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01:10.37Merryhelo
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01:41.21Merrybye al
01:41.23Merryl
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02:02.51Carnagehello
02:02.58Carnageany Quol admins on?
02:07.13Curmudgeonwhat's up?
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02:48.06trepanwoohoo, SF anon CVS is working
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02:58.29stibnitesomething funky with the 1.7 list server this evening?
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03:50.09SGIrtrewthi
03:50.20SGIrtrewtelectric elf can you check a guy on xmission
03:50.29SGIrtrewtSCO
03:50.29ElectricElfSGIrtrewt: Yeah, who?
03:50.33ElectricElfSGIrtrewt: Will do.
03:50.40SGIrtrewtmy idea he jump to high
03:50.47SGIrtrewtSCO
03:50.54ElectricElfShusha bout me being an admin though.
03:51.02ElectricElfDon't want him to turn off his cheat, if he's using one.
03:51.34creeperzhmm, im an admin on Xmission too :-)
03:51.46ElectricElfcreeperz: Oh?
03:51.48SGIrtrewtyou too
03:51.49creeperzyea
03:51.55SGIrtrewtI dont know that
03:51.58ElectricElfcreeperz: Heh, cool, nice to meat you :)
03:51.59creeperzbut my video card can't support BZFlag
03:52.02ElectricElfs/meat/meet/
03:52.07creeperzheh
03:52.08SGIrtrewtnbad
03:52.16creeperzI'll try it
03:52.17creeperzbrb
03:52.23SGIrtrewtjust check this SCO ...to high jump
03:52.56ElectricElfYeah, I'm watching.
03:53.30bryjenstibnite: i had to switch my 1.7 server to using its IP address with -publicaddr to get it listed
03:54.02bryjenwe'd had about 50 servers, now there's just 30-ish.  i wonder if several are affected
03:54.55ElectricElfSGIrtrewt: If he's doing it, he's not doing it when I'm watching.
03:56.55creeperznits nits completely min
03:56.59stibniteyeah, hashmark certainly is, regardless of what interface or hostname i use
03:57.08stibnitethanks for the ip tip
03:58.53stibniteyeah that did it
03:58.54stibnitebizarre
03:59.04stibnitesame server, no trouble with 1.9
03:59.45bryjenElectricElf: looks like he's changing his rotation while in air.
03:59.54ElectricElfbryjen: Aaah, that one might do it.
04:00.45ElectricElfDamn.
04:00.48ElectricElfYeah, for sure.
04:01.46ElectricElfWoot!
04:01.50ElectricElfAnd he just jumped too high too!
04:01.51ElectricElfExcellent.
04:02.04ElectricElfbryjen: Great catch.
04:02.35ElectricElfSGIrtrewt: K, yeah, he could jump too high as well.
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04:02.49ElectricElfSGIrtrewt: (Though he didn't do it often - I watched him jump at least a dozen times without seeing it.
04:03.27bryjenhe wasnt overly blatant with the directional control.  i once saw a guy swining back and forth during jumps on a 10 shot server to hose people
04:03.51ElectricElfYeah.
04:04.00ElectricElfHe was careful about it.
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04:05.33orangehey all
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04:08.13orchidhi
04:14.27ElectricElfcreeperz: xmission has a lot of regulars - if you know the admin password and state as much, people will look at you crosseyed. :)
04:14.37ElectricElfcreeperz: (I've just had two people /msg me thinking there's an imposter. :)
04:14.45creeperzheh
04:34.42Big_Barrelorange?
04:34.44Big_Barrelu there?
04:34.48orangeno
04:34.51Big_Barrelhehe
04:34.56orangewhat's up?
04:35.03Big_Barrelcome paly a fun match with DM head and me
04:35.09Big_Barrelweisenborn
04:35.11Big_Barrel?
04:35.16orangeproxs.bzflag.org
04:35.19orange7000
04:35.26Big_Barrelah cool :)
04:35.27Big_Barrelncu there
04:35.28orange(same server, new name :-)
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09:01.08Michaelhla la la
09:05.49Michaelhanyone awake?
