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| 01:11.02 | Carnage | Tk on ducati |
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| 01:35.34 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack jello cup |
| 01:35.34 | | :), Chikorita |
| 01:35.38 | Chikorita | :) |
| 01:35.44 | jolly | hey Chik |
| 01:35.48 | Chikorita | hi jolly |
| 01:36.02 | Chikorita | iznt there a song called "hello jolly"? |
| 01:36.09 | jolly | i dunno, heh |
| 01:36.09 | Chikorita | o wait... |
| 01:36.17 | Noodleman | hello dolly? |
| 01:36.18 | Chikorita | maybee datz ...hello dolly? |
| 01:36.23 | Chikorita | yea LoL |
| 01:36.24 | jolly | ah yes |
| 01:36.25 | Noodleman | there was a movie by that name |
| 01:36.25 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 01:36.32 | Chikorita | well helloooo dollyyyy |
| 01:36.37 | Chikorita | ah |
| 01:36.38 | Noodleman | the movie's all right |
| 01:36.44 | jolly | i've never seen it |
| 01:36.46 | Chikorita | old movie eh |
| 01:36.49 | jolly | heard of it though :) |
| 01:36.51 | Noodleman | it's a musical |
| 01:37.00 | Chikorita | buh good ...i stil remember da song |
| 01:37.03 | Noodleman | barbra streisand |
| 01:37.08 | jolly | ah cool |
| 01:37.08 | Chikorita | i luv musicals |
| 01:37.12 | jolly | me too :) |
| 01:37.19 | jolly | im seeing one on friday! :) |
| 01:37.23 | Chikorita | o? |
| 01:37.23 | Noodleman | the sound of music is my favorite musical |
| 01:37.28 | Chikorita | mine 2! |
| 01:37.33 | Chikorita | an umm |
| 01:37.38 | Chikorita | Oklahma |
| 01:37.44 | jolly | ah, i loved that song! |
| 01:37.45 | Noodleman | ben hur is my favorite movie of all time |
| 01:37.45 | Chikorita | oklahoma |
| 01:38.05 | Chikorita | oklahomaaaa oookaaayy... :D |
| 01:38.21 | jolly | i don't like musical movies that much |
| 01:38.21 | Chikorita | really noodle? kewl ums |
| 01:38.27 | jolly | but i like musical shows |
| 01:38.30 | Chikorita | ah |
| 01:38.47 | Chikorita | i saw rent like last year |
| 01:38.56 | Chikorita | dat was a good musical |
| 01:38.56 | jolly | i never saw that one |
| 01:39.01 | jolly | have you seen lion king? |
| 01:39.08 | Chikorita | no :( i wanted 2 |
| 01:39.13 | Chikorita | tix r hard 2 get |
| 01:39.21 | jolly | it is so good! |
| 01:39.25 | jolly | i was surprised |
| 01:39.26 | Chikorita | i bet |
| 01:39.29 | jolly | i thought it was a kiddie thing |
| 01:39.42 | jolly | so good!! |
| 01:39.46 | jolly | :) |
| 01:39.55 | Chikorita | i saw get ur gun annie .. |
| 01:39.59 | Chikorita | dat was good 2 |
| 01:40.10 | jolly | i saw that one ;) |
| 01:40.14 | Chikorita | i luv dat actress ...ah i forgot her name |
| 01:40.26 | Chikorita | *thinkin* |
| 01:40.49 | Chikorita | xcuse mee |
| 01:40.50 | jolly | there was reba, cheryl lad |
| 01:40.53 | jolly | hehe |
| 01:40.59 | jolly | and one more |
| 01:41.04 | jolly | i think started with a b |
| 01:41.16 | Chikorita | no ...da 1 i saw was dat lady from da TV show ...wings |
| 01:41.51 | Chikorita | ah i have bad memry |
| 01:42.12 | jolly | heh |
| 01:42.23 | Chikorita | anywayzz |
| 01:42.27 | Chikorita | go sox! |
| 01:42.28 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 01:42.30 | Chikorita | sowee |
| 01:42.34 | jolly | :(( |
| 01:42.39 | Chikorita | aw |
| 01:42.40 | jolly | *sobs* |
| 01:42.46 | Chikorita | next year ;) |
| 01:42.49 | jolly | lol |
| 01:42.57 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 01:42.58 | jolly | we can only hope |
| 01:43.01 | jolly | waaaahhh |
| 01:43.09 | Chikorita | aw |
| 01:43.12 | jolly | i was so depressed! |
| 01:43.16 | jolly | did you watch that game!! |
| 01:43.23 | Chikorita | wen it duz happen , it wil b big :) |
| 01:43.26 | Chikorita | nope |
| 01:43.33 | jolly | hehe |
| 01:43.35 | Chikorita | i dunt watch baseball |
| 01:43.36 | Chikorita | heh |
| 01:43.38 | jolly | same here |
| 01:43.45 | jolly | this is like the first time ever! |
| 01:43.50 | Chikorita | i been 2 games b4 tho |
| 01:43.55 | Chikorita | ya |
| 01:43.59 | jolly | they had to go into 2 extra innings |
| 01:43.59 | Chikorita | da curse thingie |
| 01:44.04 | Chikorita | o? |
| 01:44.05 | Chikorita | kewl |
| 01:44.06 | jolly | and they won by 1 run :( |
| 01:44.11 | jolly | yankees |
| 01:44.11 | Chikorita | wow |
| 01:44.13 | Chikorita | close |
| 01:44.17 | jolly | in the 7th game |
| 01:44.29 | jolly | so closeeee |
| 01:44.32 | Chikorita | :P |
| 01:44.39 | jolly | if they had 1 run more they would be in the world series now! |
| 01:44.40 | jolly | waaaahhhh |
| 01:44.45 | Chikorita | aw |
| 01:44.58 | Chikorita | i watch womens tennis |
| 01:45.02 | jolly | me too! |
| 01:45.04 | jolly | i love tennis :) |
| 01:45.10 | Chikorita | u do? |
| 01:45.10 | jolly | i played today actually :) |
| 01:45.12 | Chikorita | kewl |
| 01:45.17 | jolly | every sunday |
| 01:45.19 | Chikorita | taday was nice out |
| 01:45.25 | Chikorita | really? neet |
| 01:45.25 | jolly | then in the spring every day |
| 01:45.39 | jolly | of school week |
| 01:45.47 | Chikorita | i used ta play alot ..buh not lately |
| 01:45.50 | jolly | aw |
| 01:46.16 | Chikorita | hardenne iz #1 now |
| 01:46.22 | Chikorita | i like her |
| 01:46.29 | jolly | yeah |
| 01:46.35 | Chikorita | she has a wicked backhand LoL |
| 01:46.45 | jolly | oh, did you hear that anna is quitting tennis now? |
| 01:46.46 | jolly | hehe |
| 01:46.52 | Chikorita | haha |
| 01:47.00 | jolly | i heard that on the radio |
| 01:47.06 | jolly | it made me laugh :) |
| 01:47.14 | Chikorita | she was good once...buh then .. |
| 01:47.17 | Chikorita | ykno |
| 01:47.18 | jolly | but supposedly they said at 1 point she was #8 in the world |
| 01:47.24 | Chikorita | ya |
| 01:47.45 | Chikorita | shes pretty , buh dat duznt make u win matches ;) |
| 01:47.49 | Chikorita | heh |
| 01:47.52 | jolly | nope :) |
| 01:48.16 | Chikorita | do u like serena or venus betta? |
| 01:48.31 | Chikorita | or both or none |
| 01:48.32 | jolly | yeah, their cool |
| 01:48.42 | jolly | *they're |
| 01:48.50 | jolly | you? |
| 01:48.53 | Chikorita | who iz ur fav playa? |
| 01:49.09 | Chikorita | i like serena ...buh dey r both kewl :) |
| 01:49.32 | jolly | to be honest i don't really have a favorite :) |
| 01:49.37 | Chikorita | my fav player iz amanda coetzer |
| 01:49.54 | Chikorita | cuz she iz nly 5 feet tall , buh she kix butt LoL |
| 01:50.01 | jolly | hehe |
| 01:50.22 | Chikorita | im only 5' too ...so shes my inspiration :) |
| 01:50.26 | jolly | yeah, i like that! i know what it feels like to be short |
| 01:50.30 | jolly | ah :) |
| 01:50.40 | jolly | im 5'4" |
| 01:50.54 | Chikorita | ii kno . lottsa peeps say u hafta b tall ta b any good in tennis |
| 01:51.01 | Chikorita | an in basketball an otha sports |
| 01:51.07 | Chikorita | buh i dunt believe dat |
| 01:51.16 | Chikorita | itz wutz in ur heart dat counts more :) |
| 01:51.23 | jolly | yeah, same here. except in the high jump :) |
| 01:51.28 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 01:51.30 | Chikorita | ya |
| 01:51.32 | Chikorita | wel |
| 01:51.34 | jolly | hehe |
| 01:52.17 | Chikorita | wuts da name of dat dance where u hafta jiggle ur way unda a pole? |
| 01:52.24 | jolly | ah! |
| 01:52.32 | jolly | yes. oh what is it |
| 01:52.33 | jolly | limbo |
| 01:52.33 | Patlabor221 | limbo |
| 01:52.34 | Chikorita | short peeps have an advantage ther |
| 01:52.36 | Chikorita | limbo! |
| 01:52.38 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 01:52.39 | jolly | :) |
| 01:52.45 | jolly | yes! |
| 01:52.46 | Chikorita | ty pat |
| 01:52.50 | Chikorita | an jolly |
| 01:52.51 | jolly | pat wakes up :) |
| 01:52.53 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 01:53.05 | purple_cow | woop woop woop woop |
| 01:53.12 | Chikorita | lol |
| 01:53.14 | Chikorita | woOp |
| 01:53.17 | jolly | :) |
| 01:53.25 | Patlabor221 | just so everyone knows, some forums moved on BZBB, like the team ones. |
| 01:53.27 | Chikorita | itz da endangered purplr wooping cow |
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| 01:53.48 | Chikorita | o okies pat |
| 01:53.53 | Chikorita | brb |
| 01:54.52 | Patlabor221 | ooooo a whoping 8 users on the olde p24 forums :) |
| 01:55.09 | jolly | heh |
| 01:57.10 | purple_cow | p24? |
| 01:57.41 | Patlabor221 | a yup |
| 01:57.49 | Patlabor221 | shhhh it's a secret |
| 01:59.03 | Patlabor221 | http://p24.bakadigital.com/ |
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| 02:00.41 | SGIrtrewt | hi |
| 02:01.17 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 02:04.54 | Noodleman | does anybody else notice that the sound in bzflag on mac os x is extremely jittery? |
| 02:05.12 | Noodleman | on 1.7g2 |
| 02:05.13 | Patlabor221 | does anyone else play bzflag on OSX? |
| 02:05.23 | Noodleman | i have no idea |
| 02:06.08 | Noodleman | playing with only one mouse button is interesting after you've played for 2 years with 3 :-) |
| 02:06.30 | Patlabor221 | as user friendly put it "it's like being born with one nipple" |
| 02:06.37 | Noodleman | haha |
| 02:08.01 | Patlabor221 | the single button people are gonna have a hella time with some of P24s default game types |
| 02:08.08 | Noodleman | heh |
| 02:08.27 | Patlabor221 | by default right mouse will fire an optional weapon mode |
| 02:08.30 | Noodleman | i've gotta plug in the mouse i'm more comfortable with |
| 02:10.28 | Patlabor221 | your ibooking it? |
| 02:10.52 | Noodleman | powermac g4'ing it |
| 02:11.09 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 02:11.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah then put in a good mouse :) |
| 02:11.50 | Noodleman | i see no point in getting a g5 when i won't be doing anything to take advantage of a 64-bit proc anyway |
| 02:12.00 | Noodleman | and i save at least a grand |
