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| 00:44.31 | creeperz | Wow, only 18 hours?! |
| 00:44.43 | creeperz | :-) |
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| 00:55.23 | sn0w_d0ggy | Czesc |
| 00:55.26 | sn0w_d0ggy | Hi |
| 00:56.36 | creeperz | Hey people |
| 00:58.44 | sn0w_d0ggy | hi creeperz |
| 01:04.24 | sn0w_d0ggy | ~seen Chikorita |
| 01:04.25 | | chikorita <Chikorita@ACA2E583.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 16h 14m 45s ago, saying: 'hi dis message iz 4 my bz lil sista Merry :) im sowee u query mee buh i not on irc very much anymo(or im on very late @ nite) . if u wanna chat look 4 mee on ducati :) LYLAS!!!'. |
| 01:05.25 | creeperz | ....the grammar! :-O |
| 01:05.27 | creeperz | ;-) |
| 01:05.29 | sn0w_d0ggy | lol |
| 01:06.08 | sn0w_d0ggy | heh |
| 01:06.12 | sn0w_d0ggy | :) |
| 01:06.16 | sn0w_d0ggy | ~seen sn0w_kitty |
| 01:06.16 | | sn0w_kitty <Chikorita@ACA2E583.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 16h 14m 31s ago, saying: 'hi dis message iz 4 my bz lil sista Merry(aka sn0w_d0ggy) all i hafta say iz ... meow =^.^= heehe CATS RULE!! yay yay . uh huh uh huh u kno it ;) LoL'. |
| 01:06.42 | sn0w_d0ggy | heh |
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| 01:06.51 | sn0w_d0ggy | ~seen Rebel Chikorita |
| 01:06.51 | | i haven't seen 'rebel chikorita', sn0w_d0ggy |
| 01:07.01 | sn0w_d0ggy | hmmm |
| 01:07.03 | creeperz | spaceys |
| 01:07.05 | sn0w_d0ggy | hi pat |
| 01:07.09 | sn0w_d0ggy | spaceys? |
| 01:07.10 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 01:07.13 | creeperz | spaces |
| 01:07.19 | sn0w_d0ggy | my bro had a question for ya |
| 01:07.23 | sn0w_d0ggy | but u left |
| 01:07.28 | Patlabor221 | i'm sorry |
| 01:07.32 | Patlabor221 | had to get home |
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| 01:07.38 | sn0w_d0ggy | right when he pulled up a window for ya |
| 01:07.40 | sn0w_d0ggy | lol |
| 01:07.49 | Patlabor221 | I hate when that happens to me |
| 01:08.14 | Patlabor221 | what is up? |
| 01:08.15 | sn0w_d0ggy | lol |
| 01:08.27 | sn0w_d0ggy | he was like "doh" |
| 01:08.28 | sn0w_d0ggy | heh |
| 01:08.41 | sn0w_d0ggy | and threw his hands up |
| 01:08.52 | Patlabor221 | I may need to restart about 5 times here, so speak while you can :) |
| 01:09.02 | creeperz | Never do that in a convertable (with the top down) |
| 01:09.57 | Patlabor221 | actualy that would be the best time for it |
| 01:10.01 | Patlabor221 | since there would be clearance |
| 01:10.32 | sn0w_d0ggy | heh |
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| 01:15.08 | Patlabor221 | 1 down |
| 01:16.11 | Patlabor221 | if all goes well, we shall have bzflag .net 2003 tonight |
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| 01:18.35 | sn0w_d0ggy | creeperz |
| 01:18.37 | sn0w_d0ggy | zz |
| 01:18.48 | sn0w_d0ggy | u guys didn't gab alot |
| 01:18.50 | sn0w_d0ggy | heh |
| 01:18.51 | sn0w_d0ggy | suprise |
| 01:19.36 | magic_syrup | gab gab |
| 01:19.40 | Big_Barrel | dmp u there? |
| 01:21.19 | Patlabor221 | mac, you care if I put all DSP/DSWs in a VC6 dir? |
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| 01:22.16 | MrApathyCream | no as long as you fix all the relative links |
| 01:22.37 | Big_Barrel | hi apathycream :)\ |
| 01:22.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah I'll have to do it twice too :) |
| 01:22.54 | MrApathyCream | lo bigs |
| 01:23.39 | Big_Barrel | hi pat "_ |
| 01:23.44 | Big_Barrel | :) |
| 01:23.55 | Patlabor221 | hello _ |
| 01:25.20 | MrApathyCream | _ ? |
| 01:25.26 | sn0w_d0ggy | hi mac |
| 01:25.41 | MrApathyCream | yosnow |
| 01:26.10 | Big_Barrel | noodleman r u here? |
| 01:26.23 | MrApathyCream | no, he's not |
| 01:26.26 | MrApathyCream | hey! |
| 01:26.30 | Big_Barrel | yes |
| 01:26.31 | MrApathyCream | the noodleman bug is fixed |
| 01:26.37 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:26.42 | Big_Barrel | noodle is not here |
| 01:26.44 | Patlabor221 | I wonder if anyonew was able to use that build I made last ngiht |
| 01:26.49 | Patlabor221 | I think it was a debug build :) |
| 01:26.50 | Big_Barrel | he has only been idle for 9min |
| 01:26.53 | Noodleman | Big_Barrel: i am |
| 01:26.54 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 01:26.56 | Noodleman | whazzup? |
| 01:27.05 | MrApathyCream | are the debug libs dynamically linked? |
| 01:28.12 | Big_Barrel | noodle man, you guys want another match? |
| 01:28.20 | Big_Barrel | i will use different players this time |
| 01:28.27 | Big_Barrel | you can pick server if you want |
| 01:28.36 | Noodleman | right now i'm fixing up some code for stats.bzflag.org |
| 01:28.36 | Big_Barrel | jaguar is on ducati |
| 01:28.47 | Big_Barrel | hehe, take a break and come play :) |
| 01:28.49 | Noodleman | and i don't know where my teamies are :-) |
| 01:28.51 | Noodleman | oh |
| 01:28.56 | sn0w_d0ggy | hey bb |
| 01:28.58 | Noodleman | i'm too engrossed |
| 01:28.58 | Big_Barrel | jag is on duacti :) |
| 01:28.58 | sn0w_d0ggy | lol |
| 01:29.01 | Big_Barrel | hi merry |
| 01:29.02 | sn0w_d0ggy | ur funny |
| 01:29.06 | sn0w_d0ggy | in bzbb |
| 01:29.08 | sn0w_d0ggy | heh |
| 01:29.09 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 01:29.19 | sn0w_d0ggy | ~seen sn0w_kitty |
| 01:29.22 | | sn0w_kitty <Chikorita@ACA2E583.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 16h 37m 37s ago, saying: 'hi dis message iz 4 my bz lil sista Merry(aka sn0w_d0ggy) all i hafta say iz ... meow =^.^= heehe CATS RULE!! yay yay . uh huh uh huh u kno it ;) LoL'. |
| 01:29.22 | Big_Barrel | ah common, we need more active teams in the league |
| 01:29.26 | sn0w_d0ggy | lol |
| 01:29.36 | sn0w_d0ggy | ~seen chikorita |
| 01:29.38 | | chikorita <Chikorita@ACA2E583.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 16h 39m 58s ago, saying: 'hi dis message iz 4 my bz lil sista Merry :) im sowee u query mee buh i not on irc very much anymo(or im on very late @ nite) . if u wanna chat look 4 mee on ducati :) LYLAS!!!'. |
| 01:29.47 | Big_Barrel | u up for it noodle? |
| 01:30.07 | Noodleman | not right now |
| 01:30.17 | Noodleman | but i'll prolly be tomorrow |
| 01:30.22 | Noodleman | or later tonight if i finish |
| 01:30.31 | Big_Barrel | jag wants a match now :) |
| 01:30.36 | MrApathyCream | Noodleman: what was the format of the bzflag graphic? |
| 01:30.36 | Big_Barrel | common plz?? |
| 01:30.45 | Patlabor221 | yay for DSPs being text :) |
| 01:30.47 | Big_Barrel | tim will play instead of carnage |
| 01:30.52 | Noodleman | MrApathyCream: which graphic? |
| 01:30.53 | Big_Barrel | me and tim |
| 01:30.57 | Carnage_ | :( |
| 01:30.59 | MrApathyCream | the shirt graphic |
| 01:30.59 | Big_Barrel | tim is not as good as carnage |
| 01:31.08 | MrApathyCream | (original) |
| 01:31.09 | Big_Barrel | nwell tim will always be in |
| 01:31.13 | Carnage_ | tell the world why dont ya |
| 01:31.13 | Big_Barrel | carnage and i will swap out |
| 01:31.14 | Noodleman | i'm not backing out because we got killed, just that i'm busy |
| 01:31.16 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 01:31.21 | Big_Barrel | :( |
| 01:31.23 | Big_Barrel | durn |
| 01:31.25 | Big_Barrel | plz? |
| 01:31.26 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:31.31 | Carnage_ | just 30 mins |
| 01:31.36 | Noodleman | MrApathyCream: it's a photoshop graphic |
| 01:31.39 | Carnage_ | just 30 mins |
| 01:31.49 | Noodleman | please don't flood the channel |
| 01:31.58 | Carnage_ | 29 mins if we started already |
| 01:31.59 | sn0w_d0ggy | lol |
| 01:32.01 | MrApathyCream | so non vector? |
| 01:32.04 | sn0w_d0ggy | hi carny |
| 01:32.09 | Carnage_ | hi merry |
| 01:32.12 | Noodleman | MrApathyCream: yup |
| 01:32.26 | MrApathyCream | how did it scale so well for the tees? |
| 01:32.28 | Big_Barrel | Noodle: pweeezzz |
| 01:32.31 | Big_Barrel | lol |
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| 01:32.44 | Big_Barrel | jaguar wants to, he is hoping you will come :) |
| 01:32.51 | Noodleman | MrApathyCream: cuz i did it that way :-) |
| 01:33.07 | Carnage_ | noodle we need some matches so we can match tlz for our 200 th match come on |
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| 01:33.17 | MrApathyCream | so what dimensions was it? |
| 01:33.38 | Big_Barrel | noodleman: jaguar is practally begging me to get you |
| 01:34.11 | Carnage_ | isnt doughecca on the team? |
| 01:34.21 | Big_Barrel | yes |
| 01:34.32 | Big_Barrel | just one match |
| 01:34.33 | sn0w_d0ggy | ?Why isn't me nickname chang'in to Merry? |
| 01:34.36 | Carnage_ | Doug are u here? |
| 01:34.41 | Big_Barrel | that will put us at 199 official matches :) |
| 01:34.44 | Merry_ | pff |
| 01:35.09 | Merry_ | hmmrphff |
| 01:36.52 | Merry_ | dis message is for learner, if he sees it.....hey! Imma sorry I missed ya, went out frolicing (spelling?) on BZFlag...prob. ducati or secretplace...if ya want u can join me :) |
| 01:36.54 | Merry_ | Now |
| 01:37.49 | Big_Barrel | Jaguar really wants you to play Noodleman....talk to him for yourself :) |
| 01:38.15 | Noodleman | i really don't have the time for this right now |
| 01:39.02 | MrApathyCream | hmmm Merry must be chikorita |
| 01:39.29 | Carnage_ | nno |
| 01:39.31 | Merry_ | dis is 4 me bz bigga sista, sn0w_kitty, hey! Imma sorry I missed ya! You can e-mail me....and I'll e-mail you...vise versa...well I will see ya lata...but I saw u on today, so...maybe tommorrow.... This is also 4 daBomb, czesc! Ja missed ty! Have a good nac! czymaj sie l8ers....pap...dobranoc...sie ma... |
| 01:39.31 | |tim| | isn't chiko, sn0w_kitty |
| 01:39.36 | Carnage_ | yes |
| 01:39.49 | Carnage_ | not snow doggy |
| 01:40.03 | Big_Barrel | noodle: jaguar says he got his operating system fixed and he can play better now |
| 01:40.44 | Noodleman | that has nothing to do with it, i'm just in the middle of something that has a higher priority right now |
| 01:48.53 | Big_Barrel | ok noodle: we will be around for a while....tell me when you are ready :) |
| 01:52.47 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32 (19 files): make way for VC7 |
| 01:52.47 | Guu | bzflag: 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32 (19 files): make way for VC7 |
| 01:54.03 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/win32/VC6 added to the repository |
| 01:54.03 | Guu | bzflag: 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/win32/VC6 added to the repository |
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| 01:54.56 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (21 files): Move DSP and DSW files to VC6 dir |
| 01:54.56 | Guu | bzflag: 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (21 files): Move DSP and DSW files to VC6 dir |
| 01:55.13 | magic_syrup | uhoh |
| 01:55.16 | magic_syrup | :) |
| 01:55.55 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (bzfs.plg): don't need no stinkin plg |
| 01:55.55 | Guu | bzflag: 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (bzfs.plg): don't need no stinkin plg |
| 01:56.14 | Patlabor221 | that "should"(tm) do it |
| 01:56.57 | magic_syrup | the fact that cvs doesn' t version dirs, stinks |
| 01:57.27 | Patlabor221 | I made a backup |
| 01:57.37 | scanline | magic_syrup: you know you want to switch bzflag to subversion :) |
