| 00:00.21 | Tupone | Patlabor221: nite & g/l |
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| 00:14.44 | Patlabor221 | huzah, cam works :) now just to find a better app to autosnap :) |
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| 01:26.42 | Michaelh | hmm do I have to disable optimizations to include debug info in vc++? |
| 01:26.57 | Michaelh | in the release mode |
| 01:27.20 | Michaelh | also do I need to add debug info for all the projects -- e.g. common, net etc? |
| 01:29.57 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/doc (TODO): Remove perlin noise based wind from todo list |
| 01:30.31 | Michaelh | what we really need of course, are some tank noises |
| 01:40.30 | Michaelh | doh have to select debug info under "link" too |
| 01:41.23 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/doc (TODO): Add a note about Animated.PerlinNoise efficiency |
| 01:43.25 | Michaelh | where's da tank sound......... :) |
| 01:43.42 | Michaelh | and what is perlin? |
| 01:43.54 | Michaelh | curious minds want to know |
| 01:43.56 | scanline | it's not acoustic noise, it's a noise algorithm |
| 01:44.02 | scanline | useful for lots of things... |
| 01:44.05 | Michaelh | like white noise.? |
| 01:44.15 | scanline | it's not like white noise |
| 01:44.25 | Michaelh | but it could be .. couldn't it |
| 01:44.33 | scanline | heard of fractional brownian motion? :) |
| 01:44.37 | Michaelh | is that like how they made music on my C64 ? |
| 01:44.58 | Michaelh | well some support we have here ! |
| 01:45.00 | Michaelh | :) |
| 01:45.42 | bzgirl | bzdoug: you there |
| 01:45.45 | Michaelh | woohoo ... debug info in release mode! |
| 01:48.54 | bzdoug | sorta |
| 01:49.35 | fiberchunks | do bee doo be doooo |
| 01:49.44 | bzdoug | so speak, or be forever silent |
| 01:49.47 | bzdoug | :) |
| 01:50.02 | bzdoug | cuz I am heading to bead |
| 01:50.45 | Michaelh | why would a client crash with an access violation when I try to connect to xmission but not elsewhere? |
| 01:50.52 | bzdoug | in about 1 min |
| 01:51.48 | fiberchunks | I couldn't get on xmission either Michaelh... there were slots open, but it was unaccesible -- dunno why |
| 01:51.57 | captain_proton | Michaelh: that question is answered more easily once you know where it crashes |
| 01:52.57 | scanline | Michaelh: if you're really interested in fBm and perlin noise, there are some good descriptions that can be found on google. The easy definition is that it's a fractal generated from smoothed random noise |
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| 01:53.03 | bzgirl | doug..sry.. |
| 01:53.17 | bzgirl | you use RH? |
| 01:53.27 | scanline | Michaelh: you could listen to perlin noise I suppose, but it's noise in the mathematical sense, not the acoustic sense |
| 01:53.47 | bzdoug_ | at work |
| 01:54.15 | scanline | captain_proton: since the sky will be slowly changing, we don't really want it in a display list do we? |
| 01:54.33 | bzgirl | bzdoug_: to kill x, and goto multi user but no x runlevel: telinit 3? |
| 01:54.53 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (Sky.py): Reorganize the color scheme dict in Sky a bit |
| 01:55.04 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 01:55.21 | captain_proton | scanline: true |
| 01:55.22 | bzdoug_ | never had to |
| 01:55.31 | bzdoug_ | try cmd alt backspace? |
| 01:56.02 | bzgirl | that will spawn gdm again, nm i can edit the inittab |
| 01:56.18 | bzdoug_ | ah, cool |
| 01:56.24 | captain_proton | hrm, new test kernel |
| 01:56.42 | bryjen | just looking at the inittab, you should be able to find the multi-user level w/o X |
| 01:56.44 | Michaelh | is the xmission 17 server really 1.7g1? |
| 01:57.12 | captain_proton | Michaelh: if it reports g1, its g1 |
| 01:57.14 | bzdoug_ | I usally screw my X settings up, and wait till it stops respawning |
| 01:57.17 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 01:57.25 | Michaelh | is it known to have problems, that release? |
| 01:57.48 | Michaelh | it's not even a real release is it.... |
| 01:57.56 | captain_proton | g1 is not a single entity |
| 01:58.14 | Michaelh | I wonder if that server is borked somehow |
| 01:58.26 | Michaelh | Crashes my client in weird ways |
| 01:58.49 | Michaelh | I put the debug info into the release mode and now it crashes when I try to join the game :) |
| 01:59.10 | captain_proton | Michaelh: endless pondering is not a viable debugging scheme =/ |
| 01:59.35 | scanline | hah |