09:06.34MichaelhWAKEY WAKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:06.52trepanyou got cofee?
09:07.03MichaelhIt's 10 AM
09:07.08Michaelh:)
09:07.17trepanor 4AM, depends...
09:19.26Michaelhnever have I slacked off like this before......................................
09:20.08MichaelhEveryone who could give me suggestions as to what to do further is away for at least the day if not the week
09:25.04trepandesign a better battery, that would be useful
09:27.12MichaelhAh so
09:27.34Michaelhand why are you up at this hour in the morning?
09:28.57trepanmy sleeping schedule is messed up
09:29.48MichaelhYou work at some weird hours?
09:31.20trepanyup, something like a 27 hour circadian rhythm makes my days roll over
09:32.22Michaelheh does that mean you work 27 hours?
09:33.17trepannope, i just seem to wake up 3 hours later every day
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09:56.20Michaelhelectric is the way of the future I've heard
10:03.29Michaelhso are there any frenchy regulars?
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13:21.47Michaelh.
13:26.39Michaelhonly 16 hops to sourceforge.net
13:29.22Michaelh22 hops to rikers.org :)
13:30.22Michaelhbut hey I guess the internet is working ok
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14:22.31Michaelh.
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16:03.05Nidhoggrwell, we installed a patch requiring registered users to /identify before spawning, or they get kicked.
16:03.07Nidhoggrand
16:03.30Nidhoggradmins show up with a (A) in the /lagstats, including those in observer mode.
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16:30.54TimRikerNidhoggr: in 1.7 or 1.9? settable by command line option?
16:31.18TimRikerif it has a command line option and it works well, let's get it in cvs. sounds useful.
16:36.17Nidhoggr1.7. not settable by command line.
16:36.30Nidhoggrwe can probably make it work that way.
16:36.48Nidhoggrmy friend who is doing the coding is waiting for 1.10 to add the functionality to that.
16:37.19Nidhoggrright now we are just getting the stuff in to deal with problems.
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17:24.47NidhoggrTim, I'll make sure he makes the logging options and /kick if not /identified and the admins marked by (A) stuff are made command line/conf file switches when he does them for 1.10.
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20:15.22Nidhoggrhrm. not listed on listserver again.
20:15.57stibnitestill the ip issue?
20:16.07Nidhoggrdunno.
20:16.10Nidhoggrit's a new problem.
20:16.39stibnitei ran into it last night
20:16.55stibnitecouldn't get listed unless I changed the publicaddr to a raw IP
20:17.13Nidhoggrhm.
20:17.28stibnitebryjen noted the same problems, and twas he who told me about that workaround
20:18.37Nidhoggrsounds like a bug with the listserver.
20:19.15stibniteI noticed the problem with secretplace last night, probably around 11:30
20:19.34stibnitebut I had been having it since 5pm CST
20:19.45stibnitewith any server I attempted to tstart
20:19.58Nidhoggrwe restarted server last night for some modifications.
20:22.20NidhoggrI'll play with it when we get home.
20:30.35Nidhoggrwell, I restarted with IP, and put bzflag.secretplace.us in the description.
20:31.50Nidhoggrmaybe dns on the listserver is broken
20:34.52Nidhoggr:)
20:35.16larslTime to upgrade the kernel and reboot. =)
20:35.26Nidhoggrlunch.
20:40.36bryjen~nslookup bzflag.secretplace.us
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22:07.46luigidoes anyone know why xmission is so laggy?
22:08.04creeperzitsi n texas?
22:08.05luigieveryone's yelling cheater at each other
22:08.08luigiyep
22:08.12luigino utah, i think
22:08.16creeperzeverythings big in texas
22:08.23creeperz(apparantly lag too)
22:08.25Patlabor221it's not in texas
22:08.27stibnitecould be that all the yelling is taking up bandwidth needed for the server
22:08.30creeperzutah still?