| 01:58.23 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC71 (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/win32/VC71 added to the repository |
| 01:58.24 | Guu | bzflag: 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC71 (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/win32/VC71 added to the repository |
| 01:58.29 | magic_syrup | scanline: i have this bad vibe that subversion isn't ready yet |
| 01:58.44 | magic_syrup | no real knowledge tho, just the smell coming off of it |
| 01:58.58 | Patlabor221 | perhaps thats the horses |
| 01:59.35 | scanline | heh |
| 02:00.08 | scanline | magic_syrup: subversion's ready, the tricky bit is getting a place to host it |
| 02:01.06 | magic_syrup | Patlabor221: perhaps |
| 02:01.40 | magic_syrup | crs23 mentioned another new versioning software, anyone remember? |
| 02:02.12 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32 (3 files in 3 dirs): make makefiles not be wrong |
| 02:02.13 | Guu | bzflag: 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32 (3 files in 3 dirs): make makefiles not be wrong |
| 02:02.48 | scanline | maybe arch? |
| 02:03.03 | scanline | arch is pretty neat, I just don't like the design quite as much as svn |
| 02:03.12 | magic_syrup | Patlabor221: did you do the replace with a text editor, or thru the gui? |
| 02:03.18 | magic_syrup | no wasn't arch |
| 02:03.25 | Patlabor221 | text |
| 02:03.30 | magic_syrup | cool |
| 02:03.32 | Patlabor221 | then did a test build |
| 02:03.38 | magic_syrup | (probably got them all then) |
| 02:03.38 | Patlabor221 | release and debug |
| 02:03.45 | Patlabor221 | one would hope |
| 02:04.25 | Patlabor221 | here goes the upgrade |
| 02:07.41 | magic_syrup | bzadmin is boosted |
| 02:07.50 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC71 (17 files): converted .net files for use with VC .net 2003+ |
| 02:07.50 | Guu | bzflag: 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC71 (17 files): converted .net files for use with VC .net 2003+ |
| 02:07.55 | Patlabor221 | then fix it :) |
| 02:08.00 | magic_syrup | scoundrel |
| 02:08.15 | Patlabor221 | now ya got something to do, don't complain :() |
| 02:08.24 | Patlabor221 | I never build bzadmin lest I have to anyway |
| 02:08.33 | Patlabor221 | and it was set up wrong |
| 02:08.36 | magic_syrup | its part of bzflag.dsw! |
| 02:08.46 | Patlabor221 | just like zlib and mediafile |
| 02:08.57 | Patlabor221 | so it should be easy for you to fix |
| 02:12.08 | Patlabor221 | grr so much fun stuff to install |
| 02:14.09 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (bzadmin.dsp): fixxy after pat |
| 02:14.09 | Guu | bzflag: 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (bzadmin.dsp): fixxy after pat |
| 02:14.16 | Patlabor221 | what did I miss? |
| 02:15.14 | magic_syrup | all the files where in the wrong directory |
| 02:15.27 | Patlabor221 | I didn't do the extra ../ on it? |
| 02:15.31 | magic_syrup | yes |
| 02:16.38 | Patlabor221 | well looks like they went XML on the .vcproj and .sln files |
| 02:16.43 | magic_syrup | something else going heinously wrong |
| 02:16.46 | magic_syrup | hmmm |
| 02:19.20 | Patlabor221 | wheeee lokit the warnings |
| 02:19.37 | Patlabor221 | lot of double to float warnings |
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| 02:28.54 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (2 files): fix pat's poopoo's |
| 02:28.54 | Guu | bzflag: 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (2 files): fix pat's poopoo's |
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| 02:32.29 | Patlabor221 | wonder if this one fixes the "for" bug |
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| 02:34.25 | magic_syrup | prolly |
| 02:34.35 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (bzflag.dsp): more poop from the laborious one |
| 02:34.35 | Guu | bzflag: 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (bzflag.dsp): more poop from the laborious one |
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| 02:41.26 | Patlabor221 | why would anyone not want to do incremental links? |
| 02:42.23 | magic_syrup | cause it doesn't always work |
| 02:42.33 | magic_syrup | and you get a foobared object file |
| 02:42.36 | magic_syrup | and you forget why |
| 02:42.55 | Patlabor221 | but then you can't edit and continue |
| 02:43.22 | Patlabor221 | where is curses.h? |
| 02:45.05 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (2 files): endless cleanup, it's like the valdez |
| 02:45.06 | Guu | bzflag: 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (2 files): endless cleanup, it's like the valdez |
| 02:45.31 | Patlabor221 | .net does NOT like bzadmin |
| 02:46.00 | *** part/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@navi.cs.colorado.edu) |
| 02:46.18 | magic_syrup | then fix it |
| 02:46.21 | magic_syrup | :) |
| 02:46.30 | Patlabor221 | where is the curses stuff? |
| 02:48.51 | Patlabor221 | does the thing even work on windows? |
| 02:49.10 | magic_syrup | currently it doesn't work with curses. just stdin/stdout |
| 02:49.16 | magic_syrup | it builds and runs on vc6 |
| 02:49.22 | Patlabor221 | do you have curses.h? |
| 02:49.26 | magic_syrup | no |
| 02:49.27 | Patlabor221 | if so where is it? |
| 02:49.31 | magic_syrup | i don't use it |
| 02:49.46 | Patlabor221 | then how does it build? |
| 02:49.54 | magic_syrup | don't include those files of course |
| 02:50.15 | Patlabor221 | #define HAVE_PROTO |
| 02:50.15 | Patlabor221 | #ifdef HAVE_XCURSES_H |
| 02:50.15 | Patlabor221 | #define XCURSES |
| 02:50.15 | Patlabor221 | #include <xcurses.h> |
| 02:50.15 | Patlabor221 | #else |
| 02:50.15 | Patlabor221 | #include <curses.h> |
| 02:50.17 | Patlabor221 | #endif |
| 02:50.34 | magic_syrup | where is that? |
| 02:50.34 | Patlabor221 | ether way it's gonna include one |
| 02:50.46 | Patlabor221 | pd_curses_adapter.h |
| 02:50.56 | magic_syrup | and who includes pd_curses_adapter.h |
| 02:52.45 | Patlabor221 | c:\Documents and Settings\JeffM\Desktop\bzflag\src\bzadmin\BZAdminClient.h(40) : error C2332: 'struct' : missing tag name |
| 02:53.57 | magic_syrup | well add the tag name |
| 02:54.11 | Patlabor221 | sadly, it's a class not a struct |
| 02:55.11 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (3 files): sigh |
| 02:55.11 | Guu | bzflag: 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (3 files): sigh |
| 02:59.15 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/package/win32/nsis (BZFlag.nsi): stop the madness |
| 02:59.16 | Guu | bzflag: 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/package/win32/nsis (BZFlag.nsi): stop the madness |
| 02:59.27 | Patlabor221 | why did that have to change? |
| 02:59.50 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (installer.dsp): stop the madness |
| 02:59.51 | Guu | bzflag: 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (installer.dsp): stop the madness |
| 03:01.45 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/ (8 files in 6 dirs): type cast warnings |
| 03:01.46 | Guu | bzflag: 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/ (8 files in 6 dirs): type cast warnings |
| 03:03.18 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC71 (5 files): |
| 03:03.18 | CIA | make not suck |
| 03:03.18 | CIA | bzadmin is busted |
| 03:03.19 | Guu | bzflag: 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC71 (5 files): |
| 03:03.20 | Guu | bzflag: make not suck |
| 03:03.21 | Guu | bzflag: bzadmin is busted |
| 03:04.02 | TimRiker | BZFlag1.9a0.exe ? there is no spoon. er... a0 |
| 03:04.42 | Big_Barrel | him tim riker :) |
| 03:05.25 | Big_Barrel | tim: this weekend Hell on Wheels is going to dedicate our 200th match to you :) |
| 03:05.31 | Big_Barrel | w/o you where would we be? |
| 03:05.32 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 03:05.38 | Patlabor221 | where do you see a0? |
| 03:06.05 | TimRiker | releasing 1.10 perhaps. |
| 03:06.26 | TimRiker | =) let's get to that by the way.... |
| 03:07.33 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: win32/VC6/installer.dsp |
| 03:07.37 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32 (3 files in 2 dirs): makefiles get right files now |
| 03:07.38 | Guu | bzflag: 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32 (3 files in 2 dirs): makefiles get right files now |
| 03:07.56 | Patlabor221 | is that even used anymore? |
| 03:08.04 | magic_syrup | of course! |
| 03:08.09 | magic_syrup | it builds the thang |
| 03:08.15 | Patlabor221 | then why is it busted? |
| 03:08.27 | magic_syrup | the version number is in BZFlag.nsi now tho |
| 03:08.30 | TimRiker | used for the v6 installer. |
| 03:08.34 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (bryjen@ky-owensboro1a-242.owboky.adelphia.net) |
| 03:08.43 | Patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 03:08.49 | TimRiker | any way to get it from version.h ? |
| 03:08.58 | Patlabor221 | not easaly |
| 03:09.05 | magic_syrup | not with out injecting code |
| 03:10.00 | TimRiker | sed this grep that awk the other and poof! that easy. |
| 03:10.45 | Patlabor221 | then code it up |
| 03:10.56 | Patlabor221 | patches welcome |
| 03:12.13 | TimRiker | now that I have crossover office working, I've not booted into windows in quite a while. |
| 03:12.29 | magic_syrup | nows not the time, pat has borked the build |
| 03:13.03 | Big_Barrel | anyone want a match here? |
| 03:13.35 | TimRiker | magic_syrup: yeah, been watching. |
| 03:17.29 | Patlabor221 | you told me it wasn't gonn hapen till 12/19 |
| 03:17.35 | Patlabor221 | and there are still those nasy GL bugs |
| 03:17.53 | TimRiker | who told who what? |
| 03:18.00 | Patlabor221 | MAC |
| 03:18.09 | TimRiker | what does he know? ;-) |
| 03:18.10 | Patlabor221 | said, you would not release till 12/19 |
| 03:18.16 | Patlabor221 | he checked history |
| 03:18.28 | Patlabor221 | you have done 6/9 or 12/19 for the past 3 releases |
| 03:19.02 | magic_syrup | its 12/09! |
| 03:19.11 | Patlabor221 | you sure? |
| 03:19.18 | magic_syrup | according to sourceforge |
| 03:19.27 | Patlabor221 | and 6/09? |
| 03:19.32 | magic_syrup | hold on |
| 03:19.40 | Patlabor221 | there was a 10 day dif |
| 03:20.05 | magic_syrup | 6/19 and 12/09 |
| 03:20.41 | Patlabor221 | how big is your BZFS? |
| 03:20.49 | Patlabor221 | sorry your bzflag.exe? |
| 03:21.39 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (5 files): if i never see another ..\.., .... |
| 03:21.39 | Guu | bzflag: 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (5 files): if i never see another ..\.., .... |
| 03:22.42 | magic_syrup | me? |
| 03:22.49 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 03:23.10 | magic_syrup | 1,171,456 |
| 03:23.28 | Patlabor221 | 1,167,360 bytes |
| 03:23.42 | magic_syrup | (thats release, btw) |
| 03:23.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah me too |
| 03:23.54 | Patlabor221 | baby's got a fat ass now |
| 03:24.04 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 03:24.04 | CIA | more casting |
| 03:24.04 | CIA | and VC7.1 fixes |
| 03:24.05 | Guu | bzflag: 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 03:24.05 | Guu | bzflag: more casting |
| 03:24.06 | Guu | bzflag: and VC7.1 fixes |
