irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030509

`00:00.38`	`Patlabor221`	`middle`
`00:00.46`	`bzfrank`	`top`
`00:01.52`	`doughecka`	`bottom`
`00:02.19`	`bzfrank`	`and now for something completely different...`
`00:03.20`	`doughecka`	`(sound of glass breaking)`
`00:05.01`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`00:05.27`	`doughecka`	`is that what that was from?`
`00:05.38`	`doughecka`	`my dad had that as a sound byte on his mac`
`00:06.03`	`bzfrank`	`well, yes of course`
`00:06.12`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`00:06.21`	`bzfrank`	`MP wonderful world of gravity`
`00:06.30`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`00:09.42`	`bzfrank`	`also featured for the songs: 'sit on my face' and 'every sperm thats wastes' - I like Monty Python ;)`
`00:09.53`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`00:12.13`	`doughecka`	`a zaurus`
`00:12.22`	`bzfrank`	`have one already`
`00:12.37`	`rbergero`	`a minidisc`
`00:12.40`	`doughecka`	`oooh`
`00:12.43`	`doughecka`	`lightning`
`00:13.09`	`bzfrank`	`why minidisk?`
`00:13.23`	`rbergero`	`I dunno. You wanted to buy something :P`
`00:13.48`	`bzfrank`	`I got more than enought mp3 players instead, is there one that can play OGG btw?`
`00:14.04`	`rbergero`	`I don't know of one :(`
`00:14.31`	`bzfrank`	`these archos multimedia jukeboxes are nice, but they only play and recond mp3`
`00:16.52`	`bzfrank`	`anyone using the neuros players? http://www.neurosaudio.com/ ?`
`00:17.02`	`bzfrank`	`they claim to go OGG soon`
`00:46.54`	`larsl`	`Looks interesting.`
`00:47.04`	`larsl`	`Too bad such gadgets are so expensive.`
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`00:54.46`	`Noodleman`	`lol`
`00:56.09`	`Noodleman`	`m00moom00moo0m00mm00`
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`01:25.55`	`creeperz`	`pat`
`01:26.08`	`creeperz`	`How do I get disc 2 to install after 1 is already in?`
`01:26.27`	`creeperz`	`It gets through it, then it says it's safe to reboot`
`01:27.56`	`Patlabor221`	`it shoudl ask for it`
`01:28.04`	`creeperz`	`It doesn't`
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`01:28.25`	`Patlabor221`	`then you didn't install anything that was needed on disk 2 or 3`
`01:28.35`	`Patlabor221`	`does it boot linux?`
`01:28.44`	`creeperz`	`No`
`01:28.50`	`creeperz`	`It never got to disc 2 or 3`
`01:28.54`	`Patlabor221`	`so`
`01:28.56`	`creeperz`	`It never asked for them`
`01:29.01`	`michaelh2`	`so user friendly isn't it :)`
`01:29.02`	`Patlabor221`	`then it didn't need them`
`01:29.10`	`creeperz`	`What?`
`01:29.14`	`michaelh2`	`linux?`
`01:29.22`	`michaelh2`	`?`
`01:29.22`	`Patlabor221`	`it only asks for the disks it needs`
`01:29.26`	`michaelh2`	`yeppers`
`01:29.30`	`creeperz`	`Ah`
`01:29.37`	`Patlabor221`	`did you tell it to remove all the partitions on the system?`
`01:29.37`	`creeperz`	`But I only needed one disc?`
`01:29.41`	`Patlabor221`	`when you did teh format`
`01:29.47`	`creeperz`	`It never showed about that, either`
`01:29.49`	`Patlabor221`	`it depends what you tell it to install`
`01:29.59`	`Patlabor221`	`then you never got to the install`
`01:30.03`	`michaelh2`	`heh.. was your entire system erased perhaps? :)`
`01:30.10`	`Patlabor221`	`did it boot you to the linux installer`
`01:30.13`	`michaelh2`	`.... oooooops ....`
`01:30.22`	`Patlabor221`	`or ever say "booting redhat"?`
`01:30.28`	`creeperz`	`No`
`01:30.36`	`Patlabor221`	`then you didn't boot to the CD`
`01:30.55`	`Patlabor221`	`you need to make sure your bios is set to try to boot to the CD`
`01:31.09`	`creeperz`	`How?`
`01:31.13`	`Patlabor221`	`he hasn't even goten lilo installed`
`01:31.18`	`michaelh2`	`took a bit to figure out how to do it :)`
`01:31.26`	`Patlabor221`	`should be a "boot order" option in your bios`
`01:31.30`	`michaelh2`	`yes I suppose you have to install it from linux after all :)`
`01:31.49`	`Patlabor221`	`it will say stuff like "flopy", "C" and "CDROM"`
`01:32.00`	`Patlabor221`	`make sure the CD is first in the boot order list.`
`01:32.15`	`creeperz`	`I don't understand`
`01:32.27`	`Patlabor221`	`do you know what the bios screen is on your computer?`
`01:32.31`	`creeperz`	`No`
`01:32.39`	`Patlabor221`	`you know when you first boot it up`
`01:32.42`	`Patlabor221`	`it shows text`
`01:32.46`	`creeperz`	`Oh`
`01:32.49`	`Patlabor221`	`and does stuff like detects your drives`
`01:33.01`	`Patlabor221`	`and says something like "press F1 for setup"`
`01:33.03`	`creeperz`	`It deosn't show anything like that on mine`
`01:33.05`	`Patlabor221`	`or del or some other key`
`01:33.12`	`Patlabor221`	`ick`
`01:33.15`	`creeperz`	`It just shows a crappy hp logo and boots up`
`01:33.26`	`creeperz`	`Oh`
`01:33.29`	`Patlabor221`	`well hit del or F1 then and it should take you to the bios screen`
`01:33.38`	`creeperz`	`Yes`
`01:33.41`	`creeperz`	`Ok`
`01:33.45`	`Patlabor221`	`there you can set up stuff like the boot order for drives and stuff`
`01:33.46`	`creeperz`	`Then what while I'm there?`
`01:33.52`	`creeperz`	`?`
`01:33.58`	`Patlabor221`	`make sure the CD is before the hard drive`
`01:34.07`	`Patlabor221`	`how ever they set it up`
`01:34.08`	`creeperz`	`?`
`01:34.14`	`michaelh2`	`assuming this isn't an ancient pc :)`
`01:34.16`	`Patlabor221`	`I can't tell you exactly what to do`
`01:34.26`	`michaelh2`	`it's called boot order`
`01:34.26`	`creeperz`	`3 yrs old`
`01:34.26`	`Patlabor221`	`all bios's are difrent`
`01:34.34`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah or start up disk`
`01:34.38`	`Patlabor221`	`it should boot to a CD`
`01:34.39`	`michaelh2`	`probably under Bios Features or something`
`01:34.44`	`Patlabor221`	`probably`
`01:34.57`	`creeperz`	`Ok, I put in the RH disc and reboot`
`01:35.00`	`michaelh2`	`usually it's like A,C,D`
`01:35.14`	`michaelh2`	`or A,C,CDROM`
`01:35.15`	`creeperz`	`While the crap logo comes up, I hit F1 or Del and it will bring up a screen`
`01:35.18`	`Patlabor221`	`you will know if it boots to the CD`
`01:35.21`	`creeperz`	`M:/ for me`
`01:35.26`	`Patlabor221`	`it will look difrent then windows`
`01:35.44`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah it's that screen you want to get to`
`01:35.47`	`Patlabor221`	`it has options`
`01:35.48`	`michaelh2`	`what you want is CDROM,C,A or something like that`
`01:35.51`	`creeperz`	`HAHA! I have an M;/ drive! ;-)`
`01:35.54`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`01:35.57`	`Patlabor221`	`so`
`01:36.01`	`Patlabor221`	`just make it say CD first`
`01:36.08`	`creeperz`	`Nooooo clue`
`01:36.19`	`creeperz`	`Ok, I'll try it now then?`
`01:36.27`	`michaelh2`	`of course the key to get into the bios might be different on a non-frankenstein computer`
`01:36.30`	`Patlabor221`	`you have to do it before you install linux`
`01:36.37`	`creeperz`	`Ok`
`01:36.49`	`creeperz`	`So I should not have in the disc when I restart?`
`01:36.55`	`Patlabor221`	`I seem to recall pavilions haveing a normalish bios`
`01:37.07`	`creeperz`	`Go Pavilion!`
`01:37.09`	`Patlabor221`	`after you make that change there will be an option to "exit and save changes"`
`01:37.11`	`Patlabor221`	`hit it`
`01:37.14`	`Patlabor221`	`and have the CD in there`
`01:37.20`	`Patlabor221`	`then it should boot to the CD`
`01:37.30`	`creeperz`	`Ok, so what do I have to edit again? I didn't understand`
`01:37.44`	`creeperz`	`Just, what do I edit?`
`01:37.49`	`Patlabor221`	`in the bios setup screen there will be something that sets the boot order`
`01:37.55`	`Patlabor221`	`you have to find it`
`01:37.58`	`creeperz`	`Ok, and set it to CD`
`01:38.08`	`Patlabor221`	`and change it so that the CD is before the hard disk`
`01:38.12`	`creeperz`	`Ok`
`01:38.17`	`Patlabor221`	`it will have an order, not just one seting`
`01:38.24`	`creeperz`	`Attempt: 3`
`01:38.26`	`Patlabor221`	`basicly what order it uses to try to boot`
`01:38.38`	`creeperz`	`Ok`
`01:38.44`	`creeperz`	`TTYL`
`01:39.27`	`michaelh2`	`the adventure has only begun :`
`01:39.29`	`michaelh2`	`)`
`01:40.12`	`michaelh2`	`it's more fun though if you do a minimal install and then try to install everything else you need`
`01:40.14`	`Patlabor221`	`linux it's not a job it's an adventure`
`01:40.34`	`Patlabor221`	`or just use the redhat 9 CD and click on the stuff you want and have it just work :)`
`01:41.04`	`michaelh2`	`sure didn't work that way for me.... I had minimal/average/full`
`01:41.09`	`michaelh2`	`to choose from I believe :)`
`01:41.23`	`Patlabor221`	`what distro?`
`01:41.31`	`Patlabor221`	`I chose custom and picked all the things I wanted`
`01:41.31`	`michaelh2`	`suse 6.3`
`01:41.35`	`Patlabor221`	`was great`
`01:41.39`	`michaelh2`	`I don't remember clearly`
`01:41.42`	`Patlabor221`	`well sounds like suse has a funky installer`
`01:42.00`	`michaelh2`	`better than no installer :)`
`01:42.20`	`michaelh2`	`Did you have to pay for the pro version or did you download it?`
`01:42.20`	`Patlabor221`	`well some would argue that`
`01:42.41`	`Patlabor221`	`I just downloaded`
`01:42.43`	`michaelh2`	`they didn't used to have pro versions before ;)`
`01:42.44`	`michaelh2`	`:)`
`01:42.53`	`Patlabor221`	`they have retail versions that come with docs`
`01:42.56`	`michaelh2`	`They want more mooola now`
`01:43.06`	`Patlabor221`	`but you can allways get the ISO images for free`
`01:43.25`	`michaelh2`	`The download option isn't very workable with 56k :)`
`01:43.34`	`Patlabor221`	`the retail packages also come with there extended RHN service plans`
`01:43.48`	`Patlabor221`	`there is FTP install avalalbe too`
`01:43.53`	`Patlabor221`	`just takes forever`
`01:44.19`	`michaelh2`	`oh well I could care less about support.... I mean really ..... just a matter of download time`