22:08.32luigi;-)
22:08.34Patlabor221yes
22:08.37creeperzha
22:08.39luigi:) i mean
22:08.40Patlabor221it's at a datacenter
22:08.46Patlabor221not at his house
22:08.50Patlabor221what are the pings like?
22:08.54stibnitewell, there might be a *LOT* of yelling!
22:08.58creeperzin the 400
22:09.00luigiping what?
22:09.05luigiyou mean lagstats?
22:09.08Patlabor221yes
22:09.11Patlabor221that tells the pings
22:09.14creeperz400-ish
22:09.20luigiway above twohundred for most players
22:09.30Patlabor221that's not to horible for real stuff, but that's bad for BZ
22:09.42luigiyep
22:10.00luigiso if anyone knows why i can tell m why everyone seems to cheat
22:10.05Patlabor221it probably flooded somone again
22:10.17luigivirus you mean (i m no geek)
22:10.18Patlabor221it's just the nature of the net
22:10.37luigiwhat is flooding?
22:10.41creeperzdoes it appear that anyone is cheating?
22:10.45luiginot to me
22:10.46Patlabor221sending more data then the pipe can handle
22:11.13creeperzits like putting condoms in a bathroom sink
22:11.24luigiaha
22:11.26Patlabor221no
22:11.37luiginow i know what your talking of ;-)
22:11.41Patlabor221it's like hooking up a garden hose to a fire hydrant
22:11.46creeperzyea
22:12.06luigiok, ill return to the playground
22:12.12creeperzsee yu
22:12.13luigibye
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22:12.34stibnitewell, abovenet is having some packet loss, so routes through there might yield poor performance
22:12.47stibniteanyway you look at it, he's gone, I've no reason to speak
22:12.57Patlabor221heh
22:13.23stibnitecareful, it swatted me back last night
22:13.24Patlabor221he lives
22:13.26Nidhoggrwell, the servername in the description probably helped.
22:13.36NidhoggrI'm back to more than 3 users.
22:13.44Nidhoggrhi patlabor221
22:13.49Patlabor221hows it going?
22:13.51Nidhoggrwork is REALLY frantic.
22:13.58Nidhoggrso I've been stressing.
22:14.00Hornet~d
22:14.03Patlabor221:(
22:14.10Nidhoggrjust a lot of new business.
22:14.12ChestalPat: got the 7?
22:14.16Patlabor221I need to change the mail addy on the bottom of the BZBB pages
22:14.26Nidhoggrwe've doubled our network traffic in the last 3 weeks.
22:14.29Patlabor221no we never got 7
22:14.49Chestalstill 2-3 days to go :-)
22:14.55Nidhoggrvalve software started putting servers on our network.
22:14.56Chestalbut I am out of ideas for #7, too
22:15.05Patlabor221we asked EVERYONE here
22:15.05Nidhoggrplug them in, and they automatically shoot to 100mbps.
22:15.11Patlabor221ouch
22:15.24Nidhoggrwhich is good, just a lot of work.
22:15.27Patlabor221so your hosting STEAM now
22:15.39Nidhoggrand we can't get to our miami pop til monday.
22:15.47Nidhoggrso we can't turn up a huge customer there.
22:15.56Nidhoggrcuz of the fto meeting.
22:16.15Nidhoggrour transit business rules the universe.
22:16.15Nidhoggr:)
22:16.27Patlabor221fun
22:16.32Nidhoggrwe get new dark fiber to the building next week.
22:16.38Patlabor221I don't have a shell acount on dragon do I?
22:16.41Nidhoggrthey've been tearing up the road for months now.
22:16.46Nidhoggrnope... I can arrange if you want.
22:16.58Patlabor221ether that or can you just edit one of the templates?
22:17.07Nidhoggrit's on tiphareth.
22:17.14Nidhoggrfiberchunks has a login.
22:17.19Patlabor221ahh
22:17.26Nidhoggryou didn't want one. :)
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22:17.41Patlabor221I just need to change the mail addy in overall_footer.tpl
22:17.49Nidhoggrlet me look.
