| 00:00.08 | Grumbler | yeah, but have you seen the homeimpro shows.....they pan that stuff out a couple feet.... |
| 00:00.26 | Grumbler | all i ever get is acne walls |
| 00:00.42 | fiberchunks_ | nails or screws? |
| 00:00.57 | Grumbler | nails..... |
| 00:01.09 | fiberchunks_ | tsk, use screws -- better holding power |
| 00:01.15 | fiberchunks_ | definitely use screws on ceilings |
| 00:01.48 | Grumbler | yeah makes sense....i would prefer just burning the place down though |
| 00:02.12 | Grumbler | and the way my oil furnance is going, my dream may come true |
| 00:02.15 | fiberchunks_ | that works too ;) just remember to store your stuff first ;) |
| 00:02.26 | Grumbler | nah, burn the stuff |
| 00:02.33 | Grumbler | i could use a new computer |
| 00:02.35 | fiberchunks_ | indeed, start over |
| 00:02.40 | Grumbler | tc |
| 00:02.45 | Grumbler | tv that is |
| 00:03.05 | Grumbler | i just have to time it so that me and dogs are out walking...... |
| 00:03.07 | Grumbler | :) |
| 00:03.24 | fiberchunks_ | the one thing that really irritates me about this whole remodel, is that my local home depot doesn't sell steel studs ... this would go much faster with steel |
| 00:03.46 | fiberchunks_ | or ... start walking real damn fast if your dream comes true unexpectedely ;) |
| 00:04.04 | Grumbler | you could order them..... |
| 00:04.19 | Grumbler | if one home depot has it, they will order to the other |
| 00:04.27 | Grumbler | ...it is a schedule pain though |
| 00:04.36 | fiberchunks_ | I could, yes, but since I'm halfway done with the framing, I figured -- why bother (plus, I got a spiffy new pneumatic framing nailer :) |
| 00:04.50 | Grumbler | oooooo......coool......... |
| 00:04.56 | fiberchunks_ | man do nailers make life easy |
| 00:05.15 | fiberchunks_ | I highly recommend renting one, if you can't afford to buy one (or aren't doing that large a project) |
| 00:05.32 | fiberchunks_ | I hope the panel jack makes my drywall life easy too |
| 00:05.36 | Grumbler | i borrowed my dads for here(all i have are finish nailers).....he had the thing on automatic.....put 5 nails in before i could get the gun away |
| 00:05.53 | fiberchunks_ | whoops |
| 00:06.04 | Grumbler | scared the be-jesus out of me.... |
| 00:06.12 | fiberchunks_ | I just got a sequential or contact nailer -- depends on the trigger I put on it |
| 00:06.22 | fiberchunks_ | I prefer sequential -- much safer |
| 00:06.28 | Grumbler | ditto |
| 00:07.09 | Grumbler | already put one nail thorugh my foot, dont want anothter |
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| 00:07.24 | fiberchunks_ | that must have been pleasant |
| 00:08.18 | Grumbler | tearing apart the master bath.....they used ~2 inches of concrete behind the tile........was yanking real hard.....stepped back right onto a demolished stud |
| 00:08.49 | fiberchunks_ | oh, those are the best kind -- nothing like tetanus on a cold winter morning ;) |
| 00:09.16 | Grumbler | yep....but i am now good for 15 years thanks to the booster shot |
| 00:09.31 | Grumbler | i think....15 is probably an exaggeration |
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| 00:14.42 | sn0w_d0ggy | Aloha all! |
| 00:14.44 | sn0w_d0ggy | :) |
| 00:15.07 | fiberchunks_ | que pasa |
| 00:15.38 | sn0w_d0ggy | huh?? |
| 00:15.46 | fiberchunks_ | how's it going |
| 00:16.19 | sn0w_d0ggy | Good, thanks, you? |
| 00:16.27 | fiberchunks_ | fine thanks |
| 00:16.38 | sn0w_d0ggy | Welcome |
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| 00:21.44 | sn0w_n00dle | anyone for a match? |
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| 00:35.39 | Grumbler | !lart JBDiGriz |
| 00:35.39 | Guu | Grumbler: Error: 'lart' is not a valid command. |
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| 00:41.10 | sn0w_d0ggy | !weather Batavia, IL |
| 00:41.12 | Guu | sn0w_d0ggy: The current temperature in Batavia, Illinois is 52°F. Conditions are Overcast. |
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| 01:09.50 | sn0w_d0ggy | ~seen eliza |
| 01:09.53 | | sn0w_d0ggy: i haven't seen 'eliza' |
| 01:09.58 | sn0w_d0ggy | heh |
| 01:10.03 | sn0w_d0ggy | ~seen sn0w_kitty |
| 01:10.04 | | sn0w_kitty <Chikorita@ACD063D6.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 6h 48m 37s ago, saying: 'hi L :)'. |
| 01:10.13 | sn0w_d0ggy | ~seen Chikorita |
| 01:10.14 | | chikorita <Chikorita@ACD0E277.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #project24, 18h 56m 12s ago, saying: '!google sn0w_kitty'. |
| 01:10.27 | sn0w_d0ggy | ~google sn0w_kitty |
| 01:10.43 | sn0w_d0ggy | !google sn0w_kitty |
| 01:10.44 | Guu | sn0w_d0ggy: Error: SAXParseException: <unknown>:1:49: syntax error |
| 01:12.22 | sn0w_d0ggy | eliza |
| 01:13.33 | [Merry] | * ibot is in love with eliza |
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| 01:21.49 | [Merry] | bye |
