| 00:12.03 | bryjen | Hey, MAC, the certificate on your java active players thingy is expired |
| 00:16.15 | *** join/#bzflag Quol (~quolsimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 00:18.06 | bryjen | Quol_attached ? |
| 00:18.19 | Quol_ | yes :) |
| 00:18.30 | Quol_ | for a little bit - can't stay for long though |
| 00:18.45 | Quol_ | I am checking out dircproxy to see how it works |
| 00:21.24 | Quol_ | well- i am of again - might bbl... |
| 00:21.46 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzedit/ (33 files in 2 dirs): Removed old files |
| 00:22.52 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@adsl-66-72-31-84.dsl.kntpin.ameritech.net) |
| 00:22.58 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzedit/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Remove autogenerated files |
| 00:26.16 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzedit/ (19 files in 2 dirs): The XPMs were needed after all |
| 00:28.06 | bzgirl | bye #bz |
| 00:28.08 | *** part/#bzflag bzgirl (~orchid@ottawa-hs-209-217-84-98.d-ip.magma.ca) |
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| 00:52.30 | Patlabor221 | :( |
| 00:52.56 | learner | turn that frown upside town |
| 00:53.03 | learner | ): |
| 00:53.27 | Patlabor221 | wheeee, horns! |
| 00:54.20 | bryjen | }:( |
| 00:55.00 | learner | heh |
| 00:56.32 | Patlabor221 | I am amazed that the "comunity"'s ability to scare off women tho |
| 00:56.47 | learner | ah.. that :( |
| 00:56.50 | learner | yes |
| 00:56.51 | learner | :( |
| 00:56.55 | bryjen | huh? |
| 00:57.27 | Patlabor221 | there tain't none left man |
| 00:58.09 | fiberchunks | what's this? |
| 00:58.09 | learner | All mostly due to a few select personalities |
| 00:58.14 | fiberchunks | and hello |
| 00:58.30 | Patlabor221 | yeah, that' what sucks |
| 00:58.56 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 00:59.09 | fiberchunks | nada, what's going on now? |
| 00:59.24 | Patlabor221 | female exodus |
| 00:59.43 | fiberchunks | hrm, harassing morons on the field of battle again? |
| 01:00.47 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.05 | bryjen | woah. |
| 01:02.50 | Patlabor221 | the comunity is too small to be stable, there arn't enough people to ballance out the assholes, and the people who have no life and play 24/7 |
| 01:03.06 | Patlabor221 | so I can see how it can become not fun rather quick |
| 01:05.27 | fiberchunks | did she make an announcement somewhere? I see that she took her blogs offline, which strikes me as 'uncharacteristic' of her |
| 01:05.47 | Patlabor221 | no she did not anouce it |
| 01:06.13 | Patlabor221 | but with all the lame ass crap this week I can see why would you want to put up with it. |
| 01:06.24 | Patlabor221 | get back to the realworld for a bit. |
| 01:06.46 | fiberchunks | what new and exciting lame things happened this week? |
| 01:07.06 | Patlabor221 | knightmare snaped |
| 01:07.07 | bryjen | exciting lameness? |
| 01:08.00 | Patlabor221 | all these wonderfull pokings and prodings in dev are gonna be poinless if there is noone to play |
| 01:08.29 | learner | there will be noone to /poll ban :( |
| 01:09.11 | bryjen | learner: that's something to hope for. noone to play with is bad. |
| 01:10.13 | Patlabor221 | what a whoping 3 people have commented on the new builds? |
| 01:11.03 | Patlabor221 | kinda bums you out when you push that hard and there is noone to receve what is pushed |
| 01:11.04 | learner | it's because a large portion of the players that were attracting new players aren't playing much any more |
| 01:11.39 | fiberchunks | cause most of us get fed up real easily with twits :\ |
| 01:12.31 | Patlabor221 | well sure everyone does. but when 75% of the people out there are twits and/or powergamers |
| 01:12.52 | Patlabor221 | kinda makes the "cool" people count down to 1 hand. |
| 01:13.09 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 01:13.26 | Patlabor221 | there arn't even enough people to properly support a leauge |
| 01:13.46 | bryjen | i think i've seen 3 or 4 non-dev persons on my 1.9 server |
| 01:15.28 | learner | yet for some reason, the stats seem to go strong |
| 01:15.45 | learner | which just goes to show how poor the "weenie" ratio has grown |
| 01:15.54 | Patlabor221 | that's my point |
| 01:15.56 | learner | or how well |
| 01:17.12 | Patlabor221 | not that you guys arn't cool, but it dosn't seem to do it for me just working on it for the people here |
| 01:17.49 | Patlabor221 | as it's almost Underworld time |
| 01:25.14 | fiberchunks | Underworld? I thought that wasn't coming on until october? |
| 01:25.50 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 01:25.56 | Patlabor221 | came out firday |
| 01:26.03 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 01:26.10 | Patlabor221 | and now I must go to pick up the possie |
| 01:26.12 | fiberchunks | looks like a good one -- lemme know what you think :) |
| 01:26.28 | Patlabor221 | LEATHER PANTS, on Kate Beckensail! :) |
| 01:26.32 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 01:27.20 | MrApathyCream | it is a mere coincidence that i show up when patlabor221 leaves... |
| 01:27.52 | learner | Hrm.. a movie would be good |
| 01:27.58 | learner | get away from this funk |
| 01:29.54 | learner | and now you share that poison with the rest of us! |
| 01:30.29 | MrApathyCream | yes indeedy |
| 01:31.14 | bryjen | or the tiny toons rendition, Wex Woofor ! |
| 01:32.18 | MrApathyCream | oh goody a new one |
| 01:33.28 | learner | that's okay MAC.. I get a craving for a hamburger every time you arrive for some reason |
| 01:35.49 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 01:38.18 | gonkulator | MrApathyCream: care to splain that one to the lurker that is me? |
| 01:38.26 | gonkulator | :) |
| 01:43.22 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): stop the infernal vc warnings |
| 01:44.36 | MrApathyCream | mmm? |
| 01:50.55 | *** join/#bzflag Michaelh (Mouse@171-242.dynamic.visi.com) |
| 01:57.54 | Noodleman | BALEETED! |
| 02:00.41 | bryjen | yipe. mem usage goes up a bit with the word filer. |
| 02:01.11 | learner | yep |
| 02:02.39 | bryjen | hmm. and it doesn't seem to be working. probly my fault tho... |
| 02:02.56 | learner | no, it's disabled right now.. I'm working on it right this minute |
| 02:03.14 | learner | i've been rewriting it this weekend |
| 02:03.43 | bryjen | erumph |
| 02:03.52 | learner | almost done |
| 02:04.15 | bryjen | no big deal. was just looking for more stuff to break ;) |
| 02:04.22 | learner | rewriting the actual aggressiveFilter method, that is -- not the whole thing ;) |
| 02:04.34 | bryjen | -filterSimple works then? |
| 02:04.50 | learner | it should be quite a bit faster than before and at 20% less memory usage from before |
| 02:04.59 | bryjen | coo |
| 02:05.01 | learner | yes, filterSimple should work |
| 02:06.06 | learner | even still, though -- it requires about 17MB or so for the entire multilingual filter |
| 02:06.11 | Michaelh | are you/can/would you use real regular expressions? |
| 02:06.37 | learner | the agressive filter uses regular expressions |
| 02:06.56 | learner | the simple one effectively does a strcmp |
| 02:08.04 | bryjen | vsz 23576 rss 17472 -filterSimple with the big list |
| 02:08.46 | learner | is that client or server? |
| 02:09.00 | bryjen | bzfs |
| 02:09.06 | learner | latest cvs? |
| 02:09.16 | bryjen | fairly recent snapshot |
| 02:09.51 | bryjen | snapped at 2003-09-21-19.44.51 |
| 02:10.02 | bryjen | mountain time |
| 02:10.07 | learner | close enough |
| 02:10.55 | learner | unless there's a leak somewhere, that should be right |
| 02:11.25 | bryjen | same vsz and similar rss without -filterSimple (but then you says aggressive is disabled... ) |
| 02:12.07 | learner | yes, but it still has to store all of the filter phrases -- turning on agressive just causes a compiled regexp to get stored |
| 02:12.34 | *** join/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:12.50 | learner | feel free to hunt and see if you can determine where those 17 megs are :) |
| 02:13.03 | SGI | hi |
| 02:13.07 | learner | hi |
| 02:13.30 | bryjen | gah. vsz 3980 rss 2716 without any -filter opts |
| 02:14.11 | MrApathyCream | i hate when i misplace 17m |
| 02:14.25 | learner | yea, that's right.. it uses almost nothing |
| 02:14.49 | learner | my system values are less than yours too.. hrm |
| 02:15.22 | learner | my resident and virtual sizes are 4.79M 18.2M respectively |
| 02:15.37 | bryjen | i think its got 4 slots each with an 8 MB right now.... |
| 02:16.03 | learner | last i checked, the usage is linear with the number of words in the filter |
| 02:16.16 | learner | you can just use less words (there is a simple filter list in misc/) |
| 02:16.25 | SGI | when you are going to release the new vers |
| 02:17.20 | learner | when our todo list is empty and the important bugs are fixed.. :) |
| 02:18.45 | MrApathyCream | ship it ship it! |
| 02:18.53 | bryjen | vsz 7096 rss 5828 with simpleSwearList |
| 02:19.28 | SGI | learner you gave me the badwordlist |
| 02:19.55 | SGI | may I add some corrections and more bad words |
| 02:19.57 | bryjen | and 11916k of free RAM |
| 02:20.05 | learner | sure SGI.. hack away. |
| 02:20.12 | learner | make sure you start with the latest, though |
| 02:20.29 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/bzflag/misc/ |
| 02:20.42 | SGI | oh yes im going to download right now and check some word |
| 02:21.07 | learner | multilingualSwearList.txt in that directory (simpleSwearList.txt as well) |
| 02:21.19 | SGI | and after how I can give back the badwordlist |
| 02:22.10 | Michaelh | so the complicated one tries to catch words like s*it etc..? |
| 02:22.11 | learner | you can mail it to me, if you'd like |
| 02:22.20 | Michaelh | sh*t ... etc.? |
| 02:22.40 | learner | yes. |
| 02:22.54 | bryjen | eep. only 640k free RAM when loading the multilingual list |
| 02:23.00 | learner | it'll match certain "l33t" speak conversions |
| 02:23.01 | Michaelh | heh |
| 02:23.06 | SGI | yes I can.....you think will be hard to send an email |
| 02:23.11 | bryjen | bitty box |