22:17.55Patlabor221I didn't think I would need one :)
22:19.32Nidhoggrwhich theme are we using?
22:19.40Nidhoggrcobalt or subsilver?
22:19.45Patlabor221subsliver
22:20.36Nidhoggrwhat you want email to be?
22:21.43Patlabor221jeffm2501@sbcglobal.net
22:21.50Patlabor221instead of the gibbscam.com one
22:22.23Nidhoggrcheck now.
22:22.27Nidhoggrtell me if it looks okay.
22:22.54Patlabor221prefect, thanks :)
22:23.48Nidhoggrno problem. :)
22:24.35Patlabor221I'm just trying to stop using the work mail for non work stuff
22:25.15Nidhoggrgood idea.
22:25.33NidhoggrI've been considering selling dragon.org email accounts for gamers, etc.
22:25.34Patlabor221mostly cus work mail sucks
22:25.39Nidhoggrnod
22:25.50Patlabor221they can't keep the damned thing running
22:26.02Nidhoggryour IT guy is a little useless.
22:26.08Patlabor221more then a little
22:26.28Patlabor221I finaly got him to open up the ports I needed thankfully
22:26.28Nidhoggr:)
22:26.53Nidhoggrwonder how long it'll take for the listserver to get fixed.
22:27.08Patlabor221so asgard is ssh enabled again, and can even send mail ( thanks to jbd)
22:27.12Patlabor221what is it doing?
22:27.27david_vMayhem: hallo :)
22:27.31Nidhoggrit won't list you by name. have to use IP
22:27.38Nidhoggrstarting some time last night.
22:27.43bryjenthe 1.7 list server seems to have DNS issues
22:27.50Nidhoggrthat's what I was thinking.
22:28.02Patlabor221ahh he may have changed IPs again
22:28.05Nidhoggrwonder if it has a caching server
22:28.12Patlabor221he's on a dynamic
22:28.18Nidhoggrand it just died maybe
22:28.20Patlabor221try just using list.bzflag.org
22:28.30Nidhoggrno...
22:28.44Nidhoggryou have to set your public address to serverip:5155
22:28.50bryjenusing -publicaddr hostname when starting a bzfs doesn't work for me (and Nid, and stib ) , we've resorted to -publicaddr ipaddy
22:28.55Nidhoggrbecause bzflag.secretplace.us:5155 won't work.
22:28.58Patlabor221sux
22:29.07Patlabor221his Ip can change
22:29.11Nidhoggrnod
22:29.15NidhoggrI don't think that's it though.
22:29.35Patlabor221it's all just web stuff for 1.9
22:30.00bryjenWe can get to him (list.bzflag.org) OK, but the callback the list server does to verify you're alive doesn't seem to happen. the list server may not be resolving our names.
22:30.16Patlabor221ahhh
22:30.18Nidhoggrthat was my thought.
22:30.21Patlabor221double sux
22:30.45Nidhoggrwell, at least I have users again.
22:30.47Nidhoggr!secretplace
22:30.54Nidhoggr~secretplace
22:31.03bryjenOddly enough, I'm running a 1.9 server on the same box, and the 1.9 l-s works fine with -publicaddr hostname.
22:31.12Patlabor221you could hijack the 1.7 list server :) just edit the list-server.txt :)
22:31.52Nidhoggrwe have some great new mods on our server.
22:32.14Nidhoggrif you don't /identify a reg'd callsign before you spawn, you get kicked
22:32.23larslIs that my -regonly patch?
22:32.29Nidhoggradmins are shown next to (R) as an (A)
22:32.39Nidhoggrlarsl, no... shkoo wrote his own.
22:33.15Nidhoggralthough your patch will be handy cuz we won't have to rewrite that for 1.10 :)
22:33.27larslMine was for 1.7. =)
22:33.32Nidhoggroh.
22:33.33Nidhoggrsnort
22:33.44bryjen~botsmack
22:33.45sure, wanna snort some with me?
