| 00:00.34 | patlabor221 | thankfully we don't really have any lumbergs in this dept |
| 00:01.38 | brlcad | hmm.. is that a shield on the captain's belt in 142.3? |
| 00:01.51 | brlcad | that would suggest J.A.G or something |
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| 00:03.36 | bzgirl | hello |
| 00:05.21 | JBDiGriz | hello |
| 00:05.40 | brlcad | howdy |
| 00:05.46 | JBDiGriz | Could that be a police uniform instead of a military uniform on 142.3? |
| 00:05.58 | brlcad | with captain's bars?? |
| 00:06.43 | JBDiGriz | a police captain chewing out a detective, perhaps |
| 00:06.45 | brlcad | although it certainly isn't "neat" like it should be |
| 00:07.28 | brlcad | even looks wrinkled -- could be |
| 00:10.57 | patlabor221 | cop uniform would have badge on the chest, and a unit insignia on the arm |
| 00:11.50 | bzgirl | its a prison uniform |
| 00:12.07 | patlabor221 | they have epaulets? |
| 00:12.13 | patlabor221 | and Hi :) |
| 00:12.17 | bzgirl | sure |
| 00:12.29 | bzgirl | whatever they are :) |
| 00:13.12 | bzgirl | the big red light in the background is prolly prison light? |
| 00:13.30 | patlabor221 | it does have an alarm esque look to it |
| 00:13.38 | patlabor221 | but no bars on the windows |
| 00:13.44 | bzgirl | #4 is a Robert Redford movie |
| 00:14.12 | bzgirl | they're doors i think, not windows |
| 00:14.19 | brlcad | that room looks sorta like a mental hospital |
| 00:14.29 | brlcad | or perhaps just a hospital |
| 00:14.36 | patlabor221 | well still it would have bars on them if it was a prison |
| 00:14.43 | JBDiGriz | #4 isn't Redford, but the star was in a major movie with Redford |
| 00:15.26 | patlabor221 | it's some kinda classroom or something, as there are chairs up on end in the background |
| 00:15.28 | brlcad | oh |
| 00:15.30 | brlcad | :P |
| 00:16.25 | patlabor221 | tho I swear those are pre job, Demi boobs |
| 00:16.58 | scanline | TortoiseSVN is rather cute |
| 00:17.44 | tea|tree_ | ~d |
| 00:17.48 | patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 00:17.57 | tea|tree_ | hello all |
| 00:18.04 | bzgirl | hello t |
| 00:18.14 | tea|tree_ | hey angie ;D |
| 00:18.55 | bzgirl | good evening Nickolas ;-) |
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| 00:34.36 | bzgirl | hi Chiko |
| 00:34.51 | Chikorita | hi |
| 00:37.25 | Chikorita | bbl.. |
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| 00:53.17 | bzgirl | http://www.ephemeranow.com/wagons/wagons011.htm |
| 00:53.45 | bzgirl | why did everyone look so happy in the 1950's? |
| 00:54.44 | brlcad | the same reason why all "smokers" have such pearly white teeth |
| 00:55.34 | bzgirl | not the ones i know |
| 00:55.55 | brlcad | http://www.chickenhead.com/truth/ |
| 00:57.07 | bzgirl | lo |
| 00:57.08 | bzgirl | l |
| 00:57.30 | bzgirl | http://www.chickenhead.com/truth/images/ads/cigarillo1.jpg heh |
| 00:57.30 | brlcad | see anyone there with teeth rotting out of their head? :) |
| 01:00.11 | bzdoug_ | gimme a photo! :) |
| 01:01.34 | bzgirl | :) j/k doug |
| 01:02.48 | JBDiGriz | She didn't say she was smoking, just lighting it! ;-) |
| 01:03.52 | JBDiGriz | brlcad: Are you going to have some time to chase down keyboard issues this evening? |
| 01:04.22 | brlcad | oh crap, jb |
| 01:04.27 | brlcad | I'd forgotten that was today |
| 01:04.34 | brlcad | yes, I can |
| 01:05.01 | JBDiGriz | ease off on the pressure. We don't need you to blow up! |
| 01:05.14 | brlcad | hehe, no -- i just had my mind elsewhere |
| 01:05.38 | brlcad | everythings working now -- I'm quite gleefully content right now |
| 01:05.51 | brlcad | a bit giddy even that everything is working |
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| 01:37.34 | brlcad | ahh.. e-mail from friends far away when you don't expect it is nice.. |
| 01:44.28 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj (project.pbxproj): Turned off linking to libogg and libvorbis until it is needed again |
| 01:46.04 | captain_proton | silly extra build system thingies |
| 01:53.39 | brlcad | not so silly when I have both processors churning away on a compile |
| 01:53.50 | brlcad | or on a cluster once I get my hands on xcode :) |
| 01:57.35 | scanline | or you could use make -j and distcc |
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| 02:01.50 | brlcad | yes, but will it auto detect all of the available resources on your network and transparently optimally utilize everyone willing to contribute? i think not |
| 02:02.14 | brlcad | all at the click of a button, too |
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| 02:15.06 | brlcad | someone care to join brlcad.org for a sec |
| 02:15.50 | Patlabor221 | I can when that is complete |
| 02:16.27 | brlcad | tupone -- kill jb, grab burrow and let one of us run you over |
| 02:16.46 | brlcad | i.e. become rabbit and be burrowed |
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| 02:21.29 | creeperz | God...Language Arts 9 in the morning |
| 02:21.46 | Patlabor221 | I'm building now to asist you Gents if you still need it. |
| 02:22.21 | creeperz | My Computer Apps teacher is a bitch |
| 02:22.39 | Patlabor221 | thank you for leting us all know. |
| 02:22.45 | creeperz | No problem |
| 02:22.58 | brlcad | thanks tupone |
| 02:23.11 | Patlabor221 | are you still in need brlcad? |
| 02:23.16 | Tupone | You're welcome |
| 02:23.18 | Patlabor221 | oh and iHint++ |
| 02:23.20 | creeperz | Just thought I'd let you all know |
| 02:24.08 | JBDiGriz | Thanks, it's something after the keyboard event and before the bzdb interpretation |
| 02:24.43 | creeperz | Anyone know a good program (freeware if at all possible) to make hotkeys? |
| 02:24.44 | Patlabor221 | I hope it wasn't my change to the key stuff that I made for the Mac with no way to test. |
| 02:24.54 | Patlabor221 | Windows XP |
| 02:24.56 | scanline | creeperz: keyboard + blowtorch |
| 02:25.09 | creeperz | :-) |
| 02:25.09 | JBDiGriz | That was only a simple change and it couldn't have made a difference ;-) |
| 02:25.12 | Patlabor221 | a Zippo would work too |
| 02:25.24 | creeperz | hotkeys... not hot keys |
| 02:25.26 | creeperz | ;-) |
| 02:25.36 | Tupone_ | quit |
| 02:25.36 | Patlabor221 | I didn't think so JBDiGriz but it did seem to start hapening around that time. |
| 02:25.41 | Patlabor221 | creeper for what app? |
| 02:25.57 | creeperz | No particular application |
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| 02:26.06 | creeperz | Just remap my copy and paste hotkeys |
| 02:26.11 | Patlabor221 | apps handle there own "hot keys" |
| 02:26.21 | Patlabor221 | sounds like you want a macro system |
| 02:26.29 | Patlabor221 | only one I know is quickkeys |
| 02:26.32 | creeperz | I dunno know |
| 02:26.33 | Patlabor221 | check google |
| 02:26.39 | Patlabor221 | or shareware.com |
| 02:26.42 | creeperz | I heard something of HotKey XP or something :-S |
| 02:26.49 | Patlabor221 | then go look for it |
| 02:26.57 | Patlabor221 | iHint++ |
| 02:27.02 | creeperz | ? |
| 02:27.10 | Patlabor221 | use the net to help you. |
| 02:27.58 | creeperz | I could say something right now but it'd just piss yu off |
| 02:28.06 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221: Then again, if it was that change, we'll have to hunt you down.... |
| 02:28.49 | Patlabor221 | JBDiGriz, this is why i mention it. I didn't recall learner having the issue till after I did that. |
| 02:29.11 | Patlabor221 | you could temp undo it, it's a very very simple change, just to see if that's the issue. |
| 02:29.33 | Patlabor221 | tho learner mentioned the project builder solving most of it, and that makes no sense to me |
| 02:29.45 | Patlabor221 | I should steal my G4 back from the doc people. |
| 02:29.51 | JBDiGriz | What's the change, and I'll try it quickly |
| 02:29.56 | Patlabor221 | creeperz: probably, depends what it is. |
| 02:30.25 | Patlabor221 | in mac platform when it got a keyUP event it was setting the bz keydown event |
| 02:30.31 | Patlabor221 | I change it from down to up |
| 02:31.54 | Patlabor221 | The chang made sense and brlcad concured, so I commited with out testing. |
| 02:32.06 | creeperz | Hotkeycontrol XP |
| 02:32.24 | Patlabor221 | there ya go then |
| 02:32.52 | creeperz | Yea, this is it |
| 02:33.32 | Patlabor221 | I was just pondering if your keyboard issues were posibly due to that change I made for your "I" problem |
| 02:33.40 | brlcad | pat: it did make sense at the time |
| 02:33.42 | Patlabor221 | since I dind't remember you having the problem before that |
| 02:33.55 | Patlabor221 | yeah it does, but maybe that screwed up other stuff |
| 02:34.00 | brlcad | well, it did fix the problem i was having briefly when building via make |
| 02:34.15 | brlcad | but a day or two later the problem returned |
| 02:34.23 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 02:34.37 | brlcad | very -- almost like corrupted memory randomness |
| 02:34.44 | Patlabor221 | did you have issues where you would lose total keyboard before that? |
| 02:34.44 | JBDiGriz | ok, i have a build with that change undone |
| 02:35.03 | JBDiGriz | we don't lose total keyboard. the 't' and arrows work |
| 02:35.15 | Patlabor221 | oh, very very odd |
| 02:35.20 | JBDiGriz | those keys aren't changable, and are handled differently |
| 02:35.26 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 02:35.41 | JBDiGriz | it looks like the KEYMGR code which does some interpretation is broken |
| 02:35.44 | Patlabor221 | It did seem that the key handaling stuff is ALL difrent |
| 02:35.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah that |
| 02:36.00 | Patlabor221 | it ties some stuff to key down, and some to key up |
| 02:36.05 | Patlabor221 | bizare way if you ask me |
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| 02:36.22 | SGI | helllo |
| 02:36.27 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 02:37.37 | JBDiGriz | That didn't affect it |
| 02:38.04 | Patlabor221 | well was just a thought |
| 02:38.26 | creeperz | Works good |
| 02:38.51 | JBDiGriz | It never hurts to doublecheck |
