| 06:06.36 | *** join/#bzflag ibot (ibot@c-24-1-99-18.client.comcast.net) |
| 06:06.36 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/16/0119206 || v1.10.4 jitters |
| 06:06.36 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 06:08.54 | MrApathyCream | yay for ibot |
| 06:17.36 | Pimpinella | MrApathyCream: lonley ? |
| 06:18.07 | Patlabor221 | MAC, I can do the GM model replacement in 1.10.x but it will take some time |
| 06:18.19 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 06:18.19 | Patlabor221 | or at least a couple hours when I can think |
| 06:18.23 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 06:19.01 | Patlabor221 | pressure on frontal lobes now, not make for good codeulating |
| 06:19.48 | Patlabor221 | plus we need to see how much of those commits our boyo there keeps |
| 06:21.46 | MrApathyCream | anyone care to run the BZ sourcecode thru this:? |
| 06:21.48 | MrApathyCream | http://www.objectmentor.com/resources/downloads/bin/depend.zip |
| 06:22.19 | Patlabor221 | what does it do? |
| 06:24.41 | MrApathyCream | builds dependency diagrams between code modules |
| 06:24.50 | MrApathyCream | should be a very 'full' picture |
| 06:25.32 | Patlabor221 | fun |
| 06:29.37 | Patlabor221 | well I'm off to sleep |
| 06:29.38 | Patlabor221 | have fun |
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| 06:37.40 | SportChick | Is chestal here? |
| 06:38.05 | Pimpinella | do u have him in the list? |
| 06:38.15 | SportChick | yes, but seems idle |
| 06:38.47 | SportChick | hmph...anyone know whether ducati is fixed? i still can't get in |
| 06:39.03 | Pimpinella | mom |
| 06:39.37 | Pimpinella | i can |
| 06:40.24 | MrApathyCream | he is sleeping |
| 06:40.46 | Pimpinella | should think so :) |
| 06:40.55 | MrApathyCream | check back around 3:30 |
| 06:41.00 | Pimpinella | or might go to work |
| 06:41.01 | MrApathyCream | (est) of course |
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| 06:46.09 | SportChick | Ihaven't been able to get in for 2 days |
| 06:46.30 | SportChick | learner said it was messed up yesterday, but I still can't get in. Thought Chestal said it was fixed earlier, but not sure |
| 06:46.56 | SportChick | Pimpinella: did you say you CAN get in? that's weird |
| 06:47.23 | MrApathyCream | get in where? |
| 06:47.33 | SportChick | the ducati servers |
| 06:47.59 | MrApathyCream | mmm |
| 06:49.13 | MrApathyCream | i can get on his rabbit one |
| 06:49.38 | SportChick | I can't get on either listing in "find server"... |
| 06:49.42 | SportChick | what are you running? |
| 06:49.49 | SportChick | I'm on 1.10.2, w32 |
| 06:49.56 | MrApathyCream | both, actually |
| 06:49.59 | MrApathyCream | 1.10.3 w32 |
| 06:50.11 | SportChick | there's a 1.10.3 out somewhere? |
| 06:50.17 | SportChick | grrrrrr I HATE being out of date |
| 06:50.21 | MrApathyCream | a dev build at least |
| 06:50.27 | MrApathyCream | the latest release is 1.10.2 |
| 06:50.39 | SportChick | wonder why I can't get on |
| 06:50.44 | SportChick | happened yesterday too |
| 06:50.53 | SportChick | and day before, I think...friday..yeah |
| 06:51.27 | MrApathyCream | you can get 1.10.3 at http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/1.10.3/bzflag1.10.3.exe |
| 06:51.34 | SportChick | cool..thanks |
| 06:52.23 | SportChick | think that'll make the difference? |
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| 07:22.59 | MrApathyCream | work? |
| 07:23.06 | SportChick | no |
| 07:23.11 | MrApathyCream | can't connect? |
| 07:23.20 | SportChick | yes, that's what it says |
| 07:23.46 | MrApathyCream | hmm odd |
| 07:24.04 | SportChick | i agree |
| 07:24.56 | SportChick | it;s getting too late to fiddle with it more tonight, though |
| 07:26.37 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
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| 07:27.41 | MrApathyCream | anyone for testing on brlcad:14246? |
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| 07:36.59 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/BUGS: doc bug? |
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| 09:03.01 | bomber | moin |
| 10:53.53 | Pimpinella | Chestal: ich kann auf ducati 5156 z.T. durch Pyramiden schießen und zwar so reproduzierbar, daß das wohl nichts mit Paketverlust zu tun hat |
| 11:11.18 | Pimpinella | bei mir gehts auch, aber nur bei einigen (bevorzugt kleineren) Pyramiden leicht schräg auf kurze bis mittlere Entfernung |
| 11:49.41 | rooter | ~d |
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| 12:30.44 | bomber | pimp: do you see it on radar or on screen ? |
| 12:30.53 | bomber | ~d |
| 12:54.52 | Chestal | Pimpinella: oh, hmm |
| 12:57.00 | learner | Looks like good ol' Timmy is back |
| 12:57.19 | learner | ibot: botsnack |
| 12:57.19 | | learner: :) |
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| 13:49.04 | Pimpinella | bomber: both |
| 13:54.52 | david_v | Chestal: 5156 is up with four bases |
| 14:01.39 | david_v | Chestal: BTW, 59998 too |
| 14:15.15 | Chestal | hmm |
| 14:15.21 | Chestal | MAC's fault :-) |
| 14:15.32 | Chestal | just started up the new version |
| 14:16.02 | david_v | hehe |
| 14:16.02 | david_v | ok :) |
| 14:23.32 | Pimpinella | david_v: sleeping? |
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| 14:43.19 | david_v | Pimpinella: hehe no? |
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| 15:20.59 | bryjen | ~seen ibot |
| 15:21.04 | | ibot is currently on #picogui (8h 53m 56s) #zaurus (8h 53m 56s) #teleconf (8h 53m 56s) #opie (8h 53m 56s) #tomcat (8h 53m 56s) #familiar (8h 53m 56s) #uclibc (8h 53m 56s) #intimate (8h 53m 56s) #gllug (8h 53m 56s) #gpe (8h 53m 56s) #elinux (8h 53m 56s) #openembedded (8h 53m 56s) #handhelds.org (8h 53m 56s) #utah (8h 53m 56s) #project24 (8h 53m 56s) #bzflag (8h 53m 56s) #openzaurus (8h 53m 56s) |
| 15:21.29 | bryjen | ~seen TimRiker |