| 02:02.18 | Michaelh | anyway to narrow down an exception besides putting in try blocks? |
| 02:02.24 | Michaelh | since bzflag has none ? |
| 02:02.26 | Michaelh | :) |
| 02:02.45 | Michaelh | Debugger just says -- Exception .. more or less no line #s |
| 02:02.52 | captain_proton | bzflag doesn't use exceptions |
| 02:02.55 | scanline | an access violation is not an exception |
| 02:03.18 | Michaelh | well in *my case* it says First Chance Exception : access violation |
| 02:03.35 | captain_proton | which is _NOT_ a C++ exception |
| 02:03.46 | Michaelh | alRightythen! |
| 02:03.52 | captain_proton | and try/catch will not catch it |
| 02:04.00 | Michaelh | so how would I narrow it down? |
| 02:04.05 | scanline | this is exaclty what a debugger is designed for |
| 02:04.07 | Michaelh | just stepping through stuff? |
| 02:04.08 | scanline | er, exactly |
| 02:04.22 | Michaelh | whilst live network code is happening? |
| 02:04.22 | scanline | run it in a debugger and it should stop at the line that causes the memory error |
| 02:04.33 | Michaelh | hmmmm |
| 02:04.42 | captain_proton | then you look at a backtrace to see the call stack |
| 02:05.31 | scanline | captain_proton: where's the sky code in 1.8? can't seem to find it... |
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| 02:05.47 | captain_proton | scanline: its hidden in an xml file ;) |
| 02:06.05 | scanline | oh |
| 02:06.15 | scanline | no wonder I couldn't find it by rummaging in src :) |
| 02:07.58 | scanline | hmm |
| 02:08.12 | scanline | so it still doesn't really explain what these different colors are for |
| 02:08.44 | captain_proton | the idea is to interpolate between those colors |
| 02:08.51 | scanline | spacially or temporally? |
| 02:08.53 | captain_proton | along with interpolating between sets of vertices |
| 02:08.57 | captain_proton | temporally |
| 02:09.38 | scanline | so is the whole sky the same color? |
| 02:11.35 | scanline | we keep a static sky model, maybe a hemisphere or a cube... then apply a texture to it where the Y axis corresponds to the Z axis of the model, and the X axis is time |
| 02:11.43 | scanline | so it just loops horizontally along that texture once a day |
| 02:11.51 | scanline | it would be like what jetstream did for the flashing buttons on its UI |
| 02:12.25 | scanline | the other benefit is we could still keep the model in a display list, and use texture coordinate generation to change the time of day |
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| 02:12.33 | scanline | then rotate the model to account for sun position |
| 02:12.56 | captain_proton | no, the sky is not the same color |
| 02:13.26 | captain_proton | the vertex animation spins a cube as the colors change |
| 02:13.45 | bryjen | could that account for the north/south shift of thing as the time of year changes? |
| 02:15.01 | bryjen | and how many people stay in game long enough to see that move anyway ? ;) |
| 02:15.07 | scanline | :) |
| 02:15.09 | Michaelh | lol |
| 02:15.31 | Michaelh | even with the stars .. it still kind of stinks |
| 02:15.52 | Michaelh | although the night/day concept is cool |
| 02:15.58 | Michaelh | how about some real clouds? |
| 02:16.09 | scanline | Michaelh: that's one of the things perlin noise is for |
| 02:16.11 | bryjen | hehe, bzflag: now with astronomical INaccuracy ;) |
| 02:16.17 | bryjen | that just sound bad.. |
| 02:17.14 | captain_proton | hmm scanline |
| 02:17.19 | captain_proton | i had found a nifty paper on sky simulation |
| 02:17.26 | captain_proton | but only read the first page or so |
| 02:18.39 | captain_proton | hrm, its gone |
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| 02:19.29 | scanline | hiya lurgyman |
| 02:20.56 | lurgyman | hiya scanline |
| 02:21.12 | lurgyman | how goes pibzee flag? |
| 02:21.34 | scanline | good question |
| 02:23.28 | lurgyman | captain_proton: test2? |
| 02:23.57 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 02:24.39 | lurgyman | yep |
| 02:24.47 | lurgyman | looks like they fixed some audio stuff |
| 02:26.44 | Michaelh | First-chance exception in bzflag.exe: 0xC0000005: Access Violation. |
| 02:26.44 | Michaelh | The thread 0xFFE3619B has exited with code -1 (0xFFFFFFFF). |
| 02:26.44 | Michaelh | The thread 0xFFE5315F has exited with code 3 (0x3). |
| 02:26.44 | Michaelh | The program 'D:\bzstuff\bz_17_clean3\bzflag.exe' has exited with code 3 (0x3). |
| 02:27.10 | Michaelh | It's *not* in debug mode however anymore |
| 02:27.16 | Michaelh | just jumped back to source |
