irclog2html for #bzflag on 20031026

00:00.59Quoltime to go watch a movie - bbl
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01:00.16sn0w_d0ggyHello
01:00.42dougheckaHello
01:02.10learnerHello
01:03.06sn0w_d0ggyHi learner
01:04.43sn0w_d0ggybye
01:04.46sn0w_d0ggybye learner
01:04.48sn0w_d0ggybye doug
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01:19.49Spiff_Hmmm.  I tried to ghost myself.. 'cause it says "Spiff" is in use.. but then it says that nobody by the username Spiff is online.
01:19.50Spiff_Odddddddddd.
01:20.31learnerthere is no such person on-line
01:20.37SpiffnFinally.
01:20.40learnernow there is :)
01:21.51SpiffSilly thing.
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01:53.24learnerAnother poll :)
01:53.25learnerhttp://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=1143
01:54.46captain_protonintegrated IRC?
01:55.01learner=)
01:59.44cniVhmmm i wonder what that will do
01:59.47cniVin-game irc
02:00.05learnernot necessarily in-game, but integrated
02:00.16cniVoh
02:00.16cniVkinda like warcraft3
02:00.20cniVactually
02:00.24learnersure, tribes has it too
02:00.38cniVi dunno about how tribes does it
02:00.43cniVbut do you mean something like a lobby
02:00.46learnerit's a fairly common thing these days for some reason :)
02:00.47cniVwhich is irc-able
02:00.57cniVlike say #bzflag
02:01.13cniVand then in the actual game no irc
02:01.20learnersure, something like that, though I probably wouldn't choose #bzflag as a default ;)
02:01.23cniVbut you can /msg people in #bzflag
02:01.31learnersure
02:01.39cniVyeah i know what you mean
02:01.41learnerand vice versa..
02:01.52cniVhmmm ive actually got some code for integration with a game
02:01.56cniVintegrating irc
02:02.04cniVbut its for pvpgn
02:02.09learnerI could /msg bzcniV which would relay to you wherever you may be playing
02:02.16learneror somethign similar
02:02.34cniVhmmm
02:02.37cniVyeah
02:02.52cniVi dont think its really that hard to throw in
02:03.00cniVi might do that after the karmasystem ):
02:03.01cniV:)
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02:26.13Quolping
02:26.23learnerpong
02:46.49Quol'gnight
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03:30.22orchidlearner you changed your poll?
03:35.33learnerhmm?
03:46.07learnerheya mac.. when'd you show up?
03:46.16learnersee the polls?
03:51.46learnerand rather demotivated to write code tonight :(
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04:01.51cniVhmmmm
04:13.13JBDiGrizNothing to see here, go back to sleep.
04:13.26MrApathyCreammade tim must be going thru change of life
04:13.27SpiffI plan on it. ;)
04:13.35SpiffI'm going to pick Mandi up in the morning. 0:)
04:14.32MrApathyCreams/made/man/
04:14.57JBDiGrizStill having a hard time parsing that.
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04:55.38NoodlemanSpiff: i think you will have to change your plans about picking up Mandi in the morning
04:55.51Noodlemanyou'll have to dislodge your underwear first
04:55.54Noodleman:-)
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05:02.22SpiffHuh, Noodleman? :)
05:02.30SpiffOhhh.  LoL
05:02.35SpiffDidn't read all of that. ;)
05:03.11Spiff;)
05:03.45Chikoritao hey spiffy
05:03.49Chikorita:)
05:03.53SpiffHiyaz Chik. :D
05:03.59Noodlemanhaha
05:04.12Chikoritaspiffy i got a ? 4 u
05:04.18SpiffShoot. :)
05:04.27learner~shoot spiff
05:04.29ACTION shoots spiff in the head.
05:04.31Chikoritalol@timmays exit message
05:04.42Chikoritao now u ded i cant ask ya
05:04.46Chikorita:P
05:04.58Chikoritaanywayzzz
05:05.05Spiff;)
05:05.17Noodlemanheh
05:05.17Chikoritaduz any1 kno which Zee luzeefa iz?
05:05.28SpiffYes.
05:05.30SpiffThat's BeZee.
05:05.35Chikoritao okies
05:05.41Spiff:)
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05:05.42Chikoritai tho so , jus wanted 2 make sure
05:05.47Chikoritathnx spiff
05:05.59learnereveryone make sure they vote on the polls :)
05:06.08learnerbzbb polls, that is :)
05:06.16SpiffYw Chik. :)
05:06.17Chikoritai was like 75% it was BeZee , 25% sure it was Ginku
05:06.28Chikoritaokies L i wil
05:06.45Chikoritabbl
05:06.52Spiff:)
05:07.05Chikoritalol i did it again
05:07.17SpiffHmmm?
05:07.17Chikoritai pressed my escape button 2 try an exit irc
05:07.21SpiffLoL
05:07.24SpiffOopsa! ;)
05:07.27learnerthat's okay spiff.. you have your comment quota fulfilled for abaout 10 years now :)
05:07.29Chikorita<<<plays wayyy 2 much BZ ah
05:07.41ChikoritaF12 duznt work eitha LoL
05:07.42SpiffSorta like your callsign quota, learner. :)
05:07.51SpiffAlt+F4 would. :)
05:07.56Chikoritaokies bbl 4 rill
05:08.02SpiffC-ya Chik. :)
05:08.10Chikoritadat betta not blow up my HD spiff LoL
05:08.16SpiffLoL
05:08.18SpiffHuh? :)
05:08.24NotEvenCloseheh
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05:48.55SpiffOff to bed now. :)  G'night all... c-yaz. :D
05:49.37Noodleman*chomp*
05:50.04Noodlemani'm a million ladies high!
05:50.21Noodlemani'm a song from the 60's!
05:50.53Noodlemanis that rhinoceros around?
05:51.14Noodlemani think i won the powerball!
