| 00:02.10 | learner | I hesitate a "why"? |
| 00:04.14 | learner | Actually, I could see the need when we go windowed, perhaps |
| 00:04.20 | TyroneFHornigh | Right now, the version is defined in the property list in PB as well as version.h. It seems that we should have it in one place. |
| 00:04.26 | learner | but we could still get away with just using the version file |
| 00:04.36 | learner | it is? |
| 00:04.42 | learner | i thought I took that out.. |
| 00:04.52 | learner | Oh.. the app version.. yes |
| 00:05.00 | learner | hrm |
| 00:05.28 | TyroneFHornigh | You had me looking for the app for a second there. I thought I was going crazy. ;^) |
| 00:06.08 | learner | oh, don't worry |
| 00:06.10 | learner | you are |
| 00:06.26 | TyroneFHornigh | I'm not the one talking to myself. :^P |
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| 01:05.15 | Quol | lol JB - how R ya? |
| 01:05.46 | JBDiGriz | in a little pain, it seems someone was being tacky ;^) |
| 01:06.05 | Quol | sorry about the tack :) |
| 01:06.31 | Quol | thought you could use a little excitement in your life though :) |
| 01:07.41 | JBDiGriz | How are your storm preparations going? |
| 01:08.07 | Quol | well, it isn't scheduled to hit Montreal - at least not hard... |
| 01:08.24 | Quol | should only be a severe thunderstorm when it hits here |
| 01:08.34 | Quol | you live in the "zone"? |
| 01:08.57 | JBDiGriz | It looked like the projected path was passing nearby you. I'm on the west coast. |
| 01:09.17 | Quol | thought you were on the west...couldn't remember though |
| 01:09.45 | Quol | They say that it will hit NC first and then cary up and west |
| 01:10.00 | Quol | will come close to montreal but it should have lost a lot of power by then |
| 01:10.18 | JBDiGriz | The projected path has it turning north after wiping out Maryland. |
| 01:10.50 | Quol | they only have a severe thunderstorm warning out - nothing more than that for us |
| 01:11.01 | Quol | we'll see though - won't we :) |
| 01:11.35 | JBDiGriz | I'm lucky, I get to watch from a distance. We might get an earthquake out here though. |
| 01:11.57 | Quol | you in california? |
| 01:12.10 | JBDiGriz | San Diego |
| 01:12.35 | learner | I'm hopking it hits a little further north ;) |
| 01:12.41 | Quol | yes - i would be in constant fear if I lived there :) |
| 01:12.59 | JBDiGriz | q: Maryland or So Cal? |
| 01:13.02 | Quol | hopking - what is that? hoping while you hope? |
| 01:13.17 | learner | king of hoping ;) |
| 01:13.24 | JBDiGriz | It's a checkers move. You jump your opponent and say king me. |
| 01:13.58 | learner | It'd be a lot more fun if it actually makes it up to maryland |
| 01:14.56 | Quol | JB - mostly california - the scientinst project that the whole state will go by-by one day |
| 01:15.08 | learner | anyone here experienced with gprof functionings? |
| 01:15.15 | Quol | with all the faults - just will take the "right" one to put it off the map :) |
| 01:15.46 | learner | i'm getting an error about opening a divx component which has nothing to do with my run/build |
| 01:15.50 | JBDiGriz | Here's a map of the recent earthquakes nearby. http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/latest.htm |
| 01:16.27 | JBDiGriz | I haven't felt any of them. |
| 01:17.29 | Quol | I have to change PC's - will be back.... |
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| 01:34.24 | Carnage | cya later |
| 01:38.11 | learner | woo hoo |
| 01:38.18 | learner | finally got some profile numbers that mean something |
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| 01:45.22 | learner | most time was spent in BSPSceneIterator::getNextEv() |
| 01:45.28 | learner | second was sin() !! |
| 01:48.30 | JBDiGriz | bzflag is a sin-ful game. All of the religious folks will have to think about that. ;^) |
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| 01:50.14 | KR | hi all |
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| 01:57.10 | Quol_ | anyone know of a goof IRC proxy? |
| 01:57.22 | Quol_ | goof=good |
| 01:58.40 | MrApathyCream | meaning cgi:irc? |
| 01:59.25 | Quol_ | could also be a daemon or something like that.. |
| 02:09.17 | MrApathyCream | do we really want to do this? "# define sprintf _snprintf |
| 02:09.17 | MrApathyCream | " |
| 02:09.50 | learner | er, that was a typo -- but it's not used anyways |
| 02:09.58 | MrApathyCream | compile fails, ok fixing |
| 02:10.14 | learner | should be define snprintf _snprintf |
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| 02:12.38 | SGI | hi |
| 02:15.34 | learner | on a positive note, the bzdb is not in the top set of calls |
| 02:16.14 | learner | the first peak of it's head is some evalERKs() method |
| 02:17.15 | learner | er, scratch that.. compareERKS() |
| 02:18.11 | learner | Dang name mangling is making this profile hard to read |
| 02:18.59 | SGI | ~dict dang |
| 02:19.15 | learner | ;) |
| 02:21.43 | MrApathyCream | coo |
| 02:23.30 | SGI | stairs |
| 02:24.00 | Quol_ | anyone heard of "ezbounce" IRC Proxy? |
| 02:25.30 | SGI | yes |
| 02:28.53 | SGI | cool |
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| 02:34.13 | Quol_ | hello BZG |
| 02:34.16 | bzgirl | hi |
| 02:34.51 | SGI | hello BZGirl |
| 02:35.09 | bzgirl | hello SGI |
| 02:38.03 | learner | Most time is spent in the following top 10 calls: BSPSceneIterator::getNext(), BSPSceneDatabase::insertDynamic(), BSPSceneDatabase::removeDynamic(), WallSceneNode::cull(), SceneRendere::addShadowNode(), sin(), SceneNode::getRenderNodes(), testOrigRectRect(), RadarRenderer::makeList(), TimeKeeper::getCurrent() |
| 02:38.13 | learner | In that order |
| 02:51.05 | SGI | how I can change the size of the "windowed" bzflag |
| 02:52.40 | Quol_ | changing the game resolution will/should change the size of the window I think |
| 02:53.27 | SGI | just the windowed one |
| 02:54.20 | JBDiGriz | learner, are you looking at the client? |
| 02:56.45 | learner | yes |
| 02:57.08 | learner | SGI: -window XxY |
| 02:58.36 | SGI | thanks |
| 02:59.21 | learner | or maybe -geometry WIDTHxHEIGHT |
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| 02:59.25 | learner | I never can remember |
| 02:59.31 | learner | moin Tim |
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| 02:59.59 | SGI | tprobably i can the answer from tim |
| 03:00.25 | JBDiGriz | These mac guys never remember the X11 argument is -geometry. ;^) |
| 03:00.27 | learner | yep -window -geometry 800x600 |
| 03:00.37 | learner | pffssh |
| 03:00.48 | SGI | what is that |
| 03:01.18 | learner | I sprung a leak |
| 03:01.28 | SGI | tires |
| 03:01.37 | JBDiGriz | treads don't leak |
| 03:02.12 | JBDiGriz | Could someone get ibot to bring a mop over here? learner's leaking again. |
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| 03:17.00 | learner | Another rather interesting metric.. TimeKeeper::getCurrent() is called approximately 1000 times per second |
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| 03:19.08 | bryjen | of course, you wan to stay current :) btw, the bathroom's down the hall |
| 03:19.49 | bryjen | s/wan/want |
| 03:21.00 | MrApathyCream | 1000/sec seems about right |
| 03:21.19 | learner | interesting, nonetheless |
| 03:21.23 | bryjen | clockwatchers |
| 03:21.39 | MrApathyCream | the worst bzdb is around 300/s iirc |
| 03:22.11 | learner | yea, bzdb didn't even show near the significant numbers in my profile |
| 03:22.41 | MrApathyCream | if you have DEBUG on for _debugLookups, then getCurrent will be artificially high |
| 03:23.11 | learner | --enable-debug was on, but i didn't set a define anywhere |
| 03:24.36 | MrApathyCream | StateDatabase.cxx line 28 |
| 03:24.45 | MrApathyCream | is what i'm talkin' about |
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| 03:38.39 | learner | hrm.. I just lost complete motion control in the client |
| 03:39.14 | purple_cow | i've noticed that happens every so often |
| 03:39.16 | purple_cow | no clue why |
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| 03:49.34 | TimRiker | ~mop $who is <action>get's a mop and cleans up after $who |
| 03:49.34 | | okay, TimRiker |
| 03:49.39 | TimRiker | ~mop learner |
| 03:49.40 | | ACTION get's a mop and cleans up after learner |
| 03:49.57 | learner | hehe |
| 03:51.04 | SGI | bye bye |
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| 03:54.07 | JBDiGriz | Thanks Tim, it was getting slippery around here. ;^) |
| 03:54.18 | TimRiker | np |
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| 04:12.48 | learner | I'm sure I can find something to break |
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| 04:38.55 | JBDiGriz | doUpdateMotion after handleDroppedFlag when the flag is bu. For some reason when we hit a building, our altitude becomes ridiculously high. Does anyone have any insights before I start digging in? |
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| 04:43.19 | lurgyman | yep, that didn't work quite how i thought it would |
| 04:43.35 | MrApathyCream | jbd |
| 04:43.35 | purple_cow | whatsit do? |
| 04:43.37 | MrApathyCream | er |
| 04:44.08 | MrApathyCream | JBDiGriz, so you drop the flag then hit a building while still below 0? |
| 04:44.36 | JBDiGriz | drive up against a building, and drop the flag, get autokicked for being too high |
| 04:45.06 | MrApathyCream | lemmee try |
| 04:45.08 | learner | that simple? |
| 04:45.17 | JBDiGriz | yep |
| 04:46.43 | MrApathyCream | yuppers, got it too |
| 04:47.19 | learner | ha, yep |
| 04:47.37 | JBDiGriz | didn't get to the creep up code in doUpdateMotion, time to set a few more breakpoints |
| 04:50.41 | MrApathyCream | line 307 is the creep up |
| 04:50.56 | MrApathyCream | hitting building must bypass this |
| 04:52.46 | JBDiGriz | hitting building looks like it's farther down in the code at line 361 |
| 04:53.04 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 04:53.08 | JBDiGriz | Unfortunately, I haven't hit a breakpoint yet in either place |
| 04:53.49 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, maybe 320 is the creep up |
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| 04:57.16 | MrApathyCream | yes line 320 is it |
| 04:58.26 | MrApathyCream | i think 407 is problematic |
| 04:58.36 | MrApathyCream | should check for oldPosition < 0.0 |
| 05:01.27 | MrApathyCream | got it |
| 05:02.27 | MrApathyCream | checking in now, please try |
| 05:04.00 | JBDiGriz | It looked like the comparison on line 466 was causing it to believe it's in the air. Your fix might affect that. |
| 05:04.58 | MrApathyCream | prhaps |
| 05:05.00 | JBDiGriz | Trying at brlcad |
| 05:07.53 | JBDiGriz | That looks good. |
| 05:08.53 | JBDiGriz | ok, so i was trying to get the checkin before you returned so something would be fixed. ;^) |
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| 05:12.29 | MrApathyCream | heh, thanks |
| 05:14.26 | MrApathyCream | i'm consistently getting bounced mail from commits@picogui.org |
| 05:14.29 | MrApathyCream | i assume that's CIA? |
| 05:14.38 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 05:14.50 | JBDiGriz | It's bouncing to me as well. evidently it's broken for now. |
| 05:14.55 | purple_cow | mmmyep |
| 05:16.48 | MrApathyCream | so can the version string thingy be removed from the todo list? |
| 05:18.51 | JBDiGriz | Are there any platforms with odd __DATE__ formats? I haven't found any so far. |
| 05:19.18 | MrApathyCream | *shrug* |
| 05:19.21 | JBDiGriz | I'd say remove it to the Changelog, and let's move on. |
| 05:19.23 | purple_cow | isn't __DATE__ standard? |
| 05:20.09 | JBDiGriz | It seems that it was slightly different in the c compiler (gcc v 3.1), but has remained constant in the c++ compiler. |
| 05:20.24 | JBDiGriz | It's fixed in gcc 3.3 |
| 05:26.22 | JBDiGriz | It seems we can't really drop a flag unless it disappears. Can someone meet me on brlcad to confirm? |
| 05:27.04 | learner | estoy recompilando |
| 05:27.09 | learner | ya |
| 05:28.49 | JBDiGriz | estas listo? |
| 05:33.27 | learner | that was whacky |
| 05:34.52 | JBDiGriz | it's working on ducati, so i think it's just your changes |
| 05:35.06 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 05:35.07 | learner | Oh, I'm sure |
| 05:35.30 | JBDiGriz | the flag drop also seems to work on ducati |
| 05:38.36 | JBDiGriz | It looks like we're back down to 4 items on the TODO list before the next release. |
| 05:39.00 | MrApathyCream | the lists seems arbitrary to me |
| 05:39.09 | MrApathyCream | client wordfilter could be dropped to me |
| 05:39.33 | MrApathyCream | the BZDB bad boys have been fixed |
| 05:39.54 | MrApathyCream | who wants to shorten laser? who's was that? |
| 05:39.59 | JBDiGriz | I'm not sure why things keep getting added. learner will be working on the client word filter. |
| 05:40.23 | JBDiGriz | That one doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I like to use laser to pick off the gm across the field. |
| 05:40.28 | learner | tho I didn't add it :) |
| 05:40.34 | MrApathyCream | yes, it looks like a deliberate attempt to keep from shipping to me :) |
