| 00:00.37 | bzgirl | that works :0 |
| 00:00.42 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 00:00.55 | fiberchunks | FIST - gzip or change your extension! ;) |
| 00:00.57 | Patlabor221 | cap didn't compress it then? |
| 00:01.00 | fiberchunks | no |
| 00:01.06 | fiberchunks | just tarred it |
| 00:01.17 | bzgirl | and named it incorrectly? |
| 00:01.19 | Patlabor221 | the fist has faltered |
| 00:01.28 | Patlabor221 | what shoudl it be named? |
| 00:01.33 | Patlabor221 | I think I can fix it on SF |
| 00:01.38 | bzgirl | without the z |
| 00:01.47 | JBDiGriz | The iron fist needs some geritol today. |
| 00:01.52 | fiberchunks | well tar czvf foo.tgz is easy to mess up with tar cvf foo.tgz |
| 00:02.04 | fiberchunks | no no, bzflag<whatever>.tar |
| 00:02.11 | Patlabor221 | so just bzflag-1.7g2.tar ? |
| 00:02.15 | fiberchunks | y |
| 00:02.20 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 00:02.27 | JBDiGriz | bzgirl: Try taking the z out of your command to see if it works |
| 00:02.42 | fiberchunks | that's prob also why the d/l manager goofered up the d/l percentages -- thought it was reading a tgz, but was reading a tar |
| 00:02.42 | bzgirl | jb it works yes |
| 00:05.43 | Patlabor221 | can you test the tar and make sure I did it right? |
| 00:05.44 | fiberchunks | compiled deliciously here -- gonna light it off tonight sometime |
| 00:05.47 | fiberchunks | sure |
| 00:06.08 | Patlabor221 | before I delete the other one. |
| 00:06.16 | fiberchunks | did you tgz it? |
| 00:06.24 | Patlabor221 | no, I just renamed it tar |
| 00:06.30 | fiberchunks | I see no tar on sf.net |
| 00:06.41 | fiberchunks | just tgz |
| 00:07.08 | Patlabor221 | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-1.7g2.tar?download |
| 00:07.13 | fiberchunks | bah |
| 00:07.22 | Patlabor221 | I had to hit the button |
| 00:09.34 | fiberchunks | no, no joy |
| 00:10.04 | Patlabor221 | well make me one that is good, and put it in bfoj and I"ll post it |
| 00:10.17 | fiberchunks | jeezus, the one named .tar is a tar.gz |
| 00:10.19 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 00:10.39 | Patlabor221 | or this will work cus I gotta go home when this disk is done |
| 00:11.11 | Patlabor221 | ~msg for captain_proton The .tgz file is not gzed, it's borked. make it so... all hail the fist. |
| 00:11.12 | | that's too long, Patlabor221 |
| 00:11.14 | fiberchunks | I'll make a new tar |
| 00:11.19 | Patlabor221 | damn you ibot |
| 00:11.19 | fiberchunks | .gz |
| 00:11.23 | Patlabor221 | ~msg for captain_proton The .tgz file is not gzed, it's borked |
| 00:11.23 | | Patlabor221: that's too long |
| 00:11.56 | Patlabor221 | ibot, haven't I allways been nice to you? |
| 00:11.56 | | Patlabor221: are you using Windows? |
| 00:12.04 | Patlabor221 | ibot, yes |
| 00:12.05 | | You dont say! |
| 00:12.08 | fiberchunks | lol! |
| 00:12.14 | Patlabor221 | ibot, yeah what of it? |
| 00:12.14 | | Patlabor221: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:12.30 | Patlabor221 | ibot, I did, and it tells me that you should work. |
| 00:12.31 | | Patlabor221: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 00:12.37 | fiberchunks | whoo, that's too funny -- you're getting jammed by a bot ;) |
| 00:12.48 | Patlabor221 | ibot, do we need to have the reformat talk again? |
| 00:12.49 | | Patlabor221: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:12.57 | Patlabor221 | ibot, who is your daddy? |
| 00:12.58 | | YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 00:13.03 | Patlabor221 | damn right |
| 00:13.04 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 00:13.14 | learnerAtWork | poor ibot, leave it's confused little neurons alone.. |
| 00:13.26 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 00:13.32 | Patlabor221 | well we've had this talk before, and she should be fine. |
| 00:13.40 | learnerAtWork | ~d |
| 00:14.06 | fiberchunks | uploading now, Patlabor221 |
| 00:14.26 | fiberchunks | it'll be done in about 6 months, what with my stellar upload capabilities ;) |
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| 00:17.06 | akcehguod | lol |
| 00:17.24 | akcehguod | hey, whats that thing about patlabor221? |
| 00:17.24 | fiberchunks | >:) |
| 00:17.30 | Noodleman | courtesy of the FIST! |
| 00:18.01 | Patlabor221 | we are sorry but the fist is unavalalbe at this time, please leave your name, IP, and a breif message and we will get back to you. |
| 00:18.05 | akcehguod | cappy is the FIST, patlabor221 only has the KFJ mojo |
| 00:18.16 | Patlabor221 | I am the pinky of the fist |
| 00:18.25 | fiberchunks | pinky and the brain |
| 00:18.38 | Patlabor221 | narf |
| 00:18.40 | Noodleman | stinky and the spleen |
| 00:20.38 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> I have a link on my site to the tar.gz download |
| 00:20.52 | Patlabor221 | ok let me get home and I will post it |
| 00:21.06 | Patlabor221 | it's such a long drive |
| 00:21.57 | akcehguod | you mean walk |
| 00:22.03 | Patlabor221 | I could walk |
| 00:22.07 | Patlabor221 | but I drive today |
| 00:22.10 | akcehguod | ah |
| 00:22.33 | Patlabor221 | had to drive to the mall today at lunch |
| 00:22.43 | fiberchunks | what's that 800 meters? |
| 00:22.44 | fiberchunks | ;) |
| 00:23.00 | Patlabor221 | the mall, no that's in another town |
| 00:23.03 | Patlabor221 | bout 5 miles |
| 00:23.05 | akcehguod | haha |
| 00:23.14 | Patlabor221 | we gots no real mall |
| 00:23.41 | Patlabor221 | remember what my towns name is backwards? |
| 00:23.54 | learnerAtWork | ok, time to go home.. |
| 00:23.56 | fiberchunks | no idea -- can't even remember the town you live in |
| 00:24.13 | Patlabor221 | it's in the profile, you'll figure it out :) |
| 00:24.17 | Patlabor221 | brb |
| 00:24.57 | fiberchunks | lol! |
| 00:25.19 | akcehguod | what is it? |
| 00:25.53 | fiberchunks | patlabor's town name backwards |
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| 00:28.42 | akcehguod | heheh |
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| 00:38.14 | TimRiker | so. bumping the version in cvs huh? ;-) |
| 00:38.49 | fiberchunks | seems that way, yes |
| 00:39.19 | fiberchunks | oh, I think Patlabor221 is fixing this as we speak, but the source tgz on sf.net for 7g2 is not a .tgz, it's a tarball |
| 00:39.20 | Patlabor221 | cap hasn't moved it to head yeah |
| 00:39.29 | Patlabor221 | yeah I'm downloading it |
| 00:39.35 | Patlabor221 | and thinking of diner |
| 00:40.12 | Patlabor221 | tim do you like tar.gz or tgz as an extension? |
| 00:40.21 | Patlabor221 | cap didn't gzip the tar that's up there now |
| 00:41.19 | TimRiker | did BZVERSION get bumped before releases were made? |
| 00:41.25 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 00:41.34 | Patlabor221 | well they went to g2 |
| 00:41.43 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: prefer .tgz as that's what we've done before, but I don't care much. |
| 00:41.58 | Patlabor221 | I checked for g2ness before I build windows |
| 00:42.51 | TimRiker | looks ok, I did "cvs up -r v1_7g2" and got VERSIONNUM=10707002 |
| 00:43.52 | Patlabor221 | it's uploads.sf.net right? |
| 00:45.27 | TimRiker | did anyone try a debian build? |
| 00:45.38 | TimRiker | it's probably still broken. |
| 00:45.57 | fiberchunks | not sure if bzgirl did or not -- think she's the resident deb user ? |
| 00:46.15 | bzgirl | just built it |
| 00:46.27 | bzgirl | i havent made the .deb though |
| 00:46.46 | bzgirl | but it compiled ok with autogen.sh etc |
| 00:47.06 | fiberchunks | heee -- speak of the devil -- were your ears itching ? ;) |
| 00:48.02 | bzgirl | fiberchunks: xchat beeps at me when my name is spoken |
| 00:48.12 | fiberchunks | fancy |
| 00:49.26 | akcehguod | bzgirl: beep |
| 00:49.33 | Patlabor221 | I get mine in colors |
| 00:49.41 | fiberchunks | same here |
| 00:49.47 | bzgirl | yes its yellow |
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| 00:52.41 | Patlabor221 | ok there the tarball is fixed |
| 00:56.37 | captain_proton | hm |
| 00:56.40 | captain_proton | quick reply is sexy |
| 00:56.49 | Patlabor221 | it is, isn't it? |
| 00:57.10 | fiberchunks | hee :) |
| 00:59.28 | Patlabor221 | cap you didn't gzip the tarball |
| 00:59.53 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 01:00.00 | captain_proton | ooo google's logo is neat |
| 01:00.12 | Noodleman | yes |
| 01:00.25 | fiberchunks | escheresque |
| 01:00.34 | Noodleman | m c escher is kewl |
| 01:00.57 | captain_proton | [jupiter@bhaskara ~/projects]$ file /tmp/bzflag-1.7g2.tar.gz |
| 01:01.01 | captain_proton | /tmp/bzflag-1.7g2.tar.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix |
| 01:02.39 | fiberchunks | well, if that's the one you put on sf - it wasn't -- twas a .tar |
| 01:02.56 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: netscape and other browsers decompress without renaming. |
| 01:03.17 | Patlabor221 | I just go with what the fiber says |
| 01:03.24 | Patlabor221 | bzgirl could not get it to work |
| 01:03.56 | fiberchunks | nor could I, until I tar xvf'd it |
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| 01:06.04 | TimRiker | now there's a .tar and a .tar.gz up on SF where the .tar is smaller than the .tar.gz |
| 01:06.25 | fiberchunks | it's a mess |
| 01:06.44 | fiberchunks | the .tar is actually a tgz, and the tgz is actually a .tar -- dunno how |
| 01:07.05 | TimRiker | and what's with 1.9.0 ? that's not the dev version and it's not a release version and.... |
| 01:07.47 | Patlabor221 | I should have removed the tgz |
| 01:08.19 | TimRiker | and then some places say 1.9a0 and some say 1.9.0 .... |
| 01:08.39 | Patlabor221 | that would be the capinator |
| 01:21.34 | CIA | commit by timriker: less wrong version |
| 01:24.48 | Patlabor221 | I told him to wait till it was made CVS head |
| 01:26.54 | Patlabor221 | what do you want to call the head? 1.8.9 or something? |
| 01:27.07 | Patlabor221 | or 1.9.x and release it as 2.0? |
| 01:27.27 | TimRiker | 1.7g3 until I change the net code to pass x.x.x as strings |
| 01:27.40 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 01:28.16 | captain_proton | bah, it was Patlabor221 who kept poking me to bump the version ;-) |
| 01:28.27 | Patlabor221 | No I wanted you to bump to head |
| 01:28.40 | Patlabor221 | the internal verison is arbitrary, |
| 01:28.50 | Patlabor221 | I jus am to lazy to keep using -r :) |
| 01:28.55 | captain_proton | and whats this about a .tar? |
| 01:29.20 | Patlabor221 | fiber and BZgirl could not get the tarball to untarball |
| 01:29.45 | captain_proton | bizzare, its worked for me everywheres |
| 01:30.33 | Patlabor221 | yes but you are a ninja |
| 01:35.28 | TimRiker | misc/touchdsp needs updating. that's the script I use to change the version info. |
| 01:35.52 | TimRiker | probably should be touchversion, but it was just for DSPs at one point. |
| 01:38.09 | Patlabor221 | dsps don't read the version from internal anymore, they just pull from a config.h that should make it easyer |
| 01:38.19 | TimRiker | do the vcproj files need VERSION= now? |
| 01:38.28 | Patlabor221 | no, nothing should |
| 01:38.37 | Patlabor221 | tho I need to test on .net |
| 01:39.48 | TimRiker | the win32/*.vcproj have VERSION=10900000 and the version.h has VERSION="1.9a0" |
| 01:40.09 | TimRiker | remove the ones in the .vcproj if you can, k? |
| 01:40.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah I have not updated them |
| 01:40.42 | Patlabor221 | I will redo them |
| 01:42.51 | Patlabor221 | well actualy the dsp update may work now, since I changed the dsp's around, so we may not need the vcprojs anymore |
| 01:43.38 | Patlabor221 | and .net is slow anyway :) |
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| 01:57.31 | Noodleman | does anyone here use redhat 7.3? |
| 01:59.12 | Patlabor221 | I used to, but now I'm up to rh8 on asgard, just took rh9 off of the home machine |
| 02:03.37 | CIA | commit by timriker: +x |
| 02:05.23 | TimRiker | ugh. didn't work anyway... |
| 02:06.19 | CIA | commit by timriker: move to touchversion |
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| 02:08.21 | captain_proton | TimRiker: did you want the version dropped back down to g3? |
| 02:13.05 | Noodleman | bah, my roto-router's been r00ted |
| 02:13.32 | TimRiker | yes. I'm working on it by updating the script so don't do it yet... |
| 02:13.40 | captain_proton | ah |
| 02:13.42 | captain_proton | script is a good idea |
| 02:13.52 | captain_proton | since we've got the version number duplicated every-freakin-where |
| 02:14.24 | JBDiGriz | Including the Mac Project Builder file |
| 02:14.38 | captain_proton | about version, you want to stay at g2 -until- you rewrite to use x.x.x? seems like thats another thing holding us back |
| 02:15.55 | Noodleman | does anyone have a statically linked copy of netstat? |
| 02:16.02 | learner | JB, are we released? |
| 02:18.02 | JBDiGriz | learner: I have a file, and modified the readme, but I wanted to talk to you about the jpg |
| 02:18.13 | learner | ah, ok |
| 02:18.55 | learner | I'm going to go try a quick screenshot again just to be sure I need to load up linux (unless you have a diff idea) |
| 02:19.38 | JBDiGriz | Unfortunately, no |
| 02:21.16 | JBDiGriz | learner: I just tried it on my desktop, yeesh! |
| 02:23.00 | learner | yea, no luck -- ok, I'll bring up linux |
| 02:23.06 | learner | gimme a few minutes |
| 02:24.01 | captain_proton | TimRiker: speaking of which, why change the protocol to use strings at all? seems like the current version numbering system works fine for x.x.x |
| 02:24.11 | learner | jb, if we can't get something in a couple minutes, I'd be kinda cool to just use the screen shot from the decks the other night (even though the screenshot was pretty simple..) |
| 02:24.39 | captain_proton | TimRiker: doesn't scale past 99 for any of major/minor/tiny, but it works |
| 02:24.46 | captain_proton | # version number: aabbccddd, aa=major, bb=minor, cc=revision, ddd=build. |
| 02:24.47 | captain_proton | # increase build number for every potentially released build. |
| 02:24.47 | captain_proton | # must change this in AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE and MSDev project too. |
| 02:24.47 | captain_proton | VERSIONNUM=10900000 |
| 02:25.07 | captain_proton | just does this funny character thing with the revision number |
| 02:25.13 | JBDiGriz | learner: I'm not sure the discussion there was something I wanted to publish :) |
| 02:25.29 | learner | jb, hehe, :) |
| 02:28.56 | TimRiker | captain_proton: current would be x.x.x.x |
| 02:31.47 | captain_proton | i guess its true that our development process doesn't really work with build numbering |
| 02:32.02 | learner | no kidding, cap |
| 02:37.06 | TimRiker | BZFlag.nsi references BZFlag1_9a0 ugh... |
| 02:38.15 | TimRiker | can that just be BZFlag ? |
| 02:38.57 | captain_proton | i don't -think- bzflag actually uses the registry |
| 02:39.04 | Patlabor221 | no it dosn't |
