| 00:00.08 | larsl | Or maybe not. |
| 00:15.11 | *** join/#bzflag Michaelh (Mouse@172-124.dynamic.visi.com) |
| 00:17.48 | PureLiquidEvil | noooooooooooooo CIA |
| 00:19.56 | Michaelh | I saw the CIA at the recruiting fair at my local U the other day..... |
| 00:20.08 | Michaelh | must be a fun place to work in these times ...... |
| 00:20.12 | PureLiquidEvil | see I knew they were watching you |
| 00:20.30 | Michaelh | my foil hat protected me though! |
| 00:30.23 | PureLiquidEvil | that's fine, makes it easyer for them to follow oyu |
| 00:34.38 | Michaelh | bleh |
| 00:43.00 | *** join/#bzflag s (yoyox@fouk.org) |
| 00:43.34 | DistilledEvil | learner I found a KMDFM CD here, I will process for you |
| 00:43.35 | Michaelh | does someone actually use that file? :) |
| 00:43.57 | larsl | ~bzfquery xmission |
| 00:44.06 | Michaelh | how sad |
| 00:44.07 | larsl | ~bzfquery ducati |
| 00:44.18 | larsl | ~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org:5155 |
| 00:44.20 | Michaelh | you suck ibot |
| 00:44.21 | DistilledEvil | heh |
| 00:44.29 | DistilledEvil | don't taunt the bot |
| 00:44.39 | Michaelh | ibot you suck |
| 00:44.44 | | :( |
| 00:44.48 | Michaelh | heh |
| 00:45.15 | Michaelh | ibot you suck well |
| 00:45.15 | | Michaelh: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:46.11 | Michaelh | so after everyone throws their huge c++ classes in BZflag, will it run faster than Java still? :) |
| 00:46.59 | DistilledEvil | huh? |
| 00:47.24 | Michaelh | will it slow down a bit .. given all of the additional classes, code, etc... |
| 00:47.36 | DistilledEvil | it's not the classes that slow down java, it's the mem access and Vmnees |
| 00:47.51 | DistilledEvil | sure, but in java, you can't NOT use a class can you? |
| 00:47.54 | Michaelh | alrighty .. forget that analgy....... |
| 00:48.16 | Michaelh | you can make everything static ......... :) |
| 00:48.27 | sure` | nite |
| 00:48.31 | Michaelh | looks funky |
| 00:48.32 | DistilledEvil | there is some speed diff between classes and not classes but with modern compilers it's not much |
| 00:48.52 | Michaelh | suppose it's more a memory usage thing then? |
| 00:49.12 | DistilledEvil | yeah it will use a bit more mem too, but these days ram is rather cheap |
| 00:49.23 | DistilledEvil | 64 megs can be asumed |
| 00:49.28 | Michaelh | ahhheiiiiiiiii the evil warning C4786: |
| 00:49.51 | DistilledEvil | *sigh* leaner musta checked in |
| 00:50.04 | Michaelh | has anyone checked the memory usage, etc.. on bzflag lately? |
| 00:50.14 | Michaelh | or do we care at all ? |
| 00:50.23 | DistilledEvil | last I checked it was using like 13 megs |
| 00:50.33 | DistilledEvil | so I wasn't too woried |
| 00:50.37 | Michaelh | probably not quite so bad relative to Q3 huh |
| 00:50.44 | DistilledEvil | and I think that was debug |
| 00:51.06 | learner | Distilled: yipee |
| 00:51.42 | Michaelh | Is that how game companies set their requirements, just build it, run it see what happens and then write out the requiremenst? |
| 00:51.56 | DistilledEvil | well you balance it |
| 00:51.56 | larsl | Probably. =) |
| 00:52.16 | DistilledEvil | you make it, see what it is, and see if the reqs are reasonable for your target |
| 00:52.24 | DistilledEvil | if they are not then you refacor |
| 00:52.39 | Michaelh | ack.. the ghost of patl is here |
| 00:52.45 | DistilledEvil | since hardware varys so much and is changing all the time, going to a hard spec is often detremental |
| 00:53.57 | learner | what'd I do? |
| 00:54.12 | DistilledEvil | ohh I dono I'm just making stuff up :) |
| 00:54.26 | DistilledEvil | and I'm have a CD for ya :) |
| 00:54.35 | learner | yipee :) |
| 00:55.39 | learner | the word filter is presently a memory pig with a steep memory usage curve based on the number of words being filtered |
| 00:55.56 | DistilledEvil | how is BZDB? |
| 00:56.11 | learner | dunno, can't be that much |
| 00:56.34 | learner | it's just a couple thousand strings |
| 00:56.40 | learner | that's nothing |
| 00:57.43 | DistilledEvil | debug 1.9.3 connected to a server seems to be doing about 29 megs |
| 00:58.04 | learner | that sounds reasonable to me |
| 00:58.41 | learner | how high does it go if you -badwords misc/multilingualSwearList.txt |
| 00:58.45 | DistilledEvil | leaner, that same server I sent you the other songs on, just now an inustrial folder, there is the nihil abum in there |
| 00:59.31 | DistilledEvil | let me do a release build and see how it does first |
| 01:00.18 | VodkaTea | should jump up by another 20mb or so for the full filter.. |
| 01:00.28 | VodkaTea | yes, that's bad.. |
| 01:00.34 | DistilledEvil | that's a lot, but I'm sure it's a large filter |
| 01:00.44 | DistilledEvil | and it's not a "on by default" thing |
| 01:00.49 | VodkaTea | right |
| 01:01.35 | DistilledEvil | tho that does seem like a lot for a 49k file |
| 01:01.47 | VodkaTea | it can be rather easily cut down by more than two-thirds, just haven't gotten around to it |
| 01:02.06 | VodkaTea | well, those 1500 or so entries get expanded to about 20000 entries |
| 01:02.44 | DistilledEvil | eww |
| 01:03.13 | VodkaTea | it's because it presently stores 1) the original word string, 2) the regular expression string, and 3) the compiled regular expression -- during runtime, it only needs the last one |
| 01:04.02 | DistilledEvil | it's interesting how many have to do specificly with my mother |
| 01:04.26 | VodkaTea | look ma', no hands |
| 01:05.19 | DistilledEvil | I hope those files came out OK, the disk has some scratches on it, I cleaned it but I dono |
| 01:07.30 | CarbonatedEvil | hmm we are larger now |
| 01:07.38 | CarbonatedEvil | bout 26-27 megs |
| 01:07.46 | CarbonatedEvil | and the exe is larger |
| 01:07.49 | CarbonatedEvil | more libs |
| 01:09.01 | CarbonatedEvil | that may be a problem on a 32 meg system, like with 98 |
| 01:10.08 | CarbonatedEvil | a 64 meg system would be able to page out what it needed and be ok |
| 01:18.51 | Michaelh | I think someone should work on the Box/Pyramid thing .............. |
| 01:18.55 | Michaelh | :) |
| 01:19.29 | Michaelh | ok.. so we can add 20 more flags .. but still .. how many objects can we display? |
| 01:20.00 | CarbonatedEvil | been looking into entirely new world types actulay |
| 01:20.02 | Michaelh | or have they put models in it? |
| 01:20.05 | CarbonatedEvil | cus the current system is kinda lame |
| 01:20.10 | CarbonatedEvil | models are not in |
| 01:20.22 | bzgirl | ~seen tupone |
| 01:20.23 | | tupone <~Tupone@ppp-217-133-255-186.cust-adsl.tiscali.it> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 4h 30m 48s ago, saying: 'I don't think it work that way'. |
| 01:20.31 | Michaelh | I'm no 3d expert myself.... just noticing the obvious |
| 01:20.55 | CarbonatedEvil | it's more then display, it's colliions, and lighting |
| 01:21.01 | Michaelh | of course being a tank is the main player, that limits things a bit |
| 01:21.12 | CarbonatedEvil | the current "glow" system is not conducive to arbitrary models |
| 01:21.14 | bzgirl | bzfs uses will use only one port now? 5154 default? |
| 01:21.19 | CarbonatedEvil | yes |
| 01:21.27 | bzgirl | what is the advantage of this? |
| 01:21.47 | CarbonatedEvil | one port to open in a firewall instaad of 2 |
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| 01:22.06 | CarbonatedEvil | and 5154 was the one that was registerd to BZ |
| 01:22.22 | Michaelh | "registered?" |
| 01:22.36 | CarbonatedEvil | yeah |
| 01:22.41 | VodkaTea | yes, that's the one |
| 01:22.43 | CarbonatedEvil | there is some port database that lists ports |
| 01:22.44 | Michaelh | whom/where? |
| 01:22.54 | CarbonatedEvil | iana or something |
| 01:22.57 | bzgirl | thats the only advantage? oh, so the -pr isnt necessary? |
| 01:23.04 | Michaelh | so we stoll 5155 from? |
| 01:23.11 | CarbonatedEvil | none |
| 01:23.11 | Michaelh | stole |
| 01:23.14 | VodkaTea | yes, 5154 is officially assigned to bzflag via iana now |
| 01:23.18 | JBDiGriz | It also means that no other program should be using that port |
| 01:23.30 | CarbonatedEvil | they are all open from 5150 to 5160 but they had 5154 down as the server port |
| 01:23.56 | Michaelh | o k |
| 01:24.12 | Michaelh | so there's like 64,000 ports right? :) |
| 01:24.23 | CarbonatedEvil | 64k yeah |
| 01:24.37 | Michaelh | I don't think we have to worry somehow |
| 01:24.47 | CarbonatedEvil | no |
| 01:25.03 | JBDiGriz | http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 01:25.08 | Michaelh | so < 1024 port is "reserved" right? |
| 01:25.19 | CarbonatedEvil | check that page |
| 01:25.42 | JBDiGriz | 5150,5151,5152 are all assigned |
| 01:25.49 | CarbonatedEvil | to us? |
| 01:25.55 | JBDiGriz | No |
| 01:26.25 | JBDiGriz | atmp 5150/tcp Ascend Tunnel Management Protocol |
| 01:26.25 | JBDiGriz | esri_sde 5151/tcp ESRI SDE Instance |
| 01:26.25 | JBDiGriz | sde-discovery 5152/tcp ESRI SDE Instance Discovery |
| 01:26.27 | Michaelh | so .. I can register my own port and stick my own email on it? |
| 01:26.35 | Michaelh | like port camping ? |
| 01:26.42 | bzgirl | :) |
| 01:27.01 | JBDiGriz | Sure if you can get the IANA to accept the registration, but they probably won't for email |
| 01:27.27 | JBDiGriz | SMTP/POP/IMAP are already registered at other ports |
| 01:27.44 | CarbonatedEvil | ahh |
| 01:28.04 | CarbonatedEvil | and it's not like a DNS or antying |
| 01:28.08 | CarbonatedEvil | it's just a default |
| 01:28.15 | Michaelh | and who/what cares what iana thinks? |
| 01:28.18 | CarbonatedEvil | I use port 8080 or 2501 all the time |
| 01:28.25 | JBDiGriz | There's also port 24 for any private email system |
| 01:28.38 | Michaelh | besides firewalls? |
| 01:28.55 | Michaelh | or is it getprotobyname? |
| 01:29.23 | JBDiGriz | The rest of the internet cares what iana thinks. The last person who decided that protocol standards were a waste of his time goes by the name of Bill Gates. Now he cares too. |
| 01:30.05 | CarbonatedEvil | tho it's NOT a hard rule |
| 01:30.10 | CarbonatedEvil | noone is gonna kill ya |
| 01:30.16 | JBDiGriz | http-alt 8080/tcp HTTP Alternate (see port 80) |
| 01:30.24 | Michaelh | so should we slap people who don't run bzflag on 5155 ? :) |
| 01:30.40 | CarbonatedEvil | only if you want to be a port nazii |
| 01:30.53 | CarbonatedEvil | be sure you shout "acutung!" when you do it |
| 01:31.23 | CarbonatedEvil | cus it is just a game |
| 01:31.57 | VodkaTea | So gm distance limiter is tunable? how so? |
| 01:32.09 | *** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@home-dhcp6-16.Colorado.EDU) |
| 01:32.13 | Michaelh | beware the port nazis.... |
| 01:33.02 | Michaelh | so will I have to eventually upgrade my C300a@450 and my TNT 1 to run bzflag? sniff |
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| 01:33.18 | CarbonatedEvil | not for this release4 |
| 01:33.47 | Michaelh | any agp card currently out there that will fit in a P2b MB ? :) |
| 01:33.50 | CarbonatedEvil | and we are under orders to still support software systems so there will probably be nothing big |
| 01:34.03 | CarbonatedEvil | does it have an AGP slot? |
| 01:34.12 | Michaelh | yeppers, but I think it is either 1 or 2x |
| 01:34.19 | CarbonatedEvil | so |
| 01:34.23 | CarbonatedEvil | any card will work |
| 01:34.30 | CarbonatedEvil | it'll just drop down to 2x |
| 01:34.34 | Michaelh | I'm not quite sure about that |
| 01:34.35 | CarbonatedEvil | get a cheap ass 2MX400 |
| 01:34.44 | CarbonatedEvil | I have a p2b |
| 01:34.50 | CarbonatedEvil | and put a GF3 in it |
| 01:35.27 | Michaelh | heh it just says AGP.. no 2x methinks |
| 01:35.52 | CarbonatedEvil | AGP is supposed to drop down to the speed of the bus |
| 01:36.01 | JBDiGriz | ~d |
| 01:36.07 | CarbonatedEvil | unless the card is total crap |
| 01:36.52 | Michaelh | the GF3 is what, a 4x card? |
| 01:37.05 | CarbonatedEvil | 1,2,4 |
| 01:37.15 | CarbonatedEvil | it woud say when it booted what it was running in |
| 01:37.18 | Michaelh | perhaps 8x isn't backwards compatible |
| 01:37.28 | CarbonatedEvil | I also had it in a mobo that had a bios 2x 4x switch |
| 01:37.44 | Michaelh | hmmm |
| 01:37.49 | CarbonatedEvil | I've put my GF FX4800 8x in a 4x mobo |
| 01:38.02 | CarbonatedEvil | like I say, get a cheap MX400 |
| 01:38.07 | CarbonatedEvil | they are like $30 |
| 01:38.17 | CarbonatedEvil | soryy 5200 |
| 01:38.20 | CarbonatedEvil | not 4800 |
| 01:38.26 | CarbonatedEvil | the 4800 is the GF 4 |
| 01:39.02 | Michaelh | like the "mad dog" series ? :) |
| 01:39.13 | CarbonatedEvil | who makes that? |
| 01:39.19 | Michaelh | mad dog ? |
| 01:39.20 | Michaelh | :) |
| 01:39.35 | CarbonatedEvil | I usualy use evga or gainward |
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| 01:40.04 | Michaelh | black and yellow label ? |
| 01:40.07 | CarbonatedEvil | it's the chip and the ram I care about, not the rest of the stuff, and those 2 companys usualy do refrence board types |
| 01:40.11 | Michaelh | heh |
| 01:40.16 | CarbonatedEvil | heh, I never see a retail box |
| 01:40.21 | CarbonatedEvil | OEM all the way |
| 01:40.38 | CarbonatedEvil | what do I need a driver disk that is 6months old for? :) |
| 01:40.57 | JBDiGriz | It makes a good frisbee ;^) |
| 01:41.03 | bryjen | coasters |
| 01:41.08 | CarbonatedEvil | I have tones of those allready |