| 15:21.29 | | timriker <~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 4d 16h 5m 22s ago, saying: 'learner: ok. not today though. I'll holler next week'. |
| 15:22.19 | bryjen | the bot returns, but still no Riker |
| 15:22.41 | ninjer_proton | he was here last night |
| 15:22.43 | ninjer_proton | just silent |
| 15:23.17 | bryjen | 8 hours ago? |
| 15:23.38 | ninjer_proton | something like that |
| 15:23.55 | bryjen | I'm usually quiet at 1am. except maybe some snoring. |
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| 15:49.34 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ninjer_proton] by tolkien.freenode.net |
| 15:49.34 | *** mode/#bzflag [+bbb *cell*!*@* *gorb*!*@* *!*@68.111.116.228] by leguin.freenode.net |
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| 16:05.00 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 16:05.20 | Nidhoggr | good morning, Tim. |
| 16:05.23 | bryjen | hmm. when you first join a CTF game, you're supposed to pop in on you base, correct? |
| 16:07.27 | david_v | certainly bryjen |
| 16:08.04 | bryjen | joining red or green on xmission seems to pop in consistently off to the right (when facing center from the base) of their base. purple and blue seems to work.... |
| 16:08.25 | david_v | hmm |
| 16:08.25 | bryjen | off to the right and around base hieght -- in air. |
| 16:08.56 | david_v | a bit up in the air is one thing, that's how it is right now, but off the base is weird |
| 16:10.53 | bryjen | the height looks like it might be about right for the base Z, but your half way from the base toward the corner of the map for X,Y |
| 16:11.50 | bryjen | actually, it may just be the Y coord thats off |
| 16:18.42 | bryjen | capturing red's flag restarts them over there too |
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| 16:27.56 | Grumbler | v1.10.4 jitters ??? |
| 16:28.40 | Nidhoggr | ? |
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| 16:33.06 | Grumbler | in the topic |
| 16:33.41 | Nidhoggr | maybe everyone is jittery about getting 1.10.4 out the door. :) |
| 16:36.06 | Grumbler | or maybe with every addition there is a subtraction of the previous addition developing a sort of cyclic process bringing about a sense of unease and dismay further enhanced by recent citings of martians at starbucks :) |
| 16:36.39 | bryjen | uh, yeah, whatever you say.... |
| 16:36.47 | bryjen | ;) |
| 16:37.09 | Grumbler | backing away is good, they cant read your mind that way :)) |
| 16:38.28 | Noodleman | is it released yet? |
| 16:38.49 | bryjen | i hope not, i think ive found a ctf bug |
| 16:38.57 | Noodleman | ack |
| 16:39.42 | Chestal | ää |
| 16:39.43 | Chestal | oppsa |
| 16:39.56 | Chestal | there seem to be some bugs related to the base change |
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| 16:43.42 | david_v | bomber: hoy. do you think you'd be able to find a teammate and play a match? |
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| 16:44.49 | Nidhoggr | morning mozul |
| 16:45.13 | mozul | Morning |
| 16:45.40 | mozul | btw I got bzadmin to compile under Dev-C++ next is the link step |
| 16:46.45 | Nidhoggr | cook |
| 16:46.46 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 16:46.47 | Nidhoggr | even |
| 16:46.48 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:46.51 | Nidhoggr | !nidhoggr |
| 16:46.54 | Nidhoggr | oops |
| 16:46.56 | Nidhoggr | ~nidhoggr |
| 16:46.57 | | extra, extra, read all about it, nidhoggr is a master of Typo Fu |
| 16:49.00 | bryjen | wheee! worked on the first try! |
| 16:49.13 | Nidhoggr | yay! |
| 16:49.13 | Nidhoggr | :) |
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| 17:10.40 | bomber | david: i think ...no :o( |
| 17:21.25 | david_v | bomber: no worries :) i am just trying to keep the Fortix steam up |
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| 17:56.14 | Nidhoggr | wow. anyone else using OSX 10.3? |
| 17:56.33 | Nidhoggr | I found some new keystrokes that are really cool. :) |
| 17:56.37 | Nidhoggr | by accident. |
| 17:56.42 | Nidhoggr | I thought I broke something. |
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| 17:58.14 | whatah | is there a way of searching the bzflag forums? |
| 17:58.22 | whatah | i want to enable my joystick |
| 17:58.54 | GuidedMonkey | pretty sure there's a search button at the top |
| 17:59.01 | whatah | nope |
| 17:59.05 | whatah | but then again, i am not logged in |
| 17:59.22 | Nidhoggr | which forums? bzbb or sourceforge? |
| 17:59.27 | whatah | bzbb |
| 17:59.36 | Nidhoggr | ah.. let me look. (it runs on my server) |
| 17:59.37 | GuidedMonkey | that's the ticket. GOtta be logged in to see the search button |
| 17:59.43 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 17:59.45 | whatah | well |
| 17:59.53 | whatah | how would i use my gamepad in bzflag? |
| 18:00.08 | whatah | linux style |
| 18:02.28 | whatah | humm, one guy says to get it recognized in X |
| 18:03.22 | GuidedMonkey | that's a given, otherwise bzflag it wouldn't be able to send X events to bzflag |
| 18:03.31 | whatah | i see |
| 18:03.40 | whatah | i thought it just read from /dev/js0 |
| 18:03.47 | whatah | like some other apps do |
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| 18:04.21 | GuidedMonkey | It could, but I'd be surprised |
| 18:04.35 | whatah | what's an X joystick line look like? |
| 18:04.43 | whatah | by joystick, i mean gamepad |
| 18:04.48 | Patlabor221 | it's USB |
| 18:04.51 | whatah | yes |
| 18:05.02 | Patlabor221 | oh sorry thought you said Xbox :) |
| 18:05.12 | bryjen | X window |
| 18:06.39 | whatah | ok, i am restarting X |
| 18:06.42 | whatah | will see what happens |
| 18:07.01 | GuidedMonkey | which pad? |
| 18:07.02 | GuidedMonkey | doh |
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| 18:16.56 | whatah | ok, i tried adding the lines to my XF86Config that i thought would work |