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| 01:27.05 | JBDiGriz | !lart Grumbler |
| 01:27.20 | JBDiGriz | !lart Grumbler |
| 01:27.44 | JBDiGriz | !lart Grumbler |
| 01:28.32 | JBDiGriz | Grumbler: Careful of taking aggressions out on people who have the privileges. |
| 01:29.56 | JBDiGriz | When a tank goes nr, does the client keep showing it moving at the last known speed and angle? |
| 01:30.05 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: yes |
| 01:30.31 | JBDiGriz | Why would a specific tank slow down when it goes nr? I've never seen that happen before. |
| 01:31.46 | JBDiGriz | Are there any additional checks done if it hasn't received an update packet? |
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| 02:37.54 | Grumbler | !lart JBDiGriz |
| 02:38.22 | Grumbler | !lart JBDiGriz |
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| 02:40.16 | JBDiGriz | ~jbdigriz |
| 02:40.20 | | "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger!" |
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| 03:38.03 | wobbly_carrot | hi boys |
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| 05:23.08 | learner | TimRiker: ping? |
| 05:23.48 | learner | did that .so work for you? |
| 05:24.54 | JBDiGriz | it's quiet in here, too quiet. Keep a sharp eye out for an ambush. |
| 05:25.09 | TimRiker | learner: nope. |
| 05:25.28 | TimRiker | which java irc app is pointing to here? |
| 05:25.52 | learner | there's a handful that can point here that I know of |
| 05:26.15 | learner | i have a perl-based one that points here |
| 05:26.38 | learner | http://brlcad.org/irc/ |
| 05:28.16 | learner | noodle's on stats.bzflag.org looks like it's down |
| 05:29.33 | learner | dutchrai has one that may be java, but looks like it's cgi::irc too (just not working for me) |
| 05:29.40 | learner | on shellshock |
| 05:38.37 | learner | oh, and that irc search engine uses one that's java-based |
| 05:38.55 | learner | http://searchirc.com/ |
| 05:40.41 | TimRiker | http://www.pjirc.com/ |
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| 10:49.52 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/win32/VC71 (Makefile.am): bzwtransform.vcproj does not exist, don't try to use it, it breaks 'make dist' |
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| 11:21.26 | larsl | What was the reason for changing AC_CANONICAL_HOST to AC_CANONICAL_TARGET? |
| 11:21.49 | larsl | It seems to break the build system (with autoconf 2.13, automake 1.4). |
| 11:27.29 | Chestal | I get "checking target system type... config.sub: missing argument" on ./configure |
| 11:28.56 | larsl | Yes, me too. But I think I have a fix for it. |
| 11:29.17 | Pimpinella | there r some servers running with the cvs-Version of 1.7. Is there any reason for this or is it only for being up-to-date ? |
| 11:29.18 | larsl | Are you using automake 1.4 (or at least earlier than 1.7)? |
| 11:29.31 | larsl | Pimpinella: It has some bugfixes. |
| 11:30.00 | Chestal | 1.4 |
| 11:30.46 | larsl | Chestal: It looks like automake 1.4 doesn't recognize AC_CANONICAL_TARGET, so it won't install config.sub because it doesn't know that it's needed. I replaced it with AC_CANONICAL_SYSTEM, that seems to work. |
| 11:31.17 | larsl | I'm not sure why Tupone changed it from AC_CANONICAL_HOST, though. |
| 11:31.35 | Chestal | I am clueless about this automake stuff anyway |
| 11:31.49 | Pimpinella | larsl: seems i really dont get anonymous access to cvs. cept trying for days but still get permission denied |
| 11:32.09 | larsl | Pimpinella: Yes, SF has had problems with anonymous CVS for many months. |
| 11:32.15 | larsl | I think there are snapshots somewhere. |
| 11:32.29 | larsl | Or maybe not for the 1.7 branch. Hm. |
| 11:32.47 | Pimpinella | i only found some for 1.9 |
| 11:33.14 | Pimpinella | ill keep searching |
| 11:33.19 | Pimpinella | n:( |
| 11:34.17 | Pimpinella | r there any preparations to run bzfs in a chroot? |
| 11:34.25 | larsl | Pimpinella: I can check out a copy for you if you want. |
| 11:34.43 | Pimpinella | larsl: that would be great |
| 11:35.33 | larsl | Pimpinella: Quol posted a chroot HOWTO on bzbb a while ago. |
| 11:35.33 | Chestal | Pimpinella: I know that some people have done that, but I forgot who it was. I think I rememebr that someone postet instructions on how to do this somewhere a couple months ago, maybe it wsa onbzflag centrum, I am not sure |
| 11:35.40 | Chestal | ah :-) |
| 11:36.19 | Pimpinella | nice |
| 11:36.31 | Pimpinella | will search fot it |
| 11:36.37 | Pimpinella | for |
| 11:37.07 | Pimpinella | larsl: where do u place the cvs-copy? |
| 11:37.20 | larsl | Pimpinella: Can I DCC it to you? |
| 11:38.35 | Pimpinella | think so, but its years since i used DCC.... oh, works, tnx :) |
| 11:39.22 | Pimpinella | running... |
