| 00:00.39 | Ro-z | its empty |
| 00:02.58 | Patlabor221 | what is the file's full name? |
| 00:03.28 | Ro-z | ban.txt |
| 00:03.49 | Patlabor221 | dono then, if that is the file's true name it shoudl work |
| 00:06.22 | Tupone | Ro-z: if you remove that? |
| 00:11.21 | Patlabor221 | !roulette |
| 00:11.21 | guu | Patlabor221: *click* |
| 00:11.55 | bzgirl | !roulette |
| 00:11.55 | guu | bzgirl: *click* |
| 00:11.57 | bzgirl | !roulette |
| 00:11.57 | guu | bzgirl: *click* |
| 00:11.59 | bzgirl | !roulette |
| 00:12.03 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o guu] by Patlabor221 |
| 00:12.17 | Patlabor221 | armed and dangerous |
| 00:12.20 | Tupone | !bzgirl |
| 00:12.21 | guu | Tupone: Error: 'bzgirl' is not a valid command. |
| 00:12.27 | bzgirl | !roulette |
| 00:12.27 | guu | bzgirl: *click* |
| 00:12.41 | bzgirl | !roulette |
| 00:12.42 | guu | bzgirl: *click* |
| 00:12.44 | bzgirl | !roulette |
| 00:12.44 | guu | bzgirl: *click* |
| 00:12.45 | bzgirl | !roulette |
| 00:12.45 | guu | bzgirl: *click* |
| 00:12.47 | bzgirl | !roulette |
| 00:12.47 | guu | bzgirl: *click* |
| 00:12.55 | bzgirl | im lucky |
| 00:12.58 | Patlabor221 | so ether it lies, or your very |
| 00:14.47 | Gorilla_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.55 | Gorilla_ | !roulette |
| 00:14.56 | guu | Gorilla_: *click* |
| 00:15.06 | orchid | !help roulette |
| 00:15.06 | guu | orchid: (roulette takes no arguments.) -- Randomly picks a number from 1 to 6 and if it comes up 1, you get kicked. Otherwise -- *click* |
| 00:15.19 | Gorilla_ | who's turn is it now?? |
| 00:15.28 | orchid | !roulette |
| 00:15.28 | guu | orchid: *click* |
| 00:15.32 | Patlabor221 | !roulette |
| 00:15.32 | guu | Patlabor221: *click* |
| 00:15.45 | orchid | !roulette |
| 00:15.45 | guu | orchid: *click* |
| 00:15.50 | Gorilla_ | who's turn is it now?? |
| 00:15.53 | Gorilla_ | !roulette |
| 00:15.53 | guu | Gorilla_: *click* |
| 00:16.08 | Gorilla_ | !roulette |
| 00:16.09 | guu | Gorilla_: *click* |
| 00:16.10 | orchid | i dont think its so random |
| 00:16.13 | orchid | !roulette |
| 00:16.13 | guu | orchid: *click* |
| 00:16.28 | orchid | !roulette |
| 00:16.28 | guu | orchid: *click* |
| 00:17.01 | Ro-z | omg this banfile thing is makin me nuts |
| 00:17.02 | Ro-z | lol |
| 00:17.09 | Ro-z | still wont work |
| 00:17.11 | Gorilla_ | It should pick a random number between 1 and 6 and then keep counting, once it get to 7...!BANG |
| 00:17.20 | Gorilla_ | !roulette |
| 00:17.21 | guu | Gorilla_: *click* |
| 00:17.59 | Ro-z | is there a way to enable this after the server starts? |
| 00:18.11 | Patlabor221 | you sure your not hiding file extenstions Ro-z? |
| 00:18.31 | Ro-z | what do you mean? |
| 00:20.35 | Patlabor221 | in your OS, you can have it hide extensions for known file types |
| 00:20.50 | Patlabor221 | like when you have a picture, do you see the .bmp and .jpg at the end of the file? |
| 00:21.03 | Patlabor221 | it's the default mode for a number of windows versions |
| 00:21.20 | Ro-z | how do I change this? |
| 00:21.32 | Patlabor221 | what version of windows you on? |
| 00:21.39 | Ro-z | 98SE |
| 00:21.44 | Patlabor221 | ok, |
| 00:21.53 | Patlabor221 | first shut the comptuer down |
| 00:21.55 | Ro-z | its weird cuz the report.txt file works fine with the report command. |
| 00:21.56 | Patlabor221 | get a hammer |
| 00:22.06 | Patlabor221 | then take the drive |
| 00:22.08 | Patlabor221 | and beat it |
| 00:22.29 | gonkulator | lol |
| 00:22.35 | Patlabor221 | it's probably in some folder options |
| 00:22.51 | Patlabor221 | it will be in one of the menus in any file explorer window |
| 00:23.03 | Patlabor221 | probably under edit or folder |
| 00:23.14 | Patlabor221 | what kinda PC is it? |
| 00:23.16 | Ro-z | but why would the report.txt work fine and not ban.txt? |
| 00:23.31 | Patlabor221 | if the report one didn't have another extension after it |
| 00:23.46 | Patlabor221 | it may have an extenstion of nothing |
| 00:23.56 | Patlabor221 | this may not be it, but it's something to check |
| 00:24.10 | Ro-z | lol your only confusing me |
| 00:24.18 | Patlabor221 | well 98 can cause that |
| 00:24.25 | Ro-z | the report.txt file is used in the config for another feature but works fine. |
| 00:24.35 | Patlabor221 | delete the ban file |
| 00:24.38 | Patlabor221 | copy the report file |
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| 00:24.44 | Patlabor221 | rename the copy to ban.txt |
| 00:24.49 | Patlabor221 | try that |
| 00:24.56 | Patlabor221 | and get a new OS |
| 00:24.59 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 00:25.04 | Patlabor221 | at least 2k |
| 00:25.54 | tapo | brlcad.org:14243 - too many with problems understanding rabbit hunting. |
| 00:26.16 | Ro-z | I think its a problem with bzflag |
| 00:26.17 | Ro-z | :P |
| 00:26.24 | Patlabor221 | what they don't get "down with whitie"? |
| 00:27.00 | tapo | it is too complicated. a tank, coming towards me. I stand. He shoots. No brain? |
| 00:27.01 | Patlabor221 | I'll build and try |
| 00:27.04 | Patlabor221 | one sec |
| 00:27.34 | tapo | another folk with laser (and ricochet). sorry. sorry. hell. |
| 00:28.13 | tapo | I've found a bug in the locales (german) -- when you have an "Identify" flag, it shows the english names of the flags you're near to. |
| 00:28.32 | Patlabor221 | that means they are not in the translated file |
| 00:28.40 | Patlabor221 | it defaults to english what it can not find |
| 00:28.51 | tapo | without "Identify" it is ok. Despite some uncommon names :). |
| 00:29.10 | Patlabor221 | how can you see the names when you don't have ID? |
| 00:29.11 | tapo | Without Identify "Zielsuchende Rakete" is with Identify "GM" |
| 00:29.26 | tapo | I take tha flag, then I see the name...? |
| 00:29.40 | Patlabor221 | is the word GM in the lang file? |
| 00:30.53 | tapo | msgid "Guided Missile (GM)" |
| 00:30.53 | tapo | msgstr "Zielsuchende Rakete" |
| 00:31.00 | Patlabor221 | Ro-z, take the quotes out |
| 00:31.12 | tapo | the german names work, but it uses another language when "Identify" is active. |
| 00:31.14 | Patlabor221 | so -banfile ban.txt |
| 00:31.15 | Patlabor221 | that works |
| 00:31.38 | tapo | or the msgid |
| 00:31.42 | Patlabor221 | tapo, that is not the word GM |
| 00:31.47 | Patlabor221 | the file needs this |
| 00:32.07 | tapo | hell - I remembered seeing "GM". The game is not active, I am in this channel right now :-) |
| 00:32.25 | Patlabor221 | the code send the string"GM" not the full "guided missle" |
| 00:32.31 | Patlabor221 | so it needs a msgid for "GM" |
| 00:32.38 | Patlabor221 | and a string for it |
| 00:32.54 | Patlabor221 | to get it to pick up the longer german name, it would have to send the longer english name |
| 00:33.02 | Patlabor221 | so the file does not have all the text it should |
| 00:33.16 | Patlabor221 | thatt would change engilsh too |
| 00:33.39 | Patlabor221 | add this |
| 00:33.41 | Patlabor221 | msgid "GM" |
| 00:33.41 | Patlabor221 | msgstr "Zielsuchende Rakete" |
| 00:33.48 | Patlabor221 | that should make it show the german name |
| 00:34.04 | Patlabor221 | or just "ZR" if you want |
| 00:34.13 | Ro-z | still not workin right |
| 00:34.17 | Ro-z | ugh |
| 00:34.17 | Ro-z | lol |
| 00:34.19 | Patlabor221 | works for me |
| 00:34.29 | Patlabor221 | I did bzfs.exe -banfile ban.txt |
| 00:35.35 | Patlabor221 | windows 98 will have a limit to how long a command line can be |
| 00:35.44 | Patlabor221 | you may want to switch to a bzflag config file |
| 00:35.59 | Ro-z | that is what im using |
| 00:36.05 | Ro-z | im putting it in a config file |
| 00:36.07 | Ro-z | lol |
| 00:36.07 | Patlabor221 | ohh, you said you had a batfile |
| 00:36.57 | Ro-z | I have a bad file that automatically cds to the directory and runs this command: |
| 00:36.59 | Ro-z | bzfs -conf shiloh2.conf |
| 00:37.07 | Patlabor221 | I'm trying that now |
| 00:37.08 | Patlabor221 | one sec |
| 00:38.55 | Tupone | tapo: that is for all languages, flag discovering by Identity is in English |
| 00:39.08 | tapo | ok |
| 00:39.14 | Patlabor221 | do you see bad argument "-banfile" ? |
| 00:39.37 | tapo | Had to find a damn Identify flag. It sad "Closest Flag: Whatever english term" |
| 00:39.49 | Patlabor221 | is that in the file? |
| 00:39.51 | tapo | Tupone: feature? :) |
| 00:39.57 | tapo | look |
| 00:40.02 | Ro-z | no it says could not load banfile "ban.txt" |
| 00:40.03 | Patlabor221 | I don't have the langs |
| 00:40.13 | Patlabor221 | and you took out the quotes? |
| 00:40.19 | Ro-z | yes |
| 00:40.23 | Patlabor221 | dono then |
| 00:40.25 | Tupone | tapo: bug, but not in translation file, right in the code |
| 00:40.36 | Ro-z | is there a way to load this feature manually? |
| 00:40.36 | tapo | ah ok |
| 00:40.56 | Patlabor221 | all strings in the code are english, they go thru the trans file looking for a match, at least that's how mac splained it to me |
| 00:41.01 | Ro-z | like can I load the config and the banfile at the same time? |
| 00:41.03 | tapo | I better stop playing... dreaming of tanks and sperm shots on radar... :) |
| 00:41.53 | tapo | just played on a server with censorship. tried to say "he does not understand the rules". The last word was #&#& :-)))) |
| 00:41.55 | Tupone | but all the flag discovered by Identity are not translated, I'm going to look at |
| 00:43.56 | Patlabor221 | tupone, I was told that nothing in the code had to be done for translations, I think the strings are just missing from the tranlation file. |
| 00:44.28 | Patlabor221 | when the client gets the english string it just looks for it in the map, and if it finds it, it uses the local string |
| 00:44.33 | Patlabor221 | if not, it uses the english string |
| 00:44.51 | Tupone | I'm looking if translation is done on every printing, and every zone of the HUD |
| 00:44.53 | Patlabor221 | so if "GM" is not in the file it will use english |
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| 00:45.28 | Patlabor221 | true it is a client only thing they may have missed hooking that part up |
| 00:57.19 | *** join/#bzflag McChat (~cgiirc@66.62.140.111) |
| 00:57.20 | McChat | hi |
| 00:57.20 | McChat | anybody here? |
| 00:57.30 | Patlabor221 | are you from the IRS? |
| 00:57.49 | McChat | heh |
| 00:57.52 | McChat | no, I'm a confused player |
| 00:58.00 | Patlabor221 | then yes there are people here :) |
| 00:58.02 | McChat | does anybody know how to play Rabbit hunt? |
| 00:58.09 | *** join/#bzflag |tim| (~|tim|@ip68-106-184-191.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 00:58.09 | McChat | I mean, how does one become the rabbit |
| 00:58.10 | Patlabor221 | you shoot the white gyy |
| 00:58.16 | McChat | I already know the basic rules |
| 00:58.24 | Patlabor221 | have the highest score when the rabit dies |
| 00:58.29 | McChat | I'm just unable to figre out how to become the rabbit |
| 00:58.30 | McChat | no, that's not it |
| 00:58.37 | Patlabor221 | that's how it is suposed to be |
| 00:58.40 | McChat | because players with negative scores are the rabbit |
| 00:58.41 | Patlabor221 | tho there may be a bug in it |
| 00:58.43 | McChat | very often |
| 00:58.50 | McChat | could be |
| 00:59.02 | Tupone | rules are Wins * (Wins - Loss) |
| 00:59.02 | Patlabor221 | MrApathyCream Identified a bug in it last ngiht |
| 00:59.12 | McChat | the thing is, I came in last night and wasn't the rabbit at all |
| 00:59.29 | Patlabor221 | with the current code the same person can keep being the rabbit |
| 00:59.31 | McChat | you mean, the win-loss ratio determines it? |
| 00:59.36 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:59.40 | Patlabor221 | I htink |
| 00:59.42 | McChat | well, that didn't to me |
| 00:59.48 | Patlabor221 | it's been a while |
| 00:59.54 | Patlabor221 | like I say it may have some bugs |
| 00:59.55 | McChat | I had positive, equal, and negative w/l ratio |
| 00:59.59 | captain_proton | it should prefer live people over dead |
| 01:00.00 | McChat | multiple times |
| 01:00.05 | McChat | somebody said that too |
| 01:00.08 | McChat | no difference |
| 01:00.17 | captain_proton | so when the rabbit dies, someone else should be the rabbit for at least one death |
| 01:00.18 | Patlabor221 | don't know how it could have a bug with all that masive amounts of testing that went into it before it was released |
| 01:00.27 | McChat | I had highest score, a positive w/l ratio, was the last man standing, and still didn't get it |
| 01:00.34 | McChat | me neither |
| 01:00.40 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton, yeah thats how it is supoed to be, but mac was saying he could dupe the same person geting rabbit |
| 01:00.47 | Tupone | McChat: You have to multiply by Wins |
| 01:00.48 | captain_proton | weird |
| 01:01.02 | Patlabor221 | Tupone, did you change this recently? |
| 01:01.15 | McChat | you mean, if my wins multiplied are greater than anybody else's, I'm the rabbit? |
| 01:01.19 | Tupone | no! Chestal says that yesterday |
| 01:01.33 | Patlabor221 | dud chestal change it recently? |
| 01:01.39 | Tupone | no |
| 01:01.49 | Patlabor221 | then it's a feature |
| 01:02.11 | Tupone | You have to get the number of people you killed, multiply by your Score |
| 01:02.30 | McChat | oh okay |
| 01:02.37 | McChat | and that figure resets every new rabbit? |
| 01:02.38 | Tupone | its not the best but it is a metrics |
| 01:02.53 | Patlabor221 | it used to just be highest score I know this for a fact |
| 01:02.58 | McChat | okay |
| 01:03.03 | Tupone | Rabbit become rogue only when killed |
| 01:03.17 | McChat | of course |
| 01:03.27 | Tupone | whenever need to elect a new rabbit, that formula are taken into account |
| 01:03.44 | Tupone | only between live player |
| 01:03.54 | McChat | what about the player who has 0-2 w/l ratio? |
| 01:03.58 | Patlabor221 | Apthay begs to differ on that case Tupone |
| 01:04.07 | McChat | nwith a better w/l ratio |