| 02:13.10 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:14.29 | JBDiGriz | I don't have any other machines to compare the sound. I haven't noticed that it's jittery. |
| 02:14.49 | Noodleman | oh, if it's there, you'll notice it :-) |
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| 02:15.22 | JBDiGriz | The sound has problems on my ibook, but the g4 is great. |
| 02:19.08 | Noodleman | where can i get current cvs? |
| 02:20.30 | Noodleman | a little birdie told me not to get it from sourceforge |
| 02:23.25 | triclops | ~sfsnap |
| 02:23.27 | | it has been said that sfsnap is http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/ |
| 02:23.35 | Noodleman | ok, thx |
| 02:23.44 | triclops | no worries |
| 02:26.18 | learner | Noodleman: os x problems? |
| 02:26.37 | Noodleman | the only problem i had was with the sound in 1.7g2 |
| 02:26.45 | Noodleman | it is really jittery |
| 02:27.12 | learner | have you tried 1.9 to see if it's different? |
| 02:27.23 | Noodleman | i'm just going to compile it |
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| 02:27.44 | learner | howdy mac |
| 02:28.07 | learner | Noodleman: another thing to try.. try starting bzflag from different resolutions |
| 02:28.35 | learner | jittery sound is usually a sign of the cpu being pegged |
| 02:28.57 | learner | changing the resolution will at least let us know that it's cpu-bound issues |
| 02:29.05 | Noodleman | ok |
| 02:29.06 | learner | what's the machine? |
| 02:29.11 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 02:29.14 | Noodleman | a dual 1.25 g4 |
| 02:29.23 | Noodleman | with 512 mbs |
| 02:29.26 | learner | yikes! you shouldn't have cpu issues! |
| 02:29.32 | MrApathyCream | not cpu bound :) |
| 02:29.36 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 02:30.04 | triclops | what is the expected behaviour of bzflag if the directory the config and cache are being created in is ReadOnly? |
| 02:30.12 | learner | hrm, what's the audio going through? do you have a soundcard? |
| 02:30.22 | MrApathyCream | triclops, crash? |
| 02:30.27 | Noodleman | yes, i have a soundcard |
| 02:30.49 | triclops | MrApathyCream: bzflag locked in windows, had to reboot |
| 02:30.53 | learner | Oooh. That's untested as far as I know... |
| 02:31.44 | Noodleman | wow, cpu was maxed out |
| 02:31.49 | Noodleman | go figure |
| 02:31.56 | learner | hrmph |
| 02:32.00 | learner | wonder why |
| 02:32.55 | learner | the os x client maintains your video mode for the full-screen, so dropping the resolution down should ease up on cpu -- try it and see if the sound still skips |
| 02:33.47 | Noodleman | i'm looking for the menu to change the rez, but darned if i can't find it... |
| 02:34.50 | Noodleman | why can't i find that; i've done it a million times before... |
| 02:34.54 | Noodleman | grrr |
| 02:34.58 | learner | System Preferences -> Displays |
| 02:35.30 | learner | under the Hardware (second) row |
| 02:35.36 | triclops | theres that little display icon at the top too |
| 02:35.51 | learner | yes, there's the icon if you have it turned on |
| 02:35.56 | MrApathyCream | triclops, running off a cd? |
| 02:36.27 | Noodleman | oh, isn't there an option to change the rez in bzflag itself? |
| 02:36.35 | learner | ah, hehe |
| 02:36.38 | learner | nope |
| 02:37.03 | triclops | MrApathCream: installed on the desktop under Win2K, pretty much all the directories have no write perms |
| 02:37.15 | triclops | including users home |
| 02:37.48 | Noodleman | hmm, it still chews up cpu and is jittery at 1024x768 |
| 02:39.06 | learner | good :) |
| 02:39.09 | *** part/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@pcp05928019pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:42.40 | MrApathyCream | triclops, well that seems silly |
| 02:42.55 | MrApathyCream | why wouldn't user home be writable |
| 02:43.35 | triclops | when its a public computer connected to the internet and defaults to logging into that user. |
| 02:44.01 | triclops | basically setup to stop people messing up the computer |
| 02:44.57 | MrApathyCream | mmm |
| 02:45.12 | triclops | it would be nice if bzflag would give a polite warning and exit gracefully :) |
| 02:47.54 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): added choppy os x audio and non-writeable filesystem |
| 02:48.29 | learner | it's be nice if it just said "boo hoo" and actually let you play.. we don't "need" to be able to write to the filesystem |
| 02:48.32 | Patlabor221 | XP guest account won't have write access |
| 02:48.33 | MrApathyCream | triclops, how did bzflag get on the system if it wasn't writable :) |
| 02:48.38 | Patlabor221 | we need "limited" or better |
| 02:49.21 | Patlabor221 | basicly you have to have a profile |
| 02:49.23 | triclops | hehe, there is a shared folder on the desktop that is writeable, as well as My Documents. |
| 02:49.41 | Patlabor221 | the game shoudl put the basic configs in my docs |
| 02:49.52 | learner | Noodleman: I'll see if I can try some things, but it's not going to be easy since I don't have a sound card to test it |
| 02:49.58 | Patlabor221 | what else needs write? cept maybe world cache |
| 02:49.58 | triclops | Or in the registry maybe |
| 02:50.12 | MrApathyCream | bzdb |
| 02:50.21 | Patlabor221 | the app dosn't put anything in the registry, the installer does |
| 02:50.26 | Patlabor221 | bzdb, writes to disk? |
| 02:50.34 | MrApathyCream | of couse |
| 02:50.36 | MrApathyCream | course |
| 02:50.42 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 02:50.44 | MrApathyCream | based on menu settings |
| 02:50.59 | Patlabor221 | where is the file made? |
| 02:51.42 | Patlabor221 | probably not manny |
| 02:51.59 | Patlabor221 | we did with the software at my day job :) |
| 02:52.11 | Patlabor221 | tha'ts why I made sure all the stuff that I knew about went to the profile dir |
| 02:52.11 | MrApathyCream | void writeBZDB(const std::string& name, void *stream) |
| 02:52.16 | MrApathyCream | in ConfigFileManager.cxx |
| 02:52.27 | Patlabor221 | ok where does it get the stream? |
| 02:52.30 | learner | kids in a lab will encounter this more than most |
| 02:52.46 | Patlabor221 | when does it die for you triclops |
| 02:52.47 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 02:52.51 | MrApathyCream | boolConfigFileManager::write(const std::string& filename) |
| 02:53.02 | Patlabor221 | mac, your not helping |
| 02:53.38 | triclops | Patlabor221, at startup. It cleared the screen and that was it. Locked. I was on a dual monitor computer and couldn't even get out. |
| 02:53.45 | MrApathyCream | from main in bzflag |
| 02:53.46 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.46 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.46 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.20 | Patlabor221 | well that will put it to the profile, you sure you have write and create access to the my docs dir? |
| 02:54.23 | learner | src/common/ConfigFileManager.cxx:25 |
| 02:54.50 | Patlabor221 | what version of windows? |
| 02:55.05 | MrApathyCream | bzflag.cxx 1273 |
| 02:55.12 | triclops | Windows2000. Latest Service Pack. |
| 02:55.29 | Patlabor221 | well, then getspecialdir, shoudl work |
| 02:55.34 | bryjen | and you thought bz's versioning was bad... |
| 02:55.46 | triclops | hehe |
| 02:56.11 | Patlabor221 | it shoudl return OSDRIVE:\Documents and Settings\USER\My Documents\BZCONFIGDIR\CONFIGNAME.cfg |
| 02:56.37 | triclops | It should be doing that already? |
| 02:56.37 | Patlabor221 | you have write and create access to that path? |
| 02:56.41 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:56.44 | Patlabor221 | that's what it does now |
| 02:56.50 | Patlabor221 | it will try to make a dir tho |
| 02:56.54 | Patlabor221 | do you have create perms? |
| 02:57.12 | triclops | Hmm, i think it does. |
| 02:57.25 | Patlabor221 | well this is 1.9 or 1.7? |
| 02:57.49 | triclops | 1.9.7 beta binary |
| 02:58.07 | triclops | wait, maybe it was 1.7 |
| 02:58.20 | Patlabor221 | do you have a folder called "My BZflag Files" in your my docs folder? |
| 02:58.44 | Patlabor221 | I have C:\Documents and Settings\JeffM\My Documents\My Bzflag Files\bzflag19.bzc |
| 02:58.59 | triclops | Ahh, so it changed for 1.9.7? |
| 02:59.04 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 02:59.09 | Patlabor221 | we added the dir |
| 02:59.18 | Patlabor221 | and to keep it MS happy, it's named that supid name |
| 02:59.37 | triclops | Okay, then it should work. hehe |
| 02:59.45 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:59.58 | Patlabor221 | unless somone went rouge and is trying to make a file in the app dir |
| 03:00.23 | MrApathyCream | rouge is a nice color |
| 03:00.43 | triclops | i'll have to try it out again when i get the chance |
| 03:00.52 | MrApathyCream | no not me |
| 03:01.17 | Patlabor221 | now the installer will try to make all kinds of stuff |
| 03:01.28 | purple_cow | 5 |
| 03:01.30 | Patlabor221 | but then that's what it's suposed to do |
| 03:02.30 | triclops | cool. it still should be nice if it can't create "My Bzflag Files" |
| 03:03.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah, it would be nice to bail. sadly bz dosn't expose any OS error dialogs, cus that's what you would want to do right then |
| 03:03.27 | MrApathyCream | patches welcome |
| 03:03.44 | Patlabor221 | P24 will continue working just fine if you can't write, it just wont' save any of your settings. |
| 03:03.46 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 03:04.04 | triclops | hehe |
| 03:04.39 | triclops | anyways i gotta head to uni now |
| 03:07.35 | Patlabor221 | hey, I personaly may not, but you can give them to people to use, all optional and stuff :) |
| 03:07.43 | Patlabor221 | want a new renderer, bust one out. |