| 03:24.45 | TimRiker | well, I'll be. ;-) e4 was 11/27 ;-) |
| 03:24.47 | Patlabor221 | other then compiler errors in bzadmin it's working wiht VC7.1 |
| 03:25.12 | Patlabor221 | has the same GL issues as the VC build so looks to me like it's working |
| 03:25.34 | TimRiker | bzadmin has GL errors? |
| 03:25.38 | Patlabor221 | no bzflag |
| 03:25.46 | Patlabor221 | fair number of them |
| 03:25.47 | TimRiker | ah. was confused for a sec. |
| 03:26.04 | Patlabor221 | unplayable after an alt+tab |
| 03:26.44 | Patlabor221 | bzadmin has template comile errors in VC7.1 |
| 03:27.23 | *** join/#bzflag orchid_ (orchid@171.225.27.24.cfl.rr.com) |
| 03:29.00 | magic_syrup | put the template function in the class definition |
| 03:29.10 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 03:30.17 | magic_syrup | if you have template functions they probably need to be inside the class { } |
| 03:30.28 | magic_syrup | not int the cpp |
| 03:30.29 | Patlabor221 | I don't know what it is |
| 03:30.46 | Patlabor221 | it dosnt' like this line |
| 03:30.47 | Patlabor221 | class VariableParser<std::string> : public Parser { |
| 03:30.57 | magic_syrup | specialization? |
| 03:31.01 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 03:31.17 | Patlabor221 | error C2906: 'OptionParser::VariableParser<std::string>' : explicit specialization requires 'template <>' |
| 03:31.25 | magic_syrup | how is VariableParser defined? |
| 03:31.31 | magic_syrup | with class or typename? |
| 03:31.36 | magic_syrup | (the template)? |
| 03:31.38 | magic_syrup | parm |
| 03:31.40 | Patlabor221 | template <class T> |
| 03:31.40 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.54 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/win32 (Makefile.am): fix |
| 03:31.55 | Guu | bzflag: 03timriker * 12bzflag/win32 (Makefile.am): fix |
| 03:32.11 | Patlabor221 | ahh good, I dind't know how to make it go in subdirs :) |
| 03:33.41 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/win32 (2 files in 2 dirs): still needs files added/removed |
| 03:33.42 | Guu | bzflag: 03timriker * 12bzflag/win32 (2 files in 2 dirs): still needs files added/removed |
| 03:33.46 | *** join/#bzflag KR (~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com) |
| 03:34.02 | KR | question, if anyone is listening |
| 03:34.11 | KR | after installing bzflag via deb |
| 03:34.36 | KR | should there be makefiles in the /usr/share/bzflag directory? |
| 03:36.57 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): and here |
| 03:36.57 | Guu | bzflag: 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): and here |
| 03:37.48 | magic_syrup | KR: i've never seen them on windows, sorry |
| 03:37.58 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (13 files): final changes? |
| 03:37.58 | Guu | bzflag: 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (13 files): final changes? |
| 03:38.28 | KR | magic : this is on linux - or did u mean u are on windows? :) |
| 03:38.54 | magic_syrup | just kiddin' i'm on windows |
| 03:39.01 | creeperz | I dink i'm goingk to vooooooomitt |
| 03:39.04 | KR | lol ok thats what I thought |
| 03:39.11 | creeperz | ;-) |
| 03:39.29 | KR | creeperz - are u using linux or windows? |
| 03:39.48 | creeperz | linux |
| 03:39.57 | creeperz | I switch like 3 days ago ;-) |
| 03:40.15 | KR | will you do me a favor? look in your /usr/share/bzflag directory |
| 03:40.16 | magic_syrup | i feel for you |
| 03:40.17 | creeperz | (better NOW then never) |
| 03:40.24 | KR | and see if there are any makefiles there? |
| 03:40.36 | KR | ahh congrats! :) |
| 03:41.18 | creeperz | What do yu need from there? |
| 03:41.23 | creeperz | Ohh |
| 03:41.30 | KR | i am trying to track down a bug I have |
| 03:41.40 | KR | can you look in your file manager |
| 03:41.52 | KR | in the /usr/share/bzflag directory |
| 03:42.05 | KR | and tell me if you see any of these files: |
| 03:42.48 | creeperz | files |
| 03:42.52 | KR | makefile, makefile.am, or makefile.in |
| 03:43.17 | creeperz | Nope |
| 03:43.23 | KR | hmmm |
| 03:43.32 | creeperz | In which version?? |
| 03:43.45 | KR | of bz? 1.7g2-1 |
| 03:43.56 | creeperz | Oh |
| 03:43.58 | creeperz | No luck |
| 03:43.59 | KR | using sarge sources thats what you get |
| 03:44.00 | creeperz | Not there |
| 03:44.14 | KR | not in usr/share/bzflag u mean? |
| 03:44.21 | KR | none of them? |
| 03:44.24 | KR | hmmm |
| 03:44.26 | creeperz | none of those files |
| 03:44.53 | KR | now that begs the question - what is different between 1.7g2 and 1.7g2-1 |
| 03:45.04 | KR | changelog time... |
| 03:45.10 | KR | if its there |
| 03:45.14 | Big_Barrel | KR!!! what r u doing here you **##$#@ #@$@$ |
| 03:45.17 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 03:45.19 | Big_Barrel | whats up dude |
| 03:45.24 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com) |
| 03:45.33 | Big_Barrel | can you come play a usa match with me against quol and TC? |
| 03:45.34 | KR | hey you ####ing #####er momma #####s ###er |
| 03:45.38 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 03:45.46 | KR | no am trying to track down this bug I have |
| 03:45.47 | Big_Barrel | can you ? |
| 03:45.48 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 03:45.50 | Big_Barrel | ah |
| 03:45.51 | Big_Barrel | ok :) |
| 03:46.00 | Big_Barrel | i beat Canaduh 1v1 |
| 03:46.02 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 03:46.05 | KR | lol |
| 03:46.07 | Big_Barrel | against TC and carnage |
| 03:46.08 | TimRiker | KR: after installing the deb there should be a /usr/games/bzflag |
| 03:46.12 | TimRiker | the .deb is the binary, not the source. |
| 03:46.17 | TimRiker | apt-get source bzflag would get the source. |
| 03:46.30 | KR | hmm - why a makefile then? |
| 03:46.44 | KR | I used dpkg, basically |
| 03:46.58 | KR | the distro I am beta testing puts a GUI on dpkg |
| 03:47.34 | TimRiker | KR: why do you want a makefile? |
| 03:47.38 | KR | Tim, do you know the diff between 1.7g2 and 1.7g2-1? |
| 03:47.52 | KR | I don't - they are in there - and I am having a weird prob;lem |
| 03:48.14 | KR | I lose control of the mouse in the game, and don't get it back after I quit the game |
| 03:48.19 | bryjen | the -1 may be the rpm package ver? |
| 03:48.40 | KR | nope, don't think so - this is via dpkg (debian) |
| 03:49.10 | bryjen | Ok, so the debian package version? |
| 03:49.18 | KR | let me wipe out the whole directory as root, and reinstall, see if I still get those weird makefiles in there |
| 03:49.24 | KR | lol bry |
| 03:49.35 | KR | i think I saw a -1 rpm too |
| 03:49.48 | TimRiker | KR: some debian bugs. see the changelog. I think the locale files were missing in g2 and re-added in g2-1 |
| 03:49.53 | KR | i figured it was some incremental bug fixes |
| 03:50.02 | KR | ahh ok i c |
| 03:50.13 | bryjen | packaging error |
| 03:50.22 | KR | somebody eeped |
| 03:50.28 | KR | lol |
| 03:51.50 | magic_syrup | yay vc6 works again! |
| 03:53.50 | KR | sheeee-ite! |
| 03:54.08 | magic_syrup | Patlabor221: bzadmin still works in vc6! :) |
| 03:54.10 | KR | I removed bzflag, reinstalled with apt-get |
| 03:54.30 | KR | and have damned makefile sin usr/share/bzflag again...... |
| 03:54.33 | Patlabor221 | haven't tried |
| 03:54.43 | Patlabor221 | curently converting nivie and p24 |
| 03:54.49 | Patlabor221 | I will get latest and try |
| 03:55.11 | KR | sigh |
| 03:55.38 | bryjen | KR: rm /usr/share/bzflag/Makefile* |
| 03:55.57 | TimRiker | heh. well open a deb bug and I'll look into it on the 1.10 release. |
| 03:56.04 | TimRiker | gott sleep |
| 03:56.27 | KR | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"., I can do that - |
| 03:56.46 | magic_syrup | time for the horsies bbiab |
| 04:17.26 | Patlabor221 | oooo fmod added shoutcast/icecast support :) |
| 04:29.19 | *** part/#bzflag KR (~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com) |
| 05:15.00 | *** join/#bzflag wobbly_carrot (~magic_syr@balt-209-163-100-215.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 05:17.57 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
| 05:22.28 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (installer.dsp): the manual step |
| 05:22.28 | Guu | bzflag: 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (installer.dsp): the manual step |
| 05:24.17 | Patlabor221 | whoo man learner is gonna have a shit-ton of mail when he wakes up :) |
| 05:24.17 | wobbly_carrot | amit show up yet? |
| 05:24.26 | wobbly_carrot | commits? |
| 05:24.27 | Patlabor221 | who? |
| 05:24.41 | Patlabor221 | yeah, he's set to get mail on all asgard commits :) |
| 05:24.42 | wobbly_carrot | bzflag-dev mailing list |
| 05:27.31 | Patlabor221 | well VC7 is definatly stricter |
| 05:30.18 | wobbly_carrot | i would guess |
| 05:30.27 | wobbly_carrot | is it compiling? |
| 05:30.52 | Patlabor221 | for bz all but bzadmin |
| 05:31.02 | Patlabor221 | for nivie and P24 yah, just got to make some mods |
| 05:31.06 | Patlabor221 | mostly casting |
| 05:32.35 | Patlabor221 | being able to colapse stuff is nice |
| 05:33.22 | wobbly_carrot | curly braces? |
| 05:33.33 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:33.36 | wobbly_carrot | nifty |
| 05:33.39 | Patlabor221 | classes, structs, whatnot |
| 05:33.54 | Patlabor221 | it also does a little bit of the bounds checkser stuff |
| 05:34.00 | wobbly_carrot | nice |
| 05:34.01 | wobbly_carrot | ! |
| 05:34.15 | Patlabor221 | if you use an uninited variable when debugining, it will ask if you want to break |
| 05:34.20 | captain_proton | have they finally fixed for scoping? |
| 05:34.22 | wobbly_carrot | coo |
| 05:34.36 | Patlabor221 | yes I did the for ( int i = 1) thingy and it worked |
| 05:35.05 | wobbly_carrot | good |
| 05:35.13 | wobbly_carrot | well, i guess i'm gonna have to install it |
| 05:35.23 | Patlabor221 | the IDE also has a command line for those who are inclined to go that way |
| 05:35.45 | wobbly_carrot | for general commands? |
| 05:35.53 | Patlabor221 | it has it's own command set |
| 05:35.57 | wobbly_carrot | search, etc? |
| 05:36.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:36.09 | Patlabor221 | any command in the IDE can be done via CLI |
| 05:36.15 | Patlabor221 | with auto complete |
| 05:37.26 | Patlabor221 | and it can do tabbed source windows instead of MDI |
| 05:37.30 | Patlabor221 | I like that |
| 05:38.04 | wobbly_carrot | like editpadpro |
| 05:38.29 | Patlabor221 | when it's done building any errors or warnings show in a "task list' tab |
| 05:38.43 | Patlabor221 | so you see exactly what you have to do |
| 05:38.56 | Patlabor221 | and you can even put |
| 05:39.01 | Patlabor221 | "todo" items in the list |
| 05:39.07 | Patlabor221 | for yourself or others |
| 05:39.24 | wobbly_carrot | can you 'todo' items be double clickable? |
| 05:39.36 | Patlabor221 | yes, and they can take you to a file/line |
| 05:40.19 | scanline | I think pretty much anything on the screen is double-clickable |
| 05:40.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:40.27 | Patlabor221 | or right click |
| 05:40.35 | scanline | or middle click |
| 05:40.44 | captain_proton | or hover! |
| 05:40.55 | scanline | ooh yes... I bet everything on the screen supports hover |
| 05:41.01 | scanline | at least I hope so |