| 02:27.30 | lurgyman | Michaelh: yep, there's definitely something wrong |
| 02:27.40 | lurgyman | otherwise the exception wouldn't have exited with a -1 ;) |
| 02:27.45 | captain_proton | lurgyman: there are still some icky quirks |
| 02:27.53 | captain_proton | i can't get iptables to compile (for some reason) |
| 02:28.00 | lurgyman | huh |
| 02:28.03 | captain_proton | and valgrind "doesn't support" 2.6 |
| 02:28.07 | lurgyman | bah |
| 02:28.19 | lurgyman | do the nvidia drivers still work? |
| 02:28.25 | lurgyman | they don't in 2.5.75 |
| 02:28.40 | lurgyman | though i haven't had the opportunity to update them off portage recently |
| 02:28.47 | lurgyman | which could be the problem |
| 02:29.01 | Michaelh | seems only to happen with xmission :) |
| 02:29.23 | scanline | Michaelh: just run it in a debugger and stop guessing |
| 02:30.26 | Michaelh | I *am* running it in a debugger |
| 02:30.34 | scanline | so where does it crash? |
| 02:30.42 | Michaelh | doesn't show me.... |
| 02:30.54 | scanline | sure you're using it right? |
| 02:31.01 | Michaelh | I hit F5 .. run it .. then it just dumps to the source code again |
| 02:31.06 | Michaelh | not absolutely...... |
| 02:31.21 | captain_proton | they work fine with me |
| 02:31.30 | lurgyman | k |
| 02:31.41 | captain_proton | Michaelh: i suggest you go read how to use microsoft's debugger |
| 02:32.08 | Michaelh | I can step through things with F10 |
| 02:32.17 | captain_proton | Michaelh: READ! |
| 02:32.22 | captain_proton | its much more powerful than that |
| 02:32.27 | Michaelh | but when the exception/whatever happens then it just dumps to the source code |
| 02:32.28 | captain_proton | but not if you don't know how to use it |
| 02:32.33 | Michaelh | suggestions? |
| 02:32.39 | captain_proton | RTFM! |
| 02:32.51 | Michaelh | That's such an unhelpful thing people say |
| 02:32.59 | lurgyman | RTFMOEAL! |
| 02:33.03 | scanline | we help those who help themselves |
| 02:33.04 | scanline | RTFM |
| 02:33.11 | captain_proton | Michaelh: the debugger has a manual |
| 02:33.15 | Michaelh | So what am I doing wrong..................... |
| 02:33.15 | captain_proton | and you obviously haven't read it |
| 02:33.18 | Michaelh | one hint........ |
| 02:33.24 | Michaelh | just a tiny little hint |
| 02:33.27 | captain_proton | i don't know the visual C++ debugger |
| 02:33.38 | captain_proton | but i do know that its just as capable as any other debugger |
| 02:33.41 | lurgyman | that's what DOCUMENTATION is for... |
| 02:33.46 | captain_proton | meaning it can show you -where- it crashed |
| 02:33.56 | Michaelh | so you guys basically don't know either..... at least on vc++ |
| 02:34.05 | captain_proton | right |
| 02:34.10 | lurgyman | that's what DOCUMENTATION is for... |
| 02:34.16 | captain_proton | but its really frustrating when you keep speculating as to the cause without learning how to use your environment |
| 02:34.28 | Michaelh | but you are kind of assuming I don't |
| 02:34.37 | scanline | it's pretty obvious |
| 02:34.44 | Michaelh | how |
| 02:34.56 | scanline | you don't know how to find the line of code a crash occurs on, for example |
| 02:35.06 | scanline | anyone who's ever used their debugger should know how to do that |
| 02:35.11 | Michaelh | perhaps it doesn't work in this current situation |
| 02:35.36 | lurgyman | there's an easy way of finding out |
| 02:35.39 | lurgyman | DOCUMENTATION |
| 02:35.45 | Michaelh | which documentation..... |
| 02:35.46 | scanline | that's a very small possibility, and your other actions have caused us to question your mad debugger skillz... |
| 02:36.22 | lurgyman | Michaelh: vc++ documentation |
| 02:46.44 | Michaelh | I needed to change Stop If not handled to Stop Always |
| 02:46.49 | Michaelh | asdasd |
| 02:47.16 | scanline | Michaelh: that sounds like something for exceptions, not access violations |
| 02:47.17 | Michaelh | stop if not handled does exit the debug mode |
| 02:47.45 | Michaelh | ah well.. |
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| 02:49.36 | Michaelh | it seems to be giving more interative exceptions at any rate |
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| 02:55.11 | captain_proton | hmm, seems to work |
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| 02:55.54 | Michaelh | I am correct - I got some exception in OpenGLState |
| 02:56.10 | Michaelh | it tells me about the exceptions when they happen now |
| 02:56.24 | Michaelh | "Access Violation" that is |
