |
| 03:42.25 | Patlabor221 | witch karma system would you be speaking of? |
| 03:42.41 | amathis | if so, then we could make a php interface for it, and have like a 'Hall of Shame' with hostmasks so server admins could automatically ban TK'ers |
| 03:42.56 | amathis | bzflag's karma system. |
| 03:43.06 | Patlabor221 | dono |
| 03:43.11 | Patlabor221 | ask when it's implemented |
| 03:43.12 | amathis | TimRiker, ? |
| 03:43.59 | Patlabor221 | whoa |
| 03:44.05 | Patlabor221 | guu has karma |
| 03:44.20 | lan56 | you created guu and you don't even know what it has? |
| 03:44.25 | DTRemenak | ~karma guu |
| 03:44.25 | ibot | guu has karma of 7 |
| 03:44.29 | Patlabor221 | I didn't writ karma |
| 03:44.30 | DTRemenak | !karma guu |
| 03:44.31 | guu | DTRemenak: guu has no karma. |
| 03:44.38 | Patlabor221 | no gu has her own karma |
| 03:44.47 | Patlabor221 | !karma patlabor221 |
| 03:44.47 | guu | Patlabor221: patlabor221 has no karma. |
| 03:44.51 | DTRemenak | according to guu, guu has no karma |
| 03:44.55 | Patlabor221 | I didn't write guu |
| 03:45.00 | lan56 | you didn't |
| 03:45.02 | Patlabor221 | she just sorta came that way |
| 03:45.04 | amathis | and say taht if a person has + 10 tks in 5 minutes, it adds bad karma to the db... and all those instances could be already in the code instead of having to rest the weight on certain people/ |
| 03:45.04 | Patlabor221 | heck no |
| 03:45.08 | Patlabor221 | she's a supybot |
| 03:45.17 | lan56 | that's quite a surprise |
| 03:45.33 | Patlabor221 | amathis: it's not for the devs to judge what is good or bad play |
| 03:45.38 | Patlabor221 | it's up to the comunity |
| 03:45.42 | DTRemenak | amathis: the point of the karma system is to allow people to police themselves |
| 03:45.53 | amathis | oh.. |
| 03:45.55 | DTRemenak | auto TK kicking is already in the code - no need for karma there |
| 03:45.56 | learner | actually, I think it's just up to jolly |
| 03:46.00 | learner | she decides |
| 03:46.02 | learner | secretly |
| 03:46.14 | amathis | ? |
| 03:46.15 | Patlabor221 | I've seen her do the thumbs up/thumbs down thing |
| 03:46.22 | amathis | jolly? |
| 03:46.31 | Patlabor221 | I'd recomend geting her some nice candy or flowers |
| 03:46.33 | lan56 | isn't learner drunk 24/7? |
| 03:46.36 | Patlabor221 | maybe some bree |
| 03:46.37 | learner | yeah. she can be harsh if you don't appease her |
| 03:46.40 | learner | Mmm.. bree |
| 03:47.10 | amathis | lets sacrafice lan56 to jolly.. maybe she will bring us years of good playing.. |
| 03:47.16 | learner | there was the "2001 Deletion of Callsigns" when she got really upset.. scary |
| 03:48.19 | lan56 | anybody want a hamburger? |
| 03:48.23 | learner | lan56, I try |
| 03:48.31 | lan56 | I got plenty |
| 03:48.43 | learner | that 23rd hour can be tough |
| 03:48.50 | amathis | lan56, first cookies and now _this_????!?! |
| 03:49.04 | lan56 | no this is good, it's from in n out |
| 03:49.05 | DTRemenak | heh, by that time do you really know which hour it is? ;) |
| 03:49.05 | learner | breeburger mmmm. |
| 03:49.19 | amathis | wtf is in n out? |
| 03:49.26 | lan56 | wow |
| 03:49.27 | Patlabor221 | mmmmmmm |
| 03:49.28 | learner | it's a place |
| 03:49.30 | learner | you go in |
| 03:49.32 | learner | you go out |
| 03:49.33 | Patlabor221 | it's a burger place |
| 03:49.37 | lan56 | in n out is the king of burgers |
| 03:49.37 | Patlabor221 | rather good |
| 03:49.42 | lan56 | they only have 4 burgers though |
| 03:49.44 | lan56 | no 3 |
| 03:49.48 | DTRemenak | http://www.in-n-out.com/ |
| 03:49.50 | Patlabor221 | no it's not, but it's prety good |
| 03:49.51 | lan56 | but their double doubles are king |
| 03:49.52 | amathis | (amathis is in the south. We have sonics and krystals and A&W :)) |
| 03:49.57 | DTRemenak | lan56: they have as many as you want :) |
| 03:49.57 | learner | it's a cali thing |
| 03:50.01 | Patlabor221 | sonics sucks |
| 03:50.02 | lan56 | :) true |
| 03:50.03 | Patlabor221 | big time |
| 03:50.09 | DTRemenak | mm, A&W :) |
| 03:50.16 | lan56 | johnny rockets and sonics bite |
| 03:50.16 | amathis | Patlabor221, mhm... A&W is much better. |
| 03:50.20 | learner | yeah, the south is crazy like that |
| 03:50.27 | amathis | dont dis the south.. |
| 03:50.28 | learner | i hear they put sugar in their tea too |
| 03:50.29 | Patlabor221 | A&W is good |
| 03:50.31 | Patlabor221 | I miss them |
| 03:50.37 | lan56 | sugar is always int ea |
| 03:50.37 | amathis | learner, ye p:) |
| 03:50.44 | Patlabor221 | but wood ranch burgers are good |
| 03:50.44 | lan56 | s/t ea/tea |
| 03:50.47 | Patlabor221 | fudrukers |
| 03:51.09 | amathis | learner, we eat neck bones, and milk gravy... and sweet tea :) |
| 03:51.24 | learner | okie dokie |
| 03:51.36 | lan56 | you eat bones? |
| 03:51.39 | Patlabor221 | how many trucks are up on blocks in front of your house? |
| 03:51.43 | amathis | though, I am fond of New England Clam Chowder. |
| 03:51.48 | amathis | Patlabor221, 3. |
| 03:51.53 | learner | Manhattan! |
| 03:51.55 | lan56 | aren't bones a bit tough to eat, especially steak |
| 03:52.00 | amathis | Patlabor221, mine, my moms and my dads. |
| 03:52.14 | amathis | noo.. you boil the neckbones, and suck the marrow out of the middle |
| 03:52.19 | lan56 | ahh |
| 03:52.23 | lan56 | that's sounds better |
| 03:52.36 | amathis | though, you could consider my family rednecks.. |
| 03:53.04 | amathis | they live out in the country, and my uncle has a collection of 257 rifles/shotguns/pistols/and muskets |
| 03:53.26 | learner | talk about opening yourself up the the blunt of too many possible jokes |
| 03:53.36 | amathis | I go hunting all the time, and currently own 2 12 guage shotguns, a winchester 30-30 and a marlin 22 :) |
| 03:53.50 | learner | yes, but can you tie your shoes yet? |
| 03:53.55 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 03:53.57 | amathis | learner, nope :/ |
| 03:54.00 | lan56 | :) |
| 03:54.11 | amathis | :) |
| 03:54.32 | learner | Good, otherwise I would have cried fake ;) |
| 03:54.48 | learner | aua, and pro wrestling was next :) |
| 03:54.55 | amathis | ya know, just because people live out in the country and dont go to college, its not like all of us are products of incest like everyone jokes... |
| 03:55.19 | Patlabor221 | no no all, but how many? |
| 03:55.24 | Patlabor221 | any at all? |
| 03:55.39 | amathis | I have not seen anyone in my life.. |
| 03:55.46 | Patlabor221 | that is a good thing |
| 03:55.48 | amathis | that I know was a product of incest.. |
| 03:55.57 | amathis | though there is everywhere of course.. |
| 03:56.09 | amathis | now.. Arkansas is a different matter all together.. |
| 03:56.11 | learner | amathis, I joke as my family is a bunch of hill billies themselves |
| 03:56.51 | learner | just not southern sweet-tea drinking crazy hill-billies |
| 03:56.57 | amathis | :) |