| 01:04.28 | Tupone | I have not read the code, just what I understand from Chestal writing |
| 01:04.45 | McChat | okay |
| 01:05.00 | McChat | anybody know where one can find a document on the mode of gameplay? |
| 01:05.32 | Patlabor221 | there may be one in wiki |
| 01:05.39 | Patlabor221 | or mention of it int he man/HTML docs |
| 01:05.49 | McChat | they aren't included |
| 01:05.54 | McChat | at least the shortcuts don't work |
| 01:06.03 | Patlabor221 | what installer did you get? |
| 01:06.11 | Patlabor221 | 1.10.0-0 or 1.10.0-1 ? |
| 01:06.52 | McChat | 1.10.0-0 |
| 01:07.00 | Patlabor221 | get -1 |
| 01:07.02 | McChat | does that make all the difference? |
| 01:07.09 | Patlabor221 | -0 had some issues |
| 01:07.12 | Patlabor221 | one was that HTML |
| 01:07.16 | Patlabor221 | and the server is borked |
| 01:07.33 | McChat | oh |
| 01:07.50 | McChat | The reason I got 1.10.0-0 was that 1.10.0-1 isn't on the downloads server |
| 01:08.04 | Tupone | Patlabor221: translation strings are all there, deutch translation is missing. You were right! |
| 01:08.05 | Patlabor221 | it is now |
| 01:08.21 | Patlabor221 | Tupone, I am just very lucky :) |
| 01:08.24 | McChat | oh I see it |
| 01:08.29 | McChat | downloaded, installing |
| 01:08.33 | McChat | I'll be right back |
| 01:08.34 | Tupone | :) |
| 01:08.52 | Patlabor221 | McChat, when I put up -1 I removed -0 |
| 01:08.52 | Patlabor221 | so you never had a choice |
| 01:10.12 | McChat | I did---but I was using SourceForge |
| 01:10.33 | Tupone | tapo: want to contribute to german translation? |
| 01:11.22 | Patlabor221 | ~X en de Big missile that what kicks our butts |
| 01:11.31 | Patlabor221 | there ya go |
| 01:11.38 | Patlabor221 | one german tranlation :) |
| 01:12.20 | Tupone | I prefer human to translate (Chestal, tapo, ..) |
| 01:13.07 | Patlabor221 | your saying ibot isn't human |
| 01:13.11 | Patlabor221 | ~who is your daddy? |
| 01:13.13 | | YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 01:13.19 | Patlabor221 | see, she's human |
| 01:13.23 | Patlabor221 | having human parents |
| 01:13.35 | Patlabor221 | she just dosn't get out a lot |
| 01:15.46 | Tupone | g'bye |
| 01:16.22 | McChat | back |
| 01:16.38 | McChat | nope, nothing at all to do with the win ratio multiplied by score :( |
| 01:16.43 | Tupone | Pat 's gone |
| 01:16.49 | McChat | I'm clueless---I'm the ONLY person who can't be the rabbit |
| 01:16.56 | McChat | well, no |
| 01:16.59 | McChat | I take that back |
| 01:17.04 | McChat | a couple of other folks can't either |
| 01:17.06 | McChat | but mostly me |
| 01:17.12 | McChat | (because I mostly play) |
| 01:17.13 | McChat | heh |
| 01:17.17 | McChat | well, bye for now |
| 01:17.21 | Tupone | bye |
| 01:17.23 | McChat | I guess I'll keep trying |
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| 01:20.00 | HEINOLA | woohoo |
| 01:20.09 | HEINOLA | i am realy bad at bzflag now |
| 01:20.31 | HEINOLA | just give the bots my name instead |
| 01:20.33 | HEINOLA | lol |
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| 01:32.38 | Tupone | MrApa I have still some time :) |
| 01:33.20 | Tupone | MrApathyCream: |
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| 01:58.19 | strayer | good morning :o) |
| 02:00.17 | Noodleman | still lotsa people playing 1.7 :-) |
| 02:01.21 | Noodleman | with the next release that fixes any blocker bugs, can we do something that will make the 1.7 people switch over? |
| 02:01.29 | Noodleman | or is that out of the question? |
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| 02:02.00 | shkoo | noodle |
| 02:02.04 | Noodleman | hey |
| 02:02.15 | shkoo | do you just get your stats off the servers' scoreboard? |
| 02:02.38 | strayer | Noodleman: 1.7 has the advantage that configuring is much easier.. :) |
| 02:02.40 | Noodleman | i'm not 100% sure how the code works |
| 02:02.47 | Noodleman | strayer: hehe |
| 02:03.10 | shkoo | oh, i thought you were the stats guy. :) |
| 02:03.15 | Noodleman | shkoo: i am :-) |
| 02:03.28 | Noodleman | but the backend code is a hacked bzfquery.pl |
| 02:03.53 | Noodleman | i didn't write bzfquery.pl, i only hacked it into an OO perl module |
| 02:03.58 | strayer | Noodleman: do U have a php-file that works like the bzfquery.pl? (I am working on one) |
| 02:04.15 | Noodleman | i have jzaun's old code if you want it |
| 02:04.22 | Noodleman | i have no idea how that code works |
| 02:04.31 | shkoo | oh, ok. so it probably just pulls the scoreboard. |
| 02:04.38 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 02:05.06 | strayer | jzaun's old code doesn't work any longer...that's why I am writing a new one :/ |
| 02:05.29 | Noodleman | ah |
| 02:05.48 | shkoo | i'm a stats junkie, so i'm working on making some neat stats stuff for secretplace, and i'm thinking maybe it might be cool if there was a cross-server stats site or something that it could interface to |
| 02:06.03 | shkoo | stuff like who does better against whom with which flags and stuff |
| 02:06.27 | shkoo | but, that's a lot of data. :) |
| 02:06.38 | Noodleman | as soon as i can talk with [dmp], i might be able to get the ladder working again |
| 02:07.02 | Noodleman | we might be able to have a stats supersite :-) |
| 02:07.09 | strayer | really?...dmp didn't sound interested in running the laddeer again |
| 02:07.19 | shkoo | neat. |
| 02:07.26 | Noodleman | yeah, i was thinking of integrating his code into s.b.o |
| 02:07.34 | Noodleman | if he gives the ok |
| 02:07.42 | strayer | ah..ok |
| 02:08.09 | strayer | Noodleman: http://strayer.de/snippets/bzflag/test-1.php > still a lot of work to do... |
| 02:08.29 | Noodleman | coolage :-) |
| 02:08.40 | Noodleman | maybe you could write that as a class |
| 02:08.44 | Noodleman | that would be sweet |
| 02:09.00 | strayer | hm...I will see... |
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| 02:09.11 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 02:09.25 | Noodleman | strayer: do you think i could have a look at that code? |
| 02:09.39 | strayer | now...or when I finished it? |
| 02:09.59 | Noodleman | i wouldn't mind having an early look at it if you don't |
| 02:11.20 | strayer | hm...I should 'tidy up' the code before... :o) > it looks quite confusing at the moment :) |
| 02:11.40 | Noodleman | i love a challenge :-) |
| 02:13.05 | strayer | lol...ok > I will give U the code tomorrow..is this ok? |
| 02:13.11 | Noodleman | that's fine |
| 02:14.02 | strayer | if I had the time to finish U can make it well structured....and if it's not done until then U have the unique chace to complete it :o) |
| 02:14.13 | strayer | chace=chance |
| 02:14.16 | Noodleman | haha |
| 02:14.18 | Noodleman | ok :-) |
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| 03:06.41 | Grumbler | its official, i really hate the HiX map... |
| 03:06.59 | Grumbler | even worse with the new "random" spawn |
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| 03:19.51 | strayer | Noodleman: so...now I have the server-style (or configuration or however U will call it) and all the information U can get from the list-string, the team- and common player-information from the server request -> so I 'only' need the player details :o) |
| 03:20.16 | Noodleman | :-) |
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| 03:20.46 | Grumbler | ~seen learner |
| 03:20.51 | | learner is currently on #project24 (2d 1h 56m 33s) #bzflag (2d 1h 56m 33s). Has said a total of 316 messages. Is idling for 5h 21m 17s |
| 03:20.56 | Grumbler | ~seen brlcad |
| 03:20.57 | | brlcad <~brlcad@chr160dhcp1509.chrchv01.md.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 6h 12m 39s ago, saying: 'how about a field in player that just keeps track of the previous flag (regardless of what it was)'. |
| 03:21.20 | Patlabor221 | ohh man |
| 03:21.26 | Grumbler | ? |
| 03:21.37 | Patlabor221 | anyone want to anwser questions on how to partition a drive |
| 03:21.40 | Patlabor221 | for debian? |
| 03:21.55 | Patlabor221 | im in cfdisk right now |
| 03:22.03 | Patlabor221 | I need 3 partitions right? |
| 03:22.43 | Grumbler | i have done linux......some time ago |
| 03:22.55 | Patlabor221 | what are you running now? |
| 03:22.58 | strayer | ...it's 4:20am now and I go to bed...good night... X-] |
| 03:23.03 | Grumbler | mixed |
| 03:23.19 | Grumbler | laptop is linux rh9, desktop xp pro |
| 03:23.54 | Grumbler | and i believe i only used 2 partitions on the laptop.....let me check......if you think it will help |
| 03:24.48 | Patlabor221 | I recall boot, root, and swap |
| 03:25.34 | Grumbler | i have three |
| 03:25.39 | Grumbler | "/" |
| 03:25.48 | Grumbler | "/boot" |
| 03:25.53 | Patlabor221 | it's a 60 so I did a 100 meg boot, a 50 gig "/" and a 900 meg swap |
| 03:26.19 | Patlabor221 | or maybe that's a 9 gig swap |
| 03:26.22 | Grumbler | this drive is small(4g).....the third partition is unused presently |
| 03:26.29 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 03:26.44 | Grumbler | boot is 1 g |
| 03:27.21 | Grumbler | take that back, / is 3.9 g, /boot is 100m |
| 03:27.24 | Grumbler | 100M |
| 03:27.31 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 03:27.37 | Patlabor221 | thats what I have |
| 03:27.41 | Grumbler | it was "automagically" setup by redhat in 9 |
| 03:27.49 | Patlabor221 | yeah disk druid |
| 03:28.44 | Patlabor221 | can you see what "type" the boot and "/" ones are |
| 03:28.50 | Patlabor221 | are they "linux" ? |
| 03:29.55 | Grumbler | hmmm, yes if ext3=linux |
| 03:30.08 | Patlabor221 | that is the format not the partiion type IIRC |
| 03:30.24 | Noodleman | woosh! |
| 03:30.41 | Grumbler | yeah, not something i dabble in that often |
| 03:30.44 | Patlabor221 | there is noodleman |
| 03:30.46 | Patlabor221 | he is smart |
| 03:30.48 | Patlabor221 | he can make it go |
| 03:30.52 | Noodleman | haha |
| 03:30.52 | Grumbler | hahah |
| 03:30.58 | Patlabor221 | noodleman how many partitions do I need for linux? |
| 03:31.03 | Patlabor221 | 2 or 3? |
| 03:31.15 | Noodleman | on a desktop, i just have 1 swap and one / |
| 03:31.28 | Noodleman | on a server, i like to have swap, /, /home, and /var |
| 03:31.28 | Patlabor221 | what is a "boot" partition? |
| 03:31.41 | Noodleman | oh yeah, and /boot |
| 03:31.46 | Noodleman | just for kicks and grins |
| 03:31.53 | Patlabor221 | I did 3 |
| 03:31.58 | Patlabor221 | 100 megs for boot |
| 03:32.03 | Patlabor221 | 50 gigs for / |
| 03:32.11 | Patlabor221 | and 9 gigs or so for swap |
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| 03:32.25 | Noodleman | that is so that you can set /boot to not mount automatically, so you don't accidentally delete your kernel if you do rm -fr / |
| 03:32.28 | Nothingman | howdy, all |
| 03:32.33 | Nothingman | lol |
| 03:32.41 | Nothingman | your name looks like a parody of mine... |
| 03:32.48 | Noodleman | haha |
| 03:32.53 | Patlabor221 | or yours of his |
| 03:32.54 | Noodleman | i had my name first :-) |
| 03:33.02 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: yesyesyesyesyes? |
| 03:33.08 | Nothingman | heh |
| 03:33.11 | Patlabor221 | I think noodleman answerd it |
| 03:33.14 | Nothingman | mine's after the Pearl Jam song |
| 03:33.23 | Patlabor221 | was asking how many partitions I needed |
| 03:33.32 | Patlabor221 | I made 3 |
| 03:33.47 | captain_proton | thats usually what i do |
| 03:33.56 | Patlabor221 | 100 meg boot |
| 03:33.59 | Patlabor221 | 50 gig / |
| 03:34.00 | Noodleman | mine's after my own weird volition :-) |
| 03:34.05 | Patlabor221 | and 9 or so gig swap |
| 03:34.09 | Noodleman | therefore, mine's unique :-) |
| 03:34.28 | Grumbler | isnt there a limit to max swap space.....or is that just for the older linux kernels |
| 03:34.39 | captain_proton | it really doesn't matter how you partition |
| 03:34.43 | captain_proton | so long as it works |
| 03:34.46 | Noodleman | i'm sure there's a limit somewhere |
| 03:34.59 | Tupone | Patlabor221: I think / is too big |
| 03:35.07 | Grumbler | yeah, i had a project where we kept blowing all our swap.....had to upgrade kernels |
| 03:35.10 | Nothingman | anyway, the reason I'm in here is that any server I try bzflag with either gives me a connection error or says the server is incompatible -- and people from this room earlier were telling me to try specific servers which were supposed to be 1.10.0 -- I just emerged bzflag for the first time at 1.10.0, and I've never played before |
| 03:35.11 | Patlabor221 | 50 gig? |
| 03:35.17 | Patlabor221 | isn't theat where all the stuff goes? |
| 03:36.11 | Tupone | problem is that it is the first partition, so if file system is not ok, you have to go single user to check and repair it |
| 03:36.30 | Patlabor221 | the first partition is the 100 meg bootable one |
| 03:36.38 | Patlabor221 | then the 50 gig |
| 03:36.41 | Patlabor221 | then the 9 gig |
| 03:36.42 | Tupone | that is not even mounted |
| 03:36.56 | Tupone | I mean time, first in time |
| 03:37.37 | Patlabor221 | well if it does take a dump I'll just be redoing it :) |
| 03:37.47 | captain_proton | Tupone: thats why journalling file systems are good ;) |
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| 03:38.04 | Patlabor221 | it only gave me the option of EX2 |
| 03:38.06 | Tupone | but they are not safe for ever |
| 03:38.10 | Patlabor221 | IIRC EX3 was "the shit" |
| 03:38.16 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you'll want to convert that to ext3 soonish |
| 03:38.17 | scanline | EX3? |
| 03:38.23 | scanline | :) |
| 03:38.25 | Patlabor221 | sorry |
| 03:38.28 | Patlabor221 | yeahg ext3 |
| 03:38.40 | bryjen | 3 is 2 with journaling |
| 03:40.05 | bryjen | unless you're not talking linux filesystems |
| 03:40.12 | Grumbler | 2.4.x and 2.5.x support swap spaces of up 64Gb in size |
| 03:40.47 | Grumbler | you can add swap space later with mkswap, if you decide you need it |