| 05:41.10 | learner | it's actually pretty trivial was why it was added -- had I not dorked with the timekeeper, i probably could have finished it already |
| 05:42.39 | JBDiGriz | So that looks like 3 items on the list, but I don't know who has signed up to move things into a directory. |
| 05:43.27 | MrApathyCream | ibot, spank learner |
| 05:43.28 | | MrApathyCream: wish i knew |
| 05:43.50 | MrApathyCream | ~spank learner |
| 05:44.37 | JBDiGriz | You really need to change your cologne, l. Now mac is after you. :^) |
| 05:44.54 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:45.00 | MrApathyCream | ~spank learner |
| 05:45.06 | MrApathyCream | hmm ibot is sleepin |
| 05:45.16 | learner | Am i supposed to like or dislike that? |
| 05:45.29 | JBDiGriz | Pretty soon there will be an all out battle between chika, pat, and mac. :^) |
| 05:45.37 | MrApathyCream | *shrug* |
| 05:45.46 | learner | bzmudpitbrawl |
| 05:46.09 | JBDiGriz | I suppose your pleasures are up to you. |
| 05:46.48 | MrApathyCream | hmm, ibot seems to not know things that you tell him in private |
| 05:47.02 | MrApathyCream | ~spank $who is <action>bends $who over his knee and tattoos 'ibot' in his pasty white buttocks |
| 05:47.03 | | MrApathyCream: okay |
| 05:47.06 | MrApathyCream | ~spank learner |
| 05:47.08 | | ACTION bends learner over his knee and tattoos 'ibot' in his pasty white buttocks |
| 05:47.21 | JBDiGriz | It knows certain things that you tell him in private. |
| 05:47.37 | MrApathyCream | apparently not ~commands |
| 05:47.44 | JBDiGriz | ~jaybee |
| 05:47.44 | | "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with catsup!" |
| 05:47.58 | learner | ah, I finally met "jaybee" |
| 05:48.31 | JBDiGriz | I noticed someone was using that as a callsign. chika uses it as shorthand for me. |
| 05:51.22 | JBDiGriz | I wonder if Carnage harasses jaybee as much as he harasses me :^) |
| 05:51.48 | learner | probably ;) |
| 05:52.33 | learner | yea, talked to him briefly -- he'd "heard" a little about the controversy but didn't know what was up |
| 05:53.02 | learner | i think he said he had to explain to a couple that he wasn't "whoever that other guy is" :) |
| 05:58.23 | MrApathyCream | learner was does /set poll -1 do (as admin)? |
| 06:00.16 | learner | should do nothing |
| 06:00.45 | learner | should be permission denied or variable not writeable or something like that |
| 06:02.07 | MrApathyCream | 'not writable' --> good |
| 06:03.50 | learner | yea, I fixed that right after you sent it ;) i didn't set the var read only, and /set didn't check permissions |
| 06:04.15 | MrApathyCream | if i start droolin, someone wake me up |
| 06:05.51 | learner | ~mop MrApathyCream |
| 06:05.53 | | ACTION get's a mop and cleans up after MrApathyCream |
| 06:06.24 | JBDiGriz | heh heh |
| 06:06.36 | learner | fixed the timings on brlcad.org |
| 06:06.55 | JBDiGriz | I don't play with the TODO list. I leave that up to the big cheeses. |
| 06:07.44 | JBDiGriz | I hope jaybee has a good sense of humor, although I'm not sure what the controversy would be. |
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| 06:14.22 | Book | is bzflag supposed to show the mouse pointer during gameplay? |
| 06:14.28 | TimRiker | yes |
| 06:14.47 | Book | cool, so im not doing anything wrong :-) |
| 06:15.02 | TimRiker | that's the motion indicator. put it in the middle of the screen and you stop. |
| 06:15.23 | Book | is the pointer supposed to be fixed inside the mouse box? |
| 06:15.28 | TimRiker | nope. |
| 06:15.34 | Book | even better :-) |
| 06:15.42 | Book | thanks for the help |
| 06:17.24 | TimRiker | np |
| 06:22.40 | learner | it's the only way to drive :) |
| 06:23.00 | JBDiGriz | I might have to learn |
| 06:23.05 | JBDiGriz | g'nite |
| 06:23.08 | learner | night |
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| 06:28.25 | learner | lol, wiz used the swear list to confirm that arras was swearing :D |
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| 12:01.34 | bomber | moin |
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| 13:13.41 | captain_proton | nice use of /me |
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| 13:37.02 | Chestal | hi [dmp] |
| 13:38.27 | Bagheera | is there a map format guide for 1.9? |
| 13:39.08 | Bagheera | there is some info on the wiki, but i have heard rumours there is other "stuff" |
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| 14:08.13 | [dmp] | hi Chestal |
| 14:11.31 | [dmp] | heh. Our raytracer creates our spheres as the would be shown if it had wide-view turned on :) |
| 14:11.45 | brlcad | screenshot :) |
| 14:12.01 | brlcad | and hi, dmp :) |
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| 14:40.23 | [dmp] | brlcad: its just some white spots.. no shading nor shadows.. boring stuff :) |
| 14:44.02 | [dmp] | http://daisy.baat.dk/sickray.png .. there spheres got the same radius, just different positions |
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| 14:58.15 | brlcad | hehe, cool, [dmp] |
| 15:01.25 | [dmp] | im not sure why :) |
| 15:01.51 | [dmp] | perhaps i should add some colors, and print it as abstract art |
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| 15:03.19 | [dmp] | Buts its kinda fun, anyway :) |
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| 15:27.43 | Nidhoggr | hrm.. it's disturbing that a non-admin can get the IP of another player. |
| 15:28.37 | bryjen | 1.7 uses it as the playerid |
| 15:29.08 | larsl | The server could probably be patched to send bogus IPs to the clients. |
| 15:29.15 | larsl | And map them to real IPs internally. |
| 15:29.33 | bryjen | 1.9 uses something else |
| 15:29.41 | larsl | Yes. |
| 15:29.53 | larsl | But as a patch for the 1.7 branch. |
| 15:30.04 | bryjen | makes another reason to move up |
| 15:31.33 | Chestal | hmm, in 1.9 when you teamkill and the server is setup to kill teamkillers one loses 2 points. Is that a bug or a feature (or both)? |
| 15:32.07 | bryjen | who asked for the laser to be shortened ? |
| 15:32.07 | larsl | -1 for your teammate, -1 for dying? |
| 15:32.18 | Chestal | I guess so |
| 15:32.31 | Chestal | bryjen: no idea, IMHO this needs discussion |
| 15:32.43 | Chestal | actually I think it could makeit even more powerful |
| 15:32.48 | larsl | I don't know if it's intended, but I think it makes sense. Killing a teammate is worse than just killing yourself. |
| 15:33.00 | bryjen | yes, as there's less risk of ricocheting yourself |
| 15:33.17 | bryjen | ~spell ricocheting |
| 15:33.18 | | 'ricocheting' may be spelled correctly |
| 15:33.33 | brlcad | I'd say a kill is a kill |
| 15:34.24 | brlcad | Ches, maybe it's because you get +1 for the kill and -2 to compensate to make the total -1 |
| 15:34.55 | Chestal | eh, no |
| 15:35.00 | Chestal | the total is -2 as observed when playing |
| 15:35.04 | brlcad | ah |
| 15:35.04 | Chestal | I didn't even look at the code |
| 15:35.06 | brlcad | that's new |
| 15:35.20 | Chestal | was just wonderign whether it's intended or jsut a side effect and whether it needs fixing |
| 15:35.42 | brlcad | I'd vote on the latter, but then my voting system has bugs too :) |
| 15:35.49 | Chestal | I observed this with bots, just in case it makes a difference |
| 15:36.13 | bryjen | i don't think the dieing-on-teamkill slows down the people who teamkill on purpose. but that may not be the intention. |
| 15:37.57 | bryjen | or maybe all it does is slow them down a bit, but not really discourage them |
| 15:40.00 | Nidhoggr | I'm strongly considering turning the kill if you teamkill feature back on. |
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| 15:40.57 | Chestal | I have it turned off for CTF, my FFA server uses the default (on) IIRC |
| 15:41.05 | brlcad | there should probably be an optional delay for suicides as well (accidental or not) for those who are opposed to such activity |
| 15:41.08 | Nidhoggr | is "Carnage" on bzbb a reliable person? he's reporting a TKer and I don't see any evidence of it in the logs where people are complaining about him. |
| 15:41.47 | patlabor221 | I personaly do not feel he is |
| 15:42.01 | patlabor221 | there is even evidence that he has double teamed |
| 15:42.07 | Nidhoggr | the guy he is reporting is a regular player on the server. |
| 15:42.17 | brlcad | I've never seen him be unreliable as it pertains to reporting Tkers |
| 15:42.21 | patlabor221 | He is also the player that was known as LT.D |
| 15:42.22 | Nidhoggr | I'm sure he'd have annoyed someone enough to yell at him by now. |
| 15:42.39 | patlabor221 | tho I hear carnage is getting better |
| 15:43.16 | Nidhoggr | well, I'll make it a point to have someone warn the player next time one of them sees him. all the admins for secretplace get the bzflag@dragon.org email. |
| 15:43.42 | brlcad | yes, he has a very nasty past and a rather bad reputation to overcome (still), but I think he's gotten much much better |
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| 15:49.52 | Nidhoggr | check my second reply. :) |
| 15:51.55 | bryjen | i think if you compile the client with --enable-debug it might show the IPs on the scoreboard |
| 15:52.13 | Nidhoggr | that's not good. |
| 15:52.48 | Nidhoggr | I thought the whole idea was to hide the people's IPs from each other. at least that is the tone I felt from the folks here and on the boards. |
| 15:53.23 | bryjen | that may be part of the reason it changed in 1.9 |
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| 15:54.04 | Nidhoggr | well, once 1.9 is solid/released, I'll probably switch. |
| 15:54.56 | patlabor221 | you mean 1.10 :) |
| 15:55.05 | Nidhoggr | is that what it will be released as? |
| 15:55.10 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:55.22 | Nidhoggr | has anyone grabbed the lan discovery of servers thing yet? |
| 15:55.25 | patlabor221 | all releases will have even minor versions |
| 15:55.34 | patlabor221 | Tupone was working on it |
| 15:55.36 | Nidhoggr | good idea. |
| 15:55.37 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
| 15:55.39 | bryjen | under patlabor221 great versionification play |
| 15:55.43 | patlabor221 | he said he needed another port to get it towrk |
| 15:55.49 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 15:55.58 | patlabor221 | well I have not heard any complaints about the plan |
| 15:56.04 | bryjen | pat's plan even |
| 15:56.13 | patlabor221 | and Tim seems to concur |
| 15:56.22 | Nidhoggr | I think it's a good idea. |
| 15:56.36 | patlabor221 | and I think it makes it easyer to know what's going on, and keeps us from geting in a corner |
| 15:57.13 | patlabor221 | if CVS is working today, I'll get rid of the windows specific version.h and we will have one nice place to change the version :) |
| 15:57.36 | Nidhoggr | CVS working?! *snort* |
| 15:57.39 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:57.51 | bryjen | ibot: botsmack |
| 15:57.51 | | sure, wanna snort some with me? |
| 15:58.00 | patlabor221 | well yesterday I could not even connect. |
| 15:58.13 | Nidhoggr | I've had a few days like that. |
| 15:58.54 | patlabor221 | and how does everyone feel about "build type" instead of "build source" ? |
| 15:58.59 | Nidhoggr | the guy who initially was using the admin bug to make trouble on my server was back and was trying to exploit it again yesterday. :) |
| 15:59.23 | patlabor221 | I hope it did now work |
| 16:02.03 | patlabor221 | I mis CIA |
| 16:04.39 | Nidhoggr | it was funny watching him be all frustrated. |
| 16:09.14 | TyroneFHornigh | nid is having a good admin week. It's fun to watch the bad guys twisting in the wind. ;^) |
| 16:21.22 | patlabor221 | I documented the version stuff in DEVINFO, someone may want to read it over to make sure it's not in "me" english |
| 16:29.57 | Nidhoggr | anyone familiar with pptp vpns? |
| 16:30.03 | brlcad | So are we dropping the build user? |
| 16:30.17 | brlcad | I'd really like that little bugger to be visible somewhere |
| 16:30.58 | brlcad | (to developers -- not necessarily the users) |
| 16:32.09 | patlabor221 | what is an example of a linux version string? what does it put for the build OS? |
| 16:32.57 | brlcad | bash-2.05a# uname -a |
| 16:32.57 | brlcad | Darwin hole.arl.army.mil 6.6 Darwin Kernel Version 6.6: Thu May 1 21:48:54 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-344.34.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc |
| 16:33.10 | patlabor221 | it puts all that in there? |
| 16:33.25 | patlabor221 | sorry I mean the BZflag verion |
| 16:33.29 | brlcad | ah |
| 16:33.29 | patlabor221 | on linux |
| 16:33.30 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:33.32 | patlabor221 | my bad |
| 16:33.39 | patlabor221 | is it GNU Linux ? |
| 16:33.53 | brlcad | I don't recall, but it's something like that :) |
| 16:34.28 | brlcad | do you mean the "version" or the "host" or the "os" or the "vendor" |
| 16:34.50 | patlabor221 | what do we put into BUILD_OS |
| 16:35.36 | brlcad | host_os |
| 16:35.50 | patlabor221 | and that comes out as? |
| 16:35.57 | patlabor221 | like what does the user see? |
| 16:35.59 | brlcad | for my system that's Darwin6.6, for example |