| 18:17.47 | whatah | i looked in the drivers/input/ of X, and the most likely candidate for a joystick driver was 'js_x" so i have Driver "js_x" Option "Deice" "/dev/js0" and Option "SendCoreEvents" |
| 18:18.31 | whatah | i start X up and the first time i press the directional pad on the gamepad, the cursor jumps to the top left of the screen, but xev doesn't recognize the gamepad still |
| 18:18.51 | Nidhoggr | you might try asking in #xfree86. we aren't huge x-heads in here. |
| 18:19.02 | whatah | oh |
| 18:19.05 | whatah | really? |
| 18:19.13 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:19.18 | whatah | hummm |
| 18:19.27 | whatah | but you are still linuxers, right? |
| 18:19.36 | Nidhoggr | I use shell on linux. |
| 18:19.43 | whatah | that's all |
| 18:19.44 | whatah | ? |
| 18:19.45 | Nidhoggr | I don't use joystick on my server. |
| 18:20.18 | bryjen | Ive never tried to use a joystick via X. |
| 18:20.33 | Nidhoggr | some people in here can help a little, but we aren't experts on X |
| 18:20.55 | Nidhoggr | #xfree86 is probably a good bet though... if you can get people to unidle. |
| 18:21.05 | bryjen | only even tried one in linux at all with one or two games. they must've accessed it directly. |
| 18:22.09 | whatah | bryjen: yeah, they do |
| 18:22.13 | whatah | bryjen: that's the smart way to do it |
| 18:23.06 | whatah | i am thinking that i saw a daemon to translate joystick events into mouse ones, but where's the fun in a 10 button, 2 axis gamepad mapped to a mouse? |
| 18:23.40 | Patlabor221 | Tim what 3dfx card do you have? |
| 18:25.31 | bryjen | mice can have multiple buttons. three axis as well. |
| 18:25.48 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 18:25.58 | Patlabor221 | but it's not a voddoo 1 or 2? |
| 18:26.03 | Patlabor221 | not the 3d only board? |
| 18:26.26 | Patlabor221 | to me 3+ is the "newer" 3dfx cards |
| 18:26.38 | Patlabor221 | what the special code in BZ is for the 3d only cards |
| 18:26.39 | TimRiker | it's the only card in the machine. no pass through. (well, there is an onboard card but it's disabled) |
| 18:26.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah then it has a full ICD and can handle normal GL |
| 18:27.09 | Patlabor221 | it was the passthru ones that needed the special calls in BZ |
| 18:27.28 | Patlabor221 | moslty it has to do with how the context is initalised and how some textures are loaded |
| 18:27.32 | TimRiker | k. perhaps I don't have any old cards then. it's old, but not that old... ;-) |
| 18:27.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:27.49 | TimRiker | I think I have 2 different systems with voodoo 3 cards in them actually. |
| 18:28.12 | Patlabor221 | voodoo3 was the first "real" 3dfx card in my opinion :) |
| 18:28.20 | TimRiker | ifdef the code out and see if anyone gripes on 1.10.4 release. |
| 18:28.48 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 18:29.01 | Patlabor221 | actualy I think it has been ifdefed out for ages |
| 18:29.14 | Patlabor221 | but I will check |
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| 18:54.33 | Noodleman | http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/games/bzflag.html |
| 18:54.39 | Noodleman | does anyone know about that? |
| 18:57.10 | Tupone | Noodleman: I think it is learner works, and the one in the picture is me! |
| 18:57.21 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 18:57.47 | Tupone | sry, the one that is destroying the one in the picture |
| 18:57.55 | Tupone | its my snapshot |
| 19:11.39 | Nidhoggr | that's pretty cool, the apple URL |
| 19:16.10 | Grumbler | speaking of apple, any hard opinions on the eMac |
| 19:18.09 | Nidhoggr | emac isn't bad. it's basically the old imac design. |
| 19:19.04 | Nidhoggr | same as imac, but you're not paying for the LCD and the form factor. |
| 19:21.36 | Nidhoggr | Emac is a good choice |
| 19:31.26 | JBdiGriz | I bought a refurb emac for my wife. It's hard to get the kids to use their imacs because my wife's machine is faster. |
| 19:31.38 | Nidhoggr | heh cool :) |
| 19:32.34 | Nidhoggr | mouse corners? something else I don't know about? |
| 19:32.57 | JBdiGriz | check expose system preferences. |
| 19:33.08 | Nidhoggr | where at? |
| 19:33.28 | JBdiGriz | Apple Menu->System Preferences->Expose |
| 19:33.59 | Nidhoggr | oooh |
| 19:34.02 | Nidhoggr | spiffalicious! |
| 19:37.23 | Nidhoggr | I am so lucky to be able to use a Mac at work. |
| 19:44.18 | Grumbler | the super drive is one expensive drive.....added $400 to the price |
| 19:45.07 | Grumbler | whoops, make that $200, forgot the office stuff |
| 19:49.06 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 19:49.23 | Nidhoggr | it's 145 aftermarket, but you still pay for installation and get NO software. |
| 19:49.31 | Nidhoggr | that's what I had to do for mine. |
| 19:50.06 | Nidhoggr | and the iDVD software comes with iLife for 50 bucks. |
| 19:50.13 | Nidhoggr | so you pay the same minus labor. |
| 19:51.02 | Nidhoggr | they didn't have superdrives when I bought my computer. |
| 19:51.06 | Nidhoggr | or they were super expensive. |
| 19:53.24 | Nidhoggr | so, how close is 1.10.4 release? |
| 19:59.02 | Noodleman | right now |
| 19:59.05 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 19:59.32 | Tupone | as we release normally the eow, I should say next saturday :( |
| 20:06.29 | Nidhoggr | ah. |
| 20:08.12 | shkoo | so after 1.10.4 is released we'll move to 1.11, and then fork off 1.10.4 if we need any bugfixes? |
| 20:08.35 | Tupone | thats what we hope. But we need Tim blessing |
| 20:11.25 | CIA-1 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: assure we don't loose last update to list server. Fix a bug listed in ? |
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| 20:37.14 | Tupone | TimRiker: is the updated list server online? |
| 20:38.15 | SportChick | Chestal: any idea why I still can't access the ducati servers? |
| 20:39.48 | Tupone | SportChick: any ducati ? |