| 03:41.13 | Patlabor221 | is 9 gig enough? |
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| 03:41.20 | bryjen | of? |
| 03:41.22 | captain_proton | 9 gig for what? |
| 03:41.25 | Patlabor221 | swap |
| 03:41.28 | bryjen | p0rn? |
| 03:41.32 | Patlabor221 | it was a 60 gig drive |
| 03:41.37 | Patlabor221 | or is a 60 |
| 03:41.40 | Noodleman | D00D! they have deloreans on ebay! |
| 03:41.45 | Grumbler | should be......most of the time i only get over 1g if i am running an intensive simulation |
| 03:42.06 | captain_proton | 9 is a bit excessive |
| 03:42.10 | captain_proton | usually one does 2* ram |
| 03:42.15 | Grumbler | but i dont get into web stuff, so i dont know there |
| 03:42.21 | Patlabor221 | ohh well |
| 03:42.25 | Patlabor221 | it's just drive space |
| 03:42.28 | bryjen | somewheres they they recommends..... ah, what cap said |
| 03:42.28 | captain_proton | but it never hurts to have more |
| 03:42.41 | Patlabor221 | I thought I was doing 900 megs but I did too many 0s |
| 03:42.53 | Grumbler | if a program goes rogue, it could take a while for the system to correct with that large a space |
| 03:43.04 | Grumbler | haha |
| 03:43.38 | bryjen | woe unto he who /uses/ that much swap. buy more RAMs if you need 'em. they're cheap. |
| 03:43.45 | Grumbler | Noodleman: deloreans.....thought they went back to the future :) |
| 03:43.56 | Patlabor221 | it has 384 megs in it |
| 03:44.55 | Noodleman | Grumbler: yeah :-) |
| 03:45.03 | Noodleman | i wanna fit one out like the one in back to the future |
| 03:45.15 | Noodleman | i don't think i'm competent enough tho, i'd have to be able to work on it myself :-) |
| 03:45.39 | Grumbler | haha, good luck |
| 03:46.03 | Grumbler | didnt get around to answering nothingman's question.... |
| 03:46.19 | Noodleman | i wonder if the doors make the same sound when you open them as they do in the movie... |
| 03:47.03 | Grumbler | maybe |
| 03:49.00 | Grumbler | Noodleman: this is the toy i am currently dealing on http://www.autoend.com/minicooper/index6.html |
| 03:49.36 | Grumbler | or this http://www.autoend.com/minicooper/index1.html |
| 03:50.08 | Noodleman | i'd still rather have a delorean :-) |
| 03:50.42 | Grumbler | i dont know, the cooper is an aweful lot of fun to drive......and it gets good mpg |
| 03:51.02 | Grumbler | http://autoz.org/w/mini/Mini_Cooper_S_John_Cooper_Works_2003_045.jpg |
| 03:51.47 | Grumbler | http://autoz.org/w/mini/Mini_Cooper_S_John_Cooper_Works_2003_047.jpg |
| 03:54.08 | Grumbler | dang, my PC is not even out of manufacturing yet......aaaarrrrrggggg |
| 03:54.36 | Patlabor221 | what did you order? |
| 03:55.07 | Grumbler | its the same alienware i was talking about 2+ weeks ago......arrrrgggg |
| 03:55.08 | bryjen | dhude, are you gettin a dhell ? |
| 03:55.15 | bryjen | ;) |
| 03:55.33 | Grumbler | nah, i would have......prior history pretty good.......but i went alien |
| 03:55.43 | Noodleman | bryjen: :-P |
| 03:56.34 | bryjen | alien? what's interplanetary shipping cost these days? ;) |
| 03:56.53 | bryjen | ooh, "free for the holidays" |
| 03:56.53 | Grumbler | not much, but he anal probing is a little disconcerting |
| 03:57.04 | Patlabor221 | it's not bad if you ship IPS "plasma" rate |
| 03:58.05 | bryjen | I prefer 5dEx (Fifth Dimension Express) :) |
| 03:58.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah but sometmes the lose it and the package guy |
| 03:58.47 | Grumbler | i heard a rumour that the UPS "wormhole" guy actually got things working..... |
| 03:59.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:59.16 | Patlabor221 | cept when the deliver it before you order it |
| 03:59.43 | Grumbler | so long as they take the money after i order, i am cool with it :) |
| 04:00.33 | Patlabor221 | !roulette |
| 04:00.34 | guu | Patlabor221: *click* |
| 04:00.54 | Grumbler | !roulette |
| 04:00.55 | guu | Grumbler: *click* |
| 04:01.07 | Grumbler | whew |
| 04:01.08 | orchid | !roulette |
| 04:01.09 | guu | orchid: *click* |
| 04:01.13 | orchid | yay |
| 04:01.48 | Patlabor221 | !roulette |
| 04:01.48 | guu | Patlabor221: *click* |
| 04:02.00 | Grumbler | oh man |
| 04:02.02 | Grumbler | !roulette |
| 04:02.03 | guu | Grumbler: *click* |
| 04:02.06 | orchid | !roulette |
| 04:02.07 | guu | orchid: *click* |
| 04:02.09 | Patlabor221 | !roulette |
| 04:02.09 | guu | Patlabor221: *click* |
| 04:02.16 | Grumbler | !roulette |
| 04:02.17 | guu | Grumbler: *click* |
| 04:02.28 | orchid | see, its wrong, shouldnt be random. |
| 04:02.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah it should |
| 04:02.44 | Patlabor221 | you spin it before |
| 04:02.49 | orchid | oh |
| 04:02.51 | orchid | right |
| 04:02.55 | Patlabor221 | it just dosn't go "whiiiirrrrrrr" |
| 04:03.03 | orchid | like ive played this before :) |
| 04:03.12 | orchid | !roulette |
| 04:03.13 | Patlabor221 | yeah but I know you have seen movies |
| 04:03.13 | guu | orchid: *click* |
| 04:03.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah but I know you have seen movies |
| 04:03.21 | Patlabor221 | !roulette |
| 04:03.21 | *** kick/#bzflag [Patlabor221!~girlbot@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca] by guu (BANG!) |
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| 04:03.30 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 04:03.33 | Patlabor221 | awww |
| 04:03.34 | orchid | :) |
| 04:04.03 | Patlabor221 | this sucks I am still hungry |
| 04:04.04 | Grumbler | that'll teach yah.... :) |
| 04:04.09 | Patlabor221 | I know I should not eat tho |
| 04:04.15 | Grumbler | afterlife can be that way |
| 04:04.45 | Patlabor221 | how do you know this isn't my afterdeath? |
| 04:05.03 | Noodleman | haha |
| 04:05.05 | Grumbler | because i am here |
| 04:05.10 | Noodleman | !roulette |
| 04:05.10 | guu | Noodleman: *click* |
| 04:05.23 | Grumbler | this could be my hell though...... |
| 04:05.32 | Noodleman | !roulette |
| 04:05.32 | *** kick/#bzflag [Noodleman!~girlbot@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca] by guu (BANG!) |
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| 04:05.34 | Grumbler | could explain that rash... |
| 04:05.37 | Patlabor221 | just cus you and I are here does not mean we are both "alive" |
| 04:05.48 | Patlabor221 | undeath makes things so much interesting |
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| 04:06.12 | Patlabor221 | !roulette |
| 04:06.12 | *** kick/#bzflag [Patlabor221!~girlbot@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca] by guu (BANG!) |
| 04:06.14 | Grumbler | ....thinks of haibanne rennmai (sp) |
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| 04:06.27 | Grumbler | blew the spelling on that one |
| 04:06.28 | GenRommel | hello |
| 04:06.32 | orchid | hi |
| 04:06.32 | Patlabor221 | see I told you debian hates me |
| 04:07.02 | GenRommel | does anyone have a problem seeing flags on 1.10? |
| 04:07.16 | orchid | GenRommel, nope |
| 04:07.37 | Grumbler | no, you have hit the h or j keys....they make things disappear |
| 04:07.42 | orchid | theres a key that toggles viewing them though |
| 04:07.46 | Grumbler | i think its h or j |
| 04:07.47 | GenRommel | orchid - it's very funny - I can see flags on top of tanks, but not on the ground - for all video resolutions |
| 04:07.55 | GenRommel | hmmm... |
| 04:07.58 | Patlabor221 | then you togled them |
| 04:07.59 | GenRommel | let me try |
| 04:08.01 | GenRommel | brb |
| 04:08.03 | Patlabor221 | it's a "feature" |
| 04:08.04 | orchid | yeah what Grumbler said |
| 04:08.11 | GenRommel | i might have toggled it by accident |
| 04:08.17 | GenRommel | dumb feature though... |
| 04:08.35 | Grumbler | not during rabbit hunt, cant find the tank otherwise |
| 04:08.45 | orchid | well its good sometimes, on maps with too many flags |
| 04:09.44 | GenRommel | it's true orchid - i can see flags either visually or on the radar :) |
| 04:10.07 | orchid | id worry more about bullets |
| 04:10.19 | Grumbler | ditto that orchid |
| 04:10.23 | Patlabor221 | flags have metal in them? |
| 04:10.31 | Patlabor221 | how do they show on radar? |
| 04:11.38 | Grumbler | during the early years they found the flags lasted longer when made with steel fibers sewn in the outer hem, it help preserve the flag's integrity when a tank rolled over it. |
| 04:13.03 | Patlabor221 | brb, sustinance time |
| 04:14.18 | Grumbler | come on and zooma zooma zooma zoom |
| 04:18.23 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-96-102.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 04:29.01 | bryjen | might the flag _poles_ be metal ? |
| 04:30.43 | Patlabor221 | mmmmm red and chunky, just the way I like it |
| 04:31.26 | Patlabor221 | tis sustinance |
| 04:31.31 | Patlabor221 | thru a straw :) |
| 04:35.40 | Patlabor221 | so linux swap space is where it dumps out for virtual memory right? like the pagefile I'm used to? |
| 04:36.16 | bryjen | yes |
| 04:36.46 | bryjen | although 'doze uses a file and linux usually dedicates a disk partition to aviod filesystem overhead |
| 04:37.08 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 04:37.17 | Patlabor221 | wonder how much that really is? |
| 04:37.22 | Patlabor221 | the overhead |
| 04:38.15 | bryjen | i think its was about a filesystem may need to alloc memory to do its thing, and that's probly not something to be doing in the middle of a swapout |
| 04:38.31 | Patlabor221 | makes sense |
| 04:39.32 | bryjen | although you can do swap _files_ too, so maybe its not such a big thing. maybe it was an old restriction |
| 04:40.16 | Patlabor221 | as long as it works :) |
| 04:40.48 | Patlabor221 | well with this 9 gig swap maybe I can do some big ass radiosity lightmap calcs :) |
| 04:42.13 | bryjen | if your dataset is that big and its using gigs of swap, how many orders-of-magnitude slower are disk accesses to chips accesses? :) |
| 04:42.17 | Patlabor221 | that may take a year |
| 04:42.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:42.49 | Patlabor221 | I'll probably be changing drives later so I'll redo it better next time |
| 04:42.59 | Patlabor221 | I thought I was doing 900 megs |
| 04:43.04 | Patlabor221 | too many 0s |
| 04:43.44 | bryjen | ide disk space is cheap too :) |
| 04:43.51 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:44.02 | Patlabor221 | forgot this was a 60 gig drive |
| 04:44.36 | bryjen | i think they go up to 250 or 300 now |
| 04:46.23 | Patlabor221 | 320 |
| 04:46.43 | Patlabor221 | 250' |
| 04:46.49 | Patlabor221 | 250s are kinda cheap |
| 04:46.53 | Patlabor221 | under 200 |
| 04:48.58 | captain_proton | looks like 180 are cheapest / g right now |
| 04:49.18 | captain_proton | err, 160 |
| 04:51.16 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:04.39 | creeperz | patlabor221 said a prayer :-) |
| 05:05.29 | captain_proton | congratulations Patlabor221, consider yourself converted! |
| 05:06.00 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 05:06.12 | Patlabor221 | didn't say who I was praying too now did I? |
| 05:06.29 | creeperz | haha |
| 05:06.34 | Patlabor221 | prayer, spell, wish the all have a common base |
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| 05:12.15 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 05:12.24 | captain_proton | does anybody remember if there's a way to get sf tracker activity in RSS? |
| 05:15.27 | bryjen | odd. hashmark 1.10 shows 255 out of 4 purple tanks |
| 05:16.04 | Patlabor221 | there is |
| 05:16.10 | Patlabor221 | guu was able to do something with it |
| 05:16.10 | guu | Patlabor221: Error: 'was' is not a valid command. |
| 05:16.29 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 05:16.32 | captain_proton | remember -where- ? |
| 05:16.50 | bryjen | there aren't really any purple tanks tho.. |
| 05:16.57 | captain_proton | or did they scratch that? |
| 05:16.57 | Patlabor221 | no I don't |
| 05:18.27 | Patlabor221 | Tim did it |
| 05:18.34 | Patlabor221 | I don't remember how tho |
| 05:37.07 | chatelaine | captain_proton: does sf have an RSS feed for the bug tracker? |
| 05:38.11 | captain_proton | chatelaine: its looking like no :P |
| 05:38.24 | captain_proton | i was hoping so, because that would make adding tracker support to the new CIA really easy |
| 05:38.35 | captain_proton | (just a poller + xslt stylesheet) |
| 05:40.19 | chatelaine | !alias add sf RSS http://sourceforge.net/export/rss2_projfiles.php?group_id=3248 |
| 05:40.19 | guu | chatelaine: The operation succeeded. |
| 05:40.24 | chatelaine | !sf |
| 05:40.25 | guu | chatelaine: Mac OS X 1.10.0 released (Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:05:44 GMT) :: win32 1.10.0 released (Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:00:00 GMT) :: source rpm 1.10.0 released (Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:34:19 GMT) :: i386 rpm gcc3 ABI (redhat 8+) 1.10.0 released (Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:29:12 GMT) :: source 1.10.0 released (Tue, 09 Dec 2003 07:00:00 GMT) :: Mac OS X 1.7g2 released (Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:33:36 (1 more message) |
| 05:40.41 | chatelaine | !alias remove sf |
| 05:40.41 | guu | chatelaine: The operation succeeded. |
| 05:43.51 | captain_proton | hmm, though the export page claims tracker stuff works |
| 05:46.49 | captain_proton | i dunno if its available in rss, but it looks like one can snag all the tracker/file/etc data in one huge xml file |
| 06:06.33 | Patlabor221 | how would I find out what kernel I have to know what kernel source I need to get? |
| 06:06.42 | captain_proton | uname -a |
| 06:07.11 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 06:07.23 | Patlabor221 | seems I need that to install the nvidias |
| 06:08.07 | Patlabor221 | hmm seems I don't have the latest kernel |
| 06:08.22 | Patlabor221 | well I shan't worry about uping it now, as that scares me |
| 06:08.28 | MrApathyCream | grrr sf is down |