| 03:56.59 | DTRemenak | three cheers for rednecks! :) |
| 03:57.09 | amathis | and not the crazy yankees either.. |
| 03:57.37 | DTRemenak | my family has been classified that way more than once - may have something to do with the lawn cars :) |
| 03:57.47 | amathis | haha.. |
| 03:58.07 | amathis | ya know you might be a redneck when you mow your yard and you find three cars. |
| 03:58.57 | amathis | see, ya'll dont laugh because your not from around here, but I am not kidding.. I have seen a yard that the grass was taller then the cars in it.. |
| 03:59.45 | Patlabor221 | what is a "yard"? |
| 04:00.05 | amathis | the lawn out front. |
| 04:00.10 | Patlabor221 | the what? |
| 04:00.16 | DTRemenak | amathis: around here, grass doesn't grow that tall, even wild |
| 04:00.25 | amathis | DTRemenak, in the rockies? |
| 04:00.32 | Patlabor221 | grass? |
| 04:00.39 | DTRemenak | amathis: sierras |
| 04:00.42 | amathis | Patlabor221, the patch of grass out front known as a yard, or lawn. |
| 04:00.55 | amathis | DTRemenak, pretty :-D |
| 04:01.01 | Patlabor221 | in the street? |
| 04:01.06 | DTRemenak | amathis: don't be so hard on Patlabor221, he's never seen a lawn :) |
| 04:01.10 | Patlabor221 | dude we call that sidewalk |
| 04:01.15 | amathis | Patlabor221, ... |
| 04:01.29 | DTRemenak | prepare for ... *** culture shock *** |
| 04:01.45 | Megachirops | out here, we call that a field |
| 04:01.49 | amathis | down here, we have half acre lots with the house in the middle.. there is a front and back yard.. |
| 04:01.54 | amathis | in the city that is.. |
| 04:01.56 | Patlabor221 | bet he's one of those states that perpetuate that "rain" myth too |
| 04:02.23 | amathis | Patlabor221, oh yeah... you are one of those 'Arizonians' hows the dust today ^_^ |
| 04:02.45 | Patlabor221 | no I am not |
| 04:02.51 | amathis | your not? |
| 04:02.53 | Patlabor221 | AZ can kiss my ass |
| 04:02.58 | amathis | I thought you where in arizona.. |
| 04:03.01 | Patlabor221 | and it rains a lot in AZ |
| 04:03.07 | DTRemenak | hahaha, that arrogance should tell you where he comes from :) |
| 04:03.09 | Megachirops | That's not very nice, Pat.... |
| 04:03.18 | Patlabor221 | I'm just kidding |
| 04:03.22 | Patlabor221 | my paretns moved there |
| 04:03.24 | amathis | :) |
| 04:03.35 | amathis | oh, that is where I got the idea of arizona.. |
| 04:03.38 | Patlabor221 | but really that state hates me |
| 04:03.40 | amathis | Patlabor221, nevada? |
| 04:03.41 | Megachirops | well, at least you have an excuse... |
| 04:03.43 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 04:03.47 | amathis | Patlabor221, texas? |
| 04:03.52 | Patlabor221 | ohh lord no |
| 04:03.57 | amathis | hmm.. |
| 04:04.01 | DTRemenak | amathis: go west, young man :) |
| 04:04.08 | amathis | Patlabor221, Newmexico... |
| 04:04.14 | amathis | Patlabor221, California. |
| 04:04.14 | Patlabor221 | we get to hang out with hawaii when the world ends |
| 04:04.20 | Patlabor221 | and alaska |
| 04:04.20 | amathis | aha! |
| 04:04.29 | amathis | ya know.. |
| 04:04.40 | Patlabor221 | I know you do |
| 04:04.40 | amathis | are country _really_ could go without CA |
| 04:04.45 | TimRiker | amathis: yes, karma would also be in sql databases. |
| 04:04.46 | amathis | :) |
| 04:04.55 | TimRiker | amathis: you do much php work? |
| 04:04.59 | Patlabor221 | we are the 6th largest finacial power in the world :) |
| 04:05.03 | Megachirops | CA is nice... I love it... Could do without the ppl... |
| 04:05.21 | TimRiker | need to merge the stats and bzfls code in the db module so that it uses one set of tables. |
| 04:05.24 | Patlabor221 | Megachirops: say hi to the gubenator for me |
| 04:05.28 | amathis | TimRiker, :) yes I do... I am coding on http://sourceforge.net/projects/php2press , and I wrote all the php on http://amathis.net .. |
| 04:05.40 | amathis | and various other jobs.. |
| 04:05.54 | DTRemenak | Megachirops: CA would be a wonderful state without the people :) |
| 04:06.07 | Megachirops | DTR, wanna do something about it? ;) |
| 04:06.17 | amathis | TimRiker, that would not be that hard. |
| 04:06.21 | TimRiker | also I worked up a php module that queries bzflag servers. bzfls should call the servers back (it does now) and query player info etc (it does not do this yet) and update the stats whenever a server doess an ADD |
| 04:06.31 | DTRemenak | sure, why not - your nuke or mine? |
| 04:06.45 | Megachirops | both.. we want to do a good job |
| 04:07.17 | amathis | TimRiker, yeah, what about a system where the servers automatically ban the hostmasks off of the 'hall of shame' taht have a certain karma.. |
| 04:07.31 | TimRiker | amathis: one step at a time. ;-) |
| 04:07.32 | amathis | and that would be done with mysql and php. |
| 04:07.38 | amathis | TimRiker, yeah |
| 04:08.16 | amathis | Patlabor221, how is the crime rate in CA :) |
| 04:08.17 | TimRiker | checkout the db module, look it over. notice the tables that bzfls uses vs the tables that the stats code and update.pl use. |
| 04:08.26 | Patlabor221 | what part? |
| 04:08.32 | amathis | statewide |
| 04:08.44 | Patlabor221 | dude, it's the 3rd largest state |
| 04:08.53 | amathis | it seems that you might be the 6th financial power for all the money your citizens have stolen. |
| 04:08.53 | Megachirops | 1st largest in ppl :) |
| 04:09.01 | Megachirops | LOL! |
| 04:09.04 | Patlabor221 | the area I live in is in the top 10 safest places to live in the us |
| 04:09.20 | DTRemenak | amathis: crime rate in this area is really low, as long as you don't count the weed farms and meth labs :) |
| 04:09.25 | TimRiker | need to get them using the same tables. probably for servers we will keep the broken out server flags like the stats code and the merged ascii blob like bzfls does. update both on an ADD. |
| 04:09.26 | amathis | an armed society is a safe society |
| 04:09.28 | Patlabor221 | ahh bitter southerners |
| 04:09.35 | DTRemenak | amathis: amen :) |
| 04:09.41 | amathis | DTRemenak, haha.. I know allabout those meth labs.. we have a LOT of them down here. |
| 04:10.02 | amathis | someone actualyl transported a meth lab in the engine compartment of his truck.. |
| 04:10.08 | Megachirops | Me and DTR are 30 miles from the meth capital of the world :) |
| 04:10.11 | amathis | meth labs usually have combustables.. |
| 04:10.19 | Megachirops | big article in the paper once a year :) |
| 04:10.34 | amathis | where are ya'll? |
| 04:10.48 | Patlabor221 | and the gubinator can kick your gubenators butt! |
| 04:11.00 | Patlabor221 | or at least look good doing it in a movie |
| 04:11.00 | amathis | haha |
| 04:11.12 | DTRemenak | amathis: western sierras, north of sacramento |
| 04:11.13 | amathis | hmm.. |
| 04:11.13 | Megachirops | is Jessee Ventura still gubinator? |
| 04:11.19 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 04:11.25 | amathis | Ahnold |