| 05:41.05 | Patlabor221 | it definatly sucks a lot less then VC7.0 did |
| 05:41.31 | Patlabor221 | tho I did have to map F7 myself |
| 05:41.43 | Patlabor221 | I ain't doing no CTRL + ALT + B |
| 05:41.54 | scanline | didn't you get the memo? |
| 05:42.01 | scanline | everything important in windows has to start with at least two modifiers |
| 05:42.03 | scanline | just like EMACS |
| 05:42.11 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 05:42.28 | Patlabor221 | they made the VC way the same as teh VB way |
| 05:42.38 | Patlabor221 | the IDEs are as similar as they can be now |
| 05:43.31 | Patlabor221 | all the logs are HTML now |
| 05:43.37 | Patlabor221 | the projects and workspaces are XML |
| 05:43.47 | wobbly_carrot | ant support? |
| 05:43.52 | Patlabor221 | ant? |
| 05:45.08 | wobbly_carrot | the build system that uses xml |
| 05:45.31 | Patlabor221 | I didn't see anything specific on that, but I did not look for that |
| 05:45.41 | wobbly_carrot | http://ant.apache.org/ |
| 05:45.43 | Patlabor221 | I just cracked open a vcproj file :) |
| 05:46.11 | Patlabor221 | there is a new "instrt project from web" item on the workspace |
| 05:46.15 | wobbly_carrot | prolly not... was just a kiddin |
| 05:46.52 | Patlabor221 | all the settings dialogs are redone |
| 05:47.06 | Patlabor221 | when you add include paths and the like, you don't have to edit them all on one line |
| 05:47.33 | wobbly_carrot | what a concept |
| 05:48.33 | wobbly_carrot | so what bounds checker like fn's does it have? |
| 05:48.54 | Patlabor221 | so far just the uninit thing I've seen |
| 05:49.17 | Patlabor221 | tho it seems to have something where you can have your app save a "state" when it crashes |
| 05:49.20 | Patlabor221 | then load in that state |
| 05:49.24 | wobbly_carrot | one would think that could be statically done |
| 05:49.24 | Patlabor221 | and debug from there |
| 05:49.32 | wobbly_carrot | coo |
| 05:49.34 | Patlabor221 | yes I think it is |
| 05:49.43 | Patlabor221 | I have not looked fully into it |
| 05:49.48 | wobbly_carrot | i thought you said it allowed you to set a breakpoint? |
| 05:49.49 | Patlabor221 | this is our first week using it |
| 05:50.02 | Patlabor221 | it will if your in the debuger |
| 05:50.14 | Patlabor221 | if your not, then when it pukes |
| 05:50.16 | wobbly_carrot | well then it's not static |
| 05:50.33 | Patlabor221 | if your not, it can give you the option to save a dump file |
| 05:50.38 | wobbly_carrot | it just initializes memory to some heinous value, and then does a data watchpoint automatically for you |
| 05:50.39 | Patlabor221 | like for non devs to use |
| 05:50.52 | Patlabor221 | but I think you have to do that as a special build |
| 05:50.58 | wobbly_carrot | mmm |
| 05:51.07 | wobbly_carrot | could be |
| 05:51.07 | Patlabor221 | you can also debug any running process |
| 05:51.13 | Patlabor221 | not just ones started in the debuger |
| 05:51.22 | Patlabor221 | and atach real symbols to it at any time |
| 05:51.23 | wobbly_carrot | well that was true all along |
| 05:51.26 | wobbly_carrot | through task manager |
| 05:51.30 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:51.32 | Patlabor221 | this is easyer |
| 05:51.38 | Patlabor221 | you can also detach the debuger now |
| 05:51.43 | wobbly_carrot | thats nice |
| 05:51.55 | Patlabor221 | it seems most of it is just nice things |
| 05:52.05 | Patlabor221 | you don't have to use the .net framework |
| 05:52.38 | wobbly_carrot | i believe they made web services development as easy as just putting a tag on a class |
| 05:52.53 | Patlabor221 | I think it's something like that |
| 05:53.21 | wobbly_carrot | opens the door to all kinds of crappy and ill conceived web services :) |
| 05:53.40 | Patlabor221 | that it does |
| 05:55.05 | captain_proton | because i'm tired of adding miscellaneous features? |
| 05:56.26 | wobbly_carrot | heh |
| 06:00.42 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 06:01.12 | wobbly_carrot | unrequited love i guess |
| 06:02.48 | scanline | mmm, blender |
| 06:03.20 | wobbly_carrot | wow |
| 06:03.32 | wobbly_carrot | i don't think i've ever used something so less intuitive |
| 06:03.41 | wobbly_carrot | i have no friggin clue how to do anything |
| 06:03.42 | captain_proton | its not designed to be intuitive |
| 06:03.46 | captain_proton | its designed to be efficient :) |
| 06:03.50 | wobbly_carrot | i guess |
| 06:04.05 | wobbly_carrot | you draw lines, and the objects spin |
| 06:04.05 | Patlabor221 | most of the 3d modelers are defined for work thruput |
| 06:04.15 | Patlabor221 | not ease of learning |
| 06:04.24 | wobbly_carrot | there's usually some semblance of logic |
| 06:04.24 | Patlabor221 | that's why you go to school |
| 06:04.36 | Patlabor221 | have you ever used a 3d modler? |
| 06:04.43 | Patlabor221 | they have have there own method :) |
| 06:04.49 | wobbly_carrot | bzedit :) |
| 06:04.58 | wobbly_carrot | very intuitive |
| 06:05.02 | Patlabor221 | not really |
| 06:05.03 | wobbly_carrot | compared to this anyway |
| 06:05.24 | Patlabor221 | you should try lightwave |
| 06:05.27 | Patlabor221 | its fun |
| 06:05.44 | wobbly_carrot | free? |
| 06:05.50 | Patlabor221 | sadly no |
| 06:06.00 | Patlabor221 | I have not seen a good free modeler |
| 06:06.04 | Patlabor221 | blender is geting there |
| 06:06.07 | wobbly_carrot | mmm, mrsapathycream is sleeping on her pocketbook |
| 06:06.31 | wobbly_carrot | there is a square, circle and triangle. What do they represent? |
| 06:06.52 | captain_proton | wobbly_carrot: you're gonna need to read some tutorials |
| 06:07.18 | triclops | the square is a plane, the circle is your insertion 'cursor' the triangle is your camera |
| 06:07.29 | wobbly_carrot | ah |
| 06:07.42 | wobbly_carrot | and when you draw squiglly lines, the plane rotates? |
| 06:07.54 | wobbly_carrot | circle is your focus? |
| 06:07.55 | triclops | yep, because that is a mouse guesture |
| 06:08.23 | triclops | circle isn't your focus (everythings in focus really) its where new meshes and curves get placed |
| 06:08.25 | scanline | wobbly_carrot: the left button is not for dragging |
| 06:08.35 | Patlabor221 | whoo 73 commits in one night :) |
| 06:08.44 | wobbly_carrot | ah, ok, right is |
| 06:08.47 | scanline | middle button pans/rotates/zooms, right buttons elects |
| 06:08.50 | scanline | er, selects |
| 06:08.53 | triclops | wobbly_carrot: hit 'G' if you want to translate something, 'S' to scale and 'R' to rotate |
| 06:09.03 | wobbly_carrot | why would one drag around a 2d plane in the same plane as itself? |
| 06:09.09 | scanline | "G" for grab :) |
| 06:09.52 | scanline | wobbly_carrot: you should find a tutorial |
| 06:10.05 | wobbly_carrot | bah |
| 06:10.20 | triclops | and download a key refrence chart |
| 06:10.20 | wobbly_carrot | how good could it be if it's this counter-intuitive |
| 06:10.33 | scanline | wobbly_carrot: the only intuitive interface is the nipple :P |
| 06:10.40 | wobbly_carrot | heh |
| 06:10.55 | wobbly_carrot | i'm not the brightest bulb, but this is just silly |
| 06:11.03 | wobbly_carrot | an obfuscated interface |
| 06:11.11 | scanline | once you learn it, it's actually very efficient |
| 06:11.30 | scanline | but the learning curve is steep, and there's no way you'll learn it by random guessing |
| 06:11.36 | scanline | you need a reference and a tutorial |
| 06:11.37 | wobbly_carrot | clicking on the 3d box, tool palette wizmo, seems to do nothing |
| 06:12.06 | scanline | find a tutorial, it will tell you what that's for, whatever you're talking about |
| 06:13.42 | scanline | what were you planning on using blender for? |
| 06:16.13 | wobbly_carrot | I wanted to learn more about gl, but without somewhat interesting graphics it's rather boring |
| 06:16.25 | Patlabor221 | oooooo I'm #5 on CIA for today :) |
| 06:16.44 | captain_proton | blender won't really teach you about GL |
| 06:16.47 | scanline | wobbly_carrot: blender won't teach you anything about GL |
| 06:16.49 | scanline | hah |
| 06:16.51 | wobbly_carrot | i know that |
| 06:16.53 | captain_proton | for that, you need http://nehe.gamedev.net/ ;) |
| 06:17.07 | Patlabor221 | yes the nehe ones are good |
| 06:17.35 | wobbly_carrot | i think i've looked at that |
| 06:17.45 | wobbly_carrot | but thanks |
| 06:17.48 | Patlabor221 | gl itself isn't that hard |
| 06:17.54 | Patlabor221 | it's what you do with it |
| 06:18.15 | wobbly_carrot | yes but without an interesting 'project' it can be pretty boring |
| 06:18.21 | scanline | most general texts/papers/web sites/whatever about 3D graphics can be applied to OpenGL |
| 06:18.42 | wobbly_carrot | yes, know |
| 06:18.52 | wobbly_carrot | no |
| 06:18.58 | scanline | mmm |
| 06:20.01 | Patlabor221 | well thats enough playing with .net |
| 06:20.05 | Patlabor221 | time for sleep |
| 06:20.06 | wobbly_carrot | heh |
| 06:20.10 | wobbly_carrot | switching to vb? |
| 06:20.15 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 06:20.22 | wobbly_carrot | C#BZFlag? |
| 06:20.26 | Patlabor221 | ewww |
| 06:20.34 | Patlabor221 | I could make it "mannaged" |
| 06:20.38 | Patlabor221 | but then it would go even slower |
| 06:22.22 | wobbly_carrot | Here's a real question. |
| 06:22.52 | wobbly_carrot | Do you folks think the the center/size mentality that bz has for objects is good? |
| 06:23.09 | captain_proton | seems to work well enough |
| 06:23.09 | wobbly_carrot | It seems quite limitiing to me |
| 06:23.24 | captain_proton | sometimes its irritating trying to get rotated things to line up |
| 06:23.26 | captain_proton | but *shrug* |
| 06:23.27 | Patlabor221 | if your going to define the world as a bunch of objets, its just as good an anythign else |
| 06:23.30 | wobbly_carrot | it's fine for the objects we have now, but... |
| 06:23.39 | Patlabor221 | it would be better if you didn't have "objects" |
| 06:23.43 | Patlabor221 | but something more generic |
| 06:23.43 | wobbly_carrot | for instance, it would be useful to have a triangle primitive |
| 06:23.52 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 06:23.56 | Patlabor221 | or a plane |
| 06:23.58 | wobbly_carrot | that would be tough with center size |
| 06:24.00 | scanline | if you aren't going to worry about people writing worlds by hand, you could just store a matrix for each object |
| 06:24.17 | scanline | wobbly_carrot: take a look at some existing 3D file format specs, like alias/wavefront .obj, or VRML |
| 06:24.24 | Patlabor221 | obj rocks |
| 06:24.25 | wobbly_carrot | dpm |
| 06:24.33 | wobbly_carrot | don't they just store x,y,z tuples |
| 06:24.37 | scanline | could even look at the format quake uses, though a BSP wouldn't be great for bzflag :) |
| 06:24.51 | Patlabor221 | it would be better then what is there now |
| 06:24.54 | scanline | wobbly_carrot: for vertices.. then lists of vertices for triangles and such |
| 06:24.55 | Patlabor221 | more arbitrary geo |
| 06:25.08 | Patlabor221 | could look at how UT stores it |
| 06:25.19 | Patlabor221 | brush based portal kinda thing |
| 06:25.39 | Patlabor221 | something with CSG would be nice |
| 06:26.01 | wobbly_carrot | scanline: right. |
| 06:26.02 | scanline | you could just use crystalspace, it has a pretty neat visibility culling system that works with pretty much whatever sort of data you throw at it |