| 02:23.11 | Michaelh | probably just too much computing.... |
| 02:23.11 | learner | as well as automatic character repetition |
| 02:23.18 | learner | and inlined spaces/punctuation |
| 02:24.18 | learner | I've improved the performance just now, but as long as the response is within a sec or so on my box, I'm happy ;) |
| 02:24.48 | learner | regular expression parsing is not cheap, so if the box can't handle it cpu-wise, it needs to do less of them |
| 02:25.37 | learner | Anyone's welcome to optimize the sucker as long as it maintains it's "features" :) |
| 02:26.26 | Michaelh | it's probably just a cpu intensive thing to do |
| 02:26.31 | learner | Hrm.. that memory curve you have there bryjen is not linear... |
| 02:28.36 | learner | It shouldn't take even 15MB to stash 15,000 words.. |
| 02:28.44 | *** join/#bzflag KR (~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com) |
| 02:28.57 | KR | hi all |
| 02:29.02 | learner | that's part of what I get for relying on the STL for storage |
| 02:29.04 | learner | hi, kr |
| 02:29.31 | KR | wassup tofu |
| 02:29.34 | learner | bryjen, is that an optimized build or debug? |
| 02:29.35 | KR | ;) |
| 02:29.40 | learner | heh |
| 02:29.48 | tofu | I'm good |
| 02:30.07 | tofu | getting hungry now that you mention it, though.. |
| 02:30.38 | KR | darn, where's learner go? |
| 02:30.44 | KR | :) |
| 02:31.13 | bryjen | normal build, no --enable-debug |
| 02:31.33 | *** join/#bzflag learner (sean@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net) |
| 02:31.44 | learner | howdy |
| 02:31.47 | Michaelh | so they're stored as STL strings? |
| 02:32.23 | Michaelh | the naughty words I mean |
| 02:32.25 | tofu | they are stored as stl strings into a struct into an stl set |
| 02:33.15 | learner | perhaps there's some nastiness going on with storing the structs |
| 02:33.49 | tofu | it would be interesting to see the effect of storing pointers instead and using malloc |
| 02:33.53 | learner | indeed |
| 02:33.56 | Michaelh | perhaps something's being copied over and over again |
| 02:34.10 | Michaelh | instead of be pointified |
| 02:34.31 | tofu | could be, but there's not much code to loading the file |
| 02:34.43 | tofu | feel free to take a peek and let me know if anything looks fishy |
| 02:35.08 | tofu | include/WordFilter.h and src/common/WordFilter.cxx |
| 02:35.43 | bryjen | just eat tofu |
| 02:36.59 | JBDiGriz | learner is getting a bit schizophrenic these days ;^) |
| 02:38.17 | Michaelh | naaa. I'll just sit here and make vague suggestions |
| 02:45.24 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): bit dwiddlin' |
| 02:45.45 | bryjen | ~dict dwiddle |
| 02:46.31 | Michaelh | ~dwiddle |
| 02:46.55 | bryjen | ~spell dwiddle |
| 02:46.56 | | possible spellings for dwiddle: twiddle diddle twiddler dwindle twaddle twiddly diddler twiddlier twiddled twiddles swaddle |
| 02:46.59 | Michaelh | ~self-destruct |
| 02:50.44 | *** join/#bzflag mike____ (~mike@66.159.145.78.adsl.snet.net) |
| 02:52.16 | Popcorn | my goodness.. emmy awards is rather depressing me this year |
| 02:52.28 | KR | mmmm popcorn |
| 02:52.42 | Popcorn | They just covered everyone who has passed away over the past year.. |
| 02:52.43 | KR | tofu no make me hungry popcorn make me hungry |
| 02:53.05 | KR | me starting to sound lyke chikkeee |
| 02:53.38 | Popcorn | not until you mee your me's ;) |
| 02:53.39 | KR | listend to Johnny Cash "Best of" CD last night while anchored on me boat... |
| 02:53.50 | KR | noh, sorry then |
| 02:53.54 | KR | mee boat ;)( |
| 02:55.54 | KR | cya fiber |
| 02:56.05 | bryjen | u boat? |
| 02:56.18 | Popcorn | g'ite fibe |
| 02:56.25 | KR | no, its a sailboat not a sub... ;) |
| 02:56.43 | KR | although owning a sub "would* be cool |
| 02:56.50 | KR | specially if it had torpedoes... |
| 02:57.00 | KR | bzboat |
| 02:58.47 | KR | will he turn into a black hole when he's done? |
| 02:59.24 | JBDiGriz | I'm turning off the channel before I get sucked in. Give us warning. ;^) |
| 02:59.26 | KR | or will he just be a naked singularity sitting in front of the 'puter... |
| 02:59.32 | bryjen | he would have to eat _alot_ to achieve the necessary mass/density |
| 02:59.35 | JBDiGriz | eeeewwwww |
| 02:59.57 | KR | good point, bryj |
| 03:00.08 | bryjen | popcorn isn't very dense either |
| 03:00.17 | KR | his stomach would probably burst if he tried to fit that much popcorn in |
| 03:00.34 | KR | he could compress it beforehand... |
| 03:00.40 | KR | :) |
| 03:01.36 | KR | he munches as the gravitational field of the Earth begins to fold inward on a small area of Maryland... |
| 03:01.47 | SGI | learner ...have you a email???? |
| 03:01.53 | SGI | yes you do |
| 03:02.03 | SGI | Hi Quol |
| 03:02.07 | bryjen | rehi Quol |
| 03:02.10 | Quol_ | hey SGI |
| 03:02.11 | SGI | you scared me |
| 03:02.18 | KR | popcorn@microwave.corn |
| 03:02.18 | Quol_ | rehi back to ya bryjen |
| 03:02.19 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, i wonder if Maryland is the center of BZFlagdom |
| 03:02.20 | SGI | great meve there |
| 03:02.37 | MrApathyCream | either that or colorado |
| 03:02.41 | SGI | ADD = new words |
| 03:02.57 | Popcorn | as far as I've heard, I think the balt-wash metro area has the most bz-goers .. |
| 03:02.59 | SGI | learner ...gone |
| 03:03.16 | bryjen | learner = Popcorn |
| 03:03.24 | JBDiGriz | Then why is everyone on west coast time ;^) |
| 03:03.25 | Popcorn | ah, hehe |
| 03:03.34 | KR | Popcorn = ex-tofu |
| 03:03.34 | learner | I'll keep thinks simple |
| 03:03.36 | learner | :) |
| 03:03.48 | Quol_ | anyone up for a high speed CTF game? |
| 03:04.03 | SGI | I sent to you a salt opsss email |
| 03:04.04 | learner | where bouts? |
| 03:04.04 | Quol_ | I am going through withdrawl - haven't played in a while :) |
| 03:04.17 | learner | SGI, cool, I'll put it in |
| 03:04.21 | JBDiGriz | I'm not moving very quickly today, so I probably wouldn't be a good choice. |
| 03:04.26 | SGI | checkm before |
| 03:04.36 | Quol_ | what's up JB? everything OK |
| 03:04.38 | SGI | check before ADD = new word |
| 03:04.40 | MrApathyCream | 1.9 xmission? |
| 03:04.58 | SGI | ##### changed or new words |
| 03:04.59 | JBDiGriz | Major head cold, which has moved down to the chest for the day. |
| 03:05.04 | learner | no jumping.. |
| 03:05.08 | SGI | and some correction |
| 03:05.13 | learner | ducati-style with hs ;) |
| 03:05.42 | JBDiGriz | Do we have a 1.9 ctf site? |
| 03:05.54 | Quol_ | JBDiGriz: sorry to hear that, my wife has that also - I am still OK though - the immune system is fighting it :) |
| 03:06.15 | Quol_ | isn't xmissions CTF?? |
| 03:06.21 | KR | JB - echinacea :) |
| 03:06.22 | SGI | if some new words coming up ill sent to you only the new one |
| 03:06.25 | Quol_ | for 1.9 I mean |
| 03:06.30 | bryjen | xmission 1.9 is running rabbit chase |
| 03:06.40 | MrApathyCream | xmission is ctf |
| 03:06.42 | JBDiGriz | kr - advil |
| 03:06.44 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 03:06.45 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 03:06.46 | KR | lol |
| 03:06.47 | MrApathyCream | rabbit |
| 03:06.52 | Quol_ | ahh - that's right - forgot about that |
| 03:07.16 | learner | KR - valium |
| 03:07.18 | bryjen | its still the same map. its a lttle odd w/o the team bases |
| 03:07.28 | learner | JB - vodka |
| 03:07.28 | Quol_ | maybe I will create a CTFinstance going the oposite way for ya JB |
| 03:07.45 | Quol_ | all flags will be the bad "make my tank as big as a blimp" flag |
| 03:07.55 | SGI | JB -Grappa |
| 03:08.10 | Quol_ | that should slow the game down a bit :) |
| 03:09.07 | JBDiGriz | I might be able to keep up with the rest of you then.;^) |
| 03:09.13 | Quol_ | MrApathyCream: I was thinking of my alt CTF site for the game - didn't know if you were asking my the question about xmission - sorry for the delayed response :) |
| 03:09.33 | MrApathyCream | Noodleman, was just muttering incoherently |
| 03:09.38 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 03:09.41 | MrApathyCream | Noodleman, |
| 03:09.43 | MrApathyCream | erg |
| 03:09.45 | MrApathyCream | Noodleman, |
| 03:09.48 | MrApathyCream | erg |
| 03:09.52 | MrApathyCream | how to type n o , |
| 03:09.57 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 03:09.58 | MrApathyCream | no, |
| 03:10.01 | bryjen | never mind ? |
| 03:10.16 | MrApathyCream | Noodleman, was |
| 03:10.18 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 03:10.28 | MrApathyCream | you can't type n o , and then something else |
| 03:10.32 | MrApathyCream | without getting Noodleman |
| 03:10.36 | bryjen | LOL @ MrApathyCream's "helpful" IRC client |
| 03:10.46 | JBDiGriz | Could someone send an interrupt to MAC, he seems to be caught in a loop. ;^) |
| 03:10.47 | Quol_ | what client MrApathyCream? |
| 03:10.54 | MrApathyCream | xchat |
| 03:10.56 | bryjen | a windows proggie, right ? |
| 03:10.56 | KR | lol JB |
| 03:10.57 | MrApathyCream | 2.0.4 |
| 03:11.03 | MrApathyCream | windows, yes |
| 03:11.22 | Quol_ | I think there is an option to turn off autoname completion in the options? |
| 03:11.28 | MrApathyCream | yes, prolly |
| 03:11.45 | SGI | yes |
| 03:11.57 | KR | Clippy |
| 03:12.41 | SGI | yes |
| 03:12.42 | YesterdaysGone | MrApathyCream? |
| 03:12.47 | MrApathyCream | yes? |
| 03:12.55 | YesterdaysGone | ratz. didnt work. |
| 03:12.58 | SGI | arr |
| 03:13.10 | YesterdaysGone | try a yes, |
| 03:13.39 | KR | Q - is Socket 370 an Intel-specific architecture? |
| 03:13.49 | Quol_ | yes |
| 03:13.57 | SGI | to many yes |
| 03:14.02 | KR | thx |
| 03:14.10 | Quol_ | AMD has something else |
| 03:14.30 | KR | this"new" box is 370 |
| 03:14.39 | Quol_ | P4 chip? |
| 03:14.46 | Quol_ | or P3? |
| 03:14.51 | KR | nah - P3 - will a 4 fit? |
| 03:15.00 | KR | I need more cycles |
| 03:15.03 | KR | this is a 650 |
| 03:15.03 | Quol_ | no - actually now that I think about it - no |
| 03:15.13 | Quol_ | njust celerons and P3 |
| 03:15.17 | bryjen | intel couldn't get a patent on the physical connectors (they tried with the slot), but were able to lock down the bus protocol, so no interoperable sockets |
| 03:15.38 | KR | I can get a 1.2 smelleron that'll fit |