05:51.37NoodlemanAAAAAaaaAAAAaaAAAAaaaAAA!
05:52.11Noodlemani was raised by a cup of coffee!
05:55.51NoodlemanSWIM DOWN! SWIM DOWN!
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07:08.22Patlabor221it's a lovely shade of somokey orange
07:08.22MrApathyCreamso, pat about p24....
07:08.22MrApathyCreamgot any documents to read?
07:08.22JackDanielsheh
07:08.22Patlabor221depends, is asgard still up?
07:08.27MrApathyCreamyes
07:08.27Patlabor221do have a bit of a "flamability" problem here
07:08.43MrApathyCreamit is much worse than i thought
07:08.50MrApathyCreamwhich is saying something
07:09.13MrApathyCreamwhere'd that come out of?
07:10.09MrApathyCream..so where on asgard
07:10.09Patlabor221well at one point I could see flames from my porch
07:10.13purple_cowwibblewibble
07:10.16Patlabor221in the forums
07:10.26MrApathyCream:)
07:10.33Patlabor221parts of my town are/were on fire
07:10.38MrApathyCreamheh
07:10.45MrApathyCreamhmm, apparently i have the wrong asgard
07:10.46MrApathyCreamhttp://www.asgard.com/
07:10.52Patlabor221no no
07:10.59Patlabor221p24.bakadigital.com
07:11.04Patlabor221and it's down
07:11.15Patlabor221makes sense, probably dosn't have power there
07:11.26MrApathyCreamwell if you want a BCH to help you on it, i'm in
07:11.35Patlabor221BCH?
07:11.42MrApathyCreamBZFlag Certified Hacker
07:12.12MrApathyCreamand if not, i'll test
07:12.16Patlabor221you should read the logs, we had a "discussion" with tim today, sadly it did not go well, and sadly it's my faut that he got mad :(
07:12.47MrApathyCreami read them
07:12.51MrApathyCreamit was bad
07:13.03MrApathyCreami didn't see anything said that was bad
07:13.14MrApathyCreamIt was surreal
07:13.47Patlabor221good gravy, /me things purple panzers avatar needs a bit of croping
07:14.02purple_cowwibblewibble/
07:14.05purple_cowerf
07:14.10JackDanielsWee..
07:14.14MrApathyCreamok, i'll byte wibblewibble?
07:14.31purple_cowi only meant to say it once
07:14.39MrApathyCreamlearner it's just crap, all crap,
07:14.41MrApathyCream:)
07:14.43purple_cowthis damn zaurus wireless thing
07:14.51JackDaniels:)
07:15.11scanlinewibblewibblewibble
07:15.22scanlinedamn ibook autorepeat
07:16.51purple_cowJackDaniels: no, hopefully i can pick it up on tuesday
07:17.08JackDanielsewww
07:17.10scanlineI'll leave you two alone
07:18.02purple_cowheh
07:18.08MrApathyCreamwell, it's time to leave camp crazy... nite
07:20.10CIA03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (global.h): added automatic team
07:20.57CIA03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/common (Team.cxx): added automatic team label and invalid index protection in accessors
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07:22.44ReedRichardsI swear if my server catches on fire I will be pissed
07:23.40purple_cowReedRichards: i know the feeling
07:24.33CIA03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (menus.cxx): added automatic team selection label as default
07:24.55ReedRichardsno, purple_cow, I don't think you do. I mean the building burning down. a while ago the freeway onramp less then 1000 feet from the building was on fire
07:25.23purple_cowReedRichards: ohhh
07:25.24ReedRichardsI looked out the front door, and could see 10 foot flames on the hill
07:25.24purple_cowyuck
07:25.31ReedRichardsyeah
07:25.39ReedRichardsone of those CA fires, is right here
07:25.44ReedRichardsthe freeway I use is closed
07:25.47CIA03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (Player.h): applying tupone's patch; added member function to set a player's team
07:25.58ReedRichardsI have been stuck in another town for about 4 hours now
07:26.06ReedRichardswell I just got home
07:26.06BenjermanJGrimyikes
07:26.15ReedRichardsI was stuck there for a while
07:26.18BenjermanJGrimdidn't that fire start on Friday?
07:26.34ReedRichardshad to drop the bike off at parents house, cus I could not ride in the ashes
07:26.55ReedRichardsno, that fire is in san bernidno, and one in ojai
07:27.01ReedRichardsthe one right here was a new one
07:27.16ReedRichardsthe ojai one is now buring the hills above the town I was stuck in
07:27.31ReedRichardsbig lines of fire on them
07:27.59ReedRichardsI had to drive about 45 min around the closed stuff to get home
07:28.15ReedRichardstho looks like it's all out around here
07:28.29ReedRichardssome of the houses by the college got taken out
07:28.50ReedRichardsthankfully there is a river and a quary between me and them, tho I think they are out now, it's moving east
07:29.11CIA03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (bzflag.cxx): added ability to set automatic team via command line
07:29.44ReedRichardsI went offline earlyer cus power kept droping
07:29.50ReedRichardsprobably why asgard is offline
07:39.50CIA03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx):
07:39.50CIAapplied tupone's patch ([ 828522 ] Let system choose your team)
07:39.50CIAthe client can select to automatically join a team
07:39.50CIApresently the team selection is random, but it may be updated in a backwards-compatible way.
07:39.52CIAeventually needs to join the most empty and weakest team.  eventually, the server can also
07:39.54CIAget involved with a server config to auto balance team joins.
07:53.16CIA03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (2 files): applied patch that adds client-side automatic team selection
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07:58.31ReedRichardshttp://mas.scripps.com/VCS/2003/10/26/Npcountyfires26_e.jpg
07:58.40ReedRichardsthat's a picture from this town, taken today
07:59.56learnercool
08:00.08learnerI'll bring the weenies if you bring the burgers
08:00.10Patlabor221that's from a school less then a mile away
08:02.14Patlabor221this sucks, I can taste the air
08:02.17Patlabor221even inside
08:02.25Patlabor221don't know if I can sleep
08:05.16Patlabor221it's like that feeling you get when your around a campfire
08:05.21Patlabor221smells and feels like that
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08:09.00Chikoritahello any1?