`01:44.33`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`01:44.45`	`Patlabor221`	`red hat does have a lot of stuff in it`
`01:44.50`	`Patlabor221`	`so it's rather large`
`01:45.00`	`michaelh2`	`Suse has an FTP install but no ISOs`
`01:45.13`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm sure linuxiso.com has one`
`01:45.46`	`michaelh2`	`Not that I really think SUse is great, but it was what was on the shelf at the time :)`
`01:47.04`	`Patlabor221`	`you need some dslness`
`01:47.46`	`michaelh2`	`http://www.linuxiso.com/ ist auf deutsch`
`01:47.57`	`michaelh2`	`I need a job first :)`
`01:48.27`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe it's linuxisos`
`01:48.27`	`michaelh2`	`Red Hat Linux 7.1 ist die ideale L�sung f�r erfahrene Linuxbenutzer, die weder gedruckte Handb�cher noch technischen Support ben�tigen. Sie enth�lt die komplette Funktionalit�t der Red Hat Linux 7.1 sowie zahlreiche Spiele, das zu einem unglaublich g�nstigen Preis`
`01:48.30`	`Patlabor221`	`don't remember all`
`01:49.07`	`Patlabor221`	`ahh .org`
`01:49.08`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.linuxiso.org/`
`01:49.35`	`Patlabor221`	`there is also http://almostfreelinux.com/shop/default.php?ad=linuxiso.rh9`
`01:50.30`	`Patlabor221`	`or you could just ask for someone to make you some CDs`
`01:51.38`	`michaelh2`	`there stuff on the red hat ftp, but there is no documentation about what it is exactly`
`01:52.04`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh I just registerd for RHN and they have the isos right there.`
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`01:52.44`	`michaelh2`	`heh`
`01:52.55`	`michaelh2`	`how many disks?`
`01:53.04`	`Patlabor221`	`3`
`01:53.41`	`michaelh2`	`it has 6 images though`
`01:54.33`	`michaelh2`	`and 3 document cds?`
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`01:54.55`	`Patlabor221`	`source and docs`
`01:54.59`	`Patlabor221`	`not needed for install`
`01:55.15`	`creeperz`	`scwoo it`
`01:55.20`	`creeperz`	`I do it tomorrow`
`01:57.33`	`Patlabor221`	`heh, I have an enum NE_BadMagic`
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`01:58.09`	`ski`	`hi apache`
`01:58.10`	`creeperz`	`Hi`
`01:58.15`	`Apache`	`SKI: Hey`
`01:58.28`	`ski`	`hi crep`
`01:59.22`	`ski`	`apache, im going to check rosemeyers real quick`
`02:00.13`	`Apache`	`k`
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`02:05.57`	`ski2`	`hi again`
`02:06.13`	`ski2`	`dumb pc`
`02:06.30`	`ski2`	`n e 1 there?`
`02:06.36`	`creeperz`	`hi`
`02:07.12`	`creeperz`	`Taco Hell :-)`
`02:07.40`	`michaelh2`	`is this an employment suggestion?`
`02:08.05`	`creeperz`	`Yea!`
`02:08.19`	`creeperz`	`And I'm going to go work for MicroSoft this summer, too ;-)`
`02:08.34`	`michaelh2`	`yeah right`
`02:08.42`	`ski2`	`Apache: you there?`
`02:08.45`	`Apache`	`yo`
`02:08.48`	`creeperz`	`Haha`
`02:09.00`	`michaelh2`	`that's not funny ...... :)`
`02:09.10`	`ski2`	`hey, im tryin to get somethin together...bzgirl wants to fight...lemme verify`
`02:09.13`	`ski2`	`brb`
`02:09.21`	`michaelh2`	`I might work for Computer Hell .....`
`02:09.27`	`Apache`	`k`
`02:09.42`	`michaelh2`	`or rather CompHell`
`02:09.50`	`creeperz`	`:-)`
`02:10.07`	`michaelh2`	`Would you like the product replacement plan?`
`02:10.13`	`creeperz`	`I'm going to try to fit the word "Hell" into all of my sentences`
`02:11.00`	`michaelh2`	`I will have to gradually work towards Microsoft :)`
`02:11.12`	`creeperz`	`MicroHell?`
`02:11.26`	`michaelh2`	`ah well..`
`02:11.48`	`ski2`	`well, she doesnt have a teammate`
`02:11.57`	`Apache`	`:-(`
`02:12.02`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy I know people who work there`
`02:12.07`	`Apache`	`any one want a 2v2 match?`
`02:12.08`	`Patlabor221`	`it's not that hard to get in`
`02:12.12`	`Patlabor221`	`you just have to start as a temp`
`02:12.15`	`ski2`	`wanna logon to 59999 rosemeyers for now and see who logs on`
`02:12.18`	`ski2`	`?`
`02:12.23`	`Patlabor221`	`they rarely hire people who directly apply`
`02:12.24`	`ski2`	`ill let them know were there`
`02:12.32`	`michaelh2`	`living half way across the country might be an issue :)`
`02:12.53`	`Patlabor221`	`washington is kewl`
`02:12.59`	`michaelh2`	`you live near there?`
`02:13.03`	`ski2`	`any teams for a match ?`
`02:13.22`	`Apache`	`lets go play`
`02:13.23`	`Patlabor221`	`washington is just 2 states up`
`02:13.29`	`Patlabor221`	`we share the same ocean :)`
`02:13.42`	`Patlabor221`	`and I've been to the MS campus`
`02:13.43`	`creeperz`	`Washington is pretty cool`
`02:13.47`	`creeperz`	`I used to live there`
`02:14.19`	`michaelh2`	`yes well.. question is how do I get in with any company with little on the job experience? Internships are even hard to find`
`02:14.40`	`Patlabor221`	`like I say they don't hire directly, you become a temp`
`02:14.49`	`Patlabor221`	`and the temp agency places you`
`02:15.06`	`Patlabor221`	`then once you have some exp, you can ask for postions at MS`
`02:15.14`	`Patlabor221`	`then they try you for a year`
`02:15.30`	`Patlabor221`	`and if they keep you, they cut out your soul and your a real emploie.`
`02:15.42`	`michaelh2`	`hmmm.. even some contract places don't want to speak to anyone <= 1 year of experience`
`02:15.57`	`Patlabor221`	`some yeah`
`02:18.34`	`creeperz`	`Your momma has more crack than Harlem!`
`02:21.43`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe, but she rich :)`
`02:23.58`	`creeperz`	`heh`
`02:28.20`	`ski2`	`anyone want to match?`
`02:28.28`	`creeperz`	`Nah`
`02:28.38`	`ski2`	`apache and i are on rosemeyers 59999 if interested`
`02:31.24`	`michaelh2`	`wouldn't 8080 be more appropriate?`
`02:33.09`	`Patlabor221`	`well down to 30 errors, time to get home`
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`03:53.23`	`creeperz`	`HelloZ`
`04:22.35`	`*** topic/#bzflag by creeperz -> Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 \|\| http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag \|\| http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (it's back so SHADAP) \|\| http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) \|\| <Patlabor221> wh00t, apernaly beer + fritos trigers epifanys \|\| (creeperz) The way to a man's heart is straight through the ch`
`04:22.55`	`*** topic/#bzflag by creeperz -> Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 \|\| http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag \|\| http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (it's back so SHADAP) \|\| http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) \|\| <Patlabor221> wh00t, apernaly beer + fritos trigers epifanys \|\| The way to a man's heart is straight through the chest`
`04:23.04`	`creeperz`	`:-)`
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`04:25.08`	`creeperz`	`Hi`
`04:27.08`	`CobraA1`	`Hello`
`04:27.11`	`creeperz`	`The weirdest things are happening to my family`
`04:27.22`	`CobraA1`	`. . . . . ?`
`04:27.25`	`creeperz`	`First, I over draw a litle from my account`
`04:27.34`	`CobraA1`	`ouch`
`04:27.36`	`creeperz`	`I get nicked 3 times with overdraft fes`
`04:27.40`	`creeperz`	`fees*`
`04:27.47`	`creeperz`	`puting me in -120`
`04:27.59`	`CobraA1`	`Got a job?`
`04:28.15`	`creeperz`	`I borrow about 200 from my dad's account, which now has 300 after the withdrawl`
`04:28.32`	`creeperz`	`There was a check in there for 233 and it bounced`
`04:28.46`	`creeperz`	`And the account only had 200 in it when it bounced`
`04:28.55`	`creeperz`	`Little less than 200`
`04:29.19`	`creeperz`	`I have a partial job`
`04:29.24`	`creeperz`	`I work for my dad`
`04:29.30`	`creeperz`	`I just help out`
`04:29.43`	`creeperz`	`Although he owes me a sum of money`
`04:29.48`	`CobraA1`	`Care to answer a stupid question?`
`04:29.54`	`creeperz`	`Sure`
`04:30.07`	`CobraA1`	`I've heard "gg" before - what does it mean?`
`04:30.13`	`creeperz`	`Good game`
`04:30.21`	`CobraA1`	`k. Thanks.`
`04:30.27`	`creeperz`	`I'm writing a manual on webtalk`
`04:30.45`	`CobraA1`	`I hope you sort your money stuff out.`
`04:30.50`	`creeperz`	`All about different slang sayings and what-not`
`04:30.55`	`creeperz`	`Me too`
`04:31.21`	`creeperz`	`:-/ My dad is pissed and my mom sounds like she's ready to shoot the guy who wrote the bad check`
`04:31.44`	`creeperz`	`Then they all look at me like I'm the root problem!`
`04:32.20`	`creeperz`	`Parents are so weird some times`
`04:32.23`	`CobraA1`	`I bounced a check once, but it was because the college took several months to do anything with it - by then, I had moved my account :/.`
`04:32.33`	`creeperz`	`Ohh`
`04:32.45`	`creeperz`	`I have only had 1 purchase fail`
`04:32.52`	`CobraA1`	`Bouncing a check can be expensive, but the college let it slide since they were partially to blame.`
`04:32.56`	`creeperz`	`I had 20 in, I thought I still had around 50`
`04:33.05`	`creeperz`	`That's good`
`04:33.17`	`Patlabor221`	`this is why they have online ballance checking`
`04:33.31`	`creeperz`	`Patlabor221: Isn't it so great?`
`04:33.48`	`creeperz`	`banking.wellsfargo.com`
`04:33.50`	`creeperz`	`:-)`
`04:33.52`	`Patlabor221`	`checks are an outdated monitary idea`
`04:34.03`	`creeperz`	`Go plastic!`
`04:34.12`	`Patlabor221`	`who needs the plastic`
`04:34.17`	`Patlabor221`	`implant`
`04:34.20`	`creeperz`	`Ah`
`04:34.22`	`CobraA1`	`I have - I use a check card.`
`04:34.26`	`creeperz`	`Britney Spears?`
`04:34.33`	`creeperz`	`I have a check card`
`04:34.46`	`Patlabor221`	`not evertying is about the dirty things you think about creeper`
`04:34.51`	`creeperz`	`Only bill pay is about the best approach`
`04:34.57`	`Patlabor221`	`and she's on an herbal boob supliment thing.`