| 04:11.26 | Megachirops | then I agree :) |
| 04:11.45 | TimRiker | amathis: some bzflag/misc/bzlist.php needs to get copied into bzfls.php and called when the BZFS version matches. need to update the code for newer BZFS versions too. |
| 04:12.22 | amathis | TimRiker, email me with all the file names and exactly what you want done, and I will tackle it tommorrow... webmaster@amathis.net |
| 04:12.23 | Patlabor221 | heh, amathis so it seems I was just preping you earlyer today :) |
| 04:12.37 | amathis | Patlabor221, the words out >_< .... j/k :) |
| 04:12.52 | TimRiker | amathis: ok. emailing... copying the dev list |
| 04:13.43 | Megachirops | Wouldn't it be great if Southern Cali were to suceed from Northern Cali? |
| 04:13.52 | Patlabor221 | if I go crasy will you still call me superman? |
| 04:14.00 | amathis | Megachirops, Pay Per View civil war!!~! |
| 04:14.01 | DTRemenak | Megachirops: and fall off into the ocean? ;) |
| 04:14.01 | Patlabor221 | hey we tried too |
| 04:14.02 | amathis | w00t! |
| 04:14.07 | Patlabor221 | you all didn't want it |
| 04:14.16 | Megachirops | US ALL? |
| 04:14.27 | Megachirops | stupid LA'iens and their stupid water canal... |
| 04:14.34 | DTRemenak | didn't we? http://www.stateofjefferson.org/ |
| 04:14.38 | Megachirops | HAHAHA! |
| 04:14.47 | DTRemenak | m, that would be the wrong url |
| 04:14.51 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 04:14.54 | amathis | btw.. this is _so_ not a racist comment but, living in memphis all my life, and having a 60% black population here, I was shocked to learn that there are more hispanics in the country then blacks. |
| 04:14.59 | Patlabor221 | yeah nice band nocal has :) |
| 04:15.11 | Patlabor221 | it's a big country |
| 04:15.22 | DTRemenak | http://www.jeffersonstate.com/ |
| 04:15.27 | DTRemenak | that's better :) |
| 04:15.29 | amathis | and now all the supermarkets are intergrating with spanish |
| 04:15.32 | amathis | wich is bull. |
| 04:15.42 | amathis | *which |
| 04:15.52 | DTRemenak | amathis: spanish is a much nicer language than english |
| 04:15.56 | Patlabor221 | yeah it is |
| 04:15.57 | Megachirops | white ppl are a minority in the California school system :) |
| 04:15.59 | Patlabor221 | vatto |
| 04:16.12 | Patlabor221 | you learn to get along with others, or you don't get anywhere |
| 04:16.35 | Patlabor221 | 'merica is that thar melting pot |
| 04:16.41 | amathis | DTRemenak, yes, but this is a English speaking country.. if you wanna speak your own language, that is fine, but you need to learn the countries language that you immigrate you. |
| 04:16.49 | amathis | s/you/to |
| 04:17.11 | learner | Chupame el toro si tienes miedo de integrarse |
| 04:17.19 | amathis | I know a _bunch_ of mexicans who dont speak a lick of english |
| 04:17.26 | DTRemenak | amathis: are you opposed to change? maybe the US needs to switch from this ugly, hackish language to one that's better designed, and more elegant. |
| 04:17.27 | Patlabor221 | how many is a bunch? |
| 04:18.03 | amathis | Patlabor221, I prolly see 50 a day taht dont speak english. |
| 04:18.04 | Patlabor221 | and are the from mexico? |
| 04:18.11 | amathis | most of them.. |
| 04:18.14 | learner | amathis, I take it you've never actually lived in another country.. |
| 04:18.16 | Patlabor221 | or other south american coutnrys |
| 04:18.28 | Patlabor221 | he's probably never been outa his state |
| 04:18.31 | Patlabor221 | or evn city |
| 04:18.38 | Megachirops | Let's make a law!!! You must speak at least 10th grade level english (a level set by a committee hereby made by the law) before you can enter the country legally.... then let's lax enforcement of legal immigration because they'll love this idea so much |
| 04:18.43 | amathis | oh, btw I _was_ born in Saudi Arabia :) |
| 04:18.48 | DTRemenak | Patlabor221, no need to be harsh |
| 04:18.50 | amathis | I am Saudi. |
| 04:18.59 | amathis | though, I was adopted at birth |
| 04:19.02 | Patlabor221 | it's just a guess |
| 04:19.19 | DTRemenak | Megachirops: how about we use a better language than english, and kick everyone *out* who doesn't speak it? |
| 04:19.22 | Patlabor221 | how long were you there? |
| 04:19.24 | learner | amathis, you _were_ and now you're not born in Saudi?? |
| 04:19.34 | amathis | learner, you know what I mean. |
| 04:19.37 | Megachirops | DTR, Now you're thinking along my lines :) Shall it be latin? |
| 04:19.39 | amathis | Patlabor221, not very long. |
| 04:19.45 | Patlabor221 | years? |
| 04:19.47 | Patlabor221 | months? |
| 04:19.48 | amathis | no. |
| 04:19.49 | Patlabor221 | days? |
| 04:19.53 | DTRemenak | latin works :) |
| 04:19.57 | amathis | I was adopted at a young age. |
| 04:19.59 | learner | Gaelic! |
| 04:20.07 | DTRemenak | mm, or gaelic :) |
| 04:20.07 | Patlabor221 | eplurbious unanum! |
| 04:20.07 | amathis | I dont know exactly but it was not more then 6 months |
| 04:20.10 | amathis | KLINGON! |
| 04:20.12 | Patlabor221 | acht!!!! |
| 04:20.14 | amathis | w00t! |
| 04:20.19 | Megachirops | When we take over the country, we'll do that |
| 04:20.21 | learner | bless you |
| 04:20.25 | DTRemenak | vulcan :) |
| 04:20.27 | Patlabor221 | you should all speak my native language |
| 04:20.30 | amathis | w00t! |
| 04:20.32 | amathis | KLINGON! |
| 04:20.36 | Patlabor221 | no noot dork |
| 04:20.47 | Patlabor221 | welsh |
| 04:21.01 | Patlabor221 | it's where the souther people came from |
| 04:21.08 | Patlabor221 | and some french |
| 04:21.23 | amathis | most of my 'mathis' family came from scotland |
| 04:21.28 | Patlabor221 | acht! |
| 04:21.32 | learner | In mother russia, the language teaches YOU! |
| 04:21.36 | Patlabor221 | kilts ahoy |
| 04:21.41 | DTRemenak | modern welsh is almost as kludgy as english, best to go farther back to celtic or gaelic |
| 04:21.49 | Patlabor221 | celtic works |
| 04:21.59 | Megachirops | let's go oriental ;) |
| 04:22.04 | amathis | why dont we all learn Faery from Jrr Tolkein? |
| 04:22.11 | DTRemenak | ugg, we don't want it to be impossible Megachirops :) |
| 04:22.23 | Patlabor221 | what is it with you and made up languages amathis ? :) |
| 04:22.35 | learner | heck, most of the planet actually speaks some varient of Chinese or Indian |
| 04:22.40 | amathis | Patlabor221, _all_ languages where at one time made up :) |
| 04:22.49 | *** part/#bzflag kpreid (~kpreid@69-169-139-186.bflony.adelphia.net) |
| 04:22.54 | Patlabor221 | yes, but yours were made up to be made up, never used :) |
| 04:23.09 | amathis | I have some friends who speak it :) |
| 04:23.14 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure you do :) |
| 04:23.21 | amathis | though, I dont think they have ever had a girl friend.. |
| 04:23.21 | learner | that's just wierd |
| 04:23.30 | amathis | my mom speaks klingon fluently. |