| 02:39.12 | Patlabor221 | it can be just bnzflag |
| 02:39.21 | Patlabor221 | I can change it |
| 02:39.31 | captain_proton | if it did use the registry i'd have to hurt someone |
| 02:39.33 | Patlabor221 | tho it means all versions install over the old |
| 02:39.43 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221 << likes the attach mod ;) |
| 02:39.44 | Patlabor221 | cap the installer uses the registry for the uninstall |
| 02:39.51 | Patlabor221 | that's it' |
| 02:39.54 | Patlabor221 | it has to |
| 02:40.01 | captain_proton | but thats nsis using the registry, not bzflag |
| 02:40.05 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 02:40.38 | Patlabor221 | now you've got betwenn now and when I find my right shoe to tell me to change the intaller, or you have to wait till after the food |
| 02:41.50 | Patlabor221 | I could try to make the isntaller read from config, but that coudl be "interesting" |
| 02:43.16 | Patlabor221 | bbiab (elf needs food badly ) |
| 02:50.26 | TimRiker | elf is about to die |
| 02:51.09 | captain_proton | TimRiker: are you referring to Patlabor221 or the execuable format? |
| 02:52.00 | TimRiker | why doesn't MacBZFlag-prefix.h define VERSION like everybody else? |
| 02:52.16 | TimRiker | captain_proton: just gauntlet |
| 02:52.23 | captain_proton | gauntlet? |
| 02:52.32 | TimRiker | "elf is about to die" |
| 02:52.46 | TimRiker | "elf needs food badly" |
| 02:52.56 | TimRiker | both from the game gauntlet |
| 02:53.30 | captain_proton | ah |
| 02:56.51 | Patlabor221 | "don't shoot food" |
| 02:56.54 | captain_proton | regarding HEAD, you were planning to make a branch for 1.8, cvs delete everything and re-import? |
| 02:56.57 | Patlabor221 | "save keys to open doors" |
| 02:57.24 | Patlabor221 | wo what do you want me to do with the installer? |
| 02:59.27 | CIA | commit by timriker: take that, you version number you |
| 03:01.02 | Patlabor221 | for 1.9 I'll update the script to nsis 2.0 so we can get all the spiffy new features |
| 03:01.21 | Patlabor221 | then get bzflag XP logo certified :) |
| 03:01.35 | TimRiker | captain_proton: something like that. it would be nice to leave any files that have not changed. |
| 03:04.05 | captain_proton | 1.8 has a lot of files that 1.7 does not and vice-versa |
| 03:06.37 | captain_proton | hm, speaking of 1.8 |
| 03:06.52 | TimRiker | yanks? |
| 03:06.56 | captain_proton | yanks! |
| 03:07.01 | captain_proton | as in pulls from 1.8 |
| 03:07.02 | Patlabor221 | how rude |
| 03:07.04 | captain_proton | and crams into 1.7! |
| 03:07.12 | TimRiker | do NOT start 1.7g2/1.9 hacking yet. |
| 03:07.20 | captain_proton | aw :( |
| 03:07.36 | Patlabor221 | do it in asgard cvs cap |
| 03:09.09 | TimRiker | fine by me as long as it does not go in. I want to fix HEAD first |
| 03:09.42 | TimRiker | "green warrior needs food badly" |
| 03:15.27 | TimRiker | why are there 2 different MacBZFlag-prefix.h files? |
| 03:15.45 | captain_proton | because of the automake/project builder juggling |
| 03:15.48 | TimRiker | why did they have VERSION as the numeric and not BZVERSION ? |
| 03:16.03 | captain_proton | i -think- the one in MacOSX is current, but you'd have to check with JBDiGriz or learner |
| 03:16.10 | TimRiker | why don't they have VERSION as "1.7g3" etc? |
| 03:16.45 | TimRiker | why aren't they both called config.h ? |
| 03:17.39 | CIA | commit by timriker: mac prefix.h ??? |
| 03:17.45 | CIA | commit by timriker: 1.7g3 |
| 03:17.51 | CIA | commit by timriker: a couple that the script does not handle yet |
| 03:18.26 | TimRiker | ~spell valkyrie |
| 03:18.31 | | possible spellings for valkyrie: Valkyrie Valkyries Valkyrie's Valarie Valerie |
| 03:18.52 | TimRiker | ~google for valkyrie |
| 03:19.10 | TimRiker | ~google for valkyrie gauntlet |
| 03:21.53 | Patlabor221 | naw I want a real one |
| 03:22.17 | JBDiGriz | Ouch, someone's poking me again! |
| 03:23.06 | JBDiGriz | The files duplicated in the MacOSX directory are being used, and the ones in the src/platform directory are duplicates. |
| 03:23.35 | JBDiGriz | They were there so we didn't break the build, and when I made the last automake change, they should have become redundant. |
| 03:24.05 | JBDiGriz | However at that point, someone was itching to get a release out, so I didn't want to make more changes than absolutely necessary! :) |
| 03:24.53 | learner | we can delete those files soon enough.. |
| 03:25.14 | learner | actually.. both MacBZFlag-prefix.h files will be removed, too. |
| 03:25.28 | learner | jb, no luck on the capture |
| 03:25.45 | learner | the linux client is too slow without acceleration |
| 03:25.48 | JBDiGriz | Now the trick is to pull version from the files into the project! |
| 03:26.09 | learner | jb, version is pulled automagically from the config.h target |
| 03:26.15 | JBDiGriz | I'll just create a release without the fancy background, and we'll work on that when we have more time. |
| 03:26.45 | learner | sounds fine, jb |
| 03:27.33 | JBDiGriz | beg to differ on the version, check the bzflag target in the project. |
| 03:28.17 | TimRiker | and there is a base version in the project as well. ugh |
| 03:29.09 | learner | ah, jb, we're talking about two different versions.. |
| 03:29.13 | JBDiGriz | learner: I stripped the objects in the package as well, no reason to make it larger than necessary |
| 03:29.27 | learner | yes, the app has it's own versioning pulled from the infoplist |
| 03:29.44 | JBDiGriz | learner: I actually knew that, but I am still looking for a way to make the plist version a bit more automatic! |
| 03:30.05 | learner | yes, that would be good.. (though the plist version isn't really used) |
| 03:30.30 | JBDiGriz | Check the get info on the package. |
| 03:30.42 | learner | yes, there |
| 03:30.50 | CIA | commit by timriker: a couple that the script does not handle yet |
| 03:31.02 | JBDiGriz | Would you like to check the package, or should I just upload it? |
| 03:31.30 | learner | go ahead and upload, I can check it like everyone else.. ;) |
| 03:31.55 | JBDiGriz | This should be interesting, I've never tried it before! |
| 03:32.15 | CIA | commit by timriker: typo |
| 03:36.12 | *** join/#bzflag michaelh (Mouse@172-250.dynamic.visi.com) |
| 03:39.02 | CIA | commit by timriker: stop touching make makes |
| 03:39.31 | michaelh | it seems like we lots o' make file stuff happening :) |
| 03:39.52 | JBDiGriz | I do like the change note and release notes everyone has been putting in, I think I'll just copy and paste them. |
| 03:40.15 | TimRiker | ./src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj/Makefile |
| 03:40.15 | TimRiker | ./src/platform/MacOSX/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib/Makefile |
| 03:40.15 | TimRiker | ./src/platform/MacOSX/English.lproj/Makefile |
| 03:40.15 | TimRiker | ./src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile |
| 03:40.30 | TimRiker | should get deleted on make maintainer-clean but don't |
| 03:41.04 | learner | we didn't add those, tim.. |
| 03:41.17 | learner | ;) |
| 03:41.27 | TimRiker | they get created by automake, but not cleaned by make maintainer-clean |
| 03:41.38 | *** join/#bzflag csm (~csm@rdu74-169-059.nc.rr.com) |
| 03:41.44 | michaelh | perhaps we should just go .Net :) |
| 03:42.09 | csm | a question if someone has amoment |
| 03:42.13 | michaelh | F7 for everyone |
| 03:42.15 | michaelh | :) |
| 03:43.07 | JBDiGriz | learner: Looks like it's there, I haven't downloaded to verify though |
| 03:43.12 | csm | i am trying to upgrade turkey which is a text based server and has no X installed at all... any tips for how to build from the src.rpm in this environment? |
| 03:43.21 | JBDiGriz | Ouch, quit poking me! |
| 03:43.49 | learner | hey, jb, check out http://brlcad.org/~sean/IRC2.jpg and lemme know what you think.. |
| 03:44.13 | learner | I'll test the download now |
| 03:45.55 | csm | the sf download works |
| 03:46.30 | JBDiGriz | learner: I don't like the scores, but it does look pretty good! |
| 03:46.48 | learner | lol, jb |
| 03:46.54 | JBDiGriz | It does have that blotch in the middle though. |
| 03:48.48 | michaelh | biyloctch? |
| 03:49.14 | learner | i noticed, the blotch.. I actually think that was a tank that didn't render right.. |
| 03:49.14 | csm | so nobody has any clue how to make the rpm *NOT* build the client components? |
| 03:49.23 | michaelh | kind of fffffffffffoooooooooogggggggggggggggggggyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 03:49.43 | bzgirl | csm it has to be srpm? |
| 03:50.44 | Patlabor221 | dosn't the new build system let you do make bzfs ? |
| 03:50.45 | csm | yeah but I think I just found it... dunno how I missed it! (and you can call me kp! ;-) |
| 03:51.01 | bzgirl | kp: thought it as you :) |
| 03:51.56 | csm | --disable-client is an option in ./configure and I missed it before... (must be tired or something) |
| 03:52.34 | csm | Patlabor221: it might but I am trying to do it from rpm... if the src.rpm ultimately fails to build for me I will go to source |
| 03:53.07 | csm | bzgirl: if you are ever looking for me I can usually be found hanging out in the #lunar channel |
| 03:53.49 | bzgirl | kp cool, never heard of that one :) |
| 03:54.01 | csm | http://lunar-linux.org/ |
| 03:56.54 | bzgirl | ahh, Turkey, moonbase...all makes sense now |
| 03:57.36 | csm | aside from woring for RH I have owned my own company for years... it's http://moongroup.com so this is all connected if you see... |
| 03:57.52 | bzgirl | yeah :) |
| 03:58.02 | csm | anyway what OS do you run? |
| 03:58.24 | bzgirl | im a debian user |
| 03:58.38 | csm | http://thing.fwsystems.com/bench_report.php <---- you mihgt find this interesting |
| 03:59.57 | bzgirl | kp: this is compiled every package? a la gentoo? |
| 04:00.04 | learner | kp, the filter didn't make it in this release.. I'll let you know when it's ready |
| 04:00.23 | TimRiker | csm: thats a new option |
| 04:01.55 | csm | bzgirl: gentoo uses Python... Lunar is 100% bash |
| 04:02.14 | csm | and yes... everything is compile "in situ" |
| 04:02.29 | csm | TimRiker: the --disable-client thing? |
| 04:02.42 | csm | learner: okay |
| 04:02.57 | csm | i have to learn about what *IS* in this release now |
| 04:03.06 | csm | but it is up and running on turkey now... |
| 04:03.52 | Patlabor221 | user registration |
| 04:03.58 | Patlabor221 | user based permisions |
| 04:04.04 | Patlabor221 | anti-cheat stuff |
| 04:04.20 | csm | bzgirl: if you wanna get a chuckle look at the last row of the Unixbench results table |
| 04:04.48 | csm | ah but Patlabor22... I gotta learn how it works... ;-) |
| 04:05.02 | bzgirl | 381% faster shell scripts :) |
| 04:05.05 | Patlabor221 | yeah cap moved the docs into the man pages |
| 04:05.28 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@balt-209-163-100-233.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 04:05.41 | csm | bzgirl: yeah... ain;t that a hoot?!? |
| 04:06.07 | csm | Patlabor221: cool... tomorrow while I'm teaching class I will eyeball that stuff! |
| 04:06.12 | bzgirl | thats very fast, my "hello world" script would be a real screamer |
| 04:06.29 | Patlabor221 | basicly if you run a single server, you don't have to use /password anymore |
| 04:07.35 | bzgirl | csm: youd want lunar on say apache or a file server, do you use it as a desktop also? |
| 04:07.51 | csm | bzgirl: yeah we stomped RH9 on a lot of stuff... their kernel is faster than ours but that is about all |
| 04:08.04 | csm | bzgirl: I have... |
| 04:08.17 | Patlabor221 | Rh9 is buggy |
| 04:08.25 | Patlabor221 | BZ crashes the compiler :) |
| 04:08.34 | csm | bzgirl: I have a laptop and a firewall running it at home and two BA boxen as servers in a colo |
| 04:09.25 | csm | BA == "big a$$" |
| 04:09.29 | csm | :-) |
| 04:09.53 | csm | the machine I am typing on is running RH9 but I have to teach it so I kind of have to keep it around |
| 04:10.05 | learner | csm: what does lunar do differently to boost the shell scripting like that? |
| 04:10.23 | csm | he-he |
| 04:10.50 | Patlabor221 | it uses squirls rather then gerbils |
| 04:10.54 | csm | every single piece of it is custom compiled... with optimizations that can be customized on the fly... |
| 04:10.54 | learner | bash mods? |
| 04:10.58 | learner | ha ha, pat |
| 04:11.39 | learner | interesting, csm |
| 04:12.06 | csm | you should read the mysql section of that report... we blow 'em away so bad there they start breaking down and lunar is still going strong |
| 04:12.29 | csm | we've got our own channel here on freenode... #lunar |
| 04:12.36 | csm | all the devs hang out in there |
| 04:12.49 | CIA | commit by timriker: typo |
| 04:13.46 | csm | bzgirl: you're prolly thinking it's time consuming to build a WS with lunar... if it's a slow box it is but newer cpu's don;t take more than a day or so... |
| 04:14.13 | csm | anyway |
| 04:14.29 | csm | ttfn! |
| 04:14.32 | bzgirl | csm see ya |
| 04:14.37 | *** part/#bzflag csm (~csm@rdu74-169-059.nc.rr.com) |
| 04:15.09 | learner | I might just have to try that..interesting distro |
| 04:15.13 | CIA | commit by timriker: erase Makefile.in |
| 04:16.02 | captain_proton | bah. i get frustrated when it takes more than a month -after- we say "lets get this out ASAP" |
| 04:16.22 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 04:18.41 | captain_proton | bang on my head if you want, i think even slightly imperfect releases are better than snail's pace development cycles =/ |
| 04:20.01 | learner | ah, what a broken family.. *sigh* :) |
| 04:20.14 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 04:20.55 | MrApathyCream | imperfect releases just encourage people to (a) help (b) upgrade |
| 04:20.58 | MrApathyCream | both a good thing |
| 04:21.07 | MrApathyCream | hows that for spin-doctoring |
| 04:21.31 | captain_proton | =} |
| 04:22.45 | MrApathyCream | Mr. Labor, you round? |
| 04:22.50 | Patlabor221 | jess |
| 04:23.05 | captain_proton | on the other hand, if you had work to do TimRiker, why didn't you just say "i want you to drop the version back and write a script for it" ? :P |
| 04:23.08 | MrApathyCream | did installer.dsp get removed from dsw, or was it never really added |
| 04:23.27 | Patlabor221 | I pulled all the things that we don't need anymore |
| 04:23.34 | Patlabor221 | stuff that isn't used or would not build |
| 04:23.42 | Patlabor221 | so a full batch could be done |
| 04:24.21 | CIA | commit by timriker: properly ignore mac stuff |
| 04:24.22 | MrApathyCream | why don't we need it, is there a new way to build installer? |
| 04:24.32 | captain_proton | its rude to ignore MAC :) |
| 04:24.36 | MrApathyCream | HEAH! |
| 04:24.54 | TimRiker | heh |
| 04:25.18 | TimRiker | perhaps I should have said "ignore the little people"? |
| 04:25.24 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 04:26.06 | learner | hey! |
| 04:26.11 | learner | I heard that. |
| 04:26.21 | learner | grr |