08:09.15learnerhiya
08:09.28Chikoritahi L help mee?
08:09.43Chikoritaspoogebob he iz on stonehenge CTF
08:09.51Chikoritahe iz sayin SICK stuffs
08:10.00Chikoritaan TKing every1
08:10.07Chikoritahe iz messin everythng upz
08:10.09Chikorita:(
08:10.11learnerstonehenge? :(
08:10.14Chikoritaya
08:10.21Chikoritarammy iz there 2
08:10.30learnerI don't know any stonehenge admins
08:10.38Chikoritamee neither ..
08:10.52Chikoritao wel i gues i can only report it here
08:10.58learnersowee
08:11.16Chikoritatis ok , not ur fault
08:11.36Chikoritawow stil upz eh?
08:11.57ChikoritaFFA iz gonna gib mee a stroke 1 day LoL
08:12.05Chikoritamakes mee sooooo angry ahhh!
08:12.06learneryea still up
08:12.15learnerI'm bored
08:12.18Chikoritaesp. wen mean peeps play
08:12.19Chikoritaaww
08:12.21learnerjust starting to get tarred, though
08:12.25Chikoritao
08:12.32Chikoritaso ur like ..dis...
08:12.36Chikoritao.-
08:12.39learneryes, the idiots are annoying
08:12.40Chikorita-.o
08:12.41learnerlol
08:12.43Chikoritalol
08:12.47Chikoritauh huh
08:12.52learneryes, or maybe o.-
08:12.57Chikoritaesp. spooge
08:13.00scanlineChikorita: ooooooo, its u!
08:13.06Chikoritauh o
08:13.11scanlineLoL!
08:13.11Chikoritascanline: hello
08:13.21scanlinehiya peeps
08:13.40scanlinewut r u up 2 tonite?
08:13.46Chikoritantm
08:13.54scanlineawww
08:13.54Chikoritafightin wif spooge ...
08:14.00Chikoritatryin 2 get him kicked
08:14.00scanlinewe iz watchin hackerz
08:14.14Chikoritao
08:14.14scanlinemy roomie iz cereal killah!
08:14.18learnerMmmm.. good movie :)
08:14.18Chikoritadatz an ok movie
08:14.34Chikoritazero burn
08:14.44Chikoritaan um
08:14.52learnerwow.. good memory
08:14.53scanlineacid crunch!
08:14.56Chikoritasumtin ...crash
08:15.00Chikoritaacid crash!
08:15.04Chikoritayeaa LoL
08:15.09Chikoritacrash an burn ums
08:15.10scanlineLol!!!!
08:15.12Chikoritaheh
08:15.26scanlineu shud be more like acid crash
08:15.37Chikorita<<<good memry , xcept wen i forgetz
08:15.40ChikoritaLoL
08:15.46Chikoritaheehe scanline
08:15.51scanlinenah, u nevah forgetz
08:15.53scanlineLoL
08:16.05Chikorita:P
08:16.07scanlineu shud rite scriptz 4 moviez!
08:16.14Chikoritai shud ya
08:16.20scanlinebig... battle gophers
08:16.33scanlinean a m00se! LOL
08:16.54learnersamurai gophers would rock
08:17.20Chikoritai write umm a movie bout bad sarcastic poopheads dat mock peeple who r nice
08:17.23SamuraiGopherhuaaa!!!
08:17.23Chikorita;)
08:17.27Chikoritalol L
08:18.03scanlinenah u write a movie bout sum ninja hax0r an a big bowl a rice
08:18.13SamuraiKittylol
08:18.52scanlinean a giant sausage robot or somfin LOL
08:19.00scanlinenoooo
08:19.16SamuraiGopherwha who? .. damn that meditation
08:19.35scanlineif u fall asleep the zombie gophers might eat ur head LoL
08:20.08scanlineu need more cheese!!!!
08:20.25SamuraiKittycos cos iz like rice
08:20.27SamuraiKittybuh betta
08:20.33scanlinenah, macaroni
08:20.33SamuraiKittyeva try cos-cos?
08:20.47SamuraiKittyitz yum
08:20.50SamuraiKittyan easy 2 make
08:20.50scanlinei like da sin-sin bettah
08:20.53scanline:P
08:20.55SamuraiGopherdepends how it's seasoned
08:20.59SamuraiKittysin sin?
08:21.01SamuraiGopheri've had good and bad :)
08:21.06SamuraiKittyo aww
08:21.25scanlinesoweee i make bad trig jokes LOL
08:21.26SamuraiKittycheessseeee
08:21.34SamuraiKittyooH
08:21.37SamuraiKittyi get it
08:21.38SamuraiKittyheh
08:21.46SamuraiGopheryea, that was bad :)
08:21.48scanlineu need a fish
08:22.01scanlinebig fish! LOL
08:22.09scanlineorange fish
08:22.23SamuraiKittythers ur fish ;)
08:22.26scanlineowwww!!!!!
08:22.30SamuraiKittyheehe sowee
08:22.37scanlineme hed hurrrtt... ow...
08:22.39SamuraiKittyoops brb
08:25.02scanlinepoingy poingy
08:25.19SamuraiKittyokies imma go c if rammy iz ok ...bbl
08:25.26SamuraiGopherhave fun
08:25.41SamuraiKittyu 2
08:26.00scanlinehmm, I think I successfully communicated
08:26.15purple_cow=)
08:26.35SamuraiGopheryou did pretty well
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14:38.40CIA03chestal * 12bzflag/src/common (Team.cxx): fix implicit int->enum converion, rewrite the code a little
14:44.38CIA03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): use clear() instead of pop_back() loop
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15:32.48tapoquol - thats the site for custom maps, right?