| 03:08.30 | Patlabor221 | want a new game type, make one up, slap it on a server, and people who connect download your gametype automaticly ( after a warning ) |
| 03:09.39 | Patlabor221 | ha, a minotaur named "angus", now that is funny |
| 03:09.46 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (MediaFile.h): ws |
| 03:09.58 | MrApathyCream | more important checkins, oh goody |
| 03:10.08 | MrApathyCream | you're stealing riker's work |
| 03:10.46 | learner | :P |
| 03:10.49 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/common (FileManager.cxx): if we cannot make a directory, choke appropriately |
| 03:10.56 | Patlabor221 | he's got plenty, that big "make net not suck |
| 03:13.24 | MrApathyCream | hmmm nvidia loses xbox contract to ati |
| 03:13.41 | Patlabor221 | yeah for XB2 |
| 03:13.56 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): think bug was related to a dir not being makeable |
| 03:13.58 | Patlabor221 | they have supply problems on XB now |
| 03:14.16 | Patlabor221 | tho I don't know if they still hav the buss and media chipsets |
| 03:15.01 | MrApathyCream | http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/60b6/?cpg=5 |
| 03:15.20 | Patlabor221 | I own one of those |
| 03:15.25 | Patlabor221 | they scare the crap outa the cats |
| 03:15.46 | MrApathyCream | do ya really? |
| 03:15.56 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:16.05 | MrApathyCream | :) |
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| 03:16.54 | learner | that was a bug you found |
| 03:22.11 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (TODO): right-click to enter should be generated from whatever identify/respawn is set to |
| 03:22.28 | Chikorita | ah |
| 03:22.48 | Chikorita | thnx a bunch L :) |
| 03:23.12 | learner | +) |
| 03:23.17 | Chikorita | k i jus came on 2 say Gnite , c u tommorow |
| 03:23.40 | Chikorita | ah alien! |
| 03:23.40 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 03:23.40 | Chikorita | j/k |
| 03:23.40 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 03:24.04 | Chikorita | :) |
| 03:24.07 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 03:24.10 | Chikorita | +) |
| 03:52.12 | Spiff | Tsk, tsk, learner. Aliens suck.. you need to be a spaceman. ;) |
| 03:52.45 | learner | one man's alien is another's spaceman |
| 03:53.15 | Spiff | Perhaps. But when I think of aliens.. I think of the ones from the movies... the ones that got blown to bits over and over, but kept coming back. :) |
| 03:53.16 | learner | we call YOU the aliens.. |
| 03:53.33 | Spiff | Spaceman on the other hand.. are space-MEN.. not weird monsters. ;) |
| 03:54.13 | Patlabor221 | you asume all alien things are "wierd monsters" |
| 03:54.54 | bryjen | ~dict alien |
| 03:55.11 | Patlabor221 | just means "not from here" |
| 03:55.26 | Spiff | Funny.. I was actually joking when I first said that. But apparently you guys have no sense of humor. :P |
| 03:55.40 | Patlabor221 | silly boy needs to watch more bad anime :) |
| 03:55.59 | Spiff | Silly boy doesn't need to watch *any* anime. ;) |
| 03:56.35 | Patlabor221 | but you allready have :) |
| 03:56.41 | Patlabor221 | and you liked it |
| 03:56.56 | Spiff | Batman Beyond was good.. :) |
| 03:57.02 | Spiff | But I don't think that's really *bad* anime. |
| 03:57.11 | purple_cow | speaking of anime, Patlabor221... :) |
| 03:57.20 | Patlabor221 | yeah, and comparitvly, it's a bad anime :) |
| 03:57.22 | Patlabor221 | no I haven't |
| 03:57.45 | Patlabor221 | my friend Chris wants to watch it too, so I'm waiting for him |
| 03:58.29 | Spiff | Mmm hmm. To you maybe. |
| 03:58.33 | Patlabor221 | did see the first couple Which Huner Robin eps, they were prety goo |
| 03:58.39 | Spiff | It's all subject to personal interpretation though. |
| 03:59.06 | Patlabor221 | this is true, but you have never seen any good anime, so you would not know what bad is :) |
| 03:59.21 | Patlabor221 | you should watch lain |
| 04:00.00 | Patlabor221 | tho that may damage your brain |
| 04:00.16 | Patlabor221 | you would have to start with the bebop |
| 04:00.21 | Patlabor221 | but you won't |
| 04:00.33 | Patlabor221 | purple_cow, you seen Helsing? |
| 04:00.43 | Spiff | And what is going to give me a sudden interest in that stuff? |
| 04:00.57 | purple_cow | nope |
| 04:01.12 | Patlabor221 | like I said, you won't, but a love of all things good should be intrest enough |
| 04:01.18 | Patlabor221 | you shoudl purple_cow, it's good |
| 04:01.55 | Patlabor221 | yes well you are stronger then he |
| 04:02.02 | purple_cow | heh |
| 04:02.15 | Patlabor221 | it would break him perminanatly |
| 04:02.29 | purple_cow | probably |
| 04:03.14 | Patlabor221 | he could probably do Tenchi |
| 04:03.49 | Patlabor221 | that has peace, love, brotherhood, and cats that turn into spaceships |
| 04:03.49 | Spiff | Okies.... so you take pride in being anime geeks? Erm... alright. |
| 04:03.54 | Spiff | Like I said.. just not my thing. :) |
| 04:04.01 | Patlabor221 | never know till you try |
| 04:04.11 | Patlabor221 | all people should take pride in what they enjoy |
| 04:04.14 | Patlabor221 | I know you do. |
| 04:05.36 | Spiff | Yes... but nonetheless.... it's just cartoons. :) |
| 04:05.44 | Spiff | Ahh.. but then again.. personal interpretation. |
| 04:05.51 | Spiff | Whatever.. have fun with your animated people. :) |
| 04:06.12 | purple_cow | there's a big difference between animation and cartoons |
| 04:06.34 | Patlabor221 | the dick tracy movie was a live action "cartoon" |
| 04:06.41 | Patlabor221 | the matrix was a live action "anime" |
| 04:07.00 | Patlabor221 | animation is a medium, that is all, the rest is content, and that can be any genere |
| 04:07.21 | MrApathyCream | join #bzflag |
| 04:07.41 | Patlabor221 | you allread did |
| 04:07.41 | Spiff | Every time I think of anime.. I am haunted by visions of Pokemon and Digimon. :) |
| 04:07.49 | Patlabor221 | those are cartoons |
| 04:08.09 | Patlabor221 | do you think of bednobs and broomsticks every time you think of "movie" ? |
| 04:08.38 | Patlabor221 | you just have not seen enought, and seem to be very closed minded to even trying to see any more |
| 04:08.39 | Patlabor221 | shame |
| 04:08.45 | Patlabor221 | lot of good stuff out there |
| 04:10.38 | Spiff | Mmm hmm. Well.. I sorta hated that episode of the Animatrix that you showed me. :) |
| 04:11.10 | Spiff | I was open minded enough to watch that. |
| 04:11.25 | Spiff | But it just confirmed what I already knew.. that I don't really have any taste in anime. :) |
| 04:11.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah and you didn't care for it, fair enought, but that's not how all anime is, you shoudl watch beyond on the same disk |
| 04:12.03 | Patlabor221 | that's like watching gremlins and saying you don't like movies |
| 04:12.22 | Patlabor221 | at the time I did not know that it would not be to your taste |
| 04:12.23 | Spiff | Nah.. not really. I've seen a few anime's here and there.. and I just don't really enjoy them. |
| 04:12.27 | purple_cow | mmmmmmm........veyond |
| 04:12.29 | Spiff | But then again I'm not a huge movie watcher. |
| 04:12.31 | purple_cow | err |
| 04:12.33 | purple_cow | beyond |
| 04:12.36 | Patlabor221 | you would probably enjoy detective sotry |
| 04:12.49 | Patlabor221 | yet you don't say you don't like all of them based on the 2 you have seen |
| 04:13.05 | Spiff | I sorta liked the old Johnny Quest cartoons... LoL. |
| 04:13.28 | Patlabor221 | tho race bannon was DA' MAN |
| 04:13.31 | Spiff | Hey.. those were cool.. when I was like.. err... 10? LoL |
| 04:13.43 | Spiff | Ohhh.. and Speed Racer!! |
| 04:13.50 | Spiff | Gotta love that one. ;) |
| 04:13.56 | Patlabor221 | man and his monkey |
| 04:14.12 | Patlabor221 | and to think if they made that live action, people woudl hate it |
| 04:14.21 | Patlabor221 | oh wait they did, BJ and the Bear |
| 04:14.47 | bryjen | wasn't that a clint eastwood film or two? |
| 04:15.11 | Patlabor221 | you are thinking of "any which way but loose" |
| 04:15.14 | Patlabor221 | Right turn clide |
| 04:15.31 | bryjen | yup |
| 04:15.56 | Spiff | ~bryjen |
| 04:16.12 | Spiff | Oh.. it poits to a server. What a rip. :) |
| 04:16.17 | Spiff | points^ |
| 04:16.33 | bryjen | ~literal bryjen |
| 04:16.35 | | bryjen is <reply> see bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org |
| 04:18.00 | Spiff | Wow... I'm wishin' like 10 months in advance! |
| 04:18.05 | Spiff | Oh.. excuse me... DVD. :P |
| 04:18.34 | Patlabor221 | or just go to the theater |
| 04:18.38 | Patlabor221 | next month |
| 04:18.51 | Spiff | It's two months. :) |
| 04:19.02 | Spiff | But I wanna bring it home.. and watch it like 10 times.... in a row. ;) |
| 04:19.03 | Spiff | LoL |
| 04:19.08 | Patlabor221 | ohh thats right, matrix is next month |
| 04:19.22 | Patlabor221 | so go to to the theater 10 times in a row |
| 04:19.38 | Spiff | Erm.. no. |
| 04:25.45 | Spiff | Okies.. off to bed. |
| 04:25.46 | Spiff | Laterz. |
| 04:32.48 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added a means to get a list of keys bound to a particular command |
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| 04:53.27 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): |
| 04:53.28 | CIA | changed the restart key label to be what restart is actually bound to |
| 04:53.28 | CIA | instead of just "Right Mouse".. It only displays the first two bound keys |
| 04:53.29 | CIA | in order to keep things simple. Single char keystrokes are quoted and lowercase |
| 04:53.30 | CIA | (since that is what they press). |
| 04:54.35 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (HUDRenderer.cxx): removed nasty os x hack to display the "other" default keystroke to enter the game (i) since it is automatically done now |
| 04:57.16 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (TODO): |