| 11:39.56 | Pimpinella | ...didit |
| 11:42.55 | larsl | Which doesn't work for the new 1.9 list server. =P |
| 11:44.46 | Pimpinella | doesnt work for 1.7 without chroot on my server either... |
| 11:45.06 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): Changed AC_CANONICAL_TARGET to AC_CANONICAL_SYSTEM, because automake 1.4 didn't recognize AC_CANONICAL_TARGET and wouldn't install config.sub, hope this works for other automakes too |
| 11:46.28 | Pimpinella | oh no, it wors now, but i still have to give the URL, the buildin doesnt work |
| 11:46.34 | Pimpinella | works |
| 12:18.12 | Pimpinella | while compiling i get this: |
| 12:18.13 | Pimpinella | /usr/include/linux/compiler.h:17: warning: `__attribute_used__' redefined |
| 12:18.13 | Pimpinella | /usr/include/sys/cdefs.h:195: warning: this is the location of the previous definition |
| 12:18.20 | Pimpinella | is this ok? |
| 12:19.30 | Pimpinella | seems th is not ok :( |
| 12:21.05 | larsl | I've never seen that before. Which componenet were you building? |
| 12:22.11 | Pimpinella | im not that good with that developing-things... |
| 12:22.26 | Pimpinella | it came up several times |
| 12:22.40 | Pimpinella | at various components |
| 12:22.48 | larsl | What was the first error message (one that says "error", not "warning")? |
| 12:24.54 | larsl | And what version of the kernel do you have? My /usr/include/linux/compiler.h doesn't even have 17 lines. |
| 12:25.11 | Pimpinella | have to do another run and lo all, the buffer if full of things like this |
| 12:25.19 | Pimpinella | : undefined reference to `glVertex3fv' |
| 12:25.19 | Pimpinella | ../geometry/libGeometry.a(EighthDimSceneNode.o)(.text+0x3c9): In function `EighthDimSceneNode::EighthDimRenderNode::render(void)': |
| 12:25.19 | Pimpinella | : undefined reference to `glEnd' |
| 12:25.32 | Pimpinella | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 12:25.44 | larsl | That's not good, it looks like it's not linking with the OpenGL libraries. |
| 12:26.07 | Pimpinella | kernel is 2.4.21 vanilla |
| 12:26.14 | larsl | Could you redirect all of the build output into a file and DCC it to me? |
| 12:26.50 | Pimpinella | will do that |
| 12:27.45 | Pimpinella | im compiling on a woody/sid/backports-mix, could this be a problem? |
| 12:28.41 | larsl | I don't know, I've never used a Debian system. |
| 12:28.56 | Pimpinella | i will set up a sid-chroot first and try there.. |
| 12:29.13 | larsl | I have 2.4.21 too, though. |
| 12:29.23 | larsl | With Mandrake patches. |
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| 12:49.28 | Pimpinella | larsl: maybe my compilation-probs result from my compiler-version (which is still gcc2.95 |
| 12:49.30 | Pimpinella | ) |
| 12:49.36 | larsl | Could be. |
| 12:49.59 | larsl | Although I think that at least 1.7g2 should work with 2.95. |
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| 13:09.46 | learner | Pimpinella: you need to have opengl-devel installed |
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| 13:17.49 | learner | Pimpinella: I think you can get what you need from the xlibmesa- gl-dev package |
| 13:19.26 | Pimpinella | learner: back |
| 13:20.39 | Pimpinella | the deps r ok |
| 13:22.01 | Pimpinella | the *gl-dev and *glu-libs are installed |
| 13:22.26 | Pimpinella | *glu-dev libs ... |
| 13:22.57 | larsl | Pimpinella: Where are they installed? I sometimes have to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to include /usr/X11R6/lib when I build GL programs. |
| 13:23.40 | Pimpinella | could look for them, but ./configure found them |
| 13:23.56 | Pimpinella | so that sholdnt be the prob ? |
| 13:24.18 | Pimpinella | xlibmesa-gl-dev |
| 13:24.36 | Pimpinella | wrong commandline |
| 13:30.32 | learner | so it's installed, but not using it |
| 13:30.46 | learner | you need to make it use it :) |
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| 13:59.51 | Pimpinella | i set up a sid-chroot and will try it there, will take half an hour... |
| 14:06.58 | Chestal | learner: VotingArbiter tries to delete a voting booth object, but the d'tor is protected? |
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| 16:34.59 | Pimpinella | TimRiker: with the 1.7-cvs from today i had some troubles with the debian build-system |
| 16:34.59 | brlcad | ibot, sup G? |
| 16:35.01 | | nuthin, yous? |
| 16:35.11 | larsl | ~botsnack |
| 16:35.11 | | thanks, larsl |
| 16:35.22 | brlcad | ~botsmack |
| 16:35.26 | | sure, wanna snort some with me? |
| 16:35.26 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 16:35.32 | brlcad | nah, maybe later |
| 16:35.39 | brlcad | you go ahead, though |
| 16:38.21 | Pimpinella | well thats it for today :) |
| 16:38.53 | Pimpinella | tnx to larsl n learner and who else helped me |
| 16:38.55 | Pimpinella | cu |