| 06:10.02 | Patlabor221 | yet the status page says it's up :) |
| 06:16.20 | MrApathyCream | someone things MQ screws up team kill counting :) |
| 06:21.13 | MrApathyCream | backup |
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| 06:26.05 | Patlabor221 | well debian still hates me |
| 06:26.37 | MrApathyCream | thats what you get for straying |
| 06:26.47 | HEINOLA | is this 1.10.0 a new bzflag version |
| 06:26.54 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 06:27.03 | HEINOLA | stable ? |
| 06:27.06 | Patlabor221 | MrApathyCream, this is for another machine |
| 06:27.09 | Patlabor221 | it is what it is |
| 06:27.26 | Patlabor221 | I don't think we have ever called any bzflag version "stable" |
| 06:27.34 | HEINOLA | lol |
| 06:27.40 | Patlabor221 | it's totaly incompatable with 1.7x |
| 06:27.49 | JBdiGriz | i don't think we have called any of the developers "stable" |
| 06:27.50 | Patlabor221 | so if a server upgrades you gotta too |
| 06:28.01 | HEINOLA | is there a mass migration to the 1.10.0 |
| 06:28.11 | Patlabor221 | MrApathyCream, ryoko and mihoshi will still be XP |
| 06:28.18 | JBdiGriz | somewhat akin to lemmings |
| 06:28.20 | Patlabor221 | again depends on servers |
| 06:28.24 | HEINOLA | ty |
| 06:28.31 | Patlabor221 | xmission and ducati upgraded |
| 06:28.45 | HEINOLA | ok i better get it then |
| 06:28.47 | HEINOLA | ty |
| 06:28.54 | JBdiGriz | ducati is running both |
| 06:29.06 | Patlabor221 | ahh still |
| 06:29.11 | Patlabor221 | thought he was gonna update both |
| 06:29.36 | HEINOLA | so the older version come up in the find server area as well as the 1.10.0 servers |
| 06:29.44 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 06:29.49 | Patlabor221 | they each have tehre own list server |
| 06:29.52 | Patlabor221 | so no mixing |
| 06:29.59 | HEINOLA | thats nice |
| 06:30.02 | Patlabor221 | 1.7 will show the 1.7 servers 1.10 will show it's servers |
| 06:30.10 | Patlabor221 | it'll just take a while to do it |
| 06:30.36 | MrApathyCream | JBdiGriz: :) |
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| 06:30.50 | HEINOLA | downloading as we speak |
| 06:30.53 | JBdiGriz | You can always tell a windows user |
| 06:31.03 | JBdiGriz | but you can't tell them much :) |
| 06:31.20 | Patlabor221 | yeah we hate to read |
| 06:31.26 | Patlabor221 | but will click really well |
| 06:32.19 | JBdiGriz | I thought you spent half your clicks trying to figure out which mouse button you really meant to push. :) |
| 06:32.36 | Patlabor221 | nope, we got that down |
| 06:32.46 | Patlabor221 | unline the macs where 2 buttons was too many |
| 06:32.52 | JBdiGriz | You're one of the advanced windows users. |
| 06:33.07 | JBdiGriz | Macs understand the average computer user. |
| 06:33.14 | Patlabor221 | hey that's why people asign windows "bugs" to me :) |
| 06:33.47 | Patlabor221 | MrApathyCream, In cvs I uncommented out the socketlen thing, as it seesm most people have the old SDK |
| 06:33.54 | Patlabor221 | you'll just have to comment it out |
| 06:34.02 | Patlabor221 | went for the smaller group |
| 06:34.25 | HEINOLA | well i trying to make the move to linux :) |
| 06:34.35 | Patlabor221 | what one? |
| 06:34.58 | HEINOLA | well i am running mandrake but... |
| 06:35.11 | HEINOLA | i might migrate to slackware this coming week |
| 06:35.23 | Patlabor221 | I have a full install of Debian here |
| 06:35.31 | Patlabor221 | and it's basicly useless to me now |
| 06:36.01 | Patlabor221 | slackware is downloading now |
| 06:36.10 | HEINOLA | i tried to install debian but i could not get my xserver to run |
| 06:36.18 | JBdiGriz | it's easily installed over. get a real os. |
| 06:36.19 | Patlabor221 | that is my problem |
| 06:36.34 | HEINOLA | i really tried not my ussual give up in 3 sec try |
| 06:37.02 | MrApathyCream | saw it |
| 06:37.14 | Patlabor221 | JBdiGriz, what would you sugest for a P3 700 with a GF2ultra? |
| 06:37.33 | HEINOLA | just couldnt get my ati drivers to install in debain |
| 06:37.44 | HEINOLA | i liked the installer thoe |
| 06:37.46 | Patlabor221 | well they are AIT |
| 06:38.05 | Patlabor221 | I have never had any ATI drivers work for me |
| 06:38.14 | Patlabor221 | they could not even draw a textured box properly |
| 06:38.21 | HEINOLA | :) |
| 06:38.35 | JBdiGriz | What chipset is that |
| 06:38.43 | HEINOLA | on mandrake they work ok |
| 06:38.50 | Patlabor221 | I guess to them GL_CLAMP means "blend to black" |
| 06:39.15 | HEINOLA | better than they do for win |
| 06:39.25 | Patlabor221 | I was on windows at the time |
| 06:39.31 | Patlabor221 | on a 9700 |
| 06:39.36 | HEINOLA | ill have to move to NV |
| 06:39.51 | Patlabor221 | every time I opend the driver controll panel the screen would flicker 15 times |
| 06:39.52 | HEINOLA | 8500 |
| 06:40.04 | Patlabor221 | I gave the card away |
| 06:40.14 | HEINOLA | it runs better in lin than win |
| 06:40.25 | HEINOLA | for me |
| 06:40.37 | Patlabor221 | all my nvidias run fine in both OSes |
| 06:40.42 | Patlabor221 | when the drivers from the site can install |
| 06:40.52 | HEINOLA | i need a NV better than my old GF2mx200 |
| 06:40.57 | Patlabor221 | seems the "debs" for the nvidias are not all that set up |
| 06:41.05 | Patlabor221 | get a FX 5700 |
| 06:41.09 | Patlabor221 | good bang for buck |
| 06:41.41 | HEINOLA | i was just looking at a gf4mx440 |
| 06:41.52 | HEINOLA | lol |
| 06:41.52 | Patlabor221 | it's not much speed over a 2 |
| 06:41.58 | Patlabor221 | no real new chipset features |
| 06:42.10 | Patlabor221 | if you want to stay low go for a FX5200 or 5300 |
| 06:42.14 | HEINOLA | :( |
| 06:42.14 | Patlabor221 | at least then you get shaders |
| 06:42.24 | Patlabor221 | or see if you can find a cheap GF3 or 4 |
| 06:42.25 | HEINOLA | whats the going for a 5700 |
| 06:42.30 | Patlabor221 | the MX line has no shaders |
| 06:43.15 | Patlabor221 | just over 150 |
| 06:43.30 | Patlabor221 | a 5200 is about 60 |
| 06:43.39 | JBdiGriz | Patlabor221: http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd_1.0-4365.html |
| 06:43.44 | Patlabor221 | I run one on mihoshi and it works fine |
| 06:43.56 | HEINOLA | :/ |
| 06:44.02 | Patlabor221 | where does one get the OS jbd? |
| 06:44.08 | Patlabor221 | in bootable CD format |
| 06:44.14 | HEINOLA | well the 5200 i could fudge |
| 06:44.30 | Patlabor221 | what games do you play? |
| 06:44.34 | Patlabor221 | just BZ? |
| 06:45.10 | HEINOLA | wolfet |
| 06:45.17 | HEINOLA | bz |
| 06:45.27 | HEINOLA | most my games are in win |
| 06:45.33 | JBdiGriz | http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.9R/announce.html |
| 06:45.35 | HEINOLA | IL-2FB |
| 06:45.52 | JBdiGriz | I suppose you want me to download and burn the cd as well? :) |
| 06:46.05 | MrApathyCream | 5700 ultra = 200 |
| 06:46.10 | Patlabor221 | no, just wondering if I was looking in the right place |
| 06:46.42 | HEINOLA | thats like a new system for me lol |
| 06:47.18 | MrApathyCream | the vid card is more important than the system for bz |
| 06:47.39 | HEINOLA | this 8500 runs well i just hope i dont have issues in slackware |
| 06:47.40 | Patlabor221 | and I want 4.9, not 5.0 or 5.1? |
| 06:47.49 | JBdiGriz | If they don't run well on a system, you should let the developers of the system and the video card manufacturers know about it. |
| 06:47.59 | JBdiGriz | Are you on a dual processor machine? |
| 06:48.10 | Patlabor221 | no just a single P3700 |
| 06:48.36 | HEINOLA | well i need to install 1.10 brb |
| 06:48.55 | JBdiGriz | 5.1 is cool, but it's still the development platform. I recommend the stable platform for people who are even slightly uncomfortable with being on the bleeding edge. |
| 06:49.08 | Patlabor221 | so 5.0? |
| 06:49.20 | Patlabor221 | or I guess there is no 5.0 |
| 06:49.22 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 06:49.24 | JBdiGriz | 5.0 is the previous release of 5.1 |
| 06:49.24 | Patlabor221 | 4.9 then |
| 06:49.49 | Patlabor221 | do I want the 2 disks? or the mini iso? |
| 06:50.27 | MrApathyCream | i wonder how many folks are play 1.7 these days |
| 06:50.31 | Patlabor221 | is the mini one of those, "get you booted then get the rest from the net" thing/ |
| 06:50.58 | Patlabor221 | hard to tell MrApathyCream, tim changed the list page |
| 06:51.06 | Patlabor221 | you could compare with stats.bzflag.org I guess |
| 06:52.28 | Patlabor221 | stats says 19 people now |
| 06:52.37 | Patlabor221 | and 19 on 1.10 |
| 06:52.46 | Patlabor221 | 1 player per server :) |
| 06:52.46 | MrApathyCream | pretty good then |
| 06:54.07 | Patlabor221 | woudl like to see the 1.7 average for today |
| 06:54.12 | Patlabor221 | on 1.10 is way down |
| 06:54.20 | Patlabor221 | 17 average |
| 06:54.37 | Patlabor221 | for 1.7 it was 50ish IRRC |
| 06:54.41 | Patlabor221 | max of 100 |
| 06:55.37 | JBdiGriz | ~bzflist |
| 06:57.42 | Patlabor221 | this is true |
| 06:57.52 | Patlabor221 | that is why I said "should" :) |
| 06:58.09 | JBdiGriz | Enjoy being "happy" :) |
| 06:58.29 | Patlabor221 | but at least major updates have been thought about |
| 06:58.47 | JBdiGriz | I can always tell a windows user. :) |
| 06:59.06 | Patlabor221 | cus clients and games are seperate |
| 06:59.08 | MrApathyCream | .me wouldn't :) |
| 06:59.24 | Patlabor221 | you would probably put the game and the client in one app too |
| 06:59.33 | JBdiGriz | Most wives have a different philosophy than Patlabor221 |
| 06:59.39 | HEINOLA | make[2]: *** [BZAdminClient.o] Error 1 |
| 06:59.42 | MrApathyCream | prolly |
| 06:59.58 | Patlabor221 | well it's a good thing I'm no longer maried then is it :) |
| 07:00.06 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:00.56 | JBdiGriz | I don't know, were you trying to play old games with new clients? :) |
| 07:01.05 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 07:01.29 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:01.33 | Patlabor221 | she was evil |
| 07:01.40 | Patlabor221 | I was duped |
| 07:01.46 | MrApathyCream | poor Patlabor221 |
| 07:01.55 | JBdiGriz | Then you are probably very lucky |
| 07:02.04 | Patlabor221 | this was 10 years ago |
| 07:02.20 | MrApathyCream | did she get the server in the divorce? |
| 07:02.43 | Patlabor221 | she stole my camera and the really cool couch |
| 07:03.03 | Patlabor221 | I got to keep the powerbook 165 tho |
| 07:03.12 | MrApathyCream | how long were you married? |
| 07:03.14 | Patlabor221 | pinacle of tech that it was |
| 07:03.24 | Patlabor221 | just over a year |
| 07:03.32 | MrApathyCream | mm |
| 07:03.55 | Patlabor221 | in the end I was told "well I just maried you so I coudl get outa my parents house" |
| 07:04.59 | JBdiGriz | Some people are rather dim, especially if they can't figure out how to get out of their parents house. |
| 07:05.07 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:07.16 | HEINOLA | hey 1.10 is neat |
| 07:07.26 | HEINOLA | brb i got to play lol |
| 07:15.58 | Patlabor221 | yay DLS prices go down :) |
| 07:16.11 | Patlabor221 | DSL even |
| 07:16.20 | MrApathyCream | :( |
| 07:16.42 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure they will get you something |
| 07:16.51 | MrApathyCream | pony express? |
| 07:17.02 | Patlabor221 | biger cans, metal string |
| 07:17.07 | MrApathyCream | perhaps |
| 07:17.38 | Patlabor221 | just how far out there are you? |
| 07:17.54 | MrApathyCream | *shrug* |
| 07:18.06 | MrApathyCream | a mile from a numbered highway |
| 07:18.36 | Patlabor221 | how far from a town? |
| 07:18.46 | Patlabor221 | that has a telco CO? |
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| 08:02.49 | MrApathyCream | dunno |
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| 08:33.32 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (config.h): launch a salvo across patlabor's bow |
| 08:35.31 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/obstacle (PyramidBuilding.cxx): Taking flip into account better |
| 08:39.30 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): |
| 08:39.30 | CIA | relaxed most of the hard-coded autokick tolerances. |
| 08:39.31 | CIA | there were way too many false postitives (mostly due to networking delays). |
| 08:39.31 | CIA | cleaned up unnecessary message vars and strcpyies of static char arrays. |
| 08:39.32 | CIA | make kick messages less presumptuous (since they are often incorrect too). |
| 08:39.42 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/package/mac (Makefile.am): removed notes dir |
| 08:40.25 | MrApathyCream | learner is back! |
| 08:42.06 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): comment on rabbit selection |
| 08:43.54 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): tupone fixes the flipz pyr problem |
| 08:44.03 | captain_proton | looks like sf's mail server is working again |
| 08:46.01 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): recomment on rabbit selection |
| 08:54.13 | MrApathyCream | seems to me when we release the sp1 release, it should break protocol |
| 08:54.28 | MrApathyCream | otherwise we'll have unfair clients out there (ie gm bug) |
| 08:54.55 | MrApathyCream | soleeeeeeeeeeeep |
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| 09:09.10 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o larsl] by ChanServ |
| 09:09.21 | larsl | ~spell negligable |
| 09:09.23 | | possible spellings for negligable: negligible negligibly negotiable negligee eligible ineligible negligence delegable navigable gelable negligees legible likable negligently negligibility unlikable |
| 09:09.32 | larsl | ~dict nigligible |
| 09:09.35 | larsl | ~dict negligible |
| 09:09.49 | larsl | ~botsnack |
| 09:09.49 | | aw, gee, larsl |
| 09:13.39 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): i told learner... |
| 09:26.05 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): bad team size display |
| 09:43.50 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): removed the old notes dir |