| 20:39.52 | *** join/#bzflag sbo455 (~cgiirc@66.62.140.111) |
| 20:40.31 | TimRiker | Tupone update with what? |
| 20:40.53 | Tupone | knightmare attacked the list server the past week |
| 20:40.58 | Tupone | so we make a patch |
| 20:41.12 | Tupone | and is in CVS |
| 20:41.32 | Tupone | now we check the ip address of the requesting server to see if match |
| 20:41.44 | *** join/#bzflag sbo267 (~cgiirc@66.62.140.111) |
| 20:45.15 | TimRiker | why was knightmare attacking the list server? |
| 20:45.24 | Nidhoggr | because he's a dork |
| 20:45.31 | Noodleman | who knows |
| 20:45.43 | TimRiker | ah, /me thought it was a server, not a person. |
| 20:46.10 | CIA-1 | 03timriker * 10bzflag/misc/bzflsMy.php: ws |
| 20:46.11 | Nidhoggr | he thinks that mucking with something with no security is "hacking" |
| 20:46.19 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 20:46.21 | Noodleman | indeed |
| 20:50.01 | Chestal | SportChick:ducati CTF is down because of bugs |
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| 20:50.25 | Nidhoggr | I dunno what his beef with our servers is. |
| 20:51.48 | Noodleman | i hear he was cheating under the callsign Noodleroni last night :-) |
| 20:52.07 | Noodleman | i wonder what his disturbance is |
| 20:58.30 | TimRiker | Tupone: I changed the script over... holler if the list server has issues registering etc. |
| 20:58.39 | TimRiker | getting the list still works fine. |
| 20:58.41 | Nidhoggr | thanks, tim |
| 20:59.02 | Nidhoggr | I was tired of reading about my imaginary exploits on the listserver. |
| 21:02.24 | TimRiker | ~spell deleteing |
| 21:02.28 | | possible spellings for deleteing: deleting depleting deluding dilating diluting fleeting sleeting delegating deletion deserting felting delete delighting deflating delinting defeating delaying pelleting deeding deleter dieting letting belting deleted deletes delving denting elating eluting melting pelting welting TELNETTing tilting duetting debating debiting debuting deluging demoting denoting deputing devoting relating toileting valeting |
| 21:02.30 | TimRiker | ~spell deleting |
| 21:02.31 | | 'deleting' may be spelled correctly |
| 21:03.23 | CIA-1 | 03timriker * 10bzflag/misc/bzflsMy.php: speeling |
| 21:16.24 | Grumbler | maybe we should move knightmare over to the group W bench. |
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| 21:29.40 | TimRiker | package/win32/include is dead? |
| 21:30.06 | TimRiker | package/win32/Makefile.am does not think so. |
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| 21:42.22 | Patlabor221 | is there a way to do a dump of a mysql data base? |
| 21:43.02 | ninjer_proton | Patlabor221: man mysqldump |
| 21:43.27 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 21:45.23 | scanline | uh oh, Patlabor221 must be up to no good |
| 21:45.34 | scanline | someone his age, with a MySQL database, in a channel like this |
| 21:45.55 | SportChick | Chestal: I can't get into ducati rabbit either. |
| 21:47.23 | Patlabor221 | when am I ever up to "good" ? |
| 21:47.44 | SportChick | Chestal: everytime I try to connect to any ducat server, I get the message "Connectin failed. Error connecting to server" |
| 21:50.34 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (frank@p5082060F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:56.40 | TimRiker | the multibase code or something similar is screwing up joins. |
| 21:57.00 | TimRiker | something is messed as far as enter areas for bases. |
| 22:03.16 | Nidhoggr | I had one yesterday on xmission where I right clicked and it took about 30 seconds before I actually spawned. |
| 22:06.52 | Nidhoggr | I thought it was completely broke, and i just waited. eventually spawned. |
| 22:08.18 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: eMac on the way...............you and JBdiGriz may be getting some questions later |
| 22:10.27 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp03995358pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 22:12.27 | Nidhoggr | okie. |
| 22:14.10 | Nidhoggr | grumbler: everyone needs an uncle like you. :) |
| 22:18.08 | Nidhoggr | hrm. i think I need to finish my photo editing project for my friend, Mary. |
| 22:18.40 | Nidhoggr | she gave me ancient pics of her and her sister, and her parents, which were really bad, and I am repairing them in photoshop. |
| 22:19.21 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:21.58 | creeperz | what about Apu? |
| 22:22.07 | creeperz | he's indian and his name is short... |
| 22:22.31 | creeperz | he's also been shot more than anyone else on the simpsons...but still |
| 22:24.09 | TimRiker | small test with the hix.bzw that's in cvs shows the incorrect spawn locations. |
| 22:25.13 | Chestal | ü |
| 22:25.27 | Chestal | oopsa |
| 22:25.34 | Chestal | hmm, http://www.webpolizei.de/uploads/pics/mathe_erstsemester.jpg |
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| 22:32.00 | sn0w_m0nkey | ~d |
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| 22:44.53 | CIA-1 | 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (configure.in package/win32/Makefile.am): really gone? |
| 22:46.35 | Patlabor221 | yes, we don't need all that installer stuff, nsis will take care of it all |
| 22:46.36 | CIA-1 | 03timriker * 10bzflag/configure.in: really gone? |
| 22:46.50 | Patlabor221 | we haven't use the old installer in 4 releases |
| 22:47.14 | david_v | Chestal: is there a way to decrease the number of buildings on the 1.7 CTF server? not right now, but at some point |
| 22:47.44 | Patlabor221 | I figured I did, tho I did try to get the ones I thought I knew about |
| 22:47.49 | Chestal | david_v: the 1.7 server will go away sooner or later |
| 22:48.17 | Patlabor221 | did learner get the makes fixed for the datafiles that were added? he said he would make sure it's all good |
| 22:48.29 | TimRiker | david_v: edit the source and restart. |