`04:34.59`	`CobraA1`	`Implant? I don't like people messing with my body. Make it a ring or something.`
`04:35.02`	`creeperz`	`:-)`
`04:35.08`	`creeperz`	`LOL!`
`04:35.24`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh it'll be an intelegent pathogen, you'll never know`
`04:35.45`	`creeperz`	`Maybe Russian Roulette isn't TOO bad`
`04:35.55`	`creeperz`	`With a full chamber and you go first`
`04:36.11`	`creeperz`	`I know!`
`04:36.29`	`creeperz`	`Let's play Russian Roulette with a pump action!`
`04:37.11`	`creeperz`	`Weel`
`04:37.19`	`Patlabor221`	`ok munchy`
`04:37.20`	`creeperz`	`Well, I need to get to sleep`
`04:37.32`	`creeperz`	`No idea why`
`04:37.49`	`creeperz`	`The little people on my shoulder keep arguing over everything I want to do`
`04:37.59`	`creeperz`	`NO! Don't do what he says! He's evil!`
`04:38.07`	`creeperz`	`Well maybe I like his idea better!`
`04:38.39`	`creeperz`	`Well, my coinscience is a terrible thing...main;y because it always communicates with me`
`04:38.43`	`creeperz`	`OH YEA!`
`04:38.47`	`creeperz`	`All the time`
`04:38.48`	`creeperz`	`See yu`
`04:39.03`	`Patlabor221`	`damn`
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`05:04.14`	`Patlabor221`	`cap do you know if there is a SDL way to call like "sleep" ?`
`05:06.04`	`Patlabor221`	`nr. test server is not playing nice with the other children`
`05:15.45`	`captain_proton`	`maybe`
`05:15.47`	`captain_proton`	`check the docs`
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`12:45.18`	`rooter`	`when you are playing bz on the same subnet as the server`
`12:45.35`	`rooter`	`does anything odd happen?`
`12:46.20`	`rooter`	`btw: I have a ducati clone setup until this lag problem goes away...`
`12:46.24`	`rooter`	`webguy.westga.edu`
`12:47.38`	`rooter`	`I was just playing on my server and messages from other people weren't showing up`
`12:48.15`	`rooter`	`but they did show up on the server console`
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`18:15.31`	`Chestal`	`hoi`
`18:16.08`	`[dmp]`	`Hi`
`18:18.32`	`Chestal`	`dmp: my cleanup scripts behave a little erratic now and then, not sure why`
`18:19.04`	`Chestal`	`fixed itself by just restarting it more or less`
`18:19.19`	`[dmp]`	`You get sql errors?`
`18:19.29`	`Chestal`	`no, but the results are a little wrong`
`18:19.46`	`Chestal`	`it did not put TDS and Judgementday on the list of active teams`
`18:20.04`	`Chestal`	`and at least one player (Cotton) who belongs to the scurvy dogz was put onto the to-delete list`
`18:20.49`	`[dmp]`	`oh, its stille the same url as before?`
`18:20.54`	`Chestal`	`yep`
`18:21.05`	`Chestal`	`it onyl does the calculations once a day`
`18:21.44`	`Chestal`	`dmp: btw. the changes I amde: I added an 'active' column to l_team and used that in two places`
`18:21.55`	`[dmp]`	`ok, i need to try to remember how to log in :) .. Cant get the raid working anyway :-\`
`18:22.19`	`Chestal`	`1) the form to enter results only presents active teams`
`18:22.32`	`Chestal`	`2) the team list now differentiates between active teams, inactive teams and teams tha tnever played`
`18:22.53`	`Chestal`	`oh, meaning you cannot access your database copy and rewritten code?`
`18:24.00`	`[dmp]`	`I can. Actually I got the databasedump on the sf-account.`
`18:24.27`	`[dmp]`	`I got two 40gbs harddisk, i wanted to mirror them, but it dosnt really work.`
`18:25.26`	`Chestal`	`ah, I never tried that. Software raid?`
`18:25.37`	`[dmp]`	`cleanup.php is invoked by crond?`
`18:25.40`	`[dmp]`	`no, hardware.`
`18:25.47`	`[dmp]`	`Promise FastTrack ..`
`18:26.23`	`Chestal`	`no, but it create 3 t_* tables (with type heap) and when it is called, it checks the creation time of one of these tables. If the age is > 1 day, then it rebuilds the tables`
`18:26.50`	`[dmp]`	`i can use the ide channels and use them as two disks, so linux talks with it. everything seems to work, but the /dev/ataraid/d0* isnt created. dunno why.`
`18:26.51`	`[dmp]`	`ah`
`18:27.00`	`[dmp]`	`so its executed manually? (from outside) ?`
`18:27.18`	`Chestal`	`yes, only when someone visits that URL`
`18:27.50`	`Chestal`	`it's only meant to display who woudl get deleted`
`18:27.59`	`Chestal`	`but now it also calculates the active row for teams`
`18:28.15`	`Chestal`	`if we stick with that active row, we'd have to do it with cron or something`
`18:28.30`	`Chestal`	`eh, column`
`18:28.39`	`rooter`	`is the code for the league site in the bzflag CVS?`
`18:28.47`	`Chestal`	`no`
`18:29.38`	`rooter`	`oh... i don't code C++ OpenGL much but I do a lot of web based / Database apps`
`18:29.46`	`[dmp]`	`ok, so until now nothing have been deleted, right?`
`18:29.57`	`Chestal`	`correct`
`18:30.13`	`rooter`	`...if there is anything I can contribute to the site let me know and I would be glad to.`
`18:30.15`	`[dmp]`	`Chestal: so why did you need my databasedump?`
`18:30.24`	`Chestal`	`only some entries in l_fight because penguins and some other team I forgot about right now are no more`
`18:30.33`	`Chestal`	`to restore those lost match results`
`18:30.40`	`[dmp]`	`ah.`
`18:30.50`	`Chestal`	`we planned to change this in the new code when a team gets deleted`
`18:31.22`	`Chestal`	`I thought it would be nice to restore as much as we can, although it's not that important`
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`18:32.27`	`[dmp]`	`Chestal: you should be able to get it from here: ~dennismp/mysql.sql.gz`
`18:33.21`	`[dmp]`	`oh well, dont wanna mess with raid anymore. that wouldnt help anyway`
`18:34.10`	`Chestal`	`we'd have to agree how to handle deleted teams first, i.e. mark them as deleted with a new column or whatever`
`18:34.52`	`Chestal`	`then we coudl restore those two teams alogn with their results, then make another dump, then do the big cleanup`
`18:35.16`	`Chestal`	`I'm using a 3 month period now to decide whether a team/player is active, I think that#s pretty conservative`
`18:36.48`	`[dmp]`	`Personally i use 6 months on my own website. Never had any complaints. But I guess 3 months is plenty.`
`18:37.00`	`Chestal`	`woudl erase about 50%`
`18:37.22`	`Chestal`	`maybe the threshold to decide whether a team is active (as in playing matches) should be different, i.e. smaller`
`18:37.44`	`Chestal`	`but that can be adjusted later easily`
`18:39.25`	`[dmp]`	`hmm.. Perhaps we should make a testing site, where we can test and recreate data without risking anything. We need to take care about the small changes we make.`
`18:41.23`	`[dmp]`	`does sf provide any form for backup?`
`18:44.27`	`Chestal`	`the user accounts are backuped AFAIK, but will only be restored when SF itself has a problem, not when a user foolishly messes up`
`18:44.39`	`Chestal`	`not sure about the mysql database`
`18:44.57`	`[dmp]`	`guess its the same deal.`
`18:45.20`	`[dmp]`	`how much code have you changed?`
`18:45.30`	`[dmp]`	`in the index.php`
`18:45.32`	`Chestal`	`very little`
`18:45.55`	`[dmp]`	`just the dropdown when entering the result, and the teamlist ?`
`18:45.59`	`Chestal`	`yes`
`18:47.39`	`Chestal`	`ah, actually I also changed the assignments of the team badges, but that's not iportant`
`18:47.48`	`Chestal`	`index.php.bak contains the version prior to my changes`
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`18:49.45`	`Chestal`	`hmm, I have to recreate my /-filesystem at home`
`18:50.21`	`[dmp]`	`perhaps i should make a package with the code i've already done and mail to you, so you can view my changes and perhaps comment it.`
`18:51.13`	`Chestal`	`hmm, I'm not familiar with the old code anyway. You mainly restructured it? Or are there any major changes in functionality?`
`18:51.49`	`[dmp]`	`maily restructuring.`
`18:52.04`	`Chestal`	`you had a live version of your code online before IIRC?`
`18:52.13`	`[dmp]`	`yes`
`18:52.17`	`[dmp]`	`league.baat.dk`
`18:52.38`	`Chestal`	`ah, with the new/unfinished design`
`18:52.40`	`[dmp]`	`design is gonna change`
`18:52.42`	`[dmp]`	`yeah`
`18:52.46`	`Chestal`	`and some test code :-)`
`18:52.50`	`[dmp]`	`hehe`
`18:53.40`	`Chestal`	`hmm, what are these news/passwd/player tables (without l_)?`
`18:54.12`	`[dmp]`	`i think its the wiki system which controls the bzflag.org page.`
`18:54.49`	`Chestal`	`ah, sounds plausible`
`18:56.38`	`Chestal`	`one small functionality I'd like: list all matches a team has played`
`18:56.49`	`[dmp]`	`yeah, me too.`
`18:57.39`	`Chestal`	`you already added a 'deleted' column?`
`18:57.47`	`[dmp]`	`my todo says somethiing about security :)`
`18:57.56`	`[dmp]`	`i guess thats my priority :)`
`18:58.25`	`[dmp]`	`i changed the status field of team to include a deleted state.`
`18:58.40`	`Chestal`	`ah, ok`
`19:00.52`	`Chestal`	`what do you think is the best way to proceed?`
`19:01.14`	`Chestal`	`postpone the cleanup until your new code is used in the live system?`
`19:02.31`	`Chestal`	`I think I actually like your new design, with only some minor complaints`
`19:03.37`	`[dmp]`	`Not sure. As you might remember Ive started on university and got alot of work the next two months.. after that i got some free time (well kinda) i can use. So if we/you want to postpone i'm not sure when i can get the time to work on it. (this weekend is gonna be with a sexy math-book :-\ )`
`19:04.20`	`Chestal`	`well, we can do the cleanup first of course`
`19:04.20`	`[dmp]`	`my complains about my design: menu-font is messy. its really to bownish. BZF should be with capital letters.`
`19:04.45`	`Chestal`	`only problem might be to restore those match results, because it does only make sense when we also restore the deleted teams and mark them as deleted`
`19:04.59`	`Chestal`	`this would require to make changes to the code to honor the deleted state, though`