| 09:52.54 | Pimpinella | ~botsmack |
| 09:52.57 | | sure, wanna snort some with me? |
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| 10:36.42 | niksie | Saddam may have been captured |
| 10:38.24 | larsl | niksie: Just read it. Odd that the americans won't confirm it though. |
| 10:39.13 | niksie | They would really look like shit if they turned out to be wrong |
| 10:39.40 | larsl | True... |
| 10:39.51 | larsl | Which would mean that they aren't completely sure yet. |
| 10:40.50 | niksie | ofcourse |
| 10:40.58 | niksie | they are appearantly going to do DNA tests |
| 10:41.54 | larsl | Or maybe they just want to wait a while so they can confirm it live on the morning news shows in the US. =) |
| 10:42.01 | niksie | heh |
| 10:42.10 | niksie | that would be about 3 hours |
| 10:52.29 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (config.h): change the socketlen_t thing around so it works for more people then just MAC |
| 11:05.42 | larsl_away | ~convert 1.3 kg to GeV |
| 11:05.50 | larsl_away | ~convert 1.3 kg to eV |
| 11:06.17 | larsl_away | ibot, E = mc^2. |
| 11:06.18 | | larsl_away: bugger all, i dunno |
| 11:06.31 | niksie | heh |
| 11:12.38 | larsl_away | ~convert 1 eV to J |
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| 12:13.43 | niksie | the US confirms |
| 12:14.19 | strayer | what?...that they cought Saddam H.? |
| 12:14.25 | niksie | yeah |
| 12:14.29 | niksie | "we got him" |
| 12:15.12 | strayer | well...that was time...after all the time and money they invested in the search |
| 12:15.32 | strayer | but now I can forget to get the head money ;o) |
| 12:15.34 | tapo | did the invest time, or did they wait? :) |
| 12:15.48 | strayer | hm...good question..hehe |
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| 12:53.38 | strayer | Noodleman: http://strayer.de/snippets/bzflag/test-1.php > the difficult stuff is nearly done...the rest is code-structure and some additional information |
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| 13:11.22 | orchid | hello |
| 13:12.31 | Tupone | ciao |
| 13:12.58 | Tupone | g'morning |
| 13:13.01 | orchid | :) |
| 13:13.23 | orchid | afternoon for you? |
| 13:13.31 | Tupone | yeah, just after lunch |
| 13:17.05 | Tupone | bzgirl: started playing on 1.10? |
| 13:17.37 | orchid | i did play a little bit on it yes |
| 13:18.13 | Tupone | still some bug and some lag |
| 13:18.36 | orchid | well lag is going to be there on any version no? |
| 13:18.59 | orchid | i dont recall if there was networking changes to this version? |
| 13:19.04 | Tupone | some report this version being more slow |
| 13:19.16 | orchid | oh, i dont notice a difference |
| 13:19.22 | orchid | not in game play |
| 13:20.06 | Tupone | no big changes on network has been done. Some one look at FPS and say is lower (or fHz how capt like) |
| 13:20.58 | orchid | i will check mine |
| 13:21.19 | orchid | but i dont think a few fps will make much difference |
| 13:21.36 | orchid | unless you are consistantly 50 fps slower |
| 13:22.03 | Tupone | I think some people like rocking |
| 13:22.17 | orchid | yup |
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| 13:22.55 | Tupone | Mac report is new video board going to 380 :) |
| 13:23.09 | orchid | really? |
| 13:23.12 | orchid | thats alot |
| 13:23.36 | orchid | i can get 500 on my laptop with all the settings set to low quality |
| 13:23.37 | Tupone | And there is no way to see that a lot, monitor goes max 100 |
| 13:24.32 | orchid | i should install 1.10 on my laptop today i guess |
| 13:24.59 | Tupone | what video you have on laptop |
| 13:25.54 | orchid | its a geforce4 64mb |
| 13:26.48 | Tupone | on laptop? cool |
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| 13:27.14 | orchid | yes, a dell laptop |
| 13:40.20 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): CONFIG variable is only used in package for irix |
| 13:40.51 | orchid | !version bzflag |
| 13:40.52 | guu | orchid: 0.76.1 |
| 13:41.33 | orchid | !debian version bzflag |
| 13:41.34 | guu | orchid: Error: Packages.debian.org is down at the moment. Please try again later. |
| 13:42.18 | Pimpinella | frank@lulu:~/download$ apt-cache policy bzflag |
| 13:42.18 | Pimpinella | bzflag: |
| 13:42.18 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.18 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.18 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.18 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.20 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.22 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.25 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.27 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.20 | orchid | e4 :) |
| 13:44.31 | Pimpinella | stable... |
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| 13:48.00 | Oman | hi all |
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| 13:51.10 | Oman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.51 | Oman | anybody home |
| 13:53.08 | Oman | i guess bye |
| 13:53.10 | Tupone | somebody home |
| 13:53.16 | Oman | oh hi |
| 13:53.44 | Tupone | got 1.10? |
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| 13:54.01 | Oman | i got 1.10 |
| 13:54.14 | Tupone | enjoyed? |
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| 13:54.17 | Oman | yeah |
| 13:54.46 | Oman | A lot of enjoyment |
| 13:55.46 | Tupone | have you found some particular problem with that, that is not well-known |
| 13:56.08 | Oman | I have a whole list of um..... |
| 13:56.38 | Oman | One is the Start sever thing won't work for me |
| 13:57.03 | Oman | I haven't ask anybody else to try that so i don't know |
| 13:57.18 | Tupone | are you on windows |
| 13:57.24 | Oman | Yes |
| 13:57.43 | Tupone | have you douwnloaded the 1.10.0-1 ? |
| 13:58.04 | Oman | Hmmm... i downloaded that |
| 13:58.07 | Oman | yes |
| 13:58.11 | Oman | no no |
| 13:58.14 | Oman | i didn't |
| 13:58.22 | Tupone | This should cover that |
| 13:58.26 | Oman | i dowloaded 1.10.0 |
| 13:58.38 | Tupone | it was a baaad package |
| 13:58.45 | Oman | ok thanks |
| 13:59.14 | Oman | want me to tell you another problem i found |
| 13:59.20 | [dmp] | 1.10.1 is a windows-only release? |
| 13:59.27 | Tupone | Pat sayd it is in the site! |
| 13:59.31 | Tupone | said |
| 13:59.52 | Tupone | it is just a packaging, the installer included an old bzfs |
| 14:00.08 | Tupone | it is still 1.10.0 |
| 14:00.43 | Oman | is orchid bzg |
| 14:00.59 | Tupone | Oman: talk about this bug |
| 14:01.30 | Oman | witch one |
| 14:01.44 | Tupone | <Oman> want me to tell you another problem i found |
| 14:01.51 | Oman | Shure |
| 14:02.07 | Tupone | you said that!!!! lol |
| 14:02.21 | Oman | oh |
| 14:02.22 | Oman | ok |
| 14:02.59 | Oman | Well one is when you get stuck on a pyramid it sometimes makes you jump |
| 14:03.14 | Oman | on no jumping severs |
| 14:04.27 | Oman | i ment inbetween |
| 14:04.29 | Tupone | That is avoiding stucking (so it's a feature). On non jumping, you will not get anymore that jump unless you have a Jump flag. But it is in cvs, not released |
| 14:04.48 | Oman | ok |
| 14:05.34 | Oman | OMG I AM DUMB |
| 14:05.49 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/package (Makefile.am): Fixing PATH. Probably this file has not been used in age |
| 14:06.56 | Oman | Yes We cought Samdam |
| 14:07.07 | Oman | Go USA USA USA |
| 14:08.12 | Oman | WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 14:10.42 | Oman | saddam |
| 14:11.47 | Oman | We Caught Saddam YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:12.53 | Oman | bye all |
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| 14:38.03 | strayer_away | http://impulz.de/thumb.php?bimg=AL6901G.jpg ...lalala :o) |
| 14:43.59 | orchid | strayer_away, :) |
| 14:52.02 | tapo | I dont understand tha flags "Seer" and "Masquerade" |
| 14:52.46 | Chestal | tapo: masq. player will appear in friendly colour in 3D to other tanks |
| 14:53.01 | Chestal | tapo: so, if I am red, you are green, you pick up masq. I will see you as red |
| 14:53.11 | tapo | thats why rogue tanks attack me when I habe masq |
| 14:53.16 | Chestal | tapo: Seer flag counters stealth, cloak and masq. |
| 14:53.33 | tapo | ah |
| 14:54.07 | orchid | Chestal, masq dosent hide you in radar tho? |
| 14:54.08 | tapo | und "unsichtbar"and "verschleierung" are vice versa. first is stealth, right? |
| 14:54.26 | Chestal | orchid: no, there was some discussion whether it should or not |
| 14:54.49 | Chestal | tapo: never used that funne de locale |
| 14:54.57 | tapo | :-) |
| 14:57.35 | Tupone | Chestal: german locale misses some translation, some of you should do that |
| 14:58.15 | tapo | there are some Chestals? :) |
| 14:58.24 | tapo | shall I? |
| 14:58.33 | Tupone | I mean you or chestal |
| 14:59.11 | Tupone | you know the way to do it? |
| 15:01.11 | tapo | I nknow the file. but not the "procedere" |
| 15:01.54 | Tupone | Just write it down, then drop to one of us, or better put on patch sf |
| 15:01.57 | tapo | I send the file to chestal... |
| 15:02.47 | tapo | long file... |
| 15:05.26 | Chestal | tapo: Korpulenz? ;-) |
| 15:06.44 | tapo | :-) |
| 15:06.51 | tapo | "Versiegelt" ?? Hm |
| 15:07.30 | tapo | "Zoned" = "zonig"? :) |
| 15:09.09 | tapo | not easy< |
| 15:13.47 | Tupone | learner: hi |
| 15:13.57 | learner | hey tupone |
| 15:14.08 | learner | hrm.. i haven't seen this for a while.. |
| 15:14.09 | learner | Player [0] accept() from 24.1.99.18:3730 on 6 |
| 15:14.10 | learner | Player [0] on 6 removed: ECONNRESET/EPIPE |
| 15:14.32 | Tupone | is not that the list server? |
| 15:14.36 | learner | yes |
| 15:15.14 | learner | that's not a normal disconnect, though.. |
| 15:15.21 | learner | here's what it "should" say: |
| 15:15.21 | learner | Player [0] accept() from 24.1.99.18:3729 on 6 |
| 15:15.22 | learner | Player [0] on 6 removed: Disconnected |
| 15:15.41 | Tupone | thats not a normal cout you mean? |
| 15:15.46 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (3 files): some changes to lagstats: display format, more smoothing to jitter value, smoothign for lost/ooo value |
| 15:16.04 | larsl_away | It looks like the old list server, before it was upgraded to use the new protocol (without reconnect port). |
| 15:16.42 | learner | right, but this was new server, new list server |
| 15:16.47 | learner | and hi quol :) |
| 15:16.55 | Chestal | who did the world weapons? MAC? |
| 15:17.05 | Tupone | larsl_away: have you seen a bug (sf) for you (reset_size) |
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| 15:17.48 | strayer | hm...what do U prever Quol? :) |
| 15:17.56 | strayer | v=f |
| 15:22.48 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/man (bzfs.6s): lagstats changes in man page |
| 16:00.53 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (CursesUI.cxx): Changed resize_term to resizeterm to make it work on older ncurses, this breaks the build with PDCurses |
| 16:01.30 | learner | yay for commits that break things |
| 16:02.14 | larsl_away | Nobody is using PDCurses anyway. |
| 16:12.59 | larsl | I'm getting extreme lag at secretplace - > 1000ms. |
| 16:13.05 | larsl | < 100 ms on ducati. |
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| 16:20.26 | orchid | i had the burrow flag, and got killed buy someon jumping on me with the "jump" flag, this is right? |
| 16:20.33 | orchid | hi [dmp] |
| 16:22.19 | Chestal | burrow gets killed whcne touched by anyone (except zoned) |
| 16:22.20 | orchid | ahh, so anyone can kill burrow by jumping on them? |
| 16:22.36 | larsl | Or driving over them. |
| 16:22.37 | orchid | so, burrow isnt that powerful then |
| 16:23.02 | Chestal | orchid: without that, you'd need GM, SW or SR to kill it |
| 16:23.05 | orchid | as the reduced speed makes it impossible to evade people trying to stomp on you |
| 16:23.23 | orchid | yeah |
| 16:23.38 | Chestal | well, we msut see whether the default valeus are a good balance |
| 16:23.44 | Chestal | the speed reduction can be changed |
| 16:24.38 | orchid | did you notice the comment on (i forgot which forum) that the hunters shouldnt be rouge, but rather a team color? |
| 16:24.54 | orchid | as people are too used to rogues killing each other |
| 16:26.53 | Chestal | hmm, maybe |
| 16:33.01 | [dmp] | It would be fun (i think) to have two teams, so the rabbit had some guards :). |
| 16:33.08 | [dmp] | hi orchid |
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| 16:52.42 | tup-one | learner: hi |
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| 16:58.38 | Jaguar503n | hey |
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| 16:59.19 | Jaguar | hey |
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| 17:12.57 | learner | interesting.. saddam was captured |
| 17:13.35 | tup-one | yep |
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| 17:14.51 | tup-one | hi sussudio |
| 17:14.55 | fhffhqvb | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/server_error.png |
| 17:15.05 | fhffhqvb | i just got that on hashmark... appearently it booted everyone |
| 17:15.35 | fhffhqvb | (new server btw) |
| 17:15.58 | learner | tup-one: any comments regarding the "bug" on searching /usr/X11R6/GL ? |
| 17:16.32 | learner | interesting.. fhffhqvb, thanks. |
| 17:17.09 | tup-one | learner: I put it there, on bug sf comment |
| 17:17.26 | fhffhqvb | oh yeah, on xmission yesterday there was a blue gap in the mountains on both sides... |
| 17:23.33 | fhffhqvb | btw, appearently there are more people cheating with 1.7 than i thought, especially on xmission... on the 1.10 server people are much easier to hit.... |
| 17:23.53 | learner | fhffhqvb: :) |
| 17:24.12 | fhffhqvb | i suspect a lot of people are using some variant of the skinny cheat. |
| 17:25.10 | learner | unfortunately, it'll only be a few weeks probably until new cheats are propagated |