| 04:23.41 | Megachirops | I know how to say "success" |
| 04:23.45 | Megachirops | ga |
| 04:23.45 | amathis | she grew up watching star trek. |
| 04:23.51 | Megachirops | don't know how to spell it |
| 04:24.23 | amathis | if you ever see Worf tell him that his mom has a smooth head.. see how long you last. |
| 04:24.42 | Patlabor221 | umm Michael Dorn is an Actor |
| 04:24.44 | Megachirops | News flash: Star Trek is fiction :) |
| 04:24.55 | DTRemenak | Megachirops: nooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 04:24.56 | Patlabor221 | worf isn't real |
| 04:25.02 | amathis | NOO!!! |
| 04:25.06 | amathis | WORF _IS_ REAL! |
| 04:25.08 | amathis | AUGHJ!!!!! |
| 04:25.15 | Megachirops | no.... Q is real |
| 04:25.18 | Megachirops | AKA God |
| 04:25.22 | amathis | :-D |
| 04:25.24 | Megachirops | but they got the details all wrong |
| 04:25.29 | Patlabor221 | why does John DeLance allways play bad guys? |
| 04:25.35 | Megachirops | he's good at it |
| 04:25.43 | Patlabor221 | amathis: I take you you don't meet many actors? |
| 04:25.47 | Patlabor221 | he is very good |
| 04:25.53 | Patlabor221 | but really, SG1, antromeda |
| 04:26.02 | amathis | do you realize that I have never seen a trek con come to memphis? |
| 04:26.06 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure he was in some sorta xfiles |
| 04:26.07 | amathis | eww. |
| 04:26.12 | amathis | andromeda sux0red |
| 04:26.20 | Patlabor221 | it's prety bad |
| 04:26.29 | Patlabor221 | but the backstory is interesting |
| 04:26.38 | Patlabor221 | I see what Mr. Rodenbery was going for |
| 04:26.39 | Megachirops | Gene Roddenbury is needed |
| 04:26.49 | DTRemenak | s/needed/dead |
| 04:26.53 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 04:26.56 | Patlabor221 | that he is |
| 04:27.06 | Patlabor221 | firefly is the one true sf show |
| 04:27.11 | amathis | Patlabor221, Rodenbery was dead when it was made... a classic example of a franchise making crappy shows after you die.. I.E Walt Disney |
| 04:27.13 | Megachirops | next thing I know, you'll be telling me there is no Santa Clause... |
| 04:27.41 | DTRemenak | Santa Claus is dead too |
| 04:27.46 | Patlabor221 | amathis: his wife actualy produced it, and I kinda like that some of his stuff he coudln't get out, did come out |
| 04:28.04 | amathis | it still sucked. :) |
| 04:28.05 | Patlabor221 | if you take andromeda for what it is, it isn't bad, it's not great, but it's entertaiing |
| 04:28.10 | Patlabor221 | in your opinon |
| 04:28.15 | learner | http://www.amerispan.com/travel/Article_Detail.asp?Article_ID=145 |
| 04:28.16 | Patlabor221 | it's on it's 4th season |
| 04:28.24 | learner | like I said.. chinese |
| 04:28.29 | Patlabor221 | so it has to be at least profitable |
| 04:28.53 | Patlabor221 | TV shows are canceled the moment they become unprofitable |
| 04:28.56 | amathis | Patlabor221, yeah, when there is people like you in the world :0O |
| 04:29.02 | amathis | :-P |
| 04:29.07 | amathis | j/k |
| 04:29.14 | Patlabor221 | remember if your 1 in a million, there are 6000 of you |
| 04:29.30 | Megachirops | geez... surprisingly optimistic |
| 04:29.32 | DTRemenak | heh, I've gotta remember that one - I know some folks to use it on :) |
| 04:29.35 | Patlabor221 | I think you just expect it to be trek, and it's not trek |
| 04:29.51 | amathis | your damn right.. trek was the shiznick |
| 04:29.52 | Patlabor221 | but there are definatly better shows |
| 04:30.01 | amathis | and still is. |
| 04:30.08 | learner | Now just to get those other 5999 of me to kick in their share of the coding responsibilities .. sheesh |
| 04:30.08 | Megachirops | blashphemy! |
| 04:30.10 | Patlabor221 | enterpise is a joke |
| 04:30.17 | amathis | cept' for voygur and enterprise |
| 04:30.29 | *** join/#bzflag FredCods (~admin@tuxee.net) |
| 04:30.33 | DTRemenak | enterprise is a *bad* joke |
| 04:30.34 | Patlabor221 | the trek franchise is dead |
| 04:30.39 | amathis | the original TNG and ds9 rock :) |
| 04:30.50 | amathis | Patlabor221, LIES! ALL LIES! COVER YOUR EARS Megachirops! |
| 04:30.51 | Patlabor221 | I'll go as far as season2 in Ds9 |
| 04:31.00 | DTRemenak | amathis: ds9? you're kidding |
| 04:31.05 | Megachirops | Enterprise is a joke? I thought it was a terrorist attack |
| 04:31.09 | Patlabor221 | ( cough ) startreck 5 |
| 04:31.19 | Patlabor221 | tell me what the hell that was? |
| 04:31.27 | amathis | DTRemenak, the first few seasone were cool :) |
| 04:31.36 | amathis | DTRemenak, not the original or TNG of course.. |
| 04:31.37 | DTRemenak | that was The Final Frontier, Patlabor221 |
| 04:31.38 | Megachirops | I thought the last few seasons were cool |
| 04:31.53 | Patlabor221 | and they meet GOD? |
| 04:31.56 | Megachirops | NO! |
| 04:31.58 | amathis | Star Wars sucked.. |
| 04:31.59 | DTRemenak | not in so many words |
| 04:32.00 | Megachirops | grr... lol |
| 04:32.05 | amathis | star wars really sucked.. |
| 04:32.12 | amathis | I hate those movies.. |
| 04:32.15 | DTRemenak | amathis: in what way? |
| 04:32.26 | amathis | well.. |
| 04:32.28 | amathis | I take that back.. |
| 04:32.36 | amathis | the first 3 were cool |
| 04:32.38 | DTRemenak | wouldn't we all have |
| 04:32.48 | Patlabor221 | they had good parts, but georgie needs to stop directing |
| 04:32.49 | amathis | but after that.. it really sucked. |
| 04:32.57 | Megachirops | You didn't think Jar Jar was cute? |
| 04:32.59 | Patlabor221 | amathis: really, wathc firefly |
| 04:33.01 | amathis | haha |
| 04:33.18 | amathis | Patlabor221, when does it come on? |
| 04:33.24 | Patlabor221 | never |
| 04:33.27 | Patlabor221 | its on DVD |
| 04:33.37 | amathis | Patlabor221, haha.. rip me a dvd and I will watch it.. |
| 04:33.45 | amathis | all my money goes elsewhere. |
| 04:33.48 | Patlabor221 | the fox exec in charge of it screwd it up |
| 04:33.54 | Patlabor221 | actualy I want money to go to Joss |
| 04:34.00 | Patlabor221 | he must finish the movie |
| 04:34.14 | Megachirops | You've been raving about FireFly so much today, I'm almost tempted to watch it... |
| 04:34.17 | DTRemenak | I only saw one ep of firefly, wasn't too fond of it |
| 04:34.23 | DTRemenak | Megachirops: they're on J's server |
| 04:34.24 | Patlabor221 | it's really good |
| 04:34.29 | Patlabor221 | yo have to watch them in order |
| 04:34.30 | Megachirops | figgers... |
| 04:34.31 | amathis | Babylon 5 is the shiz too :) |
| 04:34.31 | TimRiker | well, I'm headed to bed. amathis did you get the emails? any questions? |
| 04:34.37 | Patlabor221 | on TV they were done out of order |
| 04:34.39 | amathis | TimRiker, lemme look. |
| 04:34.43 | learner | Wow, I haven't smelled this much nerdness in a while |
| 04:34.50 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 04:34.55 | DTRemenak | learner: it's always there, just hiding |
| 04:35.01 | amathis | learner, GEEK... not nerd |