| 02:57.14 | Michaelh | I think microsquash lumps it in as an exception.... |
| 02:58.13 | Michaelh | or some wrapper throws an exception.... |
| 02:59.11 | Michaelh | but if you don't choose the right option the program just quits and you don't see where it quit |
| 03:00.44 | bryjen | that would fall under "check the manual and make sure you've got it setup correctly |
| 03:00.49 | bryjen | :) |
| 03:00.50 | Michaelh | it's the same crap |
| 03:00.51 | Michaelh | voidOpenGLGStateState::setOpenGLState( |
| 03:00.51 | Michaelh | const OpenGLGStateState* oldState) const |
| 03:00.51 | Michaelh | { |
| 03:00.51 | Michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.51 | Michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.53 | Michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.55 | Michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.57 | Michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.59 | Michaelh | if (sorted.texture != oldState->sorted.texture) |
| 03:01.01 | Michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.03 | captain_proton | Michaelh: they call it an exception, but system "exceptions" and C++ exceptions are very different things |
| 03:01.03 | Michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.05 | Michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.07 | Michaelh | happened twice in a row |
| 03:01.23 | Michaelh | I understand it |
| 03:01.42 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (AnaglyphView.py): update the anaglyph view for new interface |
| 03:01.45 | Michaelh | "sorted" has got something goofy about it |
| 03:02.57 | Michaelh | I actually tried to setup it right the first time, but I failed to comprehend the bizarre gui... |
| 03:04.00 | Michaelh | hmm if sorted = {...} does this mean null? :) |
| 03:04.18 | scanline | that usually means it contains a lot of items, and you have to double-click to expand it or something |
| 03:06.33 | Michaelh | if I have an access violation on if (sorted.hasTexture) { |
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| 03:06.38 | Michaelh | what would that imply? |
| 03:06.48 | SGI | hello |
| 03:06.50 | scanline | probably that sorted is NULL or in free()'d memory |
| 03:07.03 | Michaelh | should it be hasTexture() ? |
| 03:07.22 | captain_proton | how could sorted be NULL? |
| 03:07.23 | Michaelh | oops guess not |
| 03:07.25 | captain_proton | thats not a pointer |
| 03:07.25 | SGI | fiber ..have you a twin |
| 03:07.26 | scanline | no, that would be a compile-time error |
| 03:07.51 | Michaelh | note that I open to the idea the compiler did something wrong too :) |
| 03:13.22 | scanline | you should spend some more time understanding the problem before trying to form any conclusions |
| 03:13.56 | Michaelh | thank you joda |
| 03:13.58 | Michaelh | yoda |
| 03:14.07 | Michaelh | I will have to meditate first |
| 03:14.19 | Michaelh | and ponder the meaning of life |
| 03:14.51 | Michaelh | but hey at least I have a line # |
| 03:15.08 | fiberchunks_ | what? |
| 03:15.11 | Michaelh | even if no one else seems to have a problem |
| 03:15.13 | fiberchunks_ | I have a twin? |
| 03:15.29 | fiberchunks_ | oh, you mean this nick :) yeah, I'm on my laptop right now |
| 03:15.35 | SGI | yes IM reading two fiberchuncks |
| 03:15.51 | SGI | probably to beer tonight |
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| 03:30.04 | SGI | gonkulator ..have you installed the xchat for mac |
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| 03:31.38 | gonkulator | SGI: yes, I have |
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| 03:32.05 | gonkulator | well damnit |
| 03:32.08 | gonkulator | ah |
| 03:32.09 | gonkulator | your back |
| 03:32.11 | gonkulator | SGI: indeed I have |
| 03:32.23 | gonkulator | its pretty easy... |
| 03:32.27 | gonkulator | drag and drop :) |
| 03:32.49 | SGI | I installed yesterday night in the laptop |
| 03:33.03 | gonkulator | ok |
| 03:33.30 | SGI | ANd I just played little bit |
| 03:34.02 | SGI | the only prob ...right mouse btn |
| 03:34.52 | SGI | when I want to talk with someone pvt |
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| 03:46.03 | JBDiGriz | ~seen learner |
| 03:46.05 | | learner <~learner@65.120.43.85> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 11h 51m 35s ago, saying: 'Howdy peoples :)'. |
| 03:49.52 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/doc (2 files): some info updates |