| 01:41.25 | JBDiGriz | Yeah, we were listening to some of your tones before. |
| 01:41.50 | CarbonatedEvil | they are kewl huh? :) |
| 01:42.06 | Michaelh | mx400 is gf2 |
| 01:42.33 | CarbonatedEvil | it's a 2MX |
| 01:42.35 | CarbonatedEvil | not a full 2 |
| 01:43.17 | CarbonatedEvil | but it's plenty for what that mobo can send it |
| 01:43.20 | CarbonatedEvil | and plenty for BZ |
| 01:43.47 | Michaelh | Hard to beat 30 bucks I suppose |
| 01:44.06 | CarbonatedEvil | if you can still find them |
| 01:44.13 | CarbonatedEvil | they are 2 gens old |
| 01:44.47 | CarbonatedEvil | http://us-depot.com/evemx400frsh.html |
| 01:44.53 | CarbonatedEvil | there ya go $28 |
| 01:45.10 | Michaelh | they're sellin the rage 128 pro at compusa for 30 |
| 01:45.26 | CarbonatedEvil | and why would you want that? |
| 01:45.39 | CarbonatedEvil | it's a rage |
| 01:45.40 | Michaelh | if you think the gf2 is old |
| 01:45.51 | CarbonatedEvil | well I mean not retail |
| 01:46.03 | CarbonatedEvil | stores are so 20th centry :) |
| 01:46.28 | JBDiGriz | ~bzflist |
| 01:46.33 | CarbonatedEvil | there is no reason to buy reatail unless the sucker is cheaper then what you can find online tax |
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| 01:48.53 | JBDiGriz | you have a ways to go before you get listed on the irc stats bry. scanline is at 11 nicks, but pat and learner are at 24 and 23. start changing quickly ;^) |
| 01:49.48 | JBDiGriz | Keep going ;^) |
| 01:52.29 | VodkaTea | eep! |
| 01:52.33 | VodkaTea | pat passed me?? |
| 01:52.39 | AnhydrousSteam | I sublimed. |
| 01:52.49 | VodkaTea | devious deviant, you! |
| 01:53.38 | MostlyWater | but i condense |
| 01:55.25 | MostlyWater | ~bryjen |
| 02:03.27 | VodkaTea | careful, he'll pop |
| 02:18.27 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Finished updating bzfquery.pl to the new protocol |
| 02:18.41 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/misc (bzfquery.pl): Started updating bzfquery.pl to the new protocol |
| 02:22.44 | JBDiGriz | ~seen Bagheera |
| 02:22.44 | | bagheera <~Bagheera@pool-162-84-20-170.sal.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 5h 39m 42s ago, saying: 'give it time'. |
| 02:23.09 | JBDiGriz | I wonder if he has power back yet. |
| 02:23.30 | CarbonatedEvil | and you don't want me to pop |
| 02:23.35 | CarbonatedEvil | it's not purdy |
| 02:23.35 | VodkaTea | apparently not |
| 02:23.48 | VodkaTea | the news is saying that most of annapolis flooded pretty bad |
| 02:24.21 | JBDiGriz | though they usually call me dad. |
| 02:27.51 | JBDiGriz | When should we schedule the next test distribution? Are there any major bugs that have been fixed? |
| 02:28.33 | VodkaTea | Niet that I'm aware of |
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| 02:29.20 | JBDiGriz | Have you heard anything WinCE (That's Windows Carbonated Evil ;^) |
| 02:30.36 | CarbonatedEvil | I'd let this one go for the weekend |
| 02:30.45 | CarbonatedEvil | see what we got for bug reports on monday |
| 02:30.54 | CarbonatedEvil | fix em up and make another one then |
| 02:31.41 | VodkaTea | If anyone feels engaged to hunt down my voting booth/poll bugs have at it :) |
| 02:36.11 | *** join/#bzflag quol-mobile (~upirc@205-200-236-238.mts.net) |
| 02:36.26 | VodkaTea | you are a crazy mobile monkey quol |
| 02:36.39 | VodkaTea | still on a train? |
| 02:37.46 | quol-mobile | no am home now |
| 02:37.59 | quol-mobile | still testing it out though |
| 02:38.09 | VodkaTea | ah coo |
| 02:38.14 | quol-mobile | one finger typing sucks |
| 02:38.24 | VodkaTea | l |
| 02:38.25 | VodkaTea | o |
| 02:38.25 | VodkaTea | l |
| 02:38.35 | quol-mobile | yup |
| 02:38.50 | quol-mobile | hard to talk this way |
| 02:39.07 | quol-mobile | but cool that I can :) |
| 02:39.14 | VodkaTea | You need some speach-to-text voice recognition or something :) |
| 02:39.19 | quol-mobile | lol |
| 02:39.36 | quol-mobile | ya that woul do the trick |
| 02:40.02 | quol-mobile | ssh on my palm sucks |
| 02:40.15 | quol-mobile | actually my treo :) |
| 02:40.17 | VodkaTea | but then that probably would have come out as "ya, I'll do you for tricks" -- and that'd be bad |
| 02:40.49 | quol-mobile | yup lol |
| 02:41.25 | quol-mobile | any of you try to irc on a palm device? |
| 02:41.41 | VodkaTea | I have not |
| 02:42.33 | quol-mobile | just waitinñg for some new technology so the screen appears bigger |
| 02:43.05 | quol-mobile | like projected on glasses or something |
| 02:43.29 | quol-mobile | then that would be real cool :) |
| 02:43.34 | MostlyWater | projected on the nearest flat vertical surface |
| 02:44.00 | MostlyWater | play bz on the side of a building :) |
| 02:44.01 | quol-mobile | would get too confusing I think |
| 02:44.08 | quol-mobile | lol |
| 02:44.49 | quol-mobile | if you project it into some special glasses it could appear tobe a big screen |
| 02:45.16 | quol-mobile | anyways enough star treck talk |
| 02:45.27 | quol-mobile | I am off to bed now |
| 02:45.33 | quol-mobile | see ya |
| 02:45.34 | MostlyWater | nite Q |
| 02:45.38 | *** part/#bzflag quol-mobile (~upirc@205-200-236-238.mts.net) |
| 02:47.25 | JBDiGriz | brlcad isn't showing up as a server right now. defman has about 3 bots on larsl server which is fun to shoot up for a while |
| 02:48.08 | VodkaTea | odd.. the server is running |
| 02:48.27 | VodkaTea | brlcad.org:14242 |
| 02:48.49 | JBDiGriz | I only get two listed homelinux, and dyndns |
| 02:48.57 | VodkaTea | yea, me too |
| 02:50.05 | JBDiGriz | I can connect to brlcad though |
| 02:50.28 | JBDiGriz | No rabbit servers available right now. |
| 02:52.31 | *** join/#bzflag triclops (~triclops@203-219-160-62-nsw.tpgi.com.au) |
| 02:52.57 | VodkaTea | triclops, do you know who the lanable admin is? |
| 02:53.10 | triclops | sorry? |
| 02:53.15 | VodkaTea | I'm on a mission to determine who that is |
| 02:53.41 | triclops | so lanable is a game server? |
| 02:53.46 | VodkaTea | yes |
| 02:54.11 | triclops | sorry, no. i'm rather new to this community |
| 02:54.34 | VodkaTea | heh, no problem -- I'm just going to start prodding everyong till I find out who that is :) |
| 02:54.41 | VodkaTea | and welcome :) |
| 02:55.04 | triclops | hehe, thanks :) |
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| 03:02.11 | SGI | hi |
| 03:03.38 | SGI | no |
| 03:05.28 | SGI | is so funny |
| 03:05.41 | SGI | check in lanable |
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| 03:13.07 | *** part/#bzflag CarbonatedEvil (~JeffM@208.48.199.214) |
| 03:16.13 | SGI | he gone |
| 03:24.27 | VodkaTea | Is there a -set command on the server yet? (or any plans if not?) |
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| 03:29.57 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 03:30.15 | Patlabor221 | ohh man that long drive home, it soo killed me |
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| 03:33.57 | SGI | you drive a tank |
| 03:35.40 | Patlabor221 | no, Fast Atack Vehicle |
| 03:35.56 | SGI | attach |
| 03:36.06 | TyroneFHornigh | with vertical capabilities |
| 03:36.27 | Patlabor221 | I did modify it with a set of jump jets |
| 03:36.29 | SGI | at this time...orizontal |
| 03:41.44 | SGI | bye |
| 03:53.44 | fiberchunks | allo |
| 03:55.08 | fiberchunks | vodkatea? |
| 04:00.50 | VodkaTea | howdy |
| 04:00.57 | VodkaTea | how goes it fiberman? |
| 04:02.26 | fiberchunks | good :) I just finished setting up my new officemax workstation thingy |
| 04:02.33 | fiberchunks | i.e. a desk :\ |
| 04:02.40 | VodkaTea | ahh |
| 04:03.02 | fiberchunks | tomorrow my main box gets moved, along with all the other 'essentials' |
| 04:03.37 | fiberchunks | it's nice - it's in my dad's house (no laughing please ;) ), and it's quiet -- away from the kid, the woman and her barrage of friends |
| 04:03.43 | fiberchunks | so I can get real work done |
| 04:03.58 | VodkaTea | ha! |
| 04:04.04 | VodkaTea | an excuse to "get away" eh? :) |
| 04:04.55 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 04:05.17 | fiberchunks | but it was really getting ridiculous -- her friends here all the time, me working in the living -- it was a nightmare |
| 04:05.24 | fiberchunks | and I need my quiet |
| 04:05.25 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 04:05.34 | fiberchunks | _lots_ of quiet, for that matter |
| 04:06.16 | TyroneFHornigh | It's tough to get lots of work done with the family around. It gets better when they head off to school. |
| 04:07.27 | MostlyWater | better when its just the two of you, TyroneFDiGriz ? |
| 04:08.20 | TyroneFHornigh | Not hardly. She goes to work, and the kids go to school. Depending on the contract, I can get work done until everyone gets home. |
| 04:08.49 | fiberchunks | I love reading the BOFH on register -- it cracks me up :) |
| 04:09.00 | MostlyWater | *cough* the _two_ of _you_ |
| 04:09.00 | TyroneFHornigh | Currently I'm working on a bit of hardware which takes me onsite, so I take one of the kids to school in the morning and then work the full day there. |
| 04:09.14 | fiberchunks | yeah, TyroneFHornigh that's my current problem (cept I'm not self-employed _yet_) |
| 04:10.35 | TyroneFHornigh | Are you employed fulltime somewhere? |
| 04:10.57 | MostlyWater | just wondering if you knew your other self is still here |
| 04:11.29 | fiberchunks | yes |
| 04:11.33 | TyroneFHornigh | He's in the other room working on the desktop. I'm watching "The Hours" in this room. |
| 04:11.40 | fiberchunks | but I mostly work from home |
| 04:14.21 | TyroneFHornigh | I'm also boning up on c++ since I haven't done much with it lately. |
| 04:18.22 | VodkaTea | If you want examples of what not to do, just look at some of my code |
| 04:19.40 | VodkaTea | hrm.. what to name a header file that will hold some inline funcs related to string and character processing... |
| 04:19.47 | VodkaTea | any ideas? |
| 04:20.17 | VodkaTea | bzstring.h, string_util.h, stringUtils.h, ... |
| 04:21.09 | TyroneFHornigh | Isn't there already a class which does all of the string and character processing available? |
| 04:21.35 | VodkaTea | there is a string_util class in common.h that does three things |
| 04:22.35 | VodkaTea | they are vformat, format, and tokenize() |
| 04:23.31 | VodkaTea | I'm not finding/seeing any other related headers, are there any/ |
| 04:23.55 | TyroneFHornigh | I just happen to be looking at writing some string processing routines which will pull apart the Info.plist and replace VERSION with the current version info and then replace the file. |
| 04:24.19 | VodkaTea | hrm.. |
| 04:25.10 | TyroneFHornigh | It's a bit of token processing combined with rewriting. It would take me 5 minutes in c, so naturally, I'm forcing myself to do it in c++ |
| 04:25.23 | VodkaTea | well, the word filter has a bunch of routines for detecting if something is a character, number, letter, punctuation, etc as well as collections of those |
| 04:25.35 | VodkaTea | ha ha |
| 04:26.08 | VodkaTea | You know, for that particular need, I think the CoreFoundation has some routines to automatically do that.. |
| 04:26.59 | VodkaTea | the CFBundle stuff.. |
| 04:27.02 | TyroneFHornigh | That's part of my problem. I have to learn the routines. I also need the pointers to discover them. Everything in c is available via man. |
| 04:27.35 | VodkaTea | heck, I'd say do it in what you know.. but I can provide pointers for the cocoa stuff |
| 04:36.30 | VodkaTea | JBDiGriz: here's the gold.. |
| 04:36.30 | VodkaTea | http://cocoadevcentral.com/articles/000059.php |
| 04:36.49 | VodkaTea | that's a _great_ site, btw |
| 04:37.32 | TyroneFHornigh | cool, I found an apple tech note as well which I'm reading through. It's time for me to really start working on this stuff anyway, and I can't use c only because of the nonsense in version.h ;^P |
| 04:38.20 | VodkaTea | yes, that article should give you exactly what you're needing .. the only hurdle being objective c, perhaps |
| 04:38.39 | TyroneFHornigh | I can convert that to c++ without a problem. |
| 04:40.25 | VodkaTea | Er, that might be a feat -- you're making cocoa calls through the obj-c interface; there isn't a c++ equiv |
| 04:41.00 | VodkaTea | you certainly don't need to write obj-c methods, though, like they have there |
| 04:41.03 | TyroneFHornigh | Hrm, there should be CoreFoundation equivalents to the dictionary from file, and after that I'm mostly done. |
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| 04:41.30 | VodkaTea | *shrug* you may already know more than I |
| 04:41.39 | VodkaTea | I'll look forward to seeing what you have :) |
| 04:41.55 | TyroneFHornigh | I'm learning ;^) |
| 04:42.15 | VodkaTea | you can mix c++ with obj-c, you just need to name the file blah.mm |
| 04:42.40 | VodkaTea | obj-c++ |
| 04:45.48 | TyroneFHornigh | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/CoreFoundation/Conceptual/CFPropertyLists/Tasks/Saving.html |
| 04:46.03 | TyroneFHornigh | That looks pretty close to what I need. |
| 04:46.35 | VodkaTea | ah.. good ol' core foundation |
| 04:46.48 | VodkaTea | go neXt :) |
| 04:47.38 | VodkaTea | a "bit" more complex, but it'll do the trick and probably a little faster :) |
| 04:54.57 | purple_cow | yay for TRON |
| 05:32.53 | Patlabor221 | arrr |
| 05:33.52 | VodkaTea | rrra |