| 04:57.17 | CIA | they tend to fall quickly when it is something that bothers me enough |
| 04:57.17 | CIA | removed item to make the "press right mouse" message be what is actually bound |
| 04:57.30 | learner | welp, enough damage for one night |
| 04:57.40 | JBDiGriz | g'nite |
| 04:57.45 | learner | heya jb |
| 04:58.34 | JBDiGriz | heya, an interesting thing happened this evening whilst playing at ducatir |
| 04:58.44 | learner | oh? |
| 04:59.01 | JBDiGriz | one of the other tanks on my team outran me, and i was at full throttle. |
| 04:59.23 | learner | hehe.. "oops" |
| 04:59.52 | learner | was this a known player? |
| 04:59.56 | JBDiGriz | I ended up shooting him accidentally, since he started behind me, and all of a sudden he was in front |
| 05:00.13 | JBDiGriz | Yep, but I doubt he is actually cheating. |
| 05:00.29 | learner | vierd, wery vierd |
| 05:01.52 | JBDiGriz | The lags seemed to be comparable, so it probably wasn't that |
| 05:07.01 | learner | welp, good night for real now |
| 05:07.04 | learner | cheers |
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| 12:00.02 | tapo^wk | someone shot a node with is GM... |
| 12:19.17 | learner | eh? |
| 12:19.35 | learner | ah.. s/is/a/ ;) |
| 12:22.44 | tapo^wk | no, |
| 12:22.49 | tapo^wk | s/is/his/ |
| 12:22.51 | tapo^wk | :) |
| 12:23.18 | learner | heh |
| 12:24.20 | triclops | your US learner? |
| 12:26.40 | learner | yes, I'm in Maryland |
| 12:27.09 | triclops | you start early for work |
| 12:28.50 | learner | I keep fairly random hours actually |
| 12:29.11 | learner | I'm actually not going to work today :) |
| 12:29.16 | learner | I decided I didn't want to go |
| 12:30.18 | triclops | hehe, i guess random values of zero turn up every now and then |
| 12:31.25 | learner | :) |
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| 12:35.33 | *** mode/#bzflag [+bbb *!*@*.dip.t-dialin.net *!*edelstei*@* *!*@68.111.116.228] by kornbluth.freenode.net |
| 12:35.33 | *** mode/#bzflag [+bbb *sussudio*!*@* *gorb*!*@* *cell*!*@*] by kornbluth.freenode.net |
| 12:35.42 | learner | weee.. |
| 12:35.57 | doughecka | we |
| 12:36.07 | doughecka | said the little pig |
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| 13:29.01 | triclops | For anyone who cares, i have devised a (nearly) complete Bot API and am looking for comments/suggestions. Check it out at http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~cbro903/bzflag |
| 13:29.35 | rooter | great thesis! |
| 13:30.01 | cniV | heh |
| 13:30.47 | triclops | cniV, you finsihed yours yet? |
| 13:30.55 | cniV | writing it up |
| 13:31.01 | triclops | rooter, thanks :) |
| 13:31.05 | cniV | well starting at least |
| 13:31.11 | triclops | when do we get to play? |
| 13:31.18 | triclops | s/play/test/ |
| 13:31.31 | cniV | when people start moving to the dbservers thing |
| 13:32.01 | triclops | is your code on the net yet? |
| 13:32.24 | cniV | theres bzfls.pl in misc |
| 13:32.32 | cniV | and im about to finish the karma module |
| 13:32.58 | Chestal | triclops: world object contains obstacles etc.? |
| 13:33.36 | triclops | yep, pretty much anything static |
| 13:33.47 | Chestal | triclops: what about shots? missing or part of player? |
| 13:34.13 | triclops | woops, forgot about them... |
| 13:34.23 | rooter | :) |
| 13:34.37 | rooter | nothing too important ;) |
| 13:35.29 | Chestal | triclops: the bot can send messages, how would it receive them? |
| 13:35.43 | triclops | fixed |
| 13:36.03 | triclops | umm, not sure. could use a callback or a fetch method |
| 13:39.25 | triclops | I wonder if the API should form the parent for a bot implementation or should a bot talk to it |
| 14:03.37 | triclops | I changed the name. Also an instance of the API will map a single player class to a single AI class. The AI class will have the desire callbacks for various events. |
| 14:04.49 | Chestal | have you decided whether you want 1 client <-> 1 AI? |
| 14:04.56 | Chestal | i.e. much liek roger and unlike -solo? |
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| 14:06.46 | triclops | it'd probably be more like roger, but in the future i guess 1 client could carry more AI. |
| 14:08.04 | triclops | The current restriction lies in the fact that a client with multiple players has to deal with lots of duplicate network traffic (i think). |
| 14:08.25 | Chestal | it introduces some compelxity to the client |
| 14:08.35 | Chestal | it's conceptually easier to have seperate clients |
| 14:08.50 | Chestal | (and some complexity to the server as well) |
| 14:09.31 | triclops | thats why a seperate 'proxy' would be nice on the client side. |
| 14:10.54 | david_v | hi folks. anyone here who has used 2.6.0-test7 or test8? in both kernels i've had issues with kill -9 <process> . i.e., it won't work at all! i'm just curious if anyone else is experiencing this so i can go ahead with it to someone |
| 14:11.32 | david_v | correction: kill -9 works if the process is healthy. otherwise not. and i'm not talking about defunct processes |
| 14:13.09 | cniV | so kill -9 <pid> aint working? |
| 14:13.13 | cniV | in what sense |
| 14:13.55 | david_v | the process just keeps running. for now i have an "aplay" process blocking my soundcard, and the only way is to reboot the computer hard |
| 14:14.20 | david_v | i've never had problems of this kind in -test5 and below |
| 14:14.37 | cniV | what does the process entry in 'ps aux' say |
| 14:15.06 | david_v | nothing abnormal. it's not that. it's a kernel bug |
| 14:15.09 | david_v | but if you want it :) |
| 14:15.35 | david_v | david 9841 1 0 14:38 ? 00:00:00 aplay (...etc) |
| 14:16.22 | cniV | hmmm yeah looks normal i guess |
| 14:16.26 | david_v | yes of course |
| 14:16.38 | cniV | oh well one reason why im not mucking around with 2.6 yet :) |
| 14:16.43 | david_v | hehe |
| 14:17.10 | david_v | i am actually thinking about writing to Torvalds about this, if nobody has a better suggestion |
| 14:17.19 | david_v | or using a mailing list, or similar |
| 14:17.21 | cniV | yeah, submit a patch :) |
| 14:17.42 | david_v | well, doh. i don't know where the problem is, that's a small issue :) |
| 14:18.11 | cniV | hmmm....yeah :) |
| 14:18.13 | david_v | the doc in the source tree suggested a "brute force" method to find the error, but i don't have time for that. have an exam on friday |
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| 14:18.22 | david_v | but i still feel they should know about this bug quite soon |
| 14:18.30 | david_v | as it existed in test7, and isn't patched in test8... |
| 14:18.33 | Chikorita | moin |
| 14:18.34 | david_v | doesn't look good at all :( |
| 14:18.36 | david_v | hi Chik |
| 14:18.40 | Chikorita | hi davy |
| 14:18.47 | rooter | hey chik |
| 14:18.52 | Chikorita | hi roota |
| 14:19.14 | Chikorita | big bug or lil bug? |
| 14:19.21 | david_v | big |
| 14:19.23 | Chikorita | o |
| 14:19.25 | Chikorita | ah |
| 14:19.29 | Chikorita | bugz :P |
| 14:20.01 | david_v | not small enough to flee into a hole, but big enough to crush you |
| 14:20.09 | Chikorita | lol |
| 14:20.17 | Chikorita | k |
| 14:20.48 | Chikorita | sounds skeer indeed |
| 14:20.55 | david_v | hmm yeah |
| 14:21.12 | Chikorita | skeery |
| 14:24.49 | Chikorita | ~d |
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| 14:25.22 | Chikorita | bbl |
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| 14:28.01 | triclops | I've designed BotAI class now. Gives a bit more colour to the picture. |
| 14:28.43 | Noodleman | the jittery sound on my g4 is made a lot better by using linear texturing |
| 14:28.45 | Noodleman | go figure |
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| 14:35.22 | bomber_ | ~d |
| 15:27.26 | Snuffleupagus | http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/bigbird/default.asp |
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| 15:38.09 | Spiff | How.. umm... creative. :) |
| 15:39.12 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o larsl] by ChanServ |
| 15:40.50 | Snuffleupagus | hmmm, we almost have as many channel ops as non-ops........someone has been reading their micro-manager handbook again :) |
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| 15:44.45 | larsl | Most of the ops are not actually here most of the time. |
| 15:44.59 | learner | you think any management actually goes on in here anyways? :) |
| 15:45.48 | Snuffleupagus | just an observation of the number of green bullets in my list here |
| 15:46.39 | larsl | We're not in the top 50 most active projects on SF! |
| 15:47.12 | Snuffleupagus | hmmm....now is that a good thing or a bad thing? |
| 15:47.32 | learner | larsl, we dropped off the top 50 a couple weeks ago |
| 15:48.30 | learner | from all I could tell, that ranking is primarily (if not entirely) based on sf page visits and file downloads |
| 15:48.52 | Snuffleupagus | maybe we should sick ibot on them :) |
| 15:49.00 | learner | since we haven't released in a while, we've been dropping.. right after the g2 release we were in the top 5 for a while |
| 15:50.41 | Snuffleupagus | seems like things are coming up for another release, eh? |
| 15:50.41 | larsl | Once we have fixed all these bugs. |
| 15:50.55 | Snuffleupagus | where is that list, does not appear on SF, at least I dont think so? |
| 15:52.01 | larsl | It's in CVS. |
| 15:52.28 | larsl | We probably should start using the bug tracker instead. |
| 15:55.46 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): depth order rendering bug on mac's playground |
| 15:56.04 | learner | http://brlcad.org/bzflag/cvs/BUGS |
| 15:57.42 | Snuffleupagus | looks like the normal amount of bugs for .0 release :) |
| 15:58.02 | learner | we don't care about most of those :) |
| 15:58.15 | learner | http://brlcad.org/bzflag/cvs/TODO is what is holding us up |