| 17:25.27 | learner | those that suck won't be too happy sucking again |
| 17:25.27 | fhffhqvb | they're popping up already |
| 17:25.55 | learner | not surprised. |
| 17:26.10 | fhffhqvb | i think it's probably a bit harder to implement than with 1.7 |
| 17:26.17 | learner | one of the cheat makers was on my servers many months ago testing out his client |
| 17:26.27 | fhffhqvb | dorkmare? |
| 17:26.33 | learner | no |
| 17:26.37 | fhffhqvb | nobody? |
| 17:26.38 | learner | not a player |
| 17:26.42 | learner | just a cheat maker |
| 17:26.46 | fhffhqvb | hmm k |
| 17:27.11 | fhffhqvb | i found this everybody-crash-fun-bug |
| 17:27.27 | fhffhqvb | it's kinda obscure so i doubt anyone will find it any time soon |
| 17:27.44 | fhffhqvb | KR: those pigs |
| 17:27.53 | learner | yeah.. that failure was a very general wtf catch-all error |
| 17:28.12 | fhffhqvb | no, i found one that just drops everyone without warning |
| 17:29.00 | learner | right.. but the "reason" of why everyone was dropped is a very general state check |
| 17:29.05 | learner | in the code |
| 17:29.23 | learner | basically means the clients became out of sync with the server somehow |
| 17:29.36 | learner | most likely a bug in the server |
| 17:31.12 | larsl | learner: Several clients crashed at the same time a few (1-2) days ago in a rabbit game. My client segfaulted in Flag::unpack(). |
| 17:31.17 | larsl | Haven't managed to reproduce it. |
| 17:32.04 | learner | yes.. larsl.. I think I see what happened now |
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| 17:43.40 | larsl | learner: What do you think it is? |
| 17:44.21 | larsl | I looked at the code briefly when it happened, didn't see anything that I thought was obviously wrong. |
| 17:44.26 | learner | two problems |
| 17:44.26 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): added bug on propagating invalid id that crashes all clients (from fhffhqvb) |
| 17:44.42 | fhffhqvb | =:-B |
| 17:44.53 | learner | first is that the server is spreading out a bad player id |
| 17:45.07 | learner | the server needs to check and make sure they are valid |
| 17:45.17 | learner | I'm surprised this isn't already done.. but apparently it's not |
| 17:45.23 | larsl | Ah... and the client is using that as an index to the 'players' array? |
| 17:45.36 | learner | second problem is that receiving an invalid id crashes the client.. that's a separate bug imo |
| 17:45.43 | learner | right.. |
| 17:45.52 | learner | it gets used as an index, seg fault, etc |
| 17:46.52 | fhffhqvb | i thought it had been fixed after e6 |
| 17:47.11 | larsl | e6 didn't have array indices as player IDs. |
| 17:47.37 | fhffhqvb | hmk |
| 17:55.05 | Quol | anyone tried to compile latest source on windows (VC 6)? |
| 17:59.15 | fhffhqvb | yeah you have to change a line or it won't. :-| |
| 17:59.39 | Quol | looks like a coupld of lines - fails in multiple places... |
| 18:00.05 | Quol | what's even more weird is that the socklen_t is defined, and it still fails... |
| 18:00.19 | fhffhqvb | *shrug* |
| 18:00.33 | Quol | saying that socklen_t is undefined....don't know... |
| 18:01.41 | tup-one | Quol: see Bug on sf |
| 18:06.23 | Quol | tup-one: you have something specific in mind - don't see any that are about that... |
| 18:06.51 | tup-one | There's been a discussion on that |
| 18:07.13 | Quol | i saw the discussion on IRC yesterday... |
| 18:07.48 | learner | Quol: mac and pat have been teeter-tottering on getting socklen_t worked out on vc |
| 18:08.15 | Quol | ya - I noticed that there are big changes in config.h |
| 18:08.20 | learner | apparently some version of vc doesn't have it while later releases (of the same version) do |
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| 18:08.31 | Quol | good ol MS |
| 18:08.38 | learner | there are two config.h files now .. one for old, one for new |
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| 18:09.01 | learner | is your c++ lib up to date? |
| 18:09.18 | Quol | ya- well the latest version for 6 that is |
| 18:09.35 | Quol | I am upgrading my 7.0 to 7.10, maybe that will make it work better.. |
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| 18:09.39 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 18:09.46 | learner | lo patlaborishone |
| 18:09.57 | fhffhqvb | hone? |
| 18:10.19 | Patlabor221 | helo |
| 18:10.23 | Michaelh | pat do you mean that the debugging info option is not set as is? |
| 18:10.42 | fhffhqvb | my little brother blew up his motherboard by smoking and never cleaning his PSU... |
| 18:10.42 | Noodleman | anyone for a match against the great Annihilation? |
| 18:10.43 | fhffhqvb | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/eww.html |
| 18:10.45 | Patlabor221 | the debug exe, working path, and paramaters, are not stored in CVS |
| 18:10.56 | Michaelh | I set the paths |
| 18:11.01 | Michaelh | still not working |
| 18:11.28 | tup-one | Quol: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=858840&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
| 18:11.28 | Patlabor221 | you may need to move your program databases to the exe folder |
| 18:11.52 | Michaelh | what are the endings of those? |
| 18:11.56 | Michaelh | pdb |
| 18:11.58 | Michaelh | ? |
| 18:12.06 | Michaelh | it's just 2 of them right? |
| 18:12.21 | Patlabor221 | pdb I think |
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| 18:12.59 | Jaguar503n | hey |
| 18:13.07 | Jaguar503n | anyone want to match annihilatioin? |
| 18:13.11 | Quol | tup-one: thanks, read that one, but I think it no longer applies as the config.h's have changed... |
| 18:13.38 | Michaelh | Pretty sure I did that too.. the old complaint was that there was no debugging info, now it runs but when it crashes somewhere it ask for output.c |
| 18:13.39 | fhffhqvb | Jaguar503n: dyslexics united? |
| 18:13.50 | Noodleman | Annihilation makes us happy! |
| 18:13.54 | Jaguar503n | now? |
| 18:14.17 | Noodleman | I have dsylexia |
| 18:14.36 | Jaguar503n | what is a dyselexics |
| 18:14.38 | fhffhqvb | i have ice cream |
| 18:14.53 | Jaguar503n | does any team want to match annihilation now? |
| 18:15.02 | Jaguar503n | we are weak |
| 18:15.26 | Jaguar503n | anyone? |
| 18:16.00 | orchid | whats the addy of the 1.10 pub list server? |
| 18:16.16 | fhffhqvb | \bz10 |
| 18:16.16 | Noodleman | orchid: http://db.bzflag.org/db/ |
| 18:16.18 | Patlabor221 | db.bzdlag.org |
| 18:17.29 | orchid | thnks |
| 18:17.37 | Michaelh | I also see a vc6.pdb for each and every project |
| 18:17.43 | Michaelh | common, network etc |
| 18:17.50 | Patlabor221 | you just need one |
| 18:17.55 | Patlabor221 | the one from the app your debuging |
| 18:18.02 | Patlabor221 | that is the debug for the runtimes and stuff |
| 18:18.13 | Michaelh | heh |
| 18:18.17 | Michaelh | perhaps thats it |
| 18:18.19 | Patlabor221 | VC7+ dosn't need them to be in the exe folder |
| 18:18.21 | Patlabor221 | it's nice |
| 18:21.37 | Michaelh | I also don't think the files are getting copied into the root dir |
| 18:21.45 | Michaelh | I know they aren't |
| 18:23.40 | Patlabor221 | then you should add that for your system as a post build step, it's not needed by everyone |
| 18:23.57 | Patlabor221 | or chose to debug from /src/bzfs/ |
| 18:25.40 | Michaelh | src/bzfs/debug you mean |
| 18:25.48 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:27.07 | Michaelh | voila PLease Enter the path for OUTPUT.C |
| 18:27.16 | Patlabor221 | I've never seen that |
| 18:27.37 | Patlabor221 | it sounds like your base VC paths are not right |
| 18:27.49 | Patlabor221 | as isn't that part of the normal runtime stuff? |
| 18:28.14 | learner | Patlabor221: did I tell you how popular your rabbit map is presently? |
| 18:28.18 | Michaelh | Env. settings? |
| 18:29.20 | Patlabor221 | heh, it is? |
| 18:29.30 | Patlabor221 | yeah and all those paths |
| 18:31.02 | learner | yes it is.. my server is almost always maxed out at 8 players |
| 18:31.09 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 18:31.24 | learner | i'm sure it'd go higher too |
| 18:31.26 | Patlabor221 | are there any other maps running rabbit |
| 18:31.32 | learner | but I know my connection can't take it |
| 18:33.24 | learner | 8 players puts me at a nearly consistent 20KB/s |
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| 18:33.39 | learner | with spikes to my max of 30 |
| 18:35.34 | Patlabor221 | so 3-4k a sec per player |
| 18:35.44 | Michaelh | hmm I don't see anything off hand.. have you tried debugging bzfs with 6 lately? The problem is not starting it, but when an error occurs |
| 18:36.40 | Michaelh | what I will do is download an older version of the source and try to do the same thing |
| 18:36.56 | Michaelh | I just stick this line in main for example : std::string fart = "I fart"; printf("%s", fart); |
| 18:37.02 | Michaelh | :) |
| 18:39.31 | Patlabor221 | I haven't used 6 in ages |
| 18:39.39 | Patlabor221 | but again debug stuff is not set in the project |
| 18:39.45 | Patlabor221 | so each persons stuff my differ |
| 18:40.15 | Chestal | Michaelh: not sure what you want to say with your code line, but it's bogus |
| 18:40.28 | Michaelh | it just to crash so I can see what happens |
| 18:40.29 | Patlabor221 | yeah it won't work |
| 18:40.57 | Michaelh | I did it by mistake a couple of times and that's when I discovered the debugging wasn't working for me |
| 18:42.02 | Michaelh | I wasn't suggesting it as a way of improving bzflag |
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| 18:52.18 | Noodleman | THEY CAPTURED SADDAM! |
| 18:52.23 | Noodleman | in other news: the poles melted |
| 18:52.27 | Patlabor221 | that they did |
| 18:52.33 | Chestal | oooold news :-) |
| 18:52.38 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 18:53.17 | Michaelh | doh |
| 18:53.30 | Michaelh | I tried a dorky test program and I get the same result |
| 18:53.45 | Patlabor221 | yah know I give up on VC6 |
| 18:53.51 | Patlabor221 | every time I change it for you guys |
| 18:53.56 | Patlabor221 | MAC goes and puts it back |
| 18:54.01 | Patlabor221 | so just shitcan the entire thing |
| 18:54.05 | Patlabor221 | or take it up with him |
| 18:54.35 | Michaelh | I mean it seems to be something with my stuff |
| 18:54.41 | Patlabor221 | yeah I know |
| 18:54.51 | Patlabor221 | guess I won't be doing any more builds |
| 18:54.59 | Patlabor221 | as no windows version compiles anymore |
| 18:55.20 | Michaelh | not even VC7 ? |
| 18:55.24 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 18:55.36 | Michaelh | how is that? |
| 18:55.38 | Patlabor221 | he busted that too with all his texture manager chages days before release |
| 18:57.14 | Michaelh | well this is looking like my problem |
| 18:58.46 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): |
| 18:58.47 | CIA | post comment about VC6 builds, and primadona developers |
| 18:58.47 | CIA | add VC7.1 NFG bug. |
| 18:59.16 | learner | heh, you calling mac primadona? :) |
| 18:59.50 | Patlabor221 | he keeps making it so he is the only one who can build |
| 18:59.56 | Patlabor221 | after I told him |
| 19:00.05 | Patlabor221 | that most people DON"T have the sdk |
| 19:00.24 | Michaelh | VC 6.0 Enterprise edition ... unpatched |
| 19:00.28 | Michaelh | hmmm |
| 19:00.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah there is a 100+ meg patlform SDK update |
| 19:00.39 | Michaelh | I can freaking get the SDK .. not an issue |
| 19:00.46 | Patlabor221 | no not for you |
| 19:00.51 | Patlabor221 | I'm not even talking about you |
| 19:01.01 | Patlabor221 | you are just screwd up |
| 19:01.02 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 19:01.11 | Michaelh | heh |
| 19:01.30 | Patlabor221 | I can not do a windows build at all with macs latest changes |
| 19:01.32 | Patlabor221 | so why bother |
| 19:01.48 | Michaelh | What did he do in particular? |
| 19:01.56 | Patlabor221 | he makes changes just to make changes, if thats not primadona I don';t know what is |
| 19:02.16 | Patlabor221 | the socketlen thing |
| 19:02.16 | Patlabor221 | he put it back in a way that works for him |
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| 19:04.31 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (config.h): |
| 19:04.32 | CIA | The last time I'll try this. |
| 19:04.32 | CIA | The good of the many out weighs the good of the one. |
| 19:04.33 | CIA | You change this, and I will never do a VC6 build again. |
| 19:05.47 | Patlabor221 | its ether that or we break VC6 into 2 proejcts |
| 19:06.43 | Michaelh | for server and client or something else? |
| 19:07.10 | Patlabor221 | no for VC6 standard, and VC6 MrApathyCream |
| 19:07.30 | Patlabor221 | or redo the entire header structure |
| 19:07.41 | Patlabor221 | but that would affect other platforms |
| 19:07.59 | Patlabor221 | I think Mac feels that if he anyoys me I will do more dev. that is very much not the case |
| 19:09.10 | Michaelh | Ah well anyone that has a full time job doesn't really have *that* much time to do stuff |
| 19:09.34 | Patlabor221 | techincaly I do, but I am puting the time into another project |
| 19:09.51 | Patlabor221 | Mac does not want me to do so I thinkg, as he fears that project could supersede this one |
| 19:10.02 | Michaelh | the 4502 thingee |
| 19:10.05 | Michaelh | 5402 |
| 19:10.12 | Michaelh | 5204* |
| 19:10.15 | Michaelh | ? |
| 19:10.23 | Patlabor221 | you are thinging of 2501, no that is franks deal |
| 19:10.27 | Michaelh | heh |
| 19:11.11 | Michaelh | Something new or something you've been working on for a while? |
| 19:11.13 | Patlabor221 | tho I do have source for it |
| 19:11.24 | Patlabor221 | it has old part, and it has new parts |
| 19:12.00 | Patlabor221 | and now thanks to tepan it will build on *nix :) |
| 19:12.52 | Michaelh | so what is this project? |
| 19:13.25 | Patlabor221 | http://p24.bakadigital.com |
| 19:13.43 | Patlabor221 | well this "should" get VC7 builds back |