| 02:39.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:41.21 | Patlabor221 | will it build on OS 9.0, I can test it there ;) |
| 02:41.54 | creeperz | ~seen noodleman |
| 02:41.54 | | noodleman <cyber@webirc.caffeine-powered.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 14d 10h 56m 55s ago, saying: 'we are at our destination, just don['t have a house yet'. |
| 02:42.21 | creeperz | 14 days ago? |
| 02:42.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah, he's doing a major move |
| 02:42.49 | creeperz | I talked to him yesterday for a little while |
| 02:43.07 | creeperz | He came in here yesterday. Just left right away |
| 02:43.13 | creeperz | Didn't say anything |
| 02:43.20 | Patlabor221 | probably still getting set up and stuff |
| 02:43.26 | creeperz | Yea |
| 02:43.40 | Patlabor221 | he was also not that chatty of a person here |
| 02:43.41 | creeperz | Got glasses back today |
| 02:43.51 | creeperz | In Noodlebot, he was |
| 02:43.58 | Patlabor221 | there is not here |
| 02:43.58 | creeperz | Yesterday, anyways |
| 02:44.06 | creeperz | I know this |
| 02:44.21 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221: If there's a problem building on 9, why don't you fix it? ;-) |
| 02:44.29 | creeperz | Didn't know if you were refering to IRC or #BZFlag |
| 02:44.31 | Patlabor221 | would it even work? |
| 02:44.38 | JBDiGriz | no |
| 02:44.40 | Patlabor221 | here is #bzflag |
| 02:44.50 | Patlabor221 | I didn't think it would |
| 02:45.00 | creeperz | I know this now |
| 02:45.03 | Patlabor221 | and there is no way to get OSX on a 601 is there? |
| 02:45.44 | Patlabor221 | nuBus R0x0rz |
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| 02:57.39 | brlcad | why does the doEvent() in playing.cxx disable the keyboard movement when the mouse moves? |
| 02:58.02 | brlcad | I can see why you might want the reverse.. |
| 02:58.19 | captain_proton | they're a little exclusionary |
| 02:58.50 | brlcad | it's relatively easy to cause a mouse event when playing with keys |
| 02:59.18 | brlcad | it's a pretty active effort to "accidentally" hit an arrow key while using a mouse, though |
| 02:59.23 | captain_proton | i'm not sure how it would react with both turned on at the same time |
| 03:00.57 | brlcad | ah.. it's a hack fix |
| 03:01.27 | brlcad | the mouse doesn't engage if the keyboard is active |
| 03:02.09 | brlcad | it does receive the events just fine, though.. no reason it couldn't |
| 03:02.13 | brlcad | hrm |
| 03:04.44 | Tupone | JBDiGriz: I was an observer, did you noticed |
| 03:05.11 | JBDiGriz | Tupone: I noticed, but I still wasn't able to get the keyboard to respond. |
| 03:05.53 | Tupone | How? I did not see any sign of me to be an observer. |
| 03:06.21 | JBDiGriz | You were listed below the regular players, and you're call sign was in black |
| 03:06.50 | Tupone | OK. My view as an observer was different. I'll try |
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| 03:09.14 | brlcad | howdy mac! |
| 03:09.20 | MrApathyCream | heh learner |
| 03:09.41 | JBDiGriz_ | Big MAC ... |
| 03:10.02 | MrApathyCream | yo |
| 03:10.11 | MrApathyCream | heh, wollman |
| 03:10.16 | MrApathyCream | :) |
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| 03:39.37 | MrApathyCream | --slow nite-- i guess captain_proton is waiting another day to save the bzday |
| 03:39.55 | captain_proton | can't save it until its truly in danger |
| 03:41.05 | MrApathyCream | sl |
| 03:41.06 | MrApathyCream | so |
| 03:41.08 | MrApathyCream | version as strings as in 1.9.0-cvs20030604 |
| 03:41.22 | MrApathyCream | 1.9.0-win32:20030828 ? |
| 03:41.29 | MrApathyCream | is that what he wants? |
| 03:41.49 | MrApathyCream | 1.9.0-redhat9:20030828 ?? |
| 03:42.20 | captain_proton | but whats wrong with spaces? |
| 03:42.28 | MrApathyCream | *shrug* |
| 03:44.04 | MrApathyCream | another couple months, then, i guess... :( |
| 03:44.05 | scanline | MrApathyCream: just install linux |
| 03:44.19 | MrApathyCream | i tried -- it was an abismal failure |
| 03:44.31 | Patlabor221 | vmware it :) |
| 03:44.33 | scanline | MrApathyCream: so install it correctly now |
| 03:44.37 | JBDiGriz_ | Get a MAC! |
| 03:44.50 | Patlabor221 | install it on an amiga!!! |
| 03:44.51 | MrApathyCream | after about 15 installation attempts, i concluded i didn't want it that bad |
| 03:45.00 | brlcad | yeah, mac -- get a mac |
| 03:45.01 | MrApathyCream | i have an amiga actually :) |
| 03:45.10 | MrApathyCream | i have a mac too |
| 03:45.11 | Patlabor221 | there ya go |
| 03:45.17 | Patlabor221 | linux runs on ANYTHING |
| 03:45.19 | Patlabor221 | even my cat. |
| 03:45.25 | MrApathyCream | but neither are the dev platform of choice |
| 03:47.01 | scanline | IRIX is the dev platform of choice |
| 03:47.09 | MrApathyCream | does your cat mind you constantly rebuilding her kernel? |
| 03:47.41 | JBDiGriz_ | It's a very stable platform, once you rebuild the kernel once, the cat tends to stay up without crashing. |
| 03:47.48 | MrApathyCream | the 7 cd set looks nice on my bookcase tho |
| 03:47.58 | Patlabor221 | I think she does that by herself, but only in the litterbox |
| 03:49.01 | JBDiGriz_ | It looks like something is going funny with the shift on the key input, could someone join brlcad, and just hang out there for about 10 minutes? |
| 03:50.29 | MrApathyCream | i'm there |
| 03:52.03 | JBDiGriz_ | Thanks, that's definitely something wrong, but now I have to figure out why it's setting it. |
| 03:52.29 | MrApathyCream | 'core dump' |
| 03:52.45 | brlcad | got it |
| 03:52.50 | brlcad | uninitialized data |
| 03:53.25 | brlcad | jb, join if you would to verify |
| 03:54.16 | brlcad | or anybody for that matter |
| 03:54.32 | JBDiGriz_ | mac and i are both there |
| 03:55.00 | JBDiGriz_ | i'm in the middle of walking the code, but i can reset the breakpoints |
| 03:55.39 | brlcad | you're on brlcad.org? |
| 03:55.45 | brlcad | or is mac autopilot? |
| 03:55.53 | JBDiGriz_ | yes, and mac is autopilot |
| 03:56.32 | brlcad | you nailed it jb |
| 03:56.35 | brlcad | it's the shift |
| 03:56.46 | brlcad | actually the whole event is uninitialized |
| 03:56.52 | JBDiGriz_ | wish i had found the uninitialized code |
| 03:57.00 | JBDiGriz_ | where are you? |
| 03:57.17 | brlcad | the other clients apparently set the event.shift to 0 |
| 03:57.30 | brlcad | the mac event handler was only setting it to zero on a certain case |
| 03:57.48 | Patlabor221 | so were all your keys having the shift modifyer? |
| 03:57.51 | brlcad | look at MacDisplay.cxx |
| 03:57.57 | brlcad | getEvent() |
| 03:58.09 | brlcad | bzf_even.keyDown.shift is never set |
| 03:58.28 | Patlabor221 | so init to garbage? |
| 03:58.50 | brlcad | perhaps, or just never init |
| 03:59.09 | Patlabor221 | well that would init it to garbage then wouldn't it :) |
| 03:59.10 | brlcad | it should be init prior to feeding it to clients (upon creation) |
| 03:59.16 | Patlabor221 | cus it has to be someething |
| 03:59.26 | brlcad | and the clients should set it too.. |
| 04:00.38 | JBDiGriz | It looks like it initializes it on mouse events, but not keyboard events ... |
| 04:00.40 | brlcad | yep.. playing.cxx around 2335 |
| 04:00.59 | JBDiGriz | Do you have a fix? |
| 04:01.21 | brlcad | the quick fix is to zero it in the mac key handler |
| 04:01.39 | brlcad | I'm going to init that event in doEvent too |
| 04:01.47 | JBDiGriz | Check it in, and let's cross the sucker off the list! |
| 04:02.27 | JBDiGriz | Get the fire hose ;-) |
| 04:06.05 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX (MacDisplay.cxx): fixed uninitialized data bug -- initialized event in getEvent() |
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| 04:11.42 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX (MacDisplay.cxx): dang untested single line changes |
| 04:12.11 | JBDiGriz | Probably should have added a typedef to the initialization ;-) |
| 04:13.20 | brlcad | yes, i thought i'd "throw that one in as well" right before I commmited it ;) |
| 04:13.34 | brlcad | without checking the type :P |
| 04:13.45 | JBDiGriz | Actually, the type is already set to -1 about 3 lines down from your change |
| 04:13.55 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): removed redundant KEYMGR->get() for keytrokes not handled by the KEYMGR |
| 04:14.13 | brlcad | hehe |
| 04:16.37 | JBDiGriz | I do like seeing warnings go away ;-) |
| 04:17.51 | JBDiGriz | can someone join brlcad so I can test this build? |
| 04:26.29 | brlcad | poor sick fella |
| 04:32.24 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (BzfEvent.h): added default constructor so that event is properly initialized |
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| 04:34.33 | JBDiGriz | I can't switch the radar view while burrowed. That's what I was seeing. |
| 04:35.14 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): cleaned up after the learned one; added handle for unset event |
| 04:38.27 | brlcad | i see that too jb |
| 04:39.12 | brlcad | i notice that someone fixed the jumping while burrowed "feature" |
| 04:41.22 | brlcad | JBDiGriz: was the mac problem line-itemed somewhere? |
| 04:41.33 | brlcad | i don't see it in todo or bugs |
| 04:44.14 | JBDiGriz | I had listed it in the wipi, I'll remove it from there. |
| 04:58.40 | brlcad | i need a beer |
| 04:59.13 | scanline | no beer make homer go something something |
| 04:59.19 | MrApathyCream | i fixed it |
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| 05:17.00 | brlcad | he's computing a distance to the other player -- if he's close to me he wouldn't shoot; when I moved away, he shot himself |
| 05:17.25 | brlcad | even though he was against the wall both when I was near and when I was far |
| 05:17.54 | MrApathyCream | it 'should' find distance to player, and then distance to closest building |
| 05:18.02 | MrApathyCream | and if building is closer, don't shoot |
| 05:18.36 | brlcad | maybe it's using building center points?? |
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| 05:22.34 | creeperz | ...Where are all the ops?? |