| 05:36.13 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj (project.pbxproj): sorted headers alphabetically, and added TextUtils.h |
| 05:36.28 | Patlabor221 | arrrrr |
| 05:39.39 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (TextUtils.h): initial text utility header that contains string and character processing facilities moved from common.h, WordFilter.h, and VotingBooth.h |
| 05:40.07 | captain_proton | ahoy, mateys |
| 05:40.22 | Patlabor221 | arrr capn' |
| 05:40.34 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (common.h): moved string_util class to TextUtils.h |
| 05:40.43 | Patlabor221 | main reactors online, arr |
| 05:41.07 | Patlabor221 | (our ship is "special") :) |
| 05:41.12 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (WordFilter.h): moved character and string processing funcs to TextUtils.h |
| 05:41.29 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:41.52 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (VotingBooth.h): moved compare_nocase() to TextUtils.h |
| 05:42.16 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (Makefile.am): added TextUtils.h |
| 05:43.21 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (DEVINFO): typos |
| 05:43.47 | captain_proton | http://bash.org/?144440 |
| 05:43.58 | Patlabor221 | Shiver me aluminum/carbon bonded crossmembers |
| 05:44.18 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 05:46.06 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src (9 files in 3 dirs): Get everyone in sync to use the new TextUtils.h |
| 05:46.07 | Patlabor221 | so did "nanofiber" just sound cooler then "buckytube" ? |
| 05:46.20 | VodkaTea | wee.. that was fun |
| 05:46.33 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: huh? |
| 05:47.14 | Patlabor221 | everyone at work keeps telling me about these new "nano fibers" |
| 05:47.15 | Refactorizer | aieeeeee!!!! oh.. the humanity |
| 05:47.21 | Patlabor221 | and it's a freakin buckytube |
| 05:47.26 | Refactorizer | what a world, what a world.. |
| 05:47.27 | Patlabor221 | arrr |
| 05:47.43 | captain_proton | w00t, up to 11% full |
| 05:47.56 | Patlabor221 | did you get the URL info I sent you? |
| 05:47.59 | Refactorizer | sounds like someone needs some more pr0n |
| 05:48.15 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: it was all music, which isn't really what we're looking for at the moment |
| 05:48.28 | Patlabor221 | and Refactorizer did you get that kmfdm album |
| 05:48.35 | Patlabor221 | there is a 'Movies" folder |
| 05:48.38 | Patlabor221 | but it's very small yes |
| 05:48.45 | Refactorizer | oh, indeed I did good sir -- listening to it right now :) |
| 05:48.51 | captain_proton | i will look again |
| 05:48.51 | Patlabor221 | ahh good |
| 05:49.01 | captain_proton | right now i'm transferring dr who off of CD |
| 05:49.05 | Refactorizer | it's what has me in code-monkey mode |
| 05:49.31 | Refactorizer | can't groove to the code in emacs without some good tunes |
| 05:50.14 | Patlabor221 | http://darkmoor.bakadigital.com/darkmoor-noshare/movie |
| 05:50.27 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: found it already |
| 05:50.32 | captain_proton | i'll probably download FLCL tonight |
| 05:50.55 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 05:50.59 | Patlabor221 | it's "odd" |
| 05:51.04 | Patlabor221 | but it's subs so you'll be cool :) |
| 05:51.50 | Patlabor221 | and watch the blood gulch stuff :) |
| 05:51.59 | captain_proton | i |
| 05:52.03 | captain_proton | i've heard good things about it |
| 05:52.14 | Patlabor221 | they make fun of the "Developers developers, developers" thing in PSA4 |
| 05:52.50 | captain_proton | ooh and you have zim |
| 05:52.51 | captain_proton | excellent |
| 05:53.09 | Patlabor221 | "Simmons, your like an illegitimate son to me" |
| 05:53.17 | Patlabor221 | heh those are right from navi |
| 05:53.22 | Patlabor221 | via england at the time |
| 05:53.28 | captain_proton | well, good |
| 05:53.33 | captain_proton | because navi doesn't have them anymore |
| 05:53.51 | captain_proton | w00t |
| 05:53.54 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 05:54.02 | Patlabor221 | "distributed backups" |
| 05:54.26 | captain_proton | one of the bestest original doctor episodes there is =) |
| 05:54.48 | captain_proton | hmm, those can't be from navi |
| 05:54.55 | captain_proton | since we had a different naming scheme |
| 05:55.06 | Patlabor221 | dinah may have renamed them |
| 05:55.10 | Patlabor221 | or they may have been older |
| 05:55.20 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/ela_ella.mp3 |
| 05:55.29 | Patlabor221 | I got them from her, she was geting them from scanline IIRC |
| 05:55.42 | Patlabor221 | 404 and forboden |
| 05:57.03 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:57.17 | captain_proton | try now |
| 05:59.11 | Patlabor221 | es bueno |
| 06:10.40 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (README): update readme ver to coincide with upcoming release |
| 06:11.40 | TyroneFHornigh | I decided to just write it as if it's c for a first pass. That's gone quickly and it's working. |
| 06:13.00 | Refactorizer | coo ;) |
| 06:13.04 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj (project.pbxproj): reorganized all of the groups and files to at least make them consistent and alphabetically easier to navigate |
| 06:13.50 | TyroneFHornigh | Would you like to see some really ugly c++ based on c? ;^) |
| 06:13.59 | Refactorizer | of course :) |
| 06:14.19 | TyroneFHornigh | hang on, i'll put it somewhere |
| 06:16.15 | TyroneFHornigh | Try http://www.systemagic.com/mkplist.cxx |
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| 11:43.29 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/ (8 files in 4 dirs): build Date is regenerate only during building, if. Making a stop to endless compiling. Yes, could be done better |
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| 11:53.54 | larsl | bzadmin.o(.gnu.linkonce.t._Z12getBuildDatev+0x41): In function `getBuildDate()': |
| 11:54.00 | larsl | /usr/include/c++/3.2.2/bits/stl_tree.h:849: undefined reference to `buildDate' |
| 11:54.17 | Tupone | larsl: sry |
| 11:54.31 | Tupone | just I fixed bsfs, bzfls, bzflag |
| 11:54.42 | Tupone | look at Makefile.am in one of the dir |
| 11:54.45 | larsl | OK. |
| 11:55.06 | Tupone | and copy buildDate.cc. They are all equal |
| 11:55.13 | larsl | Why is the file extension .cc? |
| 11:56.03 | Tupone | Just for easy. I'm compiling with gcc, so I guess by the extension it understand which compiler has to use |
| 11:56.37 | Tupone | I wrote "could be done better" :-0 |
| 11:58.46 | larsl | As long as I don't have to rebuild 10 files every time I type 'make', I'm happy. =) |
| 11:59.10 | Tupone | Its all ok now? |
| 11:59.41 | larsl | Testing make. |
| 12:01.28 | Tupone | now we have to say to windozish, and MACish |
| 12:02.20 | larsl | It builds... |
| 12:02.31 | larsl | and it doesn't rebuild a lot of files when I remake. |
| 12:03.09 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (2 files): Changed bzadmin to use buildDate.cc |
| 12:03.19 | Tupone | Was my fear when Tim was asking to put build version. But it's done now. |
| 12:03.42 | Tupone | I'm gong for lunch, bye |
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| 12:16.58 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (2 files): Build bzadmin by default since it seems to work on most UNIX platforms, use --disable-bzadmin if you don't want it |
| 12:17.42 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): Whitespace fix |
| 12:20.50 | mmu_man | autogen.sh, ... |
| 12:22.24 | mmu_man | ../bzflag/configure --prefix=/boot/home/config --enable-debug |
| 12:22.44 | mmu_man | what did they invent to break the BeOS build this time ? :) |
| 12:23.37 | mmu_man | checking for artificial intelligence for robots... warning: not found |
| 12:23.37 | mmu_man | ? |
| 12:24.10 | mmu_man | hmm, let's hope it won't touch X11 stuff |
| 12:33.17 | mmu_man | make |
| 12:41.48 | KTL_ | i've a problem with showing a path in the radarrenderer |
| 12:42.15 | KTL_ | the renderPath function exists in the class Beast defined in BotResources.h |
| 12:42.35 | KTL_ | and in playing.cxx: Beast* beast; |
| 12:43.04 | KTL_ | in the RadarRenderer i want to get beast, therefore: extern Beast * beast; |
| 12:43.19 | KTL_ | but the compilers says "incomplete type" |
| 12:43.44 | KTL_ | i think he doesn't know what Beast can be, so i include BotResources.h in RadarRenderer |
| 12:44.01 | larsl | mmu_man: That's not a check, Tim added that because he thought that the bots were to stupid. =) |
| 12:44.07 | KTL_ | then the linker complains: every function of Botresources has a multiple definition |
| 12:44.35 | mmu_man | larsl yeah, I saw it was a joke |
| 12:46.42 | mmu_man | hmm |
| 12:46.43 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.43 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.08 | mmu_man | weird, it's in stdio.h |
| 12:47.16 | mmu_man | prolly it's #ifdefed |
| 12:48.21 | mmu_man | or is it supposed to be in a C++ header and BeOS doesn't have it ? |
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| 12:57.08 | mmu_man | cc1plus: Invalid option `-Wno-deprecated' ??? |
| 12:57.53 | mmu_man | how weird |
| 12:57.58 | mmu_man | I added this option on purpose |
| 12:58.05 | mmu_man | wtf gcc doesn't like it now ? |
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| 14:00.49 | mmu_man | wtf ?? |
| 14:00.58 | mmu_man | I change something in src/geometry/Makefile |
| 14:01.13 | mmu_man | and this weird build system recompiles src/net/Ping |
| 14:01.15 | mmu_man | !? |
| 14:05.44 | Tupone | mmu_man: should not be anymore if you update |
| 14:06.18 | Tupone | mmu_man: Makefile ??? Makefile.am |
| 14:06.26 | mmu_man | Tupone Makefile |
| 14:06.34 | mmu_man | just hacking around |
| 14:06.48 | mmu_man | trying to get it built again under BeOS |
| 14:07.34 | Tupone | there was a weird dependence to have the build date. This morning I remove. If you take the new src, making should be straight |
| 14:08.30 | mmu_man | well, I use anon cvs, so maybe it's not propagated |
| 14:08.42 | mmu_man | is SF still broken ? |
| 14:08.55 | Tupone | It should be outdate by 1/2/3 days |
| 14:09.16 | mmu_man | yeah |
| 14:09.18 | mmu_man | at least |
| 14:09.18 | Tupone | for your local convenience, just remove a touch version.h in include/Makefiòle |
| 14:09.28 | mmu_man | thx |
| 14:10.54 | mmu_man | now, I have 2 gccs, maybe I'll get one of them not to fail |
| 14:12.54 | Tupone | mmu_man: why do not try to get http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/bzflag-2003-09-20-05.44.40.tar.gz |
| 14:13.18 | Tupone | I think this is a snapshot of cvs |
| 14:14.00 | mmu_man | well as ong as it's in a buildable state I don't care about updateness |
| 14:14.07 | mmu_man | just want to make sure it's still compiling here |
| 14:34.03 | Chestal | I have duplicete entries for targets in bzfs and bzflag in the respective Makefiles |
| 14:34.16 | Tupone | what do you mean? |
| 14:34.29 | Tupone | have updated include dir |
| 14:35.24 | Tupone | I introduced a buildDate public definition |
| 14:35.45 | Tupone | its used in version .h (extern) and generated during build |
| 14:36.19 | Tupone | I updated Makefile.am in bzfs and bzflag and bzfls to generate this symbol |
| 14:37.36 | Tupone | automake version? |
| 14:38.04 | Chestal | 1.4-p6 |
| 14:38.08 | Tupone | oIC |
| 14:38.28 | Tupone | I make this morning, and crossed the finger |
| 14:38.36 | Chestal | there's one with bzflag: |
| 14:38.47 | Chestal | and one with bzflag$(EXEEXT): |
| 14:39.28 | Tupone | I put one of them in Makefile.am. I saw that automake was lefting only mine, so ... that |
| 14:40.12 | Tupone | the other way is to redefine the CXXLINK macro. but I'm not at home so I cannot do now |
| 14:40.30 | Chestal | the bzflag$(EXEEXT) in Makefile.am is new |
| 14:41.01 | Tupone | yeah. that is the one that I put on Makefile.am |
| 14:41.37 | Tupone | You gt what I had done? |
| 14:42.05 | Chestal | no |
| 14:42.36 | Tupone | In the rules for generating bzflag I add the compilation of the buildDate.cc |
| 14:42.45 | Chestal | 1.4 seems to be happy when $(EXEEXT) is removed, checking... |
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| 14:44.49 | Tupone | I suppose we'll get problem now with 1.7 if removing the $(EXEEXT) :-( |
| 14:45.33 | Chestal | I am clueless about automake |
| 14:45.59 | Tupone | understand now the fixes. Just to avoid endless compilation |
| 14:46.16 | Chestal | so, builddate is determined on ./configure? |
| 14:46.25 | Tupone | INo. during the build |
| 14:46.38 | Tupone | its make just after the link of bzflag |
| 14:46.47 | Tupone | s/after/before/ |
| 14:46.48 | Chestal | _after_ the linking? |
| 14:46.51 | Chestal | ah |
| 14:47.18 | Chestal | hmm |
| 14:47.37 | Tupone | now I suppose the soultion should be changing CXXLINK to (compile buildDate and link) |
| 14:48.50 | Tupone | I can do that this night if nobody will do that for me |
| 14:50.05 | Chestal | heh, I foudn a bug in automake: |
| 14:50.13 | Chestal | >automake -version |
| 14:50.14 | Chestal | automake: unrecognized option `-ersion' |
| 14:50.23 | Tupone | perhaps --version |
| 14:50.26 | Chestal | yes |
| 14:50.31 | Chestal | but the erromessage is broken |
| 14:50.50 | Tupone | why? you can add a lot of option after a dash |