15:33.14Quoltapo - I have a site for tha purpose - yes
15:33.34CIA03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): map info->team <-> menuindex correctly; make manual team selection work again; we still need real info about team counts to make auto team balance
15:33.50Quolwas working on a site to help organize it - but it never went anywhere as I don't have much time to put into it - unfortunately :(
15:34.44tapooh :-/
15:36.13Quoltapo- di you have a map that you wanted me to host?
15:37.09taponot yet - I am coding tools to create objects for maps. it is on sourceforge, and I am just trying to loose my nerves in uploading a new release..
15:43.10bzgirltapo: what kinds of objects?
15:48.29tapobridges, tunnels, trees
15:48.32tapoblock pyramids
15:48.41tapoyou can place them whereever you want on the map.
15:48.48taporotation ans translation is done automagically
15:50.00tapolink: http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/bmcclt/  click on "Home page" to see some screenshots.
15:51.31tapoI have some more ideas. will code them in the next days...
15:52.56Quolinteresting tapo - looks great
15:53.42tapothanks, I like to read lines like that :-)
15:54.27tapoth eprojects started when it was rainy and I wanted to see the sun going down and some trees...
15:54.36QuolI bet, in my experience the positive comments are usually withheld and the negative comments are usually always brought to light
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16:05.51bzgirltapo: i fear we might see some frame-rate crushing maps with your tools :) but it looks great neverthless
16:06.01tapo:-)
16:06.46tapoI've seen simpler trees in a map today. with one big pyramid unstead of serveral small ones.
16:07.14bzgirlthe huge pyramids usually make my FR drop drastically
16:07.32taporeally? oh.
16:08.22tapomy pyramids are better than those I've seen. Thats what I think :-). I have three boxes one over another. Most maps have "vertical boxes".
16:08.53taposo, do say it in oscillation overthruster language, driving through you will onyl cross one box.
16:09.02tapodo=to
16:09.16tapoI hope that is better :)
16:10.46tapocurrently I am coding on a special wall. lots of boxes... :-) we'll see how it works
16:10.53bzgirlis one of your maps currently on a public server?
16:11.25taponot really. there a 3 trees on ducati.bzflag.org:5155.
16:11.40bzgirloh?
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16:14.10KRhideee ho children
16:14.20tapomr hankey!
16:14.28KR:)
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16:18.28bzgirltapo: trees look really good
16:18.35tapo:)
16:18.56tapoa forest is cool. but lots and lots of pyramids...
16:18.57bzgirltapo: and my frames are 212 normal and drops to 202-200 near the trees
16:19.01Quolcute little trees tapo -
16:19.08bzgirlhi kr & patty
16:19.14bzgirl& david_v
16:19.17KRhi
16:19.54david_vheya all
16:20.06Quolhello david_v
16:20.09david_vrunning on 2.6.0-test9... yeepee :)
16:20.54bzgirldavid_v: is alsa the default sound enviroment now in 2.6?
16:21.26david_vyep
16:21.47david_vworks nicely, imo
16:22.02david_vhmmm
16:22.19david_vChanServ gives up its breath...
16:22.56david_vbzgirl: whatever you do if you use 2.6... don't build sound modules. compile it in :) i think it's too much latency otherwise. at least in the first releases i tried
16:23.04david_vQuol: *sniff*
16:23.37david_vbrb, going to Ducati
16:24.11bzgirldavid_v: im the worst kernel configurator in this hemisphere, so i will stick with debian's stock kernel
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16:25.13david_vbzgirl: ah ok, i haven't been using Debian for a few months so i'm not sure how they'll lay it out there
16:25.23david_vhm, bzflag keeps crashing in observer mode
16:25.34david_vdoes anyone know a workaround /fix?
16:25.40david_vthis is with 1.7g2
16:26.19david_v(in Linux)
16:26.26Quolnever had any problems with it over here - running on win2K/XP/redhat8/redhat9
16:26.32david_vcurious
16:26.41david_vsometimes it works just fine... but lately it's been crash prone
16:27.05david_vi guess it got fed up with watching ugly tanks in close-up
16:27.24david_vi say no names :)
16:27.47david_v~d
16:29.32david_vcrash again... two minutes, and then it crashes. sometimes earlier
16:30.09david_vit segfaults for some reason
16:31.52Chestaldavid_v: hmm, strange. Have you tried different Observer modes/view? Toggle the labels maybe?
16:32.44david_vChestal: hm have to try that. i didn't start messing up until recently
16:34.30david_vcrash again. i don't think it ever crashed in this mode before (following a tank)
16:36.02Chestalmaybe it's not related to observer mode? have you tried a different server?
16:37.35david_vhmmm
16:37.44david_vwell no it is observer mode related, i never crash during gameplay
16:37.51david_vbut i think i just found out something interesting
16:38.06david_vi have a theory that if i don't change which tank i view within a certain time, it segfaults
16:38.25david_vat least i could run for a little while without crashing this time :)
16:38.27Chestalmaybe bzflag gets bored and dies
16:38.42david_vcould be :)
16:39.36david_vtesting again... to make it crash, and to make it not to crash. should settle it hopefully
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16:42.06david_vnow it refuses to crash... how impolite :)
16:42.08david_voh well :)
16:43.23tapowriting help abput how to use a map object tool is the most work...
16:50.56tapohow can I see the framerate in bzflag?
16:51.54Chestalt
16:52.12SamuraiGopherChestal: nice,thanks ;)
16:53.30tapome too
16:58.28bzgirla way for the server to line up observers by time, and automatically insert them as other players leave would be nice also :)
16:58.49tapodamn, something wrong in my code...
16:59.57[dmp]bzgirl, could give some fun effects at (official) matches with a ref, if one of them is disconnected :-)
17:00.13[dmp]one of the players..