| 03:15.45 | Quol_ | lol KR |
| 03:15.51 | SGI | lol |
| 03:15.51 | Quol_ | I like that - smelleron |
| 03:15.56 | KR | :) |
| 03:16.09 | Quol_ | my "best" machine here is a 560 smelleron |
| 03:16.09 | SGI | ~dict smelleron |
| 03:16.19 | bryjen | celeries are pentiums with part disabled. they should use the same sockets |
| 03:16.45 | KR | my laptop is a smeller700, has worked fine |
| 03:16.52 | bryjen | SGI: Intel's Celeron processor |
| 03:17.00 | Quol_ | I hate that about intel also - you get a 566 processor, and it never runs at 566 - the best I coule get without overcloking it was 560 - close enough i guess |
| 03:17.33 | JBDiGriz | I'll stick with my dual 1G G4 processor ;) |
| 03:17.51 | KR | hmmm, maybe I could rip the CPU from my laptop out, and swap ;) |
| 03:18.00 | Quol_ | ya - at work I have a dual P4 2.4Ghz Xeon workstatin |
| 03:18.05 | Quol_ | it flies |
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| 03:18.33 | KR | I noticed a difference between this sys and my 1G Athlon |
| 03:18.36 | Quol_ | 128 MB GeForce4 Card with dual 19inch displays.. :) |
| 03:18.53 | bryjen | braggards ;) |
| 03:18.56 | Quol_ | the Athlon was a great processor |
| 03:19.08 | Quol_ | is I should say :) |
| 03:19.13 | SGI | Bryjen I know I was jocking |
| 03:19.21 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
| 03:19.37 | SGI | is a combination with smell and celeron |
| 03:19.38 | bryjen | eep. I was being too helpful. like Windows. scary. |
| 03:20.00 | Quol_ | I get dizzy playing KR |
| 03:20.03 | KR | bryjen = BillG |
| 03:20.11 | Quol_ | although I was testing out the projector in our conference room |
| 03:20.12 | bryjen | ~lart KR |
| 03:20.23 | Quol_ | and I played BZ on a projected 8 foot screen |
| 03:20.28 | Quol_ | really dizzying :) |
| 03:20.36 | KR | that would be neat to see |
| 03:20.53 | SGI | which projector are you using |
| 03:20.55 | Quol_ | can anyone get to: www.postnuke.com |
| 03:21.02 | KR | ~flat bryjen |
| 03:21.12 | bryjen | ~crush KR |
| 03:21.13 | | ACTION crushes KR with a full height scsi disk |
| 03:21.16 | SGI | nope I cant |
| 03:21.20 | KR | lol |
| 03:21.30 | Quol_ | hmm - wonder what happened to them... |
| 03:21.38 | KR | where arethe ibot commands listed? |
| 03:21.39 | bryjen | "host not found: www.postnuke.com" |
| 03:21.47 | Quol_ | that's what I get also |
| 03:21.59 | Quol_ | maybe they didn't re-register their domain name |
| 03:22.11 | bryjen | some of them are builtins and some are "factoids" added by people |
| 03:22.57 | bryjen | open a private chat and ask help |
| 03:23.07 | JBDiGriz | I don't get any soa record for postnuke.com |
| 03:23.50 | Quol_ | JBDiGriz: that's why I am thinking that they didn't re-register their domain - but I also wondered if that was the DNS server on my ISP.... |
| 03:24.30 | bryjen | whois still works for em. namesservers NS1.FIZBIN.COM NS1.SUDJAM.COM |
| 03:24.34 | used_popcorn_ven | yes will be great |
| 03:26.13 | JBDiGriz | The domain is still registered through Go Daddy. |
| 03:27.44 | Quol_ | hmmm - root DNS issues then.. |
| 03:28.07 | JBDiGriz | One of the DNS servers isn't responding at all. |
| 03:28.08 | KR | rename 'KR' 'Popcorn Too' |
| 03:28.21 | KR | maybe I no unnerstand... |
| 03:28.41 | KR | gotta use a ~ |
| 03:28.45 | KR | ? |
| 03:29.01 | used_popcorn_ven | ok |
| 03:29.33 | bryjen | KR: /nick whateveryouwant |
| 03:29.40 | KR | ahhh |
| 03:30.07 | VodkaTea | ~lart Popcorn |
| 03:30.17 | VodkaTea | hehe |
| 03:30.22 | MonkeyKiller | LOL!! |
| 03:30.22 | Popcorn | can I sue SCO for that? |
| 03:30.31 | bryjen | LOL @ Popcorn |
| 03:30.31 | Quol_ | you and your ibot madness learner :) |
| 03:30.53 | Popcorn | it's *their* IP ;) |
| 03:31.21 | VodkaTea | she's a good bot |
| 03:31.24 | JBDiGriz | The other DNS server doesn't have the soa record. |
| 03:31.24 | VodkaTea | ~botsmack |
| 03:31.25 | | sure, wanna snort some with me? |
| 03:31.43 | bryjen | with a few vices |
| 03:31.52 | Popcorn | lol |
| 03:32.11 | JBDiGriz | but she's not that fond of some people, right bry ;) |
| 03:32.27 | Popcorn | ~lart VodkaTea |
| 03:32.40 | Popcorn | ~lart VodkaTea |
| 03:32.50 | bryjen | we've got that love/hate thing goin on ;) |
| 03:32.53 | VodkaTea | ~crush Popcorn |
| 03:32.55 | | ACTION crushes Popcorn with a full height scsi disk |
| 03:33.04 | Popcorn | ~lart VodkaTea |
| 03:33.10 | Popcorn | oooohhhh |
| 03:33.24 | Popcorn | you've lost it, baby |
| 03:33.32 | VodkaTea | I never had it |
| 03:33.37 | Popcorn | lol |
| 03:34.30 | Quol_ | I forgot about that show - still any good JB? |
| 03:34.34 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Roger is more selective on low shot count servers |
| 03:35.30 | JBDiGriz | It's enjoyable, but doesn't come up to the original. This one is getting a little too mystical, sort of like the last episodes of DS-9 |
| 03:35.40 | *** part/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
| 03:35.52 | learner | lol |
| 03:35.55 | bryjen | augh-oh |
| 03:36.24 | VodkaTea | "Damn you vile woman!!!" -- Stewy |
| 03:36.37 | *** join/#bzflag triclops2 (cbro903@banjo31.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU) |
| 03:36.37 | JBDiGriz | Everyone wants to be learner these days. It must be the virtual pheremones. |
| 03:37.04 | VodkaTea | oh, didn't even get to lart that punk |
| 03:37.11 | VodkaTea | or ghost him either :) |
| 03:37.15 | DTRemenak | nope, I'm too quick |
| 03:37.27 | KR | lmao |
| 03:37.28 | VodkaTea | ~lart learner |
| 03:37.38 | JBDiGriz | get him ;) |
| 03:37.39 | bryjen | Other people want to be learner and learner wants to be other people, at the same time as being himself. |
| 03:37.42 | VodkaTea | wee I got something I didn't have :) |
| 03:38.02 | KR | help, I dont know who I am |
| 03:38.10 | JBDiGriz | learner is typically some form of food. It's easy to understand his motivations. ;) |
| 03:38.13 | SGI | nobody else does either |
| 03:38.21 | learner | :) |
| 03:38.28 | VodkaTee | :) |
| 03:38.35 | SGI | I am confused |
| 03:38.42 | bryjen | round and round we go... |
| 03:38.51 | slearner | :) |
| 03:39.02 | JBDiGriz | learner just ghosted SGI ;) |
| 03:39.02 | learner | where we stop, only learner knows |
| 03:39.09 | *** join/#bzflag I_want_mynickbac (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 03:39.13 | learner | hehe |
| 03:39.14 | learner | aww |
| 03:39.20 | alearner | you may have it :) |
| 03:39.28 | MrApathyCream | nick /learner |
| 03:39.39 | bryjen | oh, I know where we stop. Pat gets back from the movie and its ~baneveryone :O |
| 03:39.45 | slearner | lol |
| 03:39.47 | JBDiGriz | other way around /nick learner |
| 03:39.48 | alearner | lol |
| 03:39.49 | learner | sgi needs to learn how to kill nicks :) |
| 03:40.00 | alearner | he needs to register himself first |
| 03:40.07 | SGI | learn from learner |
| 03:40.10 | learner | that too |
| 03:40.17 | JBDiGriz | has everyone registered their nick? |
| 03:40.21 | Quol_ | who's who now?? |
| 03:40.29 | learner | I lost tags long ago |
| 03:40.31 | Quol | I'm you now |
| 03:40.33 | learner | er, tabs |
| 03:40.33 | Quol | :) |
| 03:40.35 | SGI | be or to be |
| 03:40.41 | JBDiGriz | Who do you need to know? |
| 03:40.46 | Quol_ | ok ok - funny guy |
| 03:41.01 | SQI | ehi |
| 03:41.04 | SQI | :) |
| 03:41.07 | JBDiGriz | That ones dtr, ghost him. |
| 03:41.09 | SGI | ahoi |
| 03:41.15 | SQI | lol |
| 03:41.15 | bryjen | SQL ? |
| 03:41.18 | Quol | which one is me? |
| 03:41.44 | JBDiGriz | He got away ;) |
| 03:42.01 | KR | there's no returning for you now! |
| 03:42.06 | SGI | arr |
| 03:42.11 | Quol_ | I will stop trying to figure it out... |
| 03:42.15 | JBDiGriz | You have a chance to ghost learner if you registered your nick. |
| 03:42.20 | KR | just /whois whoever you want to know |
| 03:42.32 | Quol | I hereby bequeath all my hardware and network resources to learner |
| 03:42.45 | SGI | how I can register my nick |
| 03:42.53 | Guol | no, give it to meeeeee! :) |
| 03:42.56 | DTRemenak | just /msg nickserv register <password> |
| 03:43.01 | Quol | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.07 | DTRemenak | if that doesn't work, /msg nickserv help |
| 03:44.07 | DTRemenak | wow...is everyone really back to who they really are? weird |
| 03:44.11 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@adsl-66-72-31-84.dsl.kntpin.ameritech.net) |
| 03:44.27 | DTRemenak | not pretty, whatever it is |
| 03:44.28 | SGI | are you DTR |
| 03:44.35 | DTRemenak | I am...just /whois me |
| 03:44.56 | DTRemenak | On the other hand, maybe it just says "Me." for real name... |
| 03:44.59 | SGI | prove it |
| 03:45.12 | KR | lol the peeps on my distro channel are like "what is going on dude???" |
| 03:45.20 | DTRemenak | n/m /whois will work, it says "DTRemenak is an identified user" |
| 03:45.31 | DTRemenak | that means I'm either me, or someone who knows my password |
| 03:45.58 | DTRemenak | lol |
| 03:46.14 | DTRemenak | fortunately there's noone on the other channel I'm on |
| 03:46.20 | KR | :) |
| 03:46.37 | Quol_ | well -i am going to play some bz - then I am off to bed... |
| 03:46.41 | KR | nope this is not KR DTR |
| 03:46.56 | KR | bye Quol |
| 03:46.58 | DTRemenak | yes it is |
| 03:47.06 | KR | not tis not! |
| 03:47.27 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.35 | DTRemenak | "KR is an identified user" |
| 03:47.39 | DTRemenak | that's good enough for me |
| 03:47.44 | JBDiGriz | kr is on #xandros, but dtr is only on #bzflag |
| 03:47.56 | KR | well, I am still confused, Jackie Chan style |
| 03:48.06 | DTRemenak | jb: no, I'm on #bzfsgui also |
| 03:48.15 | DTRemenak | as you would know, if you had /whoised me |
| 03:48.32 | bryjen | i did, and it didnt say so. |
| 03:48.37 | JBDiGriz | it's not listed. |
| 03:48.38 | SGI | btw for the BZFSGUI |
| 03:48.42 | DTRemenak | hm, that's odd |
| 03:48.46 | KR | same here |
| 03:48.53 | SGI | is great :o) |
| 03:48.54 | DTRemenak | when I did it said "DTRemenak: member of @#bzfsgui and #bzflag" |
| 03:48.59 | bryjen | freenode or elsewhere ? |
| 03:49.02 | DTRemenak | maybe I screwed up chanserv |
| 03:49.04 | DTRemenak | freenode |