| 19:16.41 | Michaelh | You have a cvs server running as well? |
| 19:17.28 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:17.34 | Patlabor221 | working on seting up a second |
| 19:18.40 | Michaelh | You're basically starting from the ground up again |
| 19:19.01 | Michaelh | not satisfied with boxes and pyramids anymore ? |
| 19:19.07 | Michaelh | :) |
| 19:19.54 | Patlabor221 | it's more then that, but yes |
| 19:20.06 | Patlabor221 | it would support a bz style world as well |
| 19:20.11 | Noodleman | i'd like to be able to use more complicated models in worlds :-) |
| 19:20.21 | Patlabor221 | its desinned to be able to support any number of gamew |
| 19:20.22 | Noodleman | but then the world file could get huge, i bet |
| 19:20.30 | Patlabor221 | and they each can use there own world type if they wish |
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| 19:20.44 | Patlabor221 | so you could take the bz code and move it into a set of game modules |
| 19:20.51 | Patlabor221 | and it would work just like it does now |
| 19:21.17 | Patlabor221 | but then a user could change to another server and then be playing another game type with a difrent world type |
| 19:21.32 | Michaelh | neato |
| 19:23.03 | Patlabor221 | the "game" parts are all plugins |
| 19:23.03 | fhffhqvb | meh. 38 point difference on hashmark. it's not even worth it anymore. |
| 19:23.26 | fhffhqvb | noooobs. |
| 19:23.43 | fhffhqvb | not that anyone can compete with the Tube of civilization anyway. |
| 19:24.23 | orchid | Tube of civilization? |
| 19:24.37 | fhffhqvb | uh huh. |
| 19:24.48 | Patlabor221 | somone who reads too much PA :) |
| 19:25.00 | fhffhqvb | <evil laughter> |
| 19:25.17 | fhffhqvb | i think someone tried to cheat earlier but it misfired |
| 19:25.27 | fhffhqvb | he went popping/spawning all over the place |
| 19:27.08 | learner | hehe.. good callsign: Crouching Camel Hidden Penguin |
| 19:27.15 | orchid | :)) |
| 19:27.23 | orchid | i like that |
| 19:27.38 | orchid | my fav was the "hey thats my stapler" guy |
| 19:27.48 | learner | hehe |
| 19:27.52 | fhffhqvb | no, it's "i believe you have my stapler" |
| 19:27.59 | orchid | and lovebug, anyone remeber him/her? |
| 19:28.15 | learner | i remember the car, never saw the player that I can recall |
| 19:28.18 | orchid | he used say i love you to everyone |
| 19:28.22 | learner | heh |
| 19:28.31 | learner | that's great :) |
| 19:28.41 | fhffhqvb | i think i've used about 200 callsigns now |
| 19:28.43 | orchid | just before he left, "i love you bzg, i love you dmp" etc |
| 19:28.54 | learner | heh |
| 19:29.18 | orchid | ive used 200 this month |
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| 19:30.03 | fhffhqvb | i think one of my favourites is "his teammate" while being rogue and being called a cheater by yoyox |
| 19:30.27 | fhffhqvb | "but you're a rogue! how can you kill your teammate!" |
| 19:33.00 | Michaelh | in london they have 'look left' and 'look right' painted on nearly every street crossing |
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| 19:33.24 | Michaelh | kind of weird |
| 19:33.33 | fhffhqvb | *shrug* |
| 19:34.01 | Michaelh | but why would a random string of characters care anyway? |
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| 19:34.15 | fhffhqvb | who's random? |
| 19:34.44 | Michaelh | azerty |
| 19:34.54 | fhffhqvb | where |
| 19:35.04 | Michaelh | qsdf |
| 19:35.43 | fhffhqvb | ever heard of rot13? |
| 19:36.15 | Michaelh | yeppers |
| 19:36.20 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 19:36.22 | Quol | man - this .net crap is huge.... |
| 19:36.33 | Patlabor221 | installing VC7.1? |
| 19:36.39 | Michaelh | doh |
| 19:36.50 | Quol | .net 2003...i am guessing that's VC 7.1 |
| 19:36.54 | Patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 19:36.59 | Quol | regular .net was just 7.0 |
| 19:37.04 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:37.07 | Patlabor221 | it sucked |
| 19:37.11 | Michaelh | whats great is when it copies it file by file off of the cd |
| 19:37.13 | Patlabor221 | 7.1 is better |
| 19:37.28 | Quol | 7.1 is smaller - that's kinda weird |
| 19:37.40 | Patlabor221 | they got rid of some of the lame stuff noone used |
| 19:37.43 | Quol | for a MS product - usually they just keep getting bigger :) |
| 19:37.44 | Patlabor221 | hence why it's better |
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| 19:38.33 | Quol | Patlabor221: after you compile bzflag using .net, if you take the instaler to another PC, does that PC have to have the .net framework? |
| 19:39.06 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 19:39.08 | Quol | or does it conmpile it as a native win32 app |
| 19:39.10 | Patlabor221 | bz does not use .net |
| 19:39.16 | Patlabor221 | we just use VC7 |
| 19:39.19 | Patlabor221 | 7.1 |
| 19:39.22 | Patlabor221 | not the framewor |
| 19:39.27 | Quol | ahh - OK |
| 19:39.29 | Michaelh | so you are sussudio? |
| 19:39.32 | Patlabor221 | it's still a normal compiler |
| 19:39.37 | Michaelh | fb lbh ner fhffhqvb? |
| 19:40.14 | Quol | I thought it only did .net crap - didn't realize that it also could compile regular C++ thingies, thought that it all gets compiled into MSIL when using any of the .net junk |
| 19:40.18 | Patlabor221 | treat .net like MFC |
| 19:40.29 | Patlabor221 | it's just another framework lib |
| 19:40.29 | Michaelh | .not |
| 19:40.42 | Patlabor221 | no, you have to turn on the managed C++ |
| 19:40.47 | Patlabor221 | if you had to use .net |
| 19:40.51 | Patlabor221 | noone would upgrade |
| 19:41.03 | Michaelh | we use .not |
| 19:41.11 | Patlabor221 | I'm sur you do |
| 19:41.32 | Quol | my poor PC :( |
| 19:41.32 | Michaelh | Qb lbh unir n ebg13 qrpbqre unaql? |
| 19:41.57 | Quol | chugging away trying to install this stuff - I guess my PIII 550 is getting old.. |
| 19:42.31 | Michaelh | is it doing like I said installing file after file from the cd? |
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| 19:42.48 | Patlabor221 | mine didn't take that long |
| 19:42.50 | Quol | Michaelh: no - off the netwrk |
| 19:42.52 | Patlabor221 | tho I did it from DVD |
| 19:43.33 | Quol | My subscription runs out in a week- so I downloaded and copied all the new stuff onto my network...that's where I install from anyways |
| 19:43.39 | Michaelh | My student edition installed by copying file after file off of the cd.. I found it to be just such an unbelievably stupid idea |
| 19:43.40 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 19:43.58 | Patlabor221 | the autocomplete in 7.1 is very nice |
| 19:44.03 | Patlabor221 | it will auto complete headers and stuff |
| 19:44.13 | Patlabor221 | helps me stay case senstive for the nixies |
| 19:44.31 | Michaelh | does it come with a animated character yet? |
| 19:44.35 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 19:44.39 | Patlabor221 | don't think it ever will |
| 19:44.46 | Michaelh | sure it will |
| 19:44.55 | Patlabor221 | the visual studio team and the office team are difrent |
| 19:45.04 | Michaelh | god I hope so |
| 19:45.12 | Michaelh | word is such a nasty thing |
| 19:45.34 | Michaelh | change one word and watch your entire document collapse before your eyes |
| 19:45.42 | Michaelh | thank god for undo |
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| 19:47.04 | Patlabor221 | well now to fix bzflag.exe in VC7.1 release |
| 19:47.07 | Patlabor221 | got debug working |
| 19:47.44 | Michaelh | like I said I think it's my problem .. at least the output.c stuff |
| 19:48.00 | Michaelh | probably should update vc |
| 19:48.01 | Patlabor221 | and like I said, I wasn't taking about you :) |
| 19:48.11 | Patlabor221 | VC7.1 debug hasn't built in weeks |
| 19:52.13 | Quol | Patlabor221: does the VC7.1 release version compile at all? |
| 19:52.29 | Patlabor221 | not at present |
| 19:52.35 | Patlabor221 | I am fixing and testing now |
| 19:52.40 | Michaelh | debug is cool |
| 19:52.40 | Quol | ahh - OK |
| 19:53.22 | Michaelh | everyone should run bzflag with F5 |
| 19:54.09 | Patlabor221 | I think I just go tit |
| 19:54.28 | Patlabor221 | ahh I see, the libs are wrong |
| 19:54.35 | Michaelh | heh |
| 19:54.40 | Michaelh | go tit! |
| 19:55.12 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 19:55.13 | Patlabor221 | hmm |
| 19:55.32 | Michaelh | no tit? |
| 19:55.33 | Patlabor221 | it may be the singleton stuff, I dono |
| 19:55.38 | Patlabor221 | you need to get out more man. |
| 19:56.41 | Patlabor221 | learner, what project has singleton? |
| 19:57.46 | Michaelh | I actually tried watching some of that porn -- something that I have never done before -- and the acting was so terrible I couldn't even get past the intro parts |
| 19:58.01 | Michaelh | just had to turn it off |
| 19:58.10 | Patlabor221 | perhaps going out an looking for real women would be better |
| 19:58.15 | Patlabor221 | they act better |
| 19:58.27 | Michaelh | It was funny |
| 19:58.55 | Michaelh | I don't know how anyone could stand to watch it |
| 19:59.41 | Patlabor221 | yeah definatly looks to be a problem with the singleton |
| 20:00.24 | Patlabor221 | have to leave that to learner |
| 20:00.42 | Patlabor221 | so no vc7.1 release builds |
| 20:01.44 | Michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.16 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): update with current state of VC builds. |
| 20:10.34 | larsl | Patlabor221: I think most projects has Singleton code - parts of it are implemented as templates in the header file, so every lib that includes it will get its own object code for it. I think it caused linking problems on Mac too. |
| 20:11.13 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure they do |
| 20:11.19 | Patlabor221 | but this stuff isn't work |
| 20:11.26 | Patlabor221 | seems to be with the destructor |
| 20:11.42 | Patlabor221 | the class defines a destructor |
| 20:11.46 | Patlabor221 | but the header dosn't |
| 20:12.01 | Patlabor221 | and the singleton dosn't have a virtual destructor |
| 20:12.15 | Patlabor221 | I get link errors saying it can't find the destructor for texturemanager |
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| 20:25.41 | Chestal | where's the config on Windows located? |
| 20:26.26 | Patlabor221 | in the VC6 or VC71 dirs |
| 20:26.52 | Chestal | no, I mean config of the game |
| 20:26.57 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 20:26.59 | Chestal | ~/.bzf on Unix |
| 20:27.06 | Patlabor221 | my documents/my bzflag files/ |
| 20:27.40 | fhffhqvb | C:\Documents and Settings\username\My Documents\My BZFlag Files\bzflag19.bzc |
| 20:27.49 | Chestal | thanks |
| 20:28.04 | Patlabor221 | I was gonnna change it but TIm shiped before I could do it |
| 20:28.34 | Chestal | why change it? |
| 20:28.52 | Patlabor221 | cus everyone thought "my bzflag files" was lame |
| 20:29.10 | Patlabor221 | and since it's not a "docmuent" it really should go in application data in the users profile |
| 20:29.41 | Chestal | ah, whatever, I am not familiar with the Windows way of doing things |
| 20:30.02 | Patlabor221 | settings go in a certan place in the profile |
| 20:30.07 | Patlabor221 | and they stay per user |
| 20:30.17 | Patlabor221 | not that we would ever want to get bzflag XP logo certified |
| 20:30.21 | Patlabor221 | so it's not that big of a deal |
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| 20:45.37 | mikep | hi, bye |
| 20:46.01 | Merry | bye, imma gonna play wif my friend |
| 20:52.16 | Patlabor221 | a gig for swap on a linux is fine? |
| 20:52.39 | Noodleman | Patlabor221: sure |
| 20:52.51 | Noodleman | it's kinda overkill for most uses, tho :-) |
| 20:53.56 | Patlabor221 | cap and others say 2x ram |
| 20:54.20 | Noodleman | yeah, that's the rule of thumb |
| 20:54.32 | Chestal | that rule makes an assumption that might be wrong though |
| 20:54.52 | Chestal | but 1 GIg sounds fine when you have plenty of disk space |
| 20:55.02 | Patlabor221 | it's a 60 gig drive |
| 20:55.30 | Noodleman | like, i had a computer with 512, and the ram was always used, but it rarely swapped |
| 20:56.01 | Noodleman | obviously, i could have gotten away with taking out some of the ram :-) |
| 20:56.15 | Chestal | 512MB is a sensible amount of RAM |
| 20:56.18 | Noodleman | but 1 gig of swap would have been way too much |
| 20:56.20 | Patlabor221 | I'll probably be puting a gig in the machine |
| 20:57.14 | Noodleman | yeah, 2x the amount of ram is a good place to start, but you might eventually want to tweak the size of your swap to get the most mileage out of your hard drive |
| 20:58.26 | Chestal | my work machien has 768MB and liek 700MB swap which is almost unused |
| 20:58.26 | Chestal | but as always YMMV |
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| 21:06.08 | Patlabor221 | well last night I didn't know and gave it 9 gigs of swap :) |
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| 21:14.26 | Chestal | someone available for a quick test? |
| 21:14.55 | Quol | for what chestal |
| 21:15.05 | Chestal | then please join ducati 59355 |
| 21:15.12 | Quol | 1.10 client? |
| 21:15.21 | Chestal | yes |
| 21:15.28 | Quol | OK - I will join now |
| 21:15.37 | Chestal | thanks |
| 21:17.04 | Chestal | ok, the server-side auto team assignment does not work right |
| 21:17.19 | Chestal | I have set the server to allow 1 rogue max and 3 observers andused -autoteam |
| 21:17.27 | Chestal | when 1 rogue is on and I joinwith team=rogue, I get rejected |
| 21:17.43 | Quol | couldn't join even as a color |
| 21:17.50 | Chestal | allows only rogues |
| 21:18.05 | Quol | couldn't join as a rogue either... |
| 21:18.23 | [dmp] | thats because i joined too, Quol |
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| 21:18.55 | Tupone | Chestal: I can join! |
| 21:18.58 | Quol | I have to read up on 1.10... |