| 05:24.48 | MrApathyCream | arg |
| 05:26.57 | brlcad | it's better |
| 05:27.15 | brlcad | still overly sucks though ;) |
| 05:28.04 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 05:28.18 | brlcad | Hmm.. more keyboard funkyness.. if I use binoculars -- i lose forward and backwards keystrokes |
| 05:28.34 | brlcad | could someone test that? |
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| 05:29.16 | SGI | ~seen DTRemenak |
| 05:29.16 | | dtremenak <~DTRemenak@host-226-203.dialup.innercite.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 1h 34m 34s ago, saying: 'ugh'. |
| 05:29.21 | brlcad | hrm, never mind.. now it seems to be working.. wonder if another player has to be on |
| 05:29.25 | *** part/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 05:29.25 | brlcad | howdy sgi ;) |
| 05:29.28 | brlcad | err |
| 05:37.14 | MrApathyCream | i'm on |
| 05:59.21 | brlcad | I'm a baked potato |
| 05:59.26 | brlcad | put a fork in me -- i'm done |
| 06:10.20 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 06:10.21 | MrApathyCream | thanks |
| 06:10.28 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton, scanline, lil help? |
| 06:10.51 | MrApathyCream | i got a normal, i want the angle that is 90 degrees (either way) from that normal |
| 06:13.27 | MrApathyCream | atanf(normal[0]/normal[1]) ? |
| 06:19.45 | scanline | no |
| 06:19.56 | scanline | you want a cross product type widget |
| 06:20.44 | scanline | though you really have to define the question better |
| 06:21.04 | scanline | there are an infinite number of vectors 90 degrees from any given 3d vector |
| 06:21.32 | scanline | the cross product of two vectors is perpendicular to both |
| 06:21.57 | scanline | remember to normalize it if you go that route |
| 06:22.55 | MrApathyCream | two d vector |
| 06:23.31 | scanline | ah |
| 06:24.26 | scanline | well, you can think of it as a 3D vector with z=0, and take the cross product of it and either (0,0,1) or (0,0,-1) depending on which answer you want |
| 06:24.57 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 07:03.18 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Roger needs alot of help |
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| 08:10.48 | bomber_ | moin |
| 08:26.15 | Chikorita | hi bomba |
| 08:26.19 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 08:26.38 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 08:29.32 | bomber_ | :o) |
| 08:29.39 | bomber_ | hi chiko |
| 08:30.01 | bomber_ | ~d |
| 08:30.15 | Chikorita | aww |
| 08:30.49 | Chikorita | bomba? |
| 08:31.04 | Chikorita | wutz a good song 2 d/l? |
| 08:31.07 | bomber_ | hmmm? |
| 08:31.07 | Chikorita | any ideas? |
| 08:32.41 | bomber_ | MI |
| 08:32.47 | Chikorita | hmm? |
| 08:32.52 | bomber_ | haha |
| 08:32.55 | bomber_ | MI |
| 08:32.59 | Chikorita | wuts dat |
| 08:33.01 | bomber_ | mission impossible |
| 08:33.06 | Chikorita | mission impossible? |
| 08:33.07 | Chikorita | o |
| 08:33.09 | Chikorita | okies |
| 08:33.19 | Chikorita | da soundtrack? |
| 08:33.53 | Chikorita | from da movie yes?> |
| 08:34.09 | Chikorita | U2's version? |
| 08:34.24 | bomber_ | dunno |
| 08:34.53 | Chikorita | um okkayy |
| 08:35.06 | Chikorita | i'll look 4 it , thnx |
| 08:35.11 | bomber_ | are you bored? |
| 08:35.30 | Chikorita | not bored ..jus sleepless... |
| 08:35.38 | Chikorita | ur in germany yes? |
| 08:35.39 | bomber_ | ahhhh |
| 08:35.47 | bomber_ | nyep...i am in work :o)) |
| 08:35.50 | Chikorita | itz 4am here |
| 08:35.53 | bomber_ | also sleepless |
| 08:35.55 | bomber_ | muhaha |
| 08:35.57 | Chikorita | lol |
| 08:36.40 | bomber_ | here is 10:35am |
| 08:37.09 | Chikorita | wutcha doin? do u werk wif puters? r u a puter programma? |
| 08:37.56 | Chikorita | military? |
| 08:38.08 | Chikorita | j/w |
| 08:38.14 | bomber_ | i am engineer....i do design of particle storage ring :o)) |
| 08:38.26 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 08:38.30 | bomber_ | university |
| 08:38.30 | Chikorita | dat sounds kewl |
| 08:38.43 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 08:38.56 | bomber_ | and u? |
| 08:39.04 | Chikorita | imma student |
| 08:39.14 | Chikorita | at university too |
| 08:39.25 | bomber_ | programming? |
| 08:39.28 | Chikorita | buh im at home right now |
| 08:39.42 | Chikorita | communications ...buh i tink of changin mah major |
| 08:40.22 | Chikorita | i jus sed puter programma cuz most peepz here r |
| 08:41.19 | Chikorita | die hauser <<dat means "the house" in german , yes? |
| 08:41.51 | bomber_ | haus - häuser |
| 08:41.59 | Chikorita | heehe yea |
| 08:42.00 | bomber_ | but iam not german :o) |
| 08:42.10 | Chikorita | meine hauser |
| 08:42.15 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 08:42.16 | bomber_ | you have to better ask native german people |
| 08:42.20 | Chikorita | i took german in HS |
| 08:42.29 | bomber_ | HS?? |
| 08:42.32 | Chikorita | u dunt speak german? |
| 08:42.39 | Chikorita | HS=High Skool |
| 08:43.05 | bomber_ | ahh i speak....iam here already 6 year |
| 08:43.17 | bomber_ | but i am from slovakia |
| 08:43.32 | Chikorita | sumtimes i like 2 c sum of da german players typing in german dey dunt kno dat i can undastand dem heehe |
| 08:43.42 | bomber_ | hehe |
| 08:43.48 | Chikorita | ooH slovakia |
| 08:44.31 | Chikorita | kewl |
| 08:44.43 | Chikorita | im from da USA |
| 08:44.47 | Chikorita | :) |
| 08:44.50 | bomber_ | which part? |
| 08:44.56 | Chikorita | east part |
| 08:44.59 | Chikorita | maryland |
| 08:45.06 | Chikorita | have u eva been 2 da USA? |
| 08:45.06 | bomber_ | without electricity ? :o)) |
| 08:45.35 | Chikorita | haha no we have electricity othawise no BZ |
| 08:45.55 | bomber_ | i have never been in us |
| 08:46.24 | Chikorita | my puter runs on wata from da mill we have runnin in da stream in our backyard iz dat wut u wanna hear mee say? |
| 08:46.34 | Chikorita | lol j/k |
| 08:46.42 | bomber_ | lol |
| 08:47.36 | bomber_ | wau....its sounds like hessisch |
| 08:47.42 | bomber_ | lol |
| 08:47.54 | Chikorita | i took german in HS cuz i want 2 visit there 1 day (an also cuz i heard it was easyest foriegn language 2 learn) |
| 08:48.02 | Chikorita | lol bomba |
| 08:48.24 | Chikorita | ja woh! |
| 08:48.33 | Chikorita | :D |
| 08:48.44 | bomber_ | when you compare hoch-deutsch and hessisch..... |
| 08:49.17 | Chikorita | r those diff dialects of german? |
| 08:49.24 | bomber_ | yep |
| 08:49.32 | Chikorita | k dat wut i tho |
| 08:50.13 | bomber_ | its something like yours english :o)) |
| 08:50.16 | bomber_ | muhaha |
| 08:50.22 | Chikorita | heh |
| 08:50.29 | Chikorita | u have an evil laff |
| 08:50.41 | Chikorita | anywayzzzzzzzzzz |
| 08:50.53 | Chikorita | u kno , HoW iz active again... |
| 08:51.03 | bomber_ | i saw it :o) |
| 08:51.13 | Chikorita | dey have been winnin sum good matches |
| 08:51.24 | bomber_ | but actually i go to vacation for 2 weeks |
| 08:51.29 | Chikorita | o? |
| 08:51.31 | Chikorita | kewl |
| 08:51.37 | Chikorita | where? j/c |
| 08:51.38 | bomber_ | greek |
| 08:51.48 | Chikorita | greece? |
| 08:51.53 | Chikorita | neet! |
| 08:51.54 | bomber_ | nyep :o) |
| 08:52.00 | bomber_ | Kreta |
| 08:52.10 | Chikorita | take mee 2 |
| 08:52.12 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 08:52.46 | bomber_ | it means me, my girlfriend and chikorita??? :o)) |
| 08:52.54 | bomber_ | hah |
| 08:52.59 | Chikorita | i had a friend she went there on holiday ..she sed dat da best way 2 c greece iz on a cruise ship |
| 08:53.13 | Chikorita | o u r goin wif ur g/f? |
| 08:53.30 | bomber_ | yep |
| 08:53.32 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 08:54.07 | Chikorita | okies nvrmnd |
| 08:54.09 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 08:54.14 | bomber_ | have you find MI |
| 08:54.25 | Chikorita | ya |
| 08:54.45 | Chikorita | i got it do u wanna hear it 2? |
| 08:54.52 | bomber_ | mp3? |
| 08:54.57 | Chikorita | uh huh |
| 08:55.03 | Chikorita | want mee 2 dorward it 2 ya? |
| 08:55.12 | Chikorita | forward* |
| 08:55.17 | Chikorita | itz not bad |
| 08:55.21 | bomber_ | ok |
| 08:55.22 | Chikorita | :) |
| 08:55.29 | Chikorita | thnx 4 suggestin it |
| 08:55.45 | Chikorita | k i wil try 2 send it 2 u via irc |
| 08:55.55 | Chikorita | or do u want it sent 2 ur email addy? |
| 08:56.02 | bomber_ | via irc |
| 08:56.05 | Chikorita | k |
| 08:56.08 | Chikorita | brb |
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| 10:35.57 | Chikorita | grr |
| 10:36.57 | Chikorita | dat DCC-send neva seems 2 work |
| 10:37.49 | Chikorita | o okies nOW itz workin :P |
| 10:38.27 | bomber_ | yep....u were long time away |
| 10:38.51 | bomber_ | second file is the same or? |
| 10:39.35 | Chikorita | first 1 didnt go thru , second 1 iz ... |
| 10:40.08 | Chikorita | itz stil sending |
| 10:40.15 | Chikorita | same file |
| 10:40.21 | bomber_ | 9% |
| 10:40.40 | Chikorita | :P |
| 10:41.32 | Chikorita | im gonna b sendin u all kindsa crazee music i have LoL |
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| 10:44.23 | rooter_the | good morning |
| 10:44.30 | rooter_the | hmmm |
| 10:45.06 | Chikorita | guten morgen herr root :) |
| 10:45.28 | brlcad | g'morning |
| 10:45.48 | Chikorita | learner! |
| 10:46.04 | Chikorita | morning L :D |
| 10:46.11 | brlcad | Chikorita! |
| 10:46.24 | brlcad | hello C :D |
| 10:46.39 | rooter | better |
| 10:46.45 | brlcad | what are you doing up so early?? |
| 10:46.58 | rooter | me? i'm always here at 6:30am |
| 10:47.05 | bomber_ | 29% |
| 10:47.09 | brlcad | no, chikorita :) |
| 10:47.11 | rooter | oh |
| 10:47.28 | rooter | ducati isn't showing up on the list server... but it is up |
| 10:47.39 | Chikorita | lol |
| 10:47.47 | rooter | ~d |
| 10:47.50 | Chikorita | i couldnt sleep .. :P |
| 10:47.54 | rooter | :) |
| 10:47.59 | bomber_ | haha |
| 10:48.15 | brlcad | ~quol |
| 10:48.16 | rooter | hello bomber |
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| 10:49.19 | bomber_ | gm rooter |
| 10:49.44 | bomber_ | chiko: 38% |
| 10:51.25 | Chikorita | k |
| 11:00.44 | rooter | ducati is usually hoppin' at this time |