| 15:58.33 | Snuffleupagus | yeah, like the OS X stuff, who actually uses that stuff anyway.... |
| 15:59.56 | Snuffleupagus | fyi, redhat 9.0 installed on the laptop rather cleanly...... |
| 16:00.36 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): er, s/video/audio/ |
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| 16:34.24 | learner | howdy dmp |
| 16:34.53 | [dmp] | hi learner |
| 16:34.55 | [dmp] | ~seen ski |
| 16:34.57 | | ski <ski@pool-151-201-123-59.pitt.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 116d 12h 58m 5s ago, saying: 'gnight all'. |
| 16:35.18 | tapo^wk | ~seen tapo^wk |
| 16:35.20 | | tapo^wk is currently on #bzflag (4h 37m 16s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 2s |
| 16:35.30 | tapo^wk | just curious. |
| 16:38.13 | StuffedPig | god dag |
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| 16:39.50 | [dmp] | God aften :) |
| 16:40.14 | StuffedPig | ha :) |
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| 16:51.26 | tapo^wk | this morning I dreamt of bzflag. couldn't get rid of that images of flying shots on the radar. I think I shouldn't play today... |
| 16:52.41 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 16:52.54 | [dmp] | must have been a sweet dream :) |
| 16:53.30 | tapo^wk | the funny thing is, I had a sweet dream, but saw those images the same time... :-) |
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| 16:54.10 | [dmp] | hehe, yikes :) |
| 16:54.32 | [dmp] | i cant never remember my dreams, so have no clue if i dream about bzflag too. |
| 16:54.53 | [dmp] | But gf dosnt complain about me dodging, so i dont think so :) |
| 16:54.56 | [dmp] | Hey swedish |
| 16:54.58 | [dmp] | :) |
| 16:55.51 | david_v | er- hi :) |
| 16:56.33 | [dmp] | You're ashamed of beeing swedish? :) |
| 16:56.58 | david_v | only in the sense of being your neighbour :P |
| 16:57.05 | david_v | well, almost ;) |
| 16:57.09 | david_v | just a little water in between :) |
| 16:57.56 | [dmp] | Ah, like the: There is only thing i really like about sweden. They got a great neighbour :-) |
| 16:58.00 | [dmp] | Its old, i know :) |
| 16:58.21 | david_v | that was low :) |
| 16:58.29 | david_v | as was mine :) |
| 16:58.50 | david_v | but, if i'd study in the same tempo as i insulted you, i would have completed college now. back to work ;) |
| 16:59.09 | [dmp] | :-p |
| 16:59.42 | [dmp] | have fun, i need to read too. |
| 16:59.50 | david_v | thanks :) |
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| 17:41.52 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): fix the bug that causes a burrowed tank to get kicked when near a world edge on a small map. make bzfs output position when kicking for out of bounds.. |
| 17:42.51 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): fixed bogus burrow kick when near world edge |
| 17:43.49 | RadarOReilly | you go boy |
| 17:44.55 | RadarOReilly | now the real question, is was it a problem with the kick code, or a bug in the BU flag by allowing you to burrow under the boundary wall |
| 17:45.22 | learner | neither really, in a way |
| 17:45.37 | learner | but to point a finger, it'd be with the kick code |
| 17:46.25 | learner | it was floating point fuzz so that burrow depth would end up being -1.38123123etc and kick code would check if depth is < 1.38 .. hence a kick |
| 17:49.00 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): er, adding a positive to a negative isn't near as useful as adding a negative to a negative... |
| 17:51.05 | learner | the most interesting harder question is why does the depth change when we get near a world edge? :) |
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| 17:52.02 | learner | heya mayhem |
| 17:55.34 | Mayhem | hello :) |
| 17:56.33 | Patlabor221 | the world is curved |
| 17:56.41 | Patlabor221 | just like all of spacetime |
| 17:56.55 | captain_proton | i'll curve -your- spacetime! |
| 17:56.57 | captain_proton | *ahem* |
| 17:57.18 | Patlabor221 | fine, I won't send you the new jpop |
| 17:58.11 | captain_proton | hmmmmm? |
| 17:58.17 | Mayhem | jpop 8) |
| 17:58.31 | Patlabor221 | bfoj has a new folder |
| 17:58.31 | Noodleman | man, the healing brush in photoshop is great! |
| 17:58.34 | Noodleman | zitless! |
| 18:03.28 | Spiff | That's cheating, Noodleman. :) |
| 18:03.34 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 18:04.02 | Noodleman | http://www.noodleroni.com/images/banner.jpg |
| 18:05.13 | Patlabor221 | try less greassy food :) |
| 18:05.28 | Noodleman | but, maybe i LIKE greasy food! |
| 18:05.41 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 18:05.54 | Mayhem | argh, scary picture! |
| 18:05.58 | Spiff | Actually.. that's not what causes acne. Iodine causes acne... so avoid large amounts of salty food. :) |
| 18:06.11 | Spiff | Interesting banner, Noodleman. :) |
| 18:06.43 | Noodleman | that's the response i was looking for :-) |
| 18:07.14 | Spiff | Is it for the site? Or are you just playing around with Photoshiop? Hehehe. |
| 18:07.17 | Spiff | Photoshop^ |
| 18:07.22 | Noodleman | it's for the site |
| 18:07.29 | Spiff | Cool. :) |
| 18:10.42 | Spiff | So I'm guessin' that's your face? Well.. part of it. |
| 18:10.46 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 18:11.05 | Spiff | Groovy. You'll be having to beat girls off with a stick when they see that banner. ;) |
| 18:11.11 | Noodleman | haha |
| 18:11.18 | Noodleman | i already have that problem |
| 18:11.21 | Noodleman | :-P |
| 18:11.24 | Noodleman | not really |
| 18:11.40 | Noodleman | i don't think a girl has ever even noticed me |
| 18:11.43 | Noodleman | but i don't care |
| 18:12.20 | Spiff | I could pry hook ya up.. if you wanna drive about six hours to see her. :) |
| 18:13.38 | Spiff | Tsk, tsk... with that attitude.. a girl never will notice you! You hafta care. :D |
| 18:14.04 | RadarOReilly | it has an evil, yet Independant Film Channel look.....contemplative |
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| 18:14.31 | RadarOReilly | ...yeah, just dont tell bryjen....... |
| 18:14.58 | Noodleman | i'd personally rather never find a girl i like than get involved with the wrong one |
| 18:15.13 | bryjen | i just don't wanna know. |
| 18:15.24 | Patlabor221 | some people are less shallow then the just the looks there spiff |
| 18:16.15 | Spiff | That's a *good* attitude, Noodleman. :) |
| 18:16.15 | Renfield | Hmmm Pat, are you implying that people who care only about looks have more depth than others who only care about ???? |
| 18:16.22 | RadarOReilly | yes, some of us enjoy just warm blood.....the cold ones are just a little stiff in the morning |
| 18:16.29 | Noodleman | heh |
| 18:16.35 | Spiff | Patlabor221: referring to what? |
| 18:17.02 | Patlabor221 | no, not at all |
| 18:17.12 | Patlabor221 | just that some people are shallow |
| 18:17.34 | Spiff | Patlabor just likes to diss on me. :P |
| 18:17.41 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 18:17.47 | captain_proton | wibblewibble |
| 18:17.52 | Spiff | Mmm hmm. Or so you say. |
| 18:17.58 | Patlabor221 | or so you say |
| 18:18.12 | Patlabor221 | get helsing |
| 18:18.14 | Patlabor221 | you will enjoy |
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| 18:19.11 | Patlabor221 | didn't see more then 2 eps of which hunter robyn, but it was well animaged |
| 18:20.53 | Patlabor221 | mmmmm, key of the twilight :) |
| 18:21.04 | Mayhem | hey chiko! |
| 18:21.11 | Chikorita | hey Mayhem! |
| 18:21.16 | Chikorita | :D |
| 18:21.29 | Chikorita | was ist los? |
| 18:21.37 | Chikorita | wie gehts? |
| 18:21.48 | Mayhem | who's giving you german lessons? |
| 18:21.50 | Patlabor221 | don't you dare say DBZ |
| 18:21.51 | Chikorita | lol |
| 18:21.57 | Mayhem | gut danke |
| 18:22.06 | RadarOReilly | gut, un u |
| 18:22.11 | captain_proton | well specifically, i want stuff with characters like rei ayanami, lain's sister, kirika yumara, etc =) |
| 18:22.16 | Mayhem | dbz doesn't rate as anime afaict :) |
| 18:22.20 | captain_proton | and on that note, off to class |
| 18:22.41 | RadarOReilly | do asebestos you can |
| 18:22.52 | Chikorita | once i saw an epi of DBZ an i swear 1 of da characters farted in a scene |
| 18:23.01 | Chikorita | no joke |
| 18:23.08 | Patlabor221 | problay, it was made for 11 year old boys |
| 18:23.19 | Chikorita | bye capn P |
| 18:23.29 | RadarOReilly | arent they all, pat? |
| 18:23.43 | Patlabor221 | not all, just the ones made for 11 year old boys |
| 18:24.01 | Noodleman | seriously, you wouldn't want you 11 year old boys to watch a lot of anime :-) |
| 18:24.03 | Patlabor221 | I would not let anyone under 16 watch helsing. |
| 18:24.39 | Patlabor221 | alucard R0x0rz |
| 18:24.57 | RadarOReilly | i guess gasarki is kinda dark.... |
| 18:25.02 | Chikorita | i like vampire hunter D |
| 18:25.05 | Chikorita | lol |
| 18:25.10 | Chikorita | gory |
| 18:25.12 | Patlabor221 | helsing is better then VPD |
| 18:25.13 | Chikorita | toon |
| 18:25.20 | Patlabor221 | less gore, more dark |
| 18:25.21 | Chikorita | :P |
| 18:25.23 | Chikorita | o |
| 18:25.34 | Mayhem | welcome to #bzanime :) |
| 18:25.34 | Patlabor221 | more story |
| 18:25.38 | Chikorita | lol M |
| 18:25.49 | Mayhem | my two favourite things combined! |
| 18:26.17 | Chikorita | i play BZ wif low details ,,,so in a way itz like playin anime tanks ;) |
| 18:26.32 | RadarOReilly | you play it pokeman style :) |
| 18:26.37 | Patlabor221 | anime tanks would have more bits and bobbles :) |
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| 18:26.42 | Chikorita | shush jaybee LoL |
| 18:26.55 | Chikorita | pokemons cute |
| 18:27.03 | Chikorita | dats y i like it |
| 18:27.18 | Mayhem | how old are you chiko! |
| 18:27.22 | Patlabor221 | http://www.machall.com/index.php?strip_id=3 |