17:00.24SamuraiGopherbzg: do you think that might encourage lurkage? :)
17:01.27bzgirli donno, i didnt think it through :)
17:06.04SamuraiGopheractually, now that I think of it .. I think that's what it does now..
17:06.43SamuraiGopheryou just don't see it since there are multicolored observers in 1.7
17:07.09SamuraiGopheror maybe not..
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17:21.20tapotesting for 40 minutes. loosings nerves. now I see I've forgotten to call the constructor with the new paramter that should've sovled the problem... hell...
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18:27.11TuponeMrApathyCream: got my message
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18:59.56MrApathyCreamTupone: yes
19:00.11Tuponewhat do you think about?
19:00.20MrApathyCreammakes sense
19:01.15Tuponealso, we want simulate real player, not parkinson ... man
19:01.30Tuponej/k
19:02.21TuponeI think that action must not be taken within 10/20 msec
19:02.35Tuponelunch!
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19:21.36JBDiGrizhiya pat, we get the ash fall around here today. How are you doing?
19:23.27patlabor221jbd, I had to leave my house, since there were firetrucks in the parking lot
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19:24.21patlabor221some parts of my city were/are on fire
19:28.10JBDiGrizyech, i didn't realize it had gotten that close to you. I hope all is well.
19:30.57patlabor221dono, I'm not there now, after lunch I'm gonna ride over and see what is up
19:31.19dougheckaaka galking :)
19:31.36patlabor221they seem to be geting it as soon as it gets near streets tho, since they have hydrants
19:32.48CIA03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): added some l33t tweaking per eric s raymond jargon dictionary
19:35.23MrApathyCream"all we ever get is "Patches welcome" and that tells me, "work on it yourslef, cus we don't want to help""
19:35.24MrApathyCream:)
19:35.39MrApathyCreamthats good reading
19:35.45SamuraiGopherheh
19:35.52patlabor221well that's what i seems like to me sometimes
19:36.06MrApathyCreampatlabor221, i'm with you
19:36.08patlabor221I really didn't want to make him mad
19:36.14patlabor221I feel bad about that
19:36.20MrApathyCreamstill, it's a good read
19:37.46patlabor221sucks that he didn't see our point
19:38.15SamuraiGopherFMH .. indeed ;)
19:38.50MrApathyCream<TimRiker> it's clear that it's not "there is no plan"
19:39.08MrApathyCream<TimRiker> but rather "we don't like the plan unless it's just to piddle around in the area of the code that we are interested in playing with".
19:39.11MrApathyCreamhehe
19:39.17MrApathyCreamah that's good
19:39.20MrApathyCream*chuckle*
19:39.32SamuraiGopheryes, that was humorously upsetting
19:39.49SamuraiGopher~ispell diminuize
19:39.54possible spellings for diminuize: Dominguez simonize immunize Domini's diminutive dominoes diminish Domini diminishes Dominique diminutives domino's Dominic Dominik communize dimities demonetize
19:39.55MrApathyCream<TimRiker> that does not change that I _have_ asked for help on the things that I feel are important and that nobody wants to help.
19:40.04MrApathyCream:D
19:40.26SamuraiGopherdiminishs the efforts of all the other developers that are actually working on something
19:40.58MrApathyCreami must say he _HAS_ done alot of work this time in the area of WS, so i guess i can't complain
19:41.08SamuraiGopherheh
19:41.28MrApathyCreamI will never understand this paranoia about protocol breaking versions
19:41.50MrApathyCream"It will be hard to move the user base"
19:42.03patlabor221I say make the app self healing, then who cares what they change
19:42.04MrApathyCreamwhat all 20 of them? Learner can fly around the country and personally do the upgrades!
19:42.20dougheckalol
19:42.59MrApathyCreamI'm the opposite, you absolutely SHOULD NOT allow older client versions on new servers
19:43.00patlabor221mac I'm gonna try to go turn asgard back online so you canread up. asuming I can get there, and the builduing is still standing
19:43.14SamuraiGopherheheheh
19:43.34MrApathyCreampatlabor221, cool
19:43.35patlabor221MAC, onece you read my server overview, you will undestand how you can have old and new co-existing
19:43.36MrApathyCreami'm in
19:43.52patlabor221since the concept of "cient" gets a bit difrent in my ideas
19:43.53MrApathyCreami don't want old
19:43.58MrApathyCreambut ok
19:44.07patlabor221you will see
19:44.10patlabor221new is best
19:44.21patlabor221but this will allow ease of transition
19:44.38MrApathyCreamhow could transition be any easier? it's not like it needs to be hot deployable
19:44.47MrApathyCreamyou download, you install, you run
19:44.57MrApathyCreamperhaps *nix makes this chore difficult
19:45.06patlabor221well yes, this idea just makes the computer help you do all that
19:45.09MrApathyCreambut it takes about 10secs on win32
19:45.30patlabor221it would even do it automaticly
19:45.33MrApathyCreami tremble at the thought of having to upgrade
19:45.47MrApathyCreamall that down time, i could be so much more productive in that 10 seconds
19:46.29dougheckahah
19:46.56MrApathyCreami said it awhile ago, just have the list server not support 1.7
19:47.05MrApathyCreampeople will migrate :)
19:47.15patlabor221I'm trying to see if google has a cache of the forums :)
19:47.26MrApathyCreamheh
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19:48.16patlabor221naw it dosn't have one
19:48.37MrApathyCreambummer
19:48.43dougheckawhat forum?
19:48.47SamuraiGopherwhat about wayback, pat?
19:48.51MrApathyCreamcan't you just email me it?
19:48.59patlabor221don't have it here
19:49.01patlabor221I'm not at home
19:49.20patlabor221it was going to be posiblely on FIRE
19:49.24patlabor221so I left
19:49.33patlabor221doug, the other forums
19:49.39patlabor221for the other thing
19:49.39dougheckaah
19:50.17SamuraiGopherah, wayback machine doesn't have bzbb archived
19:50.29dougheckanope
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19:51.02MrApathyCreamwhat's the url of wayback?