| 06:26.04 | captain_proton | csg is such a pain for polgyon renderers :) |
| 06:26.14 | Patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 06:26.17 | wobbly_carrot | csg? |
| 06:26.27 | captain_proton | constructive solid geometry |
| 06:26.29 | Patlabor221 | Constructive Solid Geometry |
| 06:26.31 | wobbly_carrot | ah |
| 06:26.42 | Patlabor221 | could go real terain engine |
| 06:26.43 | captain_proton | building objects via boolean combinations on primitives |
| 06:27.04 | Patlabor221 | have to define what kind of game you want if you go that far |
| 06:27.29 | scanline | wobbly_carrot: you could go help Diablo-D3 on Shadow Conflict :) |
| 06:27.45 | Patlabor221 | the base p24 games are gonna use a 2.5d portal system |
| 06:28.09 | wobbly_carrot | meaning extruded objects in z? |
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| 06:28.27 | scanline | wobbly_carrot: I think he means just for visibility culling |
| 06:28.58 | scanline | wobbly_carrot: you know about portal rendering? |
| 06:29.32 | wobbly_carrot | probably not |
| 06:29.50 | wobbly_carrot | shadow conflict: i'm not much of a strategy fan |
| 06:29.54 | scanline | ok, let's say you have a dungeon-type-game with a bunch of interconnected rooms |
| 06:30.04 | wobbly_carrot | yes |
| 06:30.29 | scanline | assuming, among other things, that the rooms are convex, you could call those rooms 'sectors' and the connections between them 'portals' |
| 06:30.36 | wobbly_carrot | yes |
| 06:30.46 | wobbly_carrot | i've read pat's white papers btw |
| 06:30.51 | wobbly_carrot | but go on |
| 06:30.58 | scanline | so you start by rendering the sector the camera is in, but when you encounter a portal, you use that as a clipping region and render the sector behind the portal |
| 06:31.00 | scanline | etc. |
| 06:31.07 | wobbly_carrot | ok |
| 06:31.19 | scanline | repeat recursively until you have nothing to render |
| 06:31.29 | wobbly_carrot | ok |
| 06:31.33 | scanline | pat's white papers? |
| 06:31.37 | wobbly_carrot | the convexness is key |
| 06:31.52 | scanline | yeah. you can split concave areas into multiple convex sectors easily |
| 06:32.07 | wobbly_carrot | pat's project 24 stuff |
| 06:33.25 | wobbly_carrot | http://project24.bakadigital.com/Project24wiki |
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| 06:41.12 | purple_cow | 3 |
| 06:41.15 | purple_cow | err |
| 06:41.48 | wobbly_carrot | heh |
| 06:54.44 | wobbly_carrot | so does bz just have one box, and just modify a matrix to draw many of them? |
| 06:55.55 | wobbly_carrot | if not would that perform better, or doesn't it matter |
| 06:57.43 | purple_cow | wobbly_carrot: iirc, it has separate objects |
| 06:58.04 | purple_cow | doesn't really impact performance - scene graphs are are pretty efficient way of drawing things |
| 06:58.46 | wobbly_carrot | so other than being non standard and i get that argument, what is it that people don't like about the way gl is used? |
| 07:00.50 | purple_cow | well - it does absolutely no texture management |
| 07:01.04 | wobbly_carrot | what does that mean |
| 07:01.18 | purple_cow | it doesn't keep track of texture IDs very well |
| 07:01.29 | purple_cow | so if a texture object goes out of scope, it could leave the texture allocated in VRAM |
| 07:02.00 | wobbly_carrot | aren't texture ids basically just globals in bz? setup in the beginning and just hang around for ever? |
| 07:02.25 | purple_cow | sortof |
| 07:02.33 | purple_cow | it creates objects for them |
| 07:02.42 | purple_cow | whereas it should probably all be contained inside a singleton |
| 07:03.04 | wobbly_carrot | my question is do they ever go out of scope? |
| 07:03.22 | purple_cow | its been more than a year since i really looked at it |
| 07:03.28 | wobbly_carrot | k |
| 07:13.30 | wobbly_carrot | anyone know how to keep regex from being greedy? |
| 07:13.52 | wobbly_carrot | i want if \(.*\); to NOT match if (a) dosomething(); |
| 07:15.45 | wobbly_carrot | hm i wonder if \([^)]*); |
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| 11:37.16 | bomber | moin |
| 11:37.59 | Quol | hello bomber |
| 11:39.14 | Quol | just popped-in - time to get ready to go to work... |
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| 14:24.55 | KR | hi all |
| 14:25.56 | [dmp] | hi kr |
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| 14:46.00 | brlcad | darn. learner is still sleeping |
| 14:46.07 | brlcad | needed to talk to him |
| 14:49.43 | Noodleman | woowoo, just finished my BZInfo perl module |
| 15:09.33 | rooter | you going to share it somewhere? |
| 15:11.37 | [dmp] | MAN! Finally made a good defintion of "agents" and the stupid mailprogram crashes :( |
| 15:13.41 | rooter | Agents: guys with black suits, black ties and unimaginative sun glasses that fight hackers to the Matrix |
| 15:14.18 | [dmp] | :) |
| 15:14.26 | [dmp] | I'll suggest that :) |
| 15:17.13 | Noodleman | rooter: yeah, i'm going to try and get it into CPAN |
| 15:17.21 | rooter | cool beans! |
| 15:17.34 | Noodleman | yes |
| 15:17.55 | Noodleman | it's much nicer than simply a hacked bzfquery.pl |
| 15:17.56 | Noodleman | it |
| 15:18.01 | rooter | I've made some Java objects that query bzservers |
| 15:18.09 | Noodleman | it's an OOP hacked bzfquery.pl :-) |
| 15:18.14 | rooter | but it needs to be documented |
| 15:18.15 | rooter | ooooh |
| 15:18.16 | rooter | nice |
| 15:18.29 | Noodleman | and it's documented |
| 15:18.33 | rooter | :) |
| 15:23.17 | [dmp] | CPAN is nice :) |
| 15:23.25 | [dmp] | or the stuff there is nice |
| 15:23.31 | rooter | CPAN is nice too |
| 15:23.52 | rooter | perl -MCPAN -e shell |
| 15:26.33 | rooter | lol |
| 15:26.37 | [dmp] | :) |
| 15:28.13 | [dmp] | Anyone knows what LIX-numbers is? (a Lix-number is a estimation of how hard it is to read a text - not sure if its danish or international way of measuring text) |
| 15:29.59 | [dmp] | guess thats a negative :) |
| 15:30.49 | brlcad | Noodleman: BZInfo? |
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| 15:34.45 | brlcad | yo bags |
| 15:34.53 | Bagheera | .....any idea why compiling the 1.9.9 would crash out on rh9 |
| 15:35.09 | Bagheera | yo brlcad |
| 15:35.26 | brlcad | "crash out"? |
| 15:35.52 | Bagheera | it seems to have a problem with the shell type.....it starts barfing on |
| 15:35.57 | Bagheera | sh autogen.sh |
| 15:36.19 | Bagheera | and then if i just run each command individually.......it barfs on the ./configure |
| 15:36.35 | brlcad | define barf |
| 15:36.35 | Bagheera | "cant find bzflag.spec" |
| 15:37.09 | Bagheera | the *.spec.in is there |
| 15:37.49 | Bagheera | barf on autogen = clocal not found, please run aclocal --help |
| 15:38.03 | Bagheera | barf on configure = cant find bzflag.spec |
| 15:38.30 | brlcad | the latter are all dependant on the first one working |
| 15:38.46 | brlcad | can you run aclocal? |
| 15:38.51 | Bagheera | i ran those commands individually..... |
| 15:39.02 | Bagheera | aclocal...etc |
| 15:39.10 | brlcad | did it warn about anything? |
| 15:39.13 | Bagheera | no |
| 15:39.15 | brlcad | it should complete with no output |
| 15:39.48 | Chestal | Bagheera: are you using bash as interactive shell, too? |
| 15:39.48 | brlcad | autoheader should also, though it might say include/config.h.in is unchanged |
| 15:40.04 | Bagheera | if i run the commands in autogen indivudally, it doesnt complain until ./configure |
| 15:40.21 | Bagheera | its a bash shell, i invoke with |
| 15:40.24 | Bagheera | sh autogen.sh |
| 15:40.30 | Bagheera | as the readme states |
| 15:40.51 | brlcad | try removing the space in the configure file on the first line after #! (it's a stretch, but worth trying) |
| 15:41.39 | Bagheera | i tried that, same error.....but on an interesting note, if i aaclocal, it complains about aaclocal....so it doesnt drop a character there |
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| 15:42.11 | Bagheera | i noticed on SF, that rh 9.0 has a separate download.....wondered if there was a known issue |
| 15:42.57 | brlcad | not using the latest snap? |
| 15:43.53 | Bagheera | yes/maybe, i am using the latest snap on dragon.org.....but i noticed the separate download on SF |
| 15:44.15 | Bagheera | oddly, it looks like redhat updated the shell......at least the manpage for it.... |
| 15:44.25 | Bagheera | when i compare rh9 with rh8 |
| 15:45.16 | Bagheera | hmmm, i think razzberry went through this.... |
| 15:45.32 | brlcad | ~sfsnap |
| 15:45.36 | | somebody said sfsnap was http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/ |
| 15:46.46 | Bagheera | i'll give that a try tonight......dont have the rh9 machine here......only rh8 |
| 15:47.12 | Bagheera | and rh7.3, that its a slug |
| 15:47.59 | brlcad | the source tarball shouldn't matter.. it's not specific to anything |
| 15:51.15 | Bagheera | yeah, i understand.......but the rh9 machine is my play machine....the others are already tasked......so i can only try it out on the rh9 machine |
| 15:51.44 | Bagheera | which implies, i have to wait for tonight |
| 16:03.51 | rooter | whooHoo! |
| 16:04.10 | rooter | i'm going to redesign a wine stores web site... |
| 16:04.22 | brlcad | free samples? |
| 16:04.24 | rooter | and get paid in wine! |
| 16:04.40 | brlcad | do you get to pick? |
| 16:04.46 | rooter | of course |
| 16:04.55 | brlcad | cool :) |
| 16:05.07 | rooter | i'm looking forward to it |
| 16:06.03 | rooter | it's a simple site... they asked if $1000 worth of wine be enough |
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| 16:14.43 | Bagheera | .....that depends, is it $1000 of crap wine or good wine |
| 16:14.52 | rooter | whatever I choose |
| 16:15.22 | rooter | so it depends on if my taste in wine is crap or not :) |
| 16:15.34 | Bagheera | cool, if you find you have too much, i am planning to purchase a couple cases in the next few weeks |
| 16:15.42 | rooter | lol |
| 16:15.57 | rooter | one can never have too much wine |
| 16:16.03 | Bagheera | but i have very pedestrian tastes |
| 16:16.09 | Bagheera | that is true |
| 16:16.40 | rooter | pedestrian taste by choice or by expendable income? |
| 16:16.59 | Bagheera | just finished a wine rack with my brother.....he started designing it with only 6 bottles in mind.......i told him it holds 24 or its worthless |
| 16:17.34 | Bagheera | pedestrian taste by choice.........i find the expensive/complex wines not worth the money. |
| 16:17.36 | rooter | built one! cool... I've been meaning to buy one |
| 16:18.38 | rooter | i prefer reds.. cabs, meritage... |
| 16:18.48 | rooter | usually under $15 |
| 16:19.15 | Bagheera | the problem over here(ie, not france) is that the expensive wines are way over priced......in france they only run a $10....so in that sense it is worht it |
| 16:19.46 | Bagheera | i am a 10-15 person myself.....mostly cotes du rhone... |
| 16:20.06 | rooter | mmmmm cotes du rhone... i need wine at work |
| 16:20.32 | Bagheera | ditto...........dang medication |
| 16:21.09 | Bagheera | i will be wine-less for a couple more days......then, I will pick up a couple cases |
| 16:21.23 | rooter | ritalin? I have been drinking a lot of chilean wines |
| 16:21.31 | rooter | pretty cheap and tasty |