| 11:01.19 | Chikorita | o yea? |
| 11:01.25 | rooter | calico's boss bust of come in early |
| 11:01.31 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 11:01.38 | rooter | yeah.. usually 3:3 at least |
| 11:01.43 | Chikorita | heh |
| 11:02.18 | rooter | so... what are you sending bomber? |
| 11:02.24 | Chikorita | mus b all da european bz'ers play dis early |
| 11:02.24 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 11:02.29 | rooter | i'm there |
| 11:02.36 | rooter | on another computer |
| 11:03.36 | Chikorita | im sendin him nuclear weapon secrets so he can sell dem 2 da arabians so he can pay 4 his vacation 2 greece |
| 11:03.52 | rooter | convenient |
| 11:04.01 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 11:04.07 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 11:04.10 | Chikorita | j/k |
| 11:04.18 | rooter | really? ;) |
| 11:04.20 | Chikorita | i sendin him sum music files of mine |
| 11:04.21 | rooter | lol |
| 11:04.24 | rooter | ah |
| 11:04.57 | Chikorita | ...weird , moody music , dat eastern european peepz prolly like |
| 11:05.04 | rooter | interesting |
| 11:05.15 | rooter | i just synched my iPod |
| 11:05.16 | Chikorita | dark an creepy |
| 11:05.27 | rooter | oooh... dark is good |
| 11:05.34 | rooter | electonic? |
| 11:06.01 | Chikorita | u mean ..techno trance stuff? |
| 11:06.04 | Chikorita | noo |
| 11:06.16 | rooter | well... there has to be instruments... what are they? |
| 11:06.49 | rooter | noh... someone on ducati... doh... they left |
| 11:08.20 | Chikorita | lol |
| 11:08.26 | Chikorita | umm |
| 11:09.03 | Chikorita | i dunno wut kinda instruments .. |
| 11:09.17 | Chikorita | maybee synthesizers an like...a cow bell? |
| 11:09.22 | rooter | well... it's probably generated |
| 11:09.25 | Chikorita | or triangles? |
| 11:09.30 | rooter | that would mean it was electronic |
| 11:09.40 | Chikorita | yea generated |
| 11:09.43 | rooter | synthesized |
| 11:09.44 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 11:09.46 | rooter | :) |
| 11:09.52 | Chikorita | yea electronic |
| 11:10.55 | rooter | i downloaded some creapy electronic stuff for a halloween party i threw last year |
| 11:11.06 | Chikorita | o yea? |
| 11:11.30 | rooter | it was cool... at least scared the trick-or-treaters |
| 11:11.38 | Chikorita | heh |
| 11:15.04 | rooter | i'm going to the beach next week |
| 11:15.32 | rooter | http://www.emeraldislerealty.com/homes/atlan.html |
| 11:15.33 | Chikorita | kewl |
| 11:15.37 | Chikorita | which 1? |
| 11:15.44 | rooter | yeah.. i'm looking forward to it |
| 11:15.50 | rooter | emerald isle |
| 11:15.58 | Chikorita | ooH emerald isle n. carolina |
| 11:16.04 | rooter | yep |
| 11:16.20 | rooter | how did you know? |
| 11:16.26 | Chikorita | neva been 2 dat beach |
| 11:16.43 | rooter | ! |
| 11:16.45 | Chikorita | i been 2 myrtle beach tho , which iz kinda close y |
| 11:16.51 | rooter | ah |
| 11:16.57 | rooter | yes... south of there |
| 11:17.14 | rooter | we went to ocean isle last year |
| 11:17.22 | rooter | which is closer to myrte |
| 11:17.28 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 11:17.36 | Chikorita | kewl |
| 11:17.43 | Chikorita | watch out 4 da jellyfish |
| 11:17.48 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 11:17.56 | Chikorita | lotts of dem there |
| 11:18.05 | Chikorita | in da tidewatas |
| 11:18.16 | Chikorita | brb |
| 11:21.26 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 11:21.47 | Chikorita | ah |
| 11:24.44 | bomber_ | ~d |
| 11:26.10 | Chikorita | bomba imma send u more stuff k? jus 1 momo |
| 11:38.06 | bomber_ | chiko.....your music is so melancholic :o) |
| 11:38.10 | bomber_ | :o)) |
| 11:38.23 | bomber_ | ~d |
| 11:38.46 | bomber_ | i think you used it to go sleep :o) |
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| 11:40.23 | brlcad | mornin' tupone |
| 11:40.31 | Tupone | morning |
| 11:41.27 | Tupone | brlcad: where are you from? It's your morning or mine |
| 11:41.31 | Chikorita | i am gettin alil sleepy now afta listen 2 it |
| 11:41.31 | Chikorita | -.- |
| 11:41.31 | Chikorita | buh dis next song should wake u upz |
| 11:41.31 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 11:41.51 | brlcad | it's morning UGT :) |
| 11:42.36 | Tupone | We should say noon :) |
| 11:42.52 | brlcad | ~UGT |
| 11:42.52 | | from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. It states that it is always morning when person comes in, and it is always late when person leaves. Local time of any member of channel is irrelevant. |
| 11:43.09 | brlcad | hence.. g'morning ;) |
| 11:43.10 | Tupone | good to know |
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| 12:15.32 | Chikorita | ~d |
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| 12:19.13 | brlcad | how goes the bombing bomber? |
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| 12:30.47 | SGI | ~seen dtremenak |
| 12:30.48 | | dtremenak <~DTRemenak@host-226-203.dialup.innercite.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 8h 36m 6s ago, saying: 'ugh'. |
| 12:30.53 | *** part/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 12:37.34 | bomber_ | Chikorita: files are ok....many thx :o)) |
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| 13:35.16 | fiberchunks_ | allo |
| 13:35.22 | Chestal | hi |
| 13:35.31 | Chestal | any luck on 142.1 and .3? :-) |
| 13:35.52 | fiberchunks_ | no -- I gave up after about an hour of searching / looking at em :\ |
| 13:37.06 | fiberchunks_ | a rather odd question: I just received a mail that said 'user unknown' -- the weird part is - I never sent out a mail to that user ... so I'm wondering if some putz is spoofing my email account and tried to send a mail to someone that doesn't exist |
| 13:37.53 | Chestal | probably a sobig.f |
| 13:38.10 | fiberchunks_ | sobig.f ? |
| 13:38.22 | Chestal | that worm gathers addresses, sends itself to those addresses and fakes the sener address, too |
| 13:38.31 | Chestal | so it probably sent itself to this unknown user in your name |
| 13:39.01 | fiberchunks_ | is this a worm on my machine? or someone elses machine? |
| 13:39.13 | Chestal | does not mean it is on your machine |
| 13:39.27 | Chestal | I got a couple of this bounce messages, too |
| 13:40.05 | Chestal | I can send you the worm if you want to, though :-) |
| 13:40.18 | fiberchunks_ | hrm -- is there some way to determine whose machine it originated from -- so I can tell them they're infectified? |
| 13:40.29 | fiberchunks_ | no thanks -- thanks for the offer though ;) |
| 13:40.31 | Chestal | with the bounce message probably not |
| 13:40.41 | Chestal | you'd need the original mail's received-headers |
| 13:41.55 | Chestal | AFAIK sobig.f will deactivate itself soon anyway and will be replaced by sobig.g |
| 13:42.35 | fiberchunks_ | isn't that precious |
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| 13:43.32 | Chestal | people just shouldn't click on .pif files they receive |
| 13:43.33 | SGI | , |
| 13:43.38 | Chestal | hi SGI |
| 13:43.41 | SGI | +HI |
| 13:43.56 | SGI | SORRY DAUGHTER PLAYING WITH KEYBORAD |
| 13:44.14 | SGI | and she laaunched xchat |
| 13:44.21 | SGI | ,.j.j..j |
| 13:45.02 | fiberchunks_ | well, hello SGI's daughter! :) |
| 13:45.36 | SGI | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.15 | SGI | ok my monitor now its like a carbage disposal |
| 13:50.04 | SGI | ok after she destroyed all my desktop................. |
| 13:50.18 | SGI | I can write little bit |
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| 13:56.17 | KTL_ | known: an ip, wanted: all possible info about the system. Tried the following: ping (system is on), traceroute (ok near me), whois (provider known), ftp (no ftp), http (no http), ssh (no ssh), smb (ok smb, maybe win) |
| 13:57.12 | fiberchunks_ | for what reason? |
| 13:57.48 | KTL_ | well, trace a very strange email, without contacting somebody about it |
| 13:57.51 | fiberchunks_ | if you're really interested in the system in question -- toss off a very heavy nmap scan on the ip in question |
| 13:58.01 | KTL_ | nmap:-) |
| 13:58.05 | fiberchunks_ | ah, what kind of email did you get ? |
| 13:58.40 | fiberchunks_ | I just received an odd email myself -- from someone I don't have on my address list, and have no idea who they are (but it's a bounce, so I don't know who originated it) |
| 13:58.57 | KTL_ | well, a hotmail sender, call's himself tamara, want's to meet etc, |
| 13:59.01 | KTL_ | strange thingie was: |
| 13:59.11 | KTL_ | she he it new my name |
| 13:59.24 | KTL_ | and in my language |
| 13:59.26 | fiberchunks_ | do you own your own domain? |
| 13:59.32 | KTL_ | prename |
| 13:59.39 | fiberchunks_ | prename? |
| 14:00.27 | KTL_ | (not my family name but my normal dayly name, that one, don't know how they call that in english if it isn't prename) |
| 14:00.42 | fiberchunks_ | ah |
| 14:01.23 | fiberchunks_ | I'd toss off an nmap scan at the ip, but if the person on the other end is moderately intelligent, their logs will show the scan |
| 14:01.34 | KTL_ | lol:-) |
| 14:02.07 | fiberchunks_ | but that'll show you what OS (perhaps), all open ports, etc, etc |
| 14:02.07 | brlcad | lol, SGI :) |
| 14:02.16 | brlcad | mornin' fiber |
| 14:02.34 | fiberchunks_ | morning |
| 14:03.12 | brlcad | decided on a good name yet? |
| 14:03.27 | Chestal | brlcad: any luck on 142? :-) |
| 14:03.33 | fiberchunks_ | fabulous fish and the funky frood |
| 14:03.57 | KTL_ | aha it runs gnutella napster microsoft thingies, ... smsp ... netbios... |
| 14:03.57 | brlcad | Chestal: no :( |
| 14:04.05 | KTL_ | it certainly is win |
| 14:04.12 | SGI | I was playing with the little earthquake |
| 14:04.37 | KTL_ | (maybe i 'll be of the network some days because i think this 'll be logged by my provider, who really looks at these things:-) ) |
| 14:04.41 | brlcad | hehe, that is so much funnier when you know another langage sgi :) |
| 14:05.03 | brlcad | el pequeño terremota :) |
| 14:05.44 | SGI | nio she is a big earthquake......... |
| 14:06.15 | brlcad | er, la pequeña.. :) |