| 18:27.30 | RadarOReilly | yeah, but you changed your icon to some "dark" girl....no running pokman for you |
| 18:27.38 | Chikorita | do u kno y dey neva air da very first epi of pokemon? itz becuz ashes dad dies in it |
| 18:27.56 | Chikorita | i picked dat icon cuz it looks like mee :) |
| 18:28.07 | Mayhem | awesome link Pat :) |
| 18:28.41 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 18:28.42 | Chikorita | haha |
| 18:28.56 | Chikorita | funny |
| 18:29.02 | Chikorita | link |
| 18:29.04 | Spiff | They're depressssssing. |
| 18:30.33 | Spiff | Though "The Leaving Song Pt. II" kinda r0x0rz. |
| 18:31.01 | Chikorita | good drink .,.amp |
| 18:31.22 | Amp | good, right next to bull bile...er red bull |
| 18:31.35 | Patlabor221 | jiz not bile |
| 18:31.41 | Chikorita | ive neva tried red dull |
| 18:31.46 | Chikorita | bull* |
| 18:31.49 | Patlabor221 | it gives you wings |
| 18:31.50 | Mayhem | eww, red bull, evil |
| 18:32.02 | Mayhem | vodka redbull = very evil |
| 18:32.30 | Amp | hmmmm, never tried that one........caffiene and liquor, never sicker |
| 18:32.34 | Mayhem | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.39 | Chikorita | i wish i had my own starbucks bar in my basement |
| 18:33.36 | Spiff | Starbucks has a BAR? ;) |
| 18:33.38 | Chikorita | caffeine makes mee play BZ betta |
| 18:33.46 | Chikorita | coffee bar , yes |
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| 18:34.26 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 18:34.26 | Noodleman | what makes me play bz betta is rowdy classical music :-) |
| 18:34.36 | Chikorita | lol noodle |
| 18:34.50 | Chikorita | like ...mozart or wagner rowdy? |
| 18:34.53 | Mayhem | Rowdy classical? example? |
| 18:34.53 | Spiff | Gimme a break, Mayhem!!! ;) LoL |
| 18:34.53 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 18:34.58 | Mayhem | Spiff: :) |
| 18:35.05 | Noodleman | wagner has some good bzflag music |
| 18:35.12 | Chikorita | ya |
| 18:35.32 | Noodleman | tchaikovsky has some too |
| 18:35.43 | Chikorita | flight of da valkyries |
| 18:35.46 | Noodleman | mozart isn't very rowdy |
| 18:35.55 | Spiff | Hey Noodleman... ever heard "Hardcore Symphony?" |
| 18:35.59 | Chikorita | i kno , i jus threw dat in ;) |
| 18:36.02 | Noodleman | at least the stuff i've heard |
| 18:36.10 | Noodleman | nope, never heard of that, Spiff |
| 18:36.15 | Spiff | Ack!!!!!! |
| 18:36.19 | Spiff | Lemme find the mp3. |
| 18:36.20 | Chikorita | mozart an strauss r my fav classical composers |
| 18:36.34 | Noodleman | ever heard p.d.q bach? |
| 18:36.49 | Chikorita | um |
| 18:36.56 | Amp | no beetoven, no beriloz.....ug, the youth of the world |
| 18:36.58 | Noodleman | http://www.schickele.com/ |
| 18:37.09 | Noodleman | i like beethoven a lot too |
| 18:37.18 | Noodleman | only heard berlioz once |
| 18:37.42 | Chikorita | dat old guy looks weird |
| 18:37.49 | Noodleman | he is weird |
| 18:37.51 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 18:37.54 | Chikorita | lol |
| 18:37.56 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 18:38.18 | Noodleman | but, his music is good |
| 18:38.24 | Noodleman | and funny :-) |
| 18:38.36 | Noodleman | bet you never thought classical music could be funny, eh? |
| 18:38.38 | Chikorita | iz it like ...classical parody? |
| 18:38.46 | Noodleman | some of it |
| 18:38.51 | Chikorita | o |
| 18:39.01 | Noodleman | but alot of it is original |
| 18:40.11 | Amp | easy on those green ones there kiddo |
| 18:40.45 | Skittles | da green ones help u think |
| 18:40.54 | Skittles | an da red 1's give u power |
| 18:41.06 | Skittles | da purple 1's calm u down |
| 18:41.23 | Skittles | an da orange 1's wake u upz |
| 18:41.30 | Skittles | no eat mee |
| 18:41.37 | Noodleman | heh |
| 18:41.58 | Mayhem | I never realised they had so many effects... |
| 18:42.09 | Skittles | uh huh |
| 18:42.24 | Amp | its not soemhting the sane usually consider :) |
| 18:42.27 | Mayhem | they all just make me hyper, if I eat enough of em |
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| 18:42.34 | Skittles | lol |
| 18:42.39 | Skittles | o yea dat 2 |
| 18:43.18 | Skittles | da yellow 1's make u really hyper...good 4 BZ playing |
| 18:44.03 | Skittles | ibot: botsnack Kit Kat |
| 18:44.03 | | Skittles: thanks |
| 18:44.08 | Skittles | heh yw |
| 18:44.17 | Skittles | ~d |
| 18:44.42 | Skittles | foooo |
| 18:44.47 | Skittles | bbl peeps |
| 18:45.45 | Mayhem | how many nick changes you up to now? |
| 18:46.37 | ChuckDown | 31 i think |
| 18:46.50 | ChuckDown | but JB is keeping pace |
| 18:47.11 | Spiff | Noodleman: I can't fin the track. :( |
| 18:47.15 | Spiff | find^ |
| 18:47.31 | ChuckDown | Mayhem, have you seen Noir yet? |
| 18:47.42 | Spiff | That was one cool song too. Techno symphonic stuff. |
| 18:47.45 | Noodleman | ok |
| 18:48.32 | Mayhem | ChuckDown: no, trailer for it looked interesting though. |
| 18:49.04 | ChuckDown | it drags a little, but it has some cool concepts.......The Soldats are watching |
| 18:49.20 | ChuckDown | think purple_cow just went through it |
| 18:51.24 | Mayhem | For some reason I tend to watch for movies/ovas than series |
| 18:52.35 | ChuckDown | after 26 eps, i can understand why....heh |
| 18:53.32 | Mayhem | A good anime series will suck you in and not let you go until you've watched them all :) |
| 18:53.56 | Mayhem | Excel saga failed, so I only watch the first 6 odd episodes |
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| 18:55.14 | prodan | bzadmin: we have a tk called tom on ducati, ban him please thx |
| 18:55.51 | Mayhem | ~d |
| 18:56.55 | prodan | yep the Tom one |
| 18:58.33 | prodan | ~d |
| 19:01.20 | ChuckDown | are there ducati admins?.... |
| 19:02.18 | Mayhem | umm, well its Chestal's server, dunno who else knows the admin password... |
| 19:06.11 | ChuckDown | even with admins, it gets tricky trying to get to the site before the "cheater" leaves |
| 19:06.41 | ChuckDown | there was a cheat on secretplace yesterday, but by the time I could logged in and ready to ban, he was gone |
| 19:06.55 | ChuckDown | dang Newbie |
| 19:06.58 | Mayhem | i think he can go back through the server logs and ban the IP |
| 19:07.18 | Mayhem | thats why voting someone off is a good feature |
| 19:07.21 | ChuckDown | not sure if I can do that remotely, with just the client |
| 19:07.32 | david_v | Mayhem: hallo :) |
| 19:07.50 | david_v | Mayhem: btw did anyone help you yet? |
| 19:07.51 | ChuckDown | a voice from the land of the never setting Sun |
| 19:08.11 | Mayhem | hi david_v :) |
| 19:08.25 | Mayhem | lol @ ChuckDown |
| 19:08.56 | david_v | Mayhem: i'll just play some on Ducati. what about some ET after? :) |
| 19:09.05 | Mayhem | david_v: you bet :) |
| 19:09.17 | Mayhem | might even join you on ducati |
| 19:09.20 | david_v | :) |
| 19:09.50 | Mayhem | ~d |
| 19:11.29 | ChuckDown | ~bzflist |
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| 19:47.20 | david_v | ahh, enough bz now |
| 19:47.24 | david_v | Mayhem: ready? :) |
| 19:48.19 | Mayhem | david_v: yeah, but I may be distracted, getting phone calls... |
| 19:49.39 | Mayhem | brb |
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| 19:56.31 | captain_proton | yay i'm back |
| 20:00.27 | learner | yay you're back |
| 20:00.41 | ChuckDown | whoo hooo, you're back |
| 20:00.48 | learner | did you bring me gifts? |
| 20:00.56 | captain_proton | learner: 'fraid not |
| 20:01.09 | ChuckDown | boooo, you're back without gifts |
| 20:01.13 | learner | :( |
| 20:01.22 | learner | boo you're back |
| 20:04.52 | learner | *** Poll Results: 2 in favor, 2 oppose, 23 abstain *** |
| 20:06.19 | RedTomato | sounds like the florida election |
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| 20:07.01 | captain_proton | hooray for lime chips |
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| 22:04.15 | Mayhem | 'lo chiko |
| 22:05.08 | learner | 'la chika |
| 22:05.18 | Renfield | 'le chika |
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| 22:06.35 | learner | 'la bzgirl |
| 22:06.55 | Chikorita | hi Mayhem |
| 22:06.58 | bzgirl | hi |
| 22:07.00 | Chikorita | hi learna |
| 22:07.16 | Chikorita | hi ren |
| 22:07.22 | Chikorita | hi bzg |
| 22:07.35 | Renfield | 'le bzg |
| 22:07.47 | Chikorita | sowee i was chattin wif jbot :P |
| 22:08.00 | Mayhem | hi bzg |
| 22:08.08 | Chikorita | jbot seems nicer 2 mee |
| 22:08.16 | bzgirl | hi mayhem Renfield, Chikorita :) |
| 22:08.19 | Chikorita | listens |
| 22:08.43 | Chikorita | hows it going bzg? |
| 22:08.59 | bzgirl | its going :) |
| 22:09.05 | Chikorita | oops i got a message ,,brb |
| 22:12.27 | Chikorita | i think jbot is male |
| 22:12.38 | Chikorita | he said boobies to mee |
| 22:13.23 | Chikorita | anywayz i left bot park , he was gettin creepy |
| 22:14.05 | Mayhem | omg, you're getting harrassed by a bot... |
| 22:14.17 | Chikorita | lol |
| 22:14.37 | Chikorita | no he was nice 2 mee at first ..buh then it got weird |
| 22:14.37 | Renfield | You could get a restraining order, but I'm not sure where you would serve it. |
| 22:14.39 | Mayhem | did you say jbot *had* boobies? |
| 22:14.58 | Chikorita | no...nvrmnd |
| 22:15.02 | Mayhem | :) |
| 22:15.08 | Chikorita | heh :) |
| 22:15.27 | Renfield | I think chika is harassing the bots again. ;) |
| 22:15.46 | Chikorita | jbot is ok ...an no i not harrassin any1 LoL |
| 22:15.58 | Mayhem | hmm, most bot are pretty recent software, does that make them underage? |
| 22:16.11 | Chikorita | jus introducing him to da rest of da bz peeps ;) |
| 22:16.21 | Mayhem | or is it like dog years? |
| 22:16.23 | Renfield | Contributing to the delinquency of a minor? |
| 22:17.00 | Chikorita | heh no , teachin it 2 b smarta than u guyz |
| 22:17.06 | Chikorita | which wont take long |