`19:05.12`	`Chestal`	`I like brown :-)`
`19:05.23`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`19:06.05`	`[dmp]`	`another possibity could be that we dont delete those teams for now.`
`19:06.34`	`Chestal`	`I think it's only meq and guglmty`
`19:06.59`	`Chestal`	`but two teams have been dissolved some days/weeks ago`
`19:07.06`	`Chestal`	`I thought of restoring the information for those`
`19:07.23`	`Chestal`	`of course, other teams which played matches have been deleted before and the information of those is gone for good`
`19:08.33`	`Chestal`	`the teams which have been removed lately are pengins and bz:evolved (the latter played 18 matches)`
`19:10.44`	`[dmp]`	`if we cleanup the database, then we could skip cleaning the l_fight table. And afterwards compare it with l_team to see which teams are missing and then restore these teams manually from the dump we make before cleaning. if its only a few teams i think it would be easier`
`19:11.06`	`[dmp]`	`but the same problem is for players too.. What shall happen with forum-posts of deleted users?`
`19:11.29`	`Chestal`	`hmm, goo question, what happens' to them right now?`
`19:11.37`	`[dmp]`	`we could make a dummy-user as move the post to that dummy-user. (as deleted-user)`
`19:11.40`	`[dmp]`	`hmm`
`19:11.46`	`Chestal`	`I think they are not deleted and displayed as 'unknown' or something?`
`19:11.48`	`[dmp]`	`is players deleted at all?`
`19:12.24`	`Chestal`	`hmm`
`19:12.44`	`Chestal`	`now that you mention it I wouldn't know where you can erase yourself`
`19:13.30`	`Chestal`	`we could chaneg the references to a special suer as you suggest`
`19:13.41`	`[dmp]`	`no, users arent deleted.`
`19:13.54`	`Chestal`	`when we add the 1-1 league, though, we'd also have match results for players as we do with teams now`
`19:14.04`	`[dmp]`	`We could do the same with teams as well. that would make the database cleaner.`
`19:14.45`	`Chestal`	`but what do we do about the match results? for the cumulative stats it would be ok`
`19:15.03`	`Chestal`	`but what to display in the list? Moles - <deleted team> ?`
`19:15.14`	`[dmp]`	`Something like that.. hmm`
`19:15.22`	`Chestal`	`thinking about it, that might be ok`
`19:15.32`	`Chestal`	`maybe it's better than to keep deleted teams`
`19:15.36`	`Chestal`	`or players`
`19:15.36`	`[dmp]`	`could be written in bold/italic or soemthing.`
`19:16.04`	`Chestal`	`I was wondering what we'd do if player 'knicky' gets deleted and a new player wants to register with that same name thereafter`
`19:17.45`	`Chestal`	`guess it's probably best to use that special team/player`
`19:17.51`	`[dmp]`	`well, you could block the username for eg. 2 months before releasing it for new registration.`
`19:18.01`	`[dmp]`	`would make the database simpler.`
`19:18.02`	`Chestal`	`information who you played against gets lost, but that#s all`
`19:18.38`	`[dmp]`	`To be hornest i dont really care much about my teams history. Only the result of the active teams.`
`19:18.49`	`[dmp]`	`so no harm is done from my point of view.`
`19:19.22`	`Chestal`	`peopel have mainyl been complaining that they lose numbers in display of total victories/losses, that would no longer be a problem`
`19:19.39`	`[dmp]`	`teams are deleted when no players is active anymore, right?`
`19:19.55`	`Chestal`	`yes, when none of its players has logged in for > 3 months`
`19:20.00`	`[dmp]`	`ah okey.`
`19:20.17`	`[dmp]`	`i guess we need to make some kind of way to transfer the leadership to another player (from the page)`
`19:20.18`	`Chestal`	`then the team and all its players get removed`
`19:20.38`	`Chestal`	`hmm, probably`
`19:21.15`	`Chestal`	`maybe on the edit tewam page?`
`19:21.39`	`Chestal`	`hmm, what exactly is the team passowrd for?`
`19:21.49`	`[dmp]`	`for non-leaders to change team-stuff.`
`19:22.17`	`Chestal`	`ah, I got admin status so I can edit everythign anyway`
`19:22.22`	`[dmp]`	`if you are a leader (or admin) you dont need it, but as a normal player you need to..`
`19:22.26`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`19:22.59`	`Chestal`	`maybe simply add a dropdown box to the edit team page which shows all memebrs of the team and allows you to change who is leader (only if you're the current leader or an admin)`
`19:23.51`	`[dmp]`	`yeah, that would work nicely.`
`19:24.01`	`[dmp]`	`ok, i need to write down what i need to look into.`
`19:25.59`	`Chestal`	`too bad that we cannot send email from sf`
`19:26.19`	`Chestal`	`when somebody forgets his password right now, he has to contact an admin to reset it`
`19:26.40`	`Chestal`	`but if it is someone I don't know, it's difficult to know whether it's really him`
`19:27.57`	`doughecka`	`why not have a secret question that he can set`
`19:28.03`	`doughecka`	`if he answers it ok`
`19:28.16`	`doughecka`	`then you give him a pass`
`19:28.18`	`[dmp]`	`well.. i guess a workaround could be made, but it would be very ugly.`
`19:28.46`	`Chestal`	`I find that secret question stuff kinda silly`
`19:28.51`	`doughecka`	`ouch`
`19:30.21`	`Chestal`	`dmp: only _very_ ugly workarounds come to my mind :-)`
`19:30.27`	`[dmp]`	`yeah`
`19:30.29`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`19:30.42`	`[dmp]`	`proberly only a source for more problems :)`
`19:30.57`	`[dmp]`	`except if we move the league to another server..`
`19:31.56`	`larsl`	`Do we really need the 'Pause' function in BZFlag? It's abused a lot, and if you really need to take a break you could just selfdestruct.`
`19:32.18`	`doughecka`	`not if ur camping with a GM`
`19:32.28`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`19:32.44`	`larsl`	`Well, should you really be able to sit on a valuable flag so no one else can get it, even if you're not playing?`
`19:32.55`	`doughecka`	`they think so`
`19:32.57`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`19:33.33`	`doughecka`	`he would have like 5 clients running`
`19:33.41`	`doughecka`	`then he would pause all of them`
`19:33.43`	`[dmp]`	`chestal: did I forget anything important? http://league.baat.dk/todo.txt`
`19:33.43`	`doughecka`	`and wait`
`19:34.15`	`larsl`	`That's a great reason for not having 'Pause'. =)`
`19:34.20`	`doughecka`	`yup`
`19:34.21`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`19:34.39`	`[dmp]`	`what about admins, dont they use pause when admining when they play?`
`19:34.50`	`doughecka`	`no, they use @`
`19:34.58`	`doughecka`	`or die`
`19:35.01`	`larsl`	`Admins should of course have special powers.`
`19:35.03`	`doughecka`	`I never see a paused admin`
`19:35.07`	`doughecka`	`larsl: yea`
`19:35.10`	`doughecka`	`let admins pause`
`19:35.12`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`19:35.43`	`[dmp]`	`admins die? i die alot? i admin alot? .. cool :-)`
`19:35.45`	`Chestal`	`dmp: what does 'use templates' mean?`
`19:35.57`	`doughecka`	`larsl: yes yes, patches welcome`
`19:36.00`	`larsl`	`=)`
`19:36.26`	`[dmp]`	`Chestal: i want to split code and html into two different files. html-files is the templates.`
`19:36.28`	`Chestal`	`dmp: - fix the design (or use the old one for now)`
`19:36.30`	`larsl`	`Or maybe an 'invisible' mode, where the admin could login and be an observer without anyone else noticing it.`
`19:36.50`	`doughecka`	`yea, but a http port would be cool`
`19:37.56`	`Chestal`	`dmp: do you want to adapt the active column?`
`19:41.03`	`[dmp]`	`can it be used for something? if all inactive teams are to be deleted.`
`19:41.16`	`Chestal`	`ah, well`
`19:41.22`	`Chestal`	`there's 'active' and 'active' :-)`
`19:41.27`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`19:41.32`	`larsl`	`And 'active'.`
`19:41.47`	`Chestal`	`teams for which no player logged in for 3 months will be deleted`
`19:42.09`	`Chestal`	`the 'active' column represents whetehr a team played any matches durign the last 3 months`
`19:42.34`	`Chestal`	`it mgiht be good to use a shorter time period for the latter`
`19:43.02`	`Chestal`	`my main motivation was to exclude those teams from the main team ranking list`
`19:43.16`	`Chestal`	`as long as there are no better ideas how to handle inactive teams`
`19:44.04`	`Chestal`	`it's also used for the form where you enter new match result, only for convinience, because it's most probably that a match will be between teams which have played recently already`
`19:44.11`	`[dmp]`	`I think its okey to show if a team is active or not.`
`19:44.42`	`Chestal`	`uh, have to leave for the cinema in a few minutes`
`19:46.52`	`[dmp]`	`added the team-active stuff to the todo.. i guess this needs to be handled by a cronjob`
`19:48.13`	`Chestal`	`would make sense`
`19:48.38`	`Chestal`	`how do we enter the result for a team which never played (or didn#t play for a long time) and is thus inactive?`
`19:48.48`	`Chestal`	`make a link to a seocnd form which lists all teams?`
`19:49.00`	`Chestal`	`righ tnow I've been settign the active flag manually in that case :-)`
`19:49.37`	`[dmp]`	`somethign like that.. or have a enter teamname (manually with wildcard support) , and then getting the result where you can check which teams have played and the result..`
`19:50.03`	`[dmp]`	`perhaps having a "active teams only"-checkbox to limit the search`
`19:50.30`	`Chestal`	`hmm, whaterver works best`
`19:50.40`	`Chestal`	`ok, have to leave`
`19:50.49`	`[dmp]`	`see ya.`
`19:50.55`	`Chestal`	`cu, and fun with your math book :-)`
`19:50.59`	`[dmp]`	`and have a good weekend.`
`19:51.10`	`[dmp]`	`hmm`
`19:51.12`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`19:51.16`	`[dmp]`	`"thanks"`
`20:40.42`	`*** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@12-235-236-181.client.attbi.com)`
`20:42.34`	`Noodleman`	`...`