| 04:26.50 | Patlabor221 | MAC, don't you reemeber the entire NSIS thing |
| 04:26.56 | Patlabor221 | we don't make our own installer anymore |
| 04:27.14 | MrApathyCream | yes, but the installer dsp was to build nsis |
| 04:27.28 | Patlabor221 | no it was to build the old installer.exe I think |
| 04:28.24 | Patlabor221 | heck you could put the nsis build in a command line, it dosn't need a dsp, it's just one line |
| 04:28.26 | MrApathyCream | nope, i just fixed it |
| 04:28.28 | MrApathyCream | checking in |
| 04:28.48 | Patlabor221 | you don't need it to build an insaller |
| 04:29.02 | Patlabor221 | a right click builds the installer |
| 04:29.35 | MrApathyCream | can build it automagically from vc |
| 04:30.37 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: Put installer.dsp back in the project, adjusting for new bin dirs |
| 04:30.59 | CIA | commit by timriker: debian fixes |
| 04:32.08 | MrApathyCream | wow g3 already :) |
| 04:33.56 | MrApathyCream | making a project allows for proper dependencies |
| 04:34.03 | TimRiker | "..\dist\BZFlag_1.7g3.exe" should probably be "..\dist\BZFlag1.7g3.exe" right? |
| 04:34.29 | MrApathyCream | prolly |
| 04:37.49 | learner | flux/blackbox was my favorite wm when linux was my primary |
| 04:39.38 | learner | obscure tabbed wm, even lighter than bb -- and (more importantly) a wm that also ran on sgi (blackbox has colormap issues).. |
| 04:40.04 | captain_proton | speaking of the farm |
| 04:40.10 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i wanna see pictures of your puppies :) |
| 04:40.12 | MrApathyCream | 37k aint fun |
| 04:40.20 | MrApathyCream | hmmm |
| 04:40.23 | michaelh | do you have ApathyCows on the farm? |
| 04:40.47 | michaelh | Mooo? |
| 04:41.02 | MrApathyCream | not yet |
| 04:41.14 | captain_proton | you need llamas first |
| 04:41.32 | MrApathyCream | too much spitting |
| 04:41.43 | captain_proton | not so much |
| 04:41.48 | michaelh | apathetic cow --> moooooo moo? .... pfffffttttt |
| 04:41.58 | captain_proton | but they're cute |
| 04:43.39 | Patlabor221 | so I should not talk about the 165k/s download I just go? |
| 04:45.28 | michaelh | apparently USR has decided that "unknown modem" is o.k. for windows 2000 -- no real Win2000 inf files for my modem...... |
| 04:46.00 | MrApathyCream | http://www.qis.net/~dbrosius/ca.jpg |
| 04:46.15 | captain_proton | =) |
| 04:46.50 | michaelh | unknown modem witha 100,000 connect :) |
| 04:51.16 | MrApathyCream | how goes the bzflag port to the SMJ320C80 Multimedia Video Processor ? |
| 04:51.45 | michaelh | ?? |
| 04:52.38 | MrApathyCream | http://www.qis.net/~dbrosius/eric.jpg |
| 04:52.39 | Patlabor221 | you haven't finished that yet? |
| 04:52.46 | Patlabor221 | we asigned it to you last week |
| 04:53.12 | MrApathyCream | haven't received one from tim yet |
| 04:54.02 | michaelh | ssooooooooooooooooooo what is the MSJ#@0C*) ? :) |
| 04:54.47 | MrApathyCream | chip for military applications |
| 04:57.52 | MrApathyCream | http://www.qis.net/~dbrosius/binky.jpg |
| 04:58.08 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221-deb (~jeffm@adsl-67-115-245-99.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 04:58.52 | captain_proton | ah, what a great show |
| 04:59.03 | captain_proton | "i've got mail order degrees in murderology AND murderonomy" |
| 05:01.18 | MrApathyCream | ssh is your friend |
| 05:01.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah it is, but I can't even get to the page to tell me the settings :) |
| 05:01.45 | Patlabor221 | hooking up new machine |
| 05:01.51 | Patlabor221 | plan b |
| 05:01.56 | learner | Ah... I wasn't sure if it was her in the channel or not.. was going to ask, but then she was gone. |
| 05:02.04 | MrApathyCream | settings? |
| 05:02.19 | Patlabor221 | to co |
| 05:02.35 | MrApathyCream | -d:ext:patlabor221@cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag |
| 05:02.38 | Patlabor221 | who her? |
| 05:02.56 | captain_proton | learner: hehe |
| 05:02.57 | Patlabor221 | close but not quite mac, but thats' what I need thanks |
| 05:03.26 | CIA | commit by timriker: remove _ from .exe |
| 05:03.30 | learner | ACK! |
| 05:03.39 | bzgirl | learner: ha ha ha |
| 05:03.40 | bzgirl | :) |
| 05:04.25 | Patlabor221 | WHAT!??? |
| 05:04.55 | Patlabor221 | it's just an XP1900+ |
| 05:05.16 | Patlabor221 | and only a GF2 ultra |
| 05:05.37 | *** part/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 05:05.43 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you forget that until just last year, MrApathyCream was playing without a monitor :) |
| 05:06.10 | Patlabor221 | it's only on a little 17" nanao F217 swiching monitor |
| 05:06.15 | Patlabor221 | I mean that's way tiny |
| 05:06.24 | Patlabor221 | almost not neve worht hi |
| 05:07.10 | MrApathyCream | and now we don't play, so it's ok |
| 05:07.10 | CIA | commit by timriker: debian fixes |
| 05:07.20 | captain_proton | =) |
| 05:08.14 | Patlabor221 | tho I think I need to install sound stuff |
| 05:08.59 | MrApathyCream | *sigh* rebuild the kernel why you're at it |
| 05:09.20 | Patlabor221 | no I didn't have to do that |
| 05:09.38 | MrApathyCream | it's not about 'having' to, or at least that's what i've heard |
| 05:10.05 | MrApathyCream | i think it's a zen-thing |
| 05:10.07 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: you should use -d:ext:patlabor221@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag |
| 05:10.08 | Patlabor221 | nope no build here ether, tho at least here the compiler dosn't crash |
| 05:10.19 | TimRiker | well, Patlabor221 should... ;-) |
| 05:10.42 | Patlabor221 | or my actual login name on SF |
| 05:10.43 | captain_proton | except Patlabor221's sf name is jeffm2501 :) |
| 05:10.46 | MrApathyCream | huh, never tried that |
| 05:10.54 | MrApathyCream | cuts down on the typing |
| 05:11.04 | TimRiker | oh, yeah. ;-) |
| 05:11.05 | Patlabor221 | I jsut use cvs.sf.net |
| 05:11.30 | learner | are there stats on the files downloaded from sf? |
| 05:11.37 | TimRiker | yes |
| 05:11.57 | TimRiker | We're Sorry. |
| 05:11.57 | TimRiker | The SourceForge.net Website is currently down for maintenance. |
| 05:11.57 | TimRiker | We will be back shortly |
| 05:12.05 | captain_proton | :P |
| 05:12.15 | Patlabor221 | gahhhhh it still crashes the compiler!!! why me !!! why me!!!! |
| 05:12.36 | MrApathyCream | stick with the bzflag dev platform of choice, and you will find peace |
| 05:13.00 | Patlabor221 | I do, I was just tryin to be nice, and test on that other platform to make sure I don't bust stuff |
| 05:13.06 | Patlabor221 | but it seems it's allready busted |
| 05:13.15 | Patlabor221 | so I don't have to help |
| 05:13.16 | MrApathyCream | cool, floodgates are open :) |
| 05:13.47 | Patlabor221 | well I think this calls for plan C |
| 05:14.13 | MrApathyCream | wow xmission is dead last in lis |
| 05:14.14 | MrApathyCream | t |
| 05:15.49 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 05:16.03 | MrApathyCream | hmm blew myself up with (SR) |
| 05:16.22 | captain_proton | we're just pawns in his diabolical game of checkers! |
| 05:16.28 | Patlabor221 | drive backwards |
| 05:19.29 | captain_proton | look at walter koening, after star trek, he became an actor! |
| 05:19.49 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 05:20.32 | learner | what's up with bzflist? ... isn't that shorter than it's supposed to be? |
| 05:22.09 | TimRiker | it's only servers with people |
| 05:22.35 | TimRiker | there are 38 servers in the list, but only 6 with people on them. |
| 05:22.59 | learner | ah, didn't know that -- good to know |
| 05:24.23 | Patlabor221 | ok cap, splain this |
| 05:24.24 | Patlabor221 | http://www.dvd.com/product_movies.asp?type=Movie&productnumber=58165 |
| 05:25.08 | captain_proton | omg i need that |
| 05:25.13 | captain_proton | scanline: poke |
| 05:25.18 | Patlabor221 | WTF IS IT? |
| 05:25.23 | scanline | captain_proton: hm? |
| 05:25.31 | captain_proton | "the largest Star Trek Scenario Paintball Competition ever" |
| 05:25.45 | scanline | yikes |
| 05:25.46 | Patlabor221 | but why? |
| 05:25.48 | Patlabor221 | why |
| 05:25.50 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 05:26.16 | Patlabor221 | they are all wearing red shirts |
| 05:26.30 | captain_proton | its william shatner in a star trek type uniform holding a paintball gun and you're asking why? |
| 05:26.33 | captain_proton | there is no why |
| 05:26.44 | Patlabor221 | WHY!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:27.14 | Patlabor221 | back in the day of marrage. |
| 05:27.31 | captain_proton | i've got him in mp3 doing rocketman |
| 05:27.43 | Patlabor221 | it had lucy in the sky with diamons |
| 05:27.46 | Patlabor221 | and he was WASTED |
| 05:28.13 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:28.28 | Patlabor221 | that was one CD I was glad I didn't get outa that house |
| 05:28.43 | Patlabor221 | I have the spock sings one round here somewhere tho |
| 05:29.03 | Patlabor221 | I got the spock CD, she got the Kirk |
| 05:29.11 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:29.23 | captain_proton | when it comes to spock, the only thing worth it is the bilbo baggins music video |
| 05:29.33 | Patlabor221 | helllz yeah |
| 05:29.38 | Patlabor221 | that made me fall down |
| 05:30.19 | Patlabor221 | ohh I added a song to the "wierd" folder you and fiber may engoy |
| 05:30.28 | Patlabor221 | http://bfoj.bakadigital.com/wierd/South%20Park%20-%20Come%20Sail%20Away%20%20Eric%20Cartman.mp3 |
| 05:32.21 | fiberchunks | 'nightmares on wax' ? |
| 05:32.23 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 05:32.42 | Patlabor221 | I haven't listend to that yet |
| 05:32.47 | Patlabor221 | BZG sent it up |
| 05:32.54 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 05:33.04 | Patlabor221 | realy listen to that one cap :) |
| 05:33.12 | Patlabor221 | it's got a piano :) |
| 05:33.47 | Patlabor221 | bzg gets a prety fat pipin into there, she's been doing good |
| 05:34.04 | fiberchunks | imma setup a test bed here at home to diddle with and mod the shite out of it -- when it's functional, I'll ship it up |
| 05:34.24 | fiberchunks | don't wanna add these mods to a live board -- they're massive |
| 05:34.30 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:34.33 | fiberchunks | you like the attach mod ? |
| 05:34.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:34.41 | fiberchunks | good |
| 05:34.43 | Patlabor221 | I uped the sizes too |
| 05:34.48 | fiberchunks | to what |
| 05:34.54 | Patlabor221 | 250 megs total |
| 05:35.04 | Patlabor221 | just so I don't have to look at it in a while |
| 05:35.07 | fiberchunks | oh, that -- I thought you meant indiv upload sizes |
| 05:35.10 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 05:35.18 | Patlabor221 | I also turned on the quotas |
| 05:35.31 | fiberchunks | well, if there's any questions, I posted that user guide on bfoj |
| 05:35.43 | Patlabor221 | yeah saw it, prety self explanitory |
| 05:35.50 | Patlabor221 | I added some bad extensions too |
| 05:35.53 | fiberchunks | yeah, it's a nicely designed mod, imho |
| 05:36.00 | fiberchunks | oh ghod, please not flash |
| 05:36.01 | Patlabor221 | need to ad some more "OK" extensions |
| 05:36.02 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 05:36.09 | Patlabor221 | I added stuff to the "Bad" list |
| 05:36.11 | Patlabor221 | like .bat |
| 05:36.13 | Patlabor221 | .vb |
| 05:36.14 | fiberchunks | ah, ic |
| 05:36.15 | Patlabor221 | ect... |
| 05:36.19 | fiberchunks | kul |
| 05:36.49 | Patlabor221 | I just want to add .map,.obj,.3ds, ect.. to the ok file |
| 05:36.49 | fiberchunks | I think we could up the indiv file size to 512 k, but that all depends on the users pipage |
| 05:36.58 | Patlabor221 | probalbly .c, cpp aslo |
| 05:37.08 | Patlabor221 | maybe |
| 05:37.13 | fiberchunks | yeah, I say, anything that isn't executable is dandy til I learn more about it |
| 05:37.14 | Patlabor221 | we'll see how it goes |
| 05:37.52 | fiberchunks | oooooo, we could have a 'textures' forum |
| 05:38.01 | fiberchunks | category, i mean |
| 05:38.23 | fiberchunks | and a 'models' category |
| 05:38.28 | Patlabor221 | yeah, I want to add those yeah |
| 05:38.33 | Patlabor221 | and code and stuff liket hat |
| 05:38.35 | fiberchunks | or a 3d category in general, actually |
| 05:40.53 | Patlabor221 | time for some readin |
| 05:40.57 | Patlabor221 | see ya all l8r |
| 05:41.02 | fiberchunks | later |
| 05:53.29 | CIA | commit by timriker: restore header |
| 05:53.41 | CIA | commit by timriker: debian fixes |
| 06:03.20 | TimRiker | how can I set compiles to use -mcpu=somethingelse? |
| 06:04.02 | captain_proton | --host= :) |
| 06:04.33 | TimRiker | hmm. the spec assumes x86 arch. oops.... |
| 06:04.49 | captain_proton | whatcha building an rpm for? |
| 06:04.51 | captain_proton | or...deb? |
| 06:05.02 | learner | sourceforge is back up |
| 06:05.43 | TimRiker | looked at the spec cause it should build a 486 binary too. |
| 06:06.12 | TimRiker | but it looks like it will try to build a 386 binary on arm for example. |
| 06:06.28 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 06:06.40 | captain_proton | better than before, where it would build a 486 binary and call it .i386.rpm |
| 06:08.35 | captain_proton | time to go get undirty |
| 06:09.31 | TimRiker | should be --target= or --host= or --build= ? |
| 06:10.37 | fiberchunks | TimRiker> is the only license in use gpl2 for bzflag? |
| 06:12.40 | captain_proton | --build is the current host |
| 06:12.48 | captain_proton | --host is somewhat synonymous with --target |
| 06:13.03 | captain_proton | TimRiker: i thought you'd know this, given that you're an embedded type guy ;-) |
| 06:15.45 | TimRiker | fiberchunks: g2 is under lgpl 2.1 actually. I'm open to alternatives if desired. why? |
| 06:16.24 | fiberchunks | just wondering about trying to create a gentoo .ebuild for g2 |
| 06:16.26 | fiberchunks | is all |
| 06:16.31 | TimRiker | captain_proton: it's all a hack. I have to rethink it every time. some things use host to mean the build system and some use host to mean the target |
| 06:16.55 | fiberchunks | wanted to make sure I didn't put the wrong license info in there |
| 06:17.24 | TimRiker | fiberchunks: g2 is under lgpl 2.1 with some code (ie md5 etc) license free and one build tool (man2html) under GPL. |
| 06:17.34 | fiberchunks | thanks |
| 06:17.41 | TimRiker | yepper. |
| 06:28.05 | CIA | commit by timriker: debian to i486 |
| 06:30.08 | captain_proton | so if debian arch is i386, it builds an i486 package? :P |
| 06:36.01 | TimRiker | yep. ;-) at least I put a comment in there to that effect. ;-) |
| 06:36.13 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 06:37.14 | captain_proton | whoa |
| 06:37.17 | captain_proton | an sf task |
| 06:37.23 | captain_proton | its like we're a proper project or something |