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| 04:28.35 | gonkulator | howdy zak |
| 04:28.39 | gonkulator | thanks for all your help :) |
| 04:28.53 | zak | no problem |
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| 04:55.02 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Adding sky-related media |
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| 04:55.26 | Michaelh | well I found something |
| 04:56.04 | Michaelh | it starts with hudrenderer -- goes to drawplayerscore then to gltextfont::draw or something |
| 04:56.10 | Michaelh | and then to the GLstate thingee |
| 04:56.25 | Michaelh | so if I just shut off drawplayerscore -- it doesn't happen :) |
| 04:56.47 | Michaelh | and it happens when I connect or play on xmission..... or it did |
| 04:56.59 | Michaelh | now I just can't see any of the players names scores, etc.. |
| 04:57.37 | Michaelh | I have no idea how the glstate thingee is causing a problem though |
| 04:59.38 | Michaelh | I'll have to download the stock version of g2 off of the website and see if I have the same issues |
| 05:01.01 | MrApathyCream | good |
| 05:02.25 | Michaelh | I found that stack trace thingee :) |
| 05:03.08 | MrApathyCream | try moding the code to just draw 1 plaer's score... Still happen? |
| 05:04.32 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/ (modelviewer.py): use a stereo context when passing -s |
| 05:09.51 | Michaelh | hmm I wonder if my font isn't loading right |
| 05:09.52 | Michaelh | :) |
| 05:12.38 | Michaelh | if you call openGlTexFont() without any parameters you get a Rep which does not call a bunch of junk in the () |
| 05:13.20 | Michaelh | including something which initializes a glstate I believe |
| 05:13.48 | Michaelh | wouldn't it be silly if it was just my data dir isn't totally up to date? |
| 05:13.58 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 05:14.59 | MrApathyCream | david? |
| 05:15.17 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: we're confusing my stalker |
| 05:15.39 | zak | it's fun |
| 05:15.53 | MrApathyCream | diablo? |
| 05:15.57 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 05:21.36 | Michaelh | does he hate you or said anything negative at all? |
| 05:21.59 | zak | he said im not david |
| 05:22.03 | zak | he's right about that...im not |
| 06:05.29 | captain_proton | what huh? |
| 06:06.00 | MrApathyCream | whoaoaoaa |
| 06:06.05 | MrApathyCream | yikesesss |
| 06:06.19 | MrApathyCream | ahhh, what's happening...ah... um...ooof |
| 06:06.34 | lurgyman | hi MrApathyCream! |
| 06:06.42 | MrApathyCream | must...fight...back |
| 06:06.49 | captain_proton | its got you now |
| 06:06.50 | MrApathyCream | can't .... give.... in.... |
| 06:07.03 | MrApathyCream | i.........mustn't.....check...this....in |
| 06:07.12 | MrApathyCream | must....make....patch... |
| 06:08.12 | lurgyman | WWF is getting a bit weird... |
| 06:09.10 | lurgyman | ooh patch oh boy oh boy oh boy |
| 06:09.18 | lurgyman | ugh |
| 06:09.21 | lurgyman | getting late |
| 06:09.27 | lurgyman | bedtime for lurgy |
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| 06:16.42 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (6 files): World weapon objects |
| 06:17.46 | MrApathyCream | the fist made me! the fist made me! |
| 06:17.53 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Wow, an animated sky color thingamajigger |
| 06:20.50 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): World weapon objects |
| 06:21.02 | scanline | world weapon objects? |
| 06:21.12 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src (3 files in 2 dirs): World weapon objects |
| 06:21.29 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src (2 files in 2 dirs): World weapon objects |
| 06:21.35 | MrApathyCream | somebody take this hat |
| 06:21.36 | scanline | egads |
| 06:21.44 | MrApathyCream | i can't handle the po..po..po...power |
| 06:32.14 | MrApathyCream | scanline: the world can fire shots |
| 06:32.17 | MrApathyCream | automatically |
| 06:32.26 | scanline | yikes |
| 06:32.28 | MrApathyCream | (from server) |
| 06:34.36 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/tetrahedron_sunrise.jpeg |
| 06:35.27 | captain_proton | scanline: pyramids need grass poking up along the edges |
| 06:35.56 | MrApathyCream | weekwacker flag |
| 06:36.06 | MrApathyCream | er, weed-wacker |
| 06:36.37 | scanline | captain_proton: true.. that should be easy |
| 06:37.08 | scanline | wouldn't even really need to be a decal, but might as well separate that into a non-box-or-pyramid-specific drawable |