`20:42.55`	`Patlabor221`	`....`
`20:42.59`	`Noodleman`	`.....`
`20:43.03`	`scanline`	`.......?`
`20:43.09`	`Noodleman`	`.........`
`20:43.14`	`Patlabor221`	`__________________!`
`20:43.22`	`Noodleman`	`................................, #!$&!#%($%!&*`
`20:43.26`	`Noodleman`	`!!`
`20:43.28`	`scanline`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:43.48`	`Patlabor221`	`
`20:43.59`	`Patlabor221`	`whooot for peer!`
`20:44.20`	`*** join/#bzflag doughecka (WOZNIAK@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net)`
`20:44.20`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
`20:44.30`	`Noodleman`	`death to the peer`
`20:44.32`	`Noodleman`	`!`
`20:44.33`	`Patlabor221`	`peer sucks!`
`20:44.44`	`scanline`	`is noodleroni.com still dead?`
`20:46.09`	`Patlabor221`	`wasn't last night`
`20:46.17`	`Patlabor221`	`but then he may be moving it still`
`20:46.26`	`scanline`	`hrm...`
`20:46.38`	`Patlabor221`	`he got the new hardware up and working.`
`20:46.47`	`Patlabor221`	`unless the curse has kicked in again.`
`20:49.43`	`*** join/#bzflag ll_ (~larsl@c213-100-62-39.swipnet.se)`
`20:49.46`	`Patlabor221`	`cap and scan, if you done with school that means you can watch the funny movies`
`20:49.47`	`*** part/#bzflag ll_ (~larsl@c213-100-62-39.swipnet.se)`
`20:50.29`	`captain_proton`	`done with school :)`
`20:50.35`	`Patlabor221`	`http://bakadigital.com/darkmoor-noshare/movie/BloodGulch`
`20:52.03`	`Noodleman`	`i was just putting in a CD-ROM drive into the new machine`
`20:52.14`	`Noodleman`	`it's up now`
`20:52.54`	`scanline`	`oh`
`20:52.56`	`scanline`	`neat`
`20:53.18`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`20:53.27`	`Noodleman`	`i just brought it back up last night`
`20:53.45`	`scanline`	`oh, that might explain some of it`
`20:54.43`	`scanline`	`yay, I'm going to make my beer proggie public now`
`20:54.47`	`scanline`	`=)`
`20:54.54`	`Patlabor221`	`cap I found something cooler then SDL_Net`
`20:55.10`	`captain_proton`	`whazzat`
`20:55.21`	`Patlabor221`	`http://enet.cubik.org/index.html`
`20:55.54`	`Patlabor221`	`relyable over UDP, clean API, supports boadcast ect...`
`20:58.17`	`Noodleman`	`i think i'm gunna start a blog too`
`20:58.35`	`Noodleman`	`to detail my exciting experiences for the world to see :-`
`20:58.37`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`20:58.52`	`Patlabor221`	`"went to store"`
`20:58.55`	`Patlabor221`	`"got a soda"`
`20:59.02`	`Noodleman`	`lol`
`20:59.05`	`Patlabor221`	`"called spamers stupid"`
`20:59.11`	`Patlabor221`	`"picked nose"`
`20:59.22`	`Noodleman`	`haha`
`20:59.31`	`Patlabor221`	`yes I like there API`
`20:59.36`	`Patlabor221`	`I am hooking it up now`
`21:02.50`	`Patlabor221`	`and it handles all it's own buffering, it's soo nice.`
`21:03.07`	`Patlabor221`	`SDL_net trys to do a sorta chanel thing with UDP`
`21:03.26`	`Noodleman`	`those spammers are so stupid it makes me spit!`
`21:03.32`	`Noodleman`	`Patlabor221: ;-)`
`21:03.37`	`Patlabor221`	`be sure to log it`
`21:03.43`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`21:03.44`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: can you send me the license from their package?`
`21:04.21`	`Patlabor221`	`heh I can just paste it, it's realy short`
`21:04.30`	`Patlabor221`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:04.31`	`Patlabor221`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:04.31`	`Patlabor221`	`Copyright (c) 2002 Lee Salzman`
`21:04.31`	`Patlabor221`	`Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining`
`21:04.31`	`Patlabor221`	`a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the`
`21:04.31`	`Patlabor221`	`"Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including`
`21:04.33`	`Patlabor221`	`without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish,`
`21:04.35`	`Patlabor221`	`distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to`
`21:04.37`	`Patlabor221`	`permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to`
`21:04.41`	`Patlabor221`	`the following conditions:`
`21:04.43`	`Patlabor221`	`The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be`
`21:04.44`	`Patlabor221`	`included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.`
`21:04.45`	`Patlabor221`	`THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND,`
`21:04.47`	`Patlabor221`	`EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF`
`21:04.49`	`Patlabor221`	`MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND`
`21:04.55`	`Patlabor221`	`NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE`
`21:04.55`	`Patlabor221`	`LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION`
`21:04.56`	`Patlabor221`	`OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION`
`21:04.58`	`Patlabor221`	`WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.`
`21:05.12`	`Patlabor221`	`seems to be the "have at it" liscense`
`21:05.41`	`captain_proton`	`ah nice, truly MIT-style`
`21:05.48`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`21:06.22`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm just puting it right in the LGENet project and just throwing there files in there too`
`21:06.44`	`scanline`	`http://picogui.org/Members/micah/obfuscated/beer`
`21:07.15`	`captain_proton`	`yay`
`21:07.19`	`Patlabor221`	`impresive`
`21:07.38`	`captain_proton`	`even more impressive is that it doesn't need a C library`
`21:07.49`	`captain_proton`	`(notice the lack of calls to printf ;)`
`21:07.52`	`Noodleman`	`is there a file on the filesystem to represent each socket in linux?`
`21:07.55`	`Noodleman`	`i would think so`
`21:07.55`	`Patlabor221`	`how does it output?`
`21:08.08`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: it calls the kernel via a software interrupt`
`21:08.14`	`Patlabor221`	`heh`
`21:08.20`	`larsl`	`Noodleman: There is somewhere in /proc.`
`21:08.24`	`*** join/#bzflag KR (~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com)`
`21:08.34`	`scanline`	`=)`
`21:08.42`	`KR`	`hi all`
`21:08.46`	`captain_proton`	`scanline's beer makes me happy`
`21:08.53`	`scanline`	`you betcha!`
`21:08.57`	`KR`	`mmm beer`
`21:08.57`	`larsl`	`Noodleman: /proc/<PID>/fd/`
`21:09.06`	`Patlabor221`	`does it give epifnays?`
`21:09.24`	`KR`	`BZ question for you who know...`
`21:09.25`	`Noodleman`	`larsl: ok, thx`
`21:09.51`	`KR`	`is it possible to install and run a modified client, without knowing about it?`
`21:10.05`	`KR`	`doesn't seem to me that you could`
`21:10.08`	`larsl`	`scanline: The beer segfaults.`
`21:10.10`	`Patlabor221`	`somone could make an installer`
`21:10.10`	`KR`	`not know`
`21:10.14`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: only when combined with fritos`
`21:10.22`	`Patlabor221`	`the nsis installer is included in CVS`
`21:10.30`	`Patlabor221`	`so they could make on that looked legit`
`21:10.30`	`captain_proton`	`larsl: what compiler/options?`
`21:10.44`	`Patlabor221`	`but they woudl have to know they got a binary from some other place`
`21:10.54`	`KR`	`hmmm - because LtD is claiming that he had no idea his client was modded`
`21:11.00`	`larsl`	`captain_proton: gcc 3.2.2, no options.`
`21:11.02`	`Patlabor221`	`LOL`
`21:11.06`	`Patlabor221`	`he's a flipin cheater`
`21:11.06`	`larsl`	`'gcc beer.c'`
`21:11.20`	`Patlabor221`	`he asked me to make him a cheat client a number of times`
`21:11.22`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`21:11.24`	`captain_proton`	`works for me`
`21:11.33`	`Patlabor221`	`I made him an "extra special" binary :)`
`21:12.00`	`Patlabor221`	`he has a number of cheat clients and knows it.`
`21:12.02`	`KR`	`grrrr`
`21:12.03`	`KR`	`little &^%&&*&`
`21:12.03`	`KR`	`lol pat :)`
`21:12.03`	`KR`	`what did u do to it?`
`21:12.19`	`Patlabor221`	`it sends out his IP, and say "ban me ban me"`
`21:12.25`	`Noodleman`	`lol`
`21:12.28`	`KR`	`LMAO`
`21:12.28`	`Noodleman`	`hahaha`
`21:12.35`	`Noodleman`	`that is good`
`21:12.37`	`Patlabor221`	`and things about his copulation habits with animals`
`21:12.37`	`KR`	`classic :)`
`21:12.42`	`larsl`	`Patlabor221: You should plant that on the filesharing networks. =)`
`21:12.44`	`Noodleman`	`i want you to send me that client`
`21:12.45`	`Patlabor221`	`and only connects to knightmare.`
`21:12.47`	`KR`	`ROTFLMAO`
`21:13.01`	`Patlabor221`	`I"ll have to find it.`
`21:13.03`	`KR`	`that rocks :)`
`21:13.25`	`Patlabor221`	`I hear he got baned from knightmare as well`
`21:13.29`	`Noodleman`	`haha`
`21:13.45`	`Noodleman`	`that IS classic :-)`
`21:13.47`	`captain_proton`	`i remember getting kicked from knightmare for using a standard client`
`21:14.07`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`21:14.09`	`KR`	`we matched his team, hes now admitting that he was using a client - should I ask Ches to take that match off?`
`21:14.11`	`KR`	`although he claims not to have known it had a speed cheat`
`21:14.26`	`captain_proton`	`KR: he knew`
`21:14.39`	`larsl`	`He doesn't know what games he's running?`
`21:14.43`	`Patlabor221`	`he's allways been a cheat`
`21:14.46`	`captain_proton`	`he came here and asked cell for his client, & Patlabor221 to make him one`
`21:14.48`	`KR`	`pat - make me a client that just kills him, no matter where or who I shoot :)`
`21:15.00`	`Patlabor221`	`heh`
`21:15.07`	`KR`	`on any server anywhere :)`
`21:15.16`	`Patlabor221`	`I am not in the habit of making cheats, as I told him a number of times.`
`21:15.36`	`KR`	`why bother - games fun enough as it is`
`21:15.48`	`KR`	`so long as no loser is cheating...`
`21:16.07`	`KR`	`captain proton - are you CapN of N N N?`
`21:16.14`	`captain_proton`	`KR: no`
`21:16.31`	`KR`	`ok - just wondered that the other day, thot I'd ask`