| 03:49.22 | bryjen | I'm telling, DTRemenak broke the IRC! |
| 03:49.24 | bryjen | ;) |
| 03:50.15 | SGI | yes is cool |
| 03:50.27 | SGI | you want to try |
| 03:51.14 | KR | ok kids - I'm out - c ya'll later |
| 03:51.24 | FamilyGuy | cya, boatman |
| 03:51.26 | DTRemenak | c'ya kr |
| 03:51.32 | bryjen | later, whoever you may be ;) |
| 03:51.48 | SGI | Ok when I have fixed that jump Ill send to you an email |
| 03:51.49 | KR | lol |
| 03:52.22 | SGI | time to sleep |
| 03:52.28 | SGI | good night |
| 03:52.33 | DTRemenak | any chanserv experts know why #bzfsgui isn't showing up? |
| 03:52.35 | bryjen | nite SGI |
| 03:53.46 | SGI | have you a chan for the bzfsgui |
| 03:53.50 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 03:53.57 | SGI | where |
| 03:54.04 | DTRemenak | chanserv responds to /msg chanserv info #bzfsgui |
| 03:55.00 | DTRemenak | but apparently /whois doesn't tell anyone about it :( |
| 03:55.11 | bryjen | hmm, while i was in there, your /whois had both, now its back to just #bzflag |
| 03:55.16 | SGI | cool and bad |
| 03:55.20 | DTRemenak | weird |
| 03:55.22 | bryjen | could be a mode setting |
| 03:55.31 | DTRemenak | could be, but which... |
| 03:56.07 | bryjen | donno |
| 03:56.37 | SGI | ok ok stop...nite |
| 03:56.42 | *** part/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 03:56.46 | DTRemenak | g'nite sgi |
| 03:58.04 | bryjen | are you mode +i ? |
| 03:58.24 | DTRemenak | me? yes |
| 03:58.38 | bryjen | hmm, looks like i am too. not sure if that's it. |
| 03:58.52 | DTRemenak | I imagine it's a channel mode thing |
| 03:59.02 | DTRemenak | not a user mode |
| 03:59.04 | bryjen | http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/misc/ccosmos.html#_Ref439928743 |
| 03:59.47 | DTRemenak | http://www.freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 04:00.45 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.04 | bryjen | or not |
| 04:01.06 | DTRemenak | that's what I'm thinking, but I can't tell |
| 04:01.42 | bryjen | i just see +n, but my client isn't always too smart |
| 04:02.03 | DTRemenak | try now |
| 04:02.15 | bryjen | no bzfsgui |
| 04:02.21 | DTRemenak | nuts, that's not it |
| 04:02.51 | KR | ciao! |
| 04:02.57 | JBDiGriz | Adios |
| 04:02.57 | *** part/#bzflag KR (~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com) |
| 04:03.01 | bryjen | try setting your usermode -i for a sec |
| 04:04.26 | DTRemenak | did that do it, or not? |
| 04:04.47 | bryjen | same |
| 04:04.55 | bryjen | wierd |
| 04:05.33 | DTRemenak | ok, try that |
| 04:05.49 | bryjen | there it is |
| 04:05.53 | DTRemenak | hmmm |
| 04:05.58 | bryjen | what did you do? |
| 04:06.02 | DTRemenak | unset i |
| 04:06.14 | DTRemenak | so it's not the channel at all |
| 04:06.43 | DTRemenak | try again, see if it went away |
| 04:06.59 | bryjen | yup. just #bzflag |
| 04:07.08 | DTRemenak | well, that's it then |
| 04:07.59 | bryjen | hmm |
| 04:08.04 | bryjen | ~seen DTRemenak |
| 04:08.04 | | dtremenak is currently on #bzflag (49m 47s). Has said a total of 43 messages. Is idling for 56s |
| 04:08.25 | bryjen | probly because ibot isn't in bzfsgui to see you tho |
| 04:08.31 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 04:08.47 | DTRemenak | if I invite it, will it come (is it an it?) |
| 04:08.58 | bryjen | no idea |
| 04:09.09 | bryjen | some people claim ibot is a she |
| 04:09.17 | DTRemenak | dunno if it's a good idea, either, it's not my bot |
| 04:10.07 | DTRemenak | how does one tell a bot's gender, anyway? |
| 04:10.39 | bryjen | i doubt shes anatomically correct :) |
| 04:11.21 | DTRemenak | never know, I can't see him/her/it |
| 04:11.36 | DTRemenak | 's just a name |
| 04:11.40 | bryjen | on the internet, nobody knows what you are. |
| 04:12.11 | DTRemenak | ~ibot |
| 04:12.11 | | it has been said that ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 04:12.27 | bryjen | ~blootbot |
| 04:12.28 | | it has been said that blootbot is is a SF project. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:12.46 | DTRemenak | ~infobot |
| 04:12.46 | | dtremenak, i love abuse, feed me! |
| 04:12.55 | DTRemenak | ~feed |
| 04:12.55 | | from memory, feed is a package repository. See http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed, http://openzaurus.org/official/{stable,testing,unstable}/feed, or http://www.zauruii.com/zfi |
| 04:12.55 | bryjen | hehe |
| 04:13.05 | bryjen | ~botsnack |
| 04:13.05 | | thanks, bryjen |
| 04:13.09 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 04:13.15 | DTRemenak | ~botsnack |
| 04:13.15 | | :), DTRemenak |
| 04:13.20 | DTRemenak | ~infobot |
| 04:13.21 | | dtremenak, i love abuse, feed me! |
| 04:13.31 | DTRemenak | wow, it doesn't like hearing about infobot |
| 04:13.35 | bryjen | careful of the abuse replies, she'll start ignoring you |
| 04:13.45 | DTRemenak | ~botsnack |
| 04:13.45 | | :), DTRemenak |
| 04:13.51 | DTRemenak | ~botsnack |
| 04:13.51 | | aw, gee, DTRemenak |
| 04:14.15 | bryjen | and you can't bribe her with snacks once she's not listening |
| 04:14.19 | DTRemenak | lol |
| 04:14.46 | bryjen | she comes back around after a while |
| 04:14.46 | DTRemenak | sometimes bots are more trouble than they're worth...but don't tell ibot I said that |
| 04:15.09 | DTRemenak | I've gotta agree |
| 04:15.12 | JBDiGriz | that's one of the reasons we treat her as a female |
| 04:15.27 | bryjen | Ieeeee! |
| 04:15.31 | DTRemenak | does she take flowers too, or just chocolates? |
| 04:15.39 | JBDiGriz | ~take flowers |
| 04:15.55 | JBDiGriz | ~flowers |
| 04:16.33 | bryjen | bah |
| 04:16.38 | JBDiGriz | It doesn't look like she takes flowers |
| 04:16.47 | bryjen | ~eat flowers |
| 04:16.49 | | ACTION eats flowers and falls over dead |
| 04:16.54 | DTRemenak | lol! |
| 04:17.17 | DTRemenak | not exactly the desired effect |
| 04:17.31 | bryjen | oh well. enough bot abuse. off to bed. |
| 04:17.37 | FamilyGuy | She doesn't eat much.. |
| 04:17.52 | bryjen | not much agrees with her. |
| 04:18.10 | FamilyGuy | She's moody too |
| 04:18.17 | DTRemenak | lol..."blootbot...the slowest and most bloated bot in the world" |
| 04:18.18 | bryjen | smack and snacks |
| 04:18.37 | DTRemenak | some slogan |
| 04:18.40 | JBDiGriz | just snacks |
| 04:19.44 | DTRemenak | funny how all the doc links on the blootbot site go to the "unavailable and coming soon" page |
| 04:20.19 | JBDiGriz | It's been like that for a while. I suspect the maintainer isn't paying much attention to the project. ;) |
| 04:20.46 | DTRemenak | when there are no docs, look at the sources :) |
| 04:21.04 | JBDiGriz | Use the source, Luke. |
| 04:21.35 | DTRemenak | yeah, like that |
| 04:23.16 | DTRemenak | hm...they do have docs in the sf.net docman though |
| 04:23.17 | DTRemenak | weird |
| 04:31.12 | DTRemenak | ok, question: I start a server (1.7g2) and try to connect to it with a reimplementation of the protocol (107e) that I wrote off some old docs I had (labelled 107b), and before I can send msgEnter, the server (running -dddd) reports "Player [0] on 140 removed: Read Error" |
| 04:31.18 | DTRemenak | what am I doing wrong? |
| 04:31.36 | MrApathyCream | taking too much time? |
| 04:31.50 | DTRemenak | Not that I'm aware of |
| 04:31.55 | DTRemenak | how much time am I allowed? |
| 04:32.13 | MrApathyCream | um |
| 04:32.33 | DTRemenak | Everything is right in a row, as soon as winsock connects on the reconnect port |
| 04:32.58 | DTRemenak | and it's over a loopback interface, so it's not net lag |
| 04:33.13 | MrApathyCream | i think 10 secs in 1.7 |
| 04:33.21 | DTRemenak | way less time than that |
| 04:33.25 | DTRemenak | < 1 sec |
| 04:33.35 | DTRemenak | like, as fast as I can switch windoes |
| 04:34.25 | MrApathyCream | what MsgXX's did you send |
| 04:34.47 | DTRemenak | msgenter is the first. from the docs I'm gathering that msggetworld isn't really required |
| 04:34.56 | DTRemenak | am I wrong? |
| 04:35.03 | MrApathyCream | i guess not |
| 04:35.11 | MrApathyCream | the server doesn't care if yo don;t |
| 04:36.18 | DTRemenak | winsock never reports any progress on actually sending msgenter...bzfs kills the connection even before that |
| 04:36.37 | DTRemenak | I can connect to the connect port fine, grab the version and reconnect info |
| 04:36.47 | DTRemenak | but reconnecting seems to bounce off |
| 04:36.53 | DTRemenak | no errors or anything |
| 04:37.11 | MrApathyCream | not sure, but perhaps the order or closing old, opening new is important |
| 04:37.22 | MrApathyCream | perhaps need to open new first |
| 04:37.31 | MrApathyCream | don't remember |
| 04:37.33 | DTRemenak | hm...I'll try |
| 04:39.16 | MrApathyCream | why not write against 1.9 --- easier :) |
| 04:40.17 | DTRemenak | lol, that's what I'm thinking....wow, real documentation, and only one port! |
| 04:40.32 | DTRemenak | ok, now it doesn't report a read error |
| 04:40.41 | DTRemenak | but neither does it add me to the game |
| 04:42.09 | DTRemenak | but then, winsock never tells me that it actually sent msgenter |
| 04:45.49 | DTRemenak | ah, there we go |
| 04:51.00 | DTRemenak | ok, thanks much MAC. |
| 04:51.11 | DTRemenak | time to go to bed now, see you all later |
| 04:51.17 | MrApathyCream | nprob |
| 05:11.55 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-173-105-41.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 05:11.55 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 05:12.16 | FamilyGuy | darn.. nother bug |
| 05:15.31 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): newly discovered os x gamma bug |
| 05:16.08 | JBDiGriz | what's that |
| 05:17.08 | learner | if I set my second monitor to be the primary display, the game display is way too dark |
| 05:17.31 | learner | it's like it's using the gamme from the first monitor on the seconds |
| 05:17.34 | JBDiGriz | Hmm, I don't think anyone else will ever see that. |
| 05:17.55 | JBDiGriz | Pat's back from the movie. How was it? |
| 05:18.07 | learner | probably not, but I thought I'd record it so I don't forget to fix it later when I finally get back to working on the display code |
| 05:18.10 | Dahmphire | very entertaining |
| 05:18.17 | learner | ah yes.. was she hot? |