| 14:06.34 | SGI | yes |
| 14:06.43 | brlcad | hehe, how old is she? |
| 14:08.27 | KTL_ | ("tamara"? dont know, it has 16 year old school girl elements, but the mail is technically more advanced, above that level) |
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| 14:08.54 | SGI | 13months |
| 14:09.18 | brlcad | :) |
| 14:11.47 | KTL_ | aha... she he it uses an advanced mail composer, that explains the well placed animated gifs |
| 14:14.04 | KTL_ | she he it probably posted the subject after midnight |
| 14:16.37 | fiberchunks_ | ah, sometimes people send something without their knowledge -- like this email I received today... very, very odd |
| 14:20.08 | dheckaman | nickname |
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| 14:36.03 | bomber_ | hmmm |
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| 14:41.05 | tea|tree_ | ~ |
| 14:41.19 | tea|tree_ | ~d |
| 14:41.31 | tea|tree_ | ~d |
| 14:54.51 | bomber_ | ~d |
| 14:55.03 | brlcad | damn government office politics! |
| 14:55.31 | brlcad | i am so utterly pissed right now |
| 15:08.14 | tea|tree_ | ~ |
| 15:08.15 | tea|tree_ | ~d |
| 15:08.22 | tea|tree_ | :/ |
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| 16:06.24 | Legolas | hey all |
| 16:06.29 | Legolas | back from vac :) |
| 16:07.01 | patlabor221 | how was it? |
| 16:07.16 | Legolas | great |
| 16:07.30 | Legolas | it was only for 5 days or so |
| 16:07.39 | Legolas | read about it on the centrum :) |
| 16:08.14 | fiberchunks_ | so, has anyone had any experience with either p4host.com or siteflip.com as hosting providers? |
| 16:08.29 | patlabor221 | looks like magic mountan |
| 16:08.39 | patlabor221 | never used them |
| 16:08.42 | Legolas | no |
| 16:08.43 | patlabor221 | I use readyhosting.com |
| 16:08.50 | Legolas | it isnt that big |
| 16:08.56 | fiberchunks_ | linux-based or windows based? |
| 16:09.09 | patlabor221 | they have both, I think you have your choice |
| 16:09.24 | fiberchunks_ | damn, unmetered data transfer? |
| 16:09.31 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:09.37 | patlabor221 | I use there shared hosting |
| 16:09.43 | patlabor221 | but they also have full servers |
| 16:10.01 | fiberchunks_ | no python support -- do they provide shell / ssh access? |
| 16:10.11 | patlabor221 | dono, I use a windows server with them |
| 16:10.37 | fiberchunks_ | hrm -- do you host any mp3's on that site? |
| 16:10.48 | patlabor221 | there are a couple, not many tho |
| 16:11.10 | patlabor221 | but JeffC does on his RC sub account |
| 16:11.16 | fiberchunks_ | cause one of the primary goals of getting a specific host for me is being able to host my buds' and my own 'original' mp3 |
| 16:11.28 | patlabor221 | yeah you can do that |
| 16:11.33 | fiberchunks_ | ah, cool |
| 16:11.44 | patlabor221 | call them up and see what they got, they have installed stuff for us when we have asked |
| 16:12.04 | patlabor221 | we sent them some ASP commonents for our windows site, and they installed it. |
| 16:12.05 | fiberchunks_ | cool |
| 16:12.14 | fiberchunks_ | they only use mssql? |
| 16:13.12 | patlabor221 | they had a number of database options |
| 16:13.49 | patlabor221 | and if you reg the domain tru them, they pay the reg fees |
| 16:14.26 | patlabor221 | and aditional sub sites are 50% off |
| 16:15.21 | fiberchunks_ | I noticed that as well |
| 16:26.07 | fiberchunks_ | hrm |
| 16:34.42 | fiberchunks_ | oooo, I gotta get them ;) |
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| 16:48.21 | fiberchunks_ | jeezus, there are just too many options to make an intelligent decision |
| 16:48.58 | JBDiGriz | Then raise the GDI quotient and use darts... |
| 16:49.40 | patlabor221 | it's rather high today |
| 16:50.42 | bryjen | GDI ? |
| 16:50.54 | JBDiGriz | The Dilbert newsletter arrived yesterday, I can deal with a higher GDI ;-) |
| 16:52.22 | fiberchunks_ | what new and exciting things is the pointy haired one doing today ? |
| 16:53.42 | JBDiGriz | Find a typical in-duh-vidual, and recite the following encouragement to them "The key to our success will be your execution." |
| 16:54.19 | fiberchunks_ | nice and ambiguous ;) |
| 16:55.12 | JBDiGriz | It's not at all ambiguous to me. When I use a word, it means exactly what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less. |
| 16:55.37 | fiberchunks_ | execution -- it can be taken, in that context, in 2 different ways :) |
| 16:57.16 | JBDiGriz | "You're a minefield of information." |
| 16:58.13 | fiberchunks_ | heh |
| 16:58.42 | JBDiGriz | That's also from the newsletter, I recommend receiving it. |
| 16:58.47 | fiberchunks_ | patlabor221: what does asgard use regarding monthly bandwidth? (that's the current point that I'm having issues figuring out) |
| 16:59.24 | patlabor221 | I dono, how do I tell? |
| 17:00.14 | fiberchunks_ | I dunno if you can without a tool of some sort -- I'm having issues trying to relate how much bandwidth / month I would need -- anyone else have a clue how to figure that out? |
| 17:00.21 | fiberchunks_ | or have any concrete numbers? |
| 17:00.33 | fiberchunks_ | ~seen quol |
| 17:00.35 | | quol <~quolsimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3d 21h 35m 43s ago, saying: 'hmm - now I can't browse the net at all'. |
| 17:00.50 | patlabor221 | when I was loging I was doing about 100 megs a day of "not me" trafic |
| 17:00.52 | JBDiGriz | quol is on vacation for about 10 days |
| 17:00.58 | bryjen | go back in time a month, zero some counters, come back to now and tell us what they say |
| 17:01.01 | fiberchunks_ | ah, really? |
| 17:01.07 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:01.34 | fiberchunks_ | so that's what, 100*30 for average monthly bandwidth? |
| 17:01.41 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:01.51 | fiberchunks_ | 30,000 MB? that sound about right? |
| 17:02.11 | patlabor221 | it must |
| 17:02.18 | JBDiGriz | He did discuss some bandwidth figures about 4-5 days ago if you want to check the logs |
| 17:02.19 | patlabor221 | 3 gigs |
| 17:02.27 | fiberchunks_ | 30 gigs |
| 17:02.34 | patlabor221 | no cus that would be a gig a day |
| 17:02.44 | patlabor221 | 3000 megs |
| 17:02.51 | patlabor221 | math is fun :) |
| 17:02.59 | fiberchunks_ | heh |
| 17:03.04 | JBDiGriz | Mind your decimal point. |
| 17:03.24 | patlabor221 | onnly accept bounus zeros on your paychecks |
| 17:03.35 | fiberchunks_ | indeed -- jeez -- I didn't used to be this bad at simple multiplication ;) |
| 17:03.35 | JBDiGriz | fiberchunks_: When you actually come to some conclusion, why don't you write it up for either centrum or the wiki? |
| 17:03.39 | fiberchunks_ | must be the beer |
| 17:04.00 | JBDiGriz | Maybe it was 5 beers in 4 hours? |
| 17:04.19 | fiberchunks_ | I think I may -- but this isn't really for bzfs specifically -- it's trying to find a host / bandwidth that fits my needs that is killing me |
| 17:04.56 | JBDiGriz | The question comes up often enough in this forum that it would be nice to have some basis for the discussion each time. |
| 17:05.03 | fiberchunks_ | indeed |
| 17:05.38 | JBDiGriz | I would doubt anyone is purchasing bandwidth specifically for bz, but I'm not a good judge of people's motivations ;-) |
| 17:05.52 | fiberchunks_ | be nice if bzfs or bzadmin had a /stats command for admins / owners that showed usage / bandwidth stuff |
| 17:06.27 | patlabor221 | well BZ is a bandwith whore imho |
| 17:06.34 | JBDiGriz | I don't think we're currently tracking the information. |
| 17:06.40 | patlabor221 | tho I've never tracked stats |
| 17:06.51 | fiberchunks_ | right, that's my point for an inclusion of such a command |
| 17:08.24 | patlabor221 | would have to factor in packet headers and all that too |
| 17:08.30 | JBDiGriz | We could do some analysis using netstat |
| 17:08.45 | fiberchunks_ | or ntop |
| 17:09.04 | fiberchunks_ | or nettop (whatever it's called) -- but I'm not sure if it works on winderz boxen as well |
| 17:09.34 | bryjen | doesn't the debug build dump some stats whenever a player leaves? |
| 17:09.36 | patlabor221 | we have netstat yes |
| 17:09.41 | fiberchunks_ | bryjen: yes |
| 17:09.45 | patlabor221 | tho remember we have no piping |
| 17:09.49 | fiberchunks_ | indeed |
| 17:10.49 | fiberchunks_ | I dunno, I just figured that something like foo = sizeof(packet); bytecounter += foo; and then /stats could just dump all those little counters |
| 17:11.36 | patlabor221 | it could but you would have to add stuff to foo |
| 17:11.44 | fiberchunks_ | I think it would be a handy tool for those of us who want to use bandwidth management tools on net-based processes |
| 17:11.45 | patlabor221 | cus there is udp foo and tcp foo |
| 17:11.50 | patlabor221 | and they have difrent header sizes |
| 17:13.00 | fiberchunks_ | well, yeah, but that was just a general example: udpfoo = sizeof(udppacket); tcpfoo = sizeof(tcppacket); udpbytes += udpfoo; tcpbytes += tcpfoo; if (/stats); sprintf .... etc etc |
| 17:13.31 | patlabor221 | and you would want to keep the start time and current time to give a bytes/min or something like that |
| 17:13.36 | fiberchunks_ | for tx, rx, playercounts per day, etc -- not sure how fine it should be resolved (i.e. per minute, day, etc) |
| 17:13.36 | patlabor221 | it shoudl be easy to do |
| 17:13.52 | patlabor221 | so code it up :) |
| 17:14.00 | fiberchunks_ | lol |
| 17:14.11 | fiberchunks_ | patches welcome? ;) |
| 17:14.32 | patlabor221 | no, no patch |
| 17:14.35 | patlabor221 | code it and commit |
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| 17:17.55 | anacondaac | hi |
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| 17:26.30 | patlabor221 | "... but the soul still burns!!!" |
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| 17:37.28 | SGI | hi |
| 17:37.51 | SGI | only |
| 17:38.37 | scanline | fiberchunks_: you should add an rrdtool option-doodad to bzfs :) |
| 17:45.39 | patlabor221 | would that be bzfs --doodad? |
| 17:46.59 | patlabor221 | hmm learner has got over 300 lines on me :( |