| 14:51.02 | Chestal | it sais -ersion, the 'v' is missing |
| 14:51.22 | Tupone | It recognize the v and says, the other option are wrong |
| 14:51.37 | Chestal | hmm |
| 14:51.39 | Tupone | it does not expect a dash each option |
| 14:52.08 | Chestal | but not all of the characters are invalid options |
| 14:52.27 | Chestal | and they seem to ave read too much m4, notice the backtick introducing the string? |
| 14:52.50 | Chestal | hmm, vsprintf? |
| 14:52.53 | Tupone | Not on linux now, so I cannot see |
| 14:53.13 | Tupone | Yea IC |
| 14:53.42 | Tupone | your build is ok now? |
| 14:54.02 | Chestal | no |
| 14:54.11 | Chestal | barf on vsprintf |
| 14:54.33 | Tupone | I didn't add any |
| 14:54.40 | Chestal | must hzave been learner |
| 14:55.12 | Tupone | He's sleeping. I generate just 3 hours ago |
| 14:55.28 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/include (TextUtils.h): g++ 2.95 need <stdio.h> for vsprintf |
| 14:56.13 | Tupone | See You Later, bye |
| 14:56.13 | mmu_man | so |
| 14:56.14 | Chestal | bye Tupone |
| 14:56.14 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-217-133-162-189.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 14:56.14 | mmu_man | got it compiled again |
| 14:56.14 | mmu_man | but still crashprone |
| 14:56.14 | mmu_man | gtg |
| 15:18.41 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchu1ks (~mike@237.14.252.64.snet.net) |
| 15:23.48 | *** join/#bzflag larsl (~LarsL@mat07.nada.kth.se) |
| 15:27.59 | *** join/#bzflag KTL (~KTL@scotty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) |
| 15:52.04 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (ShotStrategy.cxx): whitespace |
| 15:52.37 | *** join/#bzflag MostlyWater (bryjen@ky-owensboro1a-242.owboky.adelphia.net) |
| 15:54.33 | Chestal | hmm, my 1.9 server does not show in the server list |
| 15:55.33 | bryjen | no brlcad either |
| 15:56.02 | bryjen | what port are you using Chestal ? |
| 15:56.21 | Chestal | 59155 |
| 16:00.50 | *** join/#bzflag Spiff (~Spiff@12-223-213-142.client.insightbb.com) |
| 16:01.25 | Spiff | Alright! :-D |
| 16:01.38 | Spiff | Spiffy's now on the net...... twice. ;-) |
| 16:04.34 | Chestal | hmm, bzflag crashed |
| 16:05.06 | bryjen | I thought patlabor had fixed the teamkill after teamswitch thing |
| 16:05.11 | Chestal | bryjen: no, it's not fixed at all. Only a small first step has been done to fix it |
| 16:05.20 | Chestal | at least I have seen no code at all to fix it |
| 16:05.48 | bryjen | ah. that's what i get for looking at commit messages and not the actual code |
| 16:07.07 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): high speed kick |
| 16:07.23 | bryjen | still only larsl's server in the list |
| 16:10.28 | bryjen | Chestal: you wouldn't happen to know who admins www.lanable.de ? http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?p=11840#11840 |
| 16:10.38 | Chestal | nope |
| 16:11.19 | bryjen | not that I expect all germans to know each other. You'd probly have a better chance reading their web pages than me tho :) |
| 16:11.47 | bzgirl | why is everoyne asking that? who the admin there is? |
| 16:12.29 | bryjen | hehe @ bzgirl. now you've asked too. |
| 16:12.41 | bzgirl | heh |
| 16:12.45 | bzgirl | not what i meant |
| 16:12.54 | bryjen | check out the bzbb link |
| 16:13.19 | bzgirl | ahh |
| 16:13.23 | bzgirl | nice |
| 16:14.29 | Spiff | Yep. And we all know who it is. :-) |
| 16:14.48 | bzgirl | who? |
| 16:14.50 | Spiff | Seems like someone has a little too much time on their hands. |
| 16:15.04 | Spiff | meismyname.... |
| 16:15.06 | Spiff | Aka... |
| 16:15.14 | Spiff | KnightMare. |
| 16:16.06 | Spiff | He's been popping in and out with those callsigns quite a bit. Sorta reminds me of a slightly smarter spoogebob. |
| 16:25.09 | learner | Gee, I thought I would have caused more trouble than that will all the commits from last night.. |
| 16:29.06 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@adsl-63-204-118-194.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 16:30.31 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-173-104-133.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 16:30.32 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 16:30.49 | bzgirl | hi patty |
| 16:31.40 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 16:32.08 | Chestal | do you think those would be useful per default: |
| 16:32.08 | Chestal | bind 4 down "mult displayRadarRange 0.9524" |
| 16:32.09 | Chestal | bind 5 down "mult displayRadarRange 1.05" |
| 16:35.49 | *** join/#bzflag SpacemanSpiff (~Cegullah@12-223-213-142.client.insightbb.com) |
| 16:41.53 | learner | 0.9524 ?? why not 0.9525837 ?? |
| 16:42.20 | bzgirl | respawn time will be a server option in the new release? |
| 16:42.35 | Patlabor221 | time? |
| 16:42.54 | Chestal | uh, why does bzfs use 2 UDP ports? |
| 16:43.05 | bryjen | 11:43 CDT |
| 16:43.27 | Chestal | learner: my number is approx. 1/1.05 |
| 16:44.01 | Chestal | uses 59155 and 59280 |
| 16:44.05 | bzgirl | Patlabor221: default is 5 seconds to respawn |
| 16:44.10 | Chestal | does the second port have anythign to do with LAN discovery? |
| 16:44.31 | Patlabor221 | yes it does |
| 16:44.46 | Patlabor221 | could not have a user defined port for lan discovery |
| 16:45.10 | learner | ches: ah, okay .. seems like a bit small of a jump actually |
| 16:45.19 | learner | maybe 10 percent? |
| 16:45.36 | Chestal | learner: have you tried it? |
| 16:45.42 | JBDiGriz | We need to train the testers to post version numbers with bug reports. widowmaker just posted the burrow drop autokick bug that we supposedly fixed the other day. |
| 16:45.43 | learner | 5% is 20 clicks of the key to go from one to the other |
| 16:45.58 | Chestal | bzgirl: well there is _explodetime |
| 16:46.09 | Chestal | I haven't tried to change that though, not sure whether it would work well |
| 16:46.23 | bzgirl | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=1045&start=30 lars said it is going to be an option |
| 16:46.31 | Chestal | I don't remember, who worked on the LAN discovery? |
| 16:46.45 | Patlabor221 | tupone |
| 16:46.46 | *** part/#bzflag bzgirl (~orchid@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 16:47.06 | Patlabor221 | ahh the sad joy of baning people from the board |
| 16:47.16 | *** join/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 16:47.29 | JBDiGriz | I doubt you're at all sad about that particular ban. |
| 16:47.41 | SGI | hello |
| 16:47.48 | Patlabor221 | not the specific one, more sad at the fact that I have to |
| 16:48.00 | Patlabor221 | there was a hope that it would not have to come to that |
| 16:48.05 | Chestal | itkinda works |
| 16:48.22 | Patlabor221 | but no responce to any mails ( like I suspected there would ) or anything |
| 16:48.46 | JBDiGriz | In any community there are 10% of the people who are unredeemable. You are far more tolerant of them than I am. |
| 16:49.05 | SGI | ~dict ban |
| 16:49.27 | JBDiGriz | It's a deodorant used for underarms. |
| 16:49.32 | JBDiGriz | ;^) |
| 16:49.36 | learner | JB: the burrow bug is still present on my server |
| 16:49.48 | Patlabor221 | ohh I didn't want redemption, just ack that he was an idiot and it's poinless |
| 16:50.10 | JBDiGriz | He's an idiot and it's pointless. |
| 16:50.15 | learner | as is the bug that keeps my server from being listed as an available server yes it is running.. |
| 16:50.18 | bryjen | i'd've thought the BU thing was client side |
| 16:50.28 | Patlabor221 | it's /mode #chan theIP for a ban here, right? |
| 16:50.38 | JBDiGriz | I'm going to brlcad for a second to test the burrow bug. It was a client side issue. |
| 16:51.07 | learner | s/yes/yet/ |
| 16:51.12 | bryjen | there's a + - b in there somewheres |
| 16:52.10 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah |
| 16:52.58 | JBDiGriz | I can't get the burrow bug on brlcad. It looks like it is fixed in the build. Do you see the problem learner? |
| 16:53.02 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@68.111.116.228] by Patlabor221 |
| 16:54.05 | learner | Odd.. this client is supposed to be up to date |
| 16:54.14 | learner | lemme try the make builded one |
| 16:54.24 | JBDiGriz | I'm building with PB. |
| 16:54.26 | bryjen | ~spell builded |
| 16:54.28 | | possible spellings for builded: build ed build-ed balded builder bladed builders builds bolted build bailed billed birded blooded boiled budded bulled bulleted burled bilged bilked binded bulbed bulged bulked gilded wilded belted builder's bullied blinded buildup childed quilted yielded boodled Boulder billeted boded boulder bounded bylined |
| 16:54.42 | JBDiGriz | ~dict boodled |
| 16:54.57 | JBDiGriz | ~dict boodle |
| 16:55.09 | bryjen | kit-and-ka-? |
| 16:55.43 | bryjen | ~dict built |
| 16:56.17 | JBDiGriz | Now bry is starting to suck up to learner. ;^) |
| 16:59.47 | bryjen | Uh, no. |
| 17:00.01 | JBDiGriz | Take off the chaps and let us know what's happening |
| 17:00.14 | learner | You don't want me to take them off.. |
| 17:00.34 | JBDiGriz | I don't care, but bry, pat and chika might have some issues. ;^) |
| 17:00.39 | bryjen | Don't turn around either! |
| 17:02.31 | learner | hehe |
| 17:03.07 | JBDiGriz | And the bug status on brlcad is .... |
| 17:03.53 | JBDiGriz | He's having some problems opening the envelope, get him a letter opener. |
| 17:04.25 | bryjen | no sharp objects for him. he likes to poke at people |
| 17:04.25 | learner | ah.. plenty to be found |
| 17:04.38 | JBDiGriz | Not the katana, the letter opener. |
| 17:05.30 | learner | still there |
| 17:06.00 | JBDiGriz | you were autokicked when dropping bu with the latest sources, but I wasn't. That's annoying. |
| 17:06.11 | learner | and that client had a build date of today.. |
| 17:06.32 | learner | interestingly enough.. I reversed right as I dropped the flag, and ended up stuck in the pyramid |
| 17:06.51 | JBDiGriz | My client was built yesterday, I'll update again and see if something happened. |
| 17:08.32 | learner | See Lucy? I no telling lies. I swears. |
| 17:08.51 | bryjen | if you're not all the way above ground, you don't collide with the pyr? |
| 17:09.17 | learner | apparently not.. |
| 17:10.57 | Patlabor221 | ok so like I want to be legal and actualy BUY a MP3 online... and I can't even find a service that lets me do that |
| 17:11.29 | JBDiGriz | Get a mac. |
| 17:11.34 | Patlabor221 | I have a mac |
| 17:11.36 | Patlabor221 | 3 of them |
| 17:11.43 | bryjen | but, but, then they couldn't gouge you for the physical medium... |
| 17:11.47 | Patlabor221 | requires OSX |
| 17:12.20 | JBDiGriz | The build currently fails in PB. |
| 17:12.24 | SGI | ~dict scattered |
| 17:12.36 | learner | yes.. jb -- i'm fixing |
| 17:12.38 | Patlabor221 | anyone have any Jesus Jones tracks? |
| 17:12.43 | learner | it's tupones doing |
| 17:12.54 | JBDiGriz | Fix the burrow autokick while you're at it. |
| 17:13.04 | learner | burrow autokick? |
| 17:13.35 | learner | I wasn't kicked, I quit |
| 17:13.36 | JBDiGriz | The recurring bug that we fixed the other day that you just claimed wasn't fixed in the current sources. |
| 17:14.00 | learner | the bug is that I can drive through the pyramids |
| 17:14.26 | learner | are we talking about the same bug? |
| 17:14.41 | Patlabor221 | sounds like burrow needs full colisions |
| 17:14.54 | sure` | ~d |
| 17:14.55 | JBDiGriz | scroll back a couple of pages and look at the description of the bug, then you tell me. |
| 17:15.00 | sure` | hey guys |
| 17:15.08 | tea|tree | : |
| 17:15.09 | tea|tree | :D |
| 17:15.16 | Patlabor221 | ~logs |
| 17:15.17 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 17:15.36 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/misc (bzfs_conf.html): a lil easier to read; organized the filtering stuff together, and the password db stuff together |
| 17:17.13 | Spiff | Hey TeA. :-) |
| 17:17.26 | Patlabor221 | wow I did just miss that guy doing the spiff nicks yesterday didn't I? |
| 17:17.34 | learner | yep |
| 17:17.37 | bryjen | Patlabor221: yup |
| 17:17.44 | Spiff | Hehe. Methinks he won't be doing that anymore. ;-) |
| 17:17.59 | learner | arrr indeeed! |
| 17:18.01 | Patlabor221 | I would not understimate him |
| 17:18.04 | Spiff | I'm tellin' ya..... he could *be* spoogebob. Same kinda attitude. |
| 17:18.05 | JBDiGriz | We need to train the testers to post version numbers with bug reports. widowmaker just posted the burrow drop autokick bug that we supposedly fixed the other day. |
| 17:18.09 | Patlabor221 | no no, it's tomrow |
| 17:18.10 | Patlabor221 | no more arr |
| 17:18.13 | Spiff | Ummmmm... I thought pirate day was yesterday, learner. ;-) |
| 17:18.14 | learner | lol |
| 17:18.28 | JBDiGriz | We'll start all over again for those who missed the original comment. ;^) |
| 17:18.29 | bryjen | it never is tomoorw |
| 17:18.31 | learner | Methinks I did that just for you spiff |
| 17:18.35 | Patlabor221 | let him know to put the exact version in there |
| 17:18.37 | bryjen | but that was yesterday |
| 17:18.44 | Spiff | Oh gee. I'm touched. |
| 17:19.25 | bryjen | JBDiGriz: who's on first? |
| 17:19.31 | Patlabor221 | ED! |
| 17:19.52 | JBDiGriz | Who is on first. What's on second. I don't know's on third. |
| 17:21.20 | bryjen | BU bug #1 driving under pyramids. BU bug #2 is ??? |