| 05:18.22 | Dahmphire | very |
| 05:18.27 | Dahmphire | some of the acting was "ehh" |
| 05:18.45 | Dahmphire | and the some parts a tad cofusing |
| 05:18.49 | learner | thumb up for dumb acting, hot bodies, and lots of action though? |
| 05:18.51 | JBDiGriz | It didn't look like a movie for plot or acting. ;) |
| 05:18.55 | Dahmphire | but it was better then "the bulletproof monk" |
| 05:19.10 | Dahmphire | a number of the actors did quite well actualy |
| 05:19.15 | Dahmphire | some people were just miscast |
| 05:19.51 | Dahmphire | and too me it looks like some parts were cut that should have been extended |
| 05:20.04 | Dahmphire | if there is a directors cut, it could take care of those parts |
| 05:20.17 | Dahmphire | but it did not "suck" not by a long shot |
| 05:21.30 | JBDiGriz | You missed out on the nickfest on the channel. |
| 05:21.40 | Dahmphire | ohh my |
| 05:24.22 | learner | JB.. it did lose track a bit, though.. I got credit for a slew of nicks I never used.. |
| 05:24.57 | learner | well.. slew=2 nicks :) |
| 05:25.22 | JBDiGriz | Which 2 didn't you use? |
| 05:25.24 | learner | 3 |
| 05:25.45 | learner | I didn't use DTRemenak, JamesTPopcorn, or JamesTPopkirk |
| 05:27.44 | JBDiGriz | KR was doing that as Popcorn, so it did lose track for a bit. |
| 05:28.10 | learner | Probably because I switch to KR |
| 05:28.14 | learner | and he to Popcorn |
| 05:32.51 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): rewrote/refactored the aggressive filter. got rid of tons of senseless bookkeeping; increased performance by a smidgen; reduced memory usage; fixed destructor; and finally properly handle words that begin with a non alphabetic. still need to readd support for suffixes and prefixes as well as remove debug printing. |
| 05:34.33 | learner | I think either MAC or DTR left things in a non-compile-committed state in the client. I'm getting an error in bzflag.cxx |
| 05:34.45 | learner | bzflag.cxx:868: no matching function for call to `ConfigFileManager::read( |
| 05:34.45 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.02 | JBDiGriz | Who was the last person to commit? |
| 05:35.04 | learner | there is a read(std::string&) which is probably what was meant |
| 05:35.21 | learner | Dunno, but my commit is my queue to sleep.. |
| 05:35.37 | JBDiGriz | cvs log bzflag.cxx | more |
| 05:37.38 | learner | the problem's with the header |
| 05:37.47 | learner | for ConfigFileManager |
| 05:38.06 | learner | and I use less :P |
| 05:38.21 | learner | yea.. mac "bit dwiddlin'" |
| 05:39.10 | learner | this is what did it: |
| 05:39.11 | learner | diff -r1.11 -r1.12 |
| 05:39.11 | learner | 36c36 |
| 05:39.12 | learner | < bool read(std::string filename); |
| 05:39.14 | learner | --- |
| 05:39.16 | learner | > bool read(std::string& filename); |
| 05:39.32 | learner | need to fix the usage in bzflag.cxx |
| 05:39.40 | learner | g'night all |
| 05:42.23 | learner | If anyone gets the urge to figure out why the word filter is using so much memory, have at that one too :) .. src/common/WordFilter.cxx:loadFromFile() |
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| 08:46.01 | bomber | moin |
| 08:56.25 | KTL_ | mmm |
| 08:57.03 | KTL_ | what exactly is the Id of a player? the index from the player in player* ? |
| 08:57.31 | KTL_ | how exactly does that array change when other players log in and out |
| 08:58.14 | KTL_ | i've a vector of Enem-objects and these represent a part of the player*-objects |
| 08:58.46 | KTL_ | and now i must find a way to update... eeej, idea:-) |
| 09:10.32 | Chestal | the id is used as index into the Player array |
| 09:10.40 | Chestal | as long as it is a 'normal' id |
| 09:11.19 | Chestal | playing.cxx has some helper functons, lookupPlayer() etc. |
| 09:15.14 | KTL_ | ServerPlayer exist too... 'll look at it latr |
| 10:27.27 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): use const string& when we only want to read |
| 10:28.23 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): count counts, so use it |
| 10:29.21 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): move #if 0 so we don't get unused var warnings |
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| 11:59.35 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): thanks chestal.. I was looking for that header; made it really use count() like I intended |
| 12:24.54 | larsl | TODO: "players can get autokicked for speeding if a theif steals their flag", BUGS: "thief gets kicked for speeding sometimes after stealing flag" |
| 12:24.58 | larsl | Is it both? |
| 12:26.35 | Chestal | I think someone copied BUGS which he sees as critical over to the TODO before releasae section |
| 12:26.58 | larsl | Yes, but those sentences don't describe the same thing. |
| 12:27.14 | larsl | In TODO the victim is kicked, in BUGS the thief is kicked. |
| 12:32.58 | Chestal | ah |
| 12:33.05 | Chestal | I guess it's only the thief who gets kicked |
| 12:33.08 | Chestal | anyway, needs more testing |
| 12:34.50 | triclops | Hey chestal, what are your thoughts on including pathfinding stuff in a bot api/lib? |
| 12:35.57 | Chestal | well, if we had a bot API we could also provide som eutility functions which sit on top of it |
| 12:36.14 | Chestal | they wouldn't belong to the core functions, but might be used by most bots |
| 12:37.19 | triclops | i think its a sensible option for increasing performance. |
| 12:38.24 | triclops | 1: scripts wouldn't have to run search algos |
| 12:38.34 | triclops | 2: collision detection can be combined |
| 12:39.05 | triclops | but i don't like forcing people to use a particular pathfinding method |
| 12:39.32 | Chestal | of course not |
| 12:39.52 | Chestal | the basic API should be as small as possible and everythign else must be implemented using that API (albeit parts might be native) |
| 12:40.48 | triclops | hmm, good point |
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| 13:29.47 | triclops | wee a thunderstorm :) |
| 14:19.31 | larsl | Does the server echo private messages back to the sender client again now? |
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| 15:57.25 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (7 files in 2 dirs): bzadmin now works with XCurses, the X11 version of PDCurses, this should make it easier to build bzadmin for Win32 |
| 16:13.14 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (2 files): Use AC_DEFINE with 3 parameters |
| 16:44.01 | TimRiker | Makefile:364: warning: overriding commands for target `bzfs' |
| 16:44.01 | TimRiker | Makefile:184: warning: ignoring old commands for target `bzfs' |
| 16:44.01 | TimRiker | Makefile:355: warning: overriding commands for target `bzfls' |
| 16:44.01 | TimRiker | Makefile:175: warning: ignoring old commands for target `bzfls' |
| 16:44.01 | TimRiker | Makefile:392: warning: overriding commands for target `bzflag' |
| 16:44.02 | TimRiker | Makefile:209: warning: ignoring old commands for target `bzflag' |
| 16:44.04 | TimRiker | Makefile:378: warning: overriding commands for target `bzadmin' |
| 16:44.06 | TimRiker | Makefile:192: warning: ignoring old commands for target `bzadmin' |
| 16:44.08 | TimRiker | what's all that about? |
| 16:44.58 | larsl | Tupone wrote new targets to avoid compiling files depending on version.h when nothing had changed. |
| 16:49.41 | brlcad | Sure... blame it on Tupone, yes who has been hacking on autoconf all morning :) |
| 16:50.21 | larsl | I'm not _blaming_ anyone, I like it. =) |
| 16:50.46 | brlcad | hehe |
| 16:51.59 | TyroneFHornigh | So lars fetishes are driving this morning's coding ;) |
| 16:52.33 | larsl | Not really - I don't have a Win32 fetish. |
| 16:52.49 | larsl | And I think that XCurses is really ugly. |
| 16:53.32 | TyroneFHornigh | I don't think autoconf runs on win32, but all curses are really ugly. We don't have to put up with character oriented tty's anymore. |
| 16:54.38 | larsl | XCurses won't work on Win32 anyway, you'd need the Win32 version of PDCurses. I just wanted XCurses support so that I could see that it actually worked with one version of PDCurses. |
| 16:57.51 | TyroneFHornigh | curses is an easy way to deal with user interface. I've used it for years because I've never written decent user interface code. Luckily, there's very little user interaction necessary in writing device drivers and protocol stacks. ;) |
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| 17:01.44 | TyroneFHornigh | Those text terminals seemed to object to your IRC connection. ;) |
| 17:04.17 | Nidhoggr | hey, larsl, how easy would it be to make bzadmin take commands from a script then exit? |
| 17:05.24 | TyroneFHornigh | hi nid, it looks like Marty is veering east away from us, and heading in your direction. |
| 17:05.42 | Nidhoggr | marty? new storm? |
| 17:06.11 | larsl | Nidhoggr: This works for me: |
| 17:06.24 | larsl | ./script | bzadmin -ui stdin me@myserver |
| 17:06.27 | Nidhoggr | oooh, yeah... thunderstorms expected on wed-thur |
| 17:06.35 | Nidhoggr | oh, cool, thanks, larsl. |
| 17:06.45 | Nidhoggr | can the script be commented? |
| 17:07.02 | larsl | What kind of script are you talking about? |
| 17:07.12 | TyroneFHornigh | It's the hurricane that just hit cabo. It will travel up the gulf and come onshore south of you. |
| 17:07.18 | larsl | I assumed it was just a shell script or Perl script or a program or something like that. |
| 17:07.24 | Nidhoggr | well, since we'll never see an external banlist file, I'm going to work on another solution. |
| 17:07.54 | larsl | Never? |
| 17:08.19 | Nidhoggr | every time I bring it up, I either get ignored or people get on my case for using bans. |
| 17:08.28 | Nidhoggr | so I figure that no one else wants it. |
| 17:08.42 | larsl | I'd like a banlist. I haven't had the time to code it yet though. |
| 17:08.53 | larsl | Does anyone in here object to the feature itself? |
| 17:08.58 | Nidhoggr | cool. I thought I was the only person. :) |
| 17:09.20 | Nidhoggr | since I have to put the bans on a single line, it's hard to remember who we banned for what. |
| 17:11.04 | Nidhoggr | I could make my own banlist and make bzadmin apply it, and grep -v ^# to remove the comments. |