| 22:49.08 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: have not tried those yet. need to try a distcheck. |
| 22:49.28 | TimRiker | anyone know what's up with the base spawning? it causes server segfaults here. |
| 22:49.52 | TimRiker | building for debug now to look into it. |
| 22:50.07 | Tupone | I have seen a bug, but there are more, trying to investigate but this night is short for me |
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| 22:51.31 | Chestal | do we really need bases for teams with max size 0 in classic CTF? |
| 22:52.16 | david_v | TimRiker: heh i forgot to mention that i meant the Ducati server :) |
| 22:52.20 | david_v | Chestal: okies |
| 22:52.43 | david_v | pointing is impolite |
| 22:52.50 | david_v | just a side note :) |
| 22:52.59 | Chestal | I'll get rid of the unused CTF bases if noone has objections |
| 22:53.03 | david_v | but, i'll be playing a fun match now... bbl... |
| 22:53.09 | Chestal | in 1.7, they are not created for -cr, but for -c they are |
| 22:54.21 | Patlabor221 | TimRiker, when you get all back and settled on track, there are some things I need to ask you about future plans. I found some issues that will come up with doing external tank models. |
| 22:54.42 | Patlabor221 | and some solutions need to be chosen |
| 22:55.52 | Patlabor221 | at least for the core backend GL support for them. I'm not even thinking of the downloading/management of them |
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| 22:57.11 | Tupone | orchid: ciao |
| 22:57.20 | orchid | hello |
| 22:58.02 | TimRiker | Chestal: in what? |
| 22:58.32 | Chestal | TimRiker: ehm, I mean when you do -mp 0,3,3,0,0 -c, then all 4 bases wil be created |
| 22:58.33 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: hit me |
| 22:58.36 | Chestal | with -cr, onyl red and green |
| 22:58.53 | TimRiker | Chestal: in 1.10? |
| 22:59.02 | Chestal | in 1.7 and 1.10 |
| 22:59.12 | Chestal | IMHO it makes more sense to use the -cr way always |
| 22:59.24 | Patlabor221 | well #1 is how do you want the IDL handled, it's based on a simplified tank model. if the tank model changes t wont' be right |
| 22:59.34 | Patlabor221 | can a) base the IDL on the bounding box/sphere |
| 22:59.37 | Chestal | why woudl you want bases when no players of that colour can join |
| 22:59.41 | Patlabor221 | b) make the IDL some other efffect |
| 22:59.46 | Patlabor221 | or C) remove the IDL |
| 23:00.34 | Patlabor221 | or d) do a lot of hard math to calc an outline on an poly soup model |
| 23:01.48 | Patlabor221 | the next is, do we keep LOD? if so do we need 3 or is 2 ok, and do we keep LOD as multiple model files, or keep them in the same file as named objects. |
| 23:01.56 | Tupone | Chestal: for xmission (hix) could be good to have that even with 0 max team for blue and purple. Could be transforming it in box ? |
| 23:02.31 | Patlabor221 | the last is how to handle placment of the flag, can a) put a tag in the model for a flag atachment point, or b) do the center of mass |
| 23:02.34 | TimRiker | purple base count is 0 when I join. getting the location to spawn segfaults. |
| 23:02.38 | Chestal | Tupone: xmission is custom map, no? |
| 23:02.47 | Chestal | this onyl affects automatic maps |
| 23:03.01 | Tupone | ah, ok. I didn't know |
| 23:03.07 | Chestal | I am changign the handling of default ctf maps righ tnow |
| 23:03.16 | Chestal | haven't looked at custom maps |
| 23:03.59 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: 2 levels would be ok with me. a high and a low. I don't know anyone that uses medium. |
| 23:04.17 | TimRiker | Chestal: yes. who did the multi base support? that's the buggy code. |
| 23:04.20 | Patlabor221 | that is what I figured you would go for :) |
| 23:04.50 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: I'm fine with a fixed bounding area too. and a fixed turret location. |
| 23:05.06 | Patlabor221 | bounding area? |
| 23:05.08 | Patlabor221 | for the IDL? |
| 23:05.27 | Patlabor221 | the colision system is not tied to the model |
| 23:05.29 | Patlabor221 | it would not change |
| 23:05.40 | Patlabor221 | I plan on scaling the model so it fits in the current bbox |
| 23:05.48 | Patlabor221 | so it's fair |
| 23:05.48 | TimRiker | IDL == ? |
| 23:05.55 | Patlabor221 | Inter demenstional lights |
| 23:05.59 | Patlabor221 | the teleport effect |
| 23:06.08 | Patlabor221 | it's based on a hardcoded outline |
| 23:06.16 | TimRiker | ah, yeah... |
| 23:06.17 | Patlabor221 | that is a simplification of the current tank |
| 23:06.30 | Patlabor221 | I can base it on the bounding sphere |
| 23:06.40 | Patlabor221 | may still look neat |
| 23:06.42 | Patlabor221 | or the bbox |
| 23:07.20 | TimRiker | that seems to be a good choice. could add a ball around the tank that's translucent and do the effect on that. |
| 23:07.59 | TimRiker | ie: make the bounding area visible and do IDL on that. |
| 23:08.46 | Patlabor221 | yes that is what I was thiking |
| 23:08.51 | TimRiker | needs to be translucent when blendings on and not be drawn when bending is off |
| 23:08.51 | Patlabor221 | like it's making a "door" |
| 23:08.58 | TimRiker | er blending. |
| 23:09.07 | Patlabor221 | well it can be drawn just like it is now, it's just the shape |
| 23:09.15 | Patlabor221 | wasn't gonna change the drawing part |
| 23:09.41 | Patlabor221 | ok then I think that answers the basic questions |
| 23:09.52 | TimRiker | I meant actually showing the bounding region showing up around the rest of the vehicle but alpha blended at say 20% |
| 23:10.08 | TimRiker | but the "door" is the first step. |
| 23:10.10 | Patlabor221 | that would mean a new scene node |
| 23:10.28 | Patlabor221 | there is also a problem with flags, I can't make them change textures in the current method |
| 23:10.29 | TimRiker | yeah, do the "door" first and we can add to it later. |
| 23:10.32 | Patlabor221 | since we preallocate them |