| 17:21.48 | Patlabor221 | BU should leave a divot :) |
| 17:22.02 | bryjen | Heeeeyabbot! |
| 17:22.34 | LouCostello | That's my line. ;-) |
| 17:22.48 | *** part/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 17:23.07 | BudAbbott | So don't let him pick up your cues. ;^) |
| 17:23.26 | learner | Hrm.. the only funkyness about tupone's build fix is the ".cc" part.. |
| 17:23.33 | bryjen | what's the other bug JB ? |
| 17:23.39 | *** join/#bzflag larsl (~larsl@c213-100-62-55.swipnet.se) |
| 17:23.42 | learner | why suddenly pick "the other" suffix? |
| 17:24.14 | bryjen | ~lart learner |
| 17:24.24 | LouCostello | Ewwww. |
| 17:24.31 | learner | MMm.. tastes like chicken |
| 17:24.42 | bryjen | ~lart learner again |
| 17:24.47 | BudAbbott | It seems the bug was fixed, although widowmaker was posting about it, and learner was going on about that. |
| 17:25.21 | bryjen | and what was the bug that was fixed ? |
| 17:25.35 | learner | aha, so I am nuts but right =) |
| 17:25.46 | BudAbbott | If you drop the burrow flag while driving up against a wall, you get autokicked. |
| 17:26.09 | learner | Oh _That_ burrow bug.. sheesh -- that was fixed days ago |
| 17:26.09 | bryjen | Ahhh. Thank You. |
| 17:26.25 | BudAbbott | And widowmaker posted it this morning. |
| 17:26.25 | LouCostello | Ohhh. By the way. How come you can't adjust radar zoom's when you have Burrow? |
| 17:26.48 | learner | radar doesn't work to well when it's put underground, does it? |
| 17:26.48 | BudAbbott | You're below the ground, do you think you're radar might be affected? |
| 17:27.12 | LouCostello | Bah. That kinda sux0rz. |
| 17:27.16 | learner | thank you bryjen, even though I enjoyed it :) |
| 17:27.21 | BudAbbott | so don't use bu |
| 17:27.37 | bryjen | learner: depends on where the antenna is. if its on top of the tank, it doesn't go underground. |
| 17:27.42 | BudAbbott | I think pat and chika have some serious competition here. ;^) |
| 17:27.49 | LouCostello | I pry won't. I don't like not being able to jump. :-D |
| 17:28.12 | BudAbbott | You jump high enough when I shoot you :^D |
| 17:28.27 | bryjen | lowering the hieght of the antenna should bring in its horizon and shorten the range tho |
| 17:29.18 | learner | bryjen: nitpicky |
| 17:29.22 | LouCostello | Yes, Bud. But those instances are rather rare. ;-) |
| 17:29.59 | BudAbbott | Just remember I'm the straight man here, everyone laughs at the foolish funny guy. ;^) |
| 17:30.10 | learner | funny thing is, you're taking the side I took =) |
| 17:30.16 | LouCostello | Shhh! You shouldn't talk about learner that way! |
| 17:30.19 | LouCostello | ;-) |
| 17:30.43 | BudAbbott | I nominate bry for writing the wiki "Physics of BZFlag" ;^) |
| 17:32.08 | bryjen | Hey, it actually worked! |
| 17:32.17 | LouCostello | Heyyyyyyy Abbot!!! |
| 17:32.31 | BudAbbott | 1000110010010010100101000100101001001 |
| 17:32.52 | bryjen | Heh. I had _nothing_ to do with that one. Honest! |
| 17:33.04 | learner | JB: I'm rather baffled by why PB keeps changing whether files are relative or absolute on me |
| 17:33.30 | BudAbbott | It never changes them on me. How are you adding files to the project? |
| 17:34.01 | learner | I have to grep for "Archive" before I commit, and I usually find just one or two that have "changed themselves" |
| 17:34.33 | learner | this isn't for adding files.. it happens if I just resort a file alphabetically, for example |
| 17:34.39 | learner | and it's not all of the time |
| 17:34.53 | BudAbbott | Try completely removing your .pbxuser file. |
| 17:35.01 | learner | it'll happen to just one or two files that I might or might not have clicked on |
| 17:35.21 | learner | hrm, good idea.. maybe there's a stale pref in there |
| 17:35.36 | BudAbbott | I can look through the PB documents, but usually I have to get info to change anything about the file. |
| 17:38.19 | learner | don't bother.. i'll try deleting the user file |
| 17:39.34 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@ACA212E7.ipt.aol.com) |
| 17:40.08 | learner | Mmm.. tastes like chicken |
| 17:40.13 | ColdTurkey | so do I. leftovers. |
| 17:41.11 | ColdTurkey | hmm. |
| 17:41.15 | ColdTurkey | ~eat learner |
| 17:41.16 | | ACTION eats learner and falls over dead |
| 17:41.44 | larsl | Description for O: "Tank becomes very large. Can't fit through teleporters." |
| 17:41.56 | larsl | Wouldn't that depend on the size of the teleporter? |
| 17:42.19 | ColdTurkey | the random generated teleporters are sized based on tank size |
| 17:44.11 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj (project.pbxproj): little more organizing; added all of the new buildDate.cc files for dynamic build versioning (still need to make them rebuild at link time) |
| 17:45.56 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (Tupone@ppp-217-133-162-145.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 17:46.23 | Tupone | hugs ? |
| 17:46.41 | learner | build versioning at link time, my good sir |
| 17:46.57 | Tupone | do you like or not? |
| 17:47.07 | learner | Hrm.. |
| 17:47.20 | learner | I don't think I would have hugged you if I didn't like it :) |
| 17:47.24 | ColdTurkey | ~dict hug |
| 17:48.02 | Tupone | Seems to understand ... not very much .. I need a dictionary |
| 17:48.17 | ColdTurkey | the definition of hug seems a bit strong there |
| 17:49.08 | Tupone | however thanx for hugging me, even If I don't understand the meaning |
| 17:49.39 | bryjen | ~x en it hug |
| 17:49.47 | bryjen | grr |
| 17:50.06 | Tupone | can you rephrase? |
| 17:50.53 | Tupone | feeling friendship? |
| 17:51.27 | learner | hrm.. un abraso? |
| 17:51.46 | Tupone | Spanish? in Italian Abbraccio |
| 17:51.47 | learner | abrazo? |
| 17:52.00 | learner | ah.. knew it would be close :) |
| 17:52.40 | Tupone | thanx, I've preferred from a ... let say . bzgirl? However I appreciate |
| 17:52.41 | Chikorita | :) |
| 17:52.49 | Tupone | or Chiko |
| 17:52.53 | learner | it's a manly hug -- don't worry :) |
| 17:52.54 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 17:53.16 | Tupone | j/k |
| 17:53.18 | bryjen | eh, google didn't like that word |
| 17:53.25 | learner | you know.. one of those ones where we slap hands and slam each other on the back |
| 17:53.36 | Chikorita | lol L |
| 17:54.32 | fiberchunks | can one of you all try www.liquidfield.com please? |
| 17:54.49 | learner | welcome to ... |
| 17:55.08 | learner | shall I contact support? will they help me? |
| 17:56.21 | fiberchunks | no, and no they won't ;) |
| 17:56.32 | bryjen | google translates "abraso" to "I burn" |
| 17:57.30 | Tupone | there is "braciola" meat ... like bbq |
| 17:57.58 | Chikorita | k i tried it fiba it works |
| 17:58.32 | bryjen | (Spanish) abrasar: to burn |
| 17:58.45 | Chikorita | i saw da site an da message so i gues itz up |
| 17:59.22 | Chikorita | abraso sounds like embrace |
| 17:59.27 | Chikorita | :) |
| 18:00.01 | Tupone | He loves me? |
| 18:00.05 | Chikorita | lol |
| 18:00.05 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 18:00.13 | Chikorita | He loves u not |
| 18:00.16 | learner | ~burn bryjen |
| 18:00.17 | | ibot pours gasoline all over bryjen, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 18:00.21 | Chikorita | He luvs u? |
| 18:00.28 | Chikorita | he luvs u not ;) |
| 18:00.40 | Chikorita | lol ibot |
| 18:00.44 | learner | I was guessing the italian spelling :P |
| 18:00.59 | bryjen | brazo: arm |
| 18:01.05 | Tupone | yeah |
| 18:01.07 | learner | it's rarely the same as spanish |
| 18:01.08 | Tupone | braccio |
| 18:02.06 | Tupone | Have you been here learner? |
| 18:02.26 | Chestal | ah, hi Tupone |
| 18:02.33 | Tupone | hi chestal |
| 18:02.37 | Chestal | haven't seen the bots go through buildings today :-) |
| 18:02.47 | learner | I used to be able to hold a a discorso |
| 18:02.48 | Chestal | Tupone: did you make the LAN discovery? |
| 18:03.01 | Tupone | Yeah. No no, just fixed |
| 18:03.14 | learner | Tupone, no, I have not but I studied it for a while |
| 18:03.54 | Tupone | Are you able to talk to a signorina |
| 18:06.05 | learner | Piacere, mi chiamo Sean.. Come ti chiami? |
| 18:06.15 | Chikorita | momma mia |
| 18:06.15 | Tupone | starting good! |
| 18:06.17 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 18:06.25 | Chestal | when I start bzfs, it used two UDP ports now |
| 18:06.29 | Tupone | s/momma/mamma/ |
| 18:06.41 | Chestal | and neither is 5154 and 5154 isn't used by anything else |
| 18:07.06 | Chestal | and my server does no longer show in in the server list |
| 18:07.37 | learner | yes.. mine either |
| 18:07.53 | Tupone | If you use a default setting, the only port opened at fixed number is 5154 |
| 18:08.21 | Tupone | Have you both specified :5154 at the end of you address |
| 18:08.22 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 18:08.25 | Chestal | I use -p 59155 |
| 18:08.29 | Chestal | and 59155 is used of course |
| 18:08.31 | JBDiGriz | The PB build completes now, but it doesn't run. |
| 18:08.38 | Chestal | but I have a second UDP port bound in the ephemeral port range |
| 18:08.53 | Chestal | how is LAN discovery supposed to work with more than 1 server on a host? |
| 18:09.01 | Chikorita | bbl |
| 18:09.15 | bryjen | Chestal: on the -public arguement, did you do host:port or just host ? |
| 18:09.21 | Chestal | bryjen: with :port |
| 18:09.27 | Tupone | Tim says this case should not be handled, only 5154 server works |
| 18:09.30 | Chestal | I am not sure when the server lsit broke |
| 18:09.41 | Chestal | Tupone: hmm, ok |
| 18:09.52 | Chestal | but still then my only bzfs should bind to that port |
| 18:10.01 | Chestal | I have glanced at openBroadcast(), but not in detail |
| 18:10.01 | learner | Sei una ragazza molto bella.. Bellissima! |
| 18:10.15 | Tupone | It bind that only if it use default port |
| 18:10.18 | Chestal | does bzfls talk 1.7 and 1.9 now? |
| 18:10.37 | Chestal | Tupone: but it binds to two UDP ports, I see it :-) |
| 18:10.52 | Tupone | learner: You italian is excellent |
| 18:11.31 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 18:11.48 | learner | I wish it were better |
| 18:12.00 | Tupone | Chestal: t bind 2 port, cause I made a few line fixes. |
| 18:12.04 | learner | Most of the italian ladies I know/knew are gorgeous :) |
| 18:12.38 | Tupone | Made in Italy |
| 18:12.42 | Chestal | Tupone: ehm, I am totally confused about the ports now |
| 18:13.18 | Tupone | Chestal: Let me remember. I don't have the code now |
| 18:14.06 | Chestal | I knwo that it calls openBroadcast() to bind to a multicast UDP port |
| 18:14.23 | Chestal | and the broadcast port is a constant = 5154 |
| 18:15.42 | Tupone | One of the 2 port is used only for sending message. |
| 18:15.50 | Tupone | IIRC |
| 18:16.04 | Tupone | now, sorry lunch is waiting |
| 18:16.14 | Chestal | have a nice meal |
| 18:19.00 | bryjen | was there something about the reconnect port from 1.7.... |
| 18:20.26 | Chestal | no, apart from possible LAN discovery issues which I do not understand yet, 1.9 server should only use 1 port TCP and 1 port UDP (and same port number) |
| 18:21.27 | bryjen | but didn't 1.7 send the client a port # to reconnect to? |
| 18:21.38 | bryjen | and might bzfls still be looking for this? |
| 18:22.24 | Chestal | bzfls was using a wrong protocol to connect to 1.9 server |
| 18:22.32 | Chestal | I am not sure if someone tried to fix that lately |
| 18:23.06 | JBDiGriz | So bzflag.cxx is supposed to ignore the psn argument provided by the finder, but for some reason the comparison is now failing, and the last log entry was ..... |
| 18:24.40 | Chestal | psn argument? |
| 18:25.07 | JBDiGriz | bflag.cxx: line 665 |
| 18:25.36 | Chestal | -eyesep? |
| 18:25.44 | Chestal | ah |
| 18:25.59 | JBDiGriz | learner has gone remarkably silent, o wise sage of the TextUtils.h change |
| 18:26.35 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@ACA212E7.ipt.aol.com) |
| 18:26.44 | learner | ehm? |
| 18:26.47 | Chestal | JBD: what does it pass exactly? only '-psn'? or '-psn foo'? |
| 18:27.00 | JBDiGriz | -psnfoo |
| 18:27.08 | Chestal | so two arguments? |
| 18:27.13 | JBDiGriz | Unknown option -psn_0_3276801. |
| 18:27.19 | Chestal | it does not skip an argument there, only ignores the '-psn' strign itself |
| 18:27.22 | Chestal | ah |
| 18:27.25 | Chestal | hehe |
| 18:27.35 | Chestal | I guess learner switched back too much |
| 18:28.12 | learner | hmm? OH. hehe |
| 18:28.19 | Chestal | I'm fixing it |
| 18:28.37 | learner | see.. now if they were _all_ doing it, the problem would have never creeped in =) |
| 18:28.55 | learner | tee hee |
| 18:29.59 | JBDiGriz | If someone would check his handiwork, we wouldn't be seeing the problem either. ;^) |
| 18:30.01 | Chestal | btw., gettign rid of ${EXEEXT} seems to wotk with both automake 1.4 and 1.7 for me |
| 18:30.55 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (bzflag.cxx): make the fruit guys happy: ignore everything that _starts_ with '-psn' |
| 18:30.55 | learner | were there any other args that behaved like that? |
| 18:31.04 | learner | I've deleted the e-mail that would tell me |
| 18:31.06 | Chestal | no idea, but I wouldn't think so |
| 18:31.42 | FruitGuy1 | It's probably worthwhile to wander through the code and check it. |