| 16:39.21 | larsl | I think 'make dist' is broken in 1.7-CVS too. |
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| 17:50.19 | Chestal | brlcad: you here? |
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| 18:18.13 | Chestal | brlcad: the voting stuff is yours? |
| 18:18.21 | brlcad | yes |
| 18:18.40 | brlcad | er, that is to say that I implemented it |
| 18:19.18 | Chestal | the VotingArbiter has a lien where it deletes a VOtingBooth |
| 18:19.33 | Chestal | but ~VotingBooth is protected, so my g++ resuses to compile |
| 18:20.37 | Chestal | actually, g++ 3.3 compiles it, but I am not sure why |
| 18:21.15 | Chestal | ah, hmm |
| 18:21.19 | brlcad | as did 3.2 |
| 18:21.27 | Chestal | it is public here, strange, let me doube check if I have the correct version |
| 18:21.36 | Chestal | maybe I didn't look close enough |
| 18:21.59 | brlcad | yea.. destructor should be public |
| 18:22.11 | Quol | greetings |
| 18:22.16 | brlcad | hey quol |
| 18:22.22 | Quol | what's up learner? |
| 18:22.24 | Chestal | ok, I was mistaken. But where is implementation for ctors and dtor? |
| 18:22.28 | Chestal | hi Quol |
| 18:22.45 | Quol | anyone here try out fedora 1.0 yet? |
| 18:22.57 | brlcad | src/common/VotingBooth.cxx |
| 18:22.59 | Quol | hello Chestal - I hope things are well with you :) |
| 18:25.14 | Chestal | hmm, strange, I touched VOtingBooth.cxx to force a recompile etc., now it works |
| 18:25.58 | brlcad | indeed.. maybe time to checkout fresh |
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| 18:34.10 | Quol | TimRiker: I remember you gave up on redhat because they were not community friendly - with the intro of fedora, it looks like they are trying to serv the community better (appearences anyway) |
| 18:36.06 | brlcad | Quol: not much happening her, besides being rather busy and stressed at work. how are you? |
| 18:36.16 | brlcad | s/,/e,/ |
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| 18:45.39 | JBDiGriz | Chestal: I hate to bother you while you're so busy, but I had a couple of questions regarding ducati lately. :) |
| 18:45.56 | Chestal | just ask, I can still ignore you :-) |
| 18:46.06 | JBDiGriz | :) |
| 18:46.50 | TimRiker | Quol: time will tell. |
| 18:46.52 | TimRiker | ~status |
| 18:46.53 | | Since Tue Nov 18 15:31:01 2003, there have been 0 modifications, 7 questions, 4 dunnos, 0 morons and 5 commands. I have been awake for 3h 15m 51s this session, and currently reference 85657 factoids. I'm using about 12132 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 88.12/12.47 child 1.11/0.07 |
| 18:47.06 | JBDiGriz | There has seemed to be a lot of server congestion on ducati in the evenings (PST) while I have been on. The lags look good (100ms-200ms). Have you seen any indications on the server? |
| 18:49.48 | Chestal | I haven#t looked lately |
| 18:50.30 | Quol | brlcad: same over here - I am battling with Microsoft over Licensing at the momment and have made my first move - just told them that there "special pricing" for licenses will bankrupt us and that they are forcing us to migrate all our systems to Linux :) |
| 18:50.34 | Chestal | a friend of mien is running a jumping server on ducati port 5157, but he lowered the max player count on my request already, don't know if it's busy sometimes or could be the cause |
| 18:51.07 | JBDiGriz | Is it running with flags enabled? |
| 18:51.23 | Chestal | I guess so |
| 18:51.41 | JBDiGriz | I should check if there are any players on at that point. |
| 18:51.50 | brlcad | Quol: I'd hope you migrate off of Microsoft anyways ;) |
| 18:52.07 | JBDiGriz | It might also be across-the-pond issues, since most players are from North America at that point. |
| 18:52.54 | Quol | brlcad: actually - we can't really - but as much as possible I already have |
| 18:53.53 | Quol | brlcad: we are a complete MS house here - .Net everywhere - all M$ web services, so it's hard to migrate to anything else without changing the entire company and all associated rpoducts, which will kill us anyways :) |
| 18:54.21 | JBDiGriz | Quol: Did you read about the Sun/China deal? |
| 18:55.24 | Quol | JBDiGriz: No - where? sun's site? |
| 18:56.04 | Quol | JBDiGriz: sun and amd also - wow - right on their front page |
| 18:56.10 | JBDiGriz | slashdot, cnn, cnet, etc. |
| 18:56.44 | JBDiGriz | You might want to rethink whether a migration plan will kill the company, or it might be forward thinking. :) |
| 19:03.54 | Quol | JBDiGriz: have already tried that - we would have to hire too many people to make it work and then fire too many people. we are such a microsoft shop that it is hard to change at this state... |
| 19:05.00 | larsl | What Sun/China deal? |
| 19:05.12 | brlcad | China bought the Sun |
| 19:05.20 | brlcad | they're going to start selling daylight |