| 17:49.39 | scanline | nah, bzfs has that weird syntax, so it'd be something like 'bzfs +option -- doodad" |
| 17:51.02 | patlabor221 | ohh yeah I forgot |
| 17:51.59 | patlabor221 | ohh you guys gonna get SG1 season 4? |
| 18:11.24 | fiberchunks_ | a what? |
| 18:11.33 | fiberchunks_ | rrdtool ? |
| 18:14.00 | scanline | patlabor221: eventually I'm sure |
| 18:14.17 | scanline | fiberchunks_: rrdtool is a really spiffy data logger and grapher used all over the place for router monitoring |
| 18:14.21 | scanline | fiberchunks_: look it up |
| 18:14.47 | scanline | it's usually used for network monitoring, but it's generic and should work nicely for bzfs |
| 18:21.07 | fiberchunks_ | ah |
| 18:21.19 | patlabor221 | I wonder if they are single layer disks |
| 18:21.25 | patlabor221 | cus if so I could dupe them |
| 18:22.44 | patlabor221 | so how is the new apt? |
| 18:23.16 | scanline | quite nice |
| 18:23.21 | scanline | lots of room |
| 18:23.46 | patlabor221 | yeah nice to have a place that is quieter then a dorm I would guess |
| 18:23.55 | scanline | that too |
| 18:24.04 | scanline | and it has a kitchen, and carpet |
| 18:24.12 | patlabor221 | allways a bonux |
| 18:24.15 | patlabor221 | bonus |
| 18:24.32 | patlabor221 | my ex-gf was soo very happy when she got a dorm with a kitchen |
| 18:24.50 | patlabor221 | how far from the campus? |
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| 18:26.22 | patlabor221 | must go yell at the head of testing. |
| 18:27.28 | scanline | don't know exactly how far it is.. but about a 15 minute walk I think |
| 18:30.32 | patlabor221 | coo |
| 18:51.20 | tea|tree_ | ~d |
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| 19:03.09 | fiberchunks_ | anyone know what the code is for the 'registration' mark on websites? I know that © gives you a copyright |
| 19:11.05 | scanline | look for a list of HTML entities |
| 19:16.00 | fiberchunks_ | got it, thanks though :) |
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| 19:31.04 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: Do people get a message if they're banned? |
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| 19:33.29 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: (If so, can we make sure that there's a point of contact or something?) |
| 19:39.01 | bryjen | ElectricElf: i think the message is builtin to the server, something like "You were banned by " whoever |
| 19:39.14 | ElectricElf | bryjen: Allright, thanks. |
| 19:41.57 | bryjen | Errr, that's message is sent when you /ban somebody who is connected. If they're already banned and they try to connect, I don't think they can tell why they're not getting in |
| 19:42.12 | ElectricElf | Hmm. |
| 19:42.32 | ElectricElf | I think I'll file a feature request asking for the ability to assign messages to bans, so that I can set a custom message. |
| 19:42.51 | ElectricElf | I don't like the idea of banning people without them being able to contact me later in case there was a mistake or something. |
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| 19:45.40 | bryjen | There was talk of adding a textual "reason" field to BZ's Reject message... |
| 19:49.33 | ElectricElf | Yeah, that's what I'm after. |
| 20:03.18 | bryjen | But I think the check for banned addresses happens right after the connect, and it just closes the connection if you're banned :( |
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| 20:10.17 | patlabor221 | http://www.tashian.com/multibabel/ |
| 20:11.20 | patlabor221 | One ring to bind them, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them. became... Everything discovers the density and 1 ring and this person, with this |
| 20:11.21 | patlabor221 | connection, the ring of ring 1 are this person, of whom repaired here. |
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| 20:12.16 | JBDiGriz | patlabor221: It does not shake in the commerce with the Magiern for is final and |
| 20:12.16 | JBDiGriz | fast to be caused. |
| 20:12.25 | patlabor221 | wow |
| 20:12.43 | patlabor221 | Umoungst of the moon and lascivi to the game robs he I them stars. You |
| 20:12.44 | patlabor221 | see in the left, that one the force that motivates is like in Jupiter |
| 20:12.44 | patlabor221 | and the dispersion. |
| 20:15.09 | JBDiGriz | It does not shake in the commerce with the red one of deers which they fly for you knirschen and goodses of the assagiano with Ketschup. |
| 20:15.27 | JBDiGriz | I'm not even sure what most of that means. |
| 20:15.34 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 20:15.36 | patlabor221 | deers? |
| 20:15.49 | patlabor221 | how that that come from dragons |
| 20:15.59 | JBDiGriz | Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with catsup. |
| 20:16.16 | patlabor221 | yeah that's what I figured too |
| 20:16.23 | JBDiGriz | I'm impressed that you recognized it at all. |
| 20:16.38 | patlabor221 | the ketschup part clued me in |
| 20:17.21 | JBDiGriz | You are unfairly raising the curve of the human population ;-) |
| 20:19.42 | KTL_ | !dict catsup |
| 20:19.48 | KTL_ | ~dict catsup |
| 20:19.57 | captain_proton | ...spicy? |
| 20:20.06 | patlabor221 | WTF? |
| 20:20.16 | patlabor221 | its just got salt in it |
| 20:20.21 | KTL_ | ~dict assagiono |
| 20:20.38 | JBDiGriz | Ketchup has a ton of sugar in it. |
| 20:20.40 | KTL_ | ~ispell ketschup |
| 20:20.41 | | possible spellings for ketschup: kitsches kitschy Netscape kitsch teacup kitsch's getup Katuscha |
| 20:20.55 | patlabor221 | ~dict getup |
| 20:21.14 | KTL_ | ~dict lascivi |
| 20:21.16 | JBDiGriz | ~dict knirschen |
| 20:21.25 | patlabor221 | ~dict kitschy |
| 20:21.41 | JBDiGriz | ~dict kitsch |
| 20:21.58 | patlabor221 | whoot twardy |
| 20:22.00 | KTL_ | ~dict Katuscha |
| 20:22.04 | JBDiGriz | Sounds like some of our participants |
| 20:22.06 | patlabor221 | whoot twardy |
| 20:22.16 | patlabor221 | ~twardy |
| 20:22.23 | patlabor221 | ~dict twardy |
| 20:22.32 | JBDiGriz | ~dict tawdry |
| 20:23.03 | JBDiGriz | ~dict dyslexia |
| 20:23.31 | KTL_ | ~dict eco |
| 20:24.09 | KTL_ | (the language used above looked umberto eco-language) |
| 20:25.24 | JBDiGriz | Here's a challenge, I let it use the eastern languages for this one. |
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| 20:25.35 | JBDiGriz | The song of the method is the cause that is the poetry strong of hes of goodses incorporates and drunk not its thing informed in handguard? Disturba. |
| 20:25.39 | patlabor221 | yeah tha tmeks it fun |
| 20:26.59 | JBDiGriz | Now here's the original. Do not teach a pig how to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig. |
| 20:27.09 | KTL_ | knor knor |
| 20:27.12 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 20:27.43 | KTL_ | grooink |
| 20:28.02 | JBDiGriz | Take a couple of quotes, babelize, add some connecting language, and we have a best seller. ;-) |
| 20:28.26 | patlabor221 | yeah just say it's by Jack Handy |
| 20:28.49 | KTL_ | can be true, and make a filosophy book with it |
| 20:29.05 | JBDiGriz | That could get us sued, How about saying it's by Hans Jacky? |
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| 20:29.13 | patlabor221 | and a philosophy book too |
| 20:29.27 | KTL_ | hopefully they 'll teach it in the universities |
| 20:29.46 | KTL_ | brings all the students to true enlightment |
| 20:30.05 | JBDiGriz | Zen enlightenment (boot to the head) |
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| 20:52.40 | bryjen | ~dict ketchup |
| 20:58.18 | Chestal | time to read alt.ketchup again |
| 20:58.36 | Chestal | hmm, or was it alt.fan.ketchup? |
| 21:00.12 | JBDiGriz | alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork |
| 21:00.25 | bryjen | do not let the ketchup hit the fan! ;) |
| 21:00.50 | bryjen | messssy |
| 21:02.06 | Chestal | hm, I'm quite sure it was alt.fan.ketcuhp but it seems to have faded away. That's very sad, it was such a lively newsgroup 5 years or so ago |
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| 21:06.54 | rooter | bye all |
| 21:07.02 | rooter | i'm going on vacation all next week |
| 21:10.58 | JBDiGriz | ~dict salsa |
| 21:12.01 | JBDiGriz | ~dict marinara |
| 21:12.23 | Chestal | hmm, who is the master of WordFilter? |
| 21:13.23 | JBDiGriz | Is that the server side filter for questionable words? |
| 21:13.44 | Chestal | I think so |
| 21:13.56 | JBDiGriz | That would be learner. |
| 21:14.35 | purple_cow | doodeedoo |
| 21:14.57 | JBDiGriz | How now purple cow? |
| 21:15.30 | Chestal | I dont thnk it's too compatible with non-ASCII characters |
| 21:15.30 | purple_cow | mmmyep |
| 21:15.36 | Chestal | but then this is still a mess in bzflag all over |
| 21:15.56 | bryjen | 3 moo |
| 21:16.17 | bryjen | 6 moo |
| 21:16.19 | bryjen | ah |
| 21:25.50 | patlabor221 | fiber, did you watch ep 17? |
| 21:29.27 | purple_cow | wheebie |
| 21:41.35 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): fix a warning and identation in autopilot code (remember that indentation depth is 2 and tab is 8) |
| 21:41.43 | purple_cow | whoa |
| 21:41.45 | purple_cow | a bzflag commit |
| 21:43.03 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): fix some warnings because a char was used as array index; can cuase problem when char is signed and contains values<0 (>=128); does filter work at all for 8 bit characters? can that occur? |
| 21:47.25 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): use curMaxPlayers whenever possible (maxPlayers does not seem to be used at all now, hmm) |
| 21:50.25 | *** join/#bzflag BZSpiff (BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com) |
| 21:50.39 | *** join/#bzflag BZSpiff (BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com) |
| 21:53.15 | BZSpiff | Hey all. :-) |
| 21:54.49 | bryjen | 'lo |
| 21:55.11 | patlabor221 | supz0r |
| 21:57.03 | BZSpiff | Boredom. :-) |
| 21:59.22 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 22:00.10 | patlabor221 | what about your model? |
| 22:00.20 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): sound problems |
| 22:01.29 | patlabor221 | gonna crush some beer cans |