| 16:36.03 | patlabor221 | I'm trying to make an example |
| 16:36.04 | patlabor221 | ahh |
| 16:36.50 | brlcad | i don't think linux reports a version |
| 16:37.01 | patlabor221 | I don't think so ether |
| 16:37.05 | brlcad | the string is built up by configure |
| 16:37.37 | brlcad | a bit arbitrary, but enough to distinguish the 'host os' |
| 16:39.53 | patlabor221 | brlcad, I'm gonna add a thing on your voting booth stuff to the changelog, it dosn't seem to be in there |
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| 16:41.56 | patlabor221 | so there are only 4 things left |
| 16:42.10 | patlabor221 | well 6 if somone wants to step up |
| 16:44.26 | brlcad | I would have finished with the voting thing last night had I not got sidetracked into profiling |
| 16:45.07 | brlcad | It's on my plate for tonight, as well as the bugs in the voting system |
| 16:56.42 | TyroneFHornigh | I thought the bzdb benchmarks had been done. |
| 16:58.14 | larsl | patlabor221: The BUILD_OS for Linux is linux-gnu. |
| 16:58.23 | brlcad | ~mop patlabor221 |
| 16:58.25 | | ACTION get's a mop and cleans up after patlabor221 |
| 16:58.26 | patlabor221 | ahh ok |
| 16:58.37 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 16:58.52 | TyroneFHornigh | did pat spring a leak? |
| 16:59.01 | larsl | patlabor221: What 5 things are left? |
| 16:59.08 | larsl | s/5/6& |
| 16:59.10 | larsl | Agh. |
| 16:59.20 | brlcad | many spelink and protocolll mistaks, fixed I did |
| 17:00.14 | patlabor221 | awww now your being mean, I'm gonna cry |
| 17:00.15 | TyroneFHornigh | There are 6 things listed in the TODO, but I thought one item was finished, and someone had signed up for one of the unclaimed items. |
| 17:00.21 | brlcad | lol |
| 17:00.23 | brlcad | sure you are |
| 17:00.39 | patlabor221 | tupone had mentioned the lan descovery |
| 17:00.55 | TyroneFHornigh | That's one of the two unclaimed items. |
| 17:01.00 | brlcad | Pat: In my profile from last night, bzdb wasn't really an issue |
| 17:01.15 | patlabor221 | ok, so we think it's done? |
| 17:01.18 | patlabor221 | then I'll remove it |
| 17:01.44 | patlabor221 | you guys did clean it up a goodly amount |
| 17:01.52 | TyroneFHornigh | according to mac last night, it was done. I don't know why he didn't remove it. You might want to doublecheck with him. |
| 17:02.10 | patlabor221 | he will get the commit, he can put it back if it's wrong |
| 17:02.27 | patlabor221 | ok, there is TeamID with shots |
| 17:02.32 | TyroneFHornigh | That will be the day, when he puts things in to hold back the release. |
| 17:02.33 | patlabor221 | client side word filter |
| 17:02.37 | patlabor221 | shorten laser |
| 17:02.42 | patlabor221 | lan discovery |
| 17:02.57 | patlabor221 | and something with a folder for linux configs |
| 17:03.03 | patlabor221 | 5 things |
| 17:03.39 | TyroneFHornigh | Who has claimed the folder and laser items? |
| 17:03.52 | patlabor221 | folder I dono |
| 17:04.01 | patlabor221 | I heard chestal had looked at laser |
| 17:04.10 | patlabor221 | I looked at it, and could not figure out how to do it |
| 17:05.10 | TyroneFHornigh | I don't think it should be shortened that much. Right now it's very effective to shoot a gm from across the field or to kill yourself from the odd rico. |
| 17:05.49 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 17:06.06 | Nidhoggr | wiz gave arras the smack down on his SF rant. |
| 17:06.26 | patlabor221 | did you see arras' reply? |
| 17:06.31 | larsl | I agree, it should at least reach from one corner to the opposite corner. |
| 17:06.47 | patlabor221 | TyroneFHornigh want to move it to lower priority, so that it can be evaluated for play ballance? |
| 17:06.59 | Nidhoggr | yes... another IP won't help him :) |
| 17:07.04 | Nidhoggr | we'll just ban him again. |
| 17:07.38 | TyroneFHornigh | That would be my preference, but I'm trying to remove things from the list so we can get this release out. I admit my biases. ;^) |
| 17:08.45 | patlabor221 | well I don't like it when thigns just say "change this" and don't give a reason |
| 17:08.59 | patlabor221 | I'll move it down saying "it's hard" :) |
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| 17:15.57 | brlcad | Well, if we are really pushing for release, the client side filtering can wait and be a patch update -- that'd be one less. Makes no difference to me :) |
| 17:16.25 | brlcad | It's a backwards compatible addition before or after |
| 17:16.36 | TyroneFHornigh | I don't know if anyone is pushing for a release besides a couple of developers including me. |
| 17:17.14 | brlcad | I know you know mac is itching too |
| 17:17.33 | TyroneFHornigh | I personally feel it would energize the community a little bit to have the new capabilities. |
| 17:18.02 | patlabor221 | well it would be nice to get the vote stuff out there |
| 17:18.09 | brlcad | We need to get someone to write up some "release notes" to post on bzbb |
| 17:18.14 | patlabor221 | but I think the release should wait till the client side filter is done |
| 17:18.22 | patlabor221 | as I think that will be used a LOT |
| 17:18.39 | brlcad | Well, wish me luck tonight :) |
| 17:18.55 | TyroneFHornigh | I hope you get lucky tonight ;^) |
| 17:19.04 | patlabor221 | I'd say we don't push for it. But just monitor |
| 17:19.11 | brlcad | lol, TyroneFHornigh |
| 17:19.25 | patlabor221 | I think the filter is more important then a shorter laser |
| 17:19.41 | brlcad | I don't really get the point of a "short" laser.. |
| 17:19.49 | patlabor221 | nor do I |
| 17:19.53 | patlabor221 | I'm moving it down |
| 17:20.21 | patlabor221 | I'll look into the team ID on the shots thing. |
| 17:20.34 | TyroneFHornigh | You're less likely to shoot yourself with a short laser. I think it's a good drawback to laser to avoid shooting yourself. |
| 17:20.37 | patlabor221 | gives an excuse to get the proto version in line with app version :) |
| 17:21.02 | brlcad | Maybe we could get one of the server admins or lurkers to write up about all the visible changes in the server and client since 1.7 ANY VOLUTEERS?? :) |
| 17:21.19 | patlabor221 | why don't you just point at Nidhoggr |
| 17:21.38 | brlcad | He'd do :) |
| 17:21.54 | patlabor221 | ok so far there is one thing that dosn't have somone looking at it. |
| 17:21.58 | patlabor221 | * .bzf/ on *ix should be a directory with db and cache/ entries |
| 17:21.59 | brlcad | bzg or fiber could as well, if we're pointing fingers :) |
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| 17:22.29 | TyroneFHornigh | fiber isn't around, but he is good with documentation. |
| 17:22.31 | patlabor221 | bzg dosn't have a lot of time IIRC, and fiber is off in tablet land. |
| 17:22.50 | brlcad | hrm, they're both good writers is why I mention them |
| 17:22.59 | larsl | patlabor221: Are you sure nobody is doing that? It's not listed under "nobody is doing this". |
| 17:23.21 | TyroneFHornigh | We just don't know who is looking at it. |
| 17:23.28 | patlabor221 | well I made the "noone is doing this" part |
| 17:23.42 | patlabor221 | yeah we don't know |
| 17:23.53 | patlabor221 | if somone is, they should let us know so we can know. |
| 17:24.05 | patlabor221 | kuz knowing is 0.489 of the battle |
| 17:24.10 | larsl | Maybe we should start using the task tracker on SF. |
| 17:24.18 | larsl | Although SF can be really slow. |
| 17:24.19 | patlabor221 | that would be nice |
| 17:24.25 | patlabor221 | and sometimes non existant |
| 17:25.14 | patlabor221 | I think the other reason to get a release out is so we can get it out, and revamp how we do things |
| 17:25.14 | TyroneFHornigh | That would be one more thing to check. It seems that more communication is available here from the regular contributors. |
| 17:25.35 | TyroneFHornigh | What do you want to revamp? |
| 17:25.46 | patlabor221 | ohh, make a plan |
| 17:26.08 | patlabor221 | all the stuff me and learner talked about in the secret meetings |
| 17:26.16 | TyroneFHornigh | We started with a plan for 1.9/1.10. Some people even have been paying attention to it. |
| 17:26.16 | brlcad | JB, if we don't get time to debug the graphics problem, we should disable the gui option |
| 17:26.24 | patlabor221 | yes we did |
| 17:26.37 | patlabor221 | now to expand upon it |
| 17:26.50 | larsl | We had a plan? |
| 17:26.53 | patlabor221 | basicly conitnuing further down the same line |
| 17:26.58 | patlabor221 | make a "BZ Bible" |
| 17:27.05 | patlabor221 | layout archetecture changes |
| 17:27.17 | brlcad | Long-term vision changes |
| 17:27.21 | patlabor221 | make some people responsible for sections of the code |
| 17:27.21 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:27.26 | patlabor221 | real project stuff |
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| 17:28.27 | patlabor221 | I'd really like to see the code split up into nice modules |
| 17:28.44 | TyroneFHornigh | I'll try to add some more sections to the wipi so we know that we're planning to do it. |
| 17:28.47 | brlcad | lol @ "Bumped Revision to 1 just to show it can be done" |
| 17:28.53 | patlabor221 | then break the game into 2 "games", one that plays the current way, and another that has some new stuff |
| 17:29.01 | patlabor221 | but uses the same engine, and server and backend stuff. |
| 17:29.29 | TyroneFHornigh | It shouldn't be two games, it should be development branch and stable branch. |
| 17:29.49 | patlabor221 | well each would have there own dev and stable |
| 17:30.03 | patlabor221 | but they would all use the same backend |
| 17:30.30 | TyroneFHornigh | Can you write some of this up in the wiki so I understand what you're planning? |
| 17:30.41 | patlabor221 | yes, when it is time |
| 17:30.43 | larsl | Nice, we're at 1.9.1 now. =) |
| 17:30.58 | patlabor221 | tho I'd like to see the layout diagram leaner was working on. |
| 17:31.15 | TyroneFHornigh | It's time, otherwise we'll get to the release and continue along the same sloppy path. |
| 17:31.49 | patlabor221 | well I think we have 3-4 weeks before a release |
| 17:32.07 | larsl | Maybe we could use dia's native format for diagrams? I think dia is available for Windows too. |
| 17:32.20 | patlabor221 | it's not |
| 17:32.23 | patlabor221 | I looked |
| 17:32.29 | patlabor221 | we looked and looked and looked |
| 17:32.32 | larsl | http://hans.breuer.org/dia/ |
| 17:32.32 | brlcad | We could set a date of Oct 1 for release |
| 17:32.37 | patlabor221 | and the looked some more |
| 17:32.47 | patlabor221 | cept for there |
| 17:32.50 | patlabor221 | didn't look there |
| 17:32.51 | larsl | Ah, no binaries. |
| 17:33.11 | larsl | As long as you can build GTK+ on Windows it should be OK. |
| 17:33.11 | patlabor221 | sure there are |
| 17:33.14 | patlabor221 | an installer |
| 17:33.19 | patlabor221 | see where it says "installer" |
| 17:33.28 | larsl | Oh. =) |
| 17:33.33 | patlabor221 | that's what we use |
| 17:33.38 | larsl | I just saw the "Binaries - not anymore". |
| 17:33.40 | patlabor221 | much better then "binarys" |
| 17:34.05 | larsl | Dia can do simple UML - do we need more than that? |
| 17:34.06 | patlabor221 | GTK does blow hard on windows |
| 17:34.32 | brlcad | as well as on Mac |
| 17:34.49 | patlabor221 | illustrator dosn't blow at all |
| 17:35.14 | brlcad | in fact I think they still don't have the gtk/gnome libs working fully yet (last I remember checking) |
| 17:36.07 | patlabor221 | wow does that thing suck |
| 17:36.28 | patlabor221 | we'll do it in illustrator, but provide a PNG for those who are not illustrator enabled |
| 17:36.49 | patlabor221 | and if somone changes the png, we'll just have to make the same changes in the .ai |
| 17:37.00 | patlabor221 | dia just crashes here |
| 17:37.12 | patlabor221 | in a big ugly prompt |
| 17:37.25 | brlcad | Works for me, though we seem to be the "privileged two" as it pertains to illustrator |
| 17:37.34 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:37.41 | brlcad | I'm surprised there aren't more photoshop/illustrator users around |
| 17:37.44 | patlabor221 | well, lets save it as an EPS then |
| 17:37.52 | TyroneFHornigh | Tupone: pat was implying that you're looking at the lan server discovery issue. Since I'm updating the wipi, can I add your name to that item? |
| 17:38.12 | patlabor221 | then at least there may be some otehr apps that could read it ( freehand, corell, etc.. ) |
| 17:38.18 | TimRiker | ~nslookup example.com |
| 17:38.39 | Tupone | yeah, with pleasure |
| 17:39.54 | Tupone | https//sourceforge.net/projects/dia-installer/ |
| 17:40.15 | patlabor221 | yeah, that's what I got, and does it ever suck |
| 17:40.33 | brlcad | yea, that sounds good -- i was even thinking of starting with omni-graffle and importing that into illustrator since it has a slew of diagram symbols to work with and connection facilities |
| 17:41.04 | patlabor221 | then at least we are pretending to be "platform independent" :) |
| 17:41.16 | patlabor221 | that koffice thing says it's supsoed to read em in |
| 17:41.34 | brlcad | yes, as is OODraw |
| 17:41.36 | Tupone | I use dia at work, the previous version, on windows 2000. Seems to work |