| 16:22.13 | Bagheera | cipro..........i started staying away from wines not from france or california.........had a lot of bad choices there for a while |
| 16:23.12 | Bagheera | ....and if germany finally changes there wine regulations, i might pick some deutshe wines up |
| 16:23.38 | rooter | i didn't know they had bad wine regulations |
| 16:24.34 | Bagheera | basically all wines from germany come from the same "processing plant".........good grapes, bad grapes....all go into the same vin |
| 16:24.55 | Bagheera | at least they did, there was talk of changing it not long ago |
| 16:24.58 | rooter | ugh... no wonder I don't remember ever having german wine |
| 16:25.10 | Bagheera | yep |
| 16:25.52 | Bagheera | i didnt know either till i picked up a wine history book......explained a lot of things. |
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| 16:26.24 | Bagheera | like if you are looking for the most consistant tasting wines from france, get wines with the "Villages" extenstion. |
| 16:27.17 | Bagheera | but consistant is not always the greatest.....but it tastes the same for the most part |
| 16:27.18 | rooter | interesting... i'll have to remember that |
| 16:28.09 | rooter | yeah.. but consistant is very nice when you find a good wine |
| 16:29.09 | Bagheera | yep......hence i only purchase cotes du rhone villages, or beaujolis villages........i avoid whites come to think of it...hmmm |
| 16:29.28 | rooter | thanks for the tip... i'll remember that |
| 16:29.40 | Bagheera | good deal though on the job.....$1k will get you quite a number of bottles |
| 16:30.07 | rooter | yeah... especially since its $1000 at cost |
| 16:30.31 | Bagheera | at cost!!!!, dang, that is too much wine for one person.......you should share.... :) |
| 16:30.48 | rooter | i always share |
| 16:30.53 | rooter | girlfriend |
| 16:30.55 | rooter | friends |
| 16:31.03 | rooter | i will definatly need that wine rack |
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| 16:31.41 | Bagheera | hmmm, if you get expensive wines, you might want to go for the refridgerated versions |
| 16:32.08 | rooter | true... I thought about building a wine cellar |
| 16:32.14 | rooter | i have a cool basement |
| 16:32.28 | Bagheera | do it. |
| 16:32.46 | Bagheera | although it may cost more than the 1k income...... |
| 16:32.53 | rooter | cool as in chilly, not cool as in cool beans |
| 16:33.00 | rooter | that's not a problem |
| 16:33.10 | rooter | it's something i've wanted to do |
| 16:33.14 | Bagheera | do it, do it, do it....send pictures |
| 16:33.32 | rooter | although i don't want to do anything to permanent... i'll probably move in a couple years |
| 16:33.56 | Bagheera | they sell free standing.....movable....but the cost is higher |
| 16:34.02 | rooter | figures |
| 16:34.27 | Bagheera | or just buy some oak/pine and make a simple holder....non-insulated |
| 16:34.55 | Bagheera | you get to buy power tools that way |
| 16:35.21 | TyroneFHornigh | More stuff to move :) |
| 16:35.54 | Bagheera | but its WINE and POWER TOOLS.....there is nothing better |
| 16:36.34 | Bagheera | well, except maybe Meg ryan...but that is completely off topic....and she can move herself |
| 16:36.59 | rooter | i have lots of books |
| 16:37.00 | TyroneFHornigh | It's the way she moves herself that makes the difference. |
| 16:37.23 | rooter | actually... the hardest thing i'll have to move is the pool table |
| 16:37.28 | Bagheera | ...good luck with that rooter......LUNCH |
| 16:37.37 | rooter | bye! |
| 16:37.43 | rooter | you must be on the east coast |
| 16:37.48 | rooter | i'm going to lunch too |
| 16:39.01 | brlcad | trees falling down all over work |
| 16:39.14 | brlcad | we've lost two right outside the building so far |
| 16:44.02 | Patlabor221 | sounds nasty |
| 16:44.12 | Patlabor221 | sorry bout your inbox last night brlcad |
| 16:48.05 | TyroneFHornigh | Seems like there's interesting weather all over today. How did you fare in the storm, Pat? We didn't get that much of it. |
| 16:48.14 | Patlabor221 | storm? |
| 16:48.19 | Patlabor221 | there was a storm? |
| 16:48.35 | Patlabor221 | it's just cloudy and nippy here |
| 16:49.15 | Patlabor221 | !weather moorpark, CA |
| 16:49.17 | Guu | Patlabor221: The current temperature in Moorpark, California is 54°F. Conditions are Clear. |
| 16:49.35 | Patlabor221 | well high clouds, but you can see sky thru them |
| 16:49.58 | TyroneFHornigh | LAX got about 3" of rain in an hour. |
| 16:50.08 | [dmp] | cool, guu knows about denmark too :) |
| 16:50.17 | TyroneFHornigh | !rock it |
| 16:50.33 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 16:50.58 | Patlabor221 | I heard some rain the night before last, but didn't hear any last night |
| 16:51.09 | Patlabor221 | we musta been more north of it |
| 16:51.19 | Patlabor221 | guu knows many things |
| 16:51.19 | Guu | Patlabor221: Error: 'knows' is not a valid command. |
| 16:51.20 | TyroneFHornigh | Evidently it was a pretty small storm if it missed you and us, but it was supposed to be intense. |
| 16:51.42 | TyroneFHornigh | brlcad: I assume you didn't ride your bike today? |
| 17:00.45 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (VotingArbiter.cxx): typecasting |
| 17:00.46 | Guu | bzflag: 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (VotingArbiter.cxx): typecasting |
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| 17:06.41 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (BZAdminClient.h): can't call a parmater "interface" VC7 has it #defed as "struct" |
| 17:06.42 | Guu | bzflag: 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (BZAdminClient.h): can't call a parmater "interface" VC7 has it #defed as "struct" |
| 17:07.03 | Patlabor221 | hmm only 2 more problems with BZAdmin |
| 17:07.20 | Chestal | oah, VC7 is evil |
| 17:07.31 | Patlabor221 | 7.1 |
| 17:07.39 | Chestal | defining such common words |
| 17:07.40 | Patlabor221 | and if fixes that scope thing :) |
| 17:07.49 | Chestal | it really does? |
| 17:07.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah, I tested it last ngiht |
| 17:08.07 | Chestal | took them only 10 years or so |
| 17:08.12 | Patlabor221 | I think it's the windows OLE stuff that did the word inteface |
| 17:08.19 | Patlabor221 | now it just dosnt like this |
| 17:08.20 | Patlabor221 | class VariableParser<std::string> : public Parser { |
| 17:08.39 | Patlabor221 | error C2906: 'OptionParser::VariableParser<std::string>' : explicit specialization requires 'template <>' |
| 17:09.13 | Chestal | I'm not very firm with regards to templates, maybe VC7 is right here |
| 17:09.31 | Patlabor221 | so far it seems to be much stricter then VC6 |
| 17:09.54 | Patlabor221 | and code colapse is nice :) |
| 17:10.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah i'm not that tight with templates ether, I mostly just use them |
| 17:11.52 | Chestal | isn't collapsing code dangerous? |
| 17:11.54 | Patlabor221 | context coloring helped me find the interface thing, so that was nice. |
| 17:12.19 | Patlabor221 | it puts a big marker next to it so you know it's shrunk, you just click it and it expands |
| 17:12.20 | Chestal | "ComeauTest.c", line 8: error: specializing class "foo<int>" without "template<>" |
| 17:12.20 | Chestal | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.29 | Chestal | and COmeau is supposed to be 99.9999% compliant |
| 17:12.38 | Chestal | http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout/ |
| 17:12.52 | Patlabor221 | so what should it look like? |
| 17:13.07 | Chestal | template <> struct foo<int> |
| 17:13.55 | Patlabor221 | good lord, are you saying a VC is right? |
| 17:14.26 | Chestal | I fear so |
| 17:14.46 | Patlabor221 | who'd a thunk it |
| 17:15.49 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (OptionParser.h): add template<> infront of VariableParser specialisations, cus it's the right thing to do. |
| 17:15.50 | Guu | bzflag: 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (OptionParser.h): add template<> infront of VariableParser specialisations, cus it's the right thing to do. |
| 17:16.22 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC71 (2 files): Add BZAdmin back into the VC71 build since it works now. |
| 17:16.23 | Guu | bzflag: 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC71 (2 files): Add BZAdmin back into the VC71 build since it works now. |
| 17:16.44 | Patlabor221 | there we go, no errors or wanrins in VC7 now |
| 17:18.03 | Patlabor221 | now to build SDL with the thing |
| 17:19.10 | TyroneFHornigh | It's fun to watch the winderz upgrade viruse in action. :) |
| 17:19.20 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 17:19.40 | Patlabor221 | well If I'm gonna have to use 7.1 for work, may as well go all the way |
| 17:20.23 | TyroneFHornigh | and then everyone else will have to upgrade to keep up with you :) |
| 17:20.37 | Patlabor221 | at work we are all upgrading |
| 17:21.03 | Patlabor221 | but that's why I broke out the stuff into VC6 and VC71 dirs |
| 17:21.17 | Patlabor221 | so the old stuff is still there |
| 17:21.58 | TyroneFHornigh | Too bad, it might have discouraged some of the cheat client creators. |
| 17:22.48 | Patlabor221 | well who said I was gonna keep them updated :) |
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| 17:52.35 | Noodleman | http://files.noodleroni.com/pub/bzflag/BZFlag-Info-1.7.0.tar.gz |
| 17:52.36 | Guu | http://tinyurl.com/uvyg (was <http://files.noodleroni.com/pub/bzflag/BZFlag-Info-1.7.0.tar.gz>) |
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| 17:53.01 | Noodleman | the BZFlag::Info module |
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| 18:02.58 | brlcad | template<> ? |
| 18:03.02 | brlcad | who dat |
| 18:03.23 | Patlabor221 | me |
| 18:03.32 | Patlabor221 | won't compile otherwise |
| 18:08.28 | Patlabor221 | and chestal verified it with another compiler as well, one that is more compliant then gcc it seems |
| 18:08.28 | brlcad | ah.. i think i see the "problem" |
| 18:08.55 | brlcad | he wanted a specialization of the previous template class def.. |
| 18:09.07 | brlcad | template<std::string> class ... |
| 18:09.13 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 18:09.28 | brlcad | funky that it even worked how he had it |
| 18:09.49 | Patlabor221 | it's amazing that my compiler found a real problem :) |
| 18:10.16 | brlcad | i think now it's actually defining a new template class using a templatized type |
| 18:10.30 | Patlabor221 | that's not right then |
| 18:10.33 | Patlabor221 | you gonna fix? |
| 18:10.46 | brlcad | it should still work |
| 18:11.53 | brlcad | I'll play with it later.. the class itself looks useful enough |
| 18:12.23 | brlcad | don't quite see the point of the specializations, though |
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| 18:13.46 | brlcad | hey, I could be wrong.. maybe he did want/mean that explicit specialization.. need to read the code more carefully |
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| 18:15.00 | sn0w_m0nkey | mornin |
| 18:16.52 | TyroneFHornigh | Доброе утро |
| 18:17.56 | Bagheera | typing strange characters again TyroneFHornigh |
| 18:18.16 | TimRiker | ~x jp en ÐобÑое ÑÑÑо |
| 18:18.28 | david_v | umm :) |
| 18:18.28 | brlcad | ⌡-⌠∑⎮⎮∅, jb |