| 06:37.14 | captain_proton | and then to draw a sun |
| 06:38.03 | scanline | indeed |
| 06:38.10 | scanline | will need a neat halo-thingy for that |
| 06:38.18 | scanline | hmm... |
| 06:38.49 | scanline | would be good to have more control over what order these drawables execute in within the background render pass |
| 06:43.26 | scanline | captain_proton: it looks rather silly sticking straight up like it does on the boxen, and it probably would look pretty silly if it was slanted at the same angle as the pyramid too |
| 06:49.18 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (Pyramid.py): Add some code for using Box.GrassEdge with Pyramids, but leave it commented out because it looks silly |
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| 06:53.03 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (3 files): more controllable timings with world weapons |
| 06:53.19 | captain_proton | soon MrApathyCream will be bonded to the hat |
| 06:58.39 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (WorldWeapons.cxx): get the world weapon firing angles right |
| 06:59.59 | *** part/#bzflag zak (~shplat@home-dhcp4-208.colorado.edu) |
| 07:09.16 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/misc (fountains.bzw): Sample World-Weapons world |
| 07:09.43 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: give it a try? |
| 07:45.36 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Several random cleanups related to the Sky, ditching the sky.wrl model for gluSphere :) |
| 07:50.13 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (Sky.py): Whitespace and comment tweak |
| 07:59.07 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (Environment.py): Fix typo |
| 08:05.39 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (ThreeDRender.py): Just turn off depth writes in the background render pass instead of clearing the Z-buffer, for now at least |
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| 08:28.03 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Better sky with half the texture |
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| 08:49.39 | [TeA|TrEE] | whats black for a colour #fff..?!?! |
| 08:50.50 | [TeA|TrEE] | ore orange |
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| 10:52.03 | [TeA|TrEE] | s0m3w0n3 7h3r3 |
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| 11:47.18 | sussi | hi |
| 12:14.37 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello |
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| 14:32.45 | rooter | hello |
| 14:32.52 | david_v | hey |
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| 15:39.13 | dougAtWork | heya patlabor221 |
| 15:40.22 | siggraph | pat needs his mornin' coffee? |
| 15:41.31 | dougAtWork | humph |
| 15:41.38 | dougAtWork | I got here at 6:00 am :) |
| 15:42.22 | siggraph | eek --6am?! what's _wrong_ with you man! .. :) |
| 15:43.21 | dougAtWork | ah |
| 15:43.28 | dougAtWork | that doesnt help it either |
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| 15:44.23 | dougAtWork | vas ist das verk? |
| 15:45.20 | dougAtWork | hah, this laptop has a built in DVD+RW |
| 15:46.06 | Quol_AtWork | does anyone know of a simple way to log into a bzflag server, execute a command and return the result of that command to a script (the output)? |
| 15:46.33 | dougAtWork | heh |
| 15:46.45 | dougAtWork | no simple way, but theres bzadmin |
| 15:46.50 | dougAtWork | you could hack it up to do it |
| 15:46.51 | dougAtWork | sorta |
| 15:46.53 | Quol_AtWork | I looked at bzadmin |
| 15:47.06 | Quol_AtWork | that's what I thought.... |
| 15:47.11 | dougAtWork | thats about it |
| 15:47.13 | dougAtWork | for now |
| 15:47.16 | siggraph | bzadmin would be a good way, imo, too -- just make it log to stdout/err or something |
| 15:48.00 | Quol_AtWork | I think it would have to be modified as it doesn't return anything right nw |
| 15:48.02 | Quol_AtWork | now |
| 15:48.14 | Quol_AtWork | it just executes the command and exits |
| 15:48.27 | Quol_AtWork | *I think* :) |
| 15:48.38 | siggraph | another possibility is to use pychat |
| 15:48.46 | Quol_AtWork | pychat? |
| 15:49.01 | dougAtWork | hahaha |
| 15:49.09 | dougAtWork | er |
| 15:49.17 | dougAtWork | yea, that might work :) |
| 15:49.23 | siggraph | yea, there's a script in the python stuff that will run commands as observer |
| 15:49.37 | siggraph | I use it to log it to a server and inform users that the server is going to shut down |