| 04:35.05 | Patlabor221 | the sad thing is he wants to jump in |
| 04:35.19 | Megachirops | Excuse me? a nerd is a smart geek... |
| 04:35.25 | amathis | no.. |
| 04:35.30 | learner | amathis, I'm not so sure .. i bet many in here LOOK the part too :) |
| 04:35.39 | amathis | haha |
| 04:35.52 | TimRiker | ~lart amathis |
| 04:35.57 | learner | heh |
| 04:36.01 | DTRemenak | ~kamehameha |
| 04:36.04 | Patlabor221 | wow that is prety damned geekey |
| 04:36.25 | Patlabor221 | cus damn did that anime suck |
| 04:36.35 | TimRiker | http://www.fact-index.com/k/ka/kamehameha_wave.html |
| 04:36.39 | DTRemenak | ah, that would explain why I don't know it |
| 04:36.47 | Patlabor221 | it was horible |
| 04:36.57 | Megachirops | Ya, I was refrencing my Clarke and Sheffield materials.. |
| 04:36.59 | amathis | Inuyasha is a _joke_ |
| 04:37.00 | Patlabor221 | dbz is for 12 year olds |
| 04:37.10 | Patlabor221 | who are hooked on sugar |
| 04:37.13 | amathis | Cowboy Beebop is cool :) |
| 04:37.36 | Patlabor221 | inu, probably has a lot of cultural refrences you don't get |
| 04:38.10 | Patlabor221 | watch macross plus |
| 04:38.12 | amathis | Patlabor221, hah.. you know so little about me.. my dad grew up in japan as a army brat.. are whole house is japanese culture |
| 04:38.22 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 04:38.28 | Megachirops | pet peeve!!!!! |
| 04:38.30 | amathis | TimRiker, looks good. |
| 04:38.34 | Megachirops | are >< our |
| 04:38.34 | Patlabor221 | yet it's one of the most popular things there? |
| 04:38.35 | amathis | TimRiker, I will work on it tommorrow.. |
| 04:39.05 | Patlabor221 | and I said "probablY" meaning it's not 100% |
| 04:39.12 | Patlabor221 | nothing is ever 100% |
| 04:39.20 | TimRiker | least not anything in here |
| 04:39.29 | Patlabor221 | anywhere |
| 04:39.49 | amathis | Patlabor221, I am a hippocrit.. I am watching inuyasha right now.. :/ |
| 04:39.52 | Patlabor221 | some things just get "close enough" |
| 04:39.57 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 04:40.07 | amathis | though I am waiting for cowboy bebop |
| 04:40.28 | Patlabor221 | there are only 23 eps and a movie |
| 04:40.30 | Megachirops | Japanese TV shows *refrences self dictionary* are we talking about anime? |
| 04:40.37 | TimRiker | amathis: cool. replies/progress to the -dev list (you should subscribe if you are not already) so other know the status too. |
| 04:40.37 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:40.45 | Patlabor221 | bebop is a good set |
| 04:40.53 | Patlabor221 | but they are from 2000 |
| 04:41.02 | Patlabor221 | so seen them all, many a time |
| 04:41.07 | Patlabor221 | own them all |
| 04:41.07 | amathis | TimRiker, subscribe? to what. where? |
| 04:41.21 | Patlabor221 | on SF amathis |
| 04:41.21 | Patlabor221 | join the dev list |
| 04:41.30 | amathis | ok |
| 04:41.39 | TimRiker | http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=3248 at least the -dev list |
| 04:42.27 | TimRiker | CIA-* posts cvs commits here, so some folks use that instead of the -commits list |
| 04:42.47 | learner | or in addition to ;) |
| 04:43.07 | amathis | so if I add something to cvs it will CIA will pop up? |
| 04:43.16 | Patlabor221 | we are suposed to read the commits list? |
| 04:43.32 | DTRemenak | personally I prefer the cia link in the topic |
| 04:44.16 | amathis | how do I join this -dev list? |
| 04:45.17 | Patlabor221 | that link tim posted for you |
| 04:45.19 | amathis | ah |
| 04:45.19 | amathis | nvm. |
| 04:45.32 | amathis | It did not log me in when I was there.. |
| 04:45.33 | amathis | no wonder. |
| 04:45.40 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: I read commits, it's optional for others. |
| 04:46.27 | learner | TimRiker: yes, but do you understand the engrish? :) |
| 04:47.16 | TimRiker | learner: sometime see to understand writing there. |
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| 04:48.25 | Patlabor221 | wow DTRemenak that is a hack lan posted |
| 04:48.27 | learner | it's taken such restraint to not commit broken code |
| 04:49.19 | DTRemenak | learner: if you commit broken code, there is a chance that someone will fix it :) |
| 04:49.43 | learner | DTRemenak: you tease, you jest, say it ain't true! |
| 04:49.45 | TimRiker | and a chance someone will get annoyed and revoke your cvs access. |
| 04:49.48 | Megachirops | Is this how laws are made in congress? |
| 04:50.11 | DTRemenak | learner: you could branch, if you were concerned about breaking it |
| 04:50.24 | Patlabor221 | hell the thing dosn't even draw now :) |
| 04:50.45 | DTRemenak | I meant branch in CVS, not branch projects, but... |
| 04:51.22 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 04:51.34 | learner | TimRiker: I sometimes have to ponder your humor level ;) |
| 04:52.23 | TimRiker | learner: it were not transparent what meaning I have? |
| 04:53.07 | Patlabor221 | I think that's a quote outa my sterio manual |
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| 04:53.27 | ShadowXAA | hi all |
| 04:53.31 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 04:53.44 | Patlabor221 | how are you? |
| 04:53.54 | ShadowXAA | Fine thanks and you? |
| 04:54.03 | Patlabor221 | A bit gassy, but it'll pass thanks |
| 04:54.08 | ShadowXAA | heh |
| 04:54.16 | ShadowXAA | hows your BZFraggin going? |
| 04:54.21 | Patlabor221 | my what? |
| 04:54.35 | ShadowXAA | BZFlagging |
| 04:54.41 | ShadowXAA | fraggin w/e |
| 04:54.42 | Patlabor221 | my what? |
| 04:54.47 | ShadowXAA | . . . |
| 04:54.51 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 04:54.59 | ShadowXAA | the thingy that this channel is about! |
| 04:55.10 | learner | engrish, man.. we speaking engrish in here! |
| 04:55.11 | Patlabor221 | oh, the coding is going well |
| 04:55.21 | ShadowXAA | oh |
| 04:55.26 | learner | :) |
| 04:55.26 | Patlabor221 | allmost have platform ripped out |
| 04:55.35 | ShadowXAA | lol didnt know you were a dev |
| 04:55.41 | ShadowXAA | thought u were a player |
| 04:55.53 | Patlabor221 | ohh I am a playa, the ladies LOVE me |
| 04:55.55 | learner | Patlabor221 is a "playah" |
| 04:56.02 | ShadowXAA | thanks alot for BZFlag! |
| 04:56.04 | ShadowXAA | . . . |
| 04:56.06 | ShadowXAA | no |
| 04:56.09 | Patlabor221 | I didn't write it |
| 04:56.15 | Patlabor221 | I just break it |
| 04:56.24 | ShadowXAA | ah i dont care |
| 04:57.02 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 04:57.15 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: you're in luck. one more person that does not care if you break things. |
| 04:57.20 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 04:57.36 | learner | TimRiker: Let's just say I try to not test just how transparent the glass casing is .. at least on Tuesdays |