| 17:41.59 | patlabor221 | pukes here in XP |
| 17:42.07 | patlabor221 | and EPS should be fine |
| 17:42.35 | larsl | patlabor221: Karbon does not read eps. It's supposed to, but it doesn't work. |
| 17:43.13 | patlabor221 | well somone should fix that :) |
| 17:43.23 | TyroneFHornigh | learner: I'm moving the voting system into the 1.9 changes on the wipi. |
| 17:43.53 | TyroneFHornigh | or at least removing it from the future items. |
| 17:44.11 | patlabor221 | it is implemented, just bugy |
| 17:44.13 | brlcad | sure |
| 17:44.58 | brlcad | I shouldn't have made the switch to track the initial voter list.. it was all working before that :/ |
| 17:46.06 | patlabor221 | yeah but wasn't the old way open to exploit? |
| 17:46.32 | larsl | TyroneFHornigh: While you're at it you can move "bzadmin into main source tree" from misc to next release. |
| 17:46.49 | TyroneFHornigh | sure |
| 17:47.51 | Tupone | x Lan discovery my current approach is to handle only bzfs with default port (5154) |
| 17:47.51 | Tupone | and just not discovering bzfs on non default port |
| 17:47.55 | Tupone | I hope that is enough |
| 17:48.24 | larsl | Seems reasonable. |
| 17:48.40 | patlabor221 | yeah you can't magicaly know what port the other servers are using |
| 17:48.42 | larsl | Unless we want to do a complete portscan on each host in the network. =) |
| 17:49.59 | patlabor221 | then we become a security circumvation tool/tank game |
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| 17:51.05 | TimRiker | Tupone: it is. |
| 17:51.43 | Tupone | OK. I'm quite at the end of my testing. Should be only some other little fixes |
| 17:51.49 | TimRiker | Tupone: should send a udp broadcast and the server should reply with a udp msg |
| 17:52.08 | TimRiker | server reply would be unicast. |
| 17:52.20 | Tupone | Yeah, I implemented in this way |
| 17:52.42 | TimRiker | ping msg should be enhanced to include other fields like bzfls returns, but let's get the discovery working first. |
| 17:53.28 | TimRiker | Should allow more msg types too, ie: there might be a gameinfo and player/team info requests as different msg types. |
| 17:53.50 | Tupone | I think bzfls should be updated too, but I prefer not doing it now. Too compatibility problem, it is serving new and old version |
| 17:53.55 | TimRiker | first bcast request could actually contain multiple msgs at some point. |
| 17:54.19 | patlabor221 | would you be adverse to running 2 BZFLS servers? |
| 17:54.29 | patlabor221 | like if we changed the port later? |
| 17:54.30 | TimRiker | nope. will have to eventually. |
| 17:54.47 | TimRiker | the new one will have karma stuff on it at some point. |
| 17:55.00 | patlabor221 | TyroneFHornigh is multiple list server support on the wipi? |
| 17:55.22 | TyroneFHornigh | no, feel free to add it into the appropriate section. |
| 17:55.29 | patlabor221 | I shall |
| 17:55.58 | patlabor221 | ~wipi |
| 17:56.04 | TimRiker | the 1.7 version does a web request to: http://www.bzflag.org/list-server.txt (not sure the dns name is exact) and that yields: bzflist://208.186.182.172:5156/ which is where the current list server lives. |
| 17:56.41 | patlabor221 | yes, it would be nice if you could have multiple entrys in there and/or supply a list to the app and server |
| 17:56.56 | patlabor221 | then have the client keep a composite list |
| 17:57.23 | TimRiker | probably will move to http://list.bzflag.org:5156/ and have list.bzflag.org resolve to more than one IP. |
| 17:58.12 | TimRiker | client can just use one, but servers will need to resolve the multiples and send updates to each. |
| 17:58.27 | TyroneFHornigh | ibot: wipi is http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress |
| 17:58.27 | | okay, TyroneFHornigh |
| 17:58.33 | TyroneFHornigh | ~wipi |
| 17:58.34 | | extra, extra, read all about it, wipi is http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress |
| 17:58.34 | Chestal | Tupone: I have seen the bots drive through buildings again, although I have been running my modified target position code. But IMHO it shows that somethign is still wrong |
| 17:58.45 | patlabor221 | client shoudl look at all it knows about, it shoudl be able too check them all and only use unique ones |
| 17:58.57 | TimRiker | ~no, wipi is <reply>http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress |
| 17:59.06 | TimRiker | ibot: no, wipi is <reply>http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress |
| 17:59.07 | | okay, TimRiker |
| 17:59.45 | patlabor221 | then if I wanted to run my own "private" leauge, it could use its own list servers, but clients could merge both the normal and the leauge lists |
| 17:59.48 | brlcad | ~wiki |
| 17:59.49 | | i guess wiki is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/HandheldsWiki or http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/ or a user-editable web site, or http://picogui.org/wiki/ |
| 17:59.51 | TimRiker | patlabor221: ugh. that means getting a list from each client will have multiple requests over potentially multiple protocols just to get a list. |
| 18:00.02 | Tupone | Chestal: I know, supposed to be the getDistance I implemented. I stopped workin on, for the time to fix lan discovery |
| 18:00.18 | patlabor221 | a client just knows what servers to check, and it checks them |
| 18:00.22 | patlabor221 | dosn't seem that hard to me |
| 18:00.47 | patlabor221 | then it keeps a list of unique servers that's all |
| 18:00.50 | TimRiker | patlabor221: so the -list would be a multiple entry list? ie: -list http://list.bzflag.org:5156/,http://bzfls.example.com:5156/ ? |
| 18:00.55 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:01.20 | patlabor221 | that way if a server can't get to one list, it will register with another |
| 18:01.23 | patlabor221 | just a backup |
| 18:01.31 | patlabor221 | and it would allow private list servers |
| 18:01.32 | TimRiker | and list.bzflag.org could or could not resolve to multiple addresses? |
| 18:01.44 | patlabor221 | I would still have it return a file |
| 18:01.55 | patlabor221 | with a list of servers |
| 18:02.55 | TimRiker | hmm. having to handle redundancy at multiples levels does not sound like fun. |
| 18:03.17 | patlabor221 | well that's the part that should be speced out to see how "fun" it is :) |
| 18:03.57 | patlabor221 | I've just had times where I can't get to the list server and it seems odd to me that all net play is tied to one machine. |
| 18:04.34 | Chestal | at least we have the cached list |
| 18:04.52 | Chestal | so you should be able to find the common servers |
| 18:04.53 | patlabor221 | yeah, so it's better then it used to be |
| 18:05.06 | patlabor221 | I'm just thinkin outloud |
| 18:05.07 | TimRiker | bzfs could do unicast reply to a bcast request for "find list servers" |
| 18:05.19 | TimRiker | course then you need a bzfs on each ethernet trunk. |
| 18:05.27 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 18:06.03 | TyroneFHornigh | Chestal: Are you working on the directory TODO item? |
| 18:06.25 | Chestal | directory? |
| 18:06.32 | TimRiker | re internal bzfls servers... ie: ibzfls. how would one discover them to add to the list? |
| 18:07.02 | TimRiker | at least the bcast discovery would not include every client having to be modified. |
| 18:07.05 | TyroneFHornigh | Moving the .bzflag preferences into a separate directory on Unix systems |
| 18:07.14 | TimRiker | perhaps we need a bzfls dhcp field? ;-) |
| 18:07.33 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: that's caches and config... right? |
| 18:07.42 | Chestal | Tyrone: ah, hmm, should be easy, I haven't looked at the current file layout at all and what we want |
| 18:07.58 | TyroneFHornigh | It looks like it from the TODO item, but that's all the spec I have. |
| 18:08.08 | patlabor221 | TimRiker that's what we think it is, the todo item is short |
| 18:08.47 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: well I'm the one that added it to the TODO. ;-) need any more info? |
| 18:09.01 | TyroneFHornigh | Yeah, who's implementing it? |
| 18:09.11 | patlabor221 | we know, we've been waiting for you to poke your head out :) |
| 18:09.35 | TyroneFHornigh | It helps if you hide the axe behind your back, pat. ;^) |
| 18:09.38 | TimRiker | 1.7 uses .bzflag as a file, so I'd like to avoid that.... I was thinking a ~/.bzf/ with config, cache and perhaps servercache.txt or some such. |
| 18:10.00 | patlabor221 | are there still usses with it? |
| 18:10.08 | Chestal | it has always been using .bzflag.<hostname> for me, but I understand it does not always do so? |
| 18:10.11 | patlabor221 | I don't use an axe |
| 18:10.16 | patlabor221 | more of a sword man myself |
| 18:10.28 | TyroneFHornigh | That's harder to hide. |
| 18:10.44 | patlabor221 | depends where you hide it |
| 18:10.50 | Chestal | you could swallow it |
| 18:10.57 | patlabor221 | they fit nicely in cakes |
| 18:10.59 | patlabor221 | gack |
| 18:11.02 | patlabor221 | canes |
| 18:11.11 | patlabor221 | that sword is busted |
| 18:11.19 | TimRiker | busted? |
| 18:11.57 | patlabor221 | narsil was busted, tho depends on the timeframe you got it from |
| 18:12.02 | Nidhoggr | hrm... interesting thought... when a bzfls server starts, it registers with wherever dns is for bzflag.org, and adds to the round robin of list.bzflag.org, and then it queries that dns, and checks in with one of them for the current list? |
| 18:12.13 | TimRiker | patlabor221: ah. yeah. ;-) mine is pre-busting. |
| 18:12.28 | patlabor221 | or post fixing |
| 18:12.40 | patlabor221 | the post fixed one is better, all elfified :) |
| 18:12.45 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: I don't think we want to handle N list servers. |
| 18:13.00 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 18:13.06 | TimRiker | karma/user sync will only be on trusted servers. |
| 18:13.13 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:13.33 | TimRiker | though I suppose I could script server.bzflag.org to include all the currently listed game servers. ;-) |
| 18:13.53 | Nidhoggr | maybe have it set up to be servers that are 24/7 and trusted. |
| 18:13.53 | TimRiker | so connecting to server.bzflag.org would get a random public server. |
| 18:14.06 | Nidhoggr | oh, cool idea. |
| 18:14.16 | patlabor221 | I'm still not convinced tying user/karma to the list server is the best way to do it |
| 18:15.14 | brlcad | I'm still a proponent of some underlying communication network ala p2p or irc |
| 18:15.21 | TyroneFHornigh | So who is on the hook for the cache/config move into a separate directory? |
| 18:15.25 | patlabor221 | there may be cases wher you want to use a difrent userbase/karmabase then the normal servers |
| 18:15.25 | TimRiker | patlabor221: start fromt he old end. if there is a user/karma/group/clan server, should it/they be the list server(s)? |
| 18:15.44 | TimRiker | s/old/other/ |
| 18:15.51 | TyroneFHornigh | Let's add rendezvous into bzflag to do local discovery. ;^) |
| 18:16.16 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: anyone that wants it. |
| 18:16.24 | patlabor221 | well you could run DB server on the same host as the list server by convention, and have that allways be the default and get the same effect. |
| 18:16.38 | TimRiker | should be easy to do, just changing some fixed paths. no conversion at this point. |
| 18:16.46 | patlabor221 | but then also allow a server to specify it's own DB servers and still be listed in the main game list serv |
| 18:17.17 | patlabor221 | I could see a leauge wanting to use it's own user DB at least |
| 18:18.38 | TimRiker | patlabor221: I doubt we'll get multiple db servers, I expect well have different user groups within the community at some point and Someone will be the maintainer. I expect leagues/clans will be similar so it would be possible to say "all members of the bzcop group/clan/league/etc" are admins on my server. |
| 18:19.10 | Tupone | Someone here could join my server, 2C if again its ok with public server? before releasing! |
| 18:19.12 | patlabor221 | that's one way to see it, but it could be very difrent |
| 18:19.33 | TimRiker | or for your example... only members of the clans/groups a,b,c,d,f can login to this server. |
| 18:19.35 | patlabor221 | to me that seems a bit short sighted |
| 18:19.52 | patlabor221 | yeah but who maintains the database |
| 18:20.12 | patlabor221 | if a leauge wants to be able to maintian there users, and it's a centeral DB they may not have acess to that |
| 18:20.20 | patlabor221 | and it's again tying it all to one machine. |
| 18:20.39 | TimRiker | patlabor221: the community. ;-) users are maintained by themselves and the core team. groups by whoever wants to create a group. (ie league/clan/admin) |
| 18:21.02 | patlabor221 | I'd like to see a more detailed spec of it. |
| 18:21.07 | TimRiker | well, I'd like to see that data replicated on at least 2 servers. |
| 18:21.21 | TimRiker | but no more than say 4. |
| 18:21.35 | patlabor221 | it's making it more the "everquest" router, as oposed to the "UT" or "Subspace" route. |