| 23:10.57 | TimRiker | you were thinking team logo on a flag? |
| 23:11.04 | Patlabor221 | that was one thing yes |
| 23:11.10 | TimRiker | other thing? |
| 23:11.16 | Patlabor221 | the other was an icon on a caried flag for it's type |
| 23:11.27 | TimRiker | ah. |
| 23:11.46 | Patlabor221 | same info that is in the score list, just a difrent way to show it |
| 23:11.52 | ninjer_proton | wow, so no reverts yet? :) |
| 23:11.59 | TimRiker | reverts? |
| 23:12.02 | Patlabor221 | the team logo was the bigest thing |
| 23:13.06 | Chestal | Tim: guess we can fix it |
| 23:13.20 | Patlabor221 | the present scene note thing leaves a lot to be desired, dosn't really lend itself to objects with more then one texture |
| 23:14.05 | ninjer_proton | TimRiker: there was something of a running joke going while you were gone about all the cvs activity and your reversions :) |
| 23:14.56 | Patlabor221 | tho if you don't like the current menu Icon you can revert that, since learner commited it by accedent, but everyone likes it :) |
| 23:15.02 | Patlabor221 | I need to make it spin |
| 23:15.04 | TimRiker | Chestal: xmission is crashing at the moment. it needs to get fixed or reverted. |
| 23:15.35 | TimRiker | I like the new menu icon. ;-) |
| 23:15.38 | Patlabor221 | oh Chestal, any hints on #1 and #7 ? |
| 23:15.41 | Patlabor221 | ahh good |
| 23:15.56 | Patlabor221 | it is based on the icon, so figured it wouldn't be too bad |
| 23:16.04 | Patlabor221 | it can be animated now too :) |
| 23:16.16 | Chestal | Patlabor: I only got 2, 4, 5 and 8 |
| 23:16.31 | Patlabor221 | chestal, you won't get 3 |
| 23:17.06 | Chestal | but I know someone who has 3 :-) |
| 23:17.08 | Patlabor221 | it's a movie for younger people, and it was REALLY bad |
| 23:17.19 | Patlabor221 | that you do |
| 23:17.26 | TimRiker | ninjer_proton: most of it was great. I replied last night about the multi-base concerns. |
| 23:17.38 | TimRiker | and testing shows that it is indeed causing segfaults |
| 23:17.51 | Patlabor221 | Nidhoggr rather likes the alt image dir |
| 23:18.20 | TimRiker | that seems simple enough. does is default to looking in .bzf/something ? or on the system path? |
| 23:18.28 | TimRiker | a local override would be nice. |
| 23:18.39 | Patlabor221 | default goes into data/alternate |
| 23:18.51 | Patlabor221 | it's in bzdb so you can set it in your config to anything you want |
| 23:19.10 | TimRiker | I think it should be <bzflagdir>/data/ |
| 23:19.21 | TimRiker | by default that is... |
| 23:19.29 | Patlabor221 | that is the core defalt allready |
| 23:19.31 | Patlabor221 | it allways checks tehre |
| 23:19.43 | Patlabor221 | it checks alt dir, then base dir |
| 23:19.44 | TimRiker | no, as in ~/.bzf/data/ |
| 23:19.54 | Patlabor221 | it checks relitive by default |
| 23:20.02 | Patlabor221 | ohh I didn't know there was one of those |
| 23:20.13 | TimRiker | there isn't. but there could be. |
| 23:20.34 | Patlabor221 | well it's right there in bzfs.cxx so you can init it to what ever you wish :) |
| 23:20.37 | TimRiker | seems more likely than a data/alternate/ |
| 23:20.47 | TimRiker | I'm talking about the default value. |
| 23:20.58 | Patlabor221 | yes, thats where the default is set |
| 23:21.08 | Patlabor221 | with all the other bzdb globals |
| 23:21.13 | TimRiker | oh, I thought you meant I could add it to my config. ;-) |
| 23:21.20 | Patlabor221 | no I meant you in the code :) |
| 23:21.25 | TimRiker | ;-) |
| 23:21.33 | Patlabor221 | I am just concerned with hooking up the GL backends for ya all |
| 23:21.42 | TimRiker | so can someone revert the multi-base stuff? |
| 23:21.44 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure there will be many uses for it |
| 23:22.16 | Chestal | Tim: I am actualyl debugging it right now |
| 23:22.20 | ninjer_proton | heh |
| 23:22.34 | Chestal | but woudl be nice if MAC came |
| 23:22.35 | TimRiker | Chestal: cool. |
| 23:22.59 | Pimpinella | somebody knows if anteater is trustworthy? |
| 23:23.00 | TimRiker | ~call MAC |
| 23:24.04 | Patlabor221 | for the models I figure I'll key it all on a bzdb flag called "preferExternalModels" |
| 23:24.05 | TimRiker | ibot: call $who is <action> looks around and then screams out $who as loudly as possible |
| 23:24.07 | | okay, TimRiker |
| 23:24.09 | TimRiker | ~call MAC |
| 23:24.13 | | ACTION looks around and then screams out MAC as loudly as possible |
| 23:24.15 | Patlabor221 | and you all can default/set that how ever you want |
| 23:24.39 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: huh? |
| 23:24.53 | Patlabor221 | I need somethign to say load an external model, or use the old way |
| 23:25.00 | Patlabor221 | unless its' ok to remove the old way |
| 23:25.04 | TimRiker | why? kill the old way. ;-) |
| 23:25.08 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 23:25.29 | Patlabor221 | figured you's want the old way for the softies |
| 23:25.34 | TimRiker | once the new way works, there should be models that look something like the old models as a possibel choice, yes? |
| 23:25.38 | Patlabor221 | tho can easaly make an external model of the current tank |
| 23:25.40 | Pimpinella | TimRiker: r u still working on the karma-system? |
| 23:25.58 | Patlabor221 | yes I have the current models allready in external format, so they will be exact |
| 23:25.59 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: not much, thinking, but not yet coding. |
| 23:26.26 | Patlabor221 | tho I have to make the changes to them that I made to the BZ model, it's no longer a low-rider |
| 23:26.39 | Pimpinella | would be a great improvement |
| 23:26.44 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: keeping the old code might be a touch faster on old systems, but it would clutter the code. let's just nuke it and be done with it. |
| 23:27.07 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: your models have the ground clearance fix? |