| 06:38.13 | captain_proton | learner: it might be a good idea to first try to split out reusable code from bzflag - network, world db, etc - into a library |
| 06:41.09 | CIA | commit by timriker: rpms for non-x86 anyone? |
| 06:41.27 | captain_proton | no! why would anybody want an rpm for a non-x86 platform? |
| 06:43.49 | captain_proton | whoa learner |
| 06:43.54 | captain_proton | you're doing alife for bots? |
| 06:47.21 | learner | oops, wasn't paying attention to irc |
| 06:47.26 | learner | yes, cap |
| 06:47.39 | learner | to both your questions |
| 06:48.02 | learner | ai is right up my alley -- good stuff |
| 06:48.12 | captain_proton | that'll be nifty if you pull it off :) |
| 06:48.37 | learner | there's a bit of work to do... |
| 06:48.54 | captain_proton | are you sure you want the subproject to be "1.8" ? |
| 06:49.01 | learner | and, like you mentioned, there's a bunch of code that "should" get shuffled in the process |
| 06:49.07 | learner | beforehand |
| 06:51.58 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:52.02 | learner | there's enough to do in the meantime, though, regardless |
| 06:52.06 | captain_proton | subliminal messages in these email subjects |
| 06:52.08 | captain_proton | "CVS: bzflag/debian rules,1.6.2.4,1.6.2.5" |
| 06:55.12 | TimRiker | heh |
| 06:56.37 | learner | night gents |
| 07:00.52 | CIA | commit by timriker: debian rules, debian rox, oh.... don't build debug by default |
| 07:01.00 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 07:02.51 | TimRiker | CIA/ibot should feed off the -dev list and post stuff here including task updates. ;-) |
| 07:03.22 | captain_proton | i had it posting tracker updates off the -dev list but my filter is doing something wonky |
| 07:08.52 | CIA | sussudio changed Bugs 756074 (Radar & Panel Overlaps): Status->'Deleted' |
| 07:08.56 | captain_proton | hm |
| 07:08.59 | captain_proton | so the filter works fine |
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| 07:30.13 | TimRiker | well headed home. I'll put out a debian release tomorrow night. |
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| 09:37.16 | bomber | moin |
| 09:38.41 | jzaun | evening |
| 09:42.00 | bomber | :o) |
| 09:42.14 | bomber | ibot moin |
| 09:42.19 | | from memory, moin is North German for everything you would say for salutatory |
| 09:42.29 | jzaun | Give it 20 min. and it will be morning here :-P |
| 09:43.13 | jzaun | oh, mion |
| 09:47.50 | [dmp] | hey |
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| 13:29.38 | [dmp] | hi bzgirl |
| 13:29.54 | bzgirl | hello |
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| 14:02.46 | sussudio | gah |
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| 14:03.00 | sussudio | ducati map very very bad right now |
| 14:03.25 | learner | very rico-ish? |
| 14:03.30 | sussudio | snort. |
| 14:03.40 | learner | heh |
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| 14:55.25 | learner | know |
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| 15:32.23 | captain_proton | yay |
| 15:32.25 | captain_proton | more whining on bzbb |
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| 15:35.26 | Mayhem | Is there going to be a release announcement? |
| 15:36.16 | captain_proton | announcement where? |
| 15:36.30 | Mayhem | sourceforge |
| 15:36.35 | Patlabor221 | you can send an SF anouncment |
| 15:36.35 | captain_proton | that too |
| 15:36.52 | Mayhem | :) |
| 15:39.02 | [dmp] | bzflag.org would also be a good place to put an annoucement ? (the wiki-page) |
| 15:39.21 | captain_proton | [dmp]: the bzflag.org front page has it now |
| 15:39.27 | Mayhem | I'm distressed I found out about g2 from bzbb :( |
| 15:39.44 | Patlabor221 | bzbb is the shiznit tho. |
| 15:39.47 | captain_proton | Mayhem: you could monitor the file ;-) |
| 15:40.05 | Patlabor221 | you can't monitor a file that dosn't exist |
| 15:41.45 | Patlabor221 | what could be more important the watching minors argue? |
| 15:46.14 | Patlabor221 | what are all the extensions that a map can have? |
| 15:46.23 | Patlabor221 | I did map,.bzw, .world |
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| 15:46.27 | Patlabor221 | any others? |
| 15:46.31 | bzgirl | or none |
| 15:46.44 | Patlabor221 | the thing dosn't do "none" for some reason |
| 15:46.58 | bzgirl | you can a world called just map |
| 15:47.06 | bzgirl | have* |
| 15:47.08 | Patlabor221 | yeah BZ will accept anyting |
| 15:47.38 | sussudio | god, this is hilarious. |
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| 15:47.46 | sussudio | i used the nick 'his teammate'..... |
| 15:48.03 | sussudio | and "spanish inquisition" kept calling me a cheater because "i'm a rogue!!! i can't be killed by teammates!" |
| 15:49.42 | bzgirl | there was a guy on today as "********server warning" he kept saying "your lag is too high (600ms)*******" |
| 15:50.06 | sussudio | :-| |
| 15:51.14 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i mean he could monitor the source release, for instance |
| 15:51.14 | captain_proton | and get an email as soon as the tarball is posted |
| 15:51.18 | captain_proton | blah |
| 15:51.20 | captain_proton | why can't the sf admins keep the thing up? |
| 15:51.35 | Patlabor221 | or the fist could just sent the anouncements :) |
| 15:51.43 | sussudio | cvs-tional disfunction? |
| 15:51.52 | captain_proton | bah! |
| 15:51.54 | captain_proton | freakin comcast |
| 15:52.23 | Patlabor221 | cap how hard woudl it be to make a script that ran on asgard and got cvs via ssh, and put it in our cvs server |
| 15:52.35 | Patlabor221 | we woudln't get hisotry, but still better then nothing |
| 15:52.43 | Patlabor221 | and mayhave have it update every hour |
| 15:52.51 | captain_proton | pretty simple |
| 15:53.09 | Patlabor221 | do you think we should do that? |
| 15:53.17 | Patlabor221 | noone could check in, but it would be a more current anon |
| 15:53.18 | captain_proton | i don't -really- see the point |
| 15:53.29 | captain_proton | ah, anon...hm |
| 15:53.30 | Patlabor221 | anon is allways down/flakey/late |
| 15:53.40 | captain_proton | seems better to just have it automatically make snapshot tarballs |
| 15:53.46 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 15:53.51 | Patlabor221 | just something |
| 15:54.27 | captain_proton | i could rig up another script in the cvs repos that emails a user on asgard which triggers a snapshot build =) |
| 15:54.43 | Patlabor221 | that would be cool |
| 15:55.40 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm we could get realy tricky, I could have it also mail rangarok, and it could do a windows build, installer, then post it :) |
| 15:55.52 | captain_proton | hehehe |
| 15:56.55 | Patlabor221 | asgard could build an rpm couldn't it? |
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| 15:57.15 | captain_proton | it -could- |
| 15:57.28 | Patlabor221 | should it? |
| 15:57.46 | captain_proton | i don't really like the idea of posting automatic builds that may or may not be severely broken |
| 15:58.11 | Patlabor221 | it's the "experimental" version |
| 15:58.24 | captain_proton | hah |
| 15:58.29 | Patlabor221 | bleeding edge an all that |
| 15:59.05 | Patlabor221 | mostly for those who want to use latest, but don't want to/can't build |
| 16:00.34 | captain_proton | those people are silly |
| 16:00.44 | Patlabor221 | perhaps, but the are most of your players |
| 16:01.02 | sussudio | right. i see people still playing e6. most are using g0. |
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| 16:01.47 | Patlabor221 | g0 tarball had 5264 downloads |
| 16:02.01 | Patlabor221 | g0 windows installer....26252 downloads |
| 16:02.30 | JBDiGriz | Most people don't want the bleeding edge, especially if it doesn't work. |
| 16:02.50 | Patlabor221 | I'm not talking about puting it on SF or antyi8ng |
| 16:02.59 | Patlabor221 | just a page on bakadigital for those that do. |
| 16:03.14 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: seems like its better to just post a working build every once in a while |
| 16:03.24 | Patlabor221 | that woudl be good too |
| 16:03.25 | captain_proton | rather than have potential file management builds ;) |
| 16:04.56 | Patlabor221 | mmmm time for the nice song. |
| 16:05.46 | Patlabor221 | cap you would like this: 317-disc_3_-_17_call_me_call_me-just.mp3 |
| 16:06.01 | sussudio | disney's greatest hits? |
| 16:06.06 | Patlabor221 | umm no |
| 16:06.17 | sussudio | itsasmallworldafterall |
| 16:06.28 | Patlabor221 | I can probably get that for ya if you want tho. |
| 16:06.49 | sussudio | or the meowmix commercial |
| 16:06.59 | Patlabor221 | your on your own on that one. |
| 16:07.09 | sussudio | :-B |
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| 16:10.55 | captain_proton | welp |
| 16:11.01 | captain_proton | i think i'll be heading in to work |
| 16:11.14 | Patlabor221 | tennis girls again? |
| 16:11.36 | captain_proton | if i'm lucky |
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| 16:18.17 | michaelh | hey pat -- crucial sent me the right 256 mb dimm -- it's so coolll |
| 16:18.25 | michaelh | it's got 16 chips on it too... |
| 16:18.27 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 16:18.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah low density |
| 16:18.34 | michaelh | unbuffered..... |
| 16:18.59 | michaelh | I thought it had to be "registered" or something.. I guess not |
| 16:19.22 | michaelh | 32M x 64... |
| 16:19.31 | Patlabor221 | that just means it was testing in all boards, as long as it hits the specs it's cool. |
| 16:20.34 | Patlabor221 | ooooo this looks promicing, we may not need to keep the .net projects in CVS anymore :) |
| 16:20.47 | michaelh | My experience with the local mom & pop stores had me thinking it was going to be more difficult |
| 16:20.54 | michaelh | why is that? |
| 16:20.59 | Patlabor221 | what puting ram in? |
| 16:21.04 | Patlabor221 | ram is simple |
| 16:21.11 | michaelh | no getting the right stuff |
| 16:21.37 | michaelh | One place gave me stuff that registered as half of the module size... |
| 16:21.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah I had sperate ones cus the update from the dsps didn't work, but now that i've changed the dsps it's working a lot better |
| 16:22.36 | Patlabor221 | damn MAC, I told him most systems didn't have a rule to build the installer |
| 16:23.27 | Patlabor221 | the installer should be dependent on the apps, not the other way around. |
| 16:23.52 | michaelh | is there some "system info" thing in windows 98? |
| 16:24.03 | michaelh | that shows memory slots etc... |
| 16:24.11 | Patlabor221 | slots no, the OS dosn't know slots |
| 16:24.14 | Patlabor221 | the bios knows |
| 16:24.28 | michaelh | I have "the ultimate boot disk" :) |
| 16:24.35 | michaelh | which shows that info |
| 16:24.44 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 16:24.51 | Patlabor221 | use that then |
| 16:24.53 | michaelh | know of any partition table backup software? |
| 16:25.09 | Patlabor221 | partition magic |
| 16:25.19 | michaelh | can it do just the tables? |
| 16:25.24 | michaelh | back them up? |
| 16:25.47 | michaelh | I always PM was what could cause you lose your partition tables :) |
| 16:26.07 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: Removed .net soln and vcproj since now the dsp/dsw upgrade works. Easyer to maitain one set. |
| 16:26.19 | Patlabor221 | its suposed to do all that |
| 16:26.23 | Patlabor221 | or ghost maybe |
| 16:26.39 | michaelh | ghost backs up entire partitions, but not just tables |
| 16:26.45 | Patlabor221 | then I dono |
| 16:26.51 | Patlabor221 | I never mess with that kinda stuff |
| 16:26.58 | michaelh | I'd rather not either...... |
| 16:27.05 | michaelh | but losing entire partitions is not cool |
| 16:27.19 | Patlabor221 | I prefer the "one big ass partition" methodology |
| 16:27.28 | michaelh | doesn't work with 3 os's] |
| 16:27.33 | Patlabor221 | sure it does, |
| 16:27.35 | Patlabor221 | 3 drives |
| 16:27.46 | michaelh | I like my quiet |
| 16:27.48 | michaelh | :) |
| 16:27.54 | Patlabor221 | then get quiet drives |
| 16:28.09 | Patlabor221 | or get a computer per OS |
| 16:28.19 | michaelh | I suppose |
| 16:28.20 | Patlabor221 | and why do you need 3? |
| 16:28.28 | michaelh | Win2000,98,linux |
| 16:28.32 | Patlabor221 | whyt 98? |
| 16:28.42 | michaelh | Study for the tupid A+ |
| 16:28.56 | michaelh | I just got 2000 actually |
| 16:28.58 | Patlabor221 | run it in vmware on linux |
| 16:29.20 | michaelh | I'll have to "migrate" to 2000 :) |
| 16:29.46 | Patlabor221 | aka install your stuff |
| 16:30.12 | michaelh | it's really bizarre -- even though linux fdisk and pm4 see the same hd parameters, they don't seem to be able to co-exist on my hd |
| 16:30.38 | sussudio | michaelpig: apt-get install partimage |
| 16:30.52 | michaelh | ? |
| 16:31.01 | sussudio | :-| |
| 16:31.02 | michaelh | partimage for linux? |
| 16:31.16 | michaelh | or is that a command line? |
| 16:31.24 | Patlabor221 | it's OS indepenednt iirc |
| 16:31.31 | Patlabor221 | it's it's own boot thingy |
| 16:31.32 | sussudio | http://packages.debian.org/stable/non-us/partimage.html |
| 16:31.36 | Patlabor221 | like system commander |
| 16:34.23 | michaelh | I had installed linux --> certain windows apps said I errors on my partition table, then I ran win98 fdisk to delete a windows partition and my windows errors went away and it wiped out my linux partition :) |
| 16:36.06 | Patlabor221 | icky |
| 16:36.32 | michaelh | does windows fdisk just go and delete things it doesn't like? |
| 16:36.53 | Patlabor221 | 98fdisk dosn't like non windows partions |
| 16:36.58 | Patlabor221 | use the disk mananger in 2k |
| 16:37.00 | Patlabor221 | much better |
| 16:37.23 | michaelh | yes that one didn't actually delete the linux partition, it just clobbered it so I couldn't recover it or boot from it |
| 16:37.44 | michaelh | but again it restored it to working order in windows |
| 16:38.41 | Patlabor221 | just ditch 98, install 2k, install linux, then put 98 inside a vmware session in linux. |
| 16:39.07 | michaelh | you mean total reformat I assume :) |
| 16:39.15 | Patlabor221 | cleanest way |
| 16:41.50 | michaelh | it's the exclusive or :) |
| 16:42.06 | michaelh | some guy asked me that as an interview question |
| 16:42.11 | sussudio | so what does that make doug, the vice-mayor |
| 16:42.17 | Patlabor221 | janitor |
| 16:42.31 | sussudio | in charge of pigsties |
| 16:42.42 | Patlabor221 | if that's your fetish, sure. |
| 16:46.35 | prot-work | no tennis girls :( |
| 16:46.50 | Patlabor221 | perhaps you need to get up earlyer |
| 16:47.13 | prot-work | naw, its kind of cloudy and cold and rainy outside today |
| 16:47.27 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 16:47.37 | Chestal | same here |
| 16:47.49 | Patlabor221 | trade weather with ya |
| 16:48.08 | Chestal | so, which platforms are still missing now? |
| 16:48.20 | prot-work | i think debian & o32 mips |