22:34.02NidhoggrI've got to come into work at 6 AM to install a customer.
22:34.07Nidhoggron saturday.
22:34.08Nidhoggrpoo!
22:35.46larslThe cleanest way to implement that (if we want it in 1.10) might be to add a new permission, SPAWN.
22:35.59larslOr maybe PLAY is better.
22:36.06Patlabor221or "join"
22:36.22Patlabor221since that's the term used in code when a player spawns
22:36.28Patlabor221you join the game in progress
22:36.38larslDoesn't it say "join" when someone connects?
22:36.40Patlabor221as opposed to just connecting to thenetwork
22:36.46Patlabor221maybe
22:36.49NidhoggrI think so.
22:36.53Patlabor221I just know the code
22:37.09Patlabor221the "i'm gonna spawn" section is call JoinGame
22:37.13Nidhoggrwe have different logging on our server, cuz I needed timestamping.
22:37.13Patlabor221IIRC
22:37.40bryjenI the GUI, the menu is "Join Game", the thingy you select to do so is "Connect"
22:38.11bryjenand then its "Press right mouse to start"
22:39.15Patlabor221coudl use "start" then
22:40.21bryjenThat's kind of vague tho. Start what?
22:40.38Patlabor221true
22:40.51Patlabor221well having it as a perm is a good idea, naming it is easy :)
22:41.05bryjenMeebee live, so if you try to play w/o registering the kick message is "You are not allowed to live." ;)
22:41.06larslThat would let people set up registered-only servers, but avoid the mess with giving the callsign/password to the admin. Every player could register himself, and ask the admin to add him to the "player" group.
22:41.21Patlabor221yes
22:41.51Patlabor221or you just remove the perm from the default group and put it in "registerd" on the server sdie
22:42.02Patlabor221cus they get that group when they register
22:42.04Patlabor221automaticly
22:42.21larslYes, but then anyone could register a new callsign and start playing immediately.
22:42.33larslWhich is fine, if that's what you want, of course.
22:42.51Patlabor221yeah
22:42.56Patlabor221lets it be up to the server op
22:46.04larslNidhoggr: Your log format looked very parser-friendly. Do you know if it will be in 1.10, or a later release?
22:47.38Patlabor221did you guys even commit that stuff?
22:48.09larslI don't remember a patch, I just saw a sample of the log output.
22:48.22Patlabor221it should just be commited
22:48.34Patlabor221maybe with a switch -timestamp or something
22:48.53larslIt's more than just timestamp, it's a whole new logging format.
22:48.57larslMore structured.
22:50.37Patlabor221-goodlog :)
22:51.19Patlabor221ohh did you see the changes we had to make in bzadmin, with the templates?
22:51.35Patlabor221we didn't realy know what was being intended there.
22:51.38larslNo, I haven't looked at it in a while. What did you change?
22:51.51Patlabor221let me remember
22:52.07Patlabor221it was a template specilisation
22:52.11Patlabor221in options parser
22:52.24Patlabor221my compiler wanted a template<> in front of it
22:52.39Patlabor221and it seemed that, puting that in was to spec
22:52.47larslOK.
22:52.47Patlabor221but noone here is really template sure :)
22:53.14larslHave you tried building it with curses?
22:53.14Patlabor221I was updating the windows build for the latest compiler
22:53.23Patlabor221and that's what it freaked on
22:53.24Patlabor221no
22:53.32Patlabor221I don't have a curses implemntation for windows
22:54.32Nidhoggrlarsl, my friend, the programmer, is going to write the log format for 1.10 once it's released.
22:54.56larslOK, so it will hopefully be in 1.10.1 or something like that.
22:55.02Nidhoggr:)
22:55.03Patlabor221the server side stuff should be basicly stabalised, he could do it now and commit it
22:55.34Nidhoggrit is super parseable and I already have a nice perl script that parses how I like it.
22:55.56larslCan't we just skip the first 1 in the version number and call next release "BZFlag X"? =)
22:55.59NidhoggrI'll let him now.