19:51.12SamuraiGopherarchive.org
19:51.49patlabor221did not know there was such a thing
19:52.01SamuraiGopherhttp://www.archive.org/web/web.php
19:52.13SamuraiGopheryes, it's pretty sweet if the site is popular  :)
19:52.18dougheckayea, it archives some stuff way back... its wierd seeing a website in its early stages
19:52.36SamuraiGopherfun stuff to see stuff like yahoo.com over the years
19:52.55dougheckaslashdot is pretty funny on wayback :)
19:53.40SamuraiGopheroh, true.. :)
19:53.59MrApathyCreamthe amazing thing is the breadth of stuff
19:54.16dougheckahaha
19:54.21MrApathyCreammy old crappy isp-site is there (chesco.com)
19:57.40SamuraiGopherah, the good ol' days when slashdot polls had less that 2000 voters
19:58.01SamuraiGopherwayback doesn't go back far enough ;/
19:58.22dougheckahaha
19:58.30dougheckaand nearly no first posts
19:58.31doughecka:)
19:58.56SamuraiGopherand most article contributions were posted by CmdrTaco
19:59.05dougheckahah
20:09.31Legolas~d
20:10.29SamuraiGopherhowdy legs
20:12.01Legolashi
20:14.37MrApathyCreamSamuraiGopher, go work on karma
20:14.40dougheckayou can help me persuade a guy in japan that has 100 mbs fiber to his house to host a server... :)
20:15.03MrApathyCreamSamuraiGopher, just do it the way you think it should. :)
20:15.14bzgirldoughecka: i can convince him, whats in it for me?
20:15.30SamuraiGopherMAC: i did.. I call it "the voting system"
20:15.33dougheckaa nice fast server
20:15.34doughecka:P
20:15.37MrApathyCreamcool done!!!
20:15.38SamuraiGophersocial karma ;)
20:15.45MrApathyCreamand he said we were'nt helping
20:16.01MrApathyCreamIt does follow the spec exactly!
20:18.03StanFreberggrumble, grumble, grumble, mutiny, mutiny, mutiny
20:18.26SamuraiGopherWALK THE PLANK!
20:18.27SamuraiGopherarrrrr
20:18.45dougheckagame over
20:18.45doughecka:P
20:20.21SamuraiGopherOH NO.. NOW I'M STUCK IN CAPS SINCE I WAS USING SHIFT BEFORE
20:20.56dougheckadarn, I thought I recharged my gun before I left
20:21.22dougheckais there such a thing?
20:21.22doughecka:)
20:21.41SamuraiGopherSHIFT KEY NOT WORKING!
20:22.01StanFreberg~shoot SamuraiGopher
20:22.04ACTION shoots SamuraiGopher in the head.
20:22.06SpiffHey all.  I'm actually here! :D
20:22.36SamuraiGopherand all is better
20:23.00StanFreberg~lart doughecka
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20:23.10dougheckayay, I like free cds
20:23.19SpiffSolaris^
20:23.35dougheckaaol cds at 60 miles per hour is fun... they go real high
20:24.55SamuraiGopherhehe, watching server chat traffic is funny
20:25.04dougheckahaha
20:25.15SamuraiGopherI should get it streaming to an irc channel :)
20:26.15dougheckaworked one way, but channel to irc didnt work very well
20:26.21dougheckaer, irc to server
20:26.42SamuraiGopheroh?  bzadmin should be able to handle it well
20:26.50dougheckawell
20:27.39dougheckabut it makes a nice gui, and that didnt work right
20:28.19SamuraiGopheryou'd have to use the stdboth interface
20:28.28dougheckahrm
20:28.30SamuraiGopherinstead of the default "gui" interface
20:28.48SamuraiGopheror simply use two clients, one using stdin and the other stdout
20:28.48dougheckais that a new feature?
20:29.14SamuraiGophersince the original patch, yes.. but it's been there for a couple months
20:29.35dougheckaah
20:30.09doughecka~bzadmin
20:31.54dougheckawhere do I find it?
20:32.00SamuraiGophersrc/bzadmin
20:32.03MrApathyCreambzadmin is in cvs
20:32.12dougheckaaha, gotcha
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20:32.37SamuraiGopherhttp://brlcad.org/bzflag/cvs/src/bzadmin if you just want to read source ;)
20:33.04dougheckano thanks :)
20:33.23MrApathyCreamit is bzflag-dev@lists.sourceforge.net, yes?
20:35.40doughecka~cvs
20:35.41cvs is, like, Concurrent Versions System and is at http://www.handhelds.org/sources.html or at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ and at http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/03/cvs_intro.html and http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/17/cvsadmin.html and http://www.red-bean.com/cvsbook/, or at http://www.cvshome.org
20:36.15dougheckacvs login: authorization failed: server cvs.sourceforge.net rejected access to /cvsroot/bzflag for user anonymous
20:47.53CIA03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): added tanks getting stuck on pyramids
20:48.47MrApathyCreamdoughecka, anon cvs is down
20:53.57captain_protonhmm, server-side spawns
20:54.02dougheckaah
20:54.02captain_protonwhat's next?! fez? :)
20:54.13SamuraiGopher~sfsnap
20:54.14from memory, sfsnap is http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/
20:55.11dougheckaaha
21:01.46dougheckahow does one compile it?
21:01.55doughecka./configure and make doesnt do anything
21:02.46captain_protonit should
21:02.51captain_protonmaybe you're doing it wrong
21:03.11dougheckaI type ./configure in bzflag/ ?