| 16:48.32 | Chestal | Tim does Debian? |
| 16:48.38 | prot-work | he was planning to this evening |
| 16:49.08 | Chestal | what's the status of CVS? 1.7g3 now or do we already have a 1.9 or whatever? |
| 16:49.18 | prot-work | we're technically g3 right now |
| 16:49.34 | prot-work | tim is going to overwrite HEAD, then we'll switch to 1.9.0 |
| 16:49.36 | Chestal | and g3 is identical to g2 more or less? |
| 16:49.44 | prot-work | yeah, pretty much |
| 16:50.02 | Chestal | because this is what I just checked out |
| 16:50.03 | JBDiGriz | Have we renamed the current release to g3? |
| 16:50.15 | Chestal | might confuse peopel when I run g3 servers :-) |
| 16:50.21 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: huh? ... |
| 16:50.45 | Patlabor221 | g3 is just for anythign that gets put in after g2, but before the move to 1.9 |
| 16:50.56 | Patlabor221 | it has to have SOME version. |
| 16:51.13 | JBDiGriz | Thanks Pat, these in between versions always confuse me! |
| 16:51.42 | Patlabor221 | also if there was some HUGE bug we could make a g4 if we had to |
| 16:52.15 | prot-work | Patlabor221: we didn't immediately release when superjump snuck into e..4? |
| 16:52.44 | Patlabor221 | well was that by design, or by the aplication of deleopemnt apathy |
| 16:52.47 | JBDiGriz | There was a huge bug in the mac build, but we fixed it last night. I have to commit the changes to the project builder file this morning. |
| 16:53.01 | prot-work | sigh... :p |
| 16:53.21 | Patlabor221 | cus G2 is like what 3 months overdue now? |
| 16:53.48 | Chestal | make that 4 months |
| 16:53.55 | Patlabor221 | I was being nice :) |
| 16:53.59 | Chestal | but of course we now got more in then we would have back then |
| 16:54.00 | JBDiGriz | G2 is out, so it's not overdue anymore! |
| 16:54.10 | Patlabor221 | no, it sitll is |
| 16:54.39 | Patlabor221 | it's nice that some stuff got put in at the end |
| 16:54.41 | Patlabor221 | but.... |
| 16:56.07 | JBDiGriz | Looking forward, we need to get the current release into head, and then create a branch to break protocol. |
| 16:56.21 | Patlabor221 | they don't branch |
| 16:56.30 | Patlabor221 | masive uses of tags |
| 16:56.39 | JBDiGriz | Why not? tags are cheap. |
| 16:56.42 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: why branch? |
| 16:56.47 | prot-work | branches are evil in CVS |
| 16:56.58 | Patlabor221 | then don't use CVS :) |
| 16:57.14 | JBDiGriz | It leaves head as the currently stable development. 1.8 is a good example of why to branch. |
| 16:57.30 | prot-work | thats what we want though |
| 16:57.40 | Patlabor221 | we branch and remerge in SS all the time |
| 16:57.44 | prot-work | just because we're breaking protocol doesn't mean it isn't stable |
| 16:57.50 | Patlabor221 | we have dev, stable, ect... |
| 16:58.12 | prot-work | and merging branches in cvs is a huge pain in the ass, especially for big-ish things |
| 16:58.39 | JBDiGriz | Agreed that merging branches are a pain, but you go through that pain in one direction or the other. |
| 16:58.46 | Patlabor221 | well it seems doing any bigish thing in BZ is a pain in the ass too. I have yet to see multiple people work on one thing. |
| 16:58.58 | prot-work | Patlabor221: MAC & I did fez |
| 16:59.07 | Patlabor221 | fez? |
| 16:59.13 | prot-work | flag-entry zones |
| 16:59.16 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 16:59.25 | prot-work | which then got promptly rejected :) |
| 16:59.26 | Patlabor221 | well I didn't see it :) |
| 16:59.32 | JBDiGriz | I've been involved in some massive projects where multiple people from different areas work on different branches from the same code base. |
| 17:00.02 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: the current style of development doesn't -really- lend itself to that |
| 17:00.09 | prot-work | i'd like to see it more |
| 17:00.13 | Patlabor221 | I realy think that before everyone goes ripin up after proto break, we need to figure out what is needed, wanted, and how it should be implemented, and then it needs to be assigned. |
| 17:01.14 | JBDiGriz | Pat, that's a good reason to branch, people who are less structured can still work on patches for the running system. |
| 17:01.30 | JBDiGriz | While the structured people can be working towards the new system. |
| 17:01.35 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: but until there are real tasks to work on, there's no reason to create any branches |
| 17:01.38 | prot-work | :P |
| 17:01.57 | Patlabor221 | JBD, they can, they just make it against the marked 17_g2 tag or what ever. |
| 17:02.04 | JBDiGriz | First real task, break the protocol to work on the new protocol. |
| 17:02.13 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: what "new" protocol? |
| 17:02.38 | Patlabor221 | first task, spec the new protocol |
| 17:02.45 | prot-work | we'll change the versioning, move to single port |
| 17:02.55 | JBDiGriz | I'll go with a spec first. |
| 17:03.00 | prot-work | reimplement flag negociation |
| 17:03.03 | Patlabor221 | this all needs to be writen up |
| 17:03.06 | prot-work | but other than that, there isn't any specs |
| 17:03.18 | Patlabor221 | cus what if you run off with a tennis girl? |
| 17:03.24 | Patlabor221 | and we are left here wondering |
| 17:03.54 | Patlabor221 | tho I will be shoutin "go cap,,, go cap... it's ya birthday, it's ya birthday!" |
| 17:04.14 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221: Forcing structure on the less structured work force (e.g. using a particular tag) is part of herding cats. Do you really want to go there? |
| 17:04.25 | Patlabor221 | no I don't |
| 17:04.30 | Patlabor221 | I like branches |
| 17:04.34 | Patlabor221 | but it's up to Tim and Cap |
| 17:04.38 | Patlabor221 | well relay Tim |
| 17:05.06 | JBDiGriz | I like branches that are used properly. I have seen them used improperly which really screws a development team! |
| 17:05.39 | Patlabor221 | mergeing back is just part of life, there are tools to help you do it, cap just needs to use the computer as a tool :) |
| 17:06.13 | Chestal | merging can be hell |
| 17:06.16 | JBDiGriz | I think he does, but he might not have seen quite as much of it yet! I think he's trainable! |
| 17:06.21 | Patlabor221 | so can marage |
| 17:06.21 | prot-work | heh |
| 17:06.42 | Chestal | right now there is no reason to branch anyway |
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| 17:06.49 | Patlabor221 | looking at BZFS.cxx for too long can also be hell |
| 17:07.08 | prot-work | where there's no real difference between a module, branch, etc |
| 17:07.11 | prot-work | all just directories :) |
| 17:07.21 | Patlabor221 | cap, then move the poject somewhere else, I'll come back next year when you have it done then :) |
| 17:07.32 | Chestal | anyone watched 'Confessions of a Dangerous Mind'? |
| 17:07.37 | JBDiGriz | Right now, there's a reason to decide what we want to do and when. |
| 17:08.46 | Patlabor221 | cap if you want a lot of little release then you realy have to plan them out, or they will stall while someone "just puts this change in" |
| 17:09.09 | Patlabor221 | we need a roadmap |
| 17:09.29 | JBDiGriz | Here are some notes I'm taking, I can put an outline somewhere on sf if it's helpful |
| 17:09.35 | JBDiGriz | 1. Ongoing bug fixes |
| 17:09.43 | JBDiGriz | 2. Move current to head |
| 17:09.45 | Patlabor221 | that's a given |
| 17:09.50 | Patlabor221 | I mean more long term |
| 17:09.59 | JBDiGriz | 3. Write a spec |
| 17:10.11 | Patlabor221 | like the karma stuff, rendering engine changes, loadable models, all that |
| 17:10.16 | JBDiGriz | All things should be noted in the roadmap |
| 17:10.21 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:10.56 | prot-work | i think before we can decide exactly what goes when we need some design docs :P |
| 17:11.10 | Patlabor221 | that would be my point |
| 17:11.33 | JBDiGriz | That's what I'm trying to write down now. |
| 17:12.00 | Patlabor221 | It should not be done in IRC |
| 17:12.07 | Patlabor221 | make a wikki page for it |
| 17:12.13 | Patlabor221 | so everyone can add to it |
| 17:12.25 | JBDiGriz | IRC is a starting point for throwing ideas at a wall, and seeing what sticks |
| 17:12.43 | Patlabor221 | the wall is prety sticky |
| 17:12.48 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: yeah, but create a wiki page anyway ;) |
| 17:13.37 | JBDiGriz | I'll have to look up wikki pages. |
| 17:13.57 | Patlabor221 | SF dosn't have any group managment tools does it? |
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| 17:14.22 | Patlabor221 | like common pages/tasklist/whiteboard? |
| 17:14.28 | JBDiGriz | It has several, but I haven't been looking at them lately. |
| 17:15.00 | JBDiGriz | The last time I checked, it took too long to configure to be really useful. |
| 17:15.25 | Patlabor221 | well it's a one shot config isn't it? we need something |
| 17:15.30 | Patlabor221 | I coudl put something on BZBB |
| 17:17.15 | JBDiGriz | The problem was that it wasn't a one shot config. Everyone who joined had to go through too much pain. |
| 17:17.29 | JBDiGriz | It's probably gotten a lot better, so I can check again. |
| 17:17.53 | JBDiGriz | Wiki looks a little underdone from the initial search. I'll keep checking. |
| 17:18.38 | Patlabor221 | well depends, it gets blown out all the time it seems :) |
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| 17:24.18 | prot-work | SF doesn't have really useful tools |
| 17:24.32 | prot-work | its got the tasks list, which is somewhat painful to use |
| 17:24.49 | prot-work | as far as a whiteboard is concerned, we've got the wiki |
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| 17:25.15 | Patlabor221 | wiki is not backed up tho |
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| 17:25.51 | prot-work | it keeps a revision history |
| 17:26.28 | Patlabor221 | ahh is that new? cus it used to get blown out like all the time, and Tim would have to use google to recover it. |
| 17:27.22 | prot-work | well we replaced sfwiki with moinmoin |
| 17:27.38 | Patlabor221 | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 17:28.10 | prot-work | it still has issues every once in a while, but we can just restore an old revision |
| 17:28.34 | Patlabor221 | I think I lost the code to BZEdit :) |
| 17:28.36 | prot-work | http://bzflag.org/wiki/FrontPage?action=recall&date=1049307074 <-- example :) |
| 17:29.18 | Patlabor221 | perhaps a wiki on bakadigital that takes a login just for developers? |
| 17:29.38 | Patlabor221 | or just lets devs add |
| 17:29.43 | Patlabor221 | or something like that? |
| 17:30.55 | prot-work | i don't really see the point |
| 17:31.02 | prot-work | we don't have kiddie problems that often |
| 17:31.11 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 17:31.15 | prot-work | and since it is -so- easy to fix |
| 17:32.21 | JBDiGriz | Wiki on bakadigital looks like a good place to store ideas, but the problem will be getting people to go there and write down their ideas. |
| 17:32.33 | Patlabor221 | well we have BZBB |
| 17:32.39 | Patlabor221 | they could put them in there too |
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| 17:32.47 | prot-work | i'd rather just use the real wiki |
| 17:32.51 | prot-work | seeing as its all set up already :P |
| 17:33.00 | Patlabor221 | ok, then promote it more. |
| 17:33.32 | JBDiGriz | If it's plugged in, it keeps your toes warm too! |
| 17:33.40 | sussudio | and irradiated |
| 17:33.53 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.07 | prot-work | hiya ak|ra |
| 17:34.55 | prot-work | i think the first thing we ought to do is get in the patches that break protocol but don't credate a mess |
| 17:35.10 | prot-work | basically the ones where the only reason they're not in there now was our obsessive protocol compatibility |
| 17:35.11 | JBDiGriz | By the real wiki, do you mean c2.com? |
| 17:35.20 | Patlabor221 | fix the collision and speed things |
| 17:35.21 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: no, i mean http://bzflag.org/wiki/ |
| 17:35.46 | JBDiGriz | Sounds good, I'll try creating a sticky wiki page :) |
| 17:35.56 | Patlabor221 | sticky wicket |
| 17:37.08 | prot-work | things like...the flag cleanup, the network cleanup, the new game styles... |
| 17:37.16 | JBDiGriz | Put that firehose down Pat! |
| 17:37.31 | Patlabor221 | the wall must be cleaned for new stily |
| 17:37.33 | Patlabor221 | sticky |
| 17:37.35 | prot-work | pull in a couple things from 1.8 (like bzdb, which i'm working on) |
| 17:37.43 | Patlabor221 | what did bzdb do? |
| 17:38.01 | prot-work | its basically like our existing resourcedatabase but not quite so sucky |
| 17:38.08 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 17:38.49 | prot-work | yes, world database is a needtodo |
| 17:39.06 | JBDiGriz | I'm copying everything into a note for transfer to the page. |
| 17:39.07 | Patlabor221 | and vis |
| 17:39.08 | sussudio | will it have flying monkeys? |
| 17:39.12 | Patlabor221 | vis needs to be redone |
| 17:39.25 | prot-work | vis? you mean culling? |
| 17:39.31 | Patlabor221 | sure sussudio, but they can only come out of the rear of the tank |
| 17:39.34 | Patlabor221 | yes culling, |
| 17:40.14 | Patlabor221 | ooooo I think we shold do the ground riple when you jump like they did in the matrix :) |
| 17:40.21 | prot-work | hehehe |
| 17:40.36 | JBDiGriz | but only the flying monkeys. |
| 17:43.52 | sussudio | i'd like a patch to blow up cheaters at will |
| 17:44.08 | Patlabor221 | how bout the server just kick them |
| 17:44.22 | sussudio | yes, that would work if everyone upgrades their servers |
| 17:44.31 | Patlabor221 | with a proto break they have to :) |
| 17:44.47 | sussudio | or they'll keep running the old ones till about 2009 |
| 17:45.12 | Patlabor221 | 1.9 will not work with 1.7 servers |
| 17:45.19 | sussudio | yup. |
| 17:45.57 | JBDiGriz | How about I just take over the work in progress page, that way Pat can firehose it first! |
| 17:46.23 | Patlabor221 | ohh it's cool, i'm over the firehose need |
| 17:46.39 | JBDiGriz | In that case, I'll just clean it normally! :) |
| 17:47.15 | prot-work | Patlabor221: hopefully right after tim cuts a debian release |
| 17:47.26 | Patlabor221 | like I say, I have doubts |
| 17:47.29 | JBDiGriz | Cap'n, do you have any problems with me redoing the sticky wipi wiki? |
| 17:47.37 | prot-work | the what what? |
| 17:47.50 | JBDiGriz | wip = Work in Progress |
| 17:48.09 | prot-work | isn't that page very out of date? |
| 17:48.19 | Patlabor221 | just wipe it |
| 17:48.20 | prot-work | hm |
| 17:48.21 | JBDiGriz | It even claims to be! |
| 17:48.23 | Patlabor221 | start over |
| 17:48.29 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: have at it |
| 17:48.38 | prot-work | i think the only wiki page people really care about is FlagList :) |
| 17:48.55 | Patlabor221 | is that the one were all the lame flag ideas are submitied? |