| 18:18.30 | TimRiker | heh. well it's not jp. ;-) |
| 18:18.37 | brlcad | :) |
| 18:19.00 | TimRiker | x en jp I wonder what language it is. |
| 18:19.18 | TimRiker | ~x en jp I wonder what language it is. |
| 18:19.36 | brlcad | ☻ |
| 18:19.45 | TyroneFHornigh | Not one available on Babelfish |
| 18:20.15 | TyroneFHornigh | Although, I have it on very good authority that it really does mean good morning. |
| 18:20.39 | TyroneFHornigh | The UTF8 folks should recognize it. |
| 18:21.38 | brlcad | yay for power outtages all around the northeast |
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| 18:21.56 | Patlabor221 | again? |
| 18:22.10 | brlcad | all day, I'd imagine |
| 18:22.18 | brlcad | winds are "strong" |
| 18:22.20 | Bagheera | and night |
| 18:22.27 | brlcad | we |
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| 18:22.40 | brlcad | we're up to four trees down now |
| 18:22.47 | Bagheera | bay bridge was a "(*&(*&*(&(*&" this morning |
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| 18:22.56 | TyroneFHornigh | A little curing, and you're set for the winter. |
| 18:23.38 | Bagheera | whats the disease |
| 18:24.04 | TyroneFHornigh | I have to explain to a Northeasterner how to cure wood. :) |
| 18:25.13 | Bagheera | hahaha........never know talking to those west coast folks.........they might be talking of bandages and needles |
| 18:25.54 | brlcad | :) |
| 18:25.56 | TyroneFHornigh | it seems the east coast folks are the ones in need of some enlightenment this time. :) |
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| 18:27.40 | brlcad | Patlabor221: I take it back, I think that is what he wanted.. your fix is right, my suspicions were not |
| 18:28.05 | TyroneFHornigh | I just saw Baggy blow by again. :) |
| 18:28.22 | Patlabor221 | all I did was put in what the compiler told me to put in :) |
| 18:28.24 | Bagheera | nah, new client install......still didnt fix this bug |
| 18:28.48 | brlcad | blow? more drug references? :) |
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| 18:50.44 | User416 | tractor trailer just tipped over on rt 50 because of the winds..... |
| 18:53.11 | TyroneFHornigh | Did it dump anything unusual? |
| 18:53.31 | User416 | still trying to find the video feed...... |
| 18:54.43 | Noodleman | it was pretty dang windy here yesterday |
| 18:55.16 | Noodleman | had to drive 100 miles to deposit a check yesterday |
| 18:55.28 | Noodleman | because of the patriot act |
| 18:56.05 | User416 | video feed of that bridge is down....dang it |
| 18:58.25 | User416 | 100 miles to deposit a check, isnt that standard practice out there in the sticks.......no wait, thats right its drive 100 miles to take a bath...sry, got that all mixed up... :) |
| 19:01.57 | Noodleman | hah |
| 19:02.11 | Noodleman | there's a branch for just about every bank but mine out here |
| 19:02.22 | Noodleman | and we aren't exactly in the sticks |
| 19:02.49 | Noodleman | just 1.5 hours to louisville, ky and 3 hours from st. louis, mo |
| 19:03.33 | Noodleman | but i can't open a new checking account until i'm 18 because of the patriot act |
| 19:04.08 | TyroneFHornigh | Notice that you can't vote until your 18 either. No voice in politics. |
| 19:04.19 | Noodleman | that's correct |
| 19:04.43 | Noodleman | and it wouldn't do any good to tell them that i wouldn't have voted for bush if i was 18 |
| 19:04.53 | TyroneFHornigh | You have to depend on people like User416 to have your best interest at heart. :) |
| 19:05.18 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 19:05.18 | brlcad | hi tuponeheh |
| 19:06.18 | User416 | 18, it should be 21.....to drive as well.........dang kids.....................get off my lawn!, you little buggers |
| 19:06.58 | Noodleman | he is quite the curmudgeon, wouldn't you say? :-) |
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| 19:08.38 | brlcad | 1.5 hours to a rather small city and you say you'r "not exactly in the sticks"?? I'd call that the sticks. |
| 19:09.17 | Noodleman | the city i'm in is about 150,000 |
| 19:09.39 | Noodleman | it's not big, but it's not in the sticks :-) |
| 19:09.58 | User416 | yeah, he is in the sticks..........how much rust is on the car, parked in your front yard.......... |
| 19:10.15 | TyroneFHornigh | How large is your city, Baggy? :) |
| 19:10.30 | brlcad | Annapolis is a suburb of baltimore :) |
| 19:10.37 | Noodleman | if you wanna see in the sticks, you should visit Bonanza, Oregon :-) |
| 19:10.58 | User416 | and baltimore is a section of DC |
| 19:11.04 | Noodleman | they have a general store, a bar, a church, and a post office, but they are 4 hours to the nearest civilization :-) |
| 19:11.05 | brlcad | see.. that's not sticks, that's when it turns into "the middle of nowhere", Oregon |
| 19:11.43 | User416 | Bonanza.....isnt that near East Bum F......... |
| 19:11.54 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:12.08 | Noodleman | and how about Bend, Oregon? |
| 19:12.18 | TyroneFHornigh | Baggy is good at deflecting the question to say he's close to larger cities as well. |
| 19:12.31 | User416 | ~slap TyroneFHornigh |
| 19:12.33 | | ACTION slaps TyroneFHornigh, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:12.38 | Noodleman | they're out in the middle of nowhere, with 50,000 people and medium-city opportunities |
| 19:12.42 | TyroneFHornigh | !lart User416 |
| 19:13.09 | TyroneFHornigh | More deflections, eh? :) |
| 19:13.41 | User416 | it always gets violent with those west coasters.......save the squirrels, hug a tree, commit violent acts with an AOL cd. |
| 19:13.51 | User416 | :) |
| 19:14.06 | TyroneFHornigh | Who started the slapping, easterner? |
| 19:14.18 | User416 | lol |
| 19:14.27 | TyroneFHornigh | rotflmao |
| 19:14.47 | TyroneFHornigh | people around here are starting to wonder :) |
| 19:14.58 | User416 | rolling on the floor will do that |
| 19:15.50 | TyroneFHornigh | Then again, they shipped the release today, so there's not much else for me to do. I'm looking into updating the embedded kernel for the next week, but I probably have to find something new after that. |
| 19:16.44 | User416 | ....to answer your question, i have no idea how big my city is..........since this entire area is one big mass of people around balitmore/DC |
| 19:17.37 | User416 | i am trying to clear my head of the mass of nets i just put in........so i can go back and find out if i wired them right...... |
| 19:20.25 | TyroneFHornigh | From the net, Annapolis has a population of 35,000. |
| 19:21.58 | brlcad | and they are like a 15 minute drive to downtown baltimore.. |
| 19:22.10 | User416 | ...heh, the wind just opened the doors to the office............ghost customer arriveth |
| 19:22.28 | User416 | 35 to downtown DC |
| 19:22.48 | TyroneFHornigh | Yeah, but it takes 2 hours to make that drive. :) |
| 19:22.50 | User416 | assuming no traffic, and lack of...er....traps |
| 19:22.57 | brlcad | yes.. traps |
| 19:23.30 | brlcad | corredor is reknowned for those |
| 19:24.37 | User416 | i usually pass 1-3 coming into work.......mostly the other direction....... :) |
| 19:25.47 | TyroneFHornigh | I'll save a log of all this for the next time you want to start dissing the laid back CA lifetyle. :) |
| 19:26.44 | User416 | ... TyroneFHornigh, it only took me 1.25 hrs to get into work this morning......to a nice average of 15 miles an hour...... |
| 19:27.23 | User416 | but spent most of that time on the bridge with beautiful views of the bay.........white caps and all |
| 19:31.05 | User416 | hahah......you have to wonder how many times this happened before the government had to put out this notice http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_822475.html?menu= |
| 19:31.28 | TyroneFHornigh | Here's some views of our bay. http://live.net/sandiego/ |
| 19:32.55 | User416 | still a little hazy.....is that normal?.....or leftovers from the fire |
| 19:33.54 | TyroneFHornigh | That's normal haze, the marine layer. |
| 19:34.07 | TyroneFHornigh | ~weather ksan |
| 19:35.01 | User416 | http://www.baybridgecamera.com/ |
| 19:35.25 | TyroneFHornigh | Lindbergh Field is just to the right of the picture (a little north). You can occasionally see planes gliding in on approach. |
| 19:36.34 | User416 | .....guess i need netscape to get the moving pictures.......firebird is just not enough |
| 19:36.40 | Tupone | hi brlcad |
| 19:36.48 | TyroneFHornigh | a little hazy, and not much water for a bay. :) |
| 19:37.08 | Noodleman | User416: if the moving pictures are with http push, you need netscape 4 |
| 19:37.09 | User416 | their traffic cams mainly...... |
| 19:37.17 | Noodleman | nothing above works with that |
| 19:37.46 | TyroneFHornigh | We get fun cams around here, besides the traffic cams. |
| 19:39.07 | User416 | http://www.aws.com/camera.asp?id=ANNPS |
| 19:41.24 | User416 | not a great shot, I dont think it even looks out at the bay...........i think the land mass in the background is just the other side of the river |
| 19:41.34 | User416 | oh well..... |
| 19:42.24 | TyroneFHornigh | it's better than the traffic cam. |
| 19:46.22 | TyroneFHornigh | Our most famous resident is currently sleeping by himself on a web cam. |
| 19:47.06 | TyroneFHornigh | Mom just came back :) |
| 19:51.33 | User416 | http://www.roadstothefuture.com/Chesapeake_Bay_Bridge.html wow, never know what you find until you ask the question.....how long is the bay bridge..... |
| 19:52.36 | User416 | now know why the lanes are so wide......look at those vintage 70's vehicles |
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| 20:36.24 | Merry_ | ~seen Chikorita |
| 20:36.24 | | chikorita <Chikorita@ACA2E583.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 11h 46m 44s ago, saying: 'hi dis message iz 4 my bz lil sista Merry :) im sowee u query mee buh i not on irc very much anymo(or im on very late @ nite) . if u wanna chat look 4 mee on ducati :) LYLAS!!!'. |
| 20:37.09 | Merry_ | dis is for me bz big' sista Chikorita : Hi u! See ya maybe tonight! bye |
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| 20:38.45 | Legolas | ~d |
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| 21:00.49 | RedRock | is somebody of fortix here? |
| 21:00.59 | RedRock | activeley |
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| 21:07.01 | Tupone | ../../../bzflag/src/bzadmin/OptionParser.h:100: explicit specialization in non-namespace scope `class OptionParser' |
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| 21:33.07 | Death_Barrel | hi guys |
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| 22:06.48 | Tupone | Patlabor221: I got OptionParser.h not compiling for the explicit specialization in non-namespace scope. |
| 22:08.27 | Patlabor221 | I had it not compiling for not haveing the template<> |
| 22:09.04 | Tupone | I read in news that According to the Standard, template specializations can only be declared in namespace scope. |
| 22:09.23 | Patlabor221 | ok then fix it |
| 22:09.29 | Tupone | I not very familiar with that. |
| 22:09.30 | Patlabor221 | I just did what my compiler said to do |
| 22:09.32 | Patlabor221 | nor am I |
| 22:10.01 | Tupone | what to do ? #ifdef ? |
| 22:10.07 | Patlabor221 | dono |
| 22:10.16 | Patlabor221 | what would you swich on? |