| 15:50.36 | Quol_AtWork | is it bundled with the source? or is it on sourceforge? |
| 15:50.42 | siggraph | it's in sf |
| 15:50.45 | siggraph | only |
| 15:50.52 | siggraph | different branch |
| 15:51.10 | siggraph | er s/branch/cvs module/ |
| 15:52.31 | Quol_AtWork | cool - thanks, I will check it out |
| 15:52.54 | siggraph | I'd still do bzadmin myself.. :) |
| 15:52.56 | dougAtWork | and get back to work!!! |
| 15:53.04 | Quol_AtWork | lol |
| 15:53.12 | Quol_AtWork | ona conference call with clients right now.... |
| 15:53.22 | Quol_AtWork | it is BOOOORRRRIIINNNGG |
| 15:53.35 | dougAtWork | ah |
| 15:53.38 | siggraph | lol |
| 15:54.03 | dougAtWork | 2.66 ghz and 1 gig of ram? in a laptop? sheesh |
| 15:54.23 | dougAtWork | and it stays cooler than MY laptop :) |
| 15:57.21 | Quol_AtWork | speaking about Monty Python - anyone know where to get some videom clips?? |
| 15:57.38 | Quol_AtWork | I saw someone use some clips in a presentation once - and I want to do the same |
| 15:57.50 | Quol_AtWork | the clip with the interviews - that's the one I am looking for... |
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| 16:00.40 | dougAtWork | lol |
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| 16:52.07 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org || put javadoc-style /** comments */ in headers! || cvs snapshots: http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ || Network Meeting Notes @ http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/NetMeeting |
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| 17:06.02 | Quol_AtWork | :) |
| 17:06.33 | JBDiGriz | Drink less coffee, your hand won't shake as much! ;-) |
| 17:06.54 | dougAtWork | I dont drink coffee |
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| 17:39.06 | MrFish_ | hello |
| 17:39.19 | Quol_AtWork | hello MrFish_ |
| 17:39.35 | [TeA|TrEE] | Hello MrFish_ |
| 17:39.40 | MrFish_ | hows tricks? |
| 17:39.41 | [TeA|TrEE] | Hello Quol_AtWork |
| 17:40.22 | MrFish_ | I see |
| 17:40.36 | MrFish_ | is everyone idling on here while they play? |
| 17:40.37 | Quol_AtWork | Hello [TeA|TrEE] |
| 17:41.55 | MrFish_ | switching clients |
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| 19:23.40 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 19:24.04 | david_v | -- |
| 19:26.19 | dougAtWork | \/ |
| 19:26.51 | david_v | - |
| 19:26.54 | david_v | /\ |
| 19:30.49 | dougAtWork | O |
| 19:31.47 | david_v | pentium pro, how impressive :) |
| 19:32.17 | dougAtWork | yup |
| 19:32.18 | dougAtWork | 180 mhz |
| 19:32.38 | david_v | an extra 0 wouldn't hurt, though :) |
| 19:33.06 | david_v | overclock it? just build a house with a helium tank |
| 19:33.11 | dougAtWork | hah, NT 4 |
| 19:33.16 | david_v | lol |
| 19:33.22 | dougAtWork | heh |
| 19:34.21 | david_v | reminds me i have to do some annoying security updates for Windows whenever i boot that poor stuff |
| 19:34.25 | dougAtWork | hehe |
| 19:35.23 | david_v | should do... never got any closer to scsi than scsi emulation, though |
| 19:35.29 | dougAtWork | I also have a pentium 2 XEON system :) |
| 19:35.38 | prot-work | ooh |
| 19:35.40 | prot-work | pentium 2 |
| 19:35.44 | dougAtWork | yep |
| 19:35.49 | prot-work | thats some heavy equipment there :P |
| 19:35.52 | dougAtWork | a real screamer |
| 19:35.56 | david_v | at least :) |
| 19:36.03 | dougAtWork | yea, heavy |
| 19:36.07 | dougAtWork | and tall |
| 19:36.22 | david_v | will probably headbang the 10 Teraflop Chinese supercomp |
| 19:36.30 | dougAtWork | doh, ipcop needs an IDE drive :( |
| 19:36.42 | david_v | huh? |
| 19:37.02 | dougAtWork | ipcop is a small linux distro that acts as a firewall/router/vpn |
| 19:37.35 | david_v | yea just looked up the site |
| 19:37.44 | dougAtWork | hey cool, this pentium pro system supports dual processors |
| 19:38.08 | david_v | i told you. keep us posted when you reach 50 Teraflop :) |
| 19:38.45 | dougAtWork | hmm, I do have a few faster ones about |
| 19:39.04 | dougAtWork | like a 600 mhz proliant... with 5 drives in it :) |
| 19:39.10 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:39.11 | dougAtWork | awful loud though |
| 19:39.29 | david_v | can understand that |
| 19:39.48 | david_v | i am (un)lucky only to have one drive in my machine |
| 19:39.51 | david_v | and one in the other |
| 19:40.00 | david_v | quiet SeaGate drives |
| 19:40.28 | dougAtWork | hehe |
| 19:40.34 | dougAtWork | its all like 9 giger |