| 17:11.29 | larsl | Sure. |
| 17:11.41 | Nidhoggr | until we can cover a better solution. |
| 17:12.04 | Nidhoggr | I want to remove all the bans and start from scratch, since sw bell promised to smack spoogebob for me. |
| 17:12.19 | larsl | I store bans in a 'jerks' file which I parse in the Makefile I use to start the server. =) |
| 17:12.44 | Nidhoggr | you use make to start the server? that's fun. :) |
| 17:13.46 | larsl | Yes, I use a Perl script to generate one of the maps, so I use make to be sure that the map is regenerated if the script has changed. |
| 17:14.00 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 17:15.25 | Nidhoggr | hrm. I have old bzadmin |
| 17:15.41 | Nidhoggr | is bzadmin in the 1.7 tree yet? |
| 17:15.48 | Nidhoggr | or just the 1.9 |
| 17:16.32 | TimRiker | do we really need 4 buildDate.cxx files? |
| 17:16.35 | larsl | Nidhoggr: It's not in the 1.7 tree (probably won't get there either since we are making test releases for 1.10 now), but it is in the current CVS head. |
| 17:16.43 | TimRiker | why not one in src/common or somthing? |
| 17:17.00 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: just 1.9 |
| 17:17.46 | larsl | Nidhoggr: There haven't been any large improvements since the last 1.7 version in the patch tracker, only protocol updates. |
| 17:18.02 | larsl | And minor tweaks. |
| 17:19.10 | larsl | TimRiker: Hm, good point. I don't remember if Tupone had any problems with that method, or just did it differently. |
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| 17:20.31 | Nidhoggr | cool. I'll just wait for the 1.10 final. |
| 17:20.32 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:30.45 | larsl | Should bzadmin respond to a CLIENTQUERY with "bzadmin 1.9.3.etc..." or just the same as bzflag "Version 1.9.3.etc..." ? |
| 17:32.25 | Nidhoggr | I think with bzadmin |
| 17:32.57 | larsl | Yes, that makes the most sense. |
| 17:33.23 | Nidhoggr | people sometimes don't understand how you can be on with a text only client. |
| 17:33.31 | Nidhoggr | so that would help |
| 17:34.02 | Nidhoggr | roger? |
| 17:34.05 | larsl | Hehe. =) |
| 17:34.17 | larsl | Doesn't he use a lot of the GL-dependant code in bzflag? |
| 17:34.26 | larsl | Nidhoggr: New bot. |
| 17:34.30 | Nidhoggr | ah, cool. |
| 17:34.50 | Nidhoggr | yeah... I think bzadmin with a bot that hunts down annoying players might be fun. ;) |
| 17:35.14 | brlcad | larsl.. as an intermediate solution prior ot a proper banlist, you can use the bad word filter to do just that |
| 17:35.27 | larsl | brlcad: For the IPs? |
| 17:35.27 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (bzadmin.cxx): bzadmin responds to CLIENTQUERY |
| 17:35.29 | brlcad | -filterCallsigns |
| 17:35.40 | brlcad | no, it filter's the name |
| 17:35.50 | Nidhoggr | that helps. |
| 17:36.06 | brlcad | if it finds even a partial match, it will disconnect the user |
| 17:36.29 | Nidhoggr | some people like to join with offensive names and have adsl, so they get a new ip every time they query the dhcp server. |
| 17:36.47 | Nidhoggr | I'm having that problem with "your mama" |
| 17:36.58 | Nidhoggr | nod. |
| 17:37.12 | Nidhoggr | once 1.10 is final, I'm replacing all my servers with it. |
| 17:37.15 | TimRiker | /msg rodger go kill <foo> |
| 17:37.21 | Nidhoggr | tim, yes. :) |
| 17:37.53 | brlcad | it'll only be as interesting to the limitation of the admins acutally turning on filtering.. |
| 17:37.58 | brlcad | since it is off by default |
| 17:38.06 | Nidhoggr | nod. |
| 17:38.09 | Nidhoggr | I'll be using it. |
| 17:38.35 | TimRiker | xmission will have it on for example. |
| 17:38.40 | brlcad | I'd imagine most admins would want to run with at least a filter with "core' swears in them |
| 17:39.37 | Nidhoggr | as it is, I am going to write a perl script that detects certain words and bzadmin's in to kick or ban. |
| 17:39.56 | TimRiker | heh. cool. |
| 17:39.59 | Nidhoggr | most of the stuff I do during the day is watch the logs for language. |
| 17:40.16 | Nidhoggr | oh, cool brlcad :) |
| 17:40.36 | Nidhoggr | I may upgrade my minimum bandwidth usage by a few meg. |
| 17:40.45 | Nidhoggr | and run a few more servers. |
| 17:41.01 | Nidhoggr | I get an incredible deal on colo bandwidth. |
| 17:41.43 | Nidhoggr | I get such a good deal that I can resell for a lot less than most places. :) |
| 17:41.46 | brlcad | someone needs to upload some new clients onto bzbb.. I keep seeing people connecting and getting dropped |
| 17:42.22 | larsl | Did we change the protocol? |
| 17:42.43 | brlcad | I think the one that was uploaded was pre-fix from last thursday/friday |
| 17:43.02 | brlcad | the clients are sending a version with a space, iirc |
| 17:43.19 | TyroneFHornigh | Pat was going to bump the version number and tag the tree. After that we are planning on putting up the new clients. |
| 17:43.32 | larsl | The servers did, to the list server. I didn't know anything about the clients. |
| 17:43.50 | brlcad | hrm. |
| 17:44.33 | brlcad | maybe it's something else going on altogether then.. just fishy accept/disconnects periodically |
| 17:45.04 | larsl | It's not the list server that connects to check the server? I remember reading something about that. |
| 17:45.05 | TyroneFHornigh | Do you have a log of the IP's? |
| 17:45.25 | brlcad | here is the most recent "62.146.217.250" |
| 17:45.38 | brlcad | german |
| 17:48.21 | TyroneFHornigh | server24.greatnet.de, Are there a number from the same area? |
| 17:58.42 | Nidhoggr | hrm... if I am using a script to make awk time stamp a tail -f of the logs, why does it work when I just run it, but won't work if I use logger > datestamped.log ? |
| 17:59.14 | larsl | Nidhoggr: There might be a buffer in the redirection. |
| 17:59.28 | Nidhoggr | I can let it sit for a long time, and still get nothing. |
| 17:59.28 | Chestal | it#s probably awk's input buffer |
| 17:59.33 | Nidhoggr | could be. |
| 17:59.34 | brlcad | I might have spoke too soon.. most of the recent failures are from that IP alone, the rest appear to be ECONNRESET's for the list server |
| 17:59.42 | larsl | I'm doing that, and the log lags a bit. |
| 17:59.47 | Chestal | default bufferign checks whether input is a tty, then uses line buffering, else uses block buffering |
| 17:59.53 | brlcad | larsl .. question about ./bzadmin -ui stdin |
| 18:00.00 | larsl | Yes? |
| 18:00.22 | brlcad | If I feed it input and have it terminate.. sometimes not all of the text is sent to the server |
| 18:00.36 | brlcad | is there a way to limit/prevent this? |
| 18:00.43 | larsl | OK... |
| 18:00.50 | TyroneFHornigh | Do you call fflush before termination? |
| 18:00.52 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): Mountain background is broken for small or large world |
| 18:01.02 | larsl | I think it's because the server ignores messages from a client when the client has disconnected. |
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| 18:01.24 | brlcad | it seems like it disconnects too quickly and the server drops the lost client |
| 18:01.29 | brlcad | yea.. what you said |
| 18:01.43 | Nidhoggr | yeah.. it's the buffer. |
| 18:01.44 | brlcad | perhaps a sync/fflush/pause might help |
| 18:02.05 | larsl | Maybe something like this: mycommands | (echo; sleep 3) | bzadmin -ui stdin me@myserver |
| 18:02.15 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): squelch [char] warning |
| 18:02.16 | larsl | It should be fixed in bzadmin somehow, though. |
| 18:02.17 | PatlaborTRIL | whheeee |
| 18:03.31 | TyroneFHornigh | ches, I didn't see an entry in the invisibles this week. We would have made it in with 12. ;) |
| 18:03.40 | larsl | Maybe just add a sleep() after the main loop in bzadmin. But it would be cleaner if it could check that the server had parsed all commands. |
| 18:03.43 | Chestal | TyroneFHornigh: I remember having a utlity which faked a tty for this purpose |
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| 18:04.13 | brlcad | hrm.. I was using a here-now doc.. hard to sleep on that :) |
| 18:04.41 | larsl | Are the text messages sent as TCP or UDP? |
| 18:05.01 | brlcad | larsl, as a last step, you could send yourself a private message and wait for the server to return it :) |
| 18:05.17 | Nidhoggr | would a perl script have the same buffer issues or would it write as the input comes in? |
| 18:05.40 | larsl | Yes, I thought about that too. But that would only work if we knew that the messages arrived in the same order they were sent. |
| 18:05.41 | brlcad | larsl, do you flush the buffer before exit? |
| 18:05.53 | larsl | I don't remember... |
| 18:05.57 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:06.02 | larsl | What buffer? |
| 18:06.05 | Nidhoggr | awk |
| 18:06.07 | TyroneFHornigh | It's the way the kernel works. It buffers all input/output and sends when it can. |
| 18:06.16 | Nidhoggr | ah. |
| 18:06.22 | brlcad | your network transmit buffer |
| 18:06.35 | larsl | I thought ServerLink did that automagically. |
| 18:07.20 | TimRiker | where did the touch version.h used to be? |
| 18:07.39 | larsl | TimRiker: include/Makefile.am I think. |
| 18:07.49 | TimRiker | ah yeah... |
| 18:16.01 | Spiff | Hi all. :-) |
| 18:16.25 | Nidhoggr | hi spiff |
| 18:16.35 | Spiff | Yooooooooooooooooo Nidhoggr. |
| 18:17.26 | Nidhoggr | a few other things that might help... being able to kill -1 bzfs to restart the logging. |
| 18:17.44 | Patlabor221 | *sigh* poor poor misguided lary |
| 18:18.02 | Nidhoggr | and the -d should have who private messages were sent to. |
| 18:18.06 | Patlabor221 | Nidhoggr what was spooge's last name? |
| 18:18.19 | Nidhoggr | Post |
| 18:18.25 | Nidhoggr | why? |
| 18:18.36 | Patlabor221 | knightmare is named larry too |
| 18:18.41 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 18:18.42 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 18:18.48 | Nidhoggr | is he from richardson texas? |
| 18:18.49 | Patlabor221 | Larry Wyble |
| 18:18.57 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 18:19.00 | Patlabor221 | don't know the town, but somwhere in texas |