| 18:22.18 | patlabor221 | I rather liked how subspace did it. |
| 18:22.40 | patlabor221 | and the games present longevity is a testament to that good design in my opion :) |
| 18:22.55 | TimRiker | true to some degree. but I think karma and user trust will only work well with a central database. And I've not come up with something that needs more than groups on top of that. |
| 18:23.26 | TimRiker | how did subspace sync between servers? |
| 18:23.40 | patlabor221 | each leauge ran it's own user server |
| 18:23.52 | patlabor221 | each game server refrenced that one user server |
| 18:23.58 | patlabor221 | but it was allways up to each leauge |
| 18:24.09 | TimRiker | so your username was not valid on any other league servers, yes? |
| 18:24.11 | patlabor221 | there were some servers that were there own "free for all" server |
| 18:24.14 | patlabor221 | no it was not |
| 18:24.40 | patlabor221 | basicly it was supporting a number of difrent "comunitys" within the same game system |
| 18:24.49 | patlabor221 | as it had a lot of game mods |
| 18:24.58 | TimRiker | yeah. I'd like multiple "groups" within the same community. |
| 18:25.01 | patlabor221 | but then there user base is much larger then BZ |
| 18:25.25 | patlabor221 | we'll have to see how it goes. |
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| 18:27.23 | TimRiker | well, there's nothing stopping folks from running a different bzfls server network now, but I'd like to allow as much liberty as possible in the exiting community to avoid splintering it. |
| 18:27.43 | patlabor221 | me too |
| 18:28.11 | TimRiker | other than nick colisions and ban issues, groups work fine. |
| 18:28.27 | TimRiker | nick colisions are just a way of life in a central community. |
| 18:29.09 | TimRiker | ban issues might bear discussion. in mu thoughts, there is no "ban", just karma. |
| 18:29.12 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: Feel like having another admin for xmission? |
| 18:30.17 | TimRiker | so the admin can ban at below karma n but then allow any "foo group" users in. this effectively removes the global "ban effect" for any clan member and puts it back in the hands of the clan/group administration. |
| 18:30.52 | TimRiker | too late. |
| 18:31.54 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: so rendezvous in the jxta context? bzflag as a jxta network? ;-) |
| 18:32.31 | TyroneFHornigh | rendezvous is the Apple name for their service discovery protocol. ;^) |
| 18:33.10 | patlabor221 | is it "difrent" ? |
| 18:33.10 | TyroneFHornigh | There are open source implementations of course. |
| 18:33.53 | TyroneFHornigh | The fact that it's available, and working is "different" ;^) |
| 18:33.54 | TimRiker | probably "Think Differnt" |
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| 18:34.04 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: Sorry, if you replied I missed it. |
| 18:34.08 | patlabor221 | good difrent or bad difrent? |
| 18:34.44 | brlcad | rendezvous is zeroconf: http://www.zeroconf.org/ |
| 18:34.52 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: iirc it assumes it can bcast locate local peers which would not work in bzflag all the time. |
| 18:35.24 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: |tim|'s called me in whenever there's been a cheater or a TK or similar, and seems like a reasonably good person otherwise. |
| 18:35.29 | brlcad | at least, it's apple's implementation of zeroconf |
| 18:35.46 | TimRiker | ElectricElf: fine with me. hand on the pwd and keep me posted. |
| 18:35.48 | TyroneFHornigh | Only for the local servers, which is what the TODO item was referring to. It wouldn't work for the multiple remote servers under discussion. |
| 18:35.53 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: Will do. |
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| 18:36.24 | TimRiker | I've talked to |tim| here, and I agree. seems level headed. other than being named tim, I have no issues with him. (jk) |
| 18:36.29 | patlabor221 | heh, I wonder if this will ever hapen in real life, http://www.pvponline.com/ |
| 18:37.09 | TimRiker | patlabor221: I've seen it happen actually. ;-) |
| 18:37.16 | patlabor221 | heh |
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| 18:37.47 | ElectricElf | God damnit. |
| 18:37.57 | ElectricElf | One of my tab-completion scripts dies badly on |<tab> |
| 18:38.18 | TimRiker | heh |
| 18:38.27 | TimRiker | oh, but tone down the language... |
| 18:38.36 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: Here or on xmission? |
| 18:38.48 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: (I noticed badwords was re-enabled :) |
| 18:39.54 | TimRiker | ElectricElf: comment was about here. <ElectricElf> God damnit. |
| 18:39.58 | tea|tree_ | ~d |
| 18:40.05 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: Allrightey. |
| 18:41.06 | TimRiker | so can we adjust gravity on the fly in 1.9 yet? ;-) |
| 18:41.13 | larsl_food | Yup. |
| 18:41.21 | TimRiker | sweet. |
| 18:41.24 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: Good that you re-enabled badwords on xmission if you're not liking colloquialisms :) |
| 18:41.46 | ElectricElf | (Okay, "colloquialisms" was bad, but I refuse to use the term "bad words" :) |
| 18:41.59 | TimRiker | heh. |
| 18:43.08 | larsl | I can do the ~/.bzf thing if nobody else is working on it. |
| 18:43.39 | larsl | Is anybody working on it? |
| 18:44.00 | TimRiker | not that I'm aware of. go for it. |
| 18:44.12 | larsl | OK. |
| 18:44.13 | TimRiker | where does the cache live on win/mac ? |
| 18:44.37 | TimRiker | and the config too for that matter. |
| 18:44.48 | TimRiker | and the server cache... sheesh. ;-) |
| 18:45.41 | patlabor221 | noone has notified any of us |
| 18:45.49 | patlabor221 | I put who I know was doing what in the todo |
| 18:51.17 | larsl | bzflag looks for the environment variable HOST for the hostname (to add it to the config file name), but some Linux systems seem to have the hostname in the variable HOSTNAME instead, so the hostname isn't included in the filename on those systems. Is that a bug? |
| 18:55.21 | TimRiker | probably. it should look for ~/.bzf/config.<hostname> first, then ~/.bzf/config and save to the same name. ie: it should not create ~/.bzf/config.<hostname> |
| 18:55.30 | TimRiker | I'm sure there are bugs in the system at present. |
| 18:56.43 | brlcad | why not keep the same name of .bzflag and just make it a directory? |
| 18:56.51 | larsl | Wow, there's lots of stuff in here that I've never seen before. |
| 18:57.02 | larsl | CMDMGR, FILEMGR, KEYMGR, BZDB |
| 18:57.17 | patlabor221 | that's the stuff that was moved over from 1.8 |
| 18:58.22 | larsl | brlcad: That would be tricky for people who want to use both 1.7 and 1.10. |
| 18:58.48 | TimRiker | brlcad: cause then your 1.7 versions will break. |
| 18:59.17 | patlabor221 | so make it .bzflag110 a dir |
| 18:59.27 | TimRiker | then 1.12 will have issues. |
| 18:59.43 | patlabor221 | do you want one dir, with stuff for each version in side it? |
| 18:59.52 | patlabor221 | newer versions are going to add stuff |
| 18:59.58 | TimRiker | and bzfs/bzfls will likely be dropping stuff there at some point, so .bzf seems to make sense. |
| 19:00.35 | TimRiker | if they change stuff, then new versions will add stuff. user will have to clean at some point. |
| 19:00.42 | brlcad | It should be possible to make it do both -- if .bzflag is a file -- do what we do right now; if it's a directory, load the contained "config" file, and "keymap" file, etc etc etc |
| 19:01.00 | TimRiker | rpm -Uhv ... could clean them if it wants to... but probably never will. |
| 19:01.31 | TimRiker | brlcad: more hassle than it's worth and see my bzfls/bzfs comments. |
| 19:01.45 | patlabor221 | or when a new version is installed it could get the last condfig, make a copy and update it with new defaults just for stuff that changed/new |
| 19:02.38 | patlabor221 | a user should not have to do anything with a text file just to play a game, that would be odd. |
| 19:02.41 | brlcad | How keen are people to getting a new look for the main website -- /me thinks it needs a more game-oriented style |
| 19:03.09 | patlabor221 | what you don't like my tanky? |
| 19:03.17 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:03.50 | brlcad | the header is fine, it's the rest of the page |
| 19:04.13 | brlcad | it looks like a quick hand-job |
| 19:04.22 | brlcad | (no pun intended) |
| 19:04.25 | TimRiker | brlcad: seriously... updates are fine. it must work with all conceivable browsers. no java. not reply on javascript. work without css. etc. |
| 19:04.45 | brlcad | the only way to fly |
| 19:05.45 | TimRiker | wiki should feel integral to site (like http://bzflag.org/wiki/OtherLinks) etc. |
| 19:05.52 | brlcad | So some java applet flash player embedded in a frame that must run at 320x200 on windows is no good? *sigh* </sarcasm> |
| 19:06.20 | TimRiker | much rather have code updates than web site updates though. including central karma support which might be php/web code even. |
| 19:07.02 | brlcad | Oh, I'm not saying I'll do anything anytime soon. I just wanted to know if I could.. :) |
| 19:07.29 | brlcad | rather, if anyone could even |
| 19:07.50 | patlabor221 | it is very hard to tell if bzflag is agame at a glance |
| 19:08.03 | brlcad | Wha?? It's a game?! |
| 19:08.36 | patlabor221 | that's what I hear |
| 19:10.48 | patlabor221 | we don't even have a screen shot on the main page |
| 19:11.20 | patlabor221 | does SF have php? |
| 19:11.56 | Nidhoggr | dunno... but it's been eating some pcp lately. |
| 19:12.19 | larsl | patlabor221: Yes. |
| 19:12.22 | patlabor221 | I could see the BZ site having much of the same info as this page |
| 19:12.23 | patlabor221 | http://tribes2.sierra.com/ |
| 19:13.02 | patlabor221 | it would be nice if it coudl use a news script as well |
| 19:13.09 | brlcad | yes that has a much better style |
| 19:13.19 | patlabor221 | tho I'm not keen on the black |
| 19:13.28 | brlcad | still a bit busy for my taste, but the unreal one was much worse |
| 19:13.47 | patlabor221 | well the unreal one is a gamespy site, they love to do that |
| 19:14.01 | patlabor221 | here you can tell it's a game right off the bat |
| 19:14.17 | brlcad | Yea, the black is a bit dark-toned; I can go either way |
| 19:14.30 | patlabor221 | bbiab |
| 19:14.57 | brlcad | You can have a lot more fun with black with the layout and graphics, though |
| 19:21.26 | Tupone | cvs commit src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx src/net/multicast.cxx -- hope it does not break anything at least |
| 19:21.40 | Tupone | human CIA :) |
| 19:32.48 | patlabor221 | perhaps we could get a CIA to run on like Nidhoggr's server or something |
| 19:33.09 | *** join/#bzflag sn0w_m0nkey (~sn0w_m0nk@photon.health.unm.edu) |
| 19:33.26 | sn0w_m0nkey | nhi |
| 19:33.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | bryjen are you here |
| 19:34.02 | bryjen | yeah |
| 19:34.17 | sn0w_m0nkey | was that your map design last night? |
| 19:34.40 | sn0w_m0nkey | wondering if its available |
| 19:34.44 | bryjen | errr, probly not. i've been trying some different ones |
| 19:35.01 | sn0w_m0nkey | shellshock has it? |
| 19:35.09 | bryjen | or bzbb |
| 19:35.17 | sn0w_m0nkey | cool tnx |
| 19:35.37 | brlcad | hiy m0nkey |
| 19:35.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | nhi brlcad |
| 19:35.57 | brlcad | nheh |
| 19:36.01 | sn0w_m0nkey | uhh "hi" |
| 19:36.05 | sn0w_m0nkey | nhehe |
| 19:36.31 | sn0w_m0nkey | you know your a bzjunkie when you say "nhi" in real life |
| 19:37.07 | patlabor221 | perhaps "send all" should be "enter" |
| 19:39.23 | *** join/#bzflag tea|tree_ (~tea|tree@pD9E95036.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:00.07 | larsl | Bah, I get off to answer the phone and when I get back xmission is full. |
| 20:11.28 | patlabor221 | but then it will conflivct with my "baking Zone" game :) |
| 20:12.52 | TimRiker | brlcad: bzf is fairly unique where .bz might be thought to be bzip2 or similar. |
| 20:13.07 | TimRiker | hence my recommendation as .bzf |
| 20:13.14 | brlcad | hrm, true |
| 20:13.19 | patlabor221 | ahhh there is ballance in the universe again, HaloPC has gone gold |
| 20:13.26 | TimRiker | cause most bzf apps start with bzf |
| 20:13.35 | brlcad | altough bzip/bzip2 use no such file/dir it could be mistaken |
| 20:13.54 | TimRiker | Battle Zone capture the Flag. hmm .bzctf ? ugh. |
| 20:14.43 | brlcad | I don't know why I'm so concerned, mac uses something entirely different altogether |
| 20:15.14 | patlabor221 | heh yeah I slap it all in the "my documents" folder |
| 20:15.22 | TyroneFHornigh | The mac config files are in ~/.bzflag |
| 20:15.30 | brlcad | bzf just doesn't convey bzflag to me any more than bz |
| 20:15.30 | patlabor221 | tho should probably make a "my bzflag files" in there |
| 20:16.09 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-209-1-16-229.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:17.49 | brlcad | JB: true true -- I jumped my own smoking gun |