22:56.04Patlabor221heh
22:56.43Patlabor221actualy the next 1.10 update release would be 1.10.2
22:56.52Patlabor2211.10.1 would be a testing release for it
22:56.58larslAh, right.
22:57.05Patlabor221that is if they stick with it
22:57.36Patlabor221Mythra only knows what they will do in the future.
22:58.25Nidhoggrjbdigriz a copy of our mod'd bzfs.cxx
22:59.34JBdiGrizhmmm? what's that?
23:00.10Nidhoggrwas saying i gave you a copy of our mod'd server code
23:00.23Nidhoggrwe mod'd it even more.. but didn't change the logging.
23:00.46JBdiGrizah, I have been cleaning up the office and disks, and all of a sudden, xchat said someone addressed me. :)
23:01.27Nidhoggr:)
23:01.45Nidhoggrhalf an hour and I can go home.
23:01.48Nidhoggrlong day today.
23:06.57Patlabor221~seen wobblymonkey
23:07.00i haven't seen 'wobblymonkey', Patlabor221
23:07.23Patlabor221anyone know if he is AGP enabled?
23:23.06*** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (frank@p50820653.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
23:23.12Pimpinellahi all
23:24.35Pimpinellafor some reason my (and many other) server seems not to be listed. does anybody know some reason?
23:25.22Patlabor221the list server is having issues
23:25.23Nidhoggrthe listserver is broken... if you change publicaddr to the ip:port it'll list.
23:25.53Pimpinellatrying
23:26.26NidhoggrI had to do that and put bzflag.secretplace.us in the description so people knew what server it was.
23:27.06Nidhoggrhopefully it'll be fixed by tomorrow when we restart for more changes.
23:27.22Nidhoggrgoing to make the /kick if you don't /identify an option a user can activate.
23:28.02Pimpinellaon 1.7?
23:28.10Nidhoggrnod
23:28.28Nidhoggrwe've done a fair amount of mods on 1.7 server
23:28.30Nidhoggrlogging mods
23:28.36Nidhoggrmust identify mod
23:28.52Nidhoggrand admins are id'd by a (A) in /lagstats
23:29.04Nidhoggralso observers show in lagstats for that purpose.
23:29.17Pimpinellasince when is it in cvs?
23:29.24Nidhoggrit's not.
23:29.27Nidhoggrit's a private mod.
23:29.29Pimpinella:(
23:29.36Nidhoggrif people want it we can give them the code.
23:29.43Pimpinellamaybe i can get it?
23:29.48Nidhoggrbut we are going to put it in 1.10 eventually.
23:29.53Nidhoggrsure... hang on.
23:29.56Patlabor221for 1.10 don't even bother making a patch, just commit it.
23:30.09Nidhoggrcool.
23:30.34Nidhoggrpimpinella, email me at mandrake@dragon.org.  I want to make sure you get code after the mods are adjusted this weekend.
23:31.05NidhoggrI want to make sure my programmer isn't editing the files now.
23:31.51Nidhoggris anyone aware of a bug where full screen mode wouldn't work on some machines in 1.9.4, and if it was addressed in newer releases?
23:32.21larslI haven't heard of it... what kind of machines?
23:33.01Nidhoggrdell latitude laptop. mobility m4 video card
23:33.08Nidhoggrworked fine on 1.7
23:33.57NidhoggrI seem to remember other people with same issue coming in here.
23:34.05Nidhoggrthis is my programmer friend's machine.
23:34.41Pimpinellaemail is out and server is listed again :)
23:34.51Pimpinellatnx and goodnight
23:34.56Nidhoggrlater :)
23:35.37Nidhoggrgotta drive home.  back later.
23:36.15CIA03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (OptionParser.h): Added better comments to the OptionParser classes
23:44.54CIA03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (bzadmin.cxx): Whitespace and code compactification
23:49.19CIA03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (BZAdminClient.h): Better comments in BZAdminClient.h

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