| 22:02.23 | JBDiGriz | I thought the squish from running over a burrowed tank is rather satisfying. |
| 22:02.32 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): selecting world weapon as message target crashes bzflag |
| 22:02.33 | patlabor221 | I find it silly |
| 22:03.04 | patlabor221 | dosn't match the feel of any of the other sounds |
| 22:03.08 | Chestal | we still have no 'I am rabbit' sound |
| 22:03.32 | patlabor221 | "run luke..Run..." |
| 22:03.42 | Chestal | hmm, the random world creation code scales buildings relative to worldsize |
| 22:03.58 | Chestal | not sure this is a good idea |
| 22:04.11 | patlabor221 | yes, I added that |
| 22:04.18 | patlabor221 | cus small worlds ended up with no free area |
| 22:04.31 | patlabor221 | the buildings were a fixed size |
| 22:04.40 | Chestal | maybe we need to add even more parameters to bzfs |
| 22:04.48 | patlabor221 | I did think that less buildings would be a better option |
| 22:04.48 | Chestal | always wanted to have more influence on the creation of random worlds anyway |
| 22:04.52 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:05.05 | patlabor221 | like min/max size number of objects, etc |
| 22:05.05 | Chestal | when you define a huge world now, you get huge buildings which is somewhat silly |
| 22:05.14 | patlabor221 | this is true |
| 22:05.21 | Chestal | also, maybe we need to do somethign about the radar for other world sizes |
| 22:05.26 | patlabor221 | like I say , I think more or less buildings would be better |
| 22:05.37 | patlabor221 | like change the zoom levels? |
| 22:05.47 | Chestal | yes, not quite sure |
| 22:05.58 | Chestal | righ tnow they are relative to the world size, which makes sense at lweast for '§' |
| 22:06.01 | Chestal | eh, '3' |
| 22:06.07 | Chestal | so you can see all of the world at once |
| 22:06.10 | *** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 22:06.16 | patlabor221 | I put in the scaling to get around the infinate loop situation that was hapening on small worlds |
| 22:06.24 | patlabor221 | enhanceing it would be a good thing |
| 22:06.33 | Chestal | not quite sure how |
| 22:06.39 | Chestal | do we already have zoomin/zoomout keys? |
| 22:06.50 | Chestal | gues that would be easy to do now? was easy in 1.8 |
| 22:07.03 | Chestal | although I am not sure if they are that useful |
| 22:07.32 | Chestal | hmm, why an infinite loop? |
| 22:07.36 | Chestal | ah |
| 22:07.42 | patlabor221 | looking for a place to spawn |
| 22:07.46 | *** join/#bzflag mmu (~revol@ALyon-209-1-33-25.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:07.50 | patlabor221 | had nowhere a tank would fit |
| 22:07.53 | Chestal | yes, though tyou were talkign about radar |
| 22:07.57 | patlabor221 | ohh no |
| 22:08.08 | patlabor221 | I never change radar range, tho I hear many many others do. |
| 22:08.15 | Chestal | all the time |
| 22:09.27 | Chestal | I wish that MAC would be here sometimes when I am here, too |
| 22:09.51 | patlabor221 | he seems to be very much the night owl |
| 22:09.56 | Chestal | btw., 1.9 seems to be noticeably slower than 1.7, although I have to do some real tests. I suspect it's the many bzdb lookups |
| 22:10.15 | Chestal | we might need to think about a way to really cache soem of the variables |
| 22:10.47 | Chestal | I assuem we have lots of string lookups per frame now |
| 22:11.11 | Chestal | hmm, maybe we shoudl integrate stats into bzdb so we see which variables are accessed most often |
| 22:11.35 | Chestal | but I'd assume that thigns like gravity, tankspeed etc. really must be wrapped |
| 22:11.46 | Tupone | I can run it with profiling ... |
| 22:11.54 | patlabor221 | people are using BZDB for all kinds of stuff |
| 22:12.00 | Chestal | bzfalg is probably hard to profile |
| 22:12.01 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug_ (~~joe@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 22:12.19 | Chestal | I mean, it will spent >90% doign GL stuff, but that is done asynchronously, or can |
| 22:12.29 | patlabor221 | it can be wraped, but I don't think BZDB is the best wraper for common access stuff |
| 22:12.33 | JBDiGriz | Tupone has managed to profile it before, but I don't think it will let us know which variables are being accessed. |
| 22:12.36 | Chestal | patlabor: well, basically all of the global parameters are in there now |
| 22:12.40 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:12.49 | patlabor221 | and I think many of them are access many times per frame |
| 22:12.55 | Chestal | patlabor: it allows us to set those on the server now |
| 22:12.55 | patlabor221 | and on a map lookup that will take time. |
| 22:13.00 | patlabor221 | yeah I know |
| 22:13.04 | patlabor221 | it IS a good thing |
| 22:13.10 | Chestal | but I don't think that bzdb accesses should be cluttered all over the code, we must wrap them |
| 22:13.14 | patlabor221 | just perhaps a hash would be better |
| 22:13.24 | Chestal | na, direct access |
| 22:13.30 | patlabor221 | even better |
| 22:13.37 | Chestal | hash is still1 or 2 orders of magnitude slower than direct access |
| 22:13.44 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:13.49 | patlabor221 | now it's a map is it not? |
| 22:13.53 | Chestal | and defien callbacks to change variables |
| 22:13.57 | Chestal | they are basically constants |
| 22:14.00 | BZSpiff | Eek. Spaced out there.. *snicker* My model.. hmmph. Sorta mad at my lack of creativity right now... but I'll get to it. |
| 22:14.10 | Chestal | no idea, I think there is a map for cacheing or soemthing |
| 22:14.18 | patlabor221 | then draw, and not model |
| 22:14.19 | Chestal | haven't really looked at the code |
| 22:14.23 | Tupone | With profiling, if working, we could see the number of call for each different access to bzdb |
| 22:14.25 | patlabor221 | just doodle :) |
| 22:15.36 | BZSpiff | I'm considering that. Although I think I may be better off to start over. |
| 22:15.40 | patlabor221 | I wonder if there is an enet_copy_packet |
| 22:16.31 | patlabor221 | BZSpiff I mean to get the creative juces flowing, just put that model away for now and sketch up what is in your mind. It dosn't have to be clean or neat, just let your imaginatioin move the pencel |
| 22:16.49 | patlabor221 | and keep reworking it till you get a good idea |
| 22:16.57 | patlabor221 | the ether clean up or model from that. |
| 22:17.44 | Chestal | changing some of the game variables on the fly works quite nicely |
| 22:17.59 | Chestal | for others, you have to reconnect to relaly make them work |
| 22:18.39 | Chestal | well, do you need them? using pointers? |
| 22:19.05 | Chestal | bzflag is still using too many pointers in high-level code IMHO |
| 22:19.12 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:19.32 | patlabor221 | each class has a pointer to it's "info" structure |
| 22:19.50 | patlabor221 | since I can't expose STL containers in the header |
| 22:20.15 | Chestal | you can't? |
| 22:20.27 | patlabor221 | no, they are exported from a DLL |
| 22:20.32 | Chestal | uh |
| 22:20.48 | Chestal | had some fun with using a map in a DLL some years ago |
| 22:20.52 | patlabor221 | no templates cus the DLL caller would allocate the memory for them, and that's a nono |
| 22:21.03 | patlabor221 | if you slap it in a pimple it's rather easy |
| 22:21.06 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~orchid@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 22:21.31 | bzgirl | hi |
| 22:21.37 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 22:21.46 | Chestal | IIRC the issue back then was that the map code used some global static variable, but it referred to two different incarnations, one in the DLL and one in the exe data segment |
| 22:22.03 | patlabor221 | that may be it |
| 22:22.11 | Chestal | hi bzg |
| 22:22.16 | patlabor221 | but there would also be memory allocation issues posibly |
| 22:22.23 | patlabor221 | so I just wrap them up, makes it easy |
| 22:22.39 | Chestal | bzg: we figured out almost all of the 2 new invisibles, but on 142 we are stillmissing 1 and 3 |
| 22:23.03 | Chestal | ok, then you betetr write cctor, = and dtor |
| 22:23.30 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 22:24.04 | Chestal | patlabor: btw., cou coudl try to add #define for if (false) ; else to some header file which is used for VC++ in bzflag and see if everythign works |
| 22:24.18 | Chestal | I am so sick of having to write aroudn the for scoping bug |
| 22:24.31 | patlabor221 | we tried that, it didn't work |
| 22:24.42 | Chestal | why not? |
| 22:24.43 | patlabor221 | MAC sugested the same thing |
| 22:24.50 | patlabor221 | cus it errored out. |
| 22:25.00 | Chestal | hmm, I cannot imagine why |
| 22:25.04 | patlabor221 | dono |
| 22:25.06 | patlabor221 | just did |
| 22:25.13 | Chestal | unless some windows specific code makes use of that bug |
| 22:25.22 | patlabor221 | again, dono |
| 22:25.28 | Chestal | maybe some windows header files get busted? |
| 22:26.01 | patlabor221 | 10 print "dono"; 20 goto 10 |
| 22:28.28 | BZSpiff | Well..... maybe I'll do that, Patlabor. :-D Although I've got about 500 IM windows open at the moment. ;-) |
| 22:28.32 | BZSpiff | And hi bzgirl. :-) |
| 22:29.19 | Chestal | hi SPiff. Maybe you can help: http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/invisible_142.shtml |
| 22:30.26 | bzgirl | chestal i have no clue on #1 or #3, but #3 looks very familiar, prison movie? |
| 22:30.38 | bzgirl | hi spiffy |
| 22:30.40 | patlabor221 | #1 is NOT repo man |
| 22:30.51 | Chestal | bzgirl: well, there's the alarm light, hmm |
| 22:30.59 | Chestal | do we agree that is is a woman in #3? |
| 22:31.23 | patlabor221 | yes, I see boobs |
| 22:31.24 | bzgirl | i think it might be a British Policewoman? |
| 22:31.31 | bzgirl | patlabor221: :) |
| 22:31.35 | patlabor221 | well |
| 22:31.46 | patlabor221 | and waist and aproximate hip size seem to match |
| 22:32.04 | bzgirl | patlabor221: you prolly say that whenever you walk around the mall :) |
| 22:32.10 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:32.15 | patlabor221 | how did you know :) |