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| 19:05.35 | JBDiGriz | Sun has made a deal with China to provide 1,000,000 linux licenses at $50 apiece. |
| 19:05.41 | Merry | Hello.. |
| 19:05.47 | brlcad | hi merry |
| 19:05.51 | Merry | !weather Batavia, IL |
| 19:05.53 | Guu | Merry: The current temperature in Batavia, Illinois is 59°F. Conditions are Light Rain. |
| 19:05.57 | Merry | Yo brlcad |
| 19:06.26 | larsl | Ah, their "Java desktop"? |
| 19:07.39 | JBDiGriz | Yes, which is basically sun's distro of suse. |
| 19:08.20 | Quol | ahh - found it - intereseting |
| 19:08.50 | larsl | ~weather essb |
| 19:09.39 | JBDiGriz | ~weather ksan |
| 19:11.23 | Quol | have you guys used star-office? I got a couple of people over here to evaluate it and they threw it out so fast - slow, klunky - nobody liked it. The execs tod me that they would rather pay then deal with that :) |
| 19:11.45 | Quol | tod = told :) |
| 19:12.08 | Chestal | I used to use StarOffice a coupel years ago, back then at least the wor dprocessor was IMHO superior to Word |
| 19:12.20 | larsl | I've only used it in school, it was pretty slow there. |
| 19:12.23 | JBDiGriz | I tried about a year ago, and found it wasn't worth much at that point, but it had potential. I have heard that it has gotten better since then, but I haven't re-evaluated it yet. |
| 19:12.29 | larsl | OpenOffice runs fine at home, though. |
| 19:13.19 | Chestal | I think it's more user friendly |
| 19:13.32 | Chestal | Excel is probablx stronger than StarCalc, though |
| 19:13.34 | brlcad | If you use it from the start to create new documents, neither star office or open office are that bad (though the latter is a bit better, more developed/mature). There are, however, a bunch of little issues with using existing docs in it (2% feature kinds of issues) |
| 19:13.37 | Quol | the trouble at the corporate level, is that since we are doing business world-wide, all documents (not just word and excel but powerpoint/visio also) are exchanged, and OpenOffice/StarOffice doesn't handle those well |
| 19:14.01 | Chestal | yes, on complex documents you are always bound to have some loss |
| 19:14.50 | Quol | I would much rather deploy openoffice company wide then pay Microsoft 500K per year licensing their crap :) |
| 19:15.14 | JBDiGriz | Quol: What was the version of OpenOffice/StarOffice that you evaluated for compatibility? |
| 19:15.23 | Quol | but if it's not acceptible to the end user- meaning it's not exactly the same - then that becomes my downfall :) |
| 19:15.55 | Quol | 1.0 I think |
| 19:16.02 | Quol | OpenOffice |
| 19:16.31 | Quol | we found that they liked OpenOffice over startOffice, was faster, even though they are based on the same thing |
| 19:16.32 | Chestal | if you want a 100% M$ office clone, then openoffice is not for you |
| 19:16.37 | JBDiGriz | SO is at 7.0 and OO is at 1.1. Supposedly they have improved that issue, but marketing is always 90% hype. |
| 19:16.51 | drinian | Quol: I am switching our company slowly to openoffice and 1.1 is working out great. |
| 19:17.11 | Quol | true - I am running another StarOffice round in january to re-evaluate - we will see how that goes :) |
| 19:17.16 | Chestal | I don't think it#s possible to guarantee 100% compatibility, the M$ office document formats are not even publicly docuemnted |
| 19:17.16 | JBDiGriz | drinian: Do you have a migration plan, or are you just moving as you can? |
| 19:17.26 | drinian | Moving as we can. |
| 19:17.39 | Quol | drinian: do you exchange docuements world wide with thousands of customers? |
| 19:17.39 | Chestal | M$ Word is a real stinker :-) |
| 19:17.42 | drinian | We're using Mandrake and I must say I like it much. |
| 19:17.59 | drinian | Not thousands, but OO save native Word documents and Excel. |
| 19:18.29 | JBDiGriz | Quol: I would be very interested to hear your results. I've had several people ask me about writing long range planning documents for data centers. |
| 19:18.41 | drinian | We have standarized on Word format because of legacy documents. |
| 19:18.49 | Quol | drinian: that's my issue: all software development models are Visio, and OLE objects exported to word, with power point stuff - that's the killer |
| 19:18.50 | drinian | No problem there. |
| 19:19.04 | drinian | Yea, ActiveX screws it up. |
| 19:19.51 | drinian | Slashdot had an article recently that The Kompany just gpl'd an Access application...that was a main stoppage for us. |
| 19:20.16 | Quol | if that was working, then I would have a *MUCH* easier time selling it - for now we pay :( |
| 19:20.21 | JBDiGriz | Microsoft always makes it easier to transition to their latest and greatest products, but planning ahead can save the company a lot of money and headaches. |
| 19:20.25 | drinian | We use proprietary access databases...so now I can migrate that too. |
| 19:20.36 | Merry | i g2g |
| 19:20.38 | Merry | bye |