| 20:18.19 | TyroneFHornigh | Where do you think the cache file is kept? ;^) |
| 20:18.33 | brlcad | it "should" probably be located in ~/Library/Preferences/org.bzflag.plist .. |
| 20:19.03 | brlcad | or ~/Library/Preferences/org.bzflag.prefs.plist .. |
| 20:19.46 | TyroneFHornigh | A pointer to the file should probably be kept there, but not the file itself |
| 20:20.20 | TyroneFHornigh | unless we make a bzf directory in there. ;^P |
| 20:21.41 | brlcad | yea, perhaps not too |
| 20:21.46 | TyroneFHornigh | How about "Library/Application Support/.bzf" |
| 20:21.47 | brlcad | you can tell how much I've thought about this |
| 20:22.25 | brlcad | the dot shortnamedencoding grates against the directory structure if we shove it there |
| 20:22.55 | brlcad | Library/Application\ Support/BZFlag is already there to use for non-pref stuff |
| 20:23.37 | TyroneFHornigh | The final directory name doesn't make any difference. We can call it "Libary/Application Support/BZFlag" or ~/.bzf and it will work just fine without causing the users undue hardship. |
| 20:34.43 | patlabor221 | can we call it Farvicnugen? |
| 20:35.15 | Nidhoggr | Farklesnarkle |
| 20:35.16 | TyroneFHornigh | Sure, but that might annoy the users who didn't buy their VW ipod. ;^) |
| 20:35.47 | Nidhoggr | I bought my vw before the big ipod craze. :( maybe I should go make them give me an ipod. :) |
| 20:37.57 | Nidhoggr | I wonder if my mac sound issue with bzflag have to do with the fact that I'm using USB speakers. |
| 20:38.13 | Nidhoggr | I should test with headphones and turn off the usb speakers. |
| 20:39.02 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-209-1-16-229.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:39.13 | TyroneFHornigh | I thought I had tested that and found it was the same on an ibook. |
| 20:39.29 | Nidhoggr | was the sound bad, too? |
| 20:39.41 | patlabor221 | Team is a char right? |
| 20:39.43 | Nidhoggr | hrm.. I bet I know what the problem is. |
| 20:39.50 | TyroneFHornigh | It was uneven as if it was coming in waves. |
| 20:40.05 | Nidhoggr | ibook and my mac both use an ATI video card. something to do with their opengl stuff. |
| 20:40.24 | larsl | patlabor221: TeamColor is an enum, I don't know the size. |
| 20:40.27 | Nidhoggr | yeah, that's exactly what was happening. |
| 20:40.28 | larsl | Probably not defined. |
| 20:41.58 | TyroneFHornigh | It was related mostly to your site as well, I don't notice it on most sites. |
| 20:47.23 | Nidhoggr | I noticed it on a number of sites. |
| 20:48.09 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: I have/use usb speakers with no problems |
| 20:48.31 | Tupone | somebody as tried my LanDiscovery fixes on Windows/MAC |
| 20:48.36 | Nidhoggr | what vid card you have brlcad? |
| 20:48.47 | brlcad | Radeon |
| 20:49.02 | Nidhoggr | how is bzflag on your mac? |
| 20:49.10 | brlcad | no problems |
| 20:49.14 | brlcad | other than the display bug |
| 20:49.18 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 20:49.40 | Nidhoggr | I have a dual proc 500mhz with a radeon, and I have to turn all the video effects off to get 20 fps. |
| 20:49.46 | Nidhoggr | and the sound sucks. |
| 20:49.47 | Nidhoggr | bad/ |
| 20:50.32 | patlabor221 | where is the team kill check? |
| 20:50.46 | brlcad | we have the same box |
| 20:52.12 | brlcad | that's rather odd |
| 20:52.15 | TyroneFHornigh | Which map are you playing? Some maps will kill the performance. |
| 20:52.18 | Nidhoggr | what radeon you have? |
| 20:52.47 | patlabor221 | ahh it's checkHit() not gotBlowedUp() |
| 20:52.51 | brlcad | stock that shipped with the "Gigabit" model |
| 20:53.09 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: yes, maps make a *big* difference |
| 20:53.11 | Nidhoggr | I bought mine later. |
| 20:53.13 | brlcad | how's ducati for you |
| 20:53.45 | Nidhoggr | haven't tried in a while. I'm not at home, so I can't test it. |
| 20:54.01 | brlcad | Another problem/issue is that bz is single threaded making our boxes effectively run at half-speed |
| 20:54.09 | brlcad | on complex maps, we are highly cpu-bound |
| 20:54.09 | Nidhoggr | true |
| 20:54.29 | Nidhoggr | that's probably something to do with it. still wouldn't explain my sound issues. |
| 20:55.04 | brlcad | I could see sound sucking if you have < 20fps for the same reason -- starving the processor |
| 20:55.14 | Nidhoggr | true. |
| 20:55.34 | Nidhoggr | so my bottleneck is processor, not video card, which is why I bought a new vid card in the first place. :( |
| 20:55.50 | brlcad | bottleneck is single-threaded code ;) |
| 20:55.59 | Nidhoggr | true |
| 20:56.00 | Nidhoggr | still |
| 20:56.06 | Nidhoggr | I want a new mac. :) |
| 20:56.10 | brlcad | yea, sucks |
| 20:56.14 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:56.20 | Nidhoggr | actually, i was considering ibook or powerbook. |
| 20:56.22 | brlcad | How much memory do you have? |
| 20:56.27 | Nidhoggr | a gig |
| 20:56.36 | brlcad | well, it's not that then :) |
| 20:56.40 | Nidhoggr | nope :) |
| 20:57.06 | TyroneFHornigh | I want a new mac too, do you know someone who wants to hire a mac/unix systems programmer so I can justify buying one? |
| 20:57.28 | brlcad | Did you get the model that still let you shove 2gb in before they dropped the slots down to 3? |
| 20:57.39 | Nidhoggr | I can only put a gig in. |
| 20:57.40 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 20:57.50 | brlcad | wha? |
| 20:58.00 | brlcad | the limit should either be 1.5 or 2 .. |
| 20:58.07 | Nidhoggr | it's prolly 1.5 then |
| 20:58.08 | brlcad | 3 slots or 4 |
| 20:58.11 | Nidhoggr | 3 |
| 20:58.16 | brlcad | ah, 1.5 then :) |
| 20:58.48 | Nidhoggr | I figure I could get a powerbook, but the price is a lot higher than the ibook |
| 20:59.03 | brlcad | I want a dual G5 |
| 20:59.08 | Nidhoggr | and if I got the powerbook, I'd want the superdrive. |
| 20:59.27 | Nidhoggr | I"m yearning for portability. my current laptop is a bit out of date. |
| 20:59.27 | brlcad | It's hard holding back -- since I don't "strictly _need_ it" right now.. |
| 20:59.46 | Nidhoggr | I do a lot of media work. |
| 20:59.53 | Nidhoggr | photos, movies, etc. |
| 20:59.59 | brlcad | my dual500 has treated me very very well |
| 21:00.07 | Nidhoggr | same here. |
| 21:00.09 | brlcad | same here |
| 21:00.14 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:00.16 | Nidhoggr | encoding times for DVDs is a bit slow, though. |
| 21:01.23 | brlcad | I don't have that luxury still/yet, but I do deal with a lot of 1+gb sized images and small video manipulation |
| 21:01.46 | TyroneFHornigh | My current laptop is a 466 G3 clamshell. Luckily the battery hasn't died yet. |
| 21:02.31 | brlcad | I think that's the same model that Aaron Hillegass still uses |
| 21:03.01 | brlcad | actually ran faster, and it felt faster, than some of the newer notebooks |
| 21:03.56 | larsl | Does OSX have stat() and mkdir()? |
| 21:03.56 | brlcad | btw, I'd highly recommend his training courses to anyone looking for Cocoa training |
| 21:04.19 | brlcad | yes to stat, I dunno about mkdir |
| 21:04.26 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
| 21:04.34 | TyroneFHornigh | and also creat() and socket() ... |
| 21:04.35 | Nidhoggr | my current laptop is a p3 366 with 128 mb of ram and a 9 gig drive. it has an 11" screen and weighs 3 lbs. |
| 21:05.45 | Nidhoggr | it's gotten a lot of use and deserves to be retired. :) |
| 21:05.45 | brlcad | mkdir is listed in sys/stat.h, so I'm guessing it does |
| 21:06.05 | TyroneFHornigh | It's a standard Unix system call. |
| 21:06.49 | brlcad | retire it?? bah.. I still use my trusty vaio 505g (pentium 200 mmx) :) |
| 21:07.23 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:07.32 | Nidhoggr | It still gets a lot of use. |
| 21:07.43 | Nidhoggr | the fan is a little noisy for me. |
| 21:08.05 | brlcad | course I say that and I just turned down one of the new 17"ers |
| 21:08.09 | Nidhoggr | it's great to take to starbucks and get on their wifi |
| 21:08.23 | Nidhoggr | what's wrong with you!?! :) |
| 21:09.12 | brlcad | hehe -- i also have a Ti 800, I'd rather get a new dual g5 :D |
| 21:09.25 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 21:09.58 | brlcad | but I do still use my trusty vaio :) |
| 21:10.08 | brlcad | running bzflag on it sucks :) |
| 21:10.20 | brlcad | i think i get about 2fps |
| 21:10.42 | brlcad | at the smallest res you can make it |
| 21:10.56 | captain_proton | mkdir() is posix |
| 21:10.59 | patlabor221 | what do you think the proto version should be 10902 or 1.9.02 ? |
| 21:11.09 | captain_proton | 1.9.2 |
| 21:11.15 | brlcad | 1.9.2 |
| 21:11.16 | patlabor221 | cap is the man |
| 21:11.25 | patlabor221 | thy will is done |
| 21:11.33 | patlabor221 | cus if this works, I'm bustin it :) |
| 21:11.34 | brlcad | hi cappy |
| 21:11.40 | brlcad | how's navi? |
| 21:11.48 | captain_proton | coming along |
| 21:11.54 | captain_proton | we managed to recover parts of the raid |
| 21:11.57 | patlabor221 | what happend to the poor thing? |
| 21:12.07 | brlcad | we miss cia (not that you haven't heard that enough) :) |
| 21:12.36 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-132-121.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 21:12.38 | captain_proton | instead of making a new array, mkraid decided to pull two disks out of the existing array and start erasing them |
| 21:12.49 | patlabor221 | ohh damn |
| 21:12.58 | brlcad | You did make backups, I hope :) |
| 21:13.07 | captain_proton | brlcad: backups of 439GB of data? |
| 21:13.13 | brlcad | yes |
| 21:13.18 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:13.28 | Carnage | is anyone know all the commands to set up a ctf server? |
| 21:13.30 | TyroneFHornigh | It's always fun to have the younger generation telling me about posix, especially the original specification. ;^) |
| 21:13.37 | patlabor221 | I have I mentioned that we have a good deal on a DVD-RW :) |
| 21:13.49 | brlcad | you are not worthy to house that much data if you don't have the capacity to back it up somehow! (j/h/k) :) |
| 21:13.53 | captain_proton | patlabor221: how much/disk? |
| 21:13.57 | patlabor221 | carnage all you really need is -c and -fb |
| 21:14.23 | patlabor221 | we have a 4x -R burner for 130ish |
| 21:14.25 | Carnage | nno for the time command how did chestal get players to do /countdown without being admin? |
| 21:14.37 | patlabor221 | they register |
| 21:14.47 | patlabor221 | do a /register then a /idenitfy |
| 21:14.56 | patlabor221 | it's /register yourpassword |
| 21:15.06 | Carnage | hmm. |
| 21:15.09 | patlabor221 | then /identify yourpassword |
| 21:15.19 | brlcad | then they are added to the proper group in his groups file |
| 21:15.23 | patlabor221 | I think he set it so that regersterdd people can do a /countdown |
| 21:15.33 | patlabor221 | or he may have made a group |
| 21:15.46 | brlcad | yea, he has several groups |
| 21:15.47 | Carnage | he had it before he had registered players |
| 21:16.00 | patlabor221 | then he did a server hack |
| 21:16.02 | patlabor221 | and I dono |
| 21:16.14 | brlcad | He's a crazy monkey sometimes |
| 21:16.18 | Carnage | so did quol and bzg and there away |
| 21:16.19 | patlabor221 | he could have give the perm to everyone |
| 21:16.25 | patlabor221 | then just do the command |
| 21:17.10 | brlcad | Hi Carnage, btw |
| 21:17.29 | Carnage | hi learner |
| 21:18.04 | Nidhoggr | hrm. a lot of offensive callsigns/bad language today. |
| 21:18.44 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: I'm impressed at your admin actually consulting the word list to determine he was swearing in polish! :) |
| 21:18.53 | Nidhoggr | he's a great guy. |
| 21:19.05 | patlabor221 | but that other guys says he sucks :) |
| 21:19.22 | Nidhoggr | he sucks if you're a cheater/abuser :) |
| 21:19.41 | sn0w_m0nkey | Carnage do you need someone to start countdown still? |
| 21:20.12 | captain_proton | hmm, /me realizes he has an exam in 40 some minutes |
| 21:20.18 | Nidhoggr | eek |
| 21:20.19 | creeperz | Anyone know where I can get a cheap CD burner? |
| 21:20.22 | brlcad | Carnage, I do know that Chestal presently has groups set up, you have to at least be in the referee group to start a match iirc |
| 21:20.33 | Nidhoggr | creeperz, where you live? |
| 21:20.43 | creeperz | South Dakota |
| 21:20.48 | Nidhoggr | cd-rws have come way down in price. |
| 21:20.53 | Nidhoggr | www.pricewatch.com |
| 21:21.01 | creeperz | But I r broke |
| 21:21.10 | Nidhoggr | www.pricewatch.com :) |
| 21:22.12 | larsl | Committed code that stores the Linux config file in .bzf/config and the cache data in .bzf/cache/. Used some #ifdefs, would be nice if people could test it on different platforms to make sure that it still works. |
| 21:22.22 | Nidhoggr | they are as low as about 40 bucks. |
| 21:22.39 | patlabor221 | Just busted protocoll :) |
| 21:23.56 | patlabor221 | you won't get a TK now if you change teams and have shots in the air. |
| 21:24.14 | brlcad | cool |
| 21:24.30 | patlabor221 | so that's only 3 things left on the list |