| 18:19.25 | Patlabor221 | I think he also just tried to get into ragnarok.bakadigital.com |
| 18:19.33 | Nidhoggr | I've long suspected that SB might be an active member of the community. |
| 18:19.39 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 18:26.47 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (bzadmin.cxx): Added primitive check to bzadmin that tries to wait until all commands have been processed by the server before it quits |
| 18:26.54 | larsl | Maybe we could use a TCP Ping message. |
| 18:26.57 | larsl | Or do we have one? |
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| 18:35.41 | brlcad | hrm.. that has to be scripted.. more connection attempts from 62.146.217.250 |
| 18:36.53 | larsl | Maybe someone is running a 1.9 ladders site? |
| 18:37.36 | Patlabor221 | how would I find out if bzbb.bzflag.org is pointing to an IP or another domain? |
| 18:38.19 | Nidhoggr | nslookup |
| 18:38.21 | brlcad | nslookup? |
| 18:38.36 | Nidhoggr | it's a cname |
| 18:38.54 | TimRiker | ~nslookup bzbb.bzflag.org |
| 18:38.55 | brlcad | there's also "dig" |
| 18:39.04 | Bagheera | man, now i will never found out what happened to the IT guy....... |
| 18:39.37 | Bagheera | guess a real job took all of bzg's time.... |
| 18:40.04 | larsl | brlcad: I have that IP logged too, connecting and disconnecting. |
| 18:40.11 | Bagheera | thats it then Tim is SB........just like jekel and hyde |
| 18:40.51 | Nidhoggr | tim, if we ever needed it, you could go visit spoogebob :) |
| 18:41.12 | brlcad | Hrm.. TimRiker==KnightMare? :) |
| 18:41.31 | Patlabor221 | is that where he is? |
| 18:41.41 | Patlabor221 | isn't SB in that town? |
| 18:41.41 | TimRiker | brlcad: uh... no. ;-) |
| 18:41.44 | Nidhoggr | he's in Richardson, TX |
| 18:41.52 | Nidhoggr | sb is |
| 18:42.51 | TimRiker | /msg me his address? or check the distance to my office on mapquest.com : 7800 Banner Drive, Dallas TX |
| 18:48.44 | TimRiker | 3.23 miles driving distance from here. |
| 18:48.51 | Nidhoggr | hahahaha |
| 18:48.52 | Nidhoggr | cool :) |
| 18:49.10 | Nidhoggr | his provider has probably contacted him by now |
| 18:49.19 | Nidhoggr | he hasn't been on the server in a while. |
| 18:49.42 | TimRiker | mapquest estimates driving time of 6 minutes. sounds like they have never driven in dallas rush hour. |
| 18:50.40 | Bagheera | on the way to pappasitos......worth the trip...... |
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| 19:12.54 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (10 files in 6 dirs): date madness |
| 19:15.06 | brlcad | bah!! |
| 19:15.18 | Chestal | Tim: src/Makefile.am:1: required directory src/date does not exist |
| 19:15.22 | larsl | One disadvantage is that all programs will be relinked when only one of them have changed. |
| 19:15.39 | larsl | But we still don't have to recompile lots of files every time. |
| 19:17.07 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/src/date (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/src/date added to the repository |
| 19:17.09 | TimRiker | Chestal: ugh.. adding. |
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| 19:18.03 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/src/date (2 files): date madness |
| 19:18.15 | TimRiker | Chestal: fixed. |
| 19:18.55 | TimRiker | larsl: nod. on my somewhat normal system I get 6 seconds to do a bare make. I can live with that. |
| 19:19.41 | TyroneFHornigh | What's the time like on your abnormal system? ;) |
| 19:19.46 | TimRiker | did the win/mac touch any files in the process? |
| 19:20.00 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: about 1/3 second on my build machine. |
| 19:21.53 | Chestal | Tim: src/Makefile.am:1: required directory src/date does not exist :-) |
| 19:31.36 | TyroneFHornigh | 6 short matrix revolutions trailers, about 5MB apiece mpeg http://filtered.sensibleerection.com/entry.php/24475 |
| 19:32.04 | TimRiker | Chestal: I just commited it. do a cvs up -PdA |
| 19:33.27 | Chestal | ah, ok |
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| 19:46.15 | Chestal | hmm, I liked the build system better before |
| 19:46.28 | Chestal | it seems to relink everythign now even if there has not been a change |
| 19:47.07 | Tupone | I'm just seeing. I think it's using again touch |
| 19:47.22 | Chestal | TimRiker redid it |
| 19:47.48 | Chestal | I think he didn't liek multiple versons of that data file, but he shoudl speak for himself :-) |
| 19:48.23 | Tupone | The previous could be redone with just one version, even with a library |
| 19:48.33 | Tupone | Just we cannot use dependecy |
| 19:48.46 | Tupone | dependency for the date |
| 19:49.49 | brlcad | I liked it better before too |
| 19:49.59 | brlcad | build at link time.. |
| 19:50.17 | Tupone | Have we authorization to change a little little |
| 19:50.37 | Chestal | TimRiker: I summon thee |
| 19:51.51 | Tupone | I did not build, yet. I want to try before evoking the god |
| 19:52.26 | brlcad | I thought he was a daemon? |
| 19:52.38 | Tupone | running in background |
| 19:53.00 | TyroneFHornigh | No, he still receives input and emits output to the standard channels. |
| 19:53.01 | Tupone | OMG. I realize why they are called daemon |
| 19:53.38 | TimRiker | Chestal: sup? |
| 19:53.40 | Tupone | they run under grounf |
| 19:53.54 | Chestal | TimRiker: I don't like it that the build system now relinks everythign each time |
| 19:54.56 | TimRiker | ok.. I didn't like source files with the same name in 4 places. |
| 19:55.20 | TimRiker | bzfsDate.cxx bzflsDate.cxx ... etc? |
| 19:55.43 | Tupone | not needed. I think we can left in date directory |
| 19:55.52 | TimRiker | Tupone: explain? |
| 19:56.19 | Tupone | The problem, has you says, is to have multiple equal sources |
| 19:56.37 | TimRiker | by the time make knows that you rebuilt something in src/bzflag/ it would already have resolved all the dates for date/* |
| 19:56.38 | Tupone | we can build executable taking object in the date directory (or library) |
| 19:57.01 | Tupone | We can force the recompilation of the date library, just before the link |
| 19:57.11 | TimRiker | just before each link? |
| 19:57.30 | Tupone | just before, in the make before CXXLINK |
| 19:57.50 | Tupone | a script, or a shell command - have to see |
| 19:57.52 | brlcad | you can just ${CC} -o buildDate.o ../date/buildDate.cxx like we were before, just referring to the new file |
| 19:58.00 | TimRiker | so buildDate.cxx would get compiled 4 times? |
| 19:58.02 | brlcad | during link, that is |
| 19:58.11 | brlcad | once per link |
| 19:58.27 | TimRiker | brlcad: I guess I'm ok with that. |
| 19:58.43 | brlcad | which is technically true, and convenient if we ever threw in __TIME__ too.. |
| 19:58.57 | TimRiker | still means it's compiled 4 times, but it's a trivially small file. ;-) |
| 20:00.30 | Tupone | can we avoid .a format |
| 20:00.38 | Tupone | forget |
| 20:00.47 | TyroneFHornigh | What's the purpose of the date, outside of distribution to non-developers? |
| 20:01.05 | TimRiker | the other thing is: if we are touching a file and compiling it. why not just write the date in there in the correct format instead of using __DATE__ and the extraction function? |
| 20:02.15 | TimRiker | echo "#define BZDATE "`date +%Y%m%d`" >> bzfsDate.cxx |
| 20:02.30 | TimRiker | then add the time too if you like. |
| 20:02.30 | Tupone | instead of 4 time will write in this file a lot of times |
| 20:02.48 | TimRiker | not if it's in the CXXLINK rule |
| 20:03.33 | TimRiker | date +%Y%m%d%H$M even |
| 20:03.34 | bryjen | TyroneFHornigh: i thought it started as an attempt to get a reference point to CVS, but it was easier to get a build date. how useful build date is is debateble |
| 20:03.37 | larsl | TimRiker: Then Mac and Win will have to generate their own files or use separate __DATE__ files. |
| 20:04.07 | TimRiker | larsl: nod. does mac/win force a recompile now? |
| 20:05.09 | TyroneFHornigh | The reference point to CVS was to determine where a test build came from for a bug report. All of these issues seem to deal with developer's who don't need to know where the build came from. Let's get back to solving the primary issue. |
| 20:05.53 | larsl | If we wanted the CVS date we could parse all CVS/Entries files in the configure script. |
| 20:06.10 | TyroneFHornigh | Or we could only distribute tagged sources. |
| 20:06.16 | Chestal | or auto-update a file in the repository |
| 20:07.02 | Tupone | not tagged ... dated |
| 20:07.02 | brlcad | One reason to avoid using `date` is that __DATE__ will work whether they have `date` or not (windows, for example, who knows what else later) |
| 20:07.49 | larsl | For "official" test versions a tag is enough. |
| 20:07.56 | TyroneFHornigh | Is someone working on an OS/2 port? :) |
| 20:08.17 | Tupone | but tag should be visible from the version string. |
| 20:08.31 | larsl | Tupone: Yes, but the tag could _be_ the version. |
| 20:08.34 | Chestal | Tyrone: hmm, I guess apart from sound it should already run on OS/2, at least with XFRee |
| 20:08.42 | TyroneFHornigh | We can put it into the version string easily enough as part of the tag process. |
| 20:08.44 | larsl | CVS tag v1_9_4, version 1.9.4. |
| 20:09.42 | Tupone | s/giong/going |
| 20:09.46 | TyroneFHornigh | We then need to modify the tag part of the version whenever someone else commits to the tree. |
| 20:10.01 | TyroneFHornigh | Pat is planning on tagging the tree when he updates version.h |
| 20:10.19 | Tupone | We should manually tag, not releasing anything that is not coherent |
| 20:10.30 | larsl | Are we still doing another test release tonight? |
| 20:11.43 | Tupone | who is going to make the dirty date work |
| 20:12.49 | Tupone | nobody answer! Ok :~( I'll do then |
| 20:13.16 | TyroneFHornigh | Nobody is certain what the work really entails until we know what we want. |
| 20:13.38 | Tupone | I know we have to stop endless building. |
| 20:14.01 | brlcad | if you _really_ want to build only once and have only one file, you can do a make all in date/ as part of the link step for bzfs, bzflag, etc |
| 20:14.51 | brlcad | and perhaps the last build product would do a make clean after it links in date/ |