| 18:32.03 | Chestal | 1.7g2 hadn't any |
| 18:32.20 | learner | it's a nasty inconsistency to have.. |
| 18:32.32 | Chestal | well, this -psn thing is a bit sick |
| 18:33.05 | Chestal | maybe it should in #ifdef |
| 18:34.45 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 18:34.47 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 18:35.06 | Chikorita | hi jaybee |
| 18:35.09 | david_v | Chikorita: hallo :) |
| 18:35.19 | david_v | match? ;) |
| 18:35.24 | Chikorita | hi davy! :D |
| 18:35.30 | Patlabor221 | you want some juice? |
| 18:35.43 | david_v | no thanks i'm fine :) |
| 18:35.49 | david_v | if you were asking me that is :) |
| 18:36.07 | Patlabor221 | well that' what the FF2k is for |
| 18:36.36 | Chikorita | i try 2 match wif asinur an daBomb jus now , buh asinur was losin 2 many packets an ducati seem very laggy |
| 18:37.02 | david_v | well i can come and play, if you have a teammate |
| 18:37.57 | Chikorita | hmm lemme c.. |
| 18:39.07 | tea|tree | good evning |
| 18:39.23 | david_v | hey tea |
| 18:39.30 | Chikorita | hi teatreeee |
| 18:39.52 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 18:41.51 | larsl | And maybe a Z parameter to the world object in the new map format. |
| 18:43.00 | larsl | Are you changing it again? |
| 18:43.11 | Patlabor221 | not yet |
| 18:43.15 | Patlabor221 | just researching |
| 18:43.16 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 18:43.27 | larsl | A world height parameter could be useful, anyway. |
| 18:43.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:44.02 | Patlabor221 | you can add one |
| 18:44.10 | Patlabor221 | will just break proto |
| 18:44.54 | larsl | I can start with just adding a roof at the default world height. |
| 18:45.12 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 18:46.01 | larsl | Hm, the server kicks me for "out of bounds" even if I'm standing still on the ground |
| 18:46.06 | larsl | with negative gravity. |
| 18:46.30 | Patlabor221 | I gotta run out, chestal's here in case mr. "meismyname" comes to exact some revenge |
| 18:46.37 | FruitGuy1 | hi chika. |
| 18:48.33 | Chikorita | my doggie used ta luv chasing tennis balls around |
| 18:49.09 | Chikorita | he was a good doggie i miss him :( |
| 18:50.48 | *** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (david@electricelf.usercloak.freenode) |
| 18:51.04 | FruitGuy1 | That's cute, use bu to get under a pyramid and then drop the flag. Then wave your treads around like a turtle because you can't do anything. I think I killed brlcad.org ;^) |
| 18:51.49 | learner | nah, it just affects you :) |
| 18:51.51 | FruitGuy1 | It's still there, just wouldn't let me reconnect immediately |
| 18:52.08 | learner | yea, it takes about 20 seconds to load and prep the word filter |
| 18:52.26 | FruitGuy1 | The drop burrow autokick bug still seems to be gone. Read that carefully before responding. |
| 18:52.34 | learner | and when you are the last player disconnecting, the server restarts |
| 18:52.51 | learner | the burrow bug is gone??! :) |
| 18:53.25 | learner | =) |
| 18:53.55 | bryjen | _The_ burrow bug? Can there be only one? |
| 18:53.59 | bryjen | :) |
| 19:01.11 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 19:07.21 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): Don't autokick everyone when gravity is nonpositive |
| 19:21.01 | bryjen | larsl: what's the version/date of the bzfs v1.9 binary your running? |
| 19:21.26 | bryjen | you seem to be the only one who get listed by the list server |
| 19:22.01 | bryjen | oh. it would probably tell me if i connected ;) |
| 19:22.22 | larsl | 1.9.3-20030920-ALPHA |
| 19:22.40 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (MAC@balt-209-163-100-212.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 19:23.01 | larsl | Built it late last night. |
| 19:24.45 | bryjen | grrrumph. mine also says 1.9.3, but i just built it, so its 20030920. |
| 19:25.08 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/misc (bzfs_conf.html): add vote stuff to conf builder |
| 19:25.09 | larsl | If I want to add an invisible box object, would the correct way to do it be to have BoxBuilding::newSceneNodeGenerator() return an ObstacleSceneNodeGenerator that won't generate any nodes? |
| 19:25.30 | bryjen | i just grabbed the latest snapshot from captain_p's web page |
| 19:26.42 | bryjen | that's build date is looking less useful. knowing when you got yours from CVS might help tracking down this bug |
| 19:27.05 | larsl | That's a bit trickier, though. |
| 19:28.09 | larsl | Are the CVS directories included in the snapshot? |
| 19:28.42 | bryjen | i think so |
| 19:29.24 | bryjen | yes. i guess he just tar's the whole thing |
| 19:33.18 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@ACA1EB37.ipt.aol.com) |
| 19:33.31 | Chikorita | :( :( |
| 19:33.55 | larsl | We could get the date for the latest CVS change by parsing all the CVS/Entries files, but that would probably take a while. |
| 19:34.24 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 19:35.45 | bryjen | hmm, the source tar that patlabor put on bakadigital is a couple of days old. I'll try that one and see if it lists |
| 19:40.37 | *** join/#bzflag Quol (~quolsimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 19:41.38 | larsl | Hm, maybe that would be a good idea for the 'CONF_DATE' variable (which is the one in the tarball and RPM names). |
| 19:43.41 | bryjen | w00t! that one works. |
| 19:43.53 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@ACA1EB37.ipt.aol.com) |
| 19:44.14 | bryjen | so the break happened somewhere after patlabor posted the alphas |
| 19:45.15 | larsl | It must have happened sometime today or last night, since my server is on the list. |
| 19:45.44 | Chikorita | fiberchunks? |
| 19:46.15 | Chikorita | :( |
| 19:46.23 | bryjen | ~seen fiberchunks |
| 19:46.23 | | fiberchunks is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 1h 50m 2s |
| 19:46.24 | Chikorita | sumtin weird iz goin on |
| 19:46.37 | bryjen | Chik ? |
| 19:46.55 | Chikorita | bryjen: yes? |
| 19:47.05 | bryjen | what's weird ? |
| 19:47.05 | Chikorita | *sigh* |
| 19:47.18 | Chikorita | i dunno :( |
| 19:47.32 | bryjen | why all the :( ? |
| 19:48.01 | Chikorita | i musta did sumtin bad cuz sumbody hates mee now an i dunt even kno wut i did i jus tried 2 help dats all an i got in trubble again instead :'( |
| 19:49.32 | bryjen | Ok |
| 19:49.45 | david_v | eh |
| 19:50.25 | bryjen | the drama on #bzflag |
| 19:52.27 | Chestal | david_v (or whoever): care for a practice match? |
| 19:52.44 | Chestal | mixed teams |
| 19:52.50 | david_v | Chestal: absolutely :) |
| 19:53.04 | Chestal | ducati 59999 please |
| 19:53.37 | david_v | just one second |
| 19:53.37 | bryjen | hmm. so what's changed in bzfs in the last ~12 hours.... |
| 19:55.05 | bryjen | ...one #include line added to bzfs.h .... |
| 19:55.55 | larsl | Isn't that lagging one day? |
| 19:56.29 | larsl | 2003-09-20 01:45: brlcad: Get everyone in sync to use the new TextUtils.h |
| 19:56.40 | bryjen | some. it has that bzfs.h changed at 14 hours ago |
| 19:59.32 | larsl | The protocol version is still 1903. |
| 19:59.44 | larsl | So it's definitely a bug somewhere. |
| 20:05.14 | larsl | bryjen: Does it work if you use -publiclist bzflist://208.186.182.172:5156/ |
| 20:05.14 | larsl | ? |
| 20:07.42 | bryjen | nope |
| 20:09.42 | bryjen | if i run the older one with 4 -d, i see the list server connect to me quickly. the newer one does not |
| 20:14.13 | larsl | Do you get a line that tells you what it sent to the list server? I get |
| 20:14.15 | larsl | ADD gnorf.lars 1.9.3.20030920-ALPHA linux-gnu BZFS1903 000000c800010000000000000000000000c800c800c800c800c800000000000000000000 yee |
| 20:14.27 | bryjen | yes |
| 20:14.37 | larsl | And for the one that actually works: |
| 20:14.44 | larsl | ADD localhost.lars:1337 1.9.3-linux-gnu-ALPHA20030919 BZFS1903 000000c800010000000000000000000000c800c800c800c800c800000000000000000000 yee |
| 20:15.23 | larsl | Between ALPHA and linux-gnu. |
| 20:16.14 | bryjen | they both print the ADD line... the list server normally connect back to verify the server is alive. that's what i'm not seeing with the newer code |
| 20:16.33 | larsl | What do your ADD line look like in the version that doesn't work? |
| 20:16.39 | larsl | s/do/does/ |
| 20:16.56 | bryjen | ADD bryjen.bzflag.org:10000 1.9.3.20030920-ALPHA linux-gnu BZFS1903 000000c800010000000000000000000000c800c800c800c800c800000000000000000000 Test |
| 20:17.34 | larsl | A space in the version string there too. |
| 20:17.50 | bryjen | and then |
| 20:18.02 | bryjen | ADD bryjen.bzflag.org:10000 1.9.3-linux-gnu-ALPHA20030920 BZFS1903 000000c800010000000000000000000000c800c800c800c800c800000000000000000000 Test Works |
| 20:18.48 | larsl | No space. |
| 20:18.53 | larsl | That must be it. |
| 20:18.55 | bryjen | hmm. no space there. move the pieces around some |
| 20:21.26 | bryjen | or maybe the bzfs.h change before that, with version.h |
| 20:21.42 | larsl | It's in version.h. |
| 20:21.56 | larsl | Someone changed the appVersion. |
| 20:22.41 | larsl | I'll commit a fix as soon as I've cleaned up some other changes that I've made. |
| 20:24.06 | larsl | In the current version, it thinks that the server uses the protocol version "linux-gnu". No wonder they aren't listed. =) |
| 20:24.26 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
| 20:26.04 | bryjen | hmm. learner moved the vers stuff from global.cxx to version.h ... |
| 20:26.35 | larsl | It's probably his fault. =) |
| 20:27.08 | bryjen | looks like TimRiker changed the assembly of pieces into appVersion |
| 20:27.37 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): No spaces in the app version, bzfls doesn't like it |
| 20:28.12 | larsl | Next snapshot should work. |
| 20:33.01 | tea|tree | Chestal |
| 20:33.37 | bryjen | ~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:59155 |
| 20:33.46 | bryjen | err |
| 20:34.18 | bryjen | tea|tree: he may be playing |
| 20:34.29 | bryjen | ~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:59999 |
| 20:35.48 | learner | I hear my name? |
| 20:36.25 | bryjen | yay! back in the list again. |
| 20:36.26 | learner | it did seem to make sense that all of the versioning was in the same place, especially since the latter depended on version.h anyways |
| 20:36.34 | bryjen | Thanks larsl |
| 20:36.51 | learner | bryjen: we just got off ducati:59999, it should be good to go again |
| 20:37.08 | bryjen | tea was looking for Chestal |
| 20:37.14 | learner | he was there too |
| 20:37.22 | learner | he should be back now |
| 20:38.11 | bryjen | learner was an initial suspect for the v1.9 list server b0rkage |
| 20:38.24 | bryjen | err, or that brlcad guy ;) |
| 20:38.25 | learner | Oh, I usually am |
| 20:38.50 | learner | I try to make as many random commits in the middle of the night as I can |
| 20:38.58 | bryjen | hehe |
| 20:39.08 | JBDiGriz | We really have to train him to doublecheck things before committing. ;^) |
| 20:39.22 | learner | Oh, but I do.. I DO :) |
| 20:39.27 | tea|tree | bryjen ^^ he played with me :) |
| 20:39.34 | tea|tree | ore against what ever |
| 20:39.47 | *** join/#bzflag Sniper50 (~Sniper50@c-448c70d5.09-28-6c756e1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 20:39.52 | bryjen | this one wasn't brlcad's fault. it was peerless leader. |
| 20:39.55 | learner | howdy sniper :) |
| 20:40.06 | Sniper50 | hi :) |
| 20:40.12 | JBDiGriz | ;^) |
| 20:40.23 | learner | Ooh. pheerless leader is trying to compete with my b0rkage.. hrm |
| 20:40.23 | tea|tree | Sniper50 !!!! :D |
| 20:40.25 | Chestal | hurrah, I"m in the list :-) |
| 20:40.29 | Chestal | hi Sniper |
| 20:40.31 | tea|tree | Chestal which one? |
| 20:40.33 | Sniper50 | Hi folks |
| 20:40.49 | learner | long time no see sniper, how goes it? |
| 20:41.04 | Chestal | tea: server list registration was broken, now it's working again |
| 20:41.07 | Sniper50 | some luck, some beers and some hangovers :P |
| 20:41.12 | Chestal | ok, off to the movies |
| 20:41.17 | Sniper50 | cu ches |
| 20:41.22 | learner | Which one? |
| 20:41.36 | Sniper50 | he allways watch por.. |
| 20:41.39 | learner | Yea, I could go for a beer right now |
| 20:41.39 | bryjen | i wouldn't've expect the list server to be parsing by spaces, i'd've figured it was fixed-width fields |
| 20:41.44 | learner | lol sniper |
| 20:41.57 | Chestal | learner: "Full Frontal" |
| 20:42.09 | Sniper50 | jk ches |
| 20:42.24 | learner | that does sound like pr0n |
| 20:42.33 | Sniper50 | i told you ;) |
| 20:43.11 | Sniper50 | learner: i havnt seen playing in a while |
| 20:43.20 | Sniper50 | yo |
| 20:43.22 | Sniper50 | you |
| 20:43.32 | learner | yea, I've been playing less coding more :/ It's a good/bad thing |
| 20:43.42 | Sniper50 | lol |
| 20:43.43 | learner | must of the people here would probably say it's a bad thing =) |
| 20:43.53 | Sniper50 | wich one?? :) |
| 20:43.59 | JBDiGriz | It's a thing. ;^) |
| 20:44.13 | david_v | good night |
| 20:44.16 | learner | the ones that complain about the changes I like to make while they are sleeping :) |
| 20:44.18 | Sniper50 | cu david |
| 20:44.23 | learner | g'night david |
| 20:44.27 | *** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 20:44.52 | Sniper50 | hehe i wish i could help i sleep 4 hours /night lot of time for coding ;) |