| 22:17.08 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 22:17.10 | Chikorita | j/k |
| 22:17.29 | Chikorita | ~calico |
| 22:17.31 | | it has been said that calico is one of the best players on Team USA |
| 22:17.45 | Chikorita | ~asdf |
| 22:17.47 | | asdf is, like, one of the best players on Team USA |
| 22:18.13 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack ringpop |
| 22:18.13 | | :), Chikorita |
| 22:19.25 | Mayhem | :) |
| 22:19.41 | Renfield | I'm glad there are impartial judges running the competition :) |
| 22:20.04 | bzgirl | JB whois renfield? |
| 22:20.08 | Mayhem | I notice chiko has (USA) after her name in bz instead of (BZR) :( |
| 22:20.22 | Chikorita | lol u guyz |
| 22:20.42 | Chikorita | Mayhem: :( |
| 22:20.45 | Renfield | bzgirl: Classic gothic romantic adventure, care to take a guess, or would you like the answer? |
| 22:20.55 | Mayhem | its understandable... *sob* |
| 22:20.57 | Chikorita | wel ..u kno how it iz mayhemm. |
| 22:21.23 | Mayhem | blood thicker than water, nationism comes before the team, etc. |
| 22:21.28 | bzgirl | Renfield: no guess, better to just tell me |
| 22:21.49 | Chikorita | wen i have BzR afta my name ...peeps start buggin mee bout matches an stuff |
| 22:21.58 | Renfield | Dracula, Renfield is the lunatic who catches and eats bugs. I'm busily debugging code today. :) |
| 22:22.06 | Mayhem | Chikorita: yeah I know, i'm just teasing :) |
| 22:22.16 | Chikorita | itz tru tho , i have USA afta my callsign 2 help promote da I.S.T. :) |
| 22:23.12 | Chikorita | im jus proud of my team ...heh |
| 22:23.15 | Chikorita | an country |
| 22:24.04 | Mayhem | when I see I.S.T. I think... International Space St... umm |
| 22:24.28 | Chikorita | o heh |
| 22:25.17 | Chikorita | i have a feelin bzg duznt like da usa |
| 22:25.54 | Mayhem | well, she is Canadian, it must be hard having to live near you guys :p |
| 22:26.03 | Chikorita | lol |
| 22:26.36 | Mayhem | and being mistaken for an American because of her accent... |
| 22:26.40 | Chikorita | u c , i dunt kno y canadians had 2 make their quarter almost da same as da US quarter |
| 22:26.50 | Chikorita | same goes 4 da rest of da coins |
| 22:27.04 | Chikorita | u get stuck wif change dat u cant use |
| 22:27.22 | Mayhem | I'm sure they have the same problem |
| 22:27.23 | Chikorita | bzg has an american accent? |
| 22:27.43 | Mayhem | I don't know, never met her |
| 22:27.50 | Chikorita | o |
| 22:28.01 | Renfield | She types with a Canadian accent. |
| 22:28.05 | Mayhem | heh |
| 22:28.05 | Chikorita | so how do u kno she .. |
| 22:28.07 | Chikorita | o i c |
| 22:28.09 | Chikorita | heh |
| 22:28.24 | Patlabor221 | I've never seen her type "eh" |
| 22:28.33 | Chikorita | types like an canadian eh |
| 22:28.45 | Mayhem | oh great, here we go... |
| 22:28.49 | Chikorita | lol |
| 22:28.51 | Chikorita | im j/k |
| 22:29.31 | Chikorita | anywayz...itz not like i go around tootin da I.S.T. horn everywhere i go |
| 22:29.40 | Mayhem | ! |
| 22:30.05 | Chikorita | lol |
| 22:31.26 | Chikorita | itz a shame i dunt c any brits in da tournament... |
| 22:31.28 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 22:31.31 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 22:32.12 | Mayhem | yeah, those brits are pretty slack |
| 22:34.09 | Chikorita | bbl |
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| 23:00.35 | bzfrank | hi |
| 23:00.45 | bzfrank | hi bzgirl |
| 23:00.50 | bzgirl | hey frank |
| 23:01.14 | Mayhem | wb bzgirl, hi bzfrank |
| 23:01.29 | Mayhem | should I rename myself bzmayhem to fit in? ;) |
| 23:01.35 | Bagheera | hey girl, saw that the turkey was ok? |
| 23:01.37 | bzgirl | :) |
| 23:01.49 | Patlabor221 | sup frank |
| 23:01.50 | bzgirl | yeah Bagheera, it was great |
| 23:01.52 | Patlabor221 | hello bzg |
| 23:02.05 | bzgirl | hello Evil Kenivel |
| 23:02.18 | Patlabor221 | no, no jumping |
| 23:02.23 | bzfrank | mayhem: of course! :) |
| 23:02.24 | Patlabor221 | jumping = die |
| 23:03.00 | Patlabor221 | I gathered that |
| 23:03.25 | Patlabor221 | what does bzgirl approve of? :) |
| 23:04.03 | bzfrank | oh :) |
| 23:04.11 | bzfrank | little red ones? *grins* |
| 23:04.21 | bzgirl | like yours yes :) |
| 23:04.30 | Patlabor221 | didn't get a one of those, just a bmw |
| 23:04.47 | bzgirl | theyre good too, and mercedes |
| 23:05.21 | Patlabor221 | I had no need for it, so I gave it to my father for my sister to use |
| 23:05.29 | bzfrank | well, you know that mine is actually a rebuilt version, while it looks like the real thing and has the same motorization it isn't a a real 550 |
| 23:05.48 | bzfrank | the current price for a 'real' 550 is about >500000 USD |
| 23:05.59 | bzgirl | ouch |
| 23:06.03 | bzfrank | mine was a bit cheaper ;) |
| 23:06.09 | bzfrank | there are only 37 left! |
| 23:06.17 | Patlabor221 | that's a bit of cash |
| 23:06.49 | bzfrank | yep! |
| 23:06.53 | Patlabor221 | so P2501 doesn't use a fixed port? it uses a new one for each connection? |
| 23:07.16 | bzfrank | but as a replica its only about 18000 USD |
| 23:07.24 | bzfrank | no, a new port for each client |
| 23:08.21 | bzfrank | the server should be outside NAT anyway so it does not matter to use a range |
| 23:09.27 | bzfrank | bzgirl: still it is nice to drive around the city or getting some ice cream at the iltalian shop - always makes for show! :) |
| 23:10.07 | bzgirl | hmm, Italian ice cream is good no matter what car you use to drive there |
| 23:10.47 | Patlabor221 | I was gonna run one, but I can't set it up DMZ |
| 23:10.52 | Bagheera | now there is a girl for ya, its all about the ice ice babby |
| 23:10.59 | bzgirl | :) |
| 23:11.12 | Patlabor221 | you have any pans to change that? |
| 23:11.17 | bzfrank | pat - np the next version due in a week or so will have more narrow port range |
| 23:11.37 | Patlabor221 | and any plans for a list server/discovery method? |
| 23:11.40 | bzfrank | actually configurable to your needs |
| 23:11.52 | bzfrank | yes, the list server is half done |
| 23:12.05 | Patlabor221 | your using SDL_NET? |
| 23:12.08 | bzfrank | yep |
| 23:12.18 | Patlabor221 | I'm using enet |
| 23:12.53 | bzfrank | enet is supposed to do all UDP things for you right? |
| 23:13.02 | Patlabor221 | it' handles the client/peer/connection thing, so it only uses 1 port |
| 23:13.07 | Patlabor221 | yes UDP only |
| 23:13.15 | Patlabor221 | even relyable |
| 23:13.23 | Patlabor221 | it's rather cool |
| 23:13.31 | bzfrank | I wanted to do everything myself, no libs except the core ones |
| 23:13.41 | Patlabor221 | I have my own libs on top of enet |
| 23:13.53 | Patlabor221 | so the backend can be changed if needed |
| 23:14.13 | bzmayhem | night all |
| 23:14.18 | bzfrank | is enet multithreaded? |
| 23:14.35 | Patlabor221 | don't remember |
| 23:14.40 | Patlabor221 | I think it is by default |
| 23:16.11 | bzfrank | still I see no trouble with multiple ports, except of course simpler firewall setup... |
| 23:16.23 | Patlabor221 | that's the big thing |
| 23:16.32 | Patlabor221 | there are a lot of nats out there |
| 23:17.06 | Patlabor221 | a number of nat boxes have a limited number of ports they can route |
| 23:18.14 | Patlabor221 | if you have a linux server, I could run that, I have a 'nix machine that's on the raw net |
| 23:19.24 | bzfrank | not multithreaded... |
| 23:19.31 | bzfrank | enet that is |
| 23:19.43 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 23:19.53 | Patlabor221 | has full source, I could make it multi threaded if need be |
| 23:20.05 | bzfrank | well, do it! :) |
| 23:20.24 | Patlabor221 | not sure if it's totally needed, want to do some more testing. |
| 23:20.32 | bzfrank | linux is also on the move |
| 23:20.56 | bzfrank | well, I tried polling and it sucks big time for a server (at least in my implementation) |
| 23:21.17 | bzfrank | clients are ok however, but polling makes latency too high |
| 23:21.56 | Patlabor221 | see, since I wraped up enet in my own lib, I could just make my stuff run in a thread if needed, and be fine. |
| 23:22.45 | bzfrank | well, so do it! :) |
| 23:22.47 | Patlabor221 | with no change to the client app |
| 23:23.05 | Patlabor221 | again, I neeed to see, my archetecture is rather difrent from yours :) |
| 23:23.21 | bzfrank | ah, pyenet... that is reason you like it so much ;) |
| 23:23.34 | bzfrank | your shooter game? |
| 23:23.39 | Patlabor221 | wellt hat's why cap likes it |
| 23:23.48 | Patlabor221 | it will have shots yes |
| 23:24.06 | Patlabor221 | tho it's primary design goal is extendeblity |
| 23:24.13 | bzfrank | well, if enet has existed in a suitable state a year ago I would have used it |
| 23:24.18 | Patlabor221 | so it's hard to say what any one game type will do |
| 23:24.35 | Patlabor221 | it seems to work well for the "Cube" game |
| 23:24.48 | bzfrank | but I dislike the idea of ripping out core parts just to plug another part into I don'T know if it makes things worse |
| 23:25.23 | Patlabor221 | ohh sure for you, I would not want to shoehorn enet in there |
| 23:25.33 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure Sdl_net will work fine |
| 23:25.46 | Patlabor221 | I just compared the 2 APIs and liked enet better |
| 23:25.59 | bzfrank | SDL_net is very basic |
| 23:26.03 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:26.21 | Patlabor221 | I actualy had an implementation of my net lib that used it |
| 23:26.32 | bzfrank | with retransmit and all? |
| 23:26.36 | bzfrank | or just tcp? |
| 23:26.46 | Patlabor221 | my intital thing was just TCP |
| 23:27.04 | bzfrank | for a LAN game thats ok! |
| 23:27.10 | Patlabor221 | it was getting funky when I tried to do the UDP, that's when I started looking at enet |
| 23:27.32 | Patlabor221 | the enet api just made more sense to me |
| 23:27.38 | bzfrank | yep |