| 20:15.11 | larsl | How would make know which one was the last? |
| 20:15.26 | Tupone | I head a big Head Ache thniking at the consequence |
| 20:15.57 | Tupone | prefer to compile 20 times 1 line of source code, instead of thinking the whole night |
| 20:16.35 | TyroneFHornigh | make distribution is the only time to rebuild the date. normal developer makes don't need to update the version for every build. |
| 20:16.55 | brlcad | larsl, you make date/ the last product |
| 20:19.44 | Patlabor221 | brlcad, same folder as the other music "10000maniacs" |
| 20:19.50 | brlcad | wee |
| 20:23.23 | TimRiker | only way I've been able to avoid it in the past is to do one pass that compiles everything and then touches a file if anything compiled, then another pass that links. |
| 20:23.35 | TimRiker | gnu makes are not setup to handle that very well. |
| 20:24.26 | Patlabor221 | 'scons" taste the rainbow |
| 20:25.06 | brlcad | the "autogenerate-a-c-file-with-embedded-date-at-link-time" works very well for us here at work, but it is dependant upon unix facilities to generate the script |
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| 20:25.56 | TyroneFHornigh | Do you generate the file for every build, and do the developers complain about it? |
| 20:26.12 | TimRiker | and does it always relink anyway? |
| 20:28.16 | TimRiker | Tupone: is there an issue with having a "touch" line? ie: does some non-unix platform not support touch? |
| 20:28.42 | Tupone | with make, you mean? |
| 20:28.44 | TimRiker | this would have to be a platform that uses the unix makefiles, but does not have touch. |
| 20:29.26 | Tupone | I think, all platform having make have some sort of touch, but I'm not sure |
| 20:30.54 | brlcad | the file is only generated once, and thereafter merely updated |
| 20:31.09 | brlcad | nobody complains about it, it doesn't cause rebuilding or anything |
| 20:31.13 | Chestal | if we have no date or touch we can always write our own in C/C++ and ship it :-) |
| 20:31.48 | Tupone | brlcad: a sort of binary patch? |
| 20:33.22 | Tupone | or the way I implemented it |
| 20:34.53 | Tupone | Chestal: what about your problem with duplicated entry on makefile. You fixed it and committed? |
| 20:34.55 | brlcad | similar to what you did, except that there is no version.h or buildVersion.cxx -- it generates a vers.c if needed at link time, builds, and links it |
| 20:35.26 | Chestal | Tupone: no, I didn't commit |
| 20:35.27 | Tupone | Yeah. I wanned to do that way, but I thought to windozish |
| 20:35.37 | Chestal | Tupone: migh tbe gone, not sure |
| 20:36.20 | Tupone | Chestal: with what is now in CVS, agree. But looking at the previous, you should continue to have that problem |
| 20:36.30 | larsl | Can we remove acconfig.h from CVS? It is empty. |
| 20:36.45 | Tupone | Chestal: if we restore that (in some way) |
| 20:36.45 | Chestal | Tupone: it vasnished when I erase the $(EXEEXT) in Makefile.am |
| 20:36.58 | Chestal | Tupone: and it worked with both automake 1.4 and 1.7 for me then |
| 20:37.12 | Tupone | Chestal: re autogen -ing |
| 20:37.16 | Tupone | ? |
| 20:37.18 | Chestal | not sure if that is true for all platforms, though. Probably not windows |
| 20:37.43 | Tupone | Chestal: windows does not care. As I know, they are not using automake |
| 20:37.48 | Chestal | eh, yes of course |
| 20:38.01 | Chestal | don't we support cygwin? |
| 20:38.21 | larsl | I don't think so. |
| 20:38.26 | Tupone | Yeah, but as far as I know, the only supported system is mine |
| 20:39.02 | Tupone | I build straighfull, :-) |
| 20:39.23 | Tupone | ... without much effort |
| 20:39.35 | Patlabor221 | sweeet baby jesus and all the orpahns. http://www.go-l.com/monitors/grand_canyon/features/index.htm |
| 20:40.40 | captain_proton | ohhhhhhhh man |
| 20:40.51 | Patlabor221 | you need one of those don't you? |
| 20:41.15 | captain_proton | who doesn't need one of those? |
| 20:41.27 | Patlabor221 | the small 3 panel one is only 1500$ |
| 20:44.24 | captain_proton | only |
| 20:45.10 | Patlabor221 | you see the price on the large 4 panel one? |
| 20:45.50 | captain_proton | nope |
| 20:46.00 | Patlabor221 | checking |
| 20:46.05 | Patlabor221 | takes a while to load all the zeros |
| 20:46.13 | Patlabor221 | $17499.99 |
| 20:46.26 | Patlabor221 | 92" 6400x1200 |
| 20:46.27 | bryjen | good grief. i dont think my truck cost that much. |
| 20:47.48 | Patlabor221 | you could sleep in that |
| 20:48.18 | bryjen | and get a tan at the same time |
| 20:48.21 | KTL_ | djeeeezes christ what a screeeeeen |
| 20:48.35 | KTL_ | wanna wanna wanna haaave |
| 20:49.15 | Patlabor221 | that sucks, they don't have a 3 panel one that uses 1600x1200 panels |
| 20:49.57 | brlcad | tupone.. widozish?? Our system uses unix scripts |
| 20:50.31 | Tupone | what is _your_system_ ? |
| 20:51.04 | Patlabor221 | mingw /cygwin should be able to use the automake build system on windows |
| 20:51.16 | brlcad | We are a unix shop .. sgi, solaris, osx, freebsd, linux, ... |
| 20:51.53 | brlcad | We only reluctantly/recently got things working on windows |
| 20:52.17 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (2 files): Don't include xcurses.h if we're using PDCurses on Win32 |
| 20:52.22 | Patlabor221 | yeah, I don't think anyone has even tried a windows command line build, so I would nto worry bout it |
| 20:52.39 | Tupone | However, bzflag with $(EXEEXT) does not work to me |
| 20:53.25 | Tupone | without |
| 20:53.47 | Patlabor221 | it's a good recording of them |
| 20:54.49 | brlcad | yes. yes, it is. |
| 20:54.56 | larsl | Are we doing a test release tonight? I can make a RPM, but I need to go in ~1 hour. |
| 20:55.15 | Patlabor221 | how is the bug list lookin? |
| 20:55.22 | larsl | Longer, I think. |
| 20:55.25 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:55.41 | brlcad | howdy [dmp]man |
| 20:56.09 | TyroneFHornigh | learner is acting a little bizarro today. ;) |
| 20:56.27 | bryjen | today? ;) |
| 20:56.59 | TyroneFHornigh | Usually you don't say hello when someone leaves. next you'll say goodbye when someone arrives. ;) |
| 20:57.07 | BZarro | lol |
| 20:58.48 | BZarro | goodbye Mxyzptlk |
| 20:59.05 | bryjen | Would you like to buy a vowel? |
| 20:59.07 | MrMxyzptlk | I'm feeling a bit impish anyway. ;) |
| 20:59.32 | Patlabor221 | now now don't be going all silly, aperantly I just live for baning people, and you wouldn't want to get baned now would you ? :) |
| 20:59.39 | MrMxyzptlk | Now we find out who the true old age comic book fans really are. |
| 21:00.54 | bryjen | All the /nick'ing was getting out of hand last night... |
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| 21:01.36 | bryjen | nicking of nicks even ;) |
| 21:01.46 | MrMxyzptlk | Hello Hal ;) |
| 21:02.09 | IronLantern | Tony, Tony Jordan |
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| 21:05.19 | MrMxyzptlk | Sounds like a conflict of the various creations. http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ironlant.htm |
| 21:05.36 | IronLantern | ohh it was hal |
| 21:05.42 | IronLantern | I forgot what one |
| 21:05.46 | IronLantern | did you ever read those? |
| 21:05.50 | IronLantern | they were ufnny |
| 21:06.04 | IronLantern | X-patroll and spider-boy were great |
| 21:06.46 | MrMxyzptlk | They were a bit after the times I was collecting, and I tended to prefer DC anyway. I was ever the oddball. ;) |
| 21:07.06 | IronLantern | they even had Dr. StrangeFate |
| 21:07.21 | MrMxyzptlk | I do use Hal Jordan's incantation as part of my quit message occasionally. |
| 21:07.29 | IronLantern | this I know |
| 21:08.44 | MrMxyzptlk | But do people know how to get rid of an imp, or a Bizarro? |
| 21:09.36 | Patlabor221 | smack it in a book? |
| 21:09.42 | BZarro | ~botsmack |
| 21:09.43 | | sure, wanna snort some with me? |
| 21:09.44 | Patlabor221 | that works for fay |
| 21:10.42 | MrMxyzptlk | Blue Kryptonite against the Bizarro, and making Mr Mxyzptlk say his name backwards |
| 21:11.21 | MrMxyzptlk | kltpzyxm |
| 21:12.13 | Patlabor221 | so the DU/Tungesten core kenetic penetrators won't be used then? |
| 21:12.34 | TyroneFHornigh | Not today. ;) |
| 21:12.55 | Patlabor221 | they don't last for ever you knowe |
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| 21:52.49 | Tupone | finger crossin' |
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| 21:58.24 | KR | hi all |
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| 22:10.34 | sn0w_m0nkey | greetings earthlings |
| 22:13.49 | TyroneFHornigh | Hi Gordo ;) |
| 22:19.39 | sn0w_m0nkey | gordo is a pig |
| 22:19.55 | sn0w_m0nkey | right? |
| 22:20.03 | TyroneFHornigh | Gordo was the first monkey in space. |
| 22:20.12 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahhh |
| 22:20.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | i thought curious george was the first? |
| 22:21.09 | sn0w_m0nkey | but i will take a note.. |
| 22:21.43 | TyroneFHornigh | followed by the man in the yellow hat? |
| 22:21.43 | Spiff | Curious George r0x0rz. |
| 22:22.07 | sn0w_m0nkey | heh |
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| 22:27.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | spiff i am trying to view your pet pic on the forum but the bzbb is being strange |
| 22:51.55 | Noodleman | the cat in the hat 0wns curious george |
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| 23:03.13 | larsl | bzfls, bzflag, bzadmin. |
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| 23:29.26 | TyroneFHornigh | I can only get one of the invisibles this week. |
| 23:33.27 | patlabor221 | we have 32 |
| 23:33.29 | patlabor221 | soryr 3 |
| 23:33.48 | TyroneFHornigh | 32 out of 8 is doing very well. I'm impressed ;) |
| 23:34.07 | TyroneFHornigh | I'm sure you got #8. |
| 23:38.10 | Spiff | Hehehe Noodleman. :-) |
| 23:38.23 | captain_proton | ~invisibles |
| 23:38.24 | | rumour has it, invisibles is at http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/index.shtml |
| 23:38.53 | Noodleman | m00f |
| 23:43.20 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/ (5 files in 5 dirs): automake compatibility: buildDate.o now in LIBS |