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| 21:19.57 | Quol | one quick question - where is the bzflag config file (for the 1.10 client) hidding? |
| 21:20.10 | Quol | on windows that is |
| 21:20.12 | Tupone | ~/.bzf/ |
| 21:20.25 | Tupone | don't know:) |
| 21:20.35 | Quol | they all used to get put into your profiles dir - doesn't seem to be there now |
| 21:20.42 | Chestal | Quol: my documents/my bzflag files or similar |
| 21:21.17 | Chestal | someone join again please |
| 21:21.59 | Quol | ahh - there they are - silly me |
| 21:23.29 | Quol | error connecting to server... |
| 21:24.10 | [dmp] | same here |
| 21:25.10 | Chestal | hmm, the auto team assignment logic seems very strange to me |
| 21:26.13 | Chestal | I'll just skip thinkign about it and recode it :-) |
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| 21:27.21 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): dump unused variable |
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| 21:30.41 | Death_Barrel | hey guys |
| 21:30.45 | Death_Barrel | anyone want a match? |
| 21:31.59 | fhffhqvb | ~eat Death_Barrel |
| 21:32.03 | | ACTION eats Death_Barrel and falls over dead |
| 21:32.23 | Death_Barrel | hehe |
| 21:32.39 | Death_Barrel | ~smoke Death_Barrel |
| 21:32.49 | fhffhqvb | [19:14:53] <Jaguar503n> does any team want to match annihilation now? |
| 21:32.49 | fhffhqvb | [19:15:01] <Jaguar503n> we are weak |
| 21:33.11 | Death_Barrel | yes HoW vs Annihilation!! |
| 21:33.29 | fhffhqvb | i challenge you to a battle of wits! |
| 21:33.56 | Death_Barrel | hehe |
| 21:34.08 | Death_Barrel | HoW vs Wits! |
| 21:34.19 | Death_Barrel | lets go >>>> proxs.bzflag.org:7000 |
| 21:34.20 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 21:34.31 | fhffhqvb | BZR vs some wet towels! |
| 21:37.49 | scanline | wow, it's almost like Quol detached twice! |
| 21:40.19 | Chestal | power detach! |
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| 21:45.08 | fhffhqvb | hmm the smell of toasted blind ambitions |
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| 22:04.59 | *** mode/#bzflag [+bbb *cell*!*@* *sussudio*!*@* *gorb*!*@*] by calvino.freenode.net |
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| 22:20.00 | Chikorita | ibot: hi |
| 22:20.00 | | niihau |
| 22:20.19 | Chikorita | waahau |
| 22:20.31 | Chikorita | good 2 c ibot again |
| 22:20.35 | Chikorita | :) |
| 22:21.43 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 22:22.04 | Pimpinella | u never feel alone with ibot :) |
| 22:22.12 | Chikorita | heh yup |
| 22:22.20 | Pimpinella | ~botsmack |
| 22:22.24 | | sure, wanna snort some with me? |
| 22:22.30 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack eggnogsicle |
| 22:22.30 | | Chikorita: :) |
| 22:22.33 | Chikorita | :) |
| 22:22.56 | Chikorita | wie gehts pimpi |
| 22:23.06 | Pimpinella | müde |
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| 22:23.10 | Chikorita | oops brb i got a message |
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| 22:23.16 | Chikorita | hi tim tim brb |
| 22:23.20 | Carnage | chik |
| 22:23.33 | Chikorita | HoWians meet at Proxs server |
| 22:23.41 | Carnage | chik |
| 22:23.41 | Chikorita | c u all there |
| 22:23.45 | Chikorita | carny |
| 22:23.50 | Chikorita | carny |
| 22:23.53 | Chikorita | letz gooo |
| 22:23.54 | Chikorita | :) |
| 22:23.55 | Pimpinella | good luck |
| 22:23.55 | Carnage | u and tim are matching |
| 22:24.00 | Carnage | come on |
| 22:24.01 | Chikorita | ty |
| 22:24.04 | Carnage | proxs server |
| 22:24.09 | Chikorita | danke pimpi |
| 22:24.26 | Pimpinella | <-- sleeping |
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| 22:44.27 | fhffhqvb | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/barf.png |
| 22:44.34 | fhffhqvb | guess it's no more pausing for me. |
| 22:44.40 | Patlabor221 | don't alt tab |
| 22:44.42 | Patlabor221 | it's a feature |
| 22:44.59 | fhffhqvb | feature ala microsoft? |
| 22:45.07 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 22:45.15 | Patlabor221 | a bz feature |
| 22:45.21 | fhffhqvb | will someone fix the feature? |
| 22:45.28 | Patlabor221 | can't find it |
| 22:45.34 | Patlabor221 | the state gets jacked |
| 22:45.35 | fhffhqvb | snort./ |
| 22:45.37 | Patlabor221 | I looked for days |
| 22:45.42 | Patlabor221 | somone moved something |
| 22:45.55 | Patlabor221 | easyer to just redo it all |
| 22:46.07 | fhffhqvb | :-P |
| 22:46.31 | Patlabor221 | but it was shiped like that so it must be a desired feature |
| 22:49.54 | Tupone | On linux we got something strange the same when alt-tabbing: alpha change and loose keyboard |
| 22:50.11 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:50.16 | Patlabor221 | the alpha and our thing is related |
| 22:50.21 | Tupone | I tryed to fix that, and it worked on my |
| 22:50.22 | Patlabor221 | it's the gl state geting jacked |
| 22:50.39 | Tupone | just get an event of resize |
| 22:50.47 | Tupone | and done some resetting |
| 22:50.50 | Patlabor221 | ahh good |
| 22:50.55 | Patlabor221 | that is what is missing |
| 22:50.59 | Patlabor221 | you commit it? |
| 22:51.24 | Tupone | I committed a while ago, but Chestal super machine got crazy with that |
| 22:51.30 | Tupone | so He reverted |
| 22:51.39 | Patlabor221 | then it needs to be fixed right |
| 22:52.17 | Tupone | I can find the commit I did. wait |
| 22:52.28 | Chestal | hmm, when only obserevr slots are free onserver, server is not set to auto-team, player joins withteam=red, which is full, should player be rejected or become observer? |
| 22:53.04 | Patlabor221 | in general it would be nice to bump people to oberserver for many thing |
| 22:53.07 | Patlabor221 | such as lag |
| 22:53.21 | Patlabor221 | and full teams |
| 22:53.24 | Patlabor221 | and all those things |
| 22:53.39 | Chestal | ok, will make it obs then |
| 22:53.51 | Chestal | the whoel auto team, maxplayer thing was messed up |
| 22:53.52 | Patlabor221 | that is a common method in other games |
| 22:53.54 | Chestal | doing a big fix now |
| 22:53.56 | Patlabor221 | kick is last resort |
| 22:54.08 | Chestal | well, I won't touch the kick for now |
| 22:55.27 | Chestal | hmm, mp 1,2 syntax now enforces all 6 numbers to be supplied |
| 22:55.31 | Chestal | that contradicts the man page |
| 22:56.30 | Chestal | ah, I am mistaken |
| 23:09.56 | *** join/#bzflag |tim| (~|tim|@ip68-106-184-191.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 23:14.10 | Tupone | Patlabor221: playing.cxx -r 1.295 |
| 23:14.45 | Tupone | that was reverted by Chestal a while after |
| 23:16.06 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@host-224-174.dialup.innercite.com) |
| 23:16.35 | Tupone | Patlabor221: you got that? |
| 23:16.39 | Patlabor221 | looking |
| 23:17.08 | Patlabor221 | the grab mouse line? |
| 23:18.04 | Tupone | It should be the showWindow lemme check |
| 23:19.18 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.19 | Tupone | + mainWindow->showWindow(true); |
| 23:19.35 | Patlabor221 | do we have an "activate" section? |
| 23:19.44 | Patlabor221 | like where we get focus? |
| 23:20.19 | Tupone | on X I think is becoming this |
| 23:20.50 | Tupone | could you try adding that on Windows and see if works |
| 23:21.03 | Patlabor221 | on what line? |
| 23:21.27 | Tupone | after that case BzfEvent::Redraw: |
| 23:21.52 | Tupone | 2497 ? |
| 23:22.04 | Patlabor221 | trying |
| 23:22.09 | Chestal | calling showWindow for each frame is a bad hack and messed something up for me, do not remember exactly what |
| 23:22.15 | Patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 23:22.23 | Patlabor221 | we shuld have an activate secion |
| 23:22.26 | Tupone | not at each frame |
| 23:22.30 | Patlabor221 | and a deactivate |
| 23:22.33 | Tupone | only when we redraw |
| 23:22.49 | Tupone | redraw is an X event that ask to redraw if something is messed |
| 23:22.55 | Chestal | hmm |
| 23:23.12 | Chestal | doesn't ShowWindow also raise a Redraw event |
| 23:23.29 | Chestal | not 100% what showwindow us supposed to do |
| 23:23.40 | Chestal | but this sounds backwards somehow |
| 23:23.50 | Tupone | or an X event (I don't know what) at last cause BzfEvent:Redraw to be generated |
| 23:24.20 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): when server forced us into observer team activate roaming |
| 23:25.13 | Tupone | I think is only coming from X when something has to be redrawn for stack change, or a no more obscuring window |
| 23:25.47 | Patlabor221 | debug it on up and see |
| 23:26.11 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (2 files): big autoTeam / -mp fix; -autoTeam option should now work ok, also specifying both -mp # and -mp #,#,#,#,#,# should work as expected (at least like I expect :-) |
| 23:26.30 | fhffhqvb | doesn't xmission with 1.10 have a lagkick? |
| 23:28.10 | Patlabor221 | ask Tim |
| 23:29.02 | Tupone | Chestal: what about computing Rabbit float ratio = (float)(player[i].wins - player[i].losses) + (float) (player[i].wins / 2); |
| 23:29.39 | Tupone | taking into account score and adding some wins? |
| 23:29.45 | fhffhqvb | [SERVER->] squashy : 458 +- 6ms |
| 23:29.46 | fhffhqvb | MEH. |
| 23:29.48 | Chestal | hmm, that's 1.5*wins-losses |
| 23:29.54 | Tupone | yeah |
| 23:30.20 | fhffhqvb | what does the /ooo mean? |
| 23:30.24 | Tupone | preferring old player to new |
| 23:30.50 | Chestal | should get rid of the anomalies when all players are < 0 |
| 23:31.17 | Tupone | yeah, and seems more balanced. could be 1.25 ? |
| 23:31.17 | Chestal | I am not really sure which criteria are good to select the rabbit |
| 23:31.23 | Patlabor221 | Tupone, that is not it |
| 23:31.33 | Tupone | it does not fix? |
| 23:31.52 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 23:32.02 | Patlabor221 | lowers the piss outa framerate tho |
| 23:32.15 | Patlabor221 | I get many less FPF |
| 23:32.18 | fhffhqvb | are there more variants than tualatin with slot-a p3's? |
| 23:32.40 | fhffhqvb | um slot-1 |
| 23:33.23 | Chestal | any objections against getting rid of client-side autoteam? |
| 23:33.51 | Tupone | mine! |
| 23:34.06 | fhffhqvb | mine! mine! mine! |
| 23:34.11 | Tupone | just because learner did!:) lol |
| 23:34.23 | Chestal | ehm? |
| 23:34.49 | Tupone | I'm sure you just mean the selecting code |
| 23:35.08 | Tupone | but you want to left the choice! |
| 23:35.33 | Chestal | it was done before the server had autoteam |
| 23:35.48 | Chestal | and it does only use brute force |
| 23:36.05 | Chestal | it actually defeats the server side auto selecting mechanism (which should be fully working now) |
| 23:36.13 | Chestal | player can still set team=auto |
| 23:36.19 | fhffhqvb | can you put a indicator for slow speed somewhere since it's either off or on now instead of just on when you keep it pressed |
| 23:36.21 | Chestal | and server will do selection on his behalf |
| 23:37.14 | Tupone | Yeah, I understand that. I made the patch that was on SF for autoteam, then learner implemented it on client and server |
| 23:37.17 | Chestal | there's only 1 downside to it: new client with team=auto joining an old 1.10.0 server would experience the buggy auto selection of that server |
| 23:38.14 | Tupone | why? Having a client autoselected team, does imply that client as a true team? |
| 23:38.31 | Tupone | s/as/has/ |
| 23:38.43 | Tupone | understand |
| 23:38.49 | Chestal | no |
| 23:39.08 | Chestal | the logic is the same as was before now |
| 23:39.11 | Tupone | I have not really read all sentences |
| 23:39.12 | Chestal | I only fixed the bugs in the server |
| 23:39.16 | Tupone | sry |
| 23:39.31 | Chestal | and client side brute force auto feature seems obsolte to me |
| 23:40.27 | Tupone | I would ask learner, if there are some problem with that approach. Can you delay the last by hours? |
| 23:40.39 | Tupone | s/I/We/ |
| 23:40.57 | Chestal | I talked with him about that a few days agoI think,but I don't remember :-) |
| 23:41.15 | Chestal | even in 10.0, the server checks if (-autoTeam || client.team==auto) do_autoteam |
| 23:41.34 | Chestal | but client never sends team=auto, but instead loops over all possible teams and does repeated join attempts |
| 23:41.39 | Chestal | this is bad |
| 23:41.51 | Tupone | For me, there is no problem. Really my patch was only serverside! |
| 23:41.58 | Tupone | bot used to set autoteam |
| 23:42.23 | Chestal | my guess is that the client-side was implemented because it didn't need a change in the server as well |
| 23:42.46 | Chestal | where is learner hiding anyway? :-) |
| 23:42.48 | *** join/#bzflag sbo911 (~cgiirc@66.62.140.111) |
| 23:43.17 | sbo911 | hey death barrel |
| 23:43.30 | Tupone | My guess is that it was implemented that way because we thought we was under release days, and not touching the server was a must |
| 23:43.39 | Tupone | s/was/were/ |
| 23:44.11 | Chestal | ah,I'll simply commit it, blame me when someone wants it to stay |
| 23:44.30 | Tupone | no problem Chestal, just some joking |
| 23:45.13 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): no more brute force client-side auto team, it's all inthe server now which has more information; server will do autoteam when -autoTeam or client.team=auto |
| 23:46.00 | Chestal | hmm, peopel on my server all the time, I cannot update :-) |
| 23:46.02 | Chestal | good night |
| 23:46.22 | Tupone | g'nite. I go to bed too |
| 23:46.27 | orchid | nite |
| 23:46.30 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-96-102.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 23:59.00 | Patlabor221 | hmm I can go to a 6 meg down, 384k up dsl for 100 a month |
| 23:59.21 | captain_proton | up kinda sucks a lot on that |
| 23:59.27 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:59.31 | Patlabor221 | it's more up then I have now tho |
| 23:59.40 | Patlabor221 | I'm at the teir below that |
| 23:59.50 | Patlabor221 | 1.5 meg down 256 up |