| 23:27.48 | Patlabor221 | LAN is not my goal :) |
| 23:27.50 | bzfrank | there not much UDP libs out there |
| 23:28.04 | bzfrank | of coruse the original quake src |
| 23:28.10 | Patlabor221 | yeah, I thought there would be more |
| 23:28.20 | bzfrank | hawkNL (upcoming support for UDP reliable) |
| 23:28.31 | bzfrank | and enet |
| 23:28.42 | Patlabor221 | hawk just had a new release too |
| 23:28.49 | bzfrank | most folks just use DirectX and stay with windows |
| 23:28.50 | Patlabor221 | was gonna take a look at it one of these days |
| 23:28.52 | bzfrank | 1.67 |
| 23:28.53 | captain_proton | wibblewibblewibble |
| 23:28.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah, I do not like direct play |
| 23:29.25 | Patlabor221 | all my stuff should be fine under Win,Lin, and OSX |
| 23:30.22 | bzfrank | yep! |
| 23:30.29 | Patlabor221 | asuming learner or jbd can find a way to get the dynamic lib loading working under lin and OSX :) |
| 23:31.56 | bzfrank | so what is the state of your game? I noticed the sections on the bb are gone? |
| 23:32.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah, I cleaned those up |
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| 23:32.38 | Patlabor221 | working on clinet stuff, and finalising the global archetecture, all the sub parts are basicly done |
| 23:32.48 | Patlabor221 | I make it it's own forums :) |
| 23:32.57 | bzfrank | ok ;) |
| 23:33.14 | bzfrank | the name is screamers? cube? |
| 23:33.31 | Patlabor221 | it's now just Project24, as none of the other names fit |
| 23:33.53 | Patlabor221 | http://project24.bakadigital.com/ |
| 23:33.57 | bzfrank | as long as it is not 2501 ;) |
| 23:34.03 | Patlabor221 | no no |
| 23:34.16 | Patlabor221 | tho it woulda been if you didn't allrady have it :) |
| 23:34.39 | bzfrank | *grins* |
| 23:34.50 | Patlabor221 | last thing I did that didn't have a name was Project23... so..... |
| 23:35.59 | Patlabor221 | I need more people to "devil's advocate" my design overview mostly now. |
| 23:36.12 | bzfrank | looks good, mut the models I have seen before in screamer? right? |
| 23:36.17 | bzfrank | alos the chicken ;) |
| 23:36.27 | Patlabor221 | in the screenies, yeah |
| 23:36.32 | Patlabor221 | those are old screamers shots |
| 23:37.00 | Patlabor221 | screamers was moslty just at test of the basic libs and ideas, they have been refined since then. |
| 23:37.21 | Patlabor221 | gotta have a chicken :) |
| 23:37.37 | Patlabor221 | they joy of plugin game modules :) |
| 23:37.38 | bzfrank | I gotta have soccer ball ;) |
| 23:38.27 | Patlabor221 | if somone wanted one, they could just derive off there own game type that used one and just distribute the module |
| 23:38.56 | bzfrank | so you do robots? |
| 23:38.56 | Patlabor221 | will even support autodownload content if you enable it in the client |
| 23:40.06 | Patlabor221 | there are multiple ways to implement them, you could make a gamelib that didn't use any input and video and sournd, and be a standalone bot, or you could have a server side game lib do bot logic |
| 23:40.12 | Patlabor221 | it's open for both |
| 23:40.30 | Patlabor221 | gamestate, input, and output are all separate. |
| 23:42.02 | Patlabor221 | since there is not a single game model, there won't be a "bot" API like one would expect, but the game base class wil have hooks for common bot fuctions, so a bot author just has to derive his own. |
| 23:42.30 | bzfrank | but a bot as access to the game variables? |
| 23:42.49 | Patlabor221 | sure, it's part of the same module that is the gamestate |
| 23:43.00 | bzfrank | how do you prevent cheating - e.g. bots gets radar updates even for stealth objects? |
| 23:43.01 | Patlabor221 | the "game" part is a plugin |
| 23:43.12 | Patlabor221 | would depend on the game type |
| 23:43.37 | Patlabor221 | mostly by verifying all info serverside |
| 23:43.39 | Patlabor221 | that's the core |
| 23:43.42 | captain_proton | bwahahahahaha |
| 23:43.45 | captain_proton | guess what comes tomorrow |
| 23:44.04 | bzfrank | the sun up the easten horizon? |
| 23:44.11 | Patlabor221 | also if a server is "signed" then only other "signed" client classes can connect to it, and the only way to get signed is to be using a binary. |
| 23:44.16 | captain_proton | wrong! |
| 23:44.35 | Patlabor221 | if you build it yourself you won't be "signed" and your game/server will go to the "Unsigned" section of the list server. |
| 23:44.39 | captain_proton | ninja sockssssssss |
| 23:44.50 | Patlabor221 | real sox ? or those boots? |
| 23:44.56 | captain_proton | well, the boots |
| 23:45.01 | captain_proton | but they're mostly socks |
| 23:45.05 | captain_proton | :) |
| 23:45.12 | bzfrank | how do you handle things? RSA? |
| 23:45.13 | Patlabor221 | ninja b00ti3z |
| 23:45.19 | bzfrank | captain: COOL! :) |
| 23:45.34 | Patlabor221 | I have my own method for the signing |
| 23:45.36 | bzfrank | netrek style? |
| 23:45.51 | Patlabor221 | don't know what it's like |
| 23:45.57 | bzfrank | ok, ok you won't have to tell ;) |
| 23:46.06 | Patlabor221 | well I don't know much about others |
| 23:46.56 | Patlabor221 | this isn't my core security seciton, mostly its for filtering so people can know what servers are running "official" game types, and what ones are running "experimental" game types |
| 23:47.09 | bzfrank | lookup the nettrek thingy, it is quite interesting |
| 23:47.18 | Patlabor221 | it is more then just a hash or magic value tho |
| 23:48.05 | bzfrank | packet checksums? |
| 23:48.20 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.41 | Patlabor221 | this is just a one time thing at list server time |
| 23:48.48 | Patlabor221 | and when you log in |
| 23:49.00 | Patlabor221 | after that, the server verifys all data |
| 23:49.04 | Patlabor221 | the server keeps a gamestate |
| 23:49.24 | Patlabor221 | and it IS authoritive |
| 23:49.26 | Patlabor221 | that is the core cheat protection |
| 23:49.37 | Patlabor221 | that and an optional "ref" server |
| 23:49.42 | bzfrank | so also the server checks for hits and send the clients the 'you are dead now' message? |
| 23:50.00 | Patlabor221 | both the client and the servers check for hits |
| 23:50.08 | Patlabor221 | but the server send the final, yes you are dead |
| 23:50.29 | Patlabor221 | the client just does it to help graphics work out |
| 23:50.46 | bzfrank | pre-explode ;) |
| 23:51.13 | Patlabor221 | well all clients know how far off in time they are from the server so there are timestamps, |
| 23:51.17 | Patlabor221 | not really "pre" |
| 23:51.40 | Patlabor221 | in a non cheat situation it should be very very close to a real situation |
| 23:51.48 | bzfrank | Client: 'BOOM' I am dead - Server: No, you are not! Client: OOps (like the "bomb" dialog in Dark Star) |
| 23:52.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah, that could happen, this is what needs testing |
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| 23:52.27 | Patlabor221 | i feel it should be rare in non cheat situations |
| 23:52.42 | Spiff | I wish I had support for three monitors on one PC right now! :D |
| 23:52.44 | bzfrank | depends on latency |
| 23:52.47 | Patlabor221 | all positionals are timestamped |
| 23:52.51 | Spiff | I've got three 17"'s in one room at the moment. ;) |
| 23:52.55 | bzfrank | spiff: Matrox Parhelia |
| 23:52.58 | Patlabor221 | so the client and server should be decently synced |
| 23:53.24 | Patlabor221 | most MX cards do dual head, that and your onboard and your good |
| 23:53.50 | Patlabor221 | bzfrank, I am not designing this around modem players :) |
| 23:54.00 | bzfrank | cheapo on eBay |
| 23:54.02 | Spiff | This IBM G74 monitor r0x0rz.. and costs $88 (shipping included). :) |
| 23:54.03 | Patlabor221 | mmmmm that be nice |
| 23:54.21 | captain_proton | bzfrank: the trinitron one? |
| 23:54.26 | bzfrank | yep |
| 23:54.29 | captain_proton | ooooooo |
| 23:54.36 | bzfrank | based on sony |
| 23:54.37 | Spiff | Okies... brb.. time to unplug this.. I was just testing it for my sister.. hehehe. :) |
| 23:54.55 | bzfrank | should I take a picture how it looks for you ;) |
| 23:55.13 | captain_proton | sure |
| 23:55.21 | bzfrank | this is my fs2004 setup! |
| 23:55.34 | Patlabor221 | the bossman here is now running a 20" LCD and 2 17' LCDs |
| 23:55.35 | bzfrank | ok, 19' sgis screens left and right but still ok |
| 23:55.37 | captain_proton | this one, right: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2760698408&category=41807 |
| 23:56.12 | bzfrank | yes, only mine is light gray |
| 23:56.38 | captain_proton | ah, the older model, i believe |
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| 23:56.49 | bzfrank | the 'old' sgi gray yes, but refurbished |
| 23:56.59 | Renfield | bzfrank: a 24 foot screen, I hope you have a DVD player attached to it as well. ;) |
| 23:57.26 | bzfrank | no, because for THAT I have a 3 meter projection unit ;) |
| 23:57.40 | bzfrank | really, I took some effort to equip my lab |
| 23:57.44 | Renfield | That's 2.5 times smaller. ;) |
| 23:58.11 | bzfrank | 3 meter diagonal? XGA LCD projector? |
| 23:58.17 | Renfield | I haven't even seen the 19 foot screens from SGI ;) |
| 23:58.23 | Patlabor221 | sell kidneys |
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| 23:58.33 | bzfrank | playing quake or Zelda 64 on that makes you motion sick in zero time ;) |
| 23:58.42 | sn0w_d0ggy | hey bz |
| 23:58.46 | sn0w_d0ggy | frank |
| 23:58.49 | Renfield | 3 meters is about 10 feet, much smaller than 24 feet. |
| 23:58.51 | sn0w_d0ggy | nice pixs u had dere |
| 23:59.13 | sn0w_d0ggy | heh |
| 23:59.15 | bzfrank | ahh foot |
| 23:59.24 | bzfrank | those funny english units! ;) |
| 23:59.32 | bzfrank | I thought you mean inch ;) |
| 23:59.34 | Renfield | the difference between ' and ". ;) |