`21:17.07`	`Noodleman`	`capn is an idiot, captain_proton is just a curmudgeon, not an idiot :-)`
`21:17.14`	`captain_proton`	`hehe`
`21:17.17`	`KR`	`lol`
`21:17.27`	`captain_proton`	`i think this CapN is different than the one i know`
`21:17.31`	`Noodleman`	`you can tell capn i said that :-)`
`21:17.38`	`captain_proton`	`because there was one when i started playing who was very different`
`21:17.46`	`KR`	`the CapN I refer to is a good CTF player`
`21:18.00`	`KR`	`ill tell him noodle :)`
`21:18.10`	`KR`	`send him your regards :)`
`21:18.25`	`Noodleman`	`he was being a jerk all the times i was around`
`21:18.31`	`Noodleman`	`if i recall correctly`
`21:18.36`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`21:18.39`	`captain_proton`	`power outage cancelled`
`21:18.43`	`captain_proton`	`so i don't have to work tomorrow`
`21:18.45`	`Noodleman`	`maybe i was mixed up`
`21:18.49`	`KR`	`hmmm - he's always just been a general good player that I've seen`
`21:19.13`	`KR`	`never seen him be an ass or anything on CTF servers`
`21:19.40`	`KR`	`power outage cancelled? I knew you guys planned those things.. :)`
`21:20.00`	`captain_proton`	`KR: in this case it was an outage for them to install new stuff`
`21:20.20`	`captain_proton`	`and we were going to take the opportunity to rewire one of our machine rooms`
`21:20.31`	`KR`	`lol jj :) figured they would have to do something like that - would hate to work on a live 500KV line :)`
`21:20.38`	`Noodleman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:20.39`	`Noodleman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:20.39`	`Noodleman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:20.39`	`Noodleman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:20.39`	`Noodleman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:20.39`	`Noodleman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:20.41`	`Noodleman`	`...."Have you mooed today?"...`
`21:20.58`	`KR`	`moo`
`21:21.11`	`KR`	`now I have`
`21:21.24`	`Noodleman`	`i moo everyday`
`21:21.28`	`Noodleman`	`keeps me sane`
`21:21.38`	`KR`	`you sure about that? :)`
`21:21.42`	`Noodleman`	`m00`
`21:21.51`	`Patlabor221`	`so noodleman, stats is up, can I be a cop, can I, huh? can I? I'm a good banner!! I never cheat? can I? huH? PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ!? :)`
`21:22.02`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`21:22.12`	`Noodleman`	`when i get the system working right again`
`21:22.28`	`Noodleman`	`and get some accountability in the equation`
`21:22.38`	`KR`	`went to stats last night looks good - still working on it when not mooing?`
`21:22.40`	`Noodleman`	`you can`
`21:22.45`	`Patlabor221`	`I wonder if I can make BZBB not accept any posts with the word "cop" in it.`
`21:22.58`	`KR`	`LOL - I hope so`
`21:23.20`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh I don't want to be one, I just wanted to prepare you for the munchkin rush that will hapen when they all find out it's back.`
`21:23.22`	`KR`	`had some pretty "vocal" posters on there lately`
`21:23.40`	`Patlabor221`	`the "cop" baning was funny.`
`21:24.16`	`Noodleman`	`i don't recall that discussion, can you clue me in?`
`21:24.39`	`captain_proton`	`eh, nothing new`
`21:25.05`	`Patlabor221`	`"BZcop abuse (banned for no good reason)"`
`21:25.11`	`Noodleman`	`heh`
`21:25.19`	`captain_proton`	`oh wait - where is that?`
`21:25.30`	`Patlabor221`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:25.43`	`Patlabor221`	`those damned invisible cops`
`21:25.52`	`Patlabor221`	`didn't the get the noban memo?`
`21:26.18`	`captain_proton`	`sigh`
`21:26.20`	`KR`	`I'm sure the poster was not doing anything to deserve being kicked...`
`21:26.30`	`KR`	`of course not`
`21:26.33`	`Patlabor221`	`I wonder who the 2 driver tank fans are gonna get to code that sucker up.`
`21:27.01`	`larsl`	`2 driver tank?`
`21:27.05`	`KR`	`will they be allowed in the Rebel League?`
`21:27.09`	`KR`	`:)`
`21:28.47`	`KR`	`my brother is coming over - time to ice down the Elijah Craig preparatory to a little bourbon fest....`
`21:28.57`	`KR`	`nc u all later, thanks`
`21:29.13`	`KR`	`"n" :0`
`21:31.00`	`Patlabor221`	`1 driver, 1 guner`
`21:31.09`	`Patlabor221`	`been done in other games`
`21:31.22`	`captain_proton`	`thats rediculous ;)`
`21:31.35`	`Patlabor221`	`in subspace it has been know to be fun`
`21:31.43`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't know how it would work in BZ`
`21:32.01`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't think Tim would ever authorise any other vehicle types`
`21:32.10`	`Patlabor221`	`other models sure, but not difrent behavor.`
`21:32.24`	`Patlabor221`	`not in the baseline at least`
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`21:33.03`	`Patlabor221`	`noodle did you ever see the Nali Battle-Cow in UT ?`
`21:33.34`	`Noodleman`	`nope`
`21:33.44`	`Patlabor221`	`was a player model`
`21:33.57`	`Patlabor221`	`cyberneticly enhanced cow thing`
`21:33.59`	`Patlabor221`	`was funny`
`21:34.04`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`21:34.09`	`Patlabor221`	`allt he normal players had audio taunts`
`21:34.22`	`Patlabor221`	`and every so often you would hear a "moo"`
`21:34.22`	`Noodleman`	`got a link?`
`21:34.34`	`Patlabor221`	`no, it was just in the game`
`21:34.48`	`Patlabor221`	`like by epic, it was cool`
`21:34.56`	`Patlabor221`	`all ofical and stuff :)`
`21:35.08`	`Patlabor221`	`our battlecow was a wicked sniper`
`21:35.48`	`Patlabor221`	`you would hear "roger sir", "you got point", "i've got your back", "Moooooooooo"`
`21:35.51`	`Patlabor221`	`when you gave orders.`
`21:36.07`	`captain_proton`	`:)`
`21:36.25`	`Patlabor221`	`they would mount the weapons on it's back too`
`21:38.26`	`Noodleman`	`With a friend like prune juice, who needs enemas?`
`21:38.26`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/skins/gfx/week40/camonight-1.jpg`
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`21:38.48`	`Patlabor221`	`that's a bad skin tho`
`21:39.03`	`Noodleman`	`that doesn't look very funny`
`21:39.12`	`Patlabor221`	`no it dosn't`
`21:39.13`	`Noodleman`	`it's supposed to have cow spots!`
`21:39.24`	`captain_proton`	`welp, i'd better be getting my rear off to work`
`21:41.25`	`Patlabor221`	`http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/images/avatars/gallery/unreal_tournament/nalicow.gif`
`21:41.32`	`Patlabor221`	`small picture`
`21:41.44`	`Patlabor221`	`oh I added more aviars to BZBB :)`
`21:41.56`	`Patlabor221`	`there's now a chicken :)`
`21:42.15`	`Patlabor221`	`http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/images/avatars/gallery/unreal_tournament/c-i-b.gif`
`21:43.25`	`Patlabor221`	`I need to purge the BBZ avatars`
`21:43.32`	`Patlabor221`	`sorry DBZ`
`21:47.03`	`*** join/#bzflag doughecka (WOZNIAK@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net)`
`21:47.03`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
`21:48.23`	`Noodleman`	`kill the peer!!`
`21:48.37`	`Noodleman`	`(inside joke)`
`21:48.47`	`Noodleman`	`we won't let you in on it either`
`21:48.49`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`21:49.11`	`Patlabor221`	`I could take do what peer has failed to do.`
`21:49.24`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`21:49.35`	`Noodleman`	`muwahahahaha!`
`21:52.34`	`Noodleman`	`mail server got r00ted the other day`
`21:52.49`	`Noodleman`	`maybe i should log that exciting experience ;-)`
`21:52.49`	`Patlabor221`	`funny`
`21:53.05`	`Patlabor221`	`heh we got our little mini cases in :)`
`21:53.11`	`Patlabor221`	`have on that takes a normal mobo`
`21:54.43`	`Patlabor221`	`it's like a 1/2 size desktop case`
`21:56.00`	`*** join/#bzflag creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`21:56.19`	`creeperz`	`Hello`
`22:03.19`	`Noodleman`	`m00`
`22:03.30`	`creeperz`	`~moo noodleman`
`22:03.35`		`ACTION moos at noodleman`
`22:03.35`	`creeperz`	`:-/`
`22:06.03`	`Noodleman`	`ph33r d4 l33tn3zz d47 33z n00d13m44n!`
`22:06.20`	`creeperz`	`lol`
`22:07.13`	`Secret_Hamster`	`okay, l4m3 h4x0rs seem to have invaded the channel`
`22:08.14`	`*** join/#bzflag BaDiN (Paramount@81.193.7.32)`
`22:08.18`	`BaDiN`	`ol�`
`22:08.21`	`BaDiN`	`any teams to play?`
`22:08.25`	`BaDiN`	`jraitala?`
`22:08.27`	`creeperz`	`Nah`
`22:08.28`	`BaDiN`	`[dmp]?`
`22:08.31`	`BaDiN`	`Chestal?`
`22:08.37`	`BaDiN`	`anyone?`
`22:08.40`	`[dmp]`	`yes`
`22:08.43`	`BaDiN`	`dmp, lets match?`
`22:08.51`	`[dmp]`	`no teammates around, i think`
`22:08.57`	`BaDiN`	`hum`
`22:09.09`	`BaDiN`	`we'll be either @ rosemeyers or @ ducati`
`22:09.12`	`BaDiN`	`i c u there :)`
`22:16.59`	`[T\|T]`	`m00`
`22:17.04`	`[T\|T]`	`~ducati`
`22:17.08`	`[T\|T]`	`~ducatu6`
`22:17.13`	`[T\|T]`	`~ducati6`
`22:17.48`	`[TLZ]tea\|tree`	`~ducati5`
`22:25.59`	`*** join/#bzflag Noodlebot (~noodlebot@bc183148.bendcable.com)`
`22:26.04`	`Noodleman`	`~insult creeperz`
`22:26.06`	`Noodlebot`	`thou art pigeon-liver'd and lack gall, creeperz`
`22:26.09`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`22:26.13`	`creeperz`	`Heh`
`22:26.22`	`creeperz`	`You have noodlebot's script ready?`
`22:27.39`	`Noodleman`	`oh, yeah, i forgot`
`22:27.48`	`Noodleman`	`i'll put it up on noodleroni.com`
`22:27.53`	`creeperz`	`Ok`
`22:27.58`	`creeperz`	`:-) That works`
`22:28.16`	`creeperz`	`Can yu tell me how to actually get the script to run and everything?`
`22:30.19`	`Noodleman`	`maybe`
`22:30.26`	`Noodleman`	`you have to have perl installed`
`22:30.32`	`creeperz`	`I can do that`
`22:31.18`	`Noodleman`	`http://activestate.com/Products/Download/Register.plex?id=VisualPerl&a=e`
`22:31.53`	`Noodleman`	`then just modify the configuration variables in the file`
`22:31.59`	`Noodleman`	`and run it`