| 19:20.43 | drinian | The license wagon train is just too much for me. |
| 19:20.49 | Quol | JBDiGriz: I will let you know how the January round goes |
| 19:20.59 | JBDiGriz | Quol: Thanks :) |
| 19:21.05 | drinian | We've got to get off the upgrade $$ path of M$. |
| 19:21.27 | JBDiGriz | It's easier to let microsoft plan your migration path for you, but not cheaper. |
| 19:21.36 | drinian | So true. |
| 19:21.56 | drinian | You just have to learn how to do things differently |
| 19:22.27 | Quol | drinian: no kidding - with MS on the phone, I told them to take their proposed "deal" that was over 1 million dollars to get all our products legal over the next 3 years - accomidation for growth included - I fell of my chair and told them that I will find ways to remove any and all Microsoft from here - 1000 less servers for them to put in their market share :) |
| 19:23.02 | drinian | You don't need that kind of threats looming over you all the time. |
| 19:23.26 | JBDiGriz | That's why you should write your own migration plan. You don't need to eliminate microsoft completely, just make sure that you're in control of your own destiny. |
| 19:23.53 | drinian | Besides...I just read in Linux Magazine that there are more server apps for linux now than windows. |
| 19:24.01 | larsl | "Now"? |
| 19:24.16 | drinian | Well...bad use of words. |
| 19:24.23 | Quol | the MS rep asked me how I would go about it - I told him that I could probably force a change to OPenSource for all the e-mail, NT domain stuff, and most production SQL services and all that - he got worried and they are preparing a new "deal" for us to keep us - lol |
| 19:24.25 | JBDiGriz | That depends on how you count, and is again marketing from the linux side. |
| 19:24.57 | drinian | Besides, you don't have to deal with a new and improved technology known as the registry :-) REBOOT. |
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| 19:26.17 | JBDiGriz | Greetings, Tupone. Welcome to the large server installation discussion forum. :) |
| 19:26.34 | drinian | JBDiGriz: I found that just changing over what we could to opensource/linux is the way to go rather than thinking I've go to do it all at once. |
| 19:26.35 | Tupone | greetings to all |
| 19:27.20 | larsl | Tupone: I changed AC_CANONICAL_TARGET in configure.in to AC_CANONICAL_SYSTEM, automake 1.4 didn't recognize *_TARGET. |
| 19:27.22 | JBDiGriz | drinian: Absolutely correct. I haven't seen many companys actually do a 5 year plan, although many have expressed that they want to. |
| 19:27.27 | larsl | I hope it works with later versions. |
| 19:27.46 | Tupone | larsl: I saw. I;m trying |
| 19:27.52 | drinian | Yea I agree. That's the way to go. |
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| 19:39.22 | Tupone | Chestal: your 1.9 ducati is BZFS1909. We are now at BZFS1910 |
| 19:40.00 | Quol | Tupone: 10 has been released?? |
| 19:40.09 | Quol | nothing on the site? |
| 19:40.21 | Tupone | no! we are at 1.9.10 (protocol version) |
| 19:40.25 | JBDiGriz | brlcad: Did you ever try running the xcode compiled bzfs on MacOS X 10.2? |
| 19:40.46 | brlcad | er, no I haven't |
| 19:40.52 | brlcad | but i can really quick |
| 19:41.10 | JBDiGriz | After a little more investigation, I suspect you will get a crash report. |
| 19:42.01 | brlcad | we shall see in a couple seconds.. |
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| 19:44.14 | brlcad | yep, dyld error |
| 19:44.57 | brlcad | dyld: /archive/BZ/bzserver/bzfs can't open library: @executable_path/../Frameworks/libCommonNet.framework/Versions/A/libCommonNet (No such file or directory, errno = 2) |
| 19:45.20 | brlcad | that's part my problem, though.. given how I moved it |
| 19:45.44 | JBDiGriz | Hmm, that looks like you don't have bzfs in the bzflag application package |
| 19:46.04 | brlcad | nope, I moved it |
| 19:46.07 | brlcad | silly me |
| 19:48.22 | brlcad | hrm.. the one in the app seems to work okay for me, if I run it in place |
| 19:49.10 | brlcad | OH.. heh.. you said xcode |
| 19:49.16 | brlcad | never min |
| 19:49.23 | brlcad | mind, haven't tried that |
| 19:50.07 | JBDiGriz | Did you compile it using make? |
| 19:50.16 | brlcad | i did notice that there are two places to specify the compatibility environment, though -- there' |
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| 19:50.33 | brlcad | there's an SDK compatibility version, as well as a link version |
| 19:50.37 | KR | hi all |
| 19:51.01 | JBDiGriz | I might be missing the link version. Where is that? |
| 19:51.04 | brlcad | jb: nope, that was a pbxbuild build on 10.2.. not xcode |
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| 19:55.39 | brlcad | JB, if you get info on the project, go to the "Styles" tab |
| 19:56.03 | brlcad | Under "Standard Build Settings", there is a "Mac OS X Deployment Target" |