| 20:44.53 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~JeffM@208.48.199.214) |
| 20:44.53 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 20:45.06 | learner | pleenty of time :) |
| 20:45.19 | Sniper50 | 1 troubke, i cant code :) |
| 20:45.24 | Sniper50 | trouble |
| 20:45.26 | JBDiGriz | I can give you the URL for a c++ tutorial. You should be able to get through that tonight. |
| 20:45.45 | JBDiGriz | coding is easy. On the other hand, you also need to type ;^) |
| 20:45.58 | Sniper50 | c++ hmm datalanguage i can barley speak english |
| 20:46.08 | learner | that's no trouble.. neither can anyone else in here -- at least I know I can't :) |
| 20:46.14 | JBDiGriz | c++ isn't anything close to English. |
| 20:46.24 | Patlabor221 | spoon! |
| 20:46.32 | learner | I'm not spooning with you pat :) |
| 20:46.39 | Patlabor221 | no no |
| 20:46.47 | learner | I sleep on my stomach, thank you ;) |
| 20:46.48 | Patlabor221 | noone has ever seen "the tick" have then? |
| 20:46.49 | Sniper50 | i know i was making books in my last job, did one of c++ |
| 20:47.00 | bryjen | Patlabor221: I have |
| 20:47.16 | learner | I've seen it, but that's not ringing any bells (only seen a couple) |
| 20:47.41 | TheMadBomber | it was there battle cry |
| 20:48.39 | TheMadBomber | The man |
| 20:48.50 | TheMadBomber | cus I said: "STICK IT TO THE MAN!" |
| 20:48.55 | JBDiGriz | or maybe it's just his typing again. he's doing windows so he's really TheMaidBomber. |
| 20:48.58 | TheMadBomber | yeah baby, yeayyyyhhhh |
| 20:48.59 | learner | spork! |
| 20:49.06 | Sniper50 | lol |
| 20:49.30 | Sniper50 | How many of you is coding?? |
| 20:49.34 | larsl | Is BZDB_WORLDSIZE the width or the height of the world? |
| 20:49.41 | Patlabor221 | well enough of that |
| 20:49.42 | larsl | Or are they the same. |
| 20:49.43 | JBDiGriz | You need the lumps to give it flavor. |
| 20:49.44 | larsl | ? |
| 20:49.46 | Patlabor221 | it's both |
| 20:49.50 | larsl | OK. |
| 20:49.54 | Patlabor221 | worlds are allways square |
| 20:50.03 | Patlabor221 | it's kinda like radius to flat |
| 20:50.06 | JBDiGriz | We need hipper worlds |
| 20:50.15 | Patlabor221 | we need portals |
| 20:50.22 | Patlabor221 | and cells |
| 20:50.25 | Patlabor221 | and brushes |
| 20:50.32 | JBDiGriz | I'm in a cell most days |
| 20:50.45 | Sniper50 | we call it a prison |
| 20:50.46 | Patlabor221 | does it have a portal? |
| 20:50.59 | bryjen | Patlabor221: did you declare Chikorita an assclown ? |
| 20:51.14 | Patlabor221 | I what? |
| 20:51.15 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 20:51.18 | Patlabor221 | why would I do that? |
| 20:51.21 | JBDiGriz | That doesn't sound like pat. |
| 20:51.27 | bryjen | i donno. |
| 20:51.30 | Patlabor221 | where do you see this? |
| 20:51.41 | JBDiGriz | That sounds like our impostor friend again. |
| 20:51.42 | larsl | What's a brush? |
| 20:51.49 | bryjen | bzbb, Rebel Chikoritas rank |
| 20:51.57 | Sniper50 | larsl from sweden? |
| 20:52.01 | Patlabor221 | a concave set of bounding planes |
| 20:52.03 | larsl | Sniper50: Yes. |
| 20:52.07 | Patlabor221 | ohh that's not good |
| 20:52.37 | learner | woah, how'd that happen? |
| 20:53.03 | Patlabor221 | ohh I know |
| 20:53.07 | learner | sounds like it's time to change the password.. |
| 20:53.11 | bryjen | Plain Chikorita too |
| 20:53.28 | Patlabor221 | no it wasn't her |
| 20:53.34 | Patlabor221 | I added a new rank |
| 20:53.39 | Patlabor221 | and didn't set it to specail |
| 20:53.50 | Patlabor221 | so if you were rank 0 you got a random rank 0 |
| 20:53.55 | Patlabor221 | and it was one of them |
| 20:53.57 | Patlabor221 | it's fixed now |
| 20:54.09 | Patlabor221 | that rank is for somone "special" |
| 20:54.12 | learner | aww man |
| 20:54.13 | bryjen | eep. i wonder how many assclowns we had running around ? :) |
| 20:54.16 | learner | that sucks |
| 20:54.22 | learner | she noticed too |
| 20:54.29 | Patlabor221 | ohh tell her I'm sorry |
| 20:54.33 | Patlabor221 | it was not initentional |
| 20:54.43 | learner | I'll let her know if/when I see her |
| 20:55.31 | Patlabor221 | I sent her a PM too |
| 20:55.39 | learner | Oh, that reminds me.. chika seemed to think that the lanable admin is mr assclown himself that was causing trouble |
| 20:56.25 | bryjen | didn't he have his own server, using his name ? |
| 20:57.03 | JBDiGriz | lanable is in germany. mr assclown seems to be in Texas, home of many troublemakers, but a couple of nice players too. |
| 20:57.07 | bryjen | ~nslookup knightmare.kicks-ass.net |
| 21:01.05 | Patlabor221 | look familiar? :) |
| 21:01.13 | bryjen | sha. |
| 21:01.37 | Patlabor221 | I wonder what made him snap |
| 21:01.49 | bryjen | bad genetics ? |
| 21:02.07 | Patlabor221 | GF musta dumped him |
| 21:02.19 | Patlabor221 | or he ran 1.9 and found all his cheats don't work |
| 21:03.22 | JBDiGriz | I don't think 1.9 is going to break all of the cheats, only a couple. |
| 21:03.30 | Patlabor221 | well I posted, sent her a PM, and an e-mail, hope she reads them. |
| 21:03.52 | Patlabor221 | true, but he will still have to do some work to get the vulgar ones working |
| 21:04.00 | Patlabor221 | since we changed proto and all |
| 21:04.21 | Patlabor221 | and he'll have to edit his server if he wants to use the 1.9 codebase |
| 21:05.16 | Patlabor221 | I wonder if it would be ok to remove real lighing from a software solution |
| 21:05.27 | Patlabor221 | or at least dynamic lighting |
| 21:05.42 | JBDiGriz | If only all that energy could be harnessed to make the game better for everyone....... |
| 21:06.22 | Patlabor221 | as I told him, if he wants to make a server that lets people expirment with new ways to play and stuff, that's cool, just change his version and keep it as a branch |
| 21:06.38 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 21:07.15 | Patlabor221 | http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/images/shots/016.jpg |
| 21:07.36 | Sniper50 | ~d |
| 21:07.52 | Patlabor221 | but that ain't gonna happen in software |
| 21:08.26 | Sniper50 | bye |
| 21:08.35 | larsl | The high-jump checks get trickier when the gravity changes. |
| 21:08.39 | JBDiGriz | Spammed by a candidate for Governor now. I wonder if he really thinks that will get him votes or contributions. :( |
| 21:08.49 | bryjen | LOL @ the phrase "clown of the heiny" |
| 21:10.58 | Patlabor221 | learner I'm thinking on the grand archetecure plan, we should have provisions for difrent rendereres to be sorta like plugins |
| 21:11.23 | Patlabor221 | so we don't have to keep a single engine that supports hardware and software |
| 21:11.43 | Patlabor221 | and let each engine provide it's own config interface |
| 21:14.10 | tea|tree | Patlabor221 :D this desk thing has amazed me so much :D |
| 21:15.43 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 21:15.49 | tea|tree | lol |
| 21:16.37 | tea|tree | "The Desk" |
| 21:16.38 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 21:16.43 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 21:17.00 | tea|tree | "The mystic Desk" |
| 21:17.14 | Patlabor221 | it's mystic? |
| 21:17.29 | tea|tree | thats what i think when i look for something :D it just disapears |
| 21:24.50 | learner | Patlabor221: modularity is almost always a good thing. . I like the idea |
| 21:26.00 | larsl | Does anyone have any suggestions for changes to the high-jump check so it works with non-constant and non-negative gravity? |
| 21:26.17 | Patlabor221 | in what picture bryjen? |
| 21:26.37 | bryjen | the cleaner desk |
| 21:26.57 | Patlabor221 | it's the same picture |
| 21:27.01 | Patlabor221 | on both displays |
| 21:27.06 | bryjen | http://www.jeffm.bakadigital.com/thedesk/clean/ |
| 21:27.16 | bryjen | and then http://www.jeffm.bakadigital.com/thedesk/clean/center.html |
| 21:27.43 | bryjen | so it is. the left one is cover up in both. |
| 21:29.15 | Patlabor221 | let me see if I can find the pict |
| 21:29.19 | Patlabor221 | as it' difrent now |
| 21:31.29 | Patlabor221 | http://www.jeffm.bakadigital.com/images/InternetExplorerWallpaper.JPG |
| 21:31.58 | bryjen | i see |
| 21:33.06 | bryjen | but then, this desk is at work |
| 21:48.22 | npook | ~loool |
| 21:56.28 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 21:59.37 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (~dennis@D40A3023.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 21:59.53 | learner | heya [dmp] |
| 22:00.01 | [dmp] | heya |
| 22:02.01 | [dmp] | Got time for giving out some advise, regarding 3d stuff? |
| 22:02.06 | *** join/#bzflag brlcad (sean@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net) |
| 22:02.35 | learner | sure |
| 22:05.33 | [dmp] | I need to fire off a ray towards my lightsource to see if something blocks the light from it. But how do I find objects between those two points (object/start point and light source/end point) ? |
| 22:07.05 | learner | ? |
| 22:07.29 | learner | you do the same shoot as you do for your view frustum rays |
| 22:07.43 | learner | just shoot from your hit point on the object towards the light |
| 22:08.03 | learner | if you get an intersection point, and that point is the light, you can see it :) |
| 22:10.08 | learner | think of it as shooting a ray for a 1x1 pixel image from your object hit point towards the light, you walk the BSP just the same and test intersections for all objects along that path that you normally would |
| 22:10.56 | learner | Main difference being that visibility rays may terminate as soon as you get an intersection that is not the lightsource |
| 22:11.17 | [dmp] | Yep, got that part.. But It always find an intersection... My guess is: eg: The ray goes both ways. eg [obj2] -- [obj] ---- [light] -- [obj3] .. I would find all those intersections right? (obj,obj2,obj3) .. So I use the value found by the ray-formula to determind if they are "behind" the light source, or before (the wrong direction) my starting point? |
| 22:11.43 | learner | ah, yes |
| 22:11.57 | [dmp] | Sorry, i got some problems explaining this :-) This is a whole new area of me :-) |
| 22:12.13 | learner | you'll want to nudge your ray ever so slightly forward towards to light for starters |
| 22:12.24 | learner | usually enough to avoid floating point fuzz |
| 22:13.13 | learner | then you compute your intersections forward along your ray, if you happen to get an intersection that has a negative t you can safely ignore it since it is behind you |
| 22:14.35 | [dmp] | So 1) measure distance to light source. 2) find all intersections with positive t. 3) if a intersection got smaller t than the distance-to-light, it blocks my view. Correct? |
| 22:15.06 | learner | yep |
| 22:15.23 | learner | you can avoid #1 altogether, though |
| 22:15.38 | learner | or use it as a last ditch bounds |
| 22:16.36 | learner | by that I mean you can just gather all of your ray intersection t distances, sort them, and if the first non-negative is not the light source, you can't see it |
| 22:16.58 | larsl | If the light source is a point light the ray might not hit it. |
| 22:17.26 | larsl | Because of floating point fuzz. |
| 22:17.47 | learner | yea, that can be a problem. depends on your solver |
| 22:18.01 | learner | and your tolerance |
| 22:20.22 | [dmp] | Ah thanks. This is quite fun. I a sorta warm feeling when it draws something correct or if a bug look somewhat nice :-). |
| 22:21.26 | learner | You know.. the standard fee between raytrace implementors is that you have to share some pictures of your progress.. =) |
| 22:21.51 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 22:21.55 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 22:23.00 | [dmp] | I've been using all day to figure out shading. Im still not really sure if i should continue to attent this course. (my groupmates have abandoned me, but then im in charge :)) |
| 22:23.35 | learner | What? You can't stop now :) |
| 22:25.57 | [dmp] | Its just REALLY annoying. I get the ideas and think its really interesting. But I dont have the mathematical background. And i dont have time for reading this this year :( |
| 22:26.16 | larsl | No linear algebra? |
| 22:26.42 | [dmp] | But I comfort myself. If I ever get it to work, its will be faster than the java-implementors (most others) |
| 22:26.47 | [dmp] | Nope. |
| 22:27.12 | learner | blood, sweat, and tears... You'll be happy with yourself just to be one of the few who do it ;) |
| 22:27.29 | [dmp] | Never heard of "quadratic formula" before i started on this. |
| 22:27.30 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 22:27.35 | learner | lol |
| 22:27.36 | learner | ouch |
| 22:27.45 | [dmp] | Kinda makes it harder :-) |
| 22:27.50 | [dmp] | But i learned something :) |
| 22:27.54 | [dmp] | And i want more |
| 22:28.08 | [dmp] | perhaps i should go buy me a book, instead of using google |
| 22:28.49 | learner | you'l find many books |
| 22:29.02 | learner | some have an agenda, some are good, many are bad |
| 22:29.39 | larsl | What kind of objects is it supposed to render? |
| 22:29.47 | [dmp] | I found a page explaining the basics of Vectors and 3d stuff (not computer-related). Quite good (i think.. well i understood most of it :)) |
| 22:29.51 | [dmp] | just spheres for now |