`22:32.04`	`creeperz`	`Ok`
`22:32.09`	`creeperz`	`Like the bot's name :-)`
`22:32.33`	`creeperz`	`"Select Liscense" Which do I do?`
`22:34.11`	`creeperz`	`Top one?`
`22:35.21`	`Noodleman`	`sure`
`22:35.29`	`creeperz`	`YIPPEE! Downloading`
`22:35.30`	`creeperz`	`;-)`
`22:35.41`	`creeperz`	`"VIRUS: DETECTED!!" :-)`
`22:36.07`	`creeperz`	`little red light`
`22:36.21`	`Patlabor221`	`you have viri?`
`22:36.23`	`Noodleman`	`there's no virus in it`
`22:36.28`	`creeperz`	`No`
`22:36.30`	`Noodleman`	`that's a known issue`
`22:36.55`	`Noodleman`	`ftp://ftp.noodleroni.com/pub/noodleroni/noodlebot.zip`
`22:37.03`	`Noodleman`	`or ftp://ftp.noodleroni.com/pub/noodleroni/noodlebot.tar.gz`
`22:37.16`	`creeperz`	`Umm, I try to install it but it gives me an error`
`22:37.20`	`creeperz`	`Ummm`
`22:37.22`	`creeperz`	`Noodleman`
`22:37.24`	`*** join/#bzflag paul__ ([ejJpanR8h@hibernia.jakma.org)`
`22:37.29`	`Patlabor221`	`pffft no bzip2 ?`
`22:37.30`	`creeperz`	`ME doesn't really like ftp://`
`22:37.42`	`Noodleman`	`why not?`
`22:37.42`	`Patlabor221`	`get an ftp client`
`22:37.49`	`creeperz`	`I have`
`22:37.52`	`Patlabor221`	`ftp kicks`
`22:38.03`	`prot-work`	`geez`
`22:38.07`	`prot-work`	`IE flipin' does ftp://`
`22:38.14`	`prot-work`	`you don't even need a separate client`
`22:38.21`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah does it fine`
`22:38.26`	`Patlabor221`	`even supports upload`
`22:38.41`	`Patlabor221`	`tho I have wsftp set to handle it in browser cus it has more features.`
`22:40.19`	`creeperz`	`Ok, the little hollow/filled box means it doesn't have that particular character, right?`
`22:40.29`	`creeperz`	`What font did you use for it?`
`22:40.49`	`Patlabor221`	`or it's a line feed with no CR`
`22:40.55`	`creeperz`	`Hmm`
`22:40.57`	`Noodleman`	`creeperz: talking to me?`
`22:40.59`	`creeperz`	`Yea`
`22:41.11`	`Patlabor221`	`open it in visual C++ it will handle line conversions`
`22:41.18`	`creeperz`	`Ok`
`22:42.07`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: I remember those UT cows`
`22:42.38`	`Noodleman`	`what font did i use for what?`
`22:42.56`	`Patlabor221`	`text files don't have fonts creeper`
`22:42.58`	`creeperz`	`Nevermind`
`22:43.00`	`Noodleman`	`ok`
`22:43.04`	`doughecka`	`great fun when I go on coop with 7 other cows`
`22:43.42`	`Noodleman`	`"bovine rebellion"`
`22:43.58`	`Patlabor221`	`noodle are you in a divx enabled location`
`22:44.00`	`Noodleman`	`Patlabor221: let's make that the first title from RifleSaber`
`22:44.06`	`creeperz`	`:-)`
`22:44.09`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`22:44.10`	`Patlabor221`	`cowmandos?`
`22:44.11`	`Noodleman`	`Patlabor221: no i'm not`
`22:44.33`	`Patlabor221`	`sigh`
`22:44.43`	`doughecka`	`ha`
`22:44.53`	`Noodleman`	`yes, cowmandos :-)`
`22:45.04`	`doughecka`	`exept they had 2 legs`
`22:45.11`	`doughecka`	`I wanted 4 legged cows`
`22:45.15`	`doughecka`	`with guns`
`22:45.23`	`creeperz`	`Hoodleman: What's the URL to the correct download?`
`22:45.29`	`Noodleman`	`let's implement the cow launcher`
`22:45.30`	`creeperz`	`Cows with guns`
`22:45.43`	`Noodleman`	`which correct download?`
`22:45.49`	`creeperz`	`For PERL`
`22:45.52`	`doughecka`	`theres cow tipping`
`22:46.02`	`Noodleman`	`didn't you download it?`
`22:46.19`	`creeperz`	`Umm, I don't think I did it correctly`
`22:46.28`	`Noodleman`	`what happens?`
`22:46.37`	`Noodleman`	`when you install it?`
`22:46.40`	`creeperz`	`I try to install and it won't`
`22:46.53`	`Noodleman`	`he's obsessed with ebooks and zauruses`
`22:47.02`	`Noodleman`	`what error do you get?`
`22:47.06`	`Patlabor221`	`can I ban him?`
`22:47.08`	`Noodleman`	`give my some info`
`22:47.09`	`creeperz`	`I know about ebooks...`
`22:47.09`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`22:47.30`	`creeperz`	`It says I need something and tells me to re-install it`
`22:47.39`	`Noodleman`	`what does it need?`
`22:47.47`	`doughecka`	`did you read the error?`
`22:47.51`	`Noodleman`	`give me some info here`
`22:47.53`	`creeperz`	`I did`
`22:48.04`	`creeperz`	`But I just deleted what I just installed`
`22:48.14`	`creeperz`	`Noodleman, don't you have the installer anymore?`
`22:48.24`	`Noodleman`	`the installer for perl?`
`22:48.31`	`Noodleman`	`no`
`22:48.36`	`creeperz`	`Hmm`
`22:48.42`	`creeperz`	`What was the URL again? :-)`
`22:48.46`	`Noodleman`	`http://activestate.com/Products/Download/Register.plex?id=VisualPerl&a=e is the correct url`
`22:48.48`	`*** join/#bzflag [T\|T] (~[TeA\|TrEE@pD9E97210.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`22:49.56`	`creeperz`	`Ok, it gives me a choice of 2 downloads`
`22:50.04`	`creeperz`	`Visual Perl 1.8 Windows MSI (VS.NET 2002) 6.6MB`
`22:50.06`	`creeperz`	`Windows MSI (VS.NET 2003) 7.7MB`
`22:50.06`	`creeperz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:50.16`	`Patlabor221`	`MSI bloes`
`22:50.44`	`Patlabor221`	`his ME may not have the MSI engine.`
`22:50.54`	`doughecka`	`get the bigger one`
`22:50.56`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`22:51.06`	`creeperz`	`Heh`
`22:51.11`	`Patlabor221`	`those look like they are dev kits for .net perl`
`22:51.20`	`Patlabor221`	`does he need that just to run it?`
`22:51.23`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`22:52.10`	`Patlabor221`	`wow I see why python is much cooler.`
`22:52.31`	`doughecka`	`heh`
`22:52.45`	`Noodleman`	`i gave him the wrong link to the wrong perl`
`22:52.53`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`22:53.07`	`Noodleman`	`i think`
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`22:53.28`	`doughecka`	`there for I think`
`22:53.32`	`[T\|T]_`	`ohb`
`22:53.34`	`creeperz`	`Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003 (7.1) wasn't found. Please install it first before installing Visual PERL`
`22:53.36`	`creeperz`	`.*`
`22:53.43`	`Patlabor221`	`you don't have .net`
`22:53.57`	`creeperz`	`Waz tha?`
`22:54.04`	`Noodleman`	`http://www.activestate.com/Products/Download/Register.plex?id=ActivePerl`
`22:54.09`	`Noodleman`	`^^ the right one`
`22:54.15`	`Noodleman`	`try that`
`22:54.22`	`creeperz`	`Heh`
`22:54.25`	`creeperz`	`OK!`
`22:54.26`	`creeperz`	`:-)\`
`22:54.47`	`Noodleman`	`the first one in the list`
`22:56.12`	`Noodleman`	`smaller file sizes?`
`22:56.15`	`Noodleman`	`i dunno`
`22:56.21`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`22:56.21`	`doughecka`	`becuase its easyer to install MSI on hundreds of computers than to install them one at a time`
`22:56.34`	`creeperz`	`:-)`
`22:56.36`	`doughecka`	`even though XP fixed that`
`22:56.39`	`Patlabor221`	`cus we use MSI and it blows`
`22:56.49`	`creeperz`	`XP SUCK! :'(`
`22:56.52`	`Patlabor221`	`doug, it's harder when it dosn't FREAKIN work`
`22:56.54`	`creeperz`	`:-)`
`22:56.55`	`Noodleman`	`anything to do with microsoft blows :-)`
`22:56.57`	`doughecka`	`hah`
`22:56.58`	`Patlabor221`	`Xp does not suck`
`22:57.00`	`doughecka`	`I know why....`
`22:57.04`	`creeperz`	`I know ;-)`
`22:57.08`	`doughecka`	`microsoft wanted there own installer`
`22:57.23`	`creeperz`	`It's just better than my crappy OS so I'm gealous`
`22:57.29`	`Noodleman`	`no, xp i concede, does not suck`
`22:57.32`	`creeperz`	`MS sucks!`
`22:57.37`	`Patlabor221`	`you are made of Gell?`
`22:57.43`	`creeperz`	`Yup`
`22:57.49`	`Patlabor221`	`freak`
`22:57.55`	`doughecka`	`slackware sucks if MS sucks :P`
`22:57.57`	`Noodleman`	`although, it doesn't run on older machines`
`22:58.04`	`Noodleman`	`so, yes, XP SUCKS!`
`22:58.07`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`22:58.19`	`Patlabor221`	`I installed XP on a 486 with a P80 ODP just fine.`
`22:58.26`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: how much ram?`
`22:58.31`	`Patlabor221`	`64 megs`
`22:58.34`	`Noodleman`	`i was just gunna ask that`
`22:58.38`	`Noodleman`	`that is unreal`
`22:58.39`	`creeperz`	`Well....it's stupid then! :-)`
`22:58.41`	`doughecka`	`ah, the minimum amount of ram`
`22:58.43`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`22:58.46`	`Noodleman`	`i don't believe you`
`22:58.47`	`doughecka`	`so it was soooo slow`
`22:58.59`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy I turned off a bunch of stuff`
`22:59.04`	`doughecka`	`XP with 64 megs of ram on a 1ghz puter is slow`
`22:59.06`	`Patlabor221`	`slaped a TNT2 in there and it was fine.`
`22:59.09`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`22:59.18`	`Patlabor221`	`ran BZ on it.`
`22:59.58`	`creeperz`	`The only thing I feel like slapping into my computer is a screwdrive at 30 MPH`
`23:00.34`	`prot-work`	`ok i go now`
`23:00.44`	`Noodleman`	`you probably had to turn off themes and all the neat eye candy`
`23:00.51`	`creeperz`	`Heh`
`23:00.59`	`Noodleman`	`Patlabor221: didja?`
`23:01.28`	`creeperz`	`So...uhhh, the status bar isn't moving, should I click Cancel?`
`23:01.37`	`Noodleman`	`nope`
`23:01.41`	`Noodleman`	`just let it go`
`23:01.48`	`creeperz`	`"Generating HTML documentation, please wait."`
`23:01.56`	`Patlabor221`	`you can't turn "off" themes`
`23:01.58`	`Noodleman`	`that takes a bit of time`
`23:02.06`	`Noodleman`	`you can kill the theme service`
`23:02.06`	`Patlabor221`	`I went to a less intensive theme tho`
`23:02.10`	`creeperz`	`For it to generate HTML docs?`
`23:02.29`	`Noodleman`	`at least in server 2003 there is a theme service`
`23:02.38`	`Patlabor221`	`that's just the theme browser, the OS core services still draw them all the same way`
`23:02.48`	`Patlabor221`	`just sqare regons are faster.`
`23:03.14`	`Noodleman`	`no, not the themes control panel, i mean the theme service in the services control panel`
`23:03.23`	`creeperz`	`Dang, man! We had some rain up the ying-yang here!`