| 17:49.10 | prot-work | there are some good ones |
| 17:49.13 | prot-work | like the USeless flag |
| 17:49.15 | Patlabor221 | some yes |
| 17:49.17 | prot-work | and Vegas Mode |
| 17:49.20 | prot-work | and Theif :) |
| 17:49.29 | Patlabor221 | what about the 300 others? |
| 17:49.37 | Patlabor221 | like "godzilla" |
| 17:49.46 | prot-work | the others are there to prevent munchkins from duping |
| 17:49.56 | Patlabor221 | and "rainin-pain-huricane" |
| 17:52.34 | sussudio | oooh.... spiffpatch: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=754999&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 17:53.01 | Patlabor221 | yeah cap why didn' you CVS that? |
| 17:53.18 | prot-work | it came in late |
| 17:53.21 | prot-work | it'll get in ;) |
| 17:53.34 | prot-work | basically same reason i didn't cvs the BeOS port |
| 17:54.10 | prot-work | bzflag snuck back onto the most active list :) |
| 17:54.41 | Patlabor221 | does the beOS port fully work? |
| 17:55.04 | prot-work | i think at this point it compiles but crashes on server join |
| 17:55.11 | prot-work | but if its in cvs its easier to bang on |
| 17:55.54 | prot-work | .... |
| 17:56.10 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:57.54 | JBDiGriz | First cut at the sticky wipi wiki is done. |
| 18:00.54 | prot-work | hm |
| 18:01.00 | prot-work | i'd forgotten how cool BZDB is:) |
| 18:01.40 | JBDiGriz | sussudio: get cygwin |
| 18:01.52 | sussudio | JBDiGriz: i have the win32 gnu utils |
| 18:01.53 | prot-work | callbacks for when values are touched, persistance settings per value, access controls on whether or not the user can change a value... |
| 18:02.06 | Patlabor221 | are you making a patch? or applying one? |
| 18:02.11 | sussudio | applying |
| 18:02.16 | Patlabor221 | then use patch |
| 18:02.20 | sussudio | i want to try the spiff hunting diff |
| 18:02.20 | Patlabor221 | not diff |
| 18:02.37 | prot-work | diff creates a patch, patch applies a diff :) |
| 18:02.50 | sussudio | ohyeah. |
| 18:03.31 | Patlabor221 | make sure the diff is in windows format, or the tool crashes |
| 18:03.49 | sussudio | it should work |
| 18:04.00 | Patlabor221 | I have done it once, and it worked |
| 18:07.42 | prot-work | ah |
| 18:07.56 | prot-work | its so nice to have singleton name:value databases for everything |
| 18:08.38 | prot-work | and not be passing around things or setting and reading members all the time |
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| 18:10.30 | JBDiGriz | about 3 hours south of you |
| 18:10.31 | Patlabor221 | welcome back |
| 18:10.37 | Patlabor221 | san diego? |
| 18:10.47 | JBDiGriz | Yeah |
| 18:10.51 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 18:10.57 | JBDiGriz | I like it! |
| 18:11.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah SD is nice |
| 18:11.15 | Patlabor221 | go down there every so often |
| 18:11.40 | JBDiGriz | Let me know when you're in town! |
| 18:11.57 | Patlabor221 | thankfully I don't get much of the "LAness" where I live |
| 18:12.29 | JBDiGriz | Simi was expanding into LAness last time I visited those environs. |
| 18:13.01 | Patlabor221 | naw, they are just going up to the hills now |
| 18:13.08 | Patlabor221 | and I don't live in simi anymore |
| 18:13.26 | prot-work | BYE CIA |
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| 18:13.29 | JBDiGriz | I won't go into the backwards spelling of your town! :) |
| 18:13.50 | Patlabor221 | well it is one |
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| 18:14.54 | prot-work | harumph |
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| 18:15.07 | prot-work | i hate how their servers lag in the flood kicks |
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| 18:28.12 | prot-work | sigh |
| 18:28.35 | sussudio | prot-work: tried the huntin patch? |
| 18:28.54 | prot-work | sussudio: not yet |
| 18:29.00 | prot-work | it looks good though |
| 18:29.14 | sussudio | it flashes your victim (spiff) on radar and adjusts "jaws" theme volume if you come close |
| 18:29.22 | prot-work | hehehe |
| 18:29.37 | prot-work | i'd like it if it just drew them differently on radar |
| 18:29.57 | sussudio | well, it's flashes |
| 18:30.11 | sussudio | guess you could make it a square or triangle or something |
| 18:31.11 | sussudio | err |
| 18:31.22 | sussudio | it just crashed on me while trying to join ducati |
| 18:31.24 | sussudio | ~d |
| 18:42.00 | prot-work | hm |
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| 18:58.10 | learnerAtWork | so is someone going to merge v1_7 into head or should I? |
| 18:58.14 | learnerAtWork | :) |
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| 18:58.25 | learnerAtWork | and what's wrong with CIA? |
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| 18:58.59 | prot-work | learnerAtWork: tim is planning to |
| 18:59.08 | prot-work | learnerAtWork: at least wait until after tim cuts a debian package |
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| 18:59.23 | learnerAtWork | ok |
| 18:59.46 | prot-work | and merging 1.7 into head is kind of icky |
| 18:59.53 | prot-work | gotta branch, delete everything & then add |
| 19:00.08 | learnerAtWork | ?? cap, why? |
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| 19:00.23 | prot-work | because 1.8 contains a lot of files that 1.7 doesn't and vice versa |
| 19:00.25 | learnerAtWork | why not do a proper rejoin? |
| 19:00.39 | learnerAtWork | that shouldn't matter.. |
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| 19:00.59 | prot-work | explain |
| 19:01.00 | learnerAtWork | that's why you do bidirectional merging |
| 19:01.07 | sussudio | sussi just typed the ducati password in public |
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| 19:01.26 | learnerAtWork | you merge head into v1_7 and resolve all the issues |
| 19:01.31 | prot-work | because it seems to me we'll end up either (a) losing a lot of files completely or (b) having a useless history on everything |
| 19:01.32 | learnerAtWork | tag prior and post |
| 19:01.44 | prot-work | cvs can't version a delete |
| 19:01.46 | learnerAtWork | then save to v1_7 branch and tag |
| 19:02.01 | learnerAtWork | then you do the reverse on the head branch |
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| 19:02.11 | learnerAtWork | that captures everything |
| 19:04.09 | learnerAtWork | I have to do complicated remerges like that all the time at work.. and they're much bigger code sets |
| 19:05.27 | prot-work | i just don't want to have a repository filled with useless files or lose anything |
| 19:05.33 | prot-work | this would be so much easier if we didn't have cvs |
| 19:05.49 | prot-work | just move HEAD to v1_8 and rename or copy v1_7 as HEAD |
| 19:07.08 | learnerAtWork | hmmmm... |
| 19:09.35 | learnerAtWork | makes little difference to me -- it would be nice for HEAD to be the latest stable, though |
| 19:10.47 | prot-work | well - we surely need to get it so we're using HEAD |
| 19:11.01 | prot-work | having dead code as HEAD doesn't make sense |
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| 19:11.33 | bzgirl | hi jolly |
| 19:11.41 | jolly | hello :) |
| 19:16.19 | ak|ra | yhi bzgirl |
| 19:16.22 | ak|ra | hi jolly |
| 19:16.30 | jolly | hey akira |
| 19:16.32 | bzgirl | hello ak|ra ;-) |
| 19:45.05 | JBDiGriz | learnerAtWork: Hi, Capn is going to think we're the same person soon! |
| 19:50.52 | learnerAtWork | JBDiGriz: heh, how so? |
| 19:51.31 | JBDiGriz | I was pinging him earlier about the need to move 1.7 to head, and then branch for the new development. |
| 19:51.49 | learnerAtWork | lol, ah |
| 19:51.49 | JBDiGriz | Then I went to lunch, and you start in on a similar note. |
| 19:51.54 | learnerAtWork | heheheheh |
| 19:52.09 | JBDiGriz | And we didn't even plan it, this time! :) |
| 19:52.23 | learnerAtWork | I sense a distaste (or unfamiliarity) with cvs in here.. :) |
| 19:52.52 | JBDiGriz | Hey capn, does that comment look familiar too? :) |
| 19:53.23 | Patlabor221 | even if CVS stucks, it will do branches, that is not a reason in itself to not use them |
| 19:54.07 | Patlabor221 | just means you have to plan it well |
| 19:54.44 | learnerAtWork | I like cvs |
| 19:54.59 | Patlabor221 | there are things better then CVS, and there are thigns worse then CVS |
| 19:55.02 | learnerAtWork | regardless of it's "simplicity" and headaches it can cause.. :) |
| 19:55.13 | Patlabor221 | it does work |
| 19:55.22 | learnerAtWork | indeed |
| 19:55.25 | Patlabor221 | now SF on the other hand, I odn't think it works |
| 19:55.26 | learnerAtWork | when used properly |
| 19:55.43 | JBDiGriz | learnerAtWork: I just updated the WorkInProgress wiki page on bzflag.org. We're looking for everyone to add their input. |
| 19:55.47 | learnerAtWork | that's why we didn't by their enterprise edition here at work.. |
| 19:56.07 | learnerAtWork | ah, ok, jb haven't seen it yet |
| 19:57.18 | JBDiGriz | SF works for the simple things, and it saves us from having to duplicate the effort of setting it up. |
| 19:57.46 | learnerAtWork | ok sssshshhhh... nobody talk about cvs any more |
| 19:57.47 | Patlabor221 | yes, if it would stay up for over a day |
| 19:57.54 | learnerAtWork | cap is back |
| 19:57.56 | prot-work | =) |
| 19:57.59 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 19:58.02 | prot-work | i used to like cvs |
| 19:58.06 | prot-work | but then i used subversion |
| 19:58.36 | learnerAtWork | and you were subverted? |
| 19:59.16 | prot-work | uhhuh |
| 19:59.24 | JBDiGriz | cvs is a hack on top of rcs, it's amazing it's lasted this long, but it does get the job done. I like Clearcase, but it's not simple! |
| 19:59.51 | Patlabor221 | ever since I started using tortoise it has made CVS livable |
| 19:59.51 | prot-work | subversion is simple and not quite so icky |
| 19:59.59 | prot-work | as in, it will do things like version a move |
| 20:00.06 | learnerAtWork | the problem I've had with most of the other systems is their dependancy on a windowing system or (worse) with Windows |
| 20:00.07 | prot-work | or do a binary file without crapping |
| 20:02.00 | Patlabor221 | svn is very CVS like in it's usage and stuff, so it's not tied to anything OS like. It's like CVS but fixed. |
| 20:02.09 | prot-work | hehe |
| 20:02.15 | JBDiGriz | That's an easy list, it depends on rcs. |
| 20:03.20 | JBDiGriz | But rcs is a lot better than sccs. And anything written after 1990 should be better than all 3 of them! |
| 20:04.18 | prot-work | yep |
| 20:05.44 | prot-work | subversion is missing only one cvs feature right now, and thats planned forst post=1.0 :) |
| 20:05.48 | JBDiGriz | By the way SourceSafe was written after 1990, and completely fails that test! |
| 20:06.40 | Patlabor221 | I've actualy set my cvs to use the tools from SS, and it works great |
| 20:07.02 | prot-work | egads |
| 20:07.07 | prot-work | i need one of these remote controls |
| 20:08.09 | learnerAtWork | sourcesafe couldn't handle our codebase, and crashed frequently during our trials.. (in 2001) |
| 20:08.44 | Patlabor221 | we've been using fine for mm8 years now |
| 20:09.36 | Patlabor221 | tho it is lacking in the internet conectivity |
| 20:09.51 | Patlabor221 | so we may be moving a portion to ether svn or cvs |
| 20:10.30 | JBDiGriz | subversion looks interesting, although they might suffer from the preconceived notion problem. |
| 20:10.48 | learnerAtWork | which is? |
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| 20:11.08 | Patlabor221 | they seem to have a function for function replacement for cvs funcs |
| 20:11.18 | Patlabor221 | cept blame |
| 20:11.25 | JBDiGriz | If you ask a bunch of users how to make their jobs easier, they will suggest replacements for functions they already do. |
| 20:11.46 | JBDiGriz | They won't look at the entire job, and search for a completely better concept. |
| 20:11.51 | prot-work | where svn really shines is in its handling of modules/tags/branches |
| 20:12.22 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: well, things like bitkeeper have some completely new ideas |
| 20:12.30 | prot-work | but most people don't need all that |
| 20:12.47 | prot-work | cvs' interface is good, it just has some irritations |
| 20:12.48 | Patlabor221 | what does it do difrent? |
| 20:12.56 | JBDiGriz | It's not necessarily a problem, but it's hard to overcome. |
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| 20:13.42 | larsl_56k | Yay, g2 is released and SF is alive. |
| 20:14.46 | JBDiGriz | I hope they're working with the WebDAV people to make it a lot more robust and secure! |
| 20:16.34 | prot-work | https+htpasswd is generally pretty secure |
| 20:20.09 | JBDiGriz | It's the WebDAV module that was a little shaky for a while. I've heard it's gotten better, and I'm going to try installing it on an internal machine soon. |
| 20:20.47 | larsl_56k | ~webdav |
| 20:21.56 | prot-work | <ibot> webdav is an in-progress protocol for distributed authoring and versioning, implemented as an extension to http |
| 20:22.12 | prot-work | <ibot> see http://www.ietf.org/ for more information |
| 20:22.28 | prot-work | =) |
| 20:22.57 | JBDiGriz | You could also add http://www.webdav.org/ as a useful pointer |
| 20:23.37 | prot-work | ibot webdav is an extension to http for versioning or http://www.webdav.org or http://www.ietf.org/ |
| 20:23.38 | | okay, prot-work |
| 20:23.53 | JBDiGriz | -webdav |
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| 20:24.17 | JBDiGriz | I don't think ibot likes me :< |
| 20:24.24 | prot-work | ~webdav |
| 20:24.24 | | well, webdav is an extension to http for versioning or http://www.webdav.org or http://www.ietf.org/ |
| 20:24.33 | prot-work | ~, not - |
| 20:25.19 | JBDiGriz | I'm missing the difference for some reason |
| 20:25.28 | prot-work | tilde verse - |
| 20:25.50 | stibnite | I'm missing the part of my brain that would normally filter out stupid, irrelevant comments like this one. |
| 20:26.10 | JBDiGriz | I'm changing the fonts X-Chat uses, That tilde is absolutely corrupt! |
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| 20:30.06 | larsl_56k | Ugh, looks like Sweden is getting a DMCA soon. =( |
| 20:30.26 | prot-work | :( |
| 20:30.40 | prot-work | because hardware hackers are terrorists |
| 20:30.57 | larsl_56k | And software hackers too, appearently. |
| 20:31.07 | prot-work | well we already knew that |
| 20:31.54 | prot-work | everyone please add thoughts to http://bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress |
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| 20:32.57 | larsl_56k | SDL sounds nice. |
| 20:33.02 | larsl_56k | How much work would that be? |
| 20:33.07 | JBDiGriz | Ah, New York has a tilde that looks like a tilde! |
| 20:33.11 | prot-work | a good bit |
| 20:33.21 | prot-work | i had it working at one point |
| 20:33.30 | prot-work | vogon_jeltz had one working at one point |
| 20:33.33 | prot-work | (remember him?) |