| 23:27.07 | Patlabor221 | it'll be a list so it should run exactly the same |
| 23:27.24 | Patlabor221 | I nedd to re export them, is what I am syaing |
| 23:27.26 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: I meant the read from a file on startup... |
| 23:27.28 | Patlabor221 | or make the same change |
| 23:27.39 | Patlabor221 | yes, should take littel time to do that |
| 23:28.01 | Patlabor221 | app launches faster now too, since it loads less textures on start :) |
| 23:28.18 | TimRiker | let's nuke the medium, but keep the old low and high res tanks. probably fixed so the texture map works better.... ;-) |
| 23:28.31 | Patlabor221 | yes the UV on the sucks |
| 23:28.42 | Patlabor221 | did you see the screen shots of my higher res textures? |
| 23:29.06 | TimRiker | what's the syntax for the auto-identify in the config again? "set identify user@server:port" ? |
| 23:29.10 | Patlabor221 | and team color textures |
| 23:29.20 | TimRiker | "set identify user@server:port password" ? |
| 23:29.33 | TimRiker | something like that.... |
| 23:29.40 | Tupone | set c3po@xmission.bzflag.org:5154 alfredo |
| 23:29.40 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: nope. url? |
| 23:29.45 | Patlabor221 | http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=1324 |
| 23:30.40 | Patlabor221 | I uped the cammo reapeat on the higher res texture by 2 |
| 23:30.52 | learner | set user@server:port password |
| 23:31.03 | learner | er, yeah, what tupone said :) |
| 23:31.39 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: sweet. how'd you get the tanks lined up? helpers online? |
| 23:31.56 | Patlabor221 | tupone got a bunch of people together for me |
| 23:32.16 | Chestal | actually, I hav eto go to bed and cannot debug it anymore |
| 23:32.16 | Tupone | :) that is not my password :) |
| 23:32.55 | Chestal | there are some sublteties with regard to omitting bases for teams with size 0 |
| 23:33.48 | Patlabor221 | I wonder how much the low LOD tank saves us |
| 23:34.12 | Patlabor221 | chestal seems to indicate that fill is the slowdown on softies, not geomtery |
| 23:34.22 | TimRiker | did the requireident as a group option get added to cvs? |
| 23:34.54 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: I'm thinking of adding a "box with a turret" as low. ;-) |
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| 23:35.17 | Patlabor221 | still it takes the same fill at distance |
| 23:35.24 | Patlabor221 | so I am not sure that saves much |
| 23:35.31 | Patlabor221 | the BZ tank is under 200 faces total |
| 23:35.40 | TimRiker | perhaps. but it'll be an extreme case to test timing on. |
| 23:35.51 | TimRiker | this would be ... /me counts... |
| 23:35.58 | TimRiker | 12 total. |
| 23:36.06 | Patlabor221 | for a box yea |
| 23:36.12 | Patlabor221 | probably under 30 when your done |
| 23:36.15 | TimRiker | well. gotta count tri's I suppose... so 24? |
| 23:36.23 | Patlabor221 | but if all the time you save is killed by filling, who cares |
| 23:36.44 | Patlabor221 | I can rig up a test case |
| 23:36.56 | TimRiker | could even do a two prys and make it 12 total. |
| 23:37.13 | Patlabor221 | I know that BZ waits for GL to fill on softies, |
| 23:37.26 | Patlabor221 | so there may be time to spend on xforms |
| 23:37.42 | TimRiker | base of a tall skinny pyr is the turret end. tank is another pyr |
| 23:38.07 | Patlabor221 | well in low quality, the low model is used for all LODs IIRC |
| 23:38.15 | Patlabor221 | so that may not be ok for it |
| 23:38.19 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-123-209.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 23:38.37 | TimRiker | we could change that. |
| 23:38.45 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:38.58 | TimRiker | Chestal: progress? |
| 23:39.00 | Patlabor221 | I want to combine the texture seting and quality into one option |
| 23:39.10 | Patlabor221 | that has minimum, low, normal, and high |
| 23:39.30 | Patlabor221 | min = no textures, no z bufer, low quality, |
| 23:39.39 | TimRiker | yeah, I saw that. sounds good in principle. |
| 23:39.50 | Patlabor221 | low is textures on, med quality |
| 23:40.06 | Patlabor221 | normal is textures on curent high quality |
| 23:40.10 | creeperz | i was just thinking (something i dont usually do so be proud that i can think of stupid stuff like this) that maybe you should be able to select the folder from where your sounds are placed? |
| 23:40.26 | creeperz | and graphics |
| 23:40.31 | Patlabor221 | and new high quality, is use external models for all things that have them, and some pimp paritcle effects |
| 23:40.42 | TimRiker | creeperz: hence my thoughts on a ~/.bzf/data on the search path. |
| 23:40.59 | Patlabor221 | I thought about doing a sounds dir too |
| 23:41.07 | creeperz | i see |
| 23:41.09 | TimRiker | images, sounds, meshes, etc. could all go in one dir. |
| 23:41.16 | Patlabor221 | but it dosn't go thru media file tho |
| 23:41.25 | TimRiker | so fix that. ;-) |
| 23:41.26 | Chestal | TimRiker: no, stopped working on it, too many dependencies, woudl ahve to talk with MAC (it's not all the fault of the new code), have to go to bed |
| 23:41.28 | Chestal | good night |
| 23:41.32 | Patlabor221 | BZ needs a file abstraction in platform |
| 23:41.38 | TimRiker | or do the same hack in multiple places. |
| 23:41.54 | TimRiker | Chestal: night. |
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| 23:41.57 | TimRiker | ~lart MAC |
| 23:42.11 | Patlabor221 | well if we go too ogg then it will go thru meadia file |
| 23:42.22 | Patlabor221 | also models will probably need to go into sub dirs |
| 23:42.25 | Patlabor221 | one per model |
| 23:42.33 | bryjen | one hack in one spot help cut down bug duplication |
| 23:42.35 | Patlabor221 | since they eahc have skins, and name conficts would be easy |
| 23:43.22 | Patlabor221 | untill the scene node/render node stuff is totaly redone, we will only be able to support 1 texture per object |