| 04:57.43 | Patlabor221 | learner you think input and events is more of a common thing, or a client application thing? |
| 04:57.44 | learner | it is Tuesday, right? :) |
| 04:57.57 | Patlabor221 | for you |
| 04:58.04 | Patlabor221 | in a bit |
| 04:58.39 | Patlabor221 | ohh wait, server uses common right? |
| 04:58.45 | learner | yes it does |
| 04:58.51 | Patlabor221 | then no input for it |
| 04:59.07 | learner | common and game |
| 04:59.17 | Patlabor221 | guess it's new lib time |
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| 04:59.35 | Patlabor221 | if this works, one can make a 3d app just by using lib3D |
| 04:59.56 | Megachirops | DTR, are we still on some team or something |
| 05:00.05 | DTRemenak | Megachirops: dunno |
| 05:00.11 | Megachirops | cool |
| 05:00.15 | DTRemenak | Megachirops: haven't heard anything further yet |
| 05:00.25 | learner | DTRemenak, you joined BzR, right? |
| 05:00.35 | DTRemenak | umm, no... I don't think... |
| 05:00.50 | learner | :) |
| 05:01.07 | Patlabor221 | what is the spiff up to? |
| 05:01.09 | learner | poor doggies.. all died of scurvey |
| 05:01.24 | TimRiker | I can eat glass and it doesn't hurt me. |
| 05:01.44 | amathis | which was not that long ago.. |
| 05:01.50 | TimRiker | 私はガラスを食べられます。それは私を傷つけません。 |
| 05:01.52 | *** part/#bzflag ShadowXAA (~ShadowX@ip68-101-8-97.nc.hr.cox.net) |
| 05:01.55 | amathis | but I have not liesurley played in a while |
| 05:01.57 | DTRemenak | Megachirops: no, USD |
| 05:02.02 | learner | woo |
| 05:02.19 | DTRemenak | not like I dropped off the team when the Untouchables merged in Megachirops :) |
| 05:02.41 | learner | amathis: getting the leisure suit dry cleaned? |
| 05:02.46 | Megachirops | oh ya.. you were just inactive.. |
| 05:03.05 | DTRemenak | I even played in a match on USD |
| 05:03.14 | amathis | learner, no.. we arent speaking... I found out she had a fling with my overalls. |
| 05:03.23 | DTRemenak | for all of 5 mins :) |
| 05:03.27 | Megachirops | hehe |
| 05:03.38 | TimRiker | it would help to have ./configure detect if atanf and friends are needed and aset a config item. |
| 05:03.39 | learner | TimRiker: yet you won't drink the -OH stuff. hrm.. go figure. |
| 05:03.51 | TimRiker | =) |
| 05:04.08 | learner | TimRiker: I did that a I while back, you reverted it =) |
| 05:04.24 | TimRiker | ฉันกินกระจกได้ แต่มันไม่ทำให้ฉันเจ็บ |
| 05:04.25 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:04.35 | learner | course it was with a bunch of other stuff, I admit :) |
| 05:04.51 | TimRiker | learner: you did? hmm. don't recall that. Was that in the stuff that needed newer autoconf? |
| 05:04.59 | learner | that it was |
| 05:05.12 | TimRiker | ah. well that'll learn ya. |
| 05:05.18 | learner | well, never than 2.13 |
| 05:06.08 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (TODO include/common.h): ws |
| 05:06.45 | learner | the basic check is for stdint type and AC_CHECK_LIB, which don't behave in 2.13 |
| 05:07.48 | learner | so it's either write some custom compile step that does the test (ugh) or use AC_CHECK_LIB like we're told we should ;) |
| 05:08.45 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/TODO: configure should test and enable the fudged acosf atanf asinf |
| 05:09.07 | learner | just about everything in common.h can be tested for |
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| 05:11.13 | aliasnexus0_OSX | hola everyone |
| 05:11.27 | DTRemenak | hi aliasnexus0_OSX |
| 05:11.52 | aliasnexus0_OSX | ne 1 here sync up their ipod with ical |
| 05:11.53 | aliasnexus0_OSX | ? |
| 05:13.13 | aliasnexus0_OSX | hehe, just thought i'd ask the other chan im in is goofing around flooding stuff |
| 05:13.21 | JBdiGriz | aliasnexus0_OSX: yes, but this is the wrong place for it |
| 05:13.29 | aliasnexus0_OSX | sry, don't worry about it then |
| 05:13.58 | TimRiker | aliasnexus0_OSX: played bzflag on osx yet? |
| 05:14.13 | aliasnexus0_OSX | yup |
| 05:14.18 | learner | I haven't, is it good? |
| 05:14.28 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:14.34 | aliasnexus0_OSX | yeah its nice looking, downloaded the high res though for windows, much nicer of course |
| 05:14.59 | aliasnexus0_OSX | its prefeclty playable for me |
| 05:15.22 | TimRiker | aliasnexus0_OSX: you can copy the image files over to osx and make em look the same |
| 05:15.24 | learner | aliasnexus0_OSX, you can copy the alternate data directory into the BZ on the Mac and it'll look the same |
| 05:15.30 | learner | heh |
| 05:15.45 | JBdiGriz | There's an echo in here |
| 05:15.52 | DTRemenak | There's an echo in here |
| 05:16.19 | aliasnexus0_OSX | oh |
| 05:16.21 | aliasnexus0_OSX | neat |
| 05:16.24 | aliasnexus0_OSX | i'll try that out |
| 05:18.35 | learner | aliasnexus0_OSX, if you control-click the BZFlag icon, you'll see a menu -- select "Show Package Contents". Copy the "alternate" directory into the Contents/Resources/ folder. |
| 05:18.59 | learner | start up bz, and you should see the new graphics |
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| 05:22.15 | aliasnexus0_OSX | learner, yeah i know, but thanks =) |
| 05:23.00 | aliasnexus0_OSX | oh i didn't know about the alternate directory, but i knew about the right click package thing, so thanks =) |
| 05:23.29 | aliasnexus0_OSX | sry about asking the mac question in here, just wanted to see if i could get a quick response |
| 05:24.14 | TimRiker | aliasnexus0_OSX: and you did, but not for the question you asked. ;-/ |
| 05:25.56 | aliasnexus0_OSX | hehe |
| 05:28.43 | aliasnexus0_OSX | how old is your comp? |
| 05:29.42 | learner | TimRiker needs a shiny dual G5 |
| 05:36.49 | aliasnexus0_OSX | oh |
| 05:36.55 | aliasnexus0_OSX | your only comp? |
| 05:38.17 | aliasnexus0_OSX | well i gots to hit the sack, gotta get up early, night all, sry about earlier |
| 05:50.44 | TimRiker | nite all |
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| 07:07.33 | amathis | learner, ping |
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| 07:31.45 | guu | New news from matches: Aug 03 07:14 => The Atypical Antipsychotics [TAA]:8, {GU.de} AKA gamesunited.de:3 |
| 07:32.00 | learner | amathis: pong |
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| 08:24.39 | bomber | moin |
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| 08:35.25 | lan56 | moin |
| 08:45.46 | trepan_away | http://members.rogers.com/trepan/atlantis_occluded.png |
| 08:46.51 | trepan | ack, ww, not ready yet ;) |
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| 10:09.23 | lan56 | hmm, 52 devs |
| 10:09.31 | lan56 | who's the new kid on the block? |
| 10:10.21 | lan56 | I can't seem to find a name I don't know already on the list |
| 10:12.27 | zongo-out | wizart maybe? |
| 10:13.13 | lan56 | I don't see a wizart on the list |
| 10:14.09 | zongo-out | hum maybe i didnt get well what u were talkin about ;) |