21:03.41captain_protonfigure it out
21:06.24SamuraiGopher*cough*./autogen.sh*cough*
21:06.40dougheckayea, README.Linux doesnt say anything about that
21:07.15doughecka../../src/bzflag/Player.h:136: parse error before `[' token
21:09.56captain_protonyou do have the GL headers, do you not?
21:10.10dougheckaproblebly not, since I dont have X installed
21:10.15dougheckaI only want bzadmin
21:10.45captain_protoni don't think you'll be able to build it without GL headers
21:10.50dougheckahrm
21:10.59captain_protonsince Player includes a bunch of drawing cruft that it shouldn't
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21:11.57dougheckaah
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21:12.51SamuraiGopherdoug.. you'll also have to ./configure --enable-bzadmin :P
21:13.00dougheckaah
21:13.12SamuraiGopherwee.. asgard..
21:13.31chatelaine;-)
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21:14.54captain_protonwhat about asgard?
21:15.12bzgirlits working again
21:15.21captain_protonah
21:15.23captain_protonindeed
21:15.57dougheckabah
21:16.06dougheckaTeam.cxx:105: invalid conversion from `int' to `TeamColor'
21:16.30Tuponedoughecka: did you --enable-debug ??
21:16.38dougheckano..
21:16.58Tuponecompiler version?
21:17.02dougheckathis is almost as bad as asterisk :)
21:17.07dougheckahm
21:17.19dougheckagcc version 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-5)
21:17.44SamuraiGopherdoug: that was fixed earlier today
21:17.59dougheckahm
21:18.09Tuponeneed a new snap
21:18.10SamuraiGopherjust cast that teamindex to an int
21:18.11dougheckaah, grabbed the wrong file off the server :)
21:18.19SamuraiGopherah ;)
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21:18.46Tuponeg'nite all
21:18.54Chikoritabye
21:18.55SamuraiGopherg'night Tupone
21:18.58captain_proton'night Tupone
21:19.05Tuponecaptain_proton: nite
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21:19.20SamuraiGopherhi C
21:19.53SamuraiGopherC->Chikorita
21:20.01Chikoritahi L
21:20.15Chikoritasowee gtg , i have ums a match wif Team Portugal
21:20.26Chikoritawish mee an lego sum luck ;)
21:21.05dougheckalol
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21:29.37Chikoritalego?
21:29.46SamuraiGopher:(
21:29.49SamuraiGopherno tanky
21:29.55Chikoritawut happen?
21:30.03Chikoritai came back an every1 left
21:30.10Chikorita:P
21:30.15SamuraiGopherthe lag was too bad for everyone
21:30.20Chikoritao i c
21:30.22SamuraiGopherthey said they were going to try quols
21:30.29ChikoritaooH
21:30.33Chikoritaokies brb
21:33.29SpiffAhhh.  I miss *everyone*.  :\
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21:34.47luca__hello
21:34.52Chikoritahi
21:34.57luca__which is the last version of bzflag?
21:35.12Chikoritamy lag was jus 190ms on Quols...
21:35.23bzgirlluca__: 1.7g2
21:35.27Chikoritao wel  :/
21:35.49SamuraiGopherThe latest official release is still 1.7g2, there is a beta 1.9.7 on bzbb.bzflag.org
21:36.33SpiffHiya Chik. :D
21:36.43SamuraiKittyhiya Spiff :D
21:36.46SamuraiGopherhehe
21:36.48luca__SamuraiKitty: what's new in 1.9.7?
21:36.58SamuraiKittynew flags
21:37.05luca__only that?
21:37.06SamuraiKittyan umm
21:37.08SamuraiGopherluca__: http://brlcad.org/bzflag/cvs/ChangeLog
21:37.10bzgirlany KDE users here?
21:37.13luca__thx
21:37.25SamuraiKittynew type of game called "rabbit hunt"
21:37.52SamuraiKittyan sum otha stuffs
21:39.39SamuraiKitty<PROTECTED>
21:39.57SamuraiKittyspars?
21:40.42SamuraiKittynunotex was testin out da new bigger ducati map
21:40.57SamuraiKittyit was very neet :)
21:41.00SamuraiGopherspar is to practice fighting ..
21:41.05SamuraiGopheroh, yea?
21:41.10SamuraiKittyit works too ..
21:41.13SamuraiKittyxcept
21:41.46SamuraiKittyhe needs 2 make da blocks bigger , dey seem 2 small in proportion 2 da rest of da map
21:41.55SamuraiKittynlol L
21:42.20SamuraiKittyitz not dat bad
21:43.12SamuraiKittyotha than dat it looks good for 4v4 or 5v5 matches
21:44.33SamuraiGophercool
21:45.10Legolassup?
21:45.14Legolas~d
21:46.18SamuraiKittyhey lego
21:46.43Legolashey chiko
21:46.51Legolaswhne is the rebel site going to be done?
21:47.02SamuraiKittyi dunno
21:47.14Legolaswho is working on it?
21:47.17SamuraiKittyi think imma make da rebel league a FFA thingie
21:47.23SamuraiKittylike u wanted ;)
21:47.32Legolaswho is working on it?
21:47.33SamuraiKittymaybee in Jan.
21:47.51SamuraiKittymee
21:47.55SamuraiKittyi dunno
21:47.57SamuraiKittyheh
21:48.02Legolasyou know HTML?
21:48.06SamuraiKittyi played FFA last nite
21:48.14SamuraiKittyi kno sum HTML
21:49.29SamuraiKittyim jus concentratin on da I.S.Tournament 4 now tho
21:50.44SamuraiKittyi feel sick
21:51.14SamuraiKittynot enuff soda taday :(
21:51.25SamuraiKitty~d
21:52.02SamuraiKittyso dats where every1 iz ...heh
21:52.21luca__hey!