| 20:33.44 | larsl_56k | I haven't been around that long. =) |
| 20:33.49 | prot-work | heh |
| 20:33.52 | JBDiGriz | mmu_man had better add his name to that one, along with an estimate of when it will be done! |
| 20:34.12 | mmu_man | JBDiGriz it IS done |
| 20:34.18 | mmu_man | I posted a patch on SF :P |
| 20:34.21 | prot-work | mmu_man: does it still crash on server join? :) |
| 20:34.47 | mmu_man | prot-work yes, but as long as this patch isn't in cvs it's not easy to work further |
| 20:35.00 | JBDiGriz | mmu_man: Cool! I'll start a section on the next spec which will include things where we actually have someone committed to providing the patch. |
| 20:35.01 | mmu_man | it sometimes connect when I specify the server on the cmdline |
| 20:35.09 | mmu_man | looks like a race condition or something |
| 20:35.24 | mmu_man | most of the time it tells "error when downloading world database" |
| 20:35.28 | prot-work | mmu_man: as soon as we get the current code moved to HEAD i'll merge it :P |
| 20:35.39 | mmu_man | k |
| 20:35.51 | mmu_man | oh, HEAD=1.7g2 :))) |
| 20:36.32 | mmu_man | will be easier for the next soul who want to port it to Amiga or Next or whichever... not checking out the wrong one =) |
| 20:37.00 | prot-work | haha, bz on next |
| 20:37.55 | JBDiGriz | I don't think the graphics would handle it on the NeXT |
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| 20:40.48 | larsl_56k | Will next release be 1.9a0 or 1.9.0? I remember someone talking about switching to numbers only. |
| 20:43.22 | mmu_man | platform (SDL?) |
| 20:43.25 | mmu_man | WTF ??? |
| 20:43.32 | Patlabor221 | SDL rocks |
| 20:43.38 | mmu_man | the current platform stuff fits me very well :P |
| 20:43.54 | mmu_man | Patlabor221 yeah, but SDL+OGL will be a pain here... |
| 20:44.00 | mmu_man | SDL alone works very well in BeOS |
| 20:44.08 | mmu_man | but it doesn't have ogl support yet |
| 20:44.19 | mmu_man | guess I'll have to do it myself :^) |
| 20:44.25 | mmu_man | will be useful elsewhere anyway |
| 20:44.54 | Tupone | I heard about OpenAL! Someone knows if it's usable for bz |
| 20:44.59 | Patlabor221 | well then you coudl do it the old way |
| 20:45.14 | Patlabor221 | if it was made a platform, then it would be optional |
| 20:45.26 | Tupone | ~openAL |
| 20:45.41 | Patlabor221 | and the BeOS SDL imp dosn't have GL bindings? WTF is up whit that? |
| 20:45.42 | JBDiGriz | Now that's a tilde! |
| 20:45.49 | Patlabor221 | openAL is cool |
| 20:45.57 | prot-work | mmu_man: we'd probably redo the platform wrapping some so that we had SDL as the main one but obscure platforms could still implement the backend |
| 20:46.17 | prot-work | the current platform abstraction does some things that it doesn't need to |
| 20:46.26 | mmu_man | prot-work ok |
| 20:46.26 | prot-work | like wrapping display, visual & window all separately |
| 20:46.42 | mmu_man | prot-work wel it fits very well in BeOS... |
| 20:46.48 | Patlabor221 | and sound, and input, and net would be best |
| 20:46.57 | mmu_man | except the visual stuff Istill don't understand fully |
| 20:47.00 | Patlabor221 | since windows uses a difrent net platform echincqly |
| 20:47.04 | prot-work | mmu_man: yeah, but that doesn't need to be exposed to the rest of everything |
| 20:47.11 | mmu_man | yeah, windoze uses winsuck |
| 20:47.15 | mmu_man | er, winsock :) |
| 20:47.20 | prot-work | mmu_man: all thats really necessary is a 'display' surface with the same properties |
| 20:47.25 | Patlabor221 | winsuck2!!! |
| 20:47.26 | mmu_man | right |
| 20:47.30 | mmu_man | =) |
| 20:47.36 | prot-work | so that systems which group things differently (like SDL) would work just as well |
| 20:47.40 | Patlabor221 | tho I think we can get everyone to use enet |
| 20:47.46 | Patlabor221 | then the world will be happy |
| 20:47.55 | mmu_man | enet ? a library ? |
| 20:47.58 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:48.01 | Patlabor221 | enet rocks |
| 20:48.02 | prot-work | mmu_man: i'm trying to download your beos patch but clapcrest.free.fre is down |
| 20:48.08 | prot-work | http://enet.cubik.org |
| 20:48.23 | mmu_man | the only thing I'd like is a much cleaner separation between gl code and the rest in the control flow |
| 20:48.42 | mmu_man | so I can put a big releaseCurrent() and a makeCurrent() around the gl code for once |
| 20:48.52 | mmu_man | instead of those ugly yieldCurrent() everywhere |
| 20:48.57 | mmu_man | which still don't work |
| 20:49.13 | Patlabor221 | bz realy needs a beginDraw()/endDraw() thing in platfrom |
| 20:49.32 | Patlabor221 | we could LGE it :) |
| 20:49.36 | mmu_man | Patlabor221 yeah go for it ! |
| 20:49.40 | mmu_man | We're Sorry. The SourceForge.net Website is currently down for maintenance. We will be back shortly |
| 20:49.42 | Patlabor221 | I did |
| 20:49.49 | mmu_man | prot-work they aren't the only one :) |
| 20:50.01 | Patlabor221 | we started LGEing it at one point ( well cap did ) |
| 20:50.04 | prot-work | mmu_man: can you dcc the patch to captain_proton ? |
| 20:50.37 | mmu_man | I'm firewalled... |
| 20:50.43 | mmu_man | let's try |
| 20:50.44 | prot-work | hrmph |
| 20:50.49 | prot-work | if you're firewalled it won't work |
| 20:50.51 | prot-work | email? |
| 20:51.21 | mmu_man | ok, let's run httpd |
| 20:51.22 | Patlabor221 | you can upload it to bzbb :) |
| 20:52.13 | mmu_man | http://81.51.253.29:81/bzflag-1_7.beos.pre.7.debug.patch.txt |
| 20:53.04 | prot-work | mmu_man: ok, got it |
| 20:53.33 | larsl_56k | What do you people think about adding doxygen comments to all new functions/classes (and old, if you're editing them) ? Doxygen can create really nice API docs and source browsers. |
| 20:53.54 | mmu_man | larsl_56k we'll be using doxy in OpenBeOS |
| 20:54.02 | mmu_man | seems nice, didn't use it much myself |
| 20:54.21 | prot-work | larsl_56k: might be a good idea |
| 20:54.26 | prot-work | i had created a doxyfile for bz at one point |
| 20:54.59 | larsl_56k | If you use dot you can get a lot of pretty graphs too. =) |
| 20:55.23 | Patlabor221 | awww derv and spif just realised I deleted there posts. |
| 20:55.44 | prot-work | Patlabor221: which posts? :) |
| 20:55.58 | Patlabor221 | they were being stupid in the map help thread I made |
| 20:55.58 | prot-work | larsl_56k: yeah - some of bz is pretty hairy in the dot graphs :) |
| 20:56.16 | Patlabor221 | so I just yonked the 2 posts they put in. |
| 20:56.31 | larsl_56k | It's a nice way to spot stupid circular dependencies. |
| 20:56.38 | Patlabor221 | "I need help with the whatchacallit,etc..." |
| 20:58.03 | prot-work | mmu_man: in include/network.h it looks like you commented out the include of <bsd_mem.h> - is that correct? |
| 20:58.03 | mmu_man | prot-work yes |
| 20:58.03 | prot-work | so that elif should be removed? |
| 20:58.03 | larsl_56k | "Steely eyed banana"? |
| 20:58.10 | mmu_man | because there seemed to be bcopy() or something used |
| 20:58.20 | mmu_man | and in BeOS it's in this one |
| 20:58.31 | mmu_man | but actually it breaks the compilation |
| 20:58.33 | mmu_man | and it's useless |
| 20:58.44 | mmu_man | so I just left it... but I guess you can rip that off |
| 20:58.57 | prot-work | in general we try not to leave commented out code lying around :) |
| 21:00.32 | mmu_man | I often do, sorry :P |
| 21:01.00 | JBDiGriz | TimRiker: You had some merge errors on a checkin recently, didn't you? |
| 21:01.07 | mmu_man | I did lots in the BeOS related files, because I had to test lots of ways to get it working (which I couldn't actually) |
| 21:01.34 | prot-work | mmu_man: well, when its working i expect you to clean up those turds ;-) |
| 21:02.09 | mmu_man | prot-work I expect it too :P |
| 21:02.14 | mmu_man | that it works =) |
| 21:08.52 | Tupone | prot-work: I have fix for the locale directory in the air (remember). Can I put that in or current release is still freezing. |
| 21:10.05 | prot-work | Tupone: don't check anything in until current becomes HEAD |
| 21:10.54 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: Do you mind if I fix a couple problems in the Mac build? Evidently there were some merge errors that were neglected. |
| 21:11.13 | Chestal | tag |
| 21:11.13 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: thats probably ok |
| 21:11.28 | prot-work | tag tag |
| 21:15.48 | mmu_man | plop ? |
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| 21:26.31 | Patlabor221 | whoot |
| 21:28.00 | Tupone | prot-work: I wrote a note about Joystick 'cause Xi is not currently available on XFree86. And I have a patch on the air from ages |
| 21:28.21 | Patlabor221 | any input device should work for any fucntion on any OS :) |
| 21:28.46 | mmu_man | Patlabor221 sweet dreams :) |
| 21:28.58 | Patlabor221 | well one has to have something to look forward too |
| 21:29.23 | Patlabor221 | sdl would get that for us on most platforms |
| 21:29.27 | mmu_man | if at least datasheets were publically available |
| 21:29.35 | mmu_man | I mean it's part of the user manual anyway |
| 21:29.38 | mmu_man | IMO |
| 21:29.45 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:29.49 | mmu_man | digressing... |
| 21:30.06 | Patlabor221 | what is the issue with SDL and gl on BeOS? |
| 21:30.10 | Patlabor221 | why can't it do it? |
| 21:30.24 | mmu_man | Patlabor221 just because the SDL port doesn't have the gl part yet |
| 21:30.35 | Patlabor221 | ahhh, are they workin on it? |
| 21:30.48 | mmu_man | besides as you understood there are thread locking issues with gl... |
| 21:30.59 | Patlabor221 | cus I use sdl for my window management too, I thought everyone supported it. |
| 21:31.10 | mmu_man | I don't think anyone works on it yet |
| 21:31.28 | Patlabor221 | windows and linux work just fine |
| 21:32.28 | prot-work | Tupone: the fact remains that including your patch, there are 3 different ways that the joystick ties in |
| 21:32.33 | Patlabor221 | SDL_SetVideoMode(SDL_OPENGL); |
| 21:32.43 | prot-work | Tupone: indicating that we need to rework the input system to take joysticks into account |
| 21:32.53 | prot-work | as in...create some actual button codes, etc |
| 21:33.03 | Tupone | Xi does not work. USB on Linux is available via my patch too. |
| 21:33.06 | Patlabor221 | a real input manager |
| 21:33.17 | prot-work | Tupone: Xi works on irix... |
| 21:33.35 | Tupone | USB work on irix? |
| 21:33.46 | Patlabor221 | if your not gonna do sdl, I could hook up normal direct input support for windows. |
| 21:33.52 | prot-work | not sure, i don't have access to a new enough SGI box for that |
| 21:34.10 | prot-work | i'd like to see SDL joystick support at least as an option |
| 21:34.22 | prot-work | who wants to hear my idea for an input system? :) |
| 21:34.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah that would be the best case |
| 21:35.02 | Patlabor221 | does it involve pi? |
| 21:35.14 | prot-work | not so much |
| 21:35.15 | Tupone | The best thing to do it waiting for SDL. :'( I use to play with joystick, but any new patch I have to remix all |
| 21:35.53 | Patlabor221 | what is your idea cap? |
| 21:36.11 | prot-work | basically the system would have two output types |
| 21:36.17 | prot-work | pointer and buttons |
| 21:36.26 | prot-work | input devices would provide any combination of those |
| 21:36.42 | prot-work | and filters in between could translate (eg. keyboard translating arrow keys to a pointer) |
| 21:36.47 | Patlabor221 | mix/match axes from difrent devices would be cool |
| 21:36.54 | mmu_man | pointers can either be relative or absolute |
| 21:37.27 | prot-work | mmu_man: but thats up to the device implementation - i think as far as the end result is concerned, it will always be absolute |
| 21:37.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah, it's a BZPointer |
| 21:37.49 | Patlabor221 | abstract the hell outa it |
| 21:38.17 | prot-work | and of course, this would include a core where input devices & filters register callbacks :) |
| 21:38.21 | Patlabor221 | that's similar to what I am doing to do for screaners |
| 21:39.20 | learnerAtWork | there needs to be ONE central file location of the application version.. grumble |
| 21:39.26 | Patlabor221 | each input feature asks for it's "value" and the input mananger lets you map fucntions to ether axes or buttons. |
| 21:39.26 | prot-work | and then bzflag itself can register callbacks for buttons & pointer updates |
| 21:39.58 | prot-work | which would later on allow us to peel off input into a thread :) |
| 21:40.13 | Patlabor221 | for those OSs that need it |
| 21:40.26 | prot-work | well - need or have |
| 21:40.33 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:40.41 | prot-work | i'd like to see a fairly heavily threaded system |
| 21:40.44 | mmu_man | yeah ! threads baby !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:40.47 | prot-work | there's no reason to be blocking everywhere |
| 21:41.00 | mmu_man | btw, bzflag already has something like 8 threads in BeOS :PPP |
| 21:41.01 | Patlabor221 | you can tell direct input to handle the thread itself |
| 21:41.08 | mmu_man | just because it's how it works |
| 21:41.26 | prot-work | mmu_man: well, those threads are created by the libraries, not by bzflag |
| 21:42.00 | larsl_56k | The whole thing is LGPL now? |
| 21:42.07 | prot-work | someone with access to a machine test http://bzflag.net:3000/flag.diff ? |
| 21:42.09 | prot-work | larsl_56k: yeah |
| 21:42.29 | mmu_man | prot-work some are, in the BeOS backend |
| 21:42.58 | prot-work | mmu_man: ah |
| 21:42.59 | mmu_man | as for accessing the GUI I need to create an object of class BApplication, and call the Run() method |
| 21:43.02 | mmu_man | which blocks |
| 21:43.07 | mmu_man | until the app exits |
| 21:43.13 | mmu_man | so I had to run this in a thread |
| 21:43.25 | mmu_man | to let the main thread return to bzflag |
| 21:43.29 | prot-work | mmu_man: it still doesn't have some of the thread distinctions we'd like, such as peeling off network, etc |
| 21:43.44 | mmu_man | yes |
| 21:43.57 | larsl_56k | Those GUI blocks when waiting for sockets are annyoing. |
| 21:44.33 | prot-work | speaking of gui blocks |
| 21:44.39 | prot-work | the server list cache is luberly :) |
| 21:44.42 | Patlabor221 | enet pops off another thread dosnt it? |
| 21:45.02 | prot-work | Patlabor221: dunno |
| 21:45.07 | mmu_man | larsl_56k I DO agree |
| 21:45.13 | mmu_man | that's what makes the BeOS port unstable |
| 21:45.27 | mmu_man | I need to release teh gl context every once in a while |
| 21:45.41 | mmu_man | else it locks up and the system kills it to stay happy |
| 21:45.49 | mmu_man | ok, shower, brb |
| 21:46.10 | Patlabor221 | wow that system IS the fist. |
| 21:46.27 | mmu_man | ? |
| 21:46.40 | Patlabor221 | if you don't release it kills you |
| 21:46.53 | JBDiGriz | All hail the fist! |
| 21:46.57 | mmu_man | Patlabor221 because else it would lockup the whole gui :) |
| 21:46.57 | prot-work | there are a lot of nifty things about be |