| 21:24.44 | brlcad | So I could shoot at a base, and rejoin in time to kill myself now! sweet :) |
| 21:24.59 | Tupone | I'd prefer to disable changing team for a while, after exiting |
| 21:25.02 | brlcad | that could be a new artform :) |
| 21:25.25 | Tupone | Some time enemy change team just to shoot |
| 21:25.26 | patlabor221 | well when you leave and come back, you are a difrent player, so you could do that before |
| 21:25.29 | brlcad | Tupone: that has been discussed .. a configurable timeout |
| 21:25.39 | patlabor221 | this is like when you change by dying or some other reason ( rabbit ) |
| 21:27.05 | patlabor221 | why do I even bother to build bzfls on windows ?:) |
| 21:30.48 | creeperz | Anyone have any old USB 2.0 ports they don't have use for? :-) |
| 21:30.49 | brlcad | Hrm.. something else to hack on tonight.. configurable timeout in the server.. |
| 21:31.03 | creeperz | Preferably a PCI card |
| 21:31.33 | patlabor221 | ummm how else would they come? |
| 21:31.44 | creeperz | I don't know |
| 21:31.51 | creeperz | In a spray bottle? |
| 21:31.56 | Nidhoggr | pcmcia :) |
| 21:32.00 | Nidhoggr | on toast |
| 21:32.01 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:32.04 | patlabor221 | usb cards are cheap |
| 21:32.11 | creeperz | $60 |
| 21:32.33 | Nidhoggr | creeperz... did you see.. about 40 bucks for a cd-rw |
| 21:32.36 | Nidhoggr | 12x write. |
| 21:32.43 | creeperz | Yea |
| 21:32.54 | TyroneFHornigh | I just installed USB 2.0 ports on a PCMCIA card. They couldn't keep up with the transfer rate. |
| 21:33.03 | Nidhoggr | figures |
| 21:33.16 | creeperz | I was looking at the $65 Samsung combo drive |
| 21:33.28 | Nidhoggr | not bad |
| 21:33.30 | brlcad | Interesting pat.. so we're already incrementing the version number.. |
| 21:33.39 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:33.41 | TyroneFHornigh | I finally have a test setup for analyzing USB traffic. |
| 21:33.50 | patlabor221 | USB 2.0 PCI card $8 |
| 21:33.56 | creeperz | Where? |
| 21:34.04 | patlabor221 | ohh no it's 1.1 |
| 21:34.11 | creeperz | Oh :-) |
| 21:34.12 | patlabor221 | what device do you have thats 2.0 |
| 21:34.20 | captain_proton | yay for usb |
| 21:34.20 | creeperz | A joystick |
| 21:34.31 | patlabor221 | and it NEEDS 2.0 |
| 21:34.33 | captain_proton | scanline just ordered samples of the chips we need for our usb video switch |
| 21:34.34 | patlabor221 | that makes no sense |
| 21:34.42 | patlabor221 | plug it into 1.1 it'll work |
| 21:34.42 | creeperz | Sorry |
| 21:34.43 | captain_proton | a joystick that transfers more than 11mbits? |
| 21:34.47 | patlabor221 | it can't send that much data |
| 21:34.48 | TyroneFHornigh | I would doubt a joystick needs 2.0. I'm using it for a USB traffic analyzer. |
| 21:34.55 | creeperz | Printer |
| 21:34.58 | patlabor221 | still |
| 21:35.04 | creeperz | Yea |
| 21:35.09 | creeperz | But it's a copyer |
| 21:35.13 | patlabor221 | so |
| 21:35.14 | captain_proton | err...10, i think |
| 21:35.18 | patlabor221 | it's backwards compatable |
| 21:35.20 | patlabor221 | plug it in |
| 21:35.25 | patlabor221 | it'll just be slower |
| 21:35.31 | patlabor221 | not like your CPU can keep up anyay |
| 21:35.33 | captain_proton | creeperz: very few devices actually need that bandwidth |
| 21:35.45 | creeperz | I took it to radio shack and had them try to hook it up to all of their 1.1 |
| 21:36.02 | patlabor221 | then you got screwd |
| 21:36.12 | patlabor221 | ok, my bad, USB 2.0 card $9.99 |
| 21:36.12 | patlabor221 | http://www.gearxs.com/gearxs/product_info.php?products_id=1349 |
| 21:36.17 | patlabor221 | I was off by 1.99 |
| 21:36.23 | creeperz | I have a 768 Mhz Celeron |
| 21:36.28 | patlabor221 | yeah, it's slow |
| 21:36.31 | brlcad | good luck cap |
| 21:36.37 | creeperz | For like 5 years old |
| 21:37.08 | patlabor221 | 1) don't trust radio snack, 2) call support for the device. |
| 21:37.21 | creeperz | Alright |
| 21:37.47 | patlabor221 | you probably just don't have proper drivers |
| 21:37.55 | creeperz | Maybe |
| 21:38.41 | creeperz | Wow |
| 21:38.47 | creeperz | It's nice for the money |
| 21:38.53 | patlabor221 | I'm sure it was |
| 21:39.34 | creeperz | 4 external, 1 internal |
| 21:39.36 | patlabor221 | huzah |
| 21:39.39 | patlabor221 | so we have 2 left |
| 21:40.27 | larsl | And people who are working on both of them. |
| 21:40.34 | patlabor221 | don't forget to add it to the changelog |
| 21:40.40 | patlabor221 | yay |
| 21:40.58 | larsl | Ah, right. |
| 21:41.11 | TyroneFHornigh | Between the changelog and the wipi, we should have a good start on the release notes. |
| 21:41.49 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:42.07 | patlabor221 | pehaps you sould compare the 2 and make sure they are each in sync |
| 21:42.08 | Tupone | My part of the TODO is done too Lan Discovery, just need to be tested on non Unix |
| 21:42.24 | patlabor221 | I think we should split that item into 2 |
| 21:42.26 | patlabor221 | 1 was the lan part |
| 21:42.35 | patlabor221 | 2 was the "send more info" part |
| 21:42.41 | patlabor221 | and I think that can be done later |
| 21:42.51 | Tupone | I have done only the last 2 lines |
| 21:42.54 | patlabor221 | cus I want to think about adding more info then even tim says |
| 21:43.04 | patlabor221 | yeah, that's why I say break it out. |
| 21:43.11 | patlabor221 | it's really 2 items |
| 21:43.22 | patlabor221 | the part you did, and the enhancement to send more data |
| 21:43.34 | TyroneFHornigh | Most of the info in the wipi will be deleted after the release. Syncing is necessary for the release notes. |
| 21:43.53 | creeperz | Haha |
| 21:44.05 | creeperz | Someone loan me $10? J/k |
| 21:44.54 | *** join/#bzflag Spiff (Spiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com) |
| 21:45.08 | patlabor221 | just plug it in, or go to #beging_children |
| 21:45.13 | creeperz | Unless someone would actually loan me $10 |
| 21:45.50 | bryjen | if you_have < $10 then go_bug_your_parents; |
| 21:46.16 | creeperz | My whole family's broke there, buddy :-) |
| 21:46.18 | TyroneFHornigh | I didn't see suspicion in the channel. How has he been? |
| 21:46.30 | patlabor221 | or if you understood how USB worked, you would just plug it in. |
| 21:46.44 | Spiff | Great. But he keeps avoiding me.. something about a murder plot? |
| 21:46.47 | patlabor221 | creeperz then why waste money being online. |
| 21:47.02 | creeperz | How am I wasting money? |
| 21:47.02 | Spiff | Why doesn't understand how USB works? :-) |
| 21:47.13 | TyroneFHornigh | Yeah, he's always been a little paranoid. :^) |
| 21:47.23 | patlabor221 | power |
| 21:47.27 | patlabor221 | cable modem |
| 21:47.30 | patlabor221 | those are not free |
| 21:47.40 | Spiff | I guess that's how he's lived so long.. many thousands of years. ;-) |
| 21:47.45 | creeperz | Course not |
| 21:47.58 | patlabor221 | I have never seen a USB 2.0 device that has not worked on 1.1 just at a slower speed |
| 21:48.02 | patlabor221 | that's the entire point of USB |
| 21:48.24 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 21:48.44 | Nidhoggr | actually, some new burners require at least a 2.0 interface for throughput. |
| 21:48.55 | patlabor221 | ok I could see that |
| 21:48.59 | patlabor221 | but not a stick or a printer |
| 21:49.07 | Nidhoggr | nope |
| 21:49.08 | TyroneFHornigh | pat, meet the ellipsys usb tracker. The protocol is the same, but it needs 2.0 for the speed. |
| 21:49.24 | patlabor221 | again, "for speed" is in ther :) |
| 21:49.32 | patlabor221 | those are realtime things |
| 21:49.37 | patlabor221 | and I have never seen them :) |
| 21:49.42 | patlabor221 | what does it track? |
| 21:49.59 | TyroneFHornigh | It tracks USB protocol over 1.1 ;^) |
| 21:50.25 | TyroneFHornigh | 150MB of analysis data for transferring 1.5MB of actual data. |
| 21:50.41 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 21:50.50 | patlabor221 | to like debug devices and stuff? |
| 21:51.02 | TyroneFHornigh | I'll take a picture of it, or you can check it out on the web site. |
| 21:51.27 | TyroneFHornigh | Exactly, for debugging my linux target usb device driver. |
| 21:51.57 | patlabor221 | ohh it's ok, just curious |
| 21:52.04 | patlabor221 | and I can see why it would want 2.0 :) |
| 21:52.30 | TyroneFHornigh | It seems that windows sends a transaction which I don't read correctly. This device lets me see what is actually on the wire so I know where to fix the problem. |
| 21:52.43 | patlabor221 | coo |
| 21:53.01 | patlabor221 | we have a serial port device that is very similar that we use for debuging our serial comunications |
| 21:53.01 | Tupone | Houston, we've got a problem. |
| 21:53.09 | patlabor221 | since we have to talk to tape punch machines |
| 21:54.40 | Tupone | After commit bot does not shoot any more, just they do poof |
| 21:54.58 | patlabor221 | does the bot set the shot team right? |
| 21:55.12 | patlabor221 | or did I miss a place |
| 21:55.52 | Tupone | I see only my shoot. Can be bot shoot are off or all RemotePlayer |
| 21:56.58 | patlabor221 | let me see if it has an "add shots" |
| 21:57.35 | Tupone | you did something now with shot? |
| 21:57.40 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:57.49 | patlabor221 | it now has the team ID in the shot |
| 21:58.45 | patlabor221 | where does the bot do it's shoting? |
| 21:59.09 | Tupone | RobotPlayer.cxx |
| 21:59.46 | patlabor221 | ohh it makes its own packer |
| 21:59.49 | patlabor221 | easy fix |
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| 22:00.22 | patlabor221 | it dosn't call the normal make shot funch |
| 22:00.48 | Tupone | so is not like Apollo 13 :-) |
| 22:01.18 | patlabor221 | no, it's just a lame way of doing it :) |
| 22:03.20 | patlabor221 | try now |
| 22:04.42 | creeperz | I'm gunna take off |
| 22:04.57 | patlabor221 | wow I'm so glad he told us that |
| 22:04.58 | Tupone | still no shot. |
| 22:05.07 | patlabor221 | dono then |
| 22:05.09 | Tupone | just sound and poof |
| 22:05.21 | Tupone | Have you tried against a regular player |
| 22:05.30 | patlabor221 | yeah I ran 2 here and it was cool |
| 22:05.52 | Tupone | So it is just a bot problem. I'll see then. tomorrow |
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| 22:07.48 | patlabor221 | I'll test it when noone is here and I can try it with a bot |
| 22:07.56 | Tupone | bzfs says "shot lifetime mismatch" |
| 22:08.06 | Tupone | dunno |
| 22:08.35 | patlabor221 | that I did not change |
| 22:09.34 | Tupone | Player c3po06 [7] shot lifetime mismatch 3.507168 3.500000 |
| 22:09.43 | patlabor221 | odd |
| 22:10.03 | Tupone | they are very similar, bzdb data |
| 22:10.09 | Tupone | ? |
| 22:10.28 | Tupone | could be the change of file in directory ??? |
| 22:10.32 | patlabor221 | no that's net data |
| 22:10.53 | patlabor221 | got a debuger, step on in and see where it comes from |
| 22:11.02 | Tupone | but they are very similar, can be tollerance? dont know what they are |
| 22:11.30 | larsl | Is that some cheat check for shot length? |
| 22:11.38 | patlabor221 | I think so |
| 22:15.53 | patlabor221 | wait, did you update both server and client Tupone? |
| 22:16.30 | patlabor221 | hmm maybe I didn't update a size |
| 22:16.37 | Tupone | I run the server from the client. And both from the generation directory |
| 22:16.52 | Tupone | I hope they take both from that |
| 22:17.23 | Nidhoggr | what is the time field in a /ban command in? seconds or minutes? |
| 22:17.59 | bryjen | minutes |
| 22:18.15 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 22:19.01 | larsl | Heh, I've found a bug in HiX2 when used with a 1.9 server. =) |
| 22:19.29 | patlabor221 | where do we set the lengh of a buffer before we pack stuff into it? |
| 22:19.35 | Nidhoggr | I've got to figure out how to get a 21" monitor into my beetle. |
| 22:20.13 | Tupone | ServerLink::sendBeginShot ? |
| 22:20.21 | TyroneFHornigh | Get a flatscreen. |
| 22:20.28 | patlabor221 | I had,ShotUpdatePLen wrong |
| 22:20.36 | Nidhoggr | an already existing 21" monitor |
| 22:20.36 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:21.08 | Nidhoggr | I had a 19" viewsonic at home and my desk at work is very narrow depth-wise, so they are letting me trade my 19" for a 21" |
| 22:21.49 | patlabor221 | There give it a shot now. |
| 22:21.53 | patlabor221 | pun intended :) |
| 22:25.26 | Tupone | o! |
| 22:26.40 | brlcad | ~mop the blood up |
| 22:26.41 | | ACTION get's a mop and cleans up after the blood up |
| 22:27.38 | TyroneFHornigh | Does this mean we're down to one release issue? |
| 22:28.37 | patlabor221 | if Tupone says he's done, I would split up his item, move the "extra info" stuff to a lower priority |
| 22:28.45 | patlabor221 | and then just sit and stare at leaner :) |
| 22:29.01 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 22:29.10 | TyroneFHornigh | He'll be done as soon as he can sit up straight. :^) |
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| 22:29.17 | Tupone | done what? LanDiscovery is done. Just waiting SPR |
| 22:29.25 | patlabor221 | SPR? |
| 22:29.33 | Tupone | SOftware Problem Report |