21:52.44luca__i'd like to know why the game is never smooth
21:52.48luca__damn
21:52.52luca__it used to be ok
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22:01.09Legolas~d
22:02.34Spiff:)
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22:24.00Spiff~d
22:24.22bzgirlSpiff: theyre all on d 59999, a match i think
22:24.35SpiffOhhhh... thanks, bzgirl. :)
22:24.39SpiffMandi is here with me. :D
22:28.13bzgirldosent she find irc boring?
22:28.41SamuraiGopherAh, hello again Mandi
22:29.49SpiffActually.. she's accross this lil' room.. on the other PC.  LoL
22:29.50Spiff:)
22:29.56SpiffShe's comin' over here from time to time tho.
22:30.32SpiffHello, learner.
22:30.37Spiff(From Mandi.)
22:30.42bzgirlhi mandi
22:30.48SamuraiGopherhello!
22:30.59SpiffHi bzgirl.
22:31.02SpiffHehehe. :)
22:31.49SpiffShe doesn't seem amused. ;)
22:31.49SpiffLoL
22:32.33SpiffShe's devoting her attention to me. ;)
22:33.27Spiff;)
22:34.15SamuraiGopherThat's okay Spiff, it's her loss ;)
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22:34.50SpiffMmm hmm.. her loss.  Oh yeah. :P
22:35.51SamuraiGopherYour gain, her loss, and my entertainment -- poor girl :)
22:36.13SpiffPffff.
22:36.20SpiffShe asked if you were talkin' about her. :)  LoL
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22:37.29SamuraiGopherI was talking about her, but I'll gladly talk to her: "Run, Mandi! Run!!" :)
22:38.07SpiffSure.. sure.. thanks for the vote of confidence. :)
22:38.13SamuraiGopherAnytime :)
22:38.25SpiffI don't think she has any intention of doing that. :)
22:39.51SamuraiGopherI'm pretty sure you don't have any lack of ego/self-esteem issues, so I'm quite comfortable badgering you, Spiff. ;)  All in good fun, good humor, and ice cream.
22:40.03SamuraiGopherMMm... ice cream.
22:40.42SpiffMmmm hmmm.   Well.. I could disagree.. but okies. :)
22:42.43patlabor221mac, the docs in question are now at http://p24.bakadigital.com/p24bb/
22:44.16JBDiGrizHey rodent with the big knife :)
22:45.00SamuraiGopherhere too :)
22:45.55JBDiGrizI just updated my 1.9 client, if there was something in particular you wanted to see.
22:50.18SamuraiGopheryes, two things.. automatic team selection and thief reload penalty
22:50.52JBDiGrizDid you want to test now on brlcad?
22:51.15SamuraiGophermeh, whenever
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22:59.06NinjaSquirrel~chop SamuraiGopher
23:00.25SamuraiGopher~nibble NinjaSquirrel
23:00.28bites NinjaSquirrel in the ear
23:00.53NinjaSquirrel~nibble SamuraiGopher
23:00.55bites SamuraiGopher in the ear
23:01.23NinjaSquirrel~slap SamuraiGopher
23:01.25ACTION slaps SamuraiGopher, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
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23:03.56JBDiGrizHey rodent, I just had a client hang on your MrAC test site.
23:04.02NinjaSquirrel~whaleslap JBDiGriz
23:04.04ACTION slaps JBDiGriz upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
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23:11.23KungFuCapybara~tailslap NinjaSquirrel
23:11.25ACTION whacks NinjaSquirrel with a giant beaver's tail.
23:11.47ShaolinBeaverowww my tail!!
23:12.51KungFuCapybaraWe are but the students, ibot is the sensei. :)
23:14.40triclops~sensei
23:14.41well, sensei is ibot
23:14.50triclopsdamn :)
23:14.53KungFuCapybara;)
23:42.13MrApathyCreambbl
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23:53.00Legolas~d
23:53.12SamuraiKittylego..
23:53.19Legolasyes?
23:53.33SamuraiKittywhere iz it...
23:53.51Legolaswhere is what?
23:53.59SamuraiKittymy eggo
23:54.01SamuraiKitty;)
23:54.03SamuraiKittyLoL
23:54.08SamuraiKittydang
23:54.14Legolasoh
23:54.14SamuraiKittyi feel sad 4 yall
23:54.17Legolasman
23:54.21SamuraiKittyu coulda won
23:54.24Legolasto bad the match wasnt official
23:54.26Legolasnya
23:54.27SamuraiKittydavy upset
23:54.30Legolasya
23:54.38Legolasnhe isnt in the mood to platy anymore
23:54.40Legolasnplay
23:54.43SamuraiKitty:(
23:54.51Legolasso he is calling it a night
23:55.04SamuraiKittydang...at da last minute,,almost
23:55.10Legolasif only back hawk hadnt joined
23:55.10SamuraiKittyo wel
23:55.44SamuraiKittyi think dat was suppose ta b BLack Hawk
23:55.59Legolasmaybe they just didnt want to be emmbarrased by having the match tied
23:56.10Legolaswhen they had whomped us 8-2 earlier
23:56.11SamuraiKittymaybee
23:56.26SamuraiKittydey woulda lost points if it was a tie match
23:56.41SamuraiKittyso dats y dey opted 4 unoffiical
23:57.02SamuraiKittygrml
23:57.08Legolas<PROTECTED>
23:57.15SamuraiKitty*sigh*
23:57.23Legolasi really wanted to have that one official
23:57.35SamuraiKittyyea it was such a good match
23:57.40SamuraiKittyup an down an up
23:57.45SamuraiKittyheh
23:57.49Legolasya
23:57.59Legolasi need to stay in shape
23:58.04Legolaslike earlier
23:58.11Legolasi was doing well
23:58.12SamuraiKittymmhmm
23:58.22SamuraiKittyu did good lego :)
23:58.22Legolasim going to have a lil practice on 5156
23:58.23Legolascya
23:58.28SamuraiKittybyez
23:58.50SamuraiKittygo get dem orc tankys
23:58.54SamuraiKittyheehe

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