| 10:14.09 | lan56 | I like meeting new people and learning about new positive changes, as for why I am asking |
| 10:14.25 | lan56 | sf.net bzflag project site |
| 10:14.32 | zongo-out | oki |
| 10:14.41 | lan56 | it had 51 people listed as devs as of a few days ago |
| 10:14.45 | lan56 | now it has 52 |
| 10:14.58 | zongo-out | now i got it :) thx |
| 10:15.03 | lan56 | :) |
| 10:15.38 | lan56 | this is big, I oughta buy this guy a drink |
| 10:16.38 | wizart | ? |
| 10:17.14 | lan56 | well, it is exciting to learn about a new person |
| 10:17.25 | wizart | hello lan. |
| 10:17.31 | lan56 | hi wizart |
| 10:17.50 | wizart | I'm using the nick wizard on bzflag. But it's taken here in irc. |
| 10:17.59 | lan56 | are you the new dev for bzflag? |
| 10:18.40 | wizart | no. That's not me. |
| 10:18.48 | lan56 | oh :( |
| 10:18.49 | zongo-out | i think he is new in this forum dats all :) its my bad lol |
| 10:19.51 | lan56 | it's like having two dogs for a few years, then getting a third--it's exciting and fascinating to see some new stuff |
| 10:19.57 | wizart | I'm just hanging out here to see what this forum is about. It was mentioned somewhere that it's used to arrange ctf league games. |
| 10:20.12 | lan56 | ahh, you may want to see #bzleague for that |
| 10:20.16 | wizart | But the main purpose seams to be bzflag development |
| 10:20.28 | wizart | oh. good idea. thx |
| 10:20.29 | lan56 | but yes, I'd agree this place is about bzflag development and bzflag in general |
| 10:21.09 | Tupone | pyrobunny101 |
| 10:21.39 | lan56 | ahh I see his name |
| 10:22.03 | lan56 | hmm package |
| 10:23.06 | Tupone | seems to me that Tim gives him some work to do with list server |
| 10:23.46 | Tupone | if you had registered with mail-list ... |
| 10:24.12 | lan56 | I joined commits |
| 10:24.25 | lan56 | karma system help? |
| 10:24.30 | Tupone | that is another list, I suppose dev |
| 10:24.40 | Tupone | dunno the details |
| 10:24.56 | lan56 | hmm, well, exciting anyway |
| 10:30.00 | trepan | hmm, is it pyrobunny then? |
| 10:30.48 | trepan | mornin' Tupone |
| 10:32.06 | Tupone | mornig trepan |
| 10:33.09 | trepan | 6:33am, just got back from a jog ;) |
| 10:33.44 | lan56 | is it still dark there? |
| 10:34.01 | trepan | nope, sun just showed up |
| 10:34.36 | trepan | nice thing about jogs is... by the time you get back, your brain has already fixed a couple of nasty bugs |
| 10:34.52 | lan56 | like what? |
| 10:36.02 | trepan | visual culling stuff, my octree and occluders were causing odd culls |
| 10:36.11 | trepan | all better now, it looks neat =) |
| 10:36.59 | lan56 | oh, you mean in coding, I thought you meant something was wrong with your brain :) |
| 10:37.19 | lan56 | well, you are mentally disturbed, but I thought you meant this got fixed ;) |
| 10:37.52 | trepan | all kinds of stuff wrong with my brain, it's best to just accept it |
| 10:38.02 | lan56 | :) |
| 10:39.09 | trepan | time to visit the lovely ladies at starbucks, ciao |
| 10:39.43 | lan56 | trepan sounds like one lucky man today |
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| 10:46.12 | wolfman8k | what's that other channel for the next generation bzflag? |
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| 10:52.22 | wolfman8k | hm... it was #project24, but it seems to be dead |
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| 11:55.30 | zongo-out | why if i am registered on a server when i type Server Command Key the first thing that appears is the Kick command??? |
| 11:55.50 | zongo-out | usually its /lagstats... |
| 11:56.00 | zongo-out | i mean if i am not registered |
| 11:57.13 | zongo-out | i kicked a player instead of checkin lag ;) |
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| 13:16.35 | SportChick | bye everyone! see you when we get to berkeley |
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| 13:27.02 | wolfman8k | anyone know what's up with Patlabor221? |
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| 13:57.36 | CIA-7 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Goodness! How did those pollAction values disappear?! Thx, simon-richard. |
| 14:06.27 | brlcad | wolfman8k: "up" with him? |
| 14:07.50 | wolfman8k | you know something? |
| 14:33.15 | guu | New news from matches: Aug 03 14:24 => Fortix:6, Vitamin bz:1 |
| 14:33.51 | brlcad | wolfman8k: I know lots of things, except what exactly your question is supposed to mean. |
| 14:34.12 | brlcad | wolfman8k: What's your question? |
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| 14:47.02 | wolfman8k | brlcad: how about i start with, is he still alive? |
| 14:55.48 | orange | if I may suggest, it might be helpful to say something like "hey, I've noticed that patlabor221 is ______________, does anyone know why that is?" |
| 14:57.29 | orange | where ______________ might be: "not around anymore" "especially grumpy with me" "purple with green spots" "tired a lot" "writing a lot of code" etc. |
| 15:00.20 | wolfman8k | hey, i've noticed that Patlabor221 is potentially dead, does anyone know if he really is? |
| 15:01.22 | orange | very nice :-) |
| 15:01.46 | orange | was this based on observation of his corpse, or extrapolation of absence in irc? |
| 15:02.18 | Nidhoggr | ~seen patlabor221 |
| 15:02.19 | ibot | patlabor221 <~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 10h 1m 12s ago, saying: 'what is the spiff up to?'. |
| 15:02.59 | wolfman8k | apparently my gut was wrong |
| 15:06.57 | Noodleman_ | moo |
| 15:07.24 | Nidhoggr | hiya Noodleman |
| 15:08.11 | Noodleman_ | i really should wake up earlier so i can have breakfast :-P |
| 15:09.52 | Nidhoggr | that's a good idea. |
| 15:09.53 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:10.27 | Nidhoggr | I really should skip breakfast so I can sleep in an extra half hour. ;) |
| 15:10.29 | Nidhoggr | j/k |
| 15:14.19 | Noodleman_ | hehe |
| 15:14.36 | Noodleman_ | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/6950/ |
| 15:14.45 | Noodleman_ | this is quite cool |
| 15:18.45 | Nidhoggr | hrm. that is kinda cool. |
| 15:19.51 | Nidhoggr | I'm still trying to find a good source for the little disk guns. |
| 15:20.05 | Noodleman_ | hehe |
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| 15:21.46 | Nidhoggr | good morning, Patlabor221 |
| 15:21.48 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:21.50 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 15:21.52 | Chestal | he's alive! |
| 15:21.57 | Nidhoggr | hahahahaha. |
| 15:22.03 | Patlabor221 | it should not take me 9 min to get to work |
| 15:22.38 | wolfman8k | Patlabor221: ! |
| 15:22.58 | Noodleman_ | takes me 5 minutes when i'm not sleepy |
| 15:23.09 | Patlabor221 | I live 200 meters away |
| 15:23.14 | Noodleman_ | haha |
| 15:24.00 | wolfman8k | Patlabor221: what happened to project24? |
| 15:24.03 | Nidhoggr | why, oh why, did it take you 9 minutes to go 200 meters? |