| 22:29.44 | brlcad | er, not that |
| 22:29.56 | larsl | Hm, the world cache doesn't go through FileManager. |
| 22:29.59 | patlabor221 | 'splain, you mean a bug report? |
| 22:30.22 | Tupone | I fix that LanDiscovery thing. |
| 22:30.43 | patlabor221 | and it's comited |
| 22:30.52 | Tupone | I try only on Linux, that's way I 'm waiting for someone else to ry on Windows |
| 22:31.08 | Tupone | it's commited |
| 22:31.19 | larsl | And it works. |
| 22:31.55 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 22:32.00 | patlabor221 | then I'll update the todo |
| 22:32.08 | patlabor221 | can you add an item to the change log for what you did? |
| 22:32.23 | TyroneFHornigh | It sounds like it's time for release candidate testing tonight. |
| 22:32.36 | Tupone | I tryed with public server and with local (mean on same PC). Not tryed in a lan |
| 22:32.38 | patlabor221 | no, don't rush it |
| 22:32.46 | patlabor221 | lets get the client side thing ing |
| 22:33.00 | patlabor221 | then take a look at any patches and see if there is anythign else to merge |
| 22:33.05 | patlabor221 | then just make a "testing release" |
| 22:33.17 | TyroneFHornigh | Then how about some beta testing tonight to make sure these changes don't have bugs in them. |
| 22:33.36 | larsl | The world cache is a bit odd at the moment, I should make it use FileManager instead of managing files by itself. |
| 22:33.42 | patlabor221 | if you want after the client fiter is in, we can change the build type to "testing" |
| 22:33.44 | Nidhoggr | I can prolly test on windows and mac if someone can build a windows one for me. I can prolly build the mac one. |
| 22:34.05 | patlabor221 | I'll make another windows build tongiht |
| 22:34.18 | patlabor221 | after filter is in |
| 22:34.22 | Nidhoggr | cool, I'll be around later. I finally have a monitor for my pc :) |
| 22:34.34 | Nidhoggr | I'll put up a 1.9 server with spirals. |
| 22:34.38 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:34.39 | TyroneFHornigh | I'll doublecheck the mac build tonight. |
| 22:34.49 | TyroneFHornigh | Don't use spirals, that map is way too intensive. |
| 22:35.00 | Nidhoggr | it'll work fine on my pc |
| 22:35.04 | Nidhoggr | just not on my mac. |
| 22:35.05 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:35.13 | Nidhoggr | I need to get another map that I like. |
| 22:35.18 | Nidhoggr | basement is fun. |
| 22:35.37 | TyroneFHornigh | basement is fine for testing. |
| 22:35.52 | Nidhoggr | that's what i was running on dragon.org for a while. |
| 22:36.38 | larsl | Could someone add code to FileManager to get it to create directories as needed when createDataOutStream() is called, for Windows? It should work for Mac and *NIX. |
| 22:36.47 | larsl | It would simplify other code. |
| 22:36.55 | Nidhoggr | I should do bandwidth review and see if I can afford to run 2 10 shot servers. |
| 22:37.12 | patlabor221 | so basicly you want me to do it :) |
| 22:37.17 | larsl | =) |
| 22:37.32 | Tupone | Have we changed the protocol version ? |
| 22:38.01 | Tupone | With the old bzflag (1.9a) I see Chestal server |
| 22:38.13 | Tupone | With the new I get xmission and brlcad |
| 22:38.14 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:38.17 | patlabor221 | it's 1.9.2 now |
| 22:38.30 | patlabor221 | check the commits messages :) |
| 22:38.52 | Tupone | So we should ask Chestal to regenerato its own |
| 22:39.04 | patlabor221 | he will |
| 22:39.10 | patlabor221 | probably when he wakes up |
| 22:40.27 | Nidhoggr | is anon cvs working properly now? |
| 22:40.42 | Nidhoggr | IOW if I download anon, will I get current? |
| 22:40.51 | TyroneFHornigh | I haven't seen an announcement from sf, check their news. |
| 22:41.02 | patlabor221 | the windows code will be very similar to the linux code |
| 22:41.18 | patlabor221 | just \ instead of / and call make dir each time, cus it won't freak if the dir is allready there. |
| 22:41.28 | Nidhoggr | I could use my login, I suppose. |
| 22:41.32 | patlabor221 | we don't seem to have an "is dir" |
| 22:41.43 | larsl | I don't think Linux freaks either, I just thought it looked nice. |
| 22:42.20 | larsl | If it can't make the dirs it will just fail when it tries to create the ofstream, so the function will return NULL anyway. |
| 22:42.28 | patlabor221 | actualy we have "S_IFDIR" so I'll just use that |
| 22:43.48 | larsl | Nidhoggr: The CVS browser on the web is still using a backup server, I suspect that anoncvs uses the same. |
| 22:43.56 | patlabor221 | it does |
| 22:44.06 | patlabor221 | you must use ssh if you want to get current |
| 22:44.07 | scanline | larsl: we might have CIA running again tonight |
| 22:44.13 | larsl | scanline: That sounds great. |
| 22:44.46 | scanline | depends on how long it takes to finish restoring data, set up the mail server correctly, and change the DNS |
| 22:44.49 | larsl | Browsing through the CVS logs is a lot less convenient. =) |
| 22:44.52 | scanline | yip |
| 22:45.09 | Nidhoggr | how would I get it using ssh? |
| 22:45.21 | Nidhoggr | <--- tupid |
| 22:45.43 | larsl | cvs -z3 -d:ext:username@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co bzflag |
| 22:45.52 | larsl | I think. |
| 22:46.22 | larsl | You just replace pserver:anonymous with ext:yourusername |
| 22:46.32 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 22:46.42 | TyroneFHornigh | That looks right. |
| 22:47.05 | patlabor221 | what folders will it make now? |
| 22:47.12 | larsl | You might have to set some environment variables too, but I think it uses the right ones by default. |
| 22:47.31 | larsl | patlabor221: It makes ~/.bzf and ~/.bzf/cache on *nix. |
| 22:48.19 | TyroneFHornigh | I'll doublecheck mac tonight, although learner will probably beat me to it. |
| 22:48.42 | Nidhoggr | so far it's just hanging there. |
| 22:48.50 | TyroneFHornigh | Don't worry pat, M$ licensed all of that technology from SCO ;^P |
| 22:49.01 | patlabor221 | no I mean remove |
| 22:49.09 | patlabor221 | ~ is NFG |
| 22:49.22 | TyroneFHornigh | How about $HOME? |
| 22:49.25 | patlabor221 | no |
| 22:49.28 | patlabor221 | none of tht |
| 22:49.34 | larsl | Sorry, it doesn't use ~ literally. |
| 22:49.36 | patlabor221 | there is a function "getconfigdir" |
| 22:49.49 | patlabor221 | not all OS's have per user folders |
| 22:49.56 | larsl | I just typed that to mean the directory that bzflag decides to use as "home directory". |
| 22:50.07 | patlabor221 | the "special" folder :) |
| 22:50.22 | TyroneFHornigh | tilde is actually bsd'ness. Somehow it migrated out of csh despite many efforts to keep it caged. |
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| 22:51.12 | patlabor221 | where does the /.bzf/cache comefrom? |
| 22:51.41 | Nidhoggr | is it normal for the cvs to just hang there for a REALLY long time? |
| 22:51.44 | larsl | It isn't created through FileManager at the moment, it was using it's own code to open the files. |
| 22:51.49 | larsl | I'm going to change that. |
| 22:52.09 | patlabor221 | ok, cus this is working, it's just not being asked to make anything |
| 22:52.23 | patlabor221 | it's just opeing bzfsconf and stuff |
| 22:52.31 | Nidhoggr | hrm connection timed out. |
| 22:52.33 | larsl | I don't even know where it stores the cache on Windows. |
| 22:52.43 | TyroneFHornigh | No, try setenv CVS_RSH ssh, or CVS_RSH=ssh for bash |
| 22:53.18 | patlabor221 | well I would make a function that returns the dir name ( your .bzf ), cus on widnows it really shoudl be "my bzflag files" |
| 22:53.24 | Nidhoggr | w000 |
| 22:53.24 | patlabor221 | we don't do the . thing |
| 22:53.26 | Nidhoggr | worked |
| 22:53.52 | larsl | Hm? I think there is such a function. |
| 22:54.03 | patlabor221 | ok cool |
| 22:54.09 | larsl | Oh, wait. Maybe not. |
| 22:54.10 | patlabor221 | there is one to get the "home" dir |
| 22:54.30 | patlabor221 | cus the mac does it difrent too |
| 22:54.51 | TyroneFHornigh | What do you believe the mac does different now? |
| 22:55.00 | patlabor221 | actualy I think it returns the entire path to the config file |
| 22:55.18 | patlabor221 | tell ya in a sec |
| 22:55.23 | larsl | There is a getCacheDirectoryName() that does it differently for Win, Mac, and UNIX. |
| 22:55.57 | patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.07 | patlabor221 | static std::stringgetConfigFileName() |
| 22:56.10 | patlabor221 | thats the func |
| 22:56.32 | larsl | Yes, that too. |
| 22:56.43 | patlabor221 | so you want me to make it be "path to my home dir/bzf/config.whatever" |
| 22:57.16 | larsl | No, that doesn't matter. I just wanted the directory creating thing to work on Windows too. |
| 22:57.21 | Nidhoggr | is there anything I should know about using 1.9 server? what's different for config, etc? |
| 22:57.22 | patlabor221 | it does |
| 22:57.28 | larsl | Store the Windows files where they fit in best. |
| 22:57.44 | patlabor221 | well they should be stored similar |
| 22:58.08 | patlabor221 | it looks like getConfigFileName() is then pased to the file manager |
| 22:59.19 | patlabor221 | well if your changing where the cache goes, is that not common code for all OSs? |
| 23:00.22 | larsl | I only changed the UNIX-specific code. |
| 23:00.29 | patlabor221 | where is that? |
| 23:00.35 | patlabor221 | cus I should make the windows stuff match |
| 23:00.43 | patlabor221 | just to be nice :) |
| 23:00.49 | larsl | playing.cxx |
| 23:00.59 | larsl | getCacheDirectoryName |
| 23:01.33 | patlabor221 | that's wher it's called, where is the func? |
| 23:01.47 | patlabor221 | got it |
| 23:01.56 | larsl | playing.cxx, line 4719. |
| 23:02.19 | patlabor221 | yeah see it now |
| 23:02.40 | patlabor221 | wow, this would make us allmost windows XP compliant :) |
| 23:02.50 | Nidhoggr | hrm maybe i should update misc/bzfs.conf |
| 23:03.23 | larsl | Is it out of date? |
| 23:03.38 | Nidhoggr | there are a few things missing, I think. |
| 23:03.38 | patlabor221 | well there is some new stuff |
| 23:04.17 | Nidhoggr | -badwordlist, =speedtol, etc. |
| 23:05.10 | Nidhoggr | the groups, password file, etc., stuff. |
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| 23:06.31 | bzxmission | *** 'irc' joined the game. |
| 23:08.27 | *** join/#bzflag bzxmission (~bzxmissio@c213-100-62-55.swipnet.se) |
| 23:08.28 | bzxmission | *** 'irc' joined the game. |
| 23:08.49 | bzxmission | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.50 | bzxmission | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.50 | bzxmission | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.50 | bzxmission | *** 'Lars' joined the game. |
| 23:09.06 | bzxmission | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.08 | bzxmission | *** 'Lars' left the game. |
| 23:09.14 | patlabor221 | umm what is THAT? |
| 23:09.15 | bzxmission | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.29 | larsl | Sorry, didn't think it would spam that much. |
| 23:10.35 | Nidhoggr | so if I get a list of other new stuff, I'll update the conf file. :) |
| 23:10.49 | patlabor221 | a pyBZ to IRC bridge? |
| 23:10.56 | larsl | bzadmin to IRC. |
| 23:11.00 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 23:11.15 | larsl | Using misc/bzirc.pl. |
| 23:11.29 | larsl | There seem to be some bugs since the new observer team was added. |
| 23:12.01 | Nidhoggr | misc/bzbz.pl looks cool. I think I'll try it between my servers. |
| 23:14.50 | larsl | Nidhoggr: You can ignore the [OPTIONS] bit in the usage note, the only options that bzadmin accepts now are -help and -ui, and bzbz.pl won't work if you tell it to use another UI. |
| 23:15.03 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 23:15.05 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 23:15.14 | Nidhoggr | I'll probably mess with it tonight or tomorrw. |
| 23:15.24 | larsl | I removed the -team option since observers are their own team now. |
| 23:15.36 | Nidhoggr | ah |
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| 23:22.14 | larsl | Ugh, lecture in 9 hours. |
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| 23:26.59 | Chikorita | hi all :) |
| 23:29.02 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 23:29.14 | Chikorita | at least i have ibot here 2 keep mee company |
| 23:29.24 | Chikorita | right ibot? |
| 23:29.26 | Chikorita | hi ibot |
| 23:29.39 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack |
| 23:29.39 | | Chikorita: :) |
| 23:29.42 | Chikorita | :) |
| 23:30.40 | Chikorita | ~seen brlcad |
| 23:30.41 | | brlcad <sean@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1h 57s ago, saying: 'er, not that'. |
| 23:31.05 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 23:31.25 | Chikorita | brb |
| 23:37.21 | Chikorita | ~seen David_V |
| 23:37.21 | | david_v <~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3d 13h 8m 41s ago, saying: 'heh. but i got this calc from my brother'. |
| 23:37.38 | Chikorita | ~seen Mayhem |
| 23:37.38 | | mayhem <~Mayhem@dsl-217-155-141-174.zen.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 54d 7h 1m 50s ago, saying: 'Hi Chiko!'. |
| 23:37.49 | Chikorita | :( |
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