| 22:30.17 | larsl | Once you get that working, other primitives are easy to add. Just change the equations. |
| 22:30.35 | learner | Once you get spheres, other closed primitives and quadrics are easy |
| 22:31.00 | [dmp] | okey. |
| 22:31.48 | learner | cones, cynlinders, boxes, ellipsoids, etc |
| 22:31.55 | [dmp] | Spheres-intersection works now. and some shading, so it actually looks like spheres :) |
| 22:32.06 | learner | you could probably get ellipsoids with just a couple more lines of code |
| 22:32.09 | [dmp] | stupid-girlfriend isnt impressed that i used so much time on drawing a circle :-) |
| 22:32.14 | larsl | =) |
| 22:32.26 | learner | lmao! |
| 22:32.55 | [dmp] | Actually she lol'd when i showed (proudly) that i could draw stuff on the screen. Girls..! :-) |
| 22:33.06 | CIA | 03dbw192 * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX (2 files in 2 dirs): Add auto version capability to the mac build. |
| 22:33.13 | *** join/#bzflag Michaelh (Mouse@171-95.dynamic.visi.com) |
| 22:33.15 | learner | wee |
| 22:33.38 | Michaelh | wee? |
| 22:33.47 | JBDiGriz | very small. |
| 22:34.01 | larsl | Who is dbw192? |
| 22:34.08 | learner | he's a crazy mofo |
| 22:34.20 | captain_pistachi | larsl: its JBDiGriz |
| 22:34.25 | JBDiGriz | Someone will have to go fix that again I'm sure |
| 22:37.41 | JBDiGriz | learner: you might like the plist regenerator. I decided to do my usual systems thing and really make sure that things would fail in a clean manner. ;^) |
| 22:37.55 | learner | =) |
| 22:43.28 | MrApathyCream | no elec/water/bz for 33 hours :( |
| 22:43.33 | Michaelh | plist regenerator? |
| 22:43.52 | learner | ouch, who's that? |
| 22:44.08 | MrApathyCream | storm |
| 22:44.46 | Michaelh | was it a *big* storm? |
| 22:44.51 | learner | I mean who? is the player's name storm? |
| 22:44.51 | Michaelh | or a *little* storm |
| 22:45.08 | Michaelh | was it like windy ? :) |
| 22:45.11 | JBDiGriz | I believe he's talking about himself. |
| 22:45.32 | learner | ah |
| 22:45.47 | learner | Hrm.. maybe it was been 33 hours since I last saw you :) |
| 22:45.54 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 22:46.05 | MrApathyCream | hmmm where is 'buildDate' definied |
| 22:46.14 | JBDiGriz | MAC: Go over to learner's house. I'm sure he'll let you shoot someone, or at least run around with a letter opener. |
| 22:46.25 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 22:46.32 | JBDiGriz | learner fixed that earlier today. |
| 22:46.57 | JBDiGriz | sorry, learner fixed that for the macintosh build earlier today. I'm not sure about other builds. |
| 22:47.01 | learner | We can go shooting. There's a skeet range about 30 min away, and a couple pistol ranges real close. |
| 22:47.03 | MrApathyCream | i just did an up |
| 22:47.12 | MrApathyCream | build fails |
| 22:47.16 | Michaelh | so now we have huge ugly versions now huh? |
| 22:47.31 | learner | what did I "fix"? |
| 22:47.32 | Michaelh | 9.3.1.2.300.fbx |
| 22:47.37 | Michaelh | or whatever |
| 22:47.43 | learner | buildDate is in buildVersion.cc iirc |
| 22:47.50 | MrApathyCream | .cc? |
| 22:47.55 | Michaelh | how does it generate them? |
| 22:47.55 | learner | Tupone |
| 22:48.22 | learner | it doesn't generate it, it's static and referred to externally by version.h |
| 22:48.29 | learner | it's compiled just prior to link |
| 22:48.29 | MrApathyCream | do i just add it to the project? |
| 22:48.41 | MrApathyCream | ie, just a normal file? |
| 22:48.43 | learner | yes, there should be a buildVersion.cc in each of the binary dirs |
| 22:48.52 | MrApathyCream | what's with .cc? |
| 22:48.56 | learner | Tupone |
| 22:49.16 | learner | for some reason he went with the "other" extension |
| 22:49.28 | captain_pistachi | umm |
| 22:49.32 | captain_pistachi | that should be changed to .cxx |
| 22:49.35 | tea|tree | captain_pistachi ! |
| 22:49.41 | tea|tree | what a nick :D |
| 22:49.58 | JBDiGriz | Can we squish a bu tank when it's hiding under a pyramid? |
| 22:50.09 | MrApathyCream | JBDiGriz, yes |
| 22:50.22 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton, you converting the extension? |
| 22:50.30 | Michaelh | I see no buildVersion.cc |
| 22:50.47 | MrApathyCream | Michaelh, in src/bzflag |
| 22:50.48 | captain_proton | no, i'm trying to deal with people spamming using our domain |
| 22:51.05 | MrApathyCream | er, buildDate.cc |
| 22:51.08 | JBDiGriz | Looks like buildDate.cc to me |
| 22:51.14 | learner | yea, what he said :) |
| 22:52.29 | Michaelh | love that microsoft update virus thingee email |
| 22:53.30 | Michaelh | char buildDate[] = {__DATE__}; |
| 22:53.34 | Michaelh | that's tricky |
| 22:53.46 | Michaelh | I almost thought there was something here |
| 22:53.47 | Michaelh | there |
| 22:54.26 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (buildDate.cc): use .cxx extensions please |
| 22:54.40 | learner | *sigh* |
| 22:55.02 | JBDiGriz | A program is best when it's short, to the point, and just gets the job done in an obvious manner. Obfuscation isn't a worthwhile objective. |
| 22:55.23 | JBDiGriz | learner, please don't break it again ;^) |
| 22:55.43 | learner | wee.. got rid of the expanded regular expressions |
| 22:55.48 | Michaelh | a one line file? |
| 22:55.56 | learner | sure, why not |
| 22:56.00 | learner | easy to debug :) |
| 22:56.03 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (buildDate.cxx): use .cxx extensions please |
| 22:56.06 | Michaelh | suppose so |
| 22:56.15 | JBDiGriz | What's wrong with a one line file, especially if it needs to be compiled on every build. |
| 22:56.37 | learner | it could simply be generated during linking, but having it makes things simpler for all the build environments |
| 22:57.01 | Michaelh | bleh |
| 22:57.49 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32 (bzflag.dsp): add buildDate.cxx |
| 22:57.58 | Michaelh | So the version is created every time it's compiled? |
| 22:58.08 | Michaelh | or some extension there of? |
| 22:58.48 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (Makefile.am): use .cxx extensions please |
| 22:59.25 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (3 files): changed to .cxx following mac's lead |
| 22:59.35 | larsl | bzfls and bzadmin too. =) |
| 22:59.36 | Michaelh | doh |
| 22:59.57 | JBDiGriz | Time for me to doublecheck again..... |
| 23:00.45 | *** join/#bzflag |tim| (~tim@209-102-174-145.coastalnow.net) |
| 23:00.59 | MrApathyCream | IT'S THE LENGTH OF TIM!!!!! |
| 23:00.59 | learner | lol... "waiting for brlcad's lock in /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/src/bzadmin"... that's wrong |
| 23:01.37 | |tim| | dun dun dun |
| 23:02.15 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (3 files): changed to .cxx following mac's lead |
| 23:03.00 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (Makefile.am): oops.. referenced twice |
| 23:03.11 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32 (bzfs.dsp): add buildDate.cxx to bzfs build |
| 23:04.43 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfls (3 files): changed to .cxx following mac's lead |
| 23:05.20 | JBDiGriz | Let me know when you're ready for it to start building, rather than just committing ;^) |
| 23:05.56 | learner | that's all of them |
| 23:06.17 | JBDiGriz | Are you sure this time ;^? |
| 23:06.27 | MrApathyCream | just have to chance it |
| 23:07.06 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32 (bzfls.dsp): add buildDate.cxx to bzfls build |
| 23:07.17 | tea|tree | ibot CIA? |
| 23:07.18 | | methinks cia is a CVS/Subversion commit notification bot run on #commits among other channels, originally by scanline. http://navi.picogui.org/svn/picogui/trunk/tools/irc/cia.html |
| 23:07.30 | tea|tree | ? |
| 23:07.47 | JBDiGriz | learner: bzadmin ;^) |
| 23:07.50 | tea|tree | tahst good |
| 23:07.54 | bryjen | you were expecting the Central Intelligence Agency ? |
| 23:08.01 | tea|tree | but i dont understand what he is saying :D |
| 23:08.24 | larsl | tea|tree: CVS commit reports. |
| 23:09.30 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj (project.pbxproj): buildDate.cc changed to buildDate.cxx |
| 23:09.44 | JBDiGriz | learner: bzfls |
| 23:10.04 | learner | JBDiGriz: what what what? :) |
| 23:10.14 | JBDiGriz | and of course BZFlag ;^) |
| 23:10.58 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchunks_ (~frobozzpf@66.159.145.78.adsl.snet.net) |
| 23:11.18 | JBDiGriz | and after all that it will compile. |
| 23:11.26 | MrApathyCream | yuppers |
| 23:11.29 | learner | then I'm golden :) |
| 23:12.02 | JBDiGriz | and it even has the right version in the finder info ;^) |
| 23:12.43 | JBDiGriz | and best of all, brlcad.org shows up in the server list again ;^D |
| 23:12.45 | MrApathyCream | ibot, ~goldenize $who is <action> $who is golden |
| 23:12.47 | | ACTION $who is <action> $who is golden is golden |
| 23:12.57 | MrApathyCream | ~goldenize learner |
| 23:13.10 | MrApathyCream | grrrr |
| 23:13.12 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): removed storage of the uncompiled expanded expression |
| 23:13.18 | MrApathyCream | ibot forget ~goldenize |
| 23:13.18 | | i didn't have anything called '~goldenize', MrApathyCream |
| 23:13.29 | bryjen | listkeys gold |
| 23:13.29 | JBDiGriz | heh |
| 23:13.32 | bryjen | ~listkeys gold |
| 23:13.45 | learner | ~~goldenize MrApathyCream |
| 23:13.46 | | ACTION MrApathyCream is golden |
| 23:13.53 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 23:13.53 | Michaelh | so did someone add a regular expression library or some such thing? |
| 23:14.00 | MrApathyCream | thar ya go |
| 23:14.13 | MrApathyCream | ibot forget ~~goldenize |
| 23:14.13 | | MrApathyCream: i didn't have anything called '~~goldenize' |
| 23:14.20 | MrApathyCream | ibot forget goldenize |
| 23:14.20 | | i didn't have anything called 'goldenize', MrApathyCream |
| 23:14.24 | MrApathyCream | *sigh* |
| 23:14.30 | learner | ibot: forget ~goldenize |
| 23:14.30 | | i didn't have anything called '~goldenize', learner |
| 23:14.33 | bryjen | ibot: forget ~goldenize $who |
| 23:14.33 | | bryjen: i didn't have anything called '~goldenize $who' |
| 23:15.01 | learner | hrm |
| 23:15.05 | bryjen | i think its the $parameter confusing it |
| 23:15.18 | learner | ibot: forget "~goldenize $who" |
| 23:15.18 | | learner: i didn't have anything called '"~goldenize $who"' |
| 23:16.31 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@158.222.225.5) |
| 23:17.23 | larsl | Do we have a ~bzfquery for the current protocol? |
| 23:18.55 | JBDiGriz | cool picture of the panda baby on the panda cam |
| 23:18.55 | learner | sheesh.. I'm not reading the manual to make ibot forget that sillyness.. she's being bitchy |
| 23:19.23 | bryjen | ~insult learner |
| 23:19.26 | learner | she's confused by the tilde during forget |
| 23:19.43 | learner | ~lart bryjen |
| 23:19.58 | bryjen | i still bet its the param |
| 23:20.18 | JBDiGriz | ibot forget \~goldenize |
| 23:20.18 | | i didn't have anything called '\~goldenize', JBDiGriz |
| 23:20.37 | JBDiGriz | ibot forget "~goldenize" |
| 23:20.37 | | i didn't have anything called '"~goldenize"', JBDiGriz |
| 23:20.56 | JBDiGriz | oh well, i have to agree with learner at this point |
| 23:20.59 | larsl | ~forget ~goldenize (.*?) |
| 23:20.59 | | larsl: i didn't have anything called '~goldenize (.*?)' |
| 23:21.36 | larsl | ~listkeys goldenize |
| 23:22.00 | fiberchunks_ | whee! I'm in a new space right now :) |
| 23:22.13 | bryjen | wasn't there an insult command too? |
| 23:22.19 | larsl | ~listkeys insult |
| 23:22.42 | larsl | ~insult larsl |
| 23:22.55 | larsl | Bleh. |
| 23:23.04 | JBDiGriz | Any more elevation at the new space, fiber? |
| 23:23.07 | learner | ~lart larsl |
| 23:23.18 | fiberchunks_ | no : |
| 23:23.26 | fiberchunks_ | lots of desk space though |
| 23:24.36 | learner | nice and quiet? |
| 23:24.41 | fiberchunks_ | yup |
| 23:25.06 | fiberchunks_ | I got more stuff to move over, but the main machine is here .. and the laptop is on it's way, along with all my files, safe, etc, etc |
| 23:25.45 | learner | hehe |
| 23:26.41 | fiberchunks_ | ah, I can read the /me actions now |
| 23:35.58 | fiberchunks_ | now for more work -=- later on |
| 23:45.40 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj (project.pbxproj): makefile in wrong group location |
| 23:50.47 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (bryjen@ky-owensboro1a-242.owboky.adelphia.net) |
| 23:56.13 | Michaelh | that's an original nick |
| 23:57.04 | Hacker | nah |
| 23:57.15 | OriginalNick | this is an original nick |
| 23:57.29 | OriginalNick | :D |
| 23:57.32 | bryjen | ~nickometer OriginalNick |
| 23:57.32 | | 'OriginalNick' is 0.000% lame, bryjen |
| 23:57.40 | bryjen | that's what she thinks. |
| 23:57.47 | captain_proton | ibot is a she? |
| 23:57.48 | | captain_proton: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 23:57.49 | OriginalNick | she's good to me |
| 23:57.51 | OriginalNick | ~botsmack |
| 23:57.52 | | sure, wanna snort some with me? |
| 23:58.03 | bryjen | captain_proton: several people seem to think so |
| 23:58.20 | captain_proton | ah |
| 23:58.30 | captain_proton | i always thought of ibot as sort of an androgenous entity |
| 23:58.43 | bryjen | in a virtual place, its probly all about perception anyway |
| 23:58.49 | captain_proton | indeed |