| 21:47.00 | Patlabor221 | Obey the fist |
| 21:47.14 | Patlabor221 | is it co-op multi task? |
| 21:47.17 | mmu_man | as the gl stack software renderer uses BDirectWindow... |
| 21:47.28 | mmu_man | which accesses the framebuffer |
| 21:47.42 | mmu_man | so it needs the app_server to tell it when it can draw |
| 21:47.55 | mmu_man | if this blocks, everything does, so there is a 3 second timeout |
| 21:48.08 | Patlabor221 | sounds wierd |
| 21:48.30 | mmu_man | it's just here to protect fb access |
| 21:48.50 | mmu_man | to synchronize drawing threads |
| 21:48.58 | mmu_man | it does work :) |
| 21:49.03 | Patlabor221 | no just the fact that it's not all abstracted thru a driver that can handle release it. |
| 21:49.13 | Patlabor221 | that it's up to app code |
| 21:49.50 | mmu_man | wel there is a callback IIRC |
| 21:49.52 | Patlabor221 | probalby just a difren way tho |
| 21:50.09 | mmu_man | but as it's done insude the app team, not app_server there must be a security |
| 21:50.12 | prot-work | anybody test that flag diff? |
| 21:50.19 | mmu_man | ok, brb |
| 21:51.16 | prot-work | i feel so bad using a semi-ok monitor as a footrest |
| 21:51.27 | Patlabor221 | how big is it? |
| 21:51.33 | prot-work | 17 |
| 21:51.39 | Patlabor221 | well that is small |
| 21:51.44 | prot-work | niceish viewsonic |
| 21:51.54 | prot-work | at least its not one of the 20" ibms |
| 21:52.04 | Patlabor221 | is it a good footrest tho? |
| 21:52.09 | JBDiGriz | Unfortunately it doesn't plug into that ibook. |
| 21:52.19 | prot-work | yeah, its a pretty good footrest |
| 21:52.26 | Patlabor221 | sell ya a17 for cheap, mayhem :) |
| 21:52.27 | Mayhem | *sob* |
| 21:53.29 | JBDiGriz | I think the shipping might cost more than the monitor! |
| 21:53.36 | Patlabor221 | we got a 17 for 102 |
| 21:53.58 | Patlabor221 | 19 for 151 |
| 21:54.33 | JBDiGriz | Don't do it until he quotes shipping! |
| 21:54.41 | prot-work | $586 |
| 21:54.48 | Patlabor221 | no it's not that bad |
| 21:54.53 | Patlabor221 | just don't pick UPS red |
| 21:54.55 | Mayhem | ship to the uk? |
| 21:55.01 | Patlabor221 | maybe |
| 21:55.08 | Patlabor221 | that will be a bit more to the UK tho |
| 21:55.13 | Mayhem | :) |
| 21:55.21 | JBDiGriz | We all knew that! :) |
| 21:55.21 | Patlabor221 | http://www.rgpsales.com/ |
| 21:56.26 | Patlabor221 | I'm showing $17.47 to ship it to me for a 19 |
| 21:56.32 | JBDiGriz | At least you don't have to pay LA, California sales tax! 8.25% !?!?!? :( |
| 21:56.54 | Patlabor221 | I don't ether jbd :) |
| 21:56.59 | Patlabor221 | I get 1% |
| 21:57.06 | Patlabor221 | well 1% off of yours |
| 21:57.16 | Patlabor221 | we are 7.25 |
| 21:57.30 | Patlabor221 | la county sucks to live in |
| 21:57.45 | JBDiGriz | We're at 7.25 down here as well, but I wasn't sure about Ventura rates. |
| 21:58.22 | Patlabor221 | only LA City/county have 8.25 round here |
| 21:58.49 | Patlabor221 | tho it's not that there is any difrnce between city and county |
| 21:59.46 | Patlabor221 | more of a longbeach/la/santamoica/sanfernando/palmdale metroplex |
| 22:00.44 | learnerAtWork | hehe, and I complain about 5%.. :) |
| 22:01.01 | JBDiGriz | We have the USMC defending us from LA |
| 22:01.04 | Patlabor221 | well your state is smaller, you don't leak as much money |
| 22:01.11 | learnerAtWork | lol, true |
| 22:01.25 | Patlabor221 | we have the airforce. |
| 22:02.14 | JBDiGriz | I don't think the airforce has formed a large perimeter between Ventura and LA county. |
| 22:02.31 | JBDiGriz | Although LA is attempting to flank the marines to the east right now! :( |
| 22:02.33 | Patlabor221 | we only have one border with them realy |
| 22:02.49 | Patlabor221 | the simi/westlake border |
| 22:03.02 | JBDiGriz | Westlake is part of LA at this point. |
| 22:03.03 | Patlabor221 | the agoura people are freaking trators |
| 22:03.23 | Patlabor221 | no LA county starts at agoura I thought |
| 22:03.36 | Patlabor221 | well the TO poeple are stuck up |
| 22:03.45 | Patlabor221 | but they got the mall |
| 22:04.03 | JBDiGriz | LA county starts around Calabasas when I lived there. The separation was at the end of the valley. |
| 22:04.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's the end of westlake, start of agoiura |
| 22:04.48 | JBDiGriz | The developoment continues through westlake almost out to Camarillo and Oxnard now! |
| 22:04.51 | Patlabor221 | cus I don't think I pay 8.25 when I shop in WL |
| 22:05.37 | mmu_man | re |
| 22:05.38 | Patlabor221 | TO is NOT LA county I know that for sure |
| 22:06.15 | Patlabor221 | but yes the line does go thru the actual westlake "lake" |
| 22:06.55 | JBDiGriz | The problem is that there's little real separation anymore. It all looks like LA. |
| 22:07.01 | Patlabor221 | yeah true |
| 22:07.21 | Patlabor221 | agura,westlake,TO, and newbury park are one big sprawl |
| 22:07.36 | Patlabor221 | tho I think we have generaly more trees here |
| 22:07.44 | Patlabor221 | we arn't as bad as the valley |
| 22:07.50 | Patlabor221 | yet |
| 22:07.52 | JBDiGriz | They used to be the place to go bicycle riding. |
| 22:08.08 | JBDiGriz | The valley wasn't that bad 30 years ago. |
| 22:08.16 | Patlabor221 | it's horible now |
| 22:08.22 | Patlabor221 | hotern'hell |
| 22:08.28 | Patlabor221 | no trees |
| 22:08.34 | Patlabor221 | all flat |
| 22:08.39 | JBDiGriz | Agreed! I moved south, and I'm not going back! |
| 22:09.01 | Patlabor221 | we have hills and parks at trees at elast |
| 22:09.13 | JBDiGriz | For now! :P |
| 22:09.15 | Patlabor221 | there are like 15 parks in moorpark |
| 22:09.31 | JBDiGriz | Just keep LA out of Ojai! |
| 22:09.35 | Patlabor221 | LA seems to be moving more north now |
| 22:09.51 | Patlabor221 | they re doing a lot in vallencia/palmdale area |
| 22:09.56 | Patlabor221 | lots of pople moving there. |
| 22:10.28 | JBDiGriz | The sprawl seems to have reached palmdale, and it also seems to be complete out beyond Riverside to the east now! |
| 22:10.38 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah |
| 22:10.46 | Patlabor221 | all the way to san bernidino |
| 22:11.17 | Patlabor221 | used to drive out there often |
| 22:11.20 | Patlabor221 | just one big city |
| 22:11.41 | JBDiGriz | There are a couple of nice spots still in LA county, Topanga Canyon seems to have been spared. |
| 22:12.03 | Patlabor221 | somewhat |
| 22:12.11 | Patlabor221 | it's prety developed now |
| 22:12.23 | Patlabor221 | there are houses and stuff right up next to it now |
| 22:12.28 | JBDiGriz | That's a shame, did they destroy Kanan Road as well? |
| 22:12.51 | Patlabor221 | no, it stops before there |
| 22:13.29 | JBDiGriz | That was a nice area to wander around. |
| 22:13.56 | Patlabor221 | there are lots of hills out here to hiking in, all the stuff north of simi is still fine. |
| 22:14.56 | JBDiGriz | It's time for the first annual bz field trip! |
| 22:15.07 | Patlabor221 | tho the dumb bastards in woodranch built houses in the flood basin |
| 22:15.31 | Patlabor221 | and they whine when it fills up with water when it rains |
| 22:15.35 | larsl_56k | =) |
| 22:15.58 | JBDiGriz | I can't talk about that, one of the largest flood basins is Mission Valley which is now filled up with condos! stupid stupid stupid |
| 22:16.07 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:16.42 | mmu_man | use what ? |
| 22:16.51 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: Discreet Logic? |
| 22:17.22 | Patlabor221 | whe should all meet in vegas and get pissed |
| 22:17.38 | prot-work | discreet - the people who make autocad & 3d studio max |
| 22:17.56 | Patlabor221 | a division of autodesk |
| 22:18.01 | Patlabor221 | they are bastards |
| 22:18.05 | JBDiGriz | They have cool software, but they're a pain to work with! |
| 22:18.08 | prot-work | edit* is a neato nonlinear editing system |
| 22:18.11 | prot-work | true |
| 22:18.28 | Patlabor221 | part of our software runs inside of autodesk inventor |
| 22:18.37 | JBDiGriz | Evidently Pat and I have similar experiences |
| 22:18.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:18.56 | Patlabor221 | tho the people at solidworks are more bastards |
| 22:21.17 | Patlabor221 | we keep having to hack there file format |
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| 22:35.55 | larsl_56k | Is 'make package' supposed to work? |
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| 22:36.41 | prot-work | larsl_56k: no |
| 22:37.03 | larsl_56k | Good. |
| 22:38.42 | mmu_man | "good, because it doesn't here" :) |
| 22:38.59 | larsl_56k | Exactly. =) |
| 22:39.19 | mmu_man | package: |
| 22:39.34 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.45 | mmu_man | who wants more ? |
| 22:40.27 | bzgirl | ~d |
| 22:40.56 | larsl_56k | d? |
| 22:41.01 | larsl_56k | ~literal d |
| 22:41.02 | | d is <reply> see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 22:41.16 | mmu_man | ~help |
| 22:41.23 | mmu_man | wow, that works :) |
| 22:42.34 | bzgirl | TimRiker your not on ducati are you? |
| 22:45.02 | prot-work | bzgirl: he plays as "Tim" |
| 22:45.30 | bzgirl | good, i kicked him off ;-) |
| 22:45.46 | prot-work | hehe |
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| 22:52.16 | Patlabor221 | Mayhem, it seesm we will ship to europe, they are gonna add intertional shiping to the site today. |
| 22:57.14 | learnerAtWork | aha, you all like "d" for ducati hehehe |
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| 22:57.46 | Woofles | where can I find the change log? |
| 22:58.35 | Patlabor221 | in the source tarball "ChangeLog" |
| 22:59.06 | Woofles | Can I find it online |
| 22:59.15 | Patlabor221 | not by itsself |
| 22:59.30 | Patlabor221 | well you could browse CVS |
| 22:59.40 | Patlabor221 | it woudl be there |
| 23:00.33 | larsl_56k | That probably should be added to the "Changes" entry for the release on SF. |
| 23:00.50 | Patlabor221 | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/bzflag/bzflag/ChangeLog?rev=HEAD&only_with_tag=v1_7&content-type=text/plain |
| 23:01.29 | larsl_56k | SB is much more fun with the new texture. =) |
| 23:01.37 | prot-work | sheesh |
| 23:01.53 | Woofles | thanks |
| 23:02.01 | prot-work | like...30 DVI-D cables |
| 23:02.07 | prot-work | and 15 VGA cables |
| 23:02.10 | Patlabor221 | that's a lot of cables |
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| 23:02.41 | learnerAtWork | is tim any good playing? |
| 23:02.45 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 23:02.59 | prot-work | learnerAtWork: not so much :) mostly he "plays" when testing things |
| 23:03.04 | prot-work | crs on the other hand is a monster |
| 23:03.24 | Patlabor221 | is Tim better or worse then me? |
| 23:03.29 | CIA | commit by dbw192: Fix the generated frameworks install paths. |
| 23:03.31 | prot-work | Patlabor221: hard to say ;) |
| 23:03.40 | Patlabor221 | ooo that bad? |
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| 23:22.19 | prot-work | ok, i go home now |
| 23:23.22 | mmu_man | night |
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| 23:39.20 | learnerAtWork | lol, pat |
| 23:39.29 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 23:39.43 | Patlabor221 | ohh your loling :) |
| 23:39.53 | Patlabor221 | not 'lo' :) |
| 23:39.59 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 23:40.11 | learnerAtWork | sup, too |
| 23:40.16 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 23:40.32 | creeperz | Yo, dog homie-G |
| 23:40.48 | learnerAtWork | wut up wut up |
| 23:40.54 | creeperz | Umm |
| 23:40.56 | creeperz | Word |
| 23:41.07 | learnerAtWork | sheeet |
| 23:41.09 | Patlabor221 | ~sup |
| 23:41.10 | | I'm coo, howzit? |
| 23:41.16 | learnerAtWork | lol, ibot |
| 23:41.26 | creeperz | ibot: Can you breakdance? |
| 23:41.27 | | creeperz: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:41.36 | Patlabor221 | ooo creeper ibot LIKES you. |
| 23:41.50 | creeperz | :-( |
| 23:41.52 | Noodleman | ibot, botsmack |
| 23:41.53 | | sure, wanna snort some with me? |
| 23:41.59 | creeperz | Heh |
| 23:42.01 | Noodleman | :-( |
| 23:42.03 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 23:42.06 | creeperz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.07 | Patlabor221 | now now, don't go off oh him again. |
| 23:42.18 | creeperz | ~botcrack |
| 23:42.19 | | one too many hits on the botcrack pipe and look at me now! |
| 23:42.42 | learnerAtWork | ibot, you are da bomb! |
| 23:42.43 | | learnerAtWork: I think you lost me on that one |
| 23:42.53 | learnerAtWork | doesn't like me.. |
| 23:42.56 | creeperz | ibot is a little slow |
| 23:42.56 | | creeperz: are you using Windows? |
| 23:43.02 | creeperz | ...no |
| 23:43.15 | learnerAtWork | Hehehehe |
| 23:43.32 | Patlabor221 | but you WANT to use windows, it knows |
| 23:43.56 | creeperz | ibot must really be the most intelligent bot around |
| 23:43.57 | | bugger all, i dunno, creeperz |
| 23:44.14 | creeperz | ibot has now disproved |
| 23:44.15 | | creeperz: i haven't a clue |
| 23:44.27 | Patlabor221 | creeper don't bug it too much |
| 23:45.07 | Noodleman | hey creeperz, y4 w4nn4 kn0w a r33l7 l337 h4ck? |
| 23:45.26 | creeperz | YEA! |
| 23:45.28 | Noodleman | do /msg ibot help 5 times |
| 23:45.39 | creeperz | Why? |
| 23:45.47 | learnerAtWork | do it |
| 23:45.50 | Noodleman | just do it, you'll see |
| 23:46.57 | *** join/#bzflag ibot (ibot@208.186.182.172) |
| 23:46.57 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) || upgrade bzfs servers to CVS || for a giggle, check for crs' name in the credits for Finding Nemo || g2 released |
| 23:46.57 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 23:47.07 | Patlabor221 | now don't mess with her ok? |
| 23:47.22 | Noodleman | so, ibot is a her now, eh? |
| 23:47.37 | Patlabor221 | allways has been to my knowledge |
| 23:47.54 | creeperz | Heh |
| 23:47.54 | creeperz | ~whosyourdaddy |
| 23:48.07 | Patlabor221 | *Sigh* |
| 23:48.12 | Patlabor221 | ~who is your daddy? |
| 23:48.13 | | YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 23:48.13 | creeperz | ~whos your daddy |
| 23:48.16 | Noodleman | maybe it's a hermaphrodite |
| 23:48.23 | Patlabor221 | your sick man |
| 23:48.24 | creeperz | ~whos your daddy |
| 23:48.41 | Patlabor221 | creeper, leave it be, you flooded the bot |
| 23:48.42 | Noodleman | ok, yes i am in a weird mood right now |
| 23:49.04 | creeperz | Haha, ibot! I'm not wearing any! |
| 23:49.39 | Patlabor221 | creeper have your erotic converstions with ibot in a /msg please |
| 23:49.41 | creeperz | Who all here has fallen asleep while playing BZFlag |
| 23:50.24 | creeperz | Heh |
| 23:50.32 | Patlabor221 | I know people who have while playing Eq |
| 23:50.42 | creeperz | Dumbest VW comercial in history |
| 23:50.49 | creeperz | Eq? |
| 23:50.54 | Patlabor221 | EverQuest |
| 23:51.10 | creeperz | Oh |
| 23:53.06 | creeperz | Crap |
| 23:53.15 | creeperz | Phone line shocked me |
| 23:53.20 | creeperz | I had a call |
| 23:57.14 | Patlabor221 | XP is evil |