| 15:24.07 | Patlabor221 | it exploded |
| 15:24.18 | Nidhoggr | narcolepsy? |
| 15:24.22 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:24.32 | Nidhoggr | a quick 8 minute nap? |
| 15:24.33 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:24.34 | Patlabor221 | Nidhoggr, cus of trafic, I was unable to make the required left turn across 4 lanes of trafic |
| 15:24.42 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 15:24.44 | Nidhoggr | icky |
| 15:24.45 | Patlabor221 | so I had to go the long way |
| 15:24.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 15:24.56 | Noodleman_ | you shoulda flapped your arms and flew over |
| 15:25.01 | scanline | mornin Patlabor221 |
| 15:25.02 | wolfman8k | Patlabor221: do you remember fiberchunks? |
| 15:25.09 | Patlabor221 | I live right down the main road from work, but not off a street with the light |
| 15:25.15 | Patlabor221 | wolfman8k, yes I do |
| 15:25.17 | Patlabor221 | he's moving |
| 15:25.23 | wolfman8k | :O |
| 15:25.39 | wolfman8k | so he's alive? |
| 15:25.43 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 15:25.50 | Patlabor221 | just not here often |
| 15:26.08 | Patlabor221 | he's planing a career change and moving to a difrent state |
| 15:27.40 | Patlabor221 | wolfman8k, basicly #project24 is now #opencombat |
| 15:28.27 | evilbob | morning. |
| 15:30.51 | evilbob | sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but... |
| 15:30.55 | evilbob | turning off gm smoke trails did not help the secretplace "gm lag" problem one bit. though i have noted that it's not just gm, i specifically saw someone else's gm go into slo-mo on radar several times last night. i eventually got lagkicked. |
| 15:33.27 | Noodleman_ | gm's would look so cool in the matrix |
| 15:36.15 | Patlabor221 | wierd |
| 15:38.05 | Noodleman_ | w00, codeweavers is adding support for itunes in crossover office |
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| 15:55.25 | Patlabor221 | evilbob, do your fps drop when you lag or just your stats? |
| 15:57.13 | evilbob | fps doesn't drop appreciably... i mean, it varies a bit depending on what's going on, but what happens is fps stays up in the 100fps range but suddenly i have anywhere from 240 to 800 ms lag as reported by lagstats |
| 15:57.34 | Patlabor221 | then it's gotta be net |
| 15:57.36 | evilbob | and note that the slomo gm on radar happens in spite of the frame rate still being way up |
| 15:57.49 | Patlabor221 | something is jacking with the net updates |
| 15:58.20 | evilbob | i agree |
| 15:58.44 | Patlabor221 | that is sadly not my area of expertise |
| 15:59.08 | evilbob | this started happening relatively recently, but since it's a subtle effect, i don't know exactly when. |
| 15:59.32 | Patlabor221 | be intersting to see if it also happens in 1.11 |
| 15:59.40 | Patlabor221 | as net has been changed in that somewhat |
| 15:59.47 | evilbob | on SP one tends to notice getting dead more often than radar anomalies. |
| 16:02.30 | evilbob | we'd have to coordinate a good sized group. i haven't seen it happen with less than 8 or so people on the server, and they have to be good enough to know how to wield a gm with some degree of skill. |
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| 16:03.08 | evilbob | i rebuilt 1.11 from cvs yesterday afternoon. bring 'em on i say . :) |
| 16:03.36 | Noodleman | "90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at." |
| 16:03.40 | Noodleman | haha |
| 16:03.42 | Noodleman | how true |
| 16:04.00 | Patlabor221 | what kind of connection are you on? |
| 16:04.23 | Noodleman | sean bumped the powerswitch on the router :-P |
| 16:04.42 | evilbob | dsl 768/768 |
| 16:04.50 | Patlabor221 | that should be plenty |
| 16:04.54 | evilbob | yes |
| 16:09.17 | Nidhoggr | I'm looking forward to when we can start testing 1.11 more seriously. |
| 16:09.36 | Patlabor221 | wonder if there is any way to get packet logs when it happens |
| 16:09.39 | Nidhoggr | so we can get folks back on the razzberry world map.:) |
| 16:09.45 | Patlabor221 | see if your geting a spike of packets, or sending a lot. |
| 16:10.17 | Patlabor221 | the octree will p0wnz0r |
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| 16:30.38 | brlcad | Noodleman: I did not |
| 16:30.46 | Noodleman | haha |
| 16:30.52 | Noodleman | didn't mean you |
| 16:30.58 | brlcad | ;) |
| 16:31.30 | brlcad | I don't bump anything .. I may intentionally yoink a cable or two, but no bumping (unless she's cute) |
| 16:31.39 | Noodleman | heh |
| 16:43.09 | evilbob | packet logs may be interesting... fully switched network at home. that's probably key to figuring it out, though. |
| 16:45.15 | Patlabor221 | ether your geting a LOT of packets, or something is going into some sorta loop that's taking a lot of time |
| 16:45.48 | Nidhoggr | is there anything akin to strace for windows? |
| 16:46.55 | brlcad | undoubtedly |
| 16:47.26 | Patlabor221 | I use a thing called "show trafic" |
| 16:47.32 | Patlabor221 | that can just show trafic spikes |
| 16:47.36 | Patlabor221 | works well |
| 16:47.45 | brlcad | slew of tcpdump-based apps |
| 16:48.02 | Nidhoggr | I was talking about debugging in the code to see where it was pausing/hanging. |
| 16:48.14 | Nidhoggr | although network stuff would at least tell if that was the issue. |
| 16:48.20 | Patlabor221 | you mean a debuger? |
| 16:48.26 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:48.29 | Patlabor221 | vc has one built in man :) |
| 16:48.43 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:48.46 | Patlabor221 | just hit F9 on the line you want to break on, then hit F5 |
| 16:48.58 | Patlabor221 | F10 to step over, F11 to step in |
| 16:49.29 | Nidhoggr | well, strace just traces the stuff as it's happening, rather than becoming interactive. |
| 16:49.36 | brlcad | strace would be more akin to a profile run |
| 16:49.43 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 16:49.45 | Patlabor221 | truetime |
| 16:49.53 | Patlabor221 | or the numega suite |
| 16:55.01 | Noodleman | windows programming is EEEEVIL! |
| 16:56.09 | brlcad | yay, hurricane alex |
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| 17:04.28 | meno[work] | *tap* *tap* Is this thing on ? |
| 17:05.06 | Megachirops | Does IBM still own the lisence to OS/2? |
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| 17:05.49 | Noodleman | i think so |
| 17:05.59 | Noodleman | i wouldn't think anyone else would want it |
| 17:06.00 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 17:06.07 | Megachirops | So, it would be illegal for me to copy and distribute it? |
| 17:06.10 | Megachirops | heh, no kidding |
| 17:06.19 | Noodleman | technically, yes |
| 17:06.24 | Noodleman | logically, nobody will care |
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