| 19:56.40 | JBDiGriz | Ahh, thanks. I'll try rebuilding as well as using a distributed build. |
| 19:57.13 | brlcad | I actually had trouble with the distributed build, but I think it's because there are some targets that specify a non 3.3 compiler |
| 19:57.49 | JBDiGriz | Did you install the optional components on all machines? |
| 19:57.58 | brlcad | yes |
| 19:58.10 | brlcad | actually, other project files worked for me, just not bz |
| 19:58.25 | brlcad | but hey, you're mileage may vary |
| 19:58.28 | JBDiGriz | I noticed that I had missed that on one machine, I had to go back and reinstall. |
| 19:58.52 | JBDiGriz | It's all fun and games anyway. (until someone puts an eye out :) |
| 19:59.43 | brlcad | then it's just fun |
| 19:59.51 | Quol | I have a bad feeling about this fedora RH thing - anyone want to suggest a good linux distro that they are happy with? |
| 20:00.47 | Manu_1 | I'm happy with Slackware 9.1 |
| 20:00.49 | brlcad | I like this distro called Mac OS X. |
| 20:00.56 | brlcad | mostly |
| 20:00.58 | Quol | lol learner |
| 20:01.12 | Quol | they have an intel version yet :) |
| 20:02.11 | JBDiGriz | For servers, I like FreeBSD. and yes there is an intel version of darwin. I can look up the url for the iso image if you would like? :) |
| 20:03.27 | Quol | JBDiGriz: no - I think I will stay within the linux realm - my 4 guys underneath me have just started getting used to RedHat - I don't want to throw BSD at them - especially now any of tha apple crap :) |
| 20:04.40 | Quol | JBDiGriz: just jocking about the apple crap :) if you could make sense of my last sentence that is - through all those typos |
| 20:04.52 | JBDiGriz | I just shut down one of my FreeBSD servers the other day. I upgraded from a 486 to a P4. uptime was 470 days when I shut it down. :) |
| 20:05.33 | trepan | Quol: debian is a nice distro to manage, haven't played with any others in a while |
| 20:05.46 | JBDiGriz | Then again, reliability tends to be at the top of my requirements when I choose an OS. |
| 20:06.22 | Tupone | larsl: tryed automake 1.6 - works! |
| 20:11.09 | Quol | JBDiGriz: freebsd work on SMP machines yet? |
| 20:12.15 | JBDiGriz | Fine grain locking is available on 5.1. The old style locking is in 4.9. |
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| 21:35.03 | Tupone | larsl: I miss you before. automake 1.6 works! |
| 21:35.16 | larsl | OK, great. |
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| 22:00.17 | sn0w_m0nkey | bags |
| 22:00.20 | sn0w_m0nkey | your grumbler? |
| 22:00.21 | Grumbler | monkey |
| 22:00.25 | sn0w_m0nkey | heh |
| 22:00.28 | Grumbler | hehe, yep |
| 22:00.39 | sn0w_m0nkey | i was playing you the other nite :) |
| 22:00.40 | Grumbler | along with many other names |
| 22:00.47 | sn0w_m0nkey | me too |
| 22:00.56 | Grumbler | hmmm.......Shhh |
| 22:01.05 | sn0w_m0nkey | grumbler sounds so grouchy though |
| 22:01.12 | Grumbler | fits me lately |
| 22:01.13 | sn0w_m0nkey | your Shhhh also??!! |
| 22:01.28 | Grumbler | nah, i am not Shh, just guessing at your alias |
| 22:01.39 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahhh not me |
| 22:01.47 | sn0w_m0nkey | but that guys constantly hunts me |
| 22:02.09 | sn0w_m0nkey | even when i am not using my alias...goes after the top score alot..he does |
| 22:02.24 | Grumbler | we played one on one on hashmark to a standstill.....too equally matched |
| 22:02.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | heh |
| 22:03.02 | Grumbler | what were you playing under? |
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| 22:03.10 | sn0w_m0nkey | hmmm |
| 22:03.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | i have used many lately |
| 22:03.31 | sn0w_m0nkey | savage, the fresh pow pow |
| 22:03.35 | sn0w_m0nkey | lets see |
| 22:04.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | can't remember because i usually play hashmark from home..with beers |
| 22:04.30 | Grumbler | heh |
| 22:04.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | you know how that goes |
| 22:05.02 | Grumbler | not lately, i have been medicated lately.......no alcohol |
| 22:05.10 | sn0w_m0nkey | eek |
| 22:05.13 | sn0w_m0nkey | sick? |
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| 22:05.23 | sn0w_m0nkey | i take it |
| 22:05.43 | Grumbler | sick as in flu no.....sick as in pain, yes |
| 22:06.00 | sn0w_m0nkey | bad back? |
| 22:06.08 | Grumbler | they arent sure |
| 22:06.19 | sn0w_m0nkey | that sucks dude |
| 22:06.23 | sn0w_m0nkey | sorry to hear |
| 22:06.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | next time i will take it easy on ya hehehe |
| 22:06.41 | Grumbler | yeah, not a big deal......it only hurts when i do that.....so i dont do that |