| 23:43.39 | TimRiker | ok. one step at a time. |
| 23:43.43 | Patlabor221 | presently I don' see any material sorting |
| 23:44.03 | Patlabor221 | yes I know, that is why I didn't rip it anew this time :) |
| 23:46.55 | Patlabor221 | Tim what about my patch that replaces the GM with a model of a missile? can I put that in? |
| 23:47.12 | Noodleman | don't touch the fakey gm!! |
| 23:47.20 | creeperz | lol |
| 23:47.35 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: can the old 2d one exist as a model? |
| 23:47.35 | Patlabor221 | well the old model/billboard would be there, if you don't have the model file |
| 23:47.54 | Patlabor221 | not really, it's abillboard, but I could fake it |
| 23:48.14 | Patlabor221 | billboards and models don't really go well together |
| 23:48.21 | Patlabor221 | least not in a fileformat |
| 23:48.27 | TimRiker | 2d rect with alpha blended animated texture? |
| 23:48.40 | Patlabor221 | there is no such ting as a 2d rect in a 3d model |
| 23:48.48 | Patlabor221 | all thigns have x y and z |
| 23:48.54 | TimRiker | ok, very very thin box? ;-) |
| 23:48.57 | Patlabor221 | I'd have to tag it and special case it |
| 23:49.06 | Patlabor221 | but then it needs to be rotated flat to the camer |
| 23:49.12 | Patlabor221 | no mater what it's a special case hack |
| 23:49.24 | Patlabor221 | I can do it, it's just fugly |
| 23:49.42 | Patlabor221 | or like I say keep a bzdb otion to pefer models |
| 23:50.02 | TimRiker | well, get the other meshes in and then I'd like to see the GM texture as a patch we can test on some slow boxes. |
| 23:50.04 | Patlabor221 | or I can make a simple missle with like 6 faces |
| 23:50.16 | TimRiker | that might work. |
| 23:50.17 | Patlabor221 | you have seen it as a patch |
| 23:50.22 | Patlabor221 | it was for G2 |
| 23:50.44 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: yeah, but I didn't test it on slow hardware. |
| 23:51.00 | Patlabor221 | at low quality it kicked back to the old method |
| 23:51.08 | Patlabor221 | only showed the model at high quality |
| 23:51.10 | creeperz | that was fun :-) |
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| 23:51.15 | Patlabor221 | so yeah it was tested |
| 23:51.16 | TimRiker | pyr with a point should be fast enough on slow hardware. |
| 23:51.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah, it's less faces then the current flat GM |
| 23:51.32 | TimRiker | ie: 4 faces and red. |
| 23:51.36 | Patlabor221 | with it's flares |
| 23:52.00 | Patlabor221 | I can have it pull from difrent models based on a quality setting, that's easy |
| 23:52.01 | TimRiker | that's still playable for old machines, and looks even cooler for new. |
| 23:52.16 | Patlabor221 | yes it does look really cool as a missle, specialy when it tracks |
| 23:52.23 | TimRiker | I have no attachment to the current GM graphic. if it gets in the way, nuke it. |
| 23:52.23 | Patlabor221 | cus you can see where it is pointing :) |
| 23:52.41 | Patlabor221 | well that makes it easyer |
| 23:52.41 | TimRiker | the 4 sided pry would track too even on old hardware. |
| 23:52.42 | Patlabor221 | a lot easyer |
| 23:52.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:52.57 | Patlabor221 | it would probably fill even less and be a bit faster |
| 23:53.04 | TimRiker | what about puffs? |
| 23:53.16 | Patlabor221 | those are still based on the old rules |
| 23:53.22 | Patlabor221 | they are a difrent scene node |
| 23:53.30 | TimRiker | ok. so no change there. cool. |
| 23:53.32 | Patlabor221 | so they don't change |
| 23:53.33 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:53.52 | TimRiker | yeah, I'm thinking we nuke all the build in cruft and go to models. |
| 23:54.01 | Patlabor221 | tho I found that the splosions look a lot better if you take the default texture and make it 50% alpha |
| 23:54.13 | TimRiker | have not thought through how to select your own local ones.... |
| 23:54.21 | Patlabor221 | models are the most flexable |
| 23:54.50 | Patlabor221 | well the rendering code will jsut need the file to the model on init, so you guys can figure that out. |
| 23:55.05 | TimRiker | on *nix we can ln -s ~/.bzf/data/tank.mesh to bzflag/mycoollargetank.mesh etc. |
| 23:55.11 | Patlabor221 | I can also replace the normal shot with a real shell |
| 23:55.23 | TimRiker | or a DB entry would do on all platforms |
| 23:55.38 | Patlabor221 | you don't want to be making simlinks :) |
| 23:55.47 | Patlabor221 | db entrys are best |
| 23:56.00 | Patlabor221 | I will put all model paths in the DB for it's defaults then |
| 23:56.08 | TimRiker | I like the current shots (and SB). They are generic enough that they should work with all themes, yes? |
| 23:56.16 | Patlabor221 | at least the ones the game uses by default |
| 23:56.30 | Patlabor221 | depends on how wacky you want the theme to bee |
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| 23:57.03 | TimRiker | all the new file names are _ separated. |
| 23:57.13 | TimRiker | I would think that - is a touch more portable? |
| 23:57.16 | Patlabor221 | yes chestal didn't like . |
| 23:57.28 | Patlabor221 | he could not think of any system that culd not do _ |
| 23:57.38 | Patlabor221 | since we had files allready with _ |
| 23:57.42 | Patlabor221 | the sounds |
| 23:57.56 | TimRiker | iso9660 does not do one of those. can't recall if it's _ or - |
| 23:57.58 | Patlabor221 | I wanted red.bolt.png |
| 23:58.16 | Patlabor221 | probably - |
| 23:58.24 | Patlabor221 | I have seen _ on ISO cds |
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| 23:58.32 | Patlabor221 | most install shield stuff uses _ |
| 23:59.35 | TimRiker | yep. iso9660 does _ but not -. cool. |
| 23:59.38 | Patlabor221 | I think I'll put all loaded filenames in BZDB to make it easyer to change |
| 23:59.50 | Patlabor221 | even the existing textures |