| 22:32.35 | patlabor221 | some girls these days have little boy hips tho, it's disturbing. |
| 22:33.16 | Chestal | ~dict androgynous |
| 22:33.17 | patlabor221 | I also do't think a male uniform would have that cut on the collar |
| 22:33.41 | patlabor221 | they would be more square |
| 22:35.08 | BZSpiff | Eww@ little boy hips |
| 22:35.55 | bzgirl | chestal can you read her nametag? |
| 22:36.37 | Chestal | bzgirl: you can try zooming in ;-) |
| 22:36.57 | bzgirl | my browser dosent support zooming :) |
| 22:38.36 | patlabor221 | we did |
| 22:38.41 | patlabor221 | it's like 5 vertical lines |
| 22:38.52 | patlabor221 | even tryed messing with it in photoshop |
| 22:39.08 | patlabor221 | but it seesm I don't have the "enhance" plugin like they show on the movies :) |
| 22:39.37 | JBDiGriz | The "BladeRunner" enhancement machine would make life much easier ;-) |
| 22:39.42 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:39.46 | Chestal | na, the actual writing is only 1 to 2 pixels, no chance |
| 22:39.54 | patlabor221 | "add infinate resolution, please" |
| 22:40.05 | patlabor221 | yeah it's to small |
| 22:40.18 | Chestal | but if you almost close your eyes, you can imagine things -) |
| 22:40.18 | JBDiGriz | Reality vs. the movies. |
| 22:40.34 | patlabor221 | reality sucks |
| 22:40.44 | JBDiGriz | So do many movies. |
| 22:40.54 | patlabor221 | just like many realitys |
| 22:41.03 | bzgirl | seariously, there arnet programs that can do that? |
| 22:41.10 | patlabor221 | you can't add data |
| 22:41.14 | patlabor221 | just interpolate it |
| 22:41.31 | JBDiGriz | You can add data, but there's no reason to believe that it relates to anything. |
| 22:41.37 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:41.44 | patlabor221 | you can't add detail is what I was trying to say |
| 22:41.48 | scanline | you can do more than interpolate... |
| 22:41.55 | patlabor221 | you can jsut add data that is a guess |
| 22:41.57 | scanline | unsharp masks for example |
| 22:42.02 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:42.08 | scanline | but it doesn't add any new information |
| 22:42.16 | patlabor221 | but not to turn 2 pixels into a letter |
| 22:42.26 | JBDiGriz | I think we're all in violent agreement here. |
| 22:42.36 | patlabor221 | yes DAMNIT!!! :) |
| 22:42.37 | scanline | well, there are some scary things you can do with frequency domain analysis :) |
| 22:42.54 | patlabor221 | well then you try and figure out who she is :) |
| 22:43.25 | JBDiGriz | pat has already run it through his analyzer to get a match for body parts. |
| 22:43.55 | patlabor221 | yeah it did match demi moore's boob to sholder distance ratio |
| 22:44.11 | Chestal | I need an image search engine which I can feed a similar image |
| 22:44.20 | patlabor221 | pre-boob job tho |
| 22:44.48 | patlabor221 | like in the movies :) |
| 22:45.06 | patlabor221 | well they must pulled that from a DVD |
| 22:45.50 | Chestal | woah, this is some hard stuff I am listening to. At least the frequency finally dropped below 15kHz |
| 22:50.09 | bzgirl | whats going on in #1? |
| 22:50.46 | patlabor221 | a post shower beer |
| 22:52.49 | bzgirl | yeah but the can isnt the right angle to drink from is it? |
| 22:53.30 | patlabor221 | no it's not |
| 22:53.50 | patlabor221 | we think the hands are up in some sort of animated jesture |
| 22:54.24 | bzgirl | so if the hands are up, whats holding the can? |
| 22:55.00 | bzgirl | oh, maybe the other guy |
| 22:55.10 | Chestal | wasn't someone assuming that she is "fast-drinking" the can? |
| 22:56.16 | patlabor221 | actualy she can't be holding it |
| 22:56.21 | patlabor221 | no way no how |
| 22:56.30 | patlabor221 | so it has to be him |
| 22:56.44 | patlabor221 | tho his arm would have to be VERY long |
| 22:57.08 | bzgirl | that rules out Kevin Bacon |
| 22:57.42 | patlabor221 | elbows are at the wrong place for her to be able to hold it |
| 22:59.16 | patlabor221 | yay I get to redo the entire Network Message class :) |
| 23:19.24 | BZSpiff | I'm curious.... |
| 23:19.34 | BZSpiff | Is there a way to make the Silence command work by IP/ |
| 23:19.36 | BZSpiff | ? |
| 23:20.19 | *** join/#bzflag Skipp (~Skipp@12-206-137-38.client.attbi.com) |
| 23:20.22 | Skipp | hello |
| 23:20.40 | BZSpiff | Hiya Skipp. :-) |
| 23:20.46 | Skipp | i was wondering if pybzflag is playable yet :) |
| 23:21.38 | Skipp | hey spiff |
| 23:22.41 | fiberchunks_ | yes, I was thinking that she was learning to chug a beer from him (I could swear that I have seen that movie) |
| 23:27.48 | *** part/#bzflag Skipp (~Skipp@12-206-137-38.client.attbi.com) |
| 23:28.07 | tea|tree_ | ~d |
| 23:28.33 | patlabor221 | what is on the guys shirt? |
| 23:31.39 | fiberchunks_ | some sort of caricature -- not sure, laurel and hardy? abbot and costello? dunno |
| 23:32.06 | patlabor221 | no it's a man and a woman |
| 23:32.09 | patlabor221 | woman has big hair |
| 23:32.18 | patlabor221 | man looks like J Edgar Hoover |
| 23:34.37 | patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/images/image_01-close.jpg |
| 23:36.39 | fiberchunks_ | hrm |
| 23:38.50 | tea|tree_ | pat? |
| 23:38.55 | tea|tree_ | fiber? |
| 23:38.59 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:39.19 | tea|tree_ | Im quite angry about this post in the forum |
| 23:39.21 | tea|tree_ | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=995 |
| 23:39.33 | tea|tree_ | im damn angry |
| 23:39.55 | patlabor221 | umm why? |
| 23:40.04 | tea|tree_ | did u read the post? |
| 23:40.19 | tea|tree_ | from Head? |
| 23:40.24 | patlabor221 | yeah, It just seems to be somone sugesting an idea |
| 23:40.38 | patlabor221 | it may be silly |
| 23:40.41 | patlabor221 | but it's his idea |
| 23:40.52 | tea|tree_ | would be able to travel 50% faster ?! |
| 23:40.54 | patlabor221 | and you stated your opionion |
| 23:40.57 | tea|tree_ | hello ?! |
| 23:41.06 | tea|tree_ | yeah im a bit bad mood sorry |
| 23:41.14 | patlabor221 | he's sugesting a difrent game type |
| 23:41.15 | patlabor221 | so |
| 23:41.20 | patlabor221 | and wants input |
| 23:41.25 | tea|tree_ | hmm |
| 23:41.28 | patlabor221 | I see nothing wrong with this |
| 23:41.41 | patlabor221 | " I think it would be cool if..." |
| 23:41.58 | tea|tree_ | can u delete my post |
| 23:42.08 | tea|tree_ | im saying nothing to that |
| 23:42.11 | tea|tree_ | no more |
| 23:42.15 | patlabor221 | huh? |
| 23:42.20 | JBDiGriz | You can go back and edit the post yourself. |
| 23:42.21 | patlabor221 | you can post a follow up if you want |
| 23:42.22 | tea|tree_ | sorry im very angry |
| 23:42.26 | patlabor221 | why? |
| 23:42.48 | patlabor221 | just cus somone has an idea for a game type? |
| 23:43.02 | tea|tree_ | Yes i understood |
| 23:43.07 | tea|tree_ | sorry i am in a bad mood |
| 23:43.15 | tea|tree_ | damn it |
| 23:43.29 | patlabor221 | what did you think he was saying? |
| 23:43.43 | tea|tree_ | that when its 3 vs 2 |
| 23:44.15 | patlabor221 | ?? |
| 23:44.17 | JBDiGriz | Perhaps you should edit the post to say nothing, and then take some time to relax before responding here or there. |
| 23:44.33 | patlabor221 | I don't even see why anyone would get upset at this |
| 23:44.59 | tea|tree_ | that the tanks the 2 tanks can move bloody 50% fast then the others because they aint so much and the 3 tanks can only carry flag to half way?! |
| 23:45.07 | patlabor221 | I kinda like his idea, tho I don't think 50% is the right number |
| 23:45.11 | tea|tree_ | JBDiGriz thats true |
| 23:45.47 | tea|tree_ | i like the idea not capturing flags 3 vs 2 ore trying to help the 2 tanks but that with high speed .. |
| 23:45.49 | tea|tree_ | i dunno |
| 23:46.14 | tea|tree_ | no comment .... i think i am to thick for this .. |
| 23:46.33 | JBDiGriz | Take some deep breaths and relax. There's nothing wrong with the suggestion, and nobody is attacking you or the game. |
| 23:46.56 | tea|tree_ | no reply more today |
| 23:46.58 | tea|tree_ | lol |
| 23:47.04 | tea|tree_ | im to angry with my self |
| 23:47.12 | tea|tree_ | and its too late |
| 23:47.16 | JBDiGriz | That's probably a good idea, you need to reconcile with yourself first. |
| 23:47.16 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchunks__ (~frobozz@66-159-173-127.adsl.snet.net) |
| 23:47.35 | patlabor221 | well it is just a game |
| 23:47.54 | fiberchunks__ | indeed |
| 23:47.55 | tea|tree_ | well thats me if i hooked in to something i total flip out |
| 23:48.05 | patlabor221 | soo really your repply shoudl be "good idea, tho I think 50% is too high" |
| 23:48.17 | patlabor221 | that's all |
| 23:48.18 | tea|tree_ | and i need a day to think about it to release what i have done rong and what i can do .. |
| 23:48.25 | JBDiGriz | You need some other outlets in your life if you're flipping out over a game. |
| 23:48.43 | tea|tree_ | ok i try another reply |
| 23:49.38 | JBDiGriz | And try to delete the post quickly, Head is a nice guy who is trying to keep the game interesting. |
| 23:52.52 | tea|tree_ | so i replyed |
| 23:52.56 | tea|tree_ | and sorry for this ... |
| 23:53.11 | tea|tree_ | feel stupid now . |
| 23:54.24 | JBDiGriz | fiberchunks_: Did you choose that quote deliberately for your post? ;-) |
| 23:55.12 | *** join/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 23:55.12 | fiberchunks__ | what quote? |
| 23:55.22 | SGI | hello babies |
| 23:55.35 | SGI | ~seen dtremenak |
| 23:55.37 | | dtremenak <~DTRemenak@host-226-203.dialup.innercite.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 20h 55s ago, saying: 'ugh'. |
| 23:55.50 | JBDiGriz | At the end of your post, I wouldn't want anyone to take it personally. |
| 23:59.01 | BZSpiff | Hey SGI. :-) |
| 23:59.01 | *** join/#bzflag quol_vacation (~ianf@65.39.216.149) |
| 23:59.24 | BZSpiff | Hiya Quol. :-) |
| 23:59.28 | JBDiGriz | Hi quol_vacation, how's the trip? |
| 23:59.30 | BZSpiff | How's NC? |
| 23:59.33 | quol_vacation | hello everyone |
| 23:59.52 | quol_vacation | not bad spiff =- a little secluded here in elizabeth city though |