| 22:06.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 22:07.14 | Grumbler | but my bz playing is down a little............you might be able to kill me now |
| 22:07.20 | Grumbler | :) |
| 22:07.22 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehehe |
| 22:07.43 | Grumbler | i did get myself a nice toy for all this though.....a zip zap..... |
| 22:07.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | zig zag? |
| 22:08.04 | sn0w_m0nkey | like a rolling machine? |
| 22:08.08 | Grumbler | ~google zip zap |
| 22:08.24 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahhhhhhhh |
| 22:08.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | those are sweet |
| 22:08.31 | Grumbler | it is an RC matchbox basically |
| 22:08.45 | Grumbler | it is really impressive little machine |
| 22:09.02 | sn0w_m0nkey | yeah they are littler rippers |
| 22:09.17 | Grumbler | it runs off a capacitor. |
| 22:09.29 | Grumbler | no batteries....except in the controller |
| 22:09.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | that explains all that punch they have |
| 22:09.58 | Grumbler | one charge lasts longer than 10 minutes and it takes less than 30 seconds to recharge |
| 22:10.20 | Grumbler | headlights, taillights..... |
| 22:10.39 | Grumbler | i am geeking out big time |
| 22:10.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | totally...and i am right there too! |
| 22:11.00 | sn0w_m0nkey | i want one! |
| 22:11.22 | Grumbler | less than $30 for the SE, <$20 for the basic model.....controller included |
| 22:11.40 | sn0w_m0nkey | bookmarked and searching for a local toy store :) |
| 22:11.44 | Grumbler | it is a lunch time toy if there ever was one |
| 22:11.51 | Grumbler | radio shack |
| 22:11.58 | sn0w_m0nkey | oh coooool |
| 22:12.12 | sn0w_m0nkey | one nearby |
| 22:12.33 | Grumbler | the thought that went into the engineering on this little thing is something to smile at |
| 22:12.35 | sn0w_m0nkey | radio shack has that killer tnx giving day sale... |
| 22:12.48 | Grumbler | really.....maybe i should get another one |
| 22:12.50 | Grumbler | :) |
| 22:13.02 | Grumbler | you can race up to 6 simultaneously |
| 22:13.30 | Grumbler | beats my Big Track I had growing up....... |
| 22:13.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | micro machines is a long standing research interest for military |
| 22:13.44 | Grumbler | hahah....really |
| 22:14.14 | Grumbler | manu. in China of course |
| 22:14.31 | sn0w_m0nkey | well...these people gotta make there $ somehow and somewhere |
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| 22:20.59 | sn0w_m0nkey | hey get better bags, later |
| 22:21.08 | Grumbler | thnx, cya |
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| 22:30.26 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (ShotStrategy.cxx): Limiting the amount of shot bouncing to 100. Should go to fix SF 810962 Freezing enemies |
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| 22:53.11 | TimRiker | ~nslookup cvs.bzflag.org |
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| 23:07.58 | HEINOLA | . |
| 23:14.10 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp03995358pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:20.49 | *** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 23:35.17 | HEINOLA | i waswondering if there was info onhow tomake scripts to launch bzfs using customsetting |
| 23:35.42 | HEINOLA | nothing i havedoneso far has worked fully |
| 23:35.48 | Patlabor221 | there is the bat file generators |
| 23:35.59 | HEINOLA | on linuxmandrake |
| 23:36.12 | Patlabor221 | the options in the bat files would be the same on any OS |
| 23:36.18 | Patlabor221 | it's just command switches |
| 23:36.22 | Patlabor221 | not OS specific |
| 23:37.12 | HEINOLA | in map directory if it brb myspacebarisgoingout |
| 23:37.13 | HEINOLA | lol |
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| 23:43.35 | HEINOLA | ok im back |
| 23:43.54 | HEINOLA | wow a working spacebar |
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| 23:46.58 | Patlabor221 | fun |
| 23:50.51 | HEINOLA | what is the public server list ? |
| 23:50.58 | HEINOLA | for bzfs |
| 23:51.53 | Tupone | cannot leave the default ? |
| 23:53.25 | Patlabor221 | the default should work |
| 23:53.35 | Tupone | should be this => http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/list-server.txt |
| 23:53.40 | Patlabor221 | if it dosn't, it depends what verison your using |
| 23:53.49 | Patlabor221 | Tupone, that is only for 1.7.xx |
| 23:53.55 | Tupone | I know :) |
| 23:54.16 | HEINOLA | just wondering what the default was for 1.7g2 |
| 23:54.18 | HEINOLA | ty |
| 23:54.24 | Patlabor221 | then yeah it's that |
| 23:54.46 | Patlabor221 | isn't it allso allways list.bzflag.org? |
| 23:56.17 | Tupone | yeah, that works too |
| 23:56.26 | Tupone | just more direct |
| 23:56.50 | HEINOLA | ty |