`23:03.25`	`doughecka`	`heh`
`23:03.28`	`Noodleman`	`like the ftp service or the mouse service`
`23:03.33`	`creeperz`	`121 new emails :-/`
`23:03.42`	`doughecka`	`I would like my mouse servived`
`23:03.45`	`doughecka`	`serviced`
`23:03.53`	`Noodleman`	`creeperz: want a spam-free email address?`
`23:03.56`	`Patlabor221`	`noodle that is just the backend service for the theme picker`
`23:03.57`	`doughecka`	`mouse deamon sounds better`
`23:04.06`	`creeperz`	`Ummm, sure...I guess`
`23:04.14`	`creeperz`	`How much space and how much?`
`23:04.23`	`creeperz`	`Money*`
`23:04.26`	`Noodleman`	`20 gigs and free`
`23:04.29`	`Patlabor221`	`the "visual styles API services" that let other componenets set the window widgets`
`23:04.37`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`23:04.39`	`creeperz`	`Mouth: Opened`
`23:04.46`	`Noodleman`	`no ads`
`23:04.54`	`creeperz`	`That's more than my Hotmail and for $5`
`23:05.05`	`Noodleman`	`web-based, imap, or pop3`
`23:05.37`	`Noodleman`	`interested?`
`23:05.46`	`doughecka`	`ooh, imap?`
`23:05.48`	`creeperz`	`Ummm, sure...I guess`
`23:05.49`	`Noodleman`	`yup`
`23:05.57`	`doughecka`	`later though :)`
`23:06.01`	`creeperz`	`Me too`
`23:06.06`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabotbot (~noodlebot@208.48.199.214)`
`23:06.33`	`doughecka`	`labotbot?`
`23:06.36`	`doughecka`	`~insult me`
`23:06.46`	`Noodleman`	`~insult ibot`
`23:06.47`		`go stick ibot's head in a pig, noodleman.`
`23:06.47`	`Patlabotbot`	`hast thou never an eye in thine head, ibot?`
`23:06.47`	`Noodlebot`	`i never knew so young a body with so old a head, ibot.`
`23:07.11`	`doughecka`	`how come it ignores me?`
`23:07.17`	`Noodleman`	`i don't know why it ignores you`
`23:07.19`	`creeperz`	`This will be fun when MrBot get's here`
`23:07.49`	`doughecka`	`fix it then :P`
`23:07.52`	`creeperz`	`Ok, I have to restart for the PERL thing to take effect, right?`
`23:08.00`	`Noodleman`	`i don't knwo`
`23:08.04`	`Noodleman`	`i will say`
`23:08.07`	`doughecka`	`my own bot even ignores me`
`23:08.36`	`Patlabor221`	`bwwaha`
`23:08.38`	`Noodleman`	`maybe it doesn't like trillian`
`23:08.43`	`doughecka`	`uh huh`
`23:08.47`	`doughecka`	`worked before`
`23:08.49`	`Patlabor221`	`well it works on windows`
`23:09.09`	`Patlabor221`	`I didn't have to restart`
`23:09.13`	`Patlabor221`	`just edit the bot code`
`23:09.15`	`creeperz`	`Ok, I have it edited to my will`
`23:09.19`	`creeperz`	`How do I run it?`
`23:09.30`	`Patlabor221`	`double cick the pl file`
`23:09.31`	`Patlabor221`	`file`
`23:09.47`	`creeperz`	`Open With... is what you're looking for?`
`23:10.06`	`Patlabor221`	`did you tell the perl instaler to regiser the perl extension?`
`23:10.14`	`Patlabor221`	`and did you get the zip or the .msi file?`
`23:10.16`	`creeperz`	`Don't know`
`23:10.22`	`creeperz`	`I never read installers`
`23:10.28`	`Patlabor221`	`what did you download?`
`23:10.35`	`Patlabor221`	`ActivePerl-5.6.1.635-MSWin32-x86.msi ?`
`23:11.03`	`creeperz`	`Yesa`
`23:11.14`	`Patlabor221`	`did you right click on it an hit "install" ?`
`23:11.20`	`Patlabor221`	`and run thu the installer?`
`23:11.31`	`Patlabor221`	`and agree to the liscense and stuff?`
`23:11.36`	`creeperz`	`Yesa`
`23:11.51`	`creeperz`	`Should I reinstall?`
`23:12.10`	`Patlabor221`	`if you right click on the pl file what options do you have?`
`23:12.17`	`*** join/#bzflag creebot (~noodlebot@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`23:12.20`	`creeperz`	`YES!`
`23:12.21`	`Patlabor221`	`there ya go`
`23:12.30`	`creeperz`	`;-)`
`23:12.32`	`Patlabor221`	`play with it in a private chanel tho`
`23:12.40`	`doughecka`	`~insult me`
`23:13.06`	`Patlabor221`	`you sir are a cockbite.`
`23:13.35`	`creeperz`	`Lol`
`23:13.39`	`Patlabor221`	`cus it looged out dumpass`
`23:13.49`	`doughecka`	`the other bots didnt`
`23:14.01`	`Patlabor221`	`only noodlebot is here`
`23:14.04`	`creeperz`	`They're all retarded!`
`23:14.12`	`Patlabor221`	`creeper would know.`
`23:14.23`	`*** join/#bzflag creebot (~noodlebot@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`23:14.23`	`Patlabor221`	`~insult doug`
`23:14.24`	`Noodlebot`	`doug, thou loathed issue of thy father's loins!`
`23:14.25`	`creebot`	`doug, thou loathed issue of thy father's loins!`
`23:14.27`	`doughecka`	`he related`
`23:14.33`	`Patlabor221`	`in another channel creeper.`
`23:15.40`	`doughecka`	`#creeperz`
`23:15.43`	`creeperz`	`~insult Patlabor221`
`23:15.53`	`creeperz`	`#noodlebot`
`23:16.07`	`Patlabor221`	`don't care, where just not here.`
`23:16.22`	`Noodleman`	`~creebot`
`23:16.23`	`creebot`	`a Noodlebot, written by Noodleman`
`23:16.23`	`creebot`	`check out #noodlebot on irc.freenode.net!`
`23:16.34`	`creeperz`	`Umm`
`23:16.42`	`doughecka`	`~noodlebot`
`23:16.46`	`doughecka`	`huh, see?`
`23:16.56`	`creeperz`	`~patlabotbot`
`23:17.15`	`Patlabor221`	`I shut it down`
`23:17.23`	`creeperz`	`Ahh`
`23:17.23`	`bzdoug`	`~noodlebot`
`23:17.27`	`creeperz`	`WHY?!!!!!!`
`23:17.27`	`bzdoug`	`huh, dunno`
`23:17.31`	`creeperz`	`WHY?!!!!!!`
`23:17.33`	`creeperz`	`:-)`
`23:17.41`	`creeperz`	`creebot is my buddy`
`23:18.09`	`Patlabor221`	`well then go play with him in your bot channel and get him outa here, we don't need double noodle responces`
`23:18.13`	`creeperz`	`Ibot is too, and Noodlebot, and Patlabotbot`
`23:18.13`		`parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, creeperz`
`23:18.40`	`creeperz`	`LOL!`
`23:18.55`	`*** join/#bzflag Skipp (~Skipp@dialup-67.26.49.10.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net)`
`23:19.12`	`Skipp`	`any admins on`
`23:19.19`	`Skipp`	`we have a team killer at ducati`
`23:19.19`	`bzdoug`	`nope`
`23:19.21`	`creeperz`	`For xmission?`
`23:19.24`	`creeperz`	`Oh`
`23:19.25`	`bzdoug`	`only uss chickens`
`23:19.25`	`creeperz`	`:-/`
`23:19.33`	`creeperz`	`Heh`
`23:19.42`	`Patlabor221`	`creeper you are an admin you can take care of it.`
`23:19.48`	`creeperz`	`Ok`
`23:19.53`	`creeperz`	`What port?`
`23:20.24`	`Skipp`	`he left`
`23:20.28`	`creeperz`	`Oh`
`23:20.32`	`Skipp`	`just did`
`23:20.35`	`creeperz`	`What was his name?`
`23:20.42`	`Skipp`	`vaginal blood fart`
`23:20.49`	`Patlabor221`	`ewwww`
`23:20.54`	`creeperz`	`MAN!`
`23:20.55`	`Skipp`	`a creep`
`23:20.56`	`Patlabor221`	`that is nasty`
`23:21.05`	`bzdoug`	`the worse kind`
`23:21.11`	`creeperz`	`Skipp: Watch who you're talking about, here ;-)`
`23:21.12`	`Skipp`	`called everyone team killers`
`23:21.19`	`Skipp`	`u asked :)`
`23:21.24`	`creeperz`	`Heh`
`23:21.36`	`creeperz`	`YEa`
`23:21.42`	`creeperz`	`I bet I know who he i, too`
`23:21.59`	`creeperz`	`His old nick was "Pussy Galore"`
`23:22.01`	`*** part/#bzflag creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`23:22.05`	`*** join/#bzflag creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`23:22.14`	`creeperz`	`Cool`
`23:22.17`	`Skipp`	`well i have 2 go`
`23:22.18`	`Skipp`	`cya`
`23:22.21`	`*** part/#bzflag Skipp (~Skipp@dialup-67.26.49.10.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net)`
`23:22.23`	`creeperz`	`It DOES show when a person logs out`
`23:22.24`	`Patlabor221`	`bye`
`23:22.26`	`creeperz`	`Bye`
`23:22.43`	`Patlabor221`	`test it in another channel`
`23:23.13`	`creeperz`	`I like to play with my bot`
`23:23.21`	`Patlabor221`	`fine, just don't do it here.`
`23:23.44`	`Patlabor221`	`this is not #botFondling`
`23:23.45`	`creeperz`	`Umm`
`23:24.16`	`creeperz`	`How do I get his nick registered and my bot to actually log itself in?`
`23:24.29`	`Patlabor221`	`it's all cool that you want to learn about perl and bots and stuff, just don't cluter this chanell with it`
`23:24.46`	`creeperz`	`Umm, I really haven't`
`23:24.58`	`captain_proton`	`/msg nickserv help`
`23:25.01`	`Patlabor221`	`you register the nic and then edit the code to make it /identify`
`23:25.02`	`creeperz`	`Heh, doug was more than me ;-)`
`23:25.10`	`creeperz`	`Ok`
`23:25.12`	`Patlabor221`	`yes and I want to ban him too.`
`23:25.27`	`creeperz`	`Itchy keyboard finger?`
`23:25.27`	`captain_proton`	`creeperz: just because one person was misbehaving doesn't make it ok for either one of you`
`23:25.48`	`creeperz`	`cap: I've told my bot to do 1 insult`
`23:25.49`	`Patlabor221`	`and I know what you are capable of having the bot degnerate into :)`
`23:25.57`	`Patlabor221`	`it's cool that noodlebot works tho :)`
`23:26.23`	`creeperz`	`Ouch`
`23:26.35`	`captain_proton`	`creeperz: just move it to a different channel, ok?`
`23:26.51`	`creeperz`	`So...I can't have my bot in here?`
`23:26.59`	`Patlabor221`	`cus there is no need`
`23:27.09`	`Patlabor221`	`and it will double reply with noodlebot`
`23:27.16`	`captain_proton`	`creeperz: what does having it here add to the channel?`
`23:27.34`	`Patlabor221`	`that noodlebot or ibot dosnt' allready do?`
`23:27.40`	`Noodleman`	`i don't care if you have it in #noodlebot`
`23:27.48`	`bzdoug`	`more noise`
`23:31.51`	`rbergero`	`S/N ratio is already low :(`
`23:31.56`	`Noodleman`	`i always had a hunch Pat was a bot`
`23:32.18`	`ScreamerBOT`	`bah nickserv isnt registering`
`23:33.11`	`Noodleman`	`somebody registered Noodlebot before i could`
`23:33.30`	`Patlabor221`	`they expire in like 45 days`
`23:37.40`	`Patlabor221`	`creeper if you come to #noodlebot I think I got it so that it will identify`
`23:37.59`	`creeperz`	`Hmm`
`23:38.11`	`creeperz`	`I'm editing things now`
`23:38.30`	`creeperz`	`Hmm`
`23:39.07`	`creeperz`	`If I put for instance the word I've in the PERL script, I would have to make it i'/ve ?`
`23:39.18`	`*** join/#bzflag Noodlebot (~noodlebot@216.228.183.148)`
`23:39.29`	`Patlabor221`	`come to #noodlebot and show us your code.`

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