| 19:40.50 | dougAtWork | but one of the drives whines like its about to fling apart |
| 19:40.58 | dougAtWork | 10000 rpm too :P |
| 19:41.07 | david_v | hehehe |
| 19:41.09 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 19:41.35 | david_v | btw did you read the slashdot article about "perpendicular" storage on HDDs? |
| 19:41.53 | dougAtWork | hmm |
| 19:41.54 | dougAtWork | sorta |
| 19:41.58 | dougAtWork | I saw it |
| 19:42.00 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:42.10 | david_v | nevertheless they got to do something soon |
| 19:42.12 | dougAtWork | didnt read it, I only posted a comment :P |
| 19:42.16 | david_v | lol |
| 19:42.27 | david_v | is that the typical slashdot style? *big grin* |
| 19:42.37 | david_v | could understand some of the flames then ;) |
| 19:43.11 | dougAtWork | :D |
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| 19:43.23 | dougAtWork | RTFA1 |
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| 19:44.34 | david_v | heh, Slashdot has just invented the phrase "SCO soap opera" :) |
| 19:45.03 | david_v | to me anyway, in case it's been around earlier. funny though hehe |
| 19:45.21 | dougAtWork | hehe |
| 19:45.28 | dougAtWork | ooh, 630 meg drive |
| 19:45.59 | david_v | i'd call it museum objects :) |
| 19:46.09 | dougAtWork | hehe |
| 19:46.19 | dougAtWork | cuz they cant throw it away |
| 19:46.33 | dougAtWork | so I can learn linux by installing it on these old things :P |
| 19:47.07 | david_v | heh |
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| 20:52.50 | tea|tree | ., |
| 20:53.07 | david_v | don't remind me. i have two commas on my keyboard :) |
| 20:53.20 | david_v | they put the wrong label on one key hehe |
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| 20:57.31 | siggraph | hehe |
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| 22:35.48 | [TeA|TrEE] | angie in da club |
| 22:38.34 | bzgirl | hello Nicky |
| 22:39.04 | [TeA|TrEE] | ^^ |
| 22:39.47 | david_v | ah what a match |
| 22:39.52 | [TeA|TrEE] | lol |
| 22:39.55 | [TeA|TrEE] | ^^ |
| 22:40.11 | david_v | i wasn't really in shape. now i can play acceptably |
| 22:40.21 | [TeA|TrEE] | lol |
| 22:40.26 | [TeA|TrEE] | talking about shape .. |
| 22:40.34 | david_v | yes my whole body is malformed. what more? :) |
| 22:40.36 | [TeA|TrEE] | ^o^ |
| 22:40.47 | [TeA|TrEE] | -.- |
| 22:40.53 | david_v | you and your smilies hehe |
| 22:40.58 | [TeA|TrEE] | h3h3 |
| 22:41.07 | [TeA|TrEE] | the best one |
| 22:41.10 | [TeA|TrEE] | is this: |
| 22:41.13 | david_v | and h@x0r talk :) |
| 22:41.18 | david_v | the long one? hehe |
| 22:41.20 | [TeA|TrEE] | ,^_^, |
| 22:41.24 | david_v | hmm |
| 22:41.45 | david_v | i discovered that the word "ok" is actually a smilie |
| 22:41.51 | david_v | head, arms, legs |
| 22:41.54 | david_v | :) |
| 22:41.56 | [TeA|TrEE] | 1m 74lk1n6 lee7 |
| 22:41.59 | [TeA|TrEE] | l337 |
| 22:42.03 | david_v | yeah yeah :) |
| 22:42.12 | [TeA|TrEE] | LOL |
| 22:42.14 | [TeA|TrEE] | ok! |
| 22:42.15 | [TeA|TrEE] | LOL |
| 22:42.19 | david_v | nice isn't it :) |
| 22:42.26 | [TeA|TrEE] | ok- man ok women |
| 22:42.28 | [TeA|TrEE] | :D |
| 22:42.42 | david_v | hmmm :) no comment |
| 22:42.45 | [TeA|TrEE] | ok--- |
| 22:42.47 | [TeA|TrEE] | psssch! |
| 22:43.07 | david_v | well i'm off i guess. bye |
| 22:43.11 | [TeA|TrEE] | cu |
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| 23:22.33 | captain_proton | yayayay |
| 23:26.24 | KTL_ | mmm so she is called angelina:-) |
| 23:32.45 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src (3 files in 2 dirs): compilation warning fix |
| 23:52.20 | JBDiGriz | Who is called Angelina? |
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| 23:54.37 | bzdoug_ | sounds familier |
| 23:57.12 | KTL_ | bzgirl |
| 23:57.37 | KTL_ | i'm looking at that pyBzflag package |
| 23:58.20 | KTL_ | but my first contact with python with python ... problems with pyOpenGL |
| 23:58.28 | JBDiGriz | Ah! I'm too used to calling her bzg! ;-) |
| 23:58.32 | KTL_ | ImportError: No module named EXT.texture_filter_anisotropic |
| 23:58.45 | JBDiGriz | Which machine are you running on? |
| 23:58.53 | KTL_ | debian A686 |
| 23:59.03 | KTL_ | unstable |
| 23:59.03 | captain_proton | KTL_: what version of pyopengl? |
| 23:59.21 | KTL_ | it's a debian package, i don't know, have to search for it |
| 23:59.36 | captain_proton | well search |
| 23:59.44 | KTL_ | :-) |
| 23:59.54 | captain_proton | newer versions should have wrappers for most of the extensions |