| 22:10.24 | Tupone | WIN32 ? |
| 22:10.31 | Patlabor221 | no it's not a windows thing |
| 22:10.45 | Patlabor221 | the old way gave chestal an error in a standards compliant compiler |
| 22:10.56 | Patlabor221 | what is the intent there? |
| 22:11.03 | Patlabor221 | what is the template stuposed to be? |
| 22:11.39 | Tupone | dunno. larsl is not here. I would wait for some template guru |
| 22:11.50 | Tupone | if any |
| 22:11.58 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 22:12.15 | Tupone | what were your compiler? |
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| 22:12.32 | Patlabor221 | VC 7.1 |
| 22:12.42 | Patlabor221 | it's a lot more compliant |
| 22:13.23 | Tupone | I got gcc-3.2.2 |
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| 22:13.41 | Tupone | I look more at google |
| 22:14.43 | Patlabor221 | blrcad sugested using "template<std::string>" instead |
| 22:14.48 | Patlabor221 | but it seemd to compile for him |
| 22:15.35 | Tupone | VC71 compile that? |
| 22:15.46 | Patlabor221 | I did not try |
| 22:16.00 | Patlabor221 | the template<> seemed to compile for brlcad |
| 22:17.51 | Tupone | I'm taking a look at http://www.lrde.epita.fr/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Know/MemberFunctionsTemplateSpecialization |
| 22:18.54 | Guu | http://tinyurl.com/ux0k (was <http://www.lrde.epita.fr/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Know/MemberFunctionsTemplateSpecialization>) |
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| 22:23.01 | Patlabor221 | they are talking about a workaround, sounds like a gcc issue |
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| 22:23.40 | Tupone | it's 1 years ago, too. really dunno |
| 22:24.44 | Tupone | However I commented both the template with all the stuff, and still compile and build :) |
| 22:25.03 | Patlabor221 | I don't even know what that stuff is for |
| 22:25.39 | Tupone | me too. |
| 22:27.04 | Patlabor221 | it does seem like some trickyness in there |
| 22:27.10 | captain_proton | TyroneFHornigh: nobody really knows C++ |
| 22:27.12 | captain_proton | the standard is huge |
| 22:27.13 | Patlabor221 | perhaps scanline or captain_proton can offer comment |
| 22:27.22 | Patlabor221 | and there he is :) |
| 22:28.11 | Patlabor221 | I just know what compiled for me |
| 22:28.16 | TyroneFHornigh | I was talking to this guy named Stroustrup who seemed to know something about it, but he didn't convince me either. :) |
| 22:28.29 | captain_proton | :) |
| 22:29.21 | Tupone | and someone says Ada is complicate ... |
| 22:30.39 | Tupone | ada compiler C written ? I know only Ada written compilers |
| 22:31.03 | Tupone | runtime, of course, is more C based |
| 22:32.34 | Guu | http://tinyurl.com/ux2n (was <http://p24.bakadigital.com/screens/screenshot1.png>) |
| 22:32.44 | Patlabor221 | guu stop that |
| 22:32.45 | Guu | Patlabor221: Error: 'stop' is not a valid command. |
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| 22:34.24 | TyroneFHornigh | Tupone: I haven't found the URL for the technical description of the original Telesoft Ada compiler. |
| 22:34.47 | Tupone | Telesoft for Motorola? |
| 22:37.10 | TyroneFHornigh | That was one of the CPU's it was targeted for. |
| 22:37.55 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: what is that? |
| 22:38.06 | Tupone | So I used that, but long time ago. |
| 22:38.42 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Streamrolling sphere collision is not more a sphere. It's an ellisoid. |
| 22:38.42 | Guu | bzflag: 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Streamrolling sphere collision is not more a sphere. It's an ellisoid. |
| 22:38.54 | Patlabor221 | a big X |
| 22:39.00 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 22:39.16 | captain_proton | gee |
| 22:41.19 | Patlabor221 | it's just the first drawing after redoing all internals |
| 22:41.33 | Patlabor221 | and the return of "the panelmanger" :) |
| 22:42.30 | TyroneFHornigh | Patlabor221: Did you want me to shutup the tinyurl snarfer in #bzflag as well. |
| 22:43.21 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: uh, I'm the founder here, and yes, I do. |
| 22:43.58 | TimRiker | Guu should stop echoing if CIA is going to do it anyway. |
| 22:43.58 | TyroneFHornigh | I noticed that Pat was complaining, if you would like it, I'm happy to accomodate :) |
| 22:43.59 | Guu | TimRiker: Error: You must be registered to use this command. |
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| 22:44.27 | TyroneFHornigh | I can do that as well. |
| 22:44.40 | TimRiker | thanx. |
| 22:44.56 | TyroneFHornigh | !url config tinyurl-snarfer false |
| 22:44.57 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:45.43 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: is there a module for the relaying? I thought it was Relay, but that's not loaded. |
| 22:46.14 | TimRiker | !list |
| 22:46.14 | Guu | TimRiker: Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelDB, Debian, Factoids, Friendly, Fun, Google, Http, Karma, Lookup, Math, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Movies, Owner, QuoteGrabs, Quotes, RSS, Services, Status, Todo, Topic, URL, Unix, User |
| 22:46.35 | TimRiker | !help channel |
| 22:46.36 | Guu | TimRiker: (channel <command> [<args> ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the Channel plugin. Use 'list Channel' to see the commands provided by this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's command to use. |
| 22:46.41 | TimRiker | !list channel |
| 22:46.42 | Guu | TimRiker: addchancapability, chancapabilities, chanignore, chanignores, channel, cycle, halfop, kban, lobotomize, op, permban, removechancapability, setchancapability, setdefaultchancapability, unban, unchanignore, unlobotomize, unpermban, unsetchancapability, voice |
| 22:46.52 | TimRiker | !join #BotPark |
| 22:47.22 | TyroneFHornigh | It's ChannelRelay |
| 22:47.36 | TyroneFHornigh | !reload ChannelRelay |
| 22:47.37 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:48.17 | TyroneFHornigh | There aren't any commands associated with the relay currently. It's a rather simplistic implementation. |
| 22:48.30 | TimRiker | ok. |
| 22:48.38 | TimRiker | !unload RelayChannel |
| 22:48.38 | Guu | TimRiker: Error: There was no callback RelayChannel |
| 22:48.49 | TimRiker | !unload ChannelRelay |
| 22:48.50 | Guu | TimRiker: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:48.53 | TyroneFHornigh | I've turned off the bzflag channeling |
| 22:49.08 | TimRiker | so it's not used by anyone now, correct? |
| 22:49.18 | TyroneFHornigh | It's used by #project24 |
| 22:49.43 | TimRiker | hmm. I thought CIA channel announced there too? |
| 22:49.50 | TyroneFHornigh | no |
| 22:49.54 | TimRiker | why not? |
| 22:50.12 | TyroneFHornigh | We never joined CIA, since there weren't slots available |
| 22:50.24 | TimRiker | hmm |
| 22:50.50 | TimRiker | scanline: what's the setup on CIA for #BZFlag and #project24 now? |
| 22:51.08 | TimRiker | ~seen scanline |
| 22:51.09 | | scanline is currently on #picogui (4h 29m 21s) #bzflag (4h 29m 21s) |
| 22:51.19 | captain_proton | TimRiker: its in neither channel - its probably still announcing here because of a combination of bugs |
| 22:51.48 | TimRiker | sounds like a feature to me. ;-) |
| 22:51.55 | captain_proton | heh |
| 22:52.08 | captain_proton | well - sometimes its a feature, sometimes its a bug |
| 22:53.50 | scanline | yeah, captain_proton knows what he's talking about :) |
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| 22:54.59 | TimRiker | scanline: so does CIA have a concept of a channel he announces to but does not join? |
| 22:55.05 | TimRiker | that's the state here at the moment. |
| 22:55.29 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): make the server respond to a request for an automatic team assignment from the client itself |
| 22:55.44 | captain_proton | scanline: always good to have confirmation that i'm not talking outta my ass :) |
| 22:55.52 | scanline | TimRiker: it shouldn't, it's a bug |
| 22:56.08 | TimRiker | captain_proton: now I didn't hear that he said that exactly.... you might still be. |
| 22:56.09 | scanline | TimRiker: CIA will only send to channels it thinks it's joined to, but it doesn't check for errors when joining |
| 22:56.19 | captain_proton | TimRiker: heh |
| 22:56.21 | scanline | TimRiker: I have no idea why it just started doing this all of a sudden |
| 22:56.39 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 22:56.50 | captain_proton | i wonder if mode+e allows one to be exempt from +N? |
| 22:56.54 | TimRiker | scanline: I suspect that his channel list is full so he can't join. but a msg to #BZFlag still works even when no joined. |
| 22:57.04 | TimRiker | captain_proton: I belive so. |
| 22:57.14 | TimRiker | er believe. |
| 22:57.22 | captain_proton | that might be a really useful way to get around the 60-chan limit |
| 22:57.27 | captain_proton | and a revokable one |
| 22:57.32 | TimRiker | scanline: so he needs a register that's not a join. |
| 22:57.44 | TimRiker | revokeable? by who? |
| 22:57.50 | captain_proton | channel owners |
| 22:57.58 | TimRiker | don't think so... |
| 22:58.06 | captain_proton | if one were to use the current bug to their advantage, there's no way they can get CIA to stop msging |
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| 22:59.34 | scanline | CIA doesn't need any special rights, it just needs a better codebase that lets it connect with multiple bots |
| 23:00.29 | Legolas | ~ibot |
| 23:00.31 | | i guess ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 23:01.14 | orchid | hi Legolas |
| 23:02.07 | orchid | Legolas: can hyou show mery how to make her radar bigger and the shots on screen white instead of color, i tried to help her last night but she couldnt find that in the options |
| 23:02.23 | orchid | mery/Merry |
| 23:02.27 | TimRiker | scanline: yeah, I've been active on #supybot lately too. |
| 23:03.02 | sn0w_m0nkey | whoever sent me the snow....i thank you |
| 23:03.22 | sn0w_m0nkey | off to colorado woohoo! |
| 23:03.31 | captain_proton | sn0w_m0nkey: gonna visit? |
| 23:03.32 | captain_proton | arg |
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| 23:12.33 | TimRiker | ~reload |
| 23:12.33 | | reloading... |
| 23:12.34 | | reloaded: UserExtra.pl |
| 23:12.38 | TimRiker | ~status |
| 23:12.39 | | Since Wed Nov 12 18:45:25 2003, there have been 11 modifications, 60 questions, 47 dunnos, 1 moron and 105 commands. I have been awake for 1d 4h 27m 13s this session, and currently reference 85619 factoids. I'm using about 15280 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. uptimes 722.97,133.95,213.15,19.73 |
| 23:12.57 | TimRiker | !status |
| 23:13.02 | TimRiker | !cpustats |
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| 23:30.14 | TimRiker | ~status |
| 23:30.17 | | Since Wed Nov 12 18:45:25 2003, there have been 11 modifications, 60 questions, 47 dunnos, 1 moron and 105 commands. I have been awake for 1d 4h 44m 49s this session, and currently reference 85619 factoids. I'm using about 15280 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 730.54/135.06 child 213.15/